From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 292943800008B; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbAsR-0007fN-Vh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:29:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbAsR-0007fE-IK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:29:51 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbAsP-0001Rf-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:29:50 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.198]) by mwinf5d15 with ME id HpVo1j0054GZQLJ03pVopg; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:29:49 +0200 Message-ID: <9A8E94DF47AD4F878771C75FBE4D403C@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <5804C62C151B4755A82A3AA96D1B3749@JimPC> <001b01cd4170$2c0b19c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001b01cd4170$2c0b19c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:29:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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[...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE X-Scan-Signature: c9d6a1e47761f7ec7375ac340bef30d0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435283904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b4fcb6719581e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Well yes , but think of the advantages Mal .. Cloud storage, cross posting , hyper text linking , search engines , meta-data tagging , key word searching .... You could achieve immortality with the 'Thoughts of Chair-person Mal' spread across the known world and beyond.. Actually , not totally convinced that's a good thing for the image , may be flash emails are more suited ? G : )) -------------------------------------------------- From: "mal hamilton" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:03 AM To: Subject: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep > Jim > They all went to Yahoo like a Flock of Sheep with no advantage for the > majority. Blacksheep reflector in conjunction with Dropbox for large > atachments has worked very well. > > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:28 AM > Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep > > >> Dear John, LF Groups >> >> --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "John" wrote: >> > >> > Am I right in thinking that most people have transitioned to the new > group >> > here, and that I can ask the sysop to delete the remaining addresses on >> > the list? >> >> At the moment, there are two RSGB LF Groups, with postings that overlap > but >> are not the same. This is a confusing situation leaving you wondering > which >> group to send replies to, etc. So I think one or the other needs to be >> deleted, I guess you have to delete the one that will upset the fewest >> people... >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1A89C38000088; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfrsx-00066E-IQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:13:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfrsw-000665-Vr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:13:46 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfrsu-0001nZ-Mi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:13:45 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d64 with ME id P0Dj1j00C4U6hVe030DjfG; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:13:44 +0200 Message-ID: <41BE479FDCA34849AB39CA9730517400@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> <1339767393.38173.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <6127C0D605D3463B803A5D57D87FEC56@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:13:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Geri The Opera mode , transmits only a single on/off carrier , the same as CW or QRS, the TX is a serial data stream. Tx can be via the windows based software ., with com-port CW drive , Audio as in say psk31 etc or by SDR [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: d4b11820086e28e9e085cef3e7768d06 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4BC1.DADBC660" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:414443072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fdc78b16bee X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4BC1.DADBC660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geri The Opera mode , transmits only a single on/off carrier , the = same as CW or QRS, the TX is a serial data stream. Tx can be via the windows based software ., with com-port CW = drive , Audio as in say psk31 etc or by SDR =20 PIC code is available to enable a PIC based keying system , = the PIC would be Beacon - only , the software also has the QSO = mode , where 'any' 15 chrs can be sent at each tx =20 RX , is 'only' possible using the windows software , and can be = audio from soundcard , or by SDR=20 The RX , has 2 audio bands , one for each mode , each 200 = Hz wide , multi / simultaneous decodes are possible in each mode = , within the 200 Hz pass band=20 QSO 1200 / 1600 Hz Becn 1600 / 1800 Hz=20 So , for VFO control of the TX , then the carrier must be = placed to fall inside the required pass band , as the system uses = 'usb''dial' as the definition of the 'qrg' then for beacon = mode , 1601 to 1799 Hz would need to be added (better not at the = band edges for tolerance may drop signal out the pass band) , = normally say 1700 Hz would place you in the centre of the pass = band=20 If the Audio drive from the software is used , then the carrier = frequency will be placed inside the relative pass band , by = checking for the best s/n 'spot' , this is completed by the Rx = routine , prior to Tx and takes a snap-shot , main function to reduce = collisions and avoid carriers etc=20 So .......... If used by VFO , then the system is sopt frequency = , 2.5 Hz b/w . ............If the carrier placement / audio tx drive is used, = then the maximum allocated B/W needed is 200 Hz for each = mode , with maximum Tx qrg of + 1800 Hz from the dial-set - = usb =20 73 -G. From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:44 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? What are the actual frequencies that are then occupied by OPERA? As long = as it is guaranteed that it's all below 2000 Hz above the dial = frequency, 477 sounds like a good plan as a start.=20 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Up to now , 477 is the only frequency on offer ? G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? I'd go with that Albert. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Albert To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4BC1.DADBC660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Geri
 
The  Opera  mode  ,  transmits  only  = a =20 single  on/off   carrier  , the  same as  = CW =20 or  QRS,   the  TX is a  serial  = data =20 stream.
 
Tx  can  be  via the  windows  based = software .,=20 with  com-port  CW   drive , Audio  as in  = say  psk31 etc   or  by  SDR  
 
PIC  code  is  available to  enable   = a =20 PIC based   keying  system  , the  PIC = would =20 be  Beacon - only  , the  software  also  has = the =20 QSO  mode , where  'any'  15 chrs   can be = sent =20 at  each  tx 
 
RX  , is  'only' possible  using  the  = windows=20 software  , and can  be   audio  = from  =20 soundcard , or by  SDR
 
The   RX , has   2   audio  = bands =20 , one  for  each  mode  , each  200  Hz = wide =20 ,  multi / simultaneous   decodes  are  = possible =20 in each  mode , within the  200 Hz  pass  band =
 
QSO    1200 / 1600  Hz
Becn    1600 / 1800  Hz
 
So  , for  VFO  control  of the  TX , = then =20 the  carrier  must  be  placed  to  = fall =20 inside the  required pass  band  , as the system  = uses =20 'usb''dial'  as the  definition  of the  = 'qrg'  =20 then   for  beacon   mode  ,   = 1601 to=20 1799  Hz would need  to  be added (better not at the band = edges=20 for tolerance may  drop signal  out the  pass = band) ,=20 normally    say  1700 Hz would  place  you = in=20 the  centre of the  pass  band
 
If the  Audio  drive  from the  software  = is =20 used , then the  carrier  frequency  will  be =20 placed  inside the  relative pass  band  , by =20 checking  for the  best s/n  'spot'  , this  is = completed by the  Rx routine , prior to  Tx and takes a =20 snap-shot , main function  to reduce collisions and  avoid = carriers=20 etc
 
So .......... If  used   by  VFO , then  = the =20 system  is  sopt frequency  , 2.5 Hz  b/w .
 
............If  the  carrier  placement  / = audio =20 tx drive  is  used, then  the  maximum allocated=20    B/W needed   is   200 Hz  for  = each =20 mode  , with   maximum   Tx  qrg =20 of   + 1800  Hz  from  the  dial-set - = usb =20
 
 
73 -G.

From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW =
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:44 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

What are the actual frequencies that = are then=20 occupied by OPERA? As long as it is guaranteed that it's all below 2000 = Hz above=20 the dial frequency, 477 sounds like a good plan as a start. =
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 1:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera = QRG for=20 472 Khz Band ??

Up to now , 477 is the  only  frequency   on = offer=20 ?
 
G.

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

I'd go with that Albert.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Albert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, 15 = June 2012,=20 10:54
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

G,

Just = to start=20 the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz.

73,=20 = Albert





------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4BC1.DADBC660-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C093D380000B0; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiSOm-0001yv-8c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:37:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiSOl-0001ym-IW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:37:19 +0100 Received: from smtp-out11.han.skanova.net ([195.67.226.200]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiSOj-0006MS-Nm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:37:18 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.37] (217.211.186.120) by smtp-out11.han.skanova.net (8.5.133) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4FA80EAF0104A088 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:37:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE5E2B1.90704@telia.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:37:21 +0200 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4E6E0AD4.4838.465714@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <1315833746.18312.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Daniele, you may get some inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier design. http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-active-sm-loop-antenna.htm [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [195.67.226.200 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 4ad5f3f1a9241b934aaa5d0e23c9dc57 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493831776:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d94fe5e2eb155c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Daniele, you may get some inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier design. http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-active-sm-loop-antenna.htm 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Daniele Tincani wrote: > so what I would appreciate some suggestions about > is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in > air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1D9D63800009A; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Se3CQ-0005zv-P9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:54:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Se3CQ-0005zm-6s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:54:22 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Se3CO-0003Ss-C7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:54:21 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5BBsJs2004926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:54:19 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5BBsI6L004372 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:54:18 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD5DC0A.6040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:52:42 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <169445B98101449D93BF2125A7343EF1@lindavideo> In-Reply-To: <169445B98101449D93BF2125A7343EF1@lindavideo> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Ken, Recently i have discovered a very nice to read paper in the web. Current mode class D PAs are described. The basics are well explained as well as how to calculate the power from the supply voltage (ideal and real). I think this is a good choice for a class D PA on 137 and 500 kHz... Hope this helps a bit. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c95b9a52470b89d54f2ef38e923e05cb Subject: Re: LF: Class d & E PAs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080701060907070204030804" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:493809408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4fd5dcbb6f78 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080701060907070204030804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Ken, Recently i have discovered a very nice to read paper in the web. Current mode class D PAs are described. The basics are well explained as well as how to calculate the power from the supply voltage (ideal and real). I think this is a good choice for a class D PA on 137 and 500 kHz... Hope this helps a bit. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: http://sigma.ucsd.edu/research/articles/2001/2001_2.pdf PPS: A class E PA is a nice circuit but needs a very accurate SWR and construction can be a bit tricky. However i built one for 1 kW on 137 kHz at 80 VDC with 96% efficiency by using a single IRFP360... Am 10.06.2012 22:28, schrieb Ken: > > Dear All. > > Thank you for your help on the DECCA info, so far I have not tried a > Class D or E PA , my 500kHz TX having a power MOSFET in pseudso Class > C, with Class D & E how is the PA output impedance calculated, for the > output transformer, would it be permitted to use either a Pi or L-C_L > (as I have done) to match the PA to the variometer and loading coil? . > > 73s > > Ken > > M0KHW > --------------080701060907070204030804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Ken,

Recently i have discovered a very nice to read paper in the web. Current mode class D PAs are described. The basics are well explained as well as how to calculate the power from the supply voltage (ideal and real). I think this is a good choice for a class D PA on 137 and 500 kHz...
Hope this helps a bit.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: http://sigma.ucsd.edu/research/articles/2001/2001_2.pdf
PPS: A class E PA is a nice circuit but needs a very accurate SWR and construction can be a bit tricky. However i built one for 1 kW on 137 kHz  at 80 VDC with 96% efficiency by using a single IRFP360...

Am 10.06.2012 22:28, schrieb Ken:

Dear All.

Thank you for your help on the DECCA info, so far I have not tried a Class D or E PA , my 500kHz TX having a power MOSFET in pseudso Class C, with Class D & E how is the PA output impedance calculated, for the output transformer, would it be permitted to use either a Pi or L-C_L (as I have done) to match the PA to the variometer and loading coil? .

 

73s

 

Ken

 

M0KHW

--------------080701060907070204030804-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6405C380000A5; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh8dB-0007iv-UQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:18:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh8dB-0007im-EU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:18:45 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh8d9-0007PW-MZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:18:44 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.187]) by mwinf5d03 with ME id QQJi1j00242DYwa03QJize; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:18:42 +0200 Message-ID: <9B4CD307888B409EAFAA6B44319D82F9@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <001301cd4e5b$49a430a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE10D99.2030003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE10D99.2030003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:18:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: I think lots of people would like a G3kev BBQ , : )) A real Ae ? simply defined by the qth you have , at gb4fpr we used a 700 ft wire over salt water , with 600 ft delta counterpoise , I use a 40 ft vertical with wire top section in a 40 x 20 ft garden , Gary has a similar array with a umbrella top capacity hat , but in all back-plot Ae's the earth is more important than the wire above the ground [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4998b3eda037fec4e885bebc9a2db934 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0161_01CD4E82.A1298420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:428950144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fe1170e2709 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0161_01CD4E82.A1298420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think lots of people would like a G3kev BBQ , : )) A real Ae ? simply defined by the qth you have , at gb4fpr = we used a 700 ft wire over salt water , with 600 ft delta = counterpoise , I use a 40 ft vertical with wire top section in = a 40 x 20 ft garden , Gary has a similar array with a umbrella = top capacity hat , but in all back-plot Ae's the earth is more = important than the wire above the ground =20 G. =20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:39 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW.=20 HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is = what they sleep on as a bed. ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left = with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus = other things. Move to the countryside for quality of life Oh is this an invitation? :-) All the reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would have = enough area for us all. Which day do you suggest. And please can we get a tutorial how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, = i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-) de dk7fc for example at a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in the = city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe the tail In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ tripe, black sausage = and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be = prepared!! Meanwhile back to MF es LF, I am now CQ on 502 but search the band = and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0161_01CD4E82.A1298420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think lots of  people  would  like  a =20 G3kev  BBQ , : ))
 
A real  Ae  ?  simply   defined  by = the =20 qth  you  have  , at  gb4fpr  we  = used =20 a  700  ft  wire  over  salt  water  = ,=20 with  600 ft  delta  counterpoise ,  I use  = a =20 40  ft  vertical with   wire  top  section = in=20 a   40 x  20 ft  garden , Gary has a similar = array =20 with a  umbrella  top  capacity hat , but  in = all =20 back-plot Ae's  the  earth is more  important  than=20 the  wire  above the  ground 
 
G.  

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034


Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
Stefan
You city folks are getting confused between = HAY and=20 STRAW.
HAY is what animals EAT,  mostly cattle, = sheep and=20 Horses STRAW is what they sleep on as a bed.
ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this = is what=20 you are left with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for = example=20 plus other things.

Move to the countryside for = quality of=20 life
Oh is this an invitation? :-)
All the = reflector=20 members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would have enough area for = us all.=20 Which day do you suggest.

And please can we get a tutorial how to = build a=20 real LF/MF/VLF system, i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-)

de=20 dk7fc


for example at a BBQ country = folks roast a=20 whole steer whereas in the city/town you have to settle for a sausage = and=20 maybe the tail
In Liverpool they are very particular and = BBQ =20 tripe, black sausage and pig squeal. Graham will have more = details, if=20 you go there be prepared!!
Meanwhile back to MF es LF,  I am now CQ = on 502 but=20 search the band and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz = spectrum
 
de g3kev
 
 

------=_NextPart_000_0161_01CD4E82.A1298420-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 366E238000095; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 02:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sk8Jq-00048v-TQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:35:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sk8Jq-00048m-33 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:35:10 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sk8Jo-0007XB-KR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:35:08 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: E2A391280DC.A0FF6 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A391280DC for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:35:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFF9220041 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:35:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::a470:76b3:406d:2b1a%27]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:35:04 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Thread-Index: AQHNVLVvT1lBO+I1rUqNFPjXeBH7jZcPRkhY Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:35:04 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.13] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1ICTSSMBX5lunaku_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:352825696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4febfb747e35 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a sche= matic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If someone= is interested i may convert the ci= rcuit from my mind into a s= chematic as a png file.

 

Always interested ;-)

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T<= a>

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Content preview: R..Chris Yes , data immortality is part of the internet 'concept' as the libel cases show, its very difficult to erase any posting , once they have been archived in un-controlled areas of the web ... if I type g0nbd into Google I get About 8,190 results ..eek [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 21e2055b299bd63ed331c37c8a3e15ca Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=GET_STARTED_NOW, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:462941696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fcb8f750e3c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none R..Chris Yes , data immortality is part of the internet 'concept' as the libel cases show, its very difficult to erase any posting , once they have been archived in un-controlled areas of the web ... if I type g0nbd into Google I get About 8,190 results ..eek The road to hell is paved with good intent ... problem is the technology is part of the hobby , so the battles of valves V transistors , cw V data , and now we have ftp V html ....all have there respective camps , Now if it where a interest group for say Steam Traction engines, then the html would win the day and very soon be filled with pictures of 'things' making steam ... Classic case of .... 'if its not broken , don't try and fix it' or Alligators and swamps may be hi G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:46 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > Yes Graham, quite right. I would not join just to vote then try to remove > my information. I have had this problem in the past and don't want it > again - you think you have done everything to delete your details from a > group, and they tell you it is so, but strangely you still keep receiving > messages, invites and so on. It seems you can never totally erase account > details, whatever they might say. > This whole situation is most unsatisfactory and very annoying. > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > > >> Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo >> group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , >> so this should exclude your vote from the poll .... >> >> G. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "pws" >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement >> >>> John, >>> >>> You wrote: >>>> ... >>>> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >>>> how do you want to continue? >>>> >>>> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >>>> o With the Blacksheep.org list >>>> o Both lists >>>> >>>> >>>> To vote, please visit the following web page: >>>> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 >>> >>> I got what expected: >>> """ >>> To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable Web >>> Access. >>> >>> With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, links, >>> message archive search, and more! >>> >>> Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group >>> >>> If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web >>> Access and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. >>> >>> To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". >>> >>> Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? >>> If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now. >>> """ >>> >>> No, thanks! >>> I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I use a 'scope and signal generator in series with the loading coil and antenna to resonate. It works fb, spot on every time mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b2000330e4064ca60a9f57e731b892da Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494998208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fe9af333770 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I use a 'scope and signal generator in series with the loading coil and antenna to resonate. It works fb, spot on every time mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt OK. I recommend to use an RF amperemeter to find the resonance. An analog one of course. That makes resonating a fun, very comfortable. Also you can easily calculate the losses if the RF power is known. Remember: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/VLF/VLFcoil.jpg 73, Stefan Am 26.06.2012 12:10, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > I have calculated that I need 150 mH loading coil for 9 Khz. I have already > resonated the antenna using some ferrite core inductors and can hear it > singing at 9 khz with the low power signal generator. > I have started a big TX coil but need to finish it. I can RX well on the > band. > > 73 de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Schfer" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > > > Yes, in any way it would be nice again to put some focus on VLF. It's a > long time ago i regularly monitored my own VLF grabber > (http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html). > > Looks like SAQ has tuned up today for a time arround 10 UTC. The Alphas > are OFF again and the noise is maybe 10 dB higher than in winther, as a > maximum. I do not change the brightness between summer and winther. > > Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? > > How long does it take to get a full decode in that mode and what is the > content of the decoded message? If 4 H means 4 hours and the content is > a full callsign and locator (about like in WOLF) then maybe it can be > compared with DFCW-120? If so, i guess the range of a 1 mW ERP station > will be below 100 km, if conds are good (i.e. no QRN and during the gap > in the morning which is arround 8...11 UTC) and the RX is is typical. > > We know that no digimode can do miracles. However we often saw stations > just transmitting a few dashes. If these dashes will satisfy all, it > would be fine. > > Due to other projects (ah, i remember, it was the LF DX to VK times) i > stopped the local VLF experiments with the LOPT transformer. Also is > showed me that there is no real alternative to an air coil if a serious > ERP is goal. That was clear in advance but the proof was clearer than i > thought. > > As i write these lines, a small VLF flame starts to burn again. But > there is the MF project on the table as well... > > What about all the other VLF transmitting stations? We have been 7 > (OK2BVG, OE3GHB, DF6NM, G3XIZ, DJ8WX, OE5ODL, PA3CPM, DK7FC) who passed > distances above 1 Lambda. Did i forget someone? > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 26.06.2012 00:39, schrieb Graham: > >> Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of >> the UK as well ! >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Stefan Schfer" >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >> >> >>> Mal, >>> >>> Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: >>> >>>> Stefan >>>> This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the >>>> Dreamers band. >>>> >>> Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due >>> to your higher antenna C and mains availability. >>> You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. >>> >>> >>>> I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with >>>> other >>>> persuits at present. >>>> >>>> >>> Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large >>> tube. 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul >>> Nicholsons grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very >>> helpful for the first tests! >>> >>> 73, Stefan >>> >>> >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Stefan Schfer" >>>> To: >>>> Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM >>>> Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> VLF, >>>>> >>>>> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >>>>> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >>>>> Darmstadt, >>>>> http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run >>>>> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >>>>> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >>>>> earthquake precursors. >>>>> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced >>>>> him to >>>>> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He >>>>> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU >>>>> resources >>>>> for that at the moment though. >>>>> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >>>>> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it >>>>> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even >>>>> in summer. >>>>> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF >>>>> event. >>>>> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June >>>>> 2012 >>>>> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to >>>>> extend it. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B42D38000093; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SauSv-0001Yd-2m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:58:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SauSu-0001YU-K6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:58:24 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SauSs-00076v-M4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:58:23 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d27 with ME id HXyM1j0020Lx2rm03XyMeJ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:58:21 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <02F312E3BECE491093465DC96EAF847F@AGB> <4FCA6580.5050705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCA6580.5050705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 20:58:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Stefan , Cpu loading , I think its a try and see situation, differing motherboards / cpu's etc seem to have differing loading , I changed to a new m-board for my old P4 3.8 and the cpu load dropped by 25% ..... [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 39d0aa3a8a50eef73e9de70bcfcadb32 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454502784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fca708f5fc2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Ok Stefan , Cpu loading , I think its a try and see situation, differing motherboards / cpu's etc seem to have differing loading , I changed to a new m-board for my old P4 3.8 and the cpu load dropped by 25% ..... >>then how does the program know on which frequency I choose on the TX? Good question :) you can use any of the modes on any of the bands , as long as the rx is set the same .... all are the same on/off keying , time is used to set the s/n level , I think the 30 second version is optimised for hf>vhf , but will work on the lower bands First option ) If you use the CAT option then the band and qrg is pre-loaded , this mainly applies to the VHF/ HF bands Second ) Use the nominated frequency and use audio drive SSB tx/rx , then the system is auto configured , ie , I set my exciter to 500.00 usb and the Rx to 500.00 usb and use audio drive. Third) If you need to select your TX frequency and use com-port ptt drive , then the normal operation is to use a carrier off set , based on the USB dial set frequency , this enables remote monitoring stations to be on frequency and intercept below the noise signals . Depending on OP8 or OP32 , the carrier needs to be off set to ensure the correct audio frequency range at the Rx But , yes as in Pete's test to day , monitoring stations can simply re-tune to accommodate fixed Tx tests. this also happens when Joe vo1na uses OP on 507.77 ( fixed allocation) Distance OP8 , well I think that may be held by Gary g4wgt and Joe vo1na at 3500 Kmts , on 136 Khz Gary using 400 watts to a 12 mtr top loaded vertical , later Gary also decoding Joe. Quite regular decodes from ra3agc into the uk have been reported with inter Russian decodes 100% over land using OP8 mode and more recently , OP32 is being used , adding another -6 dB to the minimum decode level , Op8 -32 dB (-38wspr) OP32 -38 dB (-44 wspr) 73-G. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:12 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... > Hi G.., > > Am 02.06.2012 20:02, schrieb Graham: >> >> 136 is provided with two beacon speeds only , OP8 and OP32 , >> changing mode , changes the frequency band. monitoring is one >> speed only . > But if the PC simply keys the PTT then how does the program know on which > frequency i choose on the TX? So i could run any mode on any band, right? > What distances have been achieved with OP8 so far? > >> >> It is possible to simply run 2 Op sessions , one set to say OP8 >> and the other OP32 , or for other bands , one set to beacon , the >> other qso mode. > OK, understood. Well, 30% CPU load is very much for my PC since many SL > instances are running there permanently. But for some alternative > experiments, some time... I must admit the ease of simply steering the PTT > sounds good... > >> >> CPU loading , from recent posts > Single core 1.7 gig laptop with 2 gig >> ram and winxp >> >> (fujitsu siemens lifebook s series) is reported by dg9bfc as >> running ok, I find my old P4 3.2 ghz pc shows 25/35% cpu loading >> .. Eddie reports his 1.6GHz Atom Processor Sammy Netbook, is running >> Op no problems >> >> 73 -G.. > > R. 73, Stefan > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 72E2E38000088; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCMY-0000vc-LZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:05:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCMY-0000vT-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:05:02 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCMV-00020H-Vp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:05:01 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q53F4wAD021753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:04:59 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q53F4w0R021267 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:04:58 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB7CC1.6030803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:03:29 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Of course all those who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the poll. But there may be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo stuff". Those will have no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo poll it is advantaged to pro-yahoo in advance. Anyway i will subsrcibe and try to give my vote, as long as i don't need an extra yahoo account for that. It was easy to subscribe to the list but i'm afraid that taking part in a poll assumes to have a yahoo account. Then i cannot see the poll as really valid. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f0da950ecedac2a84ae70831926f1b39 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010804070605060709050203" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466760928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61874fcb7d527679 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010804070605060709050203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course all those who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the poll. But there may be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo stuff". Those will have no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo poll it is advantaged to pro-yahoo in advance. Anyway i will subsrcibe and try to give my vote, as long as i don't need an extra yahoo account for that. It was easy to subscribe to the list but i'm afraid that taking part in a poll assumes to have a yahoo account. Then i cannot see the poll as really valid. In that case, someone may have in mind that i vote for blacksheep. Two separate groups would be a bad compromise and they would always try to pull members from the other group to themselves. Anyway i would agree to such a compromise. On the blacksheep refelector we have been ONE GROUP, now we may loose a minority, maybe. For what? MORE MORE MORE Very sad! BTW *Please don't forget those who are not so familiar with the english language!* They may be very LF interested but can't follow the discussion and tell their opinion in an understandable way. *Minorities, but worth to think about!* Stefan/DK7FC Am 03.06.2012 15:57, schrieb John Gould: > I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is > a clear view on the way forward. I thought that there was, but there > seem to still be some with concerns. I personally don't want to have > two groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups > earlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there were > lots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups > offering. Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! > Groups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile > seeing what the preference is for the way forward. > > For those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of > course have to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can > exercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish). > > The detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow: > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > rsgb_lf_group group: > > Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, > how do you want to continue? > > o With the Yahoo! Groups list > o With the Blacksheep.org list > o Both lists > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > > > 73 John, G3WKL --------------010804070605060709050203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course all those who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the poll. But there may be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo stuff". Those will have no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo poll it is advantaged to pro-yahoo in advance.
Anyway i will subsrcibe and try to give my vote, as long as i don't need an extra yahoo account for that. It was easy to subscribe to the list but i'm afraid that taking part in a poll assumes to have a yahoo account. Then i cannot see the poll as really valid.

In that case, someone may have in mind that i vote for blacksheep.
Two separate groups would be a bad compromise and they would always try to pull members from the other group to themselves. Anyway i would agree to such a compromise.

On the blacksheep refelector we have been ONE GROUP, now we may loose a minority, maybe. For what? MORE MORE MORE
Very sad!

BTW Please don't forget those who are not so familiar with the english language! They may be very LF interested but can't follow the discussion and tell their opinion in an understandable way. Minorities, but worth to think about!

Stefan/DK7FC




Am 03.06.2012 15:57, schrieb John Gould:
I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is a clear view on the way forward.  I thought that there was, but there seem to still be some with concerns.   I personally don't want to have two groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups earlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there were lots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups offering.  Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Groups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing what the preference is for the way forward.  

For those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of course have to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can exercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish).

The detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow:


Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
rsgb_lf_group group:

Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list,
how do you want to continue?

o With the Yahoo! Groups list
o With the Blacksheep.org list
o Both lists


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!


73 John, G3WKL
--------------010804070605060709050203-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7153C38000082; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfzsv-00013c-Nw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:46:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfzsv-00013T-7h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:46:17 +0100 Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfzst-0003qA-HF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:46:16 +0100 Received: by bkty5 with SMTP id y5so6650399bkt.16 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:46:14 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=I+qvP9C661RVfsK6ZNQCyTkkPob89guKFq6m47/PnI0=; b=TrnHMS8buJhX/d/UB3LJlvPiI5IFvmiz6WP/HH8o+oXBdk9AapEKy8wrKdHKt5dK6r FFgcX4rEepirquH/vLZe7CgCP3GLLva2iM0eg96LQG7t63H4BZOVQ7BRqtWJ3C/quLvF A2nREe2MVSkgpvvnXYQLLCmnoySb61cUWAGGn4VYTukv4DX3dOOTPh8GItE/q40Icsyx Jg9u8NZt3bV5e4+lVovf007ukRsRgKJOng97OMjuQBFje8fz/Dobc2ALEOBR8wCYLwtw wIZBxMXIxfdrKYKYNnWAVzjCrZLQB+8TnTAEIS5hSRB6k5NWZx5GxTjN1EZHo7wwiozX p73g== Received: by 10.205.124.13 with SMTP id gm13mr4418613bkc.79.1339879574414; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from W1KW (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de. [77.21.14.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ie3sm13708988bkc.1.2012.06.16.13.46.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34831E7F34DD4A30A810FE695D5867DD@W1KW> From: "DK8KW & DI2BO" To: References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:46:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, I called you a few times but your signal was very weak (about 229 with QSB up to 339 at best). The air is very static tonight so so safe my ears I switched to OPERA (immeadiately got a report from G3XDV and DD7PC). We will try again another, more quiet night. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dk8kw.di2bo[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 11963a33d604c33786d8f1de94ce267f Subject: LF: Re: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD4C11.D4195F40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494200832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m003.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fdcf0cc05db X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD4C11.D4195F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, I called you a few times but your signal was very weak (about 229 with = QSB up to 339 at best). The air is very static tonight so so safe my = ears I switched to OPERA (immeadiately got a report from G3XDV and = DD7PC). We will try again another, more quiet night. Good luck, best 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz MF,=20 Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter = in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the = input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much = better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still = not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. My TX is ready as well. I will call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for = skeds! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the = RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try. Starting now! 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD4C11.D4195F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan,
 
I called you a few times but your = signal was very=20 weak (about 229 with QSB up to 339 at best). The air is very static = tonight so=20 so safe my ears I switched to OPERA (immeadiately got a report from = G3XDV and=20 DD7PC). We will try again another, more quiet night.
 
Good luck, best 73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 10:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: CW on 477.5 = kHz

MF,

Now my RX and active antenna is much better = after=20 adding a band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there = was an=20 overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX = performs=20 much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, = still=20 not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal.

My TX is = ready as=20 well. I will call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds! I = can=20 receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX already=20 attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a = try.

Starting=20 now!

73, Stefan/DK7FC
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Talking about valves. This is my latest PA contruction project for=20 LF.
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Content preview: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 3:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: test > FL test > > > From: "Stefan Schäfer" > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:20 PM > To: > Subject: LF: test > >> >> > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.41.46.225 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 87966b345956c8ef3389b993f6a18f4e Subject: Re: LF: test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466968704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m012.1 ; domain : mail.dk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf4feddb9e436f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 3:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: test > FL test > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stefan Schfer" > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:20 PM > To: > Subject: LF: test > >> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2BEC0380000A0; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgxld-0003KM-GA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:42:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgxlc-0003KD-Vu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:42:44 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sgxla-0003ju-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:42:43 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W30 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 05:42:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group , RSGB Yahoo Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:42:40 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FDFA599.3050006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> ,<4FDFA599.3050006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2012 12:42:41.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[0419C8C0:01CD4E19] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, LF, OK, that's good. Just using my JRC Rx at the moment, I will need to modify my SoftRock SDR for the new band or build another sound card Rx like the 136kHz one I made from your idea. I was thinking that just a Xtal freq change in the SoftRock as it is already on 500kHz of if the band width of the SoftRock can be opened to cover down to 472kHz. At the moment I cannot extend the range of my 472kHz offering, only move the 2kHz segment around to where the activity is. A slot on my grabber will be allocated soon. 73, Gary - G4WGT. Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:03:05 +0200 From: Re: LF: Now again on 477.5 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.33 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 350b42a0642244046701ed1a68bf48aa Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cdcbd57b-ef97-44da-ac99-bb55b58c8922_" Subject: RE: LF: Now again on 477.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489197760:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad04fe0740068b4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_cdcbd57b-ef97-44da-ac99-bb55b58c8922_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan=2C LF=2C OK=2C that's good. Just using my JRC Rx at the moment=2C= I will need to modify my SoftRock SDR for the new band or build another so= und card Rx like the 136kHz one I made from your idea. I was thinking that = just a Xtal freq change in the SoftRock as it is already on 500kHz of if th= e band width of the SoftRock can be opened to cover down to 472kHz. At the = moment I cannot extend the range of my 472kHz offering=2C only move the 2kH= z segment around to where the activity is. A slot on my grabber will be all= ocated soon. 73=2C Gary - G4WGT. Date: Tue=2C 19 Jun 2012 00:03:05 +0200 From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Now again on 477.5 =20 Hi Gary=2C=20 Oh yes=2C it seems so :-) Very nice:-) Will you extend the displayed range of your MF grabber some day? That would be very useful. There is no grabber for the new MF band in the UK so far.=20 Unfortunately there is QRM today on 477.5 and so i'm now calling at 473.5... 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC Am 18.06.2012 19:07=2C schrieb Gary G4WGT: =20 Hi Stefan=2C LF=2C =20 So....was this you last night....found in my saved captures today. =20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15990181/477-479-1206172330.jpg =20 73=2C =20 Gary - G4WGT. =20 =20 > Date: Mon=2C 18 Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200 > From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Now again on 477.5 >=20 > MF=2C >=20 > Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy =20 > exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again=2C=20 > listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else=20 > wants to try. >=20 > Best 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC >=20 =20 =20 = --_cdcbd57b-ef97-44da-ac99-bb55b58c8922_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan=2C LF=2C
 =3B
OK=2C that's good.
 =3B
Just us= ing my JRC Rx at the moment=2C I will need to modify my SoftRock SDR for th= e new band or build another sound card Rx like the 136kHz one I made from y= our idea. I was thinking that just a Xtal freq change in the SoftRock as it= is already on 500kHz of if the band width of the SoftRock can be opened to= cover down to =3B472kHz.
 =3B
At the moment I cannot extend&= nbsp=3Bthe range of my 472kHz offering=2C only move the 2kHz segment around= to where the activity is. A slot on my grabber will be allocated soon.
=  =3B
73=2C
 =3B
Gary - G4WGT.
 =3B
Date: Tue=2C 19 Jun = 2012 00:03:05 +0200
From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de
To: r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Now again on 477.5

=20 Hi Gary=2C

Oh yes=2C it seems so :-) Very nice:-) Will you extend the displayed range of your MF grabber some day? That would be very useful. There is no grabber for the new MF band in the UK so far.

Unfortunately there is QRM today on 477.5 and so i'm now calling at 473.5...

73=2C Stefan/DK7FC

Am 18.06.2012 19:07=2C schrieb Gary G4WGT:
Hi Stefan=2C LF=2C

So....was this you last night....found in my saved captures today.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/159= 90181/477-479-1206172330.jpg

73=2C

Gary - G4WGT.

 =3B
>=3B Date: Mon=2C 18 Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200
>=3B From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de<= br> >=3B To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=3B Subject: LF: Now again on 477.5
>=3B
>=3B MF=2C
>=3B
>=3B Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy
>=3B exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again=2C >=3B listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else
>=3B wants to try.
>=3B
>=3B Best 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC
>=3B
= --_cdcbd57b-ef97-44da-ac99-bb55b58c8922_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DADAF38000082; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjtyx-0001LK-Lw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:16:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjtyx-0001LB-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:16:39 +0100 Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.97]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjtyv-0005Op-E8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:16:38 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5RFGViD027253 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:16:31 -0400 Received: from core-dld001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dld001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.165.1]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E2627E00008D for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:16:30 -0400 (EDT) References: <4EB9F9BF57C243B4AC853AECF32B69EE@uwePC> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4EB9F9BF57C243B4AC853AECF32B69EE@uwePC> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: f4dtl@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 36515 - BASIC Received: from 86.67.115.76 by webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.94) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:16:30 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF228EF6E75DBA-1AB4-15102@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [86.67.115.76] Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:16:30 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340810191; bh=Db62fuzuC2RL1ZQBaZjsDlJYHGoA+ppMz2tLQcl2+iA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JxBxcYCefcXPuRF3JgQG6Tg953V8BpYvz5lqYCppWms+87MY13qC5KrIYZ5AkSVGh ZIo65A5+qXohLslTYlhsMJY8qWDah57bCTepmjrOOHCyMf09MDahEgqRF+YRtSiNcM 8e4RAyJRPHwI5lDoPudNTKu6SFBkbTdW2DsDv8ec= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:359803424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Maybe the NDB "SA" from Darlowo Poland.  Nicolas F4DTL -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Uwe Wensauer <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de> A: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Envoyé le : Me, 27 Jun 2012 17:12 Sujet : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.91.97 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (f4dtl[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: 4f449c45f7b1894a9195a328eedaeb30 Subject: Re : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF228EF6F344A4_1AB4_519D7_webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:442067200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m246.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4feb240747ea X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF228EF6F344A4_1AB4_519D7_webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Maybe the NDB "SA" from Darlowo Poland. =C2=A0 Nicolas F4DTL -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Uwe Wensauer <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de> A: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Envoy=C3=A9 le : Me, 27 Jun 2012 17:12 Sujet : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Hi Who is it ? SA =C2=A0 Uwe dk1kq =C2=A0 ----------MB_8CF228EF6F344A4_1AB4_519D7_webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Maybe the NDB "SA" from Darlowo Poland.
 
Nicolas F4= DTL


-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : Uwe Wensauer <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de>
A: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Me, 27 Jun 2012 17:12
Sujet : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA"

Hi
Who is it ?
SA
 
Uwe dk1kq
 
----------MB_8CF228EF6F344A4_1AB4_519D7_webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D887B38170ACC; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SglGP-0001sO-Nd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:21:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SglGP-0001sF-AE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:21:41 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SglGN-0007lo-LW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:21:40 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5INLcYK017434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:21:38 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5INLc2Y008575 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:21:38 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDFB79A.1060802@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:19:54 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1340059039.25081.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340059039.25081.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mike, Thanks for the report! Well, the CQ call comes from the memory of my keyer (by DL4YHF) but the CW in a QSO is hand given. No PC in use for QSOs. Are you already QRV on 500? I could listen for you there. However i'm still at the beginning and have to do some improvements on the receive side. I'm also planning to be QRV from /p, RX wise. Yesterday i have extended the range of my active ferrite antenna. So now it covers LF and MF. See https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/LF%2BMF_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC on 473.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fdfb84c02e7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Mike, Thanks for the report! Well, the CQ call comes from the memory of my keyer (by DL4YHF) but the CW in a QSO is hand given. No PC in use for QSOs. Are you already QRV on 500? I could listen for you there. However i'm still at the beginning and have to do some improvements on the receive side. I'm also planning to be QRV from /p, RX wise. Yesterday i have extended the range of my active ferrite antenna. So now it covers LF and MF. See https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/LF%2BMF_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG :-) What antenna do you plan for /p? A full size dipole in a forrest will be interesting! I will prepare my 700m earth antenna to make such a dipole and see what the efficiency will be :-) 73, GL! Stefan/DK7FC Am 19.06.2012 00:37, schrieb Mike Thayne: > Hello Stefan > > I am hearing a very nice 559 signal of you calling CQ on 473.5khz at 2216utc tonight. No interference and nice hand sent morse from you. Using a miniwhip rx antenna. > I am looking forward to joining in the fun in January 2013 when we get access to the new band. > Small garden here so I will have to be /p to get a decent signal out, I learnt the lesson on 500khz! > > 73 > Mike Thayne > G3GMS > Whitley Bay IO95GB > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E002538000084; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh60i-0006Er-QK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:30:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh60i-0006Ei-D9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:30:52 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh60g-0006XJ-5y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:30:51 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.185]) by cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:30:48 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.20]) by cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:30:48 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:30:48 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:30:47 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2012 21:30:48.0527 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB205DF0:01CD4E62] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse Jan/pa3abk On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > just in case someone wants... > I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.15 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 4ad5f3f1a9241b934aaa5d0e23c9dc57 Subject: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486588992:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fe0efba2cb4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse Jan/pa3abk On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Schfer wrote: > just in case someone wants... > I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C522A38000093; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgEpg-0005dM-M2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:43:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgEpg-0005dD-0u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:43:56 +0100 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgEpe-0006k7-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:43:54 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120617124352.WKKJ14795.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:43:52 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120617124352.OKDT23925.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:43:52 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:43:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4FDDDF12.7289.582D18E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <4FDD2024.2080507@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <1339856589.169975917@f7.mail.ru>, <4FDD2024.2080507@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=gQQA6oKMn8SaJAct1MsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 17 Jun 2012 at 2:09, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > Ah, BTW, see that tiny little MF coil beside the LF coil!! LF is stil > the real hard stuff! :-) Yes, that's what we used to say when 136kHz came along. Easy compared to the 12mH coils we used on 73kHz! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.48 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 925300287489a1d7272e62b121c112aa Subject: Re: LF: rn3aus grabber online Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:249250272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4fddd143074b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none On 17 Jun 2012 at 2:09, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Ah, BTW, see that tiny little MF coil beside the LF coil!! LF is stil > the real hard stuff! :-) Yes, that's what we used to say when 136kHz came along. Easy compared to the 12mH coils we used on 73kHz! Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 57F5C380000F6; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si63h-0006Mm-Ec for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:46:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si63h-0006MW-1k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:46:05 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si63f-00076d-IM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:46:03 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIGAFyS5E9cF/ZW/2dsb2JhbABFg0GcVgOVSYEIgg8EFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEGAR05AQQaBiQdAQICAQGHfph0oTaRMAOIFIU2l2OCXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,459,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="376667395" Received: from host-92-23-246-86.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.86]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 2012 16:46:02 +0100 Message-ID: <004c01cd508e$1fe3bfd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:46:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lovely warm glow from a pair of 813's, 4-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With 100 watt heaters and K/volts on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could handle them safely. Transistors for the Appliance Operator, with no dangerous voltages to cause premature expiry!! g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: Valves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD508E.1F9EA080" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:352614176:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410d4fe493662432 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD508E.1F9EA080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lovely warm glow from a pair = of 813's, 4-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With 100 watt heaters and = K/volts on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could handle them = safely.=20 Transistors for the Appliance Operator, with no dangerous voltages to = cause premature expiry!! g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD508E.1F9EA080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lovely = warm glow=20 from a pair of 813's,  4-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With 100 = watt=20 heaters and K/volts on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could = handle them=20 safely.
Transistors for the Appliance Operator, =  with no=20 dangerous voltages to cause premature expiry!!
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD508E.1F9EA080-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0BA933800009A; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 05:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHdx-0005ox-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:07:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHdw-0005oo-Cd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:07:36 +0100 Received: from mail-ee0-f43.google.com ([74.125.83.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdHdt-0003HG-NG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:07:35 +0100 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50so2523052eek.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:07:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :x-gm-message-state; bh=90Frk3UU3Yx43O5CxAlpFdtDi4fXXiOI9p0BdoTsCIc=; b=HVCd93RNFqN7ngpuXNkUpAv3zg192xz2uEAPpah7tspzE2x9D0rUSqi4ZfVg8dE7TU 8RDyfXE25WRXcqcdGMlVd3uJyOIO3x0soG3l3Jh6bM2amo7QxAkYprLIwLXMcTFp8yLs /nUBJXKMaz+a3FzbL+gTo+oRjjWd0uh7tt03JwZNdn0veyAxA2je5dcY8J9TnivS6uPE AE3XOxS6SkpBDEAueh/n0wNadLSI6NdbN6yzmUjwwXrClowqsTArY58ECw44b/nIauQw 69+XbK/c15yM/BbKrRZOx3kYyoU6nLUPQJvBd4EO6JukGq3fFVE7kmRxs004ZlLYXi9k aQcw== Received: by 10.14.98.205 with SMTP id v53mr4586230eef.138.1339232852531; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.98.205 with SMTP id v53mr4586228eef.138.1339232852391; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Win7Pro (host86-155-18-158.range86-155.btcentralplus.com. [86.155.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t3sm30605064eeb.15.2012.06.09.02.07.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry GW0EZY To: References: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:07:29 +0100 Message-ID: <000001cd461f$4d2fef50$e78fcdf0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1GG92hoge1yvgfQ7Oe9/AD5qV1qgAAzBfA Content-Language: en-gb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlTAm4lnHahlJYy+xMIMvEX7jKVb9igc+VVcC+qKTGZTlAiwU5HUwYouCdh4g+ohafzab+FmKebhGLA07h3jC5cLvlG8w== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !! Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. 73 Terry [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.83.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fbdd513523001863775249cfaf215eac Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD4627.AEF45750" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:331863328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m405.1 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4fd3129a6f6d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD4627.AEF45750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !! Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40 To: rsgb Cc: rsgb Subject: LF: 136.5 now LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD4627.AEF45750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV = !!

 

Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579.

 

73 Terry

 

From:= = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40
To: = rsgb
Cc: rsgb
Subject: LF: 136.5 = now

 

LF

=

Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE = only, pse call

 

de = g3kev

 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD4627.AEF45750-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C3A7C38000095; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 05:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShGlv-0001Aq-9x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:00:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShGlu-0001Ah-OO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:00:18 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShGls-00015X-O6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:00:17 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwFAAWR4U9cHY/O/2dsb2JhbABFgkWDEpokA5VfgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDFjMCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiECAhQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYdsAw8HpiOJTSKJOYsuGgEMhGKBEgONR5djgl+BWAc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,443,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542421378" Received: from host-92-29-143-206.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.143.206]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2012 10:00:00 +0100 Message-ID: <004301cd4ec3$11af9000$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:59:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Horst One way forward is to become a class A licencee or alternatively upgrade the class E licence to class A This is what they did in the UK. They upgraded class B to class A as easy as that !! When you call an ex class B on cw he does not reply because he never learned morse code. There are so many different licences in the UK at present that I have lost track. It is a free for all now --- all good fun --- no Pirates any more, so easy to get a permit. [...] Content analysis details: (0.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 3df6620ae1cf83b986cf2fc02407da16 Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4EC3.1178C890" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452785728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4fe1916e4045 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4EC3.1178C890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Horst One way forward is to become a class A licencee or alternatively upgrade = the class E licence to class A This is what they did in the UK. They upgraded class B to class A as = easy as that !! When you call an ex class B on cw he does not reply = because he never learned morse code. There are so many different = licences in the UK at present that I have lost track. It is a free for all now --- all good fun --- no Pirates any more, so = easy to get a permit. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Horst St=C3=B6cker=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:54 AM Subject: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full = implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the = BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012? The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really? The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class E. = Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. 9W = ERP. Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. = As HAM with class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing. It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with one = Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now BNetzA) = remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with = every kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: = >250THz ist still allocated to class A AND E HAMs. Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the club! Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN) Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juni 2012 um 13:57 Uhr Von: DK1IS An: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams=20 Dear group, to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the=20 MF-allocation in Germany which I=C2=B4ve got today via email from our=20 authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). 73 and cul on MF! Tom, DK1IS JN59WK =20 Ihr WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App = f=C3=BCr iPhone und Android. =20 https://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4EC3.1178C890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Horst
One way forward is to become a class A licencee = or=20 alternatively upgrade the class E licence to class A
This is what they did in the UK. They upgraded = class B to=20 class A as easy as that !! When you call an ex class B on cw he does not = reply=20 because he never learned morse code. There are so many different = licences in the=20 UK at present that I have lost track.
It is a free for all now --- all good fun --- no = Pirates=20 any more, so easy to get a permit.
 
 
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Horst=20 St=C3=B6cker
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 = 7:54=20 AM
Subject: Aw: LF: Text of = MF-Allocation to=20 German Hams

Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full=20 implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the = BNetzA.=20 What was the maximum power in WRC2012?
The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really?
The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the = class E.=20 Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. = 9W ERP.=20 Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. As = HAM with=20 class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing.
It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But = with one=20 Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now = BNetzA)=20 remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with = every=20 kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: = >250THz=20 ist still allocated to class A AND E HAMs.
Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the=20 club!
Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN)

Gesendet: Dienstag, = 19. Juni=20 2012 um 13:57 Uhr
Von: DK1IS=20 = <DK1IS@kabelmail.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.c= o.uk,=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: Text of = MF-Allocation=20 to German Hams
Dear group,

to whom it may = concern: enclosed=20 please find the official text of the
MF-allocation in Germany = which I=C2=B4ve=20 got today via email from our
authorising agency = "Bundesnetzagentur"=20 (BNetzA).

73 and cul on MF!

Tom, = DK1IS
JN59WK


  

Ihr=20 WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App = f=C3=BCr iPhone=20 und Android.   
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Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC) PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:24PA3ABK PA3ABK 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:45:31PA0LPN PA0LPN 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:05
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Content preview: Hi Albert I have worked all of these stations on CW and those that do not have a 500 permit they reply on 7033 Khz, real time QSO 73 gl de Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz OPERA activity [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492991392:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fd2406257b3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Albert I have worked all of these stations on CW and those that do not have a 500 permit they reply on 7033 Khz, real time QSO 73 gl de Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz OPERA activity > Hello Mal, > > Up to abt. 700 km it is no problem in the CW QSO mode but for stations > like IK1WVQ 1024km, RA3TTS 2523km, RN3AGC 2019km, UA1AVA 1640km and > others over 1000km OPERA or WSPR is the only convenient way to gather > some reports and create summer time DX-activity. > > 73, Albert PA0A > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 259ED3800009D; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg2XL-0002jo-M7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:36:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg2XL-0002je-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:36:11 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg2XJ-0004YK-1S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:36:10 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GNa8lW028150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:36:08 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GNa84D003777 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:36:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDD1802.1050203@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:34:26 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001d01cd4c11$9533fe20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001d01cd4c11$9533fe20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the first moment. I just didn't know that you are calling on 501... Am 17.06.2012 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > At last a QSO hi. > Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were 569 > solid copy with heavy QRN on the band. Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as long as the signals are still perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of amateur radio, all missed in QRSS... [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1908b49407fc556987226b536cc4bad0 Subject: Re: LF: qso dk7fc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080908030501000702040507" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:441351008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fdd18922e17 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080908030501000702040507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal, Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the first moment. I just didn't know that you are calling on 501... Am 17.06.2012 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > At last a QSO hi. > Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were 569 > solid copy with heavy QRN on the band. Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as long as the signals are still perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of amateur radio, all missed in QRSS... BTW: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/G3KEV.WAV (10MB, the mp3 converter does not work soemhow) Just have it in mind when you talk about my ears... Ah and BTW the reception was done by using a micro antenna, an active E field antenna that was hold out of the window, just 1 meter. The probe is a short variable length antenna from a UKW radio (allows experimenting with different probe length..) > At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. Glad to be your first CW > QSO on MF ...the first UK stn. The first ever was PA3ABK. > 73 es gl de mal/g3kev 73, QRQ, Stefan/DK7FC --------------080908030501000702040507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal,

Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the first moment. I just didn't know that you are calling on 501...

Am 17.06.2012 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton:
Stefan
At last a QSO hi.
Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were 569 solid copy with heavy QRN on the band.
Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as long as the signals are still perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of amateur radio, all missed in QRSS...

BTW:  https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/G3KEV.WAV  (10MB, the mp3 converter does not work soemhow) Just have it in mind when you talk about my ears... Ah and BTW the reception was done by using a micro antenna, an active E field antenna that was hold out of the window, just 1 meter. The probe is a short variable length antenna from a UKW radio (allows experimenting with different probe length..)


At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. Glad to be your first CW QSO on MF
...the first UK stn. The first ever was PA3ABK.

73 es gl de mal/g3kev
 

73, QRQ, Stefan/DK7FC
--------------080908030501000702040507-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1CD1838000092; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1F5-0001uN-Qa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:13:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1F5-0001uE-7D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:13:15 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg1F2-0004Cr-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:13:14 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 36D5B138097.A5E3E X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D5B138097 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:13:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB4.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub4.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32E8420041 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:13:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB4.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::c11b:83f0:c46c:c366%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:13:08 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Thread-Index: AQHNS/tV+uTyS0xTRU2djIHcF/gcg5b9RxaAgAAEx4CAAAdWAIAAC7aAgAAjJeM= Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:13:08 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAE508@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> ,<4FDD0343.3070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDD0343.3070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.12] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.129 (rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, you were 579 here with the typical 500kHz QSB. Due to strong rain I couldn't call you, but I assume we will have a QSO in the near future. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: d2a449809c9c1ff1983612d049372878 Subject: RE: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAE508ICTSSMBX5lunaku_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:428998048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64fdd052a2934 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAE508ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, you were 579 here with the typical 500kHz QSB. Due to strong rain I couldn't call you, but I assume we will have a QSO in = the near future. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2012 0:05 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many reports my= email. Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station i eve= r heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF, without any= problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where real time QSOs c= an take place. And this night is in summer and with high QRN, so winther mu= st be wonderful. No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-) 137 = kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real QSO ba= nd now! I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the active ferrit= e antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN... The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground range dista= nce is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but nothing at DJ2LF in 1= 75km distance... Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA here while= sitting in the forest and receiving there :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 23:24, schrieb Chris 4X1RF: Jan, Stefan Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in real= time on the Delfi WebSdr. 73s Chris 4X1RF On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM, pa3abk > wrote: Stefan, At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ. And stop when your CQ starts again. There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5. Jan/pa3abk On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote: Stefan, Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? At te mom you are becoming better. Jan/pa3abk On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: MF, Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in f= ront of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input be= fore. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can he= ar the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are= local QRM or a far field signal. My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and l= ook for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters i= n the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try. Starting now! 73, Stefan/DK7FC -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAE508ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Stefan,

 

you were 579=  here with the typical 500kHz QSB.

Due to strong<= a> rain I couldn't call you,=  but I assume we will have a QSO in the near future.

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer= @iup.uni-heidelberg.de]
Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2012 0:05
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz

Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many repor= ts my email.

Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station i eve= r heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF, without any= problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where real time QSOs c= an take place. And this night is in summer and with high QRN, so winther must be wonderful.
No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-) 137 = kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real QSO ba= nd now!

I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the active ferrit= e antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN...

The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground range dista= nce is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but nothing at DJ2LF in 1= 75km distance...
Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA here while= sitting in the forest and receiving there :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 16.06.2012 23:24, schrieb Chris 4X1RF:
Jan, Stefan

Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in real= time on the Delfi WebSdr.


73s
Chris 4X1RF


On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM, pa3abk <pa3abk@kpnmail.n= l> wrote:
Stefan,

At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ.
And stop when your CQ starts again.

There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5.


Jan/pa3abk


On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote:
Stefan,

Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call?

At te mom you are becoming better.



Jan/pa3abk

On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
MF,

Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in f= ront of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input be= fore. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can he= ar the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal= .

My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround)= as well but my filters in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 = dB... Anyway worth a try.

Starting now!

73, Stefan/DK7FC




--
pa3abk<->  dordrecht jo21it



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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, I am monitoring 200 - 600 kHz every night with a PERSEUS SDR. Propagation from Canada has been very consistent the last weeks. Most nights, I can copy around ten non directional beacons from NFL. There is also a distinct dawn enhancement around 02:30 UTC. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.28 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:379477216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fd73cf52ba9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan, I am monitoring 200 - 600 kHz every night with a PERSEUS SDR. Propagation from Canada has been very consistent the last weeks. Most nights, I can copy around ten non directional beacons from NFL. There is also a distinct dawn enhancement around 02:30 UTC. The last days it is a bit down, however this morning I had still aural copy from NDB BX on 220 kHz from Lourdes-de-Blanc-Sablon, Quebec over a 4100 km path. Also NAVTEX reception from Canada on 490 kHz and 518 kHz has been observed. Like you, it amazes me that propagation is as good as it is. I have seen excellent summer propagation before, but that was early July, after the summer solstice. The only way to find out if there is propagation or not is to check it every night. That is the main reason here for making overnight recordings and monitoring 518 kHz NAVTEX. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CD7DB38000113; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5jj-0005yi-R4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:13:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5jj-0005yZ-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:13:19 +0100 Received: from nm1-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.95]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh5jh-0006OH-9h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:13:18 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2012 21:13:15 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.134] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2012 21:13:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2012 21:13:15 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 616810.80461.bm@omp1039.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 3850 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2012 21:13:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340140395; bh=CcMXf1ePf/zNVFNdbzAhFu/f+SHAue/091GWBkb3Vtc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0b28NC63vUsWw2pUoOLnWcNv+OK2unP1Pr5Nrs9NUlreDk7GrgzPafDjb82gsMvh2d9ZZpwj7SIlXcdZeYK8ZaFE5apq8aD5plFb6PqozFHaNi3m0jlRxjuraXqmp9BA8aII96Rv6km0RdegrW/DB8X+OyJKegvfTqUzigTHncI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=prWHmDNd2+h8kp1pDZktmAZC2Qe/ZRDlFNANg0SwQy7p/B7W+Upre3Zorbq38at8dvc4G4LiPiy3WGHAanbH1PVTcrf7VcxB9ZKV32H8DsAKUJie/bjv6aMyqDaVj1E4SV/T5Smkbc7BKFcgYa3oLiftNBPr3SlPHOdmwa0ZQWo=; X-YMail-OSG: .qtpH_cVM1mq7pY35FN968a6hC28ZmT2V0Y07MYAsOf01D8 N8MKgLl3oCNNQGVQkH5sOIe6O7NPkoFxOSGzwA4.zvSkTTRscfpLnvnmOeks 7P7kS2TwDi87m164VSIzY5Jv_N_7NPDRXJq5AQNQm.nDen.pj7QHPwaM9izW ZJNgJUnAcuJh0BU8jcQho8IORHzYXWKf.kCliSiD7eesUoQLdpldHo2Ye4a9 YQ18lHR5CqY9v2HjWHLGBuBJPOBxMpiDBySWK9RLXFqt2afg_CSjyaHyo_Uu TTa8m8ixMSH.k_5dsQ5zClfMuqSeDM9zCYXZIwClNnf3pmuHwTVoyCTkLMQy TJWa0pHUvRorRvYV3IhagwS7kPcLNWLL88Ys5g4dF.r7NbQggABjwjvMLNUN Mv9IOUR0Nsq9l772KMNAAEGPllpK4Q8V.oL_IGXMgo2GwTy95c5NOzuVSYTj 6rtq.rvqaUZRE9G77GpdtB1eaFofkf3yXijNltxD5VL.uid19KedS_Wj2MbW sOuEOPpe1MtQAiTDKkgePnM9DDkP3_R_3QR1yLQ-- Received: from [82.39.62.205] by web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:13:15 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1340140395.2026.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:13:15 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Thayne To: rsgb lf MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, My 500 transmit set up has been dismantled for some time. I achieved only local QSO's up to 225 miles due entirely to my very small antenna in my very small garden. As Mal once said to me I need to move house! Well that is not possible but I could go /p and I have been following all your activities to learn from your experiences. I am also encouraged by Finbar EI0CF, who has achieved great success on 500 portable as well as from his home QTH. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.95 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g3gms[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC on 473.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492568928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m224.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194fe0eba8151a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan,=0AMy 500 transmit set up has been dismantled for some time. I= achieved only =0Alocal QSO's up to 225 miles due entirely to my very small= antenna in my very =0Asmall garden. As Mal once said to me I need to move = house! Well that is not =0Apossible but I could go /p and I have been follo= wing all your activities to =0Alearn from your experiences. I am also encou= raged by Finbar EI0CF, who has =0Aachieved great success on 500 portable as= well as from his home QTH. =0A=0AI am a technician not an Engineer or Scie= ntist (ex. marine R/O) but I can =0Areproduce ideas from others so I am a k= een observer and one of the many "silent" =0Amembers learning from the grou= p.=0A=0AClose to the North Sea my /p activity will take advantage of that, = =0Arather than forests.=0AGood luck on the new band and I hope to join you = there=A0live on air, in January =0A2013.=0A73, Mike, g3gms=0A----- Original= Message ----- =0AFrom: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" =0ATo: =0ASent: Monday, June 18, 201= 2 11:19 PM =0ASubject: Re: LF: DK7FC on 473.5=0A=0A> Hello Mike,=0A> =0A> T= hanks for the report! Well, =0Athe CQ call comes from the memory of my =0A>= keyer (by DL4YHF) but the CW in =0Aa QSO is hand given. No PC in use for Q= SOs.=0A> =0A> Are you already QRV =0Aon 500? I could listen for you there. = However i'm =0A> still at the =0Abeginning and have to do some improvements= on the receive =0A> side. I'm =0Aalso planning to be QRV from /p, RX wise.= Yesterday i have =0A> extended the =0Arange of my active ferrite antenna. = So now it covers LF and =0A> MF. See =0A> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028= /MF/LF%2BMF_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG :-)=0A> =0A> What antenna do you pla= n for /p? A full size dipole in a =0Aforrest will be =0A> interesting! I wi= ll prepare my 700m earth antenna to =0Amake such a dipole =0A> and see what= the efficiency will be :-)=0A> =0A> 73, GL! Stefan/DK7FC=0A> =0A> Am 19.06= .2012 00:37, schrieb Mike =0AThayne:=0A>> Hello Stefan=0A>> =0A>> I am hear= ing a very =0Anice 559 signal of you calling CQ on 473.5khz at 2216utc toni= ght. No =0Ainterference and nice hand sent morse from you. Using a miniwhip= rx =0Aantenna.=0A>> I am looking forward to joining in the fun in January = 2013 =0Awhen we get access to the new band.=0A>> Small garden here so I wil= l have =0Ato be /p to get a decent signal out, I learnt the lesson on =0A50= 0khz!=0A>> =0A>> 73=0A>> Mike Thayne=0A>> =0AG3GMS=0A>> Whitley Bay IO95GB= =0A>>=0A>> =0A> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB44D38000082; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfvbv-0007Nj-HM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:12:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfvbv-0007NU-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:12:27 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfvbt-0002ge-JY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:12:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d43 with ME id P4CQ1j00K4U6hVe034CQfB; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:12:25 +0200 Message-ID: <0D4DC6EEC79B42328EDCDEFB0B10830B@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Cc: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:12:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft 73 -G. 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BF_01CD4BE3.32E80BE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:152783136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4fdcb09525c0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01CD4BE3.32E80BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft =20 73 -G.=20 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB *********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20 16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w + = Umbrella ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01CD4BE3.32E80BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

*********** 16/06/2012 *********** =

 

16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella

------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01CD4BE3.32E80BE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3321F38000087; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3rl-0001iv-M2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:24:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3rl-0001im-9l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:24:57 +0100 Received: from smtp02.online.nl ([194.134.41.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd3rj-0000gl-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:24:56 +0100 Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE363A594 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:24:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s529d275f.adsl.wanadoo.nl [82.157.39.95]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:24:53 +0200 (CEST) From: To: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:24:53 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: <4FD23D78.9010000@xs4all.nl> Importance: Normal X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Thanks Albert Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Albert Verzonden: vrijdag 8 juni 2012 19:59 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.134.41.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mal  The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on LF because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks people have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.246 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 55db901127f87fafbf8ae301dac99c44 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1507048413-2092401642-1340312150=:80181" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:439369408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d004.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fe38ac71bfb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1507048413-2092401642-1340312150=:80181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal=0A=C2=A0=0AThe whole reason these things are getting so much attenti= on is the price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or=C2=A0A= /D converter.=C2=A0They are not really suitable for or give any advantage o= n LF because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO=C2=A0I don't think i= ts worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks peopl= e have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It= looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX suppie= rs do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.=0A=0A= 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From= : mal hamilton =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0ASent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 18:42=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A = =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0Aps =0AMy cardbus is a Freecom TV and radio receiver but= I cannot =0Afind any spec for it=C2=A0 anywhere. Freq range etc =0AIt woul= d be interesting to see how far down it actually =0Awent in freq, or even h= ow far up. I could build a suitable up converter to cover =0ALF/MF =0ADe ma= l/g3kev =0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: mal hamilton =0A>To= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:44 PM = =0A>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A>=0A> =0A>Pete =0A>I have a DVB-T card= bus and I expect this would also work maybe better than the usb stick. Do = not know what the chipset is =0A>de mal/g3kev =0A>=0A>----- Original Messag= e ----- =0A>>From: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent= : Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:40 PM =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A>= >=0A>> =0A>> =0A>>Hi all =0A>>Save those precious Euros because you don= =E2=80=99t know how long they will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber= =E2=80=99s =C2=A0BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using =C2=A0ultra-cheap Soft= ware Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB stick. =0A>>These D= VB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK source and= cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the = cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or = similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC= to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna. = =0A>>Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stat= ions with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if that=E2= =80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. =C2=A0Not a lot of people= know that! =0A>>URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 =0A>>https://ww= w.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 =0A>>http://www.reddit.com/r= /RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/ =0A>= >You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) =0A>>= Yy 73=C2=A0 Pete M0fmt =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT I= O91UX=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>________________________________=0A>>From: Stefan Sch= =C3=A4fer =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40=0A>>Subject: Re: LF= : SDR programs=0A>>=0A>>Hi Piotr,=0A>>=0A>>Thanks for the =0A overview o= f programs. That's what i searched for.=0A>>But maybe i have =0A express= ed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono =0A = input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable = =0A for both, IQ and mono?=0A>>Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teache= rs (Wolf =0A or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i= would prefer =0A that i think...=0A>>=0A>>Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A>>=0A= >>> Hi Stefan, =0A LF=0A>>> =0A>>> i have SDR-IQ receiver from=C2=A0 RFS= pace. The primary =0A supporting software for all their sdr=C2=A0 hardwa= re is Spectravue.=0A>>> =0A you can download this program from the rfspa= ce site:=0A>>> =0A>>> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html=0A>>> = =0A>>> i do recommend this program=C2=A0 although it is sligthly difficult = =0A to get started.=0A>>> However,=C2=A0 once you get familiar with it y= ou =0A will like it:)=0A>>> =0A>>> on a "support" page of www.rfspace.co= m=C2=A0 =0A you will also find a link to sdr -radio:=0A>>> =0A>>> http:/= /www.sdr-radio.com/=0A>>> =0A>>>=C2=A0 they have =0A a very powerful rad= io console which looks like a regular transceiver front =0A side=0A>>>= =C2=A0 It has many many different options - of course, it does =0A take = time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy..=0A>>> =0A>>>= i also recommend=C2=A0 HDSDR software:=C2=A0 http://www.hdsdr.de/index.htm= l=0A>>> very intuitive and =0A easy to use.=0A>>> =0A>>> Well, there is = a growing number of sdr =0A software supporting=C2=A0 sdr hardware.=C2= =A0 an example of such collection =0A of sdr programs you can find here:= =0A>>> =0A>>> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_softwa= re=0A>>> =0A>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =0A =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yours, P= iotr, SQ7MPJ=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A qth: Lodz /jo91rs/=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>=0A>> --1507048413-2092401642-1340312150=:80181 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mal
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The whole reason these things are getting so much att= ention is the price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or&nb= sp;A/D converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advanta= ge on LF because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a g= ood sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't thi= nk its worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks p= eople have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure= . It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX su= ppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton &= lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To:<= /span> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 18:42
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

=EF=BB=BF=0A=0A =0A =0A
Alberto
Surprised to see you on Blacksheep reflector, = you said=20 last week you were going to Yahoo and not coming back !!
Blacksheep for information and education, Yahoo = for=20 picture post cards
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alberto di = Bene=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 = 10:06=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

On 6/20/2012 11:31 PM, Markus Vester=20 wrote:
But as I = have zero Linux=20 background, is there a way to run something like=20 RTL-SDR under Windows?
Go to=20 this page :

http://www.rtlsdr.com/2012/04/getting-started-with-rtl-sdr-dongle/=

73 =20 Alberto  I2PHD


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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mal, > ... > also now CQ on 136.5 CW pse call, nil hrd so far >... Nope here at 136.5; pse use an aerial :) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.187 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: aee9e5eeb35c86f052d502ac97832558 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:403868512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4fcb8fa3154a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Mal, > ... > also now CQ on 136.5 CW pse call, nil hrd so far >... Nope here at 136.5; pse use an aerial :) Peter, df3lp PS: still observing 136.5 kHz... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 22CB5380000BD; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkCBk-0005FI-1L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:43:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkCBj-0005F9-Js for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:43:03 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkCBh-0000cE-RW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:43:02 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArQFAFU07E9cF/xG/2dsb2JhbABFigmqDYIfgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDJQEjAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh34HqhCPEwSLNxuCU4McA41Nl2iCXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,491,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="391249987" Received: from host-92-23-252-70.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.252.70]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2012 11:42:59 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01cd551a$c5e740b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FEC323B.3040805@kabelmail.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:42:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: At 50 watts slightly more efficient than a Valve Class C and at 100 watts about the same !! g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK1IS" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:30 AM Subject: Re: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.6 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:496206688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fec355f64bf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none At 50 watts slightly more efficient than a Valve Class C and at 100 watts about the same !! g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK1IS" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:30 AM Subject: Re: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Am 28.06.2012 00:33, schrieb Stefan Schfer: > MF, > > For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that > operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF > TRX can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input > power must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can > be switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the > output impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is > not so critical, Z=R may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The > FETs are IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer > uses RF litz wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort > for optimising the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW > QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a > 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm. > The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF > power. The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this > measurement. > > If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a > schematic as a png file. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG > > > > . > Hi Stefan, me too, please! 73, Tom,DK1IS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B03AB38000098; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZdy-0005By-27 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZdx-0005Bp-AR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:33 +0100 Received: from nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.63]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbZdv-0007UO-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:32 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.232] by nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2012 15:56:29 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.242] by tm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2012 15:56:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2012 15:56:29 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 186830.34045.bm@omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 37234 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2012 15:56:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338825389; bh=FgkZstglAp4WZrGHxnaIkR/iDg4xoQ0k3nnCOIssCys=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HjgTgP5mQOKWIpGqtiDDmMnMfu/kPXu4cbQIQ5A+tfPzfkDRmbG0O/X/JizCdfnveHDlyE7UoZJOtVL0CC4fKhmXgroUcK0kmizPkUBCCRkXoMYcmKVFIlru7flRPSeGb+CYedj8VFqbIRr9Cfhr3pQcil4ffQ+ZtBcQA33H2BE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qbjl3S4Edz2LYnWCJ1ga5F5SOhW4yZiIO8R1LiPHnzRt7ouX0hX5BR8tXYZNQlGmzJQ6DjN25SJKA9jXjpRCtNqJr6phYkjcp/vX16NSJg4ifY77+aU/fk0aaZRLBIr+IPtSzITh62trD04eVmDFMsS6sGXUc689FOhlUBlCJ60=; X-YMail-OSG: ap7bsm0VM1mbONY_xfq_msMHnK8sa2hR15Y_dLG5gP47DCV 3u1f0s5kiVR1iTxaNMfJ1x8pAPJwKryKRUMslCwXH.N3Va2aa7W111hARhFi 6Ig.B4Oq7VwHSKxuhKURmeejgiIqCeTsiaxP_uleQx7A8MnOpBThqzadzlRa TuGd2OZLW5AEjAZ.pmY3mH8Xh.ZOhTKNRJhAqfURbRu8c3UR03zRCDPF2PgT q_FBBt8Hr0JescDq8iTggcTxoMW.5H0Di3jlsUXligWz58oX5j10ZjBDeTF6 8UEjC6cipKMwBKsPamPePEaabiNV.pgpWVdzug8e1aCrAG9wpQiv6C2dEvoY S_8WeNddB.krRG6Q5BDOkJfBBIx4ldIuCHeb0Q3HJp_dyG0JXx7SWIGEMt5U jGABUXBxszSNOxcvYLmYwjI4GRl9A6S1XSWTbONh5xZ2uWcW_LArYCg-- Received: from [86.185.179.223] by web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:28 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCC8CF.5080503@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: <1338825388.36980.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:56:28 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FCCC8CF.5080503@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all Please report my CW + Opera 4 beacon on 501.680 kc/s carrier frequency. Running 1.3watts O/P. Rig valve (tube) 12AU7 Master Osc. 6.500-6.000=0.500meg VXO xtals, 6AU6 mixer with 6CL6 PA cathode keyed with E/M relay. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.63 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: LF: Opera BCN 1.3Watts 501.680. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1386533404-610721640-1338825388=:36980" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:370015168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m014.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf4fccdadb03fb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1386533404-610721640-1338825388=:36980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=0A=A0=0APlease report my CW + Opera 4 beacon on 501.680 kc/s carrier= frequency. Running 1.3watts O/P. Rig valve (tube) 12AU7 Master Osc. 6.500-= 6.000=3D0.500meg VXO=A0xtals, 6AU6 mixer with 6CL6 PA cathode keyed with E/= M relay. =A0=0A=0ANote there is a backwave.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX --1386533404-610721640-1338825388=:36980 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--1386533404-610721640-1338825388=:36980-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2C937380000C5; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3Fe-0000qd-MJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:45:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3Fe-0000qQ-9y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:45:34 +0100 Received: from smtp07.online.nl ([194.134.42.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd3Fc-0000Su-PP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:45:33 +0100 Received: from smtp07.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A4298413 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:45:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s529d275f.adsl.wanadoo.nl [82.157.39.95]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:45:31 +0200 (CEST) From: To: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:45:31 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: <4FD2274D.2080008@xs4all.nl> Importance: Normal X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120608-0, 08-06-2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp07.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Albert,all you have a link where I can download the latest opera software? Like to listen this mode. many thanks [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.134.42.52 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:372590016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fd23a680ed8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Albert,all you have a link where I can download the latest opera software? Like to listen this mode. many thanks Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Albert Verzonden: vrijdag 8 juni 2012 18:25 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz OPERA activity All, Beacon in mode OPERA this evening, dial 500kHz USB, carrier abt. 501.7 kHz. Each transmission starts with my call in normal morse code. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Victor, thanks for your reply. In fact, now I think I will use the 12AU7 for a hi-Z pre-amp for a whip or a tuned loop (this again is just for playing with that old glassy lady :-)). As for the BD139, I didn't even suspect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good for power stages... 73 Daniele IZ5WWB [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 7c7a1907d3a7d57b28660e5fb4c32107 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-73641666-214777344-1340375757=:35583" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:418106560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m002.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fe4831457ea X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---73641666-214777344-1340375757=:35583 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Victor, thanks for your reply. In fact, now I think I will use the 12= AU7 for a hi-Z pre-amp for a whip or a tuned loop (this again is just for p= laying with that old glassy lady :-)). As for the BD139, I didn't even susp= ect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good for power stage= s...=0A73=0ADaniele IZ5WWB=0A=0A=A0=0A =0A=0A______________________________= __=0A Da: "victor13@online.nl" =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org =0AInviato: Venerd=EC 22 Giugno 2012 16:19=0AOggetto: LF: RE: Fe= rrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?=0A =0A=0A =0AHello =0ADaniele, =0A=A0 =0A= some =0Amonths ago I made a broadbanded ferriterod to cope with heavy qrm o= n the 80 and =0A160m band.The ferite comes from a submarine and is specifie= d 10KHz to 4 MHZ with =0Aa symmetrical feedingcable to a ELK675 or other re= ceiver without a preamp.Since =0AI don't have such a receiver I made a bala= nced two stage amp with 4x BD139 =0Agrounded base.The antenna copes good wi= th the QRM on 80 and 160,it also performs =0Avery well on the MW broadcastb= and.In the range 200-500KHz it is sometimes better =0Athan the E-probe,belo= w 200KHz the E-probe wins.IM is no problem but maby the =0Anoise of the amp= is to high below 200KHz. =0AThe =0Aferriterod is about750X100mm! =0AI =0Ad= on't think the 12AU7 is a good choice for a low inputimpedance amp...Zinput= 2X =0ABD139 is about 3 Ohm. =0A=A0 =0A73 =0AGL =0AVictor =0APA3FNY =0A=A0 = =0A-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----=0A>Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele Tincani=0A>= Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 9:42=0A>Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =0A>Onderwerp: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?=0A>=0A> =0A>Hello LF= , =0A>=0A>I apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was already larg= ely debated here. I have seven of those=A0quite known russian surplus ferr= ite rods (20cm x 1cm) and -=A0just for my fun - I'm planning to spend some= time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain a=A0= broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF=A0and/or LF-MF, suitable for o= utdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some suggestions about is = the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in air-core br= oadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? I found an unuse= d 12AU7 in=A0my drawer, could=A0it be effectively=A0chosen as the active = device (low voltage)=A0for=A0such amplifier?=0A> =0A>Thank you for any feed= back =0A>73 =0A>Daniele IZ5WWB =0A> ---73641666-214777344-1340375757=:35583 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Victor, thanks for your reply. In fact, now I think I will use the = 12AU7 for a hi-Z pre-amp for a whip or a tuned loop (this again is just for= playing with that old glassy lady :-)). As for the BD139, I didn't even su= spect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good for power sta= ges...
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
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Da: "victor13@online.nl" <victor13@online.nl&= gt;
A: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org
Inviato: Venerd=EC 22 Giugno 2012 16:19
= Oggetto: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?
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Hel= lo =0ADaniele,
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some =0Amonths ago I made a = broadbanded ferriterod to cope with heavy qrm on the 80 and =0A160m band.Th= e ferite comes from a submarine and is specified 10KHz to 4 MHZ with =0Aa s= ymmetrical feedingcable to a ELK675 or other receiver without a preamp.Sinc= e =0AI don't have such a receiver I made a balanced two stage amp with 4x B= D139 =0Agrounded base.The antenna copes good with the QRM on 80 and 160,it = also performs =0Avery well on the MW broadcastband.In the range 200-500KHz = it is sometimes better =0Athan the E-probe,below 200KHz the E-probe wins.IM= is no problem but maby the =0Anoise of the amp is to high below 200KHz.
=0A
The =0Aferriterod is about7= 50X100mm!
=0A
I =0Adon't thin= k the 12AU7 is a good choice for a low inputimpedance amp...Zinput 2X =0ABD= 139 is about 3 Ohm.
=0A
 
=0A
73
= =0A
GL
=0A
Victor
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: =0A = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org]Namens Daniele =0A Tincani
Verzonden: vrijdag 22= juni 2012 9:42
Aan: =0A rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onde= rwerp: LF: Ferrite broadband =0A (LF-MF) antenna?

= =0A
=0A
Hello LF,
=0A
 
=0A
I apol= ogize to you all for resuming a topic that was already largely =0A debated= here. I have seven of those quite known russian surplus ferrite =0A = rods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun - I'm planning to spend some t= ime =0A in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain =0A= a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF and/or LF-MF, sui= table =0A for outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some sugges= tions about is =0A the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those = used in air-core =0A broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any= ideas? I found an unused =0A 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be ef= fectively chosen as the =0A active device (low voltage) for = ;such amplifier?
=0A
Thank you for any feedback
=0A 73
=0A
Daniele IZ5WWB
=0A
 
=0A


---73641666-214777344-1340375757=:35583-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DD8FB3800008D; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 07:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb8q7-00069P-8z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:19:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb8q6-00069G-EL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:19:18 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb8q3-0000rI-M9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:19:17 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q53BJEPR011764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:19:14 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q53BJEx7016679 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:19:14 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:17:45 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear John, LF, Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following. I agree with Peter stated below and also unsubsribed from the yahoo group 2 days ago. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 14522a7d8bfffcae5e92e35059f18ae1 Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020308060505020507040106" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430212672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fcb486a78b0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020308060505020507040106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear John, LF, Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following. I agree with Peter stated below and also unsubsribed from the yahoo group 2 days ago. There are some arguments that i want to add. Of course these arguments are not acepted to be serious from the pro-change-party. Probably they will not even take the time to read and try to understand a different way of thinking. In this change progress i *missed fundamental democratic steps*! We have been growing as *ONE GROUP* here, so it is a PITY that a small fraction has now splitted the group and talks now in a very bad way about the "old blacksheep" reflector. We should have moved as ONE GROUP as well! 155 members in one week at yahoo is much. But how many have been subsribed to blacksheep? Sure, most of the TOP20 posters and many experts have moved. But there has been a party ("An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE") that suggested the change. Some have agreed and some have disagreed. But the majority didn't state anything. Someone could have been in holidays (or still is) and never got the chance for *codetermination*! BTW no one has had the chance for codermination. There was no vote, maybe in form of a doodle voting. What we saw is that the pro change party accomplished you to start the new group and make an announcement about it here in the group. And then you added a very important subordinate clause: > > I propose to keep this blacksheep.org list > going short-term until we see how people adapt to the new online list. This formulation is here in Germany very well know from the politicans, who often describe a situation and there proposed solution as "alternativlos" (without an alternative). I think THIS is why so many moved to yahoo, they simply think they have no chance to participate what will be done (like in politics!!). So, John, what is if we have been 300 members here at blacksheep, or 1000? Some have very valuable comments from time to time but they stay in the background for most of the time. If you actually shut down this reflector and we loose say 10 % of members (i think it will be more), is that a good decision? I think we should have some respect of what was achieved here on this adress! We are THE LF reflector and not an ordinary yahoo group, one of 10000s... _Let me show you an analogy to this reflector._ The *SAQ* transmitter. There are several people who enjoy each transmission, every year, since many years. The SAQ transmitter is world cultural heritage and many have respect about that old stuff and what was achieved in the past! Imagine someone would come and say "PLEASE CAN WE HAVE A NEW SAQ TRANSMITTER" He states the following arguments: The current SAQ transmitter: -is old -is heavy -is loud -is low efficient -is unstable in frequency -cannot be operated by anyone in any mode -needs a long time to be ready to push the PTT -has problems to easily find replacement parts -has had a failure some months back A new SAQ transmitter has the following advantages: -silent -high efficient class E PA -flexible operation -several new protection circuits making high availability etc. etc... Real arguments, right? So why not throwing the old one on the junk yard and arrange a new one? No, never! Because the transmitter is a part of the history that has been so fascinating. If a small group of the SAQ club actually reach to do that step, many of the members would go for ever! This is what's going on here now! *A SHAME!* There are some features stated by the pro change party why it is worth to move to yahoo, like the permanent storage of files on the yahoo server. But take a look at the development of HDD size of a standard PC and the data transfer rate of internet connections in the last 10 years. So how can the storage of simple emails and some images be a real problem in these days? If it is a problem in these days, it must have been impossible 10 years ago. Furthermore, i see the email exchange here as a more private thing, more like a closed group. Just a subjective feeling. On yahoo, it is official in the web, visible for everyone. That's not the same, that's not fine! Maybe no problem for those who jump arround in 10s of other yahoo groups but i prefer personal contacts. I'm sure there are many who will not comment on the current situation. You see, the comments are coming from less than 30 people. But be sure the group will loose some members! If you think that is worth to do what's going on here, then do what you think to have to do. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 03.06.2012 10:37, schrieb pws: > To John, G3WKL, > > Please do NOT shut down this reflector. > > 1. It's active in positive sense. > > 2. There are too many hams here who say > "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven > Brave New World were each posting will be > "googleable" for ever. Me too. > > That's the reason I unsubscribed from > some Yapoo-Groups recently. > > 73 Peter, df3lp --------------020308060505020507040106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q53BJEPR011764 Dear John, LF,

Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following.

I agree with Peter stated below and also unsubsribed from the yahoo group 2 days ago.

There are some arguments that i want to add. Of course these arguments are not acepted to be serious from the pro-change-party. Probably they will not even take the time to read and try to understand a different way of thinking.

In this change progress i missed fundamental democratic steps! We have been growing as ONE GROUP here, so it is a PITY that a small fraction has now splitted the group and talks now in a very bad way about the "old blacksheep" reflector. We should have moved as ONE GROUP as well! 155 members in one week at yahoo is much. But how many have been subsribed to blacksheep? Sure, most of the TOP20 posters and many experts have moved. But there has been a party ("An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE") that suggested the change. Some have agreed and some have disagreed. But the majority didn't state anything. Someone could have been in holidays (or still is) and never got the chance for codetermination! BTW no one has had the chance for codermination. There was no vote, maybe in form of a doodle voting. What we saw is that the pro change party accomplished you to start the new group and make an announcement about it here in the group. And then you added a very important subordinate clause:


I propose to keep this blacksheep.org list going short-term until we see how people adapt to the new online list.
This formulation is here in Germany very well know from the politicans, who often describe a situation and there proposed solution as "alternativlos" (without an alternative). I think THIS is why so many moved to yahoo, they simply think they have no chance to participate what will be done (like in politics!!).

So, John,=A0 what is if we have been 300 members here at blacksheep, or 1000? Some have very valuable comments from time to time but they stay in the background for most of the time. If you actually shut down this reflector and we loose say 10 % of members (i think it will be more), is that a good decision? I think we should have some respect of what was achieved here on this adress! We are THE LF reflector and not an ordinary yahoo group, one of 10000s...

Let me show you an analogy to this reflector. The SAQ transmitter. There are several people who enjoy each transmission, every year, since many years.
The SAQ transmitter is world cultural heritage and many have respect about that old stuff and what was achieved in the past!
Imagine someone would come and say "PLEASE CAN WE HAVE A NEW SAQ TRANSMITTER" He states the following arguments:
The current SAQ transmitter:
-is old
-is heavy
-is loud
-is low efficient
-is unstable in frequency
-cannot be operated by anyone in any mode
-needs a long time to be ready to push the PTT
-has problems to easily find replacement parts
-has had a failure some months back

A new SAQ transmitter has the following advantages:
-silent
-high efficient class E PA
-flexible operation
-several new protection circuits making high availability

etc. etc...
Real arguments, right? So why not throwing the old one on the junk yard and arrange a new one? No, never! Because the transmitter is a part of the history that has been so fascinating. If a small group of the SAQ club actually reach to do that step, many of the members would go for ever! This is what's going on here now!

A SHAME!

There are some features stated by the pro change party why it is worth to move to yahoo, like the permanent storage of files on the yahoo server. But take a look at the development of HDD size of a standard PC and the data transfer rate of internet connections in the last 10 years. So how can the storage of simple emails and some images be a real problem in these days? If it is a problem in these days, it must have been impossible 10 years ago.

Furthermore, i see the email exchange here as a more private thing, more like a closed group. Just a subjective feeling. On yahoo, it is official in the web, visible for everyone. That's not the same, that's not fine! Maybe no problem for those who jump arround in 10s of other yahoo groups but i prefer personal contacts.

I'm sure there are many who will not comment on the current situation. You see, the comments are coming from less than 30 people. But be sure the group will loose some members!
If you think that is worth to do what's going on here, then do what you think to have to do.

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 03.06.2012 10:37, schrieb pws:
To John, G3WKL,

Please do NOT shut down this reflector.

1. It's active in positive sense.

2. There are too many hams here who say
"no thanks!" to that advertisement driven
Brave New World were each posting will be
"googleable" for ever. Me too.

That's the reason I unsubscribed from
some Yapoo-Groups recently.

73 Peter, df3lp
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FL2000 , with 2 x 813 ? nice amp, my skanti trp5000 has = 2 x 4cx250-b in the PA runs well 1.8/30 Mhz , I use 2 = combined skanti 250 watt solid state 50v linear amps with the = ma1723 for LF>Hf , wide band , just change the ATU hi ..... = could do with a simple class e/d for 500 as the ab1 amps are a = little power hungry ..=20 G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Stefan and Graham Thanks for the comments. None of my MF/LF tx.s run more that 160watts = although by seriesing a couple of PSUs one with a floating ground I can = run about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like seriesing the PSUs so = only do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to build a new high = voltage PSU 100V at a good current rating. The rigs are FET PA IRF840 = etc mostly xtal controlled or xtal mixer type master oscillator (but do = have DDS), into a FET driver chip. And set them as described earlier. I have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s transforming the Low = impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer to drive the = antenna tuner. Front end currently popped!! Using it for QRSS = overnight.Will get it back on soon. My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side issue and am not advocating = them for serious modern MF/LF work. However there is no reason why not. I have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts out = Choke modulated AM and CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on AM on 3.615megs. = The second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now = is again xtal mixer vxo. They use 6CL6 video tubes in the PA. The = 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure out why, it should be = about 5watts. How ever on my new found Opera4 have been reported in PA0 = land (on the limit). I have built and still got one or two 807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking = about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown amateur in the = 1950s and a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 rig on the stocks.... but = probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This to show my thermionic = credentials.... hee! For shear interest I would like to try and make a high efficiency TUBE = PA but probably won't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX = design looks interesting but probably very dodgy to set up, stability = and all. Graham your arc tubes is all very well but what I have read is = that they have a tendency to blow up...... and so do FETs ok so no = change there then. My current limitation to power Stefan is lack of a single stable PSU = with a couple of KW output. The antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and = 128ft top.=20 I don't have a good RX for MF/LF what I have are deaf by others = standards and this is my main area of interest at the moment. I have = used a TS50 and a TS690s full filters plus a couple of direct conversion = HB RX with active filers and notch. Front ends have gone from dual gate mosfet to straight into the mixer = but S/N is still poor evidenced by WSPR and Opera reports I give to = other station who are being received much better elsewhere. If any one = can help me with that then it would make life here on MF/LF a lot = better.=20 Keep the bands open and may get to work you Stefan now you have = 472/9....... why the delay in the UK???? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=E4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012, 22:05 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete, LF,=20 On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% efficiency with a = class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if your antenna = provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround = a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output power), a = well designed class E PA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW RF (CW, key = down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET.=20 I hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but = i can understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, = although i'm not from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier = i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT:=20 Well shoot me down with my britches on fire! Mal=20 I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers = By RCA. I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any = time because I thought they used special valves to achieve the fast = response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode = and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of the anode = one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you get a very = fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned = circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ = http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/ I think the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency = TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work OK = for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away with one = set up. Now to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Pete es Co The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E = and well designed would produce 70% efficiency. The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it = is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage = generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% = efficiency if you are lucky.=20 Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch = to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not = careful about matching to load. I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for = years. Fets are probably more manageable, compact and safer regarding = voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high = current, like an electric chair!! 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 AM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Ken I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes = than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I = won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency = output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an = amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low = resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well = into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is = barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in = terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying = to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive = frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain = will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor = will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the = guide I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if = you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there = is enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on = the sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a = doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that = will detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high = power, efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The = GW3UEP design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom = style unobtainium in the components listing. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Ken To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd = order differential equations, partial integration and integration by = parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional = integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my = Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I = like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike = semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. 73s Ken M0KHW From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Class E etc Hi Ken=20 Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You = need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions = for the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using = a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn = the FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with = accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate = voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for = transients, a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and = inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article = below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave = will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you = don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the = result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some = starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output = conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. = Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well = above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET = is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good = efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply = voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable = of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly = cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct = drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below = shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy = load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope = then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer = my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer = in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak = voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum = peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. = This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two = turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring = the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak. =20 Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work = well. Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers.=20 For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning = Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... = http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-powera= mps.pdf For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a = scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20 http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01CD49D0.C94B8F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Pete .. blow up ? !!......Depends on the  tubes  : = ))  http://home.comcast.= net/~n6jv/data/6C21.pdf
 
This  is what  you need  (with a  bit of = re-work) =20 ..... 
http://= www.radartutorial.eu/08.transmitters/tx06.en.html
VK or Bust  !!
 
FL2000   , with  2  x 813  ?  = nice =20 amp,   my  skanti  trp5000   = has   =20 2 x    4cx250-b   in the  PA  runs = well =20 1.8/30 Mhz  ,   I  use   2  =20 combined  skanti 250 watt solid state 50v   linear = amps =20 with the  ma1723 for  LF>Hf  , wide  band  , =  just change the  ATU  hi .....   could  = do =20 with a  simple  class e/d for  500  as  = the =20 ab1  amps  are a little  power hungry ..
 
G..
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:59 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Hi Stefan and Graham
 
Thanks for the comments. None of my MF/LF tx.s = run more that=20 160watts although by seriesing = a couple of=20 PSUs one with a floating = ground I can run=20 about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like seriesing the PSUs so=20 only do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to build a = new high=20 voltage PSU 100V at a good = current=20 rating. The rigs are FET = PA IRF840 etc mostly xtal controlled or xtal=20 mixer type master oscillator (but do have DDS), into a FET driver chip. And set them as described=20 earlier.
 
I have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s = transforming the=20 Low impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer to drive the = antenna=20 tuner. Front end currently popped!!=20 Using it for QRSS = overnight.Will get it=20 back on soon.
 
My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side issue and am not = advocating=20 them for serious modern MF/LF = work.=20 However there is no reason why not.
 
I have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts out Choke = modulated AM=20 and CW and FSK. Worked most = of UK on AM=20 on 3.615megs. The second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now is again = xtal mixer vxo. They use 6CL6 video tubes in the PA. The = 500kc/s tube=20 tx only runs a watt o/p yet = to figure out=20 why, it should be about 5watts. How ever on my new found Opera4=20 have been reported in PA0 land (on the limit).
I have built and still got one or two 807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown = amateur in the=20 1950s and a Codar T5 and a = push pull 807=20 rig on the stocks.... but probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. = This to=20 show my thermionic credentials.... hee!
 
For shear interest I would like to try and make a high = efficiency=20 TUBE PA but probably won't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX = design=20 looks interesting but probably very dodgy to set up, stability and all. = Graham=20 your arc tubes is all very well but what I have read is that they have a = tendency to blow up...... and so do FETs=20 ok so no change there = then.
 
My current limitation to power Stefan is lack of a single = stable=20 PSU with a couple of KW = output. The=20 antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and 128ft top.
 
I don't have a good RX for MF/LF what I have are deaf by others standards and = this is my=20 main area of interest at the moment. I have used a TS50 and a TS690s = full=20 filters plus a couple of direct conversion HB RX with active filers and = notch.
Front ends have gone from dual gate mosfet to straight into the mixer but S/N is still = poor evidenced by WSPR and Opera reports I give to other station who = are being=20 received much better = elsewhere. If any=20 one can help me with that then it would make life here on MF/LF a lot better.
 
Keep the = bands=20 open and may get to work you Stefan now you have 472/9....... why the delay in the UK????
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, 13 = June 2012,=20 22:05
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 Class E etc

Hi Pete, LF,

On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy = achieve 95%=20 efficiency with a class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! = So if=20 your antenna provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the = highes output power), a well = designed class E=20 PA is definitifely a good = choice! 1 kW RF=20 (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET.
I=20 hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but i = can=20 understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, although = i'm not from the tube generation = ;-) The first=20 power amplifier i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year = old or=20 so :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 13.06.2012 16:51, = schrieb M0FMT:=20
Well shoot me down with = my=20 britches on fire!
 
Mal
I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube = amplifiers By RCA.
I have heard of higher = efficiency=20 Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought they used = special=20 valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on = a tuned=20 circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the = third=20 harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third = hamonic you get a very fast = rising pulse=20 type wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned circuit as with = a class=20 D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/
 
=
I think the point about = this is=20 that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And = probably=20 will work OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may = get away=20 with one set up.
 
Now to see if it is = scalable to=20 lower power video tubes.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Tuesday, 12 = June 2012,=20 19:48
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 Class E etc

Pete es Co
The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or = E and well=20 designed would produce 70% efficiency.
The class D or E is not really an amplifier in = the convential sense it is merely an = RF switch at=20 the frequency of interest and the voltage generated is increased by a = step up=20 transformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency if you are lucky.=20
Like some have said a tube amp is more robust = and=20 tolerant of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not = careful about=20 matching to load.
I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been = going for=20 years.
Fets are probably=20 more manageable, compact  and safer regarding voltages, beware of = tubes=20 with voltages of a few K/volts at high current, like an electric=20 chair!!
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 = 11:15=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E = etc

Hi Ken
 
I believe you=20 can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than = C but=20 they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go into figures but just = think about=20 it. The high efficiency=20 output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an = amplifier.=20 The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance = to fully=20 off (which means a device that will operate well into=20 the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device = that is=20 barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good = (in terms=20 of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are = trying to=20 get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast=20 rate in-order to=20 generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are = not=20 talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although = a scope=20 on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean = looking=20 sine wave. Try it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF=20 file is very clever and is the guide I use to bring a PA into = optimum=20 performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very = well but if=20 you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF=20 then there is enough empirical data from = following=20 the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that = will get=20 you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to = bamboozle you colleagues then = that will=20 detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high = power,=20 efficient TX design well within anybodies = capabilities. The GW3UEP=20 design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the components = listing.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Ken <ken.h.wright@btinterne= t.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Monday, 11 = June=20 2012, 22:09
Subject: LF:=20 RE: Class E etc

Hi Pete.
About 40 years ago my integration was = quite=20 good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, = partial=20 integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big = problems with=20 was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space . =   Looking=20 at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET=20 PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like = valves is=20 because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also = the keep=20 the shack and the cat warm.
 
73s
 
Ken
 
M0KHW
 
From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20 [mailto: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20 ] On Behalf Of=20 M0FMT
Sent: 11=20 June 2012 19:16
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Subject: LF: Class E=20 etc
 
 
Hi Ken =
 
Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration=20 Ken?
 
Here are a couple of sites that = should answer=20 your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. = Setting=20 the conditions for the amplifier is to do with  A/ the correct = driver=20 preferably using a FET=20 drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the = FET fully on and fully off on each = cycle. Very=20 fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). = Ensuring=20 the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they = pop, look=20 out for transients, a diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting the shunt=20 capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be = done empirically = See=20 article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, = although the=20 output wave will be surprisingly= =20 clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't = necessarily=20 know all the starting parameters and in any case the = result=20 is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some = starting=20 values. Best to use 'Scope measurements= to=20 set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / = Off rise=20 times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the=20 key.
These amplifiers are capable of = incredibly good=20 efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat = dissipation=20 from the FET is very low at high=20 power giving cool heat-sinks!
 
The GW3UEP (do=20 a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency&n= bsp;and=20 high power depending upon the FET=20 used and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably = at=20 140watts and is capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with = a heat=20 sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically = using=20 the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is = the way=20 to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set = my TX up=20 into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain = wave=20 shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy = load. I then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to = the=20 input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I = adjust=20 the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the = tuner link=20 turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across = the=20 dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by = either adding=20 or reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with = bringing=20 the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead = current,=20 here you are looking for the maximum=20 peak.  
 
Oh yes and WIMA=20 high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin=20 work well.
 
Read the articles and search info on = class E=20 amplifiers. 
 
 
For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning = Procedure and the=20 pictures at the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Soka= l%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
 
For design=20 ideas
=
 
For a good practical circuit for a = single ended=20 amp that  is a scalable = surefire=20 design, no need to reinvent the = wheel.
 
=
For antennas and antenna feed methods = a "look=20 no where else site"
http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/
 
73 es GL=20 Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=
<= /DIV>

 

<= BR>

------=_NextPart_000_0076_01CD49D0.C94B8F90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6A0853800009B; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShDvn-0000U0-VR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:58:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShDvn-0000Tr-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:58:19 +0100 Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com ([74.125.82.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShDvl-00007A-EU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:58:17 +0100 Received: by wgbfa7 with SMTP id fa7so5354699wgb.28 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:58:15 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=h5Za0cVWlbioO9CmHbBNJ3IpiKuQqVMQ1E7hGbAZt/c=; b=Ve1joE6u3uzY2SLZhKILNZqIQ1aCi7iYVziW9eJypPbh236jRL5D02kfFD1kGJi87w QFPNk225L6Na0tk+uWq5qZLLviB+kp9Ief6k3S766voV1Ase21b77WjbfysfkbKs3lgJ P6b2GzHWUTQFaoRWOp9Tmy7ZdGG0+23tSs/CU3bVdswIcOME+qWWrVknSq81NJLEI+O4 dHN5P3TI0mtJwMsKlCe1SFavoCn/DCsxSHVOT6cI1Q4ZRhitIpQaunE8Ez1AOVL0QLd2 /boH4c40Iqoc6DNnEWWdaI97vUl9MUl+7IelthZc7/Kve4dCci26np+Gqqkd5qS7eFri jKsw== Received: by 10.216.142.146 with SMTP id i18mr12534825wej.74.1340171895678; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.88.180.111] (ip-109-47-0-111.web.vodafone.de. 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Content preview: ... 800 Hz bandwidth: that calls for a repetition of a Slow Voice SSB QSO Markus, DF6NM and I had a few years back on 137 kHz. We recorded our voices, slowed them down by 4 times to reduce the bandwidth down to a 600 Hz range and transmitted this signal through an SSB transmitter. On the receiving side we recorded the signal and expanded it again to a normal voice by speeding up the recording by 4 times. We were able to exchange callsigns, reports and a few words. Markus, are you ready for another round on MF? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dk8kw.di2bo[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:376295168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d289.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fe166dd5f7d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ... 800 Hz bandwidth: that calls for a repetition of a Slow Voice SSB QSO Ma= rkus, DF6NM and I had a few years back on 137 kHz. We recorded our voices, s= lowed them down by 4 times to reduce the bandwidth down to a 600 Hz range an= d transmitted this signal through an SSB transmitter. On the receiving side w= e recorded the signal and expanded it again to a normal voice by speeding up= the recording by 4 times. We were able to exchange callsigns, reports and a= few words. Markus, are you ready for another round on MF? 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO On 19.06.2012, at 14:47, pa3abk wrote: > Tks Tom, >=20 > It's an indication what we could expect from our "Beh=C3=B6rde". >=20 > - 800Hz bandwidth no restriction in mode. :-) >=20 > I like this one: > "die maximale Leistung nur dann auszusch=C3=B6pfen, wenn es zur Aufrechter= haltung einer Funkverbindung > oder f=C3=BCr experimentelle Zwecke als zwingend notwendig erachtet wird. = " >=20 > "exploit the maximum power only, in order to maintain a radio link or for e= xperimental purposes as deemed necessary." >=20 > - with 1W erp! >=20 > Jan/pa3abk >=20 > On 19-6-2012 13:57, DK1IS wrote: >> Dear group, >>=20 >> to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the MF-= allocation in Germany which I=C2=B4ve got today via email from our authorisi= ng agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). >>=20 >> 73 and cul on MF! >>=20 >> Tom, DK1IS >> JN59WK >=20 >=20 > --=20 > pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 16F2638000092; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShFQo-0000q5-Up for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:34:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShFQo-0000pw-9t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:34:26 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShFQm-0000WA-IU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:34:25 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhkFAKt74U9cHY/O/2dsb2JhbABFoA6VX4EIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQEIh3aoM5Emiy6Cf4McA4gShTWXY4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,441,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542410128" Received: from host-92-29-143-206.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.143.206]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2012 08:34:22 +0100 Message-ID: <003d01cd4eb7$1b167250$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <001301cd4e5b$49a430a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE10D99.2030003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:34:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Yes Stefan Invitation to BBQ at G3KEV QTH Bring your own BUFFALO I will supply the HAY mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:39 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 [...] Content analysis details: (0.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f45514038df04b1035abb1d5446da941 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4EB7.1ACEE200" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:420057696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d54fe17d4c2c67 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4EB7.1ACEE200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Stefan=20 Invitation to BBQ at G3KEV QTH------------- Bring your own BUFFALO = ----------I will supply the HAY mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:39 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW.=20 HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is = what they sleep on as a bed. ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left = with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus = other things. Move to the countryside for quality of life Oh is this an invitation? :-) All the reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would = have enough area for us all. Which day do you suggest. And please can we get a tutorial how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, = i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-) de dk7fc for example at a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in = the city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe the tail In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ tripe, black sausage = and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be = prepared!! Meanwhile back to MF es LF, I am now CQ on 502 but search the band = and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4EB7.1ACEE200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes Stefan
Invitation to BBQ at G3KEV QTH------------- = Bring your own=20 BUFFALO ----------I will supply the HAY
 
mal/g3kev
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 11:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay = 034


Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
Stefan
You city folks are getting confused between = HAY and=20 STRAW.
HAY is what animals EAT,  mostly = cattle, sheep=20 and Horses STRAW is what they sleep on as a bed.
ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, = this is what=20 you are left with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour = for=20 example plus other things.

Move to the countryside for quality of=20 life
Oh is this an invitation? :-)
All = the=20 reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would have = enough area=20 for us all. Which day do you suggest.

And please can we get a = tutorial=20 how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop?=20 :-)

de dk7fc


for example at a BBQ country folks roast a = whole steer=20 whereas in the city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe = the=20 tail
In Liverpool they are very particular and = BBQ =20 tripe, black sausage and pig squeal. Graham will have more = details, if=20 you go there be prepared!!
Meanwhile back to MF es LF,  I am now = CQ on 502=20 but search the band and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz=20 spectrum
 
de g3kev
 
 

------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4EB7.1ACEE200-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F34FA38000090; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scji0-0005WD-3M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:53:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scjhz-0005W4-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:53:31 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scjhx-0004Rf-EK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:53:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57KrRje027815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:53:27 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57KrRE1013884 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:53:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD1146A.4050602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:51:54 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q57KrRje027815 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jan, Thanks for the email, most interesting! So i'm really looking forward to such special condx! Do i understand you correctly, you have had a 2-way QSO on 500 kHz with a PY station? Sounds as magic as 50 MHz or so. Ah, when i read to the end to your mail it rather sounds as if you have been working as the radio operator on a ship? I have an idea: Tell it to me in a loooooooong MF CW QSO, rag chewing as some say... :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 1bc6486c2865e7dc2ff7578e6d7fc226 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430754848:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4fd114fd5bc1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jan, Thanks for the email, most interesting! So i'm really looking forward to=20 such special condx! Do i understand you correctly, you have had a 2-way=20 QSO on 500 kHz with a PY station? Sounds as magic as 50 MHz or so. Ah, when i read to the end to your mail it rather sounds as if you have=20 been working as the radio operator on a ship? I have an idea: Tell it to me in a loooooooong MF CW QSO, rag chewing as=20 some say... :-) Also thanks for the IARU link. What i find interesting is the comment=20 from TF2JB. I wonder if TF3HZ knows him? Maybe a good adress to ask for=20 common projects with Iceland below 1 MHz. 73, Stefan Am 07.06.2012 19:57, schrieb pa3abk: > Stefan, > I have experience as a "former" user of 500kHz. > Under certain conditions there are "ducts" which enables you with low=20 > power to cover large distances. > One of my favourites was EU to Brazil. Mostly in the last watch=20 > Northsea traffic was loud and clear audible off coast Rio. > This condition could last for hours. You could contact the EU=20 > coaststation rather easy on their working channels with 250W shipstx. > However high QRN in Brazil is rather problematic but sometimes the=20 > condx coincided with low QRN. > Offshore, QRN can be considerable less. > I experienced these "tunnels" also between LA & Hawaii and LA & New=20 > Zealand. > Leaving Red Sea Indian Ocean to Perth radio was also a nice link.=20 > (7000km!) > At that time I consider it as "normal" not realising that nowadays=20 > these are remarkable events if you put in hamradio perspective. > > BTW understand that Monaco seems to be 1st official country on 472kHz=20 > as from 18/5-2012. > http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle&id= =3D993:claude-passet&catid=3D53:spectrum=20 > > > Hopefully all EU countries implement this new QRG at the same time,=20 > otherwise you must keep a database in order to know were to listen for=20 > which country. > Somewhere from 439-510kHz. > EU and making decisions together worries me. > Jan/pa3abk > > > On 7-6-2012 12:45, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> Hi Joe, LF, >> >> Yes, we're here of course :-) >> Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy=20 >> narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. >> BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them=20 >> when the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an=20 >> extended frequency range then or will you have to QSY? >> And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection?=20 >> Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? >> It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however=20 >> with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> >> Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: >>> >>> Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... >>> >>> The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and >>> a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. >>> >>> 73 >>> Joe VO1NA >>> >>> This electronic communication is governed by the terms and=20 >>> conditions at >>> http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_20= 12.php=20 >>> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5B93338000085; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeBrs-0006nb-Hi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:09:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeBrr-0006nS-82 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:09:43 +0100 Received: from nm23-vm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.109.236]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeBrh-00050z-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:09:42 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.55] by nm23.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2012 21:09:31 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2012 21:09:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2012 21:09:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 681373.39015.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 39191 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2012 21:09:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=vlupXLB4byBiybcklduC03RVsj+bH6VCkNF4kwimZeNOkKeuEksNeg5LOIv6k4mQm3xbwJInIsn9fMdaNqitUsPao24LJCQ80kyzTPc/UWhG5XqOhBqbzXd5luvSSUiZDRamRxdT8DH5j8ET3JpkV4JUqVgCklUSkXBkuyny02I= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1339448971; bh=E7ebC3TaeotGku5gHJ6vJBnzyWvbxB5fn+V+CLkuQBE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=wRo/SexzR4ljaAmO2reXXmGPvTqET9ClICmblXyrToe+bTO34DGpNTWixwAwH03Ffrg8q0W+IirgPWbGfTGmQZlEQvm66H1y0pTDgvsZycv+jpSlzRkJp0oyHQJXgu3XwAZC0EyFnTOJp+FixirXvW/luqfkgHO8QxGGaAE0XjM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: _wQDfGoVM1lqYzu2RHKAMAnhcwKuWp36oQwJE5O9defsMsg oiqPBmBrTtippI7xrM9raf69JbBhr952O6pEPV26_2FpT0Dq0QnY3lOWVgzI xnJ5_2BC2r8HuztNlSfH8GMM1c1IOBFao5XkGtwjfSqyjWPFJcl3aPaw8xyi u7n7i3i4yC_20qwkCT4PErpj85Fc9FcATB4VkpgrCv8Fnim36GP9FUvdnLm3 AyLsU75nb2eRpghTZPqy2.22u5G1QAlDzLx7N4mr_IA.Fw.OVCdu1I21cM_a QMMvDNjeNC_wnH0gYZ5TSmnE3o9IyuFwpGXRcAgaIScSVRMcVJOZIFr4G6H2 7Chy50IouDnzilefn0jDoooEG2kZs6yKrjoX8pa2cd5OraUE7qqorped35EB rZpTQp3PwIm03hliiTUUKcB56zsTGWqJtvsVz6302ojtpl6kDaueahiOdAFq LhTlHswqTDP6bGjwiwxWoRuOVFoxHQL.RUIbSQBQWXwFK1pxUFlhhuEjOLxa aaeK7j_77svx6FdJtW8B4zu7HBSLs_rD.HpqchGexgRY_QE2CoT2jgxjvGcj J_X06iwcRH.3yvj4y03luPV28zeGcR1DGPzEtaGLDYea.FiO4dxxYlW1fyLx sSnAl15l4BlU4Rl4.CtU6hXHt3bn4cpVJAyKqyrnzYRROUkEiTQggIzev0wI gnsoD4TE7dkVDKVjWUvji33fUwXsjGA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- Received: from lindavideo (ken.h.wright@86.173.47.194 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2012 21:09:31 +0000 GMT From: "Ken" To: References: <1339438549.67345.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:09:29 +0100 Message-ID: <85F124CBD59C48FEB97567F3B69B2AC1@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1339438549.67345.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Ac1H/oV2i2xgB10XT2ejxDesHLhCQwAFkdwQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.236 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 8ff58773d0c146c762104379ddf38dc0 Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01CD481E.DFCC2850" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:494863616:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d223.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fd65f0107a6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CD481E.DFCC2850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. 73s Ken M0KHW _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Class E etc Hi Ken Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak. Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work well. Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers. For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps .pdf For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site" http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CD481E.DFCC2850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Pete.

About 40 years ago my integration = was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, = partial integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems = with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space .   Looking = at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by = default. The reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving devices = unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat = warm.

 

73s

 

Ken

 

M0KHW

 

From: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 11 June 2012 = 19:16
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Class E = etc

 

 

Hi Ken

 

Ha ha Stefan, how good = is your Integration Ken?

 

Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a good = dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier = is to do with  A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like = TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully = off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is = not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although = the output wave will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily = know all the starting parameters and in any case the result = is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. = Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off = rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the = key.

These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy = class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks= !

 

The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twice = that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and = C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the = way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up = into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape = on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I = then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. = I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner = link turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the = dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by either adding = or reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing = the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead = current, here you are looking for the maximum = peak.  

 

Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work = well.

 

Read the articles and search info on class E = amplifiers. 

 

 

For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure = and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sok= al%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf

 

For design ideas

 

For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that  is a = scalable = surefire design, no need to reinvent the = wheel.

 

For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site" =

 

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Now it's raining... I configured the grabber window for QRSS-3. However some dB may be lost due to QRN and the netbooks power supply. For the strong stations... Here a picture from the mobile shack: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DSC04367.JPG [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 046f068074e745d5c60ca47deee9b503 Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:413804576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fd2713c58c2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Now it's raining... I configured the grabber window for QRSS-3. However some dB may be lost due to QRN and the netbooks power supply. For the strong stations... Here a picture from the mobile shack: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DSC04367.JPG 73,Stefan/DK7FC Am 08.06.2012 15:25, schrieb Mike Dennison: > Stefan, > > I can offer a sked, but what sort of transmission do you want? > > Your CW sigs are very good again today with less static - see the > picture on my new activity blog: http://g3xdv.blog.com > The picture shows DCF39 only a little stronger than you - this is > rubbish of course, as that station was leaking round my CW filter. > > 73 de Mike > ======== > > > >> Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and >> experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and >> shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ >> (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49FV26GJ). If someone of the >> others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some >> images to >> http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html >> Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I >> will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3724538000087; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShIh4-00023v-Gw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:03:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShIh3-00023m-Um for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:03:25 +0100 Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.95]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShIh1-00025A-Gh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:03:24 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5KB3I4L031112 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:03:18 -0400 Received: from core-msc005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.209]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E047CE000089 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:03:17 -0400 (EDT) References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Webmail 36451-STANDARD Received: from 194.138.39.54 by Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com (205.188.108.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:03:17 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF1CEB6E3DA560-2320-13390@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [194.138.39.54] Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:03:17 -0400 (EDT) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81607 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340190198; bh=ZhpO7/umiHlHPdBUrdWUNfKjwRWB0DIECYPqYJPTfsw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EyxxAkzqi6+8iWLy9KWWCVD4mjI5NdES+a02+9lK9DO04yLcOoHG9Dvcsd6IRkbQl cA0J48BA6E/fNY3jNKH7CneXladK/0Mj5h0gtXTM2aycI0PfgSvoQ9A3053lTRnmSL HCEm98VaiakbE4QX3EaHGyhlCdOTk5e+Y3W2gREk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:449480320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, you can define a marker which lets you pull the FFT filter frequency with the mouse. In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the FFT filter used to crash with complex I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the recent b08. 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SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------MB_8CF1CEB6E498C40_2320_501BD_Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81607 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472534592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d226.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4fe1ae262fbf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF1CEB6E498C40_2320_501BD_Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF1CEB6E498C40_2320_501BE_Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com" ----------MB_8CF1CEB6E498C40_2320_501BE_Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Stefan, as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, you can defi= ne a marker which lets you pull the FFT filter frequency with the mouse.=20 In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the FFT filter used to crash with co= mplex I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the recent b08. Thanks Wolf, wo= rks like a charm ;-) Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mi, 20 Jun 2012 12:13 am Betreff: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW ... SDR programs Sorry Rik, i heared (probably) you calling me but i didn't catch your=20 all. PA3ABK was reasonable strong. The QSB, yes.. So maybe next time.. Another question: Those of you who have a wideband RX (SDR for example),=20 hich SDR software do you use to surf over the band? There is one from=20 2PHD and i saw another one that is based on Linux. Recommendations=20 lease. I would like to download one tonite and don't know the program=20 ith the best features. pecLab is a bit uncomfortable if the rx frequency of the filter should=20 e changed continuously... 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe: actually 501.2kHz. Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. You are 579 with the usual QSB. I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared ERP= abt=20 W. 73, Rik ON7YD ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g]=20 amens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse Jan/pa3abk On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: =20 > just in case someone wants... > I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > =20 -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it =20 ----------MB_8CF1CEB6E498C40_2320_501BE_Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Hi Stefan,
 
as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, you can=  define a marker which lets you pull the FFT filter fre= quency with the mouse.
 
In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the FFT filter used t= o crash with complex I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the re= cent b08. Thanks Wolf, works like a charm ;-)
 
Best 73,
Markus
 

 
= -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mi, 20 Jun 2012 12:13 am
Betreff: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW ... SDR programs

Sorry =
Rik, i heared (probably) you calling me but i didn't catch your=20
call. PA3ABK was reasonable strong. The QSB, yes.. So maybe next time..

Another question: Those of you who have a wideband RX (SDR for example),=20
which SDR software do you use to surf over the band? There is one from=20
I2PHD and i saw another one that is based on Linux. Recommen=
dations=20
please. I would like to download one tonite and don't know the program=20
with the best features.
SpecLab is a bit uncomfortable if the rx frequency of the filter should=20
be changed continuously...

73, Stefan

Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe:
> actually 501.2kHz.
> Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck.
> You are 579 with the usual QSB.
> I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared=
 ERP abt=20
1W.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD
>
> ________________________________________
> Van: owner-rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20
namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl]
> Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30
> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@bla=
cksheep.org
> Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW
>
> Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse
> Jan/pa3abk
>
> On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote:
>   =20
>> just in case someone wants...
>> I will call until 22 UT if no one replies...
>>
>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>>
>>
>>     =20
>
> --
> pa3abk<->  dordrecht jo21it
>   =20
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Alex Tnx for the report. I was trying to see how early I could be received in Moscow which was around 2130. Condx were getting better but I went QRT. Maybe tonite I will try again and stay on longer. 73 es gl de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 2ee80849a5d572dbc974bb207a527753 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Emailing: EU (2) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD51DB.F5C887E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:504284288:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fe6c3a02d27 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD51DB.F5C887E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alex Tnx for the report. I was trying to see how early I could be received in = Moscow which was around 2130. Condx were getting better but I went QRT. = Maybe tonite I will try again and stay on longer. 73 es gl de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex K=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:27 AM Subject: LF: Re: LF: Emailing: EU (2) Hello Mal, LF! It is the first time of summer reception of UK LF station for me, = thank you Mal. Also rcvd DK7FC. 73 de rn3aus/Alex Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:52:39 -0000 =D0=BE=D1=82 "mal hamilton" = : LF Making it to the Moscow grabber on 136.173 Khz around 2130 utc = KEV QRS 30 Now QRT de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD51DB.F5C887E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Alex
Tnx for the report. I was trying to see how = early I could=20 be received in Moscow which was around 2130. Condx were getting better = but I=20 went QRT. Maybe tonite I will try again and stay on longer.
73 es gl de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex K =
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 = 5:27 AM
Subject: LF: Re: LF: Emailing: = EU=20 (2)

Hello Mal, LF!
It is the first time of summer = reception of=20 UK LF station for me, thank you Mal.
Also rcvd DK7FC.
73 de=20 rn3aus/Alex

Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:52:39 -0000 =D0=BE=D1=82 "mal = hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
LF
Making it to the Moscow grabber on 136.173=20 Khz around 2130 = utc      KEV
QRS 30
Now QRT
de g3kev
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Just unsubscribed from the yahoo group after an handful of days. Hopefully in the near future I will receive only one half of messages about this (puzzling) contention between lists. Regards Daniele Da: Stefan Schäfer A: Lunedì 4 Giugno 2012 16:50 Oggetto: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.214 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="671563967-1794950673-1338822027=:5930" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:455795296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m015.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40924fcccdc337b1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --671563967-1794950673-1338822027=:5930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just unsubscribed from the yahoo group after an handful of days. Hopefully = in the near future I will receive only one half of messages about this (puz= zling) contention between lists.=0ARegards=0ADaniele=0A =0A=0A_____________= ___________________=0A Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: Luned=EC 4 Giugno 20= 12 16:50=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep=0A =0AHi Clive, LF,=0A=0AFor = those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account = it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo par= ty. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further= members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.=0A= =0AMy vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise.= As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has = to win and the other will be shut down after some time.=0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7= FC=0A=0AAm 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:=0A> If you have voted it= is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends.=0A>=A0 =A0 --671563967-1794950673-1338822027=:5930 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just unsubscribed from the yahoo group after an handful of days. Hopefull= y in the near future I will receive only one half of messages about this (p= uzzling) contention between lists.
Regards
Daniele

=
Da:= Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><= br> A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Inviato: Luned=EC 4 Giu= gno 2012 16:50
Oggetto: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep

Hi Clive, LF,

For = those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account = it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo par= ty. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further= members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.
<= br>My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise.= As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has = to win and the other will be shut down after some time.

73, Stefan/D= K7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
> If you have = voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends.
>   



--671563967-1794950673-1338822027=:5930-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0063D38000094; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfHvZ-0008Ia-EP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:50:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfHvY-0008IR-Kc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:50:04 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfHvW-0002im-1V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:50:03 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.46.125]) by mwinf5d25 with ME id NMpx1j0052i31Ua03Mpxhd; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:50:00 +0200 Message-ID: <2ECF51C901E94F7AA4214A38B6EA87BF@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:49:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120614-1, 14/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Good chance of a RA decode ? G. [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: cb8f4d9b6be68419653ce9b3f17d575f Subject: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4A80.05563EE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:304034592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fda5ce12c02 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4A80.05563EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR =20 Good chance of a RA decode ? G. Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC)=20 PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:44=20 PA0A G0KTN 600m OPERA 623 kms 21:40:52=20 PA3ABK G0KTN 600m OPERA 491 kms 18:53:57=20 PA0A G3XDV 600m OPERA 465 kms 21:40:53=20 PA3ABK G3XDV 600m OPERA 337 kms 18:53:58=20 PA0A PA3ABK 600m OPERA 186 kms 21:40:51=20 PA0A PA0LPN 600m OPERA 140 kms 20:41:39=20 PA3ABK PA0LPN 600m OPERA 71 kms 18:53:57=20 PA3ABK PA0LCE 600m OPERA 54 kms 18:53:58=20 PA0A PA0A 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:35=20 RA3TTS RA3TTS 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:45=20 PA0BIE PA0BIE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:15:09=20 PA0LCE PA0LCE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:38:51=20 M0FMT M0FMT 600m OPERA 0 kms 20:44:28=20 RX3DHR RX3DHR 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:40:29=20 PA3ABK PA3ABK 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:39:02=20 RN3AGC RN3AGC 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:38:55=20 G3XDV G3XDV 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:37:32=20 PA0LPN PA0LPN 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:38=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4A80.05563EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Opera  500Khz monitors  RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR 
 
Good chance of  a  RA  decode  ?
 
G.
 
 
Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC) PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:44 PA0A G0KTN 600m OPERA 623 kms 21:40:52 PA3ABK G0KTN 600m OPERA 491 kms 18:53:57 PA0A G3XDV 600m OPERA 465 kms 21:40:53 PA3ABK G3XDV 600m OPERA 337 kms 18:53:58 PA0A PA3ABK 600m OPERA 186 kms 21:40:51 PA0A PA0LPN 600m OPERA 140 kms 20:41:39 PA3ABK PA0LPN 600m OPERA 71 kms 18:53:57 PA3ABK PA0LCE 600m OPERA 54 kms 18:53:58 PA0A PA0A 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:35 RA3TTS RA3TTS 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:45 PA0BIE PA0BIE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:15:09 PA0LCE PA0LCE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:38:51 M0FMT M0FMT 600m OPERA 0 kms 20:44:28 RX3DHR RX3DHR 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:40:29 PA3ABK PA3ABK 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:39:02 RN3AGC RN3AGC 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:38:55 G3XDV G3XDV 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:37:32 PA0LPN PA0LPN 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:38
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4A80.05563EE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2FEA438000086; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkttR-0005R6-4H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:23:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkttQ-0005Qx-Lc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:23:04 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13] helo=smtpa2.mediabeam.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkttO-0004ug-Pw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:23:03 +0100 Received: from IMAP1 (balancer7.mediabeam.com [10.100.1.80]) by smtpa2.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5U9MxAZ010298 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:22:59 +0200 Received: from [192.168.178.33] (37-4-36-228-dynip.superkabel.de [37.4.36.228] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpa.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5U9MvhI010279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:22:59 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEEC581.7020804@kabelmail.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:23:13 +0200 From: DK1IS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00a901cd563a$b02b6be0$0200a8c0@boxa> <4FEE2407.3050603@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEE2407.3050603@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Am 29.06.2012 23:54, schrieb Stefan Schäfer: > MF, > > It becomes better! > > I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver like > the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It will > be easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm -> 18 > kOhm -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small box > and then there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and others > behave on long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas... > > 73, Stefan > Hi Stefan, [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f1498eebf16822c5ea85527a90413169 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090003070508050409060405" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:329035136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b4feec5be5b62 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090003070508050409060405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtpa.mediabeam.com id q5U9MvhI010279 Am 29.06.2012 23:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > MF, > > It becomes better! > > I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver like=20 > the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It will=20 > be easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm -> 18=20 > kOhm -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small box=20 > and then there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and others=20 > behave on long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas... > > 73, Stefan > Hi Stefan, using those filters in the antenna circuit of a rx keep in mind that the=20 maximum input voltage is rather limited due to the high internal Q of=20 the mechanical resonators. Here I have some 200-kHz-units from RFT with=20 maximum input voltage of 2V resp. -10 dB relative to what ever. So be=20 careful when using them with a seperat rx antenna! 73, Tom, DK1IS --------------090003070508050409060405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtpa.mediabeam.com id q5U9MvhI010279 Am 29.06.2012 23:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer:
MF,

It becomes better!

I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver like the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It will be easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm -> 18 kOhm -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small box and then there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and others behave on long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas...

73, Stefan

Hi Stefan,

using those filters in the antenna circuit of a rx keep in mind that the maximum input voltage is rather limited due to the high internal Q of the mechanical resonators. Here I have some 200-kHz-units from RFT with maximum input voltage of 2V resp. -10 dB relative to what ever. So be careful when using them with a seperat rx antenna!

73,
Tom, DK1IS
--------------090003070508050409060405-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 629AD3800008B; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbWE7-00030R-I3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:17:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbWE6-00030I-Ms for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:17:38 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbWE4-0006RG-BV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:17:37 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Am0FAPimzE9cF/mQ/2dsb2JhbABEnlIDhQCHYAGIb4EIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQEJh2MDDwesPw2JTooxYIYQA4gNhTCIbYlshHuCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,712,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="37063182" Received: from host-92-23-249-144.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.249.144]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 13:17:28 +0100 Message-ID: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 12:17:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Reference postings from G3XBM I am concerned about items 9 and 10 Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR What ever happens avoid him as a moderator [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64bc660a83b79b15f4c44d2b2147e02d Subject: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD424C.0108E400" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:491941952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fcca7b673d5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD424C.0108E400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reference postings from G3XBM I am concerned about items 9 and 10 Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those VETTING = and what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a different = opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR What ever happens avoid him as a moderator de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan Melia ; Stefan Sch=E4fer ; = Markus Vester ; James Moritz=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest that the = LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group? In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or = problems with any group to which I belong or moderate. Instead they have had these advantages: 1.. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered = in-boxes) 2.. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before = messages are received.=20 3.. All messages are archived and searchable. 4.. Large files can be stored. 5.. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth. 6.. Links can be stored/shared 7.. Videos can be stored. 8.. Polls can be run.=20 9.. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderators = to speed up the process) 10.. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. 11.. Spam messages can be filtered 12.. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc)=20 The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot understand = why the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this week it is = surely time. To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would = take about 30 seconds and migration to it by all interested members here = would take about a day at most. All you need is to agree a group name, = who owns it, who can moderate posts and some basic group ground = rules/FAQs. Please, think about it again.=20 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD424C.0108E400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Reference postings from G3XBM
I am concerned about items 9  and = 10
Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members=20 banned.
Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the = credentials of=20 those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a=20 different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of=20 HUMOUR
What ever happens avoid him as a = moderator
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ;=20 Alan Melia ; Stefan Sch=E4fer ; = Markus=20 Vester ; James Moritz
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 = 9:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" = Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE

With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again = suggest=20 that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group?

In over 10 = years I=20 have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or problems with any = group to=20 which I belong or moderate.

Instead they have had these = advantages:
  1. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered=20 in-boxes)
  2. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before = messages are=20 received.=20
  3. All messages are archived and searchable.
  4. Large files can be stored.
  5. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.
  6. Links can be stored/shared
  7. Videos can be stored.
  8. Polls can be run.=20
  9. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderators = to speed=20 up the process)
  10. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
  11. Spam messages can be filtered
  12. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc) =
The=20 advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot understand why = the=20 change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this week it is surely = time.

To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or = whatever)=20 would take about 30 seconds and migration to it by all interested = members here=20 would take about a day at most. All you need is to agree a group name, = who=20 owns it, who can moderate posts and some basic group ground=20 rules/FAQs.

Please, think about it again.

73s
Roger = G3XBM
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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

= ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD424C.0108E400-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 54F62380000BA; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfzWq-0000i8-85 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:23:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfzWp-0000hz-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:23:27 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfzWn-0003iT-J7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:23:26 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.185]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:23:25 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.20]) by cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:23:24 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:23:24 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCEB38.9090807@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:23:20 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2012 20:23:24.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1A4DEA0:01CD4BFD] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, I can hear you, marginal... In QSO some other DL station (?) But maybe it's better to listen on 501kHz, possible the filter is less attenuated there. Have my doubts, because you are very deep in the noise (and static) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:447404672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494fdceb685962 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, I can hear you, marginal... In QSO some other DL station (?) But maybe it's better to listen on 501kHz, possible the filter is less attenuated there. Have my doubts, because you are very deep in the noise (and static) FYI I have H24 solid CW QSO with g3xiz mostly S-7/8 about same distance both using about 100W. Jan/pa3abk NNNN On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Schfer wrote: > MF, > > Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter > in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the > input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much > better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still > not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. > > My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look > for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters > in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth > a try. > > Starting now! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B645C38000083; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgEz9-0005lG-63 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:53:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgEz8-0005l7-Pv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:53:42 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgEz6-0006nz-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:53:41 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5HCrd0w028138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:53:40 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5HCrdhM000984 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:53:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDDD2ED.4030701@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:51:57 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1339856589.169975917@f7.mail.ru>, <4FDD2024.2080507@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDDDF12.7289.582D18E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4FDDDF12.7289.582D18E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5HCrd0w028138 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mike, Yes, sure. And 73 kHz is very easy compared to 8.97 kHz and 8.97 kHz is very easy compared to 5.17 kHz :-)) 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: LF: rn3aus grabber online Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427100000:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194fddd3880186 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Mike, Yes, sure. And 73 kHz is very easy compared to 8.97 kHz and 8.97 kHz is=20 very easy compared to 5.17 kHz :-)) 73, Stefan Am 17.06.2012 14:43, schrieb Mike Dennison: > On 17 Jun 2012 at 2:09, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > > =20 >> Ah, BTW, see that tiny little MF coil beside the LF coil!! LF is stil >> the real hard stuff! :-) >> =20 > Yes, that's what we used to say when 136kHz came along. Easy compared > to the 12mH coils we used on 73kHz! > > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B0285380000A9; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlvW-00019n-Jg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:16:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlvW-00019e-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:16:18 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShlvT-0001yA-8W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:16:17 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.197] (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.14.177]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MICfi-1SkWoN1TyQ-003rzX; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:16:13 +0200 References: From: Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7243F07E-68B2-4DD7-B4EC-5C840DF39EA5@dk8kw.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:16:03 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:ymDe2FkU6Rk3i2fX6TgB7iU4+Kadxux/tU7qa5FkGp/ H9wxZo7VOSKjK90L24gZbnv83XChexam6FZdOOOqGbf94WXJGI YKiNp3zxPLC5uifW7OhX0x8DeKQamJ0LDONcE4naQmuFbUZffQ a0x4LI3OH/az2URNM436fYwCekQ5f6AeFx2+AlENqM/DKc7hyN Qy9rCOhmaTGyly2SHV+1x1RLZLXujjpCHgfz2WKbrzUfguCQ6S 5o2M/AU/T0lZ03SZ2oFpbBeG2/jfxU9F3bW4pU5ms0ZbeiTMhg NC059HbtPLlezf3KAeodFx8dS9C+mGvsRo0zPBTZkv7zwPEbE+ 5mpWrakUs/hDc8Oia4ObfJo33TaaUiwuDYeVLYMI9 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Uwe, Thanks for the report. I will try not to be a crocodile and will further improve my receiver. So far I worked a few stations on groundwave such as DL2HRE and DF4AY. Looking forward having a QSO with you! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 T_FRT_STOCK2 BODY: ReplaceTags: Stock (2) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fbdd513523001863775249cfaf215eac Subject: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-F7302764-9EDF-4987-AE20-C2FEBFD8104F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448718400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fe3652c206a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-F7302764-9EDF-4987-AE20-C2FEBFD8104F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Uwe, Thanks for the report. I will try not to be a crocodile and will further imp= rove my receiver. So far I worked a few stations on groundwave such as DL2HR= E and DF4AY. Looking forward having a QSO with you! 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO On 21.06.2012, at 19:54, uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de wrote: > Hi Geri, > and your signs at 472.5kHz are 599 in jo43sv. me and an other D-stn tried t= o answer your CQ call some nights ago. sri, but no reaction. > GL > Uwe/dj8wx >=20 > Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Gesendet: 20.06.2012 20:34 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams >=20 >=20 > Hello Horst, >=20 > On 20.06.2012, at 09:54, "Horst St=C3=B6cker" wrot= e: >=20 >> Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implemen= tation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. What w= as the maximum power in WRC2012? >=20 > WRC2012 allocation: 1 Watt EIRP or under speciai conditions: up to 5 Watt E= IRP. >=20 > Today we got 1 Watt ERP =3D 1.64 Watt EIRP, which is already 1/3 of the ma= ximum permissible. >=20 > With 100 Watt TX out, 2 Amperes antenna current and and 17m Umbrella anten= na I got a measured ERP of 0.4 Watt (=3D0.7 Watt EIRP).=20 >=20 > I can't see any reason to complain. >=20 >=20 > Vy 73 >=20 > Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO >=20 --Apple-Mail-F7302764-9EDF-4987-AE20-C2FEBFD8104F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Uwe,

<= div>Thanks for the report. I will try not to be a crocodile and will further= improve my receiver. So far I worked a few stations on groundwave such as D= L2HRE and DF4AY.

Looking forward having a QSO with y= ou!

73

Geri, DK8KW & D= I2BO



On 21.06= .2012, at 19:54, uwe-jannsen@kab= elmail.de wrote:

=
Hi= Geri,
and your signs at 472.5kHz are 599 in jo43sv. me and an other D-stn tried to= answer your CQ call some nights ago. sri, but no reaction.
GL
Uwe/dj8wx

Von: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Gesendet: 20.06.2012 20:34
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org
Betreff: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams


Hello Horst,

On 20.06.2012, at 09:54, "Horst St=C3=B6cker" <horst.stoecker@web.de> wrote:

Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implem= entation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. What= was the maximum power in WRC2012?

WRC2012 allocation: 1 Watt EIRP or under speciai conditions: up to 5 Wa= tt EIRP.

Today we got 1 Watt ERP =3D 1.64 Watt EIRP, which is already 1/3 of the= maximum permissible.

With 100 Watt TX out, 2 Amperes antenna current and and 17m Umbrella an= tenna I got a measured ERP of 0.4 Watt (=3D0.7 Watt EIRP). 

I can't see any reason to complain.


Vy 73

Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well shoot me down with my britches on fire! Mal I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers By RCA. I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought they used special valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you get a very fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/ I think the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away with one set up. Now to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.221 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 57c46fc57df9e768804caa43485df2f4 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-131410687-1339599103=:18960" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,OPT_HEADER,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:488106496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m407.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4fd8a93b6595 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-131410687-1339599103=:18960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well shoot me down with my britches on fire!=0A=A0=0AMal =0AI have just fou= nd an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers By RCA.=0AI have he= ard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any time because I = thought they used special valves to achieve the fast response. But apparent= ly not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode = LC being set at the third harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive= wave with the third hamonic you get a very fast rising pulse type=A0wave a= t the drive frequency in the PA tuned circuit as with a class D/E solid sta= te amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/=0A=A0=0AI think = the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like bro= adcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work OK for us on LF wi= th such narrow allocations where we may get away with one set up.=0A=A0=0AN= ow to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: mal hamilton= =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Tuesda= y, 12 June 2012, 19:48=0ASubject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc=0A =0A=0APete es= Co =0AThe class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to =0Aclass D o= r E and well designed would=A0produce 70% efficiency. =0AThe class D or E i= s not really an amplifier in the =0Aconvential sense it is merely an RF swi= tch at the frequency of interest and the =0Avoltage generated is increased = by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% =0Aefficiency if you are = lucky. =0ALike some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant =0Aof= mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is= =0Anot careful about matching to load. =0AI have some Dentron amps for the= HF bands and they have =0Abeen going for years. =0AFets are probably more = manageable, compact =A0and safer =0Aregarding voltages, beware of tubes wit= h voltages of a few K/volts at high =0Acurrent, like an electric chair!! = =0A73 de mal/g3kev =0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A= >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 = AM =0A>Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi Ken =0A>=A0 =0A>I b= elieve you can operate=A0some thermionic devices in higher classes than C= =A0but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't= go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency output stage = has to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster i= t changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (whic= h=A0means a device that will operate=A0well into the=A0VHF)=A0the higher t= he efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple o= f megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking abou= t)=A0at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the = inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to generate a = high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine = waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the outp= ut side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. =0A>=A0 =0A>That chart at the end of that PDF file is very = clever and is the guide=A0I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. = =0A>=A0 =0A>What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but = if you are trying to make a practical and=A0efficient CW TX for LF then= =A0there is enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines show= n on the sites I have posted=A0that will get you a good TX. If you want a = doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that wil= l detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, e= fficient=A0TX design well within anybodies capabilities.=A0The GW3UEP desi= gn being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no=A0RadCom=A0style unob= tainium in the components listing. =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>= =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>From: Ken =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Monday, 11 June 201= 2, 22:09=0A>Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>Hi Pete. =0A>Ab= out 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order diff= erential equations, partial integration and integration by parts, the one = thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in = free space . =A0=A0Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is pr= obably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because t= hey are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the sh= ack and the cat warm. =0A>=A0 =0A>73s =0A>=A0 =0A>Ken =0A>=A0 =0A>M0KHW =0A= >=A0 =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> =0A>From:owner- rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Be= half Of M0FMT=0A>Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16=0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg=0A>Subject: LF: Class E etc =0A>=A0 =0A>=A0Hi Ken =0A>=A0 =0A>Ha ha S= tefan, how good is=A0your Integration Ken? =0A>=A0Here are a couple of si= tes that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load and a go= od oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do with=A0= A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non a= nd TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully=A0on and fully off on e= ach cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate=A0on off timing (mark / space= ). Ensuring the=A0max permitted gate voltage for the FET=A0is not exceeded = otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps.=A0 B/ Se= tting the shunt capacitance and inductance=A0in the drain=A0circuit can be= done empirically See article below. Then follow it with=A0a=A0low pass fi= lter, although the output wave will be surprisingly clean.=A0Calculating t= he values is difficult as you don't necessarily know all the starting=A0pa= rameters and in any case=A0the result is=A0going to wide of the mark. The = site below will gives some starting values. Best to=20 use 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for= fast, very fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the dra= in circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good ef= ficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation f= rom the FET is very low at high power=A0giving cool heat-sinks! =0A>=A0The= GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency=A0= and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I ha= ve modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twice= that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L = and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for= max efficiency is the way to go. The article below shows you what you are= looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to= get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak vo= ltage across the Dummy load.=A0I then transfer my=A0connector from the Dum= my load to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I ad= just the coupling link to give the same peak voltage=A0across the tuner li= nk turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across th= e dummy load indicating a 50ohm match.=A0This is done by either=A0adding or reducing=A0the number of turns (about two turns) along= with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak=A0up= -lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak.=A0=A0 =0A>=A0 = =0A>Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work we= ll. =0A> =0A>=A0Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers.= =A0 =0A>=A0 =0A>=A0 =0A>For some bed time reading but ignor the math look= at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all rea= lly..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5= -poweramps.pdf =0A>=A0 =0A>For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ = =0A>=A0 =0A>For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp=A0that =A0= is a scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. =0A>http://= www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ =0A> =0A>=A0For antennas and antenna feed methods a = "look no where else site" =0A> =0A>http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ = =0A>=A0 =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=A0 ---176341844-131410687-1339599103=:18960 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well shoot me down with my britches on fire!
&nb= sp;
Mal
I = have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers By RCA= .
I have heard of higher ef= ficiency Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought they use= d special valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on a tu= ned circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third= harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamo= nic you get a very fast rising=0A pulse type wave at the drive frequen= cy in the PA tuned circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ....= .... http://nrcdxas.org/arti= cles/bta5t/
 
I think the point about this is that = it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters and the l= ike. And probably will work OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations wh= ere we may get away with one set up.
 
Now to see if it is scal= able to lower power video tubes.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: mal ham= ilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

=0A=0A =0A =0A
=0A
Pete es Co
=0A
The class C= tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to =0Aclass D or E and well desig= ned would produce 70% efficiency.
=0A
The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the =0Aconvential sense= it is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the =0Avoltage = generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% = =0Aefficiency if you are lucky.
=0A
L= ike some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant =0Aof mismatch to= antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is =0Anot care= ful about matching to load.
=0A
I have= some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have =0Abeen going for years.<= /font>
=0A
Fets are probably more manageable,= compact  and safer =0Aregarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltag= es of a few K/volts at high =0Acurrent, like an electric chair!!=0A
73 de mal/g3kev
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From:= =0A M0F= MT
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To: <= a title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" ymailto=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1= 1:15 =0A AM
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Subj= ect: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc
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=0A
=0A
Hi Ken
=0A
 <= /div>=0A
I believe you can =0A operate some thermionic devices in higher cl= asses than C but they =0A generally lack the frequency response of a = modern FET= . I won't go into figures= but just think about it. The high =0A efficiency output stage has to operate = =0A like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it changes s= tate =0A from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which = means a =0A device that will operate well into the VHF) the= higher the =0A efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to s= ay a couple of megs =0A its not going to be much good (in terms of what we= are talking about) at =0A 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get th= e magnetic field in the inductor to =0A rise and collapse at a very fast =0A rate in-order to generate= a =0A high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talki= ng sine =0A waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope= on the output =0A side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean look= ing sine wave. Try =0A it.
=0A
 
= =0A
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is t= he guide I use to =0A bring a PA into optimum performance.=0A
 
=0A
What I was trying to s= ay is that the math is all very well but if =0A you are trying to make a p= ractical and efficient CW TX for LF =0A then there is enough empirical =0A data f= rom following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have =0A posted&n= bsp;that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in =0A theoretica= l physics to bamboozle you =0A colleagues= then that will detract =0A from the time it takes to build a very = interesting high = power, efficient TX =0A design well within anybodies capabilities.&nb= sp;The GW<= /span>3UEP= design being =0A IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no = RadCom style unobtainium in the components listing.
=0A
&n= bsp;
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
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From: Ken =0A <ken.h.wright@btinternet.c= om>
To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org =0A
Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, =0A 22:09
Subject: LF: RE: Class =0A E etc

=0A =
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Hi =0A Pete.=
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About 40 years ago my =0A i= ntegration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equa= tions, partial =0A integration and integration by parts, the one thing I h= ad big problems with =0A was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free = space .   Looking =0A at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET =0A= PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is = =0A because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also th= e keep =0A the shack and the cat warm.
=0A
=  
=0A
73s
=0A
 
=0A
Ken
=0A
&nb= sp;
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M0KHW
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From: owner- =0A rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: =0A owner- rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org ] On =0A Behalf= Of M0FMT
Sent:<= /b> 11 June 2012 19:16
To:<= /b> =0A rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Class E =0A etc
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= ---176341844-131410687-1339599103=:18960-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 241BF3800009C; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfvkN-0007aE-MG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:21:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfvkN-0007a5-5q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:21:11 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfvkL-0002nD-Dd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:21:10 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d43 with ME id P4M71j0054U6hVe034M7rp; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:21:07 +0200 Message-ID: <8146402EAAE443729F66C932F047B78D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:21:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Stefan , What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the RX to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly into io83lk hihi 73 -G.. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 622b0ca3461797caf37867321c193763 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CE_01CD4BE4.6A7176E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:469084320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4fdcb2ab782e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01CD4BE4.6A7176E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Stefan ,=20 What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the RX = to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly into = io83lk hihi 73 -G..=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,=20 Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to = extend the range... Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:=20 Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... = ! Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise .should = work ?=20 G..=20 http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01CD4BE4.6A7176E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Stefan ,
 
What mode  are  sending  ? opera ?  If  = so =20 then   I will   set the  RX to  477  = as =20 well  , Im sure  some  signal  will  = leak  =20 directly into  io83lk  hihi
 
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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,

Most useful = link! I=20 forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the=20 range...

Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or = so.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:=20
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the =20 Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  = 477 =20 via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  = ,=20 but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
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Content preview: On 05/06/2012 10:28, mal hamilton wrote: > John > My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com > This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get > anything from the list on the left of page. > de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.215.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427467264:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m001.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fcdd4090efc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none On 05/06/2012 10:28, mal hamilton wrote: > John > My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com > This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get > anything from the list on the left of page. > de mal/g3kev Mal Login to yahoo and go to here http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join Look for (Add new email address) and click - you may need to log in again. Add your talktalk email address Go back to http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join the talktalk address should now be listed Select the radio button next to it Select the other options you want in steps 2 and 3 below Select save changes Now the yahoo group email will go to your talktalk a/c. 73 Stewart/G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B7CFE380000D7; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjDib-0001EM-No for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:08:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjDib-0001ED-5b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:08:57 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjDiY-0007jQ-Fw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:08:56 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AisKAACo6E9cHYEh/2dsb2JhbABEigmqdQOBMIEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMlASMCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh3UJB7hUizMbeIFTgxwDjUuIdY5vgl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,473,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="39817540" Received: from host-92-29-129-33.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.33]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 2012 19:08:53 +0100 Message-ID: <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:08:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the Dreamers band. You have done well and other German stns on the 9 Khz band whereas in the UK there is no interest or no one capable of transmitting other than a few metres down the road. QRP mania reigns in the UK with no chance of making any QSO. On this band high power is needed I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with other persuits at present. On LF at present it seems only DL7FC es G3KEV are able to work DX 73 De G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497917696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584fe8a99c3772 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the Dreamers band. You have done well and other German stns on the 9 Khz band whereas in the UK there is no interest or no one capable of transmitting other than a few metres down the road. QRP mania reigns in the UK with no chance of making any QSO. On this band high power is needed I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with other persuits at present. On LF at present it seems only DL7FC es G3KEV are able to work DX 73 De G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Cc: "Paul" ; "Christoph Maurer" Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > VLF, > > It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to > inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of > Darmstadt, http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run > by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. > Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some > earthquake precursors. > I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced him to > share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He > even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU resources > for that at the moment though. > The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, > http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it > should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even > in summer. > If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF event. > BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June 2012 > :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to extend it. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1E9E13800009B; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SipQ5-0006zZ-8z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:12:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SipQ4-0006zQ-RX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:12:12 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SipQ3-0002X5-4l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:12:11 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5OGCAka011618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:12:10 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5OGC9g2013257 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:12:09 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE73BEC.4060107@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:10:20 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> <4FE7348B.3080601@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FE7348B.3080601@kpnmail.nl> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jan, Thanks for the info. Yes, he seems to have a 500 kHz LO (?) due to the black gap at 500 kHz which seems to come from his lower cutoff frequency of the converter. If a 2 MHz ( /4) xtal is used, maybe a 1.8432 MHz xtal may be the alternative... [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: Re: LF: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:398695328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fe73ca53b66 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jan, Thanks for the info. Yes, he seems to have a 500 kHz LO (?) due to the black gap at 500 kHz which seems to come from his lower cutoff frequency of the converter. If a 2 MHz ( /4) xtal is used, maybe a 1.8432 MHz xtal may be the alternative... 73, CU, Stefan Am 24.06.2012 17:38, schrieb pa3abk: > Received an email from Wouter PA3WEG. > > The WebSDR is x-tal driven, but he will look at it to get the unit > somewhat lower. > He intends to widen the bandpass filter in such it will catch the > lower end more effectively. > > In future the SDR will receive new hardware for VHF/UHF or 4 & 6m > Also 137kHz will receive some attention. > > His main problem is time.... > At the moment he is very busy with the FUNcube satelliet project. > (funcube.org.uk) > > Jan/pa3abk > > > NNNN > On 16-6-2012 18:02, Graham wrote: >> Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... ! >> Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft >> can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise >> .should work ? >> G.. >> http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6466238000094; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShEP2-0000dx-Uj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:28:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShEP2-0000do-Fr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:28:32 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShEP0-0000Fi-Kc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:28:31 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: CFCFC1380BB.AE577 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCFC1380BB for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:28:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA87120041 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:28:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::a470:76b3:406d:2b1a%27]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:28:22 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: Test signal needed Thread-Index: AQHNTm2qQZOgOTnwJESB0XzNInVbIJcCvQ8X Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:28:22 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB1C6F@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be>,<4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.13] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.129 (rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, sorry, I went of to bed at 22:30UTC ... wakeup time is 04:30UTC. Maybe tonight. About the TX antenna used as RX antenna: that often works fine if you do not overload the RX (BC at 525kHz+). I always use the 20dB attenuator of my good old TS440 to RX on my 11m high / 25m ling Lazy-L antenna. As long as the band noise is above the RX noise you won't loose any sensititity. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: d7907c3bf895ca41e0bedc3fa074f0d4 Subject: LF: RE: Test signal needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:476645056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494fe16dc73aa2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, sorry, I went of to bed at 22:30UTC ... wakeup time is 04:30UTC. Maybe tonight. About the TX antenna used as RX antenna: that often works fine if you do no= t overload the RX (BC at 525kHz+). I always use the 20dB attenuator of my g= ood old TS440 to RX on my 11m high / 25m ling Lazy-L antenna. As long as th= e band noise is above the RX noise you won't loose any sensititity. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: woensdag 20 juni 2012 0:44 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Test signal needed Rik, MF, Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. Maybe you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops that were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test signals from amateurs. 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > actually 501.2kHz. > Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. > You are 579 with the usual QSB. > I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared ER= P abt 1W. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg] namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] > Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW > > Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse > Jan/pa3abk > > On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > >> just in case someone wants... >> I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> >> > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it >= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E4E093800004C; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd1Cb-00007v-J5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:34:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd1Cb-00007m-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:34:17 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd1CZ-0008C7-CM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:34:16 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag4FAAUb0k9cF/6o/2dsb2JhbABFnnYDjyeGMIEIghMRAwEBA0kCIQsCCAIBBgECGQInEgECAQEaBiQZBAECAgEBh365I5EmA4gNhTF6gR6VQ4Jg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,377,1336345200"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="37628503" Received: from host-92-23-254-168.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.168]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Jun 2012 16:34:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000901cd458c$26bef840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:34:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: G3KEV secret MF weapon that crossed the Atlantic on CW de mal/g3kev G3KEV secret MF weapon that crossed the Atlantic on CW [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_OBFU_JPG_ATTACH BODY: JPG attachment with generic MIME type 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5e87126383552ae11690d026623e516d Subject: LF: Emailing: malk 106 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD458C.264A1660" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81358 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:276556096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fd21bc006dd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD458C.264A1660 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD458C.264A1660" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD458C.264A1660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G3KEV secret MF weapon that crossed the Atlantic on CW de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD458C.264A1660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: As an interested reader of the reflector, option (a) seems a good compromise... Julian, G3YGF [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [91.220.42.78 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4ad75ad27eb9a353f40105f6e3872b5c Subject: LF: RE: Blacksheep and Yahoo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CD537D.82A8887D" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:398169056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4fe980210055 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CD537D.82A8887D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As an interested reader of the reflector, option (a) seems a good compromise... Julian, G3YGF =20 =20 ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn Sent: 22 June 2012 16:43 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Subject: LF: Blacksheep and Yahoo =20 Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent poll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to Yahoo, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either place or both. Personally I think we need to either:=20 (a) Keep day-to-day posts on Blacksheep and use the Yahoo group just as an LF/MF/VLF archiving facility where links, schematics, pictures and screenshots etc can be kept for the long-term i.e. not post day-to-day sked type messages on Yahoo. or (b) Fully migrate to Yahoo and close the Blacksheep reflector.=20 We all want the best way of communicating LF/MF/VLF news and information and we also want the ability to archive important and helpful data for newcomers and history. As long as this is achieved most of us don't mind how.=20 I proposed a full move to a Yahoo group as it allows both quick email type messaging and archiving. IMHO this is still the better option, but it is not my place to dictate what experienced LFers prefer.=20 Constructive and helpful comments please. 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ --=20 Queen's Award for Enterprise and Innovation 2011 Roke Manor Research Ltd Romsey, Hampshire, SO51 0ZN, United Kingdom http://www.roke.co.uk Part of the Chemring Group Registered in England & Wales at: Chemring Group PLC, Chemring House, 1500 Parkway, Whiteley, Fareham, Hampshire PO15 7AF, ENGLAND.=20 Registered No: 267550 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments is proprietary to Roke Manor Research Ltd and must not be passed to any third party without permission. 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As an interested reader of the reflect= or, option (a) seems a good compromise...

Julian, G3YGF=

 

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn
Sent: 22 June 2012 16:43
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org; rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Subject: LF: Blacksheep and = Yahoo

 

Just wondering ho= w people think the current set-up is working? The recent poll suggested a large majo= rity would be happy with a full migration to Yahoo, but we seem to now have a ve= ry messy split with postings in either place or both.

Personally I think we need to either:

(a) Keep day-to-day posts on Blacksheep and use the Yahoo group just= as an LF/MF/VLF archiving facility where links, schematics, pictures and screenshots etc can be kept for the long-term i.e. not post day-to-d= ay sked type messages on Yahoo.

or

(b) Fully migrate to Yahoo and close the Blacksheep reflector.

We all want the best way of communicating LF/MF/VLF news and information an= d we also want the ability to archive important and helpful data for newcomers a= nd history. As long as this is achieved most of us don't mind how.

I proposed a full move to a Yahoo group as it allows both quick email type messaging and archiving. IMHO this is still the better option, but it is no= t my place to dictate what experienced LFers prefer.

Constructive and helpful comments please.

73s
Roger G3XBM

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Content preview: Hello Daniele,once I used the 12au7 as mixerstage in an old tube broadcastreceiver with very good results,much more sensitive and less IM than the usual ECH81.I never tried it but my guess it 's very good for a hi-Z pre-amp [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.134.42.53 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: bb953ecadee360a40f72202c1637b86b Subject: RE: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5098.A96C23A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:360178080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4fe489072197 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5098.A96C23A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Daniele,once I used the 12au7 as mixerstage in an old tube broadcastreceiver with very good results,much more sensitive and less IM than the usual ECH81.I never tried it but my guess it 's very good for a hi-Z pre-amp 73 Victor PS.no semiconductor is a match for a warm glowing glass tube. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele Tincani Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 16:36 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Hello Victor, thanks for your reply. In fact, now I think I will use th= e 12AU7 for a hi-Z pre-amp for a whip or a tuned loop (this again is just f= or playing with that old glassy lady :-)). As for the BD139, I didn't even suspect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good for power stages... 73 Daniele IZ5WWB Da: "victor13@online.nl" A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Inviato: Venerd=EC 22 Giugno 2012 16:19 Oggetto: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Hello Daniele, some months ago I made a broadbanded ferriterod to cope with heavy qrm = on the 80 and 160m band.The ferite comes from a submarine and is specified 10KHz to 4 MHZ with a symmetrical feedingcable to a ELK675 or other recei= ver without a preamp.Since I don't have such a receiver I made a balanced two stage amp with 4x BD139 grounded base.The antenna copes good with the QRM= on 80 and 160,it also performs very well on the MW broadcastband.In the rang= e 200-500KHz it is sometimes better than the E-probe,below 200KHz the E-pro= be wins.IM is no problem but maby the noise of the amp is to high below 200K= Hz. The ferriterod is about750X100mm! I don't think the 12AU7 is a good choice for a low inputimpedance amp...Zinput 2X BD139 is about 3 Ohm. 73 GL Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele Tincani Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 9:42 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Hello LF, I apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was already largely debated here. I have seven of those quite known russian surplus ferrite r= ods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun - I'm planning to spend some time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF and/or LF-MF, suitable for outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some suggestions about is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? I found an unused 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be effectively chosen as the active device (low voltage) for such amplifier? Thank you for any feedback 73 Daniele IZ5WWB ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5098.A96C23A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Daniele,once I used the 12au7 as mixerstage in an old tube=20 broadcastreceiver with very good results,much more sensitive and less IM = than=20 the usual ECH81.I never tried it but  my guess it 's very good for = a hi-Z=20 pre-amp
 
73
 
Victor
PS.no=20 semiconductor is a match for a warm glowing glass = tube.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele=20 Tincani
Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 16:36
Aan: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: Ferrite=20 broadband (LF-MF) antenna?

Hello Victor, thanks for your reply. In fact, now I think I = will=20 use the 12AU7 for a hi-Z pre-amp for a whip or a tuned loop (this = again is=20 just for playing with that old glassy lady :-)). As for the BD139, I = didn't=20 even suspect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good = for power=20 stages...
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 

Da:=20 "victor13@online.nl" <victor13@online.nl>
A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
Inviato: Venerd=EC = 22 Giugno=20 2012 16:19
Oggetto: = LF: RE:=20 Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?

Hello Daniele,
 
some months ago I made a broadbanded = ferriterod to cope=20 with heavy qrm on the 80 and 160m band.The ferite comes from a = submarine and=20 is specified 10KHz to 4 MHZ with a symmetrical feedingcable to a = ELK675 or=20 other receiver without a preamp.Since I don't have such a receiver I = made a=20 balanced two stage amp with 4x BD139 grounded base.The antenna copes = good with=20 the QRM on 80 and 160,it also performs very well on the MW = broadcastband.In=20 the range 200-500KHz it is sometimes better than the E-probe,below = 200KHz the=20 E-probe wins.IM is no problem but maby the noise of the amp is to high = below=20 200KHz.
The ferriterod is = about750X100mm!
I don't think the 12AU7 is a good choice for = a low=20 inputimpedance amp...Zinput 2X BD139 is about 3 = Ohm.
 
73
GL
Victor
PA3FNY
 
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Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele=20 Tincani
Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 = 9:42
Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: Ferrite = broadband=20 (LF-MF) antenna?

Hello LF,
 
I apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was already = largely=20 debated here. I have seven of those quite known russian surplus = ferrite=20 rods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun - I'm planning to spend = some=20 time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain=20 a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF and/or = LF-MF,=20 suitable for outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some=20 suggestions about is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar = to those=20 used in air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. = Any=20 ideas? I found an unused 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be=20 effectively chosen as the active device (low=20 voltage) for such amplifier?
Thank you for any feedback
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 


------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5098.A96C23A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9BE733800009D; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfwFs-0007ox-F5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:53:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfwFs-0007oo-08 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:53:44 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfwFp-0002wa-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:53:42 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d43 with ME id P4tf1j00J4U6hVe034tfB8; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:53:40 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:53:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx - Geri, Well , you can switch on the CW ID and Opera will send plain CW then the beacon : ) If you can run the Op beacon into the night, I think you should decode into the UK , but may be only after dark , some hours yet I would think many stations would be waiting for the first data signal from DL hihi [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3547ef0bd9aa4f6a2596c8a6b1b20265 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CD4BE8.F6028AB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475627104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4fdcba49660e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CD4BE8.F6028AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx - Geri,=20 Well , you can switch on the CW ID and Opera will send plain CW = then the beacon : ) If you can run the Op beacon into the night, I think you should = decode into the UK , but may be only after dark , some hours yet=20 I would think many stations would be waiting for the first data = signal from DL hihi 73 -G..=20 From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft=20 Graham, Thanks for the reception report via Delft ... interesting ways these = days ... I will keep OPERA running for a while on 477 and switch to old = fashioned CW later tonight. 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:02 PM Subject: LF: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft=20 Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... = ! Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise .should = work ?=20 G..=20 http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CD4BE8.F6028AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx - Geri,
 
Well , you  can  switch on the  CW ID  = and =20 Opera  will  send  plain  CW  then the  = beacon :=20 )
If you can  run the  Op beacon  into the  = night, I=20 think  you  should  decode into the  UK , but =20 may  be only after  dark , some  hours yet
I would  think  many stations  would  be = waiting =20 for the  first  data  signal from  DL hihi
 
73 -G..
 

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:37 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via = Delft=20

Graham,
 
Thanks for the reception report via = Delft ...=20 interesting ways these days ... I will keep OPERA running for a while on = 477 and=20 switch to old fashioned CW later tonight.
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 6:02=20 PM
Subject: LF: Opera Monitoring = 500 off air=20 & 477 via Delft

Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the =20 Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  = 477 =20 via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  = ,=20 but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John, You wrote: > ... > Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, > how do you want to continue? > > o With the Yahoo! 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: like ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file. 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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 = 6:35=20 AM
Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA = running at 12=20 VDC

If someone=20 is interested i may convert the=20 = circuit from my mind into= a=20 schematic as a png file.

 

Always interested = ;-)

 

73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T

------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01CD5505.CA7512C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E6E5738000085; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfKDx-0000kX-FY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:17:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfKDx-0000kO-2p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:17:13 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfKDv-0003H1-MR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:17:11 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.46.125]) by mwinf5d07 with ME id NQHA1j00A2i31Ua03QHBq6; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:17:11 +0200 Message-ID: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:17:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120614-1, 14/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: New QRG for 472 Khz Band??? Suggestions needed for a QRG for the new 472 KHz band Dial set USB frequency , taking into account other band users ! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: LF: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4A94.9684C030" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:279693504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4fda7f493f74 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4A94.9684C030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New QRG for 472 Khz Band??? Suggestions needed for a QRG for the new 472 KHz band Dial set USB frequency , taking into account other band users ! Tnx - G ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4A94.9684C030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
New QRG for 472 Khz Band???

Suggestions needed for a QRG for = the new=20 472 KHz band

Dial set USB frequency , taking into account other = band=20 users !

Tnx - G
------=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4A94.9684C030-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8348038000082; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfTKX-0001kg-AF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:00:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfTKW-0001kX-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:00:36 +0100 Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.96]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfTKU-0005Qn-2D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:00:35 +0100 Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NZoS1j0010cZkys59a0XM8; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:00:31 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Na0W1j0060CFS1j3Wa0WQi; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:00:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01cd4add$b33c1720$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDA6F0F.3080104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:00:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Your signal reached the high water mark of 20 dB s/n in 28 mHz last night. Capture at http://www.w1vd.com/grabber.html . Thanks to good condx (DST of -15nt and low static levels) we can put a check mark next to June! [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.96 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.1 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489828768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fdb07f7176f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan Your signal reached the high water mark of 20 dB s/n in 28 mHz last night. Capture at http://www.w1vd.com/grabber.html . Thanks to good condx (DST of -15nt and low static levels) we can put a check mark next to June! Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Jay, LF, This night i will continue with LF transmissions, same procedure. So far the conds in EU and to 4X are excellent! Maybe we can make it this night to W1... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 12.06.2012 14:10, schrieb Stefan Schfer: > Hi Jay, > > We still have no success in Jnue so if we want to get a full call detection in each month we have > to find a suitable days soon. > > Well, all right about the DST stuff. However you know i simply like transmitting so i usually do > not care about the condx. From time to time there is a surprise een in "bad" conds. Like > yesterday! 4X1RF temporary started his grabber in Haifa and to my surprise we got very good > results over that 2850km distance. About 25 dB S/N, see > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Juni2012.jpg > Sure, crossing the pond is another story. Let's do it in the coming days :-) > > BTW what about your TX? Are you ready for a transmission? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 12.06.2012 12:12, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: >> Sefan >> >> Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at 'disturbed' levels it is >> unlikely that I would have had reception of your signals. It might be a good idea to check >> http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html for the DST levels before an >> overnight T/A attempt. Generally speaking, condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or >> better for a couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th or 10th would have been better >> T/A nights. The big dip starting on the 10th is a problem. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:09 PM >> Subject: LF: Beacon to the west >> >> >>> LF, >>> >>> Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night. The TX is already on air... >>> >>> In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it may be a bit difficult to >>> become visible in TA. But who knows... >>> >>> At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for distances below 3000 km. Probably >>> because the area in darkness is small on the northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away >>> is attenuated. So the distances within the first hop range may be a bit lower than in winther >>> but maybe the noise is even lower so S/N improvement of some dB results. >>> At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done many tests and the radiated >>> signal was even 3 dB stronger than a few days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm >>> thinking different about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! >>> >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CB8FD38000091; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 18:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skjuq-0004RW-Sl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:43:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skjuq-0004RN-EV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:43:52 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skjuo-0001Df-Lu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:43:51 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.202]) by mwinf5d41 with ME id UNjp1j0044MjVGq03Njpcy; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:43:49 +0200 Message-ID: <8B98C12BF8674032BE65C77886A6E783@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1341006419.32377.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1341008032.98380.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1341008032.98380.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:43:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Even less now !!. no decode that time .. 22:05 500 M0FMT de G0KTN Op4 99 mi -9 dB in Bath, UK IO81 with 1w + LW UP 35FTx 22:37 500 M0FMT de G0KTN Op4 99 mi -15 dB in Bath, UK IO81 with 1w + LW UP 35FT [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e57013951ca4c86ddcf48e741efd2b78 Subject: Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD5651.07CA2380" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:403571584:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fee2fef4422 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD5651.07CA2380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Even less now !!. no decode that time .. 22:05 500 M0FMT de G0KTN Op4 99 mi -9 dB in Bath, UK IO81 with 1w + LW = UP 35FTx 22:37 500 M0FMT de G0KTN Op4 99 mi -15 dB in Bath, UK IO81 with 1w + LW = UP 35FT From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:13 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG Whoops may be its not all going up the antenna, looking at first rprts. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =20 Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 22:46 Subject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG Hi All Opera now 500 RX QRG! Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS = hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD5651.07CA2380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Even less  now  !!. no  decode  that  = time =20 ..

22:05 500 M0FMT de G0KTN Op4 99 mi -9 dB in Bath, UK IO81 = with 1w +=20 LW UP 35FTx

22:37 500 M0FMT de G0KTN Op4 99 mi -15 dB in Bath, UK IO81 = with 1w +=20 LW UP 35FT

 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:13 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG

Whoops may be its not all going up the antenna, looking at = first=20 rprts.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= "=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >=20
Sent: Friday, 29 = June 2012,=20 22:46
Subject: LF: = Opera now=20 500 RX QRG

Hi All
 
Opera now 500 RX QRG!
 
Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF = block on=20 DDS hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT=20 IO91UX


------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD5651.07CA2380-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DAEDA38000090; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiqCV-00078X-5k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:02:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiqCU-00078O-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:02:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiqCR-0002ep-RJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:02:13 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusIAGZH509cHYH5/2dsb2JhbABErXAEg1GENoEIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCGRMBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh363cYszhgIDiBWFNpdkgl+BXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,468,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="39692233" Received: from host-92-29-129-249.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.249]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2012 18:01:50 +0100 Message-ID: <006501cd522b$0a7dcb60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003f01cd5215$5690bf50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE72612.3070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <005101cd521c$e7403880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE73282.7000502@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:01:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Stefan Buffalo or Bison and no small suckling pigs they would fall through the grill If I am lucky I find pheasants, pigeons, crows and deer already cooked under my LF Antenna !! ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 222431427b0fb799ed82c2c5d7851cd5 Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01CD522B.0A4BBEE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488469952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fe7486012b3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CD522B.0A4BBEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan Buffalo or Bison and no small suckling pigs they would fall through the = grill If I am lucky I find pheasants, pigeons, crows and deer already cooked = under my LF Antenna !! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Mal,=20 You should buy a loong CAT5 cable (twisted pairs) and feed the = speaker and key lines outside to the BBQ! Then you can call CQ and = rotate the suckling pig to the same time! 100m cable length should be no = problem, although the rise time of the CW impulses could be a bit longer = due to the cable C ;-) 73, Stefan Am 24.06.2012 17:20, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan I only work LF and MF CW around EU and only use QRSS for DX when = necessary. I also get many private emails about activities on LF/MF from those = who do not want to be reflector members and there are PLENTY I get more reports and comments privately than via the reflector.=20 There were 3 stations active this morning on MF and NONE are = reflector members !!! I have worked them many times on cw This is a busy time of year for me outside also BBQ'S etc but the wx = has been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ yesterday evening. The Moscow grabber is useful and I was visible early last nite = around 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening up. later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 for me but I went QRT = getting too late and I am always in the shack when the TX is on always hoping for a QSO NO Beacon 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but = few are listening or transmitting. I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these = days i think... even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for you, sri ;-) Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have = advantages. Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought = all of Germany would be calling. I'm not in Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, = like in the last evenings. BTW i got several reports by email from people who aren't member = of the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for home = constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many newcomers on the = band. We have to supply them by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned.. I'm going to play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to = become a full size dipole for 630m :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CD522B.0A4BBEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
Buffalo or Bison and no small suckling pigs they = would=20 fall through the grill
If I am lucky I find pheasants, pigeons, crows = and deer=20 already cooked under my LF Antenna !!
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 = 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF

Mal,

You should  buy a loong CAT5 cable = (twisted=20 pairs) and feed the speaker and key lines outside to the BBQ! Then you = can=20 call CQ and rotate the suckling pig to the same time! 100m cable = length should=20 be no problem, although the rise time of the CW impulses could be a = bit longer=20 due to the cable C ;-)

73, Stefan

Am 24.06.2012 17:20, = schrieb=20 mal hamilton:=20
Stefan
I only work LF and MF CW around EU and = only use=20 QRSS for DX when necessary.
I also get many private emails about = activities on=20 LF/MF from those who do not want to be reflector members and there = are=20 PLENTY
I get more reports and comments privately = than via the=20 reflector.
There were 3 stations active this morning on = MF and=20 NONE are reflector members !!!  I have worked them many times = on=20 cw
This is a busy time of year for me outside = also BBQ'S=20 etc but the wx has been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ = yesterday=20 evening.
The Moscow grabber is useful and I was = visible early=20 last nite around 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening = up.
later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 = for=20 me but I went QRT getting too late and I am always in the shack = when=20 the TX is on
always hoping for a QSO
NO Beacon
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
-----=20 Original Message ----- From:=20 Stefan Sch=E4fer To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent:=20 Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:37 PM Subject:=20 Re: LF: QUIET LF


Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
At this time of year there is = propagation on both=20 LF es MF but few are listening or transmitting.
 
I've been calling several times = today but=20 people prefer BBQ these days i think...

even the majority of DX grabbers are = switched=20 off
My DX grabber is ON but is no DX = for you, sri=20 ;-)

Lack of activity is the problem although = the=20 winter does have advantages.
Surprised at the lack of acty on the new = 472 -=20 479. I thought all of Germany would be=20 calling.
I'm not in Heidelberg at the = moment,=20 otherwise i would be active, like in the last evenings.

BTW = i got=20 several reports by email from people who aren't member of the = reflector so=20 i think after one or two time constants for home constructed MF = stations,=20 there will hopefully be many newcomers on the band. We have to = supply them=20 by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned..
I'm going to play with = the earth=20 antenna soon and modify it to become a full size dipole for 630m=20 :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


 
de mal/g3kev
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------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CD522B.0A4BBEE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EA27A38000083; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfUF0-0001vc-65 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:58:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfUEz-0001vT-OQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:58:57 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfUEy-0005gq-7R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:58:56 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.21.220]) by mwinf5d37 with ME id Nays1j00D4kuJTE03aysev; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:58:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: Cc: References: <2ECF51C901E94F7AA4214A38B6EA87BF@AGB> <1339713343.26292.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FDADCB8.2010608@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FDADCB8.2010608@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:58:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120615-0, 15/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Good result Albert ! so much for MF being a winter pastime ! G.. From: Albert Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 7:56 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 52d17ee6003fa6763aae891a69410baf Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD4AEE.3B820120" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:409776096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fdb15bc28b9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD4AEE.3B820120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good result Albert ! so much for MF being a winter pastime ! G.. From: Albert=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 7:56 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Nice OPERA DX last night, thanks to Vladimir, Andrey and Alexey for = receiving my signals. 22:41 500 PA0A de RX3DHR Op4 2117 km -22 dB in Zaraysk . 22:41 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -23 dB in Moscow 22:36 500 PA0A de RA3TTS Op4 2523 km -29 dB in N.Novgorod 73, Albert PA0A ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD4AEE.3B820120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good result Albert !
so much  for MF being  a  winter pastime !
 
G..

From: Albert
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors=20 RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR

Nice OPERA DX last night, thanks to = Vladimir, Andrey=20 and Alexey for receiving my signals.

22:41    500 PA0A de RX3DHR = Op4 2117=20 km -22 dB in Zaraysk    = .

22:41    500 PA0A de RN3AGC = Op4 2019=20 km -23 dB in Moscow

22:36    500 PA0A de RA3TTS = Op4=20 2523 km -29 dB in N.Novgorod


73, Albert=20 PA0A






------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD4AEE.3B820120-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BDBB53800008E; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SesWE-0003P4-Le for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:42:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SesWE-0003Ov-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:42:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SesWC-0005PO-GI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:42:13 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAKTe2E9cHn9P/2dsb2JhbABFn2YDlVeBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAhwQAQEDBQIBAwQNBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfro0izGCdoMbA4gOhTKXXYJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,405,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="375513766" Received: from host-92-30-127-79.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.127.79]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2012 19:42:10 +0100 Message-ID: <00a801cd4994$3ab43b10$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <009e01cd4992$8173df80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:42:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: More info requested Xtal osc or VFO with output of 5V sq or sine wave not critical and 27V regulated at 300mA for driver stages and 60/70V for PA FETS With an adjustable HT psu, regulation not required the output can be varied from Nil to 400 Watts. de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 20fb97b64762a0bd80c12a4b2f6724b0 Subject: LF: Re: decca 5501 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A5_01CD4994.3A847880" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429885632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fd8df462c5d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01CD4994.3A847880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable More info requested Xtal osc or VFO with output of 5V sq or sine wave not critical and 27V = regulated at 300mA for driver stages and 60/70V for PA FETS With an adjustable HT psu, regulation not required the output can be = varied from Nil to 400 Watts. de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:29 PM Subject: LF: decca 5501 MF Now that MF is shaping up with DL permits and others. If you can find = a DECCA sub unit 5501 it takes less than a couple of hours to modify/ = adapt for the 472 Khz band. In round figure values all that is needed is = a 22uH in series with 5 nF C. Adjust L for frequency of interest of = centre of band. A matching transformer is then required to match approx = 5 Ohms to 50 Ohms and LPF to the antenna. I use an old tube TV LOPT and it works well with good efficiency. A couple of hours work and you can be on the new 473 band. A loaded = inv L antenna and you are in business. 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01CD4994.3A847880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
More info requested
Xtal osc or VFO with output of 5V sq or sine = wave not=20 critical and 27V regulated at 300mA for driver stages and 60/70V = for PA=20 FETS
With an adjustable HT psu, regulation not=20 required the output can be varied from Nil to 400 = Watts.
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 = 6:29=20 PM
Subject: LF: decca 5501

MF
Now that MF is shaping up with DL permits = and=20 others. If you can find a DECCA sub unit 5501 it takes less than a = couple of=20 hours to modify/ adapt for the 472 Khz band. In round figure values = all that=20 is needed is a 22uH in series with 5 nF C. Adjust L for = frequency of=20 interest of centre of band. A matching transformer is then required to = match=20 approx 5 Ohms to 50 Ohms and LPF to the antenna.
I use an old tube TV LOPT and it works  = well with=20 good efficiency.
A couple of hours work and you can be on the = new 473=20 band. A loaded inv L antenna and you are in = business.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01CD4994.3A847880-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 45D1238000090; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 02:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgrum-0002dB-Bw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:27:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgrul-0002d2-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:27:47 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sgruj-0001HI-Fm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:27:46 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 703EA12808F.AE3F7 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703EA12808F for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:27:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CB8420041 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:27:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::a470:76b3:406d:2b1a%27]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:27:37 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: 475kHz grabber Thread-Index: AQHNTXyYaQJO6hV/C0mXnK3xOS7EOJcAgsWAgACq6Go= Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 06:27:37 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB1224@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB10AA@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be>,<4FDFA81D.3050104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDFA81D.3050104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.11] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, your DDS is probably OK. For some odd reason Argo sometimes shows a frequency offset. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: RE: LF: 475kHz grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437429632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fe01c3e2799 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan, your DDS is probably OK. For some odd reason Argo sometimes shows a frequency offset. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 0:13 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: 475kHz grabber Hello Rik, How accurate is your grabber QRG? Am i really 20 Hz off the QRG with the DDS VFO here? 73, Stefan Am 18.06.2012 20:02, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > On request of Marco, DD7PC, I am running a grabber on 475kHz (474.95-475.= 05): > http://www.strobbe.eu/argo/ > The grabber may be interrupted for a QSO. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2012 16:03 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: Further MF impressions > > MF, > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in > the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is > significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see > that the band noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the > current setup. > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in > these first days... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0248F380000A5; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUss-0005W5-4H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:28:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUsr-0005Vw-Iz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:28:41 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjUso-0005tR-T9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:28:40 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5QCScGQ002177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:28:38 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QCSbGf011270 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:28:37 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE9AA87.3060308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:26:47 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE8E412.5000909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <9B92E5E758664934B13502459785E3F5@AGB> <4FE8F02F.2030304@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <005801cd5383$dd63d160$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <005801cd5383$dd63d160$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5QCScGQ002177 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK. I recommend to use an RF amperemeter to find the resonance. An analog one of course. That makes resonating a fun, very comfortable. Also you can easily calculate the losses if the RF power is known. Remember: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/VLF/VLFcoil.jpg [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f45514038df04b1035abb1d5446da941 Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471207008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fe9ab2c3d7c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none OK. I recommend to use an RF amperemeter to find the resonance. An=20 analog one of course. That makes resonating a fun, very comfortable.=20 Also you can easily calculate the losses if the RF power is known. Remember: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/VLF/VLFcoil.jpg 73, Stefan Am 26.06.2012 12:10, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > I have calculated that I need 150 mH loading coil for 9 Khz. I have alr= eady > resonated the antenna using some ferrite core inductors and can hear it > singing at 9 khz with the low power signal generator. > I have started a big TX coil but need to finish it. I can RX well on th= e > band. > > 73 de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > > > Yes, in any way it would be nice again to put some focus on VLF. It's a > long time ago i regularly monitored my own VLF grabber > (http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html). > > Looks like SAQ has tuned up today for a time arround 10 UTC. The Alphas > are OFF again and the noise is maybe 10 dB higher than in winther, as a > maximum. I do not change the brightness between summer and winther. > > Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? > > How long does it take to get a full decode in that mode and what is the > content of the decoded message? If 4 H means 4 hours and the content is > a full callsign and locator (about like in WOLF) then maybe it can be > compared with DFCW-120? If so, i guess the range of a 1 mW ERP station > will be below 100 km, if conds are good (i.e. no QRN and during the gap > in the morning which is arround 8...11 UTC) and the RX is is typical. > > We know that no digimode can do miracles. However we often saw stations > just transmitting a few dashes. If these dashes will satisfy all, it > would be fine. > > Due to other projects (ah, i remember, it was the LF DX to VK times) i > stopped the local VLF experiments with the LOPT transformer. Also is > showed me that there is no real alternative to an air coil if a serious > ERP is goal. That was clear in advance but the proof was clearer than i > thought. > > As i write these lines, a small VLF flame starts to burn again. But > there is the MF project on the table as well... > > What about all the other VLF transmitting stations? We have been 7 > (OK2BVG, OE3GHB, DF6NM, G3XIZ, DJ8WX, OE5ODL, PA3CPM, DK7FC) who passed > distances above 1 Lambda. Did i forget someone? > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 26.06.2012 00:39, schrieb Graham: > =20 >> Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of >> the UK as well ! >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >> >> =20 >>> Mal, >>> >>> Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: >>> =20 >>>> Stefan >>>> This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on t= he >>>> Dreamers band. >>>> =20 >>> Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due >>> to your higher antenna C and mains availability. >>> You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. >>> >>> =20 >>>> I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with >>>> other >>>> persuits at present. >>>> >>>> =20 >>> Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large >>> tube. 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul >>> Nicholsons grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very >>> helpful for the first tests! >>> >>> 73, Stefan >>> >>> >>> =20 >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" >>>> To: >>>> Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM >>>> Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> =20 >>>>> VLF, >>>>> >>>>> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >>>>> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >>>>> Darmstadt, >>>>> http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run >>>>> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >>>>> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >>>>> earthquake precursors. >>>>> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced >>>>> him to >>>>> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) H= e >>>>> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU >>>>> resources >>>>> for that at the moment though. >>>>> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >>>>> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49HV80ST&from=3Djn49ik00wd so= it >>>>> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) e= ven >>>>> in summer. >>>>> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF >>>>> event. >>>>> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June >>>>> 2012 >>>>> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to >>>>> extend it. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>> =20 > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E59A43800008B; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 03:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbRtx-0000X5-0b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:40:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbRtw-0000Ww-FX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:40:32 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbRtu-0005Ci-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:40:31 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.8.75]) by mwinf5d29 with ME id J7gS1j02N1d7sp6037gS5G; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:40:29 +0200 Message-ID: <535C7AB088034F3CAF4C51D1FF382816@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:40:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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From: "Clive Lorton" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:04 AM To: ; Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 1.5 TVD_FINGER_02 TVD_FINGER_02 X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461209408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fcc66a90eb4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes 'Flash' traffic only on the ref G. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clive Lorton" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:04 AM To: ; Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > Gentlemen, > > Im beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. Blacksheep > as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo for technical > discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be archived and > design/construction projects can make full use of the search function and > files section of Yahoo. > > Just my two pence worth.. > > Clive g8poc From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9BCBB38000082; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh82X-0007W3-E8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:40:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh82W-0007Vs-T8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:40:52 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh82V-0007Dh-7q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:40:51 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5JNeoGb031528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:40:50 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5JNenj6031376 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:40:49 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE10D99.2030003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:39:05 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <001301cd4e5b$49a430a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001301cd4e5b$49a430a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW. > HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is > what they sleep on as a bed. > ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left > with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus > other things. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 17343f7e400f1005b5081acbd4115359 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000306050506050804050803" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:385909376:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fe10e36691a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000306050506050804050803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW. > HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is > what they sleep on as a bed. > ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left > with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus > other things. > Move to the countryside for quality of life Oh is this an invitation? :-) All the reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would have enough area for us all. Which day do you suggest. And please can we get a tutorial how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-) de dk7fc > for example at a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in the > city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe the tail > In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ tripe, black sausage > and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be > prepared!! > Meanwhile back to MF es LF, I am now CQ on 502 but search the band > and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum > de g3kev > --------------000306050506050804050803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton:
Stefan
You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW.
HAY is what animals EAT,  mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is what they sleep on as a bed.
ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus other things.

Move to the countryside for quality of life
Oh is this an invitation? :-)
All the reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would have enough area for us all. Which day do you suggest.

And please can we get a tutorial how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-)

de dk7fc


for example at a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in the city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe the tail
In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ  tripe, black sausage and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be prepared!!
Meanwhile back to MF es LF,  I am now CQ on 502 but search the band and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum
 
de g3kev
 
 

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Pete, I bought a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it’s very impressive how this small USB stick works. I compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive with the Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the same signal strength. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Have I got this right ?? Field day announcement for LF acty. Get ready No room for antenna, Tx is located in the middle of a city. Beacon cannot be stopped!!! No QSO is possible. The Field day FIELD has no room for antennas. What size is a German Field??? Is he winding us UP ??? [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 9af9bda535a078107136d2385fe00312 Subject: Re: Re : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4667.C995DCB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1494fd38c2c5d82 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4667.C995DCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have I got this right ?? Field day announcement for LF acty. Get ready No room for antenna, Tx is located in the middle of a city. Beacon = cannot be stopped!!! No QSO is possible. The Field day FIELD has no room = for antennas. What size is a German Field??? Is he winding us UP ??? =20 Qsl Beacon via email. =20 I rest my case g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Re : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Tnx to all for the ongoing reports. To avoid misunderstandings, the CW beacon is generated in Heidelberg = from my normal antenna. Here in the fieldday camp ther is no place for = an aerial (! :-) ) that can radiate such a signal. To many trees and no = good earth is available. I'm just steering the TX via a wireless = internet link to the grabber PC...=20 Unfortunately the data rate is much lower now so i cannot stop the = beacon, or don't want to risk problems when contacting the grabber PC. = So i'm not in the situation to have a QSO unfortunately. I'll stop the = beacon in the evening... No uploads any more to the temporary grabber page from here. Anyway, congrats to the others who managed CW contacts today! Sounds = like an active weekend. And i'm looking forward to the new stations who = will appear soon on the band. 73, Stefan/DK7FC =20 Am 09.06.2012 11:49, schrieb f4dtl@aol.com:=20 Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, attached my screen capture. F4DTL Nicolas -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Lubos OK2BVG A: _RSGB_LF Envoy=C3=A9 le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39 Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Hello Stefan, LF!=20 I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N = more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station = :-) RST =3D 599 UFB 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4667.C995DCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Have  I got this right ??  Field day=20 announcement for LF acty. Get ready
No room for antenna, Tx is located in the middle = of a=20 city. Beacon cannot be stopped!!! No QSO is possible. The Field day = FIELD has no=20 room for antennas. What size is a German Field???
Is he winding us UP ??? 
 
Qsl Beacon = via email.  
I rest my case
g3kev
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4667.C995DCB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F2EA6380000B6; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 07:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbVGR-0002LI-1N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:15:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbVGQ-0002L9-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:15:58 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.10]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbVGO-0005yQ-Nk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:15:57 +0100 Received: from unknown-00-26-08-f6-6f-9b.home (host86-165-168-78.range86-165.btcentralplus.com [86.165.168.78]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mf1GD-1SMQHy18kT-00OKwD; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:15:55 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Clive Lorton In-Reply-To: <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 12:15:54 +0100 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:2h8SoV+oYeMch3/KDxLuiaXxfCKWhtOya6OvXETj9sb ouha1NMbhsx4AQrw+KQW2XwqSzog2YzVcTYnZlZEsujTKGQKp0 qENK2HFwaCassRmdM+PuSRFQoMllJCjzlNZ4dMUr03FeG+FTib tI0gPi+wd8sx+YR+3C1nTaIeB3bR3aiSsKWrm40i1dG/lsMKFg eET3mER6ON9KdJm2ZG8t3329g/JoJrdbYjTQ4uT8RfykO7CjIT DwBOFSLRHs5Ikao3rOF+z/nbB83oVS1pKe+SbY9iBzP5TTGO1k 9BQXPvrobSTxEYUihc2v7zWN3SfYHUDVGKmvBmfmNK3pFpSQyA GvR1570M05j4/pSIQstOE0x3MQHKL8QnteMm88oHOX2f4cptFH ADCghZQ8zfB+6EZXoTOyqnjyx4yVD4xRVlWAiTqOBvHUrNLuOy Qg+Oo X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, HE3OM was at least 10dB stronger, but that was winter and in darkness. So difficult to compare. But your signal is remarkable. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Stefan Schäfer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: donderdag 7 juni 2012 22:20 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: RE: LF: RE: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445210720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fd10fc03e3e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan, HE3OM was at least 10dB stronger, but that was winter and in darkness. So difficult to compare. But your signal is remarkable. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: donderdag 7 juni 2012 22:20 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Thank you Rik! How much stronger was HE3OM? :-) Let's try in winther again when the leaves are down and the soil is frozen and i fire on all cylinders (as the US guys would say :-) ). 73, Stefan Am 07.06.2012 19:26, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > Hi Stefan, > > 579 on my 500kHz antenna (11m high, 25m long lazy-L tuned at 500kHz) and = weak but clear copy on a 2m indoor wire. > The only signal that was stronger here was HE3OM. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: donderdag 7 juni 2012 16:10 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a > challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo > against the QRN :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=3D50&customRange=3D1= 37 > so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ED42738000086; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl4wM-00008a-SN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:10:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl4wM-00008R-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:10:50 +0100 Received: from nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sl4wJ-0007rX-Kt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:10:49 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 21:10:46 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 21:10:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 21:10:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 312843.88963.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 25104 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2012 21:10:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=XlodPCiyLRC9QEYpZOhGFbsWNNYjQ5wt10aLrehwUakRfhWgCrO95iGZKY6uwnNFLHmU1wwZGupG9YsX3BoC6Zr2P5M2XhPOldSn2NOsdQ8bifpcFR46ba3/6ipP9xE7/PRgpi+BW6bwxw0MuEeujMp6N+7QLvg3WsYDNplP6bY= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1341090645; bh=q75BBJqraRRMjEe6Uqqaj4z0n/xRnSvFUv864OmExEs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=yma7TMedOcPn2C/QrGjPBMJaM+7nJNR9zIRJX2Fh3eGki9M2cR2YqVhkY33Bt7ZmtF/CohYRXcpgG4ASI66paqq5wBOHXwaHIsEBmdV2E/91g0H0QCKTiR8YCXveKaQAiP81RIf7tvhVW9c7wHASqRtyQHcVTyw8md07IBm3OCU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: rHDWsi8VM1no3fzlmo3Bz2yQCS8meEJg_YbBcZjl1RRkduj _usVS3XyHI5gRv4Z1nQRgdS4FZ0hIWiO9Up4ftAYxPlU05XyzaenShmEPhLf sOCjB3adkzKjpYRLXTp21aiK_iR4lQLI8xlhmE9e0wCAKLRaAp3sOabXS79T vZjjV3jUmozSFQzW.osPMu_QDeM9WT6sbIlWzzSVOPN_DtKYX0wfkwQTyILz FYAmcBYNRacD1tm7AJL7idJ331BP8L3vOlR32doWpoaJIQwoT2wIF87jildK vS3UhZh_fuztnX9lkJwceUS4VYD5aT7dudDfjfpkzRRaD_vDj8iK4aDgIh1. sW7mraxPwwPT18us_kXwwpJe5kTycuMASU9NqCgzmvljkhar7I8ep4OhyATp qrhl.tak7XP6QxCnyVikTC5nr5xnO2qQJL0M- X-Yahoo-SMTP: khKbo3qswBAevJSEf.Soeh08VpP3pgtFENUUoUzoJw6opDkeTsHZWXMBHg-- Received: from 64683d74b6134b3 (robertgjbennett@81.159.11.106 with login) by smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 14:10:42 -0700 PDT Message-ID: From: "Robert Bennett" To: References: <4FEF4FAB.2010103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <628FB34D9D1741F2AB02D0ECEB380F01@64683d74b6134b3> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:10:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: It appears that my PC stripped out all the illustrations when I sent the original mail. Sorry about that. Here it is again.....hopefully complete. 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Sorry about that. Here it is again.....hopefully complete. 73 Robert ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robert Bennett=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:40 PM Subject: LF: Re: MF dipole That means, for a MF dipole test i would start to try to lay it=20 > on the ground. If this works with reasonable efficiency, so that a = QSO=20 > is possible, it would be a simple solution for a quick /p MF antenna = > that can find its place in a back pack! > Like K3MT's Grasswire antenna?. 73 Robert ------=_NextPart_001_006A_01CD570D.2C3FC320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Robert Bennett =
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 9:40=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: MF = dipole


 That means, for a MF dipole test i would = start to try=20 to lay it
> on the ground. If this works with reasonable = efficiency, so=20 that a QSO
> is possible, it would be a simple solution for a = quick /p=20 MF antenna
> that can find its place in a back=20 pack!
>

Like K3MT's Grasswire antenna?.

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete, LF, On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% efficiency with a class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if your antenna provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output power), a well designed class E PA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW RF (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET. I hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but i can understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, although i'm not from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: edb41d4f5d54b008a5087ba5b1aefaaf Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050100080901000802030006" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:476023168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fd9015b707b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050100080901000802030006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete, LF, On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% efficiency with a class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if your antenna provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output power), a well designed class E PA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW RF (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET. I hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but i can understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, although i'm not from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT: > Well shoot me down with my britches on fire! > Mal > I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers > By RCA. > I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any > time because I thought they used special valves to achieve the fast > response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the > anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of > the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you > get a very fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the > PA tuned circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ > http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/ > I think the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency > TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work > OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away > with one set up. > Now to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes. > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > *From:* mal hamilton > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48 > *Subject:* Re: LF: RE: Class E etc > > Pete es Co > The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E > and well designed would produce 70% efficiency. > The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it > is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage > generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to > 90% efficiency if you are lucky. > Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch > to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not > careful about matching to load. > I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for > years. > Fets are probably more manageable, compact and safer regarding > voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high > current, like an electric chair!! > 73 de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* M0FMT > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 AM > *Subject:* Re: LF: RE: Class E etc > > Hi Ken > I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher > classes than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a > modern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. The > high efficiency output stage has to operate like a switch it is > not actually an amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully > on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which means a device > that will operate well into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If > you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple of megs its > not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking > about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic > field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast _rate_ > in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive > frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the > drain will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain > inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. > That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the > guide I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. > What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if > you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF > then there is enough empirical data from following the guide lines > lines shown on the sites I have posted that will get you a good > TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle > you colleagues then that will detract from the time it takes to > build a very interesting high power, efficient TX design well > within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP design being IMHO a very > good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the > components listing. > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > *From:* Ken > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 > *Subject:* LF: RE: Class E etc > > Hi Pete. > About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2^nd > order differential equations, partial integration and integration > by parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional > integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the > sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by > default. The reason I like valves is because they are very > forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack > and the cat warm. > 73s > Ken > M0KHW > *From:* owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] *On Behalf Of *M0FMT > *Sent:* 11 June 2012 19:16 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: Class E etc > Hi Ken > Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? > Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You > need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the > conditions for the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver > preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 > inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully off on each > cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / > space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not > exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode > clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in > the drain circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then > follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave will be > surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you > don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any > case the result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will > gives some starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set > the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / > Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is > the key. > These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well > above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from > the FET is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! > The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good > efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain > supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts > and is capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat > sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the > 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is > the way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking > for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to > get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the > peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer my connector > from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer in the > antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak > voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for > maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a > 50ohm match. This is done by either adding or reducing the number > of turns (about two turns) along with bringing the the transformer > to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead current, here you are > looking for the maximum peak. > Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin > work well. > Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers. > For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning > Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all > really..... > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf > > For design ideas > http://www.classeradio.com/ > For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a > scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. > _http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/_ > For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site" > http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > > > --------------050100080901000802030006 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete, LF,

On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% efficiency with a class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if your antenna provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output power), a well designed class E PA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW RF (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET.
I hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but i can understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, although i'm not from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT:
Well shoot me down with my britches on fire!
 
Mal
I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers By RCA.
I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought they used special valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you get a very fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/
 
I think the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away with one set up.
 
Now to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Pete es Co
The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E and well designed would produce 70% efficiency.
The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency if you are lucky.
Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not careful about matching to load.
I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for years.
Fets are probably more manageable, compact  and safer regarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high current, like an electric chair!!
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Hi Ken
 
I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I use to bring a PA into optimum performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there is enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the components listing.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09
Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc

Hi Pete.
About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space .   Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm.
 
73s
 
Ken
 
M0KHW
 
From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Class E etc
 
 
Hi Ken
 
Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken?
 
Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do with  A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key.
These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks!
 
The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak.  
 
Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work well.
 
Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers. 
 
 
For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
 
For design ideas
 
For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that  is a scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel.
 
For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX


 


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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 12:30=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor = here...

Hi Peter,

You will surely have audible = reception at=20 that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-)
Are you = prepared to=20 listen?

73, Stefan

Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, = Peter:=20
Hello !
 
http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg
 
The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - = Appingedam - JO33kh
 
SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blog.htm
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01CD53E1.A2D7EFA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DD3CD3800008F; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCAA-0000dy-96 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:52:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCA9-0000dp-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:52:13 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCA7-0001ui-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:52:12 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnwFAKR4y09cF/B0/2dsb2JhbABEnk8DlU+BCIITBQEBBQgBAQNBCAIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAQwEh1wDD6g+gz8NiU6KMWAChg4DiA2FMJdUgmCBXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="388191100" Received: from host-92-23-240-116.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.116]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 15:52:09 +0100 Message-ID: <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:52:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. I was a BBS SYSOP for several years at my GB7KEV main line BBS and never expressed a desire to censor or ban anyone and in those day thousands of messages passed through my system and some were controversial but it was merely persons expressing their opinions that differed from others. I hope you now understand my and others point of view about being associated with this Yahoo group. de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 91e1efbff209cbddb14bc9e018c2cfe8 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D2_01CD4198.72471D30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451700256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064fcb7a504bfd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01CD4198.72471D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a = move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose = opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging = or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group = but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. I was a BBS SYSOP for several years at my GB7KEV main line BBS and never = expressed a desire to censor or ban anyone and in those day thousands of = messages passed through my system and some were controversial but it was = merely persons expressing their opinions that differed from others. I hope you now understand my and others point of view about being = associated with this Yahoo group. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - rather busy on a = number of other fronts. However, as I have looked in to post the thing = about the poll saw the comments below. =20 What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can you = elaborate as I am not aware of this. =20 In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange the = Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using the = URL from one on the many published sources would be able to find the = group. I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be = saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on the same basic = topic. 73 John, G3WKL On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris wrote: Mal, I agree. Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a year or = two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF Today' and = probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably links to = this site from others which will be around for years. Vy 73 all, Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" = To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status John Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious = problems with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small = attachments and for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked = well this has been pointed out by others. I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get = more adverts that I do not need. Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on = Yahoo de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status To John, G3WKL, Please do NOT shut down this reflector. 1. It's active in positive sense. 2. There are too many hams here who say "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven Brave New World were each posting will be "googleable" for ever. Me too. That's the reason I unsubscribed from some Yapoo-Groups recently. 73 Peter, df3lp ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01CD4198.72471D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time = back=20 indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons = like me=20 whose opinions and point of view differ from his,  this is hardly=20 encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation = of any=20 organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING.
I was a BBS SYSOP for several years at my GB7KEV = main line=20 BBS and never expressed a desire to censor or ban anyone and in those = day=20 thousands of messages passed through my system and some were = controversial but=20 it was merely persons expressing their opinions that differed from=20 others.
I hope you now understand my and others point of = view=20 about being associated with this Yahoo group.
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - = rather busy=20 on a number of other fronts.  However, as I have looked in to = post the=20 thing about the poll saw the comments below.  

What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can = you=20 elaborate as I am not aware of this.  

In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange = the=20 Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using the = URL=20 from one on the many published sources would be able to find the = group.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be = saddled=20 with monitoring and administering two groups on the same basic = topic.

73 John, G3WKL

On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> wrote:
Mal,=20 I agree.
Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest = after a=20 year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book = 'LF Today'=20 and probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably = links to=20 this site from others which will be around for years.
Vy 73=20 all,
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message ----- From: "mal = hamilton"=20 <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: = Sunday, June 03,=20 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status


John
Keep=20 Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious=20 problems
with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with = small=20 attachments and
for larger screen shots then Dropbox is = suitable and=20 has worked well this
has been pointed out by others.
I = cannot see=20 any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get = more
adverts that I=20 do not need.
Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are = not=20 permitted on Yahoo
de mal/g3kev


----- Original = Message=20 -----
From: "pws" <pws@legal-medicine.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: = Sunday, June=20 03, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector = status


To=20 John, G3WKL,

Please do NOT shut down this = reflector.

1.=20 It's active in positive sense.

2. There are too many hams = here=20 who say
"no thanks!" to that advertisement driven
Brave = New World=20 were each posting will be
"googleable" for ever. Me=20 too.

That's the reason I unsubscribed from
some = Yapoo-Groups=20 recently.

73 Peter,=20 = df3lp






------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01CD4198.72471D30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 931A538000088; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Samz0-0006Jn-Pj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:59:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Samz0-0006Ja-B1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:59:02 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Samyy-0005C4-Ec for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:59:01 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Jun 2012 11:58:59 -0000 Received: from p5B3951C0.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.81.192] by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 02 Jun 2012 13:58:59 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19PdlYl/l1P6kxgM1kHa86sdj20b+bUHtdVzZ3QrO 6CN3HXQVLmwyvf Message-ID: <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: Cc: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:58:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting What is the actual tx qrg then? Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: M0FMT To: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 85c54099682e8e65d9e25bf804a68673 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD40C7.D9FD2D10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445521632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fca002e1de6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD40C7.D9FD2D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting What is the actual tx qrg then? Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD40C7.D9FD2D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at = all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 = 1:21=20 PM
Subject: LF: beacon on = 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =C3=BCberpr=C3=BCft - www.avg.de
Version: 2012.0.2178=20 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012=20

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD40C7.D9FD2D10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 659DC380000BB; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 11:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfure-00076f-Oy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:24:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfure-00076W-Bi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:24:38 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfurc-0002VM-Or for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:24:37 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d43 with ME id P3Qb1j0044U6hVe033QbYQ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:24:36 +0200 Message-ID: <6DF79BA13C6F42C081A7DFDA2F09D687@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <005401cd4bc8$0ff74c60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <005401cd4bc8$0ff74c60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:24:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Amtor FEC for navtext on 518 ? not used 2 way on 500 ? ARQ for hf , but with modern DSP , these modes are very dependant on Ae amps , compared to invisible Ros ! G. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: amtor 473 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0092_01CD4BDC.8486AF80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:331114016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b4fdca56407f4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01CD4BDC.8486AF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amtor FEC for navtext on 518 ? not used 2 way on 500 ? ARQ for hf , but with modern DSP , these modes are very dependant on = Ae amps , compared to invisible Ros ! G. From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:58 PM To: rsgb=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Subject: LF: amtor 473 MF Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been associated with marine = communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the new = band. Get your PK232 and KAM tnc's out and ready. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01CD4BDC.8486AF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Amtor FEC  for  navtext on  518 ?   = not =20 used  2  way on 500 ?
 
ARQ for  hf , but  with  modern  DSP , these = modes are=20 very dependant on Ae  amps , compared to  invisible  = Ros =20 !
 
G.

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:58 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: amtor 473

MF
Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been = associated with=20 marine communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the = new=20 band. Get your PK232  and KAM tnc's out and = ready.
 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0092_01CD4BDC.8486AF80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 090C73800008B; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiXaX-0002l5-3K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:09:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiXaW-0002kw-Gw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:09:48 +0100 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiXaU-0007Jf-94 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:09:47 +0100 Received: by wejx9 with SMTP id x9so3868820wej.16 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:09:44 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KqPCHH+jK+orA23p2evrgakrzw3cr7bGEw3tSTztWow=; b=qC/BFJHitsmgoWv/sSc5imzpCzX/xqpndKix59xSfDMCACkjY5FM4LTou7yVPjyC2H OUIjk2Sbak1MOnKn6nrnKlzEohb/VolamPaqa4zyN/bSDgWDUEHj1BPIzvWNL3QmHTP9 /CH00K4vxH7lXNZCUbUaONa2qdG+brJbGMdrcnKYlWfQ4LTxChGkrRNdufy2au60XYkX dKw6blkBvHWreGLYDZEt16M9OTQX5r68upOwAkIx8LMxuUthdoUeFVXhv9fGxDIV6Qvk 0W/JdQ9mGQgsd7A77OAyUQAamqDdhJk4LzrosScPaxdwBrg8msZk90G0AHFRwZjkTuQn Nzow== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.86.5 with SMTP id l5mr14101430wiz.6.1340485783880; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:09:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:09:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alan, I was a little concerned when I tried looking up the address on Google maps and it looked like a housing estate, most likely an error on my part. I will e-mail them and see if they can supply the part. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448272032:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d013.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fe630e73e7c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Alan, I was a little concerned when I tried looking up the address on Google maps and it looked like a housing estate, most likely an error on my part. I will e-mail them and see if they can supply the part. Vy 73 Warren On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Alan Melia wro= te: > Hi Warren yes Mainline bought the rump of JB and started to put some > components back in production because they had found all the drawings dur= ing > their clear-out, then about 5 years ago they had a massive fire an lost > everything including the tooling I believe so JB is I am afraid probably > beyong resurrection. > Very Sad. I did seem the name had been saved after an asset stripping > operation...... > > Alan G3NYK > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: "rsgb_lf_group" > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:19 PM > Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? > > > Hello the list, > =A0Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester > which now has taken over Jackson Bros? > I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced > link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB1943800008C; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 02:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkUoc-0000p8-Dd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:36:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkUob-0000oz-LI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:36:25 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkUoZ-0002Dl-Se for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:36:24 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 9EED31280B9.A3907 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EED31280B9 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:36:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0D1120041 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:36:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::f5f7:d8cc:bee0:28d3%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:36:16 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Thread-Index: AQHNVTbJ09TE+NJtzEaSexUSPxqXMZcQ2BCQ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:36:15 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB6B0E@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <2cf96a2ade514f53b8ce121dbfc0ee98@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: <2cf96a2ade514f53b8ce121dbfc0ee98@kabelmail.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.13] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Uwe, at these power level and with summer QRN you might have more luck using QRSS. If it is helpfull I can set up a grabber in JO20IX. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f7f918e40888a44a70dddae14bd6a529 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB6B0EICTSSMBX5lunaku_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448925568:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad04fed4d417315 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB6B0EICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Uwe, at these power level and with summer QRN you might have more luck using QRS= S. If it is helpfull I can set up a grabber in JO20IX. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de [uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de] Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 16:03 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in jo43sv. the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz. the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn. so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient. GL Uwe/dj89wx ________________________________ Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 06:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC ________________________________ If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a sche= matic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB6B0EICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Uwe,

 

at these power level and with summer QRN you might have more luck=  using QRSS.

If it is&nbs= p;helpfull I can set up a grabber in JO20IX<= a>.

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de [uwe-jan= nsen@kabelmail.de]
Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 16:03
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi all,

last two nights on the air:
oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in jo43sv.

the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz.

the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn.

so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient.=

GL
Uwe/dj89wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Gesendet: 28.06.2012 06:35
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

 

Always interes= ted ;-)

 

73, Rik  = ON7YD - OR7T

--_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB6B0EICTSSMBX5lunaku_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5293E38000207; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgxqH-0003Rr-8e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:47:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgxqG-0003Ri-SS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:47:32 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgxqF-0003mx-Bm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:47:31 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews08.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.175]) by cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:47:20 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.19]) by cpsps-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:47:20 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:47:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE074D8.1020906@kpnmail.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:47:20 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2012 12:47:20.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA936DF0:01CD4E19] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tks Tom, It's an indication what we could expect from our "Behörde". - 800Hz bandwidth no restriction in mode. :-) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:407120864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fe0750d7ad0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Tks Tom, It's an indication what we could expect from our "Behörde". - 800Hz bandwidth no restriction in mode. :-) I like this one: "die maximale Leistung nur dann auszuschöpfen, wenn es zur Aufrechterhaltung einer Funkverbindung oder für experimentelle Zwecke als zwingend notwendig erachtet wird. " "exploit the maximum power only, in order to maintain a radio link or for experimental purposes as deemed necessary." - with 1W erp! Jan/pa3abk On 19-6-2012 13:57, DK1IS wrote: > Dear group, > > to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the > MF-allocation in Germany which I´ve got today via email from our > authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). > > 73 and cul on MF! > > Tom, DK1IS > JN59WK -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 29CC638000083; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfw4U-0007hb-MK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:41:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfw4T-0007hS-Nu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:41:57 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfw4R-0002tU-8q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:41:56 +0100 Received: from W1KW (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.14.177]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LaeOS-1SDAuA0DpQ-00kOJ0; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:41:54 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW" To: References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:37:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:+tkcJJs/TgIDvsFJu9wxDB2GBpjKEx6lsgVvW1FK17F fOSlna75sxrMBRnFP8QcQZFDK698YGeXBLpotLQcgAZVKl2Rvy Xt2Q9Yois02FdLSO59KvgeKCL70xcNwFtuPpvbhptVy7l0StvQ jhIjHzxTlFk6CZJulb0KPZq7Ic8+wnoAO8glQbczTaV1g0qH3O HWlDK3E//PfN3FTEZ2I4GTw6BCItB0+lMCQVBToB8pGol487Tp CYwOOr8t/K0jgfW3wZKVzr7IO+fDqU0wg5LXKhr0iIkwyVRWH0 sGB2a62nzGDTSKwN2SMcpz8VAsITd7VU3OFi/Z/mjePcSIxQg= = X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham, Thanks for the reception report via Delft ... interesting ways these days ... I will keep OPERA running for a while on 477 and switch to old fashioned CW later tonight. 73 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 0cdfd8d5ce44f1724c623c4ac9f44df6 Subject: LF: Re: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01CD4BEF.0587DF70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470646368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4fdcb78e094c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CD4BEF.0587DF70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, Thanks for the reception report via Delft ... interesting ways these = days ... I will keep OPERA running for a while on 477 and switch to old = fashioned CW later tonight. 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:02 PM Subject: LF: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft=20 Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... = ! Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise .should = work ?=20 G..=20 http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CD4BEF.0587DF70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,
 
Thanks for the reception report via = Delft ...=20 interesting ways these days ... I will keep OPERA running for a while on = 477 and=20 switch to old fashioned CW later tonight.
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 6:02=20 PM
Subject: LF: Opera Monitoring = 500 off air=20 & 477 via Delft

Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the =20 Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  = 477 =20 via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  = ,=20 but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
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Content preview: Whoops may be its not all going up the antenna, looking at first rprts. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > From: M0FMT >To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" >Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 22:46 >Subject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG > > >Hi All > >Opera now 500 RX QRG! > >Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!! >73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.39 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: fc152e7304849b9a177649b85aea9f41 Subject: Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1358017486-1341008032=:98380" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:414956576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d278.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fee28d2260a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1358017486-1341008032=:98380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AWhoops may be its not all going up the antenna, looking at first rprts.= =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>________________________________= =0A> From: M0FMT =0A>To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" = =0A>Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 22:46=0A>Sub= ject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG=0A> =0A>=0A>Hi All=0A>=A0=0A>Opera now 500 = RX QRG!=0A>=A0=0A>Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF = block on DDS hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!!=0A>73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A> --435439028-1358017486-1341008032=:98380 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Whoops may be its n= ot all going up the antenna, looking at first rprts.
 = ;
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: M0= FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To:= "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
<= b>Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012,= 22:46
Subject: LF: Op= era now 500 RX QRG

Hi Al= l
 
Opera now 500 RX QRG= !
 
Bread board single e= nded Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS hope most of the 30watts = going up the ant!!!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX<= /div>


--435439028-1358017486-1341008032=:98380-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 535C838000099; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 02:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjlHm-0008St-EG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:59:30 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjlHl-0008Sk-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:59:29 +0100 Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjlHj-0002Cq-Uy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:59:28 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=mail.dk; s=dkim512; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@mail.dk; t=1340776766; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Reply-To:X-TDCLU:X-TDC-Sender-From-IP:X-TDCCM:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=FgVzgkpjPkcjwufvf9KpPuxgOVYCH/V7UKBrK+2lhWU=; b=Fxd1tETFemcmCzkIslKv+zcbEk/QNQAcw/19ZCGpkt7JyLxPwVxwE55sjinaWpoJ aRgw9xLXUpWshm44T8FTxw==; X-TDCO-HELO: oz7foc X-TDC-Sender-From-IP: 80.162.212.91 X-TDCCM: v=2.0 cv=BcxvGvy6 c=1 sm=0 a=2xLUAJHh/5GXj+iJBlPxmQ==:17 a=PzE8qx7xMp5Yj_GkRekA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=lJPh425HMivbRtqnwQ0A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=2xLUAJHh/5GXj+iJBlPxmQ==:117 X-TDCLU: MTIwMTAxNDE5Mjcw Received: from [80.162.212.91] ([80.162.212.91:46003] helo=oz7foc) by fep48.mail.dk (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.50 r()) with ESMTPA id A8/A9-07131-E31AAEF4; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:59:26 +0200 Message-ID: <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> From: "Niels Rask" To: References: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:59:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120626-1, 26-06-2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 rx on 472,5 and 502 de oz7foc ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: LF: oz7foc I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on this band I can hear ur CQ on 472.5 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.41.46.231 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 75bd9e83b9a4dd6aff3296cebc5bb885 Subject: LF: Re: oz7foc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04B5_01CD542A.06A09800" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:428688608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d276.1 ; domain : mail.dk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b4feaa19b483e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04B5_01CD542A.06A09800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 rx on 472,5 and 502 de oz7foc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: LF: oz7foc I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on this = band I can hear ur CQ on 472.5=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_04B5_01CD542A.06A09800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 rx on = 472,5 and=20 502 de oz7foc
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 7:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: oz7foc

I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to = be=20 listening on this band
I can hear ur CQ on 472.5
 
 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_04B5_01CD542A.06A09800-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C99DA380000A6; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuhN-0004V5-Ed for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:01:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuhN-0004Uw-16 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:01:53 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeuhL-00060T-EB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:01:51 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: E11E513802A.AD953 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11E513802A for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:01:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E090920041 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:01:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::f5f7:d8cc:bee0:28d3%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:01:42 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Thread-Index: AQHNSaQIX1eM2sLZ20ilbx7bAQ7J7Zb4ueEngAAB++0= Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:01:41 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAA7FE0@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> <002701cd49a0$0b38cfc0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <4FD8F8E8.8050000@xs4all.nl>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.12] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.129 (rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Walter, you are 559 here, but the non stop CQ call makes a QSO difficult ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: RE: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:388184704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4fd8ffee3c57 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Walter, you are 559 here, but the non stop CQ call makes a QSO difficult ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Walter Staubach [wum.staubach@t-online.de] Verzonden: woensdag 13 juni 2012 22:51 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Tnx Albert for info. Nw CQ on 472.5KHz, seems to be free here. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz > Walter, > > The carrier of the beacon BIA is on 474 kHz (AM 1kHz) the side bands are > on 473 en 475 kHz. > > Albert PA0A > >= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 41F2E3800FC28; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shr3H-0002rI-27 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:44:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shr3G-0002r9-DP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:44:38 +0100 Received: from nm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.58]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shr3E-0005S2-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:44:37 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 23:44:33 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.115] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 23:44:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 23:44:33 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 894843.51060.bm@omp1024.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 11143 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2012 23:44:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340322273; bh=jzmNHMt9qwErrlMYmeVAMDpYy6lHIULw7Nbmg4HNjRs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AMYEKEgaacuiLFVfQTrasWYsHE05UvPgTKeNwU+eThrEoeGFP1AoUwXJmErHHdRae0NexeNI89xupluUFyOoK+MNJCrPueHaK2kN7Eog5vGOa/6+dcIp+xMI/A/lF+w7RNWcQiN6riep0m7zNDAsgnR3eAhY8LArlAkcPa75/AQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QHAAwAZwd8XfILqgSc6k7XbhCTe2c22mjKCNYcCx32ljjPJv0mOh+6jUNvrzHl/eEOULtqYde8cR56V/lw0WgucOo30Nf/uAOLio4gsJNVU7NoKqxHR5vlNwPRCgaVLez6OLP1hixaZTx9MUoUIziKBE5KmxU0gXt0k1sQR1UuY=; X-YMail-OSG: 1Yo0t1IVM1la_haplCpfqJOAb_.CsYh2DeP66DPdtCz3FCq uQdN.RvVVYGfq1rVPcSHf1tVYlbSERbSZfNA7hdPsILT.2ZY9SzuYcjFaZUn sXaThz7Kc9lNTR82EMZ2JiceoZmJNbtSg0V0imQ_dIEKL6SsNZt7yrdXJr0S uQ4hMnYIG_N1XTn1VOtM8PCU.CbevJQMuZL26H7h390AVYhhyg76x3GcBTiA zjN3e28shjAwQ1mlAmEYGV0Z02P8gdfqMFefPRgO9gw8gvbLEkWxGDeQyI6M WTpaf.QduIto2h8QobpAOqsSk2YnmWeAdi2.SSsR9ARia3pLeGdwPbMMD.6W 6Aw3FNb1F.Enwb_rQrhsd1eh2SK_ntydQ1nf_RWOM9nH3mZgfw5YreYLX0ss ZMwJfxJamwLiYW77vnzau_gVOe8ijp5GB90_4VjlffpZFSLXbAodLBj9WrTZ LlzZe5.igcZSD7tJdnZr13wLLDGBhOj3hhIqPbV9rfZSiCSwD1BhAlRdGMGC _G0Y8vCoXetvWWSljs0gYdxb8t..fnTJhdpq727DFClxKjuan_5tLgmNBaaI fxNrJCl702eDt4x7jv3YOgZSfeEwx5sOS0amkeSIQ8d8ROxTfN2VdQrjUdhv 7ppdoUsxmzMv3GhciB_O1 Received: from [86.164.69.177] by web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:44:33 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <00c801cd4fcd$164011c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d401cd4fd5$373745d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1340312150.80181.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <7534B2BE5B5848289524F7662A697085@TraceyPC> Message-ID: <1340322273.1082.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:44:33 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <7534B2BE5B5848289524F7662A697085@TraceyPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Tracy  I have a fair over view of the SDR scene.  Price/cost is relative. I operate at the low end.  73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX  From: Tracey Gardner To: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 22:31 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.58 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 20fb97b64762a0bd80c12a4b2f6724b0 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1791826778-1340322273=:1082" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fe3b21a73e9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1791826778-1340322273=:1082 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Tracy=0A=C2=A0=0AI have a fair over view of the SDR scene.=C2=A0=C2=A0Pr= ice/cost=C2=A0is relative. I operate at the low end.=0A=C2=A0=0A73 es GL Pe= te M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A________________________________=0A From: Tra= cey Gardner =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g =0ASent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 22:31=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A= =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0AHello Pete =0A=0AIf we're talking about low priced SD= Rs, there is a relatively new kid on =0Athe block in the form of the Afedri= SDR-Net from Israel. =0AIt is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. = a direct sampling digital =0Adown conversion SDR. =0AIt covers 100kHz to 30= MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a LAN =0Ainterface for remo= te access. =0AThe best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shippin= g and VAT. =0A=0AYou can find more details here =0A=0Ahttp://4z5lv.net/inde= x.php/afedri-sdr-net-description =0A=0Ahttps://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b10= 22925e =0A=0AI've no connection other than being a satisfied customer. =0A= =0A73s Tracey G5VU =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM = =0A>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi Mal =0A>=0A>The whole rea= son these things are getting so much attention is the price and the fact t= hey are independent of a sound card or=C2=A0A/D converter.=C2=A0They are n= ot really suitable for or give any advantage on LF because you need an up = converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good sound card will out perform= these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO=C2=A0I don't think its worth persuing to be ho= nest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks people have been opening them = up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It looks like they don't e= rase the markings like some well known LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the softw= are plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.=0A> =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> --435439028-1791826778-1340322273=:1082 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Tracy
 
I have a fair over view of the S= DR scene.  Price/cost is rel= ative. I operate at the low end.
 
73 es GL Pete M= 0FMT IO91UX
 
From: Tracey Gardner <tracey.gardner@talk= talk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Se= nt: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 22:31
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs
=EF=BB=BF=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A
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Hello P= ete
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If we're talking about low priced SDRs= , there is a relatively new kid on =0Athe block in the form of the Afedri S= DR-Net from Israel.
=0A
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" S= DR i.e. a direct sampling digital =0Adown conversion SDR.
=0A
It c= overs 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a LAN =0A= interface for remote access.
=0A
The best bit is that it costs jus= t over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT.
=0A
 
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You= can find more details here
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I've no connection other th= an being a satisfied customer.
=0A
 
=0A
73s Tracey = G5VU
=0A
=0A
---= -- Original Message -----
=0A
From: =0A M0FMT
=0A =0A
Sent: Thur= sday, June 21, 2012 9:55 =0A PM
=0A
Subject: Re: L= F: SDR programs
=0A

=0A
=0A
Hi Mal
=0A  
=0A
The whole reason these things are getting so much a= ttention is the price =0A and the fact they are independent of a sound car= d or A/D =0A converter. They are not really suitable for or give= any advantage on LF =0A because you need an up converter in front. A Soft= rock SDR with a good sound =0A card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF= .IMHO I don't think its worth =0A persuing to be honest. However I th= ink with the DVB-T sticks people have been =0A opening them up to look at = the SMT chip marking if not sure. It looks like =0A they don't erase the m= arkings like some well known LF TX suppiers do. Oh and =0A the software pl= ug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
=0A
73 es GL Pete M= 0FMT IO91UX
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--435439028-1791826778-1340322273=:1082-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 34C4B3800008B; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbISf-0006Bj-CX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:35:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbISe-0006Ba-Si for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:35:44 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbISd-0003ks-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:35:43 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q53LZgFk011475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 23:35:42 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q53LZfmp032647 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 23:35:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCBD854.5080003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:34:12 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB7397.8020204@legal-medicine.de> <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> In-Reply-To: <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: It wasn't possible to take part in the poll even after subscribing. So this cannot be serious! Apart from the democratic conflict which is see too. I think the different opinions are clear after that day. Now i want to focus on amateur radio again, whatever the frequency might be. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=GET_STARTED_NOW autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:462745152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d54fcbd8fc603a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none It wasn't possible to take part in the poll even after subscribing. So this cannot be serious! Apart from the democratic conflict which is see too. I think the different opinions are clear after that day. Now i want to focus on amateur radio again, whatever the frequency might be. Stefan/DK7FC Am 03.06.2012 16:29, schrieb Graham: > Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the > yahoo group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in > yahoo , so this should exclude your vote from the poll .... > > G. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "pws" > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > >> John, >> >> You wrote: >>> ... >>> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >>> how do you want to continue? >>> >>> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >>> o With the Blacksheep.org list >>> o Both lists >>> >>> >>> To vote, please visit the following web page: >>> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 >> >> I got what expected: >> """ >> To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable >> Web Access. >> >> With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, >> links, message archive search, and more! >> >> Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group >> >> If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web >> Access and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. >> >> To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". >> >> Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? >> If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now. >> """ >> >> No, thanks! >> I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. That's all. >> >> Peter, df3lp >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ADF4A38000089; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 06:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdIgt-0006pw-Mo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 11:14:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdIgt-0006pn-2e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 11:14:43 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdIgr-0003mU-5r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 11:14:41 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFACIh009Ok8Jn/2dsb2JhbABFgkWyE4EIghMFAQEFCAEBAyApAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh364M4sngk6DGwOIDYUxl1uCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="374912631" Received: from host-78-147-194-103.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.194.103]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 11:14:40 +0100 Message-ID: <008601cd4628$ad66e410$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <01cd01cd4626$4081c380$c1854a80$@com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:14:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Terry Things are looking up on LF, 2 qso's this morning on CW. GW0EZY xband 7033 and G3XDV both on LF Tnx qso, nothing wrong with your CW, I copied it all. 73 gl de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry GW0EZY To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: LF: Tnx X-Band QSO [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 9be3f060697a097db7a337109fbeece1 Subject: LF: Re: Tnx X-Band QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01CD4628.AD326690" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:439687520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fd3225a2bf1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01CD4628.AD326690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Terry Things are looking up on LF, 2 qso's this morning on CW. GW0EZY xband = 7033 and G3XDV both on LF Tnx qso, nothing wrong with your CW, I copied it all. 73 gl de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry GW0EZY=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: LF: Tnx X-Band QSO Mal =20 Tnx for X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away some cobwebs in my CW = !! =20 73 Terry ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01CD4628.AD326690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Terry
Things are looking up on LF, 2 qso's this = morning on CW.=20 GW0EZY xband 7033 and G3XDV both on LF
Tnx qso, nothing wrong with your CW, I copied it = all.
73 gl de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Terry = GW0EZY
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 = 9:57=20 AM
Subject: LF: Tnx X-Band = QSO

Mal

 

Tnx for X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away = some=20 cobwebs in my CW !!

 

73 = Terry

------=_NextPart_000_0083_01CD4628.AD326690-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E63CC380000B0; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCqu-0001Yg-4h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:36:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCqt-0001YX-Nk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:36:23 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCqs-0002D8-1P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:36:22 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.16.140]) by mwinf5d30 with ME id HrcL1j00E31K0Qa03rcLS2; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:36:21 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4FCB7397.8020204@legal-medicine.de> <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> In-Reply-To: <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:36:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-0, 03/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: And the turn-out % for binding result is ? From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:29 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: d7fcd9b75df8d1b09ddef9df028bd9ae Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=GET_STARTED_NOW, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473101920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fcb84a21700 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none And the turn-out % for binding result is ? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:29 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo > group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , so > this should exclude your vote from the poll .... > > G. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "pws" > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > >> John, >> >> You wrote: >>> ... >>> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >>> how do you want to continue? >>> >>> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >>> o With the Blacksheep.org list >>> o Both lists >>> >>> >>> To vote, please visit the following web page: >>> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 >> >> I got what expected: >> """ >> To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable Web >> Access. >> >> With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, links, >> message archive search, and more! >> >> Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group >> >> If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web >> Access and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. >> >> To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". >> >> Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? >> If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now. >> """ >> >> No, thanks! >> I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. That's all. >> >> Peter, df3lp >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4F67538000103; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh2M6-0004ou-Mg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:36:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh2M6-0004ol-AE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:36:42 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh2M4-0005K7-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:36:41 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5JHacQE012480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:36:38 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5JHacIW020401 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:36:38 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:34:54 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw??? 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton: > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fc152e7304849b9a177649b85aea9f41 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080806000900060303000604" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:393045184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fe0b8d8443c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080806000900060303000604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw??? 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton: > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > g3kev --------------080806000900060303000604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw???

73, Stefan

Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton:
Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST
 
g3kev
--------------080806000900060303000604-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B83C38000110; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh1Pi-0004PQ-Rc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:36:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh1Pi-0004PH-B5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:36:22 +0100 Received: from mail-gg0-f171.google.com ([209.85.161.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh1Pg-0004zJ-It for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:36:21 +0100 Received: by ggmi1 with SMTP id i1so8774058ggm.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:36:17 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eOZ5q12+GDy+PbQ4Bh3O/uro00XHQKyWwg9K5iaOyW8=; b=TJ/11zEHGaZaFLZKqoZix54EvCPr5OtFA8XjXCQszv5oY1kRKtFB5hHF/rD+5dHeV1 0nZfmdHlIu09HdOmk7ZLIPXVVlmTrDzP8Hm1Ut1myV3Oq2AwR1KBL8ouYclDl+3qQOQl Iz457a3LyB4gDcv3m+1dehNs1+VymO7MSBb8C2iN2kZIShYF/pUr1WGn5z1h65WuodgI sVK+7S1axu9PTNjCTrmMr35vjqGdMUXsoeuIR7KRRrkcKyC0Rf8mk07/gEMFS+wNDlO5 Yi9XTlc4hx6A0zX3qZSZfVQ17LnHM1tVo+rPybhm3YyCb/CQoqJVREv7ySU3TVQ7vlWk QXSA== Received: by 10.236.165.74 with SMTP id d50mr9899883yhl.118.1340123777177; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.252.100] (h9.158.82.166.dynamic.ip.windstream.net. [166.82.158.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g22sm81176490yhh.20.2012.06.19.09.36.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FE0AA6F.8020903@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:35:59 -0400 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Messenger 9.0a1 (Windows/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: mal hamilton wrote: > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. Hay bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have loaded hay bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for live snake heads sticking out of the bales :) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.161.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dexter.mc[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e4383209d2ccb9552700d53c0b540538 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:371917952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d308.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564fe0aac37698 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none mal hamilton wrote: > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. Hay bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have loaded hay bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for live snake heads sticking out of the bales :) Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F3ACA38000082; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si3qj-0005YZ-MQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:24:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si3qj-0005YQ-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:24:33 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3qh-0005Di-Iu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:24:32 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhAFANZw5E9OlWce/2dsb2JhbABFoBcDlUmBCIIYAQEFCE4CBg4KDgEEBQMDBA0EAQEKJTMGFggGEwgJh366AYsugmaCPGADiBSFNpdjgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,458,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="385561712" Received: from host-78-149-103-30.as13285.net (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.149.103.30]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 2012 14:24:29 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <001b01cd505a$d79cd230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001b01cd505a$d79cd230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:24:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mal You don't quote the all important, the bandwidth that you were taking these measurements in. I've just done a quick look on my receiver. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fbdd513523001863775249cfaf215eac Subject: LF: Re: NF MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0656_01CD5082.B94A5780" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:387184832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494fe4725a76d8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0656_01CD5082.B94A5780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal You don't quote the all important, the bandwidth that you were taking = these measurements in. I've just done a quick look on my receiver. 20kHz DDC bandwidth and 10Hz selectivity Noise floor with no antenna < -150dBm Noise floor with Beverage antenna connected < -140dBm=20 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: LF: NF MF MF Experiment this morning on 475 Khz band. Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz. Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB attenuation = inserted-------------120dB Antenna 1/4 wave inv L connected 95dB therefore a gain of 25 dB Time 0900 utc ----daytime Band quiet no static -- typical radio = environment at this QTH=20 I must do this check after dark g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0656_01CD5082.B94A5780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Mal
 
You don't quote the all important, the bandwidth that you were = taking these=20 measurements in.
 
I've just done a quick look on my receiver.
 
20kHz DDC bandwidth and 10Hz selectivity
 
Noise floor with no antenna < -150dBm
Noise floor with Beverage antenna connected < = -140dBm 
 
73s Tracey
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 = 10:38=20 AM
Subject: LF: NF MF

MF
Experiment this morning on 475 Khz = band.
 
Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz.
 
Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB = attenuation=20 inserted-------------120dB
 
Antenna 1/4 wave inv L connected  95dB = therefore a=20 gain of 25 dB
 
Time 0900 utc  ----daytime   = Band quiet=20 no static -- typical radio environment at this QTH
 
I must do this check after dark
 
g3kev
 
 
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello LF, looking at this very interesting graph: http://df3lp.de/misc/hga22/ my understanding is that summer nights - though shorter than winter ones - could be better for reception of LF signals in terms of signal strenght. Is this conclusion correct? Thanks 73 D. 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Hello LF,
 
looking at this very inte= resting graph:
 
 
my unders= tanding is that summer nights - though shorter than winter ones - could be = better for reception of LF signals in terms of signal strenght. Is this con= clusion correct?
 
Thanks
73
D= .
 
---73641666-699257366-1339618104=:65016-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4D16038000107; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si6Ml-0006ZC-CX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:05:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si6Mk-0006Z3-Sa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:05:46 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s15.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6Mi-0007ME-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:05:45 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W54 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:05:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group , RSGB Yahoo Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:05:41 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2012 16:05:41.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF8BB480:01CD5090] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All, I believe that I have made an improvement to the MF captures. I have increased the sound card sample rate to 96kHz & this has removed the gain fall off at the band edges on the 501kHz & 472kHz bands. You will find the site at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73, Gary - G4WGT. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.26 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2c521345-2d51-4287-b14b-13c00738dccc_" Subject: LF: G4WGT grabber. X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:238177344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554fe4980f486c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_2c521345-2d51-4287-b14b-13c00738dccc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=2C I believe that I have made an improvement to the MF captures. I h= ave increased the sound card sample rate to 96kHz & this has removed the ga= in fall off at the band edges on the 501kHz & 472kHz bands. You will find t= he site at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73=2C Gary = - G4WGT. = --_2c521345-2d51-4287-b14b-13c00738dccc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All=2C
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= --_2c521345-2d51-4287-b14b-13c00738dccc_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5CF79380000F0; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg0TV-0001XE-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:24:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg0TV-0001X5-1k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:24:05 +0100 Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg0TS-00041d-Q7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:24:03 +0100 Received: by bkty5 with SMTP id y5so6671366bkt.16 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/T+K+sI6AchkUBDo4YJzsz2oRHhe1Y0dUmBttINY1WA=; b=g5bJtdpj/w0xZaS+xP0utMQJd1y+g9BPGpqawFYEL3ZRaGjbbkk5MS2PeEgjwkGXxL BAchkqDZd2fJJYLE7guf3A44n2GQY3impMobv7MMd864WVbgpYETRBuZutzk8f2Imjwo 2dhDm9MILWtE/MgfZhv33suopIFPBkPfvz460BbZBoWIcfn3I13RA1dXn/coqO7lQxUA r0uK+hm+6eXSSrEkjoW+z8bH24umoxRalbKoJcjoGLpmgkblLtOQLyvqR5sQNN0D1wyK BRMQ6bR+XVmqru0a0YCWbHZvybMia214TUxA9/6JScEMYEsOwNLxOVlVRPRad7++C4Go WmqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.150.76 with SMTP id x12mr4376240bkv.97.1339881840641; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.178.73 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:24:00 +0300 Message-ID: From: Chris 4X1RF To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jan, Stefan Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in real time on the Delfi WebSdr. 73s Chris 4X1RF [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (chrisgomy[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f7f918e40888a44a70dddae14bd6a529 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175dd9c62708f204c29d8d6d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471316096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m225.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054fdcf9b96d8f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0015175dd9c62708f204c29d8d6d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jan, Stefan Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in real time on the Delfi WebSdr. 73s Chris 4X1RF On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM, pa3abk wrote: > Stefan, > > At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ. > And stop when your CQ starts again. > > There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5. > > > Jan/pa3abk > > > On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote: > >> Stefan, >> >> Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? >> >> At te mom you are becoming better. >> >> >> >> Jan/pa3abk >> >> On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> >>> MF, >>> >>> Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter >>> in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the >>> input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much bett= er. >>> I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure= if >>> they are local QRM or a far field signal. >>> >>> My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for >>> skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in th= e RX >>> already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try. >>> >>> Starting now! >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >> >> >> > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > > > --0015175dd9c62708f204c29d8d6d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jan, Stefan

Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in real= time on the Delfi WebSdr.


73s
Chris 4X1RF


On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 1= 1:57 PM, pa3abk <pa3abk@kpnmail.nl> wrote:
Stefan,

At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ.
And stop when your CQ starts again.

There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5.


Jan/pa3abk


On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote:
Stefan,

Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call?

At te mom you are becoming better.



Jan/pa3abk

On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
MF,

Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in f= ront of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input be= fore. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can he= ar the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are= local QRM or a far field signal.

My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds*! I can r= eceive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX already attenu= ate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try.

Starting now!

73, Stefan/DK7FC




--
pa3abk<-> =A0dordrecht jo21it



--0015175dd9c62708f204c29d8d6d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5164E380000B8; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHOb-0005Zy-Qr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:27:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHOb-0005Zp-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:27:29 +0100 Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbHOZ-0003Yj-F8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:27:28 +0100 Received: from mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.130]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q53KRMfF015042 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:27:22 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host-92-6-242-34.as43234.net [92.6.242.34]) by mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 1025DE0000BA for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:27:21 -0400 (EDT) From: pat To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <8208EBBB3DEF446C8B540F5BEBB38570@AGB> References: <8208EBBB3DEF446C8B540F5BEBB38570@AGB> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:31:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1338755490.3947.8.camel@g4gvw-high-grade> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1338755242; bh=RwCNK+kqx2ORjSMo0U99LlEW58Xsm19oDuJ5S5F9Ufo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=xnd6c457JCut3O7FwcT7Y+qT7Wa5fjaV56+MLlwtmIrqqPOP/Zc4EU6xKSgmeR9ev atEeeO0zZcgzdyH6d8Ay1acGaGxuvktrnkWLFCkpACXDuxckUzL6K+Q2Pw5nx8h0yY v+ELdY/W4e6LZ+SHvbWaojkfKv1xmoKWaC4NMDk8= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:422864576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: There are those in the Amateur Radio community who have no other profession than Amateur Radio just as there are those whose professional practice amounts to no more than a hobby! On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 19:09 +0100, Graham wrote: > ''professional amateurs''. > > Ah .... tricky that one ! > > G.. > > > From: Tony > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:00 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Fence sitter > > > I will put my hand up and admit that I'm one of those members that > doesn't post very often. > To make matters worse, I don't transmit and only receive LF on a very > irregular basis. > > The reason I joined the black sheep reflector was to get technical > information to enable me to eventually build an LF system, and that is > the reason I'm still here. > On many days the reflector is full of reception reports which are of > no interest to me at all, also requests for skeds which again are of > no interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on 10m & 6m > which I can easily see for myself on any cluster. > All these unwanted (for me) posts are easily marked as "read" in my > email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy if all post > were duplicated over two different reflectors. > > So I shall continue to sit on the fence and see which reflector > attracts the technical posters, including "underground" earth mode > results, and use that one and cancel the other. > > I have to say that the last few days have reminded me of a girls > school, all bitching, tantrums and tears. Not really what you would > expect from grown up professional amateurs. > > Tony, EI8JK. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.105.146 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4gvw[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: Re: LF: Fence sitter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444990080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m219.1 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fcbc8de7dce X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none There are those in the Amateur Radio community who have no other profession than Amateur Radio just as there are those whose professional practice amounts to no more than a hobby! On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 19:09 +0100, Graham wrote: > ''professional amateurs''. > > Ah .... tricky that one ! > > G.. > > > From: Tony > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:00 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Fence sitter > > > I will put my hand up and admit that I'm one of those members that > doesn't post very often. > To make matters worse, I don't transmit and only receive LF on a very > irregular basis. > > The reason I joined the black sheep reflector was to get technical > information to enable me to eventually build an LF system, and that is > the reason I'm still here. > On many days the reflector is full of reception reports which are of > no interest to me at all, also requests for skeds which again are of > no interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on 10m & 6m > which I can easily see for myself on any cluster. > All these unwanted (for me) posts are easily marked as "read" in my > email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy if all post > were duplicated over two different reflectors. > > So I shall continue to sit on the fence and see which reflector > attracts the technical posters, including "underground" earth mode > results, and use that one and cancel the other. > > I have to say that the last few days have reminded me of a girls > school, all bitching, tantrums and tears. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: and there all true we even invented crop circles but not treacle and we all love HogMaw B On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:53:49 -0000 "mal hamilton" writes: > Bob > Are you thinking of Totem poles - they are scarey!! when the combine > hits > one and buckles and the alligator in the near by swamp is just > waiting for > you > These are the stories we hear about America - a dangerous place > Meanwhile back to MF. Is there anyone listening out these days for > me on 500 > mal/g3kev > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes there are dead snake heads sticking out ?? > > > > Bob K3DJC > > > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:35:59 -0400 Dexter McIntyre W4DEX > > writes: > > > mal hamilton wrote: > > > > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > > > > > > > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. > Hay > > > > > > bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have > loaded > > > hay > > > bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for > live > > > snake > > > heads sticking out of the bales :) > > > > > > Dex > > > > > > > > > > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.136.55.36 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (riese-k3djc[at]juno.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_JUNO_RCVD,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485206048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m024.1 ; domain : juno.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4fe12c3d2de3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none and there all true we even invented crop circles but not treacle and we all love HogMaw B On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:53:49 -0000 "mal hamilton" writes: > Bob > Are you thinking of Totem poles - they are scarey!! when the combine > hits > one and buckles and the alligator in the near by swamp is just > waiting for > you > These are the stories we hear about America - a dangerous place > Meanwhile back to MF. Is there anyone listening out these days for > me on 500 > mal/g3kev > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes there are dead snake heads sticking out ?? > > > > Bob K3DJC > > > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:35:59 -0400 Dexter McIntyre W4DEX > > writes: > > > mal hamilton wrote: > > > > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > > > > > > > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. > Hay > > > > > > bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have > loaded > > > hay > > > bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for > live > > > snake > > > heads sticking out of the bales :) > > > > > > Dex > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 890DA38000083; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdmL9-0004NG-A7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:54:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdmL8-0004N7-Q0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:54:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdmL7-00012V-9i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:54:13 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgsFANje1E9cHnw2/2dsb2JhbABFnn4DlViBCIIPBAUBAQ0BAQNJAiELAQEIAgEDAwENBAEBCjkBBBoGFAIOEwoBAgIBAYd+tyKLJ4JOgxsDiA2FMZdbgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,384,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="37835752" Received: from host-92-30-124-54.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.124.54]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Jun 2012 18:54:12 +0100 Message-ID: <005201cd4732$09160f70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:54:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM Subject: LF: Votes Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to go. g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 7ab87d4d3ea1d9dcb73a78e83fe4d608 Subject: LF: Fw: Votes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4732.08C75330" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:379700256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fd4df7d6329 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4732.08C75330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM Subject: LF: Votes Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many = voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to = go. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4732.08C75330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: mal = hamilton=20
To: rsgb
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM
Subject: LF: Votes

Well
Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo = group. Out of=20 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo = was the=20 way to go.
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4732.08C75330-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 22A1B38000084; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 05:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdI5s-0006CP-EB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:36:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdI5r-0006CG-SM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:36:27 +0100 Received: from mail-ee0-f43.google.com ([74.125.83.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdI5p-0003Um-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:36:26 +0100 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50so2528752eek.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:36:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :x-gm-message-state; bh=EmPE9gY/rrapNRYHYrKSyMBGnnykv8S1V3odoXCKfkQ=; b=P8NgqN2+30VVenGCzb536Kb66XvoDp/3hT1Q/AN4r9m8U2v1Jakx7gIm5oUVdB7M7g q+MSmCwzDrOSHbEBhw92R78v2cswba1QAO4yz3sATmaePFy9X3iEFw/fnPr9E8mKXFaw SlBh1iHCbrUGk8i3eLw8tjxWEZNNahNC4IfLzxRUGr8SG6fEU8UWULbbLV/jctY9VYVV tyumP6dtbTlPv4bp60Fp57EkgcKgmbcpb9on8PNGfJbCvVwx9qiHtw0SEW0Qtni/4E9g evntaVl4k319dG20p8AnmAc0QIKmsRIzrxnuftFeSGFi8TChEsQeEc1U7W5NFzy0GCnW JWDQ== Received: by 10.14.127.130 with SMTP id d2mr4786488eei.82.1339234584829; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.127.130 with SMTP id d2mr4786482eei.82.1339234584488; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Win7Pro (host86-155-18-158.range86-155.btcentralplus.com. [86.155.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g46sm2629924eea.14.2012.06.09.02.36.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:36:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry GW0EZY To: References: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <000001cd461f$4d2fef50$e78fcdf0$@com> <005e01cd4621$e0d34660$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <005e01cd4621$e0d34660$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:36:21 +0100 Message-ID: <01bc01cd4623$557e9090$007bb1b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1GIj4zhqrLfGlPRFOORlr/8SpPHQAAJUcw Content-Language: en-gb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlziM52EOf3emhjrD/rjc3Jd/FhyJ2ZpE84dWES3DHzZ4KAxR1aXS1FZiAz6Vv/u6xoUBn+FlNphpPfoHqg91/s/8h9+Q== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very rusty!! I see you QSX 7033 for 502 - do you do the same for 136?? 73 Terry [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.83.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: d2a449809c9c1ff1983612d049372878 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: 136.5 now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD_01CD462B.B7431FA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479035136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d262.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fd3194e40bc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01CD462B.B7431FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very rusty!! I see you QSX 7033 for 502 - do you do the same for 136?? 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 10:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now Thanks Terry. Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW where information can be exchanged in a few minutes. Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong and both ends have suitable antennas. 73 es GL de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry GW0EZY To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !! Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40 To: rsgb Cc: rsgb Subject: LF: 136.5 now LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01CD462B.B7431FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very = rusty!!

 

I see you QSX 7033 for 502 – do you do the same for = 136??

 

73 Terry

 

From:= = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 10:26
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136.5 = now

 

Thanks = Terry.

Join in. I can work at any = speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW where information can be = exchanged in a few minutes.

Around EU CW has always been = a suitable mode for communications on LF. There is no need for long = winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong and both ends have = suitable antennas.

73 es = GL de mal/g3kev

 

 

----- = Original Message -----

From:<= /b> Terry GW0EZY =

Sent:<= /b> = Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM

Subject: = LF: RE: 136.5 now

 

Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV = !!

 

Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579.

 

73 Terry

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40
To: = rsgb
Cc: rsgb
Subject: LF: 136.5 = now

 

LF

=

Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE = only, pse call

 

de = g3kev

 

------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01CD462B.B7431FA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 39F1D38000083; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SawZ0-0002Ok-CS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:12:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SawYz-0002OS-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:12:49 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SawYx-0007Vd-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:12:48 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q52MCkMJ024838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 00:12:46 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q52MCk70025093 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 00:12:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA8F86.1030905@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 00:11:18 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1338658900.90499.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA625B.4050505@iup.uni-heidelbe! rg.de> <001301cd4108$e21e9010$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: <001301cd4108$e21e9010$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Andrey, Many thanks indeed! That't not bad for June :-) All the best! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF/MF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:468393696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fca900e451d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Andrey, Many thanks indeed! That't not bad for June :-) All the best! 73, Stefan Am 02.06.2012 23:43, schrieb rn3agc: > Hi Stefan, LF > > just now > > 73 > agc > >> Hi Pete, LF, >> >> Pete, the RIG sounds good. Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well? We could >> try for a QSO if you like. So far i didn't see you there on the band >> if i remember correctly. >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5BCD138000092; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skiex-0003LB-Is for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:23:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skiex-0003L2-0i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:23:23 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skieu-0000QH-9b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:23:21 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.202]) by mwinf5d41 with ME id UMPK1j0094MjVGq03MPKr3; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:23:19 +0200 Message-ID: <86E82E780CF0405BB85C38C665DF38B0@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <00a901cd563a$b02b6be0$0200a8c0@boxa> In-Reply-To: <00a901cd563a$b02b6be0$0200a8c0@boxa> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:23:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120629-2, 29/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes an exciting game of 'Techno-Guess' HiHi What is the stated pass band ripple ? Is that plot 3 dB / 50% or 6 dB ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e2b7e65dcf7cf6551ab81105a525fe0f Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD5645.C947CAF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:514819168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fee1cf9705c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD5645.C947CAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes an exciting game of 'Techno-Guess' HiHi What is the stated pass band ripple ?=20 Is that plot 3 dB / 50% or 6 dB ?=20 Should there be a standing mA feed ? which may dampen the = device a bit , stop it wringing ? From: Mike=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:03 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Stefan=20 Have you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not = sure if it is the same on both ends? I would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both ends. Mike G3JVL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Sch=E4fer Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try...=20 -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical = filters=20 Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200=20 Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20 kHz. It is available at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=20 (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20 frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20 impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20 sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20 high. See the image:=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.pn= g So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green = wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20 green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red = wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web=20 http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20 shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20 output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20 stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2433.1.1/5098 - Release Date: = 06/29/12 07:34:00 ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD5645.C947CAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes  an exciting  game  of  = 'Techno-Guess'  =20  HiHi
 
What  is the  stated  pass  band  = ripple  ?=20
 
Is that  plot   3 dB / 50% or   6 dB ? =
 
Should  there  be a  standing  mA  = feed  ?=20 which  may  dampen the  device  a  bit  ,=20 stop  it  wringing ?

From: Mike
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:03 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical=20 filters

Stefan=20
Have=20 you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not sure if = it is=20 the same on both ends?
I=20 would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both = ends.
Mike=20 G3JVL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan=20 Sch=E4fer
Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Subject:=20 LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters

4th = try...=20

-------- Original-Nachricht --------=20
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-heide= lberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

No virus found in this incoming = message.
Checked=20 by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: = 2433.1.1/5098 -=20 Release Date: 06/29/12 = 07:34:00

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------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01CD4F26.FE1011F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 676943800008C; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdlFu-0003tF-Ls for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:44:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdlFu-0003t6-5d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:44:46 +0100 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdlFs-0000mv-84 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:44:45 +0100 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120610164443.VWHH28930.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:44:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120610164443.ULY13318.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:44:43 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:44:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4FD4DD06.28906.B44E217@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <8CF153C0059E7C7-1F68-E339@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> References: <4FD4CBA4.29154.B00FF00@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, <8CF153C0059E7C7-1F68-E339@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=v7GFXmkIAAAA:8 a=vxeTyCr6kQJ4u1sxyKoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Markus, Ah that explains it. I have gone to some trouble to optimise my Speclab settings to discriminate against the vertical lines and to emphasise the horizontal ones. This make QRSS/DFCW stand out amongst static and DCF data bursts. I am looking at the Hell from Stefan as I am typing and that suffers from the same problem. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.48 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: Re: LF: DF8XV? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453307232:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b4fd4cf511e57 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Markus, Ah that explains it. I have gone to some trouble to optimise my Speclab settings to discriminate against the vertical lines and to emphasise the horizontal ones. This make QRSS/DFCW stand out amongst static and DCF data bursts. I am looking at the Hell from Stefan as I am typing and that suffers from the same problem. Thanks also for the QSO. Nice to see my signal gets through the QRM OK. 73 de Mike =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > well this was supposed to read "DF6NM" - maybe I should select a > different font for my Hell transmissions ;-) > > Thanks anyway for the report and screenshot, and also or the very > pleasant qrss/dfcw qso we had this morning. > > Have a good time, > Markus (DF6NM) > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: Mike Dennison > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: So, 10 Jun 2012 3:32 pm > Betreff: LF: DF8XV? > > > Received a Hell CQ from DF8XV this afternoon at a good strength. He id > not reply to my call. Who/where was he? Screen grab at: > http://g3xdv.blog.com Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 06D33380000A0; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1t6-0002Mv-K7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:54:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1t6-0002Mm-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:54:36 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg1t4-0004O7-Q4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:54:35 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFAH0N3U9cHYyy/2dsb2JhbABFn3IDlV6BCIITFAEBA0kCIQsCCAIBBgEdOQEEGgYIHB0BAgIBAYd+t3SRcwOID4U0l16CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,424,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395087265" Received: from host-92-29-140-178.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.178]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 23:54:34 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01cd4c12$fc419090$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:54:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF Someone on Opera at top end of band. If working CW we could have a QSO. Now QRT for tonite 73 de mal/g3kev MF Someone on Opera at top end of band. If working CW we could have a QSO. [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: LF: 478 keying Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CD4C12.FBFA0040" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:202182384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fdd0eda1dc3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CD4C12.FBFA0040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF Someone on Opera at top end of band. If working CW we could have a QSO. = Now QRT for tonite 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CD4C12.FBFA0040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
Someone on Opera at top end of band. If working = CW =20 we could have a QSO.
Now QRT for tonite
73 de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CD4C12.FBFA0040-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6FF9838000083; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scdtc-0002JG-S1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:41:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scdtc-0002J7-F9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:41:08 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScdtZ-0002LG-54 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:41:07 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmEJADS80E9cHYyS/2dsb2JhbABFiX2ocgSBLIEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMlASMCFAoIBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHdQkHuHKLHUSCL4MZA409l1qCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,731,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="37480047" Received: from host-92-29-140-146.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.146]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 15:41:04 +0100 Message-ID: <002901cd44bb$8eef6840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:41:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I can copy your beacon through the heavy QRN. If you go into QSO mode we could make a 2 x contact. BUT how good is your RX and Ears?? g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:10 PM Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: LF: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487560544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fd0bdc60899 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I can copy your beacon through the heavy QRN. If you go into QSO mode we could make a 2 x contact. BUT how good is your RX and Ears?? g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:10 PM Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a > challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo > against the QRN :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 > so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB39F38000083; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkBzM-00056z-Gs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:30:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkBzM-00056q-2j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:30:16 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkBzJ-0000Uv-OH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:30:14 +0100 Received: from IMAP4 (balancer7.mediabeam.com [10.100.1.80]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5SAUCvh029490 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:30:12 +0200 Received: from [192.168.178.33] (37-4-36-228-dynip.superkabel.de [37.4.36.228] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpa.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5SAUAdS029455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:30:11 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEC323B.3040805@kabelmail.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:30:19 +0200 From: DK1IS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtpa.mediabeam.com id q5SAUAdS029455 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Am 28.06.2012 00:33, schrieb Stefan Schäfer: > MF, > > For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that > operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF > TRX can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input > power must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can > be switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the > output impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is > not so critical, Z=R may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The > FETs are IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer > uses RF litz wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort > for optimising the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW > QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a > 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm. > The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF > power. The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this > measurement. > > If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a > schematic as a png file. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG > > > > . > Hi Stefan, [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: Re: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:439060736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64fec328471d7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Am 28.06.2012 00:33, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > MF, > > For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that=20 > operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF=20 > TRX can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input=20 > power must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can=20 > be switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the=20 > output impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is=20 > not so critical, Z=3DR may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The=20 > FETs are IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer=20 > uses RF litz wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort=20 > for optimising the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW=20 > QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a=20 > 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm. > The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF=20 > power. The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this=20 > measurement. > > If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a=20 > schematic as a png file. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100= W.JPG=20 > > > > . > Hi Stefan, me too, please! 73, Tom,DK1IS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A96AA38000092; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkH3d-0006nJ-Lm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:55:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkH3c-0006n8-N3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:55:00 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkH3Z-0003ZG-Q2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:54:59 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5SFsuqU001953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:54:57 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5SFsuRi003175 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:54:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEC7DDF.8050906@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:53:03 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC18F4.9050608@online.fr> <1340875355.96079.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1340876781.29716.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340876781.29716.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi MF, Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png (picture of prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 8044ff87f22777286b33afb193e0811f Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070101020709040309030703" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485622592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41094fec7e95132f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070101020709040309030703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5SFsuqU001953 Hi MF, Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is:=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png (picture of=20 prototype=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.= JPG) Most of the parts are not critical. The ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are in=20 the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the=20 primary and secondary number of turns. There are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N=20 you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher=20 input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts.=20 Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise=20 between low on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Source=20 voltage should be 55V for a 12V supply. Instead of RF litz wire (i use this one:=20 http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI= %20200%2F30=20 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what=20 you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less. The overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is=20 quite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p=20 tests. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a=20 multi step switch and more taps. A DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal=20 coming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as=20 the peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before! Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT: > Hi again Stefan > The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@(( > Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be=20 > stranded up to make a synth? > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > *From:* M0FMT > *To:* "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > *Sent:* Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22 > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > > Hi Stefan > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/1608182= 53496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8= =20 > > Just over =C2=A35 a pop! > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PW= R-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f3= 26077=20 > > Just over =C2=A36 a pop! > But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite? =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6= ;0) > Chees Pete FMT > *From:* Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42 > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > > Hello Stephan , > Me too > 73 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ > > > > Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3=A9crit : >> Hi Stephan >> Me Too >> >> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX >> *From:* "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12 >> *Subject:* LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC >> >> like >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Rik Strobbe >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM >> *Subject:* LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC >> >> //If/ someone is interested i may convert the >> circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file./ >> Always interested ;-) >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> > > > > > > --------------070101020709040309030703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5SFsuqU001953 Hi MF,

Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%= 20475kHz%20PA.png=C2=A0 (picture of prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/= 19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG)

Most of the parts are not critical.

The ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are in the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the primary and secondary number of turns.

There are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts. Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise between low on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Source voltage should be 55V for a 12V supply.

Instead of RF litz wire (i use this one: http://www.reiche= lt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less.

The overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is quite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p tests. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a multi step switch and more taps.

A DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal coming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before!






Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT:
Hi again Stefan
=C2=A0
The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@((<= /span>
=C2=A0
Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be stranded up to make a synth?

=C2=A0
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: M0FMT <= m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org>
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
= Just over =C2=A35 a pop!
= Just over =C2=A36 a pop!
But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0)
<= font size=3D"3">Chees Pete FMT
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 &l= t;jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hello Stephan ,
Me too
73=C2=A0 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ=C2=A0



Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hi Stephan
=C2=A0
Me Too

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org
To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12
Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

like
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM
Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If=C2=A0someo= ne is=C2=A0interested i=C2=A0may=C2=A0convert the circuit=C2=A0from=C2=A0my=C2= =A0mind=C2=A0into a schematic as a=C2=A0png file.
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Always=C2=A0interested ;-)
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--------------070101020709040309030703-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 785A6380000B2; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjZvk-0006kk-TW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:52:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjZvk-0006kb-2h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:52:00 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s3.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjZvi-0008RB-1w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:51:58 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W51 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s3.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:51:56 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:51:55 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1340728957.15592.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <172D1CB5F32F43A790DBC99A73F73D59@AGB>,<1340728957.15592.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2012 17:51:56.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[60D37A60:01CD53C4] X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All, Pete M0FMT wrote :-When I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. That was my very first transmitter.....And don't forget...."Tuning high to low for a reply". That takes me back :-) 73, Gary - G4WGT. Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100 From: Re: LF: A/G FREQS [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.14 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: a44b221381f32eba3e5127fadf77bc3d Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_69ccadac-9a2a-43dc-96e6-f8aedb58d626_" Subject: RE: LF: A/G FREQS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471508384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d618a4fe9f6fd0715 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_69ccadac-9a2a-43dc-96e6-f8aedb58d626_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=2C Pete M0FMT wrote :-When I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a = QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. Th= at was my very first transmitter.....And don't forget...."Tuning high to lo= w for a reply". That takes me back :-) 73=2C Gary - G4WGT. Date: Tue=2C 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100 From: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00= amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. After all its just = the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in a nonlinear device = like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess you wo= uld PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and usin= g considerably less power over all. Class E an all. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday=2C 26 June 2012=2C 17:09 Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS =20 =20 =20 Steady on Mal ! this is getting technical =20 !" =20 Your right =2C FM has a cut off point =2C=20 where demodulation fails and also a capture =20 effect =2C where the stronger of 2 signals will =20 acquire and hold the demodulator ..always =20 fun on 2 mtrs when a mobile suddenly =20 takes the channel=20 =20 Am has no cut off point =2C but gradual =20 degradation until the recovered audio is no longer=20 usable ......eg=2C mcw would readable much =20 lower than AM speech=20 =20 I think much over 250/300 MHz its =20 actually not possible to produce AM =2C could=20 be wrong =2C but there is a limit =2C may =20 be by high level modulation falls over =2C dont =20 see why could not be via transverting =20 .......=20 =20 G.. From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Tuesday=2C June 26=2C 2012 8:36 AM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: A/G FREQS As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and=20 simplex working. I have also noticed a well modulated AM transmitter=20 is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM the R= X=20 bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then= =20 select the one of interest by closing down the selectivity=2C the same appl= ies on=20 CW. On FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a black=20 hole=2C in other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the=20 exact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation value) g3kev =20 = --_69ccadac-9a2a-43dc-96e6-f8aedb58d626_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All=2C
 =3B
Pete M0FMT wrote :-
When I were a Jate we only = had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in th= e good old days.
 =3B
That was my very =3Bfirst transmitter..= ...And don't forget...."Tuning high to low for a reply".
 =3B
Tha= t takes me back =3B :-)
 =3B
73=2C
 =3B
Gary - G4WG= T.

 =3B
Date: Tue=2C 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100
From: m0fmt@yahoo.= co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS
=
Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQ= V02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate =3Bin the good old day= s. After all its just the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with = =3Baudio in a nonlinear device like a Class C amp works from almost DC to l= ight!. Nowerdays I guess you would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base pro= ducing the same effect and using considerably less power over all. Class E = an all.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: = Graham <=3Bg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>=3B
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday=2C 26 June 2012=2C 17:09=
Subject: Re: LF: A/= G FREQS

=20 =20
Steady on Mal ! =3B =3B this =3B is getting =3B techni= cal =3B=20 !"
 =3B
Your =3B right =3B =2C FM has a =3B cut off =3B point&= nbsp=3B =2C=20 where =3B demodulation fails =3B and =3B also =3B a =3B= capture =3B=20 effect =2C where the =3B stronger of =3B 2 signals =3B will&nbs= p=3B=20 acquire =3B and =3B hold the =3B demodulator ..always =3B&n= bsp=3B=20 fun =3B on 2 =3B mtrs =3B =3B when a =3B mobile =3B= suddenly =3B=20 takes =3B the =3B channel
 =3B
Am =3B has no =3B cut off =3B point =2C but =3B gradua= l =3B=20 degradation =3B until the =3B recovered =3B audio =3B is no=  =3B longer=20 usable =3B ......eg=2C  =3Bmcw =3B would =3B readable = =3B much =3B=20 lower =3B than =3B AM speech
 =3B
I think =3B much over =3B 250/300 MHz =3B =3B its = =3B=20 actually =3B not =3B possible to =3B produce =3B AM =3B= =2C could=20 be =3B wrong =3B =2C but =3B there is a =3B limit =3B = =2C may =3B =3B=20 be =3B by =3B high =3B level =3B modulation falls over =2C = dont =3B=20 see =3B why =3B could =3B not =3B be =3B via =3B tr= ansverting =3B=20 .......
 =3B
G..
Sent: Tuesday=2C June 26=2C 2012 8:36 AM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: A/G FREQS

As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and=20 simplex =3Bworking.  =3BI have also noticed a well modulated AM tra= nsmitter=20 is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM the R= X=20 bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then= =20 select the one of interest by closing down the selectivity=2C the same appl= ies on=20 CW.  =3BOn FM if you tried this the =3Btransmission would fall into= a black=20 hole=2C in other words the =3BFM rx has to be tailored to the=20 exact =3Bbandwidth of the transmission (same deviation value)
g3kev
 =3B


= --_69ccadac-9a2a-43dc-96e6-f8aedb58d626_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EECDE38000097; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SesKI-0003I0-LC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:29:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SesKI-0003Hr-7U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:29:54 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SesKG-0005La-LB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:29:53 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwFADTS2E9cHn9P/2dsb2JhbABFn2YDlVeBCIITFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEHARw5AQQaBggcHQECAgEBh36YdqErkUIDiA6FMpddgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,405,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="384407834" Received: from host-92-30-127-79.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.127.79]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2012 19:29:50 +0100 Message-ID: <009e01cd4992$8173df80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:29:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF Now that MF is shaping up with DL permits and others. If you can find a DECCA sub unit 5501 it takes less than a couple of hours to modify/ adapt for the 472 Khz band. In round figure values all that is needed is a 22uH in series with 5 nF C. Adjust L for frequency of interest of centre of band. A matching transformer is then required to match approx 5 Ohms to 50 Ohms and LPF to the antenna. I use an old tube TV LOPT and it works well with good efficiency. A couple of hours work and you can be on the new 473 band. A loaded inv L antenna and you are in business. 73 de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: LF: decca 5501 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009B_01CD4992.8116CB60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:317040704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fd8dc6304d0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CD4992.8116CB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF Now that MF is shaping up with DL permits and others. If you can find a = DECCA sub unit 5501 it takes less than a couple of hours to modify/ = adapt for the 472 Khz band. In round figure values all that is needed is = a 22uH in series with 5 nF C. Adjust L for frequency of interest of = centre of band. A matching transformer is then required to match approx = 5 Ohms to 50 Ohms and LPF to the antenna. I use an old tube TV LOPT and it works well with good efficiency. A couple of hours work and you can be on the new 473 band. A loaded inv = L antenna and you are in business. 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CD4992.8116CB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
Now that MF is shaping up with DL permits = and others.=20 If you can find a DECCA sub unit 5501 it takes less than a couple of = hours to=20 modify/ adapt for the 472 Khz band. In round figure values all that is = needed is=20 a 22uH in series with 5 nF C. Adjust L for frequency of = interest of=20 centre of band. A matching transformer is then required to match approx=20 5 Ohms to 50 Ohms and LPF to the antenna.
I use an old tube TV LOPT and it works  = well with=20 good efficiency.
A couple of hours work and you can be on the new = 473 band.=20 A loaded inv L antenna and you are in business.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CD4992.8116CB60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 664FD3800009C; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeCpA-0006wh-Sm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:11:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeCpA-0006wY-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:11:00 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeCp2-00058p-2T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:10:59 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5BMAohg017282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:10:51 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5BMAooE027138 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:10:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:09:14 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF, Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night. The TX is already on air... In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it may be a bit difficult to become visible in TA. But who knows... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 87966b345956c8ef3389b993f6a18f4e Subject: LF: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:334643360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fd66d4016ad X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LF, Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night. The TX is already on air... In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it may be a bit difficult to become visible in TA. But who knows... At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for distances below 3000 km. Probably because the area in darkness is small on the northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away is attenuated. So the distances within the first hop range may be a bit lower than in winther but maybe the noise is even lower so S/N improvement of some dB results. At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done many tests and the radiated signal was even 3 dB stronger than a few days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm thinking different about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 92692380000AD; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbtb0-00059Y-6T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:14:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbtaz-00059H-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:14:49 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbtax-0002Kc-4n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:14:48 +0100 Received: by obfk16 with SMTP id k16so21056172obf.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:14:45 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GPbwF4Mp92wdk+ojyBRzcGkU94kXPiVRwjIX27wKzb8=; b=p5FhV6vGs/7DodON/4PLy4XNpWXfyKieFQ+FDhswra1M7Ew8ZCV3hI4ESM7qMweBPq w50dfJRNHapn48Tka8cp1ybiVt6M1C2+bQeJ7gJuWAq6fkFAiQJaANCgG5bqdOmlAUO3 vx5rqGlJP3OgGx3FwHHQVFu5hVf6TifX0JvbxuxCVaBKsuaUjI4MqqKAdPKVuTFJ6H8S 9OGe3tWrmk4MxPSYdFqnqhQmCCl2Q8SLGlSH7+9oepHYFGev+kuIcZx8ADcFMoy4lltW wPKrcaMtjITsU5GlFk2NjSTafft1W7bk0ykdc9q4KwxM1bZ+bYE9sOBUvQ787fsxxgb3 1JxA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.164.69 with SMTP id yo5mr15979209obb.17.1338902085506; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 06:14:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <008101cd4316$964358f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <008101cd4316$964358f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:14:45 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means that you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership of the RSGB_LF_Group list (yet). [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 0317e2ac8ed27149e57223a21580246d Subject: Re: LF: vote Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f642d8832176b04c1b96f72 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466680800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d283.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fce06736a8e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8f642d8832176b04c1b96f72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means that you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership of the RSGB_LF_Group list (yet). 73 John, G3WKL On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton wrote: > ** > John > I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open to me in spite of being > able to log in > I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors going and this will satisfy > all concerned. > My main objection was the way the transition suddenly took place without > proper consultation. > I would suggest everyone votes openly on both reflectors, to avoid lock > outs like we are hearing about from several others. > > de mal/g3kev > > --e89a8f642d8832176b04c1b96f72 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

I've just sent you a reply to the same message = on the other list. =A0I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail accou= nt, which means that you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated w= ith your membership of the RSGB_LF_Group list (yet).

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open = to me in=20 spite of being able to log in
I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors goi= ng and=20 this will satisfy all concerned.
My main objection was the way the transition=20 suddenly=A0took place without proper consultation.
I would suggest everyone votes openly on both ref= lectors,=20 to avoid lock outs like we are hearing about from several others.
=A0
de mal/g3kev
=A0

--e89a8f642d8832176b04c1b96f72-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 101BA380000BC; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl186-0007gn-V2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:06:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl186-0007ge-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:06:42 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sl184-0006pX-E7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:06:41 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai4FAGcx709cF/7u/2dsb2JhbABFoF4DlXSBCIITBQEBBQgBAQMQOQITGQEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfrtEizuCfoMcA4gXhTeXaYJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,503,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="377500672" Received: from host-92-23-254-238.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.238]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 18:06:39 +0100 Message-ID: <002301cd56e2$b54fb5b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008501cd56d5$f5c084b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <0384C214D0514315B65DAD68864962C1@W1KW> <000b01cd56d8$84122a00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <001701cd56d9$9e02ad80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:06:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF It seems to me there are more learners on 500 Khz than experienced operators, whereas 160 metres has Experts galore. No one knows who tuned up and tested earlier today or admits it, of course they might have been zapped by lightening and expired In a rain forest with storms and lightening who would do that !! instead head for the beach. Strange world de g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 081739af09bdcbecda01e4d970c01b31 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: test 476.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01CD56E2.B484EBA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:483466688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84fef326e321d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CD56E2.B484EBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF It seems to me there are more learners on 500 Khz than experienced = operators, whereas 160 metres has Experts galore. No one knows who tuned up and tested earlier today or admits it, of = course they might have been zapped by lightening and expired In a rain forest with storms and lightening who would do that !! instead = head for the beach. Strange world de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:01 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: test 476.5 Geri There is someone extremely weak on the frequency but no good for a cw = qso at present. Strange where the strong signal went to !! I just happened to be in the shack at the time when the stn tuned up = and suddenly went QRT. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:53 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: test 476.5 Geri I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST and some V's for a few = seconds was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it DK7FC De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: LF: Re: test 476.5 Mal, I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX 502. 73 Geri, DK8KW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: LF: test 476.5 Stn tst on 476.5 599=20 qsx 502=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CD56E2.B484EBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
It seems to me there are more learners on 500 = Khz than=20 experienced operators, whereas 160 metres has Experts = galore.
No one knows who tuned up and tested earlier = today or=20 admits it, of course they might have been zapped by lightening and=20 expired
In a rain forest with storms and lightening who = would do=20 that !! instead head for the beach.
Strange world
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 4:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: test = 476.5

Geri
There is someone extremely weak on the = frequency but no=20 good for a cw qso at present. Strange where the strong signal went to=20 !!
I just happened to be in the shack at the time = when the=20 stn tuned up and suddenly went QRT.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 3:53=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: test = 476.5

Geri
I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST = and some V's=20 for a few seconds was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it=20 DK7FC
De mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Holger = 'Geri', DK8KW -=20 DI2BO - W1KW
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, June 30, = 2012 3:47=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: test = 476.5

Mal,
 
I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, = QSX=20 502.
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, June 30, = 2012 5:35=20 PM
Subject: LF: test = 476.5

Stn tst on 476.5 599
qsx 502
de mal/g3kev
=
 
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CD56E2.B484EBA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3DB3A380000A1; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkiYn-0003E9-0t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:17:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkiYm-0003E0-BK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:17:00 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkiYk-0000MG-7d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:16:59 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.202]) by mwinf5d41 with ME id UMGu1j0084MjVGq03MGuF4; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:16:57 +0200 Message-ID: <5DCDBF0ADD564CB1947F77646CFA5ECE@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:16:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120629-2, 29/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Is that series or parallel |Z| ? Also will need the correct parallel capacitance valve cct shows the anode amps passing via the filter ? odd ? but if its for this kind of service , then the |Z| is referring to anode load values , which are not 'real' but complex [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 6ae5fe68d6708d1e4a9cbdf0f0af43e5 Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CD5644.E3754250" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:507613632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a4fee1b800707 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CD5644.E3754250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is that series or parallel |Z| ? Also will need the correct = parallel capacitance=20 valve cct shows the anode amps passing via the filter ? odd ? = but if its for this kind of service , then the |Z| is referring = to anode load values , which are not 'real' but complex=20 Data sheet , cannot read, say load termination |Z| or = terminate with Ohms ?=20 G..=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:26 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try...=20 -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical = filters=20 Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200=20 Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20 kHz. It is available at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=20 (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20 frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20 impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20 sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20 high. See the image:=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.pn= g So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green = wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20 green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red = wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web=20 http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20 shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20 output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20 stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CD5644.E3754250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is  that  series  or  parallel  |Z|  = ? =20 Also  will  need  the  correct  = parallel  =20 capacitance
 
valve  cct  shows  the  anode  amps =20 passing  via  the filter  ?  odd  ? but if = its =20 for  this  kind of  service , then  the  |Z| = is =20 referring  to  anode  load  values , which are  = not   'real'  but  complex
 
Data  sheet , cannot  read,    say =20 load  termination  |Z| or   terminate  = with  Ohms=20 ?
 
G.. 
 
 

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:26 PM
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical = filters

4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht --------=20
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer CTRL + Click = to follow link"=20 = href=3D"mailto:schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>"><schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC
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Thanks, 73 [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dk8kw.di2bo[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: bc223f74149f392a7d9f3881f05f1e70 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4C09.547E1C60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:495107808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d013.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fdce28c0f66 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4C09.547E1C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, I will look into ROS, I have a SSB exciter that works down to 100 kHz = which should be able to do the trick. Thanks, 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 DF2JP=20 First station to decode off air , at -22 dB that is strong = enough to use the ROS-MF-2 data mode for a qso ! , Opera qso = mode needs -20 dB min signal level ,=20 (ROS MF needs Audio + ssb or SDR tx , but is MFSK so no need = for a linear PA ) 18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w + = Umbrella,=20 18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com=20 Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft =20 73 -G.=20 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB *********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20 16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4C09.547E1C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,
 
I will look into ROS, I have a SSB = exciter=20 that works down to 100 kHz which should be able to do the=20 trick.
 
 
Thanks, 73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 9:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera = decode=20 from 477 via Delft sdr

DF2JP
 
First  station  to  decode  off  air , = at =20 -22 dB   that is  strong enough  to  use = the =20 ROS-MF-2  data  mode  for  a qso !   ,=20 Opera  qso mode  needs  -20 dB min signal  = level  ,=20
 
(ROS MF needs  Audio + ssb  or  SDR   = tx  ,=20 but  is  MFSK  so  no need  for  a  = linear=20 PA )
 

18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella,

18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com
Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

*********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20

 

16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Group, The beacon will be on again tonight 2300 UTC until tomorrow 13 June 0930 UTC with a CW ID. Reports of reception will be appreciated! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: cc2e5baae40f8f7a09b47e6877ef0bfb Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:495390656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074fd7c2ed5ce5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Group, The beacon will be on again tonight 2300 UTC until tomorrow 13 June 0930 UTC with a CW ID. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all  You must make sure the stick has an RTL2832 chip set! HDSDR is a windows application. The BorIP app is in a windows version (and this also gives remote operation facility) and the DLL will also run under windows. I have it working on several PCs two on Vista and one on Win 7.  The set up is not perfect in that the software can loose track of the stick LO if too large frequency jumps are undertaken and restarts of the application are required. However normal use say within the 20 to 30meg range when used as a HF IF it is not an issue. I have not explored the full envelope but on 2m and 70cms I get the local repeaters OK its great for airband RX. I think may be for 1296 it may need a Gasfet front end (this works from my experience) or very good beam.  For first hand information Google or in my case Yahooooo Balit Seeber (he is a VK Op) an OZ. He has written all the software and up set the OZ establishment by logging all the radio emitters in OZ electronically something the their government can't do........ a bit of a wiz!! and very helpful  http://spench.net/  http://wiki.spench.net/wiki/RTL2832   For info. This arrangement works well. The rate of processing data is low 8b/s which is inferior to say a softrock and sound card. But to have the HF spectrum as a continuous ribbon of tuning is a buzz. My HF converter seems to require no front end amplification in fact on 40m at night it can overload. An attenuator may be considered. The application does have a gain control and should be set carefully about mid range for starters. For LF an amp probably could be considered. The up converter is open to experiment to cover what ever is your interests.  This is a very cheap solution that works and is within any Radio Amateurs ability to make up even if just to cover VHF. The cost is peanuts...... oh and the HDSDR has offsets in dial calibration for just this set up so by using known BC stns the dial can be set very accurately making the set up a useful instrument for tracking down harmonics and [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.199 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ce3df9f2acd7587159138e0455ceb9aa Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-84687347-1340272452=:94029" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472905952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d247.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4fe2ef826fe2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-84687347-1340272452=:94029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=0A=C2=A0=0AYou must make sure the stick has an RTL2832 chip set!=0AH= DSDR is a windows application. The BorIP app is=C2=A0in a windows version (= and this also gives remote operation facility) and the DLL will also run un= der windows. I have it working on several PCs two on Vista and one on Win 7= .=0A=C2=A0=0AThe set up is not perfect in that the software can loose track= of the stick LO if too large frequency jumps are undertaken and restarts o= f the application are required. However normal use say within the 20 to 30m= eg range when used as a HF IF it is not an issue. I have not explored the f= ull envelope but=C2=A0on 2m and 70cms I get the local repeaters=C2=A0OK its= great for airband RX. I think may be for 1296 it may need a Gasfet front e= nd=C2=A0(this works from my experience) or very good beam.=0A=C2=A0=0AFor f= irst hand information Google or in my case Yahooooo Balit Seeber=C2=A0(he i= s a VK=C2=A0Op)=C2=A0an OZ.=C2=A0He has written all the software and up set= the OZ establishment=C2=A0by logging all the radio emitters in OZ electron= ically=C2=A0something the their government can't do........ a bit of a wiz!= ! and very helpful=0A=C2=A0=0Ahttp://spench.net/=0A=C2=A0=0Ahttp://wiki.spe= nch.net/wiki/RTL2832=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AFor info. This arrangement works w= ell. The rate of processing data is low 8b/s which is inferior to say a sof= trock and sound card. But to have the=C2=A0HF spectrum as a continuous ribb= on of tuning is a buzz. My HF converter seems to require no front end ampli= fication in fact on 40m at night it can overload. An attenuator may be cons= idered. The application does have a gain control and should be set carefull= y about mid range for starters. For LF an amp probably could be considered.= The up converter is open to experiment to cover what ever is your interest= s.=0A=C2=A0=0AThis is a very cheap solution that works and is within any Ra= dio Amateurs ability to make up even if just to cover VHF.=0AThe cost is pe= anuts...... oh and the HDSDR has offsets in dial calibration for just this = set up so by using known BC stns the dial can be set very accurately making= the set up a useful instrument for tracking down harmonics and sprogs.=0A7= 3 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From:= Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASen= t: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 0:24=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A =0A=0A = =0AIve=C2=A0 got=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 1970's=C2=A0 5 Guilder note=C2=A0 if =0Athat= 's=C2=A0 any=C2=A0 good ?=C2=A0 =0A=0AYou=C2=A0 need to=C2=A0 look=C2=A0 o= ut=C2=A0 for the=C2=A0 chip=C2=A0 =0Anumber=C2=A0 that's=C2=A0 being=C2=A0 = used=C2=A0 , its=C2=A0 used in =0Avarious=C2=A0 brands=C2=A0 , check the=C2= =A0 posted=C2=A0 lists=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 =0Athe=C2=A0 latest=C2=A0 info=C2=A0= , Pete=C2=A0 may=C2=A0 have the=C2=A0 =0Ainfo=C2=A0 you=C2=A0 need=C2=A0 ?= =0A=0AG. =0A=0A =0AFrom: mal hamilton =0ASent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12= :16 AM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR program= s =0A =0ANot long. Heard the Lira was making a comeback in Italy. =0AYour = =C2=A35 stick costs 3,784,227 Lira also in some parts of Ireland they are u= sing =0Athe Punt again in some shops. =0AI have found on holidays in EU th= ey like the US$ and the =0ABritish =C2=A3 and give a good rate of exchange.= =0AI might try one of the TV digi sticks, which is the best =0Abrand =0Ad= e mal/g3kev =0A=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: = M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Wednesday, June 20, = 2012 6:40 PM =0A>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A>=0A> =0A> =0A>Hi all = =0A>Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long the= y will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s =C2=A0BorIP app = and ExtIO.USRP DLL using =C2=A0ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2= 832 (chip set) DVB-T USB stick. =0A>These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks ar= e about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gi= gs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monol= ithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too= can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts= all run off the USB supply just add antenna. =0A>Oh and guess what the s= tick gets you all your local digital TV stations with record facility and = all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80=99s not enough all your loc= al FM BC as well. =C2=A0Not a lot of people know that! =0A>URLs apply=E2= =80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 =0A>https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_pr= oduct=3D239 =0A>http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compa= tibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/ =0A>You won=E2=80=99t read about this = in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) =0A>Yy 73=C2=A0 Pete M0fmt =0A>=0A>= =0A>=C2=A0 =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>______________________= __________=0A>From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 201= 2, 18:40=0A>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A>=0A>Hi Piotr,=0A>=0A>Thanks f= or the overview of =0A programs. That's what i searched for.=0A>But maybe = i have expressed wrongly =0A what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also= for a mono input, not only for =0A IQ inputs. Are the programs you're ref= erring on usable for both, IQ and =0A mono?=0A>Well, i'm waiting for one o= f my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) =0A answer. If there is a solution = in SpecLab i would prefer that i =0A think...=0A>=0A>Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC= =0A>=0A>> Hi Stefan, LF=0A>> =0A>> i have SDR-IQ receiver from=C2=A0 RFSpac= e. The primary supporting =0A software for all their sdr=C2=A0 hardware is= Spectravue.=0A>> you can =0A download this program from the rfspace site:= =0A>> =0A>> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html=0A>> =0A>> i do = recommend this program=C2=A0 although it is sligthly difficult =0A to get = started.=0A>> However,=C2=A0 once you get familiar with it you will =0A li= ke it:)=0A>> =0A>> on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com=C2=A0 you =0A wi= ll also find a link to sdr -radio:=0A>> =0A>> http://www.sdr-radio.com/=0A>= > =0A>>=C2=A0 they have a =0A very powerful radio console which looks like= a regular transceiver front =0A side=0A>>=C2=A0 It has many many differen= t options - of course, it does =0A take time to learn all of them but the = basic setup is rather easy..=0A>> =0A>> i also recommend=C2=A0 HDSDR softwa= re:=C2=A0 http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html=0A>> very intuitive and =0A easy = to use.=0A>> =0A>> Well, there is a growing number of sdr software =0A sup= porting=C2=A0 sdr hardware.=C2=A0 an example of such collection of sdr =0A = programs you can find here:=0A>> =0A>> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfq= radio/soundcard_sdr_software=0A>> =0A>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ=0A>> =0A>> qth: Lodz =0A /jo91rs/=0A>> =0A>> = =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> --435439028-84687347-1340272452=:94029 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi can any one give me some advice on how to fill out ofcoms nov, i am a bit stuck. David G6WGZ From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 18:51 Subject: RE: LF: A/G FREQS [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.71 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (julieblinx[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 52d17ee6003fa6763aae891a69410baf Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-796194823-913339264-1340745569=:6806" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1494fea278f22a9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---796194823-913339264-1340745569=:6806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi can any one give me some advice on how to fill out ofcoms nov, i am a bi= t stuck.=0ADavid G6WGZ=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gar= y G4WGT =0ATo: LF Group = =0ASent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 18:51=0ASubject: RE: LF: A/G FREQS=0A=0A= =0AHi All,=0A=A0=0APete M0FMT wrote :-=0AWhen I were a Jate we only had one= xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good = old days.=0A=A0=0AThat was my very=A0first transmitter.....And don't forget= ...."Tuning high to low for a reply".=0A=A0=0AThat takes me back=A0 :-)=0A= =A0=0A73,=0A=A0=0AGary - G4WGT.=0A=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A__________________________= ______=0ADate: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100=0AFrom: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0ASubject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS=0A=0A=0AWell = Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 ampl= itude modulated on the plate=A0in the good old days. After all its just the= product of mixing two frequencies 432 with=A0audio in a nonlinear device l= ike a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess you wou= ld PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and using= considerably less power over all. Class E an all.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT= IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Tuesday, 26 June= 2012, 17:09=0ASubject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS=0A=0A=0ASteady on Mal !=A0=A0 thi= s=A0 is getting=A0 technical=A0 !"=0A=0AYour=A0 right=A0 , FM has a=A0 cut = off=A0 point=A0 , where=A0 demodulation fails=A0 and=A0 also=A0 a=A0 captur= e=A0 effect , where the=A0 stronger of=A0 2 signals=A0 will=A0 acquire=A0 a= nd=A0 hold the=A0 demodulator ..always=A0=A0 fun=A0 on 2=A0 mtrs=A0=A0 when= a=A0 mobile=A0 suddenly=A0 takes=A0 the=A0 channel =0A=0AAm=A0 has no=A0 c= ut off=A0 point , but=A0 gradual=A0 degradation=A0 until the=A0 recovered= =A0 audio=A0 is no=A0 longer usable=A0 ......eg, =A0mcw=A0 would=A0 readabl= e=A0 much=A0 lower=A0 than=A0 AM speech =0A=0AI think=A0 much over=A0 250/3= 00 MHz=A0=A0 its=A0 actually=A0 not=A0 possible to=A0 produce=A0 AM=A0 , co= uld be=A0 wrong=A0 , but=A0 there is a=A0 limit=A0 , may=A0=A0 be=A0 by=A0 = high=A0 level=A0 modulation falls over , dont=A0 see=A0 why=A0 could=A0 not= =A0 be=A0 via=A0 transverting=A0 ....... =0A=0AG..=0A=0AFrom: mal hamilton = =0ASent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM=0ATo: rsgb =0ASubject: LF: A/G FREQ= S=0A=0AAs stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex=A0working. =A0I have = also noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM trans= mitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be opened up t= o receive several stations simultaneously then select the one of interest b= y closing down the selectivity, the same applies on CW. =A0On FM if you tri= ed this the=A0transmission would fall into a black hole, in other words the= =A0FM rx has to be tailored to the exact=A0bandwidth of the transmission (s= ame deviation value)=0Ag3kev ---796194823-913339264-1340745569=:6806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi can any one give me some advice on how= to fill out ofcoms nov, i am a bit stuck.
David G6WGZ

From:= Gary G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: LF Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>= ;
Sent: Tuesday, 26 Jun= e 2012, 18:51
Subject: R= E: LF: A/G FREQS

Hi All,
 
Pete M0FMT wrote :-
When I were a Ja= te we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the = plate in the good old days.
 
That was my very first transm= itter.....And don't forget...."Tuning high to low for a reply".
 That takes me back  :-)
 
73,
 
Gary - G4WGT.<= BR>
 
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100
F= rom: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: = LF: A/G FREQS

Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 4= 32.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. After all= its just the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in a no= nlinear device like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays= I guess you would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same = effect and using considerably less power over all. Class E an all.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graha= m <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
T= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 17:09
Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS
<= BR>
Steady on Mal !   this  is getting  technical = ; !"
 
Your  right  , FM has a  cut off  point  , wh= ere  demodulation fails  and  also  a  capture&nbs= p; effect , where the  stronger of  2 signals  will  ac= quire  and  hold the  demodulator ..always   fun&n= bsp; on 2  mtrs   when a  mobile  suddenly  t= akes  the  channel
 
Am  has no  cut off  point , but  gradual  de= gradation  until the  recovered  audio  is no  lon= ger usable  ......eg,  mcw  would  readable  much&= nbsp; lower  than  AM speech
 
I think  much over  250/300 MHz   its  actual= ly  not  possible to  produce  AM  , could be = ; wrong  , but  there is a  limit  , may   be=   by  high  level  modulation falls over , dont  s= ee  why  could  not  be  via  transverting&nb= sp; .......
 
G..
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: A/G FREQS

As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex = ;working.  I have also noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more= potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandw= idth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then selec= t the one of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on = CW.  On FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a b= lack hole, in other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the exact&nb= sp;bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation value)
g3kev
 




---796194823-913339264-1340745569=:6806-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9E083380000B9; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaDi9-0008Hs-Kj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:19:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaDi8-0008Hj-QO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:19:16 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaDhx-0006ID-Qh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:19:15 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779611341E6; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:18:57 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 269qeEws17264M02; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:18:52 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.4] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID269qeEws15587X02; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:18:52 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.4 IN dibene@usa.net imap04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID269qeEws15587X02 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.16.237] by imap04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 529qeEwsz4416M24; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:18:52 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.16.237 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FC7EE49.4050108@usa.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:18:49 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120531-1, 05/31/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID529qeEws14416X24 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 5/31/2012 11:54 PM, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > Oh dear. I can't stop laughing! > > What a perfect day/evening: > > -Exchanged more than 50 mails on the reflector > -Learned about the Current mode class D PA > -Calling CQ on 137.7 (!) > -Building a Class D PA for the coming MF band and got very good > efficiency at once. > -Perfect entertainment > -Learned about the Hungarian Translation Book > -Supported by a bit of Laphroaig Whiskey [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 75bd9e83b9a4dd6aff3296cebc5bb885 Subject: LF: Ae!...and this day Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010907070103030807010407" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445259232:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fc7eeb260e1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010907070103030807010407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/31/2012 11:54 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Oh dear. I can't stop laughing! > > What a perfect day/evening: > > -Exchanged more than 50 mails on the reflector > -Learned about the Current mode class D PA > -Calling CQ on 137.7 (!) > -Building a Class D PA for the coming MF band and got very good=20 > efficiency at once. > -Perfect entertainment > -Learned about the Hungarian Translation Book > -Supported by a bit of Laphroaig Whiskey Indeed.... the only pity is that all those gems of English humor landed on the Blacksheep reflector, and not on the new Yahoo group.... no trace whatsoever of them will remain in the history, for our sons to read and l= augh... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------010907070103030807010407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/31/2012 11:54 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: 
Oh dear. I can't stop laughing!

What a perfect day/evening:

-Exchanged more than 50 mails on the reflector
-Learned about the Current mode class D PA
-Calling CQ on 137.7 (!)
-Building a Class D PA for the coming MF band and got very good=20
efficiency at once.
-Perfect entertainment
-Learned about the Hungarian Translation Book
-Supported by a bit of Laphroaig Whiskey

Indeed....=A0 the only pity is that all those gems of English humor landed
on the Blacksheep reflector, and not on the new Yahoo group....=A0 no trace
whatsoever of them will remain in the history, for our sons to read and laugh... :-)

73=A0 Alberto=A0 I2PHD

 --------------010907070103030807010407-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 590E1380000A1; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si7jP-00073f-8P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:33:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si7jO-00073W-Rp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:33:14 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si7jJ-0008TD-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:33:13 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p4FD17106.dip.t-dialin.net [79.209.113.6]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lm8VZ-1S945t1wEz-00ZKnS; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:33:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE4AC54.3090901@legal-medicine.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:33:08 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:og37EsEfiMDHsjpzWlE7j58sJc+oWot9KIPUK9GBnsV oI0ZmI68yd6kt7k0d3/7UtUbLX59TFLuD/eek2A40nf2iXsQEc 4JOYf/IZr6VVC0DUOemPylOiIah1bruGw/sXxPfBHwOL2OPbxm ux9NhY0OuxSb9ywH8fx55kWfUVJ9UjQCBTs0J7yBHGpGp821rC f5MabBdN7hKcJsOz8C+Wpsr8UC8ok02le2DduwReyLCzDFJp1u VhKzJA0kJ/6aWgxxvRvr4idYKbBvqyVIoWSTE8VTHuXkytTewi 2Q7HI+s3oFjzC+SRGPykqY8uRnU39kbNFK6pKtnyULA1c+EUYq 8j+z4fp5H+utHOIrTx+w= X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Roger, You wrote: > Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent > poll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to > Yahoo, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either > place or both. > ... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: LF: Blacksheep and Yahoo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:433689920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4fe4aca20e0b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Roger, You wrote: > Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent > poll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to > Yahoo, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either > place or both. > ... 1. After those boring incident at the VLF Group at Yahoo! (look for "Schumann Resonance and Venus Transit" there) I propose using Yahoo! for day-to-day postings and Blacksheep for in-depth discussions. 2. If you cannot live without those Yahoo! stuff use an incognito without any call sign or full name. Keep in mind that all postings there are fully open to the world including all kinds of search engines, data mining engines, etc. Ignoring that is naive. Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D4A91380000A9; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd7Jj-0002bn-Ux for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:06:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd7Jj-0002be-JK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:06:03 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd7Ji-0001NS-1B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:06:02 +0100 Received: from [10.0.0.175] (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q58M5tP5091416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 00:06:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4FD27743.8080003@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:05:55 +0200 From: Albert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: My thanks to, IK1WVQ, G0KTN, G8HUH, G3XIZ, PA7EY and PA3ABK for receiving my OPERA signals. 73, Albert PA0A [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.27 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 73624bb08a20c2e0895fd0d9fb8136a4 Subject: LF: Opera 500 kHz to nite Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:209223856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fd277833fae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none My thanks to, IK1WVQ, G0KTN, G8HUH, G3XIZ, PA7EY and PA3ABK for receiving my OPERA signals. 73, Albert PA0A From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 58DB63800008D; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 18:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkjxN-0004X9-Na for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:46:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkjxN-0004Wy-6z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:46:29 +0100 Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkjxL-0001GA-GD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:46:28 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.52] by nm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2012 22:46:26 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.125] by tm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2012 22:46:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2012 22:46:26 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 727049.50379.bm@omp1034.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 46298 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jun 2012 22:46:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1341009986; bh=ZtD4f6Y4Kj1AwfLqyhHfmQQurGA+4spakad5w1Wxw1E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TSo4xTQFMaeB9P7lcOpDwG2+MSONtvYJyOqsdyef9r6MzSn2uTwL9oBn9OVTsPs29DB8/jnHhQB28SUZ4DM2adxdRS9oTYQzmhx8CdzXNvado4+8iHlCxe6dnIQ0H5phyyqUu8eUOtjJ7ViO4CjIad7nnEiz7Ly6MOMF1D41zqA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=l+8Ba0cWawl6YsqMaW05CvhCbJ5rHtMyCxFQa5xaUTMOfyCiBNBoJycY6I/Nm8HXnadlnnG+a62ZqkXpzCBFcwt9WO8rKHyD2goIVApvZvIUrNUqur+r6qceypVas5CtuMtYjAbwJNvliS3Wnh9QsQEormBqsP/8QKBUdyfGJjU=; X-YMail-OSG: Bi_zagcVM1lmmkHhg_UZ.pge70B2sLLQtLgE96j2oS0wk41 UKo_aRAeQ7tumkMWUeEOV60yasMI2LKbiswyD43E4joX.l175zYwtJRSVFp1 zbhIX.5QUW.WELdLhmxGuA6.W.uwGFmjIHmtcs2YDHvh_jZdOZNQ.3f3EIcd LlTni18PzzDB_TR9Jg7TIEMMK6dtzxeoxSKS05dCT2nZ5YUHs.DNY13IG7c9 bf2OAlmDKQI9azSSl.yS0v7uF6f8jXmWytoKmdU0ksNlwVIwz0NqnF_9_ahR V78V1VWY1pOsrrMPQqjQAOZdP5a0PH4APazcV4BimxEPltvRkJOelrzFmECD j1SLybF2xEdK2Xr8jJSYZbU14muzP72F9WBYxU9gDnGG.Pf_4uarLdJNRpKg MlnXkBKmY35vXE8fiAVS9vzFie9XkyzvUi0xfM5YENqVqPVIiAbri6LY- Received: from [86.163.214.230] by web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:46:26 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1341006419.32377.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <8B20B0CCF1D84DCE94DABD9F36F1F745@AGB> Message-ID: <1341009986.46008.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:46:26 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <8B20B0CCF1D84DCE94DABD9F36F1F745@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx Graham bed now 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > From: Graham >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 23:08 >Subject: Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG > > > >On frequency now ........ this dual sector band is a pain in the do-nut ..... same happed to wspr when the usa split ,,, can monitor X2 , but need the second rx > >G.. > >22:05 500 M0FMT Op4 -26 dB >40 ft end fed vert , no tuner , skanti r5003 wide band > > >From: M0FMT >Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:46 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG > > >Hi All > >Opera now 500 RX QRG! > >Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!! >73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.66 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: Re: LF: Now OFF ,,, Opera now 500 RX QRG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-1962311920-1341009986=:46008" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:359312320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m252.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4fee306d53db X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-1962311920-1341009986=:46008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0ATnx Graham bed now =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>___________= _____________________=0A> From: Graham =0A>To: rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 23:08=0A>Subject:= Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>On=A0 frequency=A0 now=A0 .= .......=A0 this=A0=A0 =0Adual=A0=A0 sector=A0 band=A0 is=A0 a pain=A0 in th= e=A0 =0Ado-nut=A0 .....=A0 same=A0 happed=A0 to=A0 wspr=A0 when=A0 =0Athe= =A0 usa=A0 split=A0 ,,,=A0 can=A0 monitor=A0 X2=A0 , =0Abut=A0 need=A0 the= =A0 second=A0 rx=A0 =0A>=0A>G.. =0A>=0A>22:05 500 M0FMT Op4 -26 dB =0A>40= =A0 ft=A0 end=A0 fed=A0 vert , no=A0 tuner , skanti =0Ar5003=A0 wide band = =0A>=0A> =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:46 PM =0A>To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Subject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG =0A>=0A= > =0A>Hi All =0A>=A0 =0A>Opera now 500 RX QRG! =0A>=A0 =0A>Bread board sing= le ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS =0Ahope most of the 3= 0watts going up the ant!!! =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =0A>=0A> ---176341844-1962311920-1341009986=:46008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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---176341844-1962311920-1341009986=:46008-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2AB8A38000094; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skzoj-00075M-G8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:42:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skzoj-00075D-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:42:37 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skzoh-0006NG-G3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:42:35 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoEFAPUd709cHntL/2dsb2JhbABFoF4DjQuIaYEIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMEAQwEAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd+u0qLO4J+gxwDiBeFN5dpgl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,503,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="543592879" Received: from host-92-30-123-75.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.123.75]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 16:42:34 +0100 Message-ID: <009101cd56d6$f6383040$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008501cd56d5$f5c084b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:42:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Calling you on 502 Khz. Have u gone QRT ?? G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:35 PM Subject: LF: test 476.5 Stn tst on 476.5 599 qsx 502 de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: d7907c3bf895ca41e0bedc3fa074f0d4 Subject: LF: Re: test 476.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008E_01CD56D6.F5FA3CE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:476922656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594fef1e9b4899 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01CD56D6.F5FA3CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Calling you on 502 Khz. Have u gone QRT ?? G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:35 PM Subject: LF: test 476.5 Stn tst on 476.5 599=20 qsx 502=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01CD56D6.F5FA3CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Calling you on 502 Khz. Have u gone QRT = ??
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 3:35=20 PM
Subject: LF: test 476.5

Stn tst on 476.5 599
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------=_NextPart_000_008E_01CD56D6.F5FA3CE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7948738000081; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scbq5-0001eh-CA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:29:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scbq4-0001eY-Qj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:29:20 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scbq2-0001ak-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:29:19 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57CTHHn030582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:29:17 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57CTHbT029538 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:29:17 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD09E40.2050308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:27:44 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> <4FD0999E.3080206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1608727203.579919.1339071424127.JavaMail.www@wwinf8307> In-Reply-To: <1608727203.579919.1339071424127.JavaMail.www@wwinf8307> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Ben, I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small PA and a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and so i will not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within the band, hopefully. That makes things easier. On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, maybe even no computer. However Speclab would be fine to get an overview of the band activity and offers nice filter and noise reduction tools... I'm really excited how the band will be populated. It's not so far away from 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole for 80m, configured as a T antenna will work reasonable if a suitable earth is available. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b2000330e4064ca60a9f57e731b892da Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070301070602000008090704" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448595840:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154fd09edb044f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070301070602000008090704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q57CTHHn030582 Hi Ben, I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small PA and=20 a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and so=20 i will not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within the band,=20 hopefully. That makes things easier. On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, maybe=20 even no computer. However Speclab would be fine to get an overview of=20 the band activity and offers nice filter and noise reduction tools... I'm really excited how the band will be populated. It's not so far away=20 from 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole for=20 80m, configured as a T antenna will work reasonable if a suitable earth=20 is available. But what's the problem in France? You have so much space for large=20 antennas, don't you? Or do you live in Paris City? :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 07.06.2012 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP. > > My "reasonable" setup indicates me that / triple/ that value could be=20 > necessary... > > CU there > > Ben > > > > Message du 07/06/12 14:12 > > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer" > > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Copie =C3=A0 : > > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > > > I only heared some rumours about the permission starting > January, 1st, > > 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is given > out on the > > Ham Radio 2012 > (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php) > > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more realistic. > > > > Time to build a suitable loading coil for MF. I will need about > 240 uH > > only... > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > > > Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) > > > granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ? > > > > > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from > our > > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > Ben > > > >=20 > --------------070301070602000008090704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q57CTHHn030582 Hi Ben,

I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small PA and a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and so i will not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within the band, hopefully. That makes things easier.
On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, maybe even no computer. However Speclab would be fine to get an overview of the band activity and offers nice filter and noise reduction tools...
I'm really excited how the band will be populated. It's not so far away from 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole for 80m, configured as a T antenna will work reasonable if a suitable earth is available.

But what's the problem in France? You have so much space for large antennas, don't you? Or do you live in Paris City? :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 07.06.2012 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:
Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP.

My "reasonable" setup indicates me that =C2=A0triple that value could be necessary...

CU there

Ben


> Message du 07/06/12 14:12
> De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"
> A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Copie =C3=A0 :
> Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
>
> I only heared some rumours about the permission starting January, 1st,
> 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is given out on the
> Ham Radio 2012 (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en= /index.php)
> , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more realistic.
>
> Time to build a suitable loading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH
> only...
>
> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
> Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:
> > Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) > > granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ?
> >
> > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our
> > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Ben
>
>
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majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh30H-00056c-0E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:18:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh30G-00056T-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:18:12 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh30E-0005Wu-SY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:18:11 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.187]) by mwinf5d69 with ME id QJJ81j01W42DYwa03JJ9Wr; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:18:10 +0200 Message-ID: <99064C4276EE4C1EB2411FE07243A483@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:18:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: 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(VPS 120619-0, 19/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Clutching at straws more like with all the dx Mal keeps reporting ! G.. From: Stefan Schäfer Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:34 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b1e5ebccbad86c8ca1fd46d24f0285de Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01CD4E50.420841C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:432047808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4fe0c29a0965 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01CD4E50.420841C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clutching at straws more like with all the dx Mal keeps reporting = ! G..=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:34 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw??? 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01CD4E50.420841C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Clutching  at  straws  more like with all  = the =20 dx  Mal keeps  reporting  !
 
G..

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034

Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of=20 straw???

73, Stefan

Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal = hamilton:=20
Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST
 
g3kev
------=_NextPart_000_007B_01CD4E50.420841C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4D08D380000B3; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SasqZ-0000WV-BK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:14:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SasqY-0000WM-NB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:14:42 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SasqW-0006h8-Bt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:14:41 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d08 with ME id HWEd1j0090Lx2rm03WEdk0; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:14:39 +0200 Message-ID: <98E876DA3EFE457AAAE4A0AFA8604E46@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA3B44.2020703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCA3B44.2020703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:14:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham states... ! As there is no locking to 'actual / time' delays may be introduced in the tx keying chain, But the delay must be symmetrical and not change the pulse width , whilst being of a constant value , to ensure the integrity of the timing of the pulse train , pulse jitter will degrade the s/n performance. % wise the longer time modes , the larger the % error possible , A figure of 0.2% for clock timing was suggested at the start of the project . [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 719233b489c0727505743c30ad56ff81 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E7_01CD40F3.EFEADE70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479030048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fca584c77a3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01CD40F3.EFEADE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham states... ! As there is no locking to 'actual / time' delays may be = introduced in the tx keying chain, But the delay must be symmetrical and not change the pulse width = , whilst being of a constant value , to ensure the integrity of = the timing of the pulse train , pulse jitter will degrade the s/n = performance. % wise the longer time modes , the larger the % error = possible , A figure of 0.2% for clock timing was suggested at the = start of the project . G.. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:11 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi Pete,=20 Maybe its worth to spend a common mode choke or an optocoupler between = PA and PC? You may try just to key the TX with the PC via an = optocoupler. Should be no problem with Opera, as Graham states... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 02.06.2012 14:33, schrieb M0FMT:=20 Thanks Paul Graham is right about QRG. My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer = (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial could be 503.275 ? +/- a bit ! G. From: Clemens Paul=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting What is the actual tx qrg then? Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: = 01.06.2012=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01CD40F3.EFEADE70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham states... !
 
As  there  is  no  locking  to  = 'actual /=20 time'    delays  may  be introduced in = the =20 tx  keying  chain,
 
But the  delay  must be  symmetrical  and  = not  change the  pulse width , whilst being  of  = a =20 constant  value , to  ensure the  integrity of the =20 timing  of the   pulse train , pulse jitter =20 will  degrade the  s/n  performance. % wise = the =20 longer  time modes  , the  larger the  % error = possible=20 ,  A figure of  0.2%  for  clock timing  = was =20 suggested at the  start of the  project .
 
G..


From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:11 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Hi Pete,

Maybe its worth to spend a common mode = choke or=20 an optocoupler between PA and PC? You may try just to key the TX with = the PC via=20 an optocoupler. Should be no problem with Opera, as Graham = states...

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 02.06.2012 14:33, schrieb M0FMT:=20
Thanks Paul
 
Graham is right about QRG.
 
My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB = PIC keyer=20 (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer = looking.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:12
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

could be   503.275  ?   +/-   = a=20 bit  !
 
G.

Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible = at=20 all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20 Sent:=20 Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject:=20 LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB = RX dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01CD40F3.EFEADE70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2346D380000A0; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkinT-0003ZM-G3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:32:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkinS-0003ZD-TL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:32:10 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkinR-0000W5-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:32:09 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5TLW84P018439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:32:08 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5TLW7hO013799 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:32:07 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEE1E65.405@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:30:13 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FEE172B.1050002@virgilio.it> In-Reply-To: <4FEE172B.1050002@virgilio.it> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TLW84P018439 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Claudio, Mike, all, In my tests i have connected 18 kOhm to the output, but no C. I tried with a 220pF (was by hand) C but there was no change. Mike's idea with the pot is good, of course. On the output i measure with a high Z probe for the scope. But i don't know the internal impedance of the signal generator. I put the 18 kOhm in series to the signal generator but maybe i should simply play arround with it, also with the Cs. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: ac0f6ff1af52b6036ac1f4fe0c2bd52c Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:477058240:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fee1f1d0d55 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Claudio, Mike, all, In my tests i have connected 18 kOhm to the output, but no C. I tried=20 with a 220pF (was by hand) C but there was no change. Mike's idea with the pot is good, of course. On the output i measure with a high Z probe for the scope. But i don't=20 know the internal impedance of the signal generator. I put the 18 kOhm=20 in series to the signal generator but maybe i should simply play arround=20 with it, also with the Cs. On the left side stands 300 pF, on the right side 294 pF. So this is the=20 load capacity that must be applied from external components? These parts must be 50 years old or so. I find 3.95 Euro extremely cheap Thanks for the advice. The first time i work with such a filter... It=20 should be fine for other applications as well, as a IF filter... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 29.06.2012 22:59, schrieb Claudio Girardi: > Stefan, > if I understood correctly, the datasheet says that the impedance is 18=20 > kohm if you use the red and green wires and 500 ohm if you use the=20 > yellow and green ones; so you should load both sides with 18 kohm in=20 > your case, or change taps. > Then you should also load the filter with the exact capacitance values=20 > printed on its ends, connected between the red and green wires. > > Regards, > Claudio > > On 06/29/2012 10:26 PM, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: >> >> The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and gre= en >> wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and >> green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and r= ed >> wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. >> Helpful was this image from the web >> http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which >> shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the >> output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as >> stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. >> >> Any ideas or suggestions? >> >> Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B274380000A0; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShRRw-0004S4-I9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:24:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShRRv-0004Rv-Ej for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:24:23 +0100 Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.97]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShRRt-0006AZ-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:24:22 +0100 Received: from mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.1]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5KKO77o000799 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:24:07 -0400 Received: from White (nrbg-4dbfa27a.pool.mediaWays.net [77.191.162.122]) by mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id C56EEE0000DF for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CF1CEB6E3DA560-2320-13390@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> <4FE208A9.1050403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:24:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340223847; bh=CNIGO+3a90N8loRlI/MyF0s3NjqWf9ooS7uz+QtzRRw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nyebvpxjIXTJJRp7QDUzp1gvyausgVnOeS5ZoZVRDKhIHMQS07cqxwCuD+2oPe3p9 3GPiESW/cbwTmpi+vfrOyhQElkqV21Pd86/Rctcfvgqrpb/jte3HlNE1BPFjXSgSmh QF9JG6iEjS/1wTOVCzQEF0Xshkk5pn+NueLnyOHk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:424734176:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, as you have an image reject filter in the RF path there will of course be no need for stereo processing. But here I need I/Q as my FiFi-SDR equally receives from both sides of the LO. This is actually convenient because it lets me view the two bands (472 and 501 kHz) simultaneously. Without software correction, image rejection is about 46 dB with my netbook, but of course this can vary from device to device. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.91.97 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 54f9a9b24d9d5f31a632377c3b90b222 Subject: Re: LF: ... SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD4F33.65CEA3E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:467337696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d269.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fe231b52aa4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD4F33.65CEA3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan,=20 as you have an image reject filter in the RF path there will of course = be no need for stereo processing. But here I need I/Q as my FiFi-SDR = equally receives from both sides of the LO. This is actually convenient = because it lets me view the two bands (472 and 501 kHz) simultaneously. = Without software correction, image rejection is about 46 dB with my = netbook, but of course this can vary from device to device.=20 Sorry no idea whether it's possible to read the mouse wheel from = SpecLab. Best 73,=20 Markus (DF6NM) From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:30 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: ... SDR programs Hello Markus,=20 Oh, that looks nice, thanks for the info. I already thought that i = probably still have much to learn about SpecLab.=20 Well, i don't use an IQ input here, that's why SDRadio is not my choice = anyway ( i thought it can be configured for an mono input). Now i'm running the "SAQrcvr1.usr". Looks promising BUT: How do i have = to program (interpreter commands) SpecLab so that i can move the filter = over the band with the scroll wheel of the mouse? Maybe interesting for = others as well, so i'm asking here... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 20.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Hi Stefan, as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, you can = define a marker which lets you pull the FFT filter frequency with the = mouse.=20 In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the FFT filter used to crash = with complex I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the recent b08. = Thanks Wolf, works like a charm ;-) Best 73, Markus ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD4F33.65CEA3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,
 
as you have an image reject = filter in the=20 RF path there will of course be no need for stereo = processing. But=20 here I need I/Q as my FiFi-SDR equally receives from both sides of the = LO. This=20 is actually convenient because it lets me view the two = bands (472=20 and 501 kHz) simultaneously. Without software correction, image = rejection=20 is about 46 dB with my netbook, but of course this can vary from device = to=20 device. 
 
Sorry no idea whether it's = possible to read=20 the mouse wheel from SpecLab.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 

Hello Markus,=20

Oh, that looks nice, thanks for the info. I already thought that = i=20 probably still have much to learn about SpecLab.
Well, i don't use = an IQ=20 input here, that's why SDRadio is not my choice anyway ( i thought it = can be=20 configured for an mono input).

Now i'm running the "SAQrcvr1.usr". Looks promising = BUT:=20 How do i have to program (interpreter commands) SpecLab so that i can = move the=20 filter over the band with the scroll wheel of the mouse? Maybe = interesting for=20 others as well, so i'm asking here...

73, = Stefan/DK7FC


Am=20 20.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester:=20
Hi Stefan,
 
as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, = you=20 can define a marker which lets you pull the = FFT filter=20 frequency with the mouse.
 
In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the = FFT filter used to=20 crash with complex I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the = recent=20 b08. Thanks Wolf, works like a charm ;-)
 
Best 73,
Markus
 

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Bob K3DJC On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:35:59 -0400 Dexter McIntyre W4DEX writes: > mal hamilton wrote: > > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > > > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. Hay > > bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have loaded > hay > bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for live > snake > heads sticking out of the bales :) > > Dex > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A9D50380000A0; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYp9-0004ZI-V4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:04:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYp9-0004Z9-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:04:03 +0100 Received: from mail-gh0-f171.google.com ([209.85.160.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbYp7-0007Gm-L9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:04:02 +0100 Received: by ghy10 with SMTP id 10so4460528ghy.16 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:03:59 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MmcRnud4iESMAzXEsVrrWZvj7jj3DoDwCplypbz9BR4=; b=A4ASRZs+PLHlcYq5ZithkPWW1rjgc9yr4gxiZppaiq5oN2mhYpdwQ/hxdE5ekc8cg9 noq18cP98hc6LW3iNsGE2hqRXKyUA/MG3/XyeWmtY95rY0emRtCM8lohLZJ6gqX2h6p4 Oeg9sq3n0d4xrz7gY+I3shwN7tUkFCFEVMp9w+Z6XdZuZnKUxIWs0482Om/DHhmTlIoq rw6fdES1xlyevFvSe2rSuHBxjwXiGH/wutfC1h1mgJXuhvKsQSGe1apzwVIvwf7b2cc7 zc+IeiQsji2ManiQgBRtmOa8gZPolaL4tCWELtJv7OTVAKZ9ew5Q6b1RNMzrSWj4/gQD UG5A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.14.169 with SMTP id q9mr12430416oec.19.1338822239432; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:03:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:03:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.160.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: bf9cd6b3d49c805062abf73a1027fea8 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1ee0effb06504c1a6d76e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494691360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fccce8f252a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8fb1ee0effb06504c1a6d76e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Hi Clive, LF, > > For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo > account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the > pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that > there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in > this process. > > My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. > As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has > to win and the other will be shut down after some time. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: > >> If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting >> period ends. >> >> > > --e89a8fb1ee0effb06504c1a6d76e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that o= ne needs a yahoo account. =A0I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my G= mail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_= Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be au= thorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =A0

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy t= o set up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how = they voted. =A0

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefe= r@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
Hi Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo acco= unt it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo= party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are fur= ther members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.<= br>
My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As= long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to = win and the other will be shut down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting peri= od ends.
=A0


--e89a8fb1ee0effb06504c1a6d76e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E4726380000D6; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfzST-0000az-GJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:18:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfzSS-0000aq-Vs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:18:56 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfzSR-0003fx-BW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:18:55 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P8Ju1j0064U6hVe038Ju8p; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:18:54 +0200 Message-ID: <79A6EC5BC7054A26A50E518F45583A7A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:18:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-1, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 505 ?? This is out side the UK /EU band 501 > 504 ....... 502 or 502.5 is a good Rx qrg ? G.. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: bde53fa3678f346afe39dd99e3e185db Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A7_01CD4C05.A206E240" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:439951872:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844fdcea6e2bd1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01CD4C05.A206E240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 505 ?? This is out side the UK /EU band 501 > 504 ....... 502 or = 502.5 is a good Rx qrg ? =20 G.. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:01 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz MF,=20 Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter = in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the = input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much = better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still = not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. My TX is ready as well. I will call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for = skeds! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the = RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try. Starting now! 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01CD4C05.A206E240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
505 ??
 
This  is  out  side the  UK /EU  = band  501=20 > 504   .......  502 or  502.5  is  = a =20 good  Rx   qrg ? 
 
G..

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:01 PM
Subject: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz

MF,

Now my RX and active antenna is much better = after=20 adding a band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was = an=20 overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX = performs=20 much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, = still not=20 sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal.

My TX is ready = as well.=20 I will call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds! I can = receive on=20 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX already attenuate the = region=20 by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try.

Starting now!

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC
------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01CD4C05.A206E240-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8400338000082; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh8lv-00083R-5A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:27:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh8lu-00083I-Mm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:27:46 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh8ls-0007X3-KO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:27:45 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5K0RhBf010010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:27:44 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5K0RhKp032766 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:27:43 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE11896.9000002@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:25:58 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1340140395.2026.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340140395.2026.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mike, Thanks for the infos. I've never seen an email from you here, so probably you are focusing on MF rather than on LF? Am 19.06.2012 23:13, schrieb Mike Thayne: > Hello Stefan, > My 500 transmit set up has been dismantled for some time. I achieved only > local QSO's up to 225 miles due entirely to my very small antenna in my very > small garden. What were the aerial dimensions? How much wire in which height? Which loss resistance and RF power did you use? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 195b836cb7437e99aa05107459888659 Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC on 473.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:477285344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4fe11932460b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Mike, Thanks for the infos. I've never seen an email from you here, so probably you are focusing on MF rather than on LF? Am 19.06.2012 23:13, schrieb Mike Thayne: > Hello Stefan, > My 500 transmit set up has been dismantled for some time. I achieved only > local QSO's up to 225 miles due entirely to my very small antenna in my very > small garden. What were the aerial dimensions? How much wire in which height? Which loss resistance and RF power did you use? > As Mal once said to me I need to move house! Well that is not > possible but I could go /p and I have been following all your activities to > learn from your experiences. Oh, i'm glad. Thanks, very kind. Well, i think a 300m kite antenna is not necessary although it would be interesting to couple the TX in a Zepp- or Fuchskreis- configuration (you know?) since it is a 1/2 wave vertical then :-) No earth would be needed and you could use it on /m as well, HI. I personally think that a real full size dipole could be very interesting. 2x 150m is handy and quickly hung up in a forest. Sure, the efficiency wil lbe low but... you know, worth to try! It would be a fine RX antenna, due to the low noise location... We have discussed this in the eginning of the VLF times (earth antenna) and it was a good fun just to try what comes out. On MF you will need some height above ground of course. But if you can manage to get an average height of say 10m my guess would be that this will work well, i.e. a few % efficiency. Maybe others want to comment? :-) > I am also encouraged by Finbar EI0CF, who has > achieved great success on 500 portable as well as from his home QTH. > > I am a technician not an Engineer or Scientist (ex. marine R/O) but I can > reproduce ideas from others so I am a keen observer and one of the many "silent" > members learning from the group. > That sounds good! I think there are much more observers here than one would expect. > Close to the North Sea my /p activity will take advantage of that, > rather than forests. > Oh, ah, OK. So, anyway a kite? If you can drive to the sea with your car and have strong winds there i suggest to try this kite: http://www.funwithwind.com/TestKitchen/ContentPlus.asp?cmd=CONTENT&articleID=265, power sled 24. I'm using the power sled 36 and 81 here but on the sea the smaller one is the better choice i think... > Good luck on the new band and I hope to join you there live on air, in January > 2013. > 73, Mike, g3gms > R, OM. See you then! 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1EB75380000A6; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeW8s-0000a9-CM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:48:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeW8r-0000a0-9j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:48:37 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeW8m-0000Jj-K7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:48:36 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnAGABSO109Ok8sr/2dsb2JhbABFFoIvnRuRFYRAgQiCEwUBAQMCCAEBA0kCHBABAQMFAgEDBwoEAQEKFwEGBxQBBBoGDQkIBgoJCgECAgEBh2wDDwe5SIpFYgsQhXYDiA2FMpJehH2CYIFX X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,398,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395648451" Received: from host-78-147-203-43.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.203.43]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2012 19:48:30 +0100 Message-ID: <006a01cd48cb$f2e1aed0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <1339438549.67345.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <85F124CBD59C48FEB97567F3B69B2AC1@lindavideo> <1339499711.77638.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:48:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete es Co The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E and well designed would produce 70% efficiency. The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency if you are lucky. Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not careful about matching to load. I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for years. Fets are probably more manageable, compact and safer regarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high current, like an electric chair!! 73 de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 273334288f972e3b54f080bebb9ff763 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD48CB.F0E828C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:500569600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fd78f705846 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD48CB.F0E828C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete es Co The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E and = well designed would produce 70% efficiency. The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it = is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage = generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% = efficiency if you are lucky.=20 Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch = to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not = careful about matching to load. I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for = years. Fets are probably more manageable, compact and safer regarding = voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high = current, like an electric chair!! 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 AM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Ken I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes = than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I = won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency = output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an = amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low = resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well = into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is = barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in = terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying = to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive = frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain = will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor = will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide = I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you = are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there is = enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the = sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate = in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will = detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, = efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP = design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style = unobtainium in the components listing. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Ken To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd = order differential equations, partial integration and integration by = parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional = integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my = Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I = like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike = semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. 73s Ken M0KHW From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Class E etc Hi Ken=20 Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need = a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for = the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using a = FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the = FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with = accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate = voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for = transients, a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and = inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article = below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave = will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you = don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the = result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some = starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output = conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. = Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above = a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is = very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good = efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply = voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable = of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly = cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct = drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below = shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy = load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope = then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer = my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer = in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak = voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum = peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. = This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two = turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring = the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak. =20 Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work = well. Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers.=20 For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning = Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... = http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-powera= mps.pdf For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a = scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20 http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD48CB.F0E828C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pete es Co
The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can = get to=20 class D or E and well designed would produce 70% = efficiency.
The class D or E is not really an amplifier in = the=20 convential sense it is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest = and the=20 voltage generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably = 80% to 90%=20 efficiency if you are lucky.
Like some have said a tube amp is more robust = and tolerant=20 of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if = one is=20 not careful about matching to load.
I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and = they have=20 been going for years.
Fets are probably more manageable, compact =  and safer=20 regarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at = high=20 current, like an electric chair!!
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 = 11:15=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E = etc

Hi Ken
 
I believe you can = operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than C but = they=20 generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. = The high=20 efficiency output stage has = to operate=20 like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it changes = state=20 from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which means = a=20 device that will operate well into the VHF) the higher = the=20 efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple = of megs=20 its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking = about) at=20 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the = inductor to=20 rise and collapse at a very = fast=20 rate in-order to = generate a=20 high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking = sine=20 waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the = output=20 side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. = Try=20 it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I = use to=20 bring a PA into optimum performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well = but if=20 you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF=20 then there is enough empirical=20 data from following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have=20 posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in=20 theoretical physics to bamboozle you=20 colleagues then that will = detract=20 from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, = efficient TX=20 design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP design being=20 IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the components = listing.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: Ken=20 <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 11 = June 2012,=20 22:09
Subject: LF: = RE: Class=20 E etc

Hi=20 Pete.
About 40 = years ago my=20 integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial = integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems = with=20 was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space . =   Looking=20 at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET=20 PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves = is=20 because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also = the keep=20 the shack and the cat warm.
 
73s
 
Ken
 
M0KHW
 
From: owner-=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:=20 owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On=20 Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 11 June 2012 = 19:16
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Class E=20 etc
 
 
Hi Ken=20
 
Ha ha = Stefan, how=20 good is your Integration = Ken?
 
Here are = a couple=20 of sites that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load = and a=20 good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do=20 with  A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 = inverting)=20 that will turn the FET = fully on=20 and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on = off=20 timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage = for the=20 FET is not exceeded = otherwise they=20 pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting = the shunt=20 capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be done = empirically= See=20 article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, = although the=20 output wave will be surprisingly=20 clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't = necessarily know=20 all the starting parameters and in any case the result = is going=20 to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. = Best to=20 use 'Scope measurements to=20 set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / = Off rise=20 times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the=20 key.
These = amplifiers=20 are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy class C = amp. This=20 means the heat dissipation from the FET=20 is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks!<= /SPAN>
 
The = GW3UEP=20 (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency&= nbsp;and=20 high power depending upon the FET used=20 and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at = 140watts and=20 is capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink = that is=20 fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically= using=20 the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is = the way=20 to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my = TX up=20 into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain = wave shape=20 on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy = load. I=20 then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of = the tuned=20 transformer in the antenna up-lead. = I adjust=20 the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner = link=20 turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across = the dummy=20 load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by either adding = or=20 reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with = bringing the=20 the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead = current,=20 here you are looking for the maximum=20 peak.  
 
Oh yes = and WIMA high voltage high value = capacitors from=20 Maplin work=20 well.
 
Read the = articles=20 and search info on class E = amplifiers. 
 
 
For some = bed time=20 reading but ignor the math = look at the=20 Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all = really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal= %20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
 
For = design=20 ideas
http://www.classeradio.com/
<= /SPAN>
 
For a = good=20 practical circuit for a single ended amp that  is a scalable = surefire=20 design, no need to reinvent the wheel.
http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/
 
For = antennas and=20 antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20
http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/
 
73 es = GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX


 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Just read what you said Graham. Â HDSDR gives you 25kc/s bandwidth and if you envoke ECSS demodulation it will track the carrier frequency. However not checked how quickly this will lock with short terse overs from AC. [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.108.138 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 3b4b1bf305fe705b7eca23a46558778e Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1386533404-1127866929-1340670783=:23157" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484099360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d006.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174fe903902708 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1386533404-1127866929-1340670783=:23157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0A=0AJust read what you said Graham.=0A=C2=A0=0AHDSDR gives you 25kc/s = bandwidth and if you envoke ECSS demodulation it will track the carrier fre= quency. However not checked how quickly this will lock with short terse ove= rs from AC.=0A=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A____________________= ____________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 23:38=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR = programs=0A =0A=0A =0AR Pete =0A=0AAhh=C2=A0=C2=A0 By=C2=A0 split=C2=A0, = I mean the=C2=A0 anti-jam=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0Ain channel=C2=A0 split=C2=A0 , Whe= n=C2=A0 on the=C2=A0 same=C2=A0 frequency, =0Athe=C2=A0 ground=C2=A0 TX=C2= =A0 (used tobe ?)=C2=A0=C2=A0 off=C2=A0 set=C2=A0 =0Afrom the=C2=A0 aircraf= t=C2=A0 Tx=C2=A0 frequency=C2=A0=C2=A0, so=C2=A0 if =0Athe=C2=A0 Aircraft T= X jammed=C2=A0 'ON' then=C2=A0 other=C2=A0 aircraft=C2=A0 =0Acould=C2=A0 st= ill=C2=A0 receive=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 ground =C2=A0 , that=C2=A0 =0Awas=C2=A0 t= he=C2=A0 reason=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 wide=C2=A0 IF pass=C2=A0 bands =0Aand=C2=A0= keeping=C2=A0 to AM=C2=A0 for the=C2=A0 comm.'s ....=C2=A0 =0AMarine=C2=A0= coms=C2=A0 , adopted=C2=A0 FM ... =0A=0AThere is a=C2=A0 afc=C2=A0 for=C2= =A0 cw =0A=0A=0AOT ?=C2=A0 over the=C2=A0 top=C2=A0 more like ,=C2=A0 the= =C2=A0 disclaimer =0Aon the=C2=A0 yab-a-dab-a-doo=C2=A0 group=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = is bigger=C2=A0 than =0Athe=C2=A0 space=C2=A0 left=C2=A0 for the=C2=A0 mess= ages , I think the=C2=A0 =0Aname=C2=A0 Black-Sheep=C2=A0 seems=C2=A0 to=C2= =A0 be=C2=A0 quite=C2=A0 apt=C2=A0 =0Anow=C2=A0 !, =0A=0ABig-bang=C2=A0 , = according=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 my=C2=A0 arrl=C2=A0 hand=C2=A0 =0Abook , HF commun= ications=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 tend to=C2=A0 be=C2=A0 =0Aattenuated=C2=A0 in the= =C2=A0 direction=C2=A0 of the=C2=A0 burst=C2=A0 , =0Aassume=C2=A0 by=C2=A0 = producing=C2=A0 quite=C2=A0 a big=C2=A0 =0AFariday=C2=A0=C2=A0 screen , als= o=C2=A0 recommends=C2=A0 you=C2=A0 keep=C2=A0 =0Ayour=C2=A0 radio=C2=A0 in = a=C2=A0 metal=C2=A0 sweet tin ala=C2=A0=C2=A0 blue =0Apeter=C2=A0 garden != =C2=A0 =0A=0ADid=C2=A0 get=C2=A0 good=C2=A0 signals=C2=A0 on the=C2=A0 MW = on the=C2=A0 =0Away=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 work=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 France=C2=A0 durin= g=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 =0Aeclipse some=C2=A0 time=C2=A0 ago=C2=A0 , due to the= =C2=A0 lack=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 =0Aionisation =0A=0AG.. =0A=0A=0A =0AFrom: M0FM= T =0ASent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:02 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org =0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A =0AHi Graham =0A=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 = =0A............ to monitor off frequency nets and the tower/aircraft =0Aspl= it............... ? there is no split frequency working the Tower and =0AA/= C both use the=C2=A0same QRG its just that the A/C being at altitude=C2=A0c= an =0Abe heard the Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can not be= =0Aheard........ if thats what you ment. =0A=C2=A0 =0AI use the say (A) LO= for Approach and then say (B)=C2=A0LO for Tower =0Aso when the hand over f= rom Approach to Tower occures I merely click the =0Aappropriate LO=C2=A0A o= r B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well it is at Luton AP =0Aanyway. =0A=C2= =A0 =0ASorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector........ just as = =0Awell the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be getti= ng our =0Akeying fingers rapped!!!!!!=0A =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Graham =0A=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, = =0A21:19=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms=0A=0A=0AYes I think=C2=A0 Andy= =C2=A0 gave a talk=C2=A0 at the=C2=A0 egham=C2=A0 =0Aconvention=C2=A0 on us= ing=C2=A0=C2=A0 a/d=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 mobile=C2=A0 phones , =0Athe=C2=A0 new= =C2=A0 ones had the=C2=A0 extra=C2=A0 bits=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 give =0Athe=C2=A0= full=C2=A0 dynamic=C2=A0 range on=C2=A0 HF ..he=C2=A0 was=C2=A0 =0Ausing= =C2=A0=C2=A0 hardware=C2=A0 block=C2=A0 convertors ......... never=C2=A0 = =0Asaw=C2=A0 any=C2=A0 items=C2=A0 offered=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 sale=C2=A0 =0A..= ......only=C2=A0 some=C2=A0 very=C2=A0 high price=C2=A0 'HF rx'=C2=A0 =0Aus= ing=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 same=C2=A0 ideas=C2=A0 ...I think=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 =0Agi= ve=C2=A0 away=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 band=C2=A0 being=C2=A0 covered in = =0Afrequency=C2=A0=C2=A0 blocks , which I assume=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 down to=C2= =A0 =0Athe=C2=A0 down=C2=A0 convertors =0A=0ADont=C2=A0 think=C2=A0 he is= =C2=A0 monitoring=C2=A0 BS now , or=C2=A0 =0Awe=C2=A0 might=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 = got the=C2=A0 fill=C2=A0 in, but=C2=A0 one =0Athings=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 certain= , the =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle=C2=A0 has=C2=A0 =0Asaved=C2=A0 me=C2=A0 from= =C2=A0 buying=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 R7000 ...All we=C2=A0 =0Aneed=C2=A0 now=C2=A0 i= s=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 little=C2=A0 more=C2=A0 stability=C2=A0 in =0Athe=C2=A0=C2= =A0 control=C2=A0 software=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 wide-band=C2=A0 FM optio= n in=C2=A0 HDSDR=C2=A0 =0A=0AIm getting the=C2=A0 gb3ang=C2=A0=C2=A0 beaco= n=C2=A0 on=C2=A0 70 Mhz=C2=A0 =0Agood=C2=A0 signal=C2=A0 with=C2=A0 my indo= or=C2=A0=C2=A0 2 ele=C2=A0 quad =0A.......... the=C2=A0 PMR band=C2=A0 on= =C2=A0 446 Mhz=C2=A0 with the=C2=A0 =0Aco-linera=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 10 miles = away in liverpool=C2=A0 ssb on 144 MHz=C2=A0 =0Aetc=C2=A0 =0A=0ADefinable= =C2=A0 FM-AFC=C2=A0 (AND=C2=A0 AM) =C2=A0=C2=A0 would be handy=C2=A0 to=C2= =A0 monitor=C2=A0 off=C2=A0 =0Afrequency=C2=A0 nets=C2=A0 and the=C2=A0 tow= er/aircraft=C2=A0=C2=A0 split =0A=0AI think=C2=A0 possible=C2=A0 the=C2=A0= driver=C2=A0 software=C2=A0 =0Acould=C2=A0 improve=C2=A0 as=C2=A0 more=C2= =A0 take=C2=A0 up=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 =0Aidea=C2=A0 ....... could=C2=A0 HDSDR h= ave=C2=A0 its=C2=A0 own=C2=A0 driver=C2=A0 =0Acode=C2=A0 block=C2=A0 ......= .... Ive=C2=A0 noticed there=C2=A0 is a=C2=A0 =0Aroutine=C2=A0 that=C2=A0 s= ome=C2=A0 times=C2=A0 appears=C2=A0 that=C2=A0 =0A'purges'=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 = device=C2=A0 ......now=C2=A0 if that=C2=A0 could=C2=A0 =0Abe=C2=A0 run at= =C2=A0=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 , that=C2=A0 would=C2=A0 be a big=C2=A0 =0Ahelp, to= =C2=A0 recover=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 locked=C2=A0=C2=A0 system =0A=0A73 -G.=0A =0A= From: M0FMT =0ASent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A =0AHi Bob =0A=C2=A0 =0AI= f you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at earlier =0Apos= ts. =0A=C2=A0 =0AHowever if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of li= ttle =0Ainterest to you. =0A=C2=A0 =0AYou say dangle we say dongle..... :-= 0 =0A=C2=A0 =0AThese are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug = straight =0Ainto your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recie= ving local =0Adigital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are availab= le in the US and =0Athey can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7= gigs. If=C2=A0I need to =0Atell you more please ask but this is all in publ= ic domain on the web (but not in =0AHam mags, at least not in UK). I have p= layed with these things for about 6 =0Amonths now=C2=A0and for a few quid (= dollars) are fun. If you build a simple up =0Aconverter with a say a 60meg = LO guess what, you have an all band=C2=A0HF radio =0Aas well. =0A=C2=A0 =0A= Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? =0AWe = are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars. =0A=C2=A0 =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO= 91UX=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "riese-k3djc@juno.co= m" =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monda= y, 25 June 2012, =0A19:34=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms=0A=0A=0A=EF=BB= =BF =0A=0A=0ABeen Kinda out of any loop on this=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0ABUT =0A= =0Aif what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct chi= p =0Aset =0Ait will cover MF to HF using=C2=A0 an appropriate program. I us= e HDSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ =0Awhich I like for general reception. So by usin= g the proper chip set =0AHDSDR =0Awill run that TV dangle=C2=A0as a HF radi= o =0A=0A?? =0A=0ABob K3DJC =0A=0AOn Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey= Gardner" =0Awrites: =0AHello Pete =0A>=0A>If= we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on the= block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. =0A>It is what I will= refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling digital down conversion= SDR. =0A>It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and= has a LAN interface for remote access. =0A>The best bit is that it costs = just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT. =0A>=0A>You can find more details= here =0A>=0A>http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description =0A>=0A= >https://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b1022925e =0A>=0A>I've no connection othe= r than being a satisfied customer. =0A>=0A>73s Tracey G5VU =0A>----- Origi= nal Message ----- =0A>>From: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A>>Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: SDR progr= ams =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Mal =0A>>=0A>>The whole reason these things are gett= ing so much attention is the price and the fact they are independent of a = sound card or=C2=A0A/D converter.=C2=A0They are not really suitable for or= give any advantage on LF because you need an up converter in front. A Sof= trock SDR with a good sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IM= HO=C2=A0I don't think its worth persuing to be honest. However I think wit= h the DVB-T sticks people have been opening them up to look at the SMT chi= p marking if not sure. It looks like they don't erase the markings like so= me well known LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for= the RTL2832 chipset.=0A>> =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>__= ______________________________=0A>> =0A> --1386533404-1127866929-1340670783=:23157 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Just read what you said Graham.
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HDSDR gives you 25kc/s bandwidth and if you envoke ECSS demodula= tion it will track the carrier frequency. However not checked how quickly t= his will lock with short terse overs from AC.

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 23:38
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

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Ahh   By  split , I mean the  ant= i-jam   =0Ain channel  split  , When  on the = same  frequency, =0Athe  ground  TX  (used tobe ?)&nbs= p;  off  set  =0Afrom the  aircraft  Tx  freq= uency  , so  if =0Athe  Aircraft TX jammed  'ON' t= hen  other  aircraft  =0Acould  still  receive&nbs= p; the  ground   , that  =0Awas  the  reason = for  wide  IF pass  bands =0Aand  keeping  to AM&= nbsp; for the  comm.'s ....  =0AMarine  coms  , adopted=   FM ...
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Big-bang  ,= according  to  my  arrl  hand  =0Abook , HF commu= nications  will  tend to  be  =0Aattenuated  in th= e  direction  of the  burst  , =0Aassume  by = producing  quite  a big  =0AFariday   screen , al= so  recommends  you  keep  =0Ayour  radio  in= a  metal  sweet tin ala   blue =0Apeter  garden !=  
=0A
 
=0A
Did  get  good  sig= nals  on the  MW on the  =0Away  to  work  fr= om  France  during  the  =0Aeclipse some  time&nbs= p; ago  , due to the  lack  of  =0Aionisation
=0A=
 
=0A
G..
=0A
 
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
Fr= om: M0FMT
=0A
Sent: Mond= ay, June 25, 2012 10:02 PM
=0A
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A=0A
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs
=0A
=0A
=0A<= div>Hi Graham
=0A
 
=0A
 
=0A
............ to monitor off frequen= cy nets and the tower/aircraft =0Asplit............... ? there is no sp= lit frequency working the Tower and =0AA/C both use the same QRG its j= ust that the A/C being at altitude can =0Abe heard the Tower being low= and beyond your radio horizon can not be =0Aheard........ if thats what yo= u ment.
=0A
 
=0A
I use th= e say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B) LO for Tower =0Aso when the= hand over from Approach to Tower occures I merely click the =0Aappropriate= LO A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well it is at Luton AP =0Aanyw= ay.
=0A
 
=0A
Sorry wrong = end of the spectrum for this reflector........ just as =0Awell the RSGB att= ention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be getting our =0Akeying fin= gers rapped!!!!!!
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: Graham =0A<g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org =0A
Sent: Mond= ay, 25 June 2012, =0A21:19
Subject= : Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms

=0A =0A
=0A
=0A
Yes I think  Andy  gave a talk&nbs= p; at the  egham  =0Aconvention  on using   a/d&nb= sp; from  mobile  phones , =0Athe  new  ones had the&nb= sp; extra  bits  to  give =0Athe  full  dynamic&nb= sp; range on  HF ..he  was  =0Ausing   hardware&nb= sp; block  convertors ......... never  =0Asaw  any  ite= ms  offered  for  sale  =0A........only  some = ; very  high price  'HF rx'  =0Ausing  the  same&n= bsp; ideas  ...I think  the  =0Agive  away  is&nbs= p; the  band  being  covered in =0Afrequency   blo= cks , which I assume  is  down to  =0Athe  down  c= onvertors
=0A
 
=0A
Dont  think  he is&nb= sp; monitoring  BS now , or  =0Awe  might  of  got= the  fill  in, but  one =0Athings  is  certain, t= he =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle  has  =0Asaved  me  from&nb= sp; buying  a  R7000 ...All we  =0Aneed  now  is&n= bsp; a  little  more  stability  in =0Athe   = control  software  and  a  =0Awide-band  FM = option in  HDSDR 
=0A
 
=0A
Im ge= tting the  gb3ang   beacon  on  70 Mhz  =0Ago= od  signal  with  my indoor   2 ele  quad =0A= .......... the  PMR band  on  446 Mhz  with the  = =0Aco-linera  from  10 miles away in liverpool  ssb on 144 M= Hz  =0Aetc 
=0A
 
=0A
Defina= ble  FM-AFC  (AND  AM) =0A   would be hand= y  to  monitor  off  =0Afrequency  nets  and = the  tower/aircraft   split
=0A
 
=0AI think  possible  the  driver  software  =0Acou= ld  improve  as  more  take  up  the  = =0Aidea  ....... could  HDSDR have  its  own  driv= er  =0Acode  block  .......... Ive  noticed there = is a  =0Aroutine  that  some  times  appears = ; that  =0A'purges'  the  device  ......now  if th= at  could  =0Abe  run at   will  , that = would  be a big  =0Ahelp, to  recover  a  locked&= nbsp;  system
=0A
 
=0A
73 -G.
=0A=0A
=0A

=0A
=0A
<= span>Hi Bob
=0A
 
=0A
If y= ou are directing that mail to me then you need to look at earlier =0Aposts.=
=0A
 
=0A
However if you = are a cheque book Ham then it will be of little =0Ainterest to you. =
=0A
 
=0A
You say dangle we say = dongle..... :-0
=0A
 
=0A
= These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug straight =0Aint= o your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving local =0Ad= igital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in the US an= d =0Athey can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. If I= need to =0Atell you more please ask but this is all in public domain on th= e web (but not in =0AHam mags, at least not in UK). I have played with thes= e things for about 6 =0Amonths now and for a few quid (dollars) are fu= n. If you build a simple up =0Aconverter with a say a 60meg LO guess what, = you have an all band HF radio =0Aas well.
=0A
 
=0A
Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Trac= y was getting at below?? =0AWe are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars.
=0A
 
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: =0A"riese-k3djc@juno.com" <riese-k3djc@juno.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A
Sent: Monday, 25 Ju= ne 2012, =0A19:34
Subject:<= /b> Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms

=0A
=EF=BB=BF =0A=0A=0A
=0A
 
=0A
Been K= inda out of any loop on this  
=0A
 
=0A
= BUT
=0A
 
=0A
if what I read,, if I connect a TV tun= er usb dangle witht he correct chip =0Aset
=0A
it will cover MF to= HF using  an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ
= =0A
which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set= =0AHDSDR
=0A
will run that TV dangle as a HF radio
=0A<= div> 
=0A
??
=0A
 
=0A
Bob K3DJC
= =0A
 
=0A
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gard= ner" <tracey.gardn= er@talktalk.net> =0Awrites:
=0A
=0A
Hello Pete
= =0A
 
=0A
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, the= re is a relatively new kid on =0A the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-= Net from Israel.
=0A
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SD= R i.e. a direct sampling =0A digital down conversion SDR.
=0A
I= t covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a =0A = LAN interface for remote access.
=0A
The best bit is that it co= sts just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT.
=0A
 
= =0A
You can find more details here
=0A
 
=0A http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-desc= ription
=0A
 
=0A =0A
 
=0A
I'= ve no connection other than being a satisfied customer.
=0A
&nbs= p;
=0A
73s Tracey G5VU
=0A
=0A
----- =0A Original Message -----
=0A=
From: =0A M0FMT
=0A = =0A
Sent: =0A Thursday, June = 21, 2012 9:55 PM
=0A
Subject: =0A Re: LF: SDR = programs
=0A

=0A
=0A
Hi Mal
=0A  
=0A
The whole reason these things are getting so muc= h attention is the =0A price and the fact they are independent of a soun= d card or A/D =0A converter. They are not really suitable for = or give any advantage on LF =0A because you need an up converter in fron= t. A Softrock SDR with a good sound =0A card will out perform these stic= ks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its =0A worth persuing to be honest.= However I think with the DVB-T sticks people =0A have been opening them= up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It =0A looks like they = don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX suppiers =0A do. Oh = and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
=0A =
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
 


=0A=0A

=0A<= /div>

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[...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f3d1da032404cd5ad9531631c09e3b44 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1386533404-1991616134-1340652728=:26832" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:433387904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d001.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fe8bd0b6456 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1386533404-1991616134-1340652728=:26832 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Mal I think a lot of us would like to turn the clock back a long way b= ecause in those days Radio was King.=0AHave Key will travel. Read a bit abo= ut the itinerant Telegraphers in the US between the wars. He had his (racer= )key in a baize lined oak box and could set up anywhere to earn a living...= those were the days.=0A=0ANow we all=A0have the mobile phones and no jobs.= .....=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=A0 =0A=0A_________________________= _______=0A From: mal hamilton =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 19:18=0ASubject: Re: LF: Email= ing: 11-18-2009_006=0A =0A=0APete =0AI am sure Mexico radio stns were with= in range after dark =0Abut I listened to the Honolulu stns. =0AIn those day= s I was a Globe Trotter seeking rare DX =0Alocations. I took advantage of f= acilities available at the various locations.to =0Aoperate amateur radio. I= used Aircraft, Ships and Fixed transmitters besides =0Ahaving my own porta= ble equipment when possible to carry with me. =0AI had a certain amount of = Influence to achieve my =0Aobjectives !! =0A=A0 =0A73 de G3KEV =A0Retired G= lobe Trotter =0A=A0 =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>T= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 =0AA= M =0A>Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi Mal =0A>= =A0 =0A>Very intersting =0A>=A0 =0A>Did you hear any of the Border Blaster = X stations out of Mexico, quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with ma= ssive antennas haloed with a corona that could be seen right across the bo= rder into Texas,=A0pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n Roll to the = Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Ionosphere th= an=A0the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at night. Amazing = range which upset the US gov.=0A> =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A= >________________________________=0A>From: mal hamilton =0A>To: rsgb =0A>Sent: Monday, 25 June= 2012, 10:34=0A>Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>Ter= ry es Co =0A>=A0 =0A>Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Goo= gle maps then. =0A>G3KEV/VR4MC =0A>=0A>=A0.=0A>=0A> --1386533404-1991616134-1340652728=:26832 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<= /div>
Well Mal I think a lot of us would like to turn the clock back a = long way because in those days Radio was King.
Have Key will trav= el. Read a bit about the itinerant Telegraphers in the US between the wars. He had his (racer)key in a bai= ze lined oak box and could set up anywhere to earn a living... those were the days.
 
=
Now we all have the mobile phones and no jobs......
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talkta= lk.net>
To: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 19:18
=0A=0A =0A =0A
=0A
Pete
=0A
I am sure Mexico radio stns= were within range after dark =0Abut I listened to the Honolulu stns.
=0A
In those days I was a Globe Trotter see= king rare DX =0Alocations. I took advantage of facilities available at the = various locations.to =0Aoperate amateur radio. I used Aircraft, Ships and F= ixed transmitters besides =0Ahaving my own portable equipment when possible= to carry with me.
=0A
I had a certain= amount of Influence to achieve my =0Aobjectives !!
=0A
 
=0A
73 de G3K= EV  Retired Globe Trotter
=0A
 
=0A
=0A
----- Original Message -----
=0A
From: =0A M0FMT
=0A =0A
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 =0AAM
=0A
Subject: R= e: LF: Emailing: =0A 11-18-2009_006
=0A

=0A
=0A
Hi Mal=
=0A
 
=0A
Very inters= ting
=0A
 
=0A
Did you= hear any of the Border Blaster X stations out of Mexico, =0A quarter mega= watt plus AM MW Broadcasters with massive antennas haloed with a corona that could be seen right across the =0A= border into Texas, pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n Roll t= o the =0A Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Ion= osphere =0A than the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii a= t night. Amazing =0A range which upset the US gov.
=0A 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: mal =0A hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net&= gt;
To: rsgb =0A <r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
S= ent: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A 10:34
Subject: LF: Emailing: =0A 11-18-2009_006

=0A
=0A =0A=0A =0A
Terry es Co
=0A
 
=0A
Show me the way to get home 195= 8 style, no GPS or Google maps then.
=0A
G3KEV/VR4MC
=0A <= div> 
=0A
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--1386533404-1991616134-1340652728=:26832-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 79BE33800009D; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjSxm-0004hV-AH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:25:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjSxl-0004hM-SA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:25:37 +0100 Received: from mail.mvnet.de ([194.25.108.14] helo=server06.mvnet.de) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjSxk-0002Oy-At for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:25:36 +0100 Received: from msvw.mvnet.de (msvw.mvnet.de [194.25.108.49]) by server06.mvnet.de () with ESMTP id q5QAPOkT026477 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:25:24 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (tmo-103-38.customers.d1-online.com [80.187.103.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by msvw.mvnet.de (8.14.5/) with ESMTP id q5QAPX0t010489 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:25:34 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE98E09.7080402@mvnet.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:25:13 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Eberhard_v=2EWedelst=E4dt=22?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20120613 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> In-Reply-To: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: hi Nils, i hear you audible up to good audible [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: ddae800c6581715278ab3184b42d46db Subject: Re: LF: 472khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:299794240:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fe98e605fcd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none hi Nils, i hear you audible up to good audible 73, Eberhard, DL3ZID From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A957F3800009D; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 04:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sj4CZ-0000Di-0w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:59:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sj4CY-0000DV-2A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:59:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sj4CS-0005ip-US for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:59:12 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAHMZ6E9cHYEh/2dsb2JhbABEgkWzWYEIghMFAQEFCAEBAyApAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQoeBxQBBBoGDQkIBhMKAQICAQGHfrg6izOGAgOIFYU2kQmGW4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,471,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542963841" Received: from host-92-29-129-33.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.33]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 2012 08:59:07 +0100 Message-ID: <001501cd52a8$63c2da30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd522f$a0b3f060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 07:59:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Terry The two biggest dangers on Christmas Island were falling Cocoanuts if you were in the vicinity of one of these trees and the other was getting eaten by a shark when swimming. Breathing in DDT was another because the Island was sprayed from the air daily to keep the mosquito population under control. Hbombs were the least hazardous. I was only there for a short time before and after Christmas, everybodys dream to be on Christmas Island for Christmas who would want to miss that !!!!!!!!!!! the ultimate excitement :- Fireworks Galore , chance of being eaten by a shark, or crushed by a cocoanut, poisoned by DDT, pinched by a Crab the up side for a Radio Amateur was the DX location, quiet radio environment and after a BLAST quieter than quiet for several days could not listen to my favoutite radio stations from Honolulu. No satellite communications in those days all LF/MF/HF for long haul and VHF/UHF. The usual air/ground facilities including radar. This is a LF/MF related message. de g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 62fc2827c05a630837daa4729d9cda83 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD52A8.634B8750" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:422466112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fe81aac37c9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD52A8.634B8750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Terry The two biggest dangers on Christmas Island were falling Cocoanuts if = you were in the vicinity of one of these trees and the other was getting = eaten by a shark when swimming. Breathing in DDT was another because the = Island was sprayed from the air daily to keep the mosquito population = under control. Hbombs were the least hazardous. I was only there for a short time before and after Christmas, everybodys = dream to be on Christmas Island for Christmas who would want to miss = that !!!!!!!!!!! the ultimate excitement :- Fireworks Galore , chance of being eaten by a shark, or crushed by a = cocoanut, poisoned by DDT, pinched by a Crab=20 the up side for a Radio Amateur was the DX location, quiet radio = environment and after a BLAST quieter than quiet for several days could = not listen to my favoutite radio stations from Honolulu. No satellite = communications in those days all LF/MF/HF for long haul and VHF/UHF. The = usual air/ground facilities including radar. This is a LF/MF related message. de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry GW0EZY=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:37 PM Subject: LF: RE: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Mal =20 That was around the time of the British hydrogen bomb tests on = Christmas Island. Were you present? If so what effect on LF/HF?? =20 73 Terry =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 24 June 2012 18:35 To: rsgb Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 =20 Graham Reference Pitcairn Is. I spent some time around these Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spent = Christmas on Christmas Island 1958 See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and = all that !! especially South Hotel St I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 = metres. I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. = Daytime very quiet. g3kev =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD52A8.634B8750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Terry
The two biggest dangers on Christmas Island were = falling=20 Cocoanuts if you were in the vicinity of one of these trees and the = other was=20 getting eaten by a shark when swimming. Breathing in DDT was another = because the=20 Island was sprayed from the air daily to keep the mosquito population = under=20 control. Hbombs were the least hazardous.
I was only there for a short time before and = after=20 Christmas, everybodys dream to be on Christmas Island for Christmas who = would=20 want to miss that !!!!!!!!!!! the ultimate excitement :-
Fireworks Galore , chance of being eaten by a = shark, or=20 crushed by a cocoanut, poisoned by DDT, pinched by a Crab
the up side for a Radio Amateur was the DX = location, quiet=20 radio environment and after a BLAST quieter than quiet for several days = could=20 not listen to my favoutite radio stations from Honolulu. No satellite=20 communications in those days all LF/MF/HF for long haul and VHF/UHF. The = usual=20 air/ground facilities including radar.
This is a LF/MF related message.
de g3kev
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Terry = GW0EZY
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 = 9:37 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Emailing:=20 11-18-2009_005

Mal

 

That was = around the=20 time of the British hydrogen bomb tests on Christmas=20 Island. Were you present? If so what effect on=20 LF/HF??

 

73=20 Terry

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 24 June 2012 = 18:35
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Emailing:=20 11-18-2009_005

 

   =20 Graham

Reference Pitcairn=20 Is.

I spent some time=20 around these Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spent = Christmas on=20 Christmas Island=20 1958

See above pic Road to = Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and all that = !!=20 especially South = Hotel=20 St

I must add on LF/MF es = HF it was=20 so quiet just like listening on 2 = metres.

I used to listen most = nights to=20 KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. Daytime very=20 quiet.

g3kev

 

 

 

= ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD52A8.634B8750-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 460E0380000A8; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sci0j-0004KL-9m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:04:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sci0i-0004KC-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:04:44 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sci0g-0003oi-9O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:04:43 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Jun 2012 19:04:40 -0000 Received: from p5B39564A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.86.74] by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 21:04:40 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX192ML0jx7F2QGe9y7GXYhVMK2FbbBGN3ziFJRbnAv yFTB63l55Zl8wj Message-ID: <004901cd44e0$644b4530$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000901cd44bf$d7d97f10$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:03:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: For those who do not read the yahoo list: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36274675/DK7FC_137kHz_07062012.mp3 73 Clemens DL4RAJ [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.23 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 8556389a5ea14fbbf9b9d801ab70c592 Subject: LF: Re: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475732320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fd0fb923440 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none For those who do not read the yahoo list: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36274675/DK7FC_137kHz_07062012.mp3 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemens Paul" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > Stefan, > > here S>9 / SNR 20dB in 100Hz BW. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > Loc:Sdostbayern,12,90006O/48,4150N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) > http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN68KJ79WJ > Perseus mit Dipol 2x156m > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Schfer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:10 PM > Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > > >> LF! >> >> I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with >> thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challenge >> for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN :-) >> In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at >> http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 so >> this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> >> >> ----- >> E-Mail ist virenfrei. >> Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de >> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5053 - Ausgabedatum: 06.06.2012 > > > > > ----- > E-Mail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5053 - Ausgabedatum: 06.06.2012 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B6B4E380000AC; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjV89-0005sJ-51 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:44:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjV88-0005sA-JE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:44:28 +0100 Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjV86-0006UT-58 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:44:27 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2012 12:44:25 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.243] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2012 12:44:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2012 12:44:25 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 73999.10732.bm@omp1008.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16209 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2012 12:44:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340714664; bh=BeWKfbB5Ps/zCrMsiikTRLMP1tEZURm5MEhgAEjOHzQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eqXrA/ANpOb04g1NHQe2e/6PX/XoNhfOy72i5cFgza5UqI+Hdux4JYf0Jw69l6esvsSPoBpfTZB+z6Y54UVyarFuzF3391ATMqNMRHqVlmgqGDcrD83kWFINj44h0ZdWvvQjK1tTGLEs8jPmDF0e+l0+C5+FqvK/0WHQKyYMisk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KOLwTr7YUvP9FZ/TYLXAL/p54964dP097oa35RBI4n/OYkFaStx6LvEem39QYVmf5ZgyW5wPbfBEtJW0ZKqsKfFSevu9CbJL2rty+Oyv7t6f9i/iAOi31qre5SfwzrguUr0e1+lDHz8uXrnLl3VzDEj9DSlbuzAtbc4D3wCp1xM=; X-YMail-OSG: URe5B4gVM1lw9NEMAFSRWtCLqVTI.1845D37TjdFpGU010c .L1BnyQw8yTfFbm9Xajn7bKeppeRx9rOOzpbQtcqJ57MvBj1q7.nrGlRm4Vw nJu_EO76ON_5.m75xbviZSzbPogF9oOJFQOTi0Sdphioh4rwcKjIXF7uf7SA usdhUZG39qaufrhtHb_eD4dKhFeIgyFqf_1DgkxjqnEhid3mg8lpWK3wPU9Z EFchQG929jyrktx9uPrDNCxyNARMR6s7anBJ731ZJQs9mJhM0rNpqOwQpasj hHVWQLd8sbdRP_9LM9GhgwVHEUjlZk2d4igNFyIa2ubG7WuhRIge7H7LHeUj WWrPQMHTL_d9R5kjvVY4XEdhAnQhzd7DCvK3v5Zcnhy1VTdUgaZqcCQD_oZ7 UVLucvNqOLC9ZuGdm8XryRZUcxCnWa5yVn.RQZ8MSSOEyla3oYRxFxw-- Received: from [86.164.61.75] by web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:44:24 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-ID: <1340714664.16060.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:44:24 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mal Yes and AM has the same sort of transparency to co channel signals as SSB to a degree (same type of mode of course) where as FM captures the channel and cannot be over ridden unless the competing signal is about 3dB stronger. FM also seems to drop off very quickly with range especially if the audio modulation is not set to its optimum i.e with 6dB compresson (Pre emphasis, clipped, De emphasis, filtered). Further more this very narrow band FM IMHO is useless. And it is FM that we can thank for V/UHF channelisation it never used to be like that it was the availability of in the late 60s/70s of cheap Rice Boxes that turned it into an FM channalised wastland. I think AM has a lot going for it and it amazes me that the Marine people opted for FM since they must have had advisers who were familiar with the days 2182. We try to keep AM going on TB and 4m around here but the FM seems to have hijacked 70.26 in the name of the RSGB. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1e15d6d6179985f133b43d42d658878a Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1280246733-1340714664=:16060" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444763072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m231.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4fe9aee03b56 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1280246733-1340714664=:16060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal=0A=A0=0AYes and AM has the same sort of transparency to co channel s= ignals as SSB to a degree (same type of mode of course) where as FM capture= s the channel and cannot be over ridden unless the competing signal is abou= t 3dB stronger. FM also seems to drop off very quickly with range especiall= y if the audio modulation is not set to its optimum i.e with 6dB compresson= (Pre emphasis, clipped, De emphasis, filtered). Further more this very nar= row band FM IMHO is useless. And it is FM that we can thank for V/UHF chann= elisation it never used to be like that it was the availability of in the l= ate 60s/70s of cheap Rice Boxes that turned it into an FM channalised wastl= and.=0AI think AM has a lot going for it and it amazes me that the Marine p= eople opted for=A0FM since they must have had advisers who were familiar wi= th the days 2182. We try to keep AM going on TB and 4m around here but the = FM seems to have hijacked 70.26 in the name of the RSGB.=0A=A0=0A73 es GL P= ete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: mal hami= lton =0ATo: rsgb =0AS= ent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 8:36=0ASubject: LF: A/G FREQS=0A =0A=0A =0AAs= stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and =0Asimplex=A0working. =A0I have also n= oticed a well modulated AM transmitter =0Ais more potent than a FM transmit= ter when working at max range. On AM the RX =0Abandwidth can be opened up t= o receive several stations simultaneously then =0Aselect the one of interes= t by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on =0ACW. =A0On FM if y= ou tried this the=A0transmission would fall into a black =0Ahole, in other = words the=A0FM rx has to be tailored to the =0Aexact=A0bandwidth of the tra= nsmission (same deviation value) =0Ag3kev --435439028-1280246733-1340714664=:16060 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mal
 
Yes and AM has the same sort of transparency to co channel signals= as SSB to a degree (same type of mode of course) where as FM captures the = channel and cannot be over ridden unless the competing signal is about 3dB = stronger. FM also seems to drop off very quickly with range especially if t= he audio modulation is not set to its optimum i.e with 6dB compresson (Pre = emphasis, clipped, De emphasis, filtered). Further more this very narrow ba= nd FM IMHO is useless. And it is FM that we can thank for V/UHF channelisat= ion it never used to be like that it was the availability of in the late 60= s/70s of cheap Rice Boxes that turned it into an FM channalised wastland.
I think AM has a lot going for it and it amazes me that the Marine= people opted for FM since they must have had advisers who were familiar with the days 2182. We try to keep AM going on TB and 4m around h= ere but the FM seems to have hijacked 70.26 in the name of the RSGB.
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal ham= ilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 8:36 Subject: LF: A/G FREQS

=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A
=0A<= div>As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and =0Asimplex&= nbsp;working.  I have also noticed a well modulated AM transmitter =0A= is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM the R= X =0Abandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously = then =0Aselect the one of interest by closing down the selectivity, the sam= e applies on =0ACW.  On FM if you tried this the transmission wou= ld fall into a black =0Ahole, in other words the FM rx has to be tailo= red to the =0Aexact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation valu= e)
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--435439028-1280246733-1340714664=:16060-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 81E3E380000BC; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaEHB-0000E5-97 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:55:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaEHA-0000Dw-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:55:28 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaEH7-0006WS-QC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:55:27 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4VMtNdP010344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:55:23 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q4VMtNPt021903 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:55:23 +0200 Message-ID: <4FC7F686.3020304@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:53:58 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <4FC74C16.1050905@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC75239.6090105@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000601cd3f2d$7877fca0$6d01a8c0@DELL4> <4FC76ECD.8040401@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002f01cd3f35$a45c6e70$6d01a8c0@DELL4> <4FC79E2E.4070101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002801cd3f5b$067ecec0$6d01a8c0@DELL4> In-Reply-To: <002801cd3f5b$067ecec0$6d01a8c0@DELL4> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q4VMtNdP010344 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jay, LF, Thanks very much again! Well, if the PA efficiency is 90% with standard parts, what can you achieve with the speial core material? I can obtain the 77 ferrite material here but never heard about the 79 material. I can hardly imagine that there is much more room for significant improvements. More infos apprechiated. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: b4085bc26841e34d79a2f3beb8f287b1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Current mode class D PA for 475 kHz - success Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485729024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d94fc7f7262eee X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jay, LF, Thanks very much again! Well, if the PA efficiency is 90% with standard parts, what can you=20 achieve with the speial core material? I can obtain the 77 ferrite=20 material here but never heard about the 79 material. I can hardly=20 imagine that there is much more room for significant improvements. More=20 infos apprechiated. For now, as a result of this day i want to show some photos i've just=20 taken. BTW the PA is now driven from the Elecraft K2 which i built in=20 2003. Just 1W RF is needed (at 1900 kHz =3D> 475 kHz) to drive the PA inp= ut! Gate voltage waveform from the ICL7667:=20 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Gate%20voltage%20475%20kHz%205VperDIV= %20ICL7667%2BIRFZ48N.JPG Drain, unloaded:=20 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Drain%20Source%20voltage%20without%20= a%20load.JPG Drain at 40W RF:=20 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Drain%20Source%20voltage%20%40%2040W%= 20RF%20out.JPG Comments? No, i don't have a Hello Kitty scope, the pink colour comes from the=20 auto adjustment of the image... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 31.05.2012 20:27, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: > Stefan > > Well ... guess you have already answered your own question ;~) > > I've stuck with transformer coupled designs ... VMCD for 137 / 500=20 > kHz and CMCD for 160 / 75 / 40 meters. I don't have much experience=20 > with the bridge circuits which I believe is what you normally use. > > Without a load at the transmitter output both types behave well - they=20 > act as though they aren't even keyed. I've mistakenly keyed them into=20 > incorrect loads (antennas for other bands) with no ill effects.=20 > Operating into impedances other than 50 ohms cause a shift in the=20 > drain voltage/current ratio as expected ... so there are limits. From=20 > experience a 1.5:1 VSWR during normal operation isn't a concern. > > The ringing on the off FET drain is an issue with VMCD and is mainly=20 > due to leakage reactance of the transformer. In my experience, this is=20 > best minimized by choosing a core material that provides enough=20 > winding reactance for the frequency in use without going overboard.=20 > For my 137 kHz KW transmitter (yet to be written up) I used an=20 > FT-240-78 core. 78 material was specifically developed for the=20 > frequency range between 100 and 200 kHz and works excellent. These=20 > cores are standard parts. For my 500 kHz KW transmitter (yet to be=20 > written up) I used an FT-240-79 core. 79 material is even better than=20 > 78 material at 500 kHz. Unfortunately, these are not readily available=20 > - 79 is a newer material and available in only a few sizes that aren't=20 > conducive to what we're doing. I parted with some NRE money last year=20 > and got Fair Rite to make some FT-240-79 cores for me. Last I checked=20 > they hadn't added it to their catalog ;~( > > Even with the correct core material and winding technique (interleaved=20 > primary and secondary windings) some form of snubber from each drain=20 > to source is required. Choosing the correct R and C is an interesting=20 > exercise. Rather than go over it here check out this paper by Rudy=20 > Severn: > > http://www.ee.bgu.ac.il/~pel/links/DESIGN_OF_SNUBBERS_FOR_POWER_CIRCUIT= S.pdf=20 > > > BTW, Rudy is one of the WD2XSH 500 kHz group. He also has a You Tube=20 > videos on the subject ... and a book as well. > > In my experience the ringing is not a problem as long as it is=20 > controlled and well under the voltage limits of the FET. In my KW VMCD=20 > the drain square wave is 100 V (2 X supply voltage (50VDC)) and the=20 > first peak of the ringing voltage brings this up to about 140 V. The=20 > FETs in use here are 240 volt parts. > > Jay > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 > > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Current mode class D PA for 475 kHz - success > > >> Jay, MF, >> >> I just tried the CMCD and immediately achieved 89% efficiency at=20 >> 12VDC and 36W RF at 475 kHz (dummy load). Just a first result. I can=20 >> answer my own question now: Without a load the PA behaves not=20 >> critical! The current consumption is 0.2A only (including the current=20 >> of the VFO and exciter) !! :-) I'm going to improve the design now=20 >> and will publish some photos soon... >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 31.05.2012 15:59, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: >>> Stefan >>> >>> Thanks for the positive comments. >>> >>> Have to admit I haven't been following what you're up to ... curious=20 >>> what problems you're running into with VMCD at 500 kHz? >>> >>> Jay >>> >>> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1BA2F380000A4; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 04:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb6Jr-0004w8-Nf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 09:37:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb6Jr-0004vz-92 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 09:37:51 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb6Jp-0000KM-M9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 09:37:50 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p548D15DC.dip.t-dialin.net [84.141.21.220]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Ltj2f-1Ru6eX0kwX-011hZJ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:37:48 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:37:47 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:MSBWrav8CuF0Ja8A2mqfHkI9wQSqL6aae/XmrtS8LAw 5HCnX1kqbR+TMvTPpmiiINe5iEEaVR2auAy+tIsaw+HRbqTU6+ xFDH3aHd2t5rvSdDsFpOhz8samyDEmxIN3xL16/Eln6UbHQsGf AFLu+YUVLOL5th9I8VK0Ao+g2LWJESqAx5AZ9I6YvatMSxpxRE McfZOK2/GG4DTg0vlLrj2qRJTl9DpeNZz9XTr34QIR6VwoEjkO 76O+jaJhGQ+X72mBI2Dwm5hYN1nhvnkcWr/L9Js1/AuKMvteWz efAhPumaahwoLtO+OTK+DCEmSrGFnTEe1YAHtAS8tutXDF+muM ytA9zb/+8eW65Y/wGjSH1I8i0pcyHMJ4TZxDR10pi X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: To John, G3WKL, Please do NOT shut down this reflector. 1. It's active in positive sense. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear friends, the "old" reflektor did a good job. I learned a lot there. Many thanks to All who kept him working all the years. In my opinion there was no necessity to have a new one. The few spams were simply deleted - no problem. But probably other OM's know more about what will be required in future. So I joined the new reflctor ( many thanks to Markus for his assistance ), but I am still on the "old" one, too. Please keep him alive for a long while. ( I know what I need - no advertising. 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I learned a lot there. Many = thanks to All who kept him working all the years. In my opinion there = was no necessity to have a new one. The few spams were simply deleted - = no problem. But probably other OM's know more about what will be required = in future. So I joined the new reflctor ( many thanks to Markus for his = assistance ), but I am still on the "old" one, too. Please keep him = alive for a long while. ( I know what I need - no advertising. So "Barclay's Card" is of = no interest. ) Hope for a satisfactory solution 73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD4285.F0033CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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        the=20 "old" reflektor did a good job. I learned a lot there. Many thanks to = All who=20 kept him working all the years. In my opinion there was no = necessity to=20 have a new one. The few spams were simply deleted - no=20 problem.
        =20 But probably other OM's know more about what will be required in future. = So I=20 joined the new reflctor ( many thanks to Markus for his assistance ), = but I am=20 still on the "old" one, too. Please keep him alive for a long=20 while.
        ( I=20 know what I need - no advertising. So "Barclay's Card" is of no = interest.=20 )
Hope for a satisfactory = solution
73
Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD4285.F0033CC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2317C38000096; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkAJB-0004aV-2f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:42:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkAJA-0004aM-JW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:42:36 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkAJ8-00087C-Je for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:42:35 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.11] (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2D64C8051 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:42:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4FEC18F4.9050608@online.fr> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:42:28 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stephan , Me too 73 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a écrit : > Hi Stephan > Me Too > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > *From:* "PA1SDB, Peter" > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12 > *Subject:* LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > > like > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rik Strobbe > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM > *Subject:* LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > > //If/ someone is interested i may convert the > circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file./ > Always interested ;-) > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.27.42.4 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 54c274b8b0f8da777e8f702c98fe24ad Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010906060700090500010302" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440043072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a4fec192d7aed X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010906060700090500010302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stephan , Me too 73 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =E9crit : > Hi Stephan > Me Too > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > *From:* "PA1SDB, Peter" > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12 > *Subject:* LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > > like > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rik Strobbe > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM > *Subject:* LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > > //If/ someone is interested i may convert the > circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file./ > Always interested ;-) > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > --------------010906060700090500010302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Stephan ,
Me too
73  , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ 



Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a écrit :
Hi Stephan
 
Me Too

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "PA1SDB, Peter" <pa1sdb@amsat.org>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12
Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

like
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM
Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file.
 
Always interested ;-)
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T




--------------010906060700090500010302-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 630593800008B; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeO5e-0007oz-6v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:12:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeO5d-0007oq-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:12:45 +0100 Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeO5b-0006s6-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:12:44 +0100 Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MNBY1j0020ldTLk55NChin; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:12:41 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MNCg1j00X0CFS1j3QNCgpu; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:12:40 +0000 Message-ID: <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:12:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sefan Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at 'disturbed' levels it is unlikely that I would have had reception of your signals. It might be a good idea to check http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html for the DST levels before an overnight T/A attempt. Generally speaking, condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or better for a couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th or 10th would have been better T/A nights. The big dip starting on the 10th is a problem. [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.48 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 046f068074e745d5c60ca47deee9b503 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:463185024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fd716794e57 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Sefan Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at 'disturbed' levels it is unlikely that I would have had reception of your signals. It might be a good idea to check http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html for the DST levels before an overnight T/A attempt. Generally speaking, condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or better for a couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th or 10th would have been better T/A nights. The big dip starting on the 10th is a problem. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:09 PM Subject: LF: Beacon to the west > LF, > > Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night. The TX is already on air... > > In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it may be a bit difficult to > become visible in TA. But who knows... > > At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for distances below 3000 km. Probably > because the area in darkness is small on the northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away is > attenuated. So the distances within the first hop range may be a bit lower than in winther but > maybe the noise is even lower so S/N improvement of some dB results. > At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done many tests and the radiated > signal was even 3 dB stronger than a few days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm > thinking different about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BA60B38000088; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdOdI-0008Tt-FH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:35:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdOdI-0008Tk-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:35:24 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdOdG-0005BK-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:35:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p548D15EB.dip.t-dialin.net [84.141.21.235]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LrGGm-1RyjHZ0IZg-012ujK; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:35:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD37B48.20201@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:35:20 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:yI078AjEdkmTAlgMEM6ZkE8xqWFlsPHNTDV4R9UNJqJ DtlYipI2OVjQDscaAvYPJXeFcBnFmZbdLl4dpR9k8fufgW8g9N 5coPmWwc5Z6GM1Mx8CnNvP2tJ1+4FcHbZ8KfkUgTEYD3ACSSxP NdzpGSkE/rWYWdAh2FfhnLlHm/YWCV7IXSr7e/PfWDg+0YXccN IUQJrLwzi/JtYHZoSGBV6nZF7Q8K+xrVxCbWnIVDTweY4e7M57 1NgsbZvenyAVR26uhimY1ezaaZJywdEvAy9l+O6V86eZuV6PIK rxqAG0FNzYG6apZX6vgrbJB0F2ko/t9+4NwQue8EnqNd4EMuK0 +kPr+0wYA6XH3E7ISf7KJwe/yNes+5BDM0jNRFKKb X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hi, Update: http://df3lp.de/misc/hga22/ Peter, df3lp [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 9769dc1fd6241281ce50b20c60b79e34 Subject: LF: Annual course of hga22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:339807712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fd37b7a69fe X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi, Update: http://df3lp.de/misc/hga22/ Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B03C438000093; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdlNv-00040b-PU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:53:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdlNv-00040S-7W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:53:03 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdlNs-0000q2-Hw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:53:02 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5AGqwD4030740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:52:58 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5AGqvMK026775 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:52:57 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD4D08A.6070408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:51:22 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <000001cd461f$4d2fef50$e78fcdf0$@com> <005e01cd4621$e0d34660$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <01bc01cd4623$557e9090$007bb1b0$@com> In-Reply-To: <01bc01cd4623$557e9090$007bb1b0$@com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Terry, What kind ogf antenna will you use and what is the L of your coil? Will you start using QRO or will you use the audio amp in the first attempt? The latest LF activities are very encouraging and i think we could go to a positive circle to increase activity on that band. Furthermore you may be in a very good position to try to leave a signal in Venezuela. The last days there was no chance for me to leave a trace there but now Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and bought some parts for a loop antenna, so we will go on there very soon! When will you come on air? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 84ab60ecdd4473835b39687102047368 Subject: LF: GW0EZY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040304000003050602020701" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488724128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494fd4d1225da0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040304000003050602020701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Terry, What kind ogf antenna will you use and what is the L of your coil? Will you start using QRO or will you use the audio amp in the first attempt? The latest LF activities are very encouraging and i think we could go to a positive circle to increase activity on that band. Furthermore you may be in a very good position to try to leave a signal in Venezuela. The last days there was no chance for me to leave a trace there but now Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and bought some parts for a loop antenna, so we will go on there very soon! When will you come on air? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 09.06.2012 11:36, schrieb Terry GW0EZY: > > I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very > rusty!! > > I see you QSX 7033 for 502 -- do you do the same for 136?? > > 73 Terry > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *mal hamilton > *Sent:* 09 June 2012 10:26 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now > > Thanks Terry. > > Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW > where information can be exchanged in a few minutes. > > Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. > There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly > strong and both ends have suitable antennas. > > 73 es GL de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Terry GW0EZY > > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > *Sent:* Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM > > *Subject:* LF: RE: 136.5 now > > Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !! > > Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. > > 73 Terry > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *mal > hamilton > *Sent:* 09 June 2012 09:40 > *To:* rsgb > *Cc:* rsgb > *Subject:* LF: 136.5 now > > LF > > Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call > > de g3kev > --------------040304000003050602020701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Terry,

What kind ogf antenna will you use and what is the L of your coil? Will you start using QRO or will you use the audio amp in the first attempt? The latest LF activities are very encouraging and i think we could go to a positive circle to increase activity on that band. Furthermore you may be in a very good position to try to leave a signal in Venezuela.
The last days there was no chance for me to leave a trace there but now Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and bought some parts for a loop antenna, so we will go on there very soon!
When will you come on air?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 09.06.2012 11:36, schrieb Terry GW0EZY:

I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very rusty!!

 

I see you QSX 7033 for 502 – do you do the same for 136??

 

73 Terry

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 10:26
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now

 

Thanks Terry.

Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW where information can be exchanged in a few minutes.

Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong and both ends have suitable antennas.

73 es GL de mal/g3kev

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Terry GW0EZY

Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM

Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now

 

Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !!

 

Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579.

 

73 Terry

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb
Subject: LF: 136.5 now

 

LF

Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call

 

de g3kev

 

--------------040304000003050602020701-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CC0BA380000A0; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 04:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSHd-0000uG-4w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:05:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSHc-0000u1-8v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:05:00 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbSHa-0005Js-95 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:04:59 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AugJAI1rzE9cF/bI/2dsb2JhbABFiX2ofASBJoEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMlASMCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh2wDBgmsQguJUIsRToIsgxYDjT2QfoZWgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,711,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="540258907" Received: from host-92-23-246-200.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.200]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 09:04:57 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01cd4228$bae27220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <535C7AB088034F3CAF4C51D1FF382816@AGB> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:04:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Good idea Graham. I hope the blacksheep will continue. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 7:40 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488499296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fcc6c565453 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Good idea Graham. I hope the blacksheep will continue. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 7:40 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > Yes 'Flash' traffic only on the ref > > G. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Clive Lorton" > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:04 AM > To: ; > Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > > > Gentlemen, > > > > Im beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. Blacksheep > > as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo for technical > > discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be archived and > > design/construction projects can make full use of the search function and > > files section of Yahoo. > > > > Just my two pence worth.. > > > > Clive g8poc > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0C84E380000A8; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiC6i-0008Ux-PR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:13:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiC6i-0008Uo-D6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:13:36 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiC6g-0002w2-SS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:13:35 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5MMDXwC022490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:13:34 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5MMDXY9026871 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:13:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE4EDA1.1050809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:11:45 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE4E966.6060703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE4E966.6060703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5MMDXwC022490 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, Join in!! Summer acty in the motto of the evening! The sunshine time cannot be longer in the year. This is good for local LF propagation :-) Am 22.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Stefan Schäfer: > Hi Alex, > > I just started the TX. Can you transmit as well? > Looking forward to see some traces, hopefully i'm coming through... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: cc2e5baae40f8f7a09b47e6877ef0bfb Subject: Re: LF: RN3AUS grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497537280:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61854fe4ee49301b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Mal, Join in!! Summer acty in the motto of the evening! The sunshine time=20 cannot be longer in the year. This is good for local LF propagation :-) Am 22.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > Hi Alex, > > I just started the TX. Can you transmit as well? > Looking forward to see some traces, hopefully i'm coming through... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E55B23800008D; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Saolv-0007Qo-Fo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:53:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Saolu-0007Qf-UX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:53:38 +0100 Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.69]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Saols-0005pR-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:53:37 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 13:53:34 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.241] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 13:53:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 13:53:34 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 322769.87737.bm@omp1006.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 52869 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2012 13:53:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338645214; bh=TrIwJP5NcFBM1/aJFoVw9mncOKjlhvb/qM5jinkiuzM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H0Z8d1IfCGjHcluL6mL121+UHK1DMqYo4LhU+V7rhKzpg8oHYY3255enhLbqOkn9aRLw1oiAQF90uxSWdUFHRb4aSR9ikkPZRcEBxmzfC4GiNGOlBY6ZnfVj63DFIgzw3+e3z05ZAwYSjfYzzTLDV51MPnep47R4yEy1RDFFY14= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MSe+LBJrhtBFeGVdPqkJk6aJiTRCggCuFamt/ydHBFLowK5ztdhXI+3Hpc83pv7dBCjkIkGwUDCCgA8xlTzGqXDXG4oUQY4M2cdIddafBjPoTonWkboPcTUb8rdVmNI2ZtGXlBspQ2TM5EywXps/TqB+bDdHGE8rttwfmMezEik=; X-YMail-OSG: zcsCEC4VM1kqBbwMi8KKip7_pOXuYfZGukR7gLQk9XuX96V D_4Vm.IfwDfwtaUSTbcIXmW04udNm9syhcU.71JJAc0JWdxAU_ERCB5F_VWC Peafl0DH0ryg5ebAKPnqWXqGByBiOQtgBIKZHf9JDiCI7e_uoKo_JwDVycnN B0bB3gpxq7ZvOzJ4sAQf9viv8mx1BFnKmYCiC1q_8KmoxinAhY1hpLnqPYjQ NyCuD0YDUmVfQwH1vlJ37k88KP1_kpK3n40pfkqJ2cUH88cPLCrH9kgdFZqL Y4vHx.BhyMclBFj2pHsoBM2TRFS3.3GDPLUUKzjviWY7q5_OuBa2wVyYh7Ii wFY3Y.RUXN.hRz_H7jAvNRrHBGq_Yf9C8edrJgta_gwkGz6JdhkuQDJ9077w NjH7WC3lB_oRQXzRubWYD7Qp9nvl1_Y1I3zsoUxXw3Gn2Ee3votuB6VvyxMO Uux697X9Y3bVihkxGxzV559yI3ydOBP6m Received: from [86.164.62.42] by web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:53:33 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338642928.56058.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1338645213.47892.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:53:33 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <1338642928.56058.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All thanks for the help to date now going QRT on the off channel qrg now back to RX only on opera. mni 73 Pete Mofmt. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 14:15 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.69 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f64a6c8ea7591cecbecc6db95ffdd328 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial... NOW QRT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-152950803-1338645213=:47892" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:434020192:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m411.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fca1b2f7bf6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-152950803-1338645213=:47892 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All thanks for the help to date now going QRT on the off channel qrg now= back to RX only on opera.=0Amni 73 Pete Mofmt.=0A=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT= IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: M0FMT =0ATo: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 14:15=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 50= 1.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A =0A=0AHi Paul as near as I can measure 503.276kc/s= from a cold counter. Tnx for your interest.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91U= X=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Clemens Paul =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ACc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.= co.uk =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 12:58=0ASubject: LF: Re: beacon on 50= 1.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0A>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial set= ting =0A=C2=A0 =0AWhat is the actual tx qrg then? =0AJust for exactly looki= ng if the signal is visible at =0Aall. =0A=C2=A0 =0A73=0AClemens=0ADL4RAJ = =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org =0A>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM =0A>Subject: LF: be= acon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Please report my= beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.=0A>=0A>73 Pe= te FMT=0A> =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>_________________= _______________=0A>=C2=A0 =0A>E-Mail ist virenfrei.=0A>Von AVG =0A =C3=BC= berpr=C3=BCft - www.avg.de=0A>Version: 2012.0.2178 =0A / Virendatenbank: 2= 425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012 ---1613889061-152950803-1338645213=:47892 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All thanks for t= he help to date now going QRT on the off channel qrg now back to RX only on= opera.
mni 73 Pete Mofmt.
73 e= s GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
<= b>From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo= .co.uk>
To: "rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 14:15=
Subject: Re: LF: Re: = beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi Paul as near as I can measure 503.276kc/s fro= m a cold counter. Tnx for your interest.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: Clem= ens Paul <cpaul@gmx.net>
To:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 12:58
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc= /s USB RX dial

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---1613889061-152950803-1338645213=:47892-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7B57C3800009F; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbE4C-0002fu-8u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:54:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbE4B-0002fl-GB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:54:11 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbE49-0002cM-Iw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:54:10 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA162AC3F2; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:54:06 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 028qFcq3e3920M01; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:54:04 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.3] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID061qFcq3e4558X01; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:54:04 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.3 IN dibene@usa.net imap03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID061qFcq3e4558X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.22.185] by imap03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 523qFcq3D2016M23; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:54:04 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.22.185 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:54:01 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, LF Mailing List References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-0, 06/03/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID523qFcq3e2016X23 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I have already voted on the Poll feature of Yahoo (another useful tool of that system), but let me voice here again my complete agreement about the switching to the new system, and the closing down of the Blacksheep reflector. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.31 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090707090601010502000109" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:447182240:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fcb96e969b2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090707090601010502000109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have already voted on the Poll feature of Yahoo (another useful tool of that system), but let me voice here again my complete agreement about the switching to the new system, and the closing down of the Blacksheep reflector. Too many times when I was searching for postings that could be useful for me for one or another reason, I sorely felt the lack of a searchable archive on the old and outdated reflector. And having two groups can only lead to confusion and double posting (like this one...) 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------090707090601010502000109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have already voted on the Poll feature of Yahoo (another useful tool of that system),
but let me voice here again my complete agreement about the switching to the new
system, and the closing down of the Blacksheep reflector.

Too many times when I was searching for postings that could be useful for me for
one or another reason, I sorely felt the lack of a searchable archive on the old
and outdated reflector.

And having two groups can only lead to confusion and double posting (like this one...)

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Gentlemen. I think it a very good idea to have a technical/qso split, this is why I voted to keep both. I would also be very useful if possible to be able to contact members direct through either site on technical issues. I have sent this message via both sites for those who have not migrated [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.199 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 75bd9e83b9a4dd6aff3296cebc5bb885 Subject: RE: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:502259328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m215.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574fcc7c3f714d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Gentlemen. I think it a very good idea to have a technical/qso split, this is why I voted to keep both. I would also be very useful if possible to be able to contact members direct through either site on technical issues. I have sent this message via both sites for those who have not migrated 73 Ken M0KHW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: 04 June 2012 09:06 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Yes, I agree too. It's the best piece of common sense there's been for a while about this. Well done Clive! Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3zjo" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > Yes its a good compromise and I never feel pain or distress when receiving > mails from two sources personally. > > Eddie > > On 04/06/2012 08:40, Graham wrote: >> Yes 'Flash' traffic only on the ref >> >> G. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Clive Lorton" >> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:04 AM >> To: ; >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep >> >>> Gentlemen, >>> >>> I'm beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. >>> Blacksheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo >>> for technical discussion. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Been Kinda out of any loop on this BUT if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct chip set it will cover MF to HF using an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with my SDR IQ which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set HDSDR will run that TV dangle as a HF radio [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.136.55.36 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (riese-k3djc[at]juno.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 9af9bda535a078107136d2385fe00312 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_6358.05b6.0605 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_JUNO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:503166624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m004.1 ; domain : juno.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fe8afdc237e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_6358.05b6.0605 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Been Kinda out of any loop on this BUT if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct chip set it will cover MF to HF using an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with my SDR IQ which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set HDSDR will run that TV dangle as a HF radio ?? Bob K3DJC On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" writes: Hello Pete If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling digital down conversion SDR. It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a LAN interface for remote access. The best bit is that it costs just over 200 inc shipping and VAT. You can find more details here http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description https://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b1022925e I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer. 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message ----- From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Mal The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on LF because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks people have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ----__JNP_000_6358.05b6.0605 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
 
Been Kinda out of any loop on this  
 
BUT
 
if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct = chip=20 set
it will cover MF to HF using  an appropriate program. I use HDSDR= with=20 my SDR IQ
which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set=20 HDSDR
will run that TV dangle as a HF radio
 
??
 
Bob K3DJC
 
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" <tracey.gardner@talktalk.net= >=20 writes:
Hello Pete
 
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new = kid on=20 the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel.
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling= =20 digital down conversion SDR.
It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and = has a=20 LAN interface for remote access.
The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and = VAT.
 
You can find more details here
 
http://= 4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description
 
https://www.box.com/s= /1cd9353fa35b1022925e
 
I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer.
 
73s Tracey G5VU
----- Original Message -----
= From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:= 55=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Mal
 
The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the= =20 price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D=20 converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage = on LF=20 because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound=20 card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its= =20 worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks = people=20 have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. = It=20 looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX = suppiers=20 do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
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Am 30.06.2012 00:08, schrieb Alan Melia: > Stefan if they are really that old then they mar be deterioration of > the elements. > Seems not to apply for the ones i have. :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f548c2e6c4e712c1eb3dcc8bf83f0d4f Subject: Re: LF: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010909030502070500060606" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:508319424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fee3b271408 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010909030502070500060606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TNVoYE008320 Hi Alan, Mike, Claudio, Thanks for the help! Am 30.06.2012 00:08, schrieb Alan Melia: > Stefan if they are really that old then they mar be deterioration of=20 > the elements. > Seems not to apply for the ones i have. :-) See my results: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/473%20kHz%20ZF%20Filter%201%20dB.png= =20 showing < -1 dB ripple now! Excellent and well suitable for a MF RX. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/473%20kHz%20ZF%20Filter%2040%20dB.pn= g Arrangement:=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/473%20kHz%20ZF%20filter%20Messung.JP= G Capacitive matching is very critical but the resistance may vary +-1=20 kOhm without dramatic changes... I plan to build that filter for a 50 Ohm system. That should allow to=20 use my IC706 in a future kite experiment on MF and use the TX antenna=20 for receiving too... 73, Stefan/DK7FC > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2012 9:26 PM > *Subject:* LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters > > 4th try... > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters > Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 > Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > MF, > > I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 4= 73 > kHz. It is available at > http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.htm= l > (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured= the > frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the > impedances to be connected to the wires. > There is even a datasheet at > http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf > > All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very > sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very ve= ry > high. See the image: > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20= kHz.png > > So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? > > The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and = green > wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and > green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green an= d red > wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. > Helpful was this image from the web > http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg whic= h > shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to t= he > output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as > stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > =20 > --------------010909030502070500060606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TNVoYE008320 Hi Alan, Mike, Claudio,

Thanks for the help!

Am 30.06.2012 00:08, schrieb Alan Melia:
Stefan if they are really that old then they mar be deterioration of the elements.

Seems not to apply for the ones i have. :-)

See my results:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/198= 82028/MF/473%20kHz%20ZF%20Filter%201%20dB.png=A0=A0 showing < -1 dB ripple now! Excellent and well suitable for a MF RX. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19= 882028/MF/473%20kHz%20ZF%20Filter%2040%20dB.png

Arrangement: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19= 882028/MF/473%20kHz%20ZF%20filter%20Messung.JPG

Capacitive matching is very critical but the resistance may vary +-1 kOhm without dramatic changes...

I plan to build that filter for a 50 Ohm system. That should allow to use my IC706 in a future kite experiment on MF and use the TX antenna for receiving too...

73, Stefan/DK7FC



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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:26 PM
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters

4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betre= ff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum= : Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: = Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-h= eidelberg.de>
An: <= /th> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.htm=
l=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
htt=
p://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20=
473%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green=20
wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red=20
wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
h=
ttp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC
--------------010909030502070500060606-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D81E238000091; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl07K-0007Sw-8j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:01:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl07J-0007Sn-KO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:01:49 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sl07H-0006WA-Qx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:01:48 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai4FAMUi709cF/7u/2dsb2JhbABFoF4DlXSBCIITBQEBBQgBAQMQOQIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd+u0uLO4J+gxwDiBeFN5dpgl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,503,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="543594172" Received: from host-92-23-254-238.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.238]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 17:01:34 +0100 Message-ID: <001701cd56d9$9e02ad80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008501cd56d5$f5c084b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <0384C214D0514315B65DAD68864962C1@W1KW> <000b01cd56d8$84122a00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:01:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Geri There is someone extremely weak on the frequency but no good for a cw qso at present. Strange where the strong signal went to !! I just happened to be in the shack at the time when the stn tuned up and suddenly went QRT. mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6bb858db23df2b82c4f5a8cb512b45b1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: test 476.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CD56D9.9DCE3000" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:478088832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4fef231f7609 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CD56D9.9DCE3000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geri There is someone extremely weak on the frequency but no good for a cw = qso at present. Strange where the strong signal went to !! I just happened to be in the shack at the time when the stn tuned up and = suddenly went QRT. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:53 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: test 476.5 Geri I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST and some V's for a few = seconds was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it DK7FC De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: LF: Re: test 476.5 Mal, I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX 502. 73 Geri, DK8KW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: LF: test 476.5 Stn tst on 476.5 599=20 qsx 502=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CD56D9.9DCE3000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Geri
There is someone extremely weak on the frequency = but no=20 good for a cw qso at present. Strange where the strong signal went to=20 !!
I just happened to be in the shack at the time = when the=20 stn tuned up and suddenly went QRT.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 3:53=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: test = 476.5

Geri
I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST and = some V's=20 for a few seconds was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it=20 DK7FC
De mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Holger = 'Geri', DK8KW -=20 DI2BO - W1KW
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 3:47=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: test = 476.5

Mal,
 
I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, = QSX=20 502.
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, June 30, = 2012 5:35=20 PM
Subject: LF: test = 476.5

Stn tst on 476.5 599
qsx 502
de mal/g3kev
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK Mal  Thanks for the info. It is reasuring. However I have just built the driver stage as per Rik's Transv. and get a nice square wave from very rippling input, into the gate an IRF540 (50P ea incl p&p China) single ended arangement looks ok on the scope at the drain. I have 14v from the PSU not measured current yet. I get 110VP-P across a 50 Ohm load I think thats about 30watt's. The master osc is a Square wave from a DDS..... So far so good. I have a gate type keyer as per Stefans arangement .... real mix and match eh?. Removed connector from dummy load and connected to coupling link on my tuner not checked the volts across this yet. Counter goes nuts....... think its overload then look at DDS display it is dim. The ant current indicator is good, not calibrated but can tell there is RF current (0.7A) there (but on what QRG?). Connect back on to the dummy load every thing is OK again counter OK DDS OK. I normally use Xtal control in my other rigs either div /8 or Xtal mixer with no problem.  So I am getting RF back into the DDS or its PSU when the ant is connected ...... sorry about tail of woe.  Think I will use a rig as the master osc (better screened) and divide by four like Stefan's hopfully it will not get RF into it, pitty won't be direct read out. Story so far will let you know the ending soon!!! Oh hoping for just over 100Watts with 24v PSU (25% FET max rating). [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.92 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 08757f49bceb24af7a81ea2a82227211 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1507048413-2069354455-1340993161=:15959" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:510215168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m025.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4fedeee06c56 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1507048413-2069354455-1340993161=:15959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Mal=0A=C2=A0=0AThanks for the info. It is reasuring. However I have just= built the driver stage as per Rik's Transv. and get a nice square wave fro= m=C2=A0very rippling input, into the gate an IRF540 (50P ea=C2=A0incl p&p C= hina) single ended arangement looks ok on the scope at the drain. I have 14= v from the PSU not measured current yet. I get 110VP-P across a 50 Ohm load= I think thats about 30watt's. The master osc is a Square wave from a DDS..= ... So far so good. I have a gate type keyer as per Stefans arangement ....= real mix and match eh?.=0ARemoved connector from dummy load and connected = to coupling link on my tuner not checked the volts across this yet. Counter= goes nuts....... think its overload then look at DDS display it is dim. Th= e ant current indicator is good, not calibrated but can tell there=C2=A0is= =C2=A0RF current (0.7A)=C2=A0there (but on what QRG?). Connect back on to t= he dummy load every thing is OK again counter OK DDS OK. I normally use Xta= l control in my other rigs either div /8 or Xtal mixer with no problem.=0A= =C2=A0=0ASo I am getting RF back into the DDS or its PSU when the ant is co= nnected ...... sorry about tail of woe.=0A=C2=A0=0AThink I will use a rig a= s the master osc (better screened) and divide by four like Stefan's hopfull= y it will not get RF into it, pitty won't be direct read out.=0AStory so fa= r will let you know the ending soon!!! Oh hoping for just over 100Watts wit= h 24v PSU (25% FET max rating).=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>__= ______________________________=0A> From: mal hamilton =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 14:0= 7=0A>Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A>=EF= =BB=BF =0A>Pete =0A>I find for a class E PA or class C with series resonant= =0Acct at frequency of interest you do not need a LPF. =0A>To resonate the= PA use an Air core inductor and fixed =0Acapicator ie for 500 Khz use 5nF = in series with 20uH inductor. Adjust inductor =0Aslightly up/down in value = to resonate at exact freq of interest. Use an old LOPT =0Acore 8 turns Prim= 24 turns Sec. The wire does not have to be Litz. Prim 2.5mm =0Aelec wire a= nd Sec 1mm. I have used both litz and elec wire and find no =0Adifference. = =0A>A couple of hours should build this type of =0ATX =0A>=0A>g3kev =0A>=C2= =A0 =0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:31 =0AAM =0A>>S= ubject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Ri= k =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>Many thanks for your very useful information. I hope oth= ers find this as well. =0A>>Yes I said in an earlier mail what the PA and = driver would cost from E-bay (my supplier of choice... :o)) but at least t= hey are obtainable. =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>The current hold are=C2=A0the Ferrite= s or the Iron Dust toriods. This is the usual problem because one black ir= on ring looks very much like another. Once you have it in your hands you c= an do a test. What I do is to put a few turns on an unknown core and measu= re the inductance then compare the results with the theoretical value obta= ined from a range of cores with the same dimensions using "Mini Core" SW.= =C2=A0At the moment I have a source for the T1 core but not the choke. And = surprisingly I can't find the T80-2s they were every where once upon a tim= e. Anyway I do have a variety of cores that will probably do for the O/P= =C2=A0filtre. One day I will find a design I=C2=A0 can kit perfectly. =0A>= >=C2=A0 =0A>>I like your transverter, I am getting torn between projects ri= ght now. Q6 / Q7 driver as you say can be reproduced for each FET gate che= aply in fact=C2=A0I have the parts! =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>I will now crawl into= my cave and start to build. Thanks to you and Stefan. =0A>>=0A>>73 es GL = Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>________________________________=0A>>From:= Rik Strobbe =0A>>To: "rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org" =0A>>Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 8= :49=0A>>Subject: RE: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A>>=C2=A0 = =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hello=C2=A0Pete, =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>I=C2=A0assume=C2=A0that t= he more=C2=A0exotic=C2=A0parts are the power=C2=A0FET (IRFZ48N) and the=C2= =A0driver IC (ICL7667). =0A>>The=C2=A0IRFZ48N is a=C2=A055V /=C2=A064A / 0= .014 Ohm device. For a=C2=A0first=C2=A0try=C2=A0you=C2=A0could=C2=A0replac= e=C2=A0it=C2=A0by=C2=A0far more=C2=A0common=C2=A0IRF460=C2=A0that is=C2=A01= 00V /=C2=A028A / 0.06 Ohm. =0A>>A bit of=C2=A0reverse engineering: Stefan= =C2=A0states=C2=A050W output at 80% efficiency =3D=C2=A062.5W input =3D=C2= =A05.2A at 12V. =0A>>So=C2=A0with a=C2=A028A=C2=A0device=C2=A0you are=C2=A0= on the safe side. =0A>>The=C2=A0larger Ron (0.06 Ohm=C2=A0vs 0.014 Ohm)=C2= =A0will (in theory)=C2=A0reduce the efficiency.=C2=A0But=C2=A05.2A in 0.014= Ohm is=C2=A0only=C2=A0about=C2=A00.4W loss (for a IRFZ48N). For a=C2=A0IR= F460=C2=A0it is=C2=A05.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D=C2=A01.6W loss. =0A>>So=C2=A0the= =C2=A0losses (12.5W) are=C2=A0probably more=C2=A0due to the non perfect=C2= =A0switching=C2=A0than=C2=A0due to the Ron of the FETs. =0A>>An=C2=A0altern= ative=C2=A0for the=C2=A0ICL7667 is a=C2=A0TC4426=C2=A0or a=C2=A0homebrew= =C2=A0driver (see http://www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transve= rter_full.gif/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif). =0A>>=C2= =A0 =0A>>73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0ON7YD - OR7T =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>=0A>>___________= _____________________=0A>> =0A>>Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk]=0A>>Ve= rzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 20:41=0A>>Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g=0A>>Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A>>=0A>> = =0A>>Hi Stefan =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>I like this and would like to make to make = it. I so far have tracked down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of s= o many construction projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are = Kits........ no chance of that I suppose? =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>There will be t= hose who tell me its easy to get the bits=C2=A0but unless you work for a c= ompany that uses this stuff it can not be slipped through the "Purchasing"= =C2=A0it becomes a positive stop!! =0A>>Like the Litz I just put that in o= ne of our big outfits with min orders and it said it had over one hundred = thousand Litz and promptly collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T1= ) wow and its not a min order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated fr= om 0.125 Cu/En?=C2=A0 Hmm it's plaited ? =0A>>Wima caps are available from= Maplin haven't checked in depth but they usually are. =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>I = like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. by = four. =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>Generally=C2=A0I buy my power FETs by the hand full= off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never min= d the quality but feel the width... principle)=C2=A0and the drivers TC ran= ge for slightly more. =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>I'll keep searching for a bit but i= f anyone has a kitting list (UK source) may be they could publish it?=C2= =A0 =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but i= n context it is new and worth while thanks!=0A>> =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>________________________________=0A>>From: Stefa= n Sch=C3=A4fer =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 16:53=0A>>Subject: Re:= LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Hi MF, =0A>>=0A>>L= ate at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com= /u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png=C2=A0 (picture of prototype https://= dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG)=0A>>= =0A>>Most =0A of the parts are not critical. =0A>>=0A>>The ferrite cores a= re the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are in the image. But you m= ay use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the primary and secondary numbe= r of turns.=0A>>=0A>>There are many =0A alternatives, also to the FETs. In= stead of the IRZF48N you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resist= ance but a higher input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try= to many parts. Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a co= mpromise between low on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Sour= ce voltage should be 55V for a 12V supply.=0A>>=0A>>Instead of RF litz wire= (i use this one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D5= 7206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire o= r better 5x0.4mm or what you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or= less.=0A>>=0A>>The overall =0A dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10= cm x 3cm, so it is quite compact and =0A since it runs from a 12V battery = you can use it for /p tests. Also you can of =0A course use more than 2 po= wer steps by using a multi step switch and more taps.=0A>>=0A>>A =0A DDS s= ignal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal coming from a = =0A HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the peak inp= ut =0A voltage exceeds 5 Vp.=0A>>=0A>>73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A>>=0A>>PS: Yes, i= t =0A is nothing new and someone has done it before!=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Am =0A 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT: =0A>>Hi again Stefa= n =0A>>>=C2=A0 =0A>>>The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.........= . :@(( =0A>>>=0A>>>Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that= could be stranded up to make a synth? =0A>>>=0A>>>=C2=A0 =0A>>>73 es GL P= ete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>>=0A>>>From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=0A>>>To: m= ailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>= >>Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22=0A>>>Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 k= Hz PA running at 12 VDC=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Hi Stefan =0A>>>http://www.ebay.co= .uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/160818253496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Elec= trical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8 =0A>>>Just over =C2=A35= a pop! =0A>>>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSF= ET-DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Di= tem256f326077 =0A>>>Just over =C2=A36 a pop! =0A>>>But what is the =E2=80= =9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0) =0A>>>= Chees Pete FMT =0A>>>=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 mailto:j= pm.f1afj@online.fr=0A>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>Sent: Thursd= ay, 28 June 2012, 9:42=0A>>>Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running a= t 12 VDC=0A>>> =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Hello Stephan ,=0A>>>Me too =0A>>>73=C2=A0= , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ=C2=A0 =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Le 28/06/2012 10:3= 6, M0FMT a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:=0A>>> =0A>>>Hi Stephan =0A>>>>=0A>>>>Me Too= =0A>>>>=0A>>>> =0A>>>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>>>=0A>>>>From: "PA1SDB= , Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org=0A>>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= >>>>Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12=0A>>>>Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz= PA running at 12 VDC=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>> =0A>>>>like =0A>>>>=0A>>>>----- = Original Message ----- =0A>>>>>From: Rik Strobbe =0A>>>>>To: rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org =0A>>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM =0A>>>>>Su= bject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =0A>>>>>=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>>If=C2= =A0someone is=C2=A0interested i=C2=A0may=C2=A0convert the circuit=C2=A0fr= om=C2=A0my=C2=A0mind=C2=A0into a schematic as a=C2=A0png file. =0A>>>>>=0A= >>>>>Always=C2=A0interested ;-) =0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0ON7YD - = OR7T=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>=0A>= > =0A>=0A> --1507048413-2069354455-1340993161=:15959 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK Mal
=
 
Thanks for the info. It is reasuri= ng. However I have just built the driver stage as per Rik's Transv. and get= a nice square wave from very rippling input, into the gate an IRF540 = (50P ea incl p&p China) single ended arangement looks= ok on the scope at the drain. I have 14v from the PSU not measured current= yet. I get 110VP-P across a 50 Ohm load I think thats about 30watt's. The = master osc is a Square wave from a DDS..... So far so good. I have a gate t= ype keyer as per Stefans arangement .... real mix and match eh?.
Removed connector from dummy load and connected to coupling li= nk on my tuner not checked the volts across this yet. Counter goes nuts....= ... think its overload then look at DDS display it is dim. The ant current indicator is good, not calibrated but can tell there is RF current (0.7A) there (but on what QRG?). Connect back = on to the dummy load every thing is OK again counter OK DDS OK. I normally = use Xtal control in my other rigs either div /8 or Xtal mixer with no probl= em.
 
So I am getting RF= back into the DDS or its PSU when the ant is connected ...... sorry about = tail of woe.
 
Think I w= ill use a rig as the master osc (better screened) and divide by four like S= tefan's hopfully it will not get RF into it, pitty won't be direct read out= .
Story so far will let you know the ending soo= n!!! Oh hoping for just over 100Watts with 24v PSU (25% FET max rating).
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Sent: Frida= y, 29 June 2012, 14:07
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
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=0A
Pete
=0A
I find for a class= E PA or class C with series resonant =0Acct at frequency of interest you d= o not need a LPF.
=0A
To resonate the = PA use an Air core inductor and fixed =0Acapicator ie for 500 Khz use 5nF i= n series with 20uH inductor. Adjust inductor =0Aslightly up/down in value t= o resonate at exact freq of interest. Use an old LOPT =0Acore 8 turns Prim = 24 turns Sec. The wire does not have to be Litz. Prim 2.5mm =0Aelec wire an= d Sec 1mm. I have used both litz and elec wire and find no =0Adifference.
=0A
A couple of hours should build this= type of =0ATX
=0A
 
=0A
g3kev
=0A
 
=0A
=  
=0A
=0A
----- Original Message -----
=0A
From: =0A M0FMT
=0A =0A
Sent: = Friday, June 29, 2012 11:31 =0AAM
=0A
Subject: Re: = LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA =0A running at 12 VDC
=0A

=0A =
=0A
Hi Rik
=0A
 
=0A
Ma= ny thanks for your very useful information. I hope others find =0A this as= well.
=0A
Yes I said in an earlier mail what the P= A and driver would cost =0A from E-bay (my supplier of choice... :o)) but = at least they are =0A obtainable.
=0A
 = ;
=0A
The current hold are the Ferrites or the Iron D= ust toriods. =0A This is the usual problem because one black iron ring loo= ks very much like =0A another. Once you have it in your hands you can do a= test. What I do is to put =0A a few turns on an unknown core and measure = the inductance then compare the =0A results with the theoretical value obt= ained from a range of cores with the =0A same dimensions using "Mini Core"= SW. At the moment I have a sour= ce for the T1 core but not the choke. And surprisingly =0A I can't f= ind the T80-2s they were every where once upon a time. Anyway I do =0A hav= e a variety of cores that will probably do for the O/P filtre. One day= =0A I will find a design I  can kit perfectly.
=0A  
=0A
I like your transverter, I am get= ting torn between projects right =0A now. Q6 / Q7 driver as you say can be= reproduced for each FET gate cheaply in =0A fact I have the parts!
=0A
 
=0A
I will now crawl in= to my cave and start to build. Thanks to you and =0A Stefan.
=0A  
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
=0A =
=0A
=0A=
From: Rik =0A = Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =0A <rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, =0A 8:49
Subject: RE: LF: Re: RE: =0A 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=
 

=0A =0A
=0A =0A=0A <= div>=0A
=0A
Hello Pete,
=0A
 
=0A I assume tha= t the more exotic parts are the =0A p= ower FET (IRFZ48N) and the driver IC = =0A (ICL7667).
=0A
The IRFZ48N is a = 55V / 64A / 0.014 Ohm =0A device. For a&nb= sp;first try you could replace = ;it by=  far =0A more common IRF460&= nbsp;that is 100V / 28A / 0.06 =0A Oh= m.
=0A
A bit of reverse =0A engineering: Stefan states 50W output at 80%= efficiency =3D 62.5W input =3D = ;5.2A at 12V.
=0A
So with= a 28A device you are on the safe side.
=0A
The larger Ron (0.06 =0A Ohm vs 0.014 Ohm) will (in theory) reduce<= /a> the efficiency. But 5.2A in 0.014 Ohm =0A is only about 0.4= W loss (for= a IRFZ48N). For a IRF460 it is&nb= sp;5.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D 1.6W =0A loss.
=0A
So the&nb= sp;losses (12.5W) are probably =0A more&nb= sp;due to the non perfect switching<= a href=3D"" rel=3D"nofollow"> than due to the Ron of the FETs.
=0A
An alternative for th= e ICL7667 is =0A a TC4426 or =0A= a homebrew driver (see http://www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/= 500khz_transverter_full.gif/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_= full.gif).
=0A
 
= =0A
73, Rik  ON7YD - =0A OR7T
=0A <= div> 
=0A
=0A
=0A Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org =0A [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT =0A [m0fmt= @yahoo.co.uk]
Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 =0A 20:41
= Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: =0A Re:= RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

=0A
=0A =
=0A
=0A =
Hi Stefan
=0A
&= nbsp;
=0A
I like this and would like to m= ake to make it. I so =0A far have tracked down most bits but as usual the = Unobtainium<= /span> of so many construction projects =0A that fall at the last hurdle u= nless they are Kits........ no chance of that I =0A suppose?=
=0A
 
=0A
= There will be those who tell me its easy to get the = =0A bits but unless you work for a company that uses this stuff it ca= n not be =0A slipped through the "Purchasing" it becomes a positive s= top!! =0A
=0A
Like the Litz I = just put that in one of our big =0A outfits with min orders and it said it= had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly =0A collapsed. But they have =0A one of the toroids (= T1) wow and its not a min order =0A either double wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 =0A Cu/E= n?  Hmm= =0A it's plaited ?
=0A
Wima<= /span> caps are available from Maplin haven't checked =0A in depth but they usu= ally are.
=0A
 
=0A
I like the idea of using a DD= S or Transceiver a= s a master = osc source div. by =0A four.
=0A
 
=0A
Ge= nerally I buy my power FETs by the hand full =0A off E-bay they may not b= e ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the =0A quality but feel the = width... principle) and the drivers TC range for =0A slightly more.
=0A
 
=0A
<= font size=3D"3">I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting = =0A list (UK source) may be they could publish it? 
=0A =
 
=0A
And tha= nks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in =0A context it is new and= worth while thanks!
=0A
73 es GL Pete M= 0FMT IO91UX=
=0A
=0A
=0A
  =0A
From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer =0A <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de>
To: rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sent= : Thursday, 28 June =0A 2012, 16:53
Subject: Re: LF: =0A Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running a= t 12 VDC

=0A
=0A
Hi MF, =0A
Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dro= pbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png  =0A (picture of pr= ototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%= 20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG)

Most =0A of the parts are not crit= ical.

The ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 =0A material. De= tails are in the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively =0A and d= ouble the primary and secondary number of turns.

There are many =0A = alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N you may try a =0A IRF1405. Thi= s =0A one has a lower on-resistance but a higher input capacity. Maybe it = works even =0A better, i didn't try to many parts. Switching times are not= critical. So you =0A need to find a compromise between low on resistance = and input capacity while =0A the Drain-Source voltage should be 55V for a = 12V supply.

Instead of RF =0A litz wire (i =0A use this one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57= 206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30 =0A ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. C= u wire or better 5x0.4mm or what you =0A have. It just affects the efficie= ncy, more or less.

The overall =0A dimensions of this prototype are= 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is quite compact and =0A since it runs from a 12= V battery you can use it for /p tests. Also you can of =0A course use more= than 2 power steps by using a multi step switch and more taps.

A =0A = DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal coming fr= om a =0A HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the pea= k input =0A voltage exceeds 5 Vp.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Yes, it =0A is= nothing new and someone has done it before!






Am = =0A 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT: =0A
=0A =0A
Hi again Stefan
=0A
 
=0A The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg =0A reel.......... :@((
=0A
 
=0A
Do you create your own I have = 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be =0A stranded up to make a synth?
= =0A

 
=0A
73 es GL =0A Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A =
=0A
=0A
From: M0FMT mailto:m0= fmt@yahoo.co.uk
To:= mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
<= b>Sent: Thursday, 28 June =0A= 2012, 10:22
Subject: Re: =0A LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

=0A =
=0A
=0A
=0A
Hi Stefan
=0A =0A
Just over =C2=A35 a po= p!
=0A =0A
Just over = =C2=A36 a pop!
=0A
But what is the= =E2=80=9CU= nobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?   =0A =E2=80= =A6=E2=80=A6 ;0)
=0A
=0A
Chees Pete= FMT
=0A
   From:<= /b> Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sent: Thursday, 28 June =0A 2012, 9:42
Subject: Re: LF: =0A Re: RE: 4= 72 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
=0A
=0A
=0A <= div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-siz= e: 12pt;">
=0A
=0A
Hello Stephan ,Me too
73  , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ  =0A



=0A =
Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a = =0A =C3=A9crit :
=0A
=0A =
=0A Hi Stephan
= =0A
 
=0A
Me Too

=0A
7= 3 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sent: Thursday, 28 June =0A 2012, 9:12
Subject: LF: =0A Re: RE: 47= 2 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

=0A
=0A =0A=0A
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like
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=0A
=0A
----- =0A Original Message ----- =
=0A
From: = =0A Rik Strobbe
=0A =0A
Sent: =0A Thursday, Ju= ne 28, 2012 6:35 AM
=0A
Subject: =0A L= F: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
=0A

=0A =
If someone is&nb= sp;interested =0A i may convert the =0A circuit&nbs= p;from my mind into a schematic as a png =0A fil= e.
=0A
 
=0A
Always interested ;-)
=0A  
=0A
73, Rik&nbs= p; ON7YD - =0A OR7T









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<= /div> --1507048413-2069354455-1340993161=:15959-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BF1FF380000B8; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sar7Y-00080c-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:24:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sar7Y-00080T-Fb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:24:08 +0100 Received: from nm21-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.205]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sar7W-0006Fw-P5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:24:07 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.234] by nm21.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 16:24:04 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 16:24:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 16:24:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 914096.20484.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 34411 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2012 16:24:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=aotTMvnKD3yTcYQzv/36P5XqZ4NTFXoATTi2tSiyAx3wqKjVDRWtMEkOTvVKig77P+seRF3J8NAH2ppMUafbVAyC1z6GOA94pW+0kKVxpzG1la3/aSuqbzgr10MKxVIlNX54DNCbR5fE8QnNoc4FshqFfZI+67O0JxkQattrtco= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1338654244; bh=RTSZkxXh9017YI1NCV1VOZsC142p2zZ8i5Vy6hr6T2g=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=zV4MpIW24HVQCd93Vka7Hpnr3cqrFnBUXP+7gOw/TJoHzDbc0t5KcD54DxwCJLBQ3udsDK8jcCN8wUUlDcyOGwjyeZuu30VaM/GCo9ZJ8fU73eWy4yIY4y04GK+wrbwdywDaAGCl0/4SWYbGl3/PBYMdLcf9/55w5/tPms7MKe4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: TZfsGasVM1niR2HME_PLz_dgA8bcYlU_xKSPidRPg8ocnUt Q28FL3Zk6omUOKYPdtl2IPh5PQWOJ8L6x86vPNGpbR5cRkE77MQ0F.myBdqO 0DUUs4QpioFx2xg8cP8DpdHZPQdkXMJQluPh1KECn1vi7jpfdcgfsRa6ZIgw .9Ve2oyDT92diYTw28WOQYSg.dV6rept0Co8lEDfSXc7CHsIz_BLnxylFggJ w0Qhe4kCCi8fhihi8R9PKGU13iyT0vNEr.F08Q7qP7fR7cOadBkFQZBc38.S .ySVbkuONdTErYMofmCQm4cyp6D8MpdwniKvt1xtBBLrzRQ3rnCsLv4Joba2 x3XfzhUfxryU0dsHKqzSMh8WZiu5uT37muS6N7W2e_hX_MJJUlVT5soEckp6 fCCno53kU6_syJAKKSZabBaMyJd8YvsMwVLcX_.prjea0gA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: TSPLEfqswBCkXAu6R8U.gZB4K6usTmjOLOcEEoLxraDeRaJTpd5b1BNNnSoo Received: from DennisPC (dennis.easterling@86.176.191.173 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jun 2012 16:24:03 +0000 GMT Message-ID: From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:24:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete Been busy and did not read your emails until it was too late, but judging by reports it looks good, though pity about PC crash. It seems that you sorted out the opera keying, I wonder what was wrong before? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.108.205 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e4d79cc1e5beb0f7c63f6aa3ce129e10 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01CD40DC.1ECFA580" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486732640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d302.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824fca3e652bf0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01CD40DC.1ECFA580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete Been busy and did not read your emails until it was too late, but = judging by reports it looks good, though pity about PC crash. It seems = that you sorted out the opera keying, I wonder what was wrong before? 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:21 AM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01CD40DC.1ECFA580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Pete
 
Been busy and did not read your emails = until it was=20 too late, but judging by reports it looks good, though pity about PC=20 crash.   It seems that you sorted out the opera keying, I = wonder what=20 was wrong before?
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 = 11:21=20 AM
Subject: LF: beacon on = 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01CD40DC.1ECFA580-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 57C2B3800009A; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfxMh-00084l-B3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:04:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfxMg-00084c-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:04:50 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfxMd-00039J-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:04:49 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P64l1j0024U6hVe0364l4w; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:04:46 +0200 Message-ID: <1728F969CC6A46E9B1579E8818B344EB@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8146402EAAE443729F66C932F047B78D@AGB> <4FDCC7A4.6080608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDCC7A4.6080608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:04:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK Stefan, well all you need is to send carrier on ( 477KHz + 1700 Hz) = 478.700 KHz , use Opera set to 500KHz OP4 mode Tx and after 4 mins , you will have a s/n report from all tuned to 477 KHz : ) 17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: ed9dcf4545ec97a65e50af1597e81212 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011B_01CD4BF2.E3A320A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459169024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4fdccaf95f23 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011B_01CD4BF2.E3A320A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Stefan, well all you need is to send carrier on ( 477KHz + 1700 Hz) = =3D 478.700 KHz , use Opera set to 500KHz OP4 mode Tx and = after 4 mins , you will have a s/n report from all tuned to 477 = KHz : ) 17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB =20 G.. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now, = works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW. Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First = tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals. = It's slowly starting here now. I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... I = still have no idea about MF propagation... Exciting! :-) 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham:=20 Ok Stefan ,=20 What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the = RX to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly = into io83lk hihi 73 -G..=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,=20 Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to = extend the range... Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:=20 Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range = .... ! Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise = .should work ?=20 G..=20 http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ ------=_NextPart_000_011B_01CD4BF2.E3A320A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK  Stefan,
 
well   all  you  need  is to  =20 send  carrier  on   ( 477KHz  + 1700 Hz)  = =3D=20    478.700 KHz  , use  Opera  set to  = 500KHz=20   OP4  mode Tx   and  after  4 mins ,  you = will  have  a  s/n report  from  all  = tuned=20 to  477 KHz  : )
 

17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB  

 
G..
 

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key = input=20 now, works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit=20 CW.
Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. = First=20 tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals. = It's=20 slowly starting here now.
I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but = saw/heared=20 nothing in Delft... I still have no idea about MF = propagation...
Exciting!=20 :-)

73, Stefan

Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham:=20
Ok Stefan ,
 
What mode  are  sending  ? opera ?  If  = so =20 then   I will   set the  RX to  = 477 =20 as  well  , Im sure  some  signal  will  = leak   directly into  io83lk  hihi
 
73 -G..

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,

Most useful = link! I=20 forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the=20 range...

Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or = so.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:=20
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the =20 Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  = 477  via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  = 500/477  ,=20 but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/
<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_011B_01CD4BF2.E3A320A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 48D4138000092; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdmff-0004V5-RE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:15:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdmff-0004Uw-6y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:15:27 +0100 Received: from relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net ([217.69.40.75] helo=uk1rly2283.eechost.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sdmfd-00016L-LW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:15:26 +0100 Received: from [88.151.27.235] (helo=Shack) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SdmbK-0008GC-Ev for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:10:58 +0100 Message-ID: <57131D54FA1241D8BBE53212C31F7BF0@Shack> From: "Tony" To: References: <004201cd4730$cc020860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <004201cd4730$cc020860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:15:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Auth-Info: 3810@permanet.ie (login) X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 217.69.40.75 (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net) used invalid HELO/EHLO uk1rly2283.eechost.net - verification failed X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 70% Yahoo 10% Black Sheep 19% Continue with both No idea who the other 1% is ;-) Tony, EI8JK [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [217.69.40.75 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (tonybaldwin[at]yahoo.com) 1.0 FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 'From' yahoo.com does not match 'Received' headers 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f1498eebf16822c5ea85527a90413169 Subject: LF: Re: Votes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CD4734.FF237E00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438224288:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fd4e47b789d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CD4734.FF237E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 70% Yahoo 10% Black Sheep 19% Continue with both No idea who the other 1% is ;-) Tony, EI8JK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM Subject: LF: Votes Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many = voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to = go. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CD4734.FF237E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
70% Yahoo
10% Black Sheep
19% Continue with both
 
No idea who the other 1% is = ;-)
 
Tony, EI8JK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 5:45 PM
Subject: LF: Votes

Well
Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo = group. Out of=20 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo = was the=20 way to go.
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CD4734.FF237E00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 90F1E3800015D; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaYCp-0003av-84 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:12:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaYCo-0003am-DN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:12:18 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaYCl-00035n-OU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:12:17 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q51KCESg015810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:12:14 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q51KCDJP010456 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:12:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4FC921C8.9010705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:10:48 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7F143.7080106@psk31.plus.com> <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> In-Reply-To: <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Peter, I'm not sure if there are new versions that do the job in one instance. But normally you need the sample rate detector in each SL instance separately. What version are you using? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: Re: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452444672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fc9227c3009 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Peter, I'm not sure if there are new versions that do the job in one instance. But normally you need the sample rate detector in each SL instance separately. What version are you using? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 01.06.2012 20:50, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hello... > > I was wondering the following: > > I have here 4x Spectrum Lab task running at one PC to serve my SUB9KHz > grabber page at www.qsl.net/pa1sdb > I use that Sampling Rate detector in all 4 Spectrum Lab tasks. > Is that OK, or need I only one Sampling Rate detector that callibrates > the other 3 tasks to ? > (one master - 3 clients without that SR cal active) > > 73's Peter - PA1SDB > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B051738000087; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 04:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHQB-0005gl-Kz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:53:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHQB-0005gc-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:53:23 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdHQ8-0003CF-Eg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:53:22 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews07.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.174]) by cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:53:20 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.18]) by cpsps-ews07.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:53:20 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:53:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD30EFF.9070703@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:53:19 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> <4FD1146A.4050602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD1146A.4050602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2012 08:53:19.0872 (UTC) FILETIME=[517C7800:01CD461D] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, Yep, been R/O for 15yrs. About the PY/EU QSO to make things worse :-) In the 80's PCH (Scheveningenradio) had limited MF TOR-channels, as an experiment they opened a duplex 425/512kHz TOR channel. At that time I was working on a "offshore construction vessel" in Campos bay. One evening 500kHz was again filled with EU noise. As an experiment I started up the STB75 (TOR system) had a beautiful link no phasing errors. Cleared a lot of traffic on that channel. Mostly these condition repeats itself a couple consecutive days and last several hours. TX power about 800W into a DUK, which is a fattened vertical 16m. Sea is very favourable for MF. As I explained the QRN in some areas is extremely high. This is also one of the reasons PY doesn't carry Navtex on MF, but on 4MHz. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 7ab87d4d3ea1d9dcb73a78e83fe4d608 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461714176:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fd30f3604b1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, Yep, been R/O for 15yrs. About the PY/EU QSO to make things worse :-) In the 80's PCH (Scheveningenradio) had limited MF TOR-channels, as an experiment they opened a duplex 425/512kHz TOR channel. At that time I was working on a "offshore construction vessel" in Campos bay. One evening 500kHz was again filled with EU noise. As an experiment I started up the STB75 (TOR system) had a beautiful link no phasing errors. Cleared a lot of traffic on that channel. Mostly these condition repeats itself a couple consecutive days and last several hours. TX power about 800W into a DUK, which is a fattened vertical 16m. Sea is very favourable for MF. As I explained the QRN in some areas is extremely high. This is also one of the reasons PY doesn't carry Navtex on MF, but on 4MHz. BTW monitoring Navtex is good to see if there is any condition on MF. I can recommend YAND for this purpose which stores all reception data has filters and graphics to see how conditions are And yes it can also receive Navtex messages. Singapore, Indonesia is a complete hell of static. One ever wondered that QSO's could take place before the discovery of shortwave. Just an impression how Dutch tried to by-pass the Marconi monopoly, the 2400kW VLF sparktransmitter which was constructed in the colony Indonesia. http://www.cdvandt.org/malabar_pictures.htm After finishing this project , some "hamradio" made a QSO with only a few Watts on shortwave. The project was a complete waste of money. Jan/pa3abk On 7-6-2012 22:51, Stefan Schfer wrote: > Hi Jan, > > Thanks for the email, most interesting! So i'm really looking forward > to such special condx! Do i understand you correctly, you have had a > 2-way QSO on 500 kHz with a PY station? Sounds as magic as 50 MHz or so. > Ah, when i read to the end to your mail it rather sounds as if you > have been working as the radio operator on a ship? > I have an idea: Tell it to me in a loooooooong MF CW QSO, rag chewing > as some say... :-) > > Also thanks for the IARU link. What i find interesting is the comment > from TF2JB. I wonder if TF3HZ knows him? Maybe a good adress to ask > for common projects with Iceland below 1 MHz. > > 73, Stefan > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BB3D13800008D; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 07:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfrFA-0005dY-My for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:32:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfrFA-0005dP-1e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:32:40 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfrF8-0001an-CD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:32:38 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d64 with ME id NzYZ1j0074U6hVe03zYZCa; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:32:36 +0200 Message-ID: <6127C0D605D3463B803A5D57D87FEC56@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> <1339767393.38173.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1339767393.38173.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:32:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Up to now , 477 is the only frequency on offer ? G. From: M0FMT Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 11963a33d604c33786d8f1de94ce267f Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD4BBC.1A31F970" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:416500448:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fdc6f32614f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD4BBC.1A31F970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Up to now , 477 is the only frequency on offer ? G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? I'd go with that Albert. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Albert To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD4BBC.1A31F970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Up to now , 477 is the  only  frequency   on = offer=20 ?
 
G.

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

I'd go with that Albert.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Albert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, 15 = June 2012,=20 10:54
Subject: Re: = LF: RE: New=20 Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

G,

Just to = start the=20 discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz.

73,=20 Albert





------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD4BBC.1A31F970-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 284E738000097; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 08:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb9yL-0006vO-Ns for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:31:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb9yL-0006vF-6m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:31:53 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb9yJ-0001Aj-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:31:52 +0100 Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so1682879wib.10 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kbrfc2BOfWHJgifnrXY+EsAjGj/yQrov53qJjC/MxYE=; b=vHhkwZKxBuDpXeOOotSIxj667HWEr5+djrO8vSX6LwREzBVG/VQ59B1hxWvCNdm+cH rdNsZ/9UzDnHQyZrOyXiq7+WCa5MedMv5kZvIl8fj8//RKsVpixpkyhzvazmV4b6r7n8 vMNewkrpNcJxUOBADou0HGQByU4t9bDSZDasnIygBT1kwKaYF8OIIcWvwyDWEEYAHoch es6uCc3Brkqu76I73O88ZvUH7hZevEG6OAZ1mW9qg3du7GUuCw+Y4KlL8xyZV1D46z9f HQSdWRU09j7SdJCe+2pLMjqXB/OlKjueeg41q3e2MyOFDExtENPJA4Av2TxJZO8EcM46 1J6w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.212.234 with SMTP id y84mr8015272weo.81.1338726706808; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 05:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.92.133 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 05:31:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCB4FAE.5070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCB4FAE.5070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:31:46 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about. Everything this reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be achieved with the new Yahoo Group. Please, support it. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ce0e5a4ae990e5a63db3ab7aea21191b Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d59009cf86b404c19099b5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461249536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m019.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fcb596d5459 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0016e6d59009cf86b404c19099b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about. Everything this reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be achieved with the new Yahoo Group. Please, support it. 73s Roger G3XBM On 3 June 2012 12:51, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > > > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ --0016e6d59009cf86b404c19099b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan,

Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about. E= verything this reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be achieved with the n= ew Yahoo Group.

Please, support it.

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 3 June 2012 12:51, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote= :





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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://ww= w.g3xbm.co.uk
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(VPS 120621-1, 21/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Grahan .mmmmm 10 feet?? that could reduce your effective height to 10feet makingi it 6dB (maybe not quite that bad) worse than the 40 foot pole on its own. The only plus point would be if that "radial" gives you a substantial reduction in ground loss.....which I doubt is the case. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.77 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD5015.726947D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:280510400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d005.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fe3bb544d04 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD5015.726947D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Grahan .mmmmm 10 feet?? that could reduce your effective height to = 10feet makingi it 6dB (maybe not quite that bad) worse than the 40 foot = pole on its own. The only plus point would be if that "radial" gives you = a substantial reduction in ground loss.....which I doubt is the case.=20 Seriously you do need to measure it to get the best out of a difficult = situation.......no amount of urban myth will give the right answer. = Remember higher "aerial current" is no use if its going straight to = ground (like a shunt cap across the feed point) and not traversing the = radiation resistance. You want as much current as possible to flow = though the radiation resistance (the vertical bit connected to the feed = point) then you want a big cap (=3Dlow impedance) from the top of the = loading coil to earth for the "return current" (low loss resistance) = Not a very technical way of describing it :-)) even capacitance from = the active pole to ground gives some loss....the inductive top load = reduces that by reducing the voltage on that section. Alan ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD5015.726947D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Grahan .mmmmm 10 feet?? that could = reduce your=20 effective height to 10feet makingi it 6dB (maybe not quite that = bad) worse=20 than the 40 foot pole on its own. The only plus point would be if that = "radial"=20 gives you a substantial reduction in ground loss.....which I doubt is = the case.=20
 
Seriously you do need to measure it to = get the best=20 out of a difficult situation.......no amount of urban myth will give the = right=20 answer. Remember higher "aerial current" is no use if its going straight = to=20 ground (like a shunt cap across the feed point) and not traversing the = radiation=20 resistance. You want as much current as possible to flow though the = radiation resistance (the vertical bit connected to the feed point) then = you=20 want a big cap (=3Dlow impedance) from the top of the loading coil =  to earth=20 for the "return current" (low loss resistance)  Not a very = technical way of=20 describing it :-))  even capacitance from the active pole to ground = gives=20 some loss....the inductive top load reduces that by reducing the voltage = on that=20 section.
 
Alan
 
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Content preview: tnx fer report om ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Eberhard v.Wedelstädt"" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: Re: LF: 472khz > hi Nils, > > i hear you > > audible up to good audible > > > 73, Eberhard, DL3ZID > [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.41.46.226 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 0b2d339ae1d48966556dfb6ad64e2bce Subject: Re: LF: 472khz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, I agree. Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF Today' and probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably links to this site from others which will be around for years. Vy 73 all, Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.207 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:416294400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d008.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fcb45186894 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Mal, I agree. Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF Today' and probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably links to this site from others which will be around for years. Vy 73 all, Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status > John > Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious > problems > with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small attachments and > for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked well this > has been pointed out by others. > I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get more > adverts that I do not need. > Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo > de mal/g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pws" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM > Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status > > >> To John, G3WKL, >> >> Please do NOT shut down this reflector. >> >> 1. It's active in positive sense. >> >> 2. There are too many hams here who say >> "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven >> Brave New World were each posting will be >> "googleable" for ever. Me too. >> >> That's the reason I unsubscribed from >> some Yapoo-Groups recently. >> >> 73 Peter, df3lp >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E972D38000095; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiUjr-0002JA-Ff for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:07:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiUjq-0002J1-P7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:07:14 +0100 Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiUjn-0006mZ-UB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:07:13 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2012 18:07:11 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.123] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2012 18:07:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2012 18:07:11 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.com Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 112853.68606.bm@omp1032.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 4628 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2012 18:07:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1340474830; bh=zCuRCuoM5PFRp1aFTrluJtopdYavoMST/C7OT9Qz53o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FYK12vixYDyblYQI/IKh85Eat32PMcHfdCb+l+aIXGhMyPy4imlIEQeFtkD80h/iQ2atuBzdMSmpqlxYMurtOBg+0fvQ7iwK+DIof+dgcsVZ5/vFl2iT8p9aVH6BSJrQaDpziWNl21/7wH9g2Usb3te8G6XegAD9o4bGSlnpiGI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Al8Aw4uRtJoqDAc4GYx9f2bxc45d8Pn8MvFlS/JIPKdPPH3y2Kk1A+xEoC7TEtIuS5+tPyr/GjTSJK/N8bWa/Obu5bYXqy8Q3QdG8t1hggbVWIbnrvLMllbhFDEMEWE0hOUELKyBds1Ml/PwPo6jh3slUs0BTRO5HjBO0Vv/g/Y=; X-YMail-OSG: aXBOHMQVM1mJcDfLBp28r1hWijKB69tgYxpz8VSd0AbY1jY k7zyvzYcfALE28c4X1O2xt_M75MHYJgBSAvvUy.GgST4q3tS3hZS.TTVOlRl uT_e7Wn6BxwrKFNWZqmRZZ_84mBFpBPj_BEqHhWG7fdsjNzTbFXmBHEHdnmw onO3xlyS2ogD4IcQyOEBZ00Q2beZUC8xm9iTaPTkq2Fiqp_WFj7CTvqiKXvM gfxUoc51fXHXEGatRPU_cQe..IyLssomVbiAT_TOaqMVzteFbixTs0EzM6Xq .ck4VN8FDEH5J04HxMadERboBI8TJ2zlStKQ5eqiVRL_q9k1f1k1TWrt4K.s zGLZlpOQPXEaKTZBPfRtaX8wOd.4ZFxJx99XuOcBKH.oaPmGD9POoi0svUKZ RsraEAYUHYUAiPgUdsVdwNlgQ6Tf1Frva_JirnJhLxg_6nzqk4ymNjQmF0GA 0YyGceSlWeWBNu9TfyDaVAyicNcgvLceIiKUy.1Tg4Y0SpfeqXw-- Received: from [87.1.202.124] by web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:07:09 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1474092.1340466836144.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1340474829.4474.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:07:09 +0100 (BST) From: Daniele Tincani To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <1474092.1340466836144.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all, many thanks to all who have been so kind to give me interesting advices like the ones below from Johan and Chris. Some of these circuits I already knew when I built my single-turn air-cored loop (at that time I opted for the M0AYF amplifier, because of its simplicity together with good performance). Now I'm planning to try to build a wideband multi-turn ferrite-cored active antenna, hopefully covering also LF. Do the same amplifiers suit for both kinds of loop (single-turn air-cored and multi-turn ferrite-cored)? 73 Daniele IZ5WWB [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 32d4aaaf019758ff5a0d8e92eec683e6 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1740643075-928118245-1340474829=:4474" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fe606220279 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1740643075-928118245-1340474829=:4474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=0A=A0=0Amany thanks to all who have been so kind to give me interes= ting advices like the ones below from Johan and Chris. Some of these circui= ts I already knew when I built my single-turn air-cored=A0loop=A0(at that t= ime I opted for the M0AYF amplifier, because of its simplicity together wit= h good performance). Now I'm planning to try to build a wideband multi-turn= ferrite-cored active antenna, hopefully covering=A0also LF. Do the same=A0= amplifiers suit for both kinds of loop (single-turn air-cored and multi-tu= rn ferrite-cored)?=0A=A0=0A73=0ADaniele IZ5WWB=0A=A0 =0A=0A________________= ________________=0A Da: Chris Trask =0AA: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: Sabato 23 G= iugno 2012 17:53=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?=0A = =0A>=0A> > so what I would appreciate some suggestions about=0A> > is the r= equired low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in=0A> > air-core br= oadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas?=0A>=0A>=0A> Hi D= aniele,=0A>=0A>you may get some inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier des= ign.=0A> =0A> http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-active-sm-lo= op-antenna.htm=0A>=0A=0A=A0 =A0 This amplifier provides better performance= than either the Wellbrook or Pixel commercial products:=0A=0Ahttp://www.ho= me.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper009.html=0A=0A=0AChris Trask=0AN7ZWY / WD= X3HLB=0ASenior Member IEEE=0Ahttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ ---1740643075-928118245-1340474829=:4474 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
many thanks = to all who have been so kind to give me interesting advices like the ones b= elow from Johan and Chris. Some of these circuits I already knew when I bui= lt my single-turn air-cored loop (at that time I opted for the M0= AYF amplifier, because of its simplicity together with good performance). N= ow I'm planning to try to build a wideband multi-turn ferrite-cored active = antenna, hopefully covering also LF. Do the same  amplifiers suit= for both kinds of loop (single-turn air-cored and multi-turn ferrite-cored= )?
 
73
Daniele IZ5W= WB
 
Da: Chris Trask <= christrask@earthlink.net>
A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
<= b>Inviato: Sabato 23 Giugno 2= 012 17:53
Oggetto: Re:= LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?

>
>= > so what I would appreciate some suggestions about
> > is the= required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in
> > ai= r-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas?
>
>
> Hi Daniele,
>
>you may get some= inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier design.
>
> http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-ac= tive-sm-loop-antenna.htm
>

    This amplifier p= rovides better performance than either the Wellbrook or Pixel commercial pr= oducts:

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper00= 9.html


Chris Trask
N7ZWY / WDX3HLB
Senior Member IEEE<= br>http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/



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Content preview: Triggertron and a delay line (lumped) modern spark set hi From: M0FMT Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:15 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Ken [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: cfcc86a3bdfbba3693e29dd7b2240377 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01CD4896.B430E550" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:497577728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fd727d25d85 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CD4896.B430E550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Triggertron and a delay line (lumped) modern spark set hi From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:15 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Ken I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than = C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I = won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency = output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an = amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low = resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well = into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is = barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in = terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying = to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive = frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain = will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor = will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I = use to bring a PA into optimum performance. What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you = are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there is = enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the = sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate = in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will = detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, = efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP = design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style = unobtainium in the components listing. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Ken To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order = differential equations, partial integration and integration by parts, = the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a = point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET = PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is = because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the = keep the shack and the cat warm. 73s Ken M0KHW From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Class E etc Hi Ken=20 Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a = good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the = amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET = drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET = fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate = on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage = for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, = a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in = the drain circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow = it with a low pass filter, although the output wave will be surprisingly = clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily know = all the starting parameters and in any case the result is going to wide = of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. Best to use = 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for = fast, very fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the = drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a = dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very = low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good = efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply = voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable = of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly = cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct = drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below = shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy = load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope = then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer = my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer = in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak = voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum = peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. = This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two = turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring = the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak. =20 Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work = well. Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers.=20 For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning = Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... = http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-powera= mps.pdf For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a scalable = surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20 http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CD4896.B430E550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Triggertron and a  delay line (lumped) modern  = spark =20 set  hi

From: M0FMT
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Hi Ken
 
I believe you can=20 operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than C but = they=20 generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. The = high=20 efficiency output stage has to = operate=20 like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it changes = state from=20 fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which means a = device that=20 will operate well into the VHF) the higher the = efficiency. If you=20 have a device that is barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going = to be=20 much good (in terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. = Remember you=20 are trying to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate = in-order to generate a high = electromagnetic=20 field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a = scope on=20 the drain will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain = inductor=20 will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I use = to bring a=20 PA into optimum performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well = but if you=20 are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF = then there=20 is enough empirical data from = following=20 the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that will = get you a=20 good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract = from the=20 time it takes to build a very interesting high power, = efficient TX=20 design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP = design being IMHO=20 a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the components listing.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: Ken=20 <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 11 = June 2012,=20 22:09
Subject: LF: = RE: Class E=20 etc

Hi=20 Pete.
About 40 = years ago my=20 integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial = integration and=20 integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 = dimensional=20 integration of a point in free space .   Looking at some of = the sites=20 my Class C MOSFET PA is = probably more=20 like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because they are = very=20 forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the = cat=20 warm.
 
73s
 
Ken
 
M0KHW
 
From: owner-=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:=20 owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On=20 Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 11 June 2012 = 19:16
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Class E=20 etc
 
 
Hi Ken=20
 
Ha ha = Stefan, how=20 good is your Integration = Ken?
 
Here are a = couple of=20 sites that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load and = a good=20 oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do = with  A/=20 the correct driver preferably using a FET=20 drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the = FET fully on and fully off on = each cycle.=20 Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). = Ensuring=20 the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look = out for=20 transients, a diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting the shunt capacitance = and=20 inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically= See=20 article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although = the=20 output wave will be surprisingly=20 clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily = know=20 all the starting parameters and in any case the result = is going=20 to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. = Best to use=20 'Scope measurements to set=20 the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise = times.=20 Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the=20 key.
These = amplifiers are=20 capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. = This means=20 the heat dissipation from the FET is very=20 low at high power giving cool heat-sinks!<= /SPAN>
 
The GW3UEP=20 (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency&= nbsp;and=20 high power depending upon the FET used=20 and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at = 140watts and is=20 capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is = fairly=20 cool. Adjusting L and C empirically= using=20 the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the = way to=20 go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up = into a=20 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape = on the=20 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I = then=20 transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned = transformer in the antenna up-lead. I = adjust=20 the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner = link=20 turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the = dummy=20 load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by either adding = or=20 reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing = the the=20 transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead = current,=20 here you are looking for the maximum=20 peak.  
 
Oh yes and = WIMA high voltage high value = capacitors from=20 Maplin work=20 well.
 
Read the = articles=20 and search info on class E = amplifiers. 
 
 
For some = bed time=20 reading but ignor the math = look at the=20 Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all = really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Soka= l%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
 
For design = ideas
http://www.classeradio.com/
=
 
For a good = practical=20 circuit for a single ended amp that  is a scalable = surefire=20 design, no need to reinvent the wheel.
http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/
 
For = antennas and=20 antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20
http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/
 
73 es = GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
<= /DIV>

 
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Too many beacons about on LF es MF De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 4:24 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz OPERA activity [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 7aa9ad08848e488e22e0ff1d71f4ef1d Subject: LF: Re: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459745024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cd4fd234a32f34 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Albert Why not QSO mode ???????????? Too many beacons about on LF es MF De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 4:24 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz OPERA activity > All, > > Beacon in mode OPERA this evening, dial 500kHz USB, carrier abt. 501.7 > kHz. 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Content preview: *Nice OPERA DX last night, thanks to Vladimir, Andrey and Alexey for receiving my signals. * *22:41500 PA0A de RX3DHR Op4 2117 km -22 dB in Zaraysk.* *22:41500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -23 dB in Moscow* [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.26 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: dd7342f7a67c58184f15e70b9d6d7f8e Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070305080303060206060604" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:294927456:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fdadd292398 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070305080303060206060604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *Nice OPERA DX last night, thanks to Vladimir, Andrey and Alexey for receiving my signals. * *22:41500 PA0A de RX3DHR Op4 2117 km -22 dB in Zaraysk.* *22:41500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -23 dB in Moscow* *22:36500 PA0A de RA3TTS Op4_2523 km_ -29 dB in N.Novgorod * *73, Albert PA0A* ** --------------070305080303060206060604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Nice OPERA DX last night, thanks to Vladimir, Andrey and Alexey for receiving my signals.

22:41    500 PA0A de RX3DHR Op4 2117 km -22 dB in Zaraysk    .

22:41    500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -23 dB in Moscow

22:36    500 PA0A de RA3TTS Op4 2523 km -29 dB in N.Novgorod


73, Albert PA0A






--------------070305080303060206060604-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BBB5138036272; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShUDI-0005WF-Rs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:21:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShUDI-0005W6-Bc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:21:28 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShUDG-0007bE-KT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:21:27 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5KNLPpD018521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:21:26 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5KNLPju022842 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:21:25 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE25A8B.6000403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:19:39 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE10B61.7060202@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE116B4.4080401@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FE116B4.4080401@kpnmail.nl> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5KNLPpD018521 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jan, Rik, MF, I have made some measurements and observations: When using the active E field antenna while having the transmit antenna in resonance, the signal levels are 10 dB higher then with a de-resonated antenna. So there is definitely a coupling between then. HOWEVER the S/N is much better when the transmit antenna is out of resonance. This can clearly be heared because i'm using a medium fast AGC now (USR file of my last mail), so the lower audio levels become compensated. But the QRN is very clearly louder than the background noise. So there is a receive improvement (in this location) when the transmit antenna is out of resonance! Now, the higher local QRM could be produced in the first amp stage of the active antenna or is could come from the transmit antenna itselfe. So i have connected the receiver to the transmit antenna and used a switchable attenuator in series and set about to the same signal level. The RX and netbook was running on batteries during the test. When comparing these results (small active E field antenna versus large transmit antenna) the S/N (e.g. of IQ2MI) of the small antenna is clearly higher! In other words, the MF earth seems to be contaminated by QRM! [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 39d0aa3a8a50eef73e9de70bcfcadb32 Subject: Re: LF: Test signal needed, observations... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429576352:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94fe25b22785e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jan, Rik, MF, I have made some measurements and observations: When using the active E field antenna while having the transmit antenna=20 in resonance, the signal levels are 10 dB higher then with a=20 de-resonated antenna. So there is definitely a coupling between then.=20 HOWEVER the S/N is much better when the transmit antenna is out of=20 resonance. This can clearly be heared because i'm using a medium fast=20 AGC now (USR file of my last mail), so the lower audio levels become=20 compensated. But the QRN is very clearly louder than the background=20 noise. So there is a receive improvement (in this location) when the=20 transmit antenna is out of resonance! Now, the higher local QRM could be=20 produced in the first amp stage of the active antenna or is could come=20 from the transmit antenna itselfe. So i have connected the receiver to=20 the transmit antenna and used a switchable attenuator in series and set=20 about to the same signal level. The RX and netbook was running on=20 batteries during the test. When comparing these results (small active E=20 field antenna versus large transmit antenna) the S/N (e.g. of IQ2MI) of=20 the small antenna is clearly higher! In other words, the MF earth seems=20 to be contaminated by QRM! That means my receive sensitivity is another important step better than=20 a few days ago... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 20.06.2012 02:17, schrieb pa3abk: > Stefan, > > Just be sure that the TX antenna is not coupled to the E-probe. (=20 > De-tune the system when you check it) > I'm mostly listening on my TX antenna, the E-probe is only a few=20 > meters away. These two interact in such that the E-probe is just a=20 > bufferamp of the main aerial. > > To give you an idea how heavy this is: With a portable (AWP20 AKAI) I=20 > can enjoy MF in the toilet and bathroom providing the radio is near=20 > the waterworks and TX aerial is tuned. > > IQ2MI is "good" beacon, just before sunset it manifest itself here and=20 > build up to S-6 during midnight. During the winter you can enjoy it=20 > the whole day. > I > FYI sometimes during clubevenings (Tuesdays?) it comes "live" with=20 > CQ. But assume they will not listen on 477 :-( > > Checked Meteox, during our QSO a heavy thunderstorm was over your QTH,=20 > it moved away and lost a lot of it's activity. > Just to advise you that you shouldn't misinterpret your observations. > > Jan/pa3abk > > > NNNN > > > On 20-6-2012 1:29, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> MF, >> >> I took the QRSS/CW beacon signal from IQ2MI as the test signal. It=20 >> was very well audible here, R5. It was interesting to see the deep=20 >> QSB. Both, my small active antenna and the transmit antenna show the=20 >> same S/N but maybe it would be useful to use a antenna switch to=20 >> compare the S/N without having a time delay (changing the antenna=20 >> cables), due to the QSB... >> >> 73s.. >> >> Am 20.06.2012 00:44, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >>> Rik, MF, >>> >>> Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works=20 >>> much better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no=20 >>> problem. Maybe you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or=20 >>> someone else? >>> >>> It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that=20 >>> many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops=20 >>> that were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. >>> >>> I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test=20 >>> signals from amateurs. >>> >>> 73, Stefan >>> >>> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9A4E6380000A3; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl37y-00087X-Qz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:14:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl37x-00087N-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:14:41 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sl37w-0007Od-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:14:40 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5UJEdGU020419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:14:39 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5UJEdhB030237 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:14:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEF4FAB.2010103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:12:43 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, About the 630m band dipoles i remember a story: In late 2008 i started with the 100m kite experiments and used J-antennas for 160m. That worked excellent. Matching was done with a 28m long RG58 cable. The losses couldn't have been to high since i run 600W RF and nothing became significantly warm. One evening i was in QSO with a German station while it started to rain. If the kite becomes wet, the wind has to be stronger or at least stable to keep it in the sky. So it was a question of time until the kite falls down. It was completely dark and i didn't see the kite. The QSO partner became weaker and the QRN was down. Later i saw that the kite was stretched on the wet ground. The SWR was down but anyway it was possible to hear the other station and it was possible to finish the QSO!!! That was exactly the location where i did the VLF kite experiments in 2010/11. The ground conductivity must be "fair" there. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: LF: MF dipole Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437713024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf4fef505e5484 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, About the 630m band dipoles i remember a story: In late 2008 i started with the 100m kite experiments and used J-antennas for 160m. That worked excellent. Matching was done with a 28m long RG58 cable. The losses couldn't have been to high since i run 600W RF and nothing became significantly warm. One evening i was in QSO with a German station while it started to rain. If the kite becomes wet, the wind has to be stronger or at least stable to keep it in the sky. So it was a question of time until the kite falls down. It was completely dark and i didn't see the kite. The QSO partner became weaker and the QRN was down. Later i saw that the kite was stretched on the wet ground. The SWR was down but anyway it was possible to hear the other station and it was possible to finish the QSO!!! That was exactly the location where i did the VLF kite experiments in 2010/11. The ground conductivity must be "fair" there. So, if this is possible with a J antenna on the ground (should behave about like a dipole on the ground (?) ), it must work on MF too. Or am i wrong? That means, for a MF dipole test i would start to try to lay it on the ground. If this works with reasonable efficiency, so that a QSO is possible, it would be a simple solution for a quick /p MF antenna that can find its place in a back pack! What do the experts think? :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5AB8B380000ED; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SetIX-0003YP-1x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:32:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SetIV-0003YG-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:32:07 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SetIS-0005Xc-92 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:32:06 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.8.23]) by mwinf5d06 with ME id MvXz1j00e0VovFE03vXzHd; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:32:03 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <1339438549.67345.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <85F124CBD59C48FEB97567F3B69B2AC1@lindavideo> <1339499711.77638.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <006a01cd48cb$f2e1aed0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1339599103.18960.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1339599103.18960.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:31:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Since the resonator is designed to store high KVA'' lumped delay line .... with a little -E voltage (-100's !) to the grid showing on the cct , any big tube can be used in pulse (modulator) service ..... and with 50% modulation at 15 KHz audio , that was going to be some hi-fi broadcast system , [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c573b52cf8151384d61669dad73b0e81 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01CD49A3.952550C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:496660256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44fd8eb3658f8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CD49A3.952550C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gosh me too ! A switching valve cct and something that '' maintains circulating = current within each resonator. Since the resonator is designed to store = high KVA'' lumped delay line ....=20 with a little -E voltage (-100's !) to the grid showing on the cct = , any big tube can be used in pulse (modulator) service ..... and = with 50% modulation at 15 KHz audio , that was going to be some = hi-fi broadcast system , must be some air defence ww2 / 1950 radar guys about to fill in = the gaps ! ,=20 I think you could use 807 valve Pete , in pulse service , should = do a good job , lots of -Ve grid bias and a ringing drive cct = ....... you could use a old 'valve' pulse generator for = experimentation , or a new one with a (pulse) transformer on the = o/p .but with the valve into grid 'amps' on peaks , the drive ctt = will need to be stable as the load will swing from 10K to .. = 100's ohms at conduction ?=20 asking before tx 'Is this spectrum in use ?' G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:51 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Well shoot me down with my britches on fire! Mal=20 I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers = By RCA. I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any = time because I thought they used special valves to achieve the fast = response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode = and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of the anode = one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you get a very = fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned = circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ = http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/ I think the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency = TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work OK = for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away with one = set up. Now to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Pete es Co The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E and = well designed would produce 70% efficiency. The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it = is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage = generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% = efficiency if you are lucky.=20 Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch = to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not = careful about matching to load. I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for = years. Fets are probably more manageable, compact and safer regarding = voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high = current, like an electric chair!! 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 AM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Ken I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes = than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I = won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency = output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an = amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low = resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well = into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is = barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in = terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying = to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive = frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain = will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor = will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide = I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you = are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there is = enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the = sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate = in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will = detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, = efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP = design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style = unobtainium in the components listing. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Ken To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd = order differential equations, partial integration and integration by = parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional = integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my = Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I = like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike = semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. 73s Ken M0KHW From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Class E etc Hi Ken=20 Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need = a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for = the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using a = FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the = FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with = accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate = voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for = transients, a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and = inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article = below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave = will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you = don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the = result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some = starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output = conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. = Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above = a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is = very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good = efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply = voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable = of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly = cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct = drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below = shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy = load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope = then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer = my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer = in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak = voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum = peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. = This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two = turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring = the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak. =20 Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work = well. Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers.=20 For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning = Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... = http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-powera= mps.pdf For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a = scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20 http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CD49A3.952550C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gosh  me too !
 
A switching  valve cct and  something  that ''  = maintains circulating current within each resonator. Since the resonator = is=20 designed to store high KVA''  lumped  delay line ....
 
with a  little  -E voltage  (-100's !)  to = the =20 grid showing on the cct , any big tube  can be used in pulse = (modulator)=20 service .....  and  with   50%  = modulation =20 at  15 KHz   audio , that was going to  = be =20 some  hi-fi   broadcast system ,
 
must  be  some  air defence  ww2 / 1950=20  radar guys  about to fill  in the gaps !  ,
 
I  think  you  could use  807 valve  Pete = , in=20 pulse service  , should  do a  good  job , lots = of  -Ve=20 grid bias  and a  ringing  drive  cct ....... = you =20 could  use a  old  'valve'  pulse generator  = for=20 experimentation , or a  new  one  with a  = (pulse) =20 transformer on the  o/p .but  with the  valve into  = grid=20 'amps'  on peaks , the  drive  ctt will  need  = to =20 be  stable  as the  load  will  swing  = from =20 10K  to .. 100's  ohms  at conduction ?
 
asking  before tx 'Is this spectrum in use ?'
 
G.

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:51 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Well shoot me down with = my=20 britches on fire!
 
Mal
I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube=20 amplifiers By RCA.
I have heard of higher = efficiency=20 Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought they used = special=20 valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on a = tuned=20 circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third = harmonic=20 of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you = get a=20 very fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA = tuned=20 circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/b= ta5t/
 
I think the point about = this is=20 that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters = and the=20 like. And probably will work OK for us on LF with such narrow = allocations where=20 we may get away with one set up.
 
Now to see if it is = scalable to=20 lower power video tubes.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: mal hamilton=20 <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, 12 = June 2012,=20 19:48
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 Class E etc

Pete es Co
The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can = get to=20 class D or E and well designed would produce 70% = efficiency.
The class D or E is not really an amplifier in = the=20 convential sense it is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest = and the=20 voltage generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably = 80% to 90%=20 efficiency if you are lucky.
Like some have said a tube amp is more robust = and tolerant=20 of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if = one is=20 not careful about matching to load.
I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and = they have=20 been going for years.
Fets are probably more manageable, compact =  and safer=20 regarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at = high=20 current, like an electric chair!!
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 = 11:15=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E = etc

Hi Ken
 
I believe you=20 can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than = C but=20 they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I = won't go into=20 figures but = just think=20 about it. The high efficiency output = stage has to=20 operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it = changes=20 state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off = (which means a=20 device that will operate well into the VHF) the higher = the=20 efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple = of megs=20 its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking = about) at=20 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the = inductor to=20 rise and collapse at a=20 very fast rate in-order to generate = a high=20 electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine = waves=20 here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the output = side of=20 the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try=20 it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the = guide I=20 use to bring a PA into optimum performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well = but if=20 you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF=20 then there is enough empirical data from = following=20 the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that will = get you=20 a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that = will=20 detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high = power,=20 efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The = GW3UEP = design being=20 IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style=20 unobtainium in=20 the components listing.
 
73 es GL=20 Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Ken=20 <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 11 = June 2012,=20 22:09
Subject: LF: = RE: Class=20 E etc

Hi Pete.
About 40 years ago my integration was = quite=20 good, liked doing 2nd order differential = equations, partial=20 integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems = with=20 was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space . =   Looking=20 at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class = E by=20 default. The reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving = devices=20 unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat=20 warm.
 
73s
 
Ken
 
M0KHW
 
From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto: = owner-=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On = Behalf Of=20 M0FMT
Sent: 11=20 June 2012 19:16
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Class E=20 etc
 
 
Hi Ken =
 
Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration=20 Ken?
 
Here are a couple of sites that should = answer=20 your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. = Setting=20 the conditions for the amplifier is to do with  A/ the correct = driver=20 preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and = TC4421=20 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully off on = each cycle.=20 Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). = Ensuring=20 the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise = they pop,=20 look out for transients, a diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting the = shunt=20 capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be done = empirically= See=20 article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, = although the=20 output wave will be surprisingly=20 clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't = necessarily know=20 all the starting parameters and in any case the result = is going=20 to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. = Best to=20 use 'Scope measurements to=20 set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / = Off rise=20 times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the=20 key.
These amplifiers are capable of = incredibly good=20 efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat = dissipation=20 from the FET=20 is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks!<= /SPAN>
 
The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended = design is=20 capable good efficiency&= nbsp;and=20 high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I = have=20 modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost = twice that=20 into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L = and C=20 empirically= using=20 the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is = the way=20 to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my = TX up=20 into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain = wave shape=20 on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy = load. I=20 then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of = the tuned=20 transformer in the antenna up-lead. = I adjust=20 the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner = link=20 turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across = the dummy=20 load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by either adding = or=20 reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with = bringing the=20 the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead = current,=20 here you are looking for the maximum=20 peak.  
 
Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value = capacitors from=20 Maplin work=20 well.
 
Read the articles and search info on = class E=20 amplifiers. 
 
 
For some bed time reading but ignor = the math look=20 at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all=20 really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Soka= l%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
 
For design = ideas
=
 
For a good practical circuit for a = single ended=20 amp that  is a scalable = surefire=20 design, no need to reinvent the wheel.
 
For antennas and antenna feed methods = a "look no=20 where else site"
http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=
<= /DIV>


 


------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CD49A3.952550C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EC31338000093; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShOv2-0003cm-IL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:42:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShOv2-0003cd-4o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:42:16 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShOuz-000535-O0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:42:15 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5KHgCjZ006962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:42:12 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5KHgC2k009682 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:42:12 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:40:26 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> In-Reply-To: <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... 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That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF > > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting software > for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: > > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html > > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to get > started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) > > on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link to > sdr -radio: > > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ > > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular > transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time to > learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. > > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. > > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr > hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find > here: > > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software > > yours, > Piotr, SQ7MPJ > > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D642D3800008D; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg34w-0002zs-GO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:10:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg34v-0002zj-U9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:10:53 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg34t-0004h6-TM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:10:52 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5H0Apvo000766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:10:51 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5H0Aon2004794 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:10:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDD2024.2080507@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:09:08 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1339856589.169975917@f7.mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <1339856589.169975917@f7.mail.ru> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alex, I didn't forget your announcement but unfortunately it cannot transmit tonite. The system is resonated on MF now. It is easy to switch back to LF but i want to do some tests still... Are you in holidays again? Hope it will not be the last night.. 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The system is resonated on MF now. It is easy to switch back to LF but i want to do some tests still... Are you in holidays again? Hope it will not be the last night.. Ah, BTW, see that tiny little MF coil beside the LF coil!! LF is stil the real hard stuff! :-) And VLF of course ;-) https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/MF_vs_LF.JPG 73, all the best, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 16:23, schrieb Alex K: > Hello LF! > My grabber in KO85HA is on-line (at this night): http://rn3aus-lf-grabber.narod.ru > 73 de rn3aus/Alex > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A43F138000095; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkuLP-0005ZN-1L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:51:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkuLO-0005ZE-CF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:51:58 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkuLL-00050p-Kr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:51:57 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Jun 2012 09:51:52 -0000 Received: from p5B3956E3.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.86.227] by mail.gmx.net (mp070) with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 11:51:52 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18rXGxjd6srQMh+w+1zzNvuFeGQDQo+gUUVAkLGgH QO1Jcqd0ZIPDjK Message-ID: <022001cd56a5$f61164a0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:51:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, >4th try... That's the reason why I opted for for the yahoo list... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 070d9ab39265047b7fb462cd62854f10 Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_021C_01CD56B6.B7F907C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:504750496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4feecc742a5f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_021C_01CD56B6.B7F907C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Stefan, >4th try... That's the reason why I opted for for the yahoo list... But back on topic.:-) If I understand you correctly you did not terminate the filter output side while measuring with the hi Z probe. I would try the same measurement with a correct termination. As there are also 500Ohm taps available you could either feed with a series 500 Ohm resistor and terminate the output by 500 Ohm or the same arangement with 18k if you don't want to use the 500Ohm taps. The plot looks typcally for a crystal or mechanical filter which has not been terminated properly. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:26 PM Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try... -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 Von: Stefan Schfer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473 kHz. It is available at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very high. See the image: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.png So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5098 - Ausgabedatum: 28.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_021C_01CD56B6.B7F907C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,
 
>4th try...
 
That's the reason why I opted = for for the=20 yahoo list...
 
But back on topic.:-)
If I understand you correctly you did = not terminate=20 the filter output side while
measuring with the hi Z = probe.
I would try the same measurement with a = correct=20 termination.
As there are also 500Ohm taps = available you=20 could either
feed with a series 500 Ohm resistor and = terminate=20 the output by 500 Ohm
or the same arangement with 18k if you = don't want=20 to use the 500Ohm taps.
The plot looks typcally for a crystal = or mechanical=20 filter which has not been terminated
properly.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 = 10:26=20 PM
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, = mechanical=20 filters

4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- =
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer "><schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version: 2012.0.2180=20 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5098 - Ausgabedatum: 28.06.2012=20

------=_NextPart_000_021C_01CD56B6.B7F907C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 236CF3800008B; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 05:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdIDd-0006Ql-IP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:44:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdIDd-0006Qc-4k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:44:29 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdIDb-0003bO-LC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:44:28 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmIFABUa009cHY5g/2dsb2JhbABFgkWhOpBZgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIsAQEDBQIBAwQNBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPuDuKRmGCToMbA40+kQOBW4R9gmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="374910234" Received: from host-92-29-142-96.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.142.96]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 10:44:26 +0100 Message-ID: <007201cd4624$74740560$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:44:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Lubos I think this is a BEACON field day, no QSO'S are taking place. Can you hear me on 136.5 cw and if so pse call also xband 7033 cw 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Lubos OK2BVG To: _RSGB_LF Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:38 AM Subject: LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: bde53fa3678f346afe39dd99e3e185db Subject: LF: Re: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD4624.740FEC60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:480391520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fd31b2d7a2b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD4624.740FEC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lubos I think this is a BEACON field day, no QSO'S are taking place. Can you = hear me on 136.5 cw and if so pse call also xband 7033 cw 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: _RSGB_LF=20 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:38 AM Subject: LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Hello Stefan, LF! I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N more = than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-) RST =3D 599 UFB 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD4624.740FEC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lubos
I think this is a BEACON field day, no = QSO'S are=20 taking place. Can you hear me on 136.5 cw and if so pse call also xband=20 7033
cw
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lubos = OK2BVG=20
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 = 9:38=20 AM
Subject: LF: = DK7FC_in_JN88KS

Hello Stefan, LF!
I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N = more=20 than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station = :-)
RST =3D 599 UFB

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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[109.47.0.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4sm38902912wiz.1.2012.06.20.06.00.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:00:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> <004301cd4ec3$11af9000$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: DK8KW & DI2BO X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <004301cd4ec3$11af9000$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-Id: <2966C62E-303D-4A21-AE78-A2FCF23E2C09@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:00:07 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, CW has long been abolished in Germany to distinguish between license classes. Difference between A and E is just a slightly easier exam for the technical part of class E resulting in permission to use a few fewer bands and less than 10dB lower max. power. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dk8kw.di2bo[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 5f3d51ad98dd7d967f54e1b86b99caac Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2CAFA263-7084-4280-972A-EB5A0CC4B0E6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453420736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m003.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074fe1c9c04928 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-2CAFA263-7084-4280-972A-EB5A0CC4B0E6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mal, CW has long been abolished in Germany to distinguish between license classes= . Difference between A and E is just a slightly easier exam for the technica= l part of class E resulting in permission to use a few fewer bands and less t= han 10dB lower max. power. Vy 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO On 20.06.2012, at 10:59, "mal hamilton" wrote: > Horst > One way forward is to become a class A licencee or alternatively upgrade t= he class E licence to class A > This is what they did in the UK. They upgraded class B to class A as easy a= s that !! When you call an ex class B on cw he does not reply because he nev= er learned morse code. There are so many different licences in the UK at pre= sent that I have lost track. > It is a free for all now --- all good fun --- no Pirates any more, so easy= to get a permit. > =20 > =20 > g3kev > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Horst St=C3=B6cker > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:54 AM > Subject: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams >=20 > Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implement= ation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. What wa= s the maximum power in WRC2012? > The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really? > The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class E. What= s so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. 9W ERP. Any= one - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. As HAM with c= lass E even not 1W ERP - just nothing. > It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with one Differ= ence: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now BNetzA) remembered= that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with every kind of li= cences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: >250THz ist still a= llocated to class A AND E HAMs. > Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the club! > Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN) >=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juni 2012 um 13:57 Uhr > Von: DK1IS > An: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams > Dear group, >=20 > to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the=20 > MF-allocation in Germany which I=C2=B4ve got today via email from our=20 > authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). >=20 > 73 and cul on MF! >=20 > Tom, DK1IS > JN59WK >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Ihr WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App f=C3=BCr i= Phone und Android. =20 > https://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/ --Apple-Mail-2CAFA263-7084-4280-972A-EB5A0CC4B0E6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Mal,

<= div>CW has long been abolished in Germany to distinguish between license cla= sses. Difference between A and E is just a slightly easier exam for the tech= nical part of class E resulting in permission to use a few fewer bands and l= ess than 10dB lower max. power.

Vy 73
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO




On 20.06.2012, at 10:59, "mal hamilton= " <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>= wrote:

Horst
One way forward is to become a class A licencee or= =20 alternatively upgrade the class E licence to class A
This is what they did in the UK. They upgraded cla= ss B to=20 class A as easy as that !! When you call an ex class B on cw he does not rep= ly=20 because he never learned morse code. There are so many different licences in= the=20 UK at present that I have lost track.
It is a free for all now --- all good fun --- no P= irates=20 any more, so easy to get a permit.
 
 
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:54= =20 AM
Subject: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocat= ion to=20 German Hams

Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full=20 implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNet= zA.=20 What was the maximum power in WRC2012?
The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really?
The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class E.= =20 Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. 9W ER= P.=20 Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. As HAM w= ith=20 class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing.
It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with on= e=20 Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now BNetzA)= =20 remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with ever= y=20 kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: >250= THz=20 ist still allocated to class A AND E HAMs.
Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the=20 club!
Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN)

Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Ju= ni=20 2012 um 13:57 Uhr
Von: DK1IS=20 <DK1IS@kabelmail.de>
An: rsgb_lf_gro= up@yahoogroups.co.uk,=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg
Betreff: LF: Text of MF-Allocation=20 to German Hams
Dear group,

to whom it may concern: en= closed=20 please find the official text of the
MF-allocation in Germany which I=C2= =B4ve=20 got today via email from our
authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur"=20= (BNetzA).

73 and cul on MF!

Tom, DK1IS
JN59WK


  

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= --Apple-Mail-2CAFA263-7084-4280-972A-EB5A0CC4B0E6-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 65A2138000096; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkVnJ-0000yY-GQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:39:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkVnI-0000yP-VL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:39:08 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkVnG-0002Q0-Lx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:39:07 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAIpa7U9Ok8ZS/2dsb2JhbABFgkWeF5VrgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIOHgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPr1kLiVCKU2QbhW8DiBeFNpJohQCCXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,497,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="386260913" Received: from host-78-147-198-82.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.198.82]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 29 Jun 2012 08:39:05 +0100 Message-ID: <001301cd55ca$42475be0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd5561$92ff83a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <233C8A8FA9234F7BAA7D8A1505198AA4@AGB> <1340915761.45919.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:39:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete I got some fb reports from AA1A in the USA. We used to work xband, he would reply on 7033 Khz, the same from Moscow stns. This was in the early days of 500. I only work QSO mode and no Beacon thrashing. All transmitters need tweaking and matching to Antenna. Adjusting a class E transmitter takes a few minutes if constructed properly for the design frequency. 73 gl de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.6 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 052e5a7ab87161a07560b72babff3441 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD55CA.41D9A5F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464627360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fed5be3354f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD55CA.41D9A5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete I got some fb reports from AA1A in the USA. We used to work xband, he = would reply on 7033 Khz, the same from Moscow stns. This was in the early days of 500.=20 I only work QSO mode and no Beacon thrashing.=20 All transmitters need tweaking and matching to Antenna. Adjusting a = class E transmitter takes a few minutes if constructed properly for the = design frequency.=20 73 gl de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:36 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: malk 107 OK Mal Thanks for the advice. The GW3UEP was the answer to the Unobtainium = issue. Every bit could be obtained from Maplin. Not semi professional = Amateur with component access through the "Company", you can see that in = the LF HB. It would be nice just to take a High power design that is = "Surefire" build it and have it on the air with out a process of = tweaking and tuning and bits of FET ricocheting round the shack before = you finally tame it. I think I am almost there doing it empirically. That's what I am hoping with Stefans design but the ferrite "Black = magic"...... + Oh and your big sig in Moscow is more a function of your big = antenna..... yes?......... :o)=20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 20:20 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Bit of Lemon Pledge ? From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:09 PM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Pete es co The 500 Khz rig that I built in a couple of hours. Components from = the junk box. The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of = transistors. Class E single ended one FET. At the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an = exciter, a couple of diodes to SQ the sinewave. The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic ex TU7B tuning unit. I put a good signal into the USA es Canada es Moscow with this = transmitter on CW.=20 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD55CA.41D9A5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pete
I got some fb reports from AA1A in the USA. We = used to=20 work xband, he would reply on 7033 Khz, the same from Moscow = stns.
This was in the early days of = 500. 
I only work QSO mode and no Beacon thrashing.=20
All transmitters need tweaking and matching to = Antenna.=20 Adjusting a class E transmitter takes a few minutes if = constructed properly=20 for the design frequency.
73 gl de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 = 8:36=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: malk = 107

OK Mal
 
Thanks for the advice. The GW3UEP was the answer to the = Unobtainium=20 issue. Every bit could be obtained from Maplin. Not semi professional = Amateur=20 with component access through the "Company", you can see that in the = LF HB. It=20 would be nice just to take a High power design that is "Surefire" = build=20 it and have it on the air with out a process of tweaking and tuning and bits of = FET=20 ricocheting round the shack before you finally tame it. I think I am = almost=20 there doing it empirically.
That's what I am hoping with Stefans = design but=20 the ferrite "Black magic"...... +
Oh and your big sig in Moscow is more a function of = your big=20 antenna..... yes?......... :o) 

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, 28 = June=20 2012, 20:20
Subject: Re: LF:=20 Emailing: malk 107

Bit  of  Lemon Pledge  ?
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:09 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Emailing: malk 107

Pete es co
The 500 Khz rig that I built in a  couple of hours. = Components from=20 the junk box. The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of=20 transistors.
Class E single ended one FET.
At the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an = exciter, a=20 couple of diodes to SQ the sinewave.
The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic ex TU7B tuning=20 unit.
I put a good signal into the USA es Canada es Moscow with=20 this transmitter on CW.
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
 


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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not > permitted on Yahoo What on earth are you on about? 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Stewart/G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5A2C43800009D; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbtSc-0004uY-O8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:06:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbtSc-0004uP-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:06:10 +0100 Received: from mail-yw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.213.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbtSZ-0002Fj-Tk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:06:09 +0100 Received: by yhkk6 with SMTP id k6so7288574yhk.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:06:06 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=O8xCE5OaOEBe+RffAi3Vb7pZ2Yx3umNtrnTz6CJo2aY=; b=X0nipeuwjJM+4QSxxz6vmlXOx0OnOGy7SzEAEmFgcZl8piQC8gZpwpNc7AcE2Jrni/ iY5dVWXM8+OSee9rQPWyPWXLRslsxX6n24H0uAp0UMgxN8q2xSDnMTK57MkFkq4vQQ9y JLfV26WxlZ2y9uHXzBIS2b0BDTTgB/BoBCEZGby9VSfVxuDU+wH1lkyzzaN7voK4r9/V ldUvvjn9bgqrzQQGc3pPiFKu/2xOAOftAGzAWcCrGDJ5nHGHBeNkb+EmpNEPpZk+3uQF 4A1qZ5dM8EINMnP9QFmk9Bm6LYN/4z9dJZ/wfWTdaav2uDtbOu8IAinj3IDL9fFXaQZN Dy0A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.14.169 with SMTP id q9mr16129701oec.19.1338901565854; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 06:06:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C687D8D@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCCD2B9.1030408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C687D8D@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:06:05 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Rik, You need to create a Yahoo ID - currently I suspect that you have an e-mail forwarding access only. If you want help in creating the Yahoo ID let me know and I can initiate an automated e-mail request to you [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.213.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 1.2 HTML_OBFUSCATE_10_20 BODY: Message is 10% to 20% HTML obfuscation 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1ee0e38d43704c1b950cc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425125440:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d012.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fce047b74bc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8fb1ee0e38d43704c1b950cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, You need to create a Yahoo ID - currently I suspect that you have an e-mail forwarding access only. If you want help in creating the Yahoo ID let me know and I can initiate an automated e-mail request to you My preference is to have one list as this list is owned by a third party and thus cumbersome and sometimes slow to get issues resolved. Yahoo! Groups is largely administered by the individual. If we have two groups then some people feel that this isn't right either. There seems no way of satisfying everyone! Any bright suggestions appreciated!! 73 John, G3WKL On 5 June 2012 13:07, Rik Strobbe wrote: > *Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reportedbefore > .* > > John, > > I cannot vote either. > For what it is worth: my vote goes to keeping both reflectors. > I can understand that that people do not one to participate in one of them > , but that should be no reason for shutting down the other one. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > --e89a8fb1ee0e38d43704c1b950cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik,

You need to create a Yahoo ID - currently I suspect= that you have an e-mail forwarding access only. =A0If you want help in cre= ating the Yahoo ID let me know and I can initiate an automated e-mail reque= st to you

My preference is to have one list as this list is owned= by a third party and thus cumbersome and sometimes slow to get issues reso= lved. =A0Yahoo! Groups is largely administered by the individual. =A0If we = have two groups then some people feel that this isn't right either. =A0= There seems no way of satisfying everyone! =A0Any bright suggestions apprec= iated!!

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 J= une 2012 13:07, Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>= wrote:

Sorry=A0that=A0you=A0weren= 't=A0able to=A0vote -=A0very=A0odd -= =A0not had=A0that=A0reported before.


John,
=A0
I=A0cannot=A0vote either.
For=A0what=A0it is worth:=A0my=A0vot= e=A0goes to=A0keeping=A0both reflectors.=
I=A0can=A0understand=A0that=A0that= =A0people do=A0not=A0one to=A0participate in=A0= one of them,=A0but=A0that=A0should=A0be<= a>=A0no=A0reason=A0for=A0shutting down the=A0other one.
=A0
73, Rik=A0=A0ON7YD - OR7T

--e89a8fb1ee0e38d43704c1b950cc-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1FB7D380000E0; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sar2i-0007sr-64 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:19:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sar2h-0007sh-H7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:19:07 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sar2f-0006Ca-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:19:06 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d26 with ME id HUK31j00D0Lx2rm03UK3ws; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:19:04 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:19:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Pete, These are all the decodes I have , I was using the Skanti r5003 Rx with 40 ft alloy scaffold pole vertical , no atu , only the pre-selector in the rx , fed vis abt 90 feet of rg213 coax Good signal for 10 watts , just on the edge for the qso mode , at -20 dB minimum , but 15 watts would do the job ! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: a9f27894b14321629f793c65c0512237 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B5_01CD40E3.CEA50ED0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484401248:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fca3d2b293e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01CD40E3.CEA50ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Pete, These are all the decodes I have , I was using the Skanti r5003 Rx = with 40 ft alloy scaffold pole vertical , no atu , only the = pre-selector in the rx , fed vis abt 90 feet of rg213 coax=20 Good signal for 10 watts , just on the edge for the qso mode , = at -20 dB minimum , but 15 watts would do the job ! As I say its the only plug-and-play data mode , just plug in = place of the CW key ( the development was based on the racal = ma1723 , in CW mode at 20 wpm as the maximum keying speed and = envelope shape) 73 -G. 14:00 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:07 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:38 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB 11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi Graham Yes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon trying to make = up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable power on the rig (GW3UEP) = Class E Fet O/P stage Gate. PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a = bit now actually done nothing to stop it....... weird. I have only just got my head around opera...... thought it was a = linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW = transmission which I like. Thanks for all the info on opera btw. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:37 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Wow and that was just using the Op w/fall ! You could reduce to = 2 watts and still decode ! =20 Glad the system is working for you=20 G..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Thanks Paul Graham is right about QRG. My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer (not = affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial could be 503.275 ? +/- a bit ! G. From: Clemens Paul=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting What is the actual tx qrg then? Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: = 01.06.2012=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01CD40E3.CEA50ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok  Pete,
 
These are all  the  decodes  I have , I was using = the =20 Skanti  r5003  Rx  with    40 ft alloy=20 scaffold  pole   vertical  , no  atu , = only =20 the  pre-selector  in the  rx , fed vis  abt  = 90 feet=20 of  rg213 coax
 
Good  signal  for  10 watts  , just on = the =20 edge  for the  qso  mode  , at  -20 dB  = minimum ,=20 but  15 watts  would  do  the  job !
 
As I say  its  the  only  = plug-and-play  =20 data  mode  , just plug in place of the  CW key  ( = the =20 development  was  based on the  racal  ma1723  = ,=20 in  CW mode at  20  wpm  as the maximum  =20 keying  speed and  envelope  shape)
 
 
73 -G.
 
 
 
 
14:00 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

13:07 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB

12:38 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB

12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB

12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB

11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB

 
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Hi Graham
 
Yes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon = trying to=20 make up a PWM cct to have a continuously=20 variable power on the rig (GW3UEP) Class E = Fet O/P=20 stage Gate. PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actually = done=20 nothing to stop it....... weird.
 I have only just got my head around opera......  thought = it was=20 a linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much=20 more like a CW transmission which I like.
 
Thanks for all the info on opera btw.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:37
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Wow   and that  was  just using the  = Op =20 w/fall !  You  could  reduce to  2 watts   = and  still  decode !  
 
Glad the  system  is  working  for  you =
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Thanks Paul
 
Graham is right about QRG.
 
My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC = keyer=20 (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer = looking.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>= ;
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:12
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

could be   503.275  ?   +/-   a=20 bit  !
 
G.

From: Clemens = Paul=20
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at = all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject:=20 LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
  =
E-Mail ist virenfrei.
Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version:=20 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012=20




------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01CD40E3.CEA50ED0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 48AAF38000083; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfK08-0000ab-4E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:02:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfK07-0000aM-CX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:02:55 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfK05-0003CL-Cp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:02:54 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5F02qXb005178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:02:52 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5F02qXu030159 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:02:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDA7B48.2070001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:01:12 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDA6F0F.3080104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000c01cd4a88$8d75aec0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <000c01cd4a88$8d75aec0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5F02qXb005178 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx Jay, BTW, Martin/YV7MAE is watching as well ( http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), during all my attempts in the last weeks. But the last detection is some time ago and he still does not have the receive loop... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f64a6c8ea7591cecbecc6db95ffdd328 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472313632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494fda7bdb066c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Tnx Jay, BTW, Martin/YV7MAE is watching as well (=20 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), during all=20 my attempts in the last weeks. But the last detection is some time ago=20 and he still does not have the receive loop... Transmitting on LF while building a MF RX... 73, Stefan Am 15.06.2012 01:50, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: > Stefan > > Will be watching! > > Jay > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 > > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west > > > Jay, LF, > > This night i will continue with LF transmissions, same procedure. > So far the conds in EU and to 4X are excellent! > Maybe we can make it this night to W1... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 12.06.2012 14:10, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >> Hi Jay, >> >> We still have no success in Jnue so if we want to get a full call=20 >> detection in each month we have to find a suitable days soon. >> >> Well, all right about the DST stuff. However you know i simply like=20 >> transmitting so i usually do not care about the condx. From time to=20 >> time there is a surprise een in "bad" conds. Like yesterday! 4X1RF=20 >> temporary started his grabber in Haifa and to my surprise we got very=20 >> good results over that 2850km distance. About 25 dB S/N, see=20 >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Juni2012.jpg >> Sure, crossing the pond is another story. Let's do it in the coming=20 >> days :-) >> >> BTW what about your TX? Are you ready for a transmission? >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 12.06.2012 12:12, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: >>> Sefan >>> >>> Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at=20 >>> 'disturbed' levels it is unlikely that I would have had reception of=20 >>> your signals. It might be a good idea to check=20 >>> http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html=20 >>> for the DST levels before an overnight T/A attempt. Generally=20 >>> speaking, condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or=20 >>> better for a couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th=20 >>> or 10th would have been better T/A nights. The big dip starting on=20 >>> the 10th is a problem. >>> >>> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:09 PM >>> Subject: LF: Beacon to the west >>> >>> >>>> LF, >>>> >>>> Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night.=20 >>>> The TX is already on air... >>>> >>>> In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it=20 >>>> may be a bit difficult to become visible in TA. But who knows... >>>> >>>> At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for=20 >>>> distances below 3000 km. Probably because the area in darkness is=20 >>>> small on the northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away is=20 >>>> attenuated. So the distances within the first hop range may be a=20 >>>> bit lower than in winther but maybe the noise is even lower so S/N=20 >>>> improvement of some dB results. >>>> At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done=20 >>>> many tests and the radiated signal was even 3 dB stronger than a=20 >>>> few days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm thinking=20 >>>> different about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>> >>> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5EF713800008D; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 04:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSUm-0001Lv-6N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:18:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSUl-0001Lm-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:18:35 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbSUj-0005Rt-VN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:18:34 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AugJABxvzE9cF/bI/2dsb2JhbABFiX2ofASBJoEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQNJAiYGAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd1CbYbixEgLoIsgxYDiA2FMJB+hlaCYIFX X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,712,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="383120733" Received: from host-92-23-246-200.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.200]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 09:18:32 +0100 Message-ID: <004101cd422a$a098f1d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCC6CA2.2060702@telus.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:18:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John Please take note. There is an ever increasing case across the world to retain Blacksheep for those of us actually working on the lower frequencies in QSO daily. Quick reports, alerts, and small attachments. No conflict, let those so inclined towards Yahoo get on with Uploading pictures, using central storage archieves and what ever else they want to do. de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446848064:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554fcc6f933e13 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none John Please take note. There is an ever increasing case across the world to retain Blacksheep for those of us actually working on the lower frequencies in QSO daily. Quick reports, alerts, and small attachments. No conflict, let those so inclined towards Yahoo get on with Uploading pictures, using central storage archieves and what ever else they want to do. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gibbs" To: ; Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:06 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > I'm with Clive on this idea.... > > > Blacksheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo > for technical discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be > archived and design/construction projects can make full use of the > search function and files section of Yahoo. > > > Regards, John / VE7BDQ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 353F238000085; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShA2E-0008Hv-G5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:48:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShA2E-0008Hm-2T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:48:42 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShA2C-0007kg-Dq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:48:40 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5K1md9d006170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:48:39 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5K1mdCh002640 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:48:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE12B8E.5030608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:46:54 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE10B61.7060202@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE116B4.4080401@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FE116B4.4080401@kpnmail.nl> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jan, Am 20.06.2012 02:17, schrieb pa3abk: > Stefan, > > Just be sure that the TX antenna is not coupled to the E-probe. ( > De-tune the system when you check it) Ah, you're right. I should have known... (Know it from LF). I will check if there is a difference when the TX antenna is out of resonance. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: LF: Test signal needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438358144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fe12c3d6a64 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jan, Am 20.06.2012 02:17, schrieb pa3abk: > Stefan, > > Just be sure that the TX antenna is not coupled to the E-probe. ( > De-tune the system when you check it) Ah, you're right. I should have known... (Know it from LF). I will check if there is a difference when the TX antenna is out of resonance. > I'm mostly listening on my TX antenna, the E-probe is only a few > meters away. These two interact in such that the E-probe is just a > bufferamp of the main aerial. > > To give you an idea how heavy this is: With a portable (AWP20 AKAI) I > can enjoy MF in the toilet and bathroom providing the radio is near > the waterworks and TX aerial is tuned. > > IQ2MI is "good" beacon, just before sunset it manifest itself here and > build up to S-6 during midnight. During the winter you can enjoy it > the whole day. > I > FYI sometimes during clubevenings (Tuesdays?) it comes "live" with > CQ. But assume they will not listen on 477 :-( Oh, i've often got congratulation-emails from them about the LF work so i think i know who to ask for a sked :-) > > Checked Meteox, during our QSO a heavy thunderstorm was over your QTH, > it moved away and lost a lot of it's activity. Yes, later i saw it on the DM4TR grabber. The QRN was strongest just to the time i called CQ. Maybe this is why i didn't successfully copy Rik.. 73, Stefan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C391838000097; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlaL-0000zh-Vq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:54:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlaL-0000zY-Hl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:54:25 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13] helo=smtpa2.mediabeam.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShlaJ-0001n0-RE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:54:24 +0100 Received: from IMAP4 (balancer7.mediabeam.com [10.100.1.80]) by smtpa2.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5LHsMZp009722 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:54:22 +0200 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:54:21 +0200 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Geri, and your signs at 472.5kHz are 599 in jo43sv. me and an other D-stn tried to answer your CQ call some nights ago. sri, but no reaction. GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 20.06.2012 20:34 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_FRT_STOCK2 BODY: ReplaceTags: Stock (2) 0.0 T_FRT_STOCK1 BODY: ReplaceTags: Stock (1) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: ead411ce91f9601ce3974c7575797436 Subject: Re: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----7DE550FC0E684E05AADE9325FC567790" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:462086720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fe3600300a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------7DE550FC0E684E05AADE9325FC567790 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Geri, and your signs at 472=2E5kHz are 599 in jo43sv=2E me and an other D-st= n tried to answer your CQ call some nights ago=2E sri, but no reaction=2E GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 20=2E06=2E2012 20:34 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Hello Horst,=20 On 20=2E06=2E2012, at 09:54, "Horst St=F6cker" wrote: Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implem= entation of WRC2012 in 2013=2E I got this information also by the BNetz= A=2E What was the maximum power in WRC2012? =20 WRC2012 allocation: 1 Watt EIRP or under speciai conditions: up to 5 Wa= tt EIRP=2E=20 Today we got 1 Watt ERP =3D 1=2E64 Watt EIRP, which is already 1/3 of t= he maximum permissible=2E=20 With 100 Watt TX out, 2 Amperes antenna current and and 17m Umbrella an= tenna I got a measured ERP of 0=2E4 Watt (=3D0=2E7 Watt EIRP)=2E=A0=20 I can't see any reason to complain=2E=20 Vy 73=20 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ------7DE550FC0E684E05AADE9325FC567790 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Geri,
and your signs at 472=2E5kHz are 599 in jo43sv=2E me and an other D-stn= tried to answer your CQ call some nights ago=2E sri, but no reaction=2E=
GL
Uwe/dj8wx

Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 20=2E06=2E2012 20:34
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams


Hello Horst,

On 20=2E06=2E2012, at 09:54, "Horst Stöcker" <horst=2Estoecker@web=2Ede> wrote:
Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full i= mplementation of WRC2012 in 2013=2E I got this information also by the = BNetzA=2E What was the maximum power in WRC2012?

WRC2012 allocation: 1 Watt EIRP or under speciai conditions: up to= 5 Watt EIRP=2E

Today we got 1 Watt ERP =3D 1=2E64 Watt EIRP, which is already 1/3= of the maximum permissible=2E

With 100 Watt TX out, 2 Amperes antenna current and and 17m Umbrel= la antenna I got a measured ERP of 0=2E4 Watt (=3D0=2E7 Watt EIRP)=2E&n= bsp;

I can't see any reason to complain=2E


Vy 73

Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO

------7DE550FC0E684E05AADE9325FC567790-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 503DC3800009B; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 02:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbmy8-0001fF-Eu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:10:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbmy7-0001f6-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:10:15 +0100 Received: from impaqm1.telefonica.net ([213.4.138.17] helo=telefonica.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbmy5-00010e-In for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:10:14 +0100 Received: from IMPmailhost3.adm.correo ([10.20.102.124]) by IMPaqm1.telefonica.net with bizsmtp id JUka1j0172h2L9m3MWABPg; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 08:10:11 +0200 Received: from p1800 ([217.127.130.21]) by IMPmailhost3.adm.correo with BIZ IMP id JWAA1j00W0Tqill1jWABby; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 08:10:11 +0200 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-original-sender: 943452288234280@telefonica.net Message-ID: <001d01cd42e1$e04a6860$2101a8c0@p1800> From: "Federico" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 08:10:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 213.4.138.17 (impaqm1.telefonica.net) used invalid HELO/EHLO telefonica.net - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Friends, I have only 72 years, of which only 57 as a ham. At this time, I've seen enough to conclude that: [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [213.4.138.17 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (ea2hb[at]telefonica.net) -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: Re: LF: general Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445420576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fcda32313bd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Friends, I have only 72 years, of which only 57 as a ham. At this time, I've seen enough to conclude that: A. - Amateur radio is a prestigious industry honor that we belong. B. - The amateur radio encompasses many facets. C. - In addition to the technical aspects and communication, there are other very important as coordination, knowledge dissemination, etc. D. - In the field of coordination, I have seen too many leaders, forgetting the basics of amateur radio, seek collective orientation toward goals that look more like herding a flock of which are to be installed as chiefs. E. - Blacksheep.org, is a sector that is working very well. F. - I find it to be installed other discussion forums. G. - What positive is that something that works, is absorbed or replaced by something new which operate profitably be seen ?. H. - Conclusion: Follow Blacksheep and whoever other forums that prestigie. I. - This is not an amateur radio discussion obviously. 73 of Federico EA2HB ----- Original Message ----- From: "IK1WVQ Mauro" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: general > > > ... BASTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! > > > 73 de Mauro IK1WVQ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 02899100B2; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgGfK-0006HF-3R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:41:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgGfJ-0006H6-Ln for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:41:21 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgGfH-00079u-LY; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:41:20 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIOACPs3U9cF/D+/2dsb2JhbABFigaqHQEBAoErgQiCEwUBAQQBCAEBAyUBIwIhBQYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh3UJt0eLOBswGoEdgR6DGwONQ5degmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,426,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="395137829" Received: from host-92-23-240-254.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.254]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jun 2012 15:41:18 +0100 Message-ID: <002801cd4c97$3dee1c00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:41:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Several factors. During daytime hundreds of K/metres depending on Antennas and power. I can hear the German Beacond all day long Q5 and S3- 6 on 505 Khz I can work EI0CF all day every day on CW [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:469971680:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4fddeccb6947 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan Several factors. During daytime hundreds of K/metres depending on Antennas and power. I can hear the German Beacond all day long Q5 and S3- 6 on 505 Khz I can work EI0CF all day every day on CW I can also work the PA0 stns during daytime at S9 es plus I use proper antennas and not uProbes. The problem in most cases is poor Receiving because of poor antennas or noisy environment like LF During darkness there is enhanced propagation and world wide communications is possible, certainly the USA to the West and Moscow to the EAST The DX stations that I work have proper wire antennas eg Large Loops, inv L systems for both TX es RX LF es MF bands require Large antennas for consistant reliability for QSO purposes both RX as well as TX. It is easy to BEACON, all that is needed is an OSCILLATOR, and a piece of wire but to communicate on CW both ways is a different story. BEACON signal and QSL via Internet is EASY and that is where some go wrong and their EARS become LAZY and no good for a QSO. Small micro ferrite stick antennas work after a fashion but do not expect the same results as those stations with proper antennas for the job 73 De G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:03 PM Subject: LF: Further MF impressions > MF, > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in > the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is > significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see > that the band noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the > current setup. > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in > these first days... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AFDD2380000AE; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbGgS-0004rj-TW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:41:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbGgS-0004ra-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:41:52 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbGgQ-0003Kt-8f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:41:51 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AukFAOm8y09cHnUz/2dsb2JhbAA9AQaeT4UDkE+BCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYMCggGEQIKAQICAQGHbAMPq28NiU6KMWAhBYVqA4gNhTCSWYR7gmA+gRgJGQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,710,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="383094407" Received: from host-92-30-117-51.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.117.51]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 20:41:47 +0100 Message-ID: <008901cd41c0$e9ed6d30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> <003801cd41aa$bee050f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 19:40:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: It depends on your sense of humour. What you might consider rude or offensive other might not Bad language or slanderous remarks aimed at a persons are a different story. Off topic might have some relevence to the overall discussion and you suggest suspended membership. You seem to be the only one on here thinking along these lines. No one else seems concerned. If I remark that 500 Khz is quiet at present but at the same time indicate that 6 metres is buzzing does that constitute off topic with an automatic suspension or ban. and people are NOT perfectly happy on Yahoo as you say in your last paragraph. Have you missed what has been going on regarding the yahoo reflector from others around the world. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 719233b489c0727505743c30ad56ff81 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0086_01CD41C0.BEA89D20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fcbbe3b5543 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01CD41C0.BEA89D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It depends on your sense of humour. What you might consider rude or = offensive other might not Bad language or slanderous remarks aimed at a persons are a different = story. Off topic might have some relevence to the overall discussion and you = suggest suspended membership. You seem to be the only one on here = thinking along these lines. No one else seems concerned. If I remark that 500 Khz is quiet at present but at the same time = indicate that 6 metres is buzzing does that constitute off topic with an = automatic suspension or ban. and people are NOT perfectly happy on Yahoo as you say in your last = paragraph. Have you missed what has been going on regarding the yahoo = reflector from others around the world. =20 g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Mal (et al), Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on = moderation.=20 It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly = offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently = off-topic then the moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such = posts or even suspend membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if = people are respectful of others and post on-topic without getting = personal and offensive.=20 Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group where = most seem perfectly happy.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" wrote: How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20 Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back = indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons = like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his, this is = hardly encouraging or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any = organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort = to lies. Eddie ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01CD41C0.BEA89D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It depends on your sense of humour. What you = might=20 consider rude or offensive other might not
Bad language or slanderous remarks aimed at a=20 persons are a different story.
Off topic might have some relevence to the = overall=20 discussion and you suggest suspended membership. You seem to be the only = one on=20 here thinking along these lines. No one else seems = concerned.
If I remark that 500 Khz is quiet at present but = at the=20 same time indicate that 6 metres is buzzing does that constitute off = topic with=20 an automatic suspension or ban.
and people are NOT perfectly happy on = Yahoo as you=20 say in your last paragraph. Have you missed what has been going on = regarding the=20 yahoo reflector from others around the world.
 
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

Mal (et al),

Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views = on=20 moderation. 

It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly=20 offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently = off-topic=20 then the moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or = even=20 suspend membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are = respectful=20 of others and post on-topic without getting personal and=20 offensive. 

Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group = where=20 most seem perfectly happy. 

73s
Roger G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

How about an apology Eddie and a = confirmation from=20 G3XBM
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tony
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: = O.T.:=20 Reflector status

Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, = 2012 9:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An = "LF-reflector" Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. =
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 g3zjo
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, = 2012 4:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: = O.T.:=20 Reflector status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting = some time=20 back indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control = to ban=20 persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from = his,=20  this is hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth = operation=20 of any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or=20 BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself = but=20 please don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear All. Thank you for your help on the DECCA info, so far I have not tried a Class D or E PA , my 500kHz TX having a power MOSFET in pseudso Class C, with Class D & E how is the PA output impedance calculated, for the output transformer, would it be permitted to use either a Pi or L-C_L (as I have done) to match the PA to the variometer and loading coil? . 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Thank you for your help on the DECCA info, so far I have not tried a Class D or E PA , my 500kHz TX having a power MOSFET in pseudso Class C, with Class D & E how is the PA output impedance calculated, for the output transformer, would it be permitted to use either a Pi or L-C_L (as I have done) to match the PA to the variometer and loading coil? . 73s Ken M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CD474F.EA707740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear All.

Thank you for your help on the DECCA info, so = far I have not tried a Class D or E PA , my 500kHz TX having a power MOSFET in = pseudso Class C, with Class D & E how is the PA output impedance calculated, = for the output transformer, would it be permitted to use either a Pi or = L-C_L (as I have done) to match the PA to the variometer and loading coil? = .

 

73s

 

Ken

 

M0KHW

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CD474F.EA707740-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EFF1538000086; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgEVP-0005W2-36 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:22:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgEVO-0005Vt-I1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:22:58 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgEVM-0006d5-L0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:22:57 +0100 Received: from IMAP1 (balancer7.mediabeam.com [10.100.1.80]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5HCMsLx009447 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:22:54 +0200 Received: from [192.168.178.33] ([37.4.36.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpa.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5HCMqrK009431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:22:54 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDDCC1C.2070407@kabelmail.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:22:52 +0200 From: DK1IS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <783A29A942EF4534B7508BD285EB1DE2@White> In-Reply-To: <783A29A942EF4534B7508BD285EB1DE2@White> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Am 17.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester: > Dear MF enthusiasts, > I have employed my little FiFi-SDR to lash up a temporary MF receiver. > Fullband screenshots of 472 - 479 and 501 - 504 kHz are currently > available every 10 minutes: > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26404526/df6nm_MF.jpg > There is also a simple 40 W transmitter, able to radiate about 0.5 W > from my usual LF antenna. > Thanks very much to DK6NI, DJ2LF and DJ2EY for the nice CW QSOs during > the last three days, and also for the WSPR monitoring around 472.7 kHz > yesterday (G3HUH, M0PPP, "F59706", F6CNI, DF6MK, DL4MFC). > All good fun! > Best 73, > Markus > (DF6NM in Nuernberg JN59NJ) Hello Markus, [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4f449c45f7b1894a9195a328eedaeb30 Subject: Re: LF: MF activity Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090804010907060207070207" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479216832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fddcc717a0e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090804010907060207070207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 17.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester: > Dear MF enthusiasts, > I have employed my little FiFi-SDR to lash up a temporary MF receiver. > Fullband screenshots of 472 - 479 and 501 - 504 kHz are currently > available every 10 minutes: > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26404526/df6nm_MF.jpg > There is also a simple 40 W transmitter, able to radiate about 0.5 W > from my usual LF antenna. > Thanks very much to DK6NI, DJ2LF and DJ2EY for the nice CW QSOs during > the last three days, and also for the WSPR monitoring around 472.7 kHz > yesterday (G3HUH, M0PPP, "F59706", F6CNI, DF6MK, DL4MFC). > All good fun! > Best 73, > Markus > (DF6NM in Nuernberg JN59NJ) Hello Markus, thanks for the nice grabber - just have seen my signals the first time on MF! Testing with driver and LF-Marconi, abt 30 mW ERP. New PA with 8 x PL519 for LF and MF will follow - I`m sick and tired with those nervous MOSFETS ;-) 73, Tom, DK1IS JN59WK --------------090804010907060207070207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 17.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester:
Dear MF enthusiasts,
 
I have employed my little FiFi-SDR to lash up a temporary MF receiver. Fullband screenshots of 472 - 479 and 501 - 504 kHz are currently available every 10 minutes:
 
There is also a simple 40 W transmitter, able to radiate about 0.5 W from my usual LF antenna.
 
Thanks very much to DK6NI, DJ2LF and DJ2EY for the nice CW QSOs during the last three days, and also for the WSPR monitoring around 472.7 kHz yesterday (G3HUH, M0PPP, "F59706", F6CNI, DF6MK, DL4MFC).
 
All good fun!
 
Best 73,
Markus
 
(DF6NM in Nuernberg JN59NJ)
 
Hello Markus,

thanks for the nice grabber - just have seen my signals the first time on MF!  Testing with driver and LF-Marconi, abt 30 mW ERP. New PA with 8 x PL519 for LF and MF will follow - I`m sick and tired with those nervous MOSFETS ;-)

73,
Tom, DK1IS
JN59WK
--------------090804010907060207070207-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 29D6D38000090; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaoB5-0007Gt-KX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:15:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaoB5-0007Gk-0M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:15:35 +0100 Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaoAz-0005as-SF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:15:33 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 13:15:29 -0000 Received: from [212.82.109.128] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 13:15:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 13:15:29 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 36656.55927.bm@omp1020.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 57154 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2012 13:15:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338642928; bh=WWqlzIVtjssfHXfTN6VxSyccFSyg3wWWBsY7x6ZI5gI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Bs8l/hneVMQct/qqWuyQZ5VCIb4usL2fnMnxNhWOHsmBA88nd6Ee+L0aR+r5uTVXbaek8QoiYUlfPQZokeJguxV9W8P/4T2LmhXrvvjOltCIiMRyqIWpmhoCR6URGefQS/HIrjuhPAlKoufJGJwCZv+FJ8wczCBP5atIHjMxvuI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dpCODUXhg0Y3nO8M6sUa41V4EEvNGfPzLEEeBKE1Y5Oi3/QAT5DD3L1hhbBgYxFvVJtX5MPWBThgguN9XUw5Vnq5mFG2rMfjHykdEf3qmkmTgS0QwdDu2CXQFKh9FEG/FO2VbCssx777KXt/U4wuUnjMRnTimsRuFReQJZdTh9c=; X-YMail-OSG: 9NU2tkMVM1n_mK6vpbUS85fi37aSUQ9j2uVarrWDeUrTGYH BXJI1C5Q4Qxc0O_KSuz7GFU5hX94hDzuq3.bVlxgtqJXM6.mSBFKOK7H_3LO GKJAaB75rt7CfYO4gQneDZnsYUnWaSMM9OA5Roxz5AKPG7nsY21im4Yxn3N5 FWXfsf0o.NGRbbTJCapt8JectrfZKhP76fSUQ8I4uLSq4K7QMk_PkMHHDi5Y OpW_hE6H1EVNYQxALy10w7xue.mAqIStT12MDGKFgGG4EneXQUBZ1D6eOMT4 cyW_MVFupprCIizUsW1T5Yk6oROT1IMpVYXUet.QxnIAEkKgl_BErZRl_3u9 sR5k0yp2DGNXI7nTY0EbPZfR0iNR65gqtJ0rcB6QMte7JV67h.aSarM_CviA iO8FLlYwfbYy1v5F.NTeQ15iMepbUhqI4TjmAKHK3v3oTGtUrTY7VdtMNDE1 nCJqK0r0YRgflf1Dg3uxiggJdw4_6SEru Received: from [86.164.62.42] by web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:15:28 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Message-ID: <1338642928.56058.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:15:28 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Paul as near as I can measure 503.276kc/s from a cold counter. Tnx for your interest. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Clemens Paul To: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 12:58 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.90 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f1498eebf16822c5ea85527a90413169 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-710997623-1338642928=:56058" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448913344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m006.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fca122f43a5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-710997623-1338642928=:56058 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AHi Paul as near as I can measure 503.276kc/s from a cold counter. Tnx= for your interest.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_______________= _________________=0A From: Clemens Paul =0ATo: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org =0ACc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk =0ASent: Saturday, = 2 June 2012, 12:58=0ASubject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A = =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0A>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting =0A=C2=A0 =0AWhat is= the actual tx qrg then? =0AJust for exactly looking if the signal is visib= le at =0Aall. =0A=C2=A0 =0A73=0AClemens=0ADL4RAJ =0A----- Original Message = ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Sat= urday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM =0A>Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB = RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.=0A>=0A>73 Pete FMT=0A> =0A>=0A>73 es = GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>=C2=A0 = =0A>E-Mail ist virenfrei.=0A>Von AVG =0A =C3=BCberpr=C3=BCft - www.avg.de= =0A>Version: 2012.0.2178 =0A / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 0= 1.06.2012 ---357169082-710997623-1338642928=:56058 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H= i Paul as near as I can measure 503.276kc/s from a cold counter. Tnx for yo= ur interest.
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---357169082-710997623-1338642928=:56058-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 86C1438018396; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh2GF-0004aW-58 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:30:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh2GE-0004aN-Nj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:30:38 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh2GD-0005Ew-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:30:37 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEKACW24E9cHY3C/2dsb2JhbABFtDoDgS2BCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDSQImBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBAQklFAEECBIGFggGEwoBAgIBAYdsAwYJqEWHUQ2JTopMY2IsgXCDGwOIEIU0kmCEfoJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,438,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="396411149" Received: from host-92-29-141-194.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.141.194]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 18:30:35 +0100 Message-ID: <006e01cd4e41$3ba3e550$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0AA6F.8020903@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:30:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dex We have both here round es square. The big round ones are hard to handle es the sq ones more convenient and in my case they are for horses. The horse GIRLS can get their arms around the sq ones and not the others !!!!!!!! When cutting hay here the only problem might be a pheasants nest es brood , we cut around it when possible. It looks like you understand the country aspect whereas the majority are town dwellers and do not even know what a bale is !!!!!!! I have another QTH in Tyrone NI with a similar situation Masts es Hay !! You cannot beat the wide open spaces with room for masts, wires es wires and plenty of ERP and reception where you can hear a PIN drop !! [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448652576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fe0b7872587 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dex We have both here round es square. The big round ones are hard to handle es the sq ones more convenient and in my case they are for horses. The horse GIRLS can get their arms around the sq ones and not the others !!!!!!!! When cutting hay here the only problem might be a pheasants nest es brood , we cut around it when possible. It looks like you understand the country aspect whereas the majority are town dwellers and do not even know what a bale is !!!!!!! I have another QTH in Tyrone NI with a similar situation Masts es Hay !! You cannot beat the wide open spaces with room for masts, wires es wires and plenty of ERP and reception where you can hear a PIN drop !! de mal/Scarborough ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:35 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 > mal hamilton wrote: > > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > > > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. Hay > bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have loaded hay > bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for live snake > heads sticking out of the bales :) > > Dex > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6295C38000084; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkKB1-0007sj-Ec for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:14:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkKB0-0007sa-Tn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:14:50 +0100 Received: from mailout04.t-online.de ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkKAz-0005C6-0P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:14:49 +0100 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de (fwd08.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1SkKAx-00050c-Tc; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:14:47 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (VOnuQZZBohxv9OuUpGciwqL2brW4fhkV5XmRnxeLh+TpAuf3VNdzPcIixpfh0FVZAf@[84.147.167.185]) by fwd08.t-online.de with esmtp id 1SkKAw-0xawAS0; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:14:46 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <05d3d5e3bc614c2a8de1c7665bc3e36a@kabelmail.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:14:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: VOnuQZZBohxv9OuUpGciwqL2brW4fhkV5XmRnxeLh+TpAuf3VNdzPcIixpfh0FVZAf X-TOI-MSGID: 96af838e-b3bc-4c73-b0e1-c906bcb85e96 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sri, Uwe, for wrong reading. But QRP has a chance too :-) 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.18 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 16a6530e4735ccb856cf9bc7c6cb9773 Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01CD5573.0AEAEA60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489617664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fecad59420d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01CD5573.0AEAEA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sri, Uwe, for wrong reading. But QRP has a chance too :-) 73 Walter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Walter, 1W output means abt 0.006W ERP. what a difference to your 1W ERP! GL Uwe/dj8wx -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 19:10 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Uwe, DJ2LF and DK6NI do not use more than 1W ERP. Maybe your QTH has = lower noise than ours here near Erlangen. We will meet - i am sure. But sri. 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in jo43sv. the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz. the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn. so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient. GL Uwe/dj89wx -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 06:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into = a schematic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01CD5573.0AEAEA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sri, Uwe, for wrong reading. But QRP = has a chance=20 too :-)
73
Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de =
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 = 7:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 = kHz PA=20 running at 12 VDC

Hi=20 Walter,
1W output means abt 0.006W ERP.
what a difference to = your 1W=20 ERP!
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Gesendet:=20 28.06.2012 19:10
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Betreff:=20 Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Uwe, DJ2LF = and DK6NI do=20 not use more than 1W ERP. Maybe your QTH has lower noise than ours = here near=20 Erlangen.
We will meet = - i am=20 sure. But sri.
73   Walter=20 DJ2LF
 
----- Original Message -----
From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de =
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, = June 28, 2012=20 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: = RE: 472 kHz=20 PA running at 12 VDC

Hi all,

last = two nights=20 on the air:
oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in = jo43sv.

the=20 rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz.

the = above=20 stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn.

so the ears here are OK = but the=20 output pwr of 1W seems = insufficient.

GL
Uwe/dj89wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Gesendet:=20 28.06.2012 06:35
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Betreff:=20 LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone=20 is interested i may convert the=20 = circuit from my mind into= a=20 schematic as a png file.

 

Always interested=20 ;-)

 

73,=20 Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T

------=_NextPart_000_006B_01CD5573.0AEAEA60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B6473800009F; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sc2K7-0000Mv-KB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 23:33:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sc2K6-0000Mm-Se for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 23:33:58 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sc2K4-0003eb-Dl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 23:33:57 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q55MXswR025572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 00:33:54 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q55MXswS014601 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 00:33:54 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCE88F7.1040507@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 00:32:23 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF! This night i will transmit on 136.172 kHz again using DFCW-90. One of the goals is the YV7MAE grabber (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html) which is still using a omnidirectional receive antenna. Success is unlikely but its always worth to expect the "impossible" as we know! The TX power is somewhat reduced to -5 dB f.s. Reports apprechiated. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: aee9e5eeb35c86f052d502ac97832558 Subject: LF: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435414624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fce89be52f5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LF! This night i will transmit on 136.172 kHz again using DFCW-90. One of the goals is the YV7MAE grabber (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html) which is still using a omnidirectional receive antenna. Success is unlikely but its always worth to expect the "impossible" as we know! The TX power is somewhat reduced to -5 dB f.s. Reports apprechiated. 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 778DB380000F4; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfWha-0002WS-3v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:36:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfWhZ-0002WJ-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:36:37 +0100 Received: from nm5-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.202]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfWhX-0006My-So for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:36:36 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2012 13:36:33 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.135] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2012 13:36:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2012 13:36:33 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 923039.87665.bm@omp1040.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 39622 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2012 13:36:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1339767393; bh=n9x4wst2JobxMN+oUfcqAvvuFmaALMcvr0NMuMR5Jb4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TMgD+Hos7VBZxCfjw5o1wfOPAWPy9MkLVXvg02k1yGQHKpAbqwFxWytiTZVSthLPMmEgh3C8em5EJT7i1ZOZw25Vi0LpbpF/xgSFFowQCz0e2Ie8fhkTIgrSIf6Jz6fxXb1jOlmUbribQWHKwPTCJ1csiGdaeFDD3FsO2E0QY7w= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=apdkwJhSAl5zg42Qy3ZRgcjgpMm4GRHDczCa0Aras0jnq17MQpfhKu7cmzL8PkkJUCFU0dP9WzlmXuqkwez2KTyg/kAWsN/rm/pPlwT7Dz+MY7liLsEyFal7rMfUX1Ah9iE2WPQJVRPmv/YoAxVMQAa8w/sQ02rBHrw2O10Uf68=; X-YMail-OSG: vkoD7ywVM1mbvwPxuroBfiU3auGkWcc1tntJQGWZyFtquAC 1gjXJlgf9L9Ojo9A.ayv0sTVdtn6j1rCW96k1ImwGYE2kQhjX_s6GCMLrs65 wXXtsZEK.IrSnod.RupYeELN6eocCtl2QEgKWum40vtK3EXcouoHQPv8r5Bt Ahg.AVR1O77cnxODVBQOt5bNpoYdaTGt_ceU7pKxFta04TdkINO6BdRSySA9 BEMaeqYPaZNxpwJ6hehasaEdbyExOExQZrH4uXqLFPbbAntNWjnKd9c2eRwj oee33iRaiJJFT1PXZa5mg5y1d3fCKRPefdEEAuwTwk1G.NWSSb15Vi1f8vqn DVT6S3HVbckPFzqH5Kr07gi5gh2Y24Tr2jpFZD.ty0FjL9vOeDOYvSZuoPA_ UGzi6F0O_OQQPs90BPFvW4Z.HTu2Cs1B4Vw2ZuR7DFmeeZYEp Received: from [86.164.58.72] by web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:36:33 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1339767393.38173.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:36:33 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I'd go with that Albert. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Albert To: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.202 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1507048413-342181127-1339767393=:38173" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425960512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fdb3aa03293 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror --1507048413-342181127-1339767393=:38173 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd go with that Albert.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A__________= ______________________=0A From: Albert =0ATo: rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54=0ASubject: Re: LF:= RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??=0A =0AG,=0A=0AJust to start the dis= cussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz.=0A=0A73, Albert --1507048413-342181127-1339767393=:38173 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd go with that Al= bert.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=
= From: Albert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54<= br> Subject: Re: LF: RE: N= ew Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

G,

Just to start the discussion,= my proposal is dial 477 kHz.

73, Albert





--1507048413-342181127-1339767393=:38173-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8BC9A3800009D; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShFkf-0000yD-RD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:54:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShFkf-0000y4-Co for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:54:57 +0100 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShFkd-0000dm-2I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:54:56 +0100 Received: from 3capp-webde-bs09.dlan.cinetic.de ( [172.19.170.9]) by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3663376EA6E3 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:54:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [84.63.98.127] by 3capp-webde-bs09 with HTTP; Wed Jun 20 09:54:54 CEST 2012 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?Q?=22Horst_St=C3=B6cker=22?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:54:54 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/5BS/NFOlaZTe9GehDvFC1I5Z+ptdBc/+gJmGjNa0fAnRHu9Frc6W9 icorVCZGJ21uuUKjfp3Wd44TGXGrJnp3xDg0ks+QYA9/bBcL4Z8+S8rTPFJUfzwI X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012? The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really? [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.72.192.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (horst.stoecker[at]web.de) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_ONLY,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:399102752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4fe1820847a7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none
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The=20DARC,=20espec= ially=20DK4VW,=20made=20a=20big=20deal.=20Really?
The=20new= =20allocation=20will=20only=20ge=20for=20the=20class=20A,=20not=20for=20the= =20class=20E.=20Whats=20so=20funny=20about?=20With=20DI2AN=20I=20was=20allo= wed=20to=20transmit=20with=20max.=209W=20ERP.=20Anyone=20-=20not=20just=20H= AMs=20-=20still=20can=20get=20these=20licences=20in=20germany.=20As=20HAM= =20with=20class=20E=20even=20not=201W=20ERP=20-=20just=20nothing.
It's=20a=20similar=20situation=20as=20with=20the=20HAM=20band=20>2= 50GHz.=20But=20with=20one=20Difference:=20When=20>250GHz=20became=20a=20= HAM=20band=20in=20DL=20the=20RegTP=20(now=20BNetzA)=20remembered=20that=20t= here=20were=20experimental=20stations=20(like=20my=20DA5FS)=20with=20every= =20kind=20of=20licences.=20So=20one=20decided=20for=20the=20only=20logical= =20consequence:=20>250THz=20ist=20still=20allocated=20to=20class=20A=20A= ND=20E=20HAMs.
Really=20a=20big=20deal=20about=20492kHz!=20I= =20know=20ones=20more=20why=20I=20left=20the=20club!
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Ihr=20WEB.DE=20Postfach=20immer=20dabei:=20die=20kostenlose=20= WEB.DE=20Mail=20App=20für=20iPhone=20und=20Android.   <= br>htt= ps://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/= =0D=0A From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0A69738000088; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 05:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHvn-00064X-Bj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:26:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHvm-00064O-Pd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:26:02 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdHvk-0003Nu-TI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:26:01 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAMsV009cHYYc/2dsb2JhbABFgkWyE4EIghMFAQEFCAEBAyApAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQoeBxQBBBoGDQkIBhMKAQICAQGHfrg8iyeCToMbA4gNhTGXW4Jg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="37712281" Received: from host-92-29-134-28.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.134.28]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 10:26:00 +0100 Message-ID: <005e01cd4621$e0d34660$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <000001cd461f$4d2fef50$e78fcdf0$@com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:25:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks Terry. Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW where information can be exchanged in a few minutes. Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong and both ends have suitable antennas. 73 es GL de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: eec106d36eb876515d296e51093c048c Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01CD4621.E0A3AAE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:505111168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fd316dc7818 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CD4621.E0A3AAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Terry. Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW = where information can be exchanged in a few minutes. Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. = There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong = and both ends have suitable antennas.=20 73 es GL de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry GW0EZY=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !! =20 Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. =20 73 Terry =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40 To: rsgb Cc: rsgb Subject: LF: 136.5 now =20 LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call =20 de g3kev =20 ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CD4621.E0A3AAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Terry.
Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. = So nice=20 to QSO in CW where information can be exchanged in a few = minutes.
Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for = communications on LF. There is no need for long winded QRS when the = signals are=20 fairly strong and both ends have suitable antennas.
73 es GL de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Terry = GW0EZY
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 = 9:07=20 AM
Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 = now

Nice=20 to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV=20 !!

 

Mal=20 your RST 589 Mike your RST 579.

 

73=20 Terry

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal=20 hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40
To: = rsgb
Cc:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: 136.5 = now

 

LF

Now CQ on=20 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call

 

de=20 g3kev

 

------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CD4621.E0A3AAE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6F036380000E8; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd0gy-0008Om-Gx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:01:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd0gy-0008Ob-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:01:36 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd0gw-000828-9S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:01:35 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnQJABIT0k9cHnWs/2dsb2JhbABFigGpHASBLYEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMlASMCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh3UJB7kaiyZCgiWDGQONPpdbgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,377,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="393884226" Received: from host-92-30-117-172.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.117.172]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Jun 2012 16:01:33 +0100 Message-ID: <002301cd4587$970dadd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:01:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: If I thought you could receive me I would TX even xband LF/MF. Have you improved your RX es antenna. I would be on CW only because QRSS is not necessary around EU G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: LF: Fieldday [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: c1f72e5acb1277e013f90c915ad7ad68 Subject: LF: Re: Fieldday Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:400923072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fd213f82d2c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none If I thought you could receive me I would TX even xband LF/MF. Have you improved your RX es antenna. I would be on CW only because QRSS is not necessary around EU G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: LF: Fieldday > LF! > > Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and > experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and > shapes will be tested. > The locator will be JN49FV26GJ > (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49FV26GJ). If someone of the others > offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some images to > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html > Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I > will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4803F380000AD; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shj6O-0008JG-5c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:15:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shj6N-0008J7-Bp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:15:19 +0100 Received: from nm21-vm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.207]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shj6J-0007vo-IR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:15:18 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm21.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 15:15:14 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.117] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 15:15:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 15:15:14 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 382180.54190.bm@omp1026.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 93330 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2012 15:15:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340291714; bh=8AK6kwjPQzEJX6Gd/b0U7xbctq7sGz3JAAvhIcd21Xc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LZrHIW3qBp6J5fS8V5q1BBAQVHUL0NKrAj7ZcZRShY8vzUwRhbqPnfEj3cX64w3UWXcghIjqG4vNWX0fR/Yd8kMWJHeWfo9hexH+/aY8TGQ4/u8bCVQ6Of/lSzMcop6A22mZxCfiZBYRdXv0DMF1XjdPsuBtkiJGrOz98c0LNUA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eJh+YCddehIicfPhfR6WXW7/dZZxUExLaOxrQOu8Y0oOU5sjiVxWFk3SPImsxNkzWzgXtAqsaCCIyk3748AviRG8ykQdIb1+CqgykHp9R56E31+qC3WAnO24LqmFUrYO74Cb8qSetj9VnqIfxmGpdWB7ofERx8PKRWXVuXkQG7g=; X-YMail-OSG: WdXKsZ8VM1mMrJ0Rmq6PFyh6uJJv__TMU9._o8bALZkW38z aRGuytEuwvpuLsNhP8zbbNFBgOd7OqB_YPNi7lI_E.YUBqmY20xy.zOJxvio HBsxKmo.TZTu3k_4LBiAT12U5fklp7Aer34rZG2adWN_6P8KeE9R5MNyxi9p ygAarfRt5o6vqAoIUxSW_m7_ee6ykT8C1vG9DC7Wv1QIzOkc.8w8fnc3po17 2Ccet10AOV4vQrVDEDor9o0QipvgcFMhlAfTcNgYT.YmIjbnqLFQt.wBhbO6 a6.djTQC1whKYsCHDDP9T.KfpFYkDpbLs.6yygdih.WMDo2_C8G46V6a8kvK lnypMFDdbWa17d.gulNhSXFfJVGSvXqaj8gum_7916aTgbV1fUDl.by8dVcl ScPveagl.j5xgfASZRVD_yi.y0urILdGgVsteGGHHMWQ6HxRVPvzHKQo9uoR oBZDmQ.qclHSkXZDMCWxl9.KdVPAfT_fNWpQkk7d2kFLdUvK0Zf1G4S2Oqcf JWbncQco8bpxNv.ZOmVoS8WTEUIS4VGswpvDf7mq9OSLFps96CXJyFUFhFVE zIR5DyJWnUAeo68fyCMGCj4cbAJUP73Gg.QNuC.k9Q.DR3HqoNei2UCDnVPI xdhbqrRwmLut3U2uaZuDMU.H5OJI9mE2grYBEj3yugbodnGsRq88jqiHJcpK P6KzLjdbIbEPuDOwmCLSktOlK0FD9D7I7KISdYu2QWZJ7D5oZ42ar_TbmOiJ schz1apT424hGQSJF75x.lnu6RmnyfITa2cQUOS_JN4LaRB2NBCaxqr6fRMd TONaKV1fqzubJnc7GUyyWHryQMY3PUuhdlrmCwKe5FdAF.3h7_8Sm8dQuTOY m0gZWSMF09DiY15ZDoBVc0EJjTWR40McwSruJwBT1GmNLejjiECJbfLplSpG x2XZbyi1Lnulp2_YAyPuLLmpV Received: from [86.164.69.177] by web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:15:13 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4388E8F39C5@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> <1340272951.77171.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <7C98FC26BC0347BABE8E19197AEB241D@AGB> Message-ID: <1340291713.90922.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:15:13 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <7C98FC26BC0347BABE8E19197AEB241D@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham Yep it's Ham Radio Graham, but not as we know it. BTW, Do you get the feeling there's an echo somewhere on this reflector?? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.108.207 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 58067cca381a9a29d283a47426ceb5b1 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1156544886-1340291713=:90922" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:423456192:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m238.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fe33add5207 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1156544886-1340291713=:90922 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AHi Graham=0A=0AYep it's Ham Radio Graham, but not as we know it.=0A= =0ABTW, Do you get the feeling there's an echo somewhere on this reflector?= ?=0A=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A______________________________= __=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org =0ASent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 14:40=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs= =0A =0A=0A =0AWell=C2=A0=C2=A0 unintended=C2=A0=C2=A0 consequence=C2=A0=C2= =A0 may=C2=A0 =0Abe playing=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 part=C2=A0 in this=C2=A0 as well = , by the=C2=A0 time =0Athe=C2=A0 project=C2=A0 was=C2=A0 finished ,I think= =C2=A0 =C2=A0it=C2=A0 =0Awas=C2=A0 out of=C2=A0 economic =C2=A0production= =C2=A0 range=C2=A0 =C2=A0, =0Athe=C2=A0 rest=C2=A0 is on-going history=C2= =A0 as=C2=A0 development costs=C2=A0 =0Aprobably=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 not=C2=A0= be=C2=A0 re-claimed , its=C2=A0 cheap=C2=A0 =0A, but=C2=A0 not=C2=A0 that= =C2=A0 cheap=C2=A0 ,=C2=A0 same as=C2=A0 lots=C2=A0 =0Aof=C2=A0 posts=C2=A0= about=C2=A0 making=C2=A0=C2=A0 digital=C2=A0 =0Aback-ends=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 = older=C2=A0 HF=C2=A0 radios=C2=A0 ...eh !=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A, =C2=A310=C2=A0 s= oft rock=C2=A0 or=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 dongel=C2=A0 , job=C2=A0 done , =0Asomethin= g=C2=A0 in qst / qex=C2=A0 looks=C2=A0 10=C2=A0 years too=C2=A0 =0Alate=C2= =A0 , why not a=C2=A0 Leakey=C2=A0 grid=C2=A0 6c4 =C2=A0AM detector , =0Aif= =C2=A0 you=C2=A0 want to=C2=A0 go=C2=A0 retro =0A=0A24=C2=A0 bit=C2=A0 com= pared to the=C2=A0 8 bit=C2=A0 USB-TV=C2=A0=C2=A0 , =0Abut=C2=A0 apparently= =C2=A0 that's=C2=A0 not the=C2=A0 problem that=C2=A0 =0Amight=C2=A0 be=C2= =A0 imagined ......Ive one=C2=A0 sitting=C2=A0 in the=C2=A0 box =0A,=C2=A0 = still=C2=A0 slowly=C2=A0 working down the=C2=A0 things to=C2=A0 do=C2=A0 = =0Alist ......... now=C2=A0 one that=C2=A0=C2=A0 Tx over that=C2=A0 range= =C2=A0 . =0Athat=C2=A0 would be=C2=A0 handy ! =0A=0AG.. =0A=0A =0AFrom: M0= FMT =0ASent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A =0A =0AHi Marco =0A=0ABeware = vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not =0Acheap!!!!!! T= his whole exercise exposes =0Athe dark side of ham radio publishing. I coul= d say more but suffice to say the DVB-T stick is probably a lower spec than= that. But not at a ratio of =0A10 to 1!!! =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX= =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Scholz, Marco " =0ATo: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" =0A =0ASent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, =0A10:30=0ASubject: RE: LF: = SDR =0Aprograms=0A=0A=0A =0AHello =0APete, =0AI =0Abought a Funcube Dongle = (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it=E2=80=99s very impressive =0Ahow thi= s small USB stick works. =0AI =0Acompared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my= converter and could receive with the =0AFuncube dongle many stations via S= poradic E nearly with the same signal =0Astrength. =0ASDR =0Aprogram is SDR= -Radio http://sdr-radio.com/ =0A=C2=A0 =0Avy73 =0AMarco, =0ADD7PC =0A=C2=A0= =0AFrom:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT=0ASent: 20 June 2012 20:40=0ATo: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms =0A=0AHi all =0ASave= those precious Euros because you =0Adon=E2=80=99t know how long they will = be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s=C2=A0 =0ABorIP app and Ex= tIO.USRP DLL using=C2=A0 ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (c= hip set) DVB-T USB =0Astick. =0AThese DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are abou= t =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK source and =0Acover about 50megs to 1.7gigs a= nd with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the cheap =0Away or expensive Monolit= hic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or similar =0Ablock mixer; you too= can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF =0Acoverage for peanu= ts all run off the USB supply just add antenna. =0AOh and guess what the s= tick gets you all your local digital TV stations =0Awith record facility an= d all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80=99s not enough =0Aall your= local FM BC as well.=C2=A0 Not a lot of people know =0Athat! =0AURLs apply= =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 =0Ahttps://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_p= roduct=3D239 =0Ahttp://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compat= ibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/ =0AYou won=E2=80=99t read about =0Athis i= n Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) =0AYy 73=C2=A0 Pete =0AM0fmt =0A=C2=A0 =0A= =0A=C2=A0 =0A73 es GL Pete =0AM0FMT IO91UX =0AFrom:Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer =0A<= Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0ASent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, =0A18:40=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs = =0A=0AHi =0APiotr,=0A=0AThanks for the overview of programs. That's what i = searched =0Afor.=0ABut maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assume= d a SDR software =0Ais also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are t= he programs you're =0Areferring on usable for both, IQ and mono?=0AWell, i'= m waiting for one of my SL =0Ateachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If the= re is a solution in SpecLab i would =0Aprefer that i think...=0A=0ABest 73,= Stefan/DK7FC=0A=0A> Hi Stefan, =0ALF=0A> =0A> i have SDR-IQ receiver from= =C2=A0 RFSpace. The primary =0Asupporting software for all their sdr=C2=A0 = hardware is Spectravue.=0A> you =0Acan download this program from the rfspa= ce site:=0A> =0A> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html=0A> =0A> i= do recommend this program=C2=A0 although it is sligthly difficult to =0Age= t started.=0A> However,=C2=A0 once you get familiar with it you will like = =0Ait:)=0A> =0A> on a "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/=C2=A0 you w= ill also find =0Aa link to sdr -radio:=0A> =0A> http://www.sdr-radio.com/= =0A> =0A>=C2=A0 =0Athey have a very powerful radio console which looks like= a regular transceiver =0Afront side=0A>=C2=A0 It has many many different o= ptions - of course, it does =0Atake time to learn all of them but the basic= setup is rather easy..=0A> =0A> i also recommend=C2=A0 HDSDR software:=C2= =A0 http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html=0A> very intuitive and easy =0Ato use.= =0A> =0A> Well, there is a growing number of sdr software =0Asupporting=C2= =A0 sdr hardware.=C2=A0 an example of such collection of sdr =0Aprograms yo= u can find here:=0A> =0A> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcar= d_sdr_software=0A> =0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yours, Piotr= , SQ7MPJ=0A> =0A> qth: Lodz =0A/jo91rs/=0A> =0A> --435439028-1156544886-1340291713=:90922 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H= i Graham
 
Yep it's Ham Radio Graham, but not as w= e know it.
 
BTW, Do you get the feeling there's a= n echo somewhere on this reflector??

73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 14:4= 0
Subject: Re: LF: SDR= programs

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Well&= nbsp;  unintended   consequence   may  =0Abe = playing  a  part  in this  as well , by the  time = =0Athe  project  was  finished ,I think   it = =0Awas  out of  economic  production  range  &nbs= p;, =0Athe  rest  is on-going history  as  development = costs  =0Aprobably  will  not  be  re-claimed , it= s  cheap  =0A, but  not  that  cheap  , = same as  lots  =0Aof  posts  about  making &= nbsp; digital  =0Aback-ends  for  older  HF  radio= s  ...eh !   =0A, =C2=A310  soft rock  or  a&= nbsp; dongel  , job  done , =0Asomething  in qst / qex = looks  10  years too  =0Alate  , why not a  Leake= y  grid  6c4  AM detector , =0Aif  you  want to&nb= sp; go  retro
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24  bit  com= pared to the  8 bit  USB-TV   , =0Abut  apparently=   that's  not the  problem that  =0Amight  be = ; imagined ......Ive one  sitting  in the  box =0A,  st= ill  slowly  working down the  things to  do  =0Al= ist ......... now  one that   Tx over that  range = . =0Athat  would be  handy !
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From: M0FMT =0A
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM
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Subject: Re: LF: SDR progra= ms
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Hi Marco=0A
 
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Beware vested interests we are talking cheap h= ere, Funcube is not =0Acheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes =0Athe dark side of ham radio p= ublishing. I could say more but s= uffice to say the DVB-T stick is probably a lower spec than that. But not at a ratio of =0A1= 0 to 1!!!
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: "Scholz, Ma= rco " <marco.scholz@citi.com<= /a>>
To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org'" =0A<rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, =0A10:30
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Hello =0AP= ete,
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I =0Abou= ght a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it=E2=80=99s very = impressive =0Ahow this small USB stick works.
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I =0Acompared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube wi= th my converter and could receive with the =0AFuncube dongle many stations = via Sporadic E nearly with the same signal =0Astrength.
=0ASDR =0Aprogram is SDR-Radio http://sdr= -radio.com/
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v= y73
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Marco, = =0ADD7PC
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From: =0Aowner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] =0AOn Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 2= 0 June 2012 20:40
To: =0Arsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subje= ct: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms
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<= span style=3D'color: black; font-family: "serif";'>Hi all
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Save those precious Euros because you =0Adon=E2=80=99t know how= long they will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  =0A= BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultr= a-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB =0Astick. =0A<= /div>
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These DV= B-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK source and = =0Acover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the= cheap =0Away or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 = or similar =0Ablock mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX wi= th DC to UHF =0Acoverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add an= tenna. =0A
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=0AOh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations =0Awith record facility and all your local Digital radio and if th= at=E2=80=99s not enough =0Aall your local FM BC as well.  Not a lot of= people know =0Athat!
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URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
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You wo= n=E2=80=99t read about =0Athis in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0)
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Yy 73  Pete =0AM0fmt
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73 es GL Pete =0AM0FMT IO91UX
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From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer =0A<S= tefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: =0Arsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, =0A18:40
Subjec= t: Re: LF: SDR programs
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Hi =0APiotr,
Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched =0Afor.
Bu= t maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software =0Ai= s also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs you're = =0Areferring on usable for both, IQ and mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one = of my SL =0Ateachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution i= n SpecLab i would =0Aprefer that i think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> Hi Stefan, =0ALF
>
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from&nbs= p; RFSpace. The primary =0Asupporting software for all their sdr  hard= ware is Spectravue.
> you =0Acan download this program from the rfspa= ce site:
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> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE= /SVDownload.html
> =0A
> i do recommend this program  = although it is sligthly difficult to =0Aget started.
> However, = once you get familiar with it you will like =0Ait:)
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> on a = "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/  you will also find =0Aa lin= k to sdr -radio:
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> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
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&= gt;  =0Athey have a very powerful radio console which looks like a reg= ular transceiver =0Afront side
>  It has many many different opt= ions - of course, it does =0Atake time to learn all of them but the basic s= etup is rather easy..
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> i also recommend  HDSDR soft= ware:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very intuitive an= d easy =0Ato use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr s= oftware =0Asupporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collecti= on of sdr =0Aprograms you can find here:
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> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_s= oftware
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>            &n= bsp;       =0A            &nbs= p;         =0A           =           =0A        yours, P= iotr, SQ7MPJ
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent poll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to Yahoo, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either place or both. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.210.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: b1e5ebccbad86c8ca1fd46d24f0285de Subject: LF: Blacksheep and Yahoo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33d5bed055d904c3117d8c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:310624992:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m009.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fe492f777f5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --047d7b33d5bed055d904c3117d8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent poll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to Yahoo, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either place or both. Personally I think we need to either: (a) Keep day-to-day posts on Blacksheep and use the Yahoo group *just* as an LF/MF/VLF archiving facility where links, schematics, pictures and screenshots etc can be kept for the long-term i.e. *not* post day-to-day sked type messages on Yahoo. or (b) Fully migrate to Yahoo and close the Blacksheep reflector. We all want the best way of communicating LF/MF/VLF news and information and we also want the ability to archive important and helpful data for newcomers and history. As long as this is achieved most of us don't mind how. I proposed a full move to a Yahoo group as it allows both quick email type messaging and archiving. IMHO this is still the better option, but it is not my place to dictate what experienced LFers prefer. * *Constructive and helpful comments please. 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ --047d7b33d5bed055d904c3117d8c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent p= oll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to Yaho= o, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either place= or both.

Personally I think we need to either:

(a) Keep day-to-day posts= on Blacksheep and use the Yahoo group just as an=20 LF/MF/VLF archiving facility where links, schematics, pictures and screensh= ots etc can be kept for the long-term i.e. not post day-to-day sked type=20 messages on Yahoo.

or

(b) Fully migrate to Yahoo and close th= e Blacksheep reflector.

We all want the best way of communicating LF/MF/VLF news and information and we also want the ability to archive important and helpful data for=20 newcomers and history. As long as this is achieved most of us don't min= d how.

I proposed a full move to a Yahoo group as it allows both qui= ck email type messaging and archiving. IMHO this is still the better option= , but it is not my place to dictate what experienced LFers prefer.

Constructive and helpful comments please.

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--047d7b33d5bed055d904c3117d8c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8BFA438000093; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgHNL-0006lM-KP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:26:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgHNL-0006lD-5U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:26:51 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgHNJ-0007Op-CA; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:26:50 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIOAPL23U9cF/D+/2dsb2JhbABFigaqHQEBAoErgQiCEwUBAQQBCAEBAyUBIwIhBQYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh2wDBgm3QopWYgoKBzAagR2BHoMbA41Dl16CYIFW X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,426,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="396193545" Received: from host-92-23-240-254.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.254]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jun 2012 16:26:45 +0100 Message-ID: <004201cd4c9d$97c6ff70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <360DB78560C94BDDB6ED8173E08935E7@gnat> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:26:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Alan I work both 160 metres and 600 metres and find both similar. Daytime range and night time similar. but you must compare like with like power and antenna wise. I use a 1/4 wave inv L on each band up at 100 ft vertical, but naturally the 600 metre antenna is less efficient than the 160 metre therefore one has to adjust the power on 160 to get the same erp for comparison purposes. In my case 10w erp on each band For those fiddling about with 400w pep on 160 and a variety of antennas and unknown erp and those with a few watts on 600 metres and often very small antennas you cannot draw any rational comparison I can work over the same distances daytime on 160 or 600 and after dark the same applies to dx locations. [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473141632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fddf7690a87 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Alan I work both 160 metres and 600 metres and find both similar. Daytime range and night time similar. but you must compare like with like power and antenna wise. I use a 1/4 wave inv L on each band up at 100 ft vertical, but naturally the 600 metre antenna is less efficient than the 160 metre therefore one has to adjust the power on 160 to get the same erp for comparison purposes. In my case 10w erp on each band For those fiddling about with 400w pep on 160 and a variety of antennas and unknown erp and those with a few watts on 600 metres and often very small antennas you cannot draw any rational comparison I can work over the same distances daytime on 160 or 600 and after dark the same applies to dx locations. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:54 PM Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions > Stefan, the groundwave does not change, but what you have is varying amounts > of skywave and daytime "fading" The wavelength is only a quarter of that at > 136kHz so it only tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) reflection > height to give the same sort of constrctive and destructive interference. > 500kHz does not travel over land so well as the surface "roughness" is > bigger wrt a wavelength ( but even rough seas are generally less "rough" > than land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency and quite different to both > 136 and top-band. There are times of the day when the fading can be vicious > at relatively short range Also with the shorter wavelength most antenna > height limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at 136kHz > > Enjoy the new "playground" :-)) > > Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Schfer" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:03 PM > Subject: LF: Further MF impressions > > > > MF, > > > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the > > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly > > lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the band > > noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. > > > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in > > these first days... > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 600A83800008F; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sepg4-0002iT-NU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:40:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sepg4-0002iK-BV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:40:12 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s8.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sepg2-0004id-KL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:40:11 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W30 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:40:09 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group , RSGB Yahoo Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:40:09 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2012 15:40:09.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[D04939B0:01CD497A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All, Sorry to say that the loss of grabber updates is due to a problem with my PC. Unable to resolve early & the grabbers may be off for a few days. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.19 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0f08d89a-df27-4d45-b924-0c0793e484d2_" Subject: LF: G4WGT Grabbers X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:333770016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60184fd8b48d2463 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_0f08d89a-df27-4d45-b924-0c0793e484d2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=2C =20 Sorry to say that the loss of grabber updates is due to a problem with my P= C. =20 Unable to resolve early & the grabbers may be off for a few days. =20 73=2C =20 Gary - G4WGT. = --_0f08d89a-df27-4d45-b924-0c0793e484d2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All=2C

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= --_0f08d89a-df27-4d45-b924-0c0793e484d2_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 74BE03800009B; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScdRc-000290-Vg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:12:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScdRc-00028r-Dv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:12:12 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScdRa-00029C-0b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:12:11 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57EC88t027251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:12:09 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57EC8nh000569 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:12:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:10:36 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF! I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN :-) In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: aee9e5eeb35c86f052d502ac97832558 Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:401722208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554fd0b6f6261f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LF! I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN :-) In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 874D33800008C; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCFS-0000mg-FU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:57:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCFS-0000mX-2K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:57:42 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCFQ-0001xM-Bg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:57:40 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlIJALJ6y09cF/B0/2dsb2JhbABEsngEgSWBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh2wDD6t9CIlTixEaNAOCKYMWA4gNhTCQfoZWgmCBVgUE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="374195425" Received: from host-92-23-240-116.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.116]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 15:57:38 +0100 Message-ID: <00db01cd4199$36b3fee0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00a201cd4197$444c2340$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:57:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well expressed Jay. There are more indicating to remain with the status quo Blacksheep reflector than moving. but where are the other 150 members that are supposed to be subscribed - all sitting on the Fence or out Grazing I would suggest a U - TURN mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:432692608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608c4fcb7b946f24 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Well expressed Jay. There are more indicating to remain with the status quo Blacksheep reflector than moving. but where are the other 150 members that are supposed to be subscribed - all sitting on the Fence or out Grazing I would suggest a U - TURN mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:43 PM Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep > <2 cents> > > It seems only a couple folks are requesting an immediate shutdown of blacksheep. Why not let both > run simultaneously for some time and see which wins out? It should be a simple matter to judge, > after a period of time, which is more popular. > > Some folks (me included) are not interested in having their messages archived for eternity ... or > looking for a place to upload articles or pictures of a new gadget. There are other simple options > for doing this outside of yahoo. I don't want to notified each time someone uploads a new snapshot. > > I'm set up to receive both yahoo and blacksheep via e mail so don't see the 'fuss' to receive both. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 51C2C3800009F; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjSYQ-0004L4-IR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:59:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjSYQ-0004Kv-0f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:59:26 +0100 Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjSYO-0002Dl-1H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:59:24 +0100 Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SxqN1j0060SCNGk53xzNRS; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:59:22 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SxzP1j00A0CFS1j3VxzPM0; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:59:24 +0000 Message-ID: <002201cd5382$5c1cd620$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <4FE8F6FE.4030409@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 05:59:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Not much to show for the effort last night ... high static levels the main culprit. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 [...] Content analysis details: (0.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475208736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164fe9883b6e7f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan Not much to show for the effort last night ... high static levels the main culprit. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 7:40 PM Subject: LF: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) > LF! > > Once again, braving the summer hole, i'm transmitting over night on 136.172 kHz in DFCW-90. Still > hoping to leave some traces in that mode in YV. The days become longer here again now! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EB61A38000093; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgHi1-0006tk-Jo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:48:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgHi0-0006ta-R3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:48:12 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s34.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgHhy-0007TV-65 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:48:11 +0100 Received: from BLU153-W57 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s34.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:48:08 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.61.82.17] From: Laurence KL7UK To: Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:48:08 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004201cd4c9d$97c6ff70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <360DB78560C94BDDB6ED8173E08935E7@gnat>,<004201cd4c9d$97c6ff70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2012 15:48:08.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[97A7FE60:01CD4CA0] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ive found 160/600m dx and even ground wave coverage very different dependent on Geographic and Geomagnetic latitudes, topography etc. Even the Iono QRN affects from lightning has a different "taste" It may be the same with Mal in the UK but my personal view is it hasnt played out that way in a number of places Ive operated in/on globally. Vivre la/le difference! (apologies!) Laurence KL1X enroute to AK (yipee) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.45 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (hellozerohellozero[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 46d617994b9fba079dc3ad7182acba54 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5050e0d7-84f0-4f74-b936-e9435ecb1ce0_" Subject: LF: re: Further MF impressions X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493357472:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fddfc7445a3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_5050e0d7-84f0-4f74-b936-e9435ecb1ce0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ive found 160/600m dx and even ground wave coverage very different dependen= t on Geographic and Geomagnetic latitudes=2C topography etc. Even the Iono = QRN affects from lightning has a different "taste" It may be the same with Mal in the UK but my personal view is it hasnt play= ed out that way in a number of places Ive operated in/on globally. Vivre la= /le difference! (apologies!) Laurence KL1X enroute to AK (yipee) > From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun=2C 17 Jun 2012 15:26:39 +0000 > Subject: LF: Re: Re: Further MF impressions >=20 > Alan > I work both 160 metres and 600 metres and find both similar. Daytime rang= e > and night time similar. > but you must compare like with like power and antenna wise. > I use a 1/4 wave inv L on each band up at 100 ft vertical=2C but naturall= y the > 600 metre antenna is less efficient than the 160 metre therefore one has = to > adjust the power on 160 to get the same erp for comparison purposes. In m= y > case 10w erp on each band > For those fiddling about with 400w pep on 160 and a variety of antennas a= nd > unknown erp and those with a few watts on 600 metres and often very small > antennas you cannot draw any rational comparison > I can work over the same distances daytime on 160 or 600 and after dark t= he > same applies to dx locations. >=20 > de mal/g3kev >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Melia" > To: > Sent: Sunday=2C June 17=2C 2012 2:54 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions >=20 >=20 > > Stefan=2C the groundwave does not change=2C but what you have is varyin= g > amounts > > of skywave and daytime "fading" The wavelength is only a quarter of tha= t > at > > 136kHz so it only tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) reflectio= n > > height to give the same sort of constrctive and destructive interferenc= e. > > 500kHz does not travel over land so well as the surface "roughness" is > > bigger wrt a wavelength ( but even rough seas are generally less "rough= " > > than land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency and quite different to > both > > 136 and top-band. There are times of the day when the fading can be > vicious > > at relatively short range Also with the shorter wavelength most antenn= a > > height limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at 136kHz > > > > Enjoy the new "playground" :-)) > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday=2C June 17=2C 2012 3:03 PM > > Subject: LF: Further MF impressions > > > > > > > MF=2C > > > > > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xta= l > > > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in > the > > > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significant= ly > > > lower than in the evening=2C at least 20 dB. So now i see that the ba= nd > > > noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. > > > > > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > > > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > > > > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience= in > > > these first days... > > > > > > 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 = --_5050e0d7-84f0-4f74-b936-e9435ecb1ce0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ive found 160/600m dx and even ground wave coverage very different =3Bd= ependent =3Bon Geographic and Geomagnetic latitudes=2C topography etc. = Even the Iono QRN affects from lightning has a different "taste"

It may be the same with= Mal in the UK but my personal view is it hasnt played out that way in a nu= mber of places Ive operated in/on globally. Vivre la/le difference! (apolog= ies!)

Laurence KL1X enroute to AK (yipee)



>=3B From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
>=3B To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org
>=3B CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=3B Date: Sun=2C 17= Jun 2012 15:26:39 +0000
>=3B Subject: LF: Re: Re: Further MF impressi= ons
>=3B
>=3B Alan
>=3B I work both 160 metres and 600 metr= es and find both similar. Daytime range
>=3B and night time similar.>=3B but you must compare like with like power and antenna wise.
>= =3B I use a 1/4 wave inv L on each band up at 100 ft vertical=2C but natura= lly the
>=3B 600 metre antenna is less efficient than the 160 metre th= erefore one has to
>=3B adjust the power on 160 to get the same erp fo= r comparison purposes. In my
>=3B case 10w erp on each band
>=3B = For those fiddling about with 400w pep on 160 and a variety of antennas and=
>=3B unknown erp and those with a few watts on 600 metres and often v= ery small
>=3B antennas you cannot draw any rational comparison
>= =3B I can work over the same distances daytime on 160 or 600 and after dark= the
>=3B same applies to dx locations.
>=3B
>=3B de mal/g3= kev
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B ----- Original Message -----
>=3B = From: "Alan Melia" <=3Balan.melia@btinternet.com>=3B
>=3B To: <= =3Brsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=3B
>=3B Sent: Sunday=2C June 17=2C = 2012 2:54 PM
>=3B Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Stefan=2C the groundwave does not change=2C but = what you have is varying
>=3B amounts
>=3B >=3B of skywave and = daytime "fading" The wavelength is only a quarter of that
>=3B at
&= gt=3B >=3B 136kHz so it only tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) = reflection
>=3B >=3B height to give the same sort of constrctive and= destructive interference.
>=3B >=3B 500kHz does not travel over lan= d so well as the surface "roughness" is
>=3B >=3B bigger wrt a wavel= ength ( but even rough seas are generally less "rough"
>=3B >=3B tha= n land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency and quite different to
>= =3B both
>=3B >=3B 136 and top-band. There are times of the day when= the fading can be
>=3B vicious
>=3B >=3B at relatively short r= ange Also with the shorter wavelength most antenna
>=3B >=3B height= limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at 136kHz
>=3B= >=3B
>=3B >=3B Enjoy the new "playground" :-))
>=3B >=3B<= br>>=3B >=3B Alan G3NYK
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B ----- Origina= l Message -----
>=3B >=3B From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" <=3BStefan.Scha= efer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=3B
>=3B >=3B To: <=3Brsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org>=3B
>=3B >=3B Sent: Sunday=2C June 17=2C 2012 3:03 P= M
>=3B >=3B Subject: LF: Further MF impressions
>=3B >=3B
= >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B MF=2C
>=3B >=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B >=3B I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I tho= ught the xtal
>=3B >=3B >=3B does not start to oscillate due to th= e higher ambient temperatures in
>=3B the
>=3B >=3B >=3B afte= rnoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly
>= =3B >=3B >=3B lower than in the evening=2C at least 20 dB. So now i see= that the band
>=3B >=3B >=3B noise is about 5 dB above my soundca= rd noise with the current setup.
>=3B >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B &= gt=3B What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the<= br>>=3B >=3B >=3B afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF?<= br>>=3B >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B BTW thanks to DF6NM for the= grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in
>=3B >=3B >=3B these= first days...
>=3B >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B 73=2C Stefan= /DK7FC
>=3B >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B =
>=3B
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham Andy F6NCI North Paris is looking for my transmission and I commented to him it would probably happen as the terminator crossed Paris giving a grey line all the way. But who knows most signals ar pretty much the same no rise in signals in the last half hour. Off sets are in Options - EXTIO Options - Frequency Options Don't use the offset in EXTIO Device panel! The off set will probably hold across the ham band like 2m but never checked any where else but there is no reason why not. Small price to pay.... :-) The one Watt is making it to PA land over a sea path 213m F6nci is 259m over mainly a land path so may just do it tonight but will close in about an hours time. That PIC keyer is doing really well the 2n7000s are keying the valve rig cathode via a relay. Was worried about spikes but survived so far!!! If Mal is reading this the SSB band used to be in the middle of the old 2ms (145.200?) and we were all peed when yet again, arbitrarily we had to shift down to the bottom end....... anyway it wasn't all tuning high to low because if you remember it was divided up into regions so we knew where to listen and most people knew where every body was and kept a list of band users favourite xtals. Seem to think we used to have more qsos with F,ON,PA and OZ on in those days. Must have had high High Pressure zones in those days....... Global Warming??? Well closing down in 15 or 20mins. [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.210 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f64a6c8ea7591cecbecc6db95ffdd328 Subject: Re: LF: Calibration procedure for HDSDR & TV vhf/uhf Dongle ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-1381502315-1340834149=:92462" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425976416:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m012.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94feb81ba2dd1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-1381502315-1340834149=:92462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham=0A=A0=0AAndy F6NCI North Paris is looking for my transmission and= I commented to him it would probably happen as the terminator crossed Pari= s giving a grey line all the way. But who knows most signals ar pretty much= the same no rise in signals in the last half hour.=0A=A0=0AOff sets are in= Options - EXTIO Options - Frequency Options............ Don't use the offs= et in EXTIO Device panel!=0AThe off set will probably hold across the ham b= and like 2m but never checked any where else but there is no reason why not= . Small price to pay.... :-)=0A=A0=0AThe one Watt is making it to PA land o= ver a=A0sea path 213m F6nci is 259m over mainly a land path so may just do = it tonight but will close in about an hours time.=0A=A0=0AThat PIC keyer is= doing really well the 2n7000s are keying the valve rig cathode via a relay= . Was worried about spikes but survived so far!!!=0A=A0=0AIf Mal is reading= this the SSB band used to be in the middle of the old 2ms (145.200?)=A0and= we were all peed when yet again, arbitrarily we had to shift down to=A0the= bottom end....... anyway it wasn't all tuning high to low because if you r= emember it was divided up into regions so we knew where to listen and most = people knew where every body was and kept a list of band users favourite xt= als. Seem to think we used to have more qsos with F,ON,PA and OZ on in thos= e days. Must have had high High Pressure zones=A0in those days.......=A0 Gl= obal Warming???=0A=A0=0AWell closing down in 15 or 20mins.=0A=0A73 es GL Pe= te M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Wednesd= ay, 27 June 2012, 20:37=0ASubject: LF: Calibration procedure for HDSDR & = TV vhf/uhf Dongle ??=0A =0A=0ACalibration procedure=A0 for=A0 HDSDR &= =A0=A0 TV=A0 =0Avhf/uhf=A0 Dongle ??=0ASet-up=A0 is=A0 running=A0 fine=A0 w= ith =0Athe up-dated=A0 eK4=A0 driver. =0A=0AFrequency off set on 145 MHz is= round=A0 6Khz =0A=0AQ Is there a=A0 calibration procedure to=A0 null out = this=A0 =0Aoff=A0 set?? =0A=0AI see=A0 there is a=A0 correction window in= =A0 HDSDR , but=A0 =0Ais this=A0 correction=A0 going=A0 to=A0 hold over the= tuning=A0 =0Arange ? =0A=0ATnx -G.. ---1613889061-1381502315-1340834149=:92462 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham
 = ;
Andy F6NCI North = Paris is looking for my transmission and I commented to him it would probab= ly happen as the terminator crossed Paris giving a grey line all the way. B= ut who knows most signals ar = pretty much the same no rise in signals in the last half hour.
&n= bsp;
Off sets are in Options - EXTIO Options - Frequency Options............ Don't use the off= set in EXTIO Device panel!
The off set will probably hold across the ham band like 2m but neve= r checked any where else but there is no reason why not. Small price to pay= .... :-)
 
The one Watt is making it to PA land ov= er a sea path 213m F6nci i= s 259m over mainly a land path so may just do it tonight but will close in = about an hours time.
 
That PIC keyer is doing really well the 2n7000s are keyi= ng the valve rig cathode via a relay. Was worried about spikes but survived= so far!!!
 
If Mal is reading this the SSB band used to be in the middle of = the old 2ms (145.200?) and we were all peed when yet again, arbitrarily we had to shift down to&nbs= p;the bottom end....... anyway it wasn't all tuning high to low because if = you remember it was divided up into regions so we knew where to listen and = most people knew where every body was and kept a list of band users favouri= te xtals. Seem to think we us= ed to have more qsos with F,ON,PA and OZ on = in those days. Must have had high High Pressure zones in those days...= ....  Global Warming???
 
Well closing down i= n 15 or 20mins.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham = <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
T= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Se= nt: Wednesday, 27 June 2012, 20:37
Subject: LF: Calibration procedure for HDSDR & TV vhf/uhf Dongle ??

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Calibration procedure  for  HDSDR &   TV = =0Avhf/uhf  Dongle ??<= br>Set-up  is  running  fine  with =0Athe up-dated = ; eK4  driver.
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Frequency off set on 145 MHz is round  6Khz
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=0A=
Q Is there a  calibration procedure to  null out this  = =0Aoff  set??
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I see  there is a&= nbsp; correction window in  HD= SDR , but  =0Ais this  correction  going  to&nbs= p; hold over the tuning  =0Arange ?
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---1613889061-1381502315-1340834149=:92462-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 472603800008A; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 08:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbAB8-00079Y-Tu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:45:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbAB8-00079P-EE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:45:06 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbAB5-0001Fc-Qb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:45:05 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Jun 2012 12:45:02 -0000 Received: from p4FEDADD9.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [79.237.173.217] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 14:45:02 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+rn6QgBbOre3hHQN7fT4Bxoun4Z5kWeZ9yHjjHMJ EXxCKcCEALDp58 Message-ID: <005301cd4186$b18cf300$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><4FCB4FAE.5070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:44:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: >Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about Roger, I fully agree with you and I am convinced that John has taken the right decision. As to the old reflector: Peace to its soul. Actually it would seem typically German to rehash arguments ad infinitum but nothing changes. The change has been made,"fertig". [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.23 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 54c274b8b0f8da777e8f702c98fe24ad Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4197.71B029D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:480999328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad04fcb5c82571a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4197.71B029D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about Roger, I fully agree with you and I am convinced that John has taken the right decision. As to the old reflector: Peace to its soul. Actually it would seem typically German to rehash arguments ad infinitum but nothing changes. The change has been made,"fertig". 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Stefan, Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about. Everything this reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be achieved with the new Yahoo Group. Please, support it. 73s Roger G3XBM On 3 June 2012 12:51, Stefan Schfer wrote: -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5042 - Ausgabedatum: 03.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4197.71B029D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about
 
Roger,
 
I fully agree with you and I am = convinced that John=20 has
taken the right decision.
As to the old reflector:
Peace to its soul.
Actually it would = seem typically German=20 to rehash arguments ad infinitum
but nothing changes.
The change has been = made,"fertig".
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

Stefan,

Sorry but I just can't see what all the = fuss is=20 about. Everything this reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be = achieved with=20 the new Yahoo Group.

Please, support it.

73s
Roger=20 G3XBM

On 3 June 2012 12:51, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> = wrote:





--=20
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version: 2012.0.2178=20 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5042 - Ausgabedatum: 03.06.2012=20

------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4197.71B029D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6A7E3380000F5; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbbgx-0006Z6-E2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:07:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbbgw-0006Yx-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:07:46 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbbgu-0007zA-9R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:07:45 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFAFX5zE9cF/ub/2dsb2JhbABFhU6ZBgOVVoEIghMFAQEFCAEBAxYzAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQoDCRUCAhQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAQ2HXwMPpECISg2JTooxYBqCVIIQgRIDjT2SWYR7gmCBX4E+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,714,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="388281464" Received: from host-92-23-251-155.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.251.155]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 19:07:31 +0100 Message-ID: <015501cd427c$e8309b90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <724246DE-DF76-46E2-84A3-1580A566C9E5@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:07:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: You are at it again dictating to me to cool it!!! because you do not like my constructive observations. Do not apply for the moderator vacancy or yahoo could go up in smoke g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e2b7e65dcf7cf6551ab81105a525fe0f Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0152_01CD427C.E7F4F220" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:503978112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914fccf9b05366 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0152_01CD427C.E7F4F220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are at it again dictating to me to cool it!!! because you do not = like my constructive observations.=20 Do not apply for the moderator vacancy or yahoo could go up in smoke g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Dear Stefan, If you visit the group website the poll button is on the left. Press = it, vote and leave thereafter. But I am still puzzled why you really = have such an aversion to Yahoo Groups which thousands of hams have used = happily and freely for years. They are a GOOD resource.=20 Dear Mal, This all started as a simple suggestion of mine: Yahoo Groups offer = everything this reflector has (speed,email flash messages etc) and so = yet much more too. I had NO wish to create a problem, especially with = good people like Stefan who I greatly respect. I have never sought = conflict and certainly my views on moderation have been totally = misrepresented. Please, can we cool it? John (G3WKL),=20 I am rapidly losing the will to live :-) . Like me, you have only been = trying to do the best for LFers, including finding new ways to share = knowledge and data with newcomers. I am so sorry this has become so = contentious.=20 73s Roger=20 -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 16:03, John Gould = wrote: Stefan, I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo = account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and = that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised = by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =20 I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll = on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =20 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = wrote: Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a = yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging = the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts = that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to = codeterminate in this process. My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group = compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, = where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting period ends. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0152_01CD427C.E7F4F220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
You are at it again dictating to me to cool = it!!! because=20 you do not like my constructive observations.
Do not apply for the moderator vacancy or yahoo = could go=20 up in smoke
g3kev
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black = Sheep

Dear Stefan,
If you visit the group website the poll button is on the left. = Press it,=20 vote and leave thereafter. But I am still puzzled why you really have = such an=20 aversion to Yahoo Groups which thousands of hams have used happily and = freely=20 for years. They are a GOOD resource. 

Dear Mal,
This all started as a simple suggestion of mine: Yahoo Groups = offer=20 everything this reflector has (speed,email flash messages etc) and so = yet much=20 more too.  I had NO wish to create a problem, especially with = good people=20 like Stefan who I greatly respect. I have never sought conflict and = certainly=20 my views on moderation have been totally misrepresented. Please, can = we cool=20 it?

John (G3WKL), 
I am rapidly losing the will to live :-) . Like me, you have only = been=20 trying to do the best for LFers, including finding new ways to share = knowledge=20 and data with newcomers. I am so sorry this has become so=20 contentious. 

73s
Roger 

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 16:03, John Gould <johngould88@googlemail.com= >=20 wrote:

Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a = yahoo=20 account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail = account and=20 that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your=20 Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised = by one=20 of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a = poll on=20 the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted.=20  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> = wrote:
Hi=20 Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but = without=20 having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation = is=20 advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind = for=20 such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who = want to=20 codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep = and i=20 would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups = are not=20 treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will = be shut=20 down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 = 13:15,=20 schrieb Clive Lorton:
If=20 you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting=20 period ends.
 =20 =


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h= ttp://kl7uk.com

= --_7082920a-df6b-43eb-b3a8-10fb967e6c19_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AEF76380001A2; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh6fe-0006iV-4H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:13:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh6fd-0006iB-Ms for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:13:09 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh6fb-0006lE-Od for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:13:08 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5JMD6cR023661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:13:07 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5JMD5RW028822 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:13:06 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:11:19 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5JMD6cR023661 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sorry Rik, i heared (probably) you calling me but i didn't catch your call. PA3ABK was reasonable strong. The QSB, yes.. So maybe next time.. Another question: Those of you who have a wideband RX (SDR for example), which SDR software do you use to surf over the band? There is one from I2PHD and i saw another one that is based on Linux. Recommendations please. I would like to download one tonite and don't know the program with the best features. SpecLab is a bit uncomfortable if the rx frequency of the filter should be changed continuously... [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW ... SDR programs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:457605504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fe0f99e5601 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Sorry Rik, i heared (probably) you calling me but i didn't catch your=20 call. PA3ABK was reasonable strong. The QSB, yes.. So maybe next time.. Another question: Those of you who have a wideband RX (SDR for example),=20 which SDR software do you use to surf over the band? There is one from=20 I2PHD and i saw another one that is based on Linux. Recommendations=20 please. I would like to download one tonite and don't know the program=20 with the best features. SpecLab is a bit uncomfortable if the rx frequency of the filter should=20 be changed continuously... 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > actually 501.2kHz. > Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. > You are 579 with the usual QSB. > I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared = ERP abt 1W. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] > Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW > > Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse > Jan/pa3abk > > On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > =20 >> just in case someone wants... >> I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> >> =20 > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0927238000082; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeaHS-0001Hx-HS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:13:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeaHS-0001Ho-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:13:46 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeaHQ-0001Ec-35 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:13:45 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5CNDhXE016185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:13:43 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5CNDgCP018062 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:13:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD7CCC5.1010106@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:12:05 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Laurence, I think you will be happy to come back to your family again. Congrats! Any new big projects on LF in AK now as you'll have more time? Thanks for the efforts you've done to receive me in Oklahoma / EM16TS on December, 12th 2011, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC.jpg [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: cd16d8c2fb75309db133b7de4adb1391 Subject: Re: LF: KL1X/5 KL7UK/5 QRT and QSY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080701000101090408080600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494895872:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fd7cd606b28 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080701000101090408080600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Laurence, I think you will be happy to come back to your family again. Congrats! Any new big projects on LF in AK now as you'll have more time? Thanks for the efforts you've done to receive me in Oklahoma / EM16TS on December, 12th 2011, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC.jpg 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 13.06.2012 01:02, schrieb Laurence KL7UK: > > Chaps - the time has come to exit Oklahoma stage right and am > returning to work/live in Alaska with occasional sojourns to Northern > Alberta. > > KL1X/5 (aka KL7UK/5) Bartlesville OK will be closing down likely this > evening. > > Thanks for the fish > > Laurence "Flo" KL7UK > http://kl7uk.com > --------------080701000101090408080600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Laurence,

I think you will be happy to come back to your family again. Congrats!
Any new big projects on LF in AK now as you'll have more time?
Thanks for the efforts you've done to receive me in Oklahoma / EM16TS on December, 12th 2011, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC.jpg

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 13.06.2012 01:02, schrieb Laurence KL7UK:

Chaps - the time has come to exit Oklahoma stage right and am returning to work/live in Alaska with occasional sojourns to Northern Alberta.

KL1X/5 (aka KL7UK/5) Bartlesville OK  will be closing down likely this evening.

Thanks for the fish

Laurence "Flo" KL7UK

--------------080701000101090408080600-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 13EEB380000B6; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 04:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSFm-0000rR-L6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:03:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSFm-0000rI-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:03:06 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbSFj-0005Il-Va for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:03:04 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhAFAI1rzE9cF/bI/2dsb2JhbABFnlOVUIEIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfrYdixEghXADjT2QfoZWgmCBVw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,711,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="540258771" Received: from host-92-23-246-200.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.200]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 09:03:02 +0100 Message-ID: <002701cd4228$764d60c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:03:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I prefer any information of interest to me to be stored on my computer and not some central storage outside my control. The advantage of individual storage is that not all the eggs are in one basket in the event of a major crash, virus infections etc at central storage. I prefer individuality and self control and not being dictated to by others. I have read recently where some organisations are encouraging individuals to use their computers as terminals and store all their personal information at a central location. In my opinion this is not the way to proceed. Think of the disadvantages, NO CONTACT AVAILABLE because of cable faults, crash at storage centre , maintainence, virus infection etc With your own storage you have immediate access at all times without third party interference. Some individuals would believe anything and follow like sheep. g3kev . [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b2000330e4064ca60a9f57e731b892da Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD4228.75E21BD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:401477408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fcc6bf04baf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD4228.75E21BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I prefer any information of interest to me to be stored on my computer = and not some central storage outside my control. The advantage of individual storage is that not all the eggs are in one = basket in the event of a major crash, virus infections etc at central = storage.=20 I prefer individuality and self control and not being dictated to by = others. I have read recently where some organisations are encouraging = individuals to use their computers as terminals and store all their = personal information at a central location. In my opinion this is not = the way to proceed. Think of the disadvantages, NO CONTACT AVAILABLE = because of cable faults, crash at storage centre , maintainence, virus = infection etc With your own storage you have immediate access at all times without = third party interference. Some individuals would believe anything and follow like sheep. g3kev . =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alberto di Bene=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:43 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep On 6/3/2012 7:30 PM, pws wrote:=20 I'm running Beagle on Gnome for indexing and search for any kind of information stored locally. Postings, images and other "information" which are "Googleable" or "Yapooable" will be more a problem than a feature in the future. There's only one advantage using those modern, advertisement driven open systems. You always have to keep in mind: "don't post when coming from pub." So, please tell me what is "outdated" here? What is outdated is the fact that to use your technique of finding = relevant contents, one would be forced to store everything locally.... then of course any = decent tool like Google Desktop can index and find what one is interested in. IMHO, it is much more intelligent and rationale to have a central = repository, where everything is archived, instead of duplicating on each user PC all the = past messages of the group. 73 Alberto I2PHD ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD4228.75E21BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I prefer any information of interest to me to be = stored on=20 my computer and not some central storage outside my = control.
The advantage of individual storage is that not = all the=20 eggs are in one basket in the event of a major crash, virus infections = etc at=20 central storage.
I prefer individuality and self control = and not being=20 dictated to by others. I have read recently where = some organisations=20 are encouraging individuals to use their computers as terminals and = store all=20 their personal information at a central location. In my opinion = this is not=20 the way to proceed. Think of the disadvantages, NO CONTACT = AVAILABLE=20 because of cable faults, crash at storage centre , = maintainence, virus=20 infection etc
With your own storage you have immediate access = at all=20 times without third party interference.
Some individuals would believe anything and = follow like=20 sheep.
g3kev
.  
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alberto di = Bene=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: = [rsgb_lf_group]=20 Getting rid of Black Sheep

On 6/3/2012 7:30 PM, pws wrote:=20 
I'm running Beagle on Gnome for indexing =
and search for any kind of
information stored locally.

Postings, images and other "information" which are "Googleable"
or "Yapooable" will be more a problem than a feature in the
future.

There's only one advantage using those modern, advertisement
driven open systems. You always have to keep in mind:
"don't post when coming from pub."

So, please tell me what is "outdated" here?
What is outdated is the fact that to use your technique = of finding=20 relevant contents,
one would be forced to store everything = locally.... then=20 of course any decent tool
like Google Desktop can index and find = what one=20 is interested in.

IMHO, it is much more intelligent and = rationale to=20 have a central repository, where
everything is archived, instead of = duplicating on each user PC all the past messages of
the=20 group.

73  Alberto =20 I2PHD

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(VPS 120625-1, 25/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? No not HELL Scriber ! Its the audio band version of the Op beacon , best decode level is -50dB ( approx -55 dB wspr levels ) sends the full call sign , with the usual upto 50% data loss [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 18c0ce4cbca80559a8b22b14cd653174 Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494787904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574fe8f3f6282c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? No not HELL Scriber ! Its the audio band version of the Op beacon , best decode level is -50dB ( approx -55 dB wspr levels ) sends the full call sign , with the usual upto 50% data loss Based on the times 9K stations TX , the cycle is 4 Hours ....... the long mark/space also shows on Spec-lab so RX can be by 'detection' or 'Decode' G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:11 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > Yes, in any way it would be nice again to put some focus on VLF. It's a > long time ago i regularly monitored my own VLF grabber > (http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html). > > Looks like SAQ has tuned up today for a time arround 10 UTC. The Alphas > are OFF again and the noise is maybe 10 dB higher than in winther, as a > maximum. I do not change the brightness between summer and winther. > > Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? > > How long does it take to get a full decode in that mode and what is the > content of the decoded message? If 4 H means 4 hours and the content is a > full callsign and locator (about like in WOLF) then maybe it can be > compared with DFCW-120? If so, i guess the range of a 1 mW ERP station > will be below 100 km, if conds are good (i.e. no QRN and during the gap in > the morning which is arround 8...11 UTC) and the RX is is typical. > > We know that no digimode can do miracles. However we often saw stations > just transmitting a few dashes. If these dashes will satisfy all, it would > be fine. > > Due to other projects (ah, i remember, it was the LF DX to VK times) i > stopped the local VLF experiments with the LOPT transformer. Also is > showed me that there is no real alternative to an air coil if a serious > ERP is goal. That was clear in advance but the proof was clearer than i > thought. > > As i write these lines, a small VLF flame starts to burn again. But there > is the MF project on the table as well... > > What about all the other VLF transmitting stations? We have been 7 > (OK2BVG, OE3GHB, DF6NM, G3XIZ, DJ8WX, OE5ODL, PA3CPM, DK7FC) who passed > distances above 1 Lambda. Did i forget someone? > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 26.06.2012 00:39, schrieb Graham: >> Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of the >> UK as well ! >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Stefan Schfer" >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >> >>> Mal, >>> >>> Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: >>>> Stefan >>>> This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the >>>> Dreamers band. >>> Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due to >>> your higher antenna C and mains availability. >>> You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. >>> >>>> I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with >>>> other >>>> persuits at present. >>>> >>> Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large >>> tube. 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul >>> Nicholsons grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very helpful >>> for the first tests! >>> >>> 73, Stefan >>> >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Stefan Schfer" >>>> To: >>>> Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM >>>> Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> VLF, >>>>> >>>>> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >>>>> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >>>>> Darmstadt, http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html >>>>> run >>>>> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >>>>> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >>>>> earthquake precursors. >>>>> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced him >>>>> to >>>>> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He >>>>> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU >>>>> resources >>>>> for that at the moment though. >>>>> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >>>>> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it >>>>> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even >>>>> in summer. >>>>> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF >>>>> event. >>>>> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June >>>>> 2012 >>>>> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to extend >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5B7693800008A; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sj9DJ-0000pm-1c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:20:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sj9DI-0000pd-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:20:20 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sj9DC-0006pG-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:20:19 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5PDK7qt006611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:20:10 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5PDK6ge025321; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:20:07 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:18:16 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: Paul , Christoph Maurer X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: VLF, It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of Darmstadt, http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some earthquake precursors. I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced him to share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU resources for that at the moment though. The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even in summer. If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF event. BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June 2012 :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to extend it. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7aa9ad08848e488e22e0ff1d71f4ef1d Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438177312:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fe865ed7d99 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none VLF, It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of Darmstadt, http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some earthquake precursors. I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced him to share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU resources for that at the moment though. The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even in summer. If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF event. BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June 2012 :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to extend it. 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8524338000082; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgkES-0001a2-1L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:15:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgkER-0001Zt-KS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:15:35 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgkEP-0007Ny-RC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:15:34 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5IMFWQm031887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:15:33 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5IMFX9t006189 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:15:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDFA81D.3050104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:13:49 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB10AA@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB10AA@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5IMFWQm031887 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Rik, How accurate is your grabber QRG? Am i really 20 Hz off the QRG with the DDS VFO here? 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: Re: LF: 475kHz grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450050720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fdfa8b92a18 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Rik, How accurate is your grabber QRG? Am i really 20 Hz off the QRG with the=20 DDS VFO here? 73, Stefan Am 18.06.2012 20:02, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > On request of Marco, DD7PC, I am running a grabber on 475kHz (474.95-47= 5.05): > http://www.strobbe.eu/argo/ > The grabber may be interrupted for a QSO. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2012 16:03 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: Further MF impressions > > MF, > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in > the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is > significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see > that the band noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the > current setup. > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience i= n > these first days... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DD63C380000B6; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 12:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbaa7-0005mj-Ki for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:56:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbaa6-0005ma-UF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:56:38 +0100 Received: from mail-ee0-f43.google.com ([74.125.83.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbaZy-0007hu-RW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:56:37 +0100 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50so2464768eek.16 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:56:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=6rrCCZ6NSco9nV+f02fLT0VF3PIsikZ6xVR31At6Oqw=; b=TXeu1AKxIfG9x1pXgIhhrC5mkU+geLfBVwqXjN9TRUi+AB9XbfLN+Y/rcbqsUXKp5/ 778hT4FAK7/XyL2tm+cXInYMBjO7uLghJWwdY/ZxPk4sY7JasO4MEzI/B9NeVWvQxoI5 Gw58HxxjlmxangxqyqAtySAolkGclWGVQd3PxKZ4zGkjfGNKxoRsvkm/MAOLMmWYhdsU hckIciexeCZWLyVGm4wQ1y/gkzmsie2yt+RTb6Jw1va95w+8mFoFg+BDFpCrCxCIRkhu A44boNxA+NtLjwRB5zjAV3iLuSTDrBoSI3Zb2Cc6QVZj+GV8r+Ad3q0vQI5z2YvSiESH z6cg== Received: by 10.14.119.134 with SMTP id n6mr6092406eeh.0.1338828988888; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stbryant-mac2.lan (dyn45-155.adsl.bogons.net. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I think that you may need an a/c on yahoo to use all the features, but you do not need to direct the list email there. I have all my yahoo lists directed to this a/c then my mail client automatically filters the email direct to folders, I and then scan the folders for interesting post at some convenient time. You can have each yahoo list directed to a separate email address if that is your preference. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.83.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: ce0e5a4ae990e5a63db3ab7aea21191b Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464265600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d280.1 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4fcce90e5034 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I think that you may need an a/c on yahoo to use all the features, but you do not need to direct the list email there. I have all my yahoo lists directed to this a/c then my mail client automatically filters the email direct to folders, I and then scan the folders for interesting post at some convenient time. You can have each yahoo list directed to a separate email address if that is your preference. 73 Stewart/G3YSX On 04/06/2012 16:03, John Gould wrote: > Stefan, > > I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo > account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and > that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with > your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised > by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. > > I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on > the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Schfer > > wrote: > > Hi Clive, LF, > > For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a > yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is > advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind > for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who > want to codeterminate in this process. > > My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group > compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like > competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down > after some time. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: > > If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the > voting period ends. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C4BAD380000BF; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShT2q-0004x8-V4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:06:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShT2q-0004wz-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:06:36 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShT2n-0006un-SD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:06:35 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC252ACE6D; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:30 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 657qFTwgC1120M01; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:28 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.1] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID718qFTwgC4046X01; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:28 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.1 IN dibene@usa.net imap01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID718qFTwgC4046X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.8.95] by imap01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 298qFTwgb1632M21; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:27 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.8.95 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FE2495D.4090509@usa.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:06:21 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120620-1, 06/20/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID298qFTwgb1632X21 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 6/20/2012 11:31 PM, Markus Vester wrote: > But as I have zero Linux background, is there a way to run something like RTL-SDR under Windows? Go to this page : http://www.rtlsdr.com/2012/04/getting-started-with-rtl-sdr-dongle/ [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.31 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080908020905060102020806" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:407614592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4fe249ad0029 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080908020905060102020806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/20/2012 11:31 PM, Markus Vester wrote: > But as I have zero Linux background, is there a way to run something like RTL-SDR under Windows? Go to this page : http://www.rtlsdr.com/2012/04/getting-started-with-rtl-sdr-dongle/ 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------080908020905060102020806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 6/20/2012 11:31 PM, Markus Vester wrote:
But=A0as I have=A0zer= o Linux background, is there a way to run something like RTL-SDR=A0under=A0Windows?
Go to this page :

http://www.rtlsdr.com/2012/04= /getting-started-with-rtl-sdr-dongle/

73=A0 Alberto=A0 I2PHD


--------------080908020905060102020806-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0891238000104; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuT3-0001pd-03 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:47:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuT2-0001pU-GQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:47:44 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjuT0-0005eA-6a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:47:43 +0100 Received: from shack5a65be54f (unknown [83.153.241.20]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD1E4C817F for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:47:36 +0200 (CEST) From: "Andre Guye1" To: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:47:35 +0200 Message-ID: <00482E7CA1B947A28737AA21D6E409D4@shack5a65be54f> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ac1UeQZ5lfiCxcJPSPa92bI4tOszLQAAsU8g In-Reply-To: <4CBF3FCDC1074B55ADDA1EDC1E7F43EF@AGB> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120627-0, 27/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes Graham, and after listening again at the valves Pete sound I am sure that is drums.... F6CNI Andy. -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] De la part de Graham Envoyé : mercredi 27 juin 2012 17:24 À : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Objet : Re: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.27.42.4 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 CTYPE_001C_B CTYPE_001C_B 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e51657317b06d9cbe905ec682fad6602 Subject: RE : LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01CD548C.F075A990" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:475211776:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4feb2b581d26 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CD548C.F075A990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Graham, and after listening again at the valves Pete sound I am sure that is drums....=20 =20 F6CNI Andy. -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] De la part de Graham Envoy=E9 : mercredi 27 juin 2012 17:24 =C0 : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Objet : Re: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight VALVES give better sound , just the thing for playing OPERA = on=20 =20 G.. From: M0FMT =20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Hi all Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera keyer design and = software with HEX code. It works a treat. It has been keying a test oscillator for a day now. Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output 500kc/s 6CL6 valve TX on into a LW 35ft up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting 500kc/s USB. Don=92t laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the past. 73 Pete M0FMT IO91UX --- Antivirus avast! : message Sortant sain. Base de donnees virale (VPS) : 120627-0, 27/06/2012 Analyse le : 27/06/2012 17:47:37 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CD548C.F075A990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Yes=20 Graham, and after listening again at the valves Pete sound I am sure = that=20 is drums....
 
F6CNI Andy.
-----Message d'origine-----
De :=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 De la part de Graham
Envoy=E9 : mercredi 27 juin = 2012=20 17:24
=C0 : = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Objet : Re:=20 LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight

VALVES    give  better sound , just   = the =20 thing  for  playing  OPERA  on
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM
Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST = tonight

Hi all
Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera = keyer design=20 and software with HEX code.
 It works a = treat.  It has been keying a test = oscillator for=20 a day now.
Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output =  500kc/s 6CL6 valve TX on into a = LW 35ft=20 up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting 500kc/s=20 USB.
Don’t laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the = past.
73 Pete M0FMT  IO91UX


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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CD548C.F075A990-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DAE9F38000091; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 03:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbRLa-0000KZ-2n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:05:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbRLZ-0000KQ-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:05:01 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbRLX-00056j-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:05:00 +0100 Received: from unknown-00-26-08-f6-6f-9b.home (host86-165-130-31.range86-165.btcentralplus.com [86.165.130.31]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MBX6o-1SjiYG3iVC-00A0tU; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:04:53 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Clive Lorton In-Reply-To: <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:04:48 +0100 Message-Id: <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:grr/VjahErlG8ViRa7QoezD18LMo9kpqZ+v9+dW+CbC ZZrbiFGH5zsNe4WIXqTBIjFxfSGWXLsSE1PFoOMWlM7/C8M0dO AovR3WCqC+4rYo89Jz8JCy+nABXtocgQSYhoVbg0RDxEMrkMnG 7iFD1FkzUw12s4+YCkOlHUtHXEjM3JGuYkJPwogSrclBrzce5K VWNbyxru80/iU3xEUiMv4fLliVxO0xZLmrnikmyRuJOOIlRNkt IbJSj/u6LncEL6XmWWPgM9/TNQLQmq5il5PRzn0w0IIekFPQTH X7BVAvUxJ29cf9p/ldZXSYTExs0SECgZTcdGfFMBCticKOCZim LrS5mF/2SPBWSeNd8g6kCNviOQ2sCLvH4QTXF0Q4SAA8hJ2IRl 462mug7WoZja2/DH26/BRe2YLZtalJ27XFlCumOQoXB34YaJ0X FuIIm X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Gentlemen, I’m beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. Blacksheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo for technical discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be archived and design/construction projects can make full use of the search function and files section of Yahoo. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: aee9e5eeb35c86f052d502ac97832558 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:240635392:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4fcc5e7460f1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Gentlemen, I=92m beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. = Blacksheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo = for technical discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be = archived and design/construction projects can make full use of the = search function and files section of Yahoo. Just my two pence worth=85=85.. Clive g8poc= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ECE0238000094; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfygr-00006f-5v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:29:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfygq-00006W-Je for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:29:44 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfygo-0003SW-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:29:43 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P7Vh1j00B4U6hVe037VhDV; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:29:41 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: Cc: "Gary - G4WGT" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:29:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-1, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The ROS-MF 2/7 is a 100 Hz b/w MFSK transmission , and would fit into the top 200 Hz of the 477 band , with 50 Hz guard band , Opera / Band edge ? ROS MF Data mode is 100 Hz wide and based round 1500 Hz (Fixed) Audio frequency , MF-7 and MF-2 share the same 1500 Hz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 11963a33d604c33786d8f1de94ce267f Subject: LF: ROS MF Data mode QRG 477.400 ? usb-dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014F_01CD4BFE.C21317E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:244939152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fdcdee136a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01CD4BFE.C21317E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The ROS-MF 2/7 is a 100 Hz b/w MFSK transmission , and would = fit into the top 200 Hz of the 477 band , with 50 Hz guard = band , Opera / Band edge ? ROS MF Data mode is 100 Hz wide and based round 1500 Hz = (Fixed) Audio frequency , MF-7 and MF-2 share the same 1500 Hz=20 ROS data mode requires a conventional SSB tx / exciter (USB) = to translate the Tx drive audio , or can be used with a SDR = Tx=20 ROS MF-2 decodes at approx the same level as WSPR and is a = full live keyboard qso mode , MF-7 is approx 7 dB less sensitive = , but gives live qso mode , approx 14 dB lower s/n than psk31 at = similar data rate . >> = http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/the-blue-ribbon-fastest-live-dat= a-to-cross-the-atlantic/ Note the Opera and Ros s/n readings are calibrated to the = sim-path propagation modelling software and are approx 6 / 7 = dB less than wspr or fldigi=20 Each system reports the Average s/n of the complete = transmission=20 73 -G.. ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01CD4BFE.C21317E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The ROS-MF 2/7 is  a   100=20 Hz  b/w   MFSK  transmission &nbs= p; ,=20 and  would  fit  into the  top  200 Hz of = the =20 477  band  , with   50 Hz  guard  = band  ,=20 Opera /  Band edge ?
 
ROS  MF  Data  mode  is  100 = Hz  =20 wide  and  based  round    1500 Hz =20 (Fixed)  Audio  frequency , MF-7  and  = MF-2  =20 share the  same   1500 Hz
 
ROS   data  mode  requires a  = conventional  =20 SSB    tx  / exciter  (USB)  to  = translate=20 the  Tx  drive  audio  , or  can be  = used =20 with a  SDR  Tx
 
ROS  MF-2   decodes  at approx  the =20 same  level  as  WSPR and is a  full  live=20 keyboard  qso  mode  , MF-7 is  approx   7 = dB=20 less  sensitive , but  gives live  qso mode  ,=20 approx   14 dB  lower s/n  than  psk31 at = similar =20 data  rate .
 
 >>  http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2011/02/1= 4/the-blue-ribbon-fastest-live-data-to-cross-the-atlantic/
 
Note the  Opera and Ros   s/n   = readings =20 are  calibrated to the  sim-path   propagation  = modelling   software  and  are =20 approx    6 / 7  dB  less  than  wspr = or  fldigi
 
Each  system  reports  the  Average   = s/n   of the  complete   transmission
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan  I like this and would like to make to make it. I so far have tracked down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many construction projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no chance of that I suppose?  There will be those who tell me its easy to get the bits but unless you work for a company that uses this stuff it can not be slipped through the "Purchasing" it becomes a positive stop!! Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min orders and it said it had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En? Hmm it's plaited ? Wima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in depth but they usually are.  I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. by four.  Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more.  I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK source) may be they could publish it?  And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is new and worth while thanks! 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I so fa= r have tracked down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many const= ruction projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ = no chance of that I suppose?=0A=C2=A0=0AThere will be those who tell me its= easy to get the bits=C2=A0but unless you work for a company that uses this= stuff it can not be slipped through the "Purchasing"=C2=A0it becomes a pos= itive stop!! =0ALike the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits wit= h min orders and it said it had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly= collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min ord= er either double wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En?=C2=A0 Hmm it= 's plaited ?=0AWima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in depth= but they usually are.=0A=C2=A0=0AI like the idea of using a DDS or Transce= iver as a master osc source div. by four.=0A=C2=A0=0AGenerally=C2=A0I buy m= y power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap= !! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the width... principle)= =C2=A0and the drivers TC range for slightly more.=0A=C2=A0=0AI'll keep sear= ching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK source) may be they co= uld publish it?=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AAnd thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is= "New" but in context it is new and worth while thanks!=0A=0A73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A________________________________=0A From: Stefan= Sch=C3=A4fer =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 16:53=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re:= RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A =0A=0AHi MF, =0A=0ALate at night, i m= ade draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/10= 0W%20475kHz%20PA.png=C2=A0 (picture=0Aof prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u= /19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG)=0A=0AMost of the part= s are not critical. =0A=0AThe ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 m= aterial. Details are=0Ain the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternative= ly and double the=0Aprimary and secondary number of turns.=0A=0AThere are m= any alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N=0Ayou may try a = IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher=0Ainput capacity. = Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts.=0ASwitching times a= re not critical. So you need to find a compromise=0Abetween low on resistan= ce and input capacity while the Drain-Source=0Avoltage should be 55V for a = 12V supply.=0A=0AInstead of RF litz wire (i use this one: http://www.reiche= lt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30 ) you c= an also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what=0Ayou have.= It just affects the efficiency, more or less.=0A=0AThe overall dimensions = of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it=0Ais quite compact and since= it runs from a 12V battery you can use it=0Afor /p tests. Also you can of = course use more than 2 power steps by=0Ausing a multi step switch and more = taps.=0A=0AA DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine sign= al=0Acoming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long a= s=0Athe peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp.=0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A=0APS: Yes= , it is nothing new and someone has done it before!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAm = 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT: =0AHi again Stefan =0A>=C2=A0 =0A>The Litz= is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@(( =0A>=0A>Do you create y= our own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could=0Abe stranded up to make a = synth? =0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>From: M0FMT mai= lto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=0A>To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org mailto:rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, 28=0AJune 2012, 10:22=0A>Subj= ect: Re: LF: Re:=0ARE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A>Hi Stefan = =0A>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/1608182= 53496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8 = =0A>Just over =C2=A35 a pop! =0A>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-M= AXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_Defau= ltDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326077 =0A>Just over =C2=A36 a pop! =0A>But what = is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=E2=80= =A6 ;0) =0A>Chees Pete FMT =0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3= =A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr=0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent= : Thursday, 28=0AJune 2012, 9:42=0A>Subject: Re: LF: Re:=0ARE: 472 kHz PA r= unning at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>Hello Stephan ,=0A>Me too =0A>73=C2=A0 , J= ean-Pierre F1AFJ=C2=A0 =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT=0Aa = =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:=0A> =0A>Hi Stephan =0A>>=0A>>Me Too=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>73 es = GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org= =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, 28=0AJune 2012, = 9:12=0A>>Subject: LF: Re: RE:=0A472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A>> =0A>>=0A= >> =0A>>like =0A>>=0A>>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>>From: Rik=0AStro= bbe =0A>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>Sent: Thursday, June 28,= 2012 6:35 AM =0A>>>Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =0A>>>=0A= >>> =0A>>>If=C2=A0someone=0Ais=C2=A0interested i=C2=A0may=C2=A0convert the = circuit=C2=A0from=C2=A0my=C2=A0mind=C2=A0into a schematic=0Aas a=C2=A0png f= ile. =0A>>>=0A>>>Always=C2=A0interested ;-) =0A>>>=0A>>>73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0= ON7YD - OR7T =0A>>=0A>> =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> ---176341844-776760311-1340908899=:62897 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi= Stefan
 
I like th= is and would like to make to make it. I so far have tracked down most bits = but as usual the Unobtainium = of so many construction projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they a= re Kits........ no chance of that I suppose?
=  
Ther= e will be those who tell me its easy to get the bits but unless you wo= rk for a company that uses this stuff it can not be slipped through the "Pu= rchasing" it becomes a positive stop!!
= Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min orders and it said it had over one hund= red thousand Litz and promptl= y collapsed. But they have one = of the toroids (T1) wow and i= ts not a min order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated= from 0.125 Cu/En?  Hmm = it's plaited ?
Wima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in depth but they u= sually are.
 
I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. by four.
 
G= enerally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P = (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the width...= principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more.<= /div>
 
I'll ke= ep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK source) may be = they could publish it? 
 
And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "Ne= w" but in context it is new and worth while thanks!
73 es GL Pete= M0FMT IO91UX
 
From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer <St= efan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 16:53
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kH= z PA running at 12 VDC
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=0ALate at night, i made draw the schem= atic. Here it is:=0Ahttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20P= A.png  (picture=0Aof prototype=0Ahttps://dl.drop= box.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG)
=0A=0AMost of the parts are not critical.
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=0AThe ferrite cores ar= e the blue EPCOS types, N30 = material. Details are=0Ain the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternativ= ely and double the=0Aprimary and secondary number of turns.
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=0ATh= ere are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZ= F48N=0Ayou may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher=0Ainput capacity. = Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts.=0ASwitching times a= re not critical. So you need to find a compromise=0Abetween low on resistan= ce and input capacity while the Drain-Source=0Avoltage should be 55V for a = 12V supply.
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=0AInstead of RF litz wire (i use this one:=0Ahttp://ww= w.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30= =0A) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or wh= at=0Ayou have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less.
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=0AT= he overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it=0Ais q= uite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it=0Afor /p t= ests. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by=0Ausing a multi step switch and more taps.<= br>=0A
=0AA DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine si= gnal=0Acoming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long= as=0Athe peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp.
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=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC
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=0AAm 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT:=0A
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Hi again Stefan
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=0A The Litz is too, only= by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@((
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Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could=0A= be stranded up to make a synth?
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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=0A To:=0Amailto:rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
=0A Sent:<= /b> Thursday, 28=0AJune 2012, 10:22
=0A Subject: Re: LF: Re:=0ARE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
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Just over =C2=A36 a pop!
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But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?   =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0)
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Chees Pete FMT=0A
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=0A To:=0Arsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
=0A S= ent: Thursday, 28=0AJune 2012, 9:42
=0A Subject: Re: LF: Re:=0ARE: 472 kHz PA running = at 12 VDC
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---176341844-776760311-1340908899=:62897-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C34EB3800008D; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbujw-0005hX-GD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:28:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbujv-0005hO-RP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:28:07 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbujt-0002cD-U2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:28:06 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhsFAM0Wzk9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFnl4DlVWBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDBA0EAQEKDBkUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPrWANiU6KM2AaglQMgxYDiA2FMJdUgmCBX4E+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="374373838" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 15:28:04 +0100 Message-ID: <00ca01cd4327$6a58ea50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008101cd4316$964358f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:28:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John I understant that but I have followed the procedures required but it keeps asking the same question over again why the delay in association with the rsgb group, which seems to be the problem. mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: c40596c1cc3306f1877076595a921c57 Subject: Re: LF: vote Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C7_01CD4327.6A21FBD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485329728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4fce17c21ea1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01CD4327.6A21FBD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John I understant that but I have followed the procedures required but it = keeps asking the same question over again why the delay in association with the rsgb group, which seems to be the = problem. mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: vote Mal, I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. = I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means that = you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership of = the RSGB_LF_Group list (yet). 73 John, G3WKL On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton wrote: John I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open to me in spite of = being able to log in I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors going and this will = satisfy all concerned. My main objection was the way the transition suddenly took place = without proper consultation. I would suggest everyone votes openly on both reflectors, to avoid = lock outs like we are hearing about from several others. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01CD4327.6A21FBD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
I understant that but I have followed the = procedures=20 required but it keeps asking the same question over again
why the delay in association with the rsgb = group, which=20 seems to be the problem.
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------=_NextPart_000_026C_01CD56BD.11475E70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 49091380000C6; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skzhn-0006yV-Bl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:35:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skzhm-0006yM-Vu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:35:26 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skzhl-0006JQ-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:35:25 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqMOAEAc709cF/Xi/2dsb2JhbABFgm4IAQFJnR0DlEgBA4EogQiCEwETAQEDSQIsAggCAQYBAhs5AQQaBiQdAQICAQGFOAcBgiMbmjOhFYt2ThOEfgOIF4U3l2mCXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,503,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="377494317" Received: from host-92-23-245-226.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.245.226]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 16:35:23 +0100 Message-ID: <008501cd56d5$f5c084b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:35:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stn tst on 476.5 599 qsx 502 de mal/g3kev Stn tst on 476.5 599 qsx 502 [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: LF: test 476.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01CD56D5.F578F460" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:353955456:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4fef1d2055ae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CD56D5.F578F460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stn tst on 476.5 599=20 qsx 502=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CD56D5.F578F460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stn tst on 476.5 599
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------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CD56D5.F578F460-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3DDA9380000B2; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuC0-0001gI-Qd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:30:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuC0-0001g9-C2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:30:08 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjuBy-0005Wa-5F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:30:07 +0100 Received: from shack5a65be54f (unknown [83.153.241.20]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC644C80CA for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:29:59 +0200 (CEST) From: "Andre Guye1" To: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:29:58 +0200 Message-ID: <77311BE70CF342238AB77AE9DF1137ED@shack5a65be54f> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <8CF228EF6E75DBA-1AB4-15102@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac1UeAIAPUikHg14SZuUjyhO6JQRKwAAW4gg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120627-0, 27/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I confirm, yes it is. Also good copy here. F6CNI Andy. -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] De la part de f4dtl@aol.com Envoyé : mercredi 27 juin 2012 17:16 À : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Objet : Re : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.27.42.4 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f3d1da032404cd5ad9531631c09e3b44 Subject: RE : Re : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD548A.7A5DF390" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:413966720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4feb27302aa0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD548A.7A5DF390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I confirm, yes it is. Also good copy here. =20 F6CNI Andy. -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] De la part de f4dtl@aol.com Envoy=E9 : mercredi 27 juin 2012 17:16 =C0 : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Objet : Re : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Maybe the NDB "SA" from Darlowo Poland. =20 Nicolas F4DTL -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Uwe Wensauer A: rsgb_lf_group Envoy=E9 le : Me, 27 Jun 2012 17:12 Sujet : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Hi Who is it ? SA =20 Uwe dk1kq =20 --- Antivirus avast! : message Sortant sain. Base de donnees virale (VPS) : 120627-0, 27/06/2012 Analyse le : 27/06/2012 17:29:59 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD548A.7A5DF390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I=20 confirm, yes it is. Also good copy here.
 
F6CNI Andy.
-----Message d'origine-----
De :=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 De la part de f4dtl@aol.com
Envoy=E9 : mercredi 27 = juin 2012=20 17:16
=C0 : = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Objet : Re=20 : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA"

Maybe the NDB "SA" from Darlowo Poland.
 
Nicolas = F4DTL


-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : Uwe Wensauer=20 <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de>
A: rsgb_lf_group=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Envoy=E9 le : Me, 27 Jun 2012=20 17:12
Sujet : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA"

Hi
Who is it ?
SA
 
Uwe dk1kq
 


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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD548A.7A5DF390-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 870AF38000089; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBnr-00007z-Nl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:29:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBnr-00007q-Ak for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:29:11 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbBnp-0001kd-EZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:29:10 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.198]) by mwinf5d15 with ME id HqV81j0044GZQLJ03qV8Bq; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:29:08 +0200 Message-ID: <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FCB7397.8020204@legal-medicine.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCB7397.8020204@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:29:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-0, 03/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , so this should exclude your vote from the poll .... G. From: "pws" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=GET_STARTED_NOW, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482259584:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fcb74e114ab X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , so this should exclude your vote from the poll .... G. -------------------------------------------------- From: "pws" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > John, > > You wrote: >> ... >> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >> how do you want to continue? >> >> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >> o With the Blacksheep.org list >> o Both lists >> >> >> To vote, please visit the following web page: >> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 > > I got what expected: > """ > To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable Web > Access. > > With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, links, > message archive search, and more! > > Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group > > If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web > Access and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. > > To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". > > Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? > If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now. > """ > > No, thanks! > I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. That's all. > > Peter, df3lp > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 77B6B38000084; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 05:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdIQ6-0006gw-Nl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:57:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdIQ6-0006gn-7L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:57:22 +0100 Received: from mail-ey0-f171.google.com ([209.85.215.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdIQ3-0003ht-Pb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:57:21 +0100 Received: by eaaa12 with SMTP id a12so2529221eaa.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:57:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=reply-to:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:x-gm-message-state; bh=Z55Z/DUrkyE6D9Wxb0nYMowGO5ODNCdymb/SaA2vAJU=; b=O8BUnUM1LMN0Qff/j1mdahjN5IwbRR0j1eMe9r+zhYIyA5aq0lOc3NJbuALOKCpcSD laqTHG67Xez0tML2oBMIWimkCAVib4PYdt13EsVoPMuMmh/h2/xkNKMAGP9ZfrZ9S+if /MYx17QAygmonSNT2vr0IGkKeFdsb0wx98DiKR6SIP75UG+qB2NHVo7mtTmevP4/gKwm yud9pi+Yscza2dexQaOUyK6vo93irNCl9ye0jm0NIpanmqNktvuW09Bc6jfYYXIeIAUV nzpGhWZIEtYltEdmGJq4r5BSZKgL3w2yfcqoRKyb7Oc7rLX0/kLRXcnHsNq0qyNrgkeB a3mw== Received: by 10.14.99.78 with SMTP id w54mr2388648eef.135.1339235837796; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.99.78 with SMTP id w54mr2388641eef.135.1339235837618; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Win7Pro (host86-155-18-158.range86-155.btcentralplus.com. [86.155.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q53sm30998218eef.8.2012.06.09.02.57.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry GW0EZY To: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:57:15 +0100 Message-ID: <01cd01cd4626$4081c380$c1854a80$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1GJjzRz7fS3JH9QZqy4XdD1P4/6A== Content-Language: en-gb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQky+jGduHCv+j3vaclvP8wsv5MmcmQChAIVNcGgdK+4cZNdVwkzTqNKj6nRESO+5vamdcV9t6AG5xypTm5/yzonfY+VFw== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal Tnx for X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away some cobwebs in my CW !! 73 Terry [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.215.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 6be9408bcc63ba5aab6f1e66e2d5b7ce Subject: LF: Tnx X-Band QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CE_01CD462E.A2462B80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:131041784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-a402.1 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44fd31e310c04 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01CD462E.A2462B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal Tnx for X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away some cobwebs in my CW !! 73 Terry ------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01CD462E.A2462B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mal

 

Tnx for = X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away some cobwebs in my CW = !!

 

73 Terry

------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01CD462E.A2462B80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D8CA0380000A7; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 08:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skwou-0006Ft-5n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:30:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skwot-0006Fk-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:30:35 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skwor-0005hN-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:30:34 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5UCUWWA007502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:30:32 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5UCUWVt018362 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:30:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEEF0F5.80902@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:28:37 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00a901cd563a$b02b6be0$0200a8c0@boxa> <4FEE2407.3050603@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FEEC581.7020804@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEEC581.7020804@kabelmail.de> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Tom. Thanks. Yes, i have the 2 V rms in mind. It was stated in the datasheet. I intend to use a series configuration of 3 antiparallel 1N4148 diodes on the input to protect the filter. At 50 Ohm, the leveles are hopefully below 2 V rms. Otherwise i will use a stepped attenuator in series of course (if clipping occurs). [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f64a6c8ea7591cecbecc6db95ffdd328 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000303040700030005070307" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:384063648:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4feef19408a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000303040700030005070307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5UCUWWA007502 Hi Tom. Thanks. Yes, i have the 2 V rms in mind. It was stated in the datasheet.=20 I intend to use a series configuration of 3 antiparallel 1N4148 diodes=20 on the input to protect the filter. At 50 Ohm, the leveles are hopefully=20 below 2 V rms. Otherwise i will use a stepped attenuator in series of=20 course (if clipping occurs). 73, Stefan Am 30.06.2012 11:23, schrieb DK1IS: > Am 29.06.2012 23:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >> MF, >> >> It becomes better! >> >> I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver=20 >> like the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It=20 >> will be easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm=20 >> -> 18 kOhm -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small=20 >> box and then there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and=20 >> others behave on long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas... >> >> 73, Stefan >> > Hi Stefan, > > using those filters in the antenna circuit of a rx keep in mind that=20 > the maximum input voltage is rather limited due to the high internal Q=20 > of the mechanical resonators. Here I have some 200-kHz-units from RFT=20 > with maximum input voltage of 2V resp. -10 dB relative to what ever.=20 > So be careful when using them with a seperat rx antenna! > > 73, > Tom, DK1IS --------------000303040700030005070307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5UCUWWA007502 Hi Tom.

Thanks. Yes, i have the 2 V rms in mind. It was stated in the datasheet. I intend to use a series configuration of 3 antiparallel 1N4148 diodes on the input to protect the filter. At 50 Ohm, the leveles are hopefully below 2 V rms. Otherwise i will use a stepped attenuator in series of course (if clipping occurs).

73, Stefan

Am 30.06.2012 11:23, schrieb DK1IS:
Am 29.06.2012 23:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer:
MF,

It becomes better!

I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver like the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It will be easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm -> 18 kOhm -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small box and then there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and others behave on long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas...

73, Stefan

Hi Stefan,

using those filters in the antenna circuit of a rx keep in mind that the maximum input voltage is rather limited due to the high internal Q of the mechanical resonators. Here I have some 200-kHz-units from RFT with maximum input voltage of 2V resp. -10 dB relative to what ever. So be careful when using them with a seperat rx antenna!

73,
Tom, DK1IS
--------------000303040700030005070307-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB1E53800008A; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SilVg-0005a0-8Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:01:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SilVf-0005Zr-Qw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:01:43 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SilVd-0001g5-66 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:01:42 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Jun 2012 12:01:39 -0000 Received: from p4FEDA9CE.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [79.237.169.206] by mail.gmx.net (mp038) with SMTP; 24 Jun 2012 14:01:39 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18j995uHgQjF1nDoaFqeeuA4HhoBOjClQknaQE5Tz t3wdltXw71zLUy Message-ID: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:00:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Warren, perhaps you might might find something suitable there: http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm They have - among other stuff - split stator cap. kits up to 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator capacitor, so you maybe could realize other values. [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464933088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4fe701f01f6c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Warren, perhaps you might might find something suitable there: http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm They have - among other stuff - split stator cap. kits up to 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator capacitor, so you maybe could realize other values. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? Hello the list, Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester which now has taken over Jackson Bros? I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 ----- E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5088 - Ausgabedatum: 23.06.2012 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1A3E838000082; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgGrh-0006P6-7D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:54:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgGrg-0006Ox-II for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:54:08 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgGre-0007DO-OX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:54:07 +0100 Received: from pc-roelof (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5HErxOC070358 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:54:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:53:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roelof Bakker" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.00 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, This morning I listened to your QSO with PA3ABK at 21:10 UTC yesterday. Jan was S-8 on a real S-meter and your signal was peaking S-4; about 15 dB above the band noise. Easy copy in a band width of 500 Hz. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.21 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Subject: Re: LF: Further MF impressions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:412291072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fddefd16b99 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan, This morning I listened to your QSO with PA3ABK at 21:10 UTC yesterday. Jan was S-8 on a real S-meter and your signal was peaking S-4; about 15 dB above the band noise. Easy copy in a band width of 500 Hz. About propagation over a sea path, a few NDB chasers have studied this and have come to the conclusion that propagation over sea reaches four times as far as over land, using the same power and antenna. I live on an peninsula and at daytime could copy an NDB from the Faroer Islands at daytime all year round on 381 kHz. The distance is about 1300 km. For long distance propagation, the bands opens up an hour or more after sunset, when the D-layer has collapsed. But in due course you will find out the propagation finesses yourself. However, there are always surprises against all odds. (Last night I logged 20 Canadian NDB's on LF, go figure) Good luck with your stimulating experiments! 73, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1F0943800009F; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 10:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfuOq-0006rQ-LB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:54:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfuOq-0006rH-2m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:54:52 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfuOo-0002O6-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:54:50 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgYFAN+d3E9Ok8/K/2dsb2JhbABFgkWDEpobA5VdgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDFjMCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiECAhQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYdsAw8HphCITiKJOYs4GoMGggmBEgONQ5degmCBXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,422,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="38745801" Received: from host-78-147-207-202.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.207.202]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 15:54:48 +0100 Message-ID: <007201cd4bcf$f705ac30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <005401cd4bc8$0ff74c60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:54:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Herbert Will look for you on CW. There are enough beacons already on this band hi. No need for wspr beacons. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Herbert Dorner To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: Aw: LF: amtor 473 [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6bb858db23df2b82c4f5a8cb512b45b1 Subject: Re: LF: amtor 473 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD4BCF.F6D12EB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:416466816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fdc9e870ad5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD4BCF.F6D12EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Herbert =20 Will look for you on CW. There are enough beacons already on this band = hi. No need for wspr beacons. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Herbert Dorner=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: Aw: LF: amtor 473 Hi Mal / LF + MF Think that WSPR for Beacon and JT65 for QSO also Intresting for Tests = on MF. My Friend Martin make Test's in WSPR in Moment, Hope to try my first = QSO with Him. best Regard's to All on The New Band or LF 73' Herbert DG3MDE Gesendet: Samstag, 16. Juni 2012 um 15:58 Uhr Von: "mal hamilton" An: rsgb Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Betreff: LF: amtor 473=20 MF Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been associated with marine = communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the new = band. Get your PK232 and KAM tnc's out and ready. de mal/g3kev =20 Ihr WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App = f=C3=BCr iPhone und Android. =20 https://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD4BCF.F6D12EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Herbert   
Will look for you on CW. There are enough = beacons already=20 on this band hi. No need for wspr beacons.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Herbert = Dorner
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 2:19=20 PM
Subject: Aw: LF: amtor = 473

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 = 1:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: vote

Mal,

I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. =  I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means = that=20 you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership = of the=20 RSGB_LF_Group list (yet).

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not = open to me=20 in spite of being able to log in
I therefore VOTE here to keep both = reflectors going=20 and this will satisfy all concerned.
My main objection was the way the transition = suddenly took place without proper consultation.
I would suggest everyone votes openly on = both=20 reflectors, to avoid lock outs like we are hearing about from = several=20 others.
 
de mal/g3kev
 

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[...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: ac0f6ff1af52b6036ac1f4fe0c2bd52c Subject: Re: LF: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:441654016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61894fde0aa6478a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none '''What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF?'' Stefan, Ground range is really a product of erp + data processing (if your are digital) , 75 miles is about the saturation range , you may remember the 'Beacon Bedlam' when 500 was first allocated and lots of qrss beacons where established (Luckily Myself and Gray are over 100 miles north of know end of civilisation Watford-gap and missed out on this !) Next is the skip round 175/ 250 miles , there seemed to be a belt round that distance that was always difficult to work, then next 300 miles + in the night There where a good set of propagation/ time delay / phase plots on the old uk500khz web site using the ZL psk-software , showing the phase distortion at times of qsb on 500 , that gave a indication as to why psk-31 was all ways a very poor mode over distance , This plot from DK8KW , with one long run of the Op beacon , gives a good over view of the changes of conditions over the night , I only started to decode off air quite late on , But I could copy your CW much earlier in the night, so I assume the station is working correctly , but later decodes are many dB down on the South Uk levels , but skip may of been the simple reason , I was using a 40ft x 2 inch end fed vertical mast , 6 ft off the ground, at the time , with only the pre-selector in the Rx as the tuner 73 -G.. http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/photos/album/96277963/pic/1714843914/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:03 PM To: Subject: LF: Further MF impressions > MF, > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly > lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the band > noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in > these first days... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DEB8738000090; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 06:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skv3L-0005po-VC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:37:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skv3L-0005pf-9s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:37:23 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skv3I-0005Cx-LZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:37:22 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Jun 2012 10:37:19 -0000 Received: from p5B3956E3.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.86.227] by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 12:37:19 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+QyzRaiteQ+4wmScmb1tV6lpnvJx+eRql8P9USum Ep/CMz1msCS9Dk Message-ID: <027201cd56ac$4f4136d0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <022001cd56a5$f61164a0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:37:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:51 AM Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters >If I understand you correctly you did not terminate the filter output side while >measuring with the hi Z probe. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: aaa907f1cfed2776dbc1341844857d57 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_026C_01CD56BD.11475E70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:512367072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24feed72c24c4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_026C_01CD56BD.11475E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:51 AM Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters >If I understand you correctly you did not terminate the filter output side while >measuring with the hi Z probe. Oh,sorry for reading not thoroughly enough (perhaps it's too hot today for such things). I see you did terminate with 18k. But as to the input you write in one email: >I have connected ... a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, and in another: >I put the 18 kOhm in series to the signal generator Which one did you try or maybe both? 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:51 AM Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Hi Stefan, >4th try... That's the reason why I opted for for the yahoo list... But back on topic.:-) If I understand you correctly you did not terminate the filter output side while measuring with the hi Z probe. I would try the same measurement with a correct termination. As there are also 500Ohm taps available you could either feed with a series 500 Ohm resistor and terminate the output by 500 Ohm or the same arangement with 18k if you don't want to use the 500Ohm taps. The plot looks typcally for a crystal or mechanical filter which has not been terminated properly. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:26 PM Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try... -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 Von: Stefan Schfer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473 kHz. It is available at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very high. See the image: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.png So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5098 - Ausgabedatum: 28.06.2012 E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5101 - Ausgabedatum: 29.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_026C_01CD56BD.11475E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
----- Original Message -----
From: Clemens Paul
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 11:51=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help = needed,=20 mechanical filters
 
>If I understand you correctly you = did not=20 terminate the filter output side while
>measuring with the hi Z = probe.
 
Oh,sorry for reading not thoroughly enough
(perhaps it's too hot today for such things).
I see you did terminate with 18k.
But as to the input you write in one email:
 
>I have connected ... a 500 Ohm resistor in series to = the=20 signal generator,
 
and in another:
 
>I put the 18 kOhm in series to the signal generator
 
Which one did you try or maybe both?
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clemens = Paul
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 11:51=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help = needed,=20 mechanical filters

Hi Stefan,
 
>4th try...
 
That's the reason why I opted = for for the=20 yahoo list...
 
But back on = topic.:-)
If I understand you correctly you did = not=20 terminate the filter output side while
measuring with the hi Z = probe.
I would try the same measurement with = a correct=20 termination.
As there are also 500Ohm taps = available you=20 could either
feed with a series 500 Ohm resistor = and terminate=20 the output by 500 Ohm
or the same arangement with 18k if = you don't want=20 to use the 500Ohm taps.
The plot looks typcally for a crystal = or=20 mechanical filter which has not been terminated
properly.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 = 10:26=20 PM
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help = needed,=20 mechanical filters

4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht = --------=20
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer "><schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version:=20 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5098 - Ausgabedatum: 28.06.2012=20


Hi Mal / LF + MF

Think that WSPR for Beacon and JT65 for QSO  also Intresting = for=20 Tests on MF.
My Friend Martin make Test's in WSPR in Moment, Hope to try my = first QSO=20 with Him.

best Regard's to All on The New Band or LF

73'
Herbert DG3MDE

Gesendet: Samstag, 16. = Juni 2012=20 um 15:58 Uhr
Von: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
An: rsgb=20 = <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yah= oogroups.co.uk
Betreff: LF:=20 amtor 473
MF
Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been = associated=20 with marine communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal = for the=20 new band. Get your PK232  and KAM tnc's out and = ready.
 
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https://p= rodukte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/ ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD4BCF.F6D12EB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7C780380000B7; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUg3-0005AX-Kn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:15:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUg3-0005AO-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:15:27 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjUg0-0005My-JA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:15:26 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews15.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.182]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:15:24 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-TLF104.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.7]) by cpsps-ews15.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:15:23 +0200 Received: from Extensa ([195.241.183.120]) by CPSMTPM-TLF104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:15:24 +0200 Message-ID: <36D642DC20944A339A77B05805C821AF@Extensa> From: "PA1SDB, Peter" To: References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:15:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18645 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2012 12:15:24.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D26F880:01CD5395] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello ! http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - Appingedam - JO33kh [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CD5395.5C655630" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:322075136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fe9a82b7e52 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CD5395.5C655630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello ! http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - Appingedam - JO33kh VLF graber: http://www.qsl.net/pa1sdb/ SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blog.htm ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CD5395.5C655630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello !
 
http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.= jpg
 
The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - = Appingedam -=20 JO33kh
 
VLF graber: http://www.qsl.net/pa1sdb/=
SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blo= g.htm
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CD5395.5C655630-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D93D238000086; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiqIh-0007Ma-Sc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:08:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiqIh-0007MR-E0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:08:39 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiqIf-0002jr-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:08:38 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhYKAJRI509cHYH5/2dsb2JhbABEigmqRQOBKoEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMlARYNAg0ZBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBAQklFAEECBIGFggGEwoBAgIBAYdsAwYJB64NCwKJTopQYxp5gVODHAOIFYU2kmWEf4JfgV8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,468,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="39692749" Received: from host-92-29-129-249.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.249]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2012 18:08:37 +0100 Message-ID: <007101cd522b$fcde4970$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04><4FE71CBD.9070006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4B1F3DE9824E460585F59BE79A826473@AGB> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:08:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham Strangely enough I have been around the Pacific Islands some years ago, not Pitcairn but Christmas Is, Malden Is, Fanning Is etc G3KEV/VR4MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 11963a33d604c33786d8f1de94ce267f Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:495199840:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fe749c9594d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Graham Strangely enough I have been around the Pacific Islands some years ago, not Pitcairn but Christmas Is, Malden Is, Fanning Is etc G3KEV/VR4MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? > OT ? > > This is the digital version of Pitcairn Island now, with Mal as the > Master's Mate .. > > Bread fruit anyone ? > > G.. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:07 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > This is not for the LF loop tuner, which uses a 15kV vacuum > > variable and is working fine. The capacitor is for a balanced, > > link-coupled HF tuner. I should have marked my post as OT. > > > > 73 Warren > > > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Stefan Schfer > > wrote: > >> Probably, if Warren wants to have replacement parts for his transmit loop > >> tuner, then he will need parts of another league. 4 kV is nothing as well > >> as > >> 10 A RF current in a loop is nothing :-) > >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC > >> > >> Am 24.06.2012 14:00, schrieb Clemens Paul: > >> > >>> Hi Warren, > >>> > >>> perhaps you might might find something suitable there: > >>> http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm > >>> > >>> They have - among other stuff - split stator cap. kits up to > >>> 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). > >>> > >>> > >>> You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator > >>> capacitor, > >>> so you maybe could realize other values. > >>> > >>> > >>> 73 > >>> Clemens > >>> DL4RAJ > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > >>> To: "rsgb_lf_group" > >>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM > >>> Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? > >>> > >>> > >>> Hello the list, > >>> Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester > >>> which now has taken over Jackson Bros? > >>> I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced > >>> link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... > >>> > >>> -- > >>> 73 Warren K2ORS > >>> WD2XGJ > >>> WD2XSH/23 > >>> WE2XEB/2 > >>> WE2XGR/1 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- > >>> E-Mail ist virenfrei. > >>> Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de > >>> Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5088 - Ausgabedatum: > >>> 23.06.2012 > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > WD2XGJ > > WD2XSH/23 > > WE2XEB/2 > > WE2XGR/1 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B2F5380000A0; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdOLH-00087f-Al for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:16:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdOLG-00087W-Ox for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:16:46 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdOLE-00052q-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:16:45 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFAPZ1009cHntw/2dsb2JhbABFnn4DjyeGMYEIgg8EEQMBAQNJAiELAggCAQYBGwInEgECAQEaBiQZBAECAgEBh363epEQA4gNhTF6gR6VQ4Jg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,382,1336345200"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="540953793" Received: from host-92-30-123-112.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.123.112]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 17:16:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000901cd465b$3fdb5740$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:16:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF Mk2 LF Transmitter currently in service, performs well. A modified Decca 5501 with appropriate psu's Two qso's this morning with G3XDV two way 136.5 Khz and GW0EZY 136.5/7033 XBAND. De Mal/G3KEV LF [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_OBFU_JPG_ATTACH BODY: JPG attachment with generic MIME type 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e8b18434a8149229b143a95e4b01f33e Subject: LF: Emailing: 137 DECCA TX 043 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD465B.3F7BF930" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81380 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430449184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b4fd3772519b8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD465B.3F7BF930 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD465B.3F7BF930" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD465B.3F7BF930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF Mk2 LF Transmitter currently in service, performs well. A modified Decca = 5501 with appropriate psu's=20 Two qso's this morning with G3XDV two way 136.5 Khz and GW0EZY = 136.5/7033 XBAND. De Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD465B.3F7BF930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    LF
Mk2 LF Transmitter currently in service, = performs well. A=20 modified Decca 5501 with appropriate psu's
Two qso's this morning with G3XDV two way = 136.5  Khz=20 and GW0EZY 136.5/7033 XBAND.
De Mal/G3KEV
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear members of the old and new rsgb_lf_group reflectors, my motto is "live and let live". In my opinion the new (yahoogroups) reflector is better. As mentioned before nobody is forced to visit the website and deal with the adds. Just digest the messages by e-mail (as I do). [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b08ad821341ca291e1fd930f7b9292d3 Subject: RE: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C685D0DICTSSMBX5lunaku_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:144582336:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fcb61f8563d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C685D0DICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear members of the old and new rsgb_lf_group reflectors, my motto is "live and let live". In my opinion the new (yahoogroups) reflector is better. As mentioned befor= e nobody is forced to visit the website and deal with the adds. Just digest= the messages by e-mail (as I do). BUT ... Why closing down the old (blacksheep) reflector? It is clear that a numbers= of members just want to stay there and for whatever reasons do not like ya= hoogroups. Anyone is free to join either one of the refelctors (and miss a part of the= fun) or both (and receive some messages double). Meanwhile it is clear that there are strong opinions about this. Repeating = them over and over will hardly make someone to change his mind, it will onl= y cause irritation. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C685D0DICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear members= of the old and new rsgb_lf_group reflectors= ,

 

my motto is "l= ive and let live".

In my opinion the new (yahoogroups) reflector is better. As mentioned before nobody is forced to visit= the website and deal with the adds. Just di= gest the messages by e-mail (as I do).

BUT ...

Why closing = down the old (blacksheep) reflector? It is&n= bsp;clear that a numbers of members<= /a> just want to stay there and&nb= sp;for whatever reasons do not like yahoogroups.

Anyone is free to&n= bsp;join either one of the refelct= ors (and miss a part of the fun) or both<= /a> (and receive some messages double).=

Meanwhile it= is clear that there are strong=  opinions about this. Repeating<= /a> them over and over will hardly = ;make someone to change his mind, it wil= l only cause irritation.

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

--_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C685D0DICTSSMBX5lunaku_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8857338000098; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbElR-0003ji-OZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:38:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbElR-0003jZ-Ap for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:38:53 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbElP-0002vr-DQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:38:52 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApkBADWgy09OlnGb/2dsb2JhbAANN4strBQBAQEBAgF+BwQLBAUIBAEBAQkWCAcJAwIBAgEPJQkIEwYCAQGHeQMGq3MNiU6KMWCCeoMWA5UbinuHXA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="374202271" Received: from host-78-150-113-155.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.2.7]) ([78.150.113.155]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 03 Jun 2012 18:38:48 +0100 Message-ID: <4FCBA128.3040102@psk31.plus.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:38:48 +0100 From: g3zjo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> In-Reply-To: <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 03/06/2012 17:56, Tony wrote: > Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM > *Subject:* LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE > > Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. > > And Mal turned that into :- [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1bc6486c2865e7dc2ff7578e6d7fc226 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020005040309060001010606" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:523383168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fcba16b3092 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020005040309060001010606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 17:56, Tony wrote: > Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM > *Subject:* LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE > > Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. > > And Mal turned that into :- > ban persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his A typical Mal-opposed-ism. I bet he was hoping for no archive, thanks Tony. Eddie --------------020005040309060001010606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 17:56, Tony wrote:
Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
<snip>

And Mal turned that into :-

ban persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his

A typical Mal-opposed-ism.

I bet he was hoping for no archive, thanks Tony.

Eddie


--------------020005040309060001010606-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7CCF638000093; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbE6o-0002iC-T9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:56:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbE6o-0002i3-E6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:56:54 +0100 Received: from relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net ([217.69.40.75] helo=uk1rly2283.eechost.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbE6m-0002dK-Qd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:56:53 +0100 Received: from [88.151.27.235] (helo=Shack) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SbE2V-00021C-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:52:27 +0100 Message-ID: <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> From: "Tony" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:56:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Auth-Info: 3810@permanet.ie (login) X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 217.69.40.75 (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net) used invalid HELO/EHLO uk1rly2283.eechost.net - verification failed X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [217.69.40.75 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (tonybaldwin[at]yahoo.com) 1.0 FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 'From' yahoo.com does not match 'Received' headers 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 18c0ce4cbca80559a8b22b14cd653174 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0212_01CD41A9.DD4DE300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:490617888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fcb977f337e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0212_01CD41A9.DD4DE300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.=20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20 Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that = a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose = opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging = or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised = group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to = lies. Eddie ------=_NextPart_000_0212_01CD41A9.DD4DE300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 = 9:51 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" = Yahoo group=20 instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. =
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 g3zjo=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some = time back=20 indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban = persons=20 like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his,  this = is=20 hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth = operation of any=20 organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but = please=20 don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes, I agree too. It's the best piece of common sense there's been for a while about this. Well done Clive! Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3zjo" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.146.177.125 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498226144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d267.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fcc6c7d2eae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes, I agree too. It's the best piece of common sense there's been for a while about this. Well done Clive! Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3zjo" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > Yes its a good compromise and I never feel pain or distress when receiving > mails from two sources personally. > > Eddie > > On 04/06/2012 08:40, Graham wrote: >> Yes 'Flash' traffic only on the ref >> >> G. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Clive Lorton" >> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:04 AM >> To: ; >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep >> >>> Gentlemen, >>> >>> Im beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. >>> Blacksheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo >>> for technical discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be >>> archived and design/construction projects can make full use of the >>> search function and files section of Yahoo. >>> >>> Just my two pence worth.. >>> >>> Clive g8poc >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5043 - Release Date: 06/03/12 >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2C9B438000082; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbATM-0007JI-5v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:03:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbATL-0007J9-Is for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:03:55 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbATI-0001JJ-HO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:03:54 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q53D3osd022823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:03:50 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q53D3ojV018872 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:03:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB605D.9000308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:02:21 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCB4FAE.5070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Roger, I didn't expect that you try to understand me. At least i hope that you (and John) don't ignore that here are many others who do not want a yahoo group due to various reasons and will not migrate without a fatal disharmony in a new group! *Please do not ignore that!* [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 54c274b8b0f8da777e8f702c98fe24ad Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040503020905020808000609" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435429088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fcb60f03ca2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040503020905020808000609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q53D3osd022823 Roger, I didn't expect that you try to understand me. At least i hope that you=20 (and John) don't ignore that here are many others who do not want a=20 yahoo group due to various reasons and will not migrate without a fatal=20 disharmony in a new group! *Please do not ignore that!* We all know some additional features of a yahoo group but these will not=20 achieve much more on LF! Is your intention really to gain newcomers by=20 making old emails available? Really? I think it is rather a power game,=20 who will be the winners party. But there will be only losers and the=20 conversations will suffer in harmony! For example, PA7EY is a very newcomer here on LF. He was moved to LF=20 because he discovered my (often complained) CW beacon on 137.0 kHz. Newcomers are gained by doing exciting things in the presence, not in=20 the past!! And most of the group member never became tired to repeat the=20 basics how to set up a TX system for example. Contrarwise, we like to=20 talk about the basics and often this caused new discussions where many=20 learned something new. A part of the nice work here. "AND SO MUCH MORE" MORE is not always the question! Sometimes a well=20 known place works better. You know my very old car from the VLF images.=20 It is 23 years old. There are MANY cars which offer SO MUCH MORE (air=20 conditioning, air bags, seat heater....) but i simply want to drive this=20 car. It is my car! There are also XYLs that can do SO MUCH MORE. Would you change? Stefan Am 03.06.2012 14:31, schrieb Roger Lapthorn: > Stefan, > > Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about. Everything this=20 > reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be achieved with the new Yahoo=20 > Group. > > Please, support it. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > On 3 June 2012 12:51, Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 > > wrote: > > > > > > > --=20 > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ > http://qss2.blogspot.com/ > --------------040503020905020808000609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger,

I didn't expect that you try to understand me. At least i hope that you (and John) don't ignore that here are many others who do not want a yahoo group due to various reasons and will not migrate without a fatal disharmony in a new group!
Please do not ignore that!

We all know some additional features of a yahoo group but these will not achieve much more on LF! Is your intention really to gain newcomers by making old emails available? Really? I think it is rather a power game, who will be the winners party. But there will be only losers and the conversations will suffer in harmony!

For example, PA7EY is a very newcomer here on LF. He was moved to LF because he discovered my (often complained) CW beacon on 137.0 kHz.
Newcomers are gained by doing exciting things in the presence, not in the past!! And most of the group member never became tired to repeat the basics how to set up a TX system for example. Contrarwise, we like to talk about the basics and often this caused new discussions where many learned something new. A part of the nice work here.

"AND SO MUCH MORE"  MORE is not always the question! Sometimes a well known place works better. You know my very old car from the VLF images. It is 23 years old. There are MANY cars which offer SO MUCH MORE (air conditioning, air bags, seat heater....) but i simply want to drive this car. It is my car!
There are also XYLs that can do SO MUCH MORE. Would you change?

 Stefan


Am 03.06.2012 14:31, schrieb Roger Lapthorn:
Stefan,

Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about. Everything this reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be achieved with the new Yahoo Group.

Please, support it.

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 3 June 2012 12:51, Stefan Schäfer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:





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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

--------------040503020905020808000609-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0352D3800008B; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1jT-0002FS-1G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:44:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1jS-0002FJ-FR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:44:38 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg1jR-0004LI-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:44:37 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFAD8L3U9cHYyy/2dsb2JhbABFn3IDlV6BCIIPBBQBAQNJAiELAggCAQYBHTkBBBoGCBwdAQICAQGHfrdxkXMDiA+FNJdegmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,424,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="396152725" Received: from host-92-29-140-178.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.178]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 23:44:31 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01cd4c11$9533fe20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:44:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan At last a QSO hi. Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were 569 solid copy with heavy QRN on the band. At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. Glad to be your first CW QSO on MF 73 es gl de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 1708620d3ce65bee0beaaede7929769a Subject: LF: qso dk7fc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4C11.94B33560" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:386831200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fdd0c9a2a6b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4C11.94B33560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan At last a QSO hi.=20 Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were 569 = solid copy with heavy QRN on the band. At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. Glad to be your first CW = QSO on MF 73 es gl de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4C11.94B33560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
At last a QSO hi.
Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 = report. I=20 cfm u were 569 solid copy with heavy QRN on the band.
At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. = Glad to be=20 your first CW QSO on MF
73 es gl de mal/g3kev
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ? We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [193.253.67.226 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (manginbenoit.pro[at]laposte.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: d63ea50e288c5ecb9bd7a86eeabe94f2 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_594927_574399254.1339069782714" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:458771072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fd095a12cfe X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_Part_594927_574399254.1339069782714 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) granting MF acc= ess to the amateur service so fast ? We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our tutelage= administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. 73 Ben=20 > Message du 07/06/12 13:16 > De : "mal hamilton"=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > Stefan > I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also EI0CF many times dur= ing > the winter months. > I work QSO mode only and no beacons. > I have also had some QSO'S with Russian stations, they call me on 7033 an= d I > reply on 502 normally although I have vfo control. > I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 but not SLOWER > When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will end next January > Mal/g3kev >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > To:=20 > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz >=20 >=20 > > Hi Joe, LF, > > > > Yes, we're here of course :-) > > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy > > narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. > > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when > > the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended > > frequency range then or will you have to QSY? > > And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? > > Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? > > It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however > > with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: > > > > > > Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... > > > > > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and > > > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. > > > > > > 73 > > > Joe VO1NA > > > > > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions= at > > > > http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.p= hp > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 Une messagerie gratuite, garantie =C3=A0 vie et des services en plus, =C3= =A7a vous tente ? Je cr=C3=A9e ma bo=C3=AEte mail www.laposte.net ------=_Part_594927_574399254.1339069782714 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) granting M= F access to the amateur service so fast ?

We in France still did= not hear even the smallest whisper from our tutelage administration. Or ma= ybe am I not well informed.

73

Ben 

<= br />

> Message du 07/06/12 13:16
> De= : "mal hamilton"
> A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Copie à :
> Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
&g= t;
> Stefan
> I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlant= ic also EI0CF many times during
> the winter months.
> I wo= rk QSO mode only and no beacons.
> I have also had some QSO'S with = Russian stations, they call me on 7033 and I
> reply on 502 normall= y although I have vfo control.
> I work on CW and if condx get diff= icult I work QRS3 but not SLOWER
> When the new band starts the old= 500 khz band will end next January
> Mal/g3kev
>
>= ;
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stefan Sch&= auml;fer"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:4= 5 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
>
>
> > Hi Joe, LF,
> >
> > Yes, we're here of cou= rse :-)
> > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is= home made and vy
> > narrow band. But i'm going to have a suita= ble RX in some time.
> > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocat= ions. What happens to them when
> > the new 475 kHz band becomes= permitted? Will you have an extended
> > frequency range then o= r will you have to QSY?
> > And what about the chances of this b= and? How easy is a TA detection?
> > Would it be possible to hav= e a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance?
> > It would be possible = for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however
> > with a 1W (= EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem...
> >
> > 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> >
> >
> > A= m 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:
> > >
> &g= t; > Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa....
> > >=
> > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID = and
> > > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed.
&g= t; > >
> > > 73
> > > Joe VO1NA
>= > >
> > > This electronic communication is governed by= the terms and conditions at
> > >
> http://www.mun.c= a/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php
> > = >
> >
>
>
>
------=_Part_594927_574399254.1339069782714-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D28C138000081; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd7L3-0002d5-1Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:07:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd7L2-0002ct-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:07:24 +0100 Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.169.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd7Kz-0001Nk-MN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:07:23 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q58M70DW017506 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:07:00 -0400 Received: from core-msb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.141]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8F0D9E000082 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:07:00 -0400 (EDT) References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36301-STANDARD Received: from 77.190.100.187 by web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.142) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:07:00 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF13DA2999C95F-250-7AFD@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [77.190.100.187] Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:07:00 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1339193220; bh=BK9knvDgFLRTlXW7rQDbP3TbXmC4HP7/DoNTo3Xcr0I=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AtKKY/djvJwJpbXQLc+fH7+PIcuTpkgzaTnEuYnZ+lwMhFChjJw3PEEwI/ggrhAV7 sf08w+GMG7q7ZIL1Uw3/6kjCgvjEPICS9EN8v/6A2FEY3FzIk2oAILA12Gh4bWGhPK FOaUdd+Vi5VrmkPDO3bIaoiF5LqcRKCeAq70za0Y= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427696704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, just sent a test carrier on 137710 for a couple of minutes from my Marconi (the outdoor antenna ;-). SNR in QRSS3 was 41 dB in Heidelberg, and around 20 dB on the temporary grabber. Of course the ferrite antenna might not have been pointing my way. Any chance you could place it outside the car? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.169.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 9bd342c7d74bc0c7d15d59c1164ca995 Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF13DA2999C95F_250_20570_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453939712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m404.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4fd277d000e5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF13DA2999C95F_250_20570_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Stefan, =20 just sent a test carrier on 137710 for a couple of minutes from my Marconi = (the outdoor antenna ;-). SNR in QRSS3 was 41 dB in Heidelberg, and around = 20 dB on the temporary grabber. Of course the ferrite antenna might not hav= e been pointing my way. Any chance you could place it outside the car? Greetings to the gang, have fun! Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 8 Jun 2012 9:07 pm Betreff: Re: LF: Fieldday Hello Mike, LF The grabber is running now. We have WLAN on the camping yard :-) I'm=20 unning the ferrite antenna and netbook INSIDE my car! It's quite stormy=20 nd i want to stay with the others arround the fire for some time.=20 owever the RX is running and i hope the upload will be stable. just stopped the beacon so my noiseblanker can work properly. ry if you can make a signal coming through at http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html Jpg upload via dropbox out of the car ;-) Tomorrow when the QRN is low we may try a QSO. The K9AY antenna i tried is = not=20 uitable but maybe i can find the preamp somewhere in all the radio stuff i'= m=20 arrying arround here all the time ;-) 73! Stefan/DK7FC Am 08.06.2012 15:25, schrieb Mike Dennison: Stefan, I can offer a sked, but what sort of transmission do you want? Your CW sigs are very good again today with less static - see the picture on my new activity blog: http://g3xdv.blog.com The picture shows DCF39 only a little stronger than you - this is rubbish of course, as that station was leaking round my CW filter. 73 de Mike =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 > Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and > experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and > shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ > (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49FV26GJ). If someone of the > others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some > images to > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html > Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I > will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > =20 =20 ----------MB_8CF13DA2999C95F_250_20570_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Hi Stefan,
 
just sent a test carrier on 137710 for a couple of minutes f= rom my Marconi (the outdoor antenna ;-). SNR in QRSS3 was 41 dB i= n Heidelberg, and around 20 dB on the temporary grabber. Of course the= ferrite antenna might not have been pointing my way. Any chance you could&= nbsp;place it outside the car?
 
Greetings to the gang, have fun!

Best 73,
Markus

= -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 8 Jun 2012 9:07 pm
Betreff: Re: LF: Fieldday

Hello =
Mike, LF

The grabber is running now. We have WLAN on the camping yard :-) I'm=20
running the ferrite antenna and netbook INSIDE my car! It's quite stormy=20
and i want to stay with the others arround the fire for some time.=20
However the RX is running and i hope the upload will be stable.
I just stopped the beacon so my noiseblanker can work properly.
Try if you can make a signal coming through at

http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_L=
F_Grabber4.html

Jpg upload via dropbox out of the car ;-)

Tomorrow when the QRN is low we may try a QSO. The K9AY antenna i tried is =
not=20
suitable but maybe i can find the preamp somewhere in all the radio stuff i=
'm=20
carrying arround here all the time ;-)

73! Stefan/DK7FC

Am 08.06.2012 15:25, schrieb Mike Dennison:
> Stefan,
>
> I can offer a sked, but what sort of transmission do you want?
>
> Your CW sigs are very good again today with less static - see the
> picture on my new activity blog: http://g3xdv.blog.com
> The picture shows DCF39 only a little stronger than you - this is
> rubbish of course, as that station was leaking round my CW filter.
>
> 73 de Mike
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>
>   =20
>> Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and
>> experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes =
and
>> shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ
>> (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49FV26GJ). If someone o=
f the
>> others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some
>> images to
>> http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vl=
f/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html
>> Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested=
. I
>> will stay there until saturday 13 UTC.
>>
>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>>
>>     =20
>
>
>   =20
----------MB_8CF13DA2999C95F_250_20570_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9AD6338000089; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfznW-0000wL-AU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:40:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfznV-0000wC-UD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:40:41 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfznU-0003nr-FB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:40:40 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.176]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:40:40 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.24]) by cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:40:39 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:40:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:40:39 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2012 20:40:39.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A538170:01CD4C00] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? At te mom you are becoming better. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443283712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fdcef7c1a45 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? At te mom you are becoming better. Jan/pa3abk On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Schfer wrote: > MF, > > Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter > in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the > input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much > better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still > not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. > > My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look > for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters > in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth > a try. > > Starting now! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 676A838000085; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkFJj-0005xm-8y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:03:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkFJi-0005xd-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:03:30 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkFJg-0002Zy-OM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:03:29 +0100 Received: from IMAP4 (balancer7.mediabeam.com [10.100.1.80]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5SE3RmW017937 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:03:27 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:03:26 +0200 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <2cf96a2ade514f53b8ce121dbfc0ee98@kabelmail.de> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in jo43sv. the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----81FB84ADEA054942BE56CD6C00C711E2" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445237440:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fec64675b8a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------81FB84ADEA054942BE56CD6C00C711E2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid=2E all 599 in jo43sv=2E the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6=2E25 sq m tuned to 475kHz=2E the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn=2E so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient=2E GL Uwe/dj89wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 06:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC If=A0someone is=A0interested i=A0may=A0convert the circuit=A0from=A0my=A0= mind=A0into a schematic as a=A0png file=2E=20 Always=A0interested ;-)=20 73, Rik=A0=A0ON7YD - OR7T ------81FB84ADEA054942BE56CD6C00C711E2 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

last two nights on the air:
oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid=2E all 599 in jo43sv=2E

the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6=2E25 sq m tuned to 475kHz=2E

the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn=2E

so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insuffici= ent=2E

GL
Uwe/dj89wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 06:35
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file=2E

 <= /p>

Always in= terested ;-)

 <= /p>

73, Rik &= nbsp;ON7YD - OR7T

------81FB84ADEA054942BE56CD6C00C711E2-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5A44E3800010E; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuTH-0001pq-EP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:47:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuTH-0001ph-1t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:47:59 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjuTE-0005eI-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:47:57 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5RFluPj025052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:47:56 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5RFlrCA011745 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:47:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEB2ABB.3060107@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:46:03 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4EB9F9BF57C243B4AC853AECF32B69EE@uwePC> <4FEB32BA.27983.18457B5@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4FEB32BA.27983.18457B5@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mike, Thanks for the useful collection! It gives some advice which QRG is probably in use... 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:457153632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174feb2b5845d1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Mike, Thanks for the useful collection! It gives some advice which QRG is probably in use... 73, Stefan Am 27.06.2012 17:20, schrieb Mike Dennison: > Uwe, > > This is an NDB in Darlowo, Poland. See my list of frequently heard > 472kHz stations at: > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/500kHz/index.htm > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > >> Hi >> Who is it ? >> SA >> >> Uwe dk1kq >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5C9BD380000B9; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SinsV-0006Lj-7A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:33:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SinsU-0006La-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:33:26 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SinsT-00029V-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:33:25 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5OEXO2T022484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:33:24 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5OEXOCE009475 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:33:24 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE724C6.5080801@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:31:34 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <12295237.1340546569220.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <12295237.1340546569220.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Chris, Thanks. Now i can see it! Yes, the output winding is floating and connected to C18, C10; C17 and so on. 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460455040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b4fe725696d3f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Chris, Thanks. Now i can see it! Yes, the output winding is floating and connected to C18, C10; C17 and so on. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 24.06.2012 16:02, schrieb Chris Trask: >> Thanks for sharing this interesting paper. Well, the circuit looks quite >> complex but the image of the final construction looks compact. >> Since we got access to 472 kHz a weeks ago, i need another receive >> antenna now, since all my front ends are resonanted, i.e. mono band. So >> the advantage of a single receive antenna becomes more and more >> convincing to me. Of course it needs a high dynamic range without >> distortion of the spectrum then.. >> >> A question: The DC supply voltage is connected to e.g. C16? >> >> > It's connected by way of the output pin, so you send the DC supply right up the coax instead of having to run additional wires. You'll need a bias tee down at the receiver end, and I describe one at the end of this paper: > > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper021.html > > >> What might be the lower cutoff frequency if values for the input LP and >> HP filters are well choosen? It should be possible to extend the circuit >> to the VLF range (?). >> >> > The amplifier itself without the input filter will go down to about 100-200kHz. To go lower than that you'll need to increase to capacitor values plus change the transformer core material to Fair-Rite 77 or something similar. > > > Chris Trask > N7ZWY / WDX3HLB > Senior Member IEEE > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 42A6E3800009F; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdk6B-0003cE-Gx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:30:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdk6B-0003c5-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:30:39 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sdk68-0000Yu-Qg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:30:37 +0100 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120610153034.ISAO3118.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:30:34 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120610153034.FBED3795.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:30:34 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:30:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4FD4CBA4.29154.B00FF00@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=v7GFXmkIAAAA:8 a=op-6s5HL1wfCHh1t8noA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Received a Hell CQ from DF8XV this afternoon at a good strength. He did not reply to my call. Who/where was he? Screen grab at: http://g3xdv.blog.com Mike, G3XDV ========== [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: ddae800c6581715278ab3184b42d46db Subject: LF: DF8XV? 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Screen grab at: http://g3xdv.blog.com Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 94DBC380000B8; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjd9n-000776-Gz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:18:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjd9m-00076x-H4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:18:42 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjd9l-0000bR-7K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:18:41 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews15.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.182]) by cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:18:40 +0200 X-Brand: /q/rzKX13g== Received: from CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.5]) by cpsps-ews15.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:18:40 +0200 Received: from Extensa ([195.241.183.120]) by CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:18:38 +0200 Message-ID: <8891F24A59404592B6BD262BA56C74E2@Extensa> From: "PA1SDB, Peter" To: References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <36D642DC20944A339A77B05805C821AF@Extensa> <4FE9AB62.1040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE9AB62.1040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 21:18:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18645 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2012 21:18:38.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[40AF26E0:01CD53E1] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CD53E1.40623F60"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81761 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:476493728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4fea27935ec8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CD53E1.40623F60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00CD_01CD53E1.40628D80" ------=_NextPart_001_00CD_01CD53E1.40628D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Stefan, all... If this was SAQ tonight between 17 and 19h UTC, then it is time for them to QRPp :-) I'm able to listen with Spectrum Lab or with SAQrx by Johan Bodin, SM6LKM. I tried to catch SAQ last year with a small passive loop, but no luck. Is the SAQ TX frequency always unstable like last evening with 100 Hz drift (if that was SAQ) Best 73's, Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Hi Peter, You will surely have audible reception at that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-) Are you prepared to listen? 73, Stefan Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: Hello ! http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - Appingedam - JO33kh VLF graber: http://www.qsl.net/pa1sdb/ SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blog.htm ------=_NextPart_001_00CD_01CD53E1.40628D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Stefan, all...
 
If this was SAQ tonight between 17 and 19h = UTC, then it=20 is time for them to QRPp :-)
I'm able to listen with Spectrum Lab or with = SAQrx by=20 Johan Bodin, SM6LKM.
I tried to catch SAQ last year with a = small passive=20 loop, but no luck.
Is the SAQ TX frequency always unstable=20 like last evening with 100 Hz drift (if that was = SAQ)
 
Best 73's, Peter.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 12:30=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor = here...

Hi Peter,

You will surely have audible = reception at=20 that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-)
Are you = prepared to=20 listen?

73, Stefan

Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, = Peter:=20
Hello !
 
http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg
 
The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - = Appingedam - JO33kh
 
SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blog.htm
 
 
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I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver like=20 the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It will be=20 easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm -> 18 kOhm=20 -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small box and then=20 there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and others behave on=20 long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas... 73, Stefan Am 29.06.2012 23:03, schrieb Mike: > Stefan > Have you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not=20 > sure if it is the same on both ends? > I would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both ends. > Mike G3JVL > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*On Behalf Of *Stefan > Sch=E4fer > *Sent:* 29 June 2012 21:27 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters > > 4th try... > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters > Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 > Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > MF, > > I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 4= 73 > kHz. It is available at > http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.htm= l > (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured= the > frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the > impedances to be connected to the wires. > There is even a datasheet at > http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf > > All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very > sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very ve= ry > high. See the image: > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20= kHz.png > > So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? > > The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and = green > wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and > green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green an= d red > wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. > Helpful was this image from the web > http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg whic= h > shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to t= he > output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as > stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > =20 > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2433.1.1/5098 - Release Date: > 06/29/12 07:34:00 > --------------030508080900060300070700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TLuADc028342 MF,

It becomes better!

I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver like the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It will be easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm -> 18 kOhm -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small box and then there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and others behave on long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas...

73, Stefan

Am 29.06.2012 23:03, schrieb Mike:
Stefan
Have you included the 300pF capacitor (I do no= t read German) and not sure if it is the same on both ends?
I would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both ends.
Mike G3JVL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf = Of Stefan Sch=E4fer
Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters

4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betre= ff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum= : Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: = Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de>
An: <= /th> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.htm=
l=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
htt=
p://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20=
473%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green=20
wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red=20
wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
h=
ttp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

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--------------030508080900060300070700-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C16B338000083; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh6xe-0006x2-2G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:31:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh6xd-0006wt-Jj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:31:45 +0100 Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh6xb-0006tY-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:31:44 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.233] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2012 22:31:42 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.118] by tm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2012 22:31:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2012 22:31:42 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 687604.55715.bm@omp1027.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 48837 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2012 22:31:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340145102; bh=mRNmLdNRciwPXy6UyzAym18k2fKuvXoatNYYDk/e86Q=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=53MVpd1mmTnTTQ9oxv8bQwBL+4E5MQKTfjwyaSQKIz/ALNB92QH8job8MQELXaDAeUg+3LVO4cQICFqqlLYUsdK8NuTCv/Dwt0x1W4IrpDBr2d9vBy815U/dkbDDdGUmzCtKDZmnqCiPKVAzMdBuARCbwUi8JLgK7GjfnlWGgMQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a04j4iemJZiPjGujTHsZYublrPdXtYY/v3vu4IBedQK/zEsAioBy6d+C/eH9/eKQXNIlLPAytk9ZOWyfNmHvWxSubvwnihXZ33xYsxIw+44dTrdaqcXGry4jfD5GG5NaF6o+qQdub6B7omwGdYN5XMSLqwcS8sA37m92pGlg6vs=; X-YMail-OSG: ARmuMYQVM1nw44EnLpLrmMXBYVTjLuUOdhGHatR7P8.qDD. _q6aDcJEPe7VygoYnadLB6oDEy8rOyyl5.6bQnDwsaQvk1TuVBTNapvBiNmt Tob3VoZ.leG8_EeQvfBIcRbNGnsEeDmoxRpujZ220jwL_mEc5QZANcHgn3jU rVcPVikbMJZGi9Y4gVdZGIHkBnXKG2prIMAYhtjSHwmocl3.1VRUyP7RwNOr bYgXVZD9ydTEmNX0U8Onr6.2dnQCtZHanXRvfHXn5PISKfR_Q3XumPtaK3Dt HGT3Efq6o_MKExiZxx7axczYtcUa8tzGbpLbY0uKG7s8Y6FVe5e1FZDO8ns3 P1p.BB8.64XvyYl_vBjelwtMv9VEuLmSvgEHxbY5tUbVX_OzvwQ4xqvRSfrl d6fB6HzX3h78oNd6qQ2rdMwiEvWa4yMzkkFY5Em13 Received: from [82.39.62.205] by web171401.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:31:42 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1340145102.46628.YahooMailNeo@web171401.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:31:42 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Thayne To: rsgb lf MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hello Stefan, Heard your CQ and final message "QRT for tonight tnx for listening cu agn 73 de DK7FC" Solid signal no Interference and 569. finishing at 2223utc. 73, Mike g3gms ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:20 PM Subject: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g3gms[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 7b4dbd93955117b98f3a6ac4d7602f88 Subject: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:508611712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d294.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4fe0fe0b1ee9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan,=0A=0AHeard your CQ and final message "QRT for tonight tnx for= listening cu agn 73 de DK7FC"=0ASolid signal no Interference and 569. fini= shing at 2223utc.=0A=0A73, Mike g3gms=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFro= m: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" =0ATo: =0ASent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:20 PM =0ASubject= : LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW=0A=0A> just in case someone wants...=0A> I will ca= ll until 22 =0AUT if no one replies...=0A> =0A> 73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 56CD138000082; 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sorry Stefan no chance of a test on 136 I have been QRV for local qsos I will put out a call for contacts when I get things going again. I am seeing you regularly sending DFCW on 136. Will be intouch. GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.207 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c6a8ca7629fac3d35507e5a7fd3cbf17 Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-768130977-1338666755=:95052" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484566016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fca6f5a79e4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-768130977-1338666755=:95052 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Stefan no chance of a test on 136 I have been QRV for local qsos I wi= ll put out a call for contacts when I get things going again. I am seeing y= ou regularly=A0sending DFCW on 136. Will be intouch.=0A=A0=0A=A0GL Pete M0F= MT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Stefan Sch=E4fe= r =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 19:58=0ASubject: LF: LF/MF=0A =0A=0A =0A= Hi Pete, LF,=0A=0APete, the RIG sounds good. Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well= ? We could try=0Afor a QSO if you like. So far i didn't see you there on th= e band if i=0Aremember correctly.=0A=0A73, Stefan=0A=0AAm 02.06.2012 19:41,= schrieb M0FMT: =0A=A0 =0A>The Rig I=A0described it is capable of much high= er power=0A(depending upon output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in= PA=0Avoltage it's currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltag= e=0Aregulators for the logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max,= =0Awith this rig, limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I= =0Acould separate the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the device= =0AI supose. =0A>The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter=0A= transformer via a short=A0coax lead then to=A02 link turns,=A0then from the= =0A"Top" of the transformer to the=A0up lead which goes through teflon=0Ain= sulating washers throught the wall and straight up=A0 to the 8inch ribbed g= lass=A0insulator about 35=0Afeet then on=A0a slope to a 24foot mast (soon t= o increased to 35feet).=0ATuned against several long earthing wires. =0A>= =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A> --435439028-768130977-1338666755=:95052 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry Stefan no cha= nce of a test on 136 I have been QRV for local qsos I will put= out a call for contacts when I get things going again. I am seeing you reg= ularly sending DFCW on 136. Will be intouch.
 
 GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.d= e>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Sent: Saturda= y, 2 June 2012, 19:58
Subject: LF: LF/MF

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=0AHi Pete, LF,
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=0APete, the RIG sounds good. = Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well? We could try=0Afor a QSO if you like. So fa= r i didn't see you there on the band if i=0Aremember correctly.
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= =0A73, Stefan
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=0AAm 02.06.2012 19:41, schrieb M0FMT:=0A=0A
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The Rig I de= scribed it is capable of much higher power=0A(depending upon output FET cur= rently an IR840?) with increase in PA=0Avoltage it's currently got 12volts = applied. Because I use 7812 voltage=0Aregulators for the logic stages they = will only stand about 25volts max,=0Awith this rig, limits the power to aro= und 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I=0Acould separate the supply to the PA and= get a lot more from the device=0AI supose.
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The= output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter=0Atransformer via a sh= ort coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the=0A"Top" of= the transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon=0Ainsulating= washers throught the wall and straight up  to the 8inch ribbed glass insulator about 35=0Afeet = then on a slope to a 24foot mast (soon to increased to 35feet).=0ATune= d against several long earthing wires.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Ken I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there is enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the components listing. 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I won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficienc= y output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier= . The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fu= lly off (which=A0means a device that will operate=A0well into the=A0VHF)=A0= the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say= a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are ta= lking about)=A0at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic fiel= d in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to gene= rate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talkin= g sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on th= e output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wa= ve. Try it.=0A=A0=0AThat chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever a= nd is the guide=A0I use to bring a PA into optimum performance.=0A=A0=0AWha= t I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you are tryi= ng to make a practical and=A0efficient CW TX for LF then=A0there is enough = empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I ha= ve posted=A0that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoret= ical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract from the ti= me it takes to build a very interesting high power, efficient=A0TX design w= ell within anybodies capabilities.=A0The GW3UEP design being IMHO a very go= od (Scalable) example with no=A0RadCom=A0style unobtainium in the component= s listing.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________= ________=0A From: Ken =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09=0ASubject: LF: RE: Class E= etc=0A =0A=0A =0AHi Pete. =0AAbout 40 years ago my integration was=0Aquit= e good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial=0Aintegration= and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems with was=0A3 di= mensional integration of a point in free space . =A0=A0Looking at=0Asome of= the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default.= =0AThe reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unli= ke=0Asemiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. =0A=A0 =0A73= s =0A=A0 =0AKen =0A=A0 =0AM0KHW =0A=A0 =0A=0A______________________________= __=0A =0AFrom:owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A[mailto: owner- rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT=0ASent: 11 June 2012 19:16=0AT= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0ASubject: LF: Class E etc =0A=A0 =0A=A0 = Hi=0AKen =0A=A0 =0AHa=0Aha Stefan, how good is=A0your Integration Ken? = =0A=A0 Here=0Aare a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You= need a good dummy=0Aload and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions f= or the amplifier is to do=0Awith=A0 A/ the correct driver preferably using = a FET drive chip (like TC4422=0Anon and TC4421 inverting) that will turn th= e FET fully=A0on and fully off on=0Aeach cycle. Very fast rise time with ac= curate=A0on off timing (mark /=0Aspace). Ensuring the=A0max permitted gate = voltage for the FET=A0is not=0Aexceeded otherwise they pop, look out for tr= ansients, a diode clamp=0Ahelps.=A0 B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and in= ductance=A0in the=0Adrain=A0circuit can be done empirically See=0Aarticle b= elow. Then follow it with=A0a=A0low pass filter, although the=0Aoutput wave= will be surprisingly clean.=A0Calculating the values is difficult as you d= on't necessarily know=0Aall the starting=A0parameters and in any case=A0the= result is=A0going=0Ato wide of the mark. The site below will gives some st= arting values. Best to=0Ause 'Scope measurements to=0Aset the output condit= ions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise=0Atimes. Gate drive= and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These=0Aamplifiers are ca= pable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy class C=0Aamp. This = means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low at high=0Apower=A0givin= g cool heat-sinks! =0A=A0 The=0AGW3UEP (do a web search) single ended de= sign is capable good efficiency=A0and=0Ahigh power depending upon the FET u= sed and Drain supply voltage. I have=0Amodified one to run reliably at 140w= atts and is capable of almost twice that=0Ainto a dummy load with a heat si= nk that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using=0Athe 'scope to= get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to=0Ago. Th= e article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a= =0A50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape = on the=0A'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load.=A0I = then=0Atransfer my=A0connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tune= d=0Atransformer in the antenna up-lead. I adjust=0Athe coupling link to giv= e the same peak voltage=A0across the tuner link=0Aturns. You are not lookin= g for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy=0Aload indicating a 5= 0ohm match.=A0This is done by either=A0adding or=0Areducing=A0the number of= turns (about two turns) along with bringing the the=0Atransformer to reson= ance by measuring the peak=A0up-lead current,=0Ahere you are looking for th= e maximum peak.=A0=A0 =0A=A0 =0AOh=0Ayes and WIMA high voltage high value= capacitors from Maplin work well. =0A =0A=A0 Read=0Athe articles and sea= rch info on class E amplifiers.=A0 =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0AFor=0Asome bed time = reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure and the=0Apictures = at the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler= /AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf =0A=A0 =0AFor=0Adesign ide= as http://www.classeradio.com/ =0A=A0 =0AFor=0Aa good practical circuit= for a single ended amp=A0that =A0is a scalable surefire=0Adesign, no need = to reinvent the wheel. =0Ahttp://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ =0A =0A=A0 For=0A= antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site" =0A =0Ahttp= ://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ =0A=A0 =0A73=0Aes GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX = ---176341844-148106259-1339499711=:77638 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I be= lieve you can operate some thermionic devices in higher = classes than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a mod= ern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. Th= e high efficiency output stage = has to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it= changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which&= nbsp;means a device that will operate well into the VHF) the= higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a = couple of megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talki= ng about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field = in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency.= We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Alth= ough a scope on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a cle= an looking sine wave. Try it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I use to bring a PA = into optimum performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you a= re trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then the= re is enough empirical data fro= m following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that= will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to = bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract from the time= it takes to build a very interesting= high power, efficient TX design well within anybodies capabili= ties. The GW3UEP design being IMHO a very good (Scala= ble) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in= the components listing.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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---176341844-148106259-1339499711=:77638-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1E4E23800009D; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh6e7-0006gI-Dh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:11:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh6e6-0006g9-T2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:11:34 +0100 Received: from mailout03.t-online.de ([194.25.134.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh6e5-0006kG-8n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:11:33 +0100 Received: from fwd16.aul.t-online.de (fwd16.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout03.t-online.de with smtp id 1Sh6e3-0001bz-W7; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:11:32 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.32] (E2ym0OZp8haBmBdM+jDj4GSfLtVKHnnpPfAPZBfc7nhDxz2OaN9gwq5TpHg65oJwZ3@[91.57.88.163]) by fwd16.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Sh6dy-155vs00; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:11:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To:<4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 19 Jun 2012 22:09 GMT Message-ID: <1Sh6dy-155vs00@fwd16.t-online.de> X-ID: E2ym0OZp8haBmBdM+jDj4GSfLtVKHnnpPfAPZBfc7nhDxz2OaN9gwq5TpHg65oJwZ3 X-TOI-MSGID: ef9f8217-a29b-4bf4-8b0f-23347e276b1c X-RFC2822-Warning: Obsolete format in Date: header X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Stefan, just heard You at 21.57 UTC in normal CW calling cq on 476,5 kHz RST 559 some QSB. It will take some time until I will be QRV on MF; I have not expected the german administration to react so quickly! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.81 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:379798592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fe0f94d6e0d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Stefan, just heard You at 21.57 UTC in normal CW calling cq on 476,5 kHz RST 559 some QSB. It will take some time until I will be QRV on MF; I have not expected the german administration to react so quickly! The beacon SA is RST 569 here, with continuous carrier on 474,5 kHz and two sidebands 1 kHz apart (using a lot of spectrum). 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Stefan Schfer" schrieb: > just in case someone wants... > I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5D44838000089; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkJs0-0007eB-Os for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:55:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkJrz-0007e2-Tg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:55:11 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkJrw-0004xW-OI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:55:10 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcFAIun7E9OlrWL/2dsb2JhbABFAwqCOIJGT5sAkzWCG4EIghMFAQEFCAEBAgEWMwIsAQEDBQIBAQIRBAEBChcHAwICFAEEGgYNCQgGEwoBAgIBAYdsAw8HoX6DTYQqjyaKVGMFBRGEXYESA41NkmiFAIJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,493,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="397193033" Received: from host-78-150-181-139.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.181.139]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2012 19:55:05 +0100 Message-ID: <007301cd555f$87dfaf10$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC18F4.9050608@online.fr> <1340875355.96079.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1340876781.29716.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC7DDF.8050906@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340908899.62897.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:55:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete There are more simple ways to get on 500. Simple dds or sig gen at freq of interest if sine wave just sq it by using a couple of diodes then a driver chip tc4426 use one side and straight into the FET PA then an inductor and a couple of capacitors, an old lopt transformer for matching roughly from 6 ohms to 50 ohms. I built one in a couple of hours away back and it gave good service until I modified a decca unit. Mine was a QRO rig using a big fet at 60 volts to get the required 10w erp You do not need push pull class D to complicate matters. mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.6 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: d186a3cb540ae631597f163017de1e53 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01CD555F.87B25D80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:501719200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4feca8c32dcd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01CD555F.87B25D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete There are more simple ways to get on 500. Simple dds or sig gen at freq = of interest if sine wave just sq it by using a couple of diodes then a driver chip tc4426 use one side and straight into the FET PA then = an inductor and a couple of capacitors, an old lopt transformer for = matching roughly from 6 ohms to 50 ohms. I built one in a couple of = hours away back and it gave good service until I modified a decca unit. Mine was a QRO rig using a big fet at 60 volts to get the required 10w = erp You do not need push pull class D to complicate matters. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Stefan I like this and would like to make to make it. I so far have tracked = down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many construction = projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no = chance of that I suppose? There will be those who tell me its easy to get the bits but unless = you work for a company that uses this stuff it can not be slipped = through the "Purchasing" it becomes a positive stop!!=20 Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min = orders and it said it had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly = collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min = order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En? Hmm = it's plaited ? Wima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in depth but they = usually are. I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source = div. by four. Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not = be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel = the width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more. I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK = source) may be they could publish it?=20 And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is = new and worth while thanks! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 16:53 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi MF,=20 Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: = https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png (picture of = prototype = https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.= JPG) Most of the parts are not critical.=20 The ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are = in the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the = primary and secondary number of turns. There are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N = you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher = input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts. = Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise = between low on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Source = voltage should be 55V for a 12V supply. Instead of RF litz wire (i use this one: = http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI= %20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better = 5x0.4mm or what you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less. The overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it = is quite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for = /p tests. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a = multi step switch and more taps. A DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal = coming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as = the peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before! Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT:=20 Hi again Stefan The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@(( Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be = stranded up to make a synth? =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Stefan = http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/160818253= 496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8 Just over =C2=A35 a pop! = http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-= 8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326= 077 Just over =C2=A36 a pop! But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite? = =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0) Chees Pete FMT From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hello Stephan , Me too=20 73 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ =20 Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3=A9crit : Hi Stephan Me Too 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12 Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC like ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind = into a schematic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01CD555F.87B25D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Pete
There are more simple ways to get on 500. Simple = dds or=20 sig gen at freq of interest if sine wave just sq it by using a couple of = diodes
then a driver chip tc4426 use one side and = straight into=20 the FET PA then an inductor and a couple of capacitors, an old lopt = transformer=20 for matching roughly from 6 ohms to 50 ohms. I built one in a couple of = hours=20 away back and it gave good service until I modified a decca = unit.
Mine was a QRO rig using a big fet at 60 volts = to get the=20 required 10w erp
You do not need push pull class D to complicate=20 matters.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 = 6:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 = kHz PA=20 running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
 
I like this and would like to make to make = it. I so=20 far have tracked down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many construction projects = that fall at=20 the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no chance of that I=20 suppose?
 
There will be those who tell me its easy to = get the=20 bits but unless you work for a company that uses this stuff it = can not be=20 slipped through the "Purchasing" it becomes a positive stop!!=20
Like the Litz I=20 just put that in one of our big outfits with min orders and it said it = had=20 over one hundred thousand Litz and=20 promptly collapsed. But they = have one=20 of the toroids (T1) wow and = its not a=20 min order either double wow! Litz can be=20 fabricated from 0.125 = Cu/En? =20 Hmm it's plaited = ?
Wima caps are=20 available from Maplin = haven't checked in=20 depth but they usually are.
 
I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. by four.
 
Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not = be ideal=20 but are cheap!! 50P (eer = 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but = feel the=20 width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly=20 more.
 
I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a = kitting=20 list (UK source) may be they could publish it? 
 
And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" = but in=20 context it is new and worth while thanks!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT=20 IO91UX
 =20
From:=20 Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, 28 = June=20 2012, 16:53
Subject: Re: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi MF,

Late at = night, i=20 made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.pn= g =20 (picture of prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20P= A%2015W%2B100W.JPG)

Most=20 of the parts are not critical.

The ferrite cores are the blue = EPCOS types, N30 material. = Details are in the=20 image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the primary = and=20 secondary number of turns.

There are many alternatives, also to = the=20 FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance = but a higher=20 input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many = parts.=20 Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise = between low=20 on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Source voltage should = be 55V=20 for a 12V supply.

Instead of RF litz wire (i use this one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D572= 06;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30=20 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what = you=20 have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less.

The overall = dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is quite = compact and=20 since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p tests. Also you = can of=20 course use more than 2 power steps by using a multi step switch and more taps.

A DDS = signal=20 generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal coming from a HF = TX may=20 be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the peak input voltage = exceeds=20 5 Vp.

73, = Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Yes, it is nothing new and = someone has=20 done it before!






Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT:=20
Hi again Stefan
 
The Litz is = too, only by=20 the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@((
 
Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could = be=20 stranded up to make a synth?

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
<= SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20 mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, = 28 June=20 2012, 10:22
Subject: Re:=20 LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/= 160818253496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Dite= m257183ceb8
Just over =C2=A35 a pop!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-= DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3D= item256f326077
Just over =C2=A36 a pop!
But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D=20 ferrite?   =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 = ;0)
Chees Pete=20 FMT
   From: Jean-Pierre = M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Thursday, = 28 June=20 2012, 9:42
Subject: Re: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hello Stephan ,
Me too
73  , Jean-Pierre = F1AFJ =20



Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT = a=20 =C3=A9crit :
Hi Stephan
 
Me Too

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: = Thursday, 28 June=20 2012, 9:12
Subject: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

like
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe =
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM
Subject:=20 LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone = is interested=20 i may convert the=20 circuit from my mind into a schematic as = a png=20 file.
 
Always interested = ;-)
 
73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 = OR7T






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------=_NextPart_000_0070_01CD555F.87B25D80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C064A38000092; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg21i-0002UC-Rd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:03:30 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg21i-0002U3-CI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:03:30 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg21g-0004R0-Sd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:03:29 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews06.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.173]) by cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:03:27 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.18]) by cpsps-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:03:28 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:03:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDD10BF.3050208@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:03:27 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01cd4c0e$aa4abbd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000a01cd4c0e$aa4abbd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2012 23:03:28.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D99D100:01CD4C14] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, Consider this as how things are within the EU. Stefan is initially listening on 477,5 he has his computer (WebSDR) on 502, you were calling 501,7 (I guess) How many more variables you want to get things wrong. I took the liberty to "sneaky" advise him to have a look at your desires :-) He instantly responded. 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Stefan is initially listening on 477,5 he has his computer (WebSDR) on 502, you were calling 501,7 (I guess) How many more variables you want to get things wrong. I took the liberty to "sneaky" advise him to have a look at your desires :-) He instantly responded. We have the luxery of two MF bands. Don't think our "Behrde" will act rapidly until 31/12 when the present license expires. It's a matter of costs. Meanwhile I see a lot of DL stations becoming QRV with nice sigs. What more do we want? Your QSO with Stefan, his sigs peaked around S-8 here, looks vy promissing with only 50W under his key. As he explained, he is quite "new" and his RX bandpass is not tuned to the highband MF. Nevertheless his efforts and enthousiasm should not be curbed. Jan/pa3abk On 17-6-2012 0:23, mal hamilton wrote: > DK7FC calling CQ but no reply to my call on 502 SAME OLD PROBLEM HE > HAS NO EARS on this band either !!!!!!!!!!! > de g3kev -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 405BA38000087; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdPWI-0000GA-0X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:32:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdPWH-0000G1-Cm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:32:13 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdPWF-0005Me-PF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:32:12 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlgJAC6I009cHntw/2dsb2JhbABFigSpIwSBL4EIghMFAQEEAQgBAQNJAiYGAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEBCSUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHdQm3aYsnSIIGgxsDiA2FMZdbgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,382,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="374946809" Received: from host-92-30-123-112.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.123.112]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 18:32:10 +0100 Message-ID: <003501cd4665$cb552ad0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd4658$29338100$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FD37A2D.8080606@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:32:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I know what u mean. Does anyone else????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:518016576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4fd388ec6600 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I know what u mean. Does anyone else????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 > Oh Mal, > > You wrote: > >... > > Mk2 version already in service will appear soon > > ... > > End of World is nigh. > O.K., nice to meet you all > and thanks for the fish! > > Peter, df3lp > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1F8F538000095; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjFkh-0001uI-Pb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:19:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjFkg-0001u9-1w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:19:14 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjFkd-0008B1-BE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:19:12 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.169]) by mwinf5d39 with ME id SkK91j00F3f0J8203kK9QS; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:19:10 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <20120625.113436.1661.631277@mailpop04.vgs.untd.com> <1340654283.10216.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340654283.10216.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:19:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Yes I think Andy gave a talk at the egham convention on using a/d from mobile phones , the new ones had the extra bits to give the full dynamic range on HF ..he was using hardware block convertors ......... never saw any items offered for sale ........only some very high price 'HF rx' using the same ideas ...I think the give away is the band being covered in frequency blocks , which I assume is down to the down convertors [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 94ef9bffc6f89f1cfd7136f29ab9f080 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01CD5318.28D2DA40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473936512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d54fe8c802063c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01CD5318.28D2DA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I think Andy gave a talk at the egham convention on using = a/d from mobile phones , the new ones had the extra bits to = give the full dynamic range on HF ..he was using hardware block = convertors ......... never saw any items offered for sale = ........only some very high price 'HF rx' using the same ideas = ...I think the give away is the band being covered in frequency = blocks , which I assume is down to the down convertors=20 Dont think he is monitoring BS now , or we might of got the = fill in, but one things is certain, the =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle = has saved me from buying a R7000 ...All we need now is a = little more stability in the control software and a wide-band = FM option in HDSDR =20 Im getting the gb3ang beacon on 70 Mhz good signal with my = indoor 2 ele quad .......... the PMR band on 446 Mhz with the = co-linera from 10 miles away in liverpool ssb on 144 MHz etc =20 Definable FM-AFC (AND AM) would be handy to monitor off = frequency nets and the tower/aircraft split=20 I think possible the driver software could improve as more take = up the idea ....... could HDSDR have its own driver code block = .......... Ive noticed there is a routine that some times = appears that 'purges' the device ......now if that could be run = at will , that would be a big help, to recover a locked = system=20 73 -G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Bob If you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at earlier = posts. However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of little interest = to you.=20 You say dangle we say dongle..... :-0 These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug straight = into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving = local digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in = the US and they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. = If I need to tell you more please ask but this is all in public domain = on the web (but not in Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played with = these things for about 6 months now and for a few quid (dollars) are = fun. If you build a simple up converter with a say a 60meg LO guess = what, you have an all band HF radio as well. Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? We = are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "riese-k3djc@juno.com" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 19:34 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =EF=BB=BF=20 Been Kinda out of any loop on this =20 BUT if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct = chip set it will cover MF to HF using an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with = my SDR IQ which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set = HDSDR will run that TV dangle as a HF radio ?? Bob K3DJC On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" = writes: Hello Pete If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid = on the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling = digital down conversion SDR. It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has = a LAN interface for remote access. The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and = VAT. You can find more details here http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description https://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b1022925e I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer. 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Mal The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the = price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D = converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on LF = because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its = worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks = people have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not = sure. It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known = LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 = chipset. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01CD5318.28D2DA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes I think  Andy  gave a talk  at the  = egham =20 convention  on using   a/d  from  mobile  = phones ,=20 the  new  ones had the  extra  bits  to  = give=20 the  full  dynamic  range on  HF ..he  = was =20 using   hardware  block  convertors ......... = never =20 saw  any  items  offered  for  sale =20 ........only  some  very  high price  'HF rx' =20 using  the  same  ideas  ...I think  the =20 give  away  is  the  band  being  covered = in=20 frequency   blocks , which I assume  is  down = to =20 the  down  convertors
 
Dont  think  he is  monitoring  BS now , = or =20 we  might  of  got the  fill  in, but  one = things  is  certain, the =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle  = has =20 saved  me  from  buying  a  R7000 ...All = we =20 need  now  is  a  little  more  = stability  in=20 the   control  software  and  a =20 wide-band  FM option in  HDSDR  =
 
Im getting the  gb3ang   beacon  on  70 = Mhz =20 good  signal  with  my indoor   2 ele  = quad=20 .......... the  PMR band  on  446 Mhz  with = the =20 co-linera  from  10 miles away in liverpool  ssb on 144 = MHz =20 etc 
 
Definable  FM-AFC  (AND  = AM)    would be handy  to  = monitor =20 off  frequency  nets  and the  = tower/aircraft  =20 split
 
I think  possible  the  driver  software =20 could  improve  as  more  take  up  = the =20 idea  ....... could  HDSDR have  its  own  = driver =20 code  block  .......... Ive  noticed there  is = a =20 routine  that  some  times  appears  that  = 'purges'  the  device  ......now  if that  = could =20 be  run at   will  , that  would  be a = big =20 help, to  recover  a  locked   system
 
73 -G.
From: M0FMT
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Bob
 
If you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at = earlier=20 posts.
 
However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of = little=20 interest to you.
 
You say dangle we say dongle..... :-0
 
These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug = straight=20 into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving = local=20 digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in the = US and=20 they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. If I = need to=20 tell you more please ask but this is all in public domain on the web = (but not in=20 Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played with these things for about = 6=20 months now and for a few quid (dollars) are fun. If you build a = simple up=20 converter with a say a 60meg LO guess what, you have an all band HF = radio=20 as well.
 
Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at = below??=20 We are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "riese-k3djc@juno.com"=20 <riese-k3djc@juno.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 25 = June 2012,=20 19:34
Subject: Re: = LF: SDR=20 programs

=EF=BB=BF=20
 
Been Kinda out of any loop on this  
 
BUT
 
if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he = correct chip=20 set
it will cover MF to HF using  an appropriate program. I use = HDSDR with=20 my SDR IQ
which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set = HDSDR
will run that TV dangle as a HF radio
 
??
 
Bob K3DJC
 
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" <tracey.gardner@talktalk.ne= t>=20 writes:
Hello Pete
 
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new = kid on=20 the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel.
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct = sampling=20 digital down conversion SDR.
It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and = has a=20 LAN interface for remote access.
The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping = and VAT.
 
You can find more details here
 
 
 
I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer.
 
73s Tracey G5VU
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT =
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM Subject:=20 Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Mal
 
The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is = the=20 price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D=20 converter. They are not really suitable for or give any = advantage on LF=20 because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a = good sound=20 card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think = its=20 worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks = people=20 have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not = sure. It=20 looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX = suppiers=20 do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 = chipset.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 


------=_NextPart_000_0057_01CD5318.28D2DA40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F2FFA38000084; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sff4w-0004K5-7s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 23:33:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sff4v-0004Jw-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 23:33:17 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sff4t-0008Lr-0s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 23:33:16 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Jun 2012 22:33:12 -0000 Received: from p54B9BD30.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Notebook) [84.185.189.48] by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 00:33:12 +0200 X-Authenticated: #20371661 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18iSJwZJ7wiZO0r1p465Ux1SiDqpwVQaTscnSXMSi wRNUa4AHvyfIVo Message-ID: <8D3DA02C6F92436EAB2DA7283A57D46C@Notebook> From: "Thomas Rosenkranz" To: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 00:33:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18645 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hy LF and MF, this is my LF and MF Grabber. The location is near Leipzig JO61DE. http://dm4tr.bplaced.net/index.php?section=MF [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (thomas.rosenkranz.1[at]gmx.de) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (thomas.rosenkranz.1[at]gmx.de) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: LF: German LF and MF Grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02A7_01CD4B57.9C0391D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:272531360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60184fdbb8891c0f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02A7_01CD4B57.9C0391D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hy LF and MF, this is my LF and MF Grabber. The location is near Leipzig JO61DE. http://dm4tr.bplaced.net/index.php?section=3DMF 73! Thomas DM4TR ------=_NextPart_000_02A7_01CD4B57.9C0391D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hy LF and MF,
 
this is my LF and MF = Grabber.
The location is near Leipzig = JO61DE.
 
http://dm4tr.bplaced.net/index.php?section=3DMF
 
 
73!
 
Thomas=20 DM4TR
------=_NextPart_000_02A7_01CD4B57.9C0391D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 01377380000E4; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgk49-0001Sl-No for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:04:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgk48-0001Sc-2q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:04:56 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sgk44-0007HS-LD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:04:54 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5IM4n58012031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:04:49 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5IM4nn0005851 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:04:49 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDFA599.3050006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:03:05 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Gary, Oh yes, it seems so :-) Very nice:-) Will you extend the displayed range of your MF grabber some day? That would be very useful. There is no grabber for the new MF band in the UK so far. Unfortunately there is QRM today on 477.5 and so i'm now calling at 473.5... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 027eb28428a0ed4e20e06b28d08cfc7b Subject: Re: LF: Now again on 477.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040308080602060607030607" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498314432:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574fdfa6b27ceb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040308080602060607030607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gary, Oh yes, it seems so :-) Very nice:-) Will you extend the displayed range of your MF grabber some day? That would be very useful. There is no grabber for the new MF band in the UK so far. Unfortunately there is QRM today on 477.5 and so i'm now calling at 473.5... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 18.06.2012 19:07, schrieb Gary G4WGT: > Hi Stefan, LF, > > So....was this you last night....found in my saved captures today. > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15990181/477-479-1206172330.jpg > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200 > > From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: Now again on 477.5 > > > > MF, > > > > Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy > > exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again, > > listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else > > wants to try. > > > > Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > --------------040308080602060607030607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gary,

Oh yes, it seems so :-) Very nice:-) Will you extend the displayed range of your MF grabber some day? That would be very useful. There is no grabber for the new MF band in the UK so far.

Unfortunately there is QRM today on 477.5 and so i'm now calling at 473.5...

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 18.06.2012 19:07, schrieb Gary G4WGT:
Hi Stefan, LF,

So....was this you last night....found in my saved captures today.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15990181/477-479-1206172330.jpg

73,

Gary - G4WGT.

 
> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200
> From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Now again on 477.5
>
> MF,
>
> Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy
> exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again,
> listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else
> wants to try.
>
> Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
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(VPS 120629-2, 29/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan if they are really that old then they mar be deterioration of the elements. I remember the Kokusai fikters used in KW TX and RX designs (much bigger profile) degraded over the years. I have a few of those type of filters, my measurements suggest that ripple was not an important aspect (perticularly if they were for NBFM. However they look more like AM filters .....Mikes idea is good I found that the best shape is not always with the specified termination. PMR makers are more interested in adjacent channel suppression than in-band linearity. A lower termination impedance will flatten the response but also reduce the out-of-band attenuation, and probably the slope, and increase the insertion loss. They can be cascaded .....gain is cheap at those frequencies. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.197 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: f82786fce13a7bdfc3036eb41b44b924 Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01CD564C.0C1FDB50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:500076864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d297.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fee27782f21 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CD564C.0C1FDB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan if they are really that old then they mar be deterioration of the = elements. I remember the Kokusai fikters used in KW TX and RX designs = (much bigger profile) degraded over the years. I have a few of those = type of filters, my measurements suggest that ripple was not an = important aspect (perticularly if they were for NBFM. However they look = more like AM filters .....Mikes idea is good I found that the best shape = is not always with the specified termination. PMR makers are more = interested in adjacent channel suppression than in-band linearity. A = lower termination impedance will flatten the response but also reduce = the out-of-band attenuation, and probably the slope, and increase the = insertion loss. They can be cascaded .....gain is cheap at those = frequencies. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:26 PM Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try...=20 -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical = filters=20 Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200=20 Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20 kHz. It is available at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=20 (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20 frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20 impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20 sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20 high. See the image:=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.pn= g So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green = wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20 green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red = wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web=20 http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20 shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20 output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20 stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CD564C.0C1FDB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan if they are really that old then = they mar be=20 deterioration of the elements. I remember the Kokusai fikters used in KW = TX and=20 RX designs (much bigger profile) degraded over the years. I have a few = of those=20 type of filters, my measurements suggest that ripple was not an = important aspect=20 (perticularly if they were for NBFM. However they look more like AM = filters=20 .....Mikes idea is good I found that the best shape is not always with = the=20 specified termination. PMR makers are more interested in adjacent = channel=20 suppression than in-band linearity. A lower termination impedance will = flatten=20 the response but also reduce the out-of-band attenuation, and probably = the=20 slope, and increase the insertion loss. They can be cascaded .....gain = is cheap=20 at those frequencies.
 
Alan G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 = 9:26 PM
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, = mechanical=20 filters

4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- =
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer "><schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC
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BASTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! 73 de Mauro IK1WVQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 78BA1380000C4; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjYKp-0006Jq-NL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:09:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjYKp-0006Jh-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:09:47 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjYKn-00082v-HP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:09:46 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.9.125]) by mwinf5d36 with ME id T49h1j00R2hrnui0349hqb; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:09:44 +0200 Message-ID: <172D1CB5F32F43A790DBC99A73F73D59@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:09:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Your right , FM has a cut off point , where demodulation fails and also a capture effect , where the stronger of 2 signals will acquire and hold the demodulator ..always fun on 2 mtrs when a mobile suddenly takes the channel [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 34d483c57c7a6bf26c25db3c8765d5fc Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD53BE.79C61A10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:423539296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fe9df1d6705 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD53BE.79C61A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steady on Mal ! this is getting technical !" Your right , FM has a cut off point , where demodulation fails = and also a capture effect , where the stronger of 2 signals will = acquire and hold the demodulator ..always fun on 2 mtrs when a = mobile suddenly takes the channel=20 Am has no cut off point , but gradual degradation until the = recovered audio is no longer usable ......eg, mcw would readable = much lower than AM speech=20 I think much over 250/300 MHz its actually not possible to = produce AM , could be wrong , but there is a limit , may be by = high level modulation falls over , dont see why could not be = via transverting .......=20 G.. From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: A/G FREQS As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex working. I have also = noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM = transmitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be = opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then select the one = of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on CW. On = FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a black hole, in = other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the exact bandwidth of the = transmission (same deviation value) g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD53BE.79C61A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steady on Mal !   this  is getting  = technical =20 !"
 
Your  right  , FM has a  cut off  point  , = where  demodulation fails  and  also  a  = capture =20 effect , where the  stronger of  2 signals  will =20 acquire  and  hold the  demodulator ..always  =20 fun  on 2  mtrs   when a  mobile  = suddenly =20 takes  the  channel
 
Am  has no  cut off  point , but  gradual  = degradation  until the  recovered  audio  is = no  longer=20 usable  ......eg,  mcw  would  readable  = much =20 lower  than  AM speech
 
I think  much over  250/300 MHz   its =20 actually  not  possible to  produce  AM  , = could=20 be  wrong  , but  there is a  limit  , = may  =20 be  by  high  level  modulation falls over , = dont =20 see  why  could  not  be  via  = transverting =20 .......
 
G..
From: mal hamilton
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: A/G FREQS

As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and=20 simplex working.  I have also noticed a well modulated AM = transmitter=20 is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM = the RX=20 bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously = then=20 select the one of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same = applies on=20 CW.  On FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into = a black=20 hole, in other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the=20 exact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation = value)
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD53BE.79C61A10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 60EF938000098; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sga4A-0000Ns-N9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:24:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sga4A-0000Nj-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:24:18 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sga48-0003zt-Ak for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:24:17 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.46.227]) by mwinf5d19 with ME id PnQE1j00N4u5bvm03nQFhM; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:24:15 +0200 Message-ID: <579BE3734251416D981B86B987B089DB@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <016c01cd4d0f$affaf480$0501a8c0@Vaio3> In-Reply-To: <016c01cd4d0f$affaf480$0501a8c0@Vaio3> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:24:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120618-0, 18/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I thinks so , the max audio is 1800 Hz , which gives 478.8 max carrier frequency G.. From: "7L1RLL-Rick" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 6:03 AM To: Subject: RE: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:469021504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194fdf10310f74 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror I thinks so , the max audio is 1800 Hz , which gives 478.8 max carrier frequency G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "7L1RLL-Rick" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 6:03 AM To: Subject: RE: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? > Albert, > I have installed two copies of Opera 142_beta on both W7 and XP machine. > But the assigned frequencies are something off-band after January 1st > 2013. > 477kHz (USB) Op8 (478.5-478.6kHz) will be no problem in world wide, but > Op4 > (478.6-479.8kHz) may be 478.6kHz to 478.8kHz. > Please confirm above if it is typographic error. > 73 Rick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Albert > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:55 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? > > G, > > Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. > > 73, Albert > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 335C4380000A7; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUmP-0005Ot-GD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:22:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUmP-0005Od-3A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:22:01 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjUmN-0005dg-DL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:21:59 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5QCLww2030641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:21:58 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QCLwJn010965 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:21:58 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE9A8F7.8080108@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:20:07 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE8F6FE.4030409@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002201cd5382$5c1cd620$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <002201cd5382$5c1cd620$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5QCLww2030641 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks Jay for the effort. Yes i see the result on your grabber. At least some traces. So we see that propagation+QRN lowers the S/N by 30 dB now, compared to the best winther days. Never mind, we already have been successful in June. July will be the hardest challenge i expect. But we will do the job! [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446320160:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4fe9a9975b02 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thanks Jay for the effort. Yes i see the result on your grabber. At=20 least some traces. So we see that propagation+QRN lowers the S/N by 30=20 dB now, compared to the best winther days. Never mind, we already have been successful in June. July will be the=20 hardest challenge i expect. But we will do the job! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.06.2012 11:59, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: > Stefan > > Not much to show for the effort last night ... high static levels the=20 > main culprit. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 > > To: > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 7:40 PM > Subject: LF: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) > > >> LF! >> >> Once again, braving the summer hole, i'm transmitting over night on=20 >> 136.172 kHz in DFCW-90. Still hoping to leave some traces in that=20 >> mode in YV. The days become longer here again now! >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4876C3800008F; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXxn-00039G-GI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:57:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXxm-000397-RN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:57:26 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfXxk-0006kc-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:57:25 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkkFALJH209cHn0G/2dsb2JhbABFgkWiMJBdgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDICEIAiELAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEBCSUUAQQYAgYMCggGDwQBCQECAgEBAQsEh1wDDwewOwOJWIpUYoYRA4gPhTSRBYFbhH6CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,417,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="38610227" Received: from host-92-30-125-6.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.125.6]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 15:57:22 +0100 Message-ID: <002901cd4b07$28b49530$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" References: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:57:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham This particular piece of spectrum was NOT a good choice for radio amateur use. Like Tracy said the majority of the NDB'S are audible in the UK and some very loud during the dark hours. It is only really suitable for CW qso mode where the operator can dive in/out of vacant slots at the time. For Opera or other data modes it will be difficult where a SLOT has to be specified because there are quite dramatic propagation changes taking place especially in the dark hours and you could well end up on top of a NDB or several. The same applies on 160 metres where band condx change all the time, fortunately there are no NDB'S to contend with. It is not surprising commercial operators did not see this part of the spectrum as useful except all NDB'S QRT. NDB'S are still a useful nav aid for the Aeronautical service es others so I cannot see them switching off. G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 3aadd9fea9ba15034c375823b9f54189 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4B07.2871BFD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:475092800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d618a4fdb4d8276b4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4B07.2871BFD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham This particular piece of spectrum was NOT a good choice for radio = amateur use. Like Tracy said the majority of the NDB'S are audible in = the UK and some very loud during the dark hours.=20 It is only really suitable for CW qso mode where the operator can dive = in/out of vacant slots at the time. For Opera or other data modes it will be difficult where a SLOT has to = be specified because there are quite dramatic propagation changes taking = place especially in the dark hours and you could well end up on top of a = NDB or several.=20 The same applies on 160 metres where band condx change all the time, = fortunately there are no NDB'S to contend with. It is not surprising commercial operators did not see this part of the = spectrum as useful except all NDB'S QRT. NDB'S are still a useful nav aid for the Aeronautical service es others = so I cannot see them switching off. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: graham787=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:38 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 This is going to be a nightmare, more like a downhill slalom course = than a band allocation=20 Has anyone a graphic of the band and beacon allocations what shows = where the gaps are ? G.. --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison" = wrote: > > Guard bands for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as the = MCW=20 > receivers would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any=20 > interference from amateurs is likely to be extremely local. Our = small=20 > signal working is likely to suffer more QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs than = to=20 > them. >=20 > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > > Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz. > > Twelve of those have been logged from the UK. > > The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide detailed > > information on frequencies which should be avoided. It should be = borne > > in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of approx 400Hz and > > 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of specific slots to = be > > wary of. > >=20 > > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ > >=20 > > Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some form = of > > guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with NDBs? > >=20 > > 73s Tracey G5VU > __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (10)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 4=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4B07.2871BFD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham
This particular piece of spectrum was NOT a good = choice=20 for radio amateur use. Like Tracy said the majority of the NDB'S are = audible in=20 the UK and some very loud during the dark hours.
It is only really suitable for CW qso mode where = the=20 operator can dive in/out of vacant slots at the time.
For Opera or other data modes it will be = difficult where a=20 SLOT has to be specified because there are quite dramatic propagation = changes=20 taking place especially in the dark hours and you could well end up on = top of a=20 NDB or several.
The same applies on 160 metres where band condx = change all=20 the time, fortunately there are no NDB'S to contend with.
It is not surprising commercial operators did = not see this=20 part of the spectrum as useful except all NDB'S QRT.
NDB'S are still a useful nav aid for the = Aeronautical=20 service es others so I cannot see them switching off.
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 graham787=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 = 2:38 PM
Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: = Band=20 Planning for 472 Khz Band ?

  =

This is going to be a nightmare, more like a downhill slalom course = than a=20 band allocation

Has anyone a graphic of the band and beacon=20 allocations what shows where the gaps are ?

G..

--- In = rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk,=20 "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@...> wrote:
>
> Guard = bands=20 for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as the MCW
> = receivers=20 would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any
> interference = from=20 amateurs is likely to be extremely local. Our small
> signal = working is=20 likely to suffer more QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs than to
> = them.
>=20
> Mike, G3XDV
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> =
> > Twenty-seven=20 NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz.
> > = Twelve of=20 those have been logged from the UK.
> > The NDB database on = the=20 Classaxe web site would provide detailed
> > information on=20 frequencies which should be avoided. It should be borne
> > = in mind=20 that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of approx 400Hz and
> > = 1020Hz=20 modulation, so there are a good number of specific slots to be
> = >=20 wary of.
> >
> > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/n= db/reu/
>=20 >
> > Perhaps some consideration should be given to = setting up=20 some form of
> > guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid = any=20 problems with NDBs?
> >
> > 73s Tracey=20 G5VU
>

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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4B07.2871BFD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E80AE38000099; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg19h-0001nO-MH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:07:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg19g-0001nF-S7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:07:40 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg19e-0004Ac-IB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:07:39 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5GM7bCg029135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:07:37 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GM7bRh001231 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:07:37 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDD0343.3070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:05:55 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many reports my email. Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station i ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF, without any problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where real time QSOs can take place. And this night is in summer and with high QRN, so winther must be wonderful. No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-) 137 kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real QSO band now! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f9f85a03ab18710b130c40acc03380f0 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090008080308050006020403" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435596544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fdd03e837c3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090008080308050006020403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5GM7bCg029135 Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many reports=20 my email. Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station i=20 ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF,=20 without any problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where=20 real time QSOs can take place. And this night is in summer and with high=20 QRN, so winther must be wonderful. No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-)=20 137 kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real=20 QSO band now! I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the active=20 ferrite antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN... The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground range=20 distance is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but nothing at=20 DJ2LF in 175km distance... Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA here=20 while sitting in the forest and receiving there :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 23:24, schrieb Chris 4X1RF: > Jan, Stefan > > Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in=20 > real time on the Delfi WebSdr. > > > 73s > Chris 4X1RF > > > On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM, pa3abk > wrote: > > Stefan, > > At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ. > And stop when your CQ starts again. > > There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5. > > > Jan/pa3abk > > > On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote: > > Stefan, > > Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? > > At te mom you are becoming better. > > > > Jan/pa3abk > > On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > > MF, > > Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a > band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably > there was an overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 > dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can hear > the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not > sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. > > My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 > kHz in CW and look for skeds*! I can receive > on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX > already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway > worth a try. > > Starting now! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > --=20 > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > > > --------------090008080308050006020403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many reports my email.

Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station i ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF, without any problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where real time QSOs can take place. And this night is in summer and with high QRN, so winther must be wonderful.
No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-) 137 kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real QSO band now!

I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the active ferrite antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN...

The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground range distance is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but nothing at DJ2LF in 175km distance...
Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA here while sitting in the forest and receiving there :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 16.06.2012 23:24, schrieb Chris 4X1RF:
Jan, Stefan

Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in real time on the Delfi WebSdr.


73s
Chris 4X1RF


On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM, pa3abk <pa3abk@kpnmail.nl> wrote:
Stefan,

At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ.
And stop when your CQ starts again.

There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5.


Jan/pa3abk


On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote:
Stefan,

Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call?

At te mom you are becoming better.



Jan/pa3abk

On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Schäfer wrote:
MF,

Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal.

My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try.

Starting now!

73, Stefan/DK7FC




--
pa3abk<->  dordrecht jo21it



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[...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.206.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 66d07794ca19cd68f7d6cc289cd4ac18 Subject: LF: Ham Radio Friedrichshafen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF1EC3DBF4E512_608_28B66_webmail-m168.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489805888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d014.1 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94fe4c6e75d9c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF1EC3DBF4E512_608_28B66_webmail-m168.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear LFers, tomorrow (Sat June 23), I intend to take a day trip to the Ham-Radio fair i= n Friedrichshafen. 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Dear LFers,
 
tomorrow (Sat June 23), I intend to take a day trip to the Ham-Radio f= air in Friedrichshafen. I would certainly enjoy any possible face-to face m= eetings with fellow LFers! As far as I know, Walter DJ2= LF will be giving a talk on how to get started on MF at 15:0= 0 CEST, so that might be a good corner to find each other.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX line (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? 73, Stefan Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Schäfer: > G.., LF, > > What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? > What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 925300287489a1d7272e62b121c112aa Subject: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:378588960:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fca41f14870 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX=20 line (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? 73, Stefan Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > G.., LF, > > What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? > What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F358D380000F9; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si51V-0005zV-7w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:39:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si51U-0005zH-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:39:44 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si51S-0006F2-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:39:43 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEFAC+C5E9cF/ZW/2dsb2JhbABFoBcDlUmBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAhQKDgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfrohiy6CZoMcA4gUhTaXY4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,458,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="385569542" Received: from host-92-23-246-86.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.86]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 2012 15:39:39 +0100 Message-ID: <003101cd5084$da331b60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001b01cd505a$d79cd230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:39:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tracy 25 dB gain increase across spectrum 470 - 500 Khz. Just checking antenna gain across band of interest and not a scientific measurement. Signal over noise also looks good on beacon SA with 1 Khz selectivity, and can go down to 25 hertz if necessary. Just looked at it again and it is the same except now geting hit by static crashes. [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: ad9c0e3658f56f4dbb01cd425a6a8031 Subject: LF: Re: Re: NF MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD5084.D9D17360" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1474fe483dc718e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD5084.D9D17360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracy 25 dB gain increase across spectrum 470 - 500 Khz. Just checking = antenna gain across band of interest and not a scientific measurement. = Signal over noise also looks good on beacon SA with 1 Khz selectivity, = and can go down to 25 hertz if necessary. Just looked at it again and it is the same except now geting hit by = static crashes. =20 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracey Gardner=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:24 PM Subject: LF: Re: NF MF Hello Mal You don't quote the all important, the bandwidth that you were taking = these measurements in. I've just done a quick look on my receiver. 20kHz DDC bandwidth and 10Hz selectivity Noise floor with no antenna < -150dBm Noise floor with Beverage antenna connected < -140dBm=20 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: LF: NF MF MF Experiment this morning on 475 Khz band. Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz. Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB attenuation = inserted-------------120dB Antenna 1/4 wave inv L connected 95dB therefore a gain of 25 dB Time 0900 utc ----daytime Band quiet no static -- typical radio = environment at this QTH=20 I must do this check after dark g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD5084.D9D17360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tracy
25 dB gain increase across spectrum 470 - 500 = Khz. =20 Just checking antenna gain across band  of interest and not a = scientific=20 measurement. Signal over noise also looks good on beacon SA with 1 Khz=20 selectivity, and can go down to 25 hertz if necessary.
Just looked at it again and it is the same = except now=20 geting hit by static crashes.
 
 
mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tracey Gardner
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 = 1:24 PM
Subject: LF: Re: NF MF

Hello Mal
 
You don't quote the all important, the bandwidth that you were = taking=20 these measurements in.
 
I've just done a quick look on my receiver.
 
20kHz DDC bandwidth and 10Hz selectivity
 
Noise floor with no antenna < -150dBm
Noise floor with Beverage antenna connected < = -140dBm 
 
73s Tracey
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 = 10:38=20 AM
Subject: LF: NF MF

MF
Experiment this morning on 475 Khz = band.
 
Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz.
 
Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB = attenuation=20 inserted-------------120dB
 
Antenna 1/4 wave inv L connected  95dB = therefore=20 a gain of 25 dB
 
Time 0900 utc  ----daytime   = Band quiet=20 no static -- typical radio environment at this QTH
 
I must do this check after dark
 
g3kev
 
 
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Rik  Many thanks for your very useful information. I hope others find this as well. Yes I said in an earlier mail what the PA and driver would cost from E-bay (my supplier of choice... :o)) but at least they are obtainable.  The current hold are the Ferrites or the Iron Dust toriods. This is the usual problem because one black iron ring looks very much like another. Once you have it in your hands you can do a test. What I do is to put a few turns on an unknown core and measure the inductance then compare the results with the theoretical value obtained from a range of cores with the same dimensions using "Mini Core" SW. At the moment I have a source for the T1 core but not the choke. And surprisingly I can't find the T80-2s they were every where once upon a time. Anyway I do have a variety of cores that will probably do for the O/P filtre. One day I will find a design I can kit perfectly.  I like your transverter, I am getting torn between projects right now. Q6 / Q7 driver as you say can be reproduced for each FET gate cheaply in fact I have the parts!  I will now crawl into my cave and start to build. Thanks to you and Stefan. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.64 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 3d57f46aaa11dced1062afcdaf02fb40 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-633832833-1340969485=:35762" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:508810688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d008.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fed92694e41 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-633832833-1340969485=:35762 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik=0A=C2=A0=0AMany thanks for your very useful information. I hope othe= rs find this as well.=0AYes I said in an earlier mail what the PA and drive= r would cost from E-bay (my supplier of choice... :o)) but at least they ar= e obtainable.=0A=C2=A0=0AThe current hold are=C2=A0the Ferrites or the Iron= Dust toriods. This is the usual problem because one black iron ring looks = very much like another. Once you have it in your hands you can do a test. W= hat I do is to put a few turns on an unknown core and measure the inductanc= e then compare the results with the theoretical value obtained from a range= of cores with the same dimensions using "Mini Core" SW.=C2=A0At the moment= I have a source for the T1 core but not the choke. And surprisingly I can'= t find the T80-2s they were every where once upon a time. Anyway I do have = a variety of cores that will probably do for the O/P=C2=A0filtre. One day I= will find a design I=C2=A0 can kit perfectly.=0A=C2=A0=0AI like your trans= verter, I am getting torn between projects right now. Q6 / Q7 driver as you= say can be reproduced for each FET gate cheaply in fact=C2=A0I have the pa= rts!=0A=C2=A0=0AI will now crawl into my cave and start to build. Thanks to= you and Stefan.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A__________________= ______________=0A From: Rik Strobbe =0ATo: "rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =0ASent: Friday,= 29 June 2012, 8:49=0ASubject: RE: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC= =0A=C2=A0 =0A=0A =0AHello=C2=A0Pete, =0A=C2=A0 =0AI=C2=A0assume=C2=A0that = the more=C2=A0exotic=C2=A0parts are the power=C2=A0FET (IRFZ48N) and the=C2= =A0driver IC (ICL7667). =0AThe=C2=A0IRFZ48N is a=C2=A055V /=C2=A064A / 0.01= 4 Ohm device. For a=C2=A0first=C2=A0try=C2=A0you=C2=A0could=C2=A0replace=C2= =A0it=C2=A0by=C2=A0far more=C2=A0common=C2=A0IRF460=C2=A0that is=C2=A0100V = /=C2=A028A / 0.06 Ohm. =0AA bit of=C2=A0reverse engineering: Stefan=C2=A0st= ates=C2=A050W output at 80% efficiency =3D=C2=A062.5W input =3D=C2=A05.2A a= t 12V. =0ASo=C2=A0with a=C2=A028A=C2=A0device=C2=A0you are=C2=A0on the safe= side. =0AThe=C2=A0larger Ron (0.06 Ohm=C2=A0vs 0.014 Ohm)=C2=A0will (in th= eory)=C2=A0reduce the efficiency.=C2=A0But=C2=A05.2A in 0.014 Ohm is=C2=A0o= nly=C2=A0about=C2=A00.4W loss (for a IRFZ48N). For a=C2=A0IRF460=C2=A0it is= =C2=A05.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D=C2=A01.6W loss. =0ASo=C2=A0the=C2=A0losses (12.5= W) are=C2=A0probably more=C2=A0due to the non perfect=C2=A0switching=C2=A0t= han=C2=A0due to the Ron of the FETs. =0AAn=C2=A0alternative=C2=A0for the=C2= =A0ICL7667 is a=C2=A0TC4426=C2=A0or a=C2=A0homebrew=C2=A0driver (see http:/= /www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif/images/sto= ries/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif). =0A=C2=A0 =0A73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0O= N7YD - OR7T =0A=C2=A0 =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AVan: own= er-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens= M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk]=0AVerzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 20:41=0AAan:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0AOnderwerp: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA runni= ng at 12 VDC=0A=0A =0AHi Stefan =0A=C2=A0 =0AI like this and would like to= make to make it. I so far have tracked down most bits but as usual the Uno= btainium of so many construction projects that fall at the last hurdle unle= ss they are Kits........ no chance of that I suppose? =0A=C2=A0 =0AThere wi= ll be those who tell me its easy to get the bits=C2=A0but unless you work f= or a company that uses this stuff it can not be slipped through the "Purcha= sing"=C2=A0it becomes a positive stop!! =0ALike the Litz I just put that i= n one of our big outfits with min orders and it said it had over one hundre= d thousand Litz and promptly collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T= 1) wow and its not a min order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated fr= om 0.125 Cu/En?=C2=A0 Hmm it's plaited ? =0AWima caps are available from Ma= plin haven't checked in depth but they usually are. =0A=C2=A0 =0AI like the= idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. by four. = =0A=C2=A0 =0AGenerally=C2=A0I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay = they may not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the qualit= y but feel the width... principle)=C2=A0and the drivers TC range for slight= ly more. =0A=C2=A0 =0AI'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kit= ting list (UK source) may be they could publish it?=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 =0AAnd = thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is new and w= orth while thanks!=0A =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A_________= _______________________=0A From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 28 = June 2012, 16:53=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A= =0A=0AHi MF, =0A=0ALate at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: h= ttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png=C2=A0 (picture o= f prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%201= 5W%2B100W.JPG)=0A=0AMost of the parts are not critical. =0A=0AThe ferrite c= ores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are in the image. But = you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the primary and secondary n= umber of turns.=0A=0AThere are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead= of the IRZF48N you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance b= ut a higher input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to man= y parts. Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise= between low on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Source voltag= e should be 55V for a 12V supply.=0A=0AInstead of RF litz wire (i use this = one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3D= CLI%20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4= mm or what you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less.=0A=0AThe= overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is quite= compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p tests. = Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a multi step sw= itch and more taps.=0A=0AA DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form = or a sine signal coming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matt= er as long as the peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp.=0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A= =0APS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before!=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0AAm 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT: =0AHi again Stefan =0A>=C2=A0 = =0A>The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@(( =0A>=0A>Do = you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be stranded up = to make a synth? =0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>From:= M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=0A>To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22= =0A>Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A>Hi St= efan =0A>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/16= 0818253496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183c= eb8 =0A>Just over =C2=A35 a pop! =0A>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667C= PA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_D= efaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326077 =0A>Just over =C2=A36 a pop! =0A>But w= hat is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=E2= =80=A6 ;0) =0A>Chees Pete FMT =0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r= =C3=A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr=0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>S= ent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42=0A>Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA ru= nning at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>Hello Stephan ,=0A>Me too =0A>73=C2=A0 , Je= an-Pierre F1AFJ=C2=A0 =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3= =A9crit=C2=A0:=0A> =0A>Hi Stephan =0A>>=0A>>Me Too=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>73 es GL = Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org=0A= >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12= =0A>>Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A>> =0A>>=0A>> =0A>= >like =0A>>=0A>>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>>From: Rik Strobbe =0A>= >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:3= 5 AM =0A>>>Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>= >If=C2=A0someone is=C2=A0interested i=C2=A0may=C2=A0convert the circuit=C2= =A0from=C2=A0my=C2=A0mind=C2=A0into a schematic as a=C2=A0png file. =0A>>>= =0A>>>Always=C2=A0interested ;-) =0A>>>=0A>>>73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0ON7YD - OR7= T =0A>>=0A>> =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> ---357169082-633832833-1340969485=:35762 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Rik
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Many thanks for your very useful i= nformation. I hope others find this as well.
Yes I s= aid in an earlier mail what the PA and driver would cost from E-bay (my sup= plier of choice... :o)) but at least they are obtainable.
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The current hold are the Ferrites = or the Iron Dust toriods. This is the usual problem because one black iron = ring looks very much like another. Once you have it in your hands you can d= o a test. What I do is to put a few turns on an unknown core and measure th= e inductance then compare the results with the theoretical value obtained f= rom a range of cores with the same dimensions using "Mini Core" SW. At= the moment I have a source for the T1 core but not the choke. And surprisingly I can't find the T80-2s they were= every where once upon a time. Anyway I do have a variety of cores that wil= l probably do for the O/P filtre. One day I will find a design I = can kit perfectly.
 
I = like your transverter, I am getting torn between projects right now. Q6 / Q= 7 driver as you say can be reproduced for each FET gate cheaply in fact&nbs= p;I have the parts!
 
I will n= ow crawl into my cave and start to build. Thanks to you and Stefan.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:<= /b> Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent:= Friday, 29 June 2012, 8:49
Subject: RE: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
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=0AHello=  Pete,
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I assume that= the more exotic parts are the power FET (IRFZ48N) and the driver IC (ICL7667<= /a>).
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The IRFZ48N is a 55V / 6= 4A / 0.014 Ohm device. For a first try=  you could replace it by far mor= e common IRF460 that is 100V= / 28A= =0A / 0.06 Ohm.
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A bit of reve= rse engineering: Stefan states 50W out= put at 80% efficiency =3D 62.5W inpu= t =3D 5.2A at 12V.
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So with a 28A device you are&nbs= p;on the safe side.
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The larger Ron (0.06 Ohm vs 0.014 Ohm) will (in theory) reduce the efficiency. But 5.2A in 0.014 Ohm is only about 0.4W loss (for a= IRFZ48N). For a IRF460 it=0A is = 5.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D 1.6W loss.
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So the losses<= a href=3D"" rel=3D"nofollow"> (12.5W)= are probably more due to the non perfect switching than due to the Ron of the FETs.
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An alternative for the ICL7667<= a href=3D"" rel=3D"nofollow"> is a TC4426 or a homebrew driver (= see=0Ahttp://www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.= gif/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif).=0A
 
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73,= Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
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Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk]
=0A<= b>Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 20:41
=0AAan: rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org
=0AOnderwerp: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA runnin= g at 12 VDC
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I like this and would like to make to make it. I so far h= ave tracked down most bits but as usual the=0AUnobtainium of so many constructio= n projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no cha= nce of that I suppose?
=0A
 
=0A
There will be thos= e who tell me its easy to get the bits but unless you work for a compa= ny that uses this stuff it can not be slipped through the "Purchasing" = ;it becomes a positive stop!!=0A
=0A
Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min orders = and it said it had over one hundred thousand=0ALitz and promptly =0Acollapsed. But they have one of= the =0Atoro= ids (T1) wow and its not a min order either double wow! =0ALitz can be fabricated from 0.125= Cu/En? =0AHmm it's plaited ?
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Wima<= /span> caps are available from=0AMaplin haven't checked in depth but they usual= ly are.
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I like the idea of using a DDS or <= span id=3D"yiv459361049misspell-10">=0ATransceiver as a= master osc= source div. by four.
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Generally = ;I buy my power =0AFETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be ideal but ar= e cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the width... principle)&n= bsp;and the drivers TC range=0A for slightly more.
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I'll keep s= earching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK source) may be they= could publish it? 
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And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "= New" but in context it is new and worth while thanks!
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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= =0AFrom: Stefan =0ASch=C3=A4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
=0ASent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 1= 6:53
=0ASubject: Re: LF= : Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12=0AVDC
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=0ALate at night, i made draw the s= chematic. Here it is: =0Ahttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475= kHz%20PA.png  (picture of prototype=0A=0Ahttps:/= /dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG)<= br>=0A
=0AMost of the parts are not critical.
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=0AThe ferrite = cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are in the image. But you= may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the primary and secondary numb= er of turns.
=0A
=0AThere are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instea= d of the=0A= IRZF48N you may try a =0AIRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but= a higher input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many = parts. Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise b= etween low on resistance and input capacity while the=0A Drain-Source volta= ge should be 55V for a 12V supply.
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=0AInstead of RF litz wire (i use = this one:=0A=0Ahttp://www.reichelt.de/index.html?= ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1= mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what you have. It just affect= s the efficiency, more or less.
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=0AThe overall dimensions of this= prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is quite compact and since it runs = from a 12V battery you can use it for /p tests. Also you can of course use = more than 2 power steps by using a=0Amulti step switch and more taps.
=0A=0AA DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal comi= ng from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the pea= k input voltage exceeds 5=0AVp.
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=0AThe Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@((=0A
 
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Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E = guess that could be stranded up to make a=0Asynth?
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=0ATo: =0Amailto:r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0Amailto:rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org
=0ASent:= Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22
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Just over =C2= =A35 a pop!
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---357169082-633832833-1340969485=:35762-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 57CDC38000193; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShmE2-0001I2-Q0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:35:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShmE2-0001Ht-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:35:26 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s2.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShmDz-0002BT-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:35:25 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W16 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s2.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:35:21 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group , RSGB Yahoo Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:35:20 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2012 18:35:21.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D798A40:01CD4FDC] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All, As a temporary stop-gap I have changed the I.F. Xtal in my SoftRock 500 kHz receiver so I can use the I.F. plus & minus frequencies.ie. 501 kHz to 509 kHz & 472 kHz to 479 kHz. It may require some frequency correction. The result can be seen on my grabber at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73, Gary - G4WGT. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e8d97158-1414-45e4-883e-7468f98f4723_" Subject: LF: G4WGT Grabber update. X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:322565664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064fe369a234bf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_e8d97158-1414-45e4-883e-7468f98f4723_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=2C As a temporary stop-gap I have changed the I.F. Xtal in my SoftRo= ck 500 kHz receiver so I can use the I.F. plus & minus frequencies.ie. 501 = kHz to 509 kHz & 472 kHz to 479 kHz. It may require some frequency correcti= on. The result can be seen on my grabber at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/w= gtaylor/grabber2.html 73=2C Gary - G4WGT. = --_e8d97158-1414-45e4-883e-7468f98f4723_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All=2C
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As a temporary stop-gap I have changed the I.F. Xt= al in my SoftRock 500 kHz =3Breceiver so I can use the I.F. plus &= =3B minus frequencies.
ie. 501 kHz to 509 kHz &=3B 472 kHz to 479 kHz= . It may require some frequency correction.
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Gary - G4WGT.
= --_e8d97158-1414-45e4-883e-7468f98f4723_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5FF673800009B; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUwP-0005em-OX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:32:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUwP-0005eU-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:32:21 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjUwM-00062h-4g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:32:19 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5QCWH4G017679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:32:17 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QCWGKf011438 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:32:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE9AB62.1040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:30:26 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <36D642DC20944A339A77B05805C821AF@Extensa> In-Reply-To: <36D642DC20944A339A77B05805C821AF@Extensa> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Peter, You will surely have audible reception at that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-) Are you prepared to listen? 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 896f9ee4f10c5db37812c155e804756d Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060408080901030509070307" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:395520768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574fe9abfd5cab X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060408080901030509070307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter, You will surely have audible reception at that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-) Are you prepared to listen? 73, Stefan Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hello ! > http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg > The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - Appingedam - JO33kh > VLF graber: http://www.qsl.net/pa1sdb/ > SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blog.htm > --------------060408080901030509070307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter,

You will surely have audible reception at that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-)
Are you prepared to listen?

73, Stefan

Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter:
Hello !
 
 
The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - Appingedam - JO33kh
 
 
 
--------------060408080901030509070307-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BF459380000B6; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sasev-0000PW-FC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:02:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sasev-0000PN-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:02:41 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Saset-0006eA-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:02:39 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d08 with ME id HW2c1j00B0Lx2rm03W2dXy; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:02:38 +0200 Message-ID: <02F312E3BECE491093465DC96EAF847F@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:02:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Stefan, Yes at the moment its 1-4-1 , I think this has been now for some time , the change to single speed decoding , virtually stopped the false decodes , all bands are single speed, selectable beacon and qso mode. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430644608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fca55723c40 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Ok Stefan, Yes at the moment its 1-4-1 , I think this has been now for some time , the change to single speed decoding , virtually stopped the false decodes , all bands are single speed, selectable beacon and qso mode. 136 is provided with two beacon speeds only , OP8 and OP32 , changing mode , changes the frequency band. monitoring is one speed only . It is possible to simply run 2 Op sessions , one set to say OP8 and the other OP32 , or for other bands , one set to beacon , the other qso mode. CPU loading , from recent posts > Single core 1.7 gig laptop with 2 gig ram and winxp (fujitsu siemens lifebook s series) is reported by dg9bfc as running ok, I find my old P4 3.2 ghz pc shows 25/35% cpu loading .. Eddie reports his 1.6GHz Atom Processor Sammy Netbook, is running Op no problems 73 -G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:38 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: Opera... > PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX line > (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? > > 73, Stefan > > Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Schfer: >> G.., LF, >> >> What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? >> What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2D59B38000097; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 05:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbq40-0002pi-0i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:28:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbq3z-0002pZ-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:28:31 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbq3x-0001SC-CJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:28:30 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlUFAOnKzU9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFnlwDhQCQU4EIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCgMJGRQBBBoGDAoIBhMKAQICAQENhXOBbAMPrVINiU6KM2AaBYJPgyIDiA2FMJJZhHuCYIFYB4E+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="388337302" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 10:28:28 +0100 Message-ID: <002d01cd42fd$900c80b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net><4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de><4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net><77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk><517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk><4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><016101cd427d$7f76f4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:28:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get anything from the list on the left of page. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:10 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: a32b10ac5c14008078455df469dc45d3 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD42FD.8FDA7430" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:513814880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad14fcdd16d3e19 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD42FD.8FDA7430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get = anything from the list on the left of page.=20 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:10 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Mal, =20 Thanks, interesting point. I can see that you are a member, but on my = admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. Without this = you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, = etc. =20 I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a Yahoo = ID, but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the = formalities. =20 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton wrote: John With my talktalk email account, I cannot access any of the options = that you specify. a Gmail account might be different g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Stefan,=20 I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo = account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and = that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised = by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =20 I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll = on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =20 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer = wrote: Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a = yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging = the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts = that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to = codeterminate in this process. My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group = compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, = where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before = the voting period ends. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD42FD.8FDA7430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com
This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I=20 still  cannot get anything from the list on the left of page. =
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 = 9:10=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black = Sheep

Mal,  

Thanks, interesting point.  I can see that you are a member, = but on=20 my admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. =  Without this=20 you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, = etc.=20  

I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a = Yahoo ID,=20 but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the = formalities.=20  

73 John, G3WKL


On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
With my talktalk email account,  I = cannot access=20 any of the options that you specify. a Gmail account might be=20 different
g3kev
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From: = John Gould
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 3:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black=20 Sheep

Stefan,=20

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a = yahoo=20 account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail = account and=20 that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group = with your=20 Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be = authorised by one=20 of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a = poll on=20 the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they = voted.=20  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=20 wrote:
Hi=20 Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list = but=20 without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This=20 situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind = those who=20 are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside = the=20 poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote = is pro=20 blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As = long as the=20 two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to = win and=20 the other will be shut down after some time.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive = Lorton:
If=20 you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting=20 period ends.
 =20 =



------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD42FD.8FDA7430-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 33A1438000089; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sk0pR-0003YX-RI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:35:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.34] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sk0pR-0003YO-8Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:35:17 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sk0pO-0001HI-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:35:15 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5RMZCtv016722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:35:12 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5RMZClS025405 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:35:12 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:33:19 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay2.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input power must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can be switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is not so critical, Z=R may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The FETs are IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer uses RF litz wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort for optimising the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm. The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF power. The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this measurement. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443685632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4feb8ae306b3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input power must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can be switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is not so critical, Z=R may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The FETs are IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer uses RF litz wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort for optimising the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm. The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF power. The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this measurement. If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file. 73, Stefan/DK7FC https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4C3C1380000DA; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkiIm-0002zi-Q7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:00:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkiIm-0002zZ-C4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:00:28 +0100 Received: from smtp25.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.119]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkiIk-000084-P7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:00:27 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2506.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BC91A70000A8; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:00:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.75] (197.251.137.88.rev.sfr.net [88.137.251.197]) by msfrf2506.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8CE5F700008E; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:00:25 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20120629210025577.8CE5F700008E@msfrf2506.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4FEE172B.1050002@virgilio.it> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:59:23 +0200 From: Claudio Girardi MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, if I understood correctly, the datasheet says that the impedance is 18 kohm if you use the red and green wires and 500 ohm if you use the yellow and green ones; so you should load both sides with 18 kohm in your case, or change taps. Then you should also load the filter with the exact capacitance values printed on its ends, connected between the red and green wires. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [93.17.128.119 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (claudio.girardi[at]virgilio.it) X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:413471296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4fee17983214 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, if I understood correctly, the datasheet says that the impedance is 18=20 kohm if you use the red and green wires and 500 ohm if you use the=20 yellow and green ones; so you should load both sides with 18 kohm in=20 your case, or change taps. Then you should also load the filter with the exact capacitance values=20 printed on its ends, connected between the red and green wires. Regards, Claudio On 06/29/2012 10:26 PM, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: > > The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and gree= n > wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and > green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and re= d > wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. > Helpful was this image from the web > http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which > shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the > output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as > stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 63845380000CC; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sju5u-0001Z9-9a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:23:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sju5t-0001Z0-S8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:23:49 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sju5s-0005Tu-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:23:48 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.46.64]) by mwinf5d48 with ME id TTPk1j00G1P50sJ03TPkma; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:23:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4CBF3FCDC1074B55ADDA1EDC1E7F43EF@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> <1340788675.17913.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340788675.17913.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:23:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120627-0, 27/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: VALVES give better sound , just the thing for playing OPERA on G.. From: M0FMT Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 11963a33d604c33786d8f1de94ce267f Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD5481.388ECF10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482947072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4feb25b610fd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD5481.388ECF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable VALVES give better sound , just the thing for playing OPERA = on=20 G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Hi all Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera keyer design and = software with HEX code. It works a treat. It has been keying a test oscillator for a day now. Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output 500kc/s 6CL6 = valve TX on into a LW 35ft up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting = 500kc/s USB. Don=E2=80=99t laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the past. 73 Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD5481.388ECF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
VALVES    give  better sound , just   = the =20 thing  for  playing  OPERA  on
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM
Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST = tonight

Hi all
Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera = keyer design=20 and software with HEX code.
 It works a = treat.  It has been keying a test = oscillator for=20 a day now.
Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output =  500kc/s 6CL6 valve TX on into a = LW 35ft=20 up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting 500kc/s=20 USB.
Don=E2=80=99t laugh it has made PA land on the limit in = the=20 past.
73 Pete M0FMT  IO91UX
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD5481.388ECF10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E748538000098; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYdY-0004I5-Vr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:52:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYdY-0004Hw-JC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:52:04 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbYdQ-00078X-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:52:03 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q54Ept3o011142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:51:55 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q54Ept1M028242 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:51:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:50:25 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 1f795a2ee1ecd56682b47ad11969b3d3 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446722080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fcccbc87d9c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process. My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: > If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB577380000A6; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkVxe-00015k-AT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:49:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkVxd-00015b-DQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:49:49 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkVxY-0002Tg-FR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:49:48 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: D86041280B8.A5D01 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-1e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.33]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86041280B8 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:49:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D368E404B for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:49:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::a470:76b3:406d:2b1a%27]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:49:40 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Thread-Index: AQHNVLVvT1lBO+I1rUqNFPjXeBH7jZcPRkhY///6WgCAAAa1AIAAAZwAgAALNoCAAAajgIAAZnWAgAAvG4CAAPcTjQ== Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:49:40 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB71D7@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC18F4.9050608@online.fr> <1340875355.96079.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1340876781.29716.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC7DDF.8050906@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<1340908899.62897.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340908899.62897.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.13] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Pete, I assume that the more exotic parts are the power FET (IRFZ48N) and the driver IC (ICL7667). The IRFZ48N is a 55V / 64A / 0.014 Ohm device. For a first try you could replace it by far more common IRF460 that is 100V / 28A / 0.06 Ohm. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4c1b3a9525cea91d9a699b8982ee892f Subject: RE: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB71D7ICTSSMBX5lunaku_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:499386912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814fed5e5a2bb4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB71D7ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Pete, I assume that the more exotic parts are the power FET (IRFZ48N) and the dri= ver IC (ICL7667). The IRFZ48N is a 55V / 64A / 0.014 Ohm device. For a first try you could re= place it by far more common IRF460 that is 100V / 28A / 0.06 Ohm. A bit of reverse engineering: Stefan states 50W output at 80% efficiency = =3D 62.5W input =3D 5.2A at 12V. So with a 28A device you are on the safe side. The larger Ron (0.06 Ohm vs 0.014 Ohm) will (in theory) reduce the efficien= cy. But 5.2A in 0.014 Ohm is only about 0.4W loss (for a IRFZ48N). For a IR= F460 it is 5.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D 1.6W loss. So the losses (12.5W) are probably more due to the non perfect switching th= an due to the Ron of the FETs. An alternative for the ICL7667 is a TC4426 or a homebrew driver (see http:/= /www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk] Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 20:41 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Stefan I like this and would like to make to make it. I so far have tracked down m= ost bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many construction projects that= fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no chance of that I s= uppose? There will be those who tell me its easy to get the bits but unless you wor= k for a company that uses this stuff it can not be slipped through the "Pur= chasing" it becomes a positive stop!! Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min orders and= it said it had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly collapsed. But = they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order either double= wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En? Hmm it's plaited ? Wima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in depth but they usual= ly are. I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. b= y four. Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be id= eal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the wid= th... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more. I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK source) = may be they could publish it? And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is new a= nd worth while thanks! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=E4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 16:53 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi MF, Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.co= m/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png (picture of prototype https://dl.dr= opbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG) Most of the parts are not critical. The ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are in th= e image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the primary an= d secondary number of turns. There are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N you m= ay try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher input cap= acity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts. Switching ti= mes are not critical. So you need to find a compromise between low on resis= tance and input capacity while the Drain-Source voltage should be 55V for a= 12V supply. Instead of RF litz wire (i use this one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?= ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm d= iam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what you have. It just affects th= e efficiency, more or less. The overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is qu= ite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p test= s. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a multi step= switch and more taps. A DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal coming f= rom a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the peak in= put voltage exceeds 5 Vp. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before! Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT: Hi again Stefan The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@(( Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be stranded = up to make a synth? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Stefan http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/16081825349= 6?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8 Just over =A35 a pop! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-8-= DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326077 Just over =A36 a pop! But what is the =93Unobtainium=94 ferrite? =85=85 ;0) Chees Pete FMT From: Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hello Stephan , Me too 73 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =E9crit : Hi Stephan Me Too 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12 Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC like ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a sche= matic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB71D7ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Pete,<= /font>

 

I assume that the more exo= tic parts are the power FET (IRFZ48N)= and the driver IC (ICL7667).

The IRFZ48N is a 55V / 64A= / 0.014 Ohm device. For a first try&= nbsp;you could replace it b= y far more common IRF460 th= at is 100V / 28A / 0.06 Ohm.

A bit of reverse engineering: Stefan s= tates 50W output at 80% efficiency =3D 62.5W= input =3D 5.2A at 12V.

So with a&nb= sp;28A device you are on the saf= e side.

The larger Ron (0.06 Ohm vs 0.0= 14 Ohm) will (in theory) reduce the efficien= cy. But 5.2A in 0.014 Ohm is only = about 0.4W loss (for a IRFZ48N). For a&nbs= p;IRF460 it is 5.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D 1.6W loss.

So the losses<= a> (12.5W) are probably more due to the = non perfect switching than due to the R= on of the FETs.

An alternative for the ICL7667 is a TC4426 or<= a> a homebrew driver (see http://www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transv= erter_full.gif).

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk]
Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 20:41
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
 
I like this and would like to make to make it. = I so far have tracked down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many constr= uction projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ n= o chance of that I suppose?
 
There will be those who tell me its easy to get= the bits but unless you work for a company that uses this stuff it ca= n not be slipped through the "Purchasing" it becomes a posit= ive stop!!
Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min orders and = it said it had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated f= rom 0.125 Cu/En?  Hmm it's plaited ?
Wima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in dep= th but they usually are.
 
I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. by four.
 
Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap!= ! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the wi= dth... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more.
 
I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kit= ting list (UK source) may be they could publish it? 
 
And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New&= quot; but in context it is new and worth while thanks!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX<= br>
 
From: Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 201= 2, 16:53
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 47= 2 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi MF,

Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png  (pict= ure of prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JP= G)

Most of the parts are not critical.

The ferrite cores are the blue EPCO= S types, N30 material. Details are in the image. But you may use a F= T140-77 alternatively and double the primary and secondary number of turns.=

There are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher input capac= ity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts. Switching time= s are not critical. So you need to find a compromise between low on resista= nce and input capacity while the Drain-Source voltage should be 55V for a 12V supply.

Instead of RF litz wire (i u= se this one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI%2= 0200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4m= m or what you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less.

The overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is qu= ite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p test= s. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a multi step switch and more t= aps.

A DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal coming f= rom a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the peak in= put voltage exceeds 5 Vp.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before!






Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb= M0FMT:
Hi again Stefan
 
The Litz is too, = only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@((
 
Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be stra= nded up to make a synth?

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO9= 1UX
From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 201= 2, 10:22
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 47= 2 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
Just over =A35 a pop!
Just over =A36 a pop!
But what is the =93Unobtainium=94 ferrite?   =85=85 ;0)
Ch= ees Pete FMT
   From: Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 = mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 201= 2, 9:42
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 47= 2 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hello Stephan ,
Me too
73  , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ 



Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =E9= crit :
Hi Stephan
 
Me Too

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 201= 2, 9:12
Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kH= z PA running at 12 VDC

like
 
----- Original Message -----
From: = Rik Strobbe
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 A= M
Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running = at 12 VDC

If someone is in= terested i may convert the circuit from my mind&nb= sp;into a schematic as a png file.
 
Always interested ;-)
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T










--_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB71D7ICTSSMBX5lunaku_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C6730380000AF; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScgUG-0003Sq-2u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:27:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScgUF-0003Sh-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:27:07 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScgUC-0003D7-V9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:27:06 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 6A8431380DD.AD259 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-1e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.33]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8431380DD for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:27:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B1A64040 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:26:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::f5f7:d8cc:bee0:28d3%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:26:54 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Thread-Index: AQHNRLfk7SG7APXUC0+xc7OyaOLnEpbvGtur Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 17:26:53 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C693974@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.12] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.129 (rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, 579 on my 500kHz antenna (11m high, 25m long lazy-L tuned at 500kHz) and weak but clear copy on a 2m indoor wire. The only signal that was stronger here was HE3OM. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 2e2f7cbbe9f38dd7bf3fac4fc012e6fc Subject: LF: RE: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:420542528:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4fd0e4ad7200 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, 579 on my 500kHz antenna (11m high, 25m long lazy-L tuned at 500kHz) and we= ak but clear copy on a 2m indoor wire. The only signal that was stronger here was HE3OM. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: donderdag 7 juni 2012 16:10 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz LF! I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN :-) In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=3D50&customRange=3D137 so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! 73, Stefan/DK7FC= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB188380001D4; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShOlC-0003Ve-9e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:32:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShOlB-0003VV-RX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:32:05 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShOlA-0004zQ-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:32:04 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5KHW3r9032679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:32:03 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5KHW3ae009349 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:32:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE208A9.1050403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:30:17 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CF1CEB6E3DA560-2320-13390@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CF1CEB6E3DA560-2320-13390@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Markus, Oh, that looks nice, thanks for the info. I already thought that i probably still have much to learn about SpecLab. Well, i don't use an IQ input here, that's why SDRadio is not my choice anyway ( i thought it can be configured for an mono input). [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4f449c45f7b1894a9195a328eedaeb30 Subject: Re: LF: ... SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010508060801080804030405" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:384764768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fe2094c129d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010508060801080804030405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Markus, Oh, that looks nice, thanks for the info. I already thought that i probably still have much to learn about SpecLab. Well, i don't use an IQ input here, that's why SDRadio is not my choice anyway ( i thought it can be configured for an mono input). Now i'm running the "SAQrcvr1.usr". Looks promising BUT: How do i have to program (interpreter commands) SpecLab so that i can move the filter over the band with the scroll wheel of the mouse? Maybe interesting for others as well, so i'm asking here... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 20.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester: > Hi Stefan, > as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, you > can define a marker which lets you pull the FFT filter frequency with > the mouse. > In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the FFT filter used to crash > with complex I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the recent b08. > Thanks Wolf, works like a charm ;-) > Best 73, > Markus > --------------010508060801080804030405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5KHW3r9032679 Hello Markus,

Oh, that looks nice, thanks for the info. I already thought that i probably still have much to learn about SpecLab.
Well, i don't use an IQ input here, that's why SDRadio is not my choice anyway ( i thought it can be configured for an mono input).

Now i'm running the "SAQrcvr1.usr". Looks promising BUT: How do i have to program (interpreter commands) SpecLab so that i can move the filter over the band with the scroll wheel of the mouse? Maybe interesting for others as well, so i'm asking here...

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 20.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester:
Hi Stefan,
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as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, you can=C2=A0define a marker which lets you=C2=A0pull=C2=A0the FFT=C2=A0f= ilter frequency with the mouse.
=C2=A0
In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the FFT=C2=A0filter=C2=A0us= ed to crash with=C2=A0complex=C2=A0I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the re= cent b08. Thanks Wolf, works like a charm ;-)
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Best 73,
Markus
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(VPS 120621-0, 21/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather here either :-(( The problem with unconventional "shapes" is you will have to just try 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing ground loss as the most effective use of time and effort. Best done by measurement, and not urban myths :-)) Thats why I always plug a simple transformer coupled bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges have never worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-)) I feel closer to the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" right. It is the classic substitution measurement with passive references. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.90 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: cdd2770020a136d9631c7b77577b7e9a Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01CD4FF0.BCF4FD50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81642 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:415418560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-a403.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b4fe381847cd0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01CD4FF0.BCF4FD50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0096_01CD4FF0.BCF4FD50" ------=_NextPart_001_0096_01CD4FF0.BCF4FD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather here either :-(( The problem with unconventional "shapes" is you will have to just try = 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing ground loss as the most = effective use of time and effort. Best done by measurement, and not = urban myths :-)) Thats why I always plug a simple transformer coupled = bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges have never = worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also = like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-)) I feel = closer to the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, = even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I = learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" right. It is the classic = substitution measurement with passive references. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? R Alan. Horizontal spread ......missing at the moment ... will have = another look out side , when the rain stops , horizontal open = box may be possible ..just=20 Tnx -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter too much :-)) The thing is to get as much wire as high as possible. Yes fold it = back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 feet dont add much over a = single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce = the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly = the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) = will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to = increase the radiation resistance. Your diagram is difficult to read but running one of the wires = directly under another will be of no benefit and may be worse than not = having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at least = 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the idea. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: LF: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Any thoughts on the best configuration for the top wire ?? Tnx -G, ------=_NextPart_001_0096_01CD4FF0.BCF4FD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather = here either=20 :-((
The problem with unconventional = "shapes" is you=20 will have to just try 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing = ground=20 loss as the most effective use of time and effort. Best done by = measurement,=20 and not urban myths :-))  Thats why I always plug a simple = transformer=20 coupled bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges = have never=20 worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also = like=20 bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-))  I feel = closer to=20 the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, even if I = dont=20 get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I learnt to sense = when the=20 measurement "feels" right. It is the classic substitution measurement = with=20 passive references.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 6:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top = wire=20 config - Best Option ??

R Alan.
 
Horizontal  spread  ......missing  at the  = moment=20 ...  will  have  another  look  out  = side =20 , when the  rain  stops ,  horizontal   = open =20 box may  be  possible ..just
 
Tnx -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter = too=20 much  :-))
The thing is to get as much wire as = high as=20 possible. Yes fold it back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 = feet dont=20 add much over a single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember = this may=20 reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase = slightly=20 the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage=20 points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to=20 ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) will = probably=20 halve you ground losses. It will do very little to increase the = radiation=20 resistance.
 
Your diagram is difficult to read but = running one=20 of the wires directly under another will be of no benefit and may be = worse=20 than not having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull = it at=20 least 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the=20 idea.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
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From:=20 Graham
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 4:17=20 PM
Subject: LF: InV L Top wire = config -=20 Best Option ??

InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best = Option=20 ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  configuration  = for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
Tnx -G,
 
 
 
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Content preview: I think some careful thought should go into the bandplanning to avoid a conflict of modes especially those that want to QSO as opposed to those unattended Beacon qrm generators in any mode. ie REPEATIVE CW, QRSS, OPERA and other data modes. also some countries might not get the full allocation and might need a different slot for their chosed mode. de G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: c1295c176f29281d31cecda7e6248180 Subject: LF: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4AF8.0F0764A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:495122048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fdb34541f9f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4AF8.0F0764A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think some careful thought should go into the bandplanning to avoid a = conflict of modes especially those that want to QSO as opposed to those = unattended Beacon qrm generators in any mode. ie REPEATIVE CW, QRSS, = OPERA and other data modes.=20 also some countries might not get the full allocation and might need a = different slot for their chosed mode. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Dennison=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ? =20 I agree there should be thought given to bandplanning. Where, for=20 instance, should I set my QRSS receiver? However, the band is 7kHz wide and the suggestion to "go 1k up may=20 be , 473 dial to give room for cw etc" would in fact give just 2.2kHz=20 of the band for what will presumably be the most popular mode.=20 Currently the two modes of the 500kHz version of Opera occupies from=20 1.2kHz to 1.8kHz above dial frequency. I think we need first to look at how much each mode might occupy. A=20 useful division might be 3.8kHz for CW, 0.2Hz for QRSS (perhaps in=20 two wide-spaced sub-bands) and 3kHz for all "data" (machine-read=20 modes including Opera). There is an argument that any mode involving=20 beacons (including some uses of QRSS and Opera) should be widely=20 separated from two-way QSOs. Lower bandwidth modes should be nearer the band edge. Perhaps 'DX'=20 modes should avoid the active NDB frequencies - say between 476 and=20 478kHz. Currently, it seems that Opera had a dial frequency of 500kHz, and=20 the 1.2kHz below it has some QRSS activity (eg IQ2MI). That sort of=20 arrangement may work on 472kHz provided the Opera allocaton does not=20 eventually migrate as it did on 137kHz. Perhaps in the short term there should be allocated (or at least=20 agreed) frequencies with an understanding by all that there will need=20 to be adjustments eventually. All food for thought. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Well , could set the lower band edge frequency , that fits in with > using USB, puts signal 1.4Khz inside the band .. or do we need to go > 1k up may be , 473 dial to give room for cw etc ? >=20 > G. >=20 > --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, Rik Strobbe > wrote: > > Either the upper or lower band end ? > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD > - OR7T > > > > ________________________________ > Van: > rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] > namens graham787 [g0nbd@...] > Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 2:13 > > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk > Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] New > Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ? > > > > New QRG for 472 Khz Band > > > Suggestions needed for a QRG for the new 472 KHz band > Dial set USB > frequency , taking into account other band users ! > > Tnx - G > >=20 >=20 >=20 __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (4)=20 Recent Activity: a.. 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I think some careful thought should go into the=20 bandplanning to avoid a conflict of modes especially those that want to = QSO as=20 opposed to those unattended Beacon qrm generators in any mode. ie = REPEATIVE=20 CW, QRSS, OPERA and other data modes. 
also some countries might not get the full = allocation and=20 might need a different slot for their chosed mode.
 de G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mike=20 Dennison
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz = Band=20 ?

  =

I agree there should be thought given to bandplanning. Where, for=20
instance, should I set my QRSS receiver?

However, the band is = 7kHz=20 wide and the suggestion to "go 1k up may
be , 473 dial to give room = for cw=20 etc" would in fact give just 2.2kHz
of the band for what will = presumably be=20 the most popular mode.
Currently the two modes of the 500kHz version = of=20 Opera occupies from
1.2kHz to 1.8kHz above dial frequency.

I = think we=20 need first to look at how much each mode might occupy. A
useful = division=20 might be 3.8kHz for CW, 0.2Hz for QRSS (perhaps in
two wide-spaced=20 sub-bands) and 3kHz for all "data" (machine-read
modes including = Opera).=20 There is an argument that any mode involving
beacons (including some = uses of=20 QRSS and Opera) should be widely
separated from two-way = QSOs.

Lower=20 bandwidth modes should be nearer the band edge. Perhaps 'DX'
modes = should=20 avoid the active NDB frequencies - say between 476 and=20
478kHz.

Currently, it seems that Opera had a dial frequency = of=20 500kHz, and
the 1.2kHz below it has some QRSS activity (eg IQ2MI). = That sort=20 of
arrangement may work on 472kHz provided the Opera allocaton does = not=20
eventually migrate as it did on 137kHz.

Perhaps in the short = term=20 there should be allocated (or at least
agreed) frequencies with an=20 understanding by all that there will need
to be adjustments=20 eventually.

All food for thought.
Mike,=20 G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

> Well , could set = the lower band edge frequency=20 , that fits in with
> using USB, puts signal 1.4Khz inside the = band .. or=20 do we need to go
> 1k up may be , 473 dial to give room for cw etc = ?
>
> G.
>
> --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogrou= ps.co.uk,=20 Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@...>
> wrote: > > Either the = upper or=20 lower band end ? > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD
> - OR7T > = > >=20 > ________________________________ > Van:
> rsgb_lf_group@yahoogrou= ps.co.uk=20 [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogrou= ps.co.uk]
>=20 namens graham787 [g0nbd@...] > Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 2:13=20 >
> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogrou= ps.co.uk=20 > Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] New
> Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ? = >=20 > > > New QRG for 472 Khz Band > >
> Suggestions = needed for=20 a QRG for the new 472 KHz band > Dial set USB
> frequency , = taking into=20 account other band users ! > > Tnx - G >
>
> =
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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4AF8.0F0764A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E54CF38000082; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShrN2-00039X-26 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:05:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShrN1-00039O-9a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:05:03 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShrMz-0005kH-Az for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:05:02 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5M05045026765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 22 Jun 2012 02:05:00 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5M0506P012041; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 02:05:00 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE3B641.2000709@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 02:03:13 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D." References: <4FE39E8E.8000301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <41D4AB78ABB34782B413399ED4F3481A@gnat> In-Reply-To: <41D4AB78ABB34782B413399ED4F3481A@gnat> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5M05045026765 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Alan, What do you think about the remaining signal of DCF39 after the sunset? Is it really DCF39? Or a local QRM line? I once took a recording and reprocessed it here on my PC. I saw there is a local line (without the data bursts) but it was some Hz below DCF. Since the receive system is reasonable stable (drift < 0.1 Hz) i reduced the frequency range for detecting the signal level for the DCF plot to a BW of 1 Hz. Anyway there appears a trace which is > -30 dB below the night peak but anyway visible. Realistic? That path is almost completely over water. In some days you can even see the steps of S/N reduction due to the sunrise in the reflection zones. At least it looks like that.. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 32d4aaaf019758ff5a0d8e92eec683e6 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:365419328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fe3b6e80d8a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Alan, What do you think about the remaining signal of DCF39 after the sunset?=20 Is it really DCF39? Or a local QRM line? I once took a recording and=20 reprocessed it here on my PC. I saw there is a local line (without the=20 data bursts) but it was some Hz below DCF. Since the receive system is=20 reasonable stable (drift < 0.1 Hz) i reduced the frequency range for=20 detecting the signal level for the DCF plot to a BW of 1 Hz. Anyway=20 there appears a trace which is > -30 dB below the night peak but anyway=20 visible. Realistic? That path is almost completely over water. In some=20 days you can even see the steps of S/N reduction due to the sunrise in=20 the reflection zones. At least it looks like that.. With a receive loop in winther i think even G3KEV has a chance to appear=20 there ;-) For winther i expect at least a 10 dB S/N improvement, maybe=20 rather 20 dB. A loop which cancels the noise from the southern=20 hemisphere, many stations will have good chances to appear in SA i think. 73, Stefan Am 22.06.2012 01:46, schrieb Alan Melia: > Hi Stefan, this is a function of propagation, I think. It depends on=20 > where the interference originates. Because there is virtually no=20 > skywave propagation in the "sunrise dip", no noise is propagated by=20 > skywave (> 1000km) from the east. Where you live you have large cities=20 > all round you. We get this effect on the edge of Europe as the=20 > daylight kills the night-time propgation of noise fron the East (there=20 > a few big cities or industrial noise sources for 3000 km W of Ireland > :-)) ) > > It was thought at first that this would be the best time for DX, but=20 > despite trying it didnt work out that way. Mike G3XDV and Brian CT1DRP=20 > tried quite hard..... but eventually made the qso mid morning, when=20 > the noise was up again due to increases in daytime skywave!! That is=20 > if I remember correctly.....it fascinated me as I was just getting=20 > interested in LF long distance propagation around then. We found=20 > evening effects in Nova Scotia and I believe similar effects were=20 > reported by John W1TAG and Jay W1VD who are very close to the US East=20 > Coast. > > Alan > G3NYK > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 > > To: ; "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D."=20 > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:22 PM > Subject: LF: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes > > >> Hello Martin, LF, >> >> I'm fascinated by the noise drop on LF which occurs during your=20 >> sunrise. On your grabber=20 >> (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), i can=20 >> see the noise drops 15 dB within 20 minutes. That means the sun must=20 >> be very strong so the ionosphere is very quickly ionized. Also the=20 >> local lightning density must be extreme. All in all it looks like a=20 >> very sensitive system. But some directivity would be interesting :-) >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> PS: I will be on 136.172 kHz again this night, starting in a few=20 >> minutes... >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0354438000207; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbtVV-000510-Ug for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:09:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbtVV-00050p-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:09:09 +0100 Received: from smtp1web.tin.it ([212.216.176.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbtVT-0002Hp-1N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:09:08 +0100 Received: from fep-mail-web-l2b.virgilio.net (212.48.20.162) by smtp1web.tin.it (8.6.023.02) id 4ECA1AC40335599A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:09:05 +0200 Message-ID: <137bcc34f21.marcocadeddu@tin.it> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:09:05 +0200 (CEST) From: "marcocadeddu@tin.it" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 81.201.7.62 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello LF, I do like to notify my will keeping in mind the attached message of Federico. My vote is yes for blacksheep. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.216.176.195 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (marcocadeddu[at]tin.it) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: bf9cd6b3d49c805062abf73a1027fea8 Subject: LF: Vote Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470058976:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4fce052924e1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello LF, I do like to notify my will keeping in mind the attached message of Federico. My vote is yes for blacksheep. 73 and CU on the LF Marco, IK1HSS P.S. hope that the flow of messages stops P.S.S. although I took the occasion and subscribed the yahoo group I do not care if I'able or I can vote there: if the subscribers to blacksheep have to decide if this group has to stay alive why vote on yahoo? ---- Messaggio originale---- Da: ea2hb@telefonica.net Data: 5-giu-2012 8.10 AM A: Ogg: Re: LF: general Dear Friends, I have only 72 years, of which only 57 as a ham. At this time, I've seen enough to conclude that: A. - Amateur radio is a prestigious industry honor that we belong. B. - The amateur radio encompasses many facets. C. - In addition to the technical aspects and communication, there are other very important as coordination, knowledge dissemination, etc. D. - In the field of coordination, I have seen too many leaders, forgetting the basics of amateur radio, seek collective orientation toward goals that look more like herding a flock of which are to be installed as chiefs. E. - Blacksheep.org, is a sector that is working very well. F. - I find it to be installed other discussion forums. G. - What positive is that something that works, is absorbed or replaced by something new which operate profitably be seen ?. H. - Conclusion: Follow Blacksheep and whoever other forums that prestigie. I. - This is not an amateur radio discussion obviously. 73 of Federico EA2HB ----- Original Message ----- From: "IK1WVQ Mauro" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: general > > > ... BASTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! > > > 73 de Mauro IK1WVQ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0CA3C380000AD; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeueF-0004OK-Fp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:58:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeueE-0004OB-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:58:38 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeueC-0005yE-Pk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:58:37 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Jun 2012 20:58:35 -0000 Received: from p5B394830.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.72.48] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 13 Jun 2012 22:58:35 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18/V3hjVsM/dyR6w63gF0a0drNBXtQi3gxnvp4V9W oY7pkjXcAtfsOp Message-ID: <003a01cd49a7$4c7c40f0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> <002701cd49a0$0b38cfc0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:58:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: You were S9 and the beacon modulation tone S7. >Nw QSY 474.- This would be the carrier qrg of 'BIA'. But I hear u nw on 472.492 peaking S8. This channel is free. :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.23 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 0a8bac5594b583e1d7c1e245a9e3ea16 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD49B8.0E97EC60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425129440:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fd8ff2c26cf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD49B8.0E97EC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You were S9 and the beacon modulation tone S7. >Nw QSY 474.- This would be the carrier qrg of 'BIA'. But I hear u nw on 472.492 peaking S8. This channel is free. :-) 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ---- Original Message ----- From: Walter Staubach To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:18 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Tnx Clemens fer info es report. Nw QSY 474. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:06 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz Walter, I can copy your cq call on 472.99kHz,but you are exactly on the qrg of the ndb beacon 'BIA',Poland. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Staubach To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:29 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 utc I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not yet ok. 73 Walter DJ2LF/DI2AG From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 khz MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on this band. or If you want a contact let me know I am active most days de Mal/g3kev E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5065 - Ausgabedatum: 12.06.2012 E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5067 - Ausgabedatum: 13.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD49B8.0E97EC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You were S9 and the beacon = modulation tone=20 S7.
 
>Nw QSY 474.-
 
This would be the carrier qrg of=20 'BIA'.
But I hear u nw on 472.492 peaking = S8.
This channel is free. :-)
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
---- Original Message -----
From:=20 Walter Staubach
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 = 10:18=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 = khz

Tnx Clemens fer info es report. Nw = QSY=20 474.
73
Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clemens = Paul
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 10:06=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz =

Walter,
 
I can copy your cq call on = 472.99kHz,but=20 you are exactly on the qrg of the ndb beacon
'BIA',Poland.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Walter Staubach =
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 5:29=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz =

Mal, let us make our QSO at 21=20 utc
I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx = not yet=20 ok.
73  Walter = DJ2LF/DI2AG
 
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 4:25=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 khz =

MF operators
I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 = for German=20 and others active on this band.
or
If you want a contact let me = know
I am active most days
de Mal/g3kev
 
 

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD49B8.0E97EC60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 35289380000A3; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 05:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb7GS-0005LM-RM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:38:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb7GS-0005LD-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:38:24 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb7GQ-0000Vx-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:38:23 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlIJAEowy09cHnn1/2dsb2JhbABFsncEgSSBCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDQQgCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBDASHZQmoS40NixECTIIsgxYDjT2XVIJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,707,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="383056420" Received: from host-92-30-121-245.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.121.245]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 10:38:21 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:38:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious problems with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small attachments and for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked well this has been pointed out by others. I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get more adverts that I do not need. Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:382071008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064fcb30cb14a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none John Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious problems with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small attachments and for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked well this has been pointed out by others. I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get more adverts that I do not need. Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status > To John, G3WKL, > > Please do NOT shut down this reflector. > > 1. It's active in positive sense. > > 2. There are too many hams here who say > "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven > Brave New World were each posting will be > "googleable" for ever. Me too. > > That's the reason I unsubscribed from > some Yapoo-Groups recently. > > 73 Peter, df3lp > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7ABFD38000345; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShSUg-0004n0-0M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:31:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShSUf-0004mr-8m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:31:17 +0100 Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShSUb-0006mF-RC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:31:16 +0100 Received: from mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.195]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5KLV9Vi026269 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:31:09 -0400 Received: from White (nrbg-4dbfa27a.pool.mediaWays.net [77.191.162.122]) by mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id ECAABE0000FA for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:31:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340227869; bh=w2QXSKaOZ3vOU3kZPrdox6PNjRfDLnQ/3RXX4/JHih8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MYoUirthu3yBTlHbOVqu/tzJTbW3lTBJjOcTOCEzNx0axt60m3tDDSRy79X7ergJw MiW6JOs53Vg5mQpIglNvFeXxZqQJ5GNfHmuRhRTWG79ymk7rRiiaRbL2tQtJUJJQSk YP2EebPvLb4710jL5Mvjes/gSdfpyaCteRhOEQa4= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:404471456:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete, fascinating stuff... There's a Terratec stick somewhere in this house and I'd love to try this IF-recording thing. But as I have zero Linux background, is there a way to run something like RTL-SDR under Windows? [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.105.144 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: 49da477724dcbe37f1e9a7ff55a3b02e Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD4F3C.C264CB30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:442691392:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m023.1 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fe2416e5374 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD4F3C.C264CB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete, fascinating stuff...=20 There's a Terratec stick somewhere in this house and I'd love to try = this IF-recording thing. But as I have zero Linux background, is there a = way to run something like RTL-SDR under Windows? Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:40 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app and = ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 = (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK = source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg = O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v = into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound = card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB = supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software = is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting software = for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to get = started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link to = sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time to = learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD4F3C.C264CB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pete, fascinating stuff... =
 
There's a Terratec stick somewhere in = this house=20 and I'd love to try this IF-recording thing. But as I = have zero=20 Linux background, is there a way to run something like=20 RTL-SDR under Windows?
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:40 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi=20 all
Save=20 those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they will = be around. Try=20 HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  BorIP=20 app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultra-cheap=20 Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB = stick.
These=20 DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK source = and cover about=20 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the cheap way = or=20 expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or similar = block=20 mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF = coverage for=20 peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna. =
Oh=20 and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with record=20 facility and all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80=99s not = enough all your=20 local FM BC as well.  Not = a lot of=20 people know that!
URLs=20 apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
https://= www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6dd= o/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You=20 won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. = :0)
Yy=20 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Stefan=20 Sch=C3=A4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, 20 = June 2012,=20 18:40
Subject: Re: = LF: SDR=20 programs

Hi Piotr,

Thanks for the overview of = programs. That's what i searched for.
But maybe i have expressed = wrongly what=20 i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not only for = IQ=20 inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and=20 mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) = )=20 answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i=20 think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi Stefan, LF
> =
>=20 i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The primary supporting = software for=20 all their sdr  hardware is Spectravue.
> you can download = this=20 program from the rfspace site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult to=20 get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it you = will like=20 it:)
>
> on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com  you = will also=20 find a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
>
>  = they have a=20 very powerful radio console which looks like a regular transceiver front = side
>  It has many many different options - of course, it = does take=20 time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy..
> =
>=20 i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and easy=20 to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr software = supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of = sdr=20 programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                  =  =20                     =  =20                     =  =20         yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: = Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
>
> =



------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD4F3C.C264CB30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6E664380000C1; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXcD-0002nw-4b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:35:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXcC-0002nn-I5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:35:08 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfXc3-0006bF-CD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:35:07 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkgFALY5209Ok8Ni/2dsb2JhbABFgkWiMJBdgQiCEwUBAQ0BAQMgIQgCLAEBCAIBAxEEAQEKOQEEGAIGDAgCDg8EAQkBAgIBAQELBIdcAw8HmEKXdQOJWIs2hhEDiA+FNJEFhlmCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,417,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="384731600" Received: from host-78-147-195-98.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.98]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 15:34:57 +0100 Message-ID: <001101cd4b04$06f9f7d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:34:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tracy es Co The only safe mode on this band is attended CW and possibly QSO MODE Opera so that one can take evasive action immediately to avoid causing QRM to the commercial Beacons when propagation changes take place, like wise to avoid Beacons causing the radio amateur QRM. Prolonged Unattended Beacons in any mode generated by radio amateurs should be a non starter also QRSS at extremely slow speeds should be avoided. These commercial Beacons take up more spectrum that you think because they are often tone modulated (MCW) g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 17acae084404f211678801ec6cbf7d97 Subject: LF: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4B04.05EC7F70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:464614528:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94fdb486a138c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4B04.05EC7F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracy es Co The only safe mode on this band is attended CW and possibly QSO MODE = Opera so that one can take evasive action immediately to avoid causing = QRM to the commercial Beacons when propagation changes take place, like = wise to avoid Beacons causing the radio amateur QRM.=20 Prolonged Unattended Beacons in any mode generated by radio amateurs = should be a non starter also QRSS at extremely slow speeds should be = avoided. These commercial Beacons take up more spectrum that you think because = they are often tone modulated (MCW) g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracey Gardner=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz. Twelve of those have been logged from the UK. The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide detailed = information on frequencies which should be avoided. It should be borne in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of = approx 400Hz and 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of = specific slots to be wary of. http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some form of = guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with NDBs? 73s Tracey G5VU __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (7)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 4=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4B04.05EC7F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tracy es Co
The only safe mode on this band is attended = CW and=20 possibly QSO MODE Opera so that one can take evasive action immediately = to avoid=20 causing QRM to the commercial Beacons when propagation changes take = place,=20  like wise to avoid Beacons causing the radio amateur QRM. =
Prolonged Unattended Beacons in any mode = generated by=20 radio amateurs should be a non starter also QRSS at extremely slow = speeds=20 should be avoided.
These commercial Beacons take up more spectrum = that you=20 think because they are often tone modulated (MCW)
g3kev
 
 
 
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  =

 
Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between = 472-479kHz.
Twelve of those have been logged from the UK.
The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide = detailed=20 information on frequencies which should be avoided.
It should be borne in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a = mix of=20 approx 400Hz and 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of = specific slots=20 to be wary of.
 
 http://www.classaxe.com/dx/n= db/reu/
 
Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some form = of guard=20 bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with NDBs?
 
73s Tracey G5VU

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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4B04.05EC7F70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7F8B13800009C; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Seu1g-0003v0-HZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:18:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Seu1g-0003ur-1n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:18:48 +0100 Received: from mailout04.t-online.de ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Seu1d-0005kB-Pa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:18:46 +0100 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de (fwd04.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1Seu1c-00075H-KT; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:18:44 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (TWm-xiZDwh8L8A8mAIfcMlhYwQWPrvuMh8+NJukajuTgSDnH7ZxzenW1XHRbjmXgb0@[84.147.166.56]) by fwd04.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Seu1V-12rLDk0; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:18:37 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> <002701cd49a0$0b38cfc0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:18:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: TWm-xiZDwh8L8A8mAIfcMlhYwQWPrvuMh8+NJukajuTgSDnH7ZxzenW1XHRbjmXgb0 X-TOI-MSGID: 1f1a1bc2-21da-4f14-ae43-90037d578ef6 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx Clemens fer info es report. Nw QSY 474. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:06 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.18 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 2bd5d3c3e4b1ac0d4c95b192e62a82a2 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD49B2.7B856B00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:434916000:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fd8f5da5072 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD49B2.7B856B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Clemens fer info es report. Nw QSY 474. 73 Walter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clemens Paul=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:06 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz=20 Walter, I can copy your cq call on 472.99kHz,but you are exactly on the qrg of = the ndb beacon 'BIA',Poland. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Walter Staubach=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:29 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz=20 Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 utc I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not yet ok. 73 Walter DJ2LF/DI2AG From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 khz=20 MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others = active on this band. or=20 If you want a contact let me know I am active most days=20 de Mal/g3kev E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5065 - Ausgabedatum: = 12.06.2012=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD49B2.7B856B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Clemens fer info es report. Nw QSY=20 474.
73
Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clemens = Paul
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 = 10:06=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz =

Walter,
 
I can copy your cq call on = 472.99kHz,but=20 you are exactly on the qrg of the ndb beacon
'BIA',Poland.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Walter Staubach
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 5:29=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz =

Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 = utc
I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx = not yet=20 ok.
73  Walter = DJ2LF/DI2AG
 
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 4:25=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 khz

MF operators
I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for = German=20 and others active on this band.
or
If you want a contact let me = know
I am active most days
de Mal/g3kev
 
 

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version:=20 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5065 - Ausgabedatum: 12.06.2012=20

------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD49B2.7B856B00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7172038000127; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShgxH-0007l6-Ph for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:57:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShgxH-0007kx-2r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:57:47 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShgxF-0006QT-5W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:57:45 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A456E13434A; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:57:38 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 922qFum6j0864M02; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:57:35 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.4] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID941qFum6j3635X02; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:57:35 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.4 IN dibene@usa.net imap04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID941qFum6j3635X02 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.9.118] by imap04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 120qFum6I5616M24; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:57:34 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.9.118 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FE31A38.7080606@usa.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:57:28 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FE2495D.4090509@usa.net> <001901cd4f38$6b0d2980$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001901cd4f38$6b0d2980$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120621-0, 06/21/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID120qFum6j5616X24 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 6/21/2012 12:59 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > /Surprised to see you on Blacksheep reflector, you said last week you were going to Yahoo and not coming back !!/ > /Blacksheep for information and education, Yahoo for picture post cards/ [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010306050903070704020802" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:407067136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fe31a9d2e75 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010306050903070704020802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/21/2012 12:59 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > /Surprised to see you on Blacksheep reflector, you said last week you were going to Yahoo and not coming back !!/ > /Blacksheep for information and education, Yahoo for picture post cards/ And I am surprised you are observing my moves. Does this imply a sense of insecurity from your side ? And moreover you don't even remember exactly what I wrote. But I am not interested in arguing with you, and I won't anymore. Past history has demonstrated what is your worth. 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------010306050903070704020802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 6/21/2012 12:59 AM, mal hamilton wrote:
Surprised to see you on Blacksheep reflector, you said last week you were going to Yahoo and not coming back !!
Blacksheep for information and education, Yahoo for picture post cards

And I am surprised you are observing my moves. Does this imply a sense of insecurity from your side ?
And moreover you don't even remember exactly what I wrote.

But I am not interested in arguing with you, and I won't anymore. Past history has demonstrated what is your worth.

73=A0 Alberto=A0 I2PHD

--------------010306050903070704020802-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 838B538000085; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Siotr-0006rD-Vw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:38:55 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Siotr-0006r4-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:38:55 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sioto-0002R3-TR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:38:54 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.176]) by cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:38:51 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.20]) by cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:38:51 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:38:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE7348B.3080601@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:38:51 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> In-Reply-To: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2012 15:38:52.0181 (UTC) FILETIME=[74DE6C50:01CD521F] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Received an email from Wouter PA3WEG. The WebSDR is x-tal driven, but he will look at it to get the unit somewhat lower. He intends to widen the bandpass filter in such it will catch the lower end more effectively. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.4 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: Re: LF: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:353888352:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174fe734bf6dfc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Received an email from Wouter PA3WEG. The WebSDR is x-tal driven, but he will look at it to get the unit somewhat lower. He intends to widen the bandpass filter in such it will catch the lower end more effectively. In future the SDR will receive new hardware for VHF/UHF or 4 & 6m Also 137kHz will receive some attention. His main problem is time.... At the moment he is very busy with the FUNcube satelliet project. (funcube.org.uk) Jan/pa3abk NNNN On 16-6-2012 18:02, Graham wrote: > Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... ! > Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft > can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise > .should work ? > G.. > http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 026833800008C; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd7uu-0002zO-Be for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:44:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd7ut-0002zF-TS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:44:27 +0100 Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.169.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd7ul-0001X5-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:44:26 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q58MiAYl003018 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:44:10 -0400 Received: from core-msb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.141]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B84ACE000082 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:44:10 -0400 (EDT) References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CF13DA2999C95F-250-7AFD@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> <001701cd45c6$e3bfee60$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001701cd45c6$e3bfee60$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36301-STANDARD Received: from 77.190.100.187 by web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.142) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:44:10 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF13DF5AA6BDA8-250-7CC1@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [77.190.100.187] Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:44:10 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1339195450; bh=f4hx6tw8cwwoFby48v4tn20JvE4xFaXOytNRZWbV970=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=u/Sitc8y1vYs0fG/A9EsIDCXV/tsCxEkR03qp3Gm7nTsUbUxDnn+yT5u2Tk45SbCF gtKGYHfDZWS+PPeFSBr8DO0pkjL0JsubocwRHGg3888X99p/0RIjk0FXwUzkedx7m3 EA58MzswDbtgcyf8xGJ6XE6AxP4387nGwf7r+e2U= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:457966592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Andrey, thanks for the nice report! At 22:30 I sent another test in DFCW, and SNR at the fieldday site had improved to 30 dB. 73, Markus (DF6NM) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.169.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 11963a33d604c33786d8f1de94ce267f Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF13DF5ACCD408_250_20D84_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487462496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m008.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fd2807b0193 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF13DF5ACCD408_250_20D84_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Andrey, thanks for the nice report!=20 At 22:30 I sent another test in DFCW, and SNR at the fieldday site had impr= oved to 30 dB. 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: rn3agc An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 8 Jun 2012 10:35 pm Betreff: Re: LF: Fieldday GE Markus, Your carrier in Moscow, ~10db. 73 ndrey i Stefan, just sent a test carrier on 137710 for a couple of minutes from my Marconi = (the=20 utdoor antenna ;-). SNR in QRSS3 was 41 dB in=20 eidelberg, and around 20 dB on the temporary grabber. Of course the ferrite= =20 ntenna might not have been pointing my way. Any chance=20 ou could place it outside the car? Greetings to the gang, have fun! Best 73, arkus=20 ----------MB_8CF13DF5ACCD408_250_20D84_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Andrey, thanks for the nice report!
 
At 22:30 I sent another test in DFCW, and SNR at the fieldda= y site had improved to 30 dB.
 
73,
Markus (DF6NM)


 
= -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: rn3agc <rn3agc@mail.ru>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 8 Jun 2012 10:35 pm
Betreff: Re: LF: Fieldday

GE Mar=
kus,

Your carrier in Moscow, ~10db.

73
Andrey


Hi Stefan,

just sent a test carrier on 137710 for a couple of minutes from my Marconi =
(the=20
outdoor antenna ;-). SNR in QRSS3 was 41 dB in=20
Heidelberg, and around 20 dB on the temporary grabber. Of course the ferrit=
e=20
antenna might not have been pointing my way. Any chance=20
you could place it outside the car?

Greetings to the gang, have fun!

Best 73,
Markus=20
----------MB_8CF13DF5ACCD408_250_20D84_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 59EBD380000A4; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShR4N-0004Ik-DJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:00:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShR4M-0004Ib-Er for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:00:02 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShR4J-00062y-Tj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:00:01 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE51134266; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:59:56 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 152qFTT836864M02; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:59:54 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.4] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID171qFTT830147X02; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:59:54 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.4 IN dibene@usa.net imap04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID171qFTT830147X02 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.8.95] by imap04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 838qFTT825616M24; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:59:53 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.8.95 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FE22BB6.1080100@usa.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:59:50 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120620-1, 06/20/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID838qFTT825616X24 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 6/20/2012 7:40 PM, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. > Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Stefan, Winrad and all of its derivatives, like HDSDR and WrPlus, can be configured to accept not only an I/Q signal, but also a mono signal. Of course you lose half of the bandwidth, meaning that if you samples at 96 kHz, instead of having 96 kHz of band available, you will have only 48. But this is unavoidable, the laws of physics are rigid... :-) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050000030408080805080403" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:420771680:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fe22c1a6519 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050000030408080805080403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/20/2012 7:40 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inpu= ts.=20 > Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Stefan, Winrad and all of its derivatives, like HDSDR and WrPlus, can be config= ured to accept not only an I/Q signal, but also a mono signal. Of course you lose half o= f the bandwidth, meaning that if you samples at 96 kHz, instead of having 96 kHz of band available= , you will have only 48. But this is unavoidable, the laws of physics are rigid... :-) Winrad can be download from http://www.weaksignals.com while HDSDR can be downloaded from http://www,hdsdr.de 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------050000030408080805080403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 6/20/2012 7:40 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, n=
ot only for IQ inputs.=20
Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono?
Stefan,

=A0 Winrad and all of its derivatives, like HDSDR and WrPlus, can be configured to accept
not only an I/Q signal, but also a mono signal. Of course you lose half of the bandwidth, meaning
that if you samples at 96 kHz, instead of having 96 kHz of band available, you will have only 48.
But this is unavoidable, the laws of physics are rigid... :-)

Winrad can be download from
http://www.weaksignals.com

while HDSDR can be downloaded from
http:= //www,hdsdr.de

73=A0 Alberto=A0 I2PHD
--------------050000030408080805080403-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 84270380000E0; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfrgx-0005yl-DV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:01:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfrgw-0005yc-Tr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:01:22 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfrgu-0001jr-OU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:01:21 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W34 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 05:01:18 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group , RSGB Yahoo Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:01:17 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2012 12:01:18.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCE476C0:01CD4BB7] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All, Just to let you know.....It's all systems go for the "G4WGT Grabbers" at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73, Gary - G4WGT Hi All, Just to let you know.....It's all systems go for the "G4WGT Grabbers" at :- [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.37 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1708620d3ce65bee0beaaede7929769a Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_98d6679b-68f2-4490-8a7d-278931bda37c_" Subject: LF: G4WGT Grabbers X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:305876608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d618a4fdc75c80b7b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_98d6679b-68f2-4490-8a7d-278931bda37c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=2C Just to let you know.....It's all systems go for the "G4WGT Grabb= ers" at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73=2C Gary - G= 4WGT = --_98d6679b-68f2-4490-8a7d-278931bda37c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= --_98d6679b-68f2-4490-8a7d-278931bda37c_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BD9F838000094; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgkZX-0001id-Az for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:37:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgkZW-0001iU-L1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:37:22 +0100 Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgkZU-0007Ux-Vw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:37:21 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.54] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2012 22:37:19 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.253] by tm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2012 22:37:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2012 22:37:19 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 945590.93643.bm@omp1018.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 26869 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jun 2012 22:37:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340059039; bh=1uUHE11k0fOMpzK54rmux2F+qIbLql0hAbzNBpukaZU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6XJstp7WZfEMHGV8TknLllfcjkq04F0XSiKgSgZHS7qnvtE1McrLEXXb5uRJSRhIxXqjP71kg0biPtjQL15Zi+JeFHNgABhWqvoGQhhmy/kt8xkeqcDC0TrdCI4PKpg/MXe1XjAi/rhOQv3s9uqTb2acPrZ7gZGrPkzGk1v+Hzg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TEInT9aRgjsPxWXw6+NcQo1Jwg8EvlUAtiJkbzrlLOO2vxOqGZlhmIXeBaxj3tVS2HNW/1kD4oyzZ0TRvdoV8amY5ycM7HXXbgAnAo/l+XXP+gZ0JJjTto8jw8THVF1vJze3D9rv9CP14kVHhWFXWi+aChLJi6imSCCDYexI2ro=; X-YMail-OSG: TzdYkqcVM1nhHZ_Y7kIY4wI6t7KhV_0FDHMn2LPzWo75oKT m1dej08gEuGlgRame0YbvB3VYTZ0UNoeGBCmgwT1ev_KeXObYEdavg0Ncjbv dk4pLRYZ._XqPGlY28s1rtMC2ffGsUhR5dDaB78R080FrFZdsYzZCchfrVmZ BtCHoSim.cbMfUwrg_2DmG59CYWyANMGiFCTbEbvzz9Lg4W4hYw9UYDOfTDP nQVxACuDx01BTmrzj_Vt5QtQ9RlkrbrJ6g_odPzvhVDkNsagvL.EkrnS.vy2 V0Ho4dwXiWmAoRJKM4YTSBo9Hx0Ar.v62bl7l6xEaCU9P4kSPeXTXnxXY3eU 8zON623bvEm7GJCrYAzHjbUAi4Eac0tqFTtoM9InaMlZjrleJyGkc.Mh6WEX GvPMAb.npvywyC9A26_dlAn.bktJE.Gsn Received: from [82.39.62.205] by web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:37:19 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1340059039.25081.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:37:19 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Thayne To: rsgb lf MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan I am hearing a very nice 559 signal of you calling CQ on 473.5khz at 2216utc tonight. No interference and nice hand sent morse from you. Using a miniwhip rx antenna. I am looking forward to joining in the fun in January 2013 when we get access to the new band. Small garden here so I will have to be /p to get a decent signal out, I learnt the lesson on 500khz! 73 Mike Thayne G3GMS Whitley Bay IO95GB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.65 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g3gms[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 73624bb08a20c2e0895fd0d9fb8136a4 Subject: LF: DK7FC on 473.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:406536128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d013.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554fdfaddf0371 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan=0A=A0=0AI am hearing a very nice 559 signal of you calling CQ = on 473.5khz at 2216utc tonight. No interference and nice hand sent=A0morse = from you. Using a miniwhip rx antenna.=0AI am looking forward to joining in= the fun in January 2013=A0when we get access to the new band. =0ASmall gar= den here so I will have to be /p to get a decent signal out, I learnt the l= esson on 500khz! =0A=A0=0A73=0AMike Thayne=0AG3GMS=0AWhitley Bay IO95GB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 20B1F38000083; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 07:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbVoc-0002bW-79 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:51:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbVob-0002bN-P6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:51:17 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbVoZ-0006FB-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:51:16 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AowKAFGgzE9cF/Mu/2dsb2JhbABFhU6EL5lYjyYEgSaBCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDFg8BIwImBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBAQICBSECAhQBBAgSBgwKCAYTCgECAgEBAYV/gWwDBgkHpASIOgMKiU6BI4kOYE6CLIIEgRIDjT2IbYlshHuCYIFf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,712,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="540278782" Received: from host-92-23-243-46.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.243.46]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 12:51:13 +0100 Message-ID: <008001cd4248$56a98080$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB7397.8020204@legal-medicine.de> <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> <4FCBD854.5080003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <120D17A5-6D9A-4AED-B46F-F784E7EA4A28@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:51:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: What I would like to see is a VOTE taking place openly on both reflectors for all to SEE ie TRANSPARENT and DEMOCRATIC and not a closed shop approach on one reflector. Let the 155 subscribers please VOTE openly G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b08ad821341ca291e1fd930f7b9292d3 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=GET_STARTED_NOW autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481009088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584fcca1724b2c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none What I would like to see is a VOTE taking place openly on both reflectors for all to SEE ie TRANSPARENT and DEMOCRATIC and not a closed shop approach on one reflector. Let the 155 subscribers please VOTE openly G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Lapthorn" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:43 PM Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement The poll is open until June 11th Stefan! 73s Roger -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 3 Jun 2012, at 22:34, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > It wasn't possible to take part in the poll even after subscribing. So this cannot be serious! Apart from the democratic conflict which is see too. > I think the different opinions are clear after that day. > Now i want to focus on amateur radio again, whatever the frequency might be. > > Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 03.06.2012 16:29, schrieb Graham: >> Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , so this should exclude your vote from the poll .... >> >> G. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "pws" >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement >> >>> John, >>> >>> You wrote: >>>> ... >>>> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >>>> how do you want to continue? >>>> >>>> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >>>> o With the Blacksheep.org list >>>> o Both lists >>>> >>>> >>>> To vote, please visit the following web page: >>>> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 >>> >>> I got what expected: >>> """ >>> To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable Web Access. >>> >>> With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, links, message archive search, and more! >>> >>> Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group >>> >>> If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web Access and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. >>> >>> To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". >>> >>> Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? >>> If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now. >>> """ >>> >>> No, thanks! >>> I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. That's all. >>> >>> Peter, df3lp >>> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 70EB338000084; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgHHu-0006eF-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:21:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgHHt-0006e6-JI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:21:13 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgHHr-0007Ll-S6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:21:12 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.14.151]) by mwinf5d48 with ME id PTMA1j0083FYniy03TMA8w; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:21:11 +0200 Message-ID: <578BF457DD834F6485E0093B26499230@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEB38.9090807@kpnmail.nl> <4FDDE5F5.4000307@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDDE5F5.4000307@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:21:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Yes Chris is 50% of the distance I am to the delft sdr, over land that indices a big loss , I can decode using ros-mf-2 during the day time , with 150 watts to the Ae , during the night , I have decoded with round 500 mW Ae feed , Mal being on the sunny east coast , has a nice water path over to EU , just as gb4fpr , a path out to the west over the Atlantic and south down the river Mersey [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Subject: Re: LF: MF propagation... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1454fddf6226cc6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes Chris is 50% of the distance I am to the delft sdr, over land that indices a big loss , I can decode using ros-mf-2 during the day time , with 150 watts to the Ae , during the night , I have decoded with round 500 mW Ae feed , Mal being on the sunny east coast , has a nice water path over to EU , just as gb4fpr , a path out to the west over the Atlantic and south down the river Mersey But as we have proved with the 600 ft delta loop , a vertical section is a requirement to radiate effectively, most old marine installations , only had 30 or 40 feet of vertical wire from the radio room to the top wire , not sure how the salt water on the canvas , wire rigging and wooden hull's affected the signal , Mal might be able to advise on that ? G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:13 PM To: Subject: LF: MF propagation... > Jan, MF, > > Am 16.06.2012 22:23, schrieb pa3abk: >> >> >> FYI I have H24 solid CW QSO with g3xiz mostly S-7/8 about same distance >> both using about 100W. > > I can hear G3XIZ very well on the Delft web sdr. It looks to me like the > ground wave reaches much much wider above sea water. The effect seems to > be extreme on MF, even more than on LF or VLF. Is this possible, i mean > can you confirm it? > Oh, that would explain why all the vessels used 500 kHz for such a long > time :-) > > That would explain why you can hear G3XIZ H24, since you are much closer > to the sea than me. > > Here on the land the situation looks to be quite different during the > daytime... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B0C6038000092; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skiq8-0003el-NP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:34:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skiq8-0003eb-AW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:34:56 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skiq6-0000YF-ER for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:34:55 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5TLYrVn019256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:34:53 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5TLYrid013856 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:34:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEE1F0B.6060703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:32:59 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <5DCDBF0ADD564CB1947F77646CFA5ECE@AGB> In-Reply-To: <5DCDBF0ADD564CB1947F77646CFA5ECE@AGB> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: G.., Am 29.06.2012 23:16, schrieb Graham: > Data sheet , cannot read, http://translate.google.de/?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&text=&file= [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040102070807010702060605" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436366816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fee1fa907bb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040102070807010702060605 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G.., Am 29.06.2012 23:16, schrieb Graham: > Data sheet , cannot read, http://translate.google.de/?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&text=&file= 73 --------------040102070807010702060605 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TLYrVn019256 G..,

Am 29.06.2012 23:16, schrieb Graham:
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--------------040102070807010702060605-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CAE3438000099; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkLRd-0008JA-UH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:36:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkLRd-0008J1-4v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:36:05 +0100 Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkLRb-0005wv-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:36:04 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 20:36:02 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.245] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 20:36:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 20:36:02 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 107458.88849.bm@omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 46539 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2012 20:36:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340915762; bh=yMpKJtpuLNYYuwdCC5CRBo0Hr//LNjV+ZUqhvQ1OqIM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Cj+/bGX00T8VZDdepkE1tA0zmcaiKocLEAs4Y99tubzwgjUhm8u4DkFTu2LlONQb+x+5kAy7AwUl0kzDdn5FEvrVQRFtGtunA6D6DCnFbNkP00clyC9PC9RPYhW2hvlrTizcyB2e2Sa+poBfRJ4Gr9iqRaPHo1J8RGYsnxtasY8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Bsi8wReRZY11fuyi04TOvniBQkM0czH30U+4C+mGMB0n9C7Jczl6EQW8vldRPde988b3idrCLkqWcuyRQOJegpGXUPMQFXdcg6yIlCvS6G7zyeprPPLS/CM819vW/D0e06arCOvMJuKlAU6r02Z6radG0i4d/AlCrrn/b0DG6Cg=; X-YMail-OSG: 0NMH558VM1ncE.tsaQ_4GKxfxhRVkDlxfN71LCWuKQ7FXpD xGMO4.uSeX3narZJNhlweJQ2S9ligVPXMoyMiJxz0Jd4jfY0vLNr2ORd9G6a un11PmcoL30_hmzHHz35VekS5I280MF75YyBK7WWJtm8aTnuoY.dE24f7sWL LPsrm3T8rwc.r29r7J5ldEdsjB9gTEdQAx3v51UXalmGPkpH_xGfkUcMEz_b _tJFMT0NrdFZTAHlVKDl2JJ1G8F5.u5tHi4.k3zC8Yy6PtO0VcIkOTRQ0s33 UxxeMbijDAykeO4CAXamdq50g4E_XPBD3RsKkiOfqrJIbR4jf7.WqOU3WOb6 _jGV5apEnn5XnJhL6TiHevylkGAvH2UmY88WSOFUzaVfZiL.xifZYHp0b3jx kA5EZ6c34nFZsJ3ZVDHqup48quNQ7rgRD9uZ7ovmpI8GqswFo8VsTR8m1 Received: from [86.163.214.230] by web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:36:01 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <000901cd5561$92ff83a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <233C8A8FA9234F7BAA7D8A1505198AA4@AGB> Message-ID: <1340915761.45919.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:36:01 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <233C8A8FA9234F7BAA7D8A1505198AA4@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK Mal Thanks for the advice. The GW3UEP was the answer to the Unobtainium issue. Every bit could be obtained from Maplin. Not semi professional Amateur with component access through the "Company", you can see that in the LF HB. It would be nice just to take a High power design that is "Surefire" build it and have it on the air with out a process of tweaking and tuning and bits of FET ricocheting round the shack before you finally tame it. I think I am almost there doing it empirically. That's what I am hoping with Stefans design but the ferrite "Black magic"...... + Oh and your big sig in Moscow is more a function of your big antenna..... yes?......... :o) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 4d97240a623a26620214cd27feaa9f71 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-334906276-1340915761=:45919" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461439776:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d290.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4fecc09374de X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-334906276-1340915761=:45919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Mal=0A=A0=0AThanks for the advice. The GW3UEP was the answer to the Unob= tainium issue. Every bit could be obtained from Maplin. Not semi profession= al Amateur with component access through the "Company", you can see that in= the LF HB. It would be nice just to take a High power=A0design that is "Su= refire" build it and have it on the air with out a process of tweaking and = tuning and bits of FET ricocheting round the shack before you finally tame = it. I think I am almost there doing it empirically.=0AThat's what I am hopi= ng with Stefans design but the=A0ferrite "Black magic"...... +=0AOh and you= r big sig=A0in Moscow is more a function of your big antenna..... yes?.....= .... :o)=A0=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_______________________= _________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 20:20=0ASubject: Re: LF: Email= ing: malk 107=0A =0A=0A =0ABit=A0 of=A0 Lemon Pledge=A0 ?=0A =0AFrom: mal = hamilton =0ASent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:09 PM =0ATo: rsgb =0ASubject:= LF: Emailing: malk 107 =0A =0APete es co =0AThe 500 Khz rig that I built i= n a=A0 couple of hours. Components from =0Athe junk box. The FET driver in = this case was a complimentary pair of =0Atransistors. =0AClass E single end= ed one FET. =0AAt the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as = an exciter, a =0Acouple of diodes to SQ the sinewave. =0AThe tank cct induc= tor is an old WW2 ceramic=A0ex TU7B tuning unit. =0AI=A0put a good signal i= nto the USA es Canada es Moscow with =0Athis=A0transmitter on CW. =0A=0A73= de mal/g3kev ---1613889061-334906276-1340915761=:45919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK Mal
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Thanks for the advice. The GW3UEP = was the answer to the Unobtainium issue. Every bit could be obtained from M= aplin. Not semi professional Amateur with component access through the "Com= pany", you can see that in the LF HB. It would be nice just to take a High = power design that is "Surefire" build it and have it on the air with o= ut a process of tweaking and tu= ning and bits of FET ricocheting round the shack before you finally tame it= . I think I am almost there doing it empirica= lly.
Tha= t's what I am hoping with Ste= fans design but the ferrite "Black magic"...... +
Oh and your big sig in Moscow is more a func= tion of your big antenna..... yes?......... :o) 

= 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: Graham <g8fzk@= g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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The 500 Khz ri= g that I built in a  couple of hours. Components from =0Athe junk box.= The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of =0Atransistors.=0A
Class E single ended one FET.
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At the start I used a= xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an exciter, a =0Acouple of diodes to= SQ the sinewave.
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The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic&= nbsp;ex TU7B tuning unit.
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---1613889061-334906276-1340915761=:45919-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B562338000084; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Satd4-00013A-0E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:04:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Satd3-000131-Iy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:04:49 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Satd1-0006uc-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:04:48 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q52J4knS024149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:04:46 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q52J4k5T020071 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:04:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA6376.4030702@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:03:18 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q52J4knS024149 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Ulrich, Very nice to meet you here! I already saw you on the pskmap in the web. Have you been catched by the NL LF amateurs? :-) Some weeks i reported about our email contacts due to my CW beacon on 137 kHz. You reported that you saw a hit in the DX cluster about the CW beacon. I would be glad if it was the beacon that moved you to LF as a newcomer :-) Or did i misunderstand something? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:422663968:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fca63fd289a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Ulrich, Very nice to meet you here! I already saw you on the pskmap in the web.=20 Have you been catched by the NL LF amateurs? :-) Some weeks i reported=20 about our email contacts due to my CW beacon on 137 kHz. You reported=20 that you saw a hit in the DX cluster about the CW beacon. I would be glad if it was the beacon that moved you to LF as a newcomer=20 :-) Or did i misunderstand something? Vy 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Tnx for infos Am 02.06.2012 19:55, schrieb PA7EY: > Stefan, > > According to the screenshot, it should be rts or dtr. Didn't try myself= yet. > > As far as I know 1.4.1 is still the most recent one. Not sure about > cpu, but on my several years old P4 2.8 GHz its no problem at all, cpu > about 30%. > > 73, Ulrich > > 2012/6/2 Stefan Sch=E4fer: > =20 >> PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX = line >> (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >> =20 >>> G.., LF, >>> >>> What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? >>> What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> =20 >> >> =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DE4EF38000094; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiBpF-0008Jb-AA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:55:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiBpE-0008JJ-Ui for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:55:32 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiBpD-0002nH-F0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:55:31 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5MLtUdZ017413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:30 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5MLtUtv026506 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:30 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE4E966.6060703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:53:42 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alex, I just started the TX. Can you transmit as well? Looking forward to see some traces, hopefully i'm coming through... 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 73624bb08a20c2e0895fd0d9fb8136a4 Subject: LF: RN3AUS grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443065280:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fe4ea0d1976 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Alex, I just started the TX. Can you transmit as well? Looking forward to see some traces, hopefully i'm coming through... 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D552638000091; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SanMT-0006f4-BN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:23:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SanMS-0006ev-N7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:23:16 +0100 Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SanMQ-0005Kj-F3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:23:15 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.233] by nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 12:23:13 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.237] by tm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 12:23:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 12:23:13 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 257918.33503.bm@omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28641 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2012 12:23:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338639793; bh=2SLVrHThKOiIksQwjb/d34V4HKHib4efiYJxutVuc0k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gRtWOXdLG1AY6L9aJ4NDnxbC4MBM4+otEL1zTA8fWN6GFNUTcfW7P9fnMjGBcyGaxqilN2R6RwGhw3YmFpaEYRT4Qi79WEF/ml6EOK4aMqiCvGOJz/mHOfa2AzMW5FkeFHNgg0JvvrHfsIH6NNxeS2vR2ON5fiezsSoxt9M5yag= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m2rAIfjkaABYeHIvyR4+YRTrjS+FwTpCxmSkL8XZFvtozhYPfeJjAMOnA4Ybh9WZeb9wF12m7GcPBa08/UkmjZJFSIwsxtChFz1sf4Jh3+G3MqNVI9TTlwE/h9n35HWYIwjMovETtYCDbTLm7JbWTZClQTtai2x1pnQl2bw5cQ0=; X-YMail-OSG: k.esWkMVM1lCAwr7QiqKmz55a0IlAnaZHIqsmSbVcNeX9zW wTKSQM7Tl3x4zq7ethOGievZRKJtQIVFAqva861IgCl0Jt2zfdj8Y99NZQSB q141SnIJMtiKdtl9jEWJ1qsLxW6YBtyt.61pRuZMNSMaXuw9eArmMpCtvBXI yvcLXIyXdRm3rIAC_9ihBTOkcJGZb7WbWd97mFUAVdCZSjItfr_lNYN1kP9x nZyR1xgwHcEtFsCVWN_X4Zi5EOOLj59xhjXz1_ua2iB8FtRQbj4oSiuUgxJf 2R5sIv6ipep7IXU0waTwz3LT7E2YPEWP62j7nJZzlRYO.i5eiDK.4W0q0CpS N3okwpuYjtcVbZWbItdmcJ4SNZXysjoL1qyFbgGBjI0rfJCAeVkaATCzVJbg 6QNS.NIbsm88knd6kQhHTx7z.i6yxNDaeO.3Hh.4OQLCzaFyZAg-- Received: from [86.164.62.42] by web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:23:12 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FC9F97F.6060806@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1338639792.50104.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:23:12 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FC9F97F.6060806@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alberto Opera to answer your question, but have issues here at the moment Re: 501.59kc/s RX opera bcn [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 195b836cb7437e99aa05107459888659 Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-1246927975-1338639792=:50104" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493951744:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m285.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fca05fa0bc8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-1246927975-1338639792=:50104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AHi Alberto=0A=0AOpera to answer your question, but have issues here a= t the moment=0A=0ARe: 501.59kc/s RX opera bcn =0A=0AThanks Gary and PA0A , = Graham and PA3ABK=0A=0AMy TX PC has just =0Acrashed... must be the exciteme= nt... saw your reports many=0Athanks and also =0APA0A. OK back up again now= .=0A=0ADon't know why but pwr roport wrong should =0Aread 10watts at tx out= put terminals.=0Ainto the antenna via tuned transformer =0Aair cored... ant= LW up abt 35ft feet x=0A128feet long.=0ARig a GW3UEP using =0Aold PMR RX e= xtals on fundamental freq div 32 PSU 12volts will=0Arun 40watts wid =0A24vo= lts.... hmmmmmm crashed again has to be RF getting in some=0Ahow that may = =0Apreclude higher power ..... doh!!...:-(.... don't get this on =0ACW=0Ahe= e!!=0A=0AThink we are off the air for a bit now will QSP if I do it =0Aagai= n on the this=0AQRG. May pop up once or twice while testing this PC for =0A= RFI.=0A=0Avy 73 petefmt=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Albert = =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 12:31= =0ASubject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A =0A=0AHello Pete,= =0A=0AIs ur beacon Opera, WSPR or QRS ????=0A=0A73, Albert PA0A ---357169082-1246927975-1338639792=:50104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H= i Alberto
 
Opera to answer your question, but have issues here at the moment
&nbs= p;
Re: 501.59kc/s RX opera bcn <= /div>
=0A
Thanks Gary and PA0A , Gra= ham and PA3ABK

My TX PC has just =0Acrashed... must be the excitemen= t... saw your reports many
thanks and also =0APA0A. OK back up again now= .

Don't know why but pwr roport wrong should =0Aread 10watts at tx o= utput terminals.
into the antenna via tuned transformer =0Aair cored... = ant LW up abt 35ft feet x
128feet long.
Rig a GW3UEP using =0Aold PMR= RX extals on fundamental freq div 32 PSU 12volts will
run 40watts wid = =0A24volts.... hmmmmmm crashed again has to be RF getting in some
how th= at may =0Apreclude higher power ..... doh!!...:-(.... don't get this on =0A= CW
hee!!

Think we are off the air for a bit now will QSP if I do = it =0Aagain on the this
QRG. May pop up once or twice while testing this= PC for =0ARFI.

vy 73 petefmt


 
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Al= bert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
T= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 12:31
Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s US= B RX dial

=0A =0A =0A = =0A
=0A Hello Pete,
=0A
=0A Is ur beacon Op= era, WSPR or QRS ????
=0A
=0A 73, Albert PA0A
=0A=
=0A=0A


---357169082-1246927975-1338639792=:50104-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2656E3800008D; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeY5W-0000rj-Of for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:53:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeY5W-0000ra-1R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:53:18 +0100 Received: from nm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.193]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeY5T-0000ha-SM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:53:16 +0100 Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2012 20:53:14 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.203] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2012 20:53:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2012 20:53:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 130227.72820.bm@omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 3265 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2012 20:53:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=UwOrrEnHizN972WbLJ6RywAbcJcNNBRSkudZs5J2VRuaD0n1cVe4hADW7qF+YJxUOmbrSCvkjUSQucrcObmCB7MaF9xqPzrl3l+WMu0rw0unniJkKglcnvaKJaoRtjyIXtjrbyt7JmwuvWz+TGwQsseF1GjWPNw50Xr11lPTAro= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1339534393; bh=6aXne4/UdyR+Zez5ar2EwO1rZcO/h8Tm0iwhcsU7p+A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=VKUdXtAp6l72r9z7i+9iv+tPk37N9UAUJApWzhlx67ybHVvaTN4ssEzdIyYSW4iDCB+qRheI1JBAaBqmTgPgiTnjhj/Aj7HnOwD222fOBk9/Fv/6uDHKzv5ym4m0uIfmp7N5LqcmnQcAg6+7n4kukNsooZvc6H4fHQTaKsa72hs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 9JxX324VM1lDhFyU10YXxCCt3sohexYfghKEWcrXB.bzyxM 1KzGL7lctaMBirihLWet1zWR9BSAO8Bk6MA_6PPCsmyFgkM2PhBjVN6fkWGe JFBqeKXQEB7qEjnM5mhBR4QBOszmJzu26BxQQmSwEe2pMDjm5U8E79ZBOPan _u45DZYMIkqwS7RAUU5OOd9BZTL4HOsJl5dgjxJ_eu9qN871qfYF_5RyB8Xj 4h_KBpZheR5zrx.UFr3BOLJKLfeG.9bz_Ba2L5qf9CGHM2v3kJRMEIQtygR. vXYh9R5hLey8P_JOxtD4ykMHj6cURxw_I2gnrhuxp8mucQ_ICCpk1_VBYP3c UPfGvhDXBxt9In_GYhE6P7eiqaNNNmNlLPqk3caXvom34xNKYSUiU_td6Nqc 9qyf9lNVSBDhI3KLg6e1WSjMcbaGzCms- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- Received: from lindavideo (ken.h.wright@86.173.47.194 with login) by smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2012 20:53:13 +0000 GMT From: "Ken" To: References: <007d01cd48cf$877ae220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:53:10 +0100 Message-ID: <7DA6527BE817490B946988CA7436BA22@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <007d01cd48cf$877ae220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac1Iz7oG7JDMdNkfSBqPh/Iakk/4xAADW4Jw X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mal I am going away for a few days, I will contact you on my return regarding the valve tx. 73s [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.146.183.193 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 29f1b43ee9e13e220716185d38bfb88c Subject: LF: RE: TECH DISCUSSION Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD48E5.C31275D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487104320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d013.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fd7ac916646 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD48E5.C31275D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mal I am going away for a few days, I will contact you on my return regarding the valve tx. 73s Ken M0KHW _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 12 June 2012 20:14 To: rsgb Subject: LF: TECH DISCUSSION LF/M All the technical discussions going on at present about amplifiers relevant to LF/MF is on the Blacksheep reflector. Other information regarding communications and propagation likewise. It would appear those dedicated to the lower frequencies prefer this reflector. It would appear only those interested in archieving their files and of little interest to others and picture uploads favour Yahoo. To keep abreast with realtime lower frequency activities then only Blacksheep seems to be the preferred reflector. Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD48E5.C31275D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mal

I am going away for a few days, I = will contact you on my return  regarding the valve = tx.

 

73s

 

Ken

 

M0KHW

 

From: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 12 June 2012 = 20:14
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: TECH = DISCUSSION

 

LF/M

All the technical discussions going on at present = about amplifiers relevant to LF/MF is on the Blacksheep reflector. Other = information regarding communications and propagation likewise. It would appear those = dedicated to the lower frequencies prefer this = reflector.

It would appear only those interested in archieving = their files and of little interest to others and picture uploads favour Yahoo. =

To keep abreast with realtime lower frequency = activities then only Blacksheep seems to be the preferred = reflector.

Mal/G3KEV

 

------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD48E5.C31275D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9674538000093; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbFFe-0004Cm-Ux for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:10:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbFFe-0004Cd-G7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:10:06 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbFFc-00035Z-Mh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:10:05 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.16.140]) by mwinf5d49 with ME id HuA01j00B31K0Qa03uA0cw; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:10:02 +0200 Message-ID: <8208EBBB3DEF446C8B540F5BEBB38570@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 19:09:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-0, 03/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ''professional amateurs''. Ah .... tricky that one ! G.. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 34d483c57c7a6bf26c25db3c8765d5fc Subject: Re: LF: Fence sitter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CB_01CD41BC.780F7B30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:447822912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fcba8ac48ac X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CB_01CD41BC.780F7B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ''professional amateurs''. Ah .... tricky that one ! G.. From: Tony=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:00 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Fence sitter I will put my hand up and admit that I'm one of those members that = doesn't post very often. To make matters worse, I don't transmit and only receive LF on a very = irregular basis. The reason I joined the black sheep reflector was to get technical = information to enable me to eventually build an LF system, and that is = the reason I'm still here. On many days the reflector is full of reception reports which are of no = interest to me at all, also requests for skeds which again are of no = interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on 10m & 6m which I = can easily see for myself on any cluster. All these unwanted (for me) posts are easily marked as "read" in my = email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy if all post were = duplicated over two different reflectors. So I shall continue to sit on the fence and see which reflector attracts = the technical posters, including "underground" earth mode results, and = use that one and cancel the other. I have to say that the last few days have reminded me of a girls school, = all bitching, tantrums and tears. Not really what you would expect from = grown up professional amateurs. Tony, EI8JK. ------=_NextPart_000_01CB_01CD41BC.780F7B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
''professional amateurs''.
 
Ah .... tricky that one  !
 
G..

From: Tony
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:00 PM
Subject: LF: Fence sitter

I will put my hand up and admit that = I'm one of=20 those members that doesn't post very often.
To make matters worse, I don't = transmit and=20 only receive LF on a very irregular basis.
 
The reason I joined the black sheep = reflector was=20 to get technical information to enable me to eventually build an LF = system, and=20 that is the reason I'm still here.
On many days the reflector is full of = reception=20 reports which are of no interest to me at all, also requests for skeds = which=20 again are of no interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on = 10m &=20 6m which I can easily see for myself on any cluster.
All these unwanted (for me) posts are = easily marked=20 as "read" in my email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy = if all=20 post were duplicated over two different reflectors.
 
So I shall continue to sit on the fence = and see=20 which reflector attracts the technical posters, including "underground" = earth=20 mode results, and use that one and cancel the other.
 
I have to say that the last few days = have reminded=20 me of a girls school, all bitching, tantrums and tears. Not really what = you=20 would expect from grown up professional amateurs.
 
Tony, EI8JK.
------=_NextPart_000_01CB_01CD41BC.780F7B30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 975AD3800009A; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shpo6-0002QC-1Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:24:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shpo5-0002Q0-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:24:53 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shpo3-00050m-Kd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:24:52 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5LMOoeh011132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:24:51 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5LMOoiE008989 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:24:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE39EC7.8060104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:23:03 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Gary, Thank you very much for the service. This will surely help to get some better understanding about local MF propagation. 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b8b011f938af8abc4b241335cabd0691 Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber update. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010800090503010103000703" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:432560992:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174fe39f5d4a41 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010800090503010103000703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary, Thank you very much for the service. This will surely help to get some better understanding about local MF propagation. 73, Stefan Am 21.06.2012 20:35, schrieb Gary G4WGT: > Hi All, > > As a temporary stop-gap I have changed the I.F. Xtal in my SoftRock > 500 kHz receiver so I can use the I.F. plus & minus frequencies. > ie. 501 kHz to 509 kHz & 472 kHz to 479 kHz. It may require some > frequency correction. > > The result can be seen on my grabber at :- > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. --------------010800090503010103000703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary,

Thank you very much for the service. This will surely help to get some better understanding about local MF propagation.

73, Stefan

Am 21.06.2012 20:35, schrieb Gary G4WGT:
Hi All,
 
As a temporary stop-gap I have changed the I.F. Xtal in my SoftRock 500 kHz receiver so I can use the I.F. plus & minus frequencies.
ie. 501 kHz to 509 kHz & 472 kHz to 479 kHz. It may require some frequency correction.
 
The result can be seen on my grabber at :-
 
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html
 
73,
 
Gary - G4WGT.
--------------010800090503010103000703-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7E6593800009D; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5ry-00067Q-CA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:21:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5ry-00067H-0f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:21:50 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh5rw-0006TB-6R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:21:48 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5JLLk85003285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:21:47 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5JLLkdE027457 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:21:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:20:02 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: just in case someone wants... I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 61f253ce45236799bfc06b43f9779702 Subject: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446281664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054fe0eda35fa8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none just in case someone wants... I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 42D7C380000B2; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sccte-0001sS-38 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:37:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scctd-0001sJ-HS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:37:05 +0100 Received: from smtp3web.tin.it ([212.216.176.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scctb-0001wm-Cg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:37:04 +0100 Received: from fep-mail-web-l2b.virgilio.net (212.48.20.162) by smtp3web.tin.it (8.6.023.02) id 4ECA5B5302E5E569 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:37:01 +0200 Message-ID: <137c7299a54.marcocadeddu@tin.it> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:37:01 +0200 (CEST) From: "marcocadeddu@tin.it" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 81.201.7.62 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Ben, Stefan and LF, also here in Italy no news... but of course our administration has more important tasks.. It could be a nice idea rise money from hams and save the balance! 73 Marco eiceses ---- Messaggio originale---- Da: 7-giu-2012 2.27 PM A: Ogg: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.216.176.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (marcocadeddu[at]tin.it) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 027eb28428a0ed4e20e06b28d08cfc7b Subject: R: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:413562400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4fd0aecd1997 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Ben, Stefan and LF, also here in Italy no news... but of course=20 our administration has more important tasks.. It could be a nice idea=20 rise money from hams and save the balance! 73 Marco eiceses ---- Messaggio originale---- Da: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de Data:=20 7-giu-2012 2.27 PM A: Ogg: Re: LF:=20 VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Hi Ben, I do not intend to run so much power. I will=20 rather build a small PA and=20 a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q=20 and a braoder bandwidth and so=20 i will not need to adjust the resonance=20 when making QSY within the band,=20 hopefully. That makes things easier. On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber,=20 maybe=20 even no computer. However Speclab would be fine to get an=20 overview of=20 the band activity and offers nice filter and noise=20 reduction tools... I'm really excited how the band will be populated.=20 It's not so far away=20 from 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio=20 antenna, e.g. a dipole for=20 80m, configured as a T antenna will work=20 reasonable if a suitable earth=20 is available. But what's the problem=20 in France? You have so much space for large=20 antennas, don't you? Or do=20 you live in Paris City? :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 07.06.2012 14:17,=20 schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the=20 reason for your KW ERP. > > My "reasonable" setup indicates me that /=20 triple/ that value could be=20 > necessary... > > CU there > > Ben > > > > Message du 07/06/12 14:12 > > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer" > >=20 A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Copie =C3=A0 : > > Objet : Re:=20 LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > > > I only heared some rumours about=20 the permission starting > January, 1st, > > 2013, here in DL.=20 Also i heard rumours that a permit is given > out on the > >=20 Ham Radio 2012 > (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham- en/index.php) > > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is=20 more realistic. > > > > Time to build a suitable loading coil=20 for MF. I will need about > 240 uH > > only... > > > >=20 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb=20 manginbenoit.pro: > > > Are there other EU countries (apart from=20 the British Isles) > > > granting MF access to the amateur service=20 so fast ? > > > > > > We in France still did not hear even the=20 smallest whisper from > our > > > tutelage administration. Or=20 maybe am I not well informed. > > > > > > 73 > > > > >=20 > Ben > > > >=20 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 960EF38000099; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfaZG-0003ml-TB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:44:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfaZG-0003mc-Gp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:44:18 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfaZE-0007Rs-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:44:17 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiYNAD5z209cHnO5/2dsb2JhbABFgm4IAQGcegOULwOBLHgQghMBEwEBA0kCIQsCCAIBBgECGzkBBBoGJB0BAgIBAYU4BwGCIxu6BowLNIUIA4gPhTSXXoJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,418,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="394929492" Received: from host-92-30-115-185.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.115.185]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 18:44:15 +0100 Message-ID: <008301cd4b1e$78f70890$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:44:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Now CQ 136.5 es 502 CW anyone about ?? also QSX 472 de mal/g3kev Now CQ 136.5 es 502 CW anyone about ?? [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: LF: 137 ES 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD4B1E.78A14770" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:202644320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4fdb74ad5579 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD4B1E.78A14770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now CQ 136.5 es 502 CW anyone about ?? also QSX 472=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD4B1E.78A14770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now CQ 136.5 es 502 CW anyone about = ??
also QSX 472
 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD4B1E.78A14770-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 23D7C3800008A; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHKG-0005T9-8W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:23:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHKF-0005T0-JX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:22:59 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com ([209.85.212.175]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbHKD-0003Wf-Dc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:22:58 +0100 Received: by wibhn6 with SMTP id hn6so1865018wib.10 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:22:56 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=dK554R+HZ7vh1bDpYJmWFnN4XcQ5Bmeod+XHnLauO3M=; b=Yh7oFFKi6rGf41mpOYoZ4R5YjFAKs7/6hMUtmjeEYwNsABBbwCAsWj40HNccD3++Br hQUBkX3Yh5WWdzIFY9bLBdwWLayd2jOR8vYpV0LRR5brKDGUgpe07M3i/IMZ0wiXk6V0 IbeOHMwptEr2z63CMM7PcoHkb0wRG+gSG/bq+Gt7tUSxm6W+ZIf5FtMon/2TatudLza1 33EDqfVDGBMXLB2qtr2omSuw3g213bfp7KIOSSXaI8Jb7MR69i7LZdOU4f2zZDUQ6Ej+ 4S+7SGSMkrFfTPvQ79jxC5jVqJM1avjGDO1vFDTlWdFsdhlMx4Xv5Nmvn8Rm0WIPMz8z yZKw== Received: by 10.216.194.137 with SMTP id m9mr9093875wen.66.1338754976088; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc6-cmbg17-2-0-cust624.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com. [86.30.58.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m20sm15176844wie.6.2012.06.03.13.22.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:22:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <20120603.125020.1661.559237@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> From: Roger Lapthorn In-Reply-To: <20120603.125020.1661.559237@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> Message-Id: <9C298013-8A12-4BA2-AE19-ED9784DEB482@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 21:22:32 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9B206) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: HI Bob, You can use your normal email to join a Yahoo group. Yahoo then gives you options how you want to receive messages e.g. as normal emails, just read posts on the web or get daily digests of posts that day. You can keep personal details well hidden should you so wish. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.175 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e7c02b6e85723bae4746298f7f529717 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7D735FF9-7443-403E-878B-F719FCDBE0B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481066848:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m019.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fcbc7e1786e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-7D735FF9-7443-403E-878B-F719FCDBE0B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii HI Bob, You can use your normal email to join a Yahoo group. Yahoo then gives you op= tions how you want to receive messages e.g. as normal emails, just read post= s on the web or get daily digests of posts that day. You can keep personal d= etails well hidden should you so wish.=20 In about 15 years of Yahoo group membership of around 15 different groups on= a wide range of subjects it has worked flawlessly with no spam and no secur= ity issues. =20 Honestly I am quite surprised by all the fuss about the move: it just works w= ell in my experience. My recommendation is join the new group and enjoy all i= t has to offer. Give it a week or so and all the posts will return to on-top= ic LF related subjects.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 3 Jun 2012, at 20:49, riese-k3djc@juno.com wrote: > Alright > I signed up and created a yahoo account first thing I had to do was create= an E mail address > and then fill out my user information,, I believe the user info is set to s= tay hidden > so at this point,, what is next,, how do I sign up for the LF reflector/gr= oup > I really dont like doing this ,, but what the heck > when I find the new reflector will it ask how to bundle my traffic and wil= l that only be accessible to me > after I sign on for the Yahooie e mail or can I have that sent to my Juno a= ccount and not need to sign > on to the yahoo account > =20 > Bob K3DJC > =20 > On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0100 Roger Lapthorn = writes: > Mal (et al), >=20 > Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on modera= tion.=20 >=20 > It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly offensi= ve, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently off-topic then th= e moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or even suspend= membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are respectful of ot= hers and post on-topic without getting personal and offensive.=20 >=20 > Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group where most= seem perfectly happy.=20 >=20 > 73s > Roger G3XBM >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- >=20 > On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" wrote: >=20 >> How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM >> G3KEV >> =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tony >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status >>=20 >> Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) >> =20 >> =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM >> Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE >> =20 >> >> Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. >> >> =20 >> =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: g3zjo >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status >>=20 >> On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote: >>>=20 >>> Well John >>> When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a m= ove to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose opinions= and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging or democrati= c. >>> A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group b= ut not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. >>>=20 >> Come on Mal >>=20 >> I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to lies.= >>=20 >> Eddie >> =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-7D735FF9-7443-403E-878B-F719FCDBE0B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
HI Bob,

You can use your normal email to join a Yahoo group. Yahoo t= hen gives you options how you want to receive messages e.g. as normal emails= , just read posts on the web or get daily digests of posts that day.  <= span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(2= 6, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.= 230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Yo= u can keep personal details well hidden should you so wish. 

In about 15 years of Yahoo group membership of around 1= 5 different groups on a wide range of subjects it has worked flawlessly with= no spam and no security issues.  

Honestly I a= m quite surprised by all the fuss about the move: it just works well in my e= xperience. My recommendation is join the new group and enjoy all it has t= o offer. Give it a week or so and all the posts will return to on-topic LF r= elated subjects. 

73s
Roger G= 3XBM

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 3 Jun 2012, at 2= 0:49, riese-k3djc@juno.com wrote= :

Alright
I signed up and created a yahoo account first thing I had to do was cre= ate=20 an E mail address
and then fill out my user information,, I believe the user info is set t= o=20 stay hidden
so at this point,, what is next,, how do I sign up for the LF=20 reflector/group
I really dont like doing this ,, but what the heck
when I find the new reflector will it ask how to bundle=20 my traffic and will that only be accessible to me
after I sign on for the Yahooie e mail or can I have that sent to my Ju= no=20 account and not need to sign
on to the yahoo account
 
Bob K3DJC
 
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0100 Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=20 writes:
Mal (et al),

Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on=20= moderation. 

It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly=20 offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently off-topi= c=20 then the moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or eve= n=20 suspend membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are respect= ful=20 of others and post on-topic without getting personal and=20 offensive. 

Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group where= =20 most seem perfectly happy. 

73s
Roger G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation f= rom=20 G3XBM
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Tony
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:5= 6=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.:=20= Reflector status

Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Roger Lapthorn
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9= :51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Y= ahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 g3zjo
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4= :42=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.= :=20 Reflector status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting so= me time=20 back indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to b= an=20 persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his,=20=  this is hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth op= eration=20 of any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or=20 BANNING.

=
Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but= =20 please don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
 
= --Apple-Mail-7D735FF9-7443-403E-878B-F719FCDBE0B3-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6E94838000089; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkztJ-0007D3-J0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:47:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkztJ-0007Cu-6D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:47:21 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkztG-0006Pa-Sy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:47:20 +0100 Received: from W1KW (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.14.177]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LjPsy-1S9jCP2CtM-00bYaX; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:47:17 +0200 Message-ID: <0384C214D0514315B65DAD68864962C1@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW" To: References: <008501cd56d5$f5c084b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:47:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:4yw67728461fr92RBTJBCzKqI/OhhsxKrXfgsWxRjsd Ar4LrMmtwxch9EbFsWU1H0eBDCv08u5t163JyX6remHL0M2YyZ kam4yPOmek1TJyOGeStA2mzSNSNN/8LMuVNiKA8+O1bItFLRmj Hbnnuz8cnSbqBpndteTyrz1Uxd2k+rUJxBnLmZPB4fphd2SNOd JUEQUEanxZSHsIol3bED7HI3cmEoeJx+X3Y1fxkNcZp9xFyTFd RVWzJ8limu6BeA123LTtSSl3ok9Ivf9iDBFMe07rAQV7S88Zcp kN9/ndL/4KYShMw0iZqW2AfYnObQusXIHiXmNT5e06LyvgUPw= = X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX 502. 73 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 61577e2058c0d3bf1737d7de6ed6eb16 Subject: LF: Re: test 476.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD56E8.634E4E10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436649216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4fef1fbd6ad1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD56E8.634E4E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX 502. 73 Geri, DK8KW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: LF: test 476.5 Stn tst on 476.5 599=20 qsx 502=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD56E8.634E4E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal,
 
I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX=20 502.
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 5:35=20 PM
Subject: LF: test 476.5

Stn tst on 476.5 599
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD56E8.634E4E10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9FB1A38000092; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 04:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkspD-0005Fl-CC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:14:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkspC-0005Fa-Co for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:14:38 +0100 Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.192]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkspA-0004fv-Ng for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:14:37 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.52] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 08:14:35 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 08:14:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 08:14:34 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=btopenworld.com Result=Signature OK X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 977860.15251.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 37719 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2012 08:14:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Xxfz6g339JLSk7cTRgeIPl6bc7YaSh/3cz38lC6qEhUFkPwqHMM6rYb4phjMuhE+kEuPARD7VSlCnszl9D8vk4oIVb3+STTgrM0k0ks8YmtfQepljMCyP6M6zXNDFH0NzzvPt7wKbbeTaN8amOjCRgSZvsjDMHr8FjpltQgpt50= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1341044074; bh=E0+I5ZAoa+OlJkAMPY+B6gSfzYFGHT5BEBi1klpBe44=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ulKj2t4Eqs2AL9X42MKRuFW11c1xWna7ILt3qgmbpbRivVxSn66OKZ8J4HXtkJB/jVc2+rI35YIHpRPRPBna3j+2+QYVRIJCQMRPYax/8zdDX680tSUybBnp09SlErN8uXchWzEchzn5nua+3xwdDixavsG6W/qnm6giLJ4tmuU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: WdmADMIVM1lNv1Ny88Oe.DkONBBY0m7nT5Oph.0DQX1_Pw2 WmsJT1Wn8YtubZg1C3JVxN2VEtWw5OB7iEiNBh8M7M0cZJCAT3WWtan92L3_ PeScUd7Phvb_EDcJGMx9bBlcBVQ22tSYDhw3D4uxS5EWTf4DnRetKMF7g138 iG_iOcUD4cdpKzYbwgJ3hXyEhtRMNLobDyEaWWHZh3SjAqqB.Ay2vlPylevf xWlkv04UoZg3FUfkWY826n1GTonFXIyBysRkQfNG8oaf69DUmkUKNHQQKOJX NhF3Z4cKDDYuuJJ1xZQQi.04Qk_M50uZFCBJsiItk0Qi8j_xj0RtQS0wddCC CjcfHmrl48S.1iIKshGADjLtQc3PJ6A8xDYFQ4B2HVY2R_AMAqpqBOdMpWJ5 9672LVplMdUtj3WutLdXoCAR8BcybbNPS X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.185.202.35 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 08:14:34 +0000 GMT Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <0F87F4C0AE524B1E9EA631C81D579573@gnat> <4FEE3A73.1090602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEE3A73.1090602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:14:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Stefan, LF Group, The mechanical filter consists of an array of metal disks or rods that are mechanically resonant near the centre frequency of the filter. In order to convert the electrical input and output to/from mechanical vibration, there are transducers at the input and output, sometimes piezo-electric, but in this case probably magnetostrictive. These are a coil of wire wound around magnetic material which changes shape slightly depending on the magnetic flux. So electrically, the input and output of your filter are inductors - in order to get efficient transfer of signal power into the transducers and through the filter, they must be tuned to resonance, like any LC filter circuit. If they are not correctly tuned, little power from the mechanical resonators inside the filter will be coupled to the source and load, so the resonators will have very little damping, and the filter will have large peaks in the response, as you saw. Also, the insertion loss will be higher. The same type of behaviour with mis-matched loads occurs with almost any filter - LC, crystal, ceramic, cavity, etc. A similar effect occurs if one resonator is defective - in this case the mis-match occurs inside the filter. [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.192 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: LF: Re: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459325600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d302.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914feeb5c5627d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Stefan, LF Group, The mechanical filter consists of an array of metal disks or rods that are mechanically resonant near the centre frequency of the filter. In order to convert the electrical input and output to/from mechanical vibration, there are transducers at the input and output, sometimes piezo-electric, but in this case probably magnetostrictive. These are a coil of wire wound around magnetic material which changes shape slightly depending on the magnetic flux. So electrically, the input and output of your filter are inductors - in order to get efficient transfer of signal power into the transducers and through the filter, they must be tuned to resonance, like any LC filter circuit. If they are not correctly tuned, little power from the mechanical resonators inside the filter will be coupled to the source and load, so the resonators will have very little damping, and the filter will have large peaks in the response, as you saw. Also, the insertion loss will be higher. The same type of behaviour with mis-matched loads occurs with almost any filter - LC, crystal, ceramic, cavity, etc. A similar effect occurs if one resonator is defective - in this case the mis-match occurs inside the filter. You can probably use the input and output resonating capacitors to match your filter directly to 50R, using two capacitors in a series or shunt matching arrangement, like some have used for loop antennas. But buffer amlifiers might be needed to provide stable input and and output impedances for the filter, and provide some gain to compensate for the insertion loss. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B38C38000084; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd96Z-0003uG-2I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 01:00:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd96Y-0003u4-HB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 01:00:34 +0100 Received: from mta01.eastlink.ca ([24.224.136.30]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd96W-0001ll-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 01:00:33 +0100 Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-21.01 64bit (built Feb 16 2011)) with ESMTP id <0M5B00JQBPCUTTZ0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 21:00:30 -0300 (ADT) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=LMsdsOq9 c=1 sm=1 a=jxj8a989oEgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ZjIqTmGINkQKjhCx/60B3Q==:117 Received: from blk-89-225-185.eastlink.ca (HELO OfficePC) ([24.89.225.185]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 21:00:30 -0300 From: Vernon Matheson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CF13DA2999C95F-250-7AFD@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> <001701cd45c6$e3bfee60$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <8CF13DF5AA6BDA8-250-7CC1@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> <003501cd45cc$eadbca10$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <4FD289A2.8000400@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <004601cd45d1$2cc6a630$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-reply-to: <004601cd45d1$2cc6a630$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:00:30 +0000 Message-id: <000001cd45d2$e25e9330$a71bb990$@ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-index: Ac1F0buCWmsrjG+MRwa+6dgaVVYRJAAAKz1A Content-language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: GyY= A97q C2EZ C4Qq D347 EiVy FVym Fmnc GBLu GPO0 G+C2 HZwI JC3z JeRb LseN L8Us;1;cgBzAGcAYgBfAGwAZgBfAGcAcgBvAHUAcABAAGIAbABhAGMAawBzAGgAZQBlAHAALgBvAHIAZwA=;Sosha1_v1;7;{A4089F9B-ABBF-4597-A827-428A2912EE6A};dgBtAGEAdABoAEAAZQBhAHMAdABsAGkAbgBrAC4AYwBhAA==;Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:57:45 GMT;VgBFADEAVgBEAE0AIABnAHIAYQBiAGIAZQByACAAbwBuACAAMQAzADcALgAwADAAMAAgAG8AdgBlAHIAIABuAGkAZwBoAHQA x-cr-puzzleid: {A4089F9B-ABBF-4597-A827-428A2912EE6A} X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [24.224.136.30 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: c0d2c0a39c178a394b11875986897703 Subject: LF: VE1VDM grabber on 137.000 over night Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:255427920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fd292531a17 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AC7E03800008C; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sft8W-0006NR-Qz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:33:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sft8W-0006NI-4b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:33:56 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sft8U-00026I-LS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:33:55 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d08 with ME id P1Zt1j0044U6hVe031ZtVf; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:33:53 +0200 Message-ID: <7AA545D0B9B44457A27CDF46205D3600@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:33:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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This 'new' band is not very comfortable : ( [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1494fdc8b9068aa X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none So far 477 may be a good spot , beacons on 477 , but if the max mod frequency is 1010 Hz , that puts Op HF of the side bands ? wspr 477.600 , to use the top 200 Hz ? This 'new' band is not very comfortable : ( G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Albert" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 10:54 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? > G, > > Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. > > 73, Albert > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 77A3838000084; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 05:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbpyW-0002im-Vy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:22:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbpyW-0002id-DB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:22:52 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbpyT-0001Pm-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:22:51 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFAOnKzU9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFnlwDlVOBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQoDCRkUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQENhXOBbAMPrVINiU6KM2AaglSDIgOIDYUwl1SCYIFfgT4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="388336804" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 10:22:48 +0100 Message-ID: <002101cd42fc$c4e3d5f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net><4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de><4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net><77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk><517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk><4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><016101cd427d$7f76f4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:22:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John I supplied all the info required and this was accepted. Is it something to do with my talktalk email address instead of a yahoo email address. I am sure others are having the same problem. That is why I suggested the vote be cast openly on here and blacksheep. All that is needed is for members to state YES or NO to the changes in a neutral environment rather than via the Yahoo reflector only de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 91e1efbff209cbddb14bc9e018c2cfe8 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD42FC.C49C6CB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:504419808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fcdd02c7299 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD42FC.C49C6CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John I supplied all the info required and this was accepted. Is it something = to do with my talktalk email address instead of a yahoo email address. I am sure others are having the same problem. That is why I suggested = the vote be cast openly on here and blacksheep. All that is needed is = for members to state YES or NO to the changes in a neutral environment = rather than via the Yahoo reflector only de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:10 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Mal, =20 Thanks, interesting point. I can see that you are a member, but on my = admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. Without this = you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, = etc. =20 I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a Yahoo = ID, but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the = formalities. =20 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton wrote: John With my talktalk email account, I cannot access any of the options = that you specify. a Gmail account might be different g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Stefan,=20 I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo = account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and = that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised = by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =20 I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll = on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =20 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer = wrote: Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a = yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging = the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts = that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to = codeterminate in this process. My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group = compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, = where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before = the voting period ends. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD42FC.C49C6CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
I supplied all the info required and this = was=20 accepted. Is it something to do with my talktalk email address instead = of a=20 yahoo email address.
I am sure others are having the same problem. = That is why=20 I suggested the vote be cast openly on here and blacksheep. All that is = needed=20 is for members to state YES or NO to the changes in a neutral = environment rather=20 than via the Yahoo reflector only
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 = 9:10=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black = Sheep

Mal,  

Thanks, interesting point.  I can see that you are a member, = but on=20 my admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. =  Without this=20 you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, = etc.=20  

I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a = Yahoo ID,=20 but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the = formalities.=20  

73 John, G3WKL


On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
With my talktalk email account,  I = cannot access=20 any of the options that you specify. a Gmail account might be=20 different
g3kev
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From: = John Gould
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 3:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black=20 Sheep

Stefan,=20

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a = yahoo=20 account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail = account and=20 that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group = with your=20 Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be = authorised by one=20 of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a = poll on=20 the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they = voted.=20  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=20 wrote:
Hi=20 Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list = but=20 without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This=20 situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind = those who=20 are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside = the=20 poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote = is pro=20 blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As = long as the=20 two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to = win and=20 the other will be shut down after some time.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive = Lorton:
If=20 you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting=20 period ends.
 =20 =



------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD42FC.C49C6CB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AF738380000B8; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbE9T-0002o7-Ey for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:59:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbE9S-0002ny-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:59:38 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbE9Q-0002fP-LD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:59:37 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAHOXy09Ok8gE/2dsb2JhbABEtCGBCA8BAYICBQEBBQgBAQM8BQgCLAEBAwUCAQMRAwEBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBDASHXAMPqDCDOg2JTooxYAKGDgOIDYUwl1SCYIFf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="393264099" Received: from host-78-147-200-4.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.200.4]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 17:59:33 +0100 Message-ID: <002601cd41aa$4021dfe0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:59:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Eddie You are not reading all the emails and yes he can reply but he seems to have gone Underground. G3XBM pse respond and put Eddie in the picture ----- Original Message ----- From: g3zjo To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: ae3221d431bd19e5880aa98eda07ece4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD41AA.3FEB1870" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472697504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fcb98304655 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD41AA.3FEB1870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eddie=20 You are not reading all the emails and yes he can reply but he seems to = have gone Underground. G3XBM pse respond and put Eddie in the picture=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20 Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that = a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose = opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging = or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised = group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to = lies. Eddie ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - rather busy on = a number of other fronts. However, as I have looked in to post the = thing about the poll saw the comments below. =20 What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can = you elaborate as I am not aware of this. =20 In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange = the Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using = the URL from one on the many published sources would be able to find the = group. I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be = saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on the same basic = topic. 73 John, G3WKL On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris wrote: Mal, I agree. Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a = year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF = Today' and probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably = links to this site from others which will be around for years. Vy 73 all, Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" = To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status John Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any = serious problems with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small = attachments and for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has = worked well this has been pointed out by others. I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I = get more adverts that I do not need. Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted = on Yahoo de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status To John, G3WKL, Please do NOT shut down this reflector. 1. It's active in positive sense. 2. There are too many hams here who say "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven Brave New World were each posting will be "googleable" for ever. Me too. That's the reason I unsubscribed from some Yapoo-Groups recently. 73 Peter, df3lp No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5042 - Release Date: = 06/03/12 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD41AA.3FEB1870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Eddie
You are not reading all the emails and yes he = can reply=20 but he seems to have gone Underground.
G3XBM pse respond and put Eddie in the picture=20
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 g3zjo=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some = time back=20 indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban = persons=20 like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his,  this = is=20 hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth = operation of any=20 organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure = Roger can=20 stick up for himself but please don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 John=20 Gould
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 2:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: = O.T.:=20 Reflector status

Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - = rather=20 busy on a number of other fronts.  However, as I have looked = in to=20 post the thing about the poll saw the comments below.  =20

What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - = can you=20 elaborate as I am not aware of this.  

In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would = arrange the=20 Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using = the URL=20 from one on the many published sources would be able to find the=20 group.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to = be=20 saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on the same = basic=20 topic.

73 John, G3WKL

On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> = wrote:
Mal,=20 I agree.
Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest = after a=20 year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB = book 'LF=20 Today' and probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are = probably=20 links to this site from others which will be around for = years.
Vy 73=20 all,
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message ----- From: "mal = hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: = <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent:=20 Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status


John
Keep=20 Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious=20 problems
with it. It is perfectly functional and useful = with small=20 attachments and
for larger screen shots then Dropbox is = suitable=20 and has worked well this
has been pointed out by = others.
I=20 cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get = more
adverts that I do not need.
Any mention of = Underground=20 LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo
de=20 mal/g3kev


----- Original Message -----
From: = "pws"=20 <pws@legal-medicine.de>
To: = <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent:=20 Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector=20 status


To=20 John, G3WKL,

Please do NOT shut down this=20 reflector.

1. It's active in positive = sense.

2. There=20 are too many hams here who say
"no thanks!" to that = advertisement=20 driven
Brave New World were each posting will = be
"googleable"=20 for ever. Me too.

That's the reason I unsubscribed=20 from
some Yapoo-Groups recently.

73 Peter,=20 = df3lp






No virus = found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.2178 / = Virus=20 Database: 2425/5042 - Release Date:=20 06/03/12


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SA beacon audible at present on 472.5 = approx. good=20 signal
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01CD4E1F.DB3B1F10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 881193800008A; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbuvI-0005sm-D7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:39:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbuvH-0005sd-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:39:51 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbuvG-0002fZ-5x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:39:50 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhsFAD0Zzk9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFnl4DlVWBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDBA0EAQEKDBkUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPrWQNiU6KM2AaglQMgxYDiA2FMJdUgmCBX4E+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="388373614" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 15:39:49 +0100 Message-ID: <00df01cd4329$0e776c00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008101cd4316$964358f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:39:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John Just signed in again and it says membership pending !! de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: vote [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: eeb98d9e5f7535b37e24952fd7f85252 Subject: Re: LF: vote Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CD4329.0E21AAE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492623840:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fce1a6f7c9c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CD4329.0E21AAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Just signed in again and it says membership pending !! de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: vote Mal, I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. = I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means that = you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership of = the RSGB_LF_Group list (yet). 73 John, G3WKL On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton wrote: John I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open to me in spite of = being able to log in I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors going and this will = satisfy all concerned. My main objection was the way the transition suddenly took place = without proper consultation. I would suggest everyone votes openly on both reflectors, to avoid = lock outs like we are hearing about from several others. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CD4329.0E21AAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
Just signed in again and it says membership = pending=20 !!
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 = 1:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: vote

Mal,

I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. =  I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means = that=20 you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership = of the=20 RSGB_LF_Group list (yet).

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not = open to me=20 in spite of being able to log in
I therefore VOTE here to keep both = reflectors going=20 and this will satisfy all concerned.
My main objection was the way the transition = suddenly took place without proper consultation.
I would suggest everyone votes openly on = both=20 reflectors, to avoid lock outs like we are hearing about from = several=20 others.
 
de mal/g3kev
 

------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CD4329.0E21AAE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0BD66380000DE; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scisd-0004eo-Hg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:00:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scisc-0004eZ-Qz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:00:26 +0100 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scisa-00042u-LN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:00:25 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q57K0NON010496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 17:30:23 -0230 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 17:30:23 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MUN-Disclaimer: http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/elect_communications_disclaimer_2012.php X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hi Stefan, I look forward to getting on 472-479 and having a QSO with your station on CW. 73 and tnx Joe [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 66d07794ca19cd68f7d6cc289cd4ac18 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:447109312:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4fd1088975de X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, I look forward to getting on 472-479 and having a QSO with your station on CW. 73 and tnx Joe On Thu, 7 Jun 2012, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Hi Joe, LF, > > Yes, we're here of course :-) > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy nar= row=20 > band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when th= e=20 > new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended frequency r= ange=20 > then or will you have to QSY? > And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? Woul= d it=20 > be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? > It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however wit= h a=20 > 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: >>=20 >> Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... >>=20 >> The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and >> a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. >>=20 >> 73 >> Joe VO1NA >>=20 >> This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at >> http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.= php=20 > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B5CE6380000AB; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBut-0000Nz-4z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:36:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBus-0000Nq-Jl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:36:26 +0100 Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbBuq-0001pE-FU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:36:25 +0100 Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hp9y1j0051ZXKqc5DqcNS9; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:36:22 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HqcM1j01F0CFS1j3hqcNEN; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:36:22 +0000 Message-ID: <006a01cd4196$3f0d52b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" , References: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:36:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: <2 cents> It seems only a couple folks are requesting an immediate shutdown of blacksheep. Why not let both run simultaneously for some time and see which wins out? It should be a simple matter to judge, after a period of time, which is more popular. [...] Content analysis details: (1.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.59.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 5fc8987c5011a8849fb47b0998281191 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01CD4174.B7C00940" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:208123712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fcb76a2347f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01CD4174.B7C00940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <2 cents> It seems only a couple folks are requesting an immediate shutdown of blacksheep. Why not let both run simultaneously for some time and see which wins out? It should be a simple matter to judge, after a period of time, which is more popular. Some folks (me included) are not interested in having their messages archived for eternity ... or looking for a place to upload articles or pictures of a new gadget. There are other simple options for doing this outside of yahoo. I don't want to notified each time someone uploads a new snapshot. I'm set up to receive both yahoo and blacksheep via e mail so don't see the 'fuss' to receive both. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01CD4174.B7C00940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 <2 cents>
 
It seems only a couple folks are = requesting an=20 immediate shutdown of blacksheep. Why not let both run = simultaneously for=20 some time and see which wins out? It should be a simple matter to judge, = after a=20 period of time, which is more = popular.  
 
Some folks (me = included) are not=20 interested in having their messages archived for = eternity ... or=20 looking for a place to upload articles or pictures of a new gadget. = There=20 are other simple options for doing this outside of yahoo. I don't = want=20 to notified each time someone uploads a new=20 snapshot.
 
I'm set up to receive both yahoo and = blacksheep via=20 e mail so don't see the 'fuss' to receive both.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  = WE2XGR/2
 
</2=20 cents>          
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------=_NextPart_000_0066_01CD4174.B7C00940-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 28CED380000BD; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scjk2-0005bV-HE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:55:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scjk2-0005bJ-54 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:55:38 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scjjz-0004Tw-Qc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:55:37 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q57KtZB9022469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:55:35 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57KtZEg013979 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:55:35 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD114EA.60200@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:54:02 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000901cd44bf$d7d97f10$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <004901cd44e0$644b4530$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <4FD10FE4.7030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thank you Roelof! Am 07.06.2012 22:45, schrieb Roelof Bakker: > Hello Stefan, > > Excellent signal in Middelburg, Netherlands, this evening. > Only 25 dB weaker than the carrier of DCF39! Oh, that must be a strange propagation effect :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 59677119386dcf9f1872cb454dc1331d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425698624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fd115731ac4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thank you Roelof! Am 07.06.2012 22:45, schrieb Roelof Bakker: > Hello Stefan, > > Excellent signal in Middelburg, Netherlands, this evening. > Only 25 dB weaker than the carrier of DCF39! Oh, that must be a strange propagation effect :-) 73, Stefan > > See attachment. > > 73, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 15E1A380000B5; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbFMs-0004MM-OY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:17:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbFMs-0004MD-9J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:17:34 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbFMq-000388-SN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:17:33 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArwBAGWpy09OlnGb/2dsb2JhbAANN4stoBCFFIZnCQEBAQEDgQkLAwEFDwkWDwkDAgECAUUTCAEBvVOLEYJ6gxYDlRuSVw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="394724292" Received: from host-78-150-113-155.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.2.7]) ([78.150.113.155]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 03 Jun 2012 19:17:31 +0100 Message-ID: <4FCBAA26.1070406@psk31.plus.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:17:10 +0100 From: g3zjo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8208EBBB3DEF446C8B540F5BEBB38570@AGB> In-Reply-To: <8208EBBB3DEF446C8B540F5BEBB38570@AGB> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: On 03/06/2012 19:09, Graham wrote: > ''professional amateurs''. > Ah .... tricky that one ! > G.. > > girls school, all bitching, tantrums and tears Now that's more like it.:-) Eddie On 03/06/2012 19:09, Graham wrote: [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: Fence sitter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070807020703030505000302" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473313536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4fcbaa727b85 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070807020703030505000302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 19:09, Graham wrote: > ''professional amateurs''. > Ah .... tricky that one ! > G.. > > girls school, all bitching, tantrums and tears Now that's more like it.:-) Eddie --------------070807020703030505000302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 19:09, Graham wrote:
''professional amateurs''.
 
Ah .... tricky that one  !
 
G..

girls school, all bitching, tantrums and tears
Now that's more like it. :-)

Eddie

--------------070807020703030505000302-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6CCC838000185; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbF6L-00042W-Jz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:00:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbF6K-00042N-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:00:28 +0100 Received: from relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net ([217.69.40.75] helo=uk1rly2283.eechost.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbF6J-00032K-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:00:27 +0100 Received: from [88.151.27.235] (helo=Shack) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SbF21-0004zl-0n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:56:01 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Tony" To: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:00:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Auth-Info: 3810@permanet.ie (login) X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 217.69.40.75 (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net) used invalid HELO/EHLO uk1rly2283.eechost.net - verification failed X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I will put my hand up and admit that I'm one of those members that doesn't post very often. To make matters worse, I don't transmit and only receive LF on a very irregular basis. The reason I joined the black sheep reflector was to get technical information to enable me to eventually build an LF system, and that is the reason I'm still here. On many days the reflector is full of reception reports which are of no interest to me at all, also requests for skeds which again are of no interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on 10m & 6m which I can easily see for myself on any cluster. All these unwanted (for me) posts are easily marked as "read" in my email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy if all post were duplicated over two different reflectors. [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [217.69.40.75 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (tonybaldwin[at]yahoo.com) 1.0 FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 'From' yahoo.com does not match 'Received' headers 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: bf9cd6b3d49c805062abf73a1027fea8 Subject: LF: Fence sitter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0241_01CD41B2.BEE31670" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:405172608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194fcba6795e8d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0241_01CD41B2.BEE31670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will put my hand up and admit that I'm one of those members that = doesn't post very often. To make matters worse, I don't transmit and only receive LF on a very = irregular basis. The reason I joined the black sheep reflector was to get technical = information to enable me to eventually build an LF system, and that is = the reason I'm still here. On many days the reflector is full of reception reports which are of no = interest to me at all, also requests for skeds which again are of no = interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on 10m & 6m which I = can easily see for myself on any cluster. All these unwanted (for me) posts are easily marked as "read" in my = email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy if all post were = duplicated over two different reflectors. So I shall continue to sit on the fence and see which reflector attracts = the technical posters, including "underground" earth mode results, and = use that one and cancel the other. I have to say that the last few days have reminded me of a girls school, = all bitching, tantrums and tears. Not really what you would expect from = grown up professional amateurs. Tony, EI8JK. ------=_NextPart_000_0241_01CD41B2.BEE31670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will put my hand up and admit that = I'm one of=20 those members that doesn't post very often.
To make matters worse, I don't = transmit and=20 only receive LF on a very irregular basis.
 
The reason I joined the black sheep = reflector was=20 to get technical information to enable me to eventually build an LF = system, and=20 that is the reason I'm still here.
On many days the reflector is full of = reception=20 reports which are of no interest to me at all, also requests for skeds = which=20 again are of no interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on = 10m &=20 6m which I can easily see for myself on any cluster.
All these unwanted (for me) posts are = easily marked=20 as "read" in my email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy = if all=20 post were duplicated over two different reflectors.
 
So I shall continue to sit on the fence = and see=20 which reflector attracts the technical posters, including "underground" = earth=20 mode results, and use that one and cancel the other.
 
I have to say that the last few days = have reminded=20 me of a girls school, all bitching, tantrums and tears. Not really what = you=20 would expect from grown up professional amateurs.
 
Tony, EI8JK.
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LF amp project
 
photo 2
 
G3KEV
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jan, Thanks for the info. Are you ready for a QSO? We can try. When i disconnect the antenna, the noise drops by more than 40 dB, so maybe it works on 501 as well. I still haven't heared a amateur radio station on MF in my live! So that would be a very premair. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:467747040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fdcf0cc1018 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jan, Thanks for the info. Are you ready for a QSO? We can try. When i=20 disconnect the antenna, the noise drops by more than 40 dB, so maybe it=20 works on 501 as well. I still haven't heared a amateur radio station on MF in my live! So that=20 would be a very premair. If you are ready, tell me aQRG... 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 22:23, schrieb pa3abk: > Stefan, > > I can hear you, marginal... > In QSO some other DL station (?) > > But maybe it's better to listen on 501kHz, possible the filter is=20 > less attenuated there. > Have my doubts, because you are very deep in the noise (and static) > > FYI I have H24 solid CW QSO with g3xiz mostly S-7/8 about same=20 > distance both using about 100W. > > Jan/pa3abk > > > NNNN > On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> MF, >> >> Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band=20 >> filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an=20 >> overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX=20 >> performs much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see=20 >> several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field=20 >> signal. >> >> My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look=20 >> for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters=20 >> in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth=20 >> a try. >> >> Starting now! >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8C4A23800008C; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SawFB-0002BG-1u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:52:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SawFA-0002B7-8T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:52:20 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SawF7-0007Q9-He for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:52:19 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d09 with ME id HZsG1j0030Lx2rm03ZsG0g; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:52:16 +0200 Message-ID: <5952D61A7FEB48A295AE516C01835D21@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1338658900.90499.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338658900.90499.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:52:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: No problem Pete Seems activity on 500k mid summer is higher than mid winter , over 16 stations showing up to day , and one new station to MF on my decode list 19:34 500 G3YXM Op4 +2 dB : ) Ae system is working well , top of my loaded wire L is bent back on its self , not convinced its the best arrangement , now the mast has been replaced and the blocks are free, I can try a few changes , see what happens , luckily with about 150 watts I can decode via the delft web-sdr , so thats a good remote f/s meter hi [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 63d9573fd5b71bb4894e61e9d99f1314 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_019E_01CD4112.5B798600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488789184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fca8b49189b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019E_01CD4112.5B798600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No problem Pete Seems activity on 500k mid summer is higher than mid winter , = over 16 stations showing up to day , and one new station to MF = on my decode list 19:34 500 G3YXM Op4 +2 dB : ) Ae system is working well , top of my loaded wire L is bent = back on its self , not convinced its the best arrangement , now the = mast has been replaced and the blocks are free, I can try a few = changes , see what happens , luckily with about 150 watts I can = decode via the delft web-sdr , so thats a good remote f/s meter = hi=20 73 -G. =20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 6:41 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT Thanks for all the info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on and now me = it only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I mailed = him today ........... via this medium. The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power (depending upon = output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's = currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for = the logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, = limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate = the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the device I supose. The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer via = a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the "Top" of the = transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon insulating washers = throught the wall and straight up to the 8inch ribbed glass insulator = about 35 feet then on a slope to a 24foot mast (soon to increased to = 35feet). Tuned against several long earthing wires. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 17:19 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Ok Pete, These are all the decodes I have , I was using the Skanti r5003 Rx = with 40 ft alloy scaffold pole vertical , no atu , only the = pre-selector in the rx , fed vis abt 90 feet of rg213 coax=20 Good signal for 10 watts , just on the edge for the qso mode , = at -20 dB minimum , but 15 watts would do the job ! As I say its the only plug-and-play data mode , just plug in = place of the CW key ( the development was based on the racal = ma1723 , in CW mode at 20 wpm as the maximum keying speed and = envelope shape) 73 -G. 14:00 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:07 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:38 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB 11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi Graham Yes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon trying to make = up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable power on the rig (GW3UEP) = Class E Fet O/P stage Gate. PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a = bit now actually done nothing to stop it....... weird. I have only just got my head around opera...... thought it was a = linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW = transmission which I like. Thanks for all the info on opera btw. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:37 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Wow and that was just using the Op w/fall ! You could reduce to = 2 watts and still decode ! =20 Glad the system is working for you=20 G..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Thanks Paul Graham is right about QRG. My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer (not = affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial could be 503.275 ? +/- a bit ! G. From: Clemens Paul=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting What is the actual tx qrg then? Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: = 01.06.2012=20 ------=_NextPart_000_019E_01CD4112.5B798600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No problem Pete
 
Seems  activity on   500k  mid  = summer =20 is  higher  than  mid winter  , over  16 = stations =20 showing  up  to  day , and  one  new  = station=20  to  MF  on my  decode  list  19:34 500 G3YXM Op4 +2 dB : )
 
Ae system  is  working  well  , = top=20 of  my  loaded  wire  L  is bent  = back  on=20 its self , not  convinced its the  best arrangement ,  = now=20 the  mast has  been  replaced  and the  = blocks =20 are  free, I can  try a  few  changes , = see   what=20 happens , luckily  with  about  150 watts  I = can =20 decode  via the  delft  web-sdr  , so  thats a=20 good   remote  f/s  meter hi 
 
73 -G. 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 6:41 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW=20 QRT

Thanks for all the info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on = and now=20 me it only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I = mailed him=20 today ........... via this medium.
 
The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power=20 (depending upon output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA = voltage it's=20 currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for = the=20 logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, = limits the=20 power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate the supply = to the=20 PA and get a lot more from the device I supose.
The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter = transformer=20 via a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the = "Top"=20 of the transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon = insulating=20 washers throught the wall and straight up  to=20 the 8inch ribbed glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope = to a=20 24foot mast (soon to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long = earthing=20 wires.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 17:19
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Ok  Pete,
 
These are all  the  decodes  I have , I was using = the =20 Skanti  r5003  Rx  with    40 ft alloy=20 scaffold  pole   vertical  , no  atu , = only =20 the  pre-selector  in the  rx , fed vis  abt  = 90 feet=20 of  rg213 coax
 
Good  signal  for  10 watts  , just on = the =20 edge  for the  qso  mode  , at  -20 dB  = minimum ,=20 but  15 watts  would  do  the  job !
 
As I say  its  the  only  = plug-and-play  =20 data  mode  , just plug in place of the  CW key  ( = the =20 development  was  based on the  racal  ma1723  = ,=20 in  CW mode at  20  wpm  as the maximum  =20 keying  speed and  envelope  shape)
 
 
73 -G.
 
 
 
 
14:00 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:07 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB
12:38 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB
12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB
12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB
11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB
 
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Hi Graham
 
Yes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon = trying to=20 make up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable = power on the=20 rig (GW3UEP) Class E Fet O/P = stage Gate.=20 PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actually done = nothing to=20 stop it....... weird.
 I have only just got my head around opera......  thought = it was=20 a linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW = transmission which I=20 like.
 
Thanks for all the info on opera btw.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:37
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Wow   and that  was  just using the  = Op =20 w/fall !  You  could  reduce to  2 watts   = and  still  decode !  
 
Glad the  system  is  working  for  you =
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Thanks Paul
 
Graham is right about QRG.
 
My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC = keyer=20 (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer = looking.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>= ;
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:12
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

could be   503.275  ?   +/-   a=20 bit  !
 
G.

From: Clemens = Paul=20
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at = all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject:=20 LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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Pete es co
The 500 Khz rig that I built in a  couple of hours. Components = from=20 the junk box. The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of=20 transistors.
Class E single ended one FET.
At the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an = exciter, a=20 couple of diodes to SQ the sinewave.
The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic ex TU7B tuning = unit.
I put a good signal into the USA es Canada es Moscow with=20 this transmitter on CW.
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, You wrote: > ... Today i want to inform > you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of Darmstadt, > http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run by Christoph > Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. Seems they want to > observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some earthquake precursors. > ... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 7aa9ad08848e488e22e0ff1d71f4ef1d Subject: Re: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:340156256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4feac9864f8a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, You wrote: > ... Today i want to inform > you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of Darmstadt, > http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run by Christoph > Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. Seems they want to > observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some earthquake precursors. > ... Missing many usual suspects at LF like MSF, 60 kHz or 81 kHz from Inskip etc. Instead 45.9 kHz, Sicily, appears at reasonable strength. May be they are running a loop with E/W-nulls? Furthermore those typical rise of noise floor from soundcards running at high sampling rates is visible. So, some 15-20 dB more gain especially above 30 kHz is recommended. Peter, Kiel http://df3lp.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1FEF2380000BE; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShP9u-0003lQ-1t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:57:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShP9t-0003lH-El for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:57:37 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShP9q-00057a-QD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:57:36 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5KHvWe7019928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:57:33 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5KHvWFv010178 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:57:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE20EA2.7050005@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:55:46 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> <0C6B2C0519D74D279732BB4DC9974B3A@standard9dmup1> In-Reply-To: <0C6B2C0519D74D279732BB4DC9974B3A@standard9dmup1> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Horst, Walter, MF, Walter is right. A very good work was done DK4VW (and all involved) and we can be happy about the very fast permission. Just a reminder what you said in februrary, 15th, this year (partly marked in red) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 T_FRT_STOCK2 BODY: ReplaceTags: Stock (2) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4ad75ad27eb9a353f40105f6e3872b5c Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050903040706050005060405" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436904480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fe20f4926ac X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050903040706050005060405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5KHvWe7019928 Hello Horst, Walter, MF, Walter is right. A very good work was done DK4VW (and all involved) and=20 we can be happy about the very fast permission. Just a reminder what you said in februrary, 15th, this year (partly=20 marked in red) -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: LF: 472-479 kHz - no illusions for DL Datum: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:34:49 +0100 (CET) Von: "Horst St=C3=B6cker" Antwort an: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org */Hello Stefan, hello Walter, /* */the VO Funk / Radio Regulation is international law. I am in doubt if=20 this will be fully implemented in national law in Germany very soon. In=20 the past our Bundesnetzagentur did not see the VO Funk as MUST but as=20 CAN. The Bundesnetzagentur itself will not be interested in=20 actualisation of the Frequenzzuweisungsplanverordnung, the=20 Frequenznutzungsplan and the Amateurfunkverordnung. Funny words that=20 sound as complicated as german authorities work . . . /* */So it depends on the DARC. But I do not expect much from them. If they=20 would really bring us on 472kHz within 2012 this was really a reason to=20 join the club again. /* */Horst/* ----------------------------- So, that is about 4 months ago! And now we have the permission. And you=20 said this would really be a reason to join the club again! But now you=20 say "/I know ones more why I left the club!/" Odd. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Are you able to radiate 1 W ERP on 475 kHz? Am 20.06.2012 17:57, schrieb Walter Staubach: > Horst, > as you already did in earlier times you do now: Standing besides=20 > the road and tell to hard working people what they should have done=20 > better. > Note: If the MF-regulation does not meet your needs - you are not=20 > forced to use this nice band. Others will do with pleasure. > 73 > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* "Horst St=C3=B6cker" > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:54 AM > *Subject:* Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams > > Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full > implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by > the BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012? > The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really? > The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class > E. Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with > max. 9W ERP. Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences > in germany. As HAM with class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing. > It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with > one Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP > (now BNetzA) remembered that there were experimental stations > (like my DA5FS) with every kind of licences. So one decided for > the only logical consequence: >250THz ist still allocated to class > A AND E HAMs. > Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the clu= b! > Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN) > --------------050903040706050005060405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5KHvWe7019928 Hello Horst, Walter, MF,

Walter is right. A very good work was done DK4VW (and all involved)=C2=A0 and we can be happy about the very fast permission.

Just a reminder what you said in februrary, 15th, this year (partly marked in red)

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: = LF: 472-479 kHz - no illusions for DL
Datum: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:34:49 +0100 (CET)
Von: "Horst St=C3=B6cker" <horst.stoecker@web.de>
Antwort a= n: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org


Hello Stefan, hello Walter,
the VO Funk / Radio Regulation is international law. = I am in doubt if this will be fully implemented in national law in Germany very soon. In the past our Bundesnetzagentur did not see the VO Funk as MUST but as CAN.=C2= =A0 The Bundesnetzagentur itself will not be interested in actualisation of the Frequenzzuweisungsplanverordnung, the Frequenznutzungsplan and the Amateurfunkverordnung. Funny words that sound as complicated as german authorities work . . .
So it depends on the DARC. But I do not expect much from them. If they would really bring us on 472kHz within 2012 this was really a reason to join the club again.
Horst

-----------------------------

So, that is about 4 months ago! And now we have the permission. And you said this would really be a reason to join the club again! But now you say "I know ones more why I left the club!"

Odd.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Are you able to radiate 1 W ERP on 475 kHz?


Am 20.06.2012 17:57, schrieb Walter Staubach:
Horst,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 as you already = did in earlier times you do now: Standing besides the road and tell to hard working people what they should have done better.
Note: If the MF-regulation does no= t meet your needs - you are not forced to use this nice band. Others will do with pleasure.
73
Walter
=C2=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:54 AM
Subject: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams

Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012?
The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really?
The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class E. Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. 9W ERP. Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. As HAM with class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing.
It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with one Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now BNetzA) remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with every kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: >250THz ist still allocated to class A AND E HAMs.
Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the club!
Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN)

--------------050903040706050005060405-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9662B380000B4; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Siqhy-0007Ut-Hr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:34:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Siqhx-0007Uk-KX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:34:45 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Siqhv-0002pQ-OE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:34:44 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhMFAG9O509cHYH5/2dsb2JhbABEoC4DjyiGIoEIghMRAwEBA0kCLAIIAgEHARoCJxIBAgEBGgYkGQQBAgIBAYd+l02gHpE1A4gVhTZ6kA+GW4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,468,1336345200"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="385735381" Received: from host-92-29-129-249.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.249]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2012 18:34:40 +0100 Message-ID: <000901cd522f$a0b3f060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:34:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham Reference Pitcairn Is. I spent some time around these Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spent Christmas on Christmas Island 1958 See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and all that !! especially South Hotel St I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 metres. I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. Daytime very quiet. g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_OBFU_JPG_ATTACH BODY: JPG attachment with generic MIME type 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: ea610d79349b76fb4c54431715bd4da0 Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD522F.A0190FF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81717 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:368159168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fe74fed5553 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD522F.A0190FF0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD522F.A0190FF0" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD522F.A0190FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham Reference Pitcairn Is. I spent some time around these Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spent = Christmas on Christmas Island 1958 See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and = all that !! especially South Hotel St I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 = metres. I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. = Daytime very quiet. g3kev ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD522F.A0190FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Graham
Reference Pitcairn Is.
I spent some time around these Islands = in the=20 Pacific, in fact I spent Christmas on Christmas Island 1958
See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop = Honolulu,=20 grass skirts and all that !! especially South Hotel St
I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just = like=20 listening on 2 metres.
I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON = Honolulu 1200=20 miles away. Daytime very quiet.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Laurence I am on the East coast near the sea and both 160/600 are similar. I suppose at other locations things might be different although when I have been elswhere I have never noticed that the top end of the MF BROADCAST BAND differs much from the lower end in other words, seems fairly linear from 520 Khz to 1700 Khz. For a given distance the signals are just as strong at one end as the other during daytime and during darkness when the band opens up for DX Mal/G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 60cd3dc4440dc5d656099dfe3d5cf4d2 Subject: LF: Re: re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01CD4CA8.6BF13900" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494247776:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4fde196049ec X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01CD4CA8.6BF13900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Laurence I am on the East coast near the sea and both 160/600 are similar. I = suppose at other locations things might be different although when I = have been elswhere I have never noticed that the top end of the MF = BROADCAST BAND differs much from the lower end in other words, seems = fairly linear from 520 Khz to 1700 Khz. For a given distance the signals = are just as strong at one end as the other during daytime and during = darkness when the band opens up for DX Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Laurence KL7UK=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:48 PM Subject: LF: re: Further MF impressions Ive found 160/600m dx and even ground wave coverage very different = dependent on Geographic and Geomagnetic latitudes, topography etc. Even = the Iono QRN affects from lightning has a different "taste" It may be the same with Mal in the UK but my personal view is it hasnt = played out that way in a number of places Ive operated in/on globally. = Vivre la/le difference! (apologies!) Laurence KL1X enroute to AK (yipee) > From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:26:39 +0000 > Subject: LF: Re: Re: Further MF impressions >=20 > Alan > I work both 160 metres and 600 metres and find both similar. Daytime = range > and night time similar. > but you must compare like with like power and antenna wise. > I use a 1/4 wave inv L on each band up at 100 ft vertical, but = naturally the > 600 metre antenna is less efficient than the 160 metre therefore one = has to > adjust the power on 160 to get the same erp for comparison purposes. = In my > case 10w erp on each band > For those fiddling about with 400w pep on 160 and a variety of = antennas and > unknown erp and those with a few watts on 600 metres and often very = small > antennas you cannot draw any rational comparison > I can work over the same distances daytime on 160 or 600 and after = dark the > same applies to dx locations. >=20 > de mal/g3kev >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Melia" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:54 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions >=20 >=20 > > Stefan, the groundwave does not change, but what you have is = varying > amounts > > of skywave and daytime "fading" The wavelength is only a quarter = of that > at > > 136kHz so it only tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) = reflection > > height to give the same sort of constrctive and destructive = interference. > > 500kHz does not travel over land so well as the surface = "roughness" is > > bigger wrt a wavelength ( but even rough seas are generally less = "rough" > > than land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency and quite = different to > both > > 136 and top-band. There are times of the day when the fading can = be > vicious > > at relatively short range Also with the shorter wavelength most = antenna > > height limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at = 136kHz > > > > Enjoy the new "playground" :-)) > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:03 PM > > Subject: LF: Further MF impressions > > > > > > > MF, > > > > > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought = the xtal > > > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient = temperatures in > the > > > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is = significantly > > > lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the = band > > > noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current = setup. > > > > > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in = the > > > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > > > > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some = experience in > > > these first days... > > > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01CD4CA8.6BF13900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Laurence
I am on the East coast near the sea and = both=20 160/600 are similar. I suppose at other locations things might be = different=20 although when I have been elswhere I have never noticed that the top end = of the=20 MF BROADCAST BAND differs much from the lower end in other words, seems = fairly=20 linear from 520 Khz to 1700 Khz. For a given distance the signals are = just as=20 strong at one end as the other during daytime and during darkness when = the band=20 opens up for DX
Mal/G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Laurence KL7UK =
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 = 3:48 PM
Subject: LF: re: Further MF=20 impressions

Ive found 160/600m dx and even ground wave coverage = very=20 different dependent on Geographic and Geomagnetic latitudes, = topography etc. Even the Iono QRN affects from lightning has a = different=20 "taste"

It may be the same with Mal in the UK but my personal view is it = hasnt=20 played out that way in a number of places Ive operated in/on globally. = Vivre=20 la/le difference! (apologies!)

Laurence KL1X enroute to AK (yipee)



> From: = g3kevmal@talktalk.net
> To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> CC: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=20 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:26:39 +0000
> Subject: LF: Re: Re: = Further MF=20 impressions
>
> Alan
> I work both 160 metres and = 600=20 metres and find both similar. Daytime range
> and night time=20 similar.
> but you must compare like with like power and antenna = wise.
> I use a 1/4 wave inv L on each band up at 100 ft = vertical, but=20 naturally the
> 600 metre antenna is less efficient than the 160 = metre=20 therefore one has to
> adjust the power on 160 to get the same = erp for=20 comparison purposes. In my
> case 10w erp on each band
> = For those=20 fiddling about with 400w pep on 160 and a variety of antennas = and
>=20 unknown erp and those with a few watts on 600 metres and often very=20 small
> antennas you cannot draw any rational comparison
> = I can=20 work over the same distances daytime on 160 or 600 and after dark = the
>=20 same applies to dx locations.
>
> de mal/g3kev
> =
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Melia"=20 <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
> To:=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, = 2012 2:54=20 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions
>
> =
>=20 > Stefan, the groundwave does not change, but what you have is=20 varying
> amounts
> > of skywave and daytime "fading" = The=20 wavelength is only a quarter of that
> at
> > 136kHz so = it only=20 tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) reflection
> > = height to=20 give the same sort of constrctive and destructive = interference.
> >=20 500kHz does not travel over land so well as the surface "roughness" = is
>=20 > bigger wrt a wavelength ( but even rough seas are generally less=20 "rough"
> > than land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency = and=20 quite different to
> both
> > 136 and top-band. There = are times=20 of the day when the fading can be
> vicious
> > at = relatively=20 short range Also with the shorter wavelength most antenna
> > = height=20 limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at = 136kHz
>=20 >
> > Enjoy the new "playground" :-))
> >
> = >=20 Alan G3NYK
> >
> > ----- Original Message = -----
> >=20 From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
>=20 > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: = Sunday, June=20 17, 2012 3:03 PM
> > Subject: LF: Further MF = impressions
>=20 >
> >
> > > MF,
> > >
> > = > I=20 just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the = xtal
>=20 > > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient = temperatures=20 in
> the
> > > afternoon. But later i found that the = band=20 noise on MF is significantly
> > > lower than in the = evening, at=20 least 20 dB. So now i see that the band
> > > noise is = about 5 dB=20 above my soundcard noise with the current setup.
> > = >
>=20 > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer = and in=20 the
> > > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to=20 LF?
> > >
> > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the = grabber.=20 Nice tool to get some experience in
> > > these first=20 days...
> > >
> > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> = >=20 >
> >
> >
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Mk1 137 Khz secret weapon home built that has crossed the Atlantic = and=20 beyond many times over the years on 137 using both CW and = QRS3.
PA consists of 4 FETS in class D push pull driven from a 13.7 Mhz = vfo=20 source and a divider/driver interface to arrive at 137.
 
Mk2 version already in service will appear=20 soon
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Content preview: FL test From: "Stefan Schäfer" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:20 PM To: Subject: LF: test [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 6aac716dc074d63ee3780b79bbe46b5d Subject: Re: LF: test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466723296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fedcce63912 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none FL test -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:20 PM To: Subject: LF: test > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 10FA5380000CB; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiDOr-0000Pf-9J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:36:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiDOq-0000PW-TZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:36:24 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiDOp-0003Z6-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:36:23 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5MNaMsp003129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:36:22 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5MNaMT7029224 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:36:22 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE5010A.4000900@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:34:34 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, I just found a 630m band Wikipedia site in German, English and French language: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/630-Meter-Band Google says the site i 4 days old :-) Even a band plan is shown which seems to be preliminary... [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e4383209d2ccb9552700d53c0b540538 Subject: LF: 630m band Wikipedia site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:398916992:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fe501b55e27 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, I just found a 630m band Wikipedia site in German, English and French language: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/630-Meter-Band Google says the site i 4 days old :-) Even a band plan is shown which seems to be preliminary... 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB6E438000088; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SasYJ-0000I8-BP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:55:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SasYI-0000Hz-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:55:50 +0100 Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SasYG-0006bx-RQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:55:49 +0100 Received: by bkty5 with SMTP id y5so5985621bkt.16 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:55:47 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MUkxxCS0qFfOun8lxeuisDs0RrA0A1JoIsx1FiD0XrA=; b=jmjAJFyE6uuPqSZW2OpsrO8t4j+4UWMcovwRoxs3IvXRsBrUOhfL7TjSm+HU6fZqhW Yw0RMQyGqFGZ4TBLJAq6ryIOWAQhkbHxKm2Yno0yLpMe8K3lnKfp7xD64gfTVhddUE7E 7jBAExAvwlK7Yo9zHiXJj2Dx+MeIqwk47zyxu6PfkjB425Ao81tYmAE/KHH6EV7rbi6d z89FnUSftv3W0HyMfUq8pYFVwqOcmk/oOo3inYR/OUSSw9i/GbSQSVKIx5Yxdd2VbQ4/ yTSw1UJe0QEWpqS59sI37UiWTDOXtkPN/RIjrZa0j1VkCU6qsk+u8pZmS6Uyxasw9/Xh +ECw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.41.14 with SMTP id m14mr3862157bke.109.1338659746391; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.64.78 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:55:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:55:46 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GjCTbZRh_ORJMj5U7GaoK9LPsjU Message-ID: From: PA7EY To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, According to the screenshot, it should be rts or dtr. Didn't try myself yet. As far as I know 1.4.1 is still the most recent one. Not sure about cpu, but on my several years old P4 2.8 GHz its no problem at all, cpu about 30%. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (ulrich.idzes[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f0d6c1713121c762d112806a4177e662 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=bcaec5555238a8a8e704c18102e3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81211 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481970368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d308.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4fca53da4600 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --bcaec5555238a8a8e704c18102e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, According to the screenshot, it should be rts or dtr. Didn't try myself yet= . As far as I know 1.4.1 is still the most recent one. Not sure about cpu, but on my several years old P4 2.8 GHz its no problem at all, cpu about 30%. 73, Ulrich 2012/6/2 Stefan Sch=E4fer : > PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX lin= e > (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? > > 73, Stefan > > Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >> >> G.., LF, >> >> What is the current up to date opera version? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary QRG. 73 Pete FMT [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.90 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-986706289-1338636091=:1363" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:353897632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d270.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fc9f792295e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-986706289-1338636091=:1363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=0A=0APlease report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. =0AT= emporary QRG.=0A=0A73 Pete FMT=0A=0A=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A= =0A________________________________ ---1613889061-986706289-1338636091=:1363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All

Pleas= e report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. =0ATemporary QRG.
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73 Pete FMT
 
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---1613889061-986706289-1338636091=:1363-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 13E5E380B0AB5; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si8VJ-0007Su-0M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:22:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si8VI-0007Sl-IU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:22:44 +0100 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si8VG-0000gE-U8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:22:43 +0100 Received: by wejx9 with SMTP id x9so2741954wej.16 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:22:41 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vj5bCmkGNae+7iFYjDV4mNeQPCaPXMs6pa7tivKcfto=; b=d7hRXWJAcqRJfJvrGjY/MrlsN7ngNpJNNuMPRM0aJlV5ZGAkPZM6E0GcBzTJq0YCxg thNeKlZWwoI/Dgn+a+2JH4ejId1SxloEeXdyX4Z/FozYZrir6c81C2e6mQeKiJ5SCuVT w5B4t72ZewH7YT9WKfFwuTAoV6H9Uk+mvAU171OV6K0Fi7+ACD99ruKaZhIPfRRpph24 KI1dcmFGe1GVkrfy6jzYJ9kmz9lRO37tt7CQgBHpSMqO2DZV7+EwXH1wnr7kpNwe+gdh TxRlkyEmETINnLKpriJ8UfemkHcKgJla6W6+39YOfOIisUixMDK8lDXi0lKG4AFOnMcj 77cg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.195.170 with SMTP id p42mr1776069wen.104.1340389361426; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:22:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <004c01cd508e$1fe3bfd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <004c01cd508e$1fe3bfd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:22:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, Solid state devices can generate many kilowatts up into the vhf range. Thanks to various surplus channels (MRI machines, analog television transmitters) components and amplifier boards can be had for reasonable money. One could get a significant rf burn from such an amplifier! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c0e6e8bcdc231effb9da2003d606d9a2 Subject: Re: LF: Valves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d64a47bfa07e04c313b73f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fe4b827100e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0016e6d64a47bfa07e04c313b73f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, Solid state devices can generate many kilowatts up into the vhf range. Thanks to various surplus channels (MRI machines, analog television transmitters) components and amplifier boards can be had for reasonable money. One could get a significant rf burn from such an amplifier! 73 Warren K2ORS On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:46 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > ** > Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lovely warm glow from a pair of > 813's, 4-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With 100 watt heaters and K/volts > on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could handle them safely. > Transistors for the Appliance Operator, with no dangerous voltages to > cause premature expiry!! > g3kev > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 --0016e6d64a47bfa07e04c313b73f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,
=A0 =A0 Solid state devices can generate many kilowatts up into th= e vhf range.
Thanks to various surplus channels (MRI machines, an= alog television transmitters)=A0components=A0and amplifier boards can be ha= d for reasonable money.
One could get a significant rf burn from such an amplifier!
=

73 Warren K2ORS


On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:46 AM, mal hamilton <g3k= evmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lov= ely warm glow=20 from a pair of 813's, =A04-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With = 100 watt=20 heaters and K/volts on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could handle= them=20 safely.
Transistors for the Appliance Operator, =A0with n= o=20 dangerous voltages to cause premature expiry!!
g3kev
=A0



--
73 Warren K2= ORS
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2
=A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1

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--0016e6d64a47bfa07e04c313b73f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D7D343800008B; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfWMF-0002HV-KB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:14:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfWME-0002HM-Uo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:14:34 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfWMC-0006EI-Fm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:14:33 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkkFAO80209cF/7E/2dsb2JhbABFgkWiMJBdgQiCEwUBAQQJAQEDICEHAQImBgEBCAIBAxEEAQEKOQEEGAIGDAgCDg8EAQkBAgIBAQECCQSHXAMGCQeYPpd3A4lYizaGEQOID4U0kQWGWYJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,417,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="38596051" Received: from host-92-23-254-196.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.196]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 14:14:30 +0100 Message-ID: <003d01cd4af8$cbb4a1d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:14:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dave Activity has already started on the new 472 band and this could set the trend by the time we get there. I have observed some CW , QRSS and Beacon acty already. Any frequency that takes your fancy. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f8d160685865bb56f1be9345202faba0 Subject: LF: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4AF8.CB802450" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:481133696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fdb356822b9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4AF8.CB802450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave=20 Activity has already started on the new 472 band and this could set the = trend by the time we get there. I have observed some CW , QRSS and = Beacon acty already. Any frequency that takes your fancy. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Sergeant=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ? =20 It seems rather strange that when this allocation is still at least 6=20 months away for most of us (DL excepted) we are already talking about=20 where to fit in a specialised data mode... I expect there will be=20 significant interest in the band, when it arrives, and will attract far=20 greater interest in the general community than has 136. As such any=20 bandplanning should follow the practice on the higher bands - with CW=20 at the bottom, then a small data slot, then SSB (is there enough room=20 for that?...). It may even be sensible to split it 50/50, with cw in=20 the bottom 3.5kHz and all modes (including data) in the top half. Whatever, if Opera (the data mode) is going to be the default mode on=20 this band you are unlikely to see me anywhere near it. And Opera (the=20 browser) released a new version yesterday at exactly the same time as=20 the original message in this thread was posted... 73 Dave G3YMC On 15 Jun 2012 at 13:13, Mike Dennison wrote: > I agree there should be thought given to bandplanning. Where, for=20 > instance, should I set my QRSS receiver? >=20 > However, the band is 7kHz wide and the suggestion to "go 1k up may be = , > 473 dial to give room for cw etc" would in fact give just 2.2kHz of = the > band for what will presumably be the most popular mode. Currently the > two modes of the 500kHz version of Opera occupies from 1.2kHz to = 1.8kHz > above dial frequency. >=20 > I think we need first to look at how much each mode might occupy. A > useful division might be 3.8kHz for CW, 0.2Hz for QRSS (perhaps in two > wide-spaced sub-bands) and 3kHz for all "data" (machine-read modes > including Opera). There is an argument that any mode involving beacons > (including some uses of QRSS and Opera) should be widely separated = from > two-way QSOs. >=20 > Lower bandwidth modes should be nearer the band edge. Perhaps 'DX' = modes > should avoid the active NDB frequencies - say between 476 and 478kHz. >=20 > Currently, it seems that Opera had a dial frequency of 500kHz, and the > 1.2kHz below it has some QRSS activity (eg IQ2MI). That sort of > arrangement may work on 472kHz provided the Opera allocaton does not > eventually migrate as it did on 137kHz. >=20 > Perhaps in the short term there should be allocated (or at least=20 > agreed) frequencies with an understanding by all that there will need = to > be adjustments eventually. >=20 > All food for thought. > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 http://www.davesergeant.com __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 4=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4AF8.CB802450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Activity has already started on the new 472 band = and this=20 could set the trend by the time we get there. I have observed some CW , = QRSS and=20 Beacon acty already.
Any frequency that takes your = fancy.
 
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dave = Sergeant
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz = Band=20 ?

  =

It seems rather strange that when this allocation is still at least 6 =
months away for most of us (DL excepted) we are already talking = about=20
where to fit in a specialised data mode... I expect there will be=20
significant interest in the band, when it arrives, and will attract = far=20
greater interest in the general community than has 136. As such any=20
bandplanning should follow the practice on the higher bands - with = CW
at=20 the bottom, then a small data slot, then SSB (is there enough room =
for=20 that?...). It may even be sensible to split it 50/50, with cw in
the = bottom=20 3.5kHz and all modes (including data) in the top half.

Whatever, = if Opera=20 (the data mode) is going to be the default mode on
this band you are = unlikely to see me anywhere near it. And Opera (the
browser) = released a new=20 version yesterday at exactly the same time as
the original message = in this=20 thread was posted...

73 Dave G3YMC

On 15 Jun 2012 at = 13:13, Mike=20 Dennison wrote:

> I agree there should be thought given to=20 bandplanning. Where, for
> instance, should I set my QRSS=20 receiver?
>
> However, the band is 7kHz wide and the = suggestion to=20 "go 1k up may be ,
> 473 dial to give room for cw etc" would in = fact give=20 just 2.2kHz of the
> band for what will presumably be the most = popular=20 mode. Currently the
> two modes of the 500kHz version of Opera = occupies=20 from 1.2kHz to 1.8kHz
> above dial frequency.
>
> I = think we=20 need first to look at how much each mode might occupy. A
> useful = division=20 might be 3.8kHz for CW, 0.2Hz for QRSS (perhaps in two
> = wide-spaced=20 sub-bands) and 3kHz for all "data" (machine-read modes
> including = Opera).=20 There is an argument that any mode involving beacons
> (including = some=20 uses of QRSS and Opera) should be widely separated from
> two-way=20 QSOs.
>
> Lower bandwidth modes should be nearer the band = edge.=20 Perhaps 'DX' modes
> should avoid the active NDB frequencies - say = between=20 476 and 478kHz.
>
> Currently, it seems that Opera had a = dial=20 frequency of 500kHz, and the
> 1.2kHz below it has some QRSS = activity (eg=20 IQ2MI). That sort of
> arrangement may work on 472kHz provided the = Opera=20 allocaton does not
> eventually migrate as it did on = 137kHz.
>=20
> Perhaps in the short term there should be allocated (or at = least=20
> agreed) frequencies with an understanding by all that there = will need=20 to
> be adjustments eventually.
>
> All food for=20 thought.
> Mike, G3XDV
> = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>

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------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4AF8.CB802450-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 95AD5380000B6; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scgxv-0003ql-NB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:57:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scgxv-0003qc-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:57:47 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scgxt-0003Qu-37 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:57:46 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews24.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.190]) by cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:57:43 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-cmt107.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.23]) by cpsps-ews24.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:57:44 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-cmt107.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:57:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:57:43 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2012 17:57:44.0048 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A06AF00:01CD44D7] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, I have experience as a "former" user of 500kHz. Under certain conditions there are "ducts" which enables you with low power to cover large distances. One of my favourites was EU to Brazil. Mostly in the last watch Northsea traffic was loud and clear audible off coast Rio. This condition could last for hours. You could contact the EU coaststation rather easy on their working channels with 250W shipstx. However high QRN in Brazil is rather problematic but sometimes the condx coincided with low QRN. Offshore, QRN can be considerable less. I experienced these "tunnels" also between LA & Hawaii and LA & New Zealand. Leaving Red Sea Indian Ocean to Perth radio was also a nice link. (7000km!) At that time I consider it as "normal" not realising that nowadays these are remarkable events if you put in hamradio perspective. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.4 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 9d01e9df836df8dd3868645661e1c1f7 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:416324928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574fd0ebe64d25 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, I have experience as a "former" user of 500kHz. Under certain conditions there are "ducts" which enables you with low power to cover large distances. One of my favourites was EU to Brazil. Mostly in the last watch Northsea traffic was loud and clear audible off coast Rio. This condition could last for hours. You could contact the EU coaststation rather easy on their working channels with 250W shipstx. However high QRN in Brazil is rather problematic but sometimes the condx coincided with low QRN. Offshore, QRN can be considerable less. I experienced these "tunnels" also between LA & Hawaii and LA & New Zealand. Leaving Red Sea Indian Ocean to Perth radio was also a nice link. (7000km!) At that time I consider it as "normal" not realising that nowadays these are remarkable events if you put in hamradio perspective. BTW understand that Monaco seems to be 1st official country on 472kHz as from 18/5-2012. http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=993:claude-passet&catid=53:spectrum Hopefully all EU countries implement this new QRG at the same time, otherwise you must keep a database in order to know were to listen for which country. Somewhere from 439-510kHz. EU and making decisions together worries me. Jan/pa3abk On 7-6-2012 12:45, Stefan Schfer wrote: > Hi Joe, LF, > > Yes, we're here of course :-) > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy > narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when > the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended > frequency range then or will you have to QSY? > And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? > Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? > It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however > with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: >> >> Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... >> >> The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and >> a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. >> >> 73 >> Joe VO1NA >> >> This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at >> http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php >> > > -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0E59B380000B2; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkH9D-0006uw-Tw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:00:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkH9D-0006uY-9G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:00:47 +0100 Received: from nm23-vm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.109.235]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkH9B-0003dG-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:00:46 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm23.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 16:00:44 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.244] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 16:00:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 16:00:44 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.com Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 32968.73374.bm@omp1009.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 27340 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2012 16:00:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1340899243; bh=MfJat80jGGT8TFb0FEwRLWgS/jxMWZY/re0R/2zNcQM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mlcjz/iSlA8GMn37UFAV2SdzRcAlyj9MtwgU7dPEP4pEHXDg9+cQbMp9po0n6BAwzF4Gp30pq7oqYcYW4O3+nAQTsmtquASuqLdikxXM2zE/zntRYf4njkDfycHRxzHNJkdzhb9GnVzvH50ag65irFAFUlybXeLWfx3EEkDmPxY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SVQ+UhNGhZ+/Vnygm+bJAgXDtAoOy2ShzHYRIPtsVf0r60uB6ibjnxJfPcMV7O2LPJX9cBsjbTeogNSrrsbnwJ65vum3qXzA4jf8KYjWNcic/7eoym6U5m+CIPWmWg9DBN2pvFN8v/SRUG+n4s49tITuMNk3xuD3dRGGNqJMDwQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 32dnt18VM1kjx9Y8E5_JpEdRkIDEKiKYVvVQLfmfZxzYt6b pklsfmPg_m0gEQWnoFFMZDVgBuXSL0qIBs6h7FwYxGpkYW9UHodrntyyt2uL 0oOiYgW9rzG6hE6VTFiQEQTT._78_lkF21cfVaoYrPmi7wMTEzCvx8EWqWgD 1wrQJYGOiCKmzNJH0aDsaqzUCnl5qs.zOLV.9CqFI2lDoO7iHVhckLC7ZA5M 4CIY5D7T_gI_3Jx_F7wViotd6hr1b3rRnrqkpfTogr6hxafySvF.uP9DyG67 cNWWH8hEF3myPubl.2XcBK2b6VsiLgsvqJo8q8Ybf5T9q46tjIst1C18e3q5 TNxHRo0JWTvYvtoZi8d_EkEMN2L.4PBAtcwTHvuydKiwX3k0U5gjGN_KoGs8 BNImwIsUCKqqMBCl7jf0kSJtoIB70TDIiJEKaE7MP3aMS5L8cf01dsZA4pne .5aV3v3zT6vl.bfKWyPaCH9.IJV4H5UBulNvf5cbvKXkr_r2JOn7Y Received: from [151.99.187.181] by web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:00:43 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1474092.1340466836144.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1340474829.4474.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340892687.85075.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340892873.80692.YahooMailNeo@web29505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4FEC7008.9010001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FEC76C8.9040700@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: <1340899243.16908.YahooMailNeo@web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:00:43 +0100 (BST) From: Daniele Tincani To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FEC76C8.9040700@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, your hand-sketched schematics (and also the way you built the antenna, etc.) look just like my idea of the final result I would like to obtain. BTW I still have some BF862s from my experiments with your VLF E-probe :-) I think I would try to replicate your example. 73 Daniele IZ5WWB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.235 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 60b21f5b7eb190e65b65540006a87038 Subject: Re: LF: Coupling a LF resonant ferrite rx antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="671563967-845364515-1340899243=:16908" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:422868032:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m419.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41094fec7fea7e72 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --671563967-845364515-1340899243=:16908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan, your hand-sketched schematics (and also the way you=A0built= =A0the antenna,=A0etc.)=A0look just like my idea of the final result I woul= d like to obtain. BTW I still have some BF862s from my experiments with you= r VLF E-probe :-) I think I would try to replicate your example.=0A73=0ADan= iele IZ5WWB=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A Da: Stefan Sch=E4f= er =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g =0AInviato: Gioved=EC 28 Giugno 2012 17:22=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Coupling a = LF resonant ferrite rx antenna=0A =0A=0A =0APS: For a 50 Ohm output, just = 2 or 3 turns on the out-coupling winding=0Awas the best choice for my ferri= te antenna.=0A=0AAm 28.06.2012 16:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: =0A Hi Dani= ele.=0A>=0A>If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer wor= ks well. =0A>=0A>Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, in= ductively=0Acoupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goe= s=0Adirectly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an=0Aoscillosc= ope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns=0Ato get a max= imum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly=0Adepends on the = position of this secondary winding on the coil. The=0Aimpedance becomes low= er when you come closer to the center of the rod. =0A>=0A>The will affect t= he Q of the resonated system. So you may build an=0Aarrangement which allow= s you to move and fix the secondary coil on the=0Arod. If the signal is str= ong enough, maybe from a nearby BCD station,=0Ayou can reduce the "gain" a = bit. I have done it similarly with my=0Aactive ferrite antenna, see https:/= /dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG=0A>=0A>= 73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A>=0A>=0A>Am 28.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Daniele Tincani: = =0A>Hello LF, =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferr= ite coil (abot=0A80=0Aturns of Litz wire over a bundle of=A0seven 20cmx1cm = rods). Nulling and=0Apeaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current = var cap, tuning=0Arange is about 160-650 kHz and could=A0easily be moved to= lower=0Afrequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have= only=0Amade some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the=0Ai= nternal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the antenna s= uitable also for=0Adirect connection with a 50 ohm input. What do you sugge= st: to add for=0Aexample a transformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))?= If a=0Atransformer is recommended, is it advisable to use the main coil as= the=0Aprimary winding? =0A>>=0A>>73 =0A>>Daniele IZ5WWB =0A>> --671563967-845364515-1340899243=:16908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Stefan, your hand-sketched schematics (and also the way you bu= ilt the antenna, etc.) look just like my idea of the final r= esult I would like to obtain. BTW I still have some BF862s from my experime= nts with your VLF E-probe :-) I think I would try to replicate your example= .
73
Daniele IZ5WWB

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Inviato: Gioved=EC 28 Giugno 2012 17:22
Oggetto: Re: LF: Coupling a LF reso= nant ferrite rx antenna

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=0APS: For a 50 Ohm output, just 2 or 3 turns on the out-coupling w= inding=0Awas the best choice for my ferrite antenna.
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=0AAm 28.06.= 2012 16:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer:=0A
=0A=0A = =0A =0AHi Daniele.
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=0AIf your RX is successful = enough, maybe a simple transformer works well.=0A
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=0AApply a = test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively=0Acoupling to t= he ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes=0Adirectly to the coax = of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an=0Aoscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input d= irectly. Adjust the number of turns=0Ato get a maximum signal voltage on th= e scope. The match also strongly=0Adepends on the position of this secondar= y winding on the coil. The=0Aimpedance becomes lower when you come closer t= o the center of the rod.
=0A
=0AThe will affect the Q of the reson= ated system. So you may build an=0Aarrangement which allows you to move and= fix the secondary coil on the=0Arod. If the signal is strong enough, maybe= from a nearby BCD station,=0Ayou can reduce the "gain" a bit. I have done = it similarly with my=0Aactive ferrite antenna, see=0A htt= ps://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG=
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=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC
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it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (ab= ot=0A80=0Aturns of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nu= lling and=0Apeaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, = tuning=0Arange is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower= =0Afrequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have only= =0Amade some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the=0Aintern= al ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for=0Adirect connectio= n with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for=0Aexample a transfor= mer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a=0Atransformer is recommended,= is it advisable to use the main coil as the=0Aprimary winding?
=0A =
 
=0A
73
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Daniele IZ5WWB
=0A =
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: You are forgetting about the USER. It depends where they are flying at the time, they might well be closer to an amateur transmission than the NDB and the amateur could be blocking the frequency. They are not just local approach nav aids. They are often picked up a few hundred miles away and used for cross checking and used more often than you think. g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 95c202c4948d9b6d0896e68e12fe8e98 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD4B08.BBC824D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:472259104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fdb50487090 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD4B08.BBC824D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are forgetting about the USER. It depends where they are flying at = the time, they might well be closer to an amateur transmission than the = NDB and the amateur could be blocking the frequency. They are not just local approach nav aids. They are often picked up a = few hundred miles away and used for cross checking and used more often = than you think.=20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:46 PM Subject: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 I agree with Mike: it's going to be a local problem.=20 Typical NDB service ranges are 50-100km and they run similar power = (50-500W) than we do.=20 It is very unlikely that we will ever cause any harm to an NDB that's = 500km and more away. So nothing to worry about in the UK, Belgium, Netherlands, = Westen-Germany, ... More east it may be wise to stay away from NDB's that are close. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Van: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] = namens graham787 [g0nbd@hotmail.com] Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 16:38 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 This is going to be a nightmare, more like a downhill slalom course = than a band allocation=20 Has anyone a graphic of the band and beacon allocations what shows = where the gaps are ? G.. --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison" = wrote: > > Guard bands for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as the = MCW=20 > receivers would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any=20 > interference from amateurs is likely to be extremely local. Our = small=20 > signal working is likely to suffer more QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs than = to=20 > them. >=20 > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > > Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz. > > Twelve of those have been logged from the UK. > > The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide detailed > > information on frequencies which should be avoided. It should be = borne > > in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of approx 400Hz and > > 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of specific slots to = be > > wary of. > >=20 > > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ > >=20 > > Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some form = of > > guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with NDBs? > >=20 > > 73s Tracey G5VU > __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (12)=20 Recent Activity: a.. 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You are forgetting about the USER. It depends = where they=20 are flying at the time, they might well be closer to an amateur = transmission=20 than the NDB and the amateur could be blocking the = frequency.
They are not just local approach nav aids. They = are=20 often picked up a few hundred miles away and used for = cross=20 checking and used more often than you think. 
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 = 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] = Re: Band=20 Planning for 472 Khz Band ?

  =

I agree with Mike: it's=  going=20 to be a local problem.

Typical NDB = service=20 ranges are 50-100km and they = run similar=20 power (50-500W) than we do.

It is very unlikely tha= t=20 we will = ever cause any harm=20 to an NDB that's 500km = and=20 more away.

So nothing=20 to worry about in the UK, Belgium, = Netherlands, Westen-Germany, ...

More east it may be<= /A> wise=20 = to stay away from NDB's&n= bsp;that=20 are close.

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - = OR7T

 

Van: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] namens graham787=20 [g0nbd@hotmail.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012=20 16:38
Aan: = rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Onderwerp:=20 [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band = ?

 =20

This is going to be a nightmare, more like a downhill slalom course = than a=20 band allocation

Has anyone a graphic of the band and beacon=20 allocations what shows where the gaps are ?

G..

--- In = rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison"=20 <mike.dennison@...> wrote:
>
> Guard bands for all = 27 listed=20 NDBs would present a problem as the MCW
> receivers would be at = least=20 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any
> interference from amateurs is = likely to=20 be extremely local. Our small
> signal working is likely to = suffer more=20 QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs than to
> them.
>
> Mike,=20 G3XDV
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> > = Twenty-seven NDBs have been=20 logged in Europe between 472-479kHz.
> > Twelve of those have = been=20 logged from the UK.
> > The NDB database on the Classaxe web = site=20 would provide detailed
> > information on frequencies which = should be=20 avoided. It should be borne
> > in mind that the NDBs use A2 = mode=20 with a mix of approx 400Hz and
> > 1020Hz modulation, so = there are a=20 good number of specific slots to be
> > wary of.
> > =
> > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/
> > =
>=20 > Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some = form=20 of
> > guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems = with=20 NDBs?
> >
> > 73s Tracey = G5VU
>

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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD4B08.BBC824D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5041538000095; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 03:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgAHM-0004uj-Li for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:52:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgAHM-0004ua-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:52:12 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgAHI-0005ll-M0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:52:10 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoOAI+L3U9cF/9d/2dsb2JhbABFigaqHQEBAoEsgQiCEwUBAQQBCAEBAxoLASMCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQEJJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd1CbdcizhLGoEdgR6DGwOID4U0l16CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,425,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="38794921" Received: from host-92-23-255-93.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.255.93]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jun 2012 08:52:07 +0100 Message-ID: <001501cd4c5e$14aea8c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000a01cd4c0e$aa4abbd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FDD10BF.3050208@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:52:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jan But a good operator will TUNE the band for replies to a CQ and not just listen on one frequency especially QSX procedure. When I CQ on 500 I also QSX 472 - 479 ie Search the band for any replies. also when I QSX 7033 I always search around the frequency. To me this is normal procedure 73 and tnx for advising DK7FC to look around for me !! He never would have found me otherwise !! You are a good signal on 500 anytime of day/night and hear me all the time so the DL stns should hear me daytime as well for a qso. [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 9ca91679b330d65f05d707c2d2b164fe Subject: Re: LF: 477 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:490938848:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814fdd8d0347fb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jan But a good operator will TUNE the band for replies to a CQ and not just listen on one frequency especially QSX procedure. When I CQ on 500 I also QSX 472 - 479 ie Search the band for any replies. also when I QSX 7033 I always search around the frequency. To me this is normal procedure 73 and tnx for advising DK7FC to look around for me !! He never would have found me otherwise !! You are a good signal on 500 anytime of day/night and hear me all the time so the DL stns should hear me daytime as well for a qso. Will be chasing EU dx today Sunday and searching 472 - 479 for replies also EU stns pse search 501 - 504 for G23KEV De Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pa3abk" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: 477 > Mal, > > Consider this as how things are within the EU. > Stefan is initially listening on 477,5 he has his computer (WebSDR) on > 502, you were calling 501,7 (I guess) > How many more variables you want to get things wrong. > I took the liberty to "sneaky" advise him to have a look at your desires :-) > He instantly responded. > > We have the luxery of two MF bands. > Don't think our "Behrde" will act rapidly until 31/12 when the present > license expires. > It's a matter of costs. > Meanwhile I see a lot of DL stations becoming QRV with nice sigs. > What more do we want? > > Your QSO with Stefan, his sigs peaked around S-8 here, looks vy > promissing with only 50W under his key. > As he explained, he is quite "new" and his RX bandpass is not tuned to > the highband MF. > Nevertheless his efforts and enthousiasm should not be curbed. > > Jan/pa3abk > > On 17-6-2012 0:23, mal hamilton wrote: > > DK7FC calling CQ but no reply to my call on 502 SAME OLD PROBLEM HE > > HAS NO EARS on this band either !!!!!!!!!!! > > de g3kev > > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7DC423800008F; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdm59-00049A-Po for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:37:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdm59-000491-4B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:37:43 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sdm56-0000x1-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:37:42 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFACba1E9cHnw2/2dsb2JhbABEgkWyFIEIghMFAQEFCAEBAyApAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQoeBxQBBBoGDQkIBhMKAQICAQGHfrcfiyeFaQOIDYUxl1uCYIFf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,385,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="389019782" Received: from host-92-30-124-54.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.124.54]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Jun 2012 18:37:39 +0100 Message-ID: <003101cd472f$b96d1060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <000001cd461f$4d2fef50$e78fcdf0$@com> <005e01cd4621$e0d34660$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <01bc01cd4623$557e9090$007bb1b0$@com> <4FD4D08A.6070408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:37:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Terry Where does the audio amp business come from. DK7FC is always on BEACON mode, no chance of a QSO there. QSO only via Telephone or email. He cannot hear me although my signal is audible/visible in the USA to the west and Russia to the East. g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 1071da3933cc71afd2b8c5f341fb2b80 Subject: LF: Re: GW0EZY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD472F.B93648F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498051072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fd4dbab569f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD472F.B93648F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Terry Where does the audio amp business come from. DK7FC is always on BEACON = mode, no chance of a QSO there. QSO only via Telephone or email. He cannot hear me although my signal is audible/visible in the USA to = the west and Russia to the East. g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: LF: GW0EZY Terry,=20 What kind ogf antenna will you use and what is the L of your coil? = Will you start using QRO or will you use the audio amp in the first = attempt? The latest LF activities are very encouraging and i think we = could go to a positive circle to increase activity on that band. = Furthermore you may be in a very good position to try to leave a signal = in Venezuela. The last days there was no chance for me to leave a trace there but = now Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and bought some parts for a loop = antenna, so we will go on there very soon! When will you come on air? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 09.06.2012 11:36, schrieb Terry GW0EZY:=20 I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very = rusty!! I see you QSX 7033 for 502 - do you do the same for 136?? 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 10:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now Thanks Terry. Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in = CW where information can be exchanged in a few minutes. Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on = LF. There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly = strong and both ends have suitable antennas.=20 73 es GL de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry GW0EZY=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV = !! Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40 To: rsgb Cc: rsgb Subject: LF: 136.5 now LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD472F.B93648F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Terry
Where does the audio amp business come from. DK7FC is always on BEACON mode, no chance = of a QSO=20 there. QSO only via Telephone or email.
He cannot hear me although my signal is = audible/visible in=20 the USA to the west and Russia to the East.
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 4:51 PM
Subject: LF: GW0EZY

Terry,

What kind ogf antenna will you use and = what is=20 the L of your coil? Will you start using QRO or will you use the audio = amp in=20 the first attempt? The latest LF activities are very encouraging and i = think=20 we could go to a positive circle to increase activity on that band.=20 Furthermore you may be in a very good position to try to leave a = signal in=20 Venezuela.
The last days there was no chance for me to leave a = trace there=20 but now Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and bought some parts for a = loop=20 antenna, so we will go on there very soon!
When will you come on=20 air?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 09.06.2012 11:36, schrieb Terry = GW0EZY:=20

I=20 am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very=20 rusty!!

I=20 see you QSX 7033 for 502 =96 do you do the same for=20 136??

73=20 Terry

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012=20 10:26
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Subject:=20 LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now

Thanks=20 Terry.

Join in.=20 I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW where=20 information can be exchanged in a few = minutes.

Around EU=20 CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. There = is no=20 need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong and both = ends=20 have suitable antennas.

73 es GL=20 de mal/g3kev

----- = Original=20 Message -----

From: Terry GW0EZY =

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: = Saturday, June=20 09, 2012 9:07 AM

Subject: LF: = RE: 136.5=20 now

Nice=20 to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV=20 !!

Mal=20 your RST 589 Mike your RST 579.

73=20 Terry

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012=20 09:40
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb
Subject: LF: = 136.5=20 now

LF

Now CQ=20 on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call

de=20 g3kev

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD472F.B93648F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B19A4380000A3; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShkUV-0000Vb-6B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:44:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShkUU-0000VS-IP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:44:18 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShkUR-0000nz-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:44:17 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAHVI409cF/EU/2dsb2JhbAArGoJFgxOaLwOVSIEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMWJg0CJgYBAQMFAgEBAhEEAQEKIQICFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBCgSHXgMGCQcppneTAIpLY4ULgRIDjUiSZAOEfIJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,452,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395634810" Received: from host-92-23-241-20.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.241.20]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2012 17:44:12 +0100 Message-ID: <00c801cd4fcd$164011c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:44:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete I have a DVB-T cardbus and I expect this would also work maybe better than the usb stick. Do not know what the chipset is de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 49da477724dcbe37f1e9a7ff55a3b02e Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C5_01CD4FCD.16094A50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437352544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4fe34fab1439 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01CD4FCD.16094A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete I have a DVB-T cardbus and I expect this would also work maybe better = than the usb stick. Do not know what the chipset is de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app and = ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 = (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from = UK source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter = 60meg O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator = 5v into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no = sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the = USB supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 = http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR = software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the = programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting = software for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to = get started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link to = sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time = to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01CD4FCD.16094A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Pete
I have a DVB-T cardbus and I expect this would = also work=20 maybe better than the usb stick. Do not know what the chipset = is
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 = 6:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

Hi=20 all
Save=20 those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they will = be around. Try=20 HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  BorIP=20 app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultra-cheap=20 Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB = stick.
These=20 DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK = source and cover about=20 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the cheap way = or=20 expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or similar = block=20 mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF = coverage=20 for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.=20
Oh=20 and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with=20 record facility and all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80=99s = not enough all=20 your local FM BC as well.  Not a=20 lot of people know that!
URLs=20 apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
https://= www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6dd= o/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You=20 won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. = :0)
Yy=20 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, = 20 June=20 2012, 18:40
Subject: Re: LF:=20 SDR programs

Hi Piotr,

Thanks for the = overview of=20 programs. That's what i searched for.
But maybe i have expressed = wrongly=20 what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not = only for=20 IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ = and=20 mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus = :-) )=20 answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i=20 think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi Stefan, = LF
>=20
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The primary = supporting=20 software for all their sdr  hardware is Spectravue.
> you = can=20 download this program from the rfspace site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult=20 to get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it = you will=20 like it:)
>
> on a "support" page of = www.rfspace.com  you=20 will also find a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
>
>  = they have a=20 very powerful radio console which looks like a regular transceiver = front=20 side
>  It has many many different options - of course, it = does=20 take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather = easy..
>=20
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and=20 easy to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr = software=20 supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of = sdr=20 programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                  =  =20                     =  =20                     =  =20         yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: = Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
>
>=20



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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, I can offer a sked, but what sort of transmission do you want? Your CW sigs are very good again today with less static - see the picture on my new activity blog: http://g3xdv.blog.com The picture shows DCF39 only a little stronger than you - this is rubbish of course, as that station was leaking round my CW filter. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.49 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: c1f72e5acb1277e013f90c915ad7ad68 Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:320977184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fd1fd9d37a7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, I can offer a sked, but what sort of transmission do you want? Your CW sigs are very good again today with less static - see the picture on my new activity blog: http://g3xdv.blog.com The picture shows DCF39 only a little stronger than you - this is rubbish of course, as that station was leaking round my CW filter. 73 de Mike ======== > Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and > experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and > shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ > (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49FV26GJ). If someone of the > others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some > images to > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html > Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I > will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0991F380000B9; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkKM7-00087Z-Hp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:26:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkKM7-00087Q-0u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:26:19 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkKM5-0005Ll-1o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:26:17 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.30.111]) by mwinf5d68 with ME id TvSG1j00G2PqlUa03vSGHW; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:26:16 +0200 Message-ID: <125127A1ED664E6CA87802D385795C66@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <05d3d5e3bc614c2a8de1c7665bc3e36a@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:26:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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From: Walter Staubach Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:14 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 91e1efbff209cbddb14bc9e018c2cfe8 Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01CD556C.44A89420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493197152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fecb00d70e3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CD556C.44A89420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Make a nice Opera TX , all we need to do now is to get J to = put the QSO mode back ... =20 From: Walter Staubach=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:14 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Sri, Uwe, for wrong reading. But QRP has a chance too :-) 73 Walter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Walter, 1W output means abt 0.006W ERP. what a difference to your 1W ERP! GL Uwe/dj8wx -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 19:10 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Uwe, DJ2LF and DK6NI do not use more than 1W ERP. Maybe your QTH has = lower noise than ours here near Erlangen. We will meet - i am sure. But sri. 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in jo43sv. the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz. the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn. so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient. GL Uwe/dj89wx -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 06:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into = a schematic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CD556C.44A89420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Make a  nice  Opera  TX , all  we  = need =20 to  do now is to  get  J to  put the  QSO  = mode  back ... 

Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12=20 VDC

Sri, Uwe, for wrong reading. But QRP = has a chance=20 too :-)
73
Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de =
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 = 7:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 = kHz PA=20 running at 12 VDC

Hi=20 Walter,
1W output means abt 0.006W ERP.
what a difference to = your 1W=20 ERP!
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Gesendet:=20 28.06.2012 19:10
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Betreff:=20 Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Uwe, DJ2LF = and DK6NI do=20 not use more than 1W ERP. Maybe your QTH has lower noise than ours = here near=20 Erlangen.
We will meet = - i am=20 sure. But sri.
73   Walter=20 DJ2LF
 
----- Original Message -----
From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de =
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, = June 28, 2012=20 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: = RE: 472 kHz=20 PA running at 12 VDC

Hi all,

last = two nights=20 on the air:
oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in = jo43sv.

the=20 rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz.

the = above=20 stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn.

so the ears here are OK = but the=20 output pwr of 1W seems = insufficient.

GL
Uwe/dj89wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Gesendet:=20 28.06.2012 06:35
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Betreff:=20 LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone=20 is interested i may convert the=20 = circuit from my mind into= a=20 schematic as a png file.

 

Always interested=20 ;-)

 

73,=20 Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T

------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CD556C.44A89420-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BB714380000B6; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbv75-0006Ao-JA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:52:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbv75-0006Af-34 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:52:03 +0100 Received: from mail-yw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.213.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbv73-0002l3-6X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:52:01 +0100 Received: by yhkk6 with SMTP id k6so7512348yhk.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:51:59 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=V1bo/K2+6sWPT89PgCOy0rndTL6ppeVNWGFfROuIWfk=; b=SKy6fnWlbL2NE0GOy3nqgrHjhLmN4PNlfKuYFw0uwRWXngSdcUK5vt5R5rz0S7VLly /+R9Xv2UpgknOEX+F+/iYfPV7tnzvjoEA7gEhx9c43GReG9vh6RyzkNegGOpyQLLdD1a 37Groqge+byvjkDUHItBEFYChfkRvGxYTMHzqXGwlCy7YJ1oZxJANeEzh0FXngdsas59 fAvOd+rTiJmkoRmLpj30RvP/a9yqr09O1K5+Lj0qbKkiaGC7wFCv29NkzxFWt+8twRKc 1lw1sAdOB7fJzOZHCd82bfVxkznutCEF3NNoHJaD6MhyI0WSOTygXC88TAYAINgL4v+q mtQw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.14.41 with SMTP id m9mr16532188oec.57.1338907897569; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 07:51:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00df01cd4329$0e776c00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <008101cd4316$964358f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00df01cd4329$0e776c00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:51:37 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Just cleared it Mal and also set it up as unmoderated. Best to e-mail me directly if you need some help (g3wkl@btinternet.com) - I've had to come in from the veg patch as the rain has reached us. 73 John, G3WKL [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.213.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 4e28719a46cd3d69582e1b8d1c614db3 Subject: Re: LF: vote Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1fac09f20b104c1bac955 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486866784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-a405.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ca4fce1d4b7e8c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8fb1fac09f20b104c1bac955 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just cleared it Mal and also set it up as unmoderated. Best to e-mail me directly if you need some help (g3wkl@btinternet.com) - I've had to come in from the veg patch as the rain has reached us. 73 John, G3WKL On 5 June 2012 15:39, mal hamilton wrote: > ** > John > Just signed in again and it says membership pending !! > de mal/g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John Gould > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:14 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: vote > > Mal, > > I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. I've > also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means that you do > hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership of the > RSGB_LF_Group list (yet). > > 73 John, G3WKL > > On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton wrote: > >> ** >> John >> I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open to me in spite of being >> able to log in >> I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors going and this will satisfy >> all concerned. >> My main objection was the way the transition suddenly took place without >> proper consultation. >> I would suggest everyone votes openly on both reflectors, to avoid lock >> outs like we are hearing about from several others. >> >> de mal/g3kev >> >> > > --e89a8fb1fac09f20b104c1bac955 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just cleared it Mal and also set it up as unmoderated. =A0Best to e-mail me= directly if you need some help (g3= wkl@btinternet.com) - I've had to come in from the veg patch as the= rain has reached us.

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 J= une 2012 15:39, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wro= te:
John
Just signed in again and it says membership pendi= ng=20 !!
de mal/g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:14= =20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: vote

Mal,

I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list= .=20 =A0I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means t= hat=20 you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership= of the=20 RSGB_LF_Group list (yet).

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton <g3k= evmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not o= pen to me=20 in spite of being able to log in
I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors= going=20 and this will satisfy all concerned.
My main objection was the way the transition= =20 suddenly=A0took place without proper consultation.
I would suggest everyone votes openly on both= =20 reflectors, to avoid lock outs like we are hearing about from several= =20 others.
=A0
de mal/g3kev
=A0

=

--e89a8fb1fac09f20b104c1bac955-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 40621380000AA; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sinlo-0006EV-Ea for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:26:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sinln-0006EM-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:26:31 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sinlm-00026k-9Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:26:30 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroGACQj509cHYH5/2dsb2JhbABEg0GcaAOVSoEIgg8EFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEGAR05AQQaBggcHQECAgEBh36XX6AdkTUDiBWFNpdkgl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,467,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="385721501" Received: from host-92-29-129-249.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.249]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2012 15:26:29 +0100 Message-ID: <003f01cd5215$5690bf50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:26:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few are listening or transmitting even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have advantages. Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all of Germany would be calling. [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 66d07794ca19cd68f7d6cc289cd4ac18 Subject: LF: QUIET LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD5215.56233070" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445160288:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fe723cc3af2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD5215.56233070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few are = listening or transmitting even the majority of DX grabbers are switched = off Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have = advantages. Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all of = Germany would be calling. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD5215.56233070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
At this time of year there is propagation on = both LF es MF=20 but few are listening or transmitting even the majority of DX grabbers = are=20 switched off
Lack of activity is the problem although the = winter does=20 have advantages.
Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - = 479. I=20 thought all of Germany would be calling.
 
de mal/g3kev
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All Opera now 500 RX QRG! Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX Hi All Opera now 500 RX QRG! 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Hi All
=
 
Opera now 500 RX QRG!
=
 
Bread board single ended Stefan/ R= ik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS hope most of the 30watts going up the a= nt!!!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
---357169082-992553664-1341006419=:32377-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A5C1538000087; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkuMq-0005bC-Vp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:53:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkuMq-0005b1-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:53:28 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkuMo-00051M-2g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:53:27 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews26.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.192]) by cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:53:25 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.21]) by cpsps-ews26.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:53:24 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:53:24 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEECC94.50708@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:53:24 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FEE172B.1050002@virgilio.it> <4FEE1E65.405@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEE1E65.405@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2012 09:53:24.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[30DD9400:01CD56A6] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 29-6-2012 23:30, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > ..... > > These parts must be 50 years old or so. I find 3.95 Euro extremely cheap > Cheap? 100x for just €6 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=472khz&_sacat=0 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.15 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 1f795a2ee1ecd56682b47ad11969b3d3 Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:442847936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4feeccc51346 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none On 29-6-2012 23:30, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > ..... > > These parts must be 50 years old or so. I find 3.95 Euro extremely cheap > Cheap? 100x for just €6 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=472khz&_sacat=0 I know, I just compare apples with oranges... :-) Jan/pa3abk -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 67034380000BF; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si1cE-0004qX-Js for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:01:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si1cE-0004qO-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:01:26 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si1cC-0003Ab-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:01:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.16]) by mwinf5d26 with ME id RP1N1j00A0LrbAy03P1Nsg; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:01:23 +0200 Message-ID: <0A95C758FACE461EB248D3CE5650202E@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> <6FDC0CECCC3645EB922AF21E66965518@AGB> <90E09B502D3D481992365586D42423DA@AGB> <5D772617FCC94283913EDABE7CB175FE@gnat> <5D44E645126C4841A77C08064C39E92C@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:01:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: oK Alan This would be the lay-out, the lower run would be about 10 ft up from the raised radial , which may increase the ae amps in the vertical section ? when you say , reduce the affective height , ....... top wire is still at 40 ft , far end of the top wire slopes to ground as is , [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 5bc6e377a7e48238fb2d1143b58fab98 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD506E.BDCD37A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81658 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:381841440:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574fe450d01b7d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD506E.BDCD37A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_004C_01CD506E.BDCD37A0" ------=_NextPart_001_004C_01CD506E.BDCD37A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oK Alan This would be the lay-out, the lower run would be about 10 ft = up from the raised radial , which may increase the ae amps in the = vertical section ? when you say , reduce the affective height , ....... top wire is = still at 40 ft , far end of the top wire slopes to ground as = is , =20 This may increase the amps to ground , at the far end of the top = wire , then cause the vertical section feed to increase ? G. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:22 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Grahan .mmmmm 10 feet?? that could reduce your effective height to = 10feet makingi it 6dB (maybe not quite that bad) worse than the 40 foot = pole on its own. The only plus point would be if that "radial" gives you = a substantial reduction in ground loss.....which I doubt is the case.=20 Seriously you do need to measure it to get the best out of a difficult = situation.......no amount of urban myth will give the right answer. = Remember higher "aerial current" is no use if its going straight to = ground (like a shunt cap across the feed point) and not traversing the = radiation resistance. You want as much current as possible to flow = though the radiation resistance (the vertical bit connected to the feed = point) then you want a big cap (=3Dlow impedance) from the top of the = loading coil to earth for the "return current" (low loss resistance) = Not a very technical way of describing it :-)) even capacitance from = the active pole to ground gives some loss....the inductive top load = reduces that by reducing the voltage on that section. Alan ------=_NextPart_001_004C_01CD506E.BDCD37A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
oK Alan
 
This  would be the  lay-out, the  lower  = run =20 would  be  about   10  ft  up  from=20 the   raised  radial , which may  increase  the = ae amps=20 in the  vertical section ?
when you   say  , reduce the  affective  = height ,=20 .......  top  wire  is  still  at   = 40 =20 ft  , far end of the  top  wire  slopes to =20 ground  as is ,  
 
This  may  increase the  amps  to  = ground  ,=20 at the  far end of the  top  wire , then  cause = the =20 vertical   section  feed  to  increase ?
 
 
 
G.
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Grahan .mmmmm 10 feet?? that could = reduce your=20 effective height to 10feet makingi it 6dB (maybe not quite that = bad) worse=20 than the 40 foot pole on its own. The only plus point would be if that = "radial"=20 gives you a substantial reduction in ground loss.....which I doubt is = the case.=20
 
Seriously you do need to measure it to = get the best=20 out of a difficult situation.......no amount of urban myth will give the = right=20 answer. Remember higher "aerial current" is no use if its going straight = to=20 ground (like a shunt cap across the feed point) and not traversing the = radiation=20 resistance. You want as much current as possible to flow though the = radiation resistance (the vertical bit connected to the feed point) then = you=20 want a big cap (=3Dlow impedance) from the top of the loading coil =  to earth=20 for the "return current" (low loss resistance)  Not a very = technical way of=20 describing it :-))  even capacitance from the active pole to ground = gives=20 some loss....the inductive top load reduces that by reducing the voltage = on that=20 section.
 
Alan
 
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0MM2cS-1SeVLs2gIe-0080KG; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:30:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:30:28 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:Yl1qtzU3Ke0tPaC4T69OeTiaBqPkCxn8Jd+fRcAxFFD kRvQfmrLrgpyvUaox6dvyFHlL2Z2Tmli6pSvgR/k7Pff1QMHDn qlFE6Sd8bOw8qlzHxYpYWyxh7n+MAiz/VhpJqsO8+GnvThHfPY sn6ZNl3oS2yST/MWkSNU6gbLUSJ/LwCm6imcXSodIBGrjaiyfK 2ECzbbWckFJAI0FbIZ2x0l+jY5Pc4w9C7dQC3YOO86tDL1hYZ/ 9L1N20StC48Tm99reNPuZTXg30Q4+k18iI1jpqYk4BmgYAFO5R 8iYjcsYHveJLIO6/OGmhYoNL1rHUryZbN2Nl5o9yXMwF+Kbouu hu89QVr75azQ5I3mMaUFHfPCW29+oK/eioRxI7hba X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alberto, You wrote: > ... > Too many times when I was searching for postings that could be useful for me for > one or another reason, I sorely felt the lack of a searchable archive on the old > and outdated reflector. > ... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475920160:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fcb9f611ca0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Alberto, You wrote: > ... > Too many times when I was searching for postings that could be useful for me for > one or another reason, I sorely felt the lack of a searchable archive on the old > and outdated reflector. > ... I'm running Beagle on Gnome for indexing and search for any kind of information stored locally. Postings, images and other "information" which are "Googleable" or "Yapooable" will be more a problem than a feature in the future. There's only one advantage using those modern, advertisement driven open systems. You always have to keep in mind: "don't post when coming from pub." So, please tell me what is "outdated" here? Respice finem. Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B67063800009F; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkIEM-00076W-90 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:10:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkIEL-00076N-HW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:10:09 +0100 Received: from mailout09.t-online.de ([194.25.134.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkIEJ-00049S-Nq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:10:08 +0100 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de (fwd05.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout09.t-online.de with smtp id 1SkIEI-0006bR-57; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:10:06 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (rXAB6eZLYh6lQBhRQkAhrXHXZPO951-+9uOqkJH1YGoagl+4rOofPpYiJ6LGnpcgdY@[84.147.160.185]) by fwd05.t-online.de with esmtp id 1SkIED-2KGLoG0; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:10:01 +0200 Message-ID: <28D37C008B9C45AC982DAAA95BA3E4F4@standard9dmup1> From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <2cf96a2ade514f53b8ce121dbfc0ee98@kabelmail.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:10:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: rXAB6eZLYh6lQBhRQkAhrXHXZPO951-+9uOqkJH1YGoagl+4rOofPpYiJ6LGnpcgdY X-TOI-MSGID: 068adde6-8e53-49c9-9a57-69050043879e X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Uwe, DJ2LF and DK6NI do not use more than 1W ERP. Maybe your QTH has lower noise than ours here near Erlangen. We will meet - i am sure. But sri. 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message ----- From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.84 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: f1284eec928b6c66f973fc41cf683e42 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5561.9D71EC10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487002784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4fec90431c6b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5561.9D71EC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Uwe, DJ2LF and DK6NI do not use more than 1W ERP. Maybe your QTH has = lower noise than ours here near Erlangen. We will meet - i am sure. But sri. 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in jo43sv. the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz. the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn. so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient. GL Uwe/dj89wx -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 06:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a = schematic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5561.9D71EC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Uwe, DJ2LF and DK6NI do not use more = than 1W ERP.=20 Maybe your QTH has lower noise than ours here near = Erlangen.
We will meet - i am sure. But = sri.
73   Walter = DJ2LF
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de =
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 = 4:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA = running=20 at 12 VDC

Hi all,

last two = nights on=20 the air:
oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in = jo43sv.

the rx=20 antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz.

the above = stns=20 called CQ but didnt hear my stn.

so the ears here are OK but = the output=20 pwr of 1W seems insufficient.

GL
Uwe/dj89wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Gesendet:=20 28.06.2012 06:35
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Betreff:=20 LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone=20 is interested i may convert the=20 = circuit from my mind into= a=20 schematic as a png file.

 

Always interested=20 ;-)

 

73,=20 Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5561.9D71EC10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D1A6F380000B8; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjtMZ-000154-3c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:36:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjtMY-00014v-Kr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:36:58 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjtMW-0005BS-W7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:36:57 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews17.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.183]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:36:56 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.24]) by cpsps-ews17.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:36:55 +0200 Received: from acer ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:36:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01cd5472$4cb66840$0402a8c0@acer> From: "henny" To: References: <4FEB1172.4070506@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:36:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2012 14:36:55.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CCEF950:01CD5472] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Tu for the capture Stefan, Henny pa3cpm best 73's ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:58 PM Subject: LF: PA3CPM [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: LF: Re: PA3CPM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497731104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864feb1ac65522 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Tu for the capture Stefan, Henny pa3cpm best 73's ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:58 PM Subject: LF: PA3CPM > LF, > > PA3CPM, massive signal, white on black :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5095 - Release Date: 06/26/12 18:34:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 859BF38000095; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 07:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scaei-00014J-82 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:13:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scaeh-00014A-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:13:31 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scaef-0001C3-Tu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:13:30 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIJADKM0E9cF/pn/2dsb2JhbAArGol9qHEEgSqBCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDJQEjAg8XBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHdQkHKbhRix1Egi+DFQOIDYUwklmFAYJggVYF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,730,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="374644187" Received: from host-92-23-250-103.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.250.103]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 12:13:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:13:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also EI0CF many times during the winter months. I work QSO mode only and no beacons. I have also had some QSO'S with Russian stations, they call me on 7033 and I reply on 502 normally although I have vfo control. I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 but not SLOWER When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will end next January Mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451746400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fd08d123286 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also EI0CF many times during the winter months. I work QSO mode only and no beacons. I have also had some QSO'S with Russian stations, they call me on 7033 and I reply on 502 normally although I have vfo control. I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 but not SLOWER When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will end next January Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:45 AM Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > Hi Joe, LF, > > Yes, we're here of course :-) > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy > narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when > the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended > frequency range then or will you have to QSY? > And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? > Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? > It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however > with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: > > > > Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... > > > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and > > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. > > > > 73 > > Joe VO1NA > > > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at > > http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 812AC38000147; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShoTV-0001nI-CD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:59:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShoTU-0001n6-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:59:32 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShoTS-0003tK-7N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:59:31 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.63]) by mwinf5d55 with ME id R8zT1j00U1MiB3W038zTop; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:59:28 +0200 Message-ID: <90E09B502D3D481992365586D42423DA@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> <6FDC0CECCC3645EB922AF21E66965518@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:59:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120621-0, 21/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: R Alan, Down to one of Mr Hobson's fine designs here , the under slung wire , would be the simplest to arrange , say it ran 10 ft above a 90 ft elevated ground radial , now would that xtra C , increase the amp's in the vertical section , the other side of the top coil ...? 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Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0193_01CD4FF9.20977420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81642 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:404539552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594fe38b91280c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0193_01CD4FF9.20977420 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0194_01CD4FF9.20977420" ------=_NextPart_001_0194_01CD4FF9.20977420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R Alan, Down to one of Mr Hobson's fine designs here , the under = slung wire , would be the simplest to arrange , say it ran 10 = ft above a 90 ft elevated ground radial , now would that xtra = C , increase the amp's in the vertical section , the other side = of the top coil ...? Other wise its ,just possible to run 90 deg about 20 feet , 90 = then down , at the far end =20 I tune using a swr meter , usually get a sharp dip with the = variometer , but I also have a old 1000 pf 4 gang clipped , = low over the auto transformer , that is handy , just takes the = final 'ref down and as its low , there is no flash over , bit = like a band-spread on a rx oscillator coil=20 Testing wise , luckily , I can reach the Delft web-sdr in the day = time , so can do s/n checks at range using ROS-MF-2 , the = s/n is the average along the time line , so quite accurate =20 Still raining =20 73 -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather here either :-(( The problem with unconventional "shapes" is you will have to just try = 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing ground loss as the most = effective use of time and effort. Best done by measurement, and not = urban myths :-)) Thats why I always plug a simple transformer coupled = bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges have never = worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also = like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-)) I feel = closer to the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, = even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I = learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" right. It is the classic = substitution measurement with passive references. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? R Alan. Horizontal spread ......missing at the moment ... will have = another look out side , when the rain stops , horizontal open = box may be possible ..just=20 Tnx -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter too much :-)) The thing is to get as much wire as high as possible. Yes fold it = back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 feet dont add much over a = single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce = the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly = the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) = will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to = increase the radiation resistance. Your diagram is difficult to read but running one of the wires = directly under another will be of no benefit and may be worse than not = having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at least = 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the idea. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: LF: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Any thoughts on the best configuration for the top wire ?? Tnx -G, ------=_NextPart_001_0194_01CD4FF9.20977420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
R Alan,
 
Down to   one of  Mr  Hobson's   = fine =20 designs  here ,   the  under slung   = wire  ,=20 would  be the  simplest to  arrange ,   = say =20 it  ran  10  ft  above  a  90  = ft =20 elevated  ground  radial  , now would =20 that  xtra  C  , increase the  amp's  in = the =20 vertical  section  , the  other  side  of = the =20 top  coil ...?
 
Other  wise  its ,just possible  to  run  = 90=20 deg  about   20 feet  , 90  then  down , = at=20 the  far  end 
 
I tune using  a  swr meter  , usually  get = a =20 sharp  dip  with the  variometer  , but  = I =20 also  have a  old   1000  pf   4 gang = clipped  , low over the  auto  transformer , that  = is handy=20 , just  takes  the  final 'ref   down  = and =20 as its  low , there  is  no  flash  over , = bit =20 like a  band-spread on a  rx oscillator  coil
 
Testing  wise , luckily  , I can  reach the  = Delft=20 web-sdr   in the  day  time  , so  = can =20 do  s/n  checks  at  range using =20 ROS-MF-2    , the  s/n  is the  = average =20 along  the  time  line , so  quite  = accurate =20
 
Still  raining 
 
73 -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:59 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather = here either=20 :-((
The problem with unconventional = "shapes" is you=20 will have to just try 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing = ground=20 loss as the most effective use of time and effort. Best done by = measurement,=20 and not urban myths :-))  Thats why I always plug a simple = transformer=20 coupled bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges = have never=20 worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also = like=20 bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-))  I feel = closer to=20 the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, even if I = dont=20 get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I learnt to sense = when the=20 measurement "feels" right. It is the classic substitution measurement = with=20 passive references.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 6:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top = wire=20 config - Best Option ??

R Alan.
 
Horizontal  spread  ......missing  at the  = moment=20 ...  will  have  another  look  out  = side =20 , when the  rain  stops ,  horizontal   = open =20 box may  be  possible ..just
 
Tnx -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter = too=20 much  :-))
The thing is to get as much wire as = high as=20 possible. Yes fold it back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 = feet dont=20 add much over a single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember = this may=20 reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase = slightly=20 the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage=20 points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to=20 ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) will = probably=20 halve you ground losses. It will do very little to increase the = radiation=20 resistance.
 
Your diagram is difficult to read but = running one=20 of the wires directly under another will be of no benefit and may be = worse=20 than not having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull = it at=20 least 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the=20 idea.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 4:17=20 PM
Subject: LF: InV L Top wire = config -=20 Best Option ??

InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best = Option=20 ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  configuration  = for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
Tnx -G,
 
 
 
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Content preview: and me too, Stefan tks in adv Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 12:49 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Stefan, me too, pse. 73 Walter DJ2LF [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 HTML_NONELEMENT_30_40 BODY: 30% to 40% of HTML elements are non-standard X-Scan-Signature: ab7de7439a3fce0b74220375dc6f18e8 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----D44055B3A3C542ABA4A868A66A5A6AC5" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME, PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fec618511d6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------D44055B3A3C542ABA4A868A66A5A6AC5 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and me too, Stefan tks in adv Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 12:49 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: LF: Re: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Stefan, me too, pse=2E 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 To:=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:33 AM Subject: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > MF, > > For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that op= erates=20 > at 12 V DC=2E Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX ca= n be=20 > used (set to 160m / 1=2E9 MHz) to drive the PA=2E The input power mu= st not=20 > exceed the range of 1=2E=2E=2E4 watts=2E The output power can be swi= tched in 2=20 > steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output impedance= and=20 > input voltage (10=2E=2E=2E15V)=2E The output impedance is not so cri= tical, Z=3DR may=20 > be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity=2E The FETs are IRFZ48N types,= the=20 > driver is a ICL7667CPA=2E The transformer uses RF litz wire, 30x0=2E= 1mm=20 > diameter=2E I didn't spend to much effort for optimising the efficie= ncy, not=20 > at this power level=2E During a CW QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF po= wer the=20 > heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm=2E > The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF po= wer=2E=2E=20 > The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this measur= ement=2E > > If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into= a=20 > schematic as a png file=2E > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > https://dl=2Edropbox=2Ecom/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015= W%2B100W=2EJPG > > ------D44055B3A3C542ABA4A868A66A5A6AC5 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
and me too, Stefan
tks in adv
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 12:49
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: LF: Re: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Stefan,
me too, pse=2E
73
Walter DJ2LF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Schäfer"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:33 AM
Subject: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC


> MF,
>
> For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that = operates
> at 12 V DC=2E Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX = can be
> used (set to 160m / 1=2E9 MHz) to drive the PA=2E The input power = must not
> exceed the range of 1=2E=2E=2E4 watts=2E The output power can be s= witched in 2
> steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output impedan= ce and
> input voltage (10=2E=2E=2E15V)=2E The output impedance is not so c= ritical, Z=3DR may
> be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity=2E The FETs are IRFZ48N type= s, the
> driver is a ICL7667CPA=2E The transformer uses RF litz wire, 30x0=2E= 1mm
> diameter=2E I didn't spend to much effort for optimising the effic= iency, not
> at this power level=2E During a CW QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF = power the
> heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm=2E=
> The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF = power=2E=2E
> The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this meas= urement=2E
>
> If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind in= to a
> schematic as a png file=2E
>
> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
> https://dl=2Edropbox=2Ecom/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%20= 15W%2B100W=2EJPG
>
>


------D44055B3A3C542ABA4A868A66A5A6AC5-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5D0453800009F; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScjPM-0005GA-BS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:34:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScjPL-0005G1-Ta for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:34:15 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScjPJ-0004Gd-GN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:34:14 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57KY9S1024270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:34:09 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57KY94M013236 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:34:09 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD10FE4.7030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:32:36 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000901cd44bf$d7d97f10$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <004901cd44e0$644b4530$1502a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <004901cd44e0$644b4530$1502a8c0@Clemens04> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q57KY9S1024270 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I think it is not necessary to mention many times a day that there is another group existing. We all know! Those who like to join it already did. Those who unsubscribed from here obviously can abdicate from what's going on here. Others may be happy that the storm is over, at least in the moment. Anyway, thanks for the link. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: fb3e28a759dea7e01d34d3fe7de7ae98 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487555264:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fd1107023fa X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I think it is not necessary to mention many times a day that there is=20 another group existing. We all know! Those who like to join it already=20 did. Those who unsubscribed from here obviously can abdicate from what's=20 going on here. Others may be happy that the storm is over, at least in=20 the moment. Anyway, thanks for the link. 73, Stefan Am 07.06.2012 21:03, schrieb Clemens Paul: > For those who do not read the yahoo list: > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36274675/DK7FC_137kHz_07062012.mp3 > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemens Paul" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:11 PM > Subject: LF: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > > >> Stefan, >> >> here S>9 / SNR 20dB in 100Hz BW. >> >> 73 >> Clemens >> DL4RAJ >> >> Loc:S=FCdostbayern,12,90006=B0O/48,4150=B0N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) >> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN68KJ79WJ >> Perseus mit Dipol 2x156m >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 >> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:10 PM >> Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz >> >> >>> LF! >>> >>> I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high=20 >>> with thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe=20 >>> a challenge for your RX is difficult conds. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to go. g3kev Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to go. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: LF: Votes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4730.CBCDB1F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:316281312:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fd4dd6e0f6a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4730.CBCDB1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. 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------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4730.CBCDB1F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 969DA380000B4; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 05:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHol-0005xF-1e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:18:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHok-0005x6-Is for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:18:46 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdHoi-0003KU-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:18:45 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnIJAKgU009cHYYc/2dsb2JhbABFigSpIQSBL4EIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMaCwEjAiYGAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEBCSUUAQQaBhYIBhMJAQECAgEBh3UJB7g3iycUBgEtggaDGwOIDYUxl1uCYIFWCQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="37711832" Received: from host-92-29-134-28.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.134.28]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 10:18:42 +0100 Message-ID: <005201cd4620$dc19f980$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> <4FD1146A.4050602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD30EFF.9070703@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:18:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jan I also spent some time in Singapore and Malaya late 1960's and early 1970's but mostly on the short waves but I did manage on 160 es 80 metres to work plenty of DX. JA qrm was the problem, the bands were full all the time with Japanese activity, they used to get so excited when DX appeared I like to hear the old tales about real radio and real radio operators. 73 de Mal 9V1OY es 9M2CC [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6be9408bcc63ba5aab6f1e66e2d5b7ce Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487384544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61854fd3152e03c5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jan I also spent some time in Singapore and Malaya late 1960's and early 1970's but mostly on the short waves but I did manage on 160 es 80 metres to work plenty of DX. JA qrm was the problem, the bands were full all the time with Japanese activity, they used to get so excited when DX appeared I like to hear the old tales about real radio and real radio operators. 73 de Mal 9V1OY es 9M2CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "pa3abk" To: Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 8:53 AM Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > Stefan, > Yep, been R/O for 15yrs. > > About the PY/EU QSO to make things worse :-) > In the 80's PCH (Scheveningenradio) had limited MF TOR-channels, as an > experiment they opened a duplex 425/512kHz TOR channel. > At that time I was working on a "offshore construction vessel" in Campos > bay. One evening 500kHz was again filled with EU noise. > As an experiment I started up the STB75 (TOR system) had a beautiful > link no phasing errors. Cleared a lot of traffic on that channel. > Mostly these condition repeats itself a couple consecutive days and last > several hours. > TX power about 800W into a DUK, which is a fattened vertical 16m. Sea is > very favourable for MF. > As I explained the QRN in some areas is extremely high. > This is also one of the reasons PY doesn't carry Navtex on MF, but on 4MHz. > > BTW monitoring Navtex is good to see if there is any condition on MF. > I can recommend YAND for this purpose which stores all reception data > has filters and graphics to see how conditions are > And yes it can also receive Navtex messages. > > Singapore, Indonesia is a complete hell of static. > One ever wondered that QSO's could take place before the discovery of > shortwave. > Just an impression how Dutch tried to by-pass the Marconi monopoly, the > 2400kW VLF sparktransmitter which was constructed in the colony Indonesia. > http://www.cdvandt.org/malabar_pictures.htm > After finishing this project , some "hamradio" made a QSO with only a > few Watts on shortwave. > The project was a complete waste of money. > > Jan/pa3abk > > > > > > On 7-6-2012 22:51, Stefan Schfer wrote: > > Hi Jan, > > > > Thanks for the email, most interesting! So i'm really looking forward > > to such special condx! Do i understand you correctly, you have had a > > 2-way QSO on 500 kHz with a PY station? Sounds as magic as 50 MHz or so. > > Ah, when i read to the end to your mail it rather sounds as if you > > have been working as the radio operator on a ship? > > I have an idea: Tell it to me in a loooooooong MF CW QSO, rag chewing > > as some say... :-) > > > > Also thanks for the IARU link. What i find interesting is the comment > > from TF2JB. I wonder if TF3HZ knows him? Maybe a good adress to ask > > for common projects with Iceland below 1 MHz. > > > > 73, Stefan > > > > -- > > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8119338000090; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkNCL-0000AK-5p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:28:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkNCK-0000AB-Js for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:28:24 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkNCI-0006Tl-NQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:28:23 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Jun 2012 22:28:20 -0000 Received: from p54B9D5FB.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Notebook) [84.185.213.251] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 29 Jun 2012 00:28:20 +0200 X-Authenticated: #20371661 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19n9FsIM5dnzE8wqnasY7KhEjtk0PLjCml/rkrUWD 6ryfVbTt9ingLE Message-ID: <3839BF9E6D5544D2B8E5A1355130F1EB@Notebook> From: "Thomas Rosenkranz" To: References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC18F4.9050608@online.fr> <1340875355.96079.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1340876781.29716.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC7DDF.8050906@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340908899.62897.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FECD820.8060105@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FECD820.8060105@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:28:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18645 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: hy Stefan, hast du auf MW lust?? Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: Friday, June 29, 2012 12:18 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (thomas.rosenkranz.1[at]gmx.de) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (thomas.rosenkranz.1[at]gmx.de) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b16f5c37bc0c21b41453c2ac5e65973c Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CD558E.156A7DF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:434969632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494fecdab65c60 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CD558E.156A7DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hy Stefan, hast du auf MW lust?? Thomas ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 12:18 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Pete,=20 Am 28.06.2012 20:41, schrieb M0FMT:=20 But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order = either double wow!=20 You can make the RFC1 from such a core used for T1 too, or maybe = better two of them. The RFC1 value is not critical. Just if you use a = small one it may become hot. Also it should be ferrite of course, not a = iron powder core. These would need much more turns. Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En?=20 Yes of course. The wire pieces are short, so just take a bundle of 8 = or 10 or so instead of the litz i'm using. You will see. Hmm it's plaited ? Oh, plaited, i learned a new word :-) No, just twisted.=20 Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may = not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but = feel the width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more. We pay 0.63 EUR at "Reichelt" (well known in DL :-) ). As mentioned, there are many alternatives to the IRFZ48N. You can use = what you want unless the FET: -is a N-CH MOSFET -Drain-Source voltage 55V to 100V (100V is not ideal, watch out for 55 = or 60 or 75 or what you find) -On resistance below 0.1 Ohm=20 -Input C (C iss) in the range below 3 nF, better below 2 nF. I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK = source) may be they could publish it?=20 And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it = is new and worth while thanks! Yes, but if i don't write this, someone will inform me that someone = has done it before, nearly always :-) As if my intention would be to do = something new (instead of simlply making QSOs or beeing on air :-) ) 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CD558E.156A7DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
hy Stefan,
 
hast du auf MW lust??
 
Thomas
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 = 12:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 = kHz PA=20 running at 12 VDC

Hi Pete,

Am 28.06.2012 20:41, schrieb M0FMT:=20 But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order either = double=20 wow! You can make the RFC1 from = such a core=20 used for T1 too, or maybe better two of them. The RFC1 value is not = critical.=20 Just if you use a small one it may become hot. Also it should be = ferrite of=20 course, not a iron powder core. These would need much more = turns.

Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En?=20
Yes of course. The wire pieces = are short,=20 so just take a bundle of 8 or 10 or so instead of the litz i'm using. = You will=20 see.

Hmm it's plaited=20 ?Oh, plaited, i learned a new word = :-) No,=20 just twisted.=20
 
Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be = ideal but=20 are cheap!! 50P (eer = 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but = feel the=20 width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly=20 more.
We pay 0.63 EUR at = "Reichelt"=20 (well known in DL :-) ).

As mentioned, there are many = alternatives to=20 the IRFZ48N. You can use what you want unless the FET:
-is a N-CH=20 MOSFET
-Drain-Source voltage 55V to 100V (100V is not ideal, watch = out for=20 55 or 60 or 75 or what you find)
-On resistance below 0.1 Ohm =
-Input C=20 (C iss) in the range below 3 nF, better below 2 nF.

 
I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has = a kitting=20 list (UK source) may be they could publish it? 
 
And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" = but in=20 context it is new and worth while=20 thanks!
Yes, but if i don't write = this,=20 someone will inform me that someone has done it before, nearly always = :-) As=20 if my intention would be to do something new (instead of simlply = making QSOs=20 or beeing on air :-) )
73 es GL Pete M0FMT=20 IO91UX

 
73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC
------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CD558E.156A7DF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 465723800009C; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 04:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHDR-0005YW-DJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:40:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHDR-0005YN-11 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:40:13 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdHDP-000373-7Z; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:40:11 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AisFANkK009cF/Eb/2dsb2JhbABFgm4IApwFA5VYgQiCEwETAQEDSQIhCwIIAgEGAQIbOQEEGgYkHQECAgEBhTgHgiQbuEaREAOIDYUxl1uCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="374905722" Received: from host-92-23-241-27.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.241.27]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 09:40:08 +0100 Message-ID: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:40:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call de g3kev LF [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: LF: 136.5 now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD461B.7877F080" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:166029408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4fd30c28667c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD461B.7877F080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD461B.7877F080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF
Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse = call
 
de g3kev
 
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Content preview: I had a poor copy on DJ2LF here due to the QRN, had that not been around he would have been quite readable. 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:05 PM Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 24b65a258fa7a3a87cfdaa03bb2f3176 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0759_01CD4C17.0CD7F210" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:439647712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fdd07a345ba X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0759_01CD4C17.0CD7F210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a poor copy on DJ2LF here due to the QRN, had that not been around = he would have been quite readable. 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:05 PM Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many = reports my email. Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station = i ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF, = without any problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where = real time QSOs can take place. And this night is in summer and with high = QRN, so winther must be wonderful. No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-) = 137 kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real = QSO band now! I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the active = ferrite antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN... The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground range = distance is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but nothing at = DJ2LF in 175km distance... Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA here = while sitting in the forest and receiving there :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0759_01CD4C17.0CD7F210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I had a poor copy on DJ2LF here due to the QRN, had that not been = around he=20 would have been quite readable.
 
73s Tracey G5VU
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 11:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 = kHz

Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for = the=20 many reports my email.

Yes, it was a historic moment for me! = The first=20 amateur radio station i ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The = QSO was=20 like on HF, without any problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW = band=20 where real time QSOs can take place. And this night is in summer and = with high=20 QRN, so winther must be wonderful.
No contest stress like on HF and = still a=20 special place below 1 MHz :-) 137 kHz is the real challenge of course = but its=20 very nice to have a real QSO band now!

I will go on to improve = some=20 things here and will see how the active ferrite antenna performs on = MF, maybe=20 cancelling out the QRN...

The QSB was interesting and it = clearly shows=20 up that the ground range distance is much lower. I got audible copy = from the=20 UK but nothing at DJ2LF in 175km distance...
Will continue to = listen and=20 prepare my remote link to key the PA here while sitting in the forest = and=20 receiving there :-)

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC


------=_NextPart_000_0759_01CD4C17.0CD7F210-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7A7C0380000AF; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfzD7-0000T9-SD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:03:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfzD7-0000T0-EY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:03:05 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfzD5-0003c9-Td for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:03:04 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5GK326H016177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:03:02 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GK32Ai030526 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:03:02 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:01:21 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060301020700080604010302" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:411708384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574fdce6b76959 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060301020700080604010302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MF, Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try. Starting now! 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------060301020700080604010302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MF,

Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal.

My TX is ready as well. I will call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try.

Starting now!

73, Stefan/DK7FC
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, Another thing. Right now it is 32 °C here. Best place it to stay on the beach or on the top of a hill in the forest. Today i choose the forest. Accidentally there is my 700m (ish) long earth antenna which has an average height above ground of 8m. Today i want to use it as a dipole for the 630m band. The feed point is somewhere in the middle but not exactly known. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: LF: An asymmetric feeded full wave dipole for the 630m band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:349514656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4feef49c1600 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, Another thing. Right now it is 32 =B0C here. Best place it to stay on the= =20 beach or on the top of a hill in the forest. Today i choose the forest. Accidentally there is my 700m (ish) long earth antenna which has an=20 average height above ground of 8m. Today i want to use it as a dipole=20 for the 630m band. The feed point is somewhere in the middle but not=20 exactly known. What will the efficiency and radiation pattern be? Is it a dipole or=20 what? EZNEC says it will have 10 Ohm Z=3DR at resonance (Cu losses +=20 "typical" ground losses). The WX forcast says there will be much QRN in the evening, anyway. Maybe someone can listen from time to time on 476.5 kHz? I will listen=20 on the band (+ 500 kHz +-) too and maybe a QSO is possible. Who knows... If the antenna behaves as a dipole it should radiate E/W, so good=20 chances for UK, PA and DF6NM, DJ2LF... I'll start now and may be "QRV" in 2 hours or so. Here, the first time my PA will operate in /p. Nice that it is smaller=20 than a VHS video cassette and allows to generate QRP at high efficiency! 73, CU, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 76DBE38000093; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 05:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbqAd-00030F-Da for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:35:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbqAd-000306-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:35:23 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbqAb-0001Ui-At for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:35:21 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIKACfSzU9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFnlwDlCsDgSeBCIIPBBQBAQNJAiELAggCAQYBHTkBBBoGHAgdAQICAQGHfrc2i2qFOQOIDYUwl1SCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="540363301" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 10:35:19 +0100 Message-ID: <003801cd42fe$851dedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:35:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 500 quiet this morning but I had a 599 each way qso with PA3ABK/JAN Where are the other 162 members subscribed to the LF/MF reflector ?? Now cq on 136.5 but nil so far g3kev 500 quiet this morning but I had a 599 each way qso with PA3ABK/JAN [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: LF: 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD42FE.84BE8FE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:412316480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494fcdd31020eb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD42FE.84BE8FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 500 quiet this morning but I had a 599 each way qso with PA3ABK/JAN Where are the other 162 members subscribed to the LF/MF reflector ?? Now cq on 136.5 but nil so far g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD42FE.84BE8FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
500 quiet this morning but I had a 599 each way = qso with=20 PA3ABK/JAN
Where are the other 162 members subscribed to = the LF/MF=20 reflector ??
Now cq on 136.5 but nil so far
 
g3kev
 
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Content preview: If you mean for 500kHz permits, I believe OFCOM is only renewing existing NOVs. 472-479kHz will not need an NOV once allocated Jan 1st 2013 (maybe sooner?). 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: fb42d311bf65eb51bbb8124890b4f977 Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-496F772C-8DDD-4E0A-8F2B-CDB6CC09AD53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443615680:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d021.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84feaaaec2528 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-496F772C-8DDD-4E0A-8F2B-CDB6CC09AD53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you mean for 500kHz permits, I believe OFCOM is only renewing existing NO= Vs. 472-479kHz will not need an NOV once allocated Jan 1st 2013 (maybe soone= r?). 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 26 Jun 2012, at 22:19, julie wrote: > Hi can any one give me some advice on how to fill out ofcoms nov, i am a b= it stuck. > David G6WGZ >=20 > From: Gary G4WGT > To: LF Group =20 > Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 18:51 > Subject: RE: LF: A/G FREQS >=20 > Hi All, > =20 > Pete M0FMT wrote :- > When I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude m= odulated on the plate in the good old days. > =20 > That was my very first transmitter.....And don't forget...."Tuning high to= low for a reply". > =20 > That takes me back :-) > =20 > 73, > =20 > Gary - G4WGT. >=20 > =20 > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100 > From: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS >=20 > Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.0= 0 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. After all its just t= he product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in a nonlinear device li= ke a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess you would= PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and using co= nsiderably less power over all. Class E an all. > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > From: Graham > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 > Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 17:09 > Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS >=20 > Steady on Mal ! this is getting technical !" > =20 > Your right , FM has a cut off point , where demodulation fails and = also a capture effect , where the stronger of 2 signals will acquire= and hold the demodulator ..always fun on 2 mtrs when a mobile su= ddenly takes the channel > =20 > Am has no cut off point , but gradual degradation until the recover= ed audio is no longer usable ......eg, mcw would readable much lowe= r than AM speech > =20 > I think much over 250/300 MHz its actually not possible to produce= AM , could be wrong , but there is a limit , may be by high lev= el modulation falls over , dont see why could not be via transvertin= g ....... > =20 > G.. > From: mal hamilton > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM > To: rsgb > Subject: LF: A/G FREQS >=20 > As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex working. I have also notic= ed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM transmitter when= working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be opened up to receive se= veral stations simultaneously then select the one of interest by closing dow= n the selectivity, the same applies on CW. On FM if you tried this the tran= smission would fall into a black hole, in other words the FM rx has to be ta= ilored to the exact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation value) > g3kev > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-496F772C-8DDD-4E0A-8F2B-CDB6CC09AD53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
If you mean for 500kHz permits, I believe OFCOM is only renewing existing NOVs. 472-479kHz will not need an NOV once allocated Jan 1st 2013 (maybe sooner?).

73s
Roger G3XBM

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 26 Jun 2012, at 22:19, julie <julieblinx@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi can any one give me some advice on how to fill out ofcoms nov, i am a bit stuck.
David G6WGZ

From: Gary G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: LF Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 18:51
Subject: RE: LF: A/G FREQS

Hi All,
 
Pete M0FMT wrote :-
When I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days.
 
That was my very first transmitter.....And don't forget...."Tuning high to low for a reply".
 
That takes me back  :-)
 
73,
 
Gary - G4WGT.

 
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100
From: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS

Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. After all its just the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in a nonlinear device like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess you would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and using considerably less power over all. Class E an all.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 17:09
Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS

Steady on Mal !   this  is getting  technical  !"
 
Your  right  , FM has a  cut off  point  , where  demodulation fails  and  also  a  capture  effect , where the  stronger of  2 signals  will  acquire  and  hold the  demodulator ..always   fun  on 2  mtrs   when a  mobile  suddenly  takes  the  channel
 
Am  has no  cut off  point , but  gradual  degradation  until the  recovered  audio  is no  longer usable  ......eg,  mcw  would  readable  much  lower  than  AM speech
 
I think  much over  250/300 MHz   its  actually  not  possible to  produce  AM  , could be  wrong  , but  there is a  limit  , may   be  by  high  level  modulation falls over , dont  see  why  could  not  be  via  transverting  .......
 
G..
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: A/G FREQS

As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex working.  I have also noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then select the one of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on CW.  On FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a black hole, in other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the exact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation value)
g3kev
 




--Apple-Mail-496F772C-8DDD-4E0A-8F2B-CDB6CC09AD53-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F31F8380000A9; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sceat-0002hK-0m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:25:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sceas-0002hB-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:25:50 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sceaq-0002aZ-2l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:25:49 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjoFADLH0E9cHYyS/2dsb2JhbAArGoJFgwmYcpVggQiCEwUBAQQBCAEBAxYzAg8XBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiECAhQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYYAgWwDBgkHKaVliRETiUiKPWCEeoESA409iHKJZwWEfIJggVYFBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,731,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="540700764" Received: from host-92-29-140-146.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.146]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 16:25:45 +0100 Message-ID: <001301cd44c1$cd79c960$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> <001101cd44b4$e7635060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1339082179.2504.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:25:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete Mine is a Read as you Go service. It could change tomorrow. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 3:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5624f0ff3acda0934438723229c028ec Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD44C1.CD10CE60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:504804832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ca4fd0c83130f1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD44C1.CD10CE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete Mine is a Read as you Go service. It could change tomorrow. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 3:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Mal All that useful info could be put on File on Yahoo group reflector and = we would all know. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 14:53 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz =EF=BB=BF=20 There are several countries in EU active on 500 Khz CW at present. The info has been posted in the past when countries became active. = Check the reflector daily for more info. G, GI, EA. ON, SQ, EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, LA OZ, 9H, PA0, S52, DL4, YO, = OH,=20 That is all that I remember working so far but maybe i have missed = some, must check my log. These stations are all active on normal CW from = around EU and there are others worldwide like W and VE plus others. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: manginbenoit.pro=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) granting = MF access to the amateur service so fast ? We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our = tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. 73 Ben=20 > Message du 07/06/12 13:16 > De : "mal hamilton"=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > Stefan > I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also EI0CF many = times during > the winter months. > I work QSO mode only and no beacons. > I have also had some QSO'S with Russian stations, they call me = on 7033 and I > reply on 502 normally although I have vfo control. > I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 but not = SLOWER > When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will end next = January > Mal/g3kev >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > To:=20 > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz >=20 >=20 > > Hi Joe, LF, > > > > Yes, we're here of course :-) > > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made = and vy > > narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. > > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to = them when > > the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an = extended > > frequency range then or will you have to QSY? > > And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA = detection? > > Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km = distance? > > It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, = however > > with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a = problem... > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: > > > > > > Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... > > > > > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and > > > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. > > > > > > 73 > > > Joe VO1NA > > > > > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and = conditions at > > > > = http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.p= hp > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD44C1.CD10CE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Pete
Mine is a Read as you Go service. It could = change=20 tomorrow.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 = 3:16=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 = kHz

Mal
All that useful info could be put on File on=20 Yahoo group reflector and we would all know.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal=20 hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, 7 = June 2012,=20 14:53
Subject: Re: = LF: VX9MRC=20 504.1 kHz

=EF=BB=BF=20
There are several countries in EU active on = 500 Khz CW=20 at present.
The info has been posted in the past  = when=20 countries became active. Check the reflector daily for more = info.
G, GI,  EA. ON, SQ, EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, = LA OZ, 9H,=20 PA0, S52, DL4, YO, OH,
That is all that I remember working so far but = maybe i=20 have missed some, must check my log. These stations are all active on = normal=20 CW from around EU and there are others worldwide like W and VE plus=20 others.
de mal/g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 manginbenoit.pro =
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:49 AM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz

Are there other EU countries (apart from the British = Isles)=20 granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ?

We = in France=20 still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our tutelage=20 administration. Or maybe am I not well=20 informed.

73

Ben 




>=20 Message du 07/06/12 13:16
> De : "mal hamilton"
> A : = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
>=20 Copie =C3=A0 :
> Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 = kHz
>
>=20 Stefan
> I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic = also EI0CF=20 many times during
> the winter months.
> I work QSO = mode only=20 and no beacons.
> I have also had some QSO'S with Russian = stations,=20 they call me on 7033 and I
> reply on 502 normally although = I have=20 vfo control.
> I work on CW and if condx get difficult I = work QRS3=20 but not SLOWER
> When the new band starts the old 500 khz = band will=20 end next January
> Mal/g3kev
>
>
> ----- = Original Message -----
> From: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer" =
> To:=20
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:45 AM
> Subject: = Re: LF:=20 VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
>
>
> > Hi Joe, = LF,
>=20 >
> > Yes, we're here of course :-)
> > = Unfortunately=20 i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy
> = >=20 narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some = time.
>=20 > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to = them=20 when
> > the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you = have an=20 extended
> > frequency range then or will you have to=20 QSY?
> > And what about the chances of this band? How = easy is a=20 TA detection?
> > Would it be possible to have a CW QSO = over that=20 4400 km distance?
> > It would be possible for me to = radiate 1 kW=20 ERP on that band, however
> > with a 1W (EIRP of course)=20 limitation, this may become a problem...
> >
> > = 73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC
> >
> >
> > Am 07.06.2012 = 02:15,=20 schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:
> > >
> > > = Hopefully=20 someone will read this on Baa Baa....
> > >
> = > >=20 The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and
> = >=20 > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed.
> > = >
>=20 > > 73
> > > Joe VO1NA
> > >
> = >=20 > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and = conditions=20 at
> > >
>=20 = http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.p= hp
>=20 > >
> >
>
>
>=20 =


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------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CD511F.0AD37A40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 06665380000BA; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCZU-0001AI-Vh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:18:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCZU-0001A9-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:18:24 +0100 Received: from nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.59]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCZR-00025a-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:18:22 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.52] by nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:18:20 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.245] by tm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:18:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:18:20 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.com Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 587015.65362.bm@omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28243 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2012 15:18:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338736700; bh=xII/yTrYrovZ5E4bFkYT2AJj+ykwRx8JMCrHQKYr92Q=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HxJhN2s1Myfg6u6nYtAOwnFMjpJqsVUlOWNEAKUpqQlXVuA/+HjDte1WoygUjlO0laf0CqFeSszNTv77vVRqvZwit+JRJ3Krmabwv5GFYf1Jlh7p2tInm1s10apDcHzPMGmVROXgQVxzWIFxDuZUJQpLlS6hgh+ebvi0B0lyruI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dLAON5e5DBBU4p5EhdwgSjID3fOS8ntqekXovSi0v0Z87zDyybXXHiVYWkd/7NaAU2mWw0Gx/PC9+gsdjxwCYNjKnhq5LyJnQwMHorwrogpL8K2wvUiiefd/3jIP+wrRGvH1SVQLA4prNQ74gJ9EeILiNwxg43HYUKn3JviuCSk=; X-YMail-OSG: qezF7pgVM1lFBwp2oCZ7qQxKYleHwN7TLOCpHO4JF3FJoFm 1wuxCzeOV4EUiXUp.74Dvsvpk8.t9XViF8.Jf2Uky1oz0n_rcc0lwZg2ZKGW pr.JulmB483aSgNgd2DXIVegf6az8dNyhdZ9JnCsgCvYEqzRys.lB9g.I3ga oI44RYZjY4yn9Pi.7C0NGEPF3RhBvPNihO81UOBkhrYIO9A0NUekeS0UQzFl HYedrFxhPqLCOsT7Cgn1rjaJ4Cc5b9nOouRL9cXfJGLm98b0BjkOuMOKjvvC zZ6wDiN_LmVt9hFJzOm3QKYdsCA3Nk7D1ORWN4pOkZGmvW95BprVAe7P2xPg SpkA0.JuaBGUHCeMt73XgjN_ybPaytzf_f1uiYBKOnFB_Erynh0VL2mV46k4 .9LmV9fD1X41MVqdSrBiWzglq546Lm6KxUgdhHVRCvdCt.v.0asEo2NBzF1i ShdxlZQSlpx9M_XSpjJZ1xFQHjB2xH8g2URjZ13NQ7yYHBSmq0KuVWe5A1v3 8QB_iXVj1MJngZE4hrmDejdWai_cNpE78ti_wocD8WlQJE7avoMMs1H.Zg8U vySNfLThQn2f4NPYEsds- Received: from [87.6.206.85] by web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:18:20 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FCB7CC1.6030803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: <1338736700.22711.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:18:20 +0100 (BST) From: Daniele Tincani To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FCB7CC1.6030803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Honestly I'm a bit confused by this (long) discussion taking place on two lists at the same time :-) I observe that it is not rare that the same subject (e.g. LF/VLF radio) is covered by different lists on different platforms with no conflicts and usually the members of one list are not asked to decide if another list should survive or not. Best regards Daniele [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 9bd342c7d74bc0c7d15d59c1164ca995 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1740643075-175115766-1338736700=:22711" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:478764768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m003.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fcb807279f4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1740643075-175115766-1338736700=:22711 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Honestly I'm a bit confused by this (long) discussion taking place on two l= ists at the same time :-)=0AI observe that it is not rare that the same sub= ject (e.g. LF/VLF radio) is covered by different lists on different platfor= ms with no conflicts and usually the members of one list are not asked to d= ecide if another list should survive or not.=0ABest regards=0ADaniele=0A = =0A=0A________________________________=0A Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: D= omenica 3 Giugno 2012 17:03=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Poll announcement=0A =0A=0A= =0AOf course all those who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the= =0Apoll. But there may be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo=0Ast= uff". Those will have no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo=0Apoll = it is advantaged to pro-yahoo in advance.=0AAnyway i will subsrcibe and try= to give my vote, as long as i don't=0Aneed an extra yahoo account for that= . It was easy to subscribe to the=0Alist but i'm afraid that taking part in= a poll assumes to have a yahoo=0Aaccount. Then i cannot see the poll as re= ally valid.=0A=0AIn that case, someone may have in mind that i vote for bla= cksheep. =0ATwo separate groups would be a bad compromise and they would al= ways try=0Ato pull members from the other group to themselves. Anyway i wou= ld=0Aagree to such a compromise.=0A=0AOn the blacksheep refelector we have = been ONE GROUP, now we may loose a=0Aminority, maybe. For what? MORE MORE M= ORE=0AVery sad!=0A=0ABTW Please don't forget those who are not so familiar = with the=0Aenglish language! They may be very LF interested but can't follo= w=0Athe discussion and tell their opinion in an understandable way. Minorit= ies,=0Abut worth to think about!=0A=0AStefan/DK7FC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAm 03.06.2= 012 15:57, schrieb John Gould: =0AI've=0Aput up a poll on the Yahoo! Group = version to see whether there is a=0Aclear view on the way forward. =A0I tho= ught that there was, but there=0Aseem to still be some with concerns. =A0 I= personally don't want to have=0Atwo groups, which is why I didn't support = a move to Yahoo! Groups=0Aearlier; I thought from what I had read on the li= st that there were=0Alots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo!= Groups offering.=0A=A0Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yaho= o! Groups and it=0Aoffers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile see= ing what the=0Apreference is for the way forward. =A0 =0A>=0A> =0A>For=0Ath= ose not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of course=0Ahav= e to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can=0Aexercise you= r right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish). =0A>=0A> =0A>The=0Adet= ail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow: =0A>=0A>= =0A>=0AEnter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the=0A>rsgb_= lf_group=0Agroup:=0A>=0A>Now=0Athat you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! G= roups list,=0A>how=0Ado you want to continue?=0A>=0A>o=0AWith the Yahoo! Gr= oups list=0A>o=0AWith the Blacksheep.org list=0A>o=0ABoth lists=0A>=0A>=0A>= To=0Avote, please visit the following web page:=0A>http://uk.groups.yahoo.c= om/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=3D13140385=0A>=0A>Note:=0APlease do not r= eply to this message. Poll votes are=0A>not=0Acollected via email. To vote,= you must go to the Yahoo! Groups=0A>web=0Asite listed above.=0A>=0A>Thanks= ! =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>73=0AJohn, G3WKL ---1740643075-175115766-1338736700=:22711 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Honestly I'm a bit confused by this (long) discussion taking place on two= lists at the same time :-)
I observe that it is not= rare that the same subject (e.g. LF/VLF radio) is covered by different lis= ts on different platforms with no conflicts and usually the members of one = list are not asked to decide if another list should survive or not.<= /div>
Best regards
Daniele

Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Sch= aefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
A= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Inviato: Domenica 3 Giugno 2012 17:03
Oggetto: Re: LF: Poll announcement
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=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A
=0AOf course all th= ose who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the=0Apoll. But there ma= y be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo=0Astuff". Those will have= no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo=0Apoll it is advantaged to p= ro-yahoo in advance.
=0AAnyway i will subsrcibe and try to give my vote,= as long as i don't=0Aneed an extra yahoo account for that. It was easy to = subscribe to the=0Alist but i'm afraid that taking part in a poll assumes t= o have a yahoo=0Aaccount. Then i cannot see the poll as really valid.
= =0A
=0AIn that case, someone may have in mind that i vote for blacksheep= .
=0ATwo separate groups would be a bad compromise and they would alway= s try=0Ato pull members from the other group to themselves. Anyway i would= =0Aagree to such a compromise.
=0A
=0AOn the blacksheep refelector we= have been ONE GROUP, now we may loose a=0Aminority, maybe. For what? MORE = MORE MORE
=0AVery sad!
=0A
=0ABTW Please don't forget those who= are not so familiar with the=0Aenglish language! They may be very LF i= nterested but can't follow=0Athe discussion and tell their opinion in an un= derstandable way. Minorities,=0Abut worth to think about!
=0A
= =0AStefan/DK7FC
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0AAm 03.06.2012 15:57, schr= ieb John Gould:=0A
=0A
I've=0Aput up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whet= her there is a=0Aclear view on the way forward.  I thought that there = was, but there=0Aseem to still be some with concerns.   I personally d= on't want to have=0Atwo groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yah= oo! Groups=0Aearlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there= were=0Alots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups offer= ing.=0A Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Groups = and it=0Aoffers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing what t= he=0Apreference is for the way forward.  
=0A

=0A
=0A
For=0Athose not currently members of the Yahoo! Gr= oup list you will of course=0Ahave to join in order to vote, but at least t= his is how you can=0Aexercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if = you wish).
=0A

= =0A
=0A
The=0Adetai= l of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow:=0A

=0A
=0A = =0A

=0A
=0AEnter your vote today! A new poll has been = created for the
=0A rsgb_lf_group=0Agroup:
=0A
=0A Now=0Athat you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list= ,
=0A how=0Ado you want to continue?
=0A
=0A o=0AWith the Yahoo! Groups list
=0A o=0AWith the Blacksheep.org = list
=0A o=0ABoth lists
=0A
=0A
=0A <= span style=3D"text-align: left; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; back= ground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">To=0Avote, please visit the following we= b page:
=0A http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surve= ys?id=3D13140385
=0A
=0A Note:=0APlease d= o not reply to this message. Poll votes are
=0A not=0Acollected via email= . To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
=0A web=0Asite listed above.<= /span>
=0A
=0A Thanks!=0A

=0A
=0A

=0A
=0A
73=0AJohn, G3WKL
=0A
=0A
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---1740643075-175115766-1338736700=:22711-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BB21038000085; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScglX-0003i8-4R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:44:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScglW-0003hz-Gr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:44:58 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScglU-0003MK-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:44:57 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnsFABLo0E9cHYyS/2dsb2JhbAArGoVOmHIDkRiERYEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMWMwImBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiECAhQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAQqFdoFsAwYJBymmAIkLE4lIix0IE4RfgRIDjT2IcolnhQGCYIFWBQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,732,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="383587109" Received: from host-92-29-140-146.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.146]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 18:44:54 +0100 Message-ID: <003901cd44d5$3f63a470$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> <4FD0999E.3080206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1608727203.579919.1339071424127.JavaMail.www@wwinf8307> <4FD09E40.2050308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1681559339.753475.1339087873235.JavaMail.www@wwinf8219> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 17:44:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: He has a good TX signal but cannot Receive. It is no problem for normal CW to work on 137. I have worked over 30 countries in the past. QRSS is not necessary for those that make an effort especially around EU and as far as Moscow de g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 94a3ffcd3903efbf0b2b811b1b1cc0bf Subject: Re: LF: MF Allocation (was:VX9MRC 504.1 kHz) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD44D5.3F2CDD00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488286944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fd0e8c5626c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD44D5.3F2CDD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He has a good TX signal but cannot Receive. It is no problem for normal CW to work on 137. I have worked over 30 = countries in the past. QRSS is not necessary for those that make an effort especially around EU = and as far as Moscow de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: manginbenoit.pro=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: MF Allocation (was:VX9MRC 504.1 kHz) This is the eternal question... QRSS is quite easier and most probably the only solution for most of = us BUT: We are a quite a large lot to look forward = "operator-hands-and-ears" CW activity. If 137 was more populated, maybe wouldn't it be so hard to QSO in = regular CW, even with veeeeeeeery low ERPs.=20 That should be peanuts for you Stefan, once you get on the air another = monstrous signal. On MF, the problem is similar, although antenna efficiency is greater, = and CW should be easier.=20 Passionned with 160 meters, I would also focus on CW for MF 630 = meters, with probably a bit of slow CW beaconing or QSO, but just for = fun. The no-computer approach is something of a challenge. Remember, CW is "Man versus Machine !!!". 73 Ben > Message du 07/06/12 14:32 > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > Hi Ben, >=20 > I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small = PA and a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth = and so i will not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within = the band, hopefully. That makes things easier. > On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, = maybe even no computer. However Speclab would be fine to get an overview = of the band activity and offers nice filter and noise reduction tools... > I'm really excited how the band will be populated. It's not so far = away from 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole = for 80m, configured as a T antenna will work reasonable if a suitable = earth is available. >=20 > But what's the problem in France? You have so much space for large = antennas, don't you? Or do you live in Paris City? :-) >=20 > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > Am 07.06.2012 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:=20 Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP. >=20 > My "reasonable" setup indicates me that triple that value could = be necessary... >=20 > CU there >=20 > Ben >=20 >=20 >=20 > Message du 07/06/12 14:12 > > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > > > I only heared some rumours about the permission starting = January, 1st,=20 > > 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is = given out on the=20 > > Ham Radio 2012 = (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php)=20 > > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more = realistic. > >=20 > > Time to build a suitable loading coil for MF. I will need = about 240 uH=20 > > only... > >=20 > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > >=20 > > Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > > > Are there other EU countries (apart from the British = Isles)=20 > > > granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ? > > > > > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper = from our=20 > > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > Ben > >=20 > >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD44D5.3F2CDD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
He has a good TX signal but cannot = Receive.
It is no problem for normal CW to work on 137. I = have=20 worked over 30 countries in the past.
QRSS is not necessary for those that make an = effort=20 especially around EU and as far as Moscow
de g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 manginbenoit.pro =
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 = 4:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: MF Allocation=20 (was:VX9MRC 504.1 kHz)

This is the eternal question...

QRSS is quite = easier and=20 most probably the only solution for most of us BUT: We are a quite a = large lot=20 to look forward "operator-hands-and-ears" CW=20 activity.

If 137 was more populated, maybe wouldn't it be so = hard to=20 QSO in regular CW, even with veeeeeeeery low ERPs.

That should = be=20 peanuts for you Stefan, once you get on the air another monstrous=20 signal.

On MF, the problem is similar, although antenna = efficiency is=20 greater, and CW should be easier.
Passionned with 160 meters, I = would also=20 focus on CW for MF 630 meters, with probably a bit of slow CW = beaconing or=20 QSO, but just for fun. The no-computer approach is something of a=20 challenge.

Remember, CW is "Man versus Machine=20 !!!".

73

Ben




>=20 Message du 07/06/12 14:32
> De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer" =
> A :=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Copie =C3=A0 :
> Objet : = Re: LF:=20 VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> I do not = intend to=20 run so much power. I will rather build a small PA and a lossy coil. = A lossy=20 coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and so i will not need to = adjust=20 the resonance when making QSY within the band, hopefully. That makes = things=20 easier.
> On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No = QRSS, no=20 grabber, maybe even no computer. However Speclab would be fine to = get an=20 overview of the band activity and offers nice filter and noise = reduction=20 tools...
> I'm really excited how the band will be populated. = It's not=20 so far away from 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio antenna, = e.g. a=20 dipole for 80m, configured as a T antenna will work reasonable if a = suitable=20 earth is available.
>
> But what's the problem in = France? You=20 have so much space for large antennas, don't you? Or do you live in = Paris=20 City? :-)
>
> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
> Am = 07.06.2012=20 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:=20
Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for = your KW=20 ERP.
>
> My "reasonable" setup indicates me that=20  triple that value could be necessary...
> =
> CU=20 there
>
> Ben
>
>
>=20 >=20 Message du 07/06/12 14:12
> > De : "Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer"
>=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
>=20 > Copie =C3=A0 :
> > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 = kHz
>=20 >
> > I only heared some rumours about the = permission=20 starting January, 1st,
> > 2013, here in DL. Also i = heard=20 rumours that a permit is given out on the
> > Ham = Radio 2012=20 (http://w= ww.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php)=20
> > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is = more=20 realistic.
> >
> > Time to build a suitable = loading=20 coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH
> > = only...
> >=20
> > 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> >
> > Am = 07.06.2012=20 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:
> > > Are there = other EU=20 countries (apart from the British Isles)
> > > = granting MF=20 access to the amateur service so fast ?
> > = >
> >=20 > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper = from our=20
> > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not = well=20 informed.
> > >
> > > 73
> >=20 >
> > > Ben
> >
> >=20
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD44D5.3F2CDD00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 521C9380000C0; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShpnB-0002PW-Fg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:23:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShpnB-0002PN-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:23:57 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shpn9-00050e-4m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:23:55 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5LMNrOw010385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:23:54 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5LMNruG008979; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:23:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE39E8E.8000301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:22:06 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D." X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Martin, LF, I'm fascinated by the noise drop on LF which occurs during your sunrise. On your grabber (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), i can see the noise drops 15 dB within 20 minutes. That means the sun must be very strong so the ionosphere is very quickly ionized. Also the local lightning density must be extreme. All in all it looks like a very sensitive system. But some directivity would be interesting :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: cc2e5baae40f8f7a09b47e6877ef0bfb Subject: LF: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:369559968:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4fe39f2a6c2f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Martin, LF, I'm fascinated by the noise drop on LF which occurs during your sunrise. On your grabber (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), i can see the noise drops 15 dB within 20 minutes. That means the sun must be very strong so the ionosphere is very quickly ionized. Also the local lightning density must be extreme. All in all it looks like a very sensitive system. But some directivity would be interesting :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: I will be on 136.172 kHz again this night, starting in a few minutes... 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: G.., LF, What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 73624bb08a20c2e0895fd0d9fb8136a4 Subject: LF: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:350552096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fca41984009 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none G.., LF, What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5BB9B38000099; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 07:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbsBp-00042T-49 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:44:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbsBo-00042H-Dz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:44:44 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbsBl-0001t8-Ss for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:44:43 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Jun 2012 11:44:39 -0000 Received: from p4FDD6F67.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [79.221.111.103] by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 13:44:39 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/DTDxVckzDkM1ZYr73wZcZXW1MVUUIMKcoHhZSre VW8pK0tlO6P/E9 Message-ID: <007001cd4310$97448400$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net><4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de><4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net><77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk><517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk><4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><4FCCD2B9.1030408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:44:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John, >I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used for QSO related posts I'm concerned about the time delay on the black sheep server. To my experience there is always a certain delay until emails appear on the refelector and this delay is more or less variable. So you never can be sure if a 'qso alert' and the related replies reach the interested list members *in time* which is quite essential when trying a sked. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 8784cdbd504ef8804d6bf58c55c77386 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01CD4321.58F0A4C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:511574048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fcdf1577258 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CD4321.58F0A4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John, >I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used for QSO related posts I'm concerned about the time delay on the black sheep server. To my experience there is always a certain delay until emails appear on the refelector and this delay is more or less variable. So you never can be sure if a 'qso alert' and the related replies reach the interested list members *in time* which is quite essential when trying a sked. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 11:03 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Stefan, Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported before. Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes both ways. I don't really want to administer two groups, especially this one as it's cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to effectively take away a facility that a few people use really effectively. I have to admit that I can't understand what the fuss is about and moreso the poor behaviour by a few; it's just doesn't match with the ethos of amateur radio. I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used for QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the more technical discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the additional facilities. Short-term information of this sort isn't wanted by everyone and doesn't need to be searched after the event, so having two lists for the different functions has some logic. Stefan, I'll try and do the right thing - hopefully, some clarity will come when the emotion runs its course. 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 16:22, Stefan Schfer wrote: Hello John, Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again... Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored! Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group, although we are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party (in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you shut them down? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould: Stefan, I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Schfer wrote: Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process. My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends. E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5044 - Ausgabedatum: 04.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CD4321.58F0A4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John,
 
>I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be = used for=20 QSO related posts
 
I'm concerned about the time delay on = the black=20 sheep server.
To my experience there is always a = certain delay=20 until emails appear on the refelector
and this delay is more or less=20 variable.
So you never can be sure if  a = 'qso=20 alert'  and the related replies reach the interested list=20 members
*in time* which is quite = essential when=20 trying a sked.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 = 11:03=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black = Sheep


Stefan,

Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that = reported=20 before.

Of course I will understand that there will be some that either = can't=20 vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes = both=20 ways.  

I don't really want to administer two groups, especially this one = as it's=20 cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to effectively take away a = facility that a few people use really effectively.  I have to = admit that=20 I can't understand what the fuss is about and moreso the poor = behaviour by a=20 few; it's just doesn't match with the ethos of amateur radio.

I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be = used for=20 QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the more = technical=20 discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the additional = facilities.=20  Short-term information of this sort isn't wanted by everyone and = doesn't=20 need to be searched after the event, so having two lists for the = different=20 functions has some logic.

Stefan,  I'll try and do the right thing - hopefully, some = clarity=20 will come when the emotion runs its course.  

73 John, G3WKL
On 4 June 2012 16:22, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> = wrote:
Hello = John,

Yesterday i=20 subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to be on = the list=20 (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the yahoo = list. But=20 the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the "members only" = section.=20 So no chance. I unsubscribed again...

Apart from this, there = are=20 several members (i assume) who are not so fimilar with the english = language=20 but anyway want to be a part of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ = years old=20 i assume. This may be to complex for a fraction of those and so they = have no=20 real chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored! =

Anyway, you=20 clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only me who = wants to=20 stay here. The LF community here is a small group, although we are = spread=20 all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party (in a fair poll) = would be=20 only 20%, would you shut them down?

73, = Stefan/DK7FC

Am=20 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould:=20
Stefan,=20

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a = yahoo=20 account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail = account and=20 that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group = with your=20 Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be = authorised by one=20 of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a = poll on=20 the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they = voted.=20  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=20 wrote:
Hi Clive, LF,

For those who simply = subscribed=20 to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not = possible to=20 vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please = remind=20 those who are blind for such facts that there are further = members=20 (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this = process.

My=20 vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group = compromise. As=20 long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where = one has=20 to win and the other will be shut down after some = time.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive = Lorton:
If you have voted it is possible to change = your vote=20 before the voting period ends.
 =20 =



E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
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Content preview: I'm getting a good signal from you here in the UK 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:455539712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fdcf3577d6a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I'm getting a good signal from you here in the UK 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Hi Jan, Thanks for the info. Are you ready for a QSO? We can try. When i disconnect the antenna, the noise drops by more than 40 dB, so maybe it works on 501 as well. I still haven't heared a amateur radio station on MF in my live! So that would be a very premair. If you are ready, tell me aQRG... 73, Stefan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 359D238000095; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si8HF-0007Dy-1P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:08:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si8HE-0007Dp-Dy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:08:12 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si8HC-0000Oi-Ow for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:08:11 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.16]) by mwinf5d07 with ME id RW871j00B0LrbAy03W88st; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:08:08 +0200 Message-ID: <290FF3E2019C4AF8A140FEFEA8C18C98@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FE4AC54.3090901@legal-medicine.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE4AC54.3090901@legal-medicine.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:08:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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I think its just fine as its is , why, you can even post little graphics , directly with BS , very handy , the yahoo rejected the same file format , and came forth useful comments from those who have trod before , classical in every way [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Re: LF: Blacksheep and Yahoo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:495984320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584fe4b4cb2b1a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LOL as the webby folk say ! I think its just fine as its is , why, you can even post little graphics , directly with BS , very handy , the yahoo rejected the same file format , and came forth useful comments from those who have trod before , classical in every way Even a tetchy exchange last week , priceless as the advert used to say , classical , if its not broke , don't try and fix it ! And the rains stopped G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "pws" Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 6:33 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Blacksheep and Yahoo > Roger, > > You wrote: >> Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent >> poll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to >> Yahoo, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either >> place or both. >> ... > > 1. > After those boring incident at the VLF Group at Yahoo! > (look for "Schumann Resonance and Venus Transit" there) > I propose using Yahoo! for day-to-day postings and > Blacksheep for in-depth discussions. > > 2. > If you cannot live without those Yahoo! stuff use an > incognito without any call sign or full name. > Keep in mind that all postings there are fully open to > the world including all kinds of search engines, > data mining engines, etc. Ignoring that is naive. > > Peter, df3lp > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 11ABE3800009D; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skhny-0002kf-Cy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:28:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skhnx-0002kW-GG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:28:37 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skhnu-0008Dx-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:28:36 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5TKSW4K000873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:28:32 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5TKSW9W011989 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:28:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:26:38 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: 4th try... -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 Von: Stefan Schäfer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e6360f34ef88d0e1db765f70efb2bfe9 Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070309080208000409030109" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489569568:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fee1053090a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070309080208000409030109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TKSW4K000873 4th try... -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473 kHz. It is available at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very high. See the image: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.pn= g So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------070309080208000409030109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TKSW4K000873 4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: = Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>= ;
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.d=
e/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/=
applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19=
882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green=20
wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red=20
wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b=
-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC
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------=_NextPart_000_03EF_01CD5384.9770E840-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6F60A380001C1; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShLt0-0002rO-E9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:27:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShLt0-0002rF-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:27:58 +0100 Received: from mailt.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShLsx-0003fx-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:27:56 +0100 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A333C200009FE for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:27:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 3D0AD20000A84; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:27:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [10.3.157.90]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn@toya.net.pl) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 69F39200009F4 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:27:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:27:01 +0200 From: Piotr Mlynarski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; pl; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: W dniu 2012-06-20 00:11, Stefan Schäfer pisze: > Sorry Rik, i heared (probably) you calling me but i didn't catch your > call. PA3ABK was reasonable strong. The QSB, yes.. So maybe next time.. > > Another question: Those of you who have a wideband RX (SDR for > example), which SDR software do you use to surf over the band? There > is one from I2PHD and i saw another one that is based on Linux. > Recommendations please. I would like to download one tonite and don't > know the program with the best features. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Subject: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW ... SDR programs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:326224928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fe1de461049 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none W dniu 2012-06-20 00:11, Stefan Sch=E4fer pisze: > Sorry Rik, i heared (probably) you calling me but i didn't catch your=20 > call. PA3ABK was reasonable strong. The QSB, yes.. So maybe next time.. > > Another question: Those of you who have a wideband RX (SDR for=20 > example), which SDR software do you use to surf over the band? There=20 > is one from I2PHD and i saw another one that is based on Linux.=20 > Recommendations please. I would like to download one tonite and don't=20 > know the program with the best features. Hi Stefan, LF i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting software=20 for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. you can download this program from the rfspace site: http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to get=20 started. However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link to sdr=20 -radio: http://www.sdr-radio.com/ they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular=20 transceiver front side It has many many different options - of course, it does take time to=20 learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html very intuitive and easy to use. Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr=20 hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find her= e: https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software =20 yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4682738000093; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 06:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb89d-0005ld-FW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:35:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb89c-0005lU-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:35:24 +0100 Received: from nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.196]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb89a-0000hw-HC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:35:23 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 10:35:21 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.134] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 10:35:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 10:35:21 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 237567.77264.bm@omp1039.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 46875 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2012 10:35:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338719721; bh=peKeogKr8pPLgoZhNjo7vLOjlidbSXUituelrCCaOSk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sKG9Iw7mSsTJ3Je83I+xZ4KavBfFKJjq1pO4Dy5Wnj2ZoXHIIb/PFYRLiNY/VaTTi9enf7grwr/kddIXVpXyNagiTZqoWdHt2NTgwNaGLCUIS3r6EOWHS7kcYIEUG030/6plQm4F5s4MyK2TU0sF5Ki3HG857yrWSo3pyasKJdQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YgomcFBjAd87x62JwxWYOAcowSETDakvC/w5D9Vg0N0nSI6ASuCdeVlbKZPvhAZvn3G1DoaNiJ8ynM917nGmRDYs8hDR3G4xH8g89ZxWzGXiiwDVFLVf4HtL823iiGa6SO0t5ILsW6Pe5VIwP+3TgWDy+gWAcrw0rjfWjhsIKE8=; X-YMail-OSG: JbUD8GMVM1ltEWyQ5206.xj9lqzQbPhQEqRptJEtgdwRKLe 6aCwCQFktQ6A.jlPYq68J5RWcrnHtkqZ.pbb_uZxMNS_FfvWAD.jn7L_ODSE vWlrCaDc49dUK2ZEVbpd4nhe19X8mJSzFsGRcptPihZ2pUfS.4BKfC.p_xRS Yo6ZJc2smEBmzctP6zpMtNhi7aT4iyBH0h9lExaK55Jw6UacdBHrP6N6QWJe eAbPuHwDJnGseVlXCIs6CkDBIlf0jjHik0SWaq0W.5ToffmGkjiTSBmAQ6iF C.h6Eien4fOiPWAher3crkuwZF_nQiPV1bLXtgxEMbg9iOjJIWjepC2we839 MUI0MWwW16Vpf1DGQMM6N8tHAQxP46uv0EcPnfu7IqWIdukXB6mUxFAwWCPI FPUkm1GShENeGXhc79vLSnf66uqEdkSYCCXAapHNnValTkE8h9p8m7HUo Received: from [86.149.196.5] by web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:35:20 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> Message-ID: <1338719720.38541.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:35:20 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All I may be missing the point here and appologies if that is the case. To avoid the adverts and the "Brave New World" or "The Shock of the New" that Yahoo has brought to LF you can elect to have your LF mails "Bundled" and delivered to your existing Web e-mail address or to your POP server sans ads! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.196 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 39d0aa3a8a50eef73e9de70bcfcadb32 Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-1092700409-1338719720=:38541" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:390989184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d310.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fcb3e264d7c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-1092700409-1338719720=:38541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=0A=A0=0AI may be missing the point here and appologies if that is th= e case.=0A=A0=0ATo avoid the adverts and the "Brave New World" or "The Shoc= k of the New" that Yahoo has brought to LF you can elect to have your LF ma= ils "Bundled" and delivered to your existing Web e-mail address or to your = POP server sans ads!=0A=0ATry it. The presentation is virtually as it was o= n Blacksheep but with a clickable=A0index at the top of the page.=0A=0A73 e= s GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: DK= 8KW & DI2BO =0ATo: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g" =0ASent: Sunday, 3 June 2012, 10:11=0ASub= ject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status=0A =0AHi,=0A=0AWhile I can understand= some people's wishes to continue on the blacksheep server, those should un= derstand that the move to Yahoo is not because email servers are suddenly o= utdated and not 'en vogue' any longer. There are reasons behind this transi= tion. Some (many?) of us had trouble to post in the past couple of months a= nd were on 'read only' mode due to some issues with the server. I had tried= multiple times to post here and, due to the lack of time, I had to give up= . Only recently I found a workaround by using a completely different email = account. I am glad that with the Yahoo Group I can return to read and hopef= ully post on a regular basis, making use of the LF/MF's community joint int= elligence and experience.=0A=0ATalking about advertisements and spam: the e= mail address that I used only for the LF-reflector has been swamped in the = past years by mails from people from foreign countries offering a lot of mo= ney if I assist them to transfer money of numerous people who suddenly and = sadly passed away. I am glad to get rid of those spams as well now and glad= ly take into account some advertisements on the Yahoo group.=0A=0A73=0A=0AG= eri, DK8KW & DI2BO=0A=0AOn 03.06.2012, at 10:37, pws wrote:=0A=0A> To John, G3WKL,=0A> =0A> Please do NOT shut down this refle= ctor.=0A> =0A> 1. It's active in positive sense.=0A> =0A> 2. There are too = many hams here who say=0A> "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven=0A> Br= ave New World were each posting will be=0A> "googleable" for ever. Me too.= =0A> =0A> That's the reason I unsubscribed from=0A> some Yapoo-Groups recen= tly.=0A> =0A> 73 Peter, df3lp=0A> ---176341844-1092700409-1338719720=:38541 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All
=
 
I may be missing the point here an= d appologies if that is the case.
 
To avoid the adverts and the "Brave New World" or "The Shock of= the New" that Yahoo has brought to LF you can elect to have your LF mails = "Bundled" and delivered to your existing Web e-mail address or to your POP = server sans ads!
 
Try it. The presentation= is virtually as it was on Blacksheep but with a clickable index at th= e top of the page.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: DK8KW & DI2BO <dk8kw.di2bo@googlemail.com&g= t;
To: "rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2012, 10:11
Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector= status

Hi,

While I can understand some peopl= e's wishes to continue on the blacksheep server, those should understand th= at the move to Yahoo is not because email servers are suddenly outdated and= not 'en vogue' any longer. There are reasons behind this transition. Some = (many?) of us had trouble to post in the past couple of months and were on = 'read only' mode due to some issues with the server. I had tried multiple times = to post here and, due to the lack of time, I had to give up. Only recently = I found a workaround by using a completely different email account. I am gl= ad that with the Yahoo Group I can return to read and hopefully post on a r= egular basis, making use of the LF/MF's community joint intelligence and ex= perience.

Talking about advertisements and spam: the email address t= hat I used only for the LF-reflector has been swamped in the past years by = mails from people from foreign countries offering a lot of money if I assis= t them to transfer money of numerous people who suddenly and sadly passed a= way. I am glad to get rid of those spams as well now and gladly take into a= ccount some advertisements on the Yahoo group.

73

Geri, DK8KW= & DI2BO

On 03.06.2012, at 10:37, pws <pws@legal-medicine.de> wro= te:

> To John, G3WKL,
>
> Please do NOT shut down th= is reflector.
>
> 1. It's active in positive sense.
> > 2. There are too many hams here who say
> "no thanks!" to that= advertisement driven
> Brave New World were each posting will be
= > "googleable" for ever. Me too.
>
> That's the reason I un= subscribed from
> some Yapoo-Groups recently.
>
> 73 Pet= er, df3lp
>



---176341844-1092700409-1338719720=:38541-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4D5EE38000095; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgfQK-0000tJ-Oc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:07:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgfQK-0000tA-Ai for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:07:32 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s5.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.16]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgfQH-0005vB-ST for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:07:31 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W46 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s5.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:07:28 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group , RSGB Yahoo Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:07:27 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2012 17:07:28.0020 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6E09540:01CD4D74] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, LF, So....was this you last night....found in my saved captures today. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15990181/477-479-1206172330.jpg [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.16 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 896f9ee4f10c5db37812c155e804756d Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cd2a5d51-d5da-4768-9143-58fb13a62e90_" Subject: RE: LF: Now again on 477.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494585984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fdf61011a5f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_cd2a5d51-d5da-4768-9143-58fb13a62e90_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan=2C LF=2C =20 So....was this you last night....found in my saved captures today. =20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15990181/477-479-1206172330.jpg =20 73=2C =20 Gary - G4WGT. > Date: Mon=2C 18 Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200 > From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Now again on 477.5 >=20 > MF=2C >=20 > Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy=20 > exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again=2C=20 > listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else=20 > wants to try. >=20 > Best 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC >=20 = --_cd2a5d51-d5da-4768-9143-58fb13a62e90_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan=2C LF=2C

So....was this you last night....found in my sav= ed captures today.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15990181/477-= 479-1206172330.jpg

73=2C

Gary - G4WGT.

&n= bsp=3B
>=3B Date: Mon=2C 18= Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200
>=3B From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg= .de
>=3B To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=3B Subject: LF: Now a= gain on 477.5
>=3B
>=3B MF=2C
>=3B
>=3B Sri for the "= trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy
>=3B exciting f= or me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again=2C
>=3B listenin= g and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else
>=3B w= ants to try.
>=3B
>=3B Best 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC
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= --_cd2a5d51-d5da-4768-9143-58fb13a62e90_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 87FAC38000089; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Samkx-0006BW-Th for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:44:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Samkx-0006BN-CL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:44:31 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.tiscali.co.uk ([212.74.100.53] helo=mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Samkv-000581-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:44:30 +0100 X-Trace: 777373434/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.102.87/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.102.87 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIWAMD7yU9YbWZX/2dsb2JhbABFhU6HU5EqA4xrhzwDgSOBCIIZAQUIGzMCLAUFAwMDAQIbIQICMwYeBhsJh36kbZISjCKBaYIEMmADmliKOYJh X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,702,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="777373434" Received: from 88-109-102-87.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO GaryPC) ([88.109.102.87]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 02 Jun 2012 12:44:28 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gary G4WGT" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FC9F97F.6060806@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FC9F97F.6060806@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:44:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Albert, It is Opera beacon (500kHz Op4). 73, Gary - G4WGT.  Albert, [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.74.100.53 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD40BD.72BD0800" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:334570272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fc9fcd84749 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD40BD.72BD0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Albert, It is Opera beacon (500kHz Op4). 73, Gary - G4WGT. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD40BD.72BD0800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Albert,
 
It is Opera beacon (500kHz Op4).
 
73, Gary - G4WGT.
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD40BD.72BD0800-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1ED79380000EF; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjwIM-0002Re-IZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:44:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjwIL-0002RV-Vp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:44:49 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjwIK-0006EE-84 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:44:48 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhQFAIxF609Ok8wX/2dsb2JhbABFoE4DlVyBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDBA0EAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd+uV+LN4JugxwDiBeFNpdogl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,485,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="543263585" Received: from host-78-147-204-23.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.204.23]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2012 18:44:46 +0100 Message-ID: <007801cd548c$884a2e90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:44:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Niels We have worked many times before but thought u would like a QSO qsx on the new band I can hear u daytime as well as nite 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Niels Rask To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:59 AM Subject: LF: Re: oz7foc [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 85c54099682e8e65d9e25bf804a68673 Subject: LF: Re: Re: oz7foc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD548C.881A9310" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:483052384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4feb46df62b5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD548C.881A9310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Niels We have worked many times before but thought u would like a QSO qsx on = the new band I can hear u daytime as well as nite 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Niels Rask=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:59 AM Subject: LF: Re: oz7foc mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 rx on 472,5 and 502 de oz7foc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: LF: oz7foc I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on this = band I can hear ur CQ on 472.5=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD548C.881A9310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Niels
We have worked many times before but thought u = would like=20 a QSO qsx on the new band
I can hear u daytime as well as = nite
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Niels Rask =
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 = 5:59=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: oz7foc

mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 rx = on 472,5 and=20 502 de oz7foc
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 7:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: oz7foc

I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem = to be=20 listening on this band
I can hear ur CQ on 472.5
 
 
de mal/g3kev
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: That means, for a MF dipole test i would start to try to lay it > on the ground. If this works with reasonable efficiency, so that a QSO > is possible, it would be a simple solution for a quick /p MF antenna > that can find its place in a back pack! > [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.193 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.6 HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM Envelope sender username looks random 0.0 T_HTML_ATTACH BODY: HTML attachment to bypass scanning? 0.4 HTML_COMMENT_SAVED_URL BODY: HTML message is a saved web page 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 3ecbf20a510e9846bb1bdaf7e0334c65 Subject: LF: Re: MF dipole Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD5709.090BE8B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, HTML_COMMENT_SAVED_URL,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81862 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:456680416:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m283.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564fef64b8730b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD5709.090BE8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That means, for a MF dipole test i would start to try to lay it > on the ground. If this works with reasonable efficiency, so that a QSO > is possible, it would be a simple solution for a quick /p MF antenna > that can find its place in a back pack! > Like K3MT's Grasswire antenna?. 73 Robert ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD5709.090BE8B0 Content-Type: text/html; name="K3MT's Grasswire antenna.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="K3MT's Grasswire antenna.htm" K3MT's "Grasswire" antenna
K3MT
presents . .=20 .

The GRASSWIRE
another approach to hidden HF antennas

April, 1997

Deed restrictions got you down? Neighbors intimidating your tower = plans?=20 Need a really easy portable HF antenna? Then the grasswire = may be=20 the answer! Virtually invisible, lightweight, and compact (you can carry = one in=20 your hip pocket), this antenna works! It has been used by K3MT in = various=20 installations for more than 10 years.

Read on - and listen to the "experts" telling you that this is = hogwash, that=20 an antenna like this can't work. But it does. And true experts, = who have=20 taken a decade or more to come to grips with the intricasies of = Maxwell's Math,=20 know why it works.

This antenna will not out-perform a yagi, or a decent dipole = up a half=20 wavelength. Not in gain or signal strength, at least. But it will = survive an ice=20 storm, wind storm, and is practically immune to lightning. And it = doesn't need a=20 large tower or tall support. I deploy one from my hip pocket at times - = the=20 balun to match it is larger than the antenna!

THE GRASSWIRE - IN BRIEF

What is it? Put simply, it is an end-fed, longwire antenna = that is=20 laid right on the grass. Hence the name. The original grasswire used by = K3MT in=20 the summer of 1988 was just 204' of #18 AWG magnet wire laid along the = property=20 line, anywhere from 1" to 6" above the ground. This sketch shows plan = and=20 elevation views of a typical installation. Both an 8' ground rod and = optional=20 counterpoise wires are shown. Use one or the other. Both are not needed. =

3D"grasswire

These antennas are largely resistive, with values ranging from 150 to = 500=20 ohms or so on average ground. They have been used successfully on the = average=20 soils northwest of Washington, DC, on the sandy soils of the Cape = Canaveral,=20 Florida area, in the rocky, shale soils of the mountains in Somerset = county, PA,=20 and on river bottomland of Allegheny County, PA. One was used with great = success=20 by K3MT/VP9 in Southampton, Bermuda - the object of nightly pileups on = 30 m CW=20 for four nights.

REFLECTION AND THE BREWSTER ANGLE

The skeptic in you will doubt that such low antennas can work. After = all, its=20 image in the ground radiates and cancels out all radiation. True - if = the ground=20 is perfect. But nothing is perfect! The grasswire radiates vertically = polarized off the end of the wire. Extensive monitoring tests = with=20 wires laid along the great circle route toward WWV, and perpendicular to = that=20 line, demonstrate the end-fire nature of the antenna. So why does it = work?=20

When a plane wave reflects from an air-earth boundary, an incoming = ray=20 reflects, giving an outgoing ray. These two, and the line normal to the = boundary=20 plane, form a plane of incidence. Solutions of Maxwell's = equations differ=20 for the case of the E-field being perpendicular to this plane (i.e.,=20 horizontally polarized), and the case when the E-field vector is = in the=20 plane of incidence. You will probably call the latter "vertical" = polarization,=20 although this is technically not correct. Electromagneticists (a.k.a = those who=20 practice Electromagical effects) refer to these cases as normal = incidence=20 (horizontal polarization) and planar incidence (vertical = polarization.)

For the normal incidence case, reflection is nearly total, with a = nearly 180=20 degree phase reversal. Thus very low antennas neither respond to, nor = generate,=20 appreciable amounts of horizontally polarized radiation. But for the = planar=20 incidence case, the reflection varies in strength considerably. At some=20 takeoff angle (angle between outgoing ray and the ground) the = reflection=20 becomes quite weak, and has a 90 degree phase shift. Near this angle, = the sum of=20 direct and reflected rays will have a magnitude as if the antenna were = in free=20 space! Of course, at other angles, ground reflection largely cancels the = direct=20 ray, and the antenna does not radiate well at all.

A reflection coefficient is calculated as the ratio of the = electric=20 field in the incoming ray to the electric field in the reflected ray. It = varies=20 from one (total reflection without loss) to zero (no reflection at all.) = It=20 depends on the takeoff angle, frequency, and the soil parameters = (dielectric=20 constant and conductivity.) Here are plots of planar incident (vertical=20 polarization) reflection for typical "good" and "poor" soils.

3D"reflection,

3D"reflection,

Notice that, at 10 to 25 degrees, the ground reflection is very weak. = It also=20 is shifted 90 degrees in phase from the incident ray. Therefore, = radiation from=20 the grasswire, off the ends will be about the same as if the ground were = not=20 present.

But launching a ray at, say, 15 to 20 degrees takeoff angle, in a = direction=20 toward Europe, can be useful! That's what a grasswire does. It is lossy = in all=20 directions, but least lossy when exciting the ionosphere for a long-haul = DX=20 contact. To demonstrate the point, here's an extract of K3MT's log, for = October=20 of 1988, (ahh, glory! Yes, the SSN was good then!) using a grasswire: = 

Date    GMT     CALL    his/my RST    FREQ    Power

OCTOBER

27      1554   SM6DYK    579 / 559   28004     80
        1601   SM0LBR    569 / 439   21007    100     RAY - STOCKHOLM
        2001   W4JBQ     579 / 569    7029     40     JOE - FT WRIGHT, =
KY
        2141   W8LNJ     579 / 459   28015     80     DAVE - DALLAS, TX
28      0227   W8AO      589 / 569    3547     15     BOB - SILVER LAKE, =
OH
        1720   G3RFE     579 / 559   21016    100     TOM - BARROW
        1932   G0CBW     569 / 559   14029     50     MEL
        1945   VE2FOU    589 / 559    7032    100     ANDRE - IBERVILLE
        2026   KB7UX     569 / 539   21040    100     RUSS - CHINO =
VALLEY, AZ
        2100   I2JIN     589 / 559   14022     40     BOB - COMO
        2123   G3JVC     569 / 559   14022     40     JOHN - LONDON
29      2105   WA200JXT  599 / 599   28015     80     ND
Not bad, for a wire on the ground. Notice that contacts were made = on 80,=20 40, 20, 15, and 10 meters. The signal reports are not fantastic. But = contacts=20 were made, and ham radio was enjoyed! Five countries were worked in 3 = days. And=20 the best part of this setup: the neighbors never knew that a ham = station was=20 on the air!

FEEDING THE GRASSWIRE

Since this antenna is largely resistive, a simple trifilar = balun is=20 all that I have ever had to use. This sketch shows how to make a balun = that=20 works:

3Dbalun

Typically I pull the insulation off of some indoor telephone wiring = cable.=20 Four insulated #22 copper wires are inside: discard one of these and use = the=20 remaining three. Wind about 16 turns on the core, without allowing the = wire to=20 twist (keep the three conductors parallel at all times.)=20

Notice that this "balun" really matches an unbalanced antenna to an=20 unbalanced transmission line. It is basically a wide-band, three-winding = autotransformer. Impedance ratios are as shown on the drawing. Generally = it is=20 necessary to connect the coax to either A2/B1 or B2/C1, and the antenna = to B2/C1=20 or to C2. This may change from one band to another, and usually does.

WINDOM IN THE GRASS

I have elsewhere described a windom = antenna. While=20 it is usually hung from a pole or in a tree, it works when used in a = "grasswire"=20 mode. Just lay it on the ground. Dimensions are repeated here for ready=20 reference.

3D"ground-mounted

When I travel, I take one of these made of #22 insulated hookup wire. = Since I=20 often set up beside motel parking lots, and often after a day's work, = the longer=20 wire is black, and the shorter one is red. This helps me determine which = way to=20 point the windom. Remember, though, that it fires off the long = end. Of=20 course, it fires the other way, too, but usually works best off the long = end.

I hope this has given some of you a good case of curiosity. Go out = and try=20 one of these ground - mounted wires. They're easy to build. Even the = balun is=20 easy to build.

If you must, contact us: we can supply a core, a whole balun, or a = whole=20 grasswire windom setup.

For more unusual antennas, visit my web page.

And check out my Books for a = dozen=20 topics about HF antennas.
that includes the grasswire and other = beverage=20 antennas.=20

73

K3MT

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD5709.090BE8B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E83FC38000091; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Se6ac-0006Jx-8a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:31:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Se6ab-0006Jo-O3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:31:33 +0100 Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.39]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Se6aZ-00049z-RU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:31:32 +0100 Received: from mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.6]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5BFVQe1030062 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:31:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host-92-6-242-34.as43234.net [92.6.242.34]) by mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 70059E000149 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:31:25 -0400 (EDT) From: pat To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <006601cd473d$d4da5cf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <004201cd4730$cc020860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57131D54FA1241D8BBE53212C31F7BF0@Shack> <006601cd473d$d4da5cf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:35:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1339428953.3961.1.camel@g4gvw-high-grade> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1339428686; bh=oUAhs2OMIU4cWLSGAzKyMIZh2k2FzkUIkdy27tZv0Pk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=nwb1Kq03/x9jxOmsYljeZzyEK1ZpOGR9b+R/0TsPoRE7xQa5zi0DrZeTgPOpt9Qev rqtROyIJqqSYgSWH0497LbwRlSAl1EXDMP63oT0aAb+i9rIYiRYPPpa/yoPV1dICZB Smpt6h5RE/dJBNgoM85W81Y8lBK2+cRDpugD5FCk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:469286560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Seems about par for the course typical turnout for an election innit? On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 19:18 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: > Ok Tony > But two thirds of the members did not vote, > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:15 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Votes > > > 70% Yahoo > 10% Black Sheep > 19% Continue with both > > No idea who the other 1% is ;-) > > Tony, EI8JK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM > Subject: LF: Votes > > > Well > Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out > of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look > convincing that Yahoo was the way to go. > g3kev > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.206.39 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4gvw[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1708620d3ce65bee0beaaede7929769a Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Votes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484279072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m023.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fd60fb06b95 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Seems about par for the course typical turnout for an election innit? On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 19:18 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: > Ok Tony > But two thirds of the members did not vote, > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:15 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Votes > > > 70% Yahoo > 10% Black Sheep > 19% Continue with both > > No idea who the other 1% is ;-) > > Tony, EI8JK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM > Subject: LF: Votes > > > Well > Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out > of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look > convincing that Yahoo was the way to go. > g3kev > -- 73 es gd dx de Pat G4GVW, Nr Felixstowe, East Coast, UK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A708B3800009C; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShUJx-0005jw-6g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:28:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShUJw-0005jn-NX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:28:20 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShUJu-0007iV-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:28:19 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.21.82]) by mwinf5d07 with ME id QnUJ1j0021mFXqS03nUJCy; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:28:18 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE10B61.7060202@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE116B4.4080401@kpnmail.nl> <4FE25A8B.6000403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE25A8B.6000403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:28:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120620-1, 20/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes just a wall of noise , now can see why Digital comms are popular on 500 ! G. . From: "Stefan Schäfer" Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:19 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Test signal needed, observations... [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: ead411ce91f9601ce3974c7575797436 Subject: Re: LF: Test signal needed, observations... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448228480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fe25cc24898 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes just a wall of noise , now can see why Digital comms are popular on 500 ! G. . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:19 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Test signal needed, observations... > Jan, Rik, MF, > > I have made some measurements and observations: > > When using the active E field antenna while having the transmit antenna in > resonance, the signal levels are 10 dB higher then with a de-resonated > antenna. So there is definitely a coupling between then. HOWEVER the S/N > is much better when the transmit antenna is out of resonance. This can > clearly be heared because i'm using a medium fast AGC now (USR file of my > last mail), so the lower audio levels become compensated. But the QRN is > very clearly louder than the background noise. So there is a receive > improvement (in this location) when the transmit antenna is out of > resonance! Now, the higher local QRM could be produced in the first amp > stage of the active antenna or is could come from the transmit antenna > itselfe. So i have connected the receiver to the transmit antenna and used > a switchable attenuator in series and set about to the same signal level. > The RX and netbook was running on batteries during the test. When > comparing these results (small active E field antenna versus large > transmit antenna) the S/N (e.g. of IQ2MI) of the small antenna is clearly > higher! In other words, the MF earth seems to be contaminated by QRM! > > That means my receive sensitivity is another important step better than a > few days ago... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 20.06.2012 02:17, schrieb pa3abk: >> Stefan, >> >> Just be sure that the TX antenna is not coupled to the E-probe. ( De-tune >> the system when you check it) >> I'm mostly listening on my TX antenna, the E-probe is only a few meters >> away. These two interact in such that the E-probe is just a bufferamp of >> the main aerial. >> >> To give you an idea how heavy this is: With a portable (AWP20 AKAI) I >> can enjoy MF in the toilet and bathroom providing the radio is near the >> waterworks and TX aerial is tuned. >> >> IQ2MI is "good" beacon, just before sunset it manifest itself here and >> build up to S-6 during midnight. During the winter you can enjoy it the >> whole day. >> I >> FYI sometimes during clubevenings (Tuesdays?) it comes "live" with CQ. >> But assume they will not listen on 477 :-( >> >> Checked Meteox, during our QSO a heavy thunderstorm was over your QTH, it >> moved away and lost a lot of it's activity. >> Just to advise you that you shouldn't misinterpret your observations. >> >> Jan/pa3abk >> >> >> NNNN >> >> >> On 20-6-2012 1:29, Stefan Schfer wrote: >>> MF, >>> >>> I took the QRSS/CW beacon signal from IQ2MI as the test signal. It was >>> very well audible here, R5. It was interesting to see the deep QSB. >>> Both, my small active antenna and the transmit antenna show the same S/N >>> but maybe it would be useful to use a antenna switch to compare the S/N >>> without having a time delay (changing the antenna cables), due to the >>> QSB... >>> >>> 73s.. >>> >>> Am 20.06.2012 00:44, schrieb Stefan Schfer: >>>> Rik, MF, >>>> >>>> Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much >>>> better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. >>>> Maybe you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? >>>> >>>> It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that >>>> many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops >>>> that were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. >>>> >>>> I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test >>>> signals from amateurs. >>>> >>>> 73, Stefan >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 89A3F380000B2; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SavUO-0001mX-Dh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:04:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SavUN-0001mO-I5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:03:59 +0100 Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SavUL-0007FR-R6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:03:58 +0100 Received: by bkty5 with SMTP id y5so6125058bkt.16 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:03:56 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=v1FgBiL6CC9je9akbS5EYxTON3TPkjo4DY3Bz1m1Dwg=; b=vn2LthidTB9rrsDJAINf4TX9+At9jcurd5V+VI8sExKyW+AEBg/RTFdVc8EWUFshTp RxhVWjIMl+r4D8YMg92hoN3NT1c8RnB8ImDctTPf1Tk4CjEXkjL2HSDAa67qvYkAcmgt NauuhEzn73sF2Z+JTWChW+y2TSKI2AidEqrR6QBOUKlzFlr8lq6G12TDe0AI1ZVviGJs lmU/cJqjWupEwk46smiyCqbP7bJkfJbjBI5Etgh76U8DOoiAf2+gpOQU0cu8o+GZjpmv 95OsqWbhTNEpHrtoXA/yIda3z3gHEIPvCmE4bUXkliBVGcjgqnmIaiBaxrP+ZKrhB/g1 kYiA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.134.1 with SMTP id ia1mr4160055bkc.77.1338671036188; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.64.78 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:03:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCA6376.4030702@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA6376.4030702@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:03:56 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PN-YcwChRuYvKcxDNmo2Qu9sOUg Message-ID: From: PA7EY To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, It was indeed your beacon that pulled me over to LF. It's a lot of fun and very interesting, as is reading the messages on the LF-reflector. (working on getting active on LF, but first priority is improving the reception of signals) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (ulrich.idzes[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d7907c3bf895ca41e0bedc3fa074f0d4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:417817312:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d239.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844fca80240ec2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, It was indeed your beacon that pulled me over to LF. It's a lot of fun and very interesting, as is reading the messages on the LF-reflector. (working on getting active on LF, but first priority is improving the reception of signals) vy 73, Ulrich, PA7EY 2012/6/2 Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Hi Ulrich, > > Very nice to meet you here! I already saw you on the pskmap in the web. H= ave > you been catched by the NL LF amateurs? :-) Some weeks i reported about o= ur > email contacts due to my CW beacon on 137 kHz. You reported that you saw = a > hit in the DX cluster about the CW beacon. > I would be glad if it was the beacon that moved you to LF as a newcomer := -) > Or did i misunderstand something? > > Vy 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > PS: Tnx for infos > > Am 02.06.2012 19:55, schrieb PA7EY: >> >> Stefan, >> >> According to the screenshot, it should be rts or dtr. Didn't try myself >> yet. >> >> As far as I know 1.4.1 is still the most recent one. Not sure about >> cpu, but on my several years old P4 2.8 GHz its no problem at all, cpu >> about 30%. >> >> 73, Ulrich >> >> 2012/6/2 Stefan Sch=E4fer: >> >>> >>> PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX >>> line >>> (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? >>> >>> 73, Stefan >>> >>> Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >>> >>>> >>>> G.., LF, >>>> >>>> What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? >>>> What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? >>>> >>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>> >>> >>> >>> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D192138000092; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuXD-0004HI-2t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:51:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuXC-0004H9-MD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:51:22 +0100 Received: from mailout04.t-online.de ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeuXB-0005vR-2z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:51:21 +0100 Received: from fwd07.aul.t-online.de (fwd07.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1SeuXA-0001Ls-B2; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:51:20 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (GEB2NsZGohcz90OSWkoIOGo1HLYsfMr4bIyFw1PzWfVxs5-VHl2eKMx1CJUozFIZ+N@[84.147.170.77]) by fwd07.t-online.de with esmtp id 1SeuX7-1F14HA0; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:51:17 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> <002701cd49a0$0b38cfc0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <4FD8F8E8.8050000@xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:51:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: GEB2NsZGohcz90OSWkoIOGo1HLYsfMr4bIyFw1PzWfVxs5-VHl2eKMx1CJUozFIZ+N X-TOI-MSGID: 18849530-fb77-443e-8f9d-c85f7b573679 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx Albert for info. Nw CQ on 472.5KHz, seems to be free here. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.18 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 0b2d339ae1d48966556dfb6ad64e2bce Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:409349824:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fd8fd8a1bb4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Tnx Albert for info. Nw CQ on 472.5KHz, seems to be free here. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz > Walter, > > The carrier of the beacon BIA is on 474 kHz (AM 1kHz) the side bands are > on 473 en 475 kHz. > > Albert PA0A > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A97A138000089; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShPkA-0003w8-55 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:35:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShPk9-0003vz-Nm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:35:05 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShPk8-0005XO-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:35:04 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.197] (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.14.177]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MHYWy-1Skib43jxc-003K2y; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:35:03 +0200 References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> From: Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <89E2A86B-68F6-4FEF-B0D2-85147A742918@dk8kw.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:34:52 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:4JI7xbToHeUaJhVZHet/mCQy4ipwH4gnWMetMO6Zjqq P8ESGZUWFXVdBi7E4uiIRM5eO9/MCfvB9NldLkHmt7BnQHaphW 0fkQykr6Wf1DNLzfXquGEjuW8wrh5WR2tHKyCZzpc82O/1Boki ESHK9k6pedWJ+vW19uifWcJ3O7oU9crTKl/eFJ6n+3rp1y6CyJ U288NjJZSj5bJLkIPDi5qyJHrzynOzBPKhoJ0KALep7f8a/RYK hMwMFzcOBRKBd9JAWwa+6OzqDO4E9qiNo/B7CEjGbyz2usPcgb A8O+GNAFsDS07jkTuJZk9xLH8SUtOT+hp+R9T4Jmjch+RCvsP9 KJACESPu79Utlg5PUL484UG2S4Y6hvfgR1xvggHjY X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Horst, On 20.06.2012, at 09:54, "Horst Stöcker" wrote: > Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012? 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I got this information also by the BNetzA. What wa= s the maximum power in WRC2012? WRC2012 allocation: 1 Watt EIRP or under speciai conditions: up to 5 Watt EI= RP. Today we got 1 Watt ERP =3D 1.64 Watt EIRP, which is already 1/3 of the maxi= mum permissible. With 100 Watt TX out, 2 Amperes antenna current and and 17m Umbrella antenna= I got a measured ERP of 0.4 Watt (=3D0.7 Watt EIRP).=20 I can't see any reason to complain. Vy 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO --Apple-Mail-B3CA21D0-2BC1-4DDC-B8BD-E915392CBFC7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Hello Horst,

On 20.06.2012, at 09:54, "Horst St=C3=B6ck= er" <horst.stoecker@web.de&g= t; wrote:

Just 1W ERP - this will be al= so the maximum power after the full implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got= this information also by the BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012?=

WRC2012 allocation: 1 Watt EIRP or u= nder speciai conditions: up to 5 Watt EIRP.

Today w= e got 1 Watt ERP =3D 1.64 Watt EIRP, which is already 1/3 of the maximum per= missible.

With 100 Watt TX out, 2 Amperes antenna c= urrent and and 17m Umbrella antenna I got a measured ERP of 0.4 Watt (=3D0.7= Watt EIRP). 

I can't see any reason to compla= in.


Vy 73

G= eri, DK8KW & DI2BO

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear John, LF Groups, > I have been trying to measure the resistance and reactance of various > resistors at this frequency and have had difficulty getting a good > resistive balance.... > ...The bridge is a GR1606A... > ...For resistances of the order of 100 ohms and higher I do not seem to > have a problem. For resistances of the order of 10 ohms I do not seem able > to get a decent balance. [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.218 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Measuring small values of resistance and reactance at 137 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443509632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m018.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164fcd0bcc39ae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear John, LF Groups, > I have been trying to measure the resistance and reactance of various > resistors at this frequency and have had difficulty getting a good > resistive balance.... > ...The bridge is a GR1606A... > ...For resistances of the order of 100 ohms and higher I do not seem to > have a problem. For resistances of the order of 10 ohms I do not seem able > to get a decent balance. I found the manual and schematic for this bridge at http://www.k7jrl.com/pub/manuals/gr/1606/GR%201606-A%20RF%20Bridge.pdf. Looking at the circuit, the "Unknown" arm of the bridge consists of the impedance being measured plus a 390 ohm resistor, 220pF "initial balance" variable capacitor and 220pF "reactance" capacitor all in series. Assuming these capacitors are near mid-range when balancing your 10ohm resistor, the reactance of the resulting 55pF series capacitance at 137kHz is about 21 kohms. So the reactive component of the unknown arm impedance is about 2000 times larger than the resistive component, and the null will be correspondingly about 2000 times more sensitive to a fractional change in capacitance as it is to a fractional change in resistance. This all means that, in order to get a sharp null when adjusting the resistance control, you will also need to adjust the reactance control very precisely, and you will need to get the null depth down to say 80dB or more to get a good resistance reading. I doubt it is possible to adjust the reactance control that precisely - it will go out of balance if you give it as much as a funny look! If you are measuring 100 ohms, the problem is made 10 times easier, of course. A related problem is that the resistive component measurement will be very sensitive to dielectric losses in the capacitors, which have very high impedances at low frequencies - this will lead to frequency-dependent errors that become larger as the frequency decreases. I guess that, excellent though bridges of this sort are, their makers had to optimise the design for the particular range of frequencies and impedances they thought their customers would most like to use it for. The GR1606A seems to be aimed mainly at the MF/HF range, so I suppose compromises must be accepted at LF. If you just want to measure resistance, you might be better off adapting a simple "noise bridge" circuit as often appears in the amateur handbooks, provided the parasitic reactance of your resistors is fairly small. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D10773800009D; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShpNw-00028G-Fn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:57:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShpNv-000287-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:57:51 +0100 Received: from nm22-vm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.109.224]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShpNr-0004ij-9Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:57:50 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm22.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 21:57:46 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 21:57:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 21:57:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 221044.21416.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 58672 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2012 21:57:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=x9y7/Ztswt6GYmKdT1dye/ZWfqSdhuq4lnDRRz/dAudDyZVAOQ5XXzONqnHBh33VqsPy2+ROsIWs94um04DrrvrG24Ng32gEu9B5DrH0NXZrmRJmY+wLwoiGxFbSGjiJzASty0GdWhzdPf5bWTnPGZpNho+bgIr9svz/yyFs4P4= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1340315866; bh=Q9UCLuJmkR8458nXgo1H3G/6lluWJCdAHNfVkUvzt/w=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=Chg3PlYFqStvqU/6ZdExJSkTXwitqIotE4lrDbnpMRS6z/OxNoncr9RgAUm0R11vVEsVsMUxqzzTvw1Y3b8Kzwet6jvEPqu5ra/Nnx34PV6IYwOKyAzsoV57yw2mFug8WLJi/6d7B0gE54Z/VQBzws8aUb2avOBc049+zx4ZQ2A= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 7thfaIQVM1n5HmxCk_6basjNjXBqPtvzUyPO5.Slhy4F4Jm PSdxLXoHgjyBoPxRwnXjPTycjP0O0ZEemHTumxglc5amgwc3J414jOgnJI9U A2CbN6sSsOKwlpc30y6f3Lih8UZ4HJc8O01CmCNjL1IznafaKlNtz1ftRJkp IPaKGij1XOjc22nZX69r7hu6Yt1J26tii7csKWxSrdE3Xg4rMUeGiXZyTqE7 ADLIWA2wnX_jBT79sARwTxtCSrAoJe8hcW2A9OMoKrin1wqnea3L6sfzGEou VpOlesJQ97HAG1i5Wg6pvkY83llPP5lnyaOfttUKT3MUeAJCpDA44.UPmvhl _i_.YAjJ1ZEWfiME3ryXix9PR2CWJlmN9vHxPpAqKyeioYApLBJeu6jTHRG3 Tq7NptXvR0Lmv0exsk3MoAMf1 X-Yahoo-SMTP: fpz.2VeswBBs59bVshRPmMN51lcO2lgFRIvE4XTqE8dRwOxd70E- Received: from gnat (alan.melia@109.145.215.32 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2012 21:57:45 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <5D772617FCC94283913EDABE7CB175FE@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> <6FDC0CECCC3645EB922AF21E66965518@AGB> <90E09B502D3D481992365586D42423DA@AGB> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:57:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120621-1, 21/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham, without measuring it I would not be sure. It is no good trying to simulate this because these factors are not included in the models. I think putting wies under one another is like folding the plate of a cap back on itself. The total capacitance doesnt increase. Think of the top-wire geometry as a skeleton (wire frame) of a parallel plate capaitor with the other plate being ground (radials, ground wires, whatever). My feeling based on my (and 136 friends) experiments suggest that any drooping of the top will reduce the radiation resistance. Whether this exceeds the effect of the increased capacitance is not possible to esttimate. If you try it, and measure it, I would be very interested in the results (never mind the theories.....show me the measurements :-)) ) We only learn when somebody tries something......Mike's top-loads, and Laurie's top capacity being great examples of structures that did not, for a variety of reasons, show any advantage in theoretical efficiency calculations. 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Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C7_01CD5001.3C078E90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81644 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430728768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d306.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fe399184ab9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01CD5001.3C078E90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00C8_01CD5001.3C078E90" ------=_NextPart_001_00C8_01CD5001.3C078E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham, without measuring it I would not be sure. It is no good = trying to simulate this because these factors are not included in the = models. I think putting wies under one another is like folding the plate = of a cap back on itself. The total capacitance doesnt increase. Think of = the top-wire geometry as a skeleton (wire frame) of a parallel plate = capaitor with the other plate being ground (radials, ground wires, = whatever). My feeling based on my (and 136 friends) experiments suggest = that any drooping of the top will reduce the radiation resistance. = Whether this exceeds the effect of the increased capacitance is not = possible to esttimate. If you try it, and measure it, I would be very = interested in the results (never mind the theories.....show me the = measurements :-)) ) We only learn when somebody tries = something......Mike's top-loads, and Laurie's top capacity being great = examples of structures that did not, for a variety of reasons, show any = advantage in theoretical efficiency calculations.=20 There is little professional work, I know of, that could give = guidance.......the professionals don't (don't need!) use small aerials. = You cannot just "scale frequency" because many of the important factors = dont scale, or dont get included correctly in the scaling model. Alan.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:59 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? R Alan, Down to one of Mr Hobson's fine designs here , the under = slung wire , would be the simplest to arrange , say it ran 10 = ft above a 90 ft elevated ground radial , now would that xtra = C , increase the amp's in the vertical section , the other side = of the top coil ...? Other wise its ,just possible to run 90 deg about 20 feet , = 90 then down , at the far end =20 I tune using a swr meter , usually get a sharp dip with the = variometer , but I also have a old 1000 pf 4 gang clipped , = low over the auto transformer , that is handy , just takes the = final 'ref down and as its low , there is no flash over , bit = like a band-spread on a rx oscillator coil=20 Testing wise , luckily , I can reach the Delft web-sdr in the = day time , so can do s/n checks at range using ROS-MF-2 , = the s/n is the average along the time line , so quite accurate = Still raining =20 73 -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather here either :-(( The problem with unconventional "shapes" is you will have to just try = 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing ground loss as the most = effective use of time and effort. Best done by measurement, and not = urban myths :-)) Thats why I always plug a simple transformer coupled = bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges have never = worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also = like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-)) I feel = closer to the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, = even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I = learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" right. It is the classic = substitution measurement with passive references. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? R Alan. Horizontal spread ......missing at the moment ... will have = another look out side , when the rain stops , horizontal open = box may be possible ..just=20 Tnx -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter too much :-)) The thing is to get as much wire as high as possible. Yes fold it = back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 feet dont add much over a = single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce = the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly = the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) = will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to = increase the radiation resistance. Your diagram is difficult to read but running one of the wires = directly under another will be of no benefit and may be worse than not = having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at least = 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the idea. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: LF: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? 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Hi Graham, without measuring it I would = not be=20 sure. It is no good trying to simulate this because these factors are = not=20 included in the models. I think putting wies under one another is like = folding=20 the plate of a cap back on itself. The total capacitance doesnt=20 increase. Think of the top-wire geometry as a skeleton (wire frame) = of a=20 parallel plate capaitor with the other plate being ground (radials, = ground=20 wires, whatever). My feeling based on my (and 136 friends) experiments = suggest=20 that any drooping of the top will reduce the radiation resistance. = Whether this=20 exceeds the effect of the increased capacitance is not possible to=20 esttimate. If you try it, and measure it, I would be very interested in = the=20 results (never mind the theories.....show me the measurements  = :-)) =20 ) We only learn when somebody tries something......Mike's = top-loads, and=20 Laurie's top capacity being great examples of structures that did not, = for a=20 variety of reasons, show any advantage in theoretical efficiency=20 calculations.
 
There is little professional work, I = know of, that=20 could give guidance.......the professionals don't (don't need!) use = small=20 aerials. You cannot just "scale frequency" because many of the important = factors=20 dont scale, or dont get included correctly in the=20 scaling model.
 
Alan. 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 9:59=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top = wire=20 config - Best Option ??

R Alan,
 
Down to   one of  Mr  Hobson's   = fine =20 designs  here ,   the  under slung   = wire =20 , would  be the  simplest to  arrange ,   = say =20 it  ran  10  ft  above  a  90  = ft =20 elevated  ground  radial  , now would =20 that  xtra  C  , increase the  amp's  in = the  vertical  section  , the  other  = side  of=20 the  top  coil ...?
 
Other  wise  its ,just possible  to  = run  90=20 deg  about   20 feet  , 90  then  down , = at=20 the  far  end 
 
I tune using  a  swr meter  , usually  get = a =20 sharp  dip  with the  variometer  , but  = I =20 also  have a  old   1000  pf   4 = gang=20 clipped  , low over the  auto  transformer , that  = is=20 handy , just  takes  the  final 'ref   = down =20 and  as its  low , there  is  no  flash  = over ,=20 bit  like a  band-spread on a  rx oscillator  coil =
 
Testing  wise , luckily  , I can  reach the  = Delft=20 web-sdr   in the  day  time  , so  = can =20 do  s/n  checks  at  range using =20 ROS-MF-2    , the  s/n  is the =20 average  along  the  time  line , so  = quite =20 accurate 
 
Still  raining 
 
73 -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:59 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial = weather here=20 either :-((
The problem with unconventional = "shapes" is you=20 will have to just try 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing = ground=20 loss as the most effective use of time and effort. Best done by = measurement,=20 and not urban myths :-))  Thats why I always plug a simple=20 transformer coupled bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, = noise=20 bridges have never worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC = stations close=20 by. I also like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing"=20 :-))  I feel closer to the problem and able to employ some skill = and=20 maybe dexterity, even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a=20 VNA......at least I learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" = right. It is=20 the classic substitution measurement with passive = references.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 6:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L = Top wire=20 config - Best Option ??

R Alan.
 
Horizontal  spread  ......missing  at the  = moment=20 ...  will  have  another  look  out =20 side  , when the  rain  stops ,  = horizontal  =20 open  box may  be  possible ..just
 
Tnx -G..

From: Alan=20 Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham it basically doesnt = matter too=20 much  :-))
The thing is to get as much wire as = high as=20 possible. Yes fold it back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 = feet=20 dont add much over a single wire. Drop the end if you have to but = remember=20 this may reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will = increase slightly the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped = ends=20 they are high voltage points and may not be "family friendly"=20 ...... doubling the capacity to ground ( note ground....not = lossy=20 roofs/foliage underneath) will probably halve you ground losses. It = will do=20 very little to increase the radiation resistance.
 
Your diagram is difficult to read = but running=20 one of the wires directly under another will be of no benefit and = may be=20 worse than not having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, = so pull=20 it at least 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you = get the=20 idea.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, = 2012 4:17=20 PM
Subject: LF: InV L Top wire = config -=20 Best Option ??

InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best = Option=20 ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  = configuration  for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
Tnx -G,
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes its a good compromise and I never feel pain or distress when receiving mails from two sources personally. Eddie On 04/06/2012 08:40, Graham wrote: > Yes 'Flash' traffic only on the ref > > G. > > > From: "Clive Lorton" > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:04 AM > To: ; > Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > >> Gentlemen, >> >> I’m beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. >> Blacksheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and >> Yahoo for technical discussion. That way daily QSO information will >> not be archived and design/construction projects can make full use of >> the search function and files section of Yahoo. >> >> Just my two pence worth…….. >> >> Clive g8poc > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5043 - Release Date: 06/03/12 > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc14a4fcc69395d82 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes its a good compromise and I never feel pain or distress when receiving mails from two sources personally. 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That way daily QSO information will >> not be archived and design/construction projects can make full use of >> the search function and files section of Yahoo. >> >> Just my two pence worth.. >> >> Clive g8poc > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5043 - Release Date: 06/03/12 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7756E380000A3; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdJXQ-000730-1X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:09:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdJXP-00072r-Cg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:08:59 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdJXN-00041q-Jr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:08:58 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q59B8uvu002630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:08:56 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q59B8usZ028903 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:08:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD32E6A.8070401@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 13:07:22 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8CF143C5B3655C1-205C-19555@webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CF143C5B3655C1-205C-19555@webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx to all for the ongoing reports. To avoid misunderstandings, the CW beacon is generated in Heidelberg from my normal antenna. Here in the fieldday camp ther is no place for an aerial (! :-) ) that can radiate such a signal. To many trees and no good earth is available. I'm just steering the TX via a wireless internet link to the grabber PC... Unfortunately the data rate is much lower now so i cannot stop the beacon, or don't want to risk problems when contacting the grabber PC. So i'm not in the situation to have a QSO unfortunately. I'll stop the beacon in the evening... No uploads any more to the temporary grabber page from here. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4e28719a46cd3d69582e1b8d1c614db3 Subject: Re: Re : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040103030208040406090307" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437623136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494fd32f0727cc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040103030208040406090307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q59B8uvu002630 Tnx to all for the ongoing reports. To avoid misunderstandings, the CW beacon is generated in Heidelberg=20 from my normal antenna. Here in the fieldday camp ther is no place for=20 an aerial (! :-) ) that can radiate such a signal. To many trees and no=20 good earth is available. I'm just steering the TX via a wireless=20 internet link to the grabber PC... Unfortunately the data rate is much lower now so i cannot stop the=20 beacon, or don't want to risk problems when contacting the grabber PC.=20 So i'm not in the situation to have a QSO unfortunately. I'll stop the=20 beacon in the evening... No uploads any more to the temporary grabber page from here. Anyway, congrats to the others who managed CW contacts today! Sounds=20 like an active weekend. And i'm looking forward to the new stations who=20 will appear soon on the band. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 09.06.2012 11:49, schrieb f4dtl@aol.com: > Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, attached my screen capture. > F4DTL Nicolas > > > -----E-mail d'origine----- > De : Lubos OK2BVG > A: _RSGB_LF > Envoy=C3=A9 le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39 > Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS > > Hello Stefan, LF! > I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N more=20 > than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-) > RST =3D 599 UFB > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > --------------040103030208040406090307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q59B8uvu002630 Tnx to all for the ongoing reports.

To avoid misunderstandings, the CW beacon is generated in Heidelberg from my normal antenna. Here in the fieldday camp ther is no place for an aerial (! :-) ) that can radiate such a signal. To many trees and no good earth is available. I'm just steering the TX via a wireless internet link to the grabber PC...
Unfortunately the data rate is much lower now so i cannot stop the beacon, or don't want to risk problems when contacting the grabber PC. So i'm not in the situation to have a QSO unfortunately. I'll stop the beacon in the evening...
No uploads any more to the temporary grabber page from here.

Anyway, congrats to the others who managed CW contacts today! Sounds like an active weekend. And i'm looking forward to the new stations who will appear soon on the band.

73, Stefan/DK7FC
=C2=A0

Am 09.06.2012 11:49, schrieb f4dtl@aol.com:
Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, attached my screen capture.
=C2=A0=
F4DTL Nicolas<= /span>


-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
A: _RSGB_LF <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39
Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS

Hello Stefan, LF!
I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-)
RST =3D 599 UFB

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Oh Mal, You wrote: >... > Mk2 version already in service will appear soon > ... End of World is nigh. O.K., nice to meet you all and thanks for the fish! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.186 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 925300287489a1d7272e62b121c112aa Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427566240:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fd37a793275 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Oh Mal, You wrote: >... > Mk2 version already in service will appear soon > ... End of World is nigh. O.K., nice to meet you all and thanks for the fish! 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Content preview: On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote: > Well John > When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a > move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose > opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly > encouraging or democratic. > A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group > but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. > Come on Mal [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 14522a7d8bfffcae5e92e35059f18ae1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020400010600080202080008" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470219584:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61874fcb941f4db0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020400010600080202080008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote: > Well John > When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a > move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose > opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly > encouraging or democratic. > A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group > but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. > Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to lies. Eddie > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John Gould > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:04 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status > > Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - rather busy on > a number of other fronts. However, as I have looked in to post > the thing about the poll saw the comments below. > > What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can > you elaborate as I am not aware of this. > > In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange > the Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people > using the URL from one on the many published sources would be able > to find the group. > > I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be > saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on the same > basic topic. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris > wrote: > > Mal, I agree. > Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a > year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB > book 'LF Today' and probably many newcomers do the same. Also > there are probably links to this site from others which will > be around for years. > Vy 73 all, > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" > > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM > Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status > > > John > Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any > serious problems > with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small > attachments and > for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has > worked well this > has been pointed out by others. > I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except > I get more > adverts that I do not need. > Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not > permitted on Yahoo > de mal/g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pws" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM > Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status > > > To John, G3WKL, > > Please do NOT shut down this reflector. > > 1. It's active in positive sense. > > 2. There are too many hams here who say > "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven > Brave New World were each posting will be > "googleable" for ever. Me too. > > That's the reason I unsubscribed from > some Yapoo-Groups recently. > > 73 Peter, df3lp > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5042 - Release Date: 06/03/12 > --------------020400010600080202080008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his,  this is hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gould
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status

Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - rather busy on a number of other fronts.  However, as I have looked in to post the thing about the poll saw the comments below.  

What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can you elaborate as I am not aware of this.  

In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange the Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using the URL from one on the many published sources would be able to find the group.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on the same basic topic.

73 John, G3WKL

On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> wrote:
Mal, I agree.
Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF Today' and probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably links to this site from others which will be around for years.
Vy 73 all,
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status


John
Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious problems
with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small attachments and
for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked well this
has been pointed out by others.
I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get more
adverts that I do not need.
Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo
de mal/g3kev


----- Original Message -----
From: "pws" <pws@legal-medicine.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status


To John, G3WKL,

Please do NOT shut down this reflector.

1. It's active in positive sense.

2. There are too many hams here who say
"no thanks!" to that advertisement driven
Brave New World were each posting will be
"googleable" for ever. Me too.

That's the reason I unsubscribed from
some Yapoo-Groups recently.

73 Peter, df3lp






No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5042 - Release Date: 06/03/12


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Content preview: In case that's a little confusing , the original sketch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz2-ukrd2VQ From: "g3zjo" Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:31 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Ae!...and this day [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 77d68ebd44814a6def4d7158b7296e78 Subject: Re: LF: Ae!...and this day Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487726176:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fc7f9215021 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none In case that's a little confusing , the original sketch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz2-ukrd2VQ -------------------------------------------------- From: "g3zjo" Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:31 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Ae!...and this day > I must got to bed, just for a final final ..... here are Four Candles. > > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REPLACEMENT-HANDLE-SPADE-FORK-SHOVEL-SHAFT-REPAIR-/320738670875?pt=UK_Home_Garden_GardenEquipment_HandTools_SM&hash=item4aad83b91b > > Eddie > > On 31/05/2012 22:54, Stefan Schäfer wrote: >> Oh dear. I can't stop laughing! >> >> What a perfect day/evening: >> >> -Exchanged more than 50 mails on the reflector >> -Learned about the Current mode class D PA >> -Calling CQ on 137.7 (!) >> -Building a Class D PA for the coming MF band and got very good >> efficiency at once. >> -Perfect entertainment >> -Learned about the Hungarian Translation Book >> -Supported by a bit of Laphroaig Whiskey >> >> Will finish the day by: >> >> -Finishing the 4:1 f divider to drive the MF PA from a HF TRX arround >> 1900 kHz >> -Going to set up the PA for a overnight beacon transmission on 136.172 >> kHz, QRSS-60 >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> >> Am 31.05.2012 23:40, schrieb Graham: >>> Or for a better s/n >>> >>> http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/digital_ariel.htm >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "g3zjo" >>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:30 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: LF: Ae! >>> >>>> Stefan >>>> >>>> Make sure you spell it right, this is an ariel. >>>> >>>> http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQnrLFNatuXR7AMQYpG5BlXGhR25FCsu79eMpQz0xxeY-9zKKxjgw >>>> >>>> Eddie >>>> >>>> On 31/05/2012 21:00, Stefan Schäfer wrote: >>>>> Hmm, maybe someone from the UK can explain the difference between >>>>> aerial and antenna? Is there a difference? >>>>> >>>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5036 - Release Date: >>>>> 05/31/12 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5036 - Release Date: 05/31/12 >> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8D07238000076; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SerU6-000325-2J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:35:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SerU5-00031w-KJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:35:57 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SerU3-00057Z-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:35:56 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAKvD2E9Ok8Nf/2dsb2JhbABFn2YDlViBB4ITBQEBBQgBAQNLLAEBAwUCAQMECQQEAQEKJRQBBBocCAYTCgECAgEBh366GosxgnaDGwOIDoUyjVeKBoJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,405,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="375500891" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.95]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2012 18:35:54 +0100 Message-ID: <004801cd498a$f8aeeb60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:35:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Ok Walter If I am around at that time will certainly look out for you de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Staubach To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:29 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 7c7a1907d3a7d57b28660e5fb4c32107 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01CD498A.F86E8700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448048896:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b4fd8cfcc7ac2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CD498A.F86E8700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Walter If I am around at that time will certainly look out for you de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Walter Staubach=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:29 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz=20 Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 utc I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not yet ok. 73 Walter DJ2LF/DI2AG From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 khz=20 MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active = on this band. or=20 If you want a contact let me know I am active most days=20 de Mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CD498A.F86E8700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Walter
If I am around at that time will certainly look = out for=20 you
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Walter Staubach
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 = 3:29=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz

Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 = utc
I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not = yet=20 ok.
73  Walter = DJ2LF/DI2AG
 
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 4:25=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 khz

MF operators
I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for = German and=20 others active on this band.
or
If you want a contact let me = know
I am active most days
de Mal/g3kev
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Marco Beware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the dark side of ham radio publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T stick is probably a lower spec than that. But not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.70 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 9cafc73d135491d75f4f47d39ed43841 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-873925017-1340272951=:77171" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:412310784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d289.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fe2f16f569c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-873925017-1340272951=:77171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AHi Marco=0A=0ABeware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Func= ube is not cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the dark side of ham rad= io publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T stick is proba= bly a lower spec than that. But not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!!=0A=0A73 es GL = Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "Scholz= , Marco " =0ATo: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" =0ASent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 10:30=0ASubje= ct: RE: LF: SDR programs=0A =0A=0AHello Pete,=0AI bought a Funcube Dongle = (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it=E2=80=99s very impressive how this s= mall USB stick works.=0AI compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my conver= ter and could receive with the Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E = nearly with the same signal strength.=0ASDR program is SDR-Radio http://sdr= -radio.com/=0A=C2=A0=0Avy73=0AMarco, DD7PC=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom:owner-rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of= M0FMT=0ASent: 20 June 2012 20:40=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0ASubj= ect: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A=C2=A0=0AHi all =0ASave those precious Euros be= cause you don=E2=80=99t know how long they will be around. Try HDSDR with B= alint Seeber=E2=80=99s=C2=A0 BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using=C2=A0 ultra= -cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB stick. =0AT= hese DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK sour= ce and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc= the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1= or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with= DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna= . =0AOh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV station= s with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80= =99s not enough all your local FM BC as well.=C2=A0 Not a lot of people kno= w that!=0AURLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 =0Ahttps://www.cosycave.co.= uk/product.php?id_product=3D239=0Ahttp://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s= 6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/=0AYou won=E2=80=99t rea= d about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0)=0AYy 73=C2=A0 Pete M0fmt=0A= =C2=A0=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0AFrom:Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0ASent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A= =0AHi Piotr,=0A=0AThanks for the overview of programs. That's what i search= ed for.=0ABut maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR s= oftware is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono?=0AWell, i'm waiting for o= ne of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution i= n SpecLab i would prefer that i think...=0A=0ABest 73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A=0A> = Hi Stefan, LF=0A> =0A> i have SDR-IQ receiver from=C2=A0 RFSpace. The prima= ry supporting software for all their sdr=C2=A0 hardware is Spectravue.=0A> = you can download this program from the rfspace site:=0A> =0A> http://www.rf= space.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html=0A> =0A> i do recommend this program=C2= =A0 although it is sligthly difficult to get started.=0A> However,=C2=A0 on= ce you get familiar with it you will like it:)=0A> =0A> on a "support" page= of http://www.rfspace.com/=C2=A0 you will also find a link to sdr -radio:= =0A> =0A> http://www.sdr-radio.com/=0A> =0A>=C2=A0 they have a very powerfu= l radio console which looks like a regular transceiver front side=0A>=C2=A0= It has many many different options - of course, it does take time to learn= all of them but the basic setup is rather easy..=0A> =0A> i also recommend= =C2=A0 HDSDR software:=C2=A0 http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html=0A> very intuit= ive and easy to use.=0A> =0A> Well, there is a growing number of sdr softwa= re supporting=C2=A0 sdr hardware.=C2=A0 an example of such collection of sd= r programs you can find here:=0A> =0A> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqr= adio/soundcard_sdr_software=0A> =0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yours, P= iotr, SQ7MPJ=0A> =0A> qth: Lodz /jo91rs/=0A> =0A> ---357169082-873925017-1340272951=:77171 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H= i Marco
 
Beware vested interests we are talking c= heap here, Funcube is not cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the dark side of ham radio publishing. I= could say more but suffice to = say the DVB-T stick is probably a lower spe= c than that. But not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!!
 
73= es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "Scholz, Marco " <marco.scholz@citi.com= >
To: "'rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org'" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 10:30
= Subject: RE: LF: SDR prog= rams

Hello Pete,
I bought a Funcube Dongle (covers = 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it=E2=80=99s very impressive how this small USB= stick works.
I= compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive wit= h the Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the same sign= al strength.
S= DR program is SDR-Radio http://sdr-radio.com/
 
vy73
Marco, DD7PC
 
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 20 June 2012= 20:40
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF= : SDR programs
 
Hi all
Save those precious= Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they will be around. Try HDS= DR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using&nb= sp; ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with R= TL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.
These DV= B-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK source and = cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the ch= eap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or sim= ilar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to = UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.
Oh and gue= ss what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations with record f= acility and all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC = as well.  Not a lot of people know that!
URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80= =A6
=
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments= /s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6= =E2=80=A6. :0)
Yy 73  Pete M0fmt
=  
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:

Hi Piotr,

Thanks for the overview of programs= . That's what i searched for.
But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i = need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ in= puts. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono?
Well, i'm wa= iting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a= solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think...

Best 73, Stefan/= DK7FC

> Hi Stefan, LF
>
> i have SDR-IQ receiver fro= m  RFSpace. The primary supporting software for all their sdr  ha= rdware is Spectravue.
> you can download this program from the rfspac= e site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/= SVDownload.html
>
> i do recommend this program  alth= ough it is sligthly difficult to get started.
> However,  once y= ou get familiar with it you will like it:)
>
> on a "support" = page of http://www.rfspace.com/  you will also find a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
>
> = ; they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular transc= eiver front side
>  It has many many different options - of cour= se, it does take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather ea= sy..
>
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http= ://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very intuitive and easy to use.
&= gt;
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting&nbs= p; sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of sdr programs you ca= n find here:
>
> https://s= ites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software
>
>=                       &nbs= p;                     &n= bsp;                     =       yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: Lodz /jo91r= s/
>
>


=

=
 
---357169082-873925017-1340272951=:77171-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 35F1238000082; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdnf6-0004fC-PT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:18:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdnf2-0004f3-GJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:18:52 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sdnf0-0001EX-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:18:51 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwFAL/y1E9cF/HU/2dsb2JhbABFnn4DhH+QWYEIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMEDQQBAQolFAEEGgYMCggGEwoBAgIBAYdsAw+3MYpGYYJOgxsDiA2FMZJehH2CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,385,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="383929528" Received: from host-92-23-241-212.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.241.212]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Jun 2012 20:18:38 +0100 Message-ID: <006601cd473d$d4da5cf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <004201cd4730$cc020860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57131D54FA1241D8BBE53212C31F7BF0@Shack> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:18:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Tony But two thirds of the members did not vote, g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:15 PM Subject: LF: Re: Votes 70% Yahoo 10% Black Sheep 19% Continue with both [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 24b65a258fa7a3a87cfdaa03bb2f3176 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Votes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01CD473D.D4A39580" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481843200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594fd4f3744cf5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CD473D.D4A39580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Tony But two thirds of the members did not vote, g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:15 PM Subject: LF: Re: Votes 70% Yahoo 10% Black Sheep 19% Continue with both No idea who the other 1% is ;-) Tony, EI8JK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM Subject: LF: Votes Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many = voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to = go. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CD473D.D4A39580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Tony
But two thirds of the members did not = vote,
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tony=20
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 6:15 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Votes

70% Yahoo
10% Black Sheep
19% Continue with both
 
No idea who the other 1% is = ;-)
 
Tony, EI8JK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 5:45=20 PM
Subject: LF: Votes

Well
Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo = group. Out=20 of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that = Yahoo was=20 the way to go.
g3kev
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > > > so what I would appreciate some suggestions about > > is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in > > air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? > > > Hi Daniele, > >you may get some inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier design. > > http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-active-sm-loop-antenna.htm > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.86.89.69 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? 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Any ideas? > > > Hi Daniele, > >you may get some inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier design. > > http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-active-sm-loop-antenna.htm > This amplifier provides better performance than either the Wellbrook or Pixel commercial products: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper009.html Chris Trask N7ZWY / WDX3HLB Senior Member IEEE http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CE1393800008F; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skxgz-0006ZX-0n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:26:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skxgy-0006ZO-If for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:26:28 +0100 Received: from mailout07.t-online.de ([194.25.134.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skxgw-0005ut-LU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:26:27 +0100 Received: from fwd01.aul.t-online.de (fwd01.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout07.t-online.de with smtp id 1Skxgv-0008QO-GK; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:26:25 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (rXabTGZdYh1P3Y03h9My6BuRBzdZqWwqS2NNsJeZTgKMdwjbA4cdyYYL75ef+jJgnu@[84.147.188.72]) by fwd01.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Skxgm-1ayVPs0; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:26:16 +0200 Message-ID: <00942B895A8F4CD3999DDE680DBE16CE@standard9dmup1> From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <4FEEF3ED.4070503@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:26:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: rXabTGZdYh1P3Y03h9My6BuRBzdZqWwqS2NNsJeZTgKMdwjbA4cdyYYL75ef+jJgnu X-TOI-MSGID: 3cb7729f-6f47-407b-93c1-7ccf6b48d10a X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, tnx fer info and ok abt ur "ground antenna". Here QRN low at this moment. We should give the dipole (really? don't know) a chance, so from time to time will listen. I am just testing a simple way to put up fiber glass masts for a MF-antenne. Our Club intends to have a small fieldday at 29.7.12 - only fer MF. 73 Walter [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.83 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Subject: LF: Re: An asymmetric feeded full wave dipole for the 630m band Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:376281184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574feefec11f74 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, tnx fer info and ok abt ur "ground antenna". Here QRN low at this moment. We should give the dipole (really? don't know) a chance, so from time to time will listen. I am just testing a simple way to put up fiber glass masts for a MF-antenne. Our Club intends to have a small fieldday at 29.7.12 - only fer MF. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: LF: An asymmetric feeded full wave dipole for the 630m band MF, Another thing. Right now it is 32 C here. Best place it to stay on the beach or on the top of a hill in the forest. Today i choose the forest. Accidentally there is my 700m (ish) long earth antenna which has an average height above ground of 8m. Today i want to use it as a dipole for the 630m band. The feed point is somewhere in the middle but not exactly known. What will the efficiency and radiation pattern be? Is it a dipole or what? EZNEC says it will have 10 Ohm Z=R at resonance (Cu losses + "typical" ground losses). The WX forcast says there will be much QRN in the evening, anyway. Maybe someone can listen from time to time on 476.5 kHz? I will listen on the band (+ 500 kHz +-) too and maybe a QSO is possible. Who knows... If the antenna behaves as a dipole it should radiate E/W, so good chances for UK, PA and DF6NM, DJ2LF... I'll start now and may be "QRV" in 2 hours or so. Here, the first time my PA will operate in /p. Nice that it is smaller than a VHS video cassette and allows to generate QRP at high efficiency! 73, CU, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 73AAA38000086; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjfRN-0007sU-Jj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:45:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjfRM-0007sJ-T9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:45:00 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjfRL-0001De-52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:44:59 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5QNivRl018659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:44:58 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QNiwEY003195 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:44:58 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEA490A.4080307@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:43:06 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <36D642DC20944A339A77B05805C821AF@Extensa> <4FE9AB62.1040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8891F24A59404592B6BD262BA56C74E2@Extensa> <4FEA4388.1070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Peter, Best is to make a recording, then you can reprocess it all the time and try to find better filter and display settings. Unfortunately you missed my VLF kite experiments in 2010 and 2011. Would have been no problem for you to see me in QRSS-3 on 8970 Hz! Maybe, who knows what the future brings... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 0b36c952c26be93e626fe2fa1c93657f Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000904010302020703040707" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:366288608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fea49ad6a28 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000904010302020703040707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter, Best is to make a recording, then you can reprocess it all the time and try to find better filter and display settings. Unfortunately you missed my VLF kite experiments in 2010 and 2011. Would have been no problem for you to see me in QRSS-3 on 8970 Hz! Maybe, who knows what the future brings... 73, Stefan Am 27.06.2012 01:36, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hi Stefan, > Unfortunately I wasn't at home this evening, so the supprise was > already at the screen when I came home from my job. > I understand your explaination of that inter-code-tone :-) > I will try to capture the observations on camera or screengrabber sunday. > A Youtube project is in progres.... > 73's, Peter - PA1SDB > Live: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg > > --------------000904010302020703040707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter,

Best is to make a recording, then you can reprocess it all the time and try to find better filter and display settings.

Unfortunately you missed my VLF kite experiments in 2010 and 2011. Would have been no problem for you to see me in QRSS-3 on 8970 Hz! Maybe, who knows what the future brings...

73, Stefan

Am 27.06.2012 01:36, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter:
Hi Stefan,
 
Unfortunately I wasn't at home this evening, so the supprise was already at the screen when I came home from my job.
I understand your explaination of that inter-code-tone :-)
I will try to capture the observations on camera or screengrabber sunday.
A Youtube project is in progres.... 
 
73's, Peter - PA1SDB
 
 
 

--------------000904010302020703040707-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 81C7C38000088; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scee4-0002ms-M4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:29:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scee4-0002mf-8j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:29:08 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scee2-0002cr-49 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:29:07 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmEJAG3I0E9cHYyS/2dsb2JhbABFiX2ocwSBLIEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMlASMCFAoIBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHdQkHuHqLHUSCL4MZA409l1qCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,731,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="540701253" Received: from host-92-29-140-146.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.146]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 16:29:05 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01cd44c2$446c8800$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002901cd44bb$8eef6840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:29:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Infernal Beacon.One way street. NO QSO switch. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: LF: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: LF: Re: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486014080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41164fd0c8ee445c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Infernal Beacon.One way street. NO QSO switch. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: LF: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > I can copy your beacon through the heavy QRN. If you go into QSO mode we > could make a 2 x contact. > BUT how good is your RX and Ears?? > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Schfer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:10 PM > Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > > > > LF! > > > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a > > challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo > > against the QRN :-) > > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 > > so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ACC8A38000095; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbGIV-0004ev-Np for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:17:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbGIU-0004em-Db for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:17:06 +0100 Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com ([74.125.82.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbGIS-0003GU-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:17:05 +0100 Received: by wgbfa7 with SMTP id fa7so2800421wgb.28 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:17:02 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=ooZOOrWPIGaDw4SPCIUd0d2Us5hmW+Y/gtch0rEZ3Iw=; b=lKDOq39jJdxVNZ7N+7dxtsRxBgiak52lfmoXzY6abIa3fYwShNxGdPMPE6XIOXz2o5 5krv235Vp85keo7QHADavv1iuNXtVK3GTgBPNrSVMd6hmscPfNZC72K6bQpcPJUdCbPB wdi1SJHh9hDYND/3XxqO8JtWeL5+VwHh0qPztKHx6KnONiPuFMmLpz2oXY8DfA/2GQfG 6zamZx6Y/993kZ+gfsQj/QpCIHpxOxeVzM2cssdvxv7buzwkCyvLO6+5RbwrR6OqZZZq JgW1ZZtlolRAsk53N+Yqw+E3Mhkbn4a/MXI9xDjaTSsCCdoaQDEd9Cwj/bzmUtph/r0U ltLA== Received: by 10.216.194.23 with SMTP id l23mr8333133wen.121.1338751022062; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc6-cmbg17-2-0-cust624.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com. [86.30.58.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z8sm23510021wiy.1.2012.06.03.12.17.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:17:00 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> <003801cd41aa$bee050f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: Roger Lapthorn X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <003801cd41aa$bee050f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal (et al), Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on moderation. It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently off-topic then the moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or even suspend membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are respectful of others and post on-topic without getting personal and offensive. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 64bc660a83b79b15f4c44d2b2147e02d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A00E65D5-1421-4AF2-BE93-74400C17D2F8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1494fcbb87d7fb7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-A00E65D5-1421-4AF2-BE93-74400C17D2F8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mal (et al), Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on moderati= on.=20 It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly offensive, r= epeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently off-topic then the mod= erators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or even suspend memb= ership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are respectful of others a= nd post on-topic without getting personal and offensive.=20 Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group where most s= eem perfectly happy.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" wrote: > How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM > G3KEV > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status >=20 > Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM > Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE > =20 > > Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. > > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: g3zjo > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status >=20 > On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote: >>=20 >> Well John >> When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a mo= ve to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose opinions a= nd point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging or democratic.= >> A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group bu= t not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. >>=20 > Come on Mal >=20 > I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to lies. >=20 > Eddie > =20 --Apple-Mail-A00E65D5-1421-4AF2-BE93-74400C17D2F8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Mal (et al),
Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views= on moderation. 

It is unusual to ban anyone b= ut where a member has been grossly offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to= others, or consistently off-topic then the moderators have the right (duty e= ven) to delete such posts or even suspend membership. I repeat this is highl= y unlikely if people are respectful of others and post on-topic without gett= ing personal and offensive. 

Now, let's please= get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group where most seem perfectly hap= py. 

73s
Roger G3XBM

<= /div>


-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

O= n 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from= =20 G3XBM
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 T= ony=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM=
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Refl= ector=20 status

Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51=20= PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yaho= o=20 group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
= From:=20 g= 3zjo=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42=20= PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.:=20= Reflector status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some t= ime back=20 indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban perso= ns=20 like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his,  this i= s=20 hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operat= ion of=20 any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but ple= ase=20 don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, Just be sure that the TX antenna is not coupled to the E-probe. ( De-tune the system when you check it) I'm mostly listening on my TX antenna, the E-probe is only a few meters away. These two interact in such that the E-probe is just a bufferamp of the main aerial. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.6 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 9d01e9df836df8dd3868645661e1c1f7 Subject: Re: LF: Test signal needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427428608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fe116ec0c59 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, Just be sure that the TX antenna is not coupled to the E-probe. ( De-tune the system when you check it) I'm mostly listening on my TX antenna, the E-probe is only a few meters away. These two interact in such that the E-probe is just a bufferamp of the main aerial. To give you an idea how heavy this is: With a portable (AWP20 AKAI) I can enjoy MF in the toilet and bathroom providing the radio is near the waterworks and TX aerial is tuned. IQ2MI is "good" beacon, just before sunset it manifest itself here and build up to S-6 during midnight. During the winter you can enjoy it the whole day. I FYI sometimes during clubevenings (Tuesdays?) it comes "live" with CQ. But assume they will not listen on 477 :-( Checked Meteox, during our QSO a heavy thunderstorm was over your QTH, it moved away and lost a lot of it's activity. Just to advise you that you shouldn't misinterpret your observations. Jan/pa3abk NNNN On 20-6-2012 1:29, Stefan Schfer wrote: > MF, > > I took the QRSS/CW beacon signal from IQ2MI as the test signal. It was > very well audible here, R5. It was interesting to see the deep QSB. > Both, my small active antenna and the transmit antenna show the same > S/N but maybe it would be useful to use a antenna switch to compare > the S/N without having a time delay (changing the antenna cables), due > to the QSB... > > 73s.. > > Am 20.06.2012 00:44, schrieb Stefan Schfer: >> Rik, MF, >> >> Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much >> better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. >> Maybe you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? >> >> It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that >> many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops >> that were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. >> >> I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test >> signals from amateurs. >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> > > -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 64C3B3800008A; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 07:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb8tb-0006GQ-GU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:55 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb8tb-0006GH-3D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:55 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb8tZ-0000tr-HB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p548D15DC.dip.t-dialin.net [84.141.21.220]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MZyjz-1SHXyV02DX-00LX8m; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:22:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB490B.1050900@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:22:51 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <1338719720.38541.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338719720.38541.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:+uOa8pQ99Bz6La6KDu1PKeLYctpVnxrRgA89S+dCOnm w0D2XqvExPQJ1vTzfySibExiAISd65FSEAWO2LJg8z3iMb9EUg qwEBUMBYaKTEHGMl56ddXwdpsw+GYZKHPGGo6jxDZiJWWYr9de q0E7L2BTMMK254lpcabaj7CvdCZtuRAKtsMyt3M5PPG4Bf9KNU E6VQDgfATRc2GI/EpJPrYjdBa96VddMsh8gOIltxTi+iEhp41Z kFJW9nb0hjiOpQW9YT/Y43+ZPjydBJ7VNuhaoonEozcrof9/iv B3YNfCHJC3WKsRp/bDuxkFnYoa4pCOjkk+akIS5BC2hJcX3J1J U9wI0mJFWZOeJv0UsUH8dkv8O8akadwpdzQ+bawFR X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete, You wrote: > ... > To avoid the adverts and the "Brave New World" or "The Shock of the New" that Yahoo has brought to LF you can elect to have your LF mails "Bundled" and delivered to your existing Web e-mail address or to your POP server sans ads! > ... 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Walter, The carrier of the beacon BIA is on 474 kHz (AM 1kHz) the side bands are on 473 en 475 kHz. Albert PA0A [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 73624bb08a20c2e0895fd0d9fb8136a4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:235939296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fd8f91d6e06 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Walter, The carrier of the beacon BIA is on 474 kHz (AM 1kHz) the side bands are on 473 en 475 kHz. Albert PA0A From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5606938000088; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbGpK-00051p-J7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:51:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbGpJ-00051g-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:51:01 +0100 Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com ([64.136.55.36]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbGpH-0003Nu-8a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:51:00 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=juno.com Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1338753056; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Content-Type:From:Message-Id; b=GLW6FDoxd8xgHTnuzyruiFuCMDe5lfp7qmCZtH3XVMqP68qCuGSwB0DFIop7PSe83 OwYEo18mB13JWVTlSJgERkcxu8Ecua+vavJUmRO1rGO5rauS/Tl/82ALS4BDMaensI yFrR59HSECO0Rgc140RgUnCXfbwUELBlN9hgWfmw= Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (mailpop07.vgs.untd.com [10.181.45.27]) by smtpout06.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABH6ZSAHA4S78TS for (sender ); Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:50:31 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewLOurKefQkndWOKoYUiR/GpIL/EkfdDt7g== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by mailpop07.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SACME9UV; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:50:20 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:49:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Email Client 8.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-6,7,9,11,13-14,16,18-22,24-27,29-31,37-39,41-89,93,95-101,102-32767 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com Message-Id: <20120603.125020.1661.559237@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 9468 X-ContentStamp: 29:14:123634915 X-MAIL-INFO:155fea1bfb4bbf2bbaa70383cfa75a37879e3bcfa787ef93839f7ede02679b078eaf7e9aab07976f4a13dbdbb75efafae7cbde4f9e333fdac76b6b0f8a8aea5beeea9e33e7f35f6eee2e1eebce024a3a5f0a67eb6e0f7be7ee1bbf03438f8a7fbf7b670ee38f2bbf3bdeba874b13d7570e3b6a5e3fbb6e9fafbb1ec7ea5e2adadf0b071a97 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.45.27|mailpop07.vgs.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Alright I signed up and created a yahoo account first thing I had to do was create an E mail address and then fill out my user information,, I believe the user info is set to stay hidden so at this point,, what is next,, how do I sign up for the LF reflector/group I really dont like doing this ,, but what the heck when I find the new reflector will it ask how to bundle my traffic and will that only be accessible to me after I sign on for the Yahooie e mail or can I have that sent to my Juno account and not need to sign on to the yahoo account [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.136.55.36 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (riese-k3djc[at]juno.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 96c1546db5321e0e52b4c66d17932f07 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_28ff.725f.2b30 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_JUNO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:508196000:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m232.1 ; domain : juno.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fcbc0583a26 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_28ff.725f.2b30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright I signed up and created a yahoo account first thing I had to do was create an E mail address and then fill out my user information,, I believe the user info is set to stay hidden so at this point,, what is next,, how do I sign up for the LF reflector/group I really dont like doing this ,, but what the heck when I find the new reflector will it ask how to bundle my traffic and will that only be accessible to me after I sign on for the Yahooie e mail or can I have that sent to my Juno account and not need to sign on to the yahoo account Bob K3DJC On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0100 Roger Lapthorn writes: Mal (et al), Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on moderation. It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently off-topic then the moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or even suspend membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are respectful of others and post on-topic without getting personal and offensive. Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group where most seem perfectly happy. 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" wrote: How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. ----- Original Message ----- From: g3zjo To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote: Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to lies. Eddie ----__JNP_000_28ff.725f.2b30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Alright
I signed up and created a yahoo account first thing I had to do was = create=20 an E mail address
and then fill out my user information,, I believe the user info is set= to=20 stay hidden
so at this point,, what is next,, how do I sign up for the LF=20 reflector/group
I really dont like doing this ,, but what the heck
when I find the new reflector will it ask how to bundle=20 my traffic and will that only be accessible to me
after I sign on for the Yahooie e mail or can I have that sent to my = Juno=20 account and not need to sign
on to the yahoo account
 
Bob K3DJC
 
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0100 Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=20 writes:
Mal (et al),

Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on= =20 moderation. 

It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly=20 offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently off-= topic=20 then the moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or = even=20 suspend membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are = respectful=20 of others and post on-topic without getting personal and=20 offensive. 

Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group = where=20 most seem perfectly happy. 

73s
Roger G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation = from=20 G3XBM
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tony
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:= 56=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.:= =20 Reflector status

Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 = 9:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector"= Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
= From:=20 g3zjo
To: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T= .:=20 Reflector status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting = some time=20 back indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to= ban=20 persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his,= =20  this is hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth = operation=20 of any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or=20 BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself = but=20 please don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
 
----__JNP_000_28ff.725f.2b30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 452D73800009A; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shoy9-0001zV-2O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shoy8-0001zM-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:12 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shoy3-0004Lt-Jc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:11 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhYFAGeR409OlpvA/2dsb2JhbAArGoJFgxOaMQOVSoEIghgBAQUIGzMCBiYBBAUDAxEEAQEKIQICMwYWCAYTCAmHbAMPBymmcpJ+iktjgmaCCjJgA41IiHSJcIR/gmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,453,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="396615025" Received: from host-78-150-155-192.as13285.net (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.150.155.192]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2012 22:31:05 +0100 Message-ID: <7534B2BE5B5848289524F7662A697085@TraceyPC> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <00c801cd4fcd$164011c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d401cd4fd5$373745d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1340312150.80181.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340312150.80181.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Pete If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling digital down conversion SDR. It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a LAN interface for remote access. The best bit is that it costs just over £200 inc shipping and VAT. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f45514038df04b1035abb1d5446da941 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_070C_01CD4FFD.88A27200" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485468320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d618a4fe3931840e7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_070C_01CD4FFD.88A27200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Pete If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on = the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling = digital down conversion SDR. It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a = LAN interface for remote access. The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT. You can find more details here http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description https://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b1022925e I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer. 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Mal The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the = price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D = converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on LF = because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its = worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks = people have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not = sure. It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known = LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 = chipset. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_070C_01CD4FFD.88A27200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hello Pete
 
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new = kid on=20 the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel.
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling = digital=20 down conversion SDR.
It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and = has a LAN=20 interface for remote access.
The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and = VAT.
 
You can find more details here
 
http://4z5= lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description
 
https://www.box.com/s= /1cd9353fa35b1022925e
 
I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer.
 
73s Tracey G5VU
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 9:55=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

Hi Mal
 
The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is = the price=20 and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D=20 converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage = on LF=20 because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound=20 card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think = its worth=20 persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks people = have been=20 opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It looks = like=20 they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX suppiers do. = Oh and=20 the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
------=_NextPart_000_070C_01CD4FFD.88A27200-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 52C133800009C; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScQNb-0007tm-Aq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 01:15:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScQNa-0007td-O2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 01:15:10 +0100 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScQNY-0007hw-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 01:15:09 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q570F3qd029335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:45:04 -0230 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:45:03 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MUN-Disclaimer: http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/elect_communications_disclaimer_2012.php X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. 73 Joe VO1NA [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: aee9e5eeb35c86f052d502ac97832558 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:426795136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174fcff2fa2d5b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. 73 Joe VO1NA This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 26D97380000A1; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Samxo-0006J1-6P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:57:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Samxn-0006Is-Ox for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:57:47 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Samxl-0005Bs-U5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:57:46 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d10 with ME id HPxi1j0060Lx2rm03PxiW9; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:57:45 +0200 Message-ID: <3D4B0B405E7D41FEBDD5A548EB7DFF8A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:57:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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G.. 11:54 500 M0FMT de M0FMT Op4 0 mi +6 dB in HITCHIN with 0w + LW up 35ft 11:54 500 M0FMT de PA0A Op4 288 mi -20 dB in Lucaswolde with 0w + LW up 35ft [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 968492e608ae81f946d7c13a3d073eeb Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD40BF.4BCF2410" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452175424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fc9fff3363c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD40BF.4BCF2410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So far , so good ! G.. 11:54 500 M0FMT de M0FMT Op4 0 mi +6 dB in HITCHIN with 0w + LW up 35ft 11:54 500 M0FMT de PA0A Op4 288 mi -20 dB in Lucaswolde with 0w + LW up = 35ft 11:54 500 M0FMT de G4WGT Op4 149 mi -27 dB in IO83qo, nr Preston. with = 0w + LW u 11:54 500 M0FMT de G0NBD Op4 153 mi -27 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 deg = NO R From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:21 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD40BF.4BCF2410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So far , so good !
 
G..

11:54 500 M0FMT de M0FMT Op4 0 mi +6 dB in HITCHIN with 0w + LW up = 35ft

11:54 500 M0FMT de PA0A Op4 288 mi -20 dB in Lucaswolde with 0w + LW = up=20 35ft

11:54 500 M0FMT de G4WGT Op4 149 mi -27 dB in IO83qo, nr Preston. = with 0w +=20 LW u

11:54 500 M0FMT de G0NBD Op4 153 mi -27 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 = deg NO=20 R

 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:21 PM
Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD40BF.4BCF2410-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0612D38000088; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SclHy-0005zB-O3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:34:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SclHy-0005z2-8q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:34:46 +0100 Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SclHw-0004oy-CZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:34:45 +0100 Received: by bkty5 with SMTP id y5so2319704bkt.16 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:34:43 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AWyRpTENl3SSnsE0VWLHD/f6qF1rMh1nL6UzXS3CQKI=; b=ayxm/skQS0wztiZBdvz5aXNAHAPiGaQcKG4MC/5PkpabyvmA59coc6oEpKVstT4ACe m58IPWPoG/aEg+kiCiN7A34tK+jENWGYVRLvsZk6RI3qdxRQkP/A6z50b/ie1D6v780c Suxf9AO70lQ3UAeO1/7Z/+kEPvLjAWX4x2dWvhOJFeNX7K/iiIhC2/MMqIMM46zvQ1Fa 9URfQtbvecynvMJ8Xw2Emg7Hdxk9vnueZXhuUDe2CjnQ0dw+rmiddOI8lNDqnZLm24a9 xHh7QXL1b/bt/qc40+i7GSWHN8n2fkOSVzMmWjIqAoE9iqYq1+CceoH98Q8TkGWMubd/ PEeA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.137.5 with SMTP id im5mr3435018bkc.45.1339108483045; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.178.73 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:34:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 01:34:42 +0300 Message-ID: From: Chris 4X1RF To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, LF, Really nice copy now (22:00UTC) in Bucharest, here's the text: VVV VVV DE DK7FC DK7FC IN JN49IK JN49IK - 73 FROM HEIDELBERG DE DK7FC AR [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (chrisgomy[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: b8b011f938af8abc4b241335cabd0691 Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747698272991204c1e97df2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471697280:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d246.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904fd12cdb6944 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --00151747698272991204c1e97df2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, LF, Really nice copy now (22:00UTC) in Bucharest, here's the text: VVV VVV DE DK7FC DK7FC IN JN49IK JN49IK - 73 FROM HEIDELBERG DE DK7FC AR and a recording (about 13min long, mp3 mono 8KHz/16bit, 3175KB) I've made using the SpectrumLab (thanks Wolf!) QRSS-10 grabber configured with a 25Hz wide filter and 550Hz beat tone: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10280270/YO/DK7FC_Recording_7june2012/rec_%2806_08= _2012%29_2.mp3 Thanks for the signals! 73s Chris 4X1RF On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer < Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote: > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challeng= e > for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN > :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/**CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=3D** > 50&customRange=3D137so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to t= he LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > --00151747698272991204c1e97df2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan, LF,

Really nice copy now (22:00UTC) in Buch= arest, here's the text:

=A0VVV VVV DE DK7FC DK7FC IN JN49IK JN49IK - 73 FROM HEIDELBERG DE DK7FC AR

and a recording (about 13min long, mp3 mono 8KHz/16bit, 3175KB) I= 've made using the SpectrumLab (thanks Wolf!) QRSS-10 grabber configure= d with a 25Hz wide filter and 550Hz beat tone:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10280270/YO/DK7FC_Recording_7june2012/rec_%2= 806_08_2012%29_2.mp3


Thanks for the signals!

73s
Chris 4X1RF


On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote= :
LF!

I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high wit= h thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challeng= e for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN= :-)
In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.as= px?customCount=3D50&customRange=3D137 so this is worth to tr= y to gain some newcomers to the LF band!

73, Stefan/DK7FC


--00151747698272991204c1e97df2-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6DD7938000089; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbWTk-0003Cx-6m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:33:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbWTj-0003Co-JW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:33:47 +0100 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbWTh-0006VQ-8u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:33:46 +0100 Received: by wejx9 with SMTP id x9so5750861wej.16 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 05:33:44 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=jUefzTWqEJp30QvuZw6W8bXsyB+MXOFEqlAGPKElKz0=; b=p814E7J+Y+Wv2hJ0Vm/F0EYdbne0TcMyXB/t1TgjtI8a0RMHfVgNiAZ5/dvUbEkv24 VFsGgxkJjOWp0OsRkg07fKWu0sbEaA1Rs+I3m49VfE9I9vnKqI7m78Ol3SsHBT27YWfU +F/YiJiB7IVzTX8eBG5an8iA7/XY+RP0bCi+hNVYmR9Za6VlAGWbY4KsmWC5tiBuw7C7 q6uYNXO0UWFzTNdy6VHoVmucTZEUSYzN8Bubrx8cgnlca9QbXH2qTFfrIWfuFS9DuYQq 5RydR+uGnZAFXF/EnLt8AQV8AcJfa7ThJpMwSQbw5+HjzGbvqARyb3IVq9L1aLEpOA9a tQcg== Received: by 10.216.206.65 with SMTP id k43mr11101575weo.144.1338813220139; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 05:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc6-cmbg17-2-0-cust624.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com. [86.30.58.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d10sm31934433wiy.3.2012.06.04.05.33.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Jun 2012 05:33:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: Roger Lapthorn X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:33:33 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Mal, Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not me. Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 07fee8d4a4e8ea80934a0e0aaa44e788 Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-ED2792A4-9797-416A-BEFE-C93237F020A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:495366560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d005.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4fccab643256 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-ED2792A4-9797-416A-BEFE-C93237F020A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear Mal, Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not me.=20 Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" wrote: > Reference postings from G3XBM > I am concerned about items 9 and 10 > Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. > Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those VETTING a= nd what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a different opinion o= r point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR > What ever happens avoid him as a moderator > =20 > de g3kev > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan Melia ; Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer ; Mark= us Vester ; James Moritz=20 > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM > Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE >=20 > With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest that the LF-re= flector migrates to a Yahoo group? >=20 > In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or problem= s with any group to which I belong or moderate. >=20 > Instead they have had these advantages: > Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered in-boxes) > There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before messages are rec= eived. > All messages are archived and searchable. > Large files can be stored. > Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth. > Links can be stored/shared > Videos can be stored. > Polls can be run. > Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderators to speed up= the process) > Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. > Spam messages can be filtered > Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc) > The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot understand why t= he change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this week it is surely ti= me. >=20 > To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would take= about 30 seconds and migration to it by all interested members here would t= ake about a day at most. All you need is to agree a group name, who owns it,= who can moderate posts and some basic group ground rules/FAQs. >=20 > Please, think about it again.=20 >=20 > 73s > Roger G3XBM >=20 > --=20 > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ > http://qss2.blogspot.com/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-ED2792A4-9797-416A-BEFE-C93237F020A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Dear Mal,

Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not m= e. 

Please, stop this personal and nasty hate c= ampaign. 

73s
Roger
G3XBM<= /div>



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --
<= br>On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

Reference postings from G3XBM
I am concerned about items 9  and 10
Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members=20 banned.
Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the creden= tials of=20 those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a=20 different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of=20 HUMOUR
What ever happens avoid him as a moderator<= /div>
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51=20= PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yaho= o=20 group instead .....PLEASE

With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest= =20 that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group?

In over 10 years I= =20 have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or problems with any group to= =20 which I belong or moderate.

Instead they have had these advantages:=
  1. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered=20 in-boxes)
  2. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before messa= ges are=20 received.=20
  3. All messages are archived and searchable.
  4. Large files can be stored.
  5. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.
  6. Links can be stored/shared
  7. Videos can be stored.
  8. Polls can be run.=20
  9. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderators t= o speed=20 up the process)
  10. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
  11. Spam messages can be filtered
  12. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc)
The=20 advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot understand why the=20= change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this week it is surely=20 time.

To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or whateve= r)=20 would take about 30 seconds and migration to it by all interested members h= ere=20 would take about a day at most. All you need is to agree a group name, who= =20 owns it, who can moderate posts and some basic group ground=20 rules/FAQs.

Please, think about it again.

73s
Roger G3XB= M

--
http:/= /g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites= .google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

= --Apple-Mail-ED2792A4-9797-416A-BEFE-C93237F020A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8EACC38000085; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 05:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiMXP-0001PL-KD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:21:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiMXP-0001PC-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:21:51 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiMXN-0005CH-2R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:21:50 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 0EEBA128089.A06B6 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-1e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.33]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEBA128089 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:21:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06A654048 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:21:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::f5f7:d8cc:bee0:28d3%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:21:45 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: 630m band Wikipedia site Thread-Index: AQHNUNAnEminkl2lUkeCZp0BibuvgpcHnsub Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:21:44 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB3755@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FE5010A.4000900@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE5010A.4000900@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.12] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, all, why 630m band ? Of course I know 600m = 500kHz, but we (hams) always tend to use round number, eg: 7MHz = 40m band and not 42m band (40m wavelenght = 7.5MHz). The only HF band where the wavelenght given to it really falls inside the ham band is 80m (3,75MHz). Let's just call it 600m ? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: LF: RE: 630m band Wikipedia site Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:403770944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fe58afc3f14 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, all, why 630m band ? Of course I know 600m =3D 500kHz, but we (hams) always tend to use round nu= mber, eg: 7MHz =3D 40m band and not 42m band (40m wavelenght =3D 7.5MHz). The only HF band where the wavelenght given to it really falls inside the h= am band is 80m (3,75MHz). Let's just call it 600m ?=20 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: zaterdag 23 juni 2012 1:34 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: 630m band Wikipedia site MF, I just found a 630m band Wikipedia site in German, English and French language: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/630-Meter-Band Google says the site i 4 days old :-) Even a band plan is shown which seems to be preliminary... 73, Stefan/DK7FC= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 294573800009C; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg2WA-0002j7-BW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:34:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg2W9-0002iy-Q0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:34:57 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg2W7-0004Xl-SI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:34:56 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d40 with ME id PBat1j0094U6hVe03BatNA; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:34:54 +0200 Message-ID: <6B9D916957BB40B0A7B3CFD97D9902F4@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <0D4DC6EEC79B42328EDCDEFB0B10830B@AGB> <9BC6879BA28949A9A5292FB65ACD03BD@W1KW> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:34:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-1, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: And finally , off air decode at 554 Miles ! 23:23 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 554 mi -28 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 deg NO R From: Graham Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 14522a7d8bfffcae5e92e35059f18ae1 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0207_01CD4C21.03497570" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:467486656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d54fdd186213ea X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0207_01CD4C21.03497570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And finally , off air decode at 554 Miles ! 23:23 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 554 mi -28 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 deg = NO R From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 Ok Geri=20 Watching for your signal off air on 477 at the moment = .......just starting to go dark , web-browser froze , but now = back running , so am monitoring 477 via delft and off air = Liverpool at the moment . Ok, on the exciter, I use the Racal MA1723 , which will run ok = past 500 Khz , just checked and the ROS-MF 2 mode is -28 dB = min s/n =20 Its possible that 477.400 could be used , in the last 200 Hz , = as the mode is 100 Hz wide =20 Good results for you on the first day ! 73 -G.=20 From: DK8KW & DI2BO=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 Graham, I will look into ROS, I have a SSB exciter that works down to 100 kHz = which should be able to do the trick. Thanks, 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 DF2JP=20 First station to decode off air , at -22 dB that is strong = enough to use the ROS-MF-2 data mode for a qso ! , Opera qso = mode needs -20 dB min signal level ,=20 (ROS MF needs Audio + ssb or SDR tx , but is MFSK so no need = for a linear PA ) 18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w + = Umbrella,=20 18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com=20 Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft =20 73 -G.=20 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB *********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20 16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella ------=_NextPart_000_0207_01CD4C21.03497570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And finally , off  air  decode  = at =20 554 Miles  !

23:23 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 554 mi -28 dB in Nr Liverpool = beam 040=20 deg NO R


From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:58 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

Ok  Geri
 
Watching  for  your  signal  off  = air =20 on  477 at the  moment  .......just  starting  = to =20 go  dark  , web-browser  froze , but  now  = back =20 running  , so  am monitoring    477  = via =20 delft  and  off air  Liverpool  at the  moment = .
 
Ok, on the exciter, I use the   Racal MA1723 , = which =20 will  run  ok  past  500 Khz  , just =20 checked  and  the  ROS-MF 2 mode  is   -28 = dB  min  s/n 
 
Its possible  that  477.400  could  be  = used =20 , in the  last  200 Hz  , as the  mode  = is  100=20 Hz  wide 
 
Good  results for  you  on the  first  day = !
 
73 -G.

From: DK8KW & DI2BO
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

Graham,
 
I will look into ROS, I have a SSB = exciter=20 that works down to 100 kHz which should be able to do the=20 trick.
 
 
Thanks, 73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 9:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera = decode=20 from 477 via Delft sdr

DF2JP
 
First  station  to  decode  off  air , = at =20 -22 dB   that is  strong enough  to  use = the =20 ROS-MF-2  data  mode  for  a qso !   ,=20 Opera  qso mode  needs  -20 dB min signal  = level  ,=20
 
(ROS MF needs  Audio + ssb  or  SDR   = tx  ,=20 but  is  MFSK  so  no need  for  a  = linear=20 PA )
 

18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella,

18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com
Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

*********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20

 

16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

------=_NextPart_000_0207_01CD4C21.03497570-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 13111380000A7; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkFih-0006Js-O8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:29:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkFih-0006Jh-2a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:29:19 +0100 Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkFiY-0002mk-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:29:17 +0100 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Jypzi2EUumUg9x+MuCFGnsEIpW+iMeGSXGVbMibHBXXLP76XDPpE9gCpdJcFgCY5; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.68] (helo=wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SkFiC-0003sO-4a; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:28:48 -0400 Received: from 97.117.196.160 by webmail.c.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:28:47 -0400 Message-ID: <9632772.1340893727946.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:28:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Trask To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c2609aa86267d27a100d00c3863e78b47d2fca2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.68 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > > it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 > turns of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). > Nulling and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current > var cap, tuning range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be > moved to lower frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. > Until now I have only made some quick tests by inductively > coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a portable radio. > I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct > connection with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for > example a transformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a > transformer is recommended, is it advisable to use the main coil > as the primary winding? > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.86.89.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: Re: LF: Coupling a LF resonant ferrite rx antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:360579168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fec6a78707f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none > > it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 > turns of Litz wire over a bundle of=C2=A0seven 20cmx1cm rods). > Nulling and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current > var cap, tuning range is about 160-650 kHz and could=C2=A0easily be > moved to lower frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. > Until now I have only made some quick tests by inductively > coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a portable radio. > I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct > connection with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for > example a transformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a > transformer is recommended, is it advisable to use the main coil > as the primary winding? > You may want to look at how I approached this in an active ferrite rod= antenna that I designed some time ago: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper006.html Chris Trask N7ZWY / WDX3HLB Senior Member IEEE http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EF71E380000AB; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCnA-0001S0-QL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:32:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCnA-0001Rr-Db for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:32:32 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCn6-0002Ap-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:32:31 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlIJAKmCy09Ok80K/2dsb2JhbABEsngEgSWBCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDSQIWEAYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh3UJtVOLEU6CLIMWA409kH6GVoJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="394717847" Received: from host-78-147-205-10.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.205.10]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 16:32:26 +0100 Message-ID: <00fd01cd419e$130b0560$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00a201cd4197$444c2340$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <00db01cd4199$36b3fee0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:32:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Now for technical information I just had a qso on 502 CW with PA0WMR 599 each way. Where are the other 155 LF/MF subscribers maybe QSO only via YAHOO and 4G also now CQ on 136.5 CW pse call, nil hrd so far de Mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 2e2f7cbbe9f38dd7bf3fac4fc012e6fc Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464642944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4fcb83d14d10 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Now for technical information I just had a qso on 502 CW with PA0WMR 599 each way. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, I got a callsign in Feb this year, so it is pretty new. Only little activity on VHF repeaters so far, plus plans for attempting QRP /p on 20m. Free time is tight and new ideas to experiment with seem to never stop... :-) 73 Daniele IZ5WWB [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.90 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-67346210-1211178199-1340401559=:71504" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:308898560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m012.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fe4e7d073fc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---67346210-1211178199-1340401559=:71504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan, I got a callsign in Feb this year, so it is pretty new. Only = little activity on VHF repeaters so far, plus plans for attempting QRP /p o= n 20m. Free time is tight and new ideas to experiment with seem to never st= op... :-)=0A73=0ADaniele IZ5WWB=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A= Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0AA: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: Venerd=EC 22 Giugno 2012 23:30=0AOggetto: = Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?=0A =0A=0AHi Daniele, =0A=0AI th= ink the others have already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ).=0ABut wh= at i want to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio=0Acall? I've = never heared from it so far. Or is it new?=0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A=0AAm 22= .06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tincani: =0A=0A>=0A>73 =0A>Daniele IZ5WWB = =0A> ---67346210-1211178199-1340401559=:71504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Stefan, I got a callsign in Feb this year, so it i= s pretty new. Only little activity on VHF repeaters so far, plus plans for = attempting QRP /p on 20m. Free time is tight and new ideas to experiment wi= th seem to never stop... :-)
73
Daniele IZ5WWB

Da:= Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <= br> Inviato: Venerd=EC 22 = Giugno 2012 23:30
Oggetto:= Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?

=0A=0A= =0A=0A =0A=0A
=0AHi Daniele,
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=0AI think the others h= ave already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ).
=0ABut what i wan= t to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio=0Acall? I've neve= r heared from it so far. Or is it new?
=0A
=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC
=0A=
=0AAm 22.06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tincani:=0A=0A
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73
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<= /div> ---67346210-1211178199-1340401559=:71504-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D0E253800008F; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sabdw-00044W-4I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:52:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sabdv-00044N-K4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:52:31 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sabdt-0003cW-W0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:52:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q51NqSo4017465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:52:28 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q51NqSxD017069 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:52:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4FC95566.1010309@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:51:02 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7F143.7080106@psk31.plus.com> <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> <4FC921C8.9010705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <435D293248114658AC53DFB8A3C50493@Extensa> In-Reply-To: <435D293248114658AC53DFB8A3C50493@Extensa> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Peter, Am 01.06.2012 23:16, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hello Stefan, > > I use version 2.77 b13 here. > I ask it, just to be sure all 4 Spectrum labs are not pulling the SR > individual into a other direction... The actual SR of the soundcard is not changed but the correct sample rate will be calculated in the SL instance. It is like automatically adding the offset in the background.. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7aa9ad08848e488e22e0ff1d71f4ef1d Subject: Re: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438325728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fc956257abc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Peter, Am 01.06.2012 23:16, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hello Stefan, > > I use version 2.77 b13 here. > I ask it, just to be sure all 4 Spectrum labs are not pulling the SR > individual into a other direction... The actual SR of the soundcard is not changed but the correct sample rate will be calculated in the SL instance. It is like automatically adding the offset in the background.. > > Sometimes happpens something similar at my job when a cable reel > starts rolling and a colleague wants to slow it down and the other > just wants him rol quicker. > They go grumbling to each other.... :-) That sound s good! And you sit beside them and watch them, right? :-) 73, Stefan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F08FA3800008A; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbXk4-0003jf-Ex for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:54:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbXk3-0003jW-Id for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:54:43 +0100 Received: from smtp3web.tin.it ([212.216.176.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbXk1-0006tv-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:54:42 +0100 Received: from fep-mail-web-l2b.virgilio.net (212.48.20.162) by smtp3web.tin.it (8.6.023.02) id 4ECA5B5302D75750 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:54:39 +0200 Message-ID: <137b7c6a9d9.marcocadeddu@tin.it> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:54:39 +0200 (CEST) From: "marcocadeddu@tin.it" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 81.201.7.62 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear LF, I'm really thinking about stop subscription to groups and enjoy ham radio on the air.. We have still a bit of freedom and we can meet the same people in more than a group! If I have time to check on 2 reflectors is fine but sure I hate to loose time to delete a huge amount of messages.. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.216.176.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (marcocadeddu[at]tin.it) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: c8ff00257edaad8e124ab9389da9609a Subject: R: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484059040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fccbe5b3670 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear LF, I'm really thinking about stop subscription to groups and=20 enjoy ham radio on the air.. We have still a bit of freedom and we can=20 meet the same people in more than a group! If I have time to check on 2=20 reflectors is fine but sure I hate to loose time to delete a huge=20 amount of messages.. 73 CU on air Marco IK1HSS ----Messaggio=20 originale---- Da: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com Data: 4-giu-2012 2.33 PM A:=20 "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Ogg: Re:=20 LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Dear Mal, Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF=20 group? Not me.=20 Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at=20 13:17, "mal hamilton" wrote: > Reference=20 postings from G3XBM > I am concerned about items 9 and 10 > Messages=20 can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. > Sounds like a POLICE=20 state and what are the credentials of those VETTING and what is a=20 DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a different opinion or point=20 of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR > What ever happens avoid=20 him as a moderator > =20 > de g3kev > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message=20 ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan=20 Melia ; Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer ; Markus Vester ; James Moritz=20 > Sent:=20 Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM > Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE >=20 > With the latest outage (5 days already)=20 may I again suggest that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group? >=20 > In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or=20 problems with any group to which I belong or moderate. >=20 > Instead=20 they have had these advantages: > Messages can be read on the web if=20 preferred (saves cluttered in-boxes) > There is rarely a delay of more=20 than a few minutes before messages are received. > All messages are=20 archived and searchable. > Large files can be stored. > Photos can be=20 stored - 100Gigs worth. > Links can be stored/shared > Videos can be=20 stored. > Polls can be run. > Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a=20 number of moderators to speed up the process) > Difficult members can=20 be banned in exceptional circumstances. > Spam messages can be filtered > Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc) > The=20 advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot understand why=20 the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this week it is=20 surely time. >=20 > To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or=20 whatever) would take about 30 seconds and migration to it by all=20 interested members here would take about a day at most. All you need is=20 to agree a group name, who owns it, who can moderate posts and some=20 basic group ground rules/FAQs. >=20 > Please, think about it again.=20 >=20 >=20 73s > Roger G3XBM >=20 > --=20 > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http: //www.g3xbm.co.uk > https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ > http: //qss2.blogspot.com/ >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5B46D380000B1; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjITT-0002ch-CD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:13:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjITS-0002cY-Ru for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:13:38 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjITQ-0000Iu-HX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:13:37 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5PNDYlD025145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:13:36 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5PNDYZX013536 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:13:34 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE8F02F.2030304@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:11:43 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE8E412.5000909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <9B92E5E758664934B13502459785E3F5@AGB> In-Reply-To: <9B92E5E758664934B13502459785E3F5@AGB> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5PNDYlD025145 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes, in any way it would be nice again to put some focus on VLF. It's a long time ago i regularly monitored my own VLF grabber (http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html). Looks like SAQ has tuned up today for a time arround 10 UTC. The Alphas are OFF again and the noise is maybe 10 dB higher than in winther, as a maximum. I do not change the brightness between summer and winther. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 027eb28428a0ed4e20e06b28d08cfc7b Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:463900128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad14fe8f0f93cce X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes, in any way it would be nice again to put some focus on VLF. It's a=20 long time ago i regularly monitored my own VLF grabber=20 (http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html). Looks like SAQ has tuned up today for a time arround 10 UTC. The Alphas=20 are OFF again and the noise is maybe 10 dB higher than in winther, as a=20 maximum. I do not change the brightness between summer and winther. Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? How long does it take to get a full decode in that mode and what is the=20 content of the decoded message? If 4 H means 4 hours and the content is=20 a full callsign and locator (about like in WOLF) then maybe it can be=20 compared with DFCW-120? If so, i guess the range of a 1 mW ERP station=20 will be below 100 km, if conds are good (i.e. no QRN and during the gap=20 in the morning which is arround 8...11 UTC) and the RX is is typical. We know that no digimode can do miracles. However we often saw stations=20 just transmitting a few dashes. If these dashes will satisfy all, it=20 would be fine. Due to other projects (ah, i remember, it was the LF DX to VK times) i=20 stopped the local VLF experiments with the LOPT transformer. Also is=20 showed me that there is no real alternative to an air coil if a serious=20 ERP is goal. That was clear in advance but the proof was clearer than i=20 thought. As i write these lines, a small VLF flame starts to burn again. But=20 there is the MF project on the table as well... What about all the other VLF transmitting stations? We have been 7=20 (OK2BVG, OE3GHB, DF6NM, G3XIZ, DJ8WX, OE5ODL, PA3CPM, DK7FC) who passed=20 distances above 1 Lambda. Did i forget someone? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.06.2012 00:39, schrieb Graham: > Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of=20 > the UK as well ! > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > >> Mal, >> >> Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: >>> Stefan >>> This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on th= e >>> Dreamers band. >> Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due=20 >> to your higher antenna C and mains availability. >> You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. >> >>> I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with=20 >>> other >>> persuits at present. >>> >> Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large=20 >> tube. 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul=20 >> Nicholsons grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very=20 >> helpful for the first tests! >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" >>> To: >>> Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM >>> Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >>> >>> >>> >>>> VLF, >>>> >>>> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >>>> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >>>> Darmstadt,=20 >>>> http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run >>>> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >>>> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >>>> earthquake precursors. >>>> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced=20 >>>> him to >>>> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He >>>> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU=20 >>>> resources >>>> for that at the moment though. >>>> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >>>> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49HV80ST&from=3Djn49ik00wd so = it >>>> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) ev= en >>>> in summer. >>>> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF=20 >>>> event. >>>> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June=20 >>>> 2012 >>>> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to=20 >>>> extend it. >>>> >>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>> >>>> >>> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2971A3800008C; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sk0EC-0003H4-ET for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:56:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sk0EC-0003Gv-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:56:48 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sk0EA-00070F-C2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:56:46 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5RLuiNx026150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:56:44 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5RLuhM8024276 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:56:43 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEB812B.1070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:54:51 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> <007801cd548c$884a2e90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Niels, Are you still QRV? I could try in 15 minutes if you are ready.. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 27.06.2012 20:03, schrieb Niels Rask: > sure m8 i am up 4 qso qsx 502 de oz7foc > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: oz7foc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090506060704000908000803" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448758752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844feb81ca0731 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090506060704000908000803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niels, Are you still QRV? I could try in 15 minutes if you are ready.. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 27.06.2012 20:03, schrieb Niels Rask: > sure m8 i am up 4 qso qsx 502 de oz7foc > --------------090506060704000908000803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niels,

Are you still QRV? I could try in 15 minutes if you are ready..
73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 27.06.2012 20:03, schrieb Niels Rask:
sure m8 i am up 4 qso qsx 502 de oz7foc

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This is the digital version of Pitcairn Island now, with Mal as the Master's Mate .. Bread fruit anyone ? G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Ziegler" Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:07 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? > Hi Stefan, > > This is not for the LF loop tuner, which uses a 15kV vacuum > variable and is working fine. The capacitor is for a balanced, > link-coupled HF tuner. I should have marked my post as OT. > > 73 Warren > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Stefan Schfer > wrote: >> Probably, if Warren wants to have replacement parts for his transmit loop >> tuner, then he will need parts of another league. 4 kV is nothing as well >> as >> 10 A RF current in a loop is nothing :-) >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 24.06.2012 14:00, schrieb Clemens Paul: >> >>> Hi Warren, >>> >>> perhaps you might might find something suitable there: >>> http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm >>> >>> They have - among other stuff - split stator cap. kits up to >>> 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). >>> >>> >>> You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator >>> capacitor, >>> so you maybe could realize other values. >>> >>> >>> 73 >>> Clemens >>> DL4RAJ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" >>> To: "rsgb_lf_group" >>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM >>> Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? >>> >>> >>> Hello the list, >>> Has anyone had 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with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgymc-0003r7-35 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:47:50 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgymZ-0004A1-HR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:47:48 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoFAAaC4E9cHY3C/2dsb2JhbABFoAQDlUyBCA+CBAUBAQUIAQEDPA0CLAEBAwUCAQMEDQMBAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd+uUmLL4J+gxsDiBCFNJdegmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,437,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="390310597" Received: from host-92-29-141-194.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.141.194]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 14:47:39 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01cd4e22$16e51960$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003201cd4e1f$dbced390$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4ED454405DBF49DB9245AA09607234DD@TraceyPC> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:47:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx Tracy Good radio check otherwise the band is quiet at present. Back out to the fields, more hard work !! Nice day here sunny but an odd cloud drifts by 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracey Gardner To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:37 PM Subject: LF: Re: SA [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.2 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: c40596c1cc3306f1877076595a921c57 Subject: LF: Re: Re: SA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01CD4E22.168CE740" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:463095744:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054fe08373797b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CD4E22.168CE740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Tracy Good radio check otherwise the band is quiet at present. Back out to the = fields, more hard work !! Nice day here sunny but an odd cloud drifts by 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracey Gardner=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:37 PM Subject: LF: Re: SA Hello mal That's from Darlowo in Poland, a military airfield I believe and the = NDB is activated when required. It's just over 700 miles from me and is always a good signal. 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: LF: SA SA beacon audible at present on 472.5 approx. good signal g3kev No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2437/5078 - Release Date: = 06/18/12 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CD4E22.168CE740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Tracy
Good radio check otherwise the band is quiet at = present.=20 Back out to the fields, more hard work !! Nice day here sunny but an odd = cloud=20 drifts by
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tracey Gardner
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 1:37=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: SA

Hello mal
 
That's from Darlowo in Poland, a military airfield I believe and = the NDB=20 is activated when required.
It's just over 700 miles from me and is always a good = signal.
 
73s Tracey
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 2:31=20 PM
Subject: LF: SA

SA beacon audible at present on 472.5 = approx.=20 good signal
g3kev
 

No virus found in this=20 message.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear John, LF Groups --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "John" wrote: > > Am I right in thinking that most people have transitioned to the new group > here, and that I can ask the sysop to delete the remaining addresses on > the list? [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.65 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1f795a2ee1ecd56682b47ad11969b3d3 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:420741952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608c4fcb2e874dc2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear John, LF Groups --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "John" wrote: > > Am I right in thinking that most people have transitioned to the new group > here, and that I can ask the sysop to delete the remaining addresses on > the list? At the moment, there are two RSGB LF Groups, with postings that overlap but are not the same. This is a confusing situation leaving you wondering which group to send replies to, etc. So I think one or the other needs to be deleted, I guess you have to delete the one that will upset the fewest people... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7FA15380000BE; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si4hc-0005kY-01 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:19:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si4hb-0005kP-D8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:19:11 +0100 Received: from smtp06.online.nl ([194.134.42.51]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si4hY-0005n7-85 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:19:10 +0100 Received: from smtp06.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp06.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D17C968D0 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:19:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s529d275f.adsl.wanadoo.nl [82.157.39.95]) by smtp06.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:19:07 +0200 (CEST) From: To: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:19:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120622-0, 22-06-2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp06.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Daniele, some months ago I made a broadbanded ferriterod to cope with heavy qrm on the 80 and 160m band.The ferite comes from a submarine and is specified 10KHz to 4 MHZ with a symmetrical feedingcable to a ELK675 or other receiver without a preamp.Since I don't have such a receiver I made a balanced two stage amp with 4x BD139 grounded base.The antenna copes good with the QRM on 80 and 160,it also performs very well on the MW broadcastband.In the range 200-500KHz it is sometimes better than the E-probe,below 200KHz the E-probe wins.IM is no problem but maby the noise of the amp is to high below 200KHz. The ferriterod is about750X100mm! I don't think the 12AU7 is a good choice for a low inputimpedance amp...Zinput 2X BD139 is about 3 Ohm. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.134.42.51 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 54c274b8b0f8da777e8f702c98fe24ad Subject: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD5092.BF6B73F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:360805504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fe47f1c771d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD5092.BF6B73F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Daniele, some months ago I made a broadbanded ferriterod to cope with heavy qrm on the 80 and 160m band.The ferite comes from a submarine and is specified 10KHz to 4 MHZ with a symmetrical feedingcable to a ELK675 or other receiver without a preamp.Since I don't have such a receiver I made a balanced two stage amp with 4x BD139 grounded base.The antenna copes good with the QRM on 80 and 160,it also performs very well on the MW broadcastband.In the range 200-500KHz it is sometimes better than the E-probe,below 200KHz the E-probe wins.IM is no problem but maby the noise of the amp is to high below 200KHz. The ferriterod is about750X100mm! I don't think the 12AU7 is a good choice for a low inputimpedance amp...Zinput 2X BD139 is about 3 Ohm. 73 GL Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele Tincani Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 9:42 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Hello LF, I apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was already largely debated here. I have seven of those quite known russian surplus ferrite rods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun - I'm planning to spend some time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF and/or LF-MF, suitable for outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some suggestions about is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? I found an unused 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be effectively chosen as the active device (low voltage) for such amplifier? Thank you for any feedback 73 Daniele IZ5WWB ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD5092.BF6B73F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Daniele,
 
some=20 months ago I made a broadbanded ferriterod to cope with heavy qrm on the = 80 and=20 160m band.The ferite comes from a submarine and is specified 10KHz to 4 = MHZ with=20 a symmetrical feedingcable to a ELK675 or other receiver without a = preamp.Since=20 I don't have such a receiver I made a balanced two stage amp with 4x = BD139=20 grounded base.The antenna copes good with the QRM on 80 and 160,it also = performs=20 very well on the MW broadcastband.In the range 200-500KHz it is = sometimes better=20 than the E-probe,below 200KHz the E-probe wins.IM is no problem but maby = the=20 noise of the amp is to high below 200KHz.
The=20 ferriterod is about750X100mm!
I=20 don't think the 12AU7 is a good choice for a low inputimpedance = amp...Zinput 2X=20 BD139 is about 3 Ohm.
 
73
GL
Victor
PA3FNY
 
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele=20 Tincani
Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 9:42
Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: Ferrite = broadband=20 (LF-MF) antenna?

Hello LF,
 
I apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was already = largely=20 debated here. I have seven of those quite known russian surplus = ferrite=20 rods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun - I'm planning to spend = some time=20 in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain=20 a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF and/or LF-MF, = suitable=20 for outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some suggestions = about is=20 the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in = air-core=20 broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? I found = an unused=20 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be effectively chosen as = the=20 active device (low voltage) for such amplifier?
Thank you for any feedback
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD5092.BF6B73F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B51613800009B; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SceNF-0002Sc-TX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:11:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SceNF-0002ST-Fz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:11:45 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SceNC-0002Tc-Mz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:11:44 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Jun 2012 15:11:41 -0000 Received: from p5B39564A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.86.74] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 17:11:41 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+HGukpMEKH7oNJIlE35c8TSuwWGgYlhJ6NHvfdNu MPtBjWsICZM71K Message-ID: <000901cd44bf$d7d97f10$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 17:11:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Stefan, here S>9 / SNR 20dB in 100Hz BW. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.23 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: LF: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:465970496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ca4fd0c4ee04da X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, here S>9 / SNR 20dB in 100Hz BW. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:Sdostbayern,12,90006O/48,4150N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN68KJ79WJ Perseus mit Dipol 2x156m ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challenge for > your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 so > this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > ----- > E-Mail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5053 - Ausgabedatum: 06.06.2012 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0B5F43800008E; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SatYW-0000v0-4J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:00:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SatYV-0000ur-M5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:00:07 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SatYT-0006sY-Tz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:00:06 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q52J03Q8010287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:00:04 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q52J03Hm019899 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:00:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA625B.4050505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:58:35 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1338658900.90499.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338658900.90499.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete, LF, Pete, the RIG sounds good. Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well? We could try for a QSO if you like. So far i didn't see you there on the band if i remember correctly. 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: LF: LF/MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040007090002070800060406" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:423478784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fca62ee25ae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040007090002070800060406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete, LF, Pete, the RIG sounds good. Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well? We could try for a QSO if you like. So far i didn't see you there on the band if i remember correctly. 73, Stefan Am 02.06.2012 19:41, schrieb M0FMT: > The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power (depending upon > output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's > currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators > for the logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this > rig, limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could > separate the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the device I supose. > The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer > via a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the "Top" of the > transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon insulating > washers throught the wall and straight up to the 8inch ribbed > glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope to a 24foot mast (soon > to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long earthing wires. > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > --------------040007090002070800060406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete, LF,

Pete, the RIG sounds good. Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well? We could try for a QSO if you like. So far i didn't see you there on the band if i remember correctly.

73, Stefan

Am 02.06.2012 19:41, schrieb M0FMT:
 
The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power (depending upon output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for the logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the device I supose.
The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer via a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the "Top" of the transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon insulating washers throught the wall and straight up  to the 8inch ribbed glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope to a 24foot mast (soon to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long earthing wires.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Have you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not sure if it is the same on both ends? I would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both ends. Mike G3JVL Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4a8faa6952847c1ec651f883b63fc053 Subject: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD5643.11EFD3E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498498368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fee1878509e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD5643.11EFD3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Stefan Have you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not sure if it is the same on both ends? I would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both ends. Mike G3JVL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Schfer Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try... -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 Von: Stefan Schfer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473 kHz. It is available at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbaute ile.html (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very high. See the image: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%2 0473%20kHz.png So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jp g which shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2433.1.1/5098 - Release Date: 06/29/12 07:34:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD5643.11EFD3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan=20
Have=20 you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not sure if = it is=20 the same on both ends?
I=20 would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both = ends.
Mike=20 G3JVL
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From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan=20 Sch=E4fer
Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27
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Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed,=20 mechanical filters

4th try...

--------=20 Original-Nachricht --------=20
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-heide= lberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

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Hi Mal / LF + MF

Think that WSPR for Beacon and JT65 for QSO  also Intresting for Tests on MF.
My Friend Martin make Test's in WSPR in Moment, Hope to try my first QSO with Him.

best Regard's to All on The New Band or LF

73'
Herbert DG3MDE

Gesendet: Samstag, 16. Juni 2012 um 15:58 Uhr
Von: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
An: rsgb <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Betreff: LF: amtor 473
MF
Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been associated with marine communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the new band. Get your PK232  and KAM tnc's out and ready.
 
de mal/g3kev
 


  

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--refeiks-b6513796-1cb2-4ba8-826d-b866c55ed07b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EE88838000081; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgtsA-0002pn-GS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:33:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgts9-0002pe-WC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:33:13 +0100 Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.169.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sgts7-00028t-Vt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:33:12 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5J8X7ji031866 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:33:07 -0400 Received: from core-dle004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dle004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.166.141]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B9E3BE000081 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:33:07 -0400 (EDT) References: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: f4dtl@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 36445 - BASIC Received: from 90.84.146.194 by webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.85) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:33:07 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF1C0D496BC967-1910-1C5BE@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [90.84.146.194] Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:33:07 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340094787; bh=QOXq1CihoLwJW/Xw6Ye9w/voi4+5DStpH2w4zBsk0n8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ArZemoU5rcMC3jK7uHNQofK01rjkmRiXUt3V3U1f/taGCICyOszuPps0sz9Q8ISCB 9Ns2e5zHzDD4v9etdxCUnC7frEb9s/p7bEg1HCkJvGwwfYzKw4tvoAnncubjSaMreG 2vlmSAFZC1wpAKbGKy3acgmShC/u7GEv+X+CfQJk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:384884288:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: We will remind you of the Grimeton Radio/SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz, CW, with the Alexanderson alternator on Sunday July 1, 2012 ,“Alexanderson Day”, at 09:00 UTC and 12:00 UTC.  We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before message. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.169.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (f4dtl[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 7574eaf38ab90cf371fa9661dd9329b0 Subject: LF: SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz,CW Sunday July 1, 2012 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF1C0D4977B04C_1910_5A5BD_webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_70_80, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:433526944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m017.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fe039973883 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF1C0D4977B04C_1910_5A5BD_webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" We will remind you of the Grimeton Radio/SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz, CW,= with the Alexanderson alternator on Sunday July 1, 2012 ,=E2=80=9CAlexande= rson Day=E2=80=9D, at 09:00 UTC and 12:00 UTC. =C2=A0 We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before message. The radio station is open to visitors. There will be activity on amateur radio frequencies with the call "SK6SAQ" = from 09:15 to 11:30 UTC and 12:15 to 13:00 UTC. =C2=A0 Any of following frequencies: - 14.035 kHz CW - 14.215 kHz SSB =C2=A0 >From 07:00 UTC also on: -=C2=A0=C2=A0 3.755 kHz SSB =C2=A0 QSL-reports are kindly received: =C2=A0 - E-mail to: info@alexander.n.se =C2=A0 - or fax to: +46-340-674195 =C2=A0 - or via: SM bureau =C2=A0 - or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios Vaenner, =C2=A0 Radiostationen=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 Grimeton 72 =C2=A0 SE-432 98 GRIMETON, SWEDEN (NB: new address) =C2=A0 Also read our web site: www.alexander.n.se =C2=A0 Yours Lars Kalland SM6NM ----------MB_8CF1C0D4977B04C_1910_5A5BD_webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
We will remind you of the Grimeton Radio/SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz, = CW, with the Alexanderson alternator on Sunday July 1, 2012 ,=E2=80=9CAlexanderson Day=E2=80=9D, = at 09:00 UTC and <= SPAN style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-GB" lang=3DEN-GB>12:00 UTC.
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We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before message.
The radio station is open to visitors.
There will be activity on amateur radio frequencies with the call "SK6SAQ" from 09:15 to 11:30 UTC an= d 12:15 to 13:00 UTC.
&nb= sp;
Any of following frequencies:
- 14.035 kHz CW
- 14.215 kHz SSB
 
From 07:00 UTC also on:
-   3.755 kHz SSB
&nb= sp;
QSL-reports are kindly received:
&nb= sp;
- E= -mail to: info@alexander.n.se<= /FONT>
&nb= sp;
- or fax to: +46-340-674195
&nb= sp;
- or via: SM bureau
&nb= sp;
- or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios Vaenner,
  Radiostationen       &n= bsp;            = ;      
  Gri= meton 72
  SE-432 98 GRIMETON, S= WEDEN (NB: new address)
 
Als= o read our web site: www.alexa= nder.n.se
&nb= sp;
Yours
Lars Kalland
SM6NM
----------MB_8CF1C0D4977B04C_1910_5A5BD_webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2FEB338000134; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfyDX-0008Ji-E7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:59:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfyDW-0008JZ-Jl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:59:26 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfyDU-0003KU-D4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:59:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P6zP1j0034U6hVe036zPi3; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:59:23 +0200 Message-ID: <3320CE2FC7164785BFE50ABBF7EE3C6F@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8146402EAAE443729F66C932F047B78D@AGB> <4FDCC7A4.6080608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1728F969CC6A46E9B1579E8818B344EB@AGB> <4FDCCFE5.30905@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDCCFE5.30905@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:59:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: FB, Stef, Will tune to 477k now ,only a few hours of day light , signals should start to show qsb soon as the skip starts , will leave the Rx on 477 to may be 2300 gmt 2400 local time .. Still same s/n from >> 18:44 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4007433f91838c822ced221546b88d5a Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0138_01CD4BFA.865C1020" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451581888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054fdcd7d825ce X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01CD4BFA.865C1020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FB, Stef, Will tune to 477k now ,only a few hours of day light , signals = should start to show qsb soon as the skip starts , will leave = the Rx on 477 to may be 2300 gmt 2400 local time .. Still same s/n from >> 18:44 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB GL . G..=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:26 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft OK. Give me some time, i will consider... Still no signal in Delft. Seems they use a band filter centered arround = 505 kHz. Maybe i'm some dB down there... 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 20:04, schrieb Graham:=20 OK Stefan, well all you need is to send carrier on ( 477KHz + 1700 = Hz) =3D 478.700 KHz , use Opera set to 500KHz OP4 mode Tx = and after 4 mins , you will have a s/n report from all tuned to = 477 KHz : ) 17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB =20 G.. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now, = works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW. Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First = tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals. = It's slowly starting here now. I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... = I still have no idea about MF propagation... Exciting! :-) 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham:=20 Ok Stefan ,=20 What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the = RX to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly = into io83lk hihi 73 -G..=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,=20 Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM = to extend the range... Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:=20 Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range = .... ! Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise = .should work ?=20 G..=20 http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01CD4BFA.865C1020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FB, Stef,
 
Will  tune to 477k   now ,only  a  = few  hours=20 of  day light  , signals should  start to =  show =20 qsb  soon  as the  skip  starts , will  leave = the =20 Rx on  477  to  may be  2300 = gmt    =20 2400 local  time ..
 
Still  =20 same  s/n  from  >> 18:44 500 DK8KW Op4 -29=20 dB
 
GL . G..
 

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:26 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft

OK. Give me some time, i will consider...
Still no = signal in=20 Delft. Seems they use a band filter centered arround 505 kHz. Maybe i'm = some dB=20 down there...

73, Stefan

Am 16.06.2012 20:04, schrieb = Graham:=20
OK  Stefan,
 
well   all  you  need  is to   = send  carrier  on   ( 477KHz  + 1700 = Hz)  =3D=20    478.700 KHz  , use  Opera  set to  = 500KHz=20   OP4  mode Tx   and  after  4 mins ,  = you=20 will  have  a  s/n report  from  all  = tuned=20 to  477 KHz  : )
 

17:53 500 DK8KW=20 Op4 -29 dB  

 
G..
 

From: Stefan Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW = key input=20 now, works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a = bit=20 CW.
Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active = antenna. First=20 tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur = signals. It's=20 slowly starting here now.
I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but=20 saw/heared nothing in Delft... I still have no idea about MF=20 propagation...
Exciting! :-)

73, Stefan

Am 16.06.2012 = 18:21,=20 schrieb Graham:=20
Ok Stefan ,
 
What mode  are  sending  ? opera ?  = If =20 so  then   I will   set the  RX = to =20 477  as  well  , Im sure  some  = signal =20 will  leak   directly into  io83lk  = hihi
 
73 -G..

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,

Most useful = link! I=20 forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the=20 range...

Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or = so.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:=20
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the =20 Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  = and =20 477  via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  = 500/477  ,=20 but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/
<= /BLOCKQUOTE>
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Content preview: Hi Stefan, 01:10z 73 Andrey [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [94.100.176.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rn3agc[at]mail.ru) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.1 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 1a92164900c4e119399f770c0cc93934 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4AEF.1FBF91E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81529 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427174272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m254.2 ; domain : mail.ru DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4094fdaeda22b4f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4AEF.1FBF91E0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Stefan, 01:10z 73 Andrey ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4AEF.1FBF91E0 Content-Type: image/png; name="120615-dk7fc.png" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="120615-dk7fc.png" 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Content preview: Mal All that useful info could be put on File on Yahoo group reflector and we would all know. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 14:53 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.231 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d0d76c369792b807e0925732d18ad9b1 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-165052591-1339082179=:2504" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497789088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d251.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fd0c5f15f28 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-165052591-1339082179=:2504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AMal=0AAll that useful info could be put on File on Yahoo group reflec= tor and we would all know.=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A___________= _____________________=0A From: mal hamilton =0ATo: r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 14:53=0ASubject= : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz=0A =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0AThere are several countr= ies in EU active on 500 Khz CW at =0Apresent. =0AThe info has been posted i= n the past=C2=A0 when countries =0Abecame active. Check the reflector daily= for more info. =0AG, GI, =C2=A0EA. ON, SQ, EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, LA OZ, 9H, = =0APA0, S52, DL4, YO, OH, =0AThat is all that I remember working so far bu= t maybe i =0Ahave missed some, must check my log. These stations are all ac= tive on normal CW =0Afrom around EU and there are others worldwide like W a= nd VE plus =0Aothers. =0Ade mal/g3kev =0A=0A----- Original Message ----- = =0A>From: manginbenoit.pro =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent:= Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:49 AM =0A>Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz = =0A>=0A>Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) granti= ng=C2=A0MF access to the amateur service so fast ?=0A>=0A>We in France =0A = still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our tutelage administrat= ion. =0A Or maybe am I not well =0Ainformed.=0A>=0A>73=0A>=0A>Ben=C2=A0=0A= >=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>> Message du 07/06/12 13:16=0A>>> De : "mal hamilton"= =0A>>> A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0A>>> =0A Copie =C3=A0 : =0A>>>= Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A Stefan=0A>>> I have ha= d QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also EI0CF =0A many times during= =0A>>> the winter months.=0A>>> I work QSO mode only =0A and no beacons.= =0A>>> I have also had some QSO'S with Russian stations, =0A they call m= e on 7033 and I=0A>>> reply on 502 normally although I have vfo =0A cont= rol.=0A>>> I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 but not =0A = SLOWER=0A>>> When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will end next= =0A January=0A>>> Mal/g3kev=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> ----- Original Message = =0A -----=0A>>> From: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer" =0A>>> To: =0A>>> Sent: Thur= sday, =0A June 07, 2012 10:45 AM=0A>>> Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz= =0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> > Hi Joe, LF,=0A>>> >=0A>>> > Yes, we're here =0A o= f course :-)=0A>>> > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX =0A = is home made and vy=0A>>> > narrow band. But i'm going to have a =0A = suitable RX in some time.=0A>>> > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz =0A al= locations. What happens to them when=0A>>> > the new 475 kHz band =0A be= comes permitted? Will you have an extended=0A>>> > frequency range =0A t= hen or will you have to QSY?=0A>>> > And what about the chances of =0A t= his band? How easy is a TA detection?=0A>>> > Would it be possible to =0A = have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance?=0A>>> > It would be possible = =0A for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however=0A>>> > with a 1W = =0A (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem...=0A>>> =0A = >=0A>>> > 73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A>>> >=0A>>> >=0A>>> > Am =0A 07.06.2012 = 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:=0A>>> > >=0A>>> > > =0A Hopefully someone = will read this on Baa Baa....=0A>>> > >=0A>>> =0A > > The beacon is runn= ing on a new frequency with a CW ID and=0A>>> =0A > > a 10 second carrie= r. Reports most welcomed.=0A>>> > =0A >=0A>>> > > 73=0A>>> > > Joe VO1NA= =0A>>> > =0A >=0A>>> > > This electronic communication is governed by th= e =0A terms and conditions at=0A>>> > >=0A>>> =0A http://www.mun.ca/c= c/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php=0A>>> =0A > >= =0A>>> >=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> --435439028-165052591-1339082179=:2504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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All that useful info could be put on File on Yahoo group reflector and we would all know.
73 es= GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktal= k.net>
To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 14:53
Subject:= Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz

=EF=BB=BF=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A
=0A
There are several countries in EU active on 500 Khz CW at =0Apresent.=
=0A
The info has been posted in the p= ast  when countries =0Abecame active. Check the reflector daily for mo= re info.
=0A
G, GI,  EA. ON, SQ, = EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, LA OZ, 9H, =0APA0, S52, DL4, YO, OH,
=0AThat is all that I remember working so far but mayb= e i =0Ahave missed some, must check my log. These stations are all active o= n normal CW =0Afrom around EU and there are others worldwide like W and VE = plus =0Aothers.
=0A
de mal/g3kev
=0A
 
=0A
= =0A
----- Original Message -----
=0A =0A =0A
Sent: Thursday, June 0= 7, 2012 11:49 =0A AM
=0A
Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 5= 04.1 kHz
=0A

Are there other EU countries (apart from = the British Isles) =0A granting MF access to the amateur service so f= ast ?

We in France =0A still did not hear even the smallest whisper= from our tutelage administration. =0A Or maybe am I not well =0Ainformed.=

73

Ben 




=0A
> =0A Message du 07/06/= 12 13:16
> De : "mal hamilton"
> A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> =0A= Copie =C3=A0 :
> Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
>
>= ; =0A Stefan
> I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic als= o EI0CF =0A many times during
> the winter months.
> I work = QSO mode only =0A and no beacons.
> I have also had some QSO'S wit= h Russian stations, =0A they call me on 7033 and I
> reply on 502 = normally although I have vfo =0A control.
> I work on CW and if co= ndx get difficult I work QRS3 but not =0A SLOWER
> When the new ba= nd starts the old 500 khz band will end next =0A January
> Mal/g3k= ev
>
>
> ----- Original Message =0A -----
> Fr= om: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, =0A June= 07, 2012 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
> =0A =
>
> > Hi Joe, LF,
> >
> > Yes, we're he= re =0A of course :-)
> > Unfortunately i still cannot receive o= n MF. My RX =0A is home made and vy
> > narrow band. But i'm go= ing to have a =0A suitable RX in some time.
> > BTW, what about= all the 500 kHz =0A allocations. What happens to them when
> >= the new 475 kHz band =0A becomes permitted? Will you have an extended> > frequency range =0A then or will you have to QSY?
> &g= t; And what about the chances of =0A this band? How easy is a TA detecti= on?
> > Would it be possible to =0A have a CW QSO over that 440= 0 km distance?
> > It would be possible =0A for me to radiate 1= kW ERP on that band, however
> > with a 1W =0A (EIRP of course= ) limitation, this may become a problem...
> =0A >
> >= 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> >
> >
> > Am =0A 07.06.20= 12 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:
> > >
> > > =0A = Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa....
> > >
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--435439028-165052591-1339082179=:2504-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2711038000097; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfDUK-0007fH-Eh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:05:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfDUK-0007f7-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:05:40 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfDUI-0001ol-G1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:05:38 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq0GAFgZ2k9cF/A+/2dsb2JhbABFg0GcJwOVUIEIgg8EFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEGAR05AQQaBiQdAQICAQGHfphSoTaRQwOIDoUyl12CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,411,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="384579341" Received: from host-92-23-240-62.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.62]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jun 2012 18:05:36 +0100 Message-ID: <006b01cd4a4f$ea9b98f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:05:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Now QAP es QRV on 500 Khz es QSX 472 search in between manufacturing my own charcoal for BBQ. The recently purchased charcoal does not meet my standards, ie dust and small chips and high price. de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 1708620d3ce65bee0beaaede7929769a Subject: LF: 500 es Charcoal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD4A4F.EA4848D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:269037856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4fda1a114298 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD4A4F.EA4848D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now QAP es QRV on 500 Khz es QSX 472 search in between manufacturing my = own charcoal for BBQ. The recently purchased charcoal does not meet my = standards, ie dust and small chips and high price.=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD4A4F.EA4848D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now QAP es QRV on 500 Khz es QSX 472 search in = between=20 manufacturing my own charcoal for BBQ. The recently purchased charcoal = does not=20 meet my standards, ie dust and small chips and high price.
 
de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD4A4F.EA4848D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E43C238000105; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjwa7-0002aZ-GO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:03:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjwa6-0002aQ-OZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:03:10 +0100 Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjwa5-0006Is-2G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:03:09 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=mail.dk; s=201207; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@mail.dk; t=1340820188; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Reply-To:X-TDCLU:X-TDC-Sender-From-IP:X-TDCCM:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=UUS9K7Wk1hz627MDcPnongPMbzdwem9nAw345wsptBk=; b=iUtU7S84+tjYnrgvqtSYiMMeTuc4lMBcP4Kl3txiVHjbn5Fw45fQNm/6UNu+ViR3 sjVVHrzoPfJhoFUIkM0s4w==; X-TDCO-HELO: oz7foc X-TDC-Sender-From-IP: 80.162.212.91 X-TDCCM: v=2.0 cv=JqpGZInO c=1 sm=0 a=2xLUAJHh/5GXj+iJBlPxmQ==:17 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=AJqwfebdmDb1zCp2fY8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=Xi3DQ3w6hQgyC-WUzooA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=2xLUAJHh/5GXj+iJBlPxmQ==:117 X-TDCLU: MTIwMTAxNDE5Mjcw Received: from [80.162.212.91] ([80.162.212.91:59312] helo=oz7foc) by fep43.mail.dk (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.50 r()) with ESMTPA id 85/15-24628-BDA4BEF4; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:03:07 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Niels Rask" To: References: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> <007801cd548c$884a2e90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:03:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: sure m8 i am up 4 qso qsx 502 de oz7foc ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: oz7foc Hi Niels We have worked many times before but thought u would like a QSO qsx on the new band I can hear u daytime as well as nite [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.41.46.226 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d0d76c369792b807e0925732d18ad9b1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: oz7foc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0508_01CD548F.1EE87620" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:478003392:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m011.2 ; domain : mail.dk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884feb4b163305 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0508_01CD548F.1EE87620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sure m8 i am up 4 qso qsx 502 de oz7foc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: oz7foc Hi Niels We have worked many times before but thought u would like a QSO qsx on = the new band I can hear u daytime as well as nite 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Niels Rask=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:59 AM Subject: LF: Re: oz7foc mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 rx on 472,5 and 502 de oz7foc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: LF: oz7foc I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on = this band I can hear ur CQ on 472.5=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0508_01CD548F.1EE87620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sure m8 i am up 4 qso qsx 502 de=20 oz7foc
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 = 5:44=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: = oz7foc

Hi Niels
We have worked many times before but thought u = would=20 like a QSO qsx on the new band
I can hear u daytime as well as = nite
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Niels Rask =
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, = 2012 5:59=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: oz7foc

mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 = rx on 472,5=20 and 502 de oz7foc
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, = 2012 7:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: oz7foc

I am calling you on 502 but you do not = seem to be=20 listening on this band
I can hear ur CQ on 472.5
 
 
de mal/g3kev
=
 
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Terry es Co
 
Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Google maps = then.
G3KEV/VR4MC
 
 .
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 20 Jun 2012, at 09:59, mal hamilton wrote: > When you call an ex class B on cw he does not reply because he never learned morse code. Mal, Thats not quite true. I know 'B Class" who send very good CW. They might be in the minority though. I also have heard some G3's with the same problem. One famously through his key out of the shack window when he got his ticket!!! 73, Clive g8poc [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 2e2f7cbbe9f38dd7bf3fac4fc012e6fc Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_158BCF81-38FA-4E0E-83E0-0E0311ED47EB" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461066112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584fe1a9600dc1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail=_158BCF81-38FA-4E0E-83E0-0E0311ED47EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 20 Jun 2012, at 09:59, mal hamilton wrote: > When you call an ex class B on cw he does not reply because he never = learned morse code.=20 Mal, Thats not quite true. I know 'B Class" who send very good CW. They might be in the minority though. I also have heard some G3's with the same problem. One famously through = his key out of the shack window when he got his ticket!!! 73, Clive g8poc= --Apple-Mail=_158BCF81-38FA-4E0E-83E0-0E0311ED47EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On 20 Jun 2012, at 09:59, mal hamilton wrote:

 When you call an ex class B on cw he does not reply because he never learned morse code. 

Mal, Thats not quite true. I know 'B Class" who send very good CW.
They might be in the minority though.
I also have heard some G3's with the same problem. One famously through his key out of the shack window when he got his ticket!!!
73,
Clive g8poc
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Content preview: Thanks Pete, No reports yet so will try again tonight/tomorrow morning. 73 Joe VO1NA [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:516908704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fd108396ea3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thanks Pete, No reports yet so will try again tonight/tomorrow morning. 73 Joe VO1NA On Thu, 7 Jun 2012, M0FMT wrote: > Yes Joe some of us chickens are still in the hen house.......... :o) =A0 My set up is not good enough for TA but good luck with the transmission.=A0 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ________________________________ From: "jcraig@mun.ca" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 1:15 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and a 10 second carrier.=A0 Reports most welcomed. 73 Joe VO1NA This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1B01F38000093; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skxor-0006hL-Ui for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:34:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skxor-0006hC-As for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:34:37 +0100 Received: from nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.59]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skxop-0005xt-D0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:34:36 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 13:34:34 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.225] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 13:34:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 13:34:34 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=btopenworld.com Result=Signature OK X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 326749.2766.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 22519 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2012 13:34:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=tlbswMpKAOY3nL+3SRy9vhZMw7TrGMxxTCgvgsBd4zJUMhjAUqf0N/w9btGk6SyhXJCc7U8NS2z3RMgTC+xj2MeM7ekp5wjM9QJDKYvUJWOI2jRukJNagTyJ+CHekPcyQJMh3rB67vXqJ5Magyy7OQ3lZZRTXTJPqnfu6PojVmc= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1341063274; bh=MACL9cBsSSihN/eqoKUqYLuI/MTlF1mAnUHx3zXLv54=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=1kxLwH3GE94hIZMJODy0pfptzAlIIuDF1/ZOwC9vF+1LyUhF/9K/NjhLM1Ux1MsaCwOnm8napHGePopUFAGHhO8POnoiN4HId0/eLLxL3OobYyMDQOgGP4RJloj3FLpPvVeHreVuUAfx8Z2YyMP4FDEyToSZg16jVpXWR4OFj80= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: OaHkG1gVM1mqZqiSHTRrZL8b.mChA_16JyulveOKvYzyNW7 l6GG1FfLUpvxJ5DpWUIKl0t5HBh482Yd16Ng.TqTy256D3vcPRw0Yj14Xs5q DFuscRC.TkHRaIEzhjwyqC.X1YK39W4g2WaF2iRMrfAVGnogpEmQtbaVMmLt yEMzYfFwnpQX_6mYx4G4m7sgyafJJ6i15Hf4VNdu.tmhta7Dw4dOTW316uVQ eaiKntfTzdBgi35NvaavKAIbQu9lU97Z68sVD8.oqgJ5vOPSIGaW.CoiCJRT GSjTayJTBV.Hbwkw93zxEd6Ef3TznzB49G.NDsLC4lG7l9hkZ6ej1eYZaijU 5ZPvxSoHyLKQkf.WBEvSoVNONC0oB6zcNPlGV3ulDGQp0fA19_p0wQmROIDy TxNwm6NEtwoFIudQzzp1_bCLt0Y58ru4YkuWKi.4uMYIphHr4TYjqpbgkUwl QrmeKBLv9R9JP351SCrGHxT.FekK406hIzZ.lhsjlON9fmTpiMSoK3UcP.I_ Usp8PPUsY X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.185.202.35 with login) by smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 06:34:34 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <9D7027FC8EB24E65A26395BA5439B7A1@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <0F87F4C0AE524B1E9EA631C81D579573@gnat> <4FEE3A73.1090602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FEEF036.4020702@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEEF036.4020702@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:34:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Stefan, LF Group, >So, is a microphone effect possible? I suppose it is possible, but I don't think there are many intense accoustic sources of 473kHz, and in any case the filter assembly would have to be designed to minimise unwanted acoustic coupling between input and output, so would probably also give good protection from external sources. The ferrite transformer core in your PA is perhaps the strongest source, but I guess you won't use the PA and filter at the same time ;-) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454566848:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m271.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074fef00a94b7f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Stefan, LF Group, >So, is a microphone effect possible? I suppose it is possible, but I don't think there are many intense accoustic sources of 473kHz, and in any case the filter assembly would have to be designed to minimise unwanted acoustic coupling between input and output, so would probably also give good protection from external sources. The ferrite transformer core in your PA is perhaps the strongest source, but I guess you won't use the PA and filter at the same time ;-) >Good idea about the matching! So it is about like the input filter of >JA8SCD's LF converter: >http://icas.to/idc-136-kit/idc-136-kit-manual-eng.pdf (page 6 of 6). That's one possibility - the "dual" of that circuit has a capacitor in series with the low-Z source and a shunt capacitor across the winding - see the handbooks. >According to the data sheet, the insertion loss (Durchlassdmpfung) is < 2 >dB. So if one uses a well matched 50 Ohm transmit antenna and a RX with 50 >Ohm input, i think no additional gain is needed. If the receiver sensitivity is reasonably good (it might not be though...), you could probably allow 10 or 20dB attenuation. You could reduce the effect of impedance variations with an attenuator pad, etc. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6615738000097; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbDsL-0002Pv-Fb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:41:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbDsK-0002Pm-Po for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:41:56 +0100 Received: from nm25-vm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.109.208]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbDsI-0002Xi-Jn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:41:55 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.56] by nm25.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 16:41:53 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 16:41:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 16:41:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 478009.35437.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92369 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2012 16:41:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=NjsCeNay98vCHRBZvifj5/4deb3fPjb+rSr13mc4sjmx5TcnOIXrHsVxOypJVOfY9zyVo+FGOFLwFMyXfhSalRIzacqKoulOnQSNtKbcWkIfzabLOmqEiwMGes/JJMTfp/eo+z5GRHS0E2A+4KOOb6ivCx/kNoTW2wQkcZdB5Lo= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1338741712; bh=V7rC1PFr8VIU0R4uZhnjbc2aD8uQs0rGc3E2MCaow0A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PxDVcosOaiPn20CepWDN7RFXEsnwsNTGj8ug/Q+s4+LQk0DVYv4ovr/nmtYY9F+mcCrfrDdsqoINe/XCm9+Hd2VkJDee75WILlkj29YWEPgBGbTraSVQ81CX+QEuQOT9wPD6kx+NLfy5ZlemdSGsSkPj5XkHgPN+tz6ZNNumPSA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: p295mAkVM1lSx_Gqd4FQo3fwwtPAiLCUYhoG.MV4TindAje oan0hElhLa.MOmRifB9BQGqte3so70Auf_8uVLiJPYRe0SpYuKAcfU_faGcR ZJmrqycIi2IjSTDhLzc4Vtv3KKTVg..YVqjGQWp_56iE1r6WitWMdo6ydW_3 HjlETPJJvuL6eWgHAIlVS8MEuHsWvZU9j5C7L0JIbYhQoaZPKxTlWudCcXOT H6ky3R.Z011TJO8E6JDT.rWBbPZKrawO5W4F8.LsGX0oeE1aGpcYDgEYEtuq zLIrmrCQ3rdbXuNgIH42nwLZSYg1YPFr8o.Hdx8s5Gxaq7LzkXaY6v7bn8.4 R7dANc3vZQTYNZWx9Il4rCkNO14WfO5p0juOU5BYCEgC.pywdt6Uwyh68tQ3 RRv8FrotKHw2KbfsnfDlNhSKMz6HltnkvmAb71MtcpBJo8Qyj8lHDKtXS.Xi bzInebT7nN5r2GwDkRwH0r.gsRvQnusO3nn4n9_4qtnNtDdRu X-Yahoo-SMTP: TSPLEfqswBCkXAu6R8U.gZB4K6usTmjOLOcEEoLxraDeRaJTpd5b1BNNnSoo Received: from DennisPC (dennis.easterling@86.177.125.216 with login) by smtp820.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 09:41:51 -0700 PDT Message-ID: From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1338656005.45326.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338656005.45326.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:41:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete Ha Ha! poetic justice as you say. I'm sorry, ha ha, that you had some unknown happening with your PC. have you found out why the PC crashed the other day. I also use opto isolators between rig and PC com port as graham suggested, but then it was to prevent earthing loops which can sometimes be a problem. Chris says he uses capacitor isolation but I am not sure how he manages that as PTT requires a constant connection to earth while sending, and a capacitor connection would only have been transient. Perhaps he uses some sort on/off gating, but we were on CW so did not have much time to go into it. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.208 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d4b11820086e28e9e085cef3e7768d06 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CD41A7.C59B8520" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:511987648:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m020.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4094fcb9408528b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CD41A7.C59B8520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete Ha Ha! poetic justice as you say. I'm sorry, ha ha, that you had some = unknown happening with your PC. have you found out why the PC crashed = the other day. I also use opto isolators between rig and PC com port = as graham suggested, but then it was to prevent earthing loops which can = sometimes be a problem. Chris says he uses capacitor isolation but I = am not sure how he manages that as PTT requires a constant connection to = earth while sending, and a capacitor connection would only have been = transient. Perhaps he uses some sort on/off gating, but we were on CW = so did not have much time to go into it. I intend to have another go with 'Opera' shortly, but have to fit it = between my other jobs. Today, after an hour viewing the the Thames pagent, and another on = 500kHz, I managed to get back to organising the cupboard shack. With = terminations fitted I am nearly ready to start testing the remote setup, = perhaps tomorrow. Will listen out for you on VHF tomorrow. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 4:53 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Yes Dennis=20 A lot on nice amateurs shifted frequency to give me a report which was = nice. Well the application would not pick up a com port, the window was just = blank, and try as I might the damn thing wouldn't connect. I played = around with the port USB numbers in application manager but nothing = worked....... left it over night and all is well in the morning ..... = you tell me?=20 Oh and while we are on. Is this what you refered to during our = QSO........ "Maybe get Dennis on as well....... I have reservations = about encouraging Dennis with computers after the VAC debacle! " The dictionary definition is ... A sudden, disastrous collapse, = downfall, or defeat; a rout. A total, often ludicrous failure. Which of the above definitions don't you agree with? .......... hee = hee sorry Dennis .... If I mention any one in a mail I usually CC them = it's only descent. But I thought you would grab hold of that ..... :-)=20 Anyway you will smile when you hear that I have just dropped a full = cup of tea on the carpet while answering this ...... Poetic Justice? Opera is a form of CW and as such deserves a look at like FSK but = probably narrower that 20c/s at the keying rate used. I have some = comparisons and a method of calculating the band width of CW somewhere I = reckons it's very narrow. =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: DENNIS EASTERLING To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 17:24 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =EF=BB=BF=20 Hi Pete Been busy and did not read your emails until it was too late, but = judging by reports it looks good, though pity about PC crash. It seems = that you sorted out the opera keying, I wonder what was wrong before? 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:21 AM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CD41A7.C59B8520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Pete
 
Ha Ha! poetic justice as you = say.   =20 I'm sorry, ha ha, that you had some unknown happening with your = PC.  =20 have you found out why the PC crashed the other day.   I also = use opto=20 isolators between rig and PC com port as graham suggested, but then = it was to prevent earthing loops which can sometimes be a=20 problem.   Chris says he uses capacitor isolation but I am not = sure=20 how he manages that as PTT requires a constant connection to earth while = sending, and a capacitor connection would only have been = transient.  =20 Perhaps he uses some sort on/off gating, but we were on CW so did not = have much=20 time to go into it.
 
I intend to have another go with = 'Opera' shortly,=20 but have to fit it between my other jobs.
 
Today, after an hour viewing the the = Thames pagent,=20 and another on 500kHz, I managed to get back to organising the cupboard=20 shack.   With terminations fitted I am nearly ready to start = testing=20 the remote setup, perhaps tomorrow.
 
Will listen out for you on VHF=20 tomorrow.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 = 4:53=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on = 501.59kc/s=20 USB RX dial

Yes Dennis
 
A lot on nice amateurs shifted frequency to give me a = report which=20 was nice.
 
Well the application would not pick up a com port, the = window was=20 just blank, and try as I might the damn thing wouldn't connect. I = played=20 around with the port USB numbers in application manager but nothing=20 worked....... left it over night and all is well in the = morning =20 ..... you tell me? 
 
Oh and while we are on. Is this what you refered to = during our=20 QSO........ "Maybe get Dennis on as well....... I have reservations = about=20 encouraging Dennis with computers after the VAC debacle! = "
 
The dictionary definition is ... A sudden, disastrous = collapse,=20 downfall, or defeat; a rout. A total, often ludicrous=20 failure.
 
Which of the above definitions don't you agree with? = .......... hee=20 hee sorry Dennis .... If I mention any one in a mail I usually CC them = it's=20 only descent.  But I thought you would grab hold of that .....=20 :-) 
 
Anyway you will smile when you hear that I have just = dropped a full=20 cup of tea on the carpet while answering this ...... Poetic=20 Justice?
 
Opera is a form of CW and as such deserves a look at like = FSK but=20 probably narrower that 20c/s at the keying rate used. I have some = comparisons=20 and a method of calculating the band width of CW somewhere I reckons = it's very=20 narrow.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 <dennis.easterling@btinternet.com>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 17:24
Subject: LF: = Re: beacon=20 on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

=EF=BB=BF=20
Hi Pete
 
Been busy and did not read your = emails until it=20 was too late, but judging by reports it looks good, though pity about = PC=20 crash.   It seems that you sorted out the opera keying, I = wonder=20 what was wrong before?
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT =
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:21 AM Subject:=20 LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB = RX dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20 =


------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CD41A7.C59B8520-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2503838000096; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjJ2T-0002zl-0t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:49:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjJ2S-0002zc-Kn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:49:48 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjJ2Q-0000Sf-Nz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:49:47 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5PNnkEs032396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:49:46 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5PNnjsS014603 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:49:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE8F8AB.6000505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:47:55 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE8F6FE.4030409@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE8F6FE.4030409@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5PNnkEs032396 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: And BTW, the TF3HZ grabber seems to be back from its summer break. Excellent reception this night again at http://simnet.is/halldorgudmunds/TF3HZ_LFgrabber/ Thanks Halldór. 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 59677119386dcf9f1872cb454dc1331d Subject: LF: TF3HZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454349088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fe8f94f7cae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none And BTW, the TF3HZ grabber seems to be back from its summer break.=20 Excellent reception this night again at=20 http://simnet.is/halldorgudmunds/TF3HZ_LFgrabber/ Thanks Halld=F3r. 73, Stefan Am 26.06.2012 01:40, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > LF! > > Once again, braving the summer hole, i'm transmitting over night on=20 > 136.172 kHz in DFCW-90. Still hoping to leave some traces in that mode=20 > in YV. The days become longer here again now! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 15E40380000A5; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Saqx6-0007nm-9p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:13:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Saqx5-0007nd-GP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:13:19 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Saqx3-00069m-BR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:13:18 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q52GDGJ9019972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:13:16 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q52GDFkx014844 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:13:15 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA3B44.2020703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:11:48 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete, Maybe its worth to spend a common mode choke or an optocoupler between PA and PC? You may try just to key the TX with the PC via an optocoupler. Should be no problem with Opera, as Graham states... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3d5b8cd6516ff44ac46de53952029be0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060908010202080303050101" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481177984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fca3bec2624 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060908010202080303050101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q52GDGJ9019972 Hi Pete, Maybe its worth to spend a common mode choke or an optocoupler between=20 PA and PC? You may try just to key the TX with the PC via an=20 optocoupler. Should be no problem with Opera, as Graham states... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 02.06.2012 14:33, schrieb M0FMT: > Thanks Paul > Graham is right about QRG. > My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer=20 > (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking. > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > *From:* Graham > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12 > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial > > could be 503.275 ? +/- a bit ! > G. > > *From:* Clemens Paul > *Sent:* Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Cc:* rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 > > *Subject:* LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial > > >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting > What is the actual tx qrg then? > Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* M0FMT > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM > *Subject:* LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial > > Hi All > > Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. > Temporary QRG. > > 73 Pete FMT > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > E-Mail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: > 01.06.2012 > > > --------------060908010202080303050101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete,

Maybe its worth to spend a common mode choke or an optocoupler between PA and PC? You may try just to key the TX with the PC via an optocoupler. Should be no problem with Opera, as Graham states...

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 02.06.2012 14:33, schrieb M0FMT:
Thanks Paul
 
Graham is right about QRG.
 
My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

could be   503.275  ?   +/-   a bit  !
 
G.

Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 
E-Mail ist virenfrei.
Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de
Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012


--------------060908010202080303050101-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4E0FB38000094; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShUGL-0005d7-Eq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:24:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShUGK-0005cy-Pz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:24:36 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShUGH-0007fB-GF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:24:35 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.21.82]) by mwinf5d07 with ME id QnQU1j0081mFXqS03nQVzy; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:24:31 +0200 Message-ID: <628204E33FFD4C5E9822611C22F3F52D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <002501cd4f3a$bb772ea0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <002501cd4f3a$bb772ea0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:24:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120620-1, 20/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ive got a 1970's 5 Guilder note if that's any good ? You need to look out for the chip number that's being used , its used in various brands , check the posted lists for the latest info , Pete may have the info you need ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 852e9a9ee930056348c0102e6df31911 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0172_01CD4F44.385FB820" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459403744:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fe25be50cf8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0172_01CD4F44.385FB820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ive got a 1970's 5 Guilder note if that's any good ? =20 You need to look out for the chip number that's being used , = its used in various brands , check the posted lists for the = latest info , Pete may have the info you need ? G. From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:16 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Not long. Heard the Lira was making a comeback in Italy. Your =C2=A35 = stick costs 3,784,227 Lira also in some parts of Ireland they are using = the Punt again in some shops.=20 I have found on holidays in EU they like the US$ and the British =C2=A3 = and give a good rate of exchange.=20 I might try one of the TV digi sticks, which is the best brand de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app and = ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 = (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from = UK source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter = 60meg O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator = 5v into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no = sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the = USB supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 = http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR = software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the = programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting = software for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to = get started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link to = sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time = to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0172_01CD4F44.385FB820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ive  got  a  1970's  5 Guilder note  if=20 that's  any  good ? 
 
You  need to  look  out  for the  = chip =20 number  that's  being  used  , its  used in=20 various  brands  , check the  posted  lists  = for =20 the  latest  info  , Pete  may  have the =20 info  you  need  ?
 
G.

Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:16 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Not long. Heard the Lira was making a comeback = in Italy.=20 Your =C2=A35 stick costs 3,784,227 Lira also in some parts of Ireland = they are using=20 the Punt again in some shops.
I have found on holidays in EU they like the US$ = and the=20 British =C2=A3 and give a good rate of exchange.
I might try one of the TV digi sticks, which is = the best=20 brand
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 = 6:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

Hi=20 all
Save=20 those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they will = be around. Try=20 HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  BorIP=20 app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) = DVB-T USB=20 stick. =
These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to = =C2=A310 from UK source=20 and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T = osc the=20 cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 = or=20 similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX = with DC to=20 UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.=20
Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital = TV=20 stations with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s=20 not enough all your local FM BC as well.  Not a lot of people know=20 that!
URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 =
https://= www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6dd= o/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You=20 won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. = :0)
Yy=20 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, = 20 June=20 2012, 18:40
Subject: Re: LF:=20 SDR programs

Hi Piotr,

Thanks for the = overview of=20 programs. That's what i searched for.
But maybe i have expressed = wrongly=20 what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not = only for=20 IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ = and=20 mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus = :-) )=20 answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i=20 think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi Stefan, = LF
>=20
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The primary = supporting=20 software for all their sdr  hardware is Spectravue.
> you = can=20 download this program from the rfspace site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult=20 to get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it = you will=20 like it:)
>
> on a "support" page of = www.rfspace.com  you=20 will also find a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
>
>  = they have a=20 very powerful radio console which looks like a regular transceiver = front=20 side
>  It has many many different options - of course, it = does=20 take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather = easy..
>=20
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and=20 easy to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr = software=20 supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of = sdr=20 programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                  =  =20                     =  =20                     =  =20         yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: = Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0172_01CD4F44.385FB820-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A919C3800008C; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgLkG-0007QX-9L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:06:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgLkF-0007QO-1q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:06:47 +0100 Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.192]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgLkC-0008H8-Q7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:06:45 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2012 20:06:43 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2012 20:06:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2012 20:06:43 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=btopenworld.com Result=Signature OK X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 751249.74345.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16449 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2012 20:06:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=eUZPaVoRsGJkx5kXsGAXctZdaTqbgm6m6YMKJLiA5U4VhW6hZB14EA3E0/UZYQnfPRaaz6vGcSV9Q2G3VcmiuwALE1woOv6ROIxt0mWEpm12xaRj2RyyDh4bcBIYs+jYUdIA+D6NjdP86Zzakqk42nAgD4v8WkMB1CYlf+vvEyQ= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1339963603; bh=5MFRLLj3SJ2t3HGEwVDwQTquQDByeVYOxkvE7FhSERo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=zUpQe1w5TVM8QxPRzzryh2Egi0xb6zR3Gu3LZMML55XS29QFm2ngsZwOjc60bb4TaxyfyIrmP/z90chD6B5ZiCPggpVOUa4OF+BIwCFLjFtQjpoQKT7vcSVLpEPaJ5qaok4IgIWmcuP/+yef3ZGT+qOzg0TE6iFhOF6G3mALY3w= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: I1pxCtIVM1kwd3e9r.AMBsj0ra4.gBftccMoFlnRdOedhEg olZYWdO2Jj0XhOB6VMzNMhSaKDA_rEL4K9sFD903kA6moWVtCsDwvdMTu24h iUVSGjubzezXUjR_zyi5sLr4UwunTccXp1yqGhdsWoE8Y_tVKWQWkAzl3xqT YJ2bU1_c1ZoNWMSQFpINSH1yCwO4dbMf2MqhfKnkwVEJnBT5P8.jnOcBisWF RyHILExiQBDoAxHSm9nxZYypNNf4uq93mNvJTXSWPUIlkOOMwTLvVbsDrpXu 4Xy9uiB6SRIExVoQtUNHpso9bry4iZuR_zz7smQSyqvXjPydz8ROjj8hRt19 23tKKCBEFQTaqEyxlQesGq4p4tlyQG_Zao1rIgKWsaDGQ3L5MynbKKNKh_LT CqHrXLGKE X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.185.202.35 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2012 20:06:43 +0000 UTC Message-ID: <15B9C0CD09D4429B83AB1E02595502AD@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:06:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Stefan, LF Group, > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly > lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.192 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444593536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m024.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fde393f2a6b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Stefan, LF Group, > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly > lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. As well as the natural band noise being lower at MF (I estimate the noise FS is about 10dB lower), there is also not the constant presence of man-made noise, such as Loran and DCF39 sidebands. So the spectrum around 500kHz does sound much quieter, especially during daytime. > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? As others have said, broadly similar to LF - sky wave is very weak until darkness has arrived, so ground wave dominates daytime communication. Ground wave signal levels seem to depend greatly on the type of ground at distances more than 100km or so. For example I can easily hear G3KEV during the daytime here, and the path from Hatfield to Scarborough is over flat, high-conductivity ground down the east of England. But G4WGT and G0NBD, and stations in Wales, are extremely weak in daylight at similar distances, although they are quite strong after dark The ground path to these stations is over hilly, lower conductivity ground. Sky wave signals over fairly long distances show very deep fading over periods of a few minutes - signal levels are usually constantly changing, and I have often seen variation of over 30dB in one minute on beacon signals. This can make QSOs difficult, with a signal that was R5 suddenly disappearing completely and not even visible on the spectrogram. Over very long distances, trans-atlantic for example, the fading seems less severe although signals are usually quite weak and propagation is very variable. For contacts around Europe, I would say 136k actually gives more reliable signal levels, but for many stations 500k is easier because higher ERP can be achieved with a small antenna, and noise levels are often lower. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EC89E380000F1; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Setq6-0003gq-M7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:06:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Setq6-0003gh-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:06:50 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Setpx-0005ev-4R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:06:49 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Jun 2012 20:06:39 -0000 Received: from p5B394830.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.72.48] by mail.gmx.net (mp072) with SMTP; 13 Jun 2012 22:06:39 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/KmEtHOtjKfNWTONwIcCQlEkmjCt3kdhhrsHqTAV cB84N048SiRDyV Message-ID: <002701cd49a0$0b38cfc0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:06:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Walter, I can copy your cq call on 472.99kHz,but you are exactly on the qrg of the ndb beacon 'BIA',Poland. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Staubach To: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:29 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 41a44ec7f64a884bcdc566aa8432178a Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD49B0.CCAACDB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:421087008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fd8f327512e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD49B0.CCAACDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Walter, I can copy your cq call on 472.99kHz,but you are exactly on the qrg of the ndb beacon 'BIA',Poland. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Staubach To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:29 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 utc I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not yet ok. 73 Walter DJ2LF/DI2AG From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 khz MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on this band. or If you want a contact let me know I am active most days de Mal/g3kev E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5065 - Ausgabedatum: 12.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD49B0.CCAACDB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Walter,
 
I can copy your cq call on = 472.99kHz,but=20 you are exactly on the qrg of the ndb beacon
'BIA',Poland.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Walter Staubach
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 = 5:29=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz

Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 = utc
I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not = yet=20 ok.
73  Walter = DJ2LF/DI2AG
 
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 4:25=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 khz

MF operators
I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for = German and=20 others active on this band.
or
If you want a contact let me = know
I am active most days
de Mal/g3kev
 
 

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version: 2012.0.2180=20 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5065 - Ausgabedatum: 12.06.2012=20

------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD49B0.CCAACDB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 27D91380000AF; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbtZf-00057v-JK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:13:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbtZe-00057m-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:13:26 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbtZc-0002K8-Jq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:13:25 +0100 Received: by obfk16 with SMTP id k16so21052409obf.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:13:20 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UXiKt6Hd51h5soLFgaKKM9GIgiJwHZA8SVGnoix4kiA=; b=LuYe8MorOFZJ5ko24wN2jFyvVLBEmfYvWrYh5oPMeLFUMPAkorb1wW7irmbdUWbBm0 lr3x9AFwzroIukiXPneBB9t5S27saE5pZgpK/orPb4Y0Mx2hlRZhzloSN5m5jo2Yo8mb m6YL/9TiD9vMZmTkhdVX+TAR9CxQQA+RyOWIqHC8t2ZKpiAXC7eeq+09BXfFCyjbctna HqNkpgjBTZpqhKHxns+DVFf9MYydg++avIOORJmq3oVi9BdVL9pzbkXpW+8zzLTbyfAn 5GMHbdr0MAX0dslnwkOSzuyEGLmrjRroC7atCWRCYP54TlnYPIXXsn2BIa73u6U7qS2U S+tw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.113.97 with SMTP id ix1mr14636680obb.79.1338902000775; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 06:13:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <002d01cd42fd$900c80b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <016101cd427d$7f76f4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002d01cd42fd$900c80b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:13:20 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, As ei2mal@yahoo.com is a yahoo e-mail address it will have associated with it an Yahoo ID. If you can sign into Yahoo! Groups as ei2mal@yahoo.com I think that you will then have to join the RSGB_LF_Group with that e-mail address. This will be a different membership than the one under your talktalk e-mail address. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d2a449809c9c1ff1983612d049372878 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447f2a625335e04c1b96a6b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:516437120:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d243.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4fce062511a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --f46d0447f2a625335e04c1b96a6b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, As ei2mal@yahoo.com is a yahoo e-mail address it will have associated with it an Yahoo ID. If you can sign into Yahoo! Groups as ei2mal@yahoo.com I think that you will then have to join the RSGB_LF_Group with that e-mail address. This will be a different membership than the one under your talktalk e-mail address. Once joined, using the web interface, you can then add your talktalk e-mail address and choose to use that for the forwarding of the e-mails from the list. 73 John, G3WKL On 5 June 2012 10:28, mal hamilton wrote: > ** > John > My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com > This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get anythin= g > from the list on the left of page. > de mal/g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John Gould > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:10 AM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep > > Mal, > > Thanks, interesting point. I can see that you are a member, but on my > admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. Without this you > don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, etc. > > I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a Yahoo ID, > but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the formalities. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > > On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton wrote: > >> ** >> John >> With my talktalk email account, I cannot access any of the options that >> you specify. a Gmail account might be different >> g3kev >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* John Gould >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM >> *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep >> >> Stefan, >> >> I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account= . >> I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked = OK, >> so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-m= ail >> account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderato= rs, >> vote and then un-subscribe. >> >> I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on th= e >> other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. >> >> 73 John, G3WKL >> >> On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer < >> Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote: >> >>> Hi Clive, LF, >>> >>> For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo >>> account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the >>> pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that >>> there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate = in >>> this process. >>> >>> My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise= . >>> As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one h= as >>> to win and the other will be shut down after some time. >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >>> Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: >>> >>>> If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting >>>> period ends. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > --f46d0447f2a625335e04c1b96a6b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

As ei2mal@yahoo= .com is a yahoo e-mail address it will have associated with it an Yahoo= ID. =A0If you can sign into Yahoo! Groups as ei2mal@yahoo.com I think that you will then have to join the RSG= B_LF_Group with that e-mail address. This will be a different membership th= an the one under your talktalk e-mail address. =A0

Once joined, using the web interface, you can then add = your talktalk e-mail address and choose to use that for the forwarding of t= he e-mails from the list.

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 June 2012 10:28, mal hamilton <g3kevma= l@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com
This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I= =20 still=A0 cannot get anything from the list on the left of page.
de mal/g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesd= ay, June 05, 2012 9:10=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep

Mal, =A0

Thanks, interesting point. =A0I can see that you are a member, but o= n=20 my admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. =A0Without thi= s=20 you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files,= etc.=20 =A0

I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a = Yahoo ID,=20 but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the formalities.= =20 =A0

73 John, G3WKL


On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton <g3k= evmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
With my talktalk email account, =A0I cannot a= ccess=20 any of the options that you specify. a Gmail account might be=20 different
g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gould
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:0= 3=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black=20 Sheep

Stefan,=20

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo= =20 account. =A0I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail accoun= t and=20 that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your=20 Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised b= y one=20 of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =A0

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up = a poll on=20 the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted.= =20 =A0

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=20 wrote:
Hi=20 Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but= =20 without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This=20 situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those w= ho=20 are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside th= e=20 poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote is = pro=20 blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long a= s the=20 two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win a= nd=20 the other will be shut down after some time.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
If=20 you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voti= ng=20 period ends.
=A0=20




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Content preview: Ringing , that should be ..... miss 2 throws of the dice : ( From: Graham Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:23 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 91e1efbff209cbddb14bc9e018c2cfe8 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5646.2A9CF000" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:516029472:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914fee1d97668a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5646.2A9CF000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ringing , that should be ..... miss 2 throws of the dice : ( From: Graham=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:23 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Yes an exciting game of 'Techno-Guess' HiHi What is the stated pass band ripple ?=20 Is that plot 3 dB / 50% or 6 dB ?=20 Should there be a standing mA feed ? which may dampen the = device a bit , stop it wringing ? From: Mike=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:03 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Stefan=20 Have you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not = sure if it is the same on both ends? I would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both ends. Mike G3JVL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Sch=E4fer Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try...=20 -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical = filters=20 Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200=20 Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20 kHz. It is available at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=20 (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20 frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20 impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20 sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20 high. See the image:=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.pn= g So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green = wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20 green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red = wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web=20 http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20 shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20 output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20 stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2433.1.1/5098 - Release Date: = 06/29/12 07:34:00 ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5646.2A9CF000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ringing  , that  should  be  ..... miss  = 2 =20 throws  of the  dice   : (

From: Graham
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical=20 filters

Yes  an exciting  game  of  = 'Techno-Guess'  =20  HiHi
 
What  is the  stated  pass  band  = ripple  ?=20
 
Is that  plot   3 dB / 50% or   6 dB ? =
 
Should  there  be a  standing  mA  = feed  ?=20 which  may  dampen the  device  a  bit  ,=20 stop  it  wringing ?

From: Mike
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:03 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical=20 filters

Stefan=20
Have=20 you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not sure if = it is=20 the same on both ends?
I=20 would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both = ends.
Mike=20 G3JVL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan=20 Sch=E4fer
Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Subject:=20 LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters

4th = try...=20

-------- Original-Nachricht --------=20
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-heide= lberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

No virus found in this incoming = message.
Checked=20 by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: = 2433.1.1/5098 -=20 Release Date: 06/29/12 = 07:34:00

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I just sent this from my talktalk a/c, lets see what happens: ==== I set up my talktalk a/c, added it to my yahoo email set, verified it, changed rsgb_lf_group to use it, and am now [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.83.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 7f2e5481aa97b3cbff3d653a1b2ddfbd Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479273792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m002.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44fcded771f5c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I just sent this from my talktalk a/c, lets see what happens: ==== I set up my talktalk a/c, added it to my yahoo email set, verified it, changed rsgb_lf_group to use it, and am now sending a msg using it, let's see what happens? Stewart with a t/G3YSX ==== I have not yet seen it so sending again from this a/c to check that talktalk a/c is receiving correctly. Sorry for the bandwidth. Stewart/G3YSX On 05/06/2012 11:47, mal hamilton wrote: > Steward > I have already done that and still no good. I do not want to change my > normal talktalk email address and I am afraid this could happen and cause > even more confusion > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stewart Bryant" > To: > Cc: "mal hamilton" > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep > > >> On 05/06/2012 10:28, mal hamilton wrote: >>> John >>> My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com >>> This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get >>> anything from the list on the left of page. >>> de mal/g3kev >> >> >> Mal >> >> Login to yahoo and go to here >> >> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join >> >> >> Look for (Add new email address) and click - you may need to log in again. >> >> Add your talktalk email address >> >> Go back to >> >> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join >> >> the talktalk address should now be listed >> >> Select the radio button next to it >> >> Select the other options you want in steps 2 and 3 below >> >> Select save changes >> >> Now the yahoo group email will go to your talktalk a/c. >> >> 73 >> >> Stewart/G3YSX >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 148E1380000A0; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh7Bv-000777-Pu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:46:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh7Bv-00076y-9N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:46:31 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh7Bt-0006yV-E8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:46:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5JMkSKo005879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:46:29 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5JMkS9X029761 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:46:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:44:43 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5JMkSKo005879 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Rik, MF, Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. Maybe you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Subject: LF: Test signal needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:462435936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fe1017d67d1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Rik, MF, Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much=20 better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. Maybe=20 you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that=20 many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops that=20 were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test=20 signals from amateurs. 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > actually 501.2kHz. > Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. > You are 579 with the usual QSB. > I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared = ERP abt 1W. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] > Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW > > Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse > Jan/pa3abk > > On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > =20 >> just in case someone wants... >> I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> >> =20 > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BE1C138000081; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 07:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbsDK-00048C-HU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:46:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbsDJ-00047q-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:46:17 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbsDG-0001uU-1O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:46:16 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q55BkCEB007119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:46:13 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q55BkDSw028849 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:46:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCDF12A.2000803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:44:42 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCCD2B9.1030408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear John, Thank you for the understanding answer. Makes me a bit more optimistic that we can find a consensus. 73, GL, Stefan Am 05.06.2012 11:03, schrieb John Gould: > > Stefan, > > Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported > before. > > Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't > vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes > both ways. > > I don't really want to administer two groups, especially this one as > it's cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to effectively take > away a facility that a few people use really effectively. I have to > admit that I can't understand what the fuss is about and moreso the > poor behaviour by a few; it's just doesn't match with the ethos of > amateur radio. > > I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used > for QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the more > technical discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the > additional facilities. Short-term information of this sort isn't > wanted by everyone and doesn't need to be searched after the event, so > having two lists for the different functions has some logic. > > Stefan, I'll try and do the right thing - hopefully, some clarity > will come when the emotion runs its course. > > 73 John, G3WKL > On 4 June 2012 16:22, Stefan Schäfer > > wrote: > > Hello John, > > Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the > confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got > new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still > blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. > I unsubscribed again... > > Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not > so fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part > of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may > be to complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real > chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored! > > Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not > [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3f12a6171cff302119f724e64afab799 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060403090708040601090600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:510228576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4fcdf1b34b30 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060403090708040601090600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q55BkCEB007119 Dear John, Thank you for the understanding answer. Makes me a bit more optimistic=20 that we can find a consensus. 73, GL, Stefan Am 05.06.2012 11:03, schrieb John Gould: > > Stefan, > > Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported=20 > before. > > Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't=20 > vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes=20 > both ways. > > I don't really want to administer two groups, especially this one as=20 > it's cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to effectively take=20 > away a facility that a few people use really effectively. I have to=20 > admit that I can't understand what the fuss is about and moreso the=20 > poor behaviour by a few; it's just doesn't match with the ethos of=20 > amateur radio. > > I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used=20 > for QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the more=20 > technical discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the=20 > additional facilities. Short-term information of this sort isn't=20 > wanted by everyone and doesn't need to be searched after the event, so=20 > having two lists for the different functions has some logic. > > Stefan, I'll try and do the right thing - hopefully, some clarity=20 > will come when the emotion runs its course. > > 73 John, G3WKL > On 4 June 2012 16:22, Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 > > wrote: > > Hello John, > > Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the > confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got > new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still > blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. > I unsubscribed again... > > Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not > so fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part > of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may > be to complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real > chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored! > > Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not > only me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small > group, although we are spread all over the world. If the > pro-blacksheep party (in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you > shut them down? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould: >> Stefan, >> >> I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo >> account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account >> and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the >> RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the >> membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and >> then un-subscribe. >> >> I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a >> poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how >> they voted. >> >> 73 John, G3WKL >> >> On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer >> > > wrote: >> >> Hi Clive, LF, >> >> For those who simply subscribed to the list but without >> having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This >> situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind >> those who are blind for such facts that there are further >> members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this >> process. >> >> My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group >> compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like >> competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut >> down after some time. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: >> >> If you have voted it is possible to change your vote >> before the voting period ends. >> >> >> > --------------060403090708040601090600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear John,

Thank you for the understanding answer. Makes me a bit more optimistic that we can find a consensus.
73, GL, Stefan

Am 05.06.2012 11:03, schrieb John Gould:

Stefan,

Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported before.

Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes both ways.  

I don't really want to administer two groups, especially this one as it's cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to effectively take away a facility that a few people use really effectively.  I have to admit that I can't understand what the fuss is about and moreso the poor behaviour by a few; it's just doesn't match with the ethos of amateur radio.

I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used for QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the more technical discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the additional facilities.  Short-term information of this sort isn't wanted by everyone and doesn't need to be searched after the event, so having two lists for the different functions has some logic.

Stefan,  I'll try and do the right thing - hopefully, some clarity will come when the emotion runs its course.  

73 John, G3WKL
On 4 June 2012 16:22, Stefan Schäfer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
Hello John,

Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again...

Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored!

Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group, although we are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party (in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you shut them down?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould:
Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted.  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Schäfer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
Hi Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends.
 



--------------060403090708040601090600-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9AE8438000082; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkN4O-0008Uq-8O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:20:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkN4N-0008Uh-JH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:20:11 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkN4E-0006QI-V7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:20:10 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5SMK1FM031708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:20:01 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5SMK17x015011 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:20:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4FECD820.8060105@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:18:08 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC18F4.9050608@online.fr> <1340875355.96079.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1340876781.29716.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC7DDF.8050906@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340908899.62897.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340908899.62897.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete, Am 28.06.2012 20:41, schrieb M0FMT: > But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order > either double wow! You can make the RFC1 from such a core used for T1 too, or maybe better two of them. The RFC1 value is not critical. Just if you use a small one it may become hot. Also it should be ferrite of course, not a iron powder core. These would need much more turns. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: bc223f74149f392a7d9f3881f05f1e70 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060205080400010406080702" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:402625120:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814fecd8e92b34 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060205080400010406080702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete, Am 28.06.2012 20:41, schrieb M0FMT: > But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order > either double wow! You can make the RFC1 from such a core used for T1 too, or maybe better two of them. The RFC1 value is not critical. Just if you use a small one it may become hot. Also it should be ferrite of course, not a iron powder core. These would need much more turns. > Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En? Yes of course. The wire pieces are short, so just take a bundle of 8 or 10 or so instead of the litz i'm using. You will see. > Hmm it's plaited ? Oh, plaited, i learned a new word :-) No, just twisted. > Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not > be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but > feel the width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more. We pay 0.63 EUR at "Reichelt" (well known in DL :-) ). As mentioned, there are many alternatives to the IRFZ48N. You can use what you want unless the FET: -is a N-CH MOSFET -Drain-Source voltage 55V to 100V (100V is not ideal, watch out for 55 or 60 or 75 or what you find) -On resistance below 0.1 Ohm -Input C (C iss) in the range below 3 nF, better below 2 nF. > I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK > source) may be they could publish it? > And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is > new and worth while thanks! Yes, but if i don't write this, someone will inform me that someone has done it before, nearly always :-) As if my intention would be to do something new (instead of simlply making QSOs or beeing on air :-) ) > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------060205080400010406080702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5SMK1FM031708 Hi Pete,

Am 28.06.2012 20:41, schrieb M0FMT:
But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order either double wow!
You can make the RFC1 from such a core used for T1 too, or maybe better two of them. The RFC1 value is not critical. Just if you use a small one it may become hot. Also it should be ferrite of course, not a iron powder core. These would need much more turns.

Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En?
Yes of course. The wire pieces are short, so just take a bundle of 8 or 10 or so instead of the litz i'm using. You will see.

Hmm it's plait= ed ?
Oh, plaited, i learned a new word :-) No, just twisted.
=C2=A0
Generally=C2=A0I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the width... principle)=C2=A0and the drivers TC range for slightly more.
We pay 0.63 EUR at "Reichelt" (well known in DL :-) ).

As mentioned, there are many alternatives to the IRFZ48N. You can use what you want unless the FET:
-is a N-CH MOSFET
-Drain-Source voltage 55V to 100V (100V is not ideal, watch out for 55 or 60 or 75 or what you find)
-On resistance below 0.1 Ohm
-Input C (C iss) in the range below 3 nF, better below 2 nF.

=C2=A0
I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK source) may be they could publish it?=C2=A0
=C2=A0
And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is new and worth while thanks!
Yes, but if i don't write this, someone will inform me that someone has done it before, nearly always :-) As if my intention would be to do something new (instead of simlply making QSOs or beeing on air :-) )
73 es GL<= /span> Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=C2=A0
73, Stefan/DK7FC
--------------060205080400010406080702-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D9D4C3800009E; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh8cL-0007iV-QL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:17:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh8cL-0007iM-Ae for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:17:53 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh8cJ-0007P9-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:17:52 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5K0HojS005836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:17:50 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5K0Hn7L032469; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:17:49 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE11645.80001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:16:05 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D." CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Martin, LF, Just want to inform you that i'm back on 136.172 over the night, watching your grabber http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html and hoping for some luck :-) Conds have been promising on that path some days ago. Here its raining and the air humidity must be close to 100%. The isolators have no problem with that but the losses are somewhat higher... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 4d4a9e8f68fb15c54898568240f542c5 Subject: LF: Back on 136.172 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:423140384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fe116ec35d8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Martin, LF, Just want to inform you that i'm back on 136.172 over the night, watching your grabber http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html and hoping for some luck :-) Conds have been promising on that path some days ago. Here its raining and the air humidity must be close to 100%. The isolators have no problem with that but the losses are somewhat higher... 73 and thanks for the service to start your PC all the evenings! When the loop is working, i expect that many others from EU will appear in SA this coming season. Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CA88B3800009F; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Saw9S-0001ym-5n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:46:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Saw9R-0001yT-L0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:46:25 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Saw9P-0007MI-Ln for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:46:24 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d09 with ME id HZmM1j0060Lx2rm03ZmNhZ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:46:22 +0200 Message-ID: <820667B3419A4F03AA3FFD0AEEEFD377@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:46:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ah CPU load changes from RX , where the dsp engine is running to TX , where only a sequence is being outputted 25% Rx falls to 5 % during TX or less .... If you are looking to send only , then using the PIC code generator, A simple PIC controlled keying device can be made ...Andy used this for his beacon as dose Eddie for his setup [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: Re: LF: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:424085344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fca89da5f51 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Ah CPU load changes from RX , where the dsp engine is running to TX , where only a sequence is being outputted 25% Rx falls to 5 % during TX or less .... If you are looking to send only , then using the PIC code generator, A simple PIC controlled keying device can be made ...Andy used this for his beacon as dose Eddie for his setup It is possible to set 100% Tx , but there is still a very short 'blip' change over tx/rx at the end of each cycle , this would be the preferred option , if trying for a decode over a 'short' propagation window or attempting to catch 'flash' propagation. As there is no defined start-stop in the data pattern , a decode is possible with 50% of the data , 120 seconds in OP4 and 15 Mins in OP32 , randomly distributed. G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:36 PM To: Subject: LF: Opera... > G.., LF, > > What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? > What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EBBB4380000A4; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfJoh-0000Mv-Cq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:51:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfJog-0000Mm-RG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:51:06 +0100 Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfJoe-00037M-7m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:51:05 +0100 Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NLVy1j0071ZXKqc53Pr2Rr; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:51:02 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NPqy1j00t0CFS1j3hPr0pF; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:51:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01cd4a88$8d75aec0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDA6F0F.3080104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:50:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Will be watching! Jay [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.1 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: f1498eebf16822c5ea85527a90413169 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475686560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4fda79267977 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan Will be watching! Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Jay, LF, This night i will continue with LF transmissions, same procedure. So far the conds in EU and to 4X are excellent! Maybe we can make it this night to W1... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 12.06.2012 14:10, schrieb Stefan Schfer: > Hi Jay, > > We still have no success in Jnue so if we want to get a full call detection in each month we have > to find a suitable days soon. > > Well, all right about the DST stuff. However you know i simply like transmitting so i usually do > not care about the condx. From time to time there is a surprise een in "bad" conds. Like > yesterday! 4X1RF temporary started his grabber in Haifa and to my surprise we got very good > results over that 2850km distance. About 25 dB S/N, see > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Juni2012.jpg > Sure, crossing the pond is another story. Let's do it in the coming days :-) > > BTW what about your TX? Are you ready for a transmission? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 12.06.2012 12:12, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: >> Sefan >> >> Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at 'disturbed' levels it is >> unlikely that I would have had reception of your signals. It might be a good idea to check >> http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html for the DST levels before an >> overnight T/A attempt. Generally speaking, condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or >> better for a couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th or 10th would have been better >> T/A nights. The big dip starting on the 10th is a problem. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:09 PM >> Subject: LF: Beacon to the west >> >> >>> LF, >>> >>> Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night. The TX is already on air... >>> >>> In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it may be a bit difficult to >>> become visible in TA. But who knows... >>> >>> At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for distances below 3000 km. Probably >>> because the area in darkness is small on the northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away >>> is attenuated. So the distances within the first hop range may be a bit lower than in winther >>> but maybe the noise is even lower so S/N improvement of some dB results. >>> At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done many tests and the radiated >>> signal was even 3 dB stronger than a few days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm >>> thinking different about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! >>> >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6D890380000A0; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBop-00008z-ER for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:30:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBoo-00008o-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:30:10 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbBom-0001kx-Nr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:30:09 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AggGAI90y09cF/B0/2dsb2JhbABDgkWcCgOFAJBPgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKJRQBBBoGDAoIBhMKAQICAQEBh2sDDwerbAMKiU6KMWCGEAOIDYUwiG2OZ4JggV8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="394715473" Received: from host-92-23-240-116.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.116]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 15:30:04 +0100 Message-ID: <00b901cd4195$5ce386c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:30:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John Pity you did not stick to your original instinct and stay with Blacksheep. The whole episode is a real mess. Now one has to join Yahoo to vote then resign afterwards. This already creates a bias in favour of Yahoo since so many thought there was going to be no alternative. and moved over. How about the VOTE taking place on Blacksheep instead, which is the way it should have been. Let them join/rejoin Blacksheep and resign afterwards if found necessary. The whole business was rushed and only now are we seeing really how the main LF/MF communicators and experimenters feel. The only person that has been pushing for a Yahoo takeover for some time has been G3XBM and said he was involved with other Yahoo groups as moderator. Maybe he had designs on moderating this group and eliminating those whose opinions he did not like. I am only quoting what the man himself said in various email/posting on Blacksheep. Serious LF/MF experimenters should speak out and make their point of view known, this is Democracy [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 396a95bbad9af60b2ee566edcd35b39e Subject: LF: Re: Poll announcement Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CD4195.5CAC9840" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482103808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4fcb752c1306 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CD4195.5CAC9840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Pity you did not stick to your original instinct and stay with = Blacksheep. The whole episode is a real mess. Now one has to join Yahoo = to vote then resign afterwards. This already creates a bias in favour of = Yahoo since so many thought there was going to be no alternative. and moved over. How about the VOTE taking place on Blacksheep instead, which is the way = it should have been. Let them join/rejoin Blacksheep and resign = afterwards if found necessary. The whole business was rushed and only now are we seeing really how the = main LF/MF communicators and experimenters feel. The only person that has been pushing for a Yahoo takeover for some time = has been G3XBM and said he was involved with other Yahoo groups as = moderator. Maybe he had designs on moderating this group and eliminating = those whose opinions he did not like. I am only quoting what the man himself said in various email/posting on = Blacksheep. Serious LF/MF experimenters should speak out and make their point of = view known, this is Democracy de Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: LF: Poll announcement I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is = a clear view on the way forward. I thought that there was, but there = seem to still be some with concerns. I personally don't want to have = two groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups = earlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there were lots = of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups offering. = Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Groups and it = offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing what the = preference is for the way forward. =20 For those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of = course have to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can = exercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish). The detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as = follow: Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the rsgb_lf_group group: Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, how do you want to continue? o With the Yahoo! Groups list o With the Blacksheep.org list o Both lists To vote, please visit the following web page: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=3D13140385 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!=20 73 John, G3WKL ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CD4195.5CAC9840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
Pity you did not stick to your original instinct = and stay=20 with Blacksheep. The whole episode is a real mess. Now one has to join = Yahoo to=20 vote then resign afterwards. This already creates a bias in favour of = Yahoo=20 since so many thought there was going to be no alternative.
and moved over.
How about the VOTE taking place on Blacksheep = instead,=20 which is the way it should have been. Let them join/rejoin Blacksheep = and resign=20 afterwards if found necessary.
The whole business was rushed and only now are = we seeing=20 really how the main LF/MF communicators and experimenters = feel.
The only person that has been pushing for a = Yahoo takeover=20 for some time has been G3XBM and said he was involved with other Yahoo = groups as=20 moderator. Maybe he had designs on moderating this group and eliminating = those=20 whose opinions he did not like.
 I am only quoting what the man himself = said in=20 various email/posting on Blacksheep.
Serious LF/MF experimenters should speak out and = make=20 their point of view known, this is Democracy
 
de Mal/G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 1:57 PM
Subject: LF: Poll = announcement

I've=20 put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is a = clear view=20 on the way forward.  I thought that there was, but there seem to = still be=20 some with concerns.   I personally don't want to have two groups, = which=20 is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups earlier; I thought = from what I=20 had read on the list that there were lots of people wanting to take = advantage=20 of the Yahoo! Groups offering.  Since many of us have had the = chance to=20 try out Yahoo! Groups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be = worthwhile seeing what the preference is for the way forward.=20  

For=20 those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of = course have=20 to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can exercise = your right=20 to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish).

The=20 detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as=20 follow:


Enter=20 your vote today! A new poll has been created for thersgb_lf_group=20 group:Now=20 that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list,how=20 do you want to continue?o=20 With the Yahoo! Groups listo=20 With the Blacksheep.org listo=20 Both listsTo=20 vote, please visit the following web page:http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=3D13140385= Note:=20 Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes arenot=20 collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! = Groupsweb=20 site listed above.Thanks!=20


73=20 John, G3WKL
------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CD4195.5CAC9840-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A9C0E380000A9; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SatLj-0000nt-0y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:46:55 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SatLi-0000nk-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:46:54 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.tiscali.co.uk ([212.74.100.54] helo=mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SatLh-0006p0-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:46:53 +0100 X-Trace: 769016358/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.102.87/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.102.87 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak4JANBeyk9YbWZX/2dsb2JhbABFsnYEgSSBCIIZAQUIMB4uBQUDAyElMwYeBhsJh362HItfgiyCNmADiA2SS4o5gmE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,703,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="769016358" Received: from 88-109-102-87.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO GaryPC) ([88.109.102.87]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 02 Jun 2012 19:46:51 +0100 Message-ID: <54074A2090E54AB6B689EAE2DB683675@GaryPC> From: "Gary G4WGT" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:46:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham, LF, Yes, that is correct. For my Class D Tx & CW keying I use RTS to switch the Class D to Tx mode & DTR to key the DDS VFO output. This way prevents a relay or two clicking on & off all the time. 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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:398690560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4fca5fec5ffe X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Graham, LF, Yes, that is correct. For my Class D Tx & CW keying I use RTS to switch the Class D to Tx mode & DTR to key the DDS VFO output. This way prevents a relay or two clicking on & off all the time. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 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[86.155.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s47sm31553425eef.4.2012.06.09.04.12.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jun 2012 04:12:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry GW0EZY To: References: <01cd01cd4626$4081c380$c1854a80$@com> <008601cd4628$ad66e410$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <008601cd4628$ad66e410$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:12:33 +0100 Message-ID: <01de01cd4630$c5db98d0$5192ca70$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1GKRvxYcFENpDZSKacbjYQY55ymgABIM5w Content-Language: en-gb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm8JilbooZG6vF6NtoHIi3OjcO5inDYhQkgItmkrjMKHUOZA100Yri7dGUxGhQVROTrD96oRhsBIKCyj0bVYxlpn4cJDg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal I'm sure there are many LF listeners with mini-whips etc getting a good signal from you and others Txing beacons and Opera and could easily work X-Band with a simple 40m system. At least the LF station gets on-air reports and half an LF QSO while the 40m station gets a bit of encouragement and active participation in some real LF operation. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.215.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f0da950ecedac2a84ae70831926f1b39 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Tnx X-Band QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01DF_01CD4639.27A000D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:372065216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m261.1 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64fd32fd058ab X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01DF_01CD4639.27A000D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal I'm sure there are many LF listeners with mini-whips etc getting a good signal from you and others Txing beacons and Opera and could easily work X-Band with a simple 40m system. At least the LF station gets on-air reports and half an LF QSO while the 40m station gets a bit of encouragement and active participation in some real LF operation. As well as you and Mike this morning, copying DK7FC in beacon mode and PA0WMR Opera all strong enough for a CW QSO. 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 11:15 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Tnx X-Band QSO Terry Things are looking up on LF, 2 qso's this morning on CW. GW0EZY xband 7033 and G3XDV both on LF Tnx qso, nothing wrong with your CW, I copied it all. 73 gl de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry GW0EZY To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: LF: Tnx X-Band QSO Mal Tnx for X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away some cobwebs in my CW !! 73 Terry ------=_NextPart_000_01DF_01CD4639.27A000D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mal

 

I’m sure there are = many LF listeners with mini-whips etc getting a good signal from you and = others Txing beacons and Opera and could easily work  X-Band with a = simple 40m system. At least the LF station gets on-air reports and half = an LF QSO while the 40m station gets a bit of encouragement and active = participation in some real LF operation.

 

As well as you and Mike = this morning, copying DK7FC in beacon mode and PA0WMR Opera all strong = enough for a CW QSO.

 

73 = Terry

 

From:= = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 11:15
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: Tnx X-Band = QSO

 

Terry<= span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New = Roman","serif"'>

Things are = looking up on LF, 2 qso's this morning on CW. GW0EZY xband 7033 and = G3XDV both on LF

Tnx qso, = nothing wrong with your CW, I copied it all.

73 gl de = mal/g3kev

 

----- = Original Message -----

From:<= /b> Terry GW0EZY =

Sent:<= /b> = Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:57 AM

Subject: = LF: Tnx X-Band QSO

 

Mal

 

Tnx for = X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away some cobwebs in my CW = !!

 

73 = Terry

------=_NextPart_000_01DF_01CD4639.27A000D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D6B8A380000BB; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbIj2-0006Sb-9t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:52:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbIj1-0006SS-PL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:52:39 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbIj0-0003ph-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:52:38 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.16.140]) by mwinf5d50 with ME id Hxsc1j00531K0Qa03xsc2i; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:52:37 +0200 Message-ID: <9098679B0B1747189BF69F0808813787@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 22:52:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-1, 03/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Looks like one ping ? G. 20:04 500 G3KEV de G3ZJO Op4 142 mi -12 dB in Northampton [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 0b36c952c26be93e626fe2fa1c93657f Subject: LF: 20:03 500 G3KEV de G0NBD Op4 121 mi -7 dB in Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41DB.91D87DE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:264448240:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61894fcbdcdd447d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41DB.91D87DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like one ping ? G. 20:04 500 G3KEV de G3ZJO Op4 142 mi -12 dB in Northampton 20:04 500 G3KEV de M0FMT Op4 162 mi -6 dB in HITCHIN 20:04 500 G3KEV de PA0BIE Op4 301 mi -26 dB in Vught MiniWhip +8 meter. 20:04 500 G3KEV de PA3ABK Op4 275 mi +2 dB in Dordrecht 20:04 500 G3KEV de PA7EY Op4 254 mi -8 dB in Amsterdam 20:04 500 G3KEV de PA0LCE Op4 308 mi +2 dB in LAGE MIERDE JO21NJ 20:04 500 G3KEV de PA0A Op4 286 mi +4 dB in Lucaswolde 20:04 500 G3KEV de F6CNI Op4 398 mi -18 dB in 2x earth electrodes RX = ant, 20:04 500 G3KEV de G0KTN Op4 219 mi -8 dB in Bath, UK IO81 20:04 500 G3KEV de G3XIZ Op4 155 mi +5 dB in Biggleswade 20:04 500 G3KEV de G4WGT Op4 101 mi -7 dB in IO83qo, nr Preston 20:03 500 G3KEV de G0NBD Op4 121 mi -7 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 deg = NO RF ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41DB.91D87DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks like   one  ping  ?
 
G.
 

20:04 500 G3KEV de G3ZJO Op4 142 mi -12 dB in Northampton

20:04 500 G3KEV de M0FMT Op4 162 mi -6 dB in HITCHIN

20:04 500 G3KEV de PA0BIE Op4 301 mi -26 dB in Vught MiniWhip +8 = meter.

20:04 500 G3KEV de PA3ABK Op4 275 mi +2 dB in Dordrecht

20:04 500 G3KEV de PA7EY Op4 254 mi -8 dB in Amsterdam

20:04 500 G3KEV de PA0LCE Op4 308 mi +2 dB in LAGE MIERDE JO21NJ

20:04 500 G3KEV de PA0A Op4 286 mi +4 dB in Lucaswolde

20:04 500 G3KEV de F6CNI Op4 398 mi -18 dB in 2x earth electrodes RX = ant,

20:04 500 G3KEV de G0KTN Op4 219 mi -8 dB in Bath, UK IO81

20:04 500 G3KEV de G3XIZ Op4 155 mi +5 dB in Biggleswade

20:04 500 G3KEV de G4WGT Op4 101 mi -7 dB in IO83qo, nr=20 Preston

20:03 500 G3KEV de G0NBD Op4 121 mi -7 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 = deg NO=20 RF

------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41DB.91D87DE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 96E4F380000BD; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXtB-000326-Dk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:52:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXtA-00031x-Qx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:52:40 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfXt7-0006iA-PA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:52:39 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnYFALJH208CYr7p/2dsb2JhbABFgkWiMJBdgQgPAQGCBwEBBQglHAUICCYBBAUDAxEDAQEBCiUxAgYMCggGDwQBBwkBCwSHXAMPB7A7A4lYizaFMWADiA+FNJEFhlmCYQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,417,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="38609651" Received: from host-2-98-190-233.as13285.net (HELO TraceyPC) ([2.98.190.233]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 15:52:36 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <001101cd4b04$06f9f7d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001101cd4b04$06f9f7d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:52:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello mal In fact all the NDBs located in the new band are tone modulated. 73s Tracey [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 81bfb86f88251daa8e0899e4ba7e8646 Subject: LF: Re: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_069D_01CD4B0E.DF8F2CA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:479528512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154fdb4c717d52 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_069D_01CD4B0E.DF8F2CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello mal In fact all the NDBs located in the new band are tone modulated. 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 3:34 PM Subject: LF: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Tracy es Co The only safe mode on this band is attended CW and possibly QSO MODE = Opera so that one can take evasive action immediately to avoid causing = QRM to the commercial Beacons when propagation changes take place, like = wise to avoid Beacons causing the radio amateur QRM.=20 Prolonged Unattended Beacons in any mode generated by radio amateurs = should be a non starter also QRSS at extremely slow speeds should be = avoided. These commercial Beacons take up more spectrum that you think because = they are often tone modulated (MCW) g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracey Gardner=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz. Twelve of those have been logged from the UK. The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide detailed = information on frequencies which should be avoided. It should be borne in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of = approx 400Hz and 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of = specific slots to be wary of. http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some form of = guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with NDBs? 73s Tracey G5VU __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (7)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 4=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5071 - Release Date: = 06/15/12 ------=_NextPart_000_069D_01CD4B0E.DF8F2CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello mal
 
In fact all the NDBs located in the new band are tone = modulated.
 
73s Tracey
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 = 3:34 PM
Subject: LF: Fw: = [rsgb_lf_group] Band=20 Planning for 472 Khz Band ?

Tracy es Co
The only safe mode on this band is attended = CW and=20 possibly QSO MODE Opera so that one can take evasive action = immediately to=20 avoid causing QRM to the commercial Beacons when propagation changes = take=20 place,  like wise to avoid Beacons causing the radio amateur QRM. =
Prolonged Unattended Beacons in any mode = generated by=20 radio amateurs should be a non starter also QRSS at extremely = slow speeds=20 should be avoided.
These commercial Beacons take up more spectrum = that you=20 think because they are often tone modulated (MCW)
g3kev
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tracey Gardner
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:17 PM
Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band=20 ?

  =

 
Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between = 472-479kHz.
Twelve of those have been logged from the UK.
The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide = detailed=20 information on frequencies which should be avoided.
It should be borne in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a = mix of=20 approx 400Hz and 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of = specific=20 slots to be wary of.
 
 http://www.classaxe.com/dx/n= db/reu/
 
Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some = form of=20 guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with = NDBs?
 
73s Tracey G5VU

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD45DD.2A4757E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0E66538000092; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjTdd-0004zL-MI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:08:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjTdd-0004zC-95 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:08:53 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjTdb-0003Ij-LT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:08:52 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwFAASX6U9cF/ft/2dsb2JhbABEoFIDlVWBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDBAEMBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfrkbizOCaIMcA4gWhTaXaIJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,477,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="39877486" Received: from host-92-23-247-237.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.247.237]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2012 12:08:49 +0100 Message-ID: <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:08:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Niels I can hear you on 472 at present 1107 utc I will call later around 502 Khz de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Niels Rask To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15 AM Subject: LF: 472khz [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 0317e2ac8ed27149e57223a21580246d Subject: LF: Re: 472khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD538C.0DF94820" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489410624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4fe9988104f2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD538C.0DF94820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Niels I can hear you on 472 at present 1107 utc I will call later around 502 Khz de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Niels Rask=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15 AM Subject: LF: 472khz now i got my permission to 472-479 khz . am qrv on cw de oz7foc/niels ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD538C.0DF94820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Niels
I can hear you on 472 at present 1107 = utc
I will call later around 502 Khz
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Niels Rask =
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 10:15=20 AM
Subject: LF: 472khz

now i got my permission to 472-479 = khz . am=20 qrv on cw
de=20 oz7foc/niels
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD538C.0DF94820-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 142AA3800009E; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHER-0005M9-RX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:16:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHER-0005M0-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:16:59 +0100 Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbHEP-0003Ty-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:16:58 +0100 Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hvlg1j0041swQuc57wGvrS; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HwGu1j00L0CFS1j3bwGujB; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01cd41c5$d1e486b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: , "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" References: <006a01cd4196$3f0d52b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4FCB80CC.8050702@hifidelity.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:16:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Steve It's a personal thing that has to do with searching the internet for technical information. I find that as time goes on a larger percentage of search results are links to 'everyday' posts on lists that archive everything - often a yahoo group. Very few of these posts turn out to have information of value - most are little more than a passing chit chat that happens to fit the search terminology. As we go forward with ever more posts being archived by more and more 'groups' one can imagine even more search result 'pollution'. I'd rather not add to the 'clutter'. [...] Content analysis details: (1.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.64 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427301920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fcbc67c2028 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Steve It's a personal thing that has to do with searching the internet for technical information. I find that as time goes on a larger percentage of search results are links to 'everyday' posts on lists that archive everything - often a yahoo group. Very few of these posts turn out to have information of value - most are little more than a passing chit chat that happens to fit the search terminology. As we go forward with ever more posts being archived by more and more 'groups' one can imagine even more search result 'pollution'. I'd rather not add to the 'clutter'. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Dove" To: Cc: ; "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep > Hi Jay, and Jim 'MBU, > > As two of the participants who make among the more informed and sensible contributions - and so > with value to others lying well beyond the ephemeral - I find your distaste for archiving a bit > non-plussing! > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > On 6/3/2012 2:36 PM, JRusgrove@comcast.net wrote: >> Some folks (me included) are not interested in having their >> messages archived for eternity ... or looking for a place to >> upload articles or pictures of a new gadget. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1602B38000092; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbERL-0003LN-BU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:18:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbERK-0003LE-Rw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:18:06 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbERJ-0002nr-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:18:05 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AucFALqby09Ok8gE/2dsb2JhbABEo1KQT4EIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBgwKCAYTCgECAgEBh2wDD6tsDYlOijFggnqDFgOIDYUwklmEe4JggV8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="540224412" Received: from host-78-147-200-4.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.200.4]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 18:18:04 +0100 Message-ID: <004001cd41ac$d603b540$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:18:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well done Tony. I like an impartial observer. Some nice persons on this group accusing others of being liars, still no need to ban them. They do not know FACT from FICTION Waiting for G3XBM to surface and clarify the position, he should have a say g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 2015a9c9c70c0326c96b00c8a41f50f5 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01CD41AC.D5CCC6C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486315840:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fcb9c845ba3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CD41AC.D5CCC6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done Tony. I like an impartial observer. Some nice persons on this = group accusing others of being liars, still no need to ban them. They do not know FACT from FICTION Waiting for G3XBM to surface and clarify the position, he should have a = say g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20 Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating = that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me = whose opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly = encouraging or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised = group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to = lies. Eddie ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CD41AC.D5CCC6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well done Tony. I like an impartial observer. = Some nice=20 persons on this group accusing others of being liars, still no need to = ban=20 them.
They do not know FACT from FICTION
Waiting for G3XBM to surface and clarify the = position, he=20 should have a say
g3kev
 
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CD41AC.D5CCC6C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8DEC2380000E0; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHfT-0002E9-1K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:21:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHfS-0002E0-GO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:21:58 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjHfQ-00005M-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:21:57 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5PMLrxk012825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:21:54 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5PMLrrt011982 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:21:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE8E412.5000909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:20:02 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5PMLrxk012825 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the > Dreamers band. Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due to your higher antenna C and mains availability. You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 9ca91679b330d65f05d707c2d2b164fe Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471207008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fe8e4c11abb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Mal, Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the > Dreamers band. Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due to=20 your higher antenna C and mains availability. You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. > I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with othe= r > persuits at present. > =20 Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large=20 tube. 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul=20 Nicholsons grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very helpful=20 for the first tests! 73, Stefan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > To: > Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" > > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM > Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > > > =20 >> VLF, >> >> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >> Darmstadt, http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html r= un >> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >> earthquake precursors. >> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced him t= o >> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He >> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU resource= s >> for that at the moment though. >> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49HV80ST&from=3Djn49ik00wd so it >> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even >> in summer. >> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF event. >> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June 20= 12 >> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to extend i= t. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> =20 > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DC1B938000082; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SePA7-00086Z-NX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 12:21:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SePA7-00086Q-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 12:21:27 +0100 Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com ([74.125.82.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SePA4-00079s-66 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 12:21:25 +0100 Received: by wgbfa7 with SMTP id fa7so3178328wgb.28 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 04:21:23 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qloj678639Wo36HinToNOdLxG8PMU0YLVN8VgvZNIdM=; b=o8Mwn3OYs1OjpgIVXwhtK2TpfFm4/ESOhtTbFuL7XZzPfwG/hWv/5qXjmLQY6souU3 1NWqGmD0EUjlJxrSvL3pE7Kkj6uOYkTOknJ1cewpN4i8NoeHjDot2Vc4R6/FqEYozckt k65tCzSOsLA7rgiWlvDIbXaVdp6MR6BgyybIniPyLMwSxcdl1fObXMDrxRX6bgI6YHJw jC9WeLMiYm1zjzmgVySXNqHeOvmwHXczJl3Ma7DzjLBgGnr91avzgMQ7VTgw6an8Q1ny rRdkr3gNkQKfszrEegimzDgJGu3oIQvkNgKTQ+lIVQomOcGwFTyLw3SU/Ajh4aXyn0xC qmpQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.215.17 with SMTP id d17mr8597742wep.166.1339500082613; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 04:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 04:21:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1339499711.77638.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1339438549.67345.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <85F124CBD59C48FEB97567F3B69B2AC1@lindavideo> <1339499711.77638.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:21:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Years ago, several ham friends of mine have made valve type transmitters run in Class-D or E on 75 and 40 meters, 500kHz should be no problem at all. 73 Warren K2ORS On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:15 AM, M0FMT wrote: > Hi Ken > > I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than > C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go > into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency output stage has > to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it > changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off > (which means a device that will operate well into the VHF) the higher the > efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple of > megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking > about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the > inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to generate a > high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine > waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the output > side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try > it. > > That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I use > to bring a PA into optimum performance. > > What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you are > trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there is enough > empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I > have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in > theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract from > the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, efficient TX > design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP design being IMHO a > very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the > components listing. > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > From: Ken > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 > Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc > > Hi Pete. > About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 9b622d5c6a961580a0f289e85f67bcca Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:505747360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d016.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4fd7266449ea X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Years ago, several ham friends of mine have made valve type transmitters run in Class-D or E on 75 and 40 meters, 500kHz should be no problem at all. 73 Warren K2ORS On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:15 AM, M0FMT wrote: > Hi Ken > > I believe you can operate=A0some thermionic devices in higher classes tha= n > C=A0but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won= 't go > into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency output stage ha= s > to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it > changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off > (which=A0means a device that will operate=A0well into the=A0VHF)=A0the hi= gher the > efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple of > megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking > about)=A0at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in= the > inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to generate a > high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sin= e > waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the out= put > side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try > it. > > That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide=A0= I use > to bring a PA into optimum performance. > > What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you are > trying to make a practical and=A0efficient CW TX for LF then=A0there is e= nough > empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I > have posted=A0that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in > theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract fr= om > the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, efficient=A0TX > design well within anybodies capabilities.=A0The GW3UEP design being IMHO= a > very good (Scalable) example with no=A0RadCom=A0style unobtainium in the > components listing. > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > From: Ken > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 > Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc > > Hi Pete. > About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order > differential equations, partial integration and integration by parts, the > one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a poin= t > in free space . =A0=A0Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA i= s > probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is becaus= e > they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the > shack and the cat warm. > > 73s > > Ken > > M0KHW > > From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT > > Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Class E etc > > > Hi Ken > > Ha ha Stefan, how good is=A0your Integration Ken? > > Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a > good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the > amplifier is to do with=A0 A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET d= rive > chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully= =A0on > and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate=A0on off t= iming > (mark / space). Ensuring the=A0max permitted gate voltage for the FET=A0i= s not > exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps= . > B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance=A0in the drain=A0circuit = can be > done empirically See article below. Then follow it with=A0a=A0low pass fi= lter, > although the output wave will be surprisingly clean.=A0Calculating the va= lues > is difficult as you don't necessarily know all the starting=A0parameters = and > in any case=A0the result is=A0going to wide of the mark. The site below w= ill > gives some starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the > output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise time= s. > Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. > These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a > dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very l= ow > at high power=A0giving cool heat-sinks! > > The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good > efficiency=A0and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply > voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable o= f > almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. > Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain w= ave > shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below shows you wh= at > you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L = and > C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the pe= ak > voltage across the Dummy load.=A0I then transfer my=A0connector from the = Dummy > load to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I adju= st > the coupling link to give the same peak voltage=A0across the tuner link t= urns. > You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy l= oad > indicating a 50ohm match.=A0This is done by either=A0adding or reducing= =A0the > number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing the the transformer= to > resonance by measuring the peak=A0up-lead current, here you are looking f= or > the maximum peak. > > Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work well. > > Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers. > > > For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure > and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-powera= mps.pdf > > For design ideas > http://www.classeradio.com/ > > For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp=A0that =A0is a scalab= le > surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. > http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ > > For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site" > http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 40CE33800008D; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScjDr-0004yB-7x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:22:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScjDq-0004y0-QH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:22:22 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScjDo-0004B7-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:22:21 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57KMJkG021573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:22:19 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57KMJcU012867 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:22:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD10D1E.7030304@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:20:46 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C693974@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C693974@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q57KMJkG021573 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thank you Rik! How much stronger was HE3OM? :-) Let's try in winther again when the leaves are down and the soil is frozen and i fire on all cylinders (as the US guys would say :-) ). 73, Stefan Am 07.06.2012 19:26, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > Hi Stefan, > > 579 on my 500kHz antenna (11m high, 25m long lazy-L tuned at 500kHz) and weak but clear copy on a 2m indoor wire. > The only signal that was stronger here was HE3OM. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Stefan Schäfer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: donderdag 7 juni 2012 16:10 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a > challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo > against the QRN :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 > so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: Re: LF: RE: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454797856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44fd10da93216 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thank you Rik! How much stronger was HE3OM? :-) Let's try in winther again when the=20 leaves are down and the soil is frozen and i fire on all cylinders (as=20 the US guys would say :-) ). 73, Stefan Am 07.06.2012 19:26, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > Hi Stefan, > > 579 on my 500kHz antenna (11m high, 25m long lazy-L tuned at 500kHz) an= d weak but clear copy on a 2m indoor wire. > The only signal that was stronger here was HE3OM. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: donderdag 7 juni 2012 16:10 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high wit= h > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a > challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo > against the QRN :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=3D50&customRange=3D= 137 > so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1B26D3800009F; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SarZy-0008Pk-4B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:53:30 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SarZx-0008Pb-Dd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:53:29 +0100 Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SarZv-0006Ql-Cv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:53:28 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.55] by nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 16:53:26 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.124] by tm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 16:53:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 16:53:26 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 476769.73145.bm@omp1033.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 45480 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2012 16:53:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338656006; bh=OE2bXczyUyohe/SEIklGui4lXlVN3uXO2gdr0jPV+EM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KRGKUQUJNVr5z95ON97Ah1gqvXXhggiUQttV2Vp+HZxDjfj1bUalVA+NFkpUlAXUKBjzAogfXte1yNdlgPX5V8jmPhobo9UwwQHTO196xQm3ML4UBnLTNFV8GsyK2+BwjKRTXI1dP6Hd51yrXXXZg8y//W/sJoYAaHJznWs0RZE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=N7lZyy5WuKGPEQGVQtdyWs4TY0f+9FxBL1XIIlV85PqSyBXOFitjL0OGz351wzi8EkX/3D1zqV897SWjUSPl3kALGJmcECgy7PP4gJCYsmZdKigQ3+KajQfEc5chFgMDjjglOxGBsRBYVKwNFgXZCOyf6PjQTazpLPLnirfIlm0=; X-YMail-OSG: 9N2oTDgVM1mYA1pfzfwxNlu0GkaCyEqa0_kj6nkNiVUNTkU TvfHWIj7eq.vRcP88fx3GkxG4GybvBGNPIObhh.eLjbgLd9X0Dx2VF883o_b gwx1DVPA0VuiP4r3mx1Vs7WDSOvcEk_sPeIprPyrJ414M4DN7_pSlwOgMI5B QrIWaAfr3oLvYq2l8C_nob4FX28A.nPqbOwxya6gbiAAjFACOllBqPWn8SuE ivUnOiVRo2h4Tfg0yoH9Q2kwyxctsFVuQHg_Ys4QfxqTEXr1Az35.lth1vZW XLbK9l7tlx7tZKXP0SO7UvdhmNfHpN4AW3DM5jVS7loCWXqS40XhKDEUBbnn X1cENtp5GBdBXWUDZrj2LEuoyXsmiLiVCwZ8n4KuQgwl8mmwEp5wEFWVSUSY 0IHTJTcJ6hiYi90HYaGvCY.crwcMXItV.VHtWoow1WDICtda0_Ez2MJct0y1 ldXx9fEkNyWQtksHcS3ta Received: from [86.164.58.31] by web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:53:25 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1338656005.45326.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:53:25 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes Dennis  A lot on nice amateurs shifted frequency to give me a report which was nice.  Well the application would not pick up a com port, the window was just blank, and try as I might the damn thing wouldn't connect. I played around with the port USB numbers in application manager but nothing worked....... left it over night and all is well in the morning ..... you tell me?  Oh and while we are on. Is this what you refered to during our QSO........ "Maybe get Dennis on as well....... I have reservations about encouraging Dennis with computers after the VAC debacle! "  The dictionary definition is ... A sudden, disastrous collapse, downfall, or defeat; a rout. A total, often ludicrous failure.  Which of the above definitions don't you agree with? hee hee sorry Dennis .... If I mention any one in a mail I usually CC them it's only descent. But I thought you would grab hold of that ..... :-)  Anyway you will smile when you hear that I have just dropped a full cup of tea on the carpet while answering this ...... Poetic Justice?  Opera is a form of CW and as such deserves a look at like FSK but probably narrower that 20c/s at the keying rate used. I have some comparisons and a method of calculating the band width of CW somewhere I reckons it's very narrow.  73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.21 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 24b65a258fa7a3a87cfdaa03bb2f3176 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-1222726043-1338656005=:45326" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:491519008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m003.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cd4fca45411bfc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-1222726043-1338656005=:45326 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Dennis =0A=C2=A0=0AA lot on nice amateurs shifted frequency to give me = a report which was nice.=0A=C2=A0=0AWell the application would not pick up = a com port, the window was just blank, and try as I might the damn thing wo= uldn't connect. I played around with the port USB numbers in application ma= nager but nothing worked....... left it=C2=A0over night and all is well in = the morning=C2=A0 ..... you tell me?=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AOh=C2=A0and while we = are on. Is this what you refered to during our QSO........ "Maybe get Denni= s on as well....... I have reservations about encouraging Dennis with compu= ters after the VAC debacle! "=0A=C2=A0=0AThe dictionary definition is ... A= sudden, disastrous collapse, downfall, or defeat; a rout. A total, often l= udicrous failure.=0A=C2=A0=0AWhich of the above definitions don't you agree= with? .......... hee hee sorry Dennis .... If I mention any one in a mail = I usually CC them it's only descent.=C2=A0 But I thought you would grab hol= d of that ..... :-)=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AAnyway you will smile when you hear th= at I have just dropped a full cup of tea on the carpet while answering this= ...... Poetic Justice?=0A=C2=A0=0AOpera is a form of CW and as such deserv= es a look at like FSK but probably narrower that 20c/s at the keying rate u= sed. I have some comparisons and a method of calculating the band width of = CW somewhere I reckons it's very narrow.=0A=C2=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO9= 1UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: DENNIS EASTERLING =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent:= Saturday, 2 June 2012, 17:24=0ASubject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB R= X dial=0A =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0AHi Pete =0A=C2=A0 =0ABeen busy and did not r= ead your emails until it was =0Atoo late, but judging by reports it looks g= ood, though pity about PC =0Acrash.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It seems that you sorted ou= t the opera keying, I wonder what =0Awas wrong before? =0A=C2=A0 =0A73 Denn= is M0JXM =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:21 AM =0A>Subje= ct: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Please= report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.=0A= >=0A>73 Pete FMT=0A> =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>_______= _________________________=0A>=C2=A0 ---1613889061-1222726043-1338656005=:45326 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tony=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 = 9:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" = Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. =
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 g3zjo=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: = O.T.:=20 Reflector status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some = time back=20 indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban = persons=20 like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his, =  this is=20 hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth = operation of=20 any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or = BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but = please=20 don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
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[86.30.58.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f19sm24799995wiw.11.2012.06.03.14.43.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:43:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FCB7397.8020204@legal-medicine.de> <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> <4FCBD854.5080003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> From: Roger Lapthorn X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <4FCBD854.5080003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-Id: <120D17A5-6D9A-4AED-B46F-F784E7EA4A28@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 22:43:38 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The poll is open until June 11th Stefan! 73s Roger -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 61577e2058c0d3bf1737d7de6ed6eb16 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=GET_STARTED_NOW, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471171552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d299.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194fcbdac07506 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none The poll is open until June 11th Stefan! 73s Roger -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 3 Jun 2012, at 22:34, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: > It wasn't possible to take part in the poll even after subscribing. So thi= s cannot be serious! Apart from the democratic conflict which is see too. > I think the different opinions are clear after that day. > Now i want to focus on amateur radio again, whatever the frequency might b= e. >=20 > Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > Am 03.06.2012 16:29, schrieb Graham: >> Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo= group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , so t= his should exclude your vote from the poll .... >>=20 >> G. >>=20 >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "pws" >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement >>=20 >>> John, >>>=20 >>> You wrote: >>>> ... >>>> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >>>> how do you want to continue? >>>>=20 >>>> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >>>> o With the Blacksheep.org list >>>> o Both lists >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> To vote, please visit the following web page: >>>> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=3D13140385 >>>=20 >>> I got what expected: >>> """ >>> To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable Web A= ccess. >>>=20 >>> With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, links, m= essage archive search, and more! >>>=20 >>> Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group >>>=20 >>> If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web Ac= cess and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. >>>=20 >>> To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". >>>=20 >>> Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? >>> If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now.= >>> """ >>>=20 >>> No, thanks! >>> I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. That's all. >>>=20 >>> Peter, df3lp >>>=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 208DC380000AB; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 06:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbrIT-0003Va-PE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:47:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbrIT-0003VR-8a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:47:33 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbrIQ-0001gQ-JM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:47:32 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoEKAJvizU9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFiX2ZYo8qBIEngQiCEwUBAQQBCAEBA0kCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQEJDQEQBxQBBBoGDAEJCAYTCgECAgEBAYdrAwYJB61jA4lYijNgHy+CKAEDgxYDiA2FMJJZhHuCYIFYBw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="393415369" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 11:47:25 +0100 Message-ID: <005201cd4308$96ffd380$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net><4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de><4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net><77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk><517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk><4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><016101cd427d$7f76f4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002d01cd42fd$900c80b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCDD3D6.9000308@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:47:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Steward I have already done that and still no good. I do not want to change my normal talktalk email address and I am afraid this could happen and cause even more confusion de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Bryant" To: Cc: "mal hamilton" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:39 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:502853632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fcde40e52e2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Steward I have already done that and still no good. I do not want to change my normal talktalk email address and I am afraid this could happen and cause even more confusion de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Bryant" To: Cc: "mal hamilton" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:39 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep > On 05/06/2012 10:28, mal hamilton wrote: > > John > > My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com > > This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get > > anything from the list on the left of page. > > de mal/g3kev > > > Mal > > Login to yahoo and go to here > > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join > > > Look for (Add new email address) and click - you may need to log in again. > > Add your talktalk email address > > Go back to > > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join > > the talktalk address should now be listed > > Select the radio button next to it > > Select the other options you want in steps 2 and 3 below > > Select save changes > > Now the yahoo group email will go to your talktalk a/c. > > 73 > > Stewart/G3YSX > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 65C27380000EE; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shs2L-0003S9-AK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:47:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shs2K-0003S0-JG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:47:44 +0100 Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shs2H-0006DI-Ka for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:47:43 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.232] by nm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 00:47:40 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.226] by tm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 00:47:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 00:47:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 934533.95959.bm@omp1003.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 20706 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2012 00:47:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=Bn42BtgYYqV2G4+kh7yUkq9QRK2IOceEue982S3JERbF5BtETwyycB/BruTHUDuyNyddqllSrXJN9XLS5RftWHUL2rWuRX9Nyv8LfE5Y4RaXVIciHTKW4FJF/74L9ALeW9ESgOCjjyTsgPtF7Z5Z5xza7EFvhzQhqgWF5plmtMg= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1340326060; bh=vjMlMzJWYZUlKtDQU1Q7iJ1nu4aByPwyh/mikVWBag0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=o3aGkRE9LG4qqMI2+podShCyTlbLVTwtWTmXRvZXGd5rMHBys1QkDJvEgAlq4CPnwnRElm2DOKyyyFbeo8dzryk/Zupqk9XoYXqBG9XDwOkzdLtWD27806TRdiIcMXUMN7ksJFRv/aYXV0rwMSg8SxV//sc9ENbNcFzx3S/qvr4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: SQ2_4h0VM1ku9r8eSqnG5D66IA0oERjAH2cu4DrHJEJe_a. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stephan, I dont know for certain. It is a long distance I would expect DCF39 to disappear after dawn......I wiuld expect a big drop from the darkness level maybe a return weaker peak "blip" before complete loss an hour after local ground sunrise. If its still active listen for CFH Halfax NS on 137.00kHz. Its a mil data transmission. at about the same ERP If the daytime tramsmission is "real DCF39" Its strength should increase from dawn until mid-day at mid path then deline slowly towards dusk. This is not great may only be 2-3dB but very consistent day to day and up to 6dB stronger in daytime during a magnetic storm (Kp=6) maybe 10dB during a severe event (Kp=9)** but I have no real knowledge of this so far towards the equator. All my data is from N. Europe [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.195 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 8ef270cc2ec30cd34b6313d7ada17a45 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,OPT_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:434231456:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m415.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fe3c0f4084c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stephan, I dont know for certain. It is a long distance I would expect DCF39 to disappear after dawn......I wiuld expect a big drop from the darkness level maybe a return weaker peak "blip" before complete loss an hour after local ground sunrise. If its still active listen for CFH Halfax NS on 137.00kHz. Its a mil data transmission. at about the same ERP If the daytime tramsmission is "real DCF39" Its strength should increase from dawn until mid-day at mid path then deline slowly towards dusk. This is not great may only be 2-3dB but very consistent day to day and up to 6dB stronger in daytime during a magnetic storm (Kp=6) maybe 10dB during a severe event (Kp=9)** but I have no real knowledge of this so far towards the equator. All my data is from N. Europe ** the hot electrons that give absorption at night, help daytime skywave usually for just a couple of days after an event (elevated Kp) You should see the telegrams but I guess you are using to narrow a resolution. With reasonable frequncy calibration DCF39 should be within 0.1Hz of what Markus measures. You may need GPS for this, I doubt WWVB will be accurate enough. at that distance. Alan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Cc: "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D." Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:03 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes Alan, What do you think about the remaining signal of DCF39 after the sunset? Is it really DCF39? Or a local QRM line? I once took a recording and reprocessed it here on my PC. I saw there is a local line (without the data bursts) but it was some Hz below DCF. Since the receive system is reasonable stable (drift < 0.1 Hz) i reduced the frequency range for detecting the signal level for the DCF plot to a BW of 1 Hz. Anyway there appears a trace which is > -30 dB below the night peak but anyway visible. Realistic? That path is almost completely over water. In some days you can even see the steps of S/N reduction due to the sunrise in the reflection zones. At least it looks like that.. With a receive loop in winther i think even G3KEV has a chance to appear there ;-) For winther i expect at least a 10 dB S/N improvement, maybe rather 20 dB. A loop which cancels the noise from the southern hemisphere, many stations will have good chances to appear in SA i think. 73, Stefan Am 22.06.2012 01:46, schrieb Alan Melia: > Hi Stefan, this is a function of propagation, I think. It depends on where > the interference originates. Because there is virtually no skywave > propagation in the "sunrise dip", no noise is propagated by skywave (> > 1000km) from the east. Where you live you have large cities all round you. > We get this effect on the edge of Europe as the daylight kills the > night-time propgation of noise fron the East (there a few big cities or > industrial noise sources for 3000 km W of Ireland > :-)) ) > > It was thought at first that this would be the best time for DX, but > despite trying it didnt work out that way. Mike G3XDV and Brian CT1DRP > tried quite hard..... but eventually made the qso mid morning, when the > noise was up again due to increases in daytime skywave!! That is if I > remember correctly.....it fascinated me as I was just getting interested > in LF long distance propagation around then. We found evening effects in > Nova Scotia and I believe similar effects were reported by John W1TAG and > Jay W1VD who are very close to the US East Coast. > > Alan > G3NYK > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" > > To: ; "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D." > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:22 PM > Subject: LF: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes > > >> Hello Martin, LF, >> >> I'm fascinated by the noise drop on LF which occurs during your sunrise. >> On your grabber >> (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), i can see >> the noise drops 15 dB within 20 minutes. That means the sun must be very >> strong so the ionosphere is very quickly ionized. Also the local >> lightning density must be extreme. All in all it looks like a very >> sensitive system. But some directivity would be interesting :-) >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> PS: I will be on 136.172 kHz again this night, starting in a few >> minutes... >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0D1FC38000098; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SczEo-00081q-4V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:28:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SczEn-00081h-Mn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:28:25 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SczEm-0007gC-4V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:28:24 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag0FALb40U9cHnWs/2dsb2JhbABFnnMDlVeBCIITFAEBA0kCFAoDCwIIAgEHARw5AQQaBggcHQECAgEBh365IpEmA4gNhTGXW4Jg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,377,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="374808189" Received: from host-92-30-117-172.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.117.172]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Jun 2012 14:28:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01cd457a$92dfce80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:28:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF I have been investigating the K9AY LOOP system and could easily convert my 40m quad loop. Instead of a fixed resistor going to Earth at one end use a 1 Kohm variable resistor and adjust for best front to back in the selected direction, although at my QTH noise is not a problem in any direction, so the advantage would be minimal except for some gain maybe. A motor driven resistor might be useful for some. I get good results with the bi directional 40m loop N/S and do not feel that I am missing anything but I might try the K9AY if I get time. I do not use a preamp, but on 137 it might enhance sensitivity. mal/g3kev . [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 75bd9e83b9a4dd6aff3296cebc5bb885 Subject: LF: K9AY ANT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD457A.927BB580" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:380704672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fd1fe22220a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD457A.927BB580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF I have been investigating the K9AY LOOP system and could easily convert = my 40m quad loop. Instead of a fixed resistor going to Earth at one end = use a 1 Kohm variable resistor and adjust for best front to back in the = selected direction, although at my QTH noise is not a problem in any = direction, so the advantage would be minimal except for some gain maybe. A motor driven resistor might be useful for some.=20 I get good results with the bi directional 40m loop N/S and do not feel = that I am missing anything but I might try the K9AY if I get time. I do not use a preamp, but on 137 it might enhance sensitivity. mal/g3kev . ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD457A.927BB580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
I have been investigating the K9AY LOOP system = and could=20 easily convert my 40m quad loop. Instead of a fixed resistor going to = Earth at=20 one end use a 1 Kohm variable resistor and adjust for best front to back = in the=20 selected direction, although at my QTH noise is not a problem in any = direction,=20 so the advantage would be minimal except for some gain = maybe.
A motor driven resistor might be useful for = some.=20
I get good results with the bi directional 40m = loop N/S=20 and do not feel that I am missing anything but I might try the K9AY if I = get=20 time.
I do not use a preamp, but on 137 it might = enhance=20 sensitivity.
mal/g3kev
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[...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 87d710a16221a80896a53ba5f0e97029 Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4A92.446988A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:475104128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fda7b590138 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4A92.446988A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good point Pete Not as yet , as all ways , the democratic way , anyone any ideas = !!!=20 will need to post a request in the yahoo groups as well =20 Tnx - G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:35 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR=20 Hi Graham Is there a dial frequency for Opera on the new 500kc/s allocation? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 22:49 Subject: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR=20 Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR =20 Good chance of a RA decode ? G. Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC)=20 PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:44=20 PA0A G0KTN 600m OPERA 623 kms 21:40:52=20 PA3ABK G0KTN 600m OPERA 491 kms 18:53:57=20 PA0A G3XDV 600m OPERA 465 kms 21:40:53=20 PA3ABK G3XDV 600m OPERA 337 kms 18:53:58=20 PA0A PA3ABK 600m OPERA 186 kms 21:40:51=20 PA0A PA0LPN 600m OPERA 140 kms 20:41:39=20 PA3ABK PA0LPN 600m OPERA 71 kms 18:53:57=20 PA3ABK PA0LCE 600m OPERA 54 kms 18:53:58=20 PA0A PA0A 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:35=20 RA3TTS RA3TTS 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:45=20 PA0BIE PA0BIE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:15:09=20 PA0LCE PA0LCE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:38:51=20 M0FMT M0FMT 600m OPERA 0 kms 20:44:28=20 RX3DHR RX3DHR 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:40:29=20 PA3ABK PA3ABK 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:39:02=20 RN3AGC RN3AGC 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:38:55=20 G3XDV G3XDV 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:37:32=20 PA0LPN PA0LPN 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:38=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4A92.446988A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good point Pete
 
Not  as  yet , as all ways  , the  = democratic  way=20 , anyone any  ideas  !!!
will need to post a request in the  yahoo groups as=20 well  
 
Tnx - G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR=20

Hi Graham
 
Is there a dial frequency for Opera on the new 500kc/s=20 allocation?
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, 14 = June 2012,=20 22:49
Subject: LF: = Opera 500Khz=20 monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR
Opera  500Khz monitors  RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR 
 
Good chance of  a  RA  decode  ?
 
G.
 
 
Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC) PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:44 PA0A G0KTN 600m OPERA 623 kms 21:40:52 PA3ABK G0KTN 600m OPERA 491 kms 18:53:57 PA0A G3XDV 600m OPERA 465 kms 21:40:53 PA3ABK G3XDV 600m OPERA 337 kms 18:53:58 PA0A PA3ABK 600m OPERA 186 kms 21:40:51 PA0A PA0LPN 600m OPERA 140 kms 20:41:39 PA3ABK PA0LPN 600m OPERA 71 kms 18:53:57 PA3ABK PA0LCE 600m OPERA 54 kms 18:53:58 PA0A PA0A 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:35 RA3TTS RA3TTS 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:45 PA0BIE PA0BIE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:15:09 PA0LCE PA0LCE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:38:51 M0FMT M0FMT 600m OPERA 0 kms 20:44:28 RX3DHR RX3DHR 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:40:29 PA3ABK PA3ABK 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:39:02 RN3AGC RN3AGC 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:38:55 G3XDV G3XDV 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:37:32 PA0LPN PA0LPN 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:38
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Content preview: Tracy No , Opera uses 'dial - usb' as the operating frequency , with audio frequency ranges of QSO 1200 / 1600 Hz Becn 1600 / 1800 Hz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b16f5c37bc0c21b41453c2ac5e65973c Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CD4BC2.9BB9DC00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454797248:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fdc79ee708c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CD4BC2.9BB9DC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracy No , Opera uses 'dial - usb' as the operating frequency , with = audio frequency ranges of=20 QSO 1200 / 1600 Hz Becn 1600 / 1800 Hz=20 Assume then , 477 , would be zero beat , same as the qrg for 500 = is 500Khz , making the lowest freq 501.2 Khz 200 hz inside = the band=20 Albert's idea may be a good option , as the lower audio limit = is 1200 Hz ? G.. From: Tracey Gardner=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:44 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? If you're talking about spot on 477kHz there are four NDB carriers = nominally on that frequency. 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Up to now , 477 is the only frequency on offer ? G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? I'd go with that Albert. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Albert To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5072 - Release Date: = 06/15/12 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CD4BC2.9BB9DC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tracy
 
No , Opera  uses  'dial - usb'   as the =20 operating  frequency  , with  audio frequency ranges = of=20
 
QSO    1200 / 1600  Hz
Becn    1600 / 1800  Hz
 
Assume then , 477 , would  be  zero beat  , same = as =20 the  qrg  for  500  is   500Khz , =20 making  the  lowest  freq     501.2 = Khz =20 200 hz inside the band
 
Albert's  idea may  be  a good  option  , = as=20 the  lower  audio  limit  is  1200 Hz  = ?
 
G..

From: Tracey Gardner
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:44 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

If you're talking about spot on 477kHz there are four NDB carriers=20 nominally on that frequency.
 
73s Tracey
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 12:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera = QRG for=20 472 Khz Band ??

Up to now , 477 is the  only  frequency   on = offer=20 ?
 
G.

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

I'd go with that Albert.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Albert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, 15 = June 2012,=20 10:54
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

G,

Just = to start=20 the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz.

73,=20 Albert





No virus found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.2177 / = Virus=20 Database: 2433/5072 - Release Date: = 06/15/12

------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CD4BC2.9BB9DC00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8F22A380000A1; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfz8d-0000M7-5O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:58:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfz8c-0000Ly-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:58:26 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfz8a-0003aD-NT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:58:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P7yN1j0094U6hVe037yPAP; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:58:23 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <0D4DC6EEC79B42328EDCDEFB0B10830B@AGB> <9BC6879BA28949A9A5292FB65ACD03BD@W1KW> In-Reply-To: <9BC6879BA28949A9A5292FB65ACD03BD@W1KW> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:58:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-1, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Geri Watching for your signal off air on 477 at the moment .......just starting to go dark , web-browser froze , but now back running , so am monitoring 477 via delft and off air Liverpool at the moment . [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 86b6d14137f1f41166b7b27a17921f7a Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017E_01CD4C02.C42929D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488603040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fdce5960773 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017E_01CD4C02.C42929D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Geri=20 Watching for your signal off air on 477 at the moment = .......just starting to go dark , web-browser froze , but now = back running , so am monitoring 477 via delft and off air = Liverpool at the moment . Ok, on the exciter, I use the Racal MA1723 , which will run ok = past 500 Khz , just checked and the ROS-MF 2 mode is -28 dB = min s/n =20 Its possible that 477.400 could be used , in the last 200 Hz , = as the mode is 100 Hz wide =20 Good results for you on the first day ! 73 -G.=20 From: DK8KW & DI2BO=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 Graham, I will look into ROS, I have a SSB exciter that works down to 100 kHz = which should be able to do the trick. Thanks, 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 DF2JP=20 First station to decode off air , at -22 dB that is strong = enough to use the ROS-MF-2 data mode for a qso ! , Opera qso = mode needs -20 dB min signal level ,=20 (ROS MF needs Audio + ssb or SDR tx , but is MFSK so no need = for a linear PA ) 18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w + = Umbrella,=20 18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com=20 Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft =20 73 -G.=20 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB *********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20 16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella ------=_NextPart_000_017E_01CD4C02.C42929D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok  Geri
 
Watching  for  your  signal  off  = air =20 on  477 at the  moment  .......just  starting  = to =20 go  dark  , web-browser  froze , but  now  = back =20 running  , so  am monitoring    477  = via =20 delft  and  off air  Liverpool  at the  moment = .
 
Ok, on the exciter, I use the   Racal MA1723 , = which =20 will  run  ok  past  500 Khz  , just =20 checked  and  the  ROS-MF 2 mode  is   -28 = dB  min  s/n 
 
Its possible  that  477.400  could  be  = used =20 , in the  last  200 Hz  , as the  mode  = is  100=20 Hz  wide 
 
Good  results for  you  on the  first  day = !
 
73 -G.

From: DK8KW & DI2BO
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

Graham,
 
I will look into ROS, I have a SSB = exciter=20 that works down to 100 kHz which should be able to do the=20 trick.
 
 
Thanks, 73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 9:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera = decode=20 from 477 via Delft sdr

DF2JP
 
First  station  to  decode  off  air , = at =20 -22 dB   that is  strong enough  to  use = the =20 ROS-MF-2  data  mode  for  a qso !   ,=20 Opera  qso mode  needs  -20 dB min signal  = level  ,=20
 
(ROS MF needs  Audio + ssb  or  SDR   = tx  ,=20 but  is  MFSK  so  no need  for  a  = linear=20 PA )
 

18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella,

18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com
Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

*********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20

 

16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Chris, Thanks for sharing this interesting paper. Well, the circuit looks quite complex but the image of the final construction looks compact. Since we got access to 472 kHz a weeks ago, i need another receive antenna now, since all my front ends are resonanted, i.e. mono band. So the advantage of a single receive antenna becomes more and more convincing to me. Of course it needs a high dynamic range without distortion of the spectrum then.. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: c1f72e5acb1277e013f90c915ad7ad68 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:423851232:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fe6f79c0f48 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Chris, Thanks for sharing this interesting paper. Well, the circuit looks quite complex but the image of the final construction looks compact. Since we got access to 472 kHz a weeks ago, i need another receive antenna now, since all my front ends are resonanted, i.e. mono band. So the advantage of a single receive antenna becomes more and more convincing to me. Of course it needs a high dynamic range without distortion of the spectrum then.. A question: The DC supply voltage is connected to e.g. C16? What might be the lower cutoff frequency if values for the input LP and HP filters are well choosen? It should be possible to extend the circuit to the VLF range (?). 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 23.06.2012 17:53, schrieb Chris Trask: > This amplifier provides better performance than either the Wellbrook or Pixel commercial products: > > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper009.html > > > Chris Trask > N7ZWY / WDX3HLB > Senior Member IEEE > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DBAAB3800009A; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfyOR-0008R5-1G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:10:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfyOM-0008Qw-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:10:38 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfyOJ-0003Nr-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:10:36 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P7Aa1j00C4U6hVe037AbyH; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:10:35 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <0D4DC6EEC79B42328EDCDEFB0B10830B@AGB> In-Reply-To: <0D4DC6EEC79B42328EDCDEFB0B10830B@AGB> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:10:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: DF2JP First station to decode off air , at -22 dB that is strong enough to use the ROS-MF-2 data mode for a qso ! , Opera qso mode needs -20 dB min signal level , (ROS MF needs Audio + ssb or SDR tx , but is MFSK so no need for a linear PA ) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 34d483c57c7a6bf26c25db3c8765d5fc Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0143_01CD4BFC.16A6E2D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:455190592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554fdcda6e314d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0143_01CD4BFC.16A6E2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DF2JP=20 First station to decode off air , at -22 dB that is strong = enough to use the ROS-MF-2 data mode for a qso ! , Opera qso = mode needs -20 dB min signal level ,=20 (ROS MF needs Audio + ssb or SDR tx , but is MFSK so no need = for a linear PA ) 18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w + = Umbrella,=20 18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w + = Umbrella From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com=20 Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft =20 73 -G.=20 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB *********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20 16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w + = Umbrella ------=_NextPart_000_0143_01CD4BFC.16A6E2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DF2JP
 
First  station  to  decode  off  air , = at =20 -22 dB   that is  strong enough  to  use = the =20 ROS-MF-2  data  mode  for  a qso !   , = Opera =20 qso mode  needs  -20 dB min signal  level  ,
 
(ROS MF needs  Audio + ssb  or  SDR   = tx  ,=20 but  is  MFSK  so  no need  for  a  = linear PA=20 )
 

18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w + = Umbrella,

18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com
Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

*********** 16/06/2012 *********** =

 

16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella

------=_NextPart_000_0143_01CD4BFC.16A6E2D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DFEAC38000095; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 05:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si0KS-0004bz-DI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:39:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si0KR-0004bq-TO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:38:59 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si0KP-0002DS-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:38:58 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhgFABo85E9cF/ZW/2dsb2JhbABFoBYDlUiBCIITFAEBA0kCFAoDCwIIAgEHARw5AQQaBggcHQECAgEBh366IJEwA4gUhTaXY4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,457,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395707741" Received: from host-92-23-246-86.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.86]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 2012 10:38:56 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01cd505a$d79cd230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:38:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF Experiment this morning on 475 Khz band. Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz. Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB attenuation inserted120dB [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 1e15d6d6179985f133b43d42d658878a Subject: LF: NF MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD505A.D7614FD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:247841296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074fe43d6d2fa6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD505A.D7614FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF Experiment this morning on 475 Khz band. Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz. Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB attenuation = inserted-------------120dB Antenna 1/4 wave inv L connected 95dB therefore a gain of 25 dB Time 0900 utc ----daytime Band quiet no static -- typical radio = environment at this QTH=20 I must do this check after dark g3kev =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD505A.D7614FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
Experiment this morning on 475 Khz = band.
 
Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz.
 
Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB = attenuation=20 inserted-------------120dB
 
Antenna 1/4 wave inv L connected  95dB = therefore a=20 gain of 25 dB
 
Time 0900 utc  ----daytime   Band = quiet no=20 static -- typical radio environment at this QTH
 
I must do this check after dark
 
g3kev
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD505A.D7614FD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E7E4D38000091; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbv13-0005zy-GW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:45:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbv12-0005zp-U8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:45:48 +0100 Received: from smtp1web.tin.it ([212.216.176.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbv0z-0002iA-Os for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:45:47 +0100 Received: from fep-mail-web-l2b.virgilio.net (212.48.20.162) by smtp1web.tin.it (8.6.023.02) id 4ECA1AC40335F423; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:45:44 +0200 Message-ID: <137bd1bc883.marcocadeddu@tin.it> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:45:44 +0200 (CEST) From: "marcocadeddu@tin.it" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: john.rabson@numeo.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 81.201.7.62 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John, LF it's crazy but we had probably the same thought... I had a similar idea few months ago wishing to leave the bulky although satisfying Kenwood TS950 on HF instead of run as IF for my LF transverter. Just for fate (looking for a Drake VFO stabiliser) I went to the site of Cumbria Designs: they offer a kit based on SI570 although with less features than the QRP2000... anyway I got it and I find it suitable as candidate for the core of an LF exciter. I suggest you also a visit to theweb pages of Andy G4JNT http://www.g4jnt. com/LFUpconv.pdf and have a look on his way to interface the audio from PC to the rf of generator. At this time I have to make a new PCB because I made an error ordering to digikey a couple of IC... with smt components it happens! but waiting for the new pcb I'm amusing myself with deadbug construction. Just for fun find in attachment the schematic at its 3rd release (sure not the last because I probably cut the interstage transistors). [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.216.176.195 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (marcocadeddu[at]tin.it) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 T_FREEMAIL_DOC_PDF MS document or PDF attachment, from freemail X-Scan-Signature: 90147e6f13d664e24ede8c05d2bbb24a Subject: R: LF: 137 kHz exciter Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_517_5364979.1338907544094" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81284 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:415930336:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4fce1bce2928 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_Part_517_5364979.1338907544094 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, LF it's crazy but we had probably the same thought... I had a similar idea few months ago wishing to leave the bulky although satisfying Kenwood TS950 on HF instead of run as IF for my LF transverter. Just for fate (looking for a Drake VFO stabiliser) I went to the site of Cumbria Designs: they offer a kit based on SI570 although with less features than the QRP2000... anyway I got it and I find it suitable as candidate for the core of an LF exciter. I suggest you also a visit to theweb pages of Andy G4JNT http://www.g4jnt. com/LFUpconv.pdf and have a look on his way to interface the audio from PC to the rf of generator. At this time I have to make a new PCB because I made an error ordering to digikey a couple of IC... with smt components it happens! but waiting for the new pcb I'm amusing myself with deadbug construction. Just for fun find in attachment the schematic at its 3rd release (sure not the last because I probably cut the interstage transistors). Have fun in construction! 73 Marco, IK1HSS ----Messaggio originale---- Da: john.rabson@numeo.fr Data: 25- mag-2012 8.56 PM A: Ogg: LF: 137 kHz exciter LF, This is now working! I used the QRP 2000 synthesiser (completed with assistance from G8DQX) and have added a divide-by-100 unit based on the design by G3KAU with some modifications: - the original design assumed 10 to 50 W sine wave input. I left out the attenuator because the synthesiser delivers 2.6 V peak to peak square wave, which is enough to drive the 4017, - I was not intending to use anything other than 137 kHz and the power amplifier requires square wave drive, so I left out the post-divider filters, - the output from the second divide-by-10 stage is sufficient to drive my Class E Power Amplifier so I didn't bother with a buffer, - there are several versions of the 4017 but with different capabilities and voltage ratings. I used the CD74HC4017, - and provided a 6 V rail rather than 13. The unit is now in a die-cast box and I shall shortly be testing it with the PA into a dummy load. After that, I need to look at software for driving the synthesiser. For test purposes I have been using the SI570 programmes referred to in the documentation but they clearly are not appropriate for transmission. 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Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to increase the radiation resistance. 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Yes fold it back, = meander it....spacings less than about 2 feet dont add much over a = single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce = the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly = the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) = will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to = increase the radiation resistance. Your diagram is difficult to read but running one of the wires directly = under another will be of no benefit and may be worse than not having = it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at least 2 feet = aside before folding it back.......I think you get the idea. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: LF: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Any thoughts on the best configuration for the top wire ?? Tnx -G, ------=_NextPart_001_005B_01CD4FCC.CE190000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter = too much =20 :-))
The thing is to get as much wire as = high as=20 possible. Yes fold it back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 = feet dont=20 add much over a single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember = this may=20 reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase = slightly=20 the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage=20 points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to=20 ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) will = probably halve=20 you ground losses. It will do very little to increase the radiation=20 resistance.
 
Your diagram is difficult to read but = running one=20 of the wires directly under another will be of no benefit and may be = worse than=20 not having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at = least 2=20 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the = idea.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
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Subject: LF: InV L Top wire = config - Best=20 Option ??

InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best Option = ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  configuration  = for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
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id 1SbsrL-0004be-Rw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:27:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbsrL-0004bV-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:27:39 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbsrJ-000283-Vb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:27:38 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhoFAKv5zU9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFnlwDlVWBCIIPBBQBAQNJAiELAggCAQYBHTkBBBoGGAQIHQECAgEBh363N5EjA4gNhTCXVIJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="37167195" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 13:27:36 +0100 Message-ID: <008101cd4316$964358f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open to me in spite of being able to log in I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors going and this will satisfy all concerned. My main objection was the way the transition suddenly took place without proper consultation. I would suggest everyone votes openly on both reflectors, to avoid lock outs like we are hearing about from several others. 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My main objection was the way the transition suddenly took place without = proper consultation. I would suggest everyone votes openly on both reflectors, to avoid lock = outs like we are hearing about from several others. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CD4316.960C9180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open = to me in=20 spite of being able to log in
I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors = going and=20 this will satisfy all concerned.
My main objection was the way the transition=20 suddenly took place without proper consultation.
I would suggest everyone votes openly on both = reflectors,=20 to avoid lock outs like we are hearing about from several = others.
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mal Very intersting Did you hear any of the Border Blaster X stations out of Mexico, quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with massive antennas haloed with a corona that could be seen right across the border into Texas, pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n Roll to the Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Ionosphere than the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at night. Amazing range which upset the US gov. [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.108.205 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-227392023-1340622421=:48239" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:300509088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d001.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4fe846de4c9b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror ---1613889061-227392023-1340622421=:48239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal=0A=A0=0AVery intersting=0A=A0=0ADid you hear any of the Border Blast= er X stations out of Mexico, quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with = massive antennas haloed with a corona that could be seen right across the b= order into Texas,=A0pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n Roll to the = Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Ionosphere tha= n=A0the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at night. Amazing ra= nge which upset the US gov.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_______= _________________________=0A From: mal hamilton =0AT= o: rsgb =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 10:34= =0ASubject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006=0A =0A=0A =0ATerry es Co =0A=A0 = =0AShow me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Google maps then. =0AG= 3KEV/VR4MC =0A=0A=A0. ---1613889061-227392023-1340622421=:48239 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mal
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Very intersting
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Did you hear any of the Border Blaster X= stations out of Mexico, quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with mass= ive antennas haloed with a corona that could be seen right acr= oss the border into Texas, pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n = Roll to the Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Io= nosphere than the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at ni= ght. Amazing range which upset the US gov.
73 es GL Pe= te M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net&= gt;
To: rsgb <rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent= : Monday, 25 June 2012, 10:34
Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006
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=0A<= div>Terry es Co
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Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no G= PS or Google maps then.
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G3KEV/VR4MC
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---1613889061-227392023-1340622421=:48239-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 372AB380000AA; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 05:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb6qM-00055y-Hv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:11:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb6qL-00055p-Ti for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:11:25 +0100 Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb6qK-0000Pc-6x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:11:24 +0100 Received: by bkty5 with SMTP id y5so6506493bkt.16 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:11:21 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=nj/d5pRofUBNtfSUDPVQX0lmt45EXKbG/mKDDHj4iO0=; b=I5uDfiqPNifFCsAhnDm1lFR0FXlx/NXtZK+swAgzkimkkR+KGMI7VQvbsaAs+u6LxY 7Oe/5lCfO2ijlQhb3d+bzc5XREd9c6G3HsbdngbJFpt1b/4eG4z05GbufjJ22BW5RrXa 5O6B5HKB1rioDVcV6W4wiMpk1RUUSlQ7JmDt8xWE5jhz2IFeXA3r+XxKPinMnGS5ejis LhUrheR0OFtHZR1eLP5yRfNKG+0z7yY+KF7Am/Gk6XV/P0p8+8/Bf3xzCQxroyhjkx+o 6347OWBSJbp7bDLC00T74R+82Im1gR8mOQNXIP6awL4hqcNUOAc5g2ogxRXB7Cews5bV Hcrw== Received: by 10.205.133.13 with SMTP id hw13mr4553138bkc.30.1338714681625; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.197] (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de. [77.21.14.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n19sm6635330bkv.14.2012.06.03.02.11.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:11:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> From: DK8KW & DI2BO X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:11:18 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi, While I can understand some people's wishes to continue on the blacksheep server, those should understand that the move to Yahoo is not because email servers are suddenly outdated and not 'en vogue' any longer. There are reasons behind this transition. Some (many?) of us had trouble to post in the past couple of months and were on 'read only' mode due to some issues with the server. I had tried multiple times to post here and, due to the lack of time, I had to give up. Only recently I found a workaround by using a completely different email account. I am glad that with the Yahoo Group I can return to read and hopefully post on a regular basis, making use of the LF/MF's community joint intelligence and experience. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dk8kw.di2bo[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1708620d3ce65bee0beaaede7929769a Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1464fcb2a763bcf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi, While I can understand some people's wishes to continue on the blacksheep se= rver, those should understand that the move to Yahoo is not because email se= rvers are suddenly outdated and not 'en vogue' any longer. There are reasons= behind this transition. Some (many?) of us had trouble to post in the past c= ouple of months and were on 'read only' mode due to some issues with the ser= ver. I had tried multiple times to post here and, due to the lack of time, I= had to give up. Only recently I found a workaround by using a completely di= fferent email account. I am glad that with the Yahoo Group I can return to r= ead and hopefully post on a regular basis, making use of the LF/MF's communi= ty joint intelligence and experience. Talking about advertisements and spam: the email address that I used only fo= r the LF-reflector has been swamped in the past years by mails from people f= rom foreign countries offering a lot of money if I assist them to transfer m= oney of numerous people who suddenly and sadly passed away. I am glad to get= rid of those spams as well now and gladly take into account some advertisem= ents on the Yahoo group. 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO On 03.06.2012, at 10:37, pws wrote: > To John, G3WKL, >=20 > Please do NOT shut down this reflector. >=20 > 1. It's active in positive sense. >=20 > 2. There are too many hams here who say > "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven > Brave New World were each posting will be > "googleable" for ever. Me too. >=20 > That's the reason I unsubscribed from > some Yapoo-Groups recently. >=20 > 73 Peter, df3lp >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4472D38000090; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXhA-0002ut-Au for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:40:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXh9-0002uk-Oc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:40:15 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfXh7-0006e0-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:40:14 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkkFALJH209cHnS//2dsb2JhbABFgkWiMJBdgQiCEwUBAQQBCAEBAyAhCAIhBQYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGAIGDAoIBg8EAQkBAgIBAQELBIdcAwYJB7A7A4lYizaCdoMbA4gPhTSRBYZZgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,417,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="38608143" Received: from host-92-30-116-191.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.116.191]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 15:40:12 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01cd4b04$c2af4070$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" References: <1339764331.93564.androidMobile@web87306.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, <62B235AA2E5B403DBB68DD1DCBE0FFCC@TraceyPC> <4FDB4937.5414.64D2FC4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:40:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Un supervised amateur Beacons will be the most likely cause of QRM both to other amateurs in QSO mode and the NDB service. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Dennison To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 878378c84d659d633f9d7bc29982f8f5 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD4B04.C27851F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:428363168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fdb497d0f21 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD4B04.C27851F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Un supervised amateur Beacons will be the most likely cause of QRM both = to other amateurs in QSO mode and the NDB service. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Dennison=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 Guard bands for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as the MCW=20 receivers would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any=20 interference from amateurs is likely to be extremely local. Our small=20 signal working is likely to suffer more QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs than = to=20 them. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz. > Twelve of those have been logged from the UK. > The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide detailed > information on frequencies which should be avoided. It should be = borne > in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of approx 400Hz and > 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of specific slots to = be > wary of. >=20 > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ >=20 > Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some form = of > guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with NDBs? >=20 > 73s Tracey G5VU __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (9)=20 Recent Activity: a.. 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Un supervised amateur Beacons will be the most = likely=20 cause of QRM both to other amateurs in QSO mode and the NDB=20 service.
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike Dennison
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 = 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] = Band=20 Planning for 472 Khz Band ?

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Guard bands for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as the = MCW=20
receivers would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any =
interference=20 from amateurs is likely to be extremely local. Our small
signal = working is=20 likely to suffer more QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs than to =
them.

Mike,=20 G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

> Twenty-seven NDBs = have been logged in Europe=20 between 472-479kHz.
> Twelve of those have been logged from the=20 UK.
> The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide=20 detailed
> information on frequencies which should be avoided. = It should=20 be borne
> in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of = approx 400Hz=20 and
> 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of specific = slots to=20 be
> wary of.
>
> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/n= db/reu/
>=20
> Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some = form=20 of
> guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with = NDBs?
>
> 73s Tracey = G5VU

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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD4B04.C27851F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D65CC380000D6; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiVrT-0002T3-Kp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:19:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiVrS-0002Su-AT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:19:10 +0100 Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com ([74.125.82.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiVrQ-0006zO-R7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:19:09 +0100 Received: by wgbfa7 with SMTP id fa7so1997718wgb.28 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:19:06 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HjS1E8sRPVv6W6EZn4/6bZtxvzy6K8TjO7fJVINKRik=; b=S0Eh0MW3QDPr2wsAdtljvEH6eIatRxguEdnMGmHODmzLkyXNJ7+D3Xar0G0xrEfqTN b1aqLIziesZhLJDrv8UaAyJTNxeiTGoKeD9RlQwGezNwVVU+W/ncX8QEZdyHtl+glGe2 BQhgikpm/lgBb+RxVZTc+MMak6y1dOHkuyOa/XxjW2NGgZFbzF7XOQXN/m1l1BW6lN+t TyTC5dfKTul7a80kVAsdv2YlclHGw/hP0vKcbUXRa/mzQod1Rr5+teCpvHih35JwZJSt nxpPd3DbTY0Clk/PLyoPmmxqnvTZaLIqVVnUK+oA2XajJ2mo0d/5UD3NNKlDV3ib0l/8 EYeg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.87.232 with SMTP id bb8mr13678312wib.0.1340479146483; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:19:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello the list, Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester which now has taken over Jackson Bros? I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... 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Content preview: Yesnoticed Dave Pick G3YXM was on 500kc/s Opera, I also noticed I was giving G3XIZ -28dB then realised my antenna was not connected to the RX!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 22:52 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.246 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ae3221d431bd19e5880aa98eda07ece4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-1848560748-1338675007=:90457" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487816768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4fca8f8948a5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-1848560748-1338675007=:90457 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=0AYesnoticed Dave Pick=A0G3YXM was on 500kc/s Opera, I also noticed I w= as giving G3XIZ=A0-28dB then realised my antenna was not connected to the R= X!!!=0A=A073 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A______________________________= __=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 22:52=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on= 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT=0A =0A=0A =0ANo problem Pete =0A=0ASeems= =A0 activity on=A0=A0 500k=A0 mid=A0 summer=A0 =0Ais=A0 higher=A0 than=A0 m= id winter=A0 , over=A0 16 stations=A0 =0Ashowing=A0 up=A0 to=A0 day , and= =A0 one=A0 new=A0 station =0A=A0to=A0 MF=A0 on my=A0 decode=A0 list=A0 19:3= 4 500 G3YXM Op4 +2 dB=A0: ) =0A=A0 =0AAe system=A0 is=A0 working=A0 well=A0= , top =0Aof=A0 my=A0 loaded=A0 wire=A0 L=A0 is bent=A0 back=A0 on =0Aits s= elf , not=A0 convinced its the=A0 best arrangement ,=A0 now =0Athe=A0 mast = has=A0 been=A0 replaced=A0 and the=A0 blocks=A0 =0Aare=A0 free, I can=A0 tr= y a=A0 few=A0 changes , see=A0=A0 what =0Ahappens , luckily=A0 with=A0 abou= t=A0 150 watts=A0 I can=A0 =0Adecode=A0 via the=A0 delft=A0 web-sdr=A0 , so= =A0 thats a =0Agood=A0=A0 remote=A0 f/s=A0 meter hi=A0 =0A=A0 =0A73 -G.=A0 = =0A=0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 6:41 PM =0ATo: rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB= RX dial - NOW =0AQRT =0A =0AThanks for all the info Graham locally we have= Chris G3XIZ on and now =0Ame it only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure wil= l get into this, I mailed him =0Atoday ........... via this medium. =0A=A0 = =0AThe Rig I=A0described it is capable of much higher power =0A(depending u= pon output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's =0Acur= rently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for the = =0Alogic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, limi= ts the =0Apower to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate the = supply to the =0APA and get a lot more from the device I supose. =0AThe out= put goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer =0Avia a short= =A0coax lead then to=A02 link turns,=A0then from the "Top" =0Aof the transf= ormer to the=A0up lead which goes through teflon insulating =0Awashers thro= ught the wall and straight up=A0 to the 8inch ribbed glass=A0insulator abou= t 35 feet then on=A0a slope to a =0A24foot mast (soon to increased to 35fee= t). Tuned against several long earthing =0Awires. =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FM= T IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Graham =0A=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012, =0A17:19=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX d= ial=0A=0A=0AOk=A0 Pete, =0A=0AThese are all=A0 the=A0 decodes=A0 I have , I= was using the=A0 =0ASkanti=A0 r5003=A0 Rx=A0 with=A0=A0=A0 40 ft alloy =0A= scaffold=A0 pole=A0=A0 vertical=A0 , no=A0 atu , only=A0 =0Athe=A0 pre-sele= ctor=A0 in the=A0 rx , fed vis=A0 abt=A0 90 feet =0Aof=A0 rg213 coax =0A= =0AGood=A0 signal=A0 for=A0 10 watts=A0 , just on the=A0 =0Aedge=A0 for the= =A0 qso=A0 mode=A0 , at=A0 -20 dB=A0 minimum , =0Abut=A0 15 watts=A0 would= =A0 do=A0 the=A0 job ! =0A=0AAs I say=A0 its=A0 the=A0 only=A0 plug-and-pla= y=A0=A0 =0Adata=A0 mode=A0 , just plug in place of the=A0 CW key=A0 ( the= =A0 =0Adevelopment=A0 was=A0 based on the=A0 racal=A0 ma1723=A0 , =0Ain=A0 = CW mode at=A0 20=A0 wpm=A0 as the maximum=A0=A0 =0Akeying=A0 speed and=A0 e= nvelope=A0 shape) =0A=0A=0A73 -G. =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0A14:00 500 = M0FMT Op4 -21 dB13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB = =0A13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:07 500 M0= FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB = =0A12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB =0A12:38 500 M0= FMT Op4 -20 dB =0A12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB =0A12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB = =0A12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB =0A11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB =0A=0A=0A=0A = =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Ad= ial =0A =0AHi Graham =0A=A0 =0AYes very pleased with it so far I will chang= e power soon trying to =0Amake up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable= power on the =0Arig (GW3UEP) Class E Fet O/P stage Gate. =0APC not crashed= .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actually done nothing to =0Astop it..= ..... weird. =0A=A0I have only just got my head around opera...... =A0thou= ght it was =0Aa linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more li= ke a CW transmission which I =0Alike. =0A=0AThanks for all the info on oper= a btw. =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A___________________________= _____=0AFrom: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, =0A13:37=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: =0Ab= eacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A=0A=0AWow=A0=A0 and that=A0 was=A0 just u= sing the=A0 Op=A0 =0Aw/fall !=A0 You=A0 could=A0 reduce to=A0 2 watts=A0=A0= =0Aand=A0 still=A0 decode !=A0=A0 =0A=0AGlad the=A0 system=A0 is=A0 worki= ng=A0 for=A0 you =0A=0AG.. =0A=0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Saturday, June= 02, 2012 1:33 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: = Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial =0A =0AThanks Paul =0A=A0 =0AGraham= is right about QRG. =0A=A0 =0AMy PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3= using my HB PIC keyer =0A(not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer = looking.=0A =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_________________________= _______=0AFrom: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, =0A13:12=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: = =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A=0A=0A =0Acould be=A0=A0 503.275=A0 ?= =A0=A0 +/-=A0=A0 a =0Abit=A0 ! =0A=0AG. =0A=0A =0AFrom: Clemens Paul =0ASe= nt: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0ACc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk =0ASubject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.5= 9kc/s USB RX dial =0A =0A>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting =0A=A0 =0AWhat = is the actual tx qrg then? =0AJust for exactly looking if the signal is vis= ible at =0Aall. =0A=A0 =0A73=0AClemens=0ADL4RAJ =0A----- Original Message = ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Sat= urday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM =0A>Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX d= ial =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX= dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.=0A>=0A>73 Pete FMT=0A> =0A>=0A>73 es GL= Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>=A0 =0A>= E-Mail ist virenfrei.=0A>Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de=0A>Version: =0A= 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012 ---357169082-1848560748-1338675007=:90457 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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Yes noticed Dave Pick G3YXM was on 500kc/s= Opera, I also noticed I was giving G3XIZ -28dB then real= ised my antenna was not connected to the RX!!!
=  73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <= g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Se= nt: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 22:52
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial= - NOW QRT

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No problem Pete
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Seems  ac= tivity on   500k  mid  summer  =0Ais  higher&= nbsp; than  mid winter  , over  16 stations  =0Ashowing=   up  to  day , and  one  new  station =0A&nb= sp;to  MF  on my  decode  list  19:34 500 G3YXM Op4 +2 dB : )
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Ae system  is&n= bsp; working  well  , top =0Aof  my  loaded  wire&= nbsp; L  is bent  back  on =0Aits self , not  convinced= its the  best arrangement ,  now =0Athe  mast has  bee= n  replaced  and the  blocks  =0Aare  free, I can&= nbsp; try a  few  changes , see   what =0Ahappens , luc= kily  with  about  150 watts  I can  =0Adecode&nbs= p; via the  delft  web-sdr  , so  thats a =0Agood =   remote  f/s  meter hi 
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73 -G.  =0A
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From: M0FMT
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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 6:41 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 5= 01.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW =0AQRT
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Th= anks for all the info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on and now =0Ame i= t only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I mailed him = =0Atoday ........... via this medium.
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&nbs= p;
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The Rig I described it is capable of much higher= power =0A(depending upon output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in = PA voltage it's =0Acurrently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltag= e regulators for the =0Alogic stages they will only stand about 25volts max= , with this rig, limits the =0Apower to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose = I could separate the supply to the =0APA and get a lot more from the device= I supose.
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The output goes straight into the aeri= al 100mm diameter transformer =0Avia a short coax lead then to 2 = link turns, then from the "Top" =0Aof the transformer to the up l= ead which goes through teflon insulating =0Awashers throught the wall and s= traight up  to =0Athe 8in= ch ribbed glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope to a =0A2= 4foot mast (soon to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long earthi= ng =0Awires.
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73 es GL= Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From:= Graham =0A<g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, = =0A17:19
Subject: Re: L= F: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

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Ok  Pete,=0A
 
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These are all  the  decodes = I have , I was using the  =0ASkanti  r5003  Rx  with&n= bsp;   40 ft alloy =0Ascaffold  pole   vertical&nb= sp; , no  atu , only  =0Athe  pre-selector  in the = ; rx , fed vis  abt  90 feet =0Aof  rg213 coax
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Good  signal  for  10 watts  , jus= t on the  =0Aedge  for the  qso  mode  , at  = -20 dB  minimum , =0Abut  15 watts  would  do  the=   job !
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As I say  its  the&= nbsp; only  plug-and-play   =0Adata  mode  , just = plug in place of the  CW key  ( the  =0Adevelopment  wa= s  based on the  racal  ma1723  , =0Ain  CW mode a= t  20  wpm  as the maximum   =0Akeying  speed= and  envelope  shape)
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73 -G.
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12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
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12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB
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12= :14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
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11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB
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= From: M0F= MT
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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM
=0A<= div>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A=0A
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial
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Hi Graham
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Yes very pleased with it so far I will chang= e power soon trying to =0Amake up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable power on the =0Ar= ig (GW3UEP) Class E Fet O/P sta= ge Gate. =0APC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actually do= ne nothing to =0Astop it....... = weird.
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 I have only ju= st got my head around opera......  thought it was =0Aa linear mode but= this makes sense for LF comms.= much more like a CW transmission which I =0Alike.
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Thanks for all the info on opera btw.
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: =0AGraham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g =0A
Sent: Saturday, 2= June 2012, =0A13:37
Subject: Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

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Wow   and that = was  just using the  Op  =0Aw/fall !  You  could&= nbsp; reduce to  2 watts   =0Aand  still  decode !=   
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Glad the  system  = is  working  for  you
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G.. =
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From: M0FMT
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Sent: Saturday, June 0= 2, 2012 1:33 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 50= 1.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial
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Thanks Paul
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Graham is right a= bout QRG.
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My PC keeps crashing so may go back = to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer =0A(not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Tha= nks fer looking.
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: =0AGraham <= g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk&g= t;
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A
Sent: Saturday, 2 J= une 2012, =0A13:12
Subject:= Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

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could be&= nbsp;  503.275  ?   +/-   a =0Abit  !=0A
 
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G.
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From: Clemens Paul =0A
=0A<= div>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
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To: <= a title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" ymailto=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
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Cc:= rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk =0A=0A
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial
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>on 501.59kc/s USB= RX dial setting
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What is the actual tx qrg then?
=0AJust for exactly looking if the signal is visible at =0A= all.
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=0A
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
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----- =0A Original Message -----
= =0A
From: =0A M0FMT
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Sent: =0A Saturday, June 02, 2012= 1:21 PM
=0A
Subject: =0A LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s= USB RX dial
=0A

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=0A
Hi All

Please report my= beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pe= te FMT
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73 e= s GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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E-Mail ist vi= renfrei.
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---357169082-1848560748-1338675007=:90457-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9284538000093; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeaMV-0001Oy-5O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:18:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeaMU-0001Op-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:18:58 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeaMS-0001Gw-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:18:57 +0100 Received: from BLU153-W20 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:18:54 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.61.82.17] From: Laurence KL7UK To: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:18:53 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FD7CCC5.1010106@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: ,<4FD7CCC5.1010106@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2012 23:18:54.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBE270B0:01CD48F1] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes - I have plans to put my LF and MF gear back on the air next fall. It will be a loop in the forest as verticals are out given losses and Im at the end of a runway! Power would be around 5W ERP or so on 137Khz in the main lobe - Laurence [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.12 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (hellozerohellozero[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: da9a90c67b7e22f6718c156d8d99c1a4 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c4ab96f4-e59d-4cad-9aa0-dc4679ac8079_" Subject: RE: LF: KL1X/5 KL7UK/5 QRT and QSY X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:513832576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44fd7ce924ecb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_c4ab96f4-e59d-4cad-9aa0-dc4679ac8079_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes - I have plans to put my LF and MF gear back on the air next fall. It w= ill be a loop in the forest as verticals are out given losses and Im at the= end of a runway! Power would be around 5W ERP or so on 137Khz in the main = lobe -=20 Laurence Date: Wed=2C 13 Jun 2012 01:12:05 +0200 From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: KL1X/5 KL7UK/5 QRT and QSY =20 Hi Laurence=2C I think you will be happy to come back to your family again. Congrats! Any new big projects on LF in AK now as you'll have more time? Thanks for the efforts you've done to receive me in Oklahoma / EM16TS on December=2C 12th 2011=2C https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC.jpg 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC Am 13.06.2012 01:02=2C schrieb Laurence KL7UK: =20 =20 =20 =20 Chaps - the time has come to exit Oklahoma stage right and am returning to work/live in Alaska with occasional sojourns to Northern Alberta. =20 =20 KL1X/5 (aka KL7UK/5) Bartlesville OK will be closing down likely this evening. =20 =20 Thanks for the fish =20 =20 Laurence "Flo" KL7UK http://kl7uk.com =20 =20 =20 = --_c4ab96f4-e59d-4cad-9aa0-dc4679ac8079_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes - I have plans to put my LF and MF gear back on the air next fall. It w= ill be a loop in the forest as verticals are out given losses and Im at the= end of a runway! Power would be around 5W ERP or so on 137Khz in the main = lobe - =3B

Laurence

Date: Wed=2C 13 Jun 2012 01:12:05= +0200
From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de
To: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: KL1X/5 KL7UK/5 QRT and QSY

=20 Hi Laurence=2C

I think you will be happy to come back to your family again. Congrats!
Any new big projects on LF in AK now as you'll have more time?
Thanks for the efforts you've done to receive me in Oklahoma / EM16TS on December=2C 12th 2011=2C https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC.jpg

73=2C Stefan/DK7FC

Am 13.06.2012 01:02=2C schrieb Laurence KL7UK:

Chaps - the time has come to exit Oklahoma stage right and am returning to work/live in Alaska with occasional sojourns to Northern Alberta.

KL1X/5 (aka KL7UK/5) Bartlesville OK  =3Bwill be closing down likely this evening.

Thanks for the fish

Laurence "Flo" KL7UK

= --_c4ab96f4-e59d-4cad-9aa0-dc4679ac8079_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 44CAB3800008B; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 07:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfrQe-0005kZ-Id for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:44:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfrQe-0005kQ-1G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:44:32 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfrQc-0001e9-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:44:30 +0100 Received: from W1KW (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.14.177]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MDTqb-1ShCD2080T-00HS0M; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:44:29 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW" To: References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> <1339767393.38173.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <6127C0D605D3463B803A5D57D87FEC56@AGB> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:44:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:iC1a6wUDwudNdfdTFFWcMO8EcRCIwZGAg9H/mbWJdB0 bSvZD8EtWNf+3iYru3JoDfIf2K/FH6JxB6NGz2jtjNPmSGBMc2 FWerzuW22OEDxmg5cIZTbZ8PSb67MaK9CoijLU3R2ZXC5lNvKa 6p4kscVFvpxrIqwH+663Srwon+U25oG8k4meKdUCwIlosT+nbM RL342Pj4MUwc1J7bllJiI0URqCjoDDZCOotCXZ0qBn7ovX7woJ kdJ3fc8k0NPqrSxPZQd06CFHBfEf3DCXBM3qNN1gFn18q/bskZ VkebKroaaovTEo8/PavBesGiyfLqDwZpMXnmPZdFbLOpQnzTA= = X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: What are the actual frequencies that are then occupied by OPERA? As long as it is guaranteed that it's all below 2000 Hz above the dial frequency, 477 sounds like a good plan as a start. 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.186 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e51657317b06d9cbe905ec682fad6602 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4BC6.2655FDF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:386968608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fdc71d20cde X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4BC6.2655FDF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What are the actual frequencies that are then occupied by OPERA? As long = as it is guaranteed that it's all below 2000 Hz above the dial = frequency, 477 sounds like a good plan as a start.=20 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Up to now , 477 is the only frequency on offer ? G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? I'd go with that Albert. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Albert To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4BC6.2655FDF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
What are the actual frequencies that = are then=20 occupied by OPERA? As long as it is guaranteed that it's all below 2000 = Hz above=20 the dial frequency, 477 sounds like a good plan as a start. =
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 1:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera = QRG for=20 472 Khz Band ??

Up to now , 477 is the  only  frequency   on = offer=20 ?
 
G.

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

I'd go with that Albert.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Albert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, 15 = June 2012,=20 10:54
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

G,

Just = to start=20 the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz.

73,=20 = Albert





------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4BC6.2655FDF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B4E493800009A; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Seuoa-0004ew-28 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:09:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuoZ-0004eW-K6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:09:19 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeuoX-00063t-Hv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:09:18 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5DL9FbY001222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:09:15 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5DL9Fke004475 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:09:15 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD90118.2050501@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:07:36 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Gary, Tnx for the info. I was already asking myselfe if you're planning a summer break... GL! 73, Stefan Am 13.06.2012 17:40, schrieb Gary G4WGT: > Hi All, > > Sorry to say that the loss of grabber updates is due to a problem with > my PC. > > Unable to resolve early & the grabbers may be off for a few days. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1e15d6d6179985f133b43d42d658878a Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabbers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000701050506020207000805" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:465577152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4fd901a8014b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000701050506020207000805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gary, Tnx for the info. I was already asking myselfe if you're planning a summer break... GL! 73, Stefan Am 13.06.2012 17:40, schrieb Gary G4WGT: > Hi All, > > Sorry to say that the loss of grabber updates is due to a problem with > my PC. > > Unable to resolve early & the grabbers may be off for a few days. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. --------------000701050506020207000805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gary,
Tnx for the info. I was already asking myselfe if you're planning a summer break...

GL! 73, Stefan

Am 13.06.2012 17:40, schrieb Gary G4WGT:
Hi All,

Sorry to say that the loss of grabber updates is due to a problem with my PC.

Unable to resolve early & the grabbers may be off for a few days.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.
--------------000701050506020207000805-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5BF5D3800009A; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SevzF-0005GS-Ri for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:24:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SevzF-0005GJ-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:24:25 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SevzC-0006O1-Ve for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:24:24 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews30.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.196]) by cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 14 Jun 2012 00:24:21 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.22]) by cpsps-ews30.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Thu, 14 Jun 2012 00:24:21 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Thu, 14 Jun 2012 00:24:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD91315.3070102@kpnmail.nl> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 00:24:21 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2012 22:24:21.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[47F8E540:01CD49B3] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Could reach him once, just taking the chance of positive propagation wave. Albert managed to pre-heat the duct towards Moscow having -15dB. Mostly I differ 6-10dB with his signal. The last sequence PA0A slowly disappeared on my end, had to give him 1dB, normally he is 6. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.5 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:396161216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554fd9135f7759 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror Could reach him once, just taking the chance of positive propagation wave. Albert managed to pre-heat the duct towards Moscow having -15dB. Mostly I differ 6-10dB with his signal. The last sequence PA0A slowly disappeared on my end, had to give him 1dB, normally he is 6. 22:21 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -17 dB in Moscow 22:16 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -23 dB in Moscow 22:07 500 PA3ABK de RN3AGC Op4 2178 km -28 dB in Moscow with 40w + L-ant 35m+wat 22:02 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 -15 dB in Moscow 21:53 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -29 dB in Moscow 21:40 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -28 dB in Moscow 21:13 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -24 dB in Moscow 21:06 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -32 dB in Moscow Jan/pa3abk On 14-6-2012 0:04, Graham wrote: > What s/n levels ? > G.. > Txmtr Rcvr > Band > Mode > Distance > Time (UTC) > > PA0A RN3AGC > 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:24 > PA3ABK PA3ABK > 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:45:31 > PA0LPN PA0LPN > 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:05 > -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DF9C53800008A; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sf7M2-0006nk-3d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:32:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sf7M0-0006nb-GU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:32:40 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sf7Lu-0000D2-NH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:32:39 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.8.75]) by mwinf5d26 with ME id NAYV1j00Q1d7sp603AYVWN; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:32:33 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <1339438549.67345.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <85F124CBD59C48FEB97567F3B69B2AC1@lindavideo> <1339499711.77638.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <006a01cd48cb$f2e1aed0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1339599103.18960.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FD900B4.7020905@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1339628355.5649.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <51AD766F39DB486D83959D6053278D61@AGB> <1339665853.36124.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1339665853.36124.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:32:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120614-0, 14/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok P Well I just looked at a pic of the amp , tubes are 811a replacements , good tube , in grounded grid ? , 813 has similar anode dissipation 120 watts , but more gain + neutralisation problems : ( ....... 4cx250 in free fall must of been a spectacular event , touch wideband ! I lost x 3 807 when the bias failed , looked like snow storms inside the tubes before they burst , funny non of the fuses popped , only the main one in the the house ......introduction to transients .. 1 MW Klystron , yes , most think they are little things like local oscillators hihi, what no noise , 'scope-dope' seems to ring a bell .... [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 49fa206fef156ef774912f010a71e2ed Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD4A21.61A657C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:518566368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fd9be11565a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD4A21.61A657C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok P Well I just looked at a pic of the amp , tubes are 811a = replacements , good tube , in grounded grid ? , 813 has similar = anode dissipation 120 watts , but more gain + neutralisation = problems : ( ....... 4cx250 in free fall must of been a spectacular = event , touch wideband ! I lost x 3 807 when the bias failed , = looked like snow storms inside the tubes before they burst , funny = non of the fuses popped , only the main one in the the house = ......introduction to transients .. 1 MW Klystron , yes , most think = they are little things like local oscillators hihi, what no noise = , 'scope-dope' seems to ring a bell ....=20 New radar systems , data processing, digital processing of radar = data has been in place for a very long time... after H2S , not = very much is published about AI ....=20 Good luck with the build projects , Im just slowly acquiring a shack = full of broken equipment as things start to fail due to age , , the = racal syncal-30 is the latest to develop a sense of humour, with = distorted tx audio , first time it was used /P in the Isle of = Man last week .. G.. =20 Don't see any problem with the BS reflector, any attempt to define = what is 'topic' is in these advancing days is perhaps a little = blinkered , =20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:24 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Again Graham The FL2000b has 2 x 572B triodes in parallel grounded grid. These are = directly heated tubes and have carbon anodes. 1/ they give a good light = display and 2/ you can tune up by observing the "blush" on the anodes = (if you wanted to). I have had it years hardly use it got after the = original owner had had it retubed and serviced. Makes a bit of = difference on 80m when the going gets difficult. As with your hipower thyratron all you need is a good multi Kw PSU. Oh = and some x-ray protection? I spent a bit of time in the MoD back in the 90s and one radar I used to = visit was on Scotland's east coast it was very old but nothing to = replace it. The whole transmitter cabin rotated with the antenna. God = knows what the power O/P was. The power pickup was via a pair of = circular channels of mercury and the bottles in the cabin where a sight = to see probably kicked out as much x-ray as they did microwave. We were running a mobile radar fairly modern still thermionic had a = massive single Klystron 1MW pulse! On site was a new solid state phased = array unit there to replace the old rotary cabin Joby but wasn't having = a happy time. A major complaint was the ops couldn't turn the rx gain up = to see the sparkles to be confident it was working..... hee! The new = systems have a lot of software processing before the display reaches the = scopie. Hasen to add I am not a radar expert in any way. When you work = for that outfit you get thrown into jobs you know nothing about. I was = mainly on comms infrastructure and didn't know much about that = either.... ;-0. Oh and yes used 4cx250s and 4cx150 in 2m and 70cms PAs the one for 70 = took off and recked my transverter. They were designs out of the old = RSGB VHF handbook when I were a Jaite! I am not going back to Hi power Tube rigs again its not necessary when = hi power FETs are so cheap. Any way this all a bit off topic. Its bit like the last day at school = before the summer break on this reflector doing what you like before it = gets turned off.... hee! And not much to do with Class d/e or any other = letter of the alphabet.. What I have to sort out is my RX for MF/LF it = is not good, need some ideas? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 1:55 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Ok Pete .. blow up ? !!......Depends on the tubes : )) = http://home.comcast.net/~n6jv/data/6C21.pdf This is what you need (with a bit of re-work) ..... =20 http://www.radartutorial.eu/08.transmitters/tx06.en.html VK or Bust !! FL2000 , with 2 x 813 ? nice amp, my skanti trp5000 has = 2 x 4cx250-b in the PA runs well 1.8/30 Mhz , I use 2 = combined skanti 250 watt solid state 50v linear amps with the = ma1723 for LF>Hf , wide band , just change the ATU hi ..... = could do with a simple class e/d for 500 as the ab1 amps are a = little power hungry ..=20 G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Stefan and Graham Thanks for the comments. None of my MF/LF tx.s run more that 160watts = although by seriesing a couple of PSUs one with a floating ground I can = run about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like seriesing the PSUs so = only do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to build a new high = voltage PSU 100V at a good current rating. The rigs are FET PA IRF840 = etc mostly xtal controlled or xtal mixer type master oscillator (but do = have DDS), into a FET driver chip. And set them as described earlier. I have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s transforming the Low = impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer to drive the = antenna tuner. Front end currently popped!! Using it for QRSS = overnight.Will get it back on soon. My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side issue and am not advocating = them for serious modern MF/LF work. However there is no reason why not. I have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts out = Choke modulated AM and CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on AM on 3.615megs. = The second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now = is again xtal mixer vxo. They use 6CL6 video tubes in the PA. The = 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure out why, it should be = about 5watts. How ever on my new found Opera4 have been reported in PA0 = land (on the limit). I have built and still got one or two 807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking = about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown amateur in the = 1950s and a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 rig on the stocks.... but = probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This to show my thermionic = credentials.... hee! For shear interest I would like to try and make a high efficiency TUBE = PA but probably won't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX = design looks interesting but probably very dodgy to set up, stability = and all. Graham your arc tubes is all very well but what I have read is = that they have a tendency to blow up...... and so do FETs ok so no = change there then. My current limitation to power Stefan is lack of a single stable PSU = with a couple of KW output. The antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and = 128ft top.=20 I don't have a good RX for MF/LF what I have are deaf by others = standards and this is my main area of interest at the moment. I have = used a TS50 and a TS690s full filters plus a couple of direct conversion = HB RX with active filers and notch. Front ends have gone from dual gate mosfet to straight into the mixer = but S/N is still poor evidenced by WSPR and Opera reports I give to = other station who are being received much better elsewhere. If any one = can help me with that then it would make life here on MF/LF a lot = better.=20 Keep the bands open and may get to work you Stefan now you have = 472/9....... why the delay in the UK???? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=E4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012, 22:05 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete, LF,=20 On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% efficiency with a = class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if your antenna = provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround = a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output power), a = well designed class E PA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW RF (CW, key = down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET.=20 I hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but = i can understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, = although i'm not from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier = i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT:=20 Well shoot me down with my britches on fire! Mal=20 I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers = By RCA. I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any = time because I thought they used special valves to achieve the fast = response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode = and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of the anode = one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you get a very = fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned = circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ = http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/ I think the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency = TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work OK = for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away with one = set up. Now to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Pete es Co The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E = and well designed would produce 70% efficiency. The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it = is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage = generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% = efficiency if you are lucky.=20 Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch = to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not = careful about matching to load. I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for = years. Fets are probably more manageable, compact and safer regarding = voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high = current, like an electric chair!! 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 AM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Ken I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes = than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I = won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency = output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an = amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low = resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well = into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is = barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in = terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying = to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive = frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain = will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor = will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the = guide I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if = you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there = is enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on = the sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a = doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that = will detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high = power, efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The = GW3UEP design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom = style unobtainium in the components listing. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Ken To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd = order differential equations, partial integration and integration by = parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional = integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my = Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I = like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike = semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. 73s Ken M0KHW From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Class E etc Hi Ken=20 Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You = need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions = for the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using = a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn = the FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with = accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate = voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for = transients, a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and = inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article = below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave = will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you = don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the = result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some = starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output = conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. = Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well = above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET = is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good = efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply = voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable = of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly = cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct = drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below = shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy = load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope = then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer = my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer = in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak = voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum = peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. = This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two = turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring = the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak. =20 Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work = well. Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers.=20 For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning = Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... = http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-powera= mps.pdf For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a = scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20 http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD4A21.61A657C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok P
 
Well  I just looked  at a  pic  of the  = amp=20 ,  tubes are  811a  replacements  , good  tube = , =20 in grounded  grid ?  , 813  has  similar anode=20 dissipation   120 watts  , but  more  gain +=20 neutralisation  problems : ( .......  4cx250  in free = fall =20 must of been  a  spectacular  event , touch wideband = !  I=20 lost   x 3   807  when the  bias  = failed ,=20 looked  like  snow storms  inside the  tubes before=20 they  burst , funny  non of the  fuses  popped , = only=20 the  main  one in the the  house ......introduction to = transients=20 ..  1 MW  Klystron  , yes , most think  they = are =20 little things  like  local oscillators  hihi,  = what=20 no  noise  , 'scope-dope'  seems to  ring a  = bell ....=20
 
New radar systems  , data  processing,  digital = processing=20 of radar  data  has  been  in place  for =20 a very  long  time... after H2S , not very much is =20 published  about  AI  ....
 
Good  luck  with the build projects , Im  just = slowly=20 acquiring a  shack full of  broken  equipment as = things =20 start to fail due to age ,  , the  racal syncal-30  = is=20 the  latest to  develop  a  sense of humour, with=20 distorted  tx  audio  , first  time  it = was =20 used  /P in the  Isle of  Man  last week = ..
 
G..  
 
Don't see any  problem  with the  BS  = reflector, any=20 attempt  to  define  what is  'topic'  is  = in  these advancing  days  is  perhaps a = little =20 blinkered ,  

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:24 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Hi Again Graham
 
The FL2000b has 2 x 572B triodes in parallel grounded grid. These = are=20 directly heated tubes and have carbon anodes. 1/ they give a good light = display=20 and 2/ you can tune up by observing the "blush" on the anodes (if you = wanted=20 to). I have had it years hardly use it got after the original owner had = had it=20 retubed and serviced. Makes a bit of difference on 80m when the going = gets=20 difficult.
 
As with your hipower thyratron all you need is a good multi Kw = PSU. =20 Oh and some x-ray protection?
 
I spent a bit of time in the MoD back in the 90s and one radar = I used=20 to visit was on Scotland's east coast it = was very old=20 but nothing to replace it. The whole transmitter cabin rotated with the = antenna.=20 God knows what the power O/P was. The power pickup was via a pair of = circular=20 channels of mercury and the bottles in the cabin where a sight to see = probably=20 kicked out as much x-ray as they did microwave.
We were running a mobile radar fairly modern still thermionic = had a=20 massive single Klystron 1MW pulse! On site was a new solid state phased = array=20 unit there to replace the old rotary cabin Joby but wasn't having a happy = time. A major=20 complaint was the ops couldn't turn the=20 rx gain up to see the sparkles to be confident it was working..... hee! = The new=20 systems have a lot of software processing before the display reaches the = scopie.=20 Hasen to add I am not a radar expert in any way. When you work for that = outfit=20 you get thrown into jobs you know nothing about. I was mainly on comms=20 infrastructure and didn't know much about that either.... ;-0.
 
Oh and yes used 4cx250s and 4cx150 in 2m and 70cms PAs the one = for 70=20 took off and recked my transverter. They were designs out of the old = RSGB VHF=20 handbook when I were a Jaite!
 
I am not going back to Hi power Tube rigs again its not necessary = when hi=20 power FETs are so cheap.
 
Any way this all a bit off topic. Its bit like the last day at = school=20 before the summer break on this reflector doing what you like before it = gets=20 turned off.... hee! And not much to do with Class d/e or any other = letter of the=20 alphabet.. What I have to sort out is my RX for MF/LF it is not good, = need some=20 ideas?
 
 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, 14 = June 2012,=20 1:55
Subject: Re: LF: = RE: Class=20 E etc

Ok Pete .. blow up ? !!......Depends on the  tubes  : = ))  http://home.comcast.net/~n6jv/data/6C21.pdf
 
This  is what  you need  (with a  bit of = re-work) =20 ..... 
http://www.radartutorial.eu/08.transmitters/tx06.en.html<= /A>
VK or Bust  !!
 
FL2000   , with  2  x 813  ?  = nice =20 amp,   my  skanti  trp5000   = has   =20 2 x    4cx250-b   in the  PA  runs = well =20 1.8/30 Mhz  ,   I  use   2  =20 combined  skanti 250 watt solid state 50v   linear = amps =20 with the  ma1723 for  LF>Hf  , wide  band  , =  just change the  ATU  hi .....   could  = do =20 with a  simple  class e/d for  500  as  = the =20 ab1  amps  are a little  power hungry ..
 
G..
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:59 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Hi Stefan and Graham
 
Thanks for the comments. None of my MF/LF tx.s run more that 160watts although by = seriesing a = couple of=20 PSUs one = with a=20 floating ground I can run about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like = seriesing the = PSUs so only = do it during=20 experimenting not on the air. Need to build a new high voltage = PSU 100V at a = good current=20 rating. The rigs are FET PA IRF840 etc mostly xtal = controlled or xtal mixer = type master=20 oscillator (but do have DDS), into a FET driver chip. And set them as = described=20 earlier.
 
I have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s = transforming the=20 Low impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer to drive the = antenna=20 tuner. Front end currently popped!! Using it for = QRSS = overnight.Will get=20 it back on soon.
 
My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side issue and am not = advocating=20 them for serious modern MF/LF work. However there is no reason = why=20 not.
 
I have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts = out Choke=20 modulated AM and CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on AM on = 3.615megs. The=20 second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now is again xtal mixer = vxo. They use = 6CL6 video=20 tubes in the PA. The 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure out = why, it=20 should be about 5watts. How ever on my new found Opera4 = have been=20 reported in PA0 land (on the limit).
I have built and still got one or two 807 PAed rigs for = 80m=20 knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown amateur = in the=20 1950s and a Codar=20 T5 and a push pull 807 rig on the stocks.... but probably won't get = finished.=20 Plus an FL2000B. This to show my thermionic credentials.... hee!
 
For shear interest I would like to try and make a high = efficiency=20 TUBE PA but probably won't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX = design=20 looks interesting but probably very dodgy to set up, stability and all. = Graham=20 your arc tubes is all very well but what I have read is that they have a = tendency to blow up...... and so do FETs ok so no change there then.
 
My current limitation to power Stefan is lack of a single = stable=20 PSU = with a couple=20 of KW output. The antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and 128ft top. =
 
I don't have a good RX for MF/LF what I have are deaf by others = standards and=20 this is my main area of interest at the moment. I have used a TS50 and a = TS690s=20 full filters plus a couple of direct conversion HB RX with=20 active filers and notch.
Front ends have gone from dual gate mosfet to straight into the mixer but S/N = is still=20 poor evidenced by WSPR and = Opera reports I=20 give to other station who are being received much better = elsewhere. If=20 any one can help me with that then it would make life here on MF/LF a = lot better.=20
 
Keep the = bands=20 open and may get to work you Stefan now you have 472/9....... why the delay in the = UK????
 
73 es GL Pete=20 M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, 13 = June 2012,=20 22:05
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 Class E etc

Hi Pete, LF,

On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy = achieve 95%=20 efficiency with a class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! = So if=20 your antenna provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit = to obtain=20 the best efficiency (not the highes output power), a well designed = class E PA is=20 definitifely a good=20 choice! 1 kW RF (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET.
I = hardly=20 expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but i can = understand=20 the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, although i'm not from = the tube=20 generation ;-) The first power amplifier i heard of was a 2N3055 in the = late 80s=20 as i was 12 year old or so :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb = M0FMT:=20
Well shoot me down with = my=20 britches on fire!
 
Mal
I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube = amplifiers By RCA.
I have heard of higher = efficiency=20 Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought they used = special=20 valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on = a tuned=20 circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the = third=20 harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third = hamonic you = get a very=20 fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA = tuned=20 circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/
 
I think the point about = this is=20 that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters and = the like.=20 And probably will work OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations = where we=20 may get away with one set up.
 
Now to see if it is = scalable to=20 lower power video tubes.
 
73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Tuesday, 12 = June 2012,=20 19:48
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 Class E etc

Pete es Co
The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to = class D or=20 E and well designed would produce 70% efficiency.
The class D or E is not really an amplifier in = the convential = sense it is=20 merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage = generated is=20 increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency = if you=20 are lucky.
Like some have said a tube amp is more robust = and=20 tolerant of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is = not=20 careful about matching to load.
I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they = have been=20 going for years.
Fets are probably more manageable, = compact=20  and safer regarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a = few=20 K/volts at high current, like an electric chair!!
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 = 11:15=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E = etc

Hi Ken
 
I believe you=20 can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than = C but=20 they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't=20 go into figures = but just=20 think about it. The high efficiency output = stage has to=20 operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it = changes=20 state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off = (which means=20 a device that will operate well into the VHF) the = higher the=20 efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a = couple of=20 megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking=20 about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic = field in=20 the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast=20 rate in-order to=20 generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are = not=20 talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although = a scope=20 on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean = looking=20 sine wave. Try it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is = the=20 guide I use to bring a PA into optimum = performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very = well but if=20 you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF=20 then there is enough empirical data from = following=20 the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that = will get=20 you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to = bamboozle you colleagues then that = will=20 detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high = power,=20 efficient TX design well within anybodies = capabilities. The GW3UEP design=20 being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in=20 the components listing.
 
73 es GL = Pete M0FMT=20 IO91UX
From: Ken <ken.h.wright@btinterne= t.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Monday, 11 = June=20 2012, 22:09
Subject: LF:=20 RE: Class E etc

Hi Pete.
About 40 years ago my integration was = quite=20 good, liked doing 2nd order differential = equations,=20 partial integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had = big=20 problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space = .=20   Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is=20 probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is = because=20 they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep = the=20 shack and the cat warm.
 
73s
 
Ken
 
M0KHW
 
From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20 [mailto: owner-=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20 ] On Behalf Of=20 M0FMT
Sent: 11=20 June 2012 19:16
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Subject: LF: Class E=20 etc
 
 
Hi Ken =
 
Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration=20 Ken?
 
Here are a couple of sites that should = answer=20 your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. = Setting=20 the conditions for the amplifier is to do with  A/ the correct = driver=20 preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 = non and=20 TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully = off on each=20 cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / = space).=20 Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is=20 not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode = clamp=20 helps.  B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in = the=20 drain circuit can be done empirically = See=20 article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, = although the=20 output wave will be surprisingly = clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't = necessarily=20 know all the starting parameters and in any case the = result=20 is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some = starting=20 values. Best to use 'Scope measurements = to=20 set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / = Off rise=20 times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the=20 key.
These amplifiers are capable of = incredibly good=20 efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat = dissipation=20 from the FET is very=20 low at high power giving cool heat-sinks!
 
The GW3UEP (do a web search) single = ended=20 design is capable good efficiency&nb= sp;and=20 high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply = voltage. I=20 have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of = almost twice=20 that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. = Adjusting L and=20 C empirically = using=20 the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is = the way=20 to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set = my TX up=20 into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain = wave=20 shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy = load. I then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to = the=20 input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. = I adjust=20 the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the = tuner link=20 turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across = the=20 dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by = either adding=20 or reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with = bringing=20 the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead = current,=20 here you are looking for the maximum=20 peak.  
 
Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value = capacitors=20 from Maplin work=20 well.
 
Read the articles and search info on = class E=20 amplifiers. 
 
 
For some bed time reading but ignor the=20 math look at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which = tell it=20 all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Soka= l%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
 
For design=20 ideas
=
 
For a good practical circuit for a = single ended=20 amp that  is a scalable = surefire=20 design, no need to reinvent the = wheel.
 
<= /DIV>
For antennas and antenna feed methods = a "look no=20 where else site"
http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks for all the info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on and now me it only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I mailed him today via this medium. The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power (depending upon output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for the logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the device I supose. The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer via a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the "Top" of the transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon insulating washers throught the wall and straight up to the 8inch ribbed glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope to a 24foot mast (soon to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long earthing wires. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.92 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 91e1efbff209cbddb14bc9e018c2cfe8 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1366730205-1338658900=:90499" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:480200640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m265.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fca50a15c1a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1366730205-1338658900=:90499 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on and now me it= only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I mailed him to= day ........... via this medium.=0A=A0=0AThe Rig I=A0described it is capabl= e of much higher power (depending upon output FET currently an IR840?) with= increase in PA voltage it's currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7= 812 voltage regulators for the logic stages they will only stand about 25vo= lts max, with this rig, limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Supp= ose I could separate the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the devic= e I supose.=0AThe output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter trans= former via a short=A0coax lead then to=A02 link turns,=A0then from the "Top= " of the transformer to the=A0up lead which goes through teflon insulating = washers throught the wall and straight up=A0 to the 8inch ribbed glass=A0in= sulator about 35 feet then on=A0a slope to a 24foot mast (soon to increased= to 35feet). Tuned against several long earthing wires.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Saturday, = 2 June 2012, 17:19=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial= =0A =0A=0A =0AOk=A0 Pete, =0A=0AThese are all=A0 the=A0 decodes=A0 I have = , I was using the=A0 =0ASkanti=A0 r5003=A0 Rx=A0 with=A0=A0=A0 40 ft alloy = =0Ascaffold=A0 pole=A0=A0 vertical=A0 , no=A0 atu , only=A0 =0Athe=A0 pre-s= elector=A0 in the=A0 rx , fed vis=A0 abt=A0 90 feet =0Aof=A0 rg213 coax = =0A=0AGood=A0 signal=A0 for=A0 10 watts=A0 , just on the=A0 =0Aedge=A0 for = the=A0 qso=A0 mode=A0 , at=A0 -20 dB=A0 minimum , =0Abut=A0 15 watts=A0 wou= ld=A0 do=A0 the=A0 job ! =0A=0AAs I say=A0 its=A0 the=A0 only=A0 plug-and-p= lay=A0=A0 =0Adata=A0 mode=A0 , just plug in place of the=A0 CW key=A0 ( the= =A0 =0Adevelopment=A0 was=A0 based on the=A0 racal=A0 ma1723=A0 , =0Ain=A0 = CW mode at=A0 20=A0 wpm=A0 as the maximum=A0=A0 =0Akeying=A0 speed and=A0 e= nvelope=A0 shape) =0A=0A=0A73 -G. =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0A14:00 500 = M0FMT Op4 -21 dB13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB = =0A13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:07 500 M0= FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB = =0A12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB =0A12:38 500 M0= FMT Op4 -20 dB =0A12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB =0A12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB = =0A12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB=0A11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A= From: M0FMT =0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial= =0A =0AHi Graham =0A=A0 =0AYes very pleased with it so far I will change p= ower soon trying to =0Amake up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable po= wer on the rig (GW3UEP) Class E Fet O/P =0Astage Gate. PC not crashed .... = wait for it! .... for a bit now actually done =0Anothing to stop it....... = weird. =0A=A0I have only just got my head around opera...... =A0thought it= was =0Aa linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much =0Amore like = a CW transmission which I like. =0A=0AThanks for all the info on opera btw.= =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________= =0AFrom: Graham =0A=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, =0A13:37=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: =0Abea= con on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A=0A=0AWow=A0=A0 and that=A0 was=A0 just usi= ng the=A0 Op=A0 =0Aw/fall !=A0 You=A0 could=A0 reduce to=A0 2 watts=A0=A0 = =0Aand=A0 still=A0 decode !=A0=A0 =0A=0AGlad the=A0 system=A0 is=A0 workin= g=A0 for=A0 you =0A=0AG.. =0A=0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Saturday, June = 02, 2012 1:33 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: R= e: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial =0A =0AThanks Paul =0A=A0 =0AGraham = is right about QRG. =0A=A0 =0AMy PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 = using my HB PIC keyer =0A(not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer l= ooking.=0A =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A__________________________= ______=0AFrom: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, =0A13:12=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: =0A= beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A=0A=0A =0Acould be=A0=A0 503.275=A0 ?=A0= =A0 +/-=A0=A0 a =0Abit=A0 ! =0A=0AG. =0A=0A =0AFrom: Clemens Paul =0ASent:= Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AC= c: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk =0ASubject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/= s USB RX dial =0A =0A>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting =0A=A0 =0AWhat is t= he actual tx qrg then? =0AJust for exactly looking if the signal is visible= at =0Aall. =0A=A0 =0A73=0AClemens=0ADL4RAJ =0A----- Original Message ----= - =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Saturda= y, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM =0A>Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial = =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dia= l =0A setting. Temporary QRG.=0A>=0A>73 Pete FMT=0A> =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pet= e M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>=A0 =0A>E-Ma= il ist virenfrei.=0A>Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de=0A>Version: =0A 20= 12.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012 --435439028-1366730205-1338658900=:90499 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for all the = info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on and now me it only leaves Dennis= MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I mailed him today ........... via= this medium.
 
The Rig = I described it is capable of much higher power (depending upon output = FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's currently got 12v= olts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for the logic stages th= ey will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, limits the power to ar= ound 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate the supply to the PA and = get a lot more from the device I supose.
The output = goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer via a short c= oax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the "Top" of the transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon insulating washe= rs throught the wall and straight up  to the 8inch ribbed glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope= to a 24foot mast (soon to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long= earthing wires.
 
73 es GL Pete= M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk><= br> To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 20= 12, 17:19
Subject: Re:= LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

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Ok  Pete,
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These are all  the  decode= s  I have , I was using the  =0ASkanti  r5003  Rx = with    40 ft alloy =0Ascaffold  pole   vert= ical  , no  atu , only  =0Athe  pre-selector  in t= he  rx , fed vis  abt  90 feet =0Aof  rg213 coax
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=0A
Good  signal  for  10 watts = ; , just on the  =0Aedge  for the  qso  mode  , at=   -20 dB  minimum , =0Abut  15 watts  would  do&nb= sp; the  job !
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As I say  its&nbs= p; the  only  plug-and-play   =0Adata  mode  = , just plug in place of the  CW key  ( the  =0Adevelopment&n= bsp; was  based on the  racal  ma1723  , =0Ain  CW= mode at  20  wpm  as the maximum   =0Akeying = ; speed and  envelope  shape)
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73 -G.
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=0AFrom: M0FMT
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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = =0Adial
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Hi Graham
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Yes very pleased with it so far I w= ill change power soon trying to =0Amake up a PWM cct to have a continuously =0Avariable power = on the rig (GW3UEP) Class E Fet = O/P =0Astage Gate. PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actu= ally done =0Anothing to stop it....... = weird.
=0A
=0A
 I have o= nly just got my head around opera......  thought it was =0Aa linear mo= de but this makes sense for LF comms. much =0Amore like a CW transmission which I like.
=0A
 =
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Thanks for all the info on opera btw.
=0A
 =0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: Graham =0A<g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
<= b>To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org =0A
Sent: Saturda= y, 2 June 2012, =0A13:37
Subject:<= /span> Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial
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Wow   and that&nb= sp; was  just using the  Op  =0Aw/fall !  You  cou= ld  reduce to  2 watts   =0Aand  still  decod= e !  
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Glad the  system&nbs= p; is  working  for  you
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G= ..
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From: M0FMT
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Sent: Saturday, J= une 02, 2012 1:33 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon = on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial
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Thanks P= aul
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Graham is ri= ght about QRG.
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My PC keeps crashing so may go b= ack to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer =0A(not affected by RF) on the same QRG.= Thanks fer looking.
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: =0AGraham &= lt;g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =0A
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012, =0A13:12
Subject: Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

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could be&n= bsp;  503.275  ?   +/-   a =0Abit  !=0A
 
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From: Clemens Paul =0A
=0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
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Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial
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=0AWhat is the actual tx qrg then?
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73
Clemens
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Sent: =0A Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 P= M
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Subject: =0A LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX= dial
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Hi All

Please report my beacon= on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT<= br>
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--435439028-1366730205-1338658900=:90499-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C29D33800009F; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sinxr-0006Sn-P5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:38:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sinxr-0006Se-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:38:59 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sinxp-0002Cu-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:38:58 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5OEcuR6023543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:38:56 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5OEct3V009644 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:38:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE72612.3070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:37:06 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003f01cd5215$5690bf50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <003f01cd5215$5690bf50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton: > At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few are > listening or transmitting I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these days i think... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 69d86b33142413363dd56bd312139bf4 Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040202070108010800000206" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443722944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fe726b669ba X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040202070108010800000206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton: > At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few are > listening or transmitting I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these days i think... > even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for you, sri ;-) > Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have advantages. > Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all of > Germany would be calling. I'm not in Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, like in the last evenings. BTW i got several reports by email from people who aren't member of the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for home constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many newcomers on the band. We have to supply them by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned.. I'm going to play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to become a full size dipole for 630m :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC > de mal/g3kev --------------040202070108010800000206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton:
At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few are listening or transmitting
I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these days i think...

even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off
My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for you, sri ;-)

Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have advantages.
Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all of Germany would be calling.
I'm not in Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, like in the last evenings.

BTW i got several reports by email from people who aren't member of the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for home constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many newcomers on the band. We have to supply them by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned..
I'm going to play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to become a full size dipole for 630m :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


 
de mal/g3kev
 
--------------040202070108010800000206-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D2E5738000084; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 08:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skwlr-0006AG-V5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:27:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skwlr-0006A7-Da for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:27:27 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skwlp-0005fU-G9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:27:26 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5UCRNbi005892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:27:24 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5UCRKNZ018257 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:27:22 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEEF036.4020702@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:25:26 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <0F87F4C0AE524B1E9EA631C81D579573@gnat> <4FEE3A73.1090602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5UCRNbi005892 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jim, Thanks for your comments. Am 30.06.2012 10:14, schrieb James Moritz: > Dear Stefan, LF Group, > > The mechanical filter consists of an array of metal disks or rods > that are mechanically resonant near the centre frequency of the filter. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: ce0e5a4ae990e5a63db3ab7aea21191b Subject: Re: LF: Re: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:483840128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4feef1066054 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jim, Thanks for your comments. Am 30.06.2012 10:14, schrieb James Moritz: > Dear Stefan, LF Group, > > The mechanical filter consists of an array of metal disks or rods=20 > that are mechanically resonant near the centre frequency of the filter. So, is a microphone effect possible? > In order to convert the electrical input and output to/from =20 > mechanical vibration, there are transducers at the input and output,=20 > sometimes piezo-electric, but in this case probably magnetostrictive.=20 > These are a coil of wire wound around magnetic material which changes=20 > shape slightly depending on the magnetic flux. So electrically, the=20 > input and output of your filter are inductors - in order to get=20 > efficient transfer of signal power into the transducers and through=20 > the filter, they must be tuned to resonance, like any LC filter=20 > circuit. If they are not correctly tuned, little power from the=20 > mechanical resonators inside the filter will be coupled to the source=20 > and load, so the resonators will have very little damping, and the=20 > filter will have large peaks in the response, as you saw. Also, the=20 > insertion loss will be higher. The same type of behaviour with=20 > mis-matched loads occurs with almost any filter - LC, crystal,=20 > ceramic, cavity, etc. A similar effect occurs if one resonator is=20 > defective - in this case the mis-match occurs inside the filter. Thanks, that help to extend my understanding of such filters. > > You can probably use the input and output resonating capacitors to=20 > match your filter directly to 50R, using two capacitors in a series or=20 > shunt matching arrangement, like some have used for loop antennas. But=20 > buffer amlifiers might be needed to provide stable input and and=20 > output impedances for the filter, and provide some gain to compensate=20 > for the insertion loss. Good idea about the matching! So it is about like the input filter of=20 JA8SCD's LF converter:=20 http://icas.to/idc-136-kit/idc-136-kit-manual-eng.pdf (page 6 of 6). According to the data sheet, the insertion loss (Durchlassd=E4mpfung) is = <=20 2 dB. So if one uses a well matched 50 Ohm transmit antenna and a RX=20 with 50 Ohm input, i think no additional gain is needed. Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3636338000099; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SePxY-0008NS-8z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:12:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SePxX-0008NJ-KV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:12:31 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SePxV-0007M9-Ll for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:12:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5CCCQPg006114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:12:27 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5CCCQL2025625 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:12:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:10:49 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5CCCQPg006114 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jay, We still have no success in Jnue so if we want to get a full call detection in each month we have to find a suitable days soon. Well, all right about the DST stuff. However you know i simply like transmitting so i usually do not care about the condx. From time to time there is a surprise een in "bad" conds. Like yesterday! 4X1RF temporary started his grabber in Haifa and to my surprise we got very good results over that 2850km distance. About 25 dB S/N, see https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Juni2012.jpg Sure, crossing the pond is another story. Let's do it in the coming days :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 9d01e9df836df8dd3868645661e1c1f7 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473151520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194fd7326c7dbe X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jay, We still have no success in Jnue so if we want to get a full call=20 detection in each month we have to find a suitable days soon. Well, all right about the DST stuff. However you know i simply like=20 transmitting so i usually do not care about the condx. From time to time=20 there is a surprise een in "bad" conds. Like yesterday! 4X1RF temporary=20 started his grabber in Haifa and to my surprise we got very good results=20 over that 2850km distance. About 25 dB S/N, see=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Juni2012.jpg Sure, crossing the pond is another story. Let's do it in the coming days = :-) BTW what about your TX? Are you ready for a transmission? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 12.06.2012 12:12, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: > Sefan > > Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at=20 > 'disturbed' levels it is unlikely that I would have had reception of=20 > your signals. It might be a good idea to check=20 > http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html for=20 > the DST levels before an overnight T/A attempt. Generally speaking,=20 > condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or better for a=20 > couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th or 10th would=20 > have been better T/A nights. The big dip starting on the 10th is a=20 > problem. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 > > To: > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:09 PM > Subject: LF: Beacon to the west > > >> LF, >> >> Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night.=20 >> The TX is already on air... >> >> In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it=20 >> may be a bit difficult to become visible in TA. But who knows... >> >> At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for distances=20 >> below 3000 km. Probably because the area in darkness is small on the=20 >> northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away is attenuated. So=20 >> the distances within the first hop range may be a bit lower than in=20 >> winther but maybe the noise is even lower so S/N improvement of some=20 >> dB results. >> At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done=20 >> many tests and the radiated signal was even 3 dB stronger than a few=20 >> days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm thinking different=20 >> about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! >> >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C362738000084; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shqm8-0002j1-4l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:26:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shqm7-0002is-Ae for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:26:55 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shqm4-0005E7-JD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:26:54 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.63]) by mwinf5d19 with ME id RBSq1j0061MiB3W03BSqx2; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:26:51 +0200 Message-ID: <5D44E645126C4841A77C08064C39E92C@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> <6FDC0CECCC3645EB922AF21E66965518@AGB> <90E09B502D3D481992365586D42423DA@AGB> <5D772617FCC94283913EDABE7CB175FE@gnat> In-Reply-To: <5D772617FCC94283913EDABE7CB175FE@gnat> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:26:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: The folded back , open Box , is the most simple to try , the radial , is 90 feet long and 6 ft off the ground , earthed at the common point in the shed , open at the far end , so in terms of capacity ,it would be 2 wires , 10 ft apart , 25/30 feet long .......approaching the vertical section at 90 deg [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1f69f02351c5430deaaca656f6f75a0a Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01FC_01CD500D.B75BB510" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81645 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427412864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fe3ae061db2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01FC_01CD500D.B75BB510 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_01FD_01CD500D.B75BB510" ------=_NextPart_001_01FD_01CD500D.B75BB510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The folded back , open Box , is the most simple to try , the = radial , is 90 feet long and 6 ft off the ground , earthed at = the common point in the shed , open at the far end , so in terms = of capacity ,it would be 2 wires , 10 ft apart , 25/30 feet = long .......approaching the vertical section at 90 deg=20 Unfortunately, the house support is lower than the top of the = mast and the wire drops 30 deg or so down , I did have the = top section in a U shape , that did increase the level from = radio-mside , but the windage was high ..... wx still heavy rain, = so , rain stops play ! Tnx -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham, without measuring it I would not be sure. It is no good = trying to simulate this because these factors are not included in the = models. I think putting wies under one another is like folding the plate = of a cap back on itself. The total capacitance doesnt increase. Think of = the top-wire geometry as a skeleton (wire frame) of a parallel plate = capaitor with the other plate being ground (radials, ground wires, = whatever). My feeling based on my (and 136 friends) experiments suggest = that any drooping of the top will reduce the radiation resistance. = Whether this exceeds the effect of the increased capacitance is not = possible to esttimate. If you try it, and measure it, I would be very = interested in the results (never mind the theories.....show me the = measurements :-)) ) We only learn when somebody tries = something......Mike's top-loads, and Laurie's top capacity being great = examples of structures that did not, for a variety of reasons, show any = advantage in theoretical efficiency calculations.=20 There is little professional work, I know of, that could give = guidance.......the professionals don't (don't need!) use small aerials. = You cannot just "scale frequency" because many of the important factors = dont scale, or dont get included correctly in the scaling model. Alan.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:59 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? R Alan, Down to one of Mr Hobson's fine designs here , the under = slung wire , would be the simplest to arrange , say it ran 10 = ft above a 90 ft elevated ground radial , now would that xtra = C , increase the amp's in the vertical section , the other side = of the top coil ...? Other wise its ,just possible to run 90 deg about 20 feet , = 90 then down , at the far end =20 I tune using a swr meter , usually get a sharp dip with the = variometer , but I also have a old 1000 pf 4 gang clipped , = low over the auto transformer , that is handy , just takes the = final 'ref down and as its low , there is no flash over , bit = like a band-spread on a rx oscillator coil=20 Testing wise , luckily , I can reach the Delft web-sdr in the = day time , so can do s/n checks at range using ROS-MF-2 , = the s/n is the average along the time line , so quite accurate = Still raining =20 73 -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather here either :-(( The problem with unconventional "shapes" is you will have to just try = 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing ground loss as the most = effective use of time and effort. Best done by measurement, and not = urban myths :-)) Thats why I always plug a simple transformer coupled = bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges have never = worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also = like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-)) I feel = closer to the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, = even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I = learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" right. It is the classic = substitution measurement with passive references. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? R Alan. Horizontal spread ......missing at the moment ... will have = another look out side , when the rain stops , horizontal open = box may be possible ..just=20 Tnx -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter too much :-)) The thing is to get as much wire as high as possible. Yes fold it = back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 feet dont add much over a = single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce = the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly = the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) = will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to = increase the radiation resistance. Your diagram is difficult to read but running one of the wires = directly under another will be of no benefit and may be worse than not = having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at least = 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the idea. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: LF: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Any thoughts on the best configuration for the top wire ?? Tnx -G, ------=_NextPart_001_01FD_01CD500D.B75BB510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The  folded  back   , open  Box  , is = the  most  simple to  try , the  radial  , = is =20 90  feet long  and   6  ft  off  = the =20 ground , earthed  at the  common  point  in = the  shed ,=20 open at the  far  end , so  in terms  of =20 capacity  ,it would  be  2  wires  , 10 = ft =20 apart  , 25/30  feet long .......approaching  the =20 vertical  section  at   90 deg
 
Unfortunately, the  house  support  is  = lower =20 than the  top  of the  mast  and  the  = wire=20 drops    30 deg  or  so  down  , I = did  have=20 the  top  section  in a  U shape , that did  = increase=20 the  level  from  radio-mside  , but the  = windage =20 was  high .....  wx still  heavy  rain, so  ,=20 rain  stops  play !
 
Tnx -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:57 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham, without measuring it I would = not be=20 sure. It is no good trying to simulate this because these factors are = not=20 included in the models. I think putting wies under one another is like = folding=20 the plate of a cap back on itself. The total capacitance doesnt=20 increase. Think of the top-wire geometry as a skeleton (wire frame) = of a=20 parallel plate capaitor with the other plate being ground (radials, = ground=20 wires, whatever). My feeling based on my (and 136 friends) experiments = suggest=20 that any drooping of the top will reduce the radiation resistance. = Whether this=20 exceeds the effect of the increased capacitance is not possible to=20 esttimate. If you try it, and measure it, I would be very interested in = the=20 results (never mind the theories.....show me the measurements  = :-)) =20 ) We only learn when somebody tries something......Mike's = top-loads, and=20 Laurie's top capacity being great examples of structures that did not, = for a=20 variety of reasons, show any advantage in theoretical efficiency=20 calculations.
 
There is little professional work, I = know of, that=20 could give guidance.......the professionals don't (don't need!) use = small=20 aerials. You cannot just "scale frequency" because many of the important = factors=20 dont scale, or dont get included correctly in the=20 scaling model.
 
Alan. 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 9:59=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top = wire=20 config - Best Option ??

R Alan,
 
Down to   one of  Mr  Hobson's   = fine =20 designs  here ,   the  under slung   = wire =20 , would  be the  simplest to  arrange ,   = say =20 it  ran  10  ft  above  a  90  = ft =20 elevated  ground  radial  , now would =20 that  xtra  C  , increase the  amp's  in = the  vertical  section  , the  other  = side  of=20 the  top  coil ...?
 
Other  wise  its ,just possible  to  = run  90=20 deg  about   20 feet  , 90  then  down , = at=20 the  far  end 
 
I tune using  a  swr meter  , usually  get = a =20 sharp  dip  with the  variometer  , but  = I =20 also  have a  old   1000  pf   4 = gang=20 clipped  , low over the  auto  transformer , that  = is=20 handy , just  takes  the  final 'ref   = down =20 and  as its  low , there  is  no  flash  = over ,=20 bit  like a  band-spread on a  rx oscillator  coil =
 
Testing  wise , luckily  , I can  reach the  = Delft=20 web-sdr   in the  day  time  , so  = can =20 do  s/n  checks  at  range using =20 ROS-MF-2    , the  s/n  is the =20 average  along  the  time  line , so  = quite =20 accurate 
 
Still  raining 
 
73 -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:59 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial = weather here=20 either :-((
The problem with unconventional = "shapes" is you=20 will have to just try 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing = ground=20 loss as the most effective use of time and effort. Best done by = measurement,=20 and not urban myths :-))  Thats why I always plug a simple=20 transformer coupled bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, = noise=20 bridges have never worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC = stations close=20 by. I also like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing"=20 :-))  I feel closer to the problem and able to employ some skill = and=20 maybe dexterity, even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a=20 VNA......at least I learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" = right. It is=20 the classic substitution measurement with passive = references.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 6:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L = Top wire=20 config - Best Option ??

R Alan.
 
Horizontal  spread  ......missing  at the  = moment=20 ...  will  have  another  look  out =20 side  , when the  rain  stops ,  = horizontal  =20 open  box may  be  possible ..just
 
Tnx -G..

From: Alan=20 Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham it basically doesnt = matter too=20 much  :-))
The thing is to get as much wire as = high as=20 possible. Yes fold it back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 = feet=20 dont add much over a single wire. Drop the end if you have to but = remember=20 this may reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will = increase slightly the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped = ends=20 they are high voltage points and may not be "family friendly"=20 ...... doubling the capacity to ground ( note ground....not = lossy=20 roofs/foliage underneath) will probably halve you ground losses. It = will do=20 very little to increase the radiation resistance.
 
Your diagram is difficult to read = but running=20 one of the wires directly under another will be of no benefit and = may be=20 worse than not having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, = so pull=20 it at least 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you = get the=20 idea.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, = 2012 4:17=20 PM
Subject: LF: InV L Top wire = config -=20 Best Option ??

InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best = Option=20 ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  = configuration  for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
Tnx -G,
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, Thanks, interesting point. I can see that you are a member, but on my admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. Without this you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, etc. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: efdc09b6b31095aa2dc5c6d2552910d5 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c1d6e8fd7904c1b60421 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:511993728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m019.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b4fcdcd2b621f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8ff1c1d6e8fd7904c1b60421 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, Thanks, interesting point. I can see that you are a member, but on my admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. Without this you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, etc. I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a Yahoo ID, but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the formalities. 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton wrote: > ** > John > With my talktalk email account, I cannot access any of the options that > you specify. a Gmail account might be different > g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John Gould > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep > > Stefan, > > I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. > I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked O= K, > so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-ma= il > account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderator= s, > vote and then un-subscribe. > > I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the > other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer < > Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote: > >> Hi Clive, LF, >> >> For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo >> account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the >> pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that >> there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate i= n >> this process. >> >> My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. >> As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one ha= s >> to win and the other will be shut down after some time. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: >> >>> If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting >>> period ends. >>> >>> >> >> > --e89a8ff1c1d6e8fd7904c1b60421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, =A0

Thanks, interesting point. =A0I can see that yo= u are a member, but on my admin window I can see that you are missing a Yah= oo ID. =A0Without this you don't get all the web facilities, like acces= s to the poll, files, etc. =A0

I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself b= y creating a Yahoo ID, but if not I can initiate a request for you to compl= ete the formalities. =A0

73 John, G3WKL


On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
With my talktalk email account, =A0I cannot acces= s any=20 of the options that you specify. a Gmail account might be different<= /div>
g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Monda= y, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep

Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo acc= ount.=20 =A0I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that wo= rked=20 OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg= =20 e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the=20 moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =A0

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a po= ll on the=20 other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =A0

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:<= br>
Hi=20 Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but witho= ut=20 having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is=20 advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for = such=20 facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to=20 codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep and i w= ould=20 agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not tr= eated=20 like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down = after=20 some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb = Clive=20 Lorton:
If=20 you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting p= eriod=20 ends.
=A0=20


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--e89a8ff1c1d6e8fd7904c1b60421-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 967123800008C; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjSiu-0004Sp-SJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:10:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjSiu-0004Sg-8Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:10:16 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjSir-0002ID-Fw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:10:15 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8KAFCK6U9cF/ft/2dsb2JhbABEtAl0A4EqgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDJQEjAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh34HuSGLMxuBBIRlA41MiHeOcYJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,477,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="390989291" Received: from host-92-23-247-237.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.247.237]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2012 11:10:11 +0100 Message-ID: <005801cd5383$dd63d160$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE8E412.5000909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <9B92E5E758664934B13502459785E3F5@AGB> <4FE8F02F.2030304@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:10:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan I have calculated that I need 150 mH loading coil for 9 Khz. I have already resonated the antenna using some ferrite core inductors and can hear it singing at 9 khz with the low power signal generator. I have started a big TX coil but need to finish it. I can RX well on the band. [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: d63ea50e288c5ecb9bd7a86eeabe94f2 Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484039904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cd4fe98abb5396 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan I have calculated that I need 150 mH loading coil for 9 Khz. I have already resonated the antenna using some ferrite core inductors and can hear it singing at 9 khz with the low power signal generator. I have started a big TX coil but need to finish it. I can RX well on the band. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Yes, in any way it would be nice again to put some focus on VLF. It's a long time ago i regularly monitored my own VLF grabber (http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html). Looks like SAQ has tuned up today for a time arround 10 UTC. The Alphas are OFF again and the noise is maybe 10 dB higher than in winther, as a maximum. I do not change the brightness between summer and winther. Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? How long does it take to get a full decode in that mode and what is the content of the decoded message? If 4 H means 4 hours and the content is a full callsign and locator (about like in WOLF) then maybe it can be compared with DFCW-120? If so, i guess the range of a 1 mW ERP station will be below 100 km, if conds are good (i.e. no QRN and during the gap in the morning which is arround 8...11 UTC) and the RX is is typical. We know that no digimode can do miracles. However we often saw stations just transmitting a few dashes. If these dashes will satisfy all, it would be fine. Due to other projects (ah, i remember, it was the LF DX to VK times) i stopped the local VLF experiments with the LOPT transformer. Also is showed me that there is no real alternative to an air coil if a serious ERP is goal. That was clear in advance but the proof was clearer than i thought. As i write these lines, a small VLF flame starts to burn again. But there is the MF project on the table as well... What about all the other VLF transmitting stations? We have been 7 (OK2BVG, OE3GHB, DF6NM, G3XIZ, DJ8WX, OE5ODL, PA3CPM, DK7FC) who passed distances above 1 Lambda. Did i forget someone? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.06.2012 00:39, schrieb Graham: > Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of > the UK as well ! > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stefan Schfer" > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > >> Mal, >> >> Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: >>> Stefan >>> This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the >>> Dreamers band. >> Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due >> to your higher antenna C and mains availability. >> You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. >> >>> I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with >>> other >>> persuits at present. >>> >> Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large >> tube. 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul >> Nicholsons grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very >> helpful for the first tests! >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Stefan Schfer" >>> To: >>> Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM >>> Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >>> >>> >>> >>>> VLF, >>>> >>>> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >>>> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >>>> Darmstadt, >>>> http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run >>>> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >>>> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >>>> earthquake precursors. >>>> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced >>>> him to >>>> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He >>>> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU >>>> resources >>>> for that at the moment though. >>>> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >>>> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it >>>> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even >>>> in summer. >>>> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF >>>> event. >>>> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June >>>> 2012 >>>> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to >>>> extend it. >>>> >>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>> >>>> >>> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9C28538000090; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 07:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbVvf-0002jI-6t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:58:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbVve-0002j5-QN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:58:34 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbVvd-0006Ia-20 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:58:33 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApgFADCizE9cF/Mu/2dsb2JhbABEg0GbEQOVUIEIgg8EFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEGAR05AQQaBiQdAQICAQGHfpVPoFGRIQOIDYUwl1SCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,712,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="374254076" Received: from host-92-23-243-46.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.243.46]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 12:58:31 +0100 Message-ID: <008d01cd4249$5bfdd4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:58:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Voting qualifications Those amateurs active currently on MF es LF get 5 votes for each band. Lurkers, Dreamers, Fence sitters and Grazers 1 vote This would encourage non communicators to become active prompto !! Let us have your observations de G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: VOTE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4249.5BC49C70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:397962880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fcca3130cae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4249.5BC49C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Voting qualifications Those amateurs active currently on MF es LF get 5 votes for each band. = Lurkers, Dreamers, Fence sitters and Grazers 1 vote=20 This would encourage non communicators to become active prompto !! 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Voting qualifications
 
Those amateurs active currently on MF es LF get = 5 votes=20 for each band. Lurkers, Dreamers, Fence sitters and Grazers 1 vote =
This would encourage non communicators to become = active=20 prompto !!
Let us have your observations
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4249.5BC49C70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 956953800008D; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SinLL-0005kf-Sy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:59:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SinLL-0005kW-5U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:59:11 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SinLI-0001vv-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:59:10 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5ODx7lw015965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:59:07 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5ODx7WZ008384 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:59:07 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE71CBD.9070006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:57:17 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5ODx7lw015965 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Probably, if Warren wants to have replacement parts for his transmit loop tuner, then he will need parts of another league. 4 kV is nothing as well as 10 A RF current in a loop is nothing :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492424736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fe71d7b54a3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Probably, if Warren wants to have replacement parts for his transmit=20 loop tuner, then he will need parts of another league. 4 kV is nothing=20 as well as 10 A RF current in a loop is nothing :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 24.06.2012 14:00, schrieb Clemens Paul: > Hi Warren, > > perhaps you might might find something suitable there: > http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm > > They have - among other stuff - split stator cap. kits up to > 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). > =20 > > You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator=20 > capacitor, > so you maybe could realize other values. > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: "rsgb_lf_group" > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM > Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? > > > Hello the list, > Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester > which now has taken over Jackson Bros? > I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced > link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... > > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > ----- > E-Mail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5088 - Ausgabedatum:=20 > 23.06.2012 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB0D0380000B2; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaDPc-00086W-8r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:00:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaDPb-00086N-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:00:07 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaDPZ-0006Dv-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:00:06 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApYBAJzox09OlnXn/2dsb2JhbAANN4VNr2QBAYIHAQEBAQMjDwEFEUALCQgDAQEBAQICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgE9CBMGAgEBiBKmJZI6gSOJboIwggSBEgOVGJJU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,694,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="373974864" Received: from host-78-150-117-231.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.2.7]) ([78.150.117.231]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 31 May 2012 23:00:02 +0100 Message-ID: <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:00:01 +0100 From: g3zjo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> In-Reply-To: <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Only White Noise is improved by this! Eddie On 31/05/2012 22:40, Graham wrote: > Or for a better s/n > > http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/digital_ariel.htm > > > From: "g3zjo" > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:30 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Ae! > >> Stefan >> >> Make sure you spell it right, this is an ariel. >> >> http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQnrLFNatuXR7AMQYpG5BlXGhR25FCsu79eMpQz0xxeY-9zKKxjgw >> >> >> Eddie >> >> On 31/05/2012 21:00, Stefan Schäfer wrote: >>> Hmm, maybe someone from the UK can explain the difference between >>> aerial and antenna? Is there a difference? >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5036 - Release Date: >>> 05/31/12 >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5036 - Release Date: 05/31/12 > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: Re: LF: Ae! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460385856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84fc7ea254484 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Only White Noise is improved by this! Eddie On 31/05/2012 22:40, Graham wrote: > Or for a better s/n > > http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/digital_ariel.htm > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "g3zjo" > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:30 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Ae! > >> Stefan >> >> Make sure you spell it right, this is an ariel. >> >> http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQnrLFNatuXR7AMQYpG5BlXGhR25FCsu79eMpQz0xxeY-9zKKxjgw >> >> >> Eddie >> >> On 31/05/2012 21:00, Stefan Schäfer wrote: >>> Hmm, maybe someone from the UK can explain the difference between >>> aerial and antenna? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported before. John, I cannot vote either. For what it is worth: my vote goes to keeping both reflectors. I can understand that that people do not one to participate in one of them, but that should be no reason for shutting down the other one. 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John, I cannot vote either. For what it is worth: my vote goes to keeping both reflectors. I can understand that that people do not one to participate in one of them,= but that should be no reason for shutting down the other one. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C687D8DICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry that y= ou weren't able to vote - v= ery odd - not had that repo= rted before.


John,
 
I cannot vote either.<= /font>
For what it is worth:&= nbsp;my vote goes to keeping&nbs= p;both reflectors.
I can understand that=  that people do not one= to participate in one of them, but<= /a> that should be no = reason for shutting down the other one.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T<= /div>
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello LF, I apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was already largely debated here. I have seven of those quite known russian surplus ferrite rods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun - I'm planning to spend some time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF and/or LF-MF, suitable for outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some suggestions about is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? I found an unused 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be effectively chosen as the active device (low voltage) for such amplifier? [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.214 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1740643075-1975391380-1340350943=:68546" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:410484768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-a403.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fe4223a4df0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1740643075-1975391380-1340350943=:68546 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF,=0A=A0=0AI apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was alre= ady largely debated here. I have seven of those=A0quite known russian surpl= us ferrite rods (20cm x 1cm) and -=A0just for my fun - I'm planning to spen= d some time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain = a=A0broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF=A0and/or LF-MF, suitable fo= r outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some suggestions about i= s the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in air-core b= roadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? I found an unus= ed 12AU7 in=A0my drawer, could=A0it be effectively=A0chosen as the active d= evice (low voltage)=A0for=A0such amplifier?=0A=0AThank you for any feedback= =0A73=0ADaniele IZ5WWB ---1740643075-1975391380-1340350943=:68546 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hell= o LF,
 
I apologize to you all for resuming a topi= c that was already largely debated here. I have seven of those quite k= nown russian surplus ferrite rods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun -= I'm planning to spend some time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I = would like to obtain a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF&nbs= p;and/or LF-MF, suitable for outdoor installation, so what I would apprecia= te some suggestions about is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar = to those used in air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course.= Any ideas? I found an unused 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be eff= ectively chosen as the active device (low voltage) for such = amplifier?
Thank you for any feedback
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 
---1740643075-1975391380-1340350943=:68546-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 611D038000082; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SanWi-0006tU-TK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:33:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SanWi-0006tL-Bf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:33:52 +0100 Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.197]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SanWf-0005PE-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:33:51 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 12:33:49 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.121] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 12:33:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 12:33:49 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 64682.75286.bm@omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92418 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2012 12:33:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338640428; bh=7uDNSlT/utbJc3MwnAzGiUAvjELDvU45Ne1JM3YzH34=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qY4I4ZCsWIkMhj2nu2i/H1+nY2BvGY8QUvCNFKnqJERam5Sdjiii9hFEHnlBYty0Z6/OA69GnxXDu4PgSfgbmOptJNqrgCyXU71UBlLZ/cv1+GS6GnHx40SeCzYss5P2cuhAYWq1+iMPtMqkVGHv1oDzXuA3uDTrAE0HQyghQyU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AYh5HzLTHGjuooYjuJYSxCX1f5q+cQmXMGFP8+CjZFSmThVQuyzueCUWS3ZMsAIxpSr3TvY9vNTRNNrt1LpU2g11MJvp7LSFjsBHs1w/0VK3ciHjVlN/ta3HMWHEJs/7BaZK7Vsuv1izGhMxho5U8o1e7UUt/AEB29GlGYc4U0s=; X-YMail-OSG: 6swqSDYVM1mlWW.4tFC5jgD9KktLY_aD1avTwZRubB_yHEw jFG1HEfrFAef88ZwcFZSr5noZ7D1NvqZqsChE8ZbxZ94Dme7TO5jzOeh56NG ZXFw.C6kqEHV713BT2CYE_Lv644KrgTNaeq7fEGmkhprvum5dgWy1y2M9fRe fl7zkRvLfm2ybTuZR1xBrPwpJ8u6kCzhdDAX.misSMmLscZShCGvK.Z0gcas 4kkxxRhVu4o_Bj9WaSUBG_1xpHCnEGm04bbN_ElcySYscL5v3DQ4Ddovtkm4 KNUc7fAcWqk8D.WZMUFggs_2XKdd8wORnNJ90BYDij5t6YJSwYoygLfT7Fi7 Ahq5pwRGkVmT3dOzx1.dWOsoqXjuN6_XYDiNCvNI3T_pkrzDEI_YyZ.3wQvE UZctA03wO2jepb.yCCzDapggUyckpIeCTuuMVPInyLgPjGIPFkrxRmNBENAw 0zhyVEbcPKLsKRTE1FZ.F8N.If8ugRY5H Received: from [86.164.62.42] by web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:33:48 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Message-ID: <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:33:48 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks Paul Graham is right about QRG. My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.197 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 21e2055b299bd63ed331c37c8a3e15ca Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1386533404-1023251917-1338640428=:47967" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470182368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4fca086171a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1386533404-1023251917-1338640428=:47967 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Paul=0A=A0=0AGraham is right about QRG.=0A=A0=0AMy PC keeps crashing= so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer (not affected by RF) on the = same QRG. Thanks fer looking.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_____= ___________________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12=0ASubje= ct: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A =0A=0A =0Acould be=A0= =A0 503.275=A0 ?=A0=A0 +/-=A0=A0 a =0Abit=A0 ! =0A=0AG. =0A=0A =0AFrom: Cle= mens Paul =0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org =0ACc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk =0ASubject: LF: Re: = beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A =0A>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting = =0A=A0 =0AWhat is the actual tx qrg then? =0AJust for exactly looking if th= e signal is visible at =0Aall. =0A=A0 =0A73=0AClemens=0ADL4RAJ =0A----- Ori= ginal Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM =0A>Subject: LF: beacon on 501.= 59kc/s USB RX dial =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Please report my beacon on 5= 01.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.=0A>=0A>73 Pete FMT=0A> = =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>_____________________________= ___=0A>=A0 =0A>E-Mail ist virenfrei.=0A>Von AVG =0A =FCberpr=FCft - www.a= vg.de=0A>Version: 2012.0.2178 =0A / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedat= um: 01.06.2012 --1386533404-1023251917-1338640428=:47967 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Graham is right about QRG.
 
My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer = (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking.
<= div>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc= /s USB RX dial

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Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting.= Temporary QRG.

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--1386533404-1023251917-1338640428=:47967-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA4BB380000B2; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scgi6-0003bD-Ku for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:41:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scgi6-0003b4-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:41:26 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scgi4-0003K0-8x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:41:25 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmEJABvn0E9cHYyS/2dsb2JhbABFiX2ocwSBLIEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQNJAg0ZBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBAQklFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh3UJB7kOix1Egi+DGQONPZdagmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,732,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="393762280" Received: from host-92-29-140-146.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.146]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 18:41:22 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01cd44d4$c0f3efa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD0DCF4.7020406@legal-medicine.de> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 17:41:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The trouble is that he cannot hear anything. It is a one way street. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:509136288:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fd0e7f94cbb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none The trouble is that he cannot hear anything. It is a one way street. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > Hi Stefan, > > You wrote: > >... > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. > > ... > > Horrible strong here at Kiel, 54N/10E. > Up to 30dB above noise... > > Rig: INA111 balanced E-field probe, 2x30cm, > Homebrewed downconverter to baseband. > > Screenshot there: > http://www.df3lp.de/misc/DK7FC_2012-06-07_16:39s.png > > Peter, df3lp > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3BBB0380000FF; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbbkr-0006g4-N7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:11:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbbkr-0006fv-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:11:49 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbbko-00081Y-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:11:47 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFAIz5zE9cF/ub/2dsb2JhbABFnlQDlVaBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQoDCRkUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQENh18DD60KDYlOijFgGoJUgyIDiA2FMJdUgmCBX4E+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,714,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="393352461" Received: from host-92-23-251-155.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.251.155]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 19:11:45 +0100 Message-ID: <016101cd427d$7f76f4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net><4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de><4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net><77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk><517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk><4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:11:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John With my talktalk email account, I cannot access any of the options that you specify. a Gmail account might be different g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: fce77e88417377663dedf94f027ec622 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015E_01CD427D.7F400660" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:510667552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554fccfa913955 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015E_01CD427D.7F400660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John With my talktalk email account, I cannot access any of the options that = you specify. a Gmail account might be different g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Stefan, I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo = account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and = that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised = by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =20 I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on = the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =20 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer = wrote: Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a = yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging = the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts = that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to = codeterminate in this process. My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group = compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, = where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting period ends. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_015E_01CD427D.7F400660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
With my talktalk email account,  I cannot = access any=20 of the options that you specify. a Gmail account might be = different
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black = Sheep

Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo = account.=20  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that = worked=20 OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your = Heidelberg=20 e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the = moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a = poll on the=20 other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> = wrote:
Hi=20 Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but = without=20 having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is = advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind = for such=20 facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to=20 codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep and = i would=20 agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not = treated=20 like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut = down after=20 some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, = schrieb Clive=20 Lorton:
If=20 you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting period=20 ends.
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------=_NextPart_000_015E_01CD427D.7F400660-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3F1223800009C; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd8RP-0003BB-Bi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:18:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd8RO-0003B2-SW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:18:02 +0100 Received: from smtp13.mail.ru ([94.100.176.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd8RN-0001cI-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:18:01 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=mail.ru Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:References:To:From:Message-ID; bh=0O8u7W9uqPiYj/3wrh3wkkr4kXLSfx7ZG2umVRnCkAs=; b=mglm8CYrB7s3g7sgndNJPF3IolP9JDAZ3QHQOMhtGeo8PzLwTQg0zeiVtIkAWRC7IZS64GnIQ3rCW84jF5LA0ON4dQbBn3tQumL959muqrmRp4UwNlf8TJe9n0UC+Kvj; Received: from [79.98.8.29] (port=1432 helo=EFREMOV) by smtp13.mail.ru with esmtpa (envelope-from ) id 1Sd8RK-0008Fk-Km for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 03:17:59 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <003501cd45cc$eadbca10$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CF13DA2999C95F-250-7AFD@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> <001701cd45c6$e3bfee60$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <8CF13DF5AA6BDA8-250-7CC1@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 03:16:49 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD45EE.4EE8E030" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81366 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:477913312:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m015.1 ; domain : mail.ru DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61874fd288734d33 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD45EE.4EE8E030 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Markus, Excellent propagation! Your signal 10-12 db, Stefan ~20 db (audible)! Opera: 22:29 136 PA0WMR Op8 -30 dB 73 Andrey Andrey, thanks for the nice report! 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Walter, 1W output means abt 0.006W ERP. what a difference to your 1W ERP! GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 19:10 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 54c274b8b0f8da777e8f702c98fe24ad Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----16789A2E3A3943A7BD14ADB634F4BEA2" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:491007808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fec93df4f2c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------16789A2E3A3943A7BD14ADB634F4BEA2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Walter, 1W output means abt 0=2E006W ERP=2E what a difference to your 1W ERP! GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 19:10 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Uwe, DJ2LF and DK6NI do not use more than 1W ERP=2E Maybe your QTH has = lower noise than ours here near Erlangen=2E=20 We will meet - i am sure=2E But sri=2E=20 73=A0=A0 Walter DJ2LF=20 ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail=2Ede =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg =20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:03 PM=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=20 Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid=2E all 599 in jo43sv=2E the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6=2E25 sq m tuned to 475kHz=2E the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn=2E so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient=2E GL Uwe/dj89wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 06:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC If=A0someone is=A0interested i=A0may=A0convert the circuit=A0from=A0my=A0= mind=A0into a schematic as a=A0png file=2E=20 Always=A0interested ;-)=20 73, Rik=A0=A0ON7YD - OR7T ------16789A2E3A3943A7BD14ADB634F4BEA2 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = --_bfd5e521-84c0-4701-bb79-78a5376248c4_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 62A24380000A4; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkCBJ-0005F1-7f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:42:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkCBI-0005Es-Ok for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:42:36 +0100 Received: from nm24-vm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.109.194]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkCBG-0000c0-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:42:35 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm24.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 10:42:33 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.225] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 10:42:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 10:42:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 771001.59184.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 61299 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2012 10:42:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=KgxRrVXhIo5OwgHvYMhm+MlX5es69NWtcd5imr0WC81mCmq8d3x+NAg0EgZj0c5Mpskx3oL7Lw/oD3HIYPkwNP+udFUqGE4s+9a7Q1al2P6zfO4XS5Olq2RoTaHkhxAU1eQMzvQn16QgtqC4k8fhaFPW7z3zIj8gXJDeJ7bwi64= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1340880153; bh=5Musi6LJSWvfCmFbKRD5kljG2Z/ydhi/JsJGVnBYbME=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=Va2J57OrGeilQ0+1UU46ARs7/ibVKEfrYbB3aHc3ueJ6tbtqOYcnbSUNy8q5N/+WPzLIWdVUpV8+uwRgy0g5LqIK8L4cmF0mp7CkNNMlpOl8TzqxtlCPd6NqStju12bAnLhcXv3gkhAmZXvVL1Hv3cFT4QrVihtKeT7oeE64p5k= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: QL0JpvwVM1mK6c8A56XQhFBrmEdDpF9bR6y1zqdY1ul8Lai WLtQ4vcE41ANyRztujytrZ6tEByU_P9njxnuyk7jd.Y3KfBcSrBm3_r3Ku2R DowOLR535ac8_PiTiZOLcyRptAC3sPczYAHARjF4HNzOJnzYQaxF5LAJGZjo gvYQH4yo3r2yDQsmzmHj6lPrVz5E9Iu89NfYSInTRDbKmrFCfzX1wxBRN7s3 y69Rj8xSkuxhTSUwuUhyzgqoTcCOMoQF2gAUByhZp_cPDH.dK0mtHidKkhSo JBay8gxdmsl.pOM4RmNOeAJqXUzaPvCyddfHAs8z0OET3cy.n6ZolyVvSz7R Q.7QwZTah5F.gsVWtqjJ0hwfbkxn1KsEDMATI0PIcT4kxXfgqM.8xA7OC4wh H2jeMAKxHTh0W_CnqxVrPvNvCxZGo21Xw_pTf.w2VWekb9Epa.y4vgfRqTwK EMCYwesiES6sEMIUZvlB4gOlEW4YQY8NHj9LU8tJ3Nn9F4t6zVAUjLVpNPvy p.40RNnins84iDU.0OJYiQQaPP7Qw3lezrrjPOA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- Received: from lindavideo (ken.h.wright@86.173.47.194 with login) by smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2012 03:42:33 -0700 PDT From: "Ken" To: References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:42:29 +0100 Message-ID: <3B8FD55FDE7A402F9D1C33B7FEF92C09@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1UtUnxEyZctzULQ1Kh7FZahYfnzgAZS+bg In-Reply-To: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Would be much appreciated. Ken M0KHW [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.194 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:449425248:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m418.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fec355676d8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Would be much appreciated. Ken M0KHW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Stefan = Sch=E4fer Sent: 27 June 2012 23:33 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC MF, For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that=20 operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX = can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input power=20 must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can be=20 switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output = impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is not so=20 critical, Z=3DR may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The FETs are=20 IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer uses RF litz=20 wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort for optimising=20 the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW QSO or longer calls = at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate)=20 becomes hand warm. The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF power. = The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this = measurement. If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a=20 schematic as a png file. 73, Stefan/DK7FC https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.= JPG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8C3DB38000095; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUj3-0005GS-0Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:18:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUj2-0005GE-Jn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:18:32 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjUj0-0005V5-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:18:31 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5QCITcN010712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:18:29 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QCISRQ010797 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:18:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE9A825.2060607@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:16:37 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> In-Reply-To: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Niels, Are you QRV this evening? I am QRV in CW on 472 kHz as well. I would like to try today, maybe 21 UTC or so? Looking forward to hear and see my first station from OZ below 1 MHz! 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: Re: LF: 472khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050206010201090802070206" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:432127808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fe9a8c22b67 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050206010201090802070206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niels, Are you QRV this evening? I am QRV in CW on 472 kHz as well. I would like to try today, maybe 21 UTC or so? Looking forward to hear and see my first station from OZ below 1 MHz! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.06.2012 12:15, schrieb Niels Rask: > now i got my permission to 472-479 khz . am qrv on cw > de oz7foc/niels --------------050206010201090802070206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niels,

Are you QRV this evening? I am QRV in CW on 472 kHz as well. I would like to try today, maybe 21 UTC or so?
Looking forward to hear and see my first station from OZ below 1 MHz!

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 26.06.2012 12:15, schrieb Niels Rask:
now i got my permission to 472-479 khz . am qrv on cw
de oz7foc/niels
--------------050206010201090802070206-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 25D3238000065; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaZCu-0003me-20 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:16:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaZCt-0003mV-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:16:27 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaZCr-0003Hj-0G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:16:26 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.185]) by cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:16:24 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.5]) by cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:16:23 +0200 Received: from Extensa ([195.241.183.120]) by CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:16:23 +0200 Message-ID: <435D293248114658AC53DFB8A3C50493@Extensa> From: "PA1SDB, Peter" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7F143.7080106@psk31.plus.com> <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> <4FC921C8.9010705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FC921C8.9010705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:16:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18645 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2012 21:16:23.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC2A1310:01CD403B] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, I use version 2.77 b13 here. I ask it, just to be sure all 4 Spectrum labs are not pulling the SR individual into a other direction... Sometimes happpens something similar at my job when a cable reel starts rolling and a colleague wants to slow it down and the other just wants him rol quicker. They go grumbling to each other.... :-) [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.14 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: Re: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459726656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4fc931780a2d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan, I use version 2.77 b13 here. I ask it, just to be sure all 4 Spectrum labs are not pulling the SR individual into a other direction... Sometimes happpens something similar at my job when a cable reel starts rolling and a colleague wants to slow it down and the other just wants him rol quicker. They go grumbling to each other.... :-) O.T.: Not 100% the same, but I think these 2 cable install engineers did start grumbling to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNdxVAdz0KY :-) 73's, Peter - PA1SDB www.qsl.net/pa1sdb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. > Hi Peter, > > I'm not sure if there are new versions that do the job in one instance. But normally you need the sample rate detector in each SL > instance separately. > > What version are you using? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 01.06.2012 20:50, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: >> Hello... >> >> I was wondering the following: >> >> I have here 4x Spectrum Lab task running at one PC to serve my SUB9KHz grabber page at www.qsl.net/pa1sdb >> I use that Sampling Rate detector in all 4 Spectrum Lab tasks. >> Is that OK, or need I only one Sampling Rate detector that callibrates the other 3 tasks to ? >> (one master - 3 clients without that SR cal active) >> >> 73's Peter - PA1SDB >> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 37C48380001CF; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd1HS-0000F1-EH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:39:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd1HR-0000Eq-VH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:39:17 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd1HQ-0008Eu-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:39:16 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag4FAC0c0k9cF/6o/2dsb2JhbABFnnYDjyeGMIEIghMRAwEBA0kCIQsCCAIBBgECGQInEgECAQEaBiQZBAECAgEBh365IJEmA4gNhTF6gR6VQ4Jg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,377,1336345200"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="388820444" Received: from host-92-23-254-168.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.168]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Jun 2012 16:39:12 +0100 Message-ID: <001301cd458c$d9c61db0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:39:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: All, No pros and cons, just a few words from an OM. I know the Reflector is slow and some times has small problems but I am used to it and see no major reason for this sudden change. 73, Albert PA0A [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.33 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7b4dbd93955117b98f3a6ac4d7602f88 Subject: LF: BS Reflector status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:346707520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fcb542b553f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none All, No pros and cons, just a few words from an OM. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham Yes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon trying to make up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable power on the rig (GW3UEP) Class E Fet O/P stage Gate. PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actually done nothing to stop it....... weird. I have only just got my head around opera...... thought it was a linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW transmission which I like. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.132 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: fce77e88417377663dedf94f027ec622 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1507048413-623648149-1338641975=:19311" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:456509088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d008.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fca0e700f8f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1507048413-623648149-1338641975=:19311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham=0A=A0=0AYes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon = trying to make up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable power on the ri= g (GW3UEP) Class E Fet O/P stage Gate. PC not crashed .... wait for it! ...= . for a bit now actually done nothing to stop it....... weird.=0A=A0I have = only just got my head around opera...... =A0thought it was a linear mode bu= t this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW transmission which I l= ike.=0A=0AThanks for all the info on opera btw.=0A=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT= IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 Jun= e 2012, 13:37=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A = =0A=0AWow=A0=A0 and that=A0 was=A0 just using the=A0 Op=A0 =0Aw/fall !=A0 Y= ou=A0 could=A0 reduce to=A0 2 watts=A0=A0 =0Aand=A0 still=A0 decode !=A0=A0= =0A=0AGlad the=A0 system=A0 is=A0 working=A0 for=A0 you =0A=0AG.. =0A= =0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = =0Adial =0A =0AThanks Paul =0A=A0 =0AGraham is right about QRG. =0A=A0 =0AM= y PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer =0A(not a= ffected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking.=0A =0A73 es GL Pete M0F= MT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 Ju= ne 2012, =0A13:12=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dia= l=0A=0A=0A =0Acould be=A0=A0 503.275=A0 ?=A0=A0 +/-=A0=A0 a =0Abit=A0 ! =0A= =0AG. =0A=0A =0AFrom: Clemens Paul =0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 = PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ACc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co= .uk =0ASubject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A =0A>on 501.59= kc/s USB RX dial setting =0A=A0 =0AWhat is the actual tx qrg then? =0AJust = for exactly looking if the signal is visible at =0Aall. =0A=A0 =0A73=0AClem= ens=0ADL4RAJ =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM =0A>Su= bject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Plea= se report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.= =0A>=0A>73 Pete FMT=0A> =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>____= ____________________________=0A>=A0 =0A>E-Mail ist virenfrei.=0A>Von AVG = =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de=0A>Version: =0A 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2= 425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012 --1507048413-623648149-1338641975=:19311 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Walter,
1W output means abt 0=2E006W ERP=2E
what a difference to your 1W ERP!
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 19:10
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Uwe, DJ2LF an= d DK6NI do not use more than 1W ERP=2E Maybe your QTH has lower noise than ours here near Erlangen=2E
We will meet = - i am sure=2E But sri=2E
73  = ; Walter DJ2LF
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June = 28, 2012 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: = 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi all,
last two nights on the air:
oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid=2E all 599 in jo43sv=2E

the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6=2E25 sq m tuned to 475kHz=2E

the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn=2E

so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient=2E

GL
Uwe/dj89wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 06:35
An: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file=2E

 <= /p>

Always in= terested ;-)

 <= /p>

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

------16789A2E3A3943A7BD14ADB634F4BEA2-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7EAA93800008F; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdJuY-0007Jv-1h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:32:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdJuX-0007Jm-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:32:53 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.190.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdJuV-0004D4-OH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:32:52 +0100 Received: from BAY154-W32 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 9 Jun 2012 04:32:48 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [81.200.63.88] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: _RSGB_LF Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:32:48 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007201cd4624$74740560$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: ,<007201cd4624$74740560$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2012 11:32:48.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[98C77FA0:01CD4633] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mal, LF!I tried to hear your signal, but sorry, I was not successful. There is lots of QRM from beacon from Budapest near the frequency. Well ... may be at some other times. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG From: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:44:24 +0000 Subject: LF: Re: DK7FC_in_JN88KS [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.54.190.23 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (bvgbob[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fbdd513523001863775249cfaf215eac Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bfd5e521-84c0-4701-bb79-78a5376248c4_" Subject: RE: LF: Re: DK7FC_in_JN88KS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:500375936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fd334a4144b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_bfd5e521-84c0-4701-bb79-78a5376248c4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal=2C LF!I tried to hear your signal=2C but sorry=2C I was not succe= ssful. There is lots of QRM from beacon from Budapest near the frequency. W= ell ... may be at some other times. 73! Lubos=2C OK2BVG From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat=2C 9 Jun 2012 09:44:24 +0000 Subject: LF: Re: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Hi Lubos I think this is a BEACON field day=2C no QSO'S are=20 taking place. Can you hear me on 136.5 cw and if so pse call also xband=20 7033 cw 73 de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Lubos OK2BVG=20 =20 To: _RSGB_LF=20 Sent: Saturday=2C June 09=2C 2012 9:38=20 AM Subject: LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS =20 Hello Stefan=2C LF! I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good=2C S/N more= =20 than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-) RST =3D 599 UFB =20 73! =20 Lubos=2C OK2BVG=2C JN88KS =20 = --_bfd5e521-84c0-4701-bb79-78a5376248c4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Mal=2C LF!
I tried to hear your signal=2C but sorry=2C I was not = successful. There is lots of QRM from beacon from Budapest near the frequen= cy. Well ... may be at some other times.

73!

Lubos=2C OK2BVG

From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org
Date: Sat=2C 9 Jun 2012 09:44:24 +0000
Subject: LF: Re: DK7FC_= in_JN88KS

Hi Lubos
I think this is a BEACON field day=2C = no QSO'S are=20 taking place. Can you hear me on 136.5 cw and if so pse call also xband=20 7033
cw
73 de mal/g3kev
 =3B
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lubos = OK2BVG=20
Sent: Saturday=2C June 09=2C 2012 9= :38=20 AM
Subject: LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS

Hello Stefan=2C LF!
I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good=2C S/N = more=20 than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-)
RST =3D 599 UFB

73!

Lubos=2C OK2BVG=2C JN88KS

=
 




------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD532B.96A61BA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2E52C380000F3; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkGaN-0006di-Ub for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:24:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkGaL-0006dZ-Hy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:24:45 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkGaJ-0003KZ-DR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:24:44 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5SFOgRj009465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:24:42 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5SFOg5N001607 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:24:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEC76C8.9040700@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:22:48 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1474092.1340466836144.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1340474829.4474.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340892687.85075.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340892873.80692.YahooMailNeo@web29505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4FEC7008.9010001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEC7008.9010001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: PS: For a 50 Ohm output, just 2 or 3 turns on the out-coupling winding was the best choice for my ferrite antenna. Am 28.06.2012 16:54, schrieb Stefan Schäfer: > Hi Daniele. > > If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer works well. > > Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively > coupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes > directly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an > oscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns > to get a maximum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly > depends on the position of this secondary winding on the coil. The > impedance becomes lower when you come closer to the center of the rod. > > The will affect the Q of the resonated system. So you may build an > arrangement which allows you to move and fix the secondary coil on the > rod. If the signal is strong enough, maybe from a nearby BCD station, > you can reduce the "gain" a bit. I have done it similarly with my > active ferrite antenna, see > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 28.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Daniele Tincani: >> Hello LF, >> it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 turns >> of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling and >> peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning >> range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower >> frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have >> only made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the >> internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the >> antenna suitable also for direct connection with a 50 ohm input. What >> do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or a buffer >> amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it >> advisable to use the main coil as the primary winding? >> 73 >> Daniele IZ5WWB [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 9be3f060697a097db7a337109fbeece1 Subject: Re: LF: Coupling a LF resonant ferrite rx antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040304070206080106030807" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:409444960:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fec778547c2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040304070206080106030807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5SFOgRj009465 PS: For a 50 Ohm output, just 2 or 3 turns on the out-coupling winding=20 was the best choice for my ferrite antenna. Am 28.06.2012 16:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > Hi Daniele. > > If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer works well. > > Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively=20 > coupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes=20 > directly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an=20 > oscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns=20 > to get a maximum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly=20 > depends on the position of this secondary winding on the coil. The=20 > impedance becomes lower when you come closer to the center of the rod. > > The will affect the Q of the resonated system. So you may build an=20 > arrangement which allows you to move and fix the secondary coil on the=20 > rod. If the signal is strong enough, maybe from a nearby BCD station,=20 > you can reduce the "gain" a bit. I have done it similarly with my=20 > active ferrite antenna, see=20 > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.= JPG > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 28.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Daniele Tincani: >> Hello LF, >> it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 turns=20 >> of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling and=20 >> peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning=20 >> range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower=20 >> frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have=20 >> only made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the=20 >> internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the=20 >> antenna suitable also for direct connection with a 50 ohm input. What=20 >> do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or a buffer=20 >> amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it=20 >> advisable to use the main coil as the primary winding? >> 73 >> Daniele IZ5WWB --------------040304070206080106030807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PS: For a 50 Ohm output, just 2 or 3 turns on the out-coupling winding was the best choice for my ferrite antenna.

Am 28.06.2012 16:54, schrieb Stefan Schäfer:
Hi Daniele.

If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer works well.

Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively coupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes directly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an oscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns to get a maximum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly depends on the position of this secondary winding on the coil. The impedance becomes lower when you come closer to the center of the rod.

The will affect the Q of the resonated system. So you may build an arrangement which allows you to move and fix the secondary coil on the rod. If the signal is strong enough, maybe from a nearby BCD station, you can reduce the "gain" a bit. I have done it similarly with my active ferrite antenna, see https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 28.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Daniele Tincani:
Hello LF,
 
it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 turns of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have only made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct connection with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it advisable to use the main coil as the primary winding?
 
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 
--------------040304070206080106030807-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3D30E380000B1; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbECs-0002zp-0U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:03:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbECr-0002zg-HM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:03:09 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbECp-0002hs-9U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:03:08 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AucFAMCXy09Ok8gE/2dsb2JhbABEo1KQT4EIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBgwKCAYTCgECAgEBh2wDD6tqDYlOijFggnqDFgOIDYUwklmEe4JggV8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="394721363" Received: from host-78-147-200-4.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.200.4]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 18:03:06 +0100 Message-ID: <003801cd41aa$bee050f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:03:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 567a11ac6cfe1e88f3054745c06178fe Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41AA.BEB2FF60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492836032:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174fcb98f60d01 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41AA.BEB2FF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20 Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating = that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me = whose opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly = encouraging or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised = group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to = lies. Eddie ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41AA.BEB2FF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation = from=20 G3XBM
G3KEV
 
Hi Graham
 
Yes very pleased with it so far= I will change power soon trying to make up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable power on the rig (GW= 3UEP) Class E Fet O/P stage Gate. PC not cra= shed .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actually done nothing to stop it.= ...... weird.
=
 I have only just got my head around opera......  thou= ght it was a linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW transmission which I like.
&n= bsp;
Thanks for all the info on opera btw.
 
=
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
= From: Graham <g8fzk@g8f= zk.fsnet.co.uk>
To:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Se= nt: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:37
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=

=0A=0A =0A =0A
=0AWow   and that  was  just using the  Op  =0A= w/fall !  You  could  reduce to  2 watts   = =0Aand  still  decode !  
=0A
 
=0A=
Glad the  system  is  working  for  you =0A
 
=0A
G..
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=0A

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From: M0FMT
=0A<= div>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM
=0A
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
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Subj= ect: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial
= =0A

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=0A
Thanks Paul
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 =0A
Graham is right about QRG.
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=0A
My = PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer =0A(not aff= ected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking.
=0A
7= 3 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: Graham <= g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To= : rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sen= t: Saturday, 2 June 2012, =0A13:12
Subject: Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

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=0A=0A= =0A
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could be   503.275  ?   +/- &= nbsp; a =0Abit  !
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=0A
G.
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=0A

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=0A=
From: Clemens= Paul =0A
=0A
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM=0A=0A=0A
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59= kc/s USB RX dial
=0A

=0A
>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
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=0A
What is the actual tx qrg the= n?
=0A
Just for exactly looking if the sig= nal is visible at =0Aall.
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73
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--1507048413-623648149-1338641975=:19311-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4F36F3800009F; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SftW6-0006Ut-G4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:58:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SftW6-0006Uk-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:58:18 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SftW4-0002BJ-HF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:58:17 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFAN2P3E9Ok8/K/2dsb2JhbABFn3IDlV2BCIIPBBQBAQNJAiELAggCAQYBHTkBBBoGCBwdAQICAQGHfrhPkXMDiA+FNJdegmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,422,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="389964826" Received: from host-78-147-207-202.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.207.202]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 14:58:14 +0100 Message-ID: <005401cd4bc8$0ff74c60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:58:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been associated with marine communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the new band. Get your PK232 and KAM tnc's out and ready. de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: a6b6ffaf48fdddf1ed5c25dc4bf03ee1 Subject: LF: amtor 473 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD4BC8.0F6D0DC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:229277312:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fdc913151a4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD4BC8.0F6D0DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been associated with marine = communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the new = band. Get your PK232 and KAM tnc's out and ready. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD4BC8.0F6D0DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been = associated with=20 marine communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the = new=20 band. Get your PK232  and KAM tnc's out and = ready.
 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD4BC8.0F6D0DC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D5B03380000A0; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbEZf-0003Sf-Vb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:26:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbEZf-0003SW-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:26:43 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbEZd-0002qZ-Qo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:26:42 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFAOGcy09Ok8gE/2dsb2JhbABEnlKVT4EIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMEDQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh361SYsRgnqDFgONPZdUgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="388198042" Received: from host-78-147-200-4.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.200.4]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 18:26:40 +0100 Message-ID: <004b01cd41ae$095039e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> <4FCB9A03.8080802@usa.net> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:26:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Blacksheep was administered by Fair minded persons and organised in a democratic manner with freedom of expression. From what G3XBM implied Yahoo membership would not be the case, one reason why he wanted the move. That is what he said, not my words. Cannot say I have heard you active on the LF/MF bands, silent operator. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 47a967f57bae6380aac0a0062beb1b4e Subject: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01CD41AE.09149070" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497196384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fcb9e8916c8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CD41AE.09149070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blacksheep was administered by Fair minded persons and organised in a = democratic manner with freedom of expression. >From what G3XBM implied Yahoo membership would not be the case, one = reason why he wanted the move. That is what he said, not my words. = Cannot say I have heard you active on the LF/MF bands, silent operator. g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alberto di Bene=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 5:08 PM Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 6/3/2012 6:56 PM, Tony wrote:=20 Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.=20 Can't the same be done also by the Blacksheep moderator (or = administrator, if this term is more acceptable) ? Censorship (or the lack of thereof) does not depend on the technical = substrate, but just on the person who has the authority to perform it. 73 Alberto I2PHD ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CD41AE.09149070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Blacksheep was administered by Fair minded = persons and=20 organised in a democratic manner with freedom of = expression.
From what G3XBM implied Yahoo = membership would not be=20 the case, one reason why he wanted the move. That is what he said, = not my=20 words. Cannot say I have heard you active on the LF/MF bands, silent=20 operator.
 
g3kev
 
 
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From:=20 Alberto di = Bene=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 5:08 PM
Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

On 6/3/2012 6:56 PM, Tony wrote:=20
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Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. =
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Can't the = same be done=20 also by the Blacksheep moderator (or administrator, if this term is = more=20 acceptable) ?
Censorship (or the lack of thereof) does not depend = on the=20 technical substrate, but just on the person who
has the authority = to=20 perform it.

73  Alberto =20 I2PHD

 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CD41AE.09149070-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 04D84380000BF; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHvI-0002M1-Le for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:38:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHvH-0002Ls-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:38:19 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjHvE-0000A6-5U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:38:18 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.169]) by mwinf5d37 with ME id SmeE1j0033f0J8203meEaL; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:38:15 +0200 Message-ID: <7D46521111C34DC380603D43B22BCB8D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <20120625.113436.1661.631277@mailpop04.vgs.untd.com> <1340654283.10216.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1340658147.14634.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340658147.14634.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:38:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120625-0, 25/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: R Pete Ahh By split , I mean the anti-jam in channel split , When on the same frequency, the ground TX (used tobe ?) off set from the aircraft Tx frequency , so if the Aircraft TX jammed 'ON' then other aircraft could still receive the ground , that was the reason for wide IF pass bands and keeping to AM for the comm.'s .... Marine coms , adopted FM ... [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b6451ee7f2b576a2ba2fb8334c73aa80 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD532B.96A61BA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488877728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064fe8e8956fec X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD532B.96A61BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R Pete=20 Ahh By split , I mean the anti-jam in channel split , When on = the same frequency, the ground TX (used tobe ?) off set from = the aircraft Tx frequency , so if the Aircraft TX jammed 'ON' = then other aircraft could still receive the ground , that was = the reason for wide IF pass bands and keeping to AM for the = comm.'s .... Marine coms , adopted FM ... There is a afc for cw=20 OT ? over the top more like , the disclaimer on the = yab-a-dab-a-doo group is bigger than the space left for the = messages , I think the name Black-Sheep seems to be quite apt = now !,=20 Big-bang , according to my arrl hand book , HF communications = will tend to be attenuated in the direction of the burst , = assume by producing quite a big Fariday screen , also recommends = you keep your radio in a metal sweet tin ala blue peter garden = ! =20 Did get good signals on the MW on the way to work from France = during the eclipse some time ago , due to the lack of ionisation = G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:02 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Graham ............ to monitor off frequency nets and the tower/aircraft = split............... ? there is no split frequency working the Tower and = A/C both use the same QRG its just that the A/C being at altitude can be = heard the Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can not be = heard........ if thats what you ment. I use the say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B) LO for Tower so when = the hand over from Approach to Tower occures I merely click the = appropriate LO A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well it is at Luton = AP anyway. Sorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector........ just as well = the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be getting = our keying fingers rapped!!!!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 21:19 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Yes I think Andy gave a talk at the egham convention on using = a/d from mobile phones , the new ones had the extra bits to = give the full dynamic range on HF ..he was using hardware block = convertors ......... never saw any items offered for sale = ........only some very high price 'HF rx' using the same ideas = ...I think the give away is the band being covered in frequency = blocks , which I assume is down to the down convertors=20 Dont think he is monitoring BS now , or we might of got the = fill in, but one things is certain, the =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle = has saved me from buying a R7000 ...All we need now is a = little more stability in the control software and a wide-band = FM option in HDSDR =20 Im getting the gb3ang beacon on 70 Mhz good signal with my = indoor 2 ele quad .......... the PMR band on 446 Mhz with the = co-linera from 10 miles away in liverpool ssb on 144 MHz etc =20 Definable FM-AFC (AND AM) would be handy to monitor off = frequency nets and the tower/aircraft split=20 I think possible the driver software could improve as more take = up the idea ....... could HDSDR have its own driver code block = .......... Ive noticed there is a routine that some times = appears that 'purges' the device ......now if that could be run = at will , that would be a big help, to recover a locked = system=20 73 -G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Bob If you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at earlier = posts. However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of little interest = to you.=20 You say dangle we say dongle..... :-0 These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug straight = into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving = local digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in = the US and they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. = If I need to tell you more please ask but this is all in public domain = on the web (but not in Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played with = these things for about 6 months now and for a few quid (dollars) are = fun. If you build a simple up converter with a say a 60meg LO guess = what, you have an all band HF radio as well. Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? We = are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "riese-k3djc@juno.com" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 19:34 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =EF=BB=BF=20 Been Kinda out of any loop on this =20 BUT if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct = chip set it will cover MF to HF using an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with = my SDR IQ which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set = HDSDR will run that TV dangle as a HF radio ?? Bob K3DJC On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" = writes: Hello Pete If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid = on the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling = digital down conversion SDR. It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has = a LAN interface for remote access. The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and = VAT. You can find more details here http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description https://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b1022925e I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer. 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Mal The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the = price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D = converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on LF = because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its = worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks = people have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not = sure. It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known = LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 = chipset. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD532B.96A61BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
R Pete
 
Ahh   By  split , I mean the  = anti-jam  =20 in channel  split  , When  on the  same  = frequency,=20 the  ground  TX  (used tobe ?)   off  = set =20 from the  aircraft  Tx  frequency  , so  = if=20 the  Aircraft TX jammed  'ON' then  other  = aircraft =20 could  still  receive  the  ground   , = that =20 was  the  reason  for  wide  IF pass  = bands=20 and  keeping  to AM  for the  comm.'s .... =20 Marine  coms  , adopted  FM ...
 
There is a  afc  for  cw
 
 
OT ?  over the  top  more like ,  the  = disclaimer=20 on the  yab-a-dab-a-doo  group    is bigger  = than=20 the  space  left  for the  messages , I think = the =20 name  Black-Sheep  seems  to  be  quite  = apt =20 now  !,
 
Big-bang  , according  to  my  arrl  = hand =20 book , HF communications  will  tend to  be =20 attenuated  in the  direction  of the  burst  , = assume  by  producing  quite  a big =20 Fariday   screen , also  recommends  you  = keep =20 your  radio  in a  metal  sweet tin ala   = blue=20 peter  garden ! 
 
Did  get  good  signals  on the  MW on = the =20 way  to  work  from  France  during  = the =20 eclipse some  time  ago  , due to the  lack  = of =20 ionisation
 
G..
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:02 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Graham
 
 
............ to monitor off frequency nets and the = tower/aircraft=20 split............... ? there is no split frequency working the = Tower and=20 A/C both use the same QRG its just that the A/C being at = altitude can=20 be heard the Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can not be=20 heard........ if thats what you ment.
 
I use the say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B) LO = for Tower=20 so when the hand over from Approach to Tower occures I merely click the=20 appropriate LO A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well it is at = Luton AP=20 anyway.
 
Sorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector........ = just as=20 well the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be = getting our=20 keying fingers rapped!!!!!!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 25 = June 2012,=20 21:19
Subject: Re: = LF: SDR=20 programs

Yes I think  Andy  gave a talk  at the  = egham =20 convention  on using   a/d  from  mobile  = phones ,=20 the  new  ones had the  extra  bits  to  = give=20 the  full  dynamic  range on  HF ..he  = was =20 using   hardware  block  convertors ......... = never =20 saw  any  items  offered  for  sale =20 ........only  some  very  high price  'HF rx' =20 using  the  same  ideas  ...I think  the =20 give  away  is  the  band  being  covered = in=20 frequency   blocks , which I assume  is  down = to =20 the  down  convertors
 
Dont  think  he is  monitoring  BS now , = or =20 we  might  of  got the  fill  in, but  one = things  is  certain, the =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle  = has =20 saved  me  from  buying  a  R7000 ...All = we =20 need  now  is  a  little  more  = stability  in=20 the   control  software  and  a =20 wide-band  FM option in  HDSDR 
 
Im getting the  gb3ang   beacon  on  70 = Mhz =20 good  signal  with  my indoor   2 ele  = quad=20 .......... the  PMR band  on  446 Mhz  with = the =20 co-linera  from  10 miles away in liverpool  ssb on 144 = MHz =20 etc 
 
Definable  FM-AFC  (AND  AM)=20    would be handy  to  monitor  off =20 frequency  nets  and the  tower/aircraft   = split
 
I think  possible  the  driver  software =20 could  improve  as  more  take  up  = the =20 idea  ....... could  HDSDR have  its  own  = driver =20 code  block  .......... Ive  noticed there  is = a =20 routine  that  some  times  appears  that  = 'purges'  the  device  ......now  if that  = could =20 be  run at   will  , that  would  be a = big =20 help, to  recover  a  locked   system
 
73 -G.
From: M0FMT
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Bob
 
If you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at = earlier=20 posts.
 
However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of = little=20 interest to you.
 
You say dangle we say dongle..... :-0
 
These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug = straight=20 into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving = local=20 digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in the = US and=20 they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. If I = need to=20 tell you more please ask but this is all in public domain on the web = (but not in=20 Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played with these things for about = 6=20 months now and for a few quid (dollars) are fun. If you build a = simple up=20 converter with a say a 60meg LO guess what, you have an all band HF = radio=20 as well.
 
Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at = below??=20 We are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 "riese-k3djc@juno.com" <riese-k3djc@juno.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 25 = June 2012,=20 19:34
Subject: Re: = LF: SDR=20 programs

=EF=BB=BF=20
 
Been Kinda out of any loop on this  
 
BUT
 
if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he = correct chip=20 set
it will cover MF to HF using  an appropriate program. I use = HDSDR with=20 my SDR IQ
which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set = HDSDR
will run that TV dangle as a HF radio
 
??
 
Bob K3DJC
 
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" <tracey.gardner@talktalk.ne= t>=20 writes:
Hello Pete
 
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new = kid on=20 the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel.
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct = sampling=20 digital down conversion SDR.
It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and = has a=20 LAN interface for remote access.
The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping = and VAT.
 
You can find more details here
 
 
 
I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer.
 
73s Tracey G5VU
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT =
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Mal
 
The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is = the=20 price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D=20 converter. They are not really suitable for or give any = advantage on LF=20 because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a = good sound=20 card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think = its=20 worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks = people=20 have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not = sure. It=20 looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX = suppiers=20 do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 = chipset.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tony=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 = 9:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" = Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. =
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 g3zjo=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: = O.T.:=20 Reflector status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some = time back=20 indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban = persons=20 like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his, =  this is=20 hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth = operation of=20 any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or = BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but = please=20 don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
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How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM
G3KEV

Indeed Mal you should apologise to the Group for twisting things, I noted that you did it at the time but let you get away with it.

Eddei
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete I am sure Mexico radio stns were within range after dark but I listened to the Honolulu stns. In those days I was a Globe Trotter seeking rare DX locations. I took advantage of facilities available at the various locations.to operate amateur radio. I used Aircraft, Ships and Fixed transmitters besides having my own portable equipment when possible to carry with me. I had a certain amount of Influence to achieve my objectives !! [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b42857a5fad6e32377447282c21f62b1 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD52FE.F33FFC00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:401936416:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fe8abb97964 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD52FE.F33FFC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete I am sure Mexico radio stns were within range after dark but I listened = to the Honolulu stns. In those days I was a Globe Trotter seeking rare DX locations. I took = advantage of facilities available at the various locations.to operate = amateur radio. I used Aircraft, Ships and Fixed transmitters besides = having my own portable equipment when possible to carry with me. I had a certain amount of Influence to achieve my objectives !! 73 de G3KEV Retired Globe Trotter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 AM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Hi Mal Very intersting Did you hear any of the Border Blaster X stations out of Mexico, = quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with massive antennas haloed = with a corona that could be seen right across the border into Texas, = pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n Roll to the Pacific GIs, = Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Ionosphere than the = H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at night. Amazing range = which upset the US gov. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb =20 Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 10:34 Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Terry es Co=20 Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Google maps then. G3KEV/VR4MC . ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD52FE.F33FFC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pete
I am sure Mexico radio stns were within range = after dark=20 but I listened to the Honolulu stns.
In those days I was a Globe Trotter seeking rare = DX=20 locations. I took advantage of facilities available at the various = locations.to=20 operate amateur radio. I used Aircraft, Ships and Fixed transmitters = besides=20 having my own portable equipment when possible to carry with = me.
I had a certain amount of Influence to achieve = my=20 objectives !!
 
73 de G3KEV  Retired Globe = Trotter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 = 11:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing:=20 11-18-2009_006

Hi Mal
 
Very intersting
 
Did you hear any of the Border Blaster X stations out of = Mexico,=20 quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with massive antennas haloed with a corona that could be seen right = across the=20 border into Texas, pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n = Roll to the=20 Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the = Ionosphere=20 than the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at night. = Amazing=20 range which upset the US gov.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal=20 hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012,=20 10:34
Subject: LF: = Emailing:=20 11-18-2009_006

Terry es Co
 
Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Google maps = then.
G3KEV/VR4MC
 
=
 .


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Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4C27.BFF62EB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475707840:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fdd23a464c5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4C27.BFF62EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Qrt now=20 00:14 500 DK8KW Op4 -26 dB 00:06 500 DK8KW Op4 -23 dB *********** 17/06/2012 ***********=20 23:23 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB From: Graham=20 Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:34 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 And finally , off air decode at 554 Miles ! 23:23 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 554 mi -28 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 deg = NO R From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 Ok Geri=20 Watching for your signal off air on 477 at the moment = .......just starting to go dark , web-browser froze , but now = back running , so am monitoring 477 via delft and off air = Liverpool at the moment . Ok, on the exciter, I use the Racal MA1723 , which will run ok = past 500 Khz , just checked and the ROS-MF 2 mode is -28 dB = min s/n =20 Its possible that 477.400 could be used , in the last 200 Hz , = as the mode is 100 Hz wide =20 Good results for you on the first day ! 73 -G.=20 From: DK8KW & DI2BO=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 Graham, I will look into ROS, I have a SSB exciter that works down to 100 kHz = which should be able to do the trick. Thanks, 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 DF2JP=20 First station to decode off air , at -22 dB that is strong = enough to use the ROS-MF-2 data mode for a qso ! , Opera qso = mode needs -20 dB min signal level ,=20 (ROS MF needs Audio + ssb or SDR tx , but is MFSK so no need = for a linear PA ) 18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w + = Umbrella,=20 18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com=20 Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft =20 73 -G.=20 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB *********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20 16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4C27.BFF62EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Qrt now

00:14 500 DK8KW Op4 -26 dB

00:06 500 DK8KW Op4 -23 dB

*********** 17/06/2012 *********** =

23:23 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB


From: Graham
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

And finally , off  air  decode  = at =20 554 Miles  !

23:23 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 554 mi -28 dB in Nr Liverpool = beam 040=20 deg NO R


From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:58 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

Ok  Geri
 
Watching  for  your  signal  off  = air =20 on  477 at the  moment  .......just  starting  = to =20 go  dark  , web-browser  froze , but  now  = back =20 running  , so  am monitoring    477  = via =20 delft  and  off air  Liverpool  at the  moment = .
 
Ok, on the exciter, I use the   Racal MA1723 , = which =20 will  run  ok  past  500 Khz  , just =20 checked  and  the  ROS-MF 2 mode  is   -28 = dB  min  s/n 
 
Its possible  that  477.400  could  be  = used =20 , in the  last  200 Hz  , as the  mode  = is  100=20 Hz  wide 
 
Good  results for  you  on the  first  day = !
 
73 -G.

From: DK8KW & DI2BO
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

Graham,
 
I will look into ROS, I have a SSB = exciter=20 that works down to 100 kHz which should be able to do the=20 trick.
 
 
Thanks, 73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 9:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera = decode=20 from 477 via Delft sdr

DF2JP
 
First  station  to  decode  off  air , = at =20 -22 dB   that is  strong enough  to  use = the =20 ROS-MF-2  data  mode  for  a qso !   ,=20 Opera  qso mode  needs  -20 dB min signal  = level  ,=20
 
(ROS MF needs  Audio + ssb  or  SDR   = tx  ,=20 but  is  MFSK  so  no need  for  a  = linear=20 PA )
 

18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella,

18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com
Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

*********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20

 

16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4C27.BFF62EB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9291438000084; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgQvL-00085c-7h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:38:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgQvK-00085T-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:38:34 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgQvJ-0000ue-0M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:38:33 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5I1cW5p010340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:38:32 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5I1cVrI023509 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:38:31 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDE8631.8010002@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:36:49 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <15B9C0CD09D4429B83AB1E02595502AD@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <15B9C0CD09D4429B83AB1E02595502AD@JimPC> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Jim, Alan, G.., Laurence, Roelof, MF, Thanks for the discussion and detailed informations. Many interesting things to learn. That sounds all very exciting and confirms many of my assumptions. Hope to meet you soon on the band. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464499104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94fde86d71071 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Jim, Alan, G.., Laurence, Roelof, MF, Thanks for the discussion and detailed informations. Many interesting things to learn. That sounds all very exciting and confirms many of my assumptions. Hope to meet you soon on the band. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 17.06.2012 22:06, schrieb James Moritz: > Dear Stefan, LF Group, > >> I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the >> xtal does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient >> temperatures in the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise >> on MF is significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. > > As well as the natural band noise being lower at MF (I estimate the > noise FS is about 10dB lower), there is also not the constant presence > of man-made noise, such as Loran and DCF39 sidebands. So the spectrum > around 500kHz does sound much quieter, especially during daytime. >> >> What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the >> afternoon? When does the band open? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all  Looks like the ceramic filters have it Stefan.  The spec shows +-2kc/s (at 3dB?) looks narrow for FM?  "What others are buying" are Tesla kits. You too can have a G3KEV Corona atop your ant!! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.63 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-663389426-1341054173=:63166" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482126016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d303.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4feedd1729ba X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-663389426-1341054173=:63166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=0A=C2=A0=0ALooks like the ceramic filters have it Stefan.=0A=C2=A0= =0AThe spec shows +-2kc/s (at 3dB?) looks narrow for FM?=0A=C2=A0=0A"What o= thers are buying" are Tesla kits. You too can have a G3KEV Corona atop your= ant!!=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>___________________________= _____=0A> From: pa3abk =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org =0A>Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2012, 10:53=0A>Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help n= eeded, mechanical filters=0A> =0A>On 29-6-2012 23:30, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = wrote:=0A>> .....=0A>>=0A>> These parts must be 50 years old or so. I find = 3.95 Euro extremely cheap=0A>>=0A>=0A>Cheap?=0A>100x for just =E2=82=AC6=0A= >http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=3Dp5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=3D472khz&_s= acat=3D0=0A>=0A>I know, I just compare apples with oranges...=C2=A0 :-)=0A>= =0A>Jan/pa3abk=0A>=0A>-- =0A>pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A= > ---1613889061-663389426-1341054173=:63166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all
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Looks like the ceramic filters have it Stefan.
<= span> 
The spec shows +-2kc/s (at 3dB?) looks n= arrow for FM?
 
"What ot= hers are buying" are Tesla kits. You too can have a G3KEV Corona atop your = ant!!
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91U= X
From: pa3abk <pa3abk@kpnmail.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2012, 10:53
Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help need= ed, mechanical filters

On 29-6-2012 23:30, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote:
> ...= ..
>
> These parts must be 50 years old or so. I find 3.95 Euro= extremely cheap
>

Cheap?
100x for just =E2=82=AC6
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?= _trksid=3Dp5197.m570.l1313&_nkw<= /span>=3D472khz&_sacat=3D0

I know, I just c= ompare apples with oranges...  :-)

Jan/pa3abk

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---1613889061-663389426-1341054173=:63166-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5A1B838000083; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeDCo-00074Q-4k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:35:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeDCn-00074H-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:35:25 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeDCk-0005D1-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:35:24 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5BMZLCt025277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:35:21 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5BMYLRK027903 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:34:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD6720C.9090606@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:32:44 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <000001cd461f$4d2fef50$e78fcdf0$@com> <005e01cd4621$e0d34660$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <01bc01cd4623$557e9090$007bb1b0$@com> <4FD4D08A.6070408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003101cd472f$b96d1060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Terry, Am 10.06.2012 23:38, schrieb Terry GW0EZY: > > Stefan > > Thanks for your interest in my LF preparations. > Yes, there are not many transmitting newcomers on the band and what you tell sounds serious. > > I was lucky earlier this year to obtain a Decca 5501 (Many thanks > Mal). It is now tuned to 136 kHz thanks to the very helpful and > detailed notes posted on the internet by Jim M0BMU, Dave G0MRF and > Mike G3XDV. The antenna is an inverted L with one end in a tree 22 m > high about 90 metres from my shack with a 13 m mast. > That sounds very nice. For LF, my favorite measuring device is the tuning meter of M0BMU. Probably you know the pdf / article. It is very helpful to accurately find the resonance and match the impedance to 50 Ohm. Do you have a good ground conductivity? At least that sounds all most promising so that i will see you on the band. > > Will try to get a neighbours agreement for a 300m loop. > Vertical or horizontal? I can confirm from a test what i read about the very poor performance of horizontal loops on LF. So better use the aerial as a wire against ground. However a vertical loop could be nice to play with. But the vertical will be much better i expect! > > For loading, two large clear-plastic "mixing" buckets giving 800 mm > height and 300 mm width. I should be able to get 200 turns using a > combination of Litz wire (thanks Mal) and Flexweave. Not sure if it > will give enough loading or what the variable tuning arrangement will be. > Well, my coil is also 300mm in diameter and i also have a inv-L antenna. But mine is "just" 70m long and i only need about 160 turns. So you will need less i think. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 2f90a4c609af5ffc8bc1d07d55c0cce1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: GW0EZY (reply to DK7FC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010900080000090908050806" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464921696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4fd672e36705 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010900080000090908050806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Terry, Am 10.06.2012 23:38, schrieb Terry GW0EZY: > > Stefan > > Thanks for your interest in my LF preparations. > Yes, there are not many transmitting newcomers on the band and what you tell sounds serious. > > I was lucky earlier this year to obtain a Decca 5501 (Many thanks > Mal). It is now tuned to 136 kHz thanks to the very helpful and > detailed notes posted on the internet by Jim M0BMU, Dave G0MRF and > Mike G3XDV. The antenna is an inverted L with one end in a tree 22 m > high about 90 metres from my shack with a 13 m mast. > That sounds very nice. For LF, my favorite measuring device is the tuning meter of M0BMU. Probably you know the pdf / article. It is very helpful to accurately find the resonance and match the impedance to 50 Ohm. Do you have a good ground conductivity? At least that sounds all most promising so that i will see you on the band. > > Will try to get a neighbours agreement for a 300m loop. > Vertical or horizontal? I can confirm from a test what i read about the very poor performance of horizontal loops on LF. So better use the aerial as a wire against ground. However a vertical loop could be nice to play with. But the vertical will be much better i expect! > > For loading, two large clear-plastic "mixing" buckets giving 800 mm > height and 300 mm width. I should be able to get 200 turns using a > combination of Litz wire (thanks Mal) and Flexweave. Not sure if it > will give enough loading or what the variable tuning arrangement will be. > Well, my coil is also 300mm in diameter and i also have a inv-L antenna. But mine is "just" 70m long and i only need about 160 turns. So you will need less i think. > A lot of work to do before LF Txing, so it was good to have the 7 MHz > X-Band QSOs this weekend with Mal on 136 and 500 kHz to give me a try > at LF ops. If any other LF op can do X-Band I would like to test and > there are probably other LF listeners who might like to try an X-Band > test. If you can do X-Band to 40m or other HF band I'm sure you would > create a lot of interest as your beacon is probably one of the first > amateur signals new LFers hear. > Yes, i should consider to arrange a HF station near the LF system. But it's not so easy since antenna wire cannot simply be switched to a HF tunernand PA by a relay. I would have massive HV problems. A separate HF receive antenna would be an option... Good idea, thanks. Ah and yes, good to gain new newcomers! :-) All in all it sounds as if you will be one of the active stations i mean active of those who CAN be active. Looking forward to some traffic! 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------010900080000090908050806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Terry,

Am 10.06.2012 23:38, schrieb Terry GW0EZY:

Stefan

 

Thanks for your interest in my LF preparations.

Yes, there are not many transmitting newcomers on the band and what you tell sounds serious.

I was lucky earlier this year to obtain a Decca 5501 (Many thanks Mal). It is now tuned to 136 kHz thanks to the very helpful and detailed notes posted on the internet by Jim M0BMU, Dave G0MRF and Mike G3XDV. The antenna is an inverted L with one end in a tree 22 m high about 90 metres from my shack with a 13 m mast.

That sounds very nice. For LF, my favorite measuring device is the tuning meter of M0BMU. Probably you know the pdf / article. It is very helpful to accurately find the resonance and match the impedance to 50 Ohm.
Do you have a good ground conductivity? At least that sounds all most promising so that i will see you on the band.

Will try to get a neighbours agreement for a 300m loop.

Vertical or horizontal? I can confirm from a test what i read about the very poor performance of horizontal loops on LF. So  better use the aerial as a wire against ground. However a vertical loop could be nice to play with. But the vertical will be much better i expect!

For loading, two large clear-plastic “mixing” buckets giving 800 mm height and 300 mm width. I should be able to get 200 turns using a combination of Litz wire (thanks Mal) and Flexweave. Not sure if it will give enough loading or what the variable tuning arrangement will be.

Well, my coil is also 300mm in diameter and i also have a inv-L antenna. But mine is "just" 70m long and i only need about 160 turns. So you will need less i think.

 

A lot of work to do before LF Txing, so it was good to have the 7 MHz X-Band QSOs this weekend with Mal on 136 and 500 kHz to give me a try at LF ops. If any other LF op can do X-Band I would like to test and there are probably other LF listeners who might like to try an X-Band test. If you can do X-Band to 40m or other HF band I’m sure you would create a lot of interest as your beacon is probably one of the first amateur signals new LFers hear.

Yes, i should consider to arrange a HF station near the LF system. But it's not so easy since antenna wire cannot simply be switched to a HF tunernand PA by a relay. I would have massive HV problems. A separate HF receive antenna would be an option...
Good idea, thanks. Ah and yes, good to gain new newcomers! :-)

All in all it sounds as if you will be one of the active stations i mean active of those who CAN be active. Looking forward to some traffic!


73, Stefan/DK7FC

--------------010900080000090908050806-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CEA14380000AD; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 18:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkjMH-00044i-0i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:08:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkjMG-00044Z-Jf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:08:08 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkjMF-0000uI-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:08:07 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.202]) by mwinf5d41 with ME id UN851j00H4MjVGq03N86nY; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:08:06 +0200 Message-ID: <8B20B0CCF1D84DCE94DABD9F36F1F745@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1341006419.32377.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1341006419.32377.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:08:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120629-2, 29/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On frequency now ........ this dual sector band is a pain in the do-nut ..... same happed to wspr when the usa split ,,, can monitor X2 , but need the second rx G.. 22:05 500 M0FMT Op4 -26 dB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: ebba021850e0a5d4120636e52401e975 Subject: Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01CD564C.09F38570" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440646144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fee278b5be0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CD564C.09F38570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On frequency now ........ this dual sector band is a pain in = the do-nut ..... same happed to wspr when the usa split ,,, = can monitor X2 , but need the second rx =20 G.. 22:05 500 M0FMT Op4 -26 dB 40 ft end fed vert , no tuner , skanti r5003 wide band=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:46 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG Hi All Opera now 500 RX QRG! Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS = hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CD564C.09F38570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On  frequency  now  ........  this  =20 dual   sector  band  is  a pain  in = the =20 do-nut  .....  same  happed  to  wspr  = when =20 the  usa  split  ,,,  can  monitor  = X2  ,=20 but  need  the  second  rx 
 
G..
 

22:05 500 M0FMT Op4 -26 dB

40  ft  end  fed  vert , no  tuner , skanti=20 r5003  wide band


From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:46 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG

Hi All
 
Opera now 500 RX QRG!
 
Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF = block on DDS=20 hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CD564C.09F38570-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 177D23800009A; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sju2U-0001SG-22 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:20:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sju2T-0001S7-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:20:17 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sju2R-0005RE-NW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:20:16 +0100 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120627152014.JZSY3118.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:20:14 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120627152014.BUAL10211.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:20:14 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:20:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4FEB32BA.27983.18457B5@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <4EB9F9BF57C243B4AC853AECF32B69EE@uwePC> References: <4EB9F9BF57C243B4AC853AECF32B69EE@uwePC> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=e0LARZvofmIA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=BVVEQBnsS1oQYU9NF0kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Uwe, This is an NDB in Darlowo, Poland. See my list of frequently heard 472kHz stations at: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/500kHz/index.htm [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 4ead635eadbaebfaa92cfec77deb715d Subject: Re: LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:349197856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4feb24de7427 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Uwe, This is an NDB in Darlowo, Poland. See my list of frequently heard 472kHz stations at: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/500kHz/index.htm Mike, G3XDV ========== > Hi > Who is it ? > SA > > Uwe dk1kq > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9EA7738000083; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgGFi-00068x-UL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:14:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgGFi-00068o-HY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:14:54 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgGFh-00073m-0Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:14:53 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5HEEqum010446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:14:52 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5HEEqTc003432 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:14:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDDE5F5.4000307@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:13:09 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEB38.9090807@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FDCEB38.9090807@kpnmail.nl> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jan, MF, Am 16.06.2012 22:23, schrieb pa3abk: > > > FYI I have H24 solid CW QSO with g3xiz mostly S-7/8 about same > distance both using about 100W. I can hear G3XIZ very well on the Delft web sdr. It looks to me like the ground wave reaches much much wider above sea water. The effect seems to be extreme on MF, even more than on LF or VLF. Is this possible, i mean can you confirm it? Oh, that would explain why all the vessels used 500 kHz for such a long time :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: LF: MF propagation... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:335596864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61854fdde68e27c1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jan, MF, Am 16.06.2012 22:23, schrieb pa3abk: > > > FYI I have H24 solid CW QSO with g3xiz mostly S-7/8 about same > distance both using about 100W. I can hear G3XIZ very well on the Delft web sdr. It looks to me like the ground wave reaches much much wider above sea water. The effect seems to be extreme on MF, even more than on LF or VLF. Is this possible, i mean can you confirm it? Oh, that would explain why all the vessels used 500 kHz for such a long time :-) That would explain why you can hear G3XIZ H24, since you are much closer to the sea than me. Here on the land the situation looks to be quite different during the daytime... 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4798E38000090; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Satjk-0001AC-1S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:11:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Satjj-0001A3-8L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:11:43 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Satjh-0006xA-Tf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:11:42 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Jun 2012 19:11:34 -0000 Received: from p5B3951C0.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.81.192] by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 02 Jun 2012 21:11:34 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19irmVv/cBiNoZb04LOD8JS+CiUxUA0EQVoItL1e+ c6BbibmAH+U2qt Message-ID: <005601cd40f3$86b01650$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: Cc: References: <005301cd3ff6$7ac46b50$ae01a8c0@youry0mkaz8jaq> <43865E95A7274277B75E2087347886B8@GaryPC> <007b01cd40a0$2a7e07a0$ae01a8c0@youry0mkaz8jaq> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:11:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: LF: Unid carriers around 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4104.4110D830" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81212 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:388072416:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fca65a615a5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4104.4110D830 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I can hear/see three synchronous carriers,spaced about 7kHz apart on ca. 493.7, 500.7, 507.7. Duration about 4 seconds,pause, then repetition and so on. See screenshot. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete I find for a class E PA or class C with series resonant cct at frequency of interest you do not need a LPF. To resonate the PA use an Air core inductor and fixed capicator ie for 500 Khz use 5nF in series with 20uH inductor. Adjust inductor slightly up/down in value to resonate at exact freq of interest. Use an old LOPT core 8 turns Prim 24 turns Sec. The wire does not have to be Litz. Prim 2.5mm elec wire and Sec 1mm. I have used both litz and elec wire and find no difference. A couple of hours should build this type of TX [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.6 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6b82e6b293537342548040dfe5d175a5 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01CD55F8.1E393B50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:508620352:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074feda8df1d88 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CD55F8.1E393B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete I find for a class E PA or class C with series resonant cct at frequency = of interest you do not need a LPF. To resonate the PA use an Air core inductor and fixed capicator ie for = 500 Khz use 5nF in series with 20uH inductor. Adjust inductor slightly = up/down in value to resonate at exact freq of interest. Use an old LOPT = core 8 turns Prim 24 turns Sec. The wire does not have to be Litz. Prim = 2.5mm elec wire and Sec 1mm. I have used both litz and elec wire and = find no difference. A couple of hours should build this type of TX g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Rik Many thanks for your very useful information. I hope others find this = as well. Yes I said in an earlier mail what the PA and driver would cost from = E-bay (my supplier of choice... :o)) but at least they are obtainable. The current hold are the Ferrites or the Iron Dust toriods. This is = the usual problem because one black iron ring looks very much like = another. Once you have it in your hands you can do a test. What I do is = to put a few turns on an unknown core and measure the inductance then = compare the results with the theoretical value obtained from a range of = cores with the same dimensions using "Mini Core" SW. At the moment I = have a source for the T1 core but not the choke. And surprisingly I = can't find the T80-2s they were every where once upon a time. Anyway I = do have a variety of cores that will probably do for the O/P filtre. One = day I will find a design I can kit perfectly. I like your transverter, I am getting torn between projects right now. = Q6 / Q7 driver as you say can be reproduced for each FET gate cheaply in = fact I have the parts! I will now crawl into my cave and start to build. Thanks to you and = Stefan. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =20 Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 8:49 Subject: RE: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =20 Hello Pete, I assume that the more exotic parts are the power FET (IRFZ48N) and = the driver IC (ICL7667). The IRFZ48N is a 55V / 64A / 0.014 Ohm device. For a first try you = could replace it by far more common IRF460 that is 100V / 28A / 0.06 = Ohm. A bit of reverse engineering: Stefan states 50W output at 80% = efficiency =3D 62.5W input =3D 5.2A at 12V. So with a 28A device you are on the safe side. The larger Ron (0.06 Ohm vs 0.014 Ohm) will (in theory) reduce the = efficiency. But 5.2A in 0.014 Ohm is only about 0.4W loss (for a = IRFZ48N). For a IRF460 it is 5.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D 1.6W loss. So the losses (12.5W) are probably more due to the non perfect = switching than due to the Ron of the FETs. An alternative for the ICL7667 is a TC4426 or a homebrew driver (see = http://www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif/im= ages/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk] Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 20:41 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Stefan I like this and would like to make to make it. I so far have tracked = down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many construction = projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no = chance of that I suppose? There will be those who tell me its easy to get the bits but unless = you work for a company that uses this stuff it can not be slipped = through the "Purchasing" it becomes a positive stop!!=20 Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min = orders and it said it had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly = collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min = order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En? Hmm = it's plaited ? Wima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in depth but they = usually are. I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source = div. by four. Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not = be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel = the width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more. I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK = source) may be they could publish it?=20 And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is = new and worth while thanks! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 16:53 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi MF,=20 Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: = https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png (picture of = prototype = https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.= JPG) Most of the parts are not critical.=20 The ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are = in the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the = primary and secondary number of turns. There are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N = you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher = input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts. = Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise = between low on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Source = voltage should be 55V for a 12V supply. Instead of RF litz wire (i use this one: = http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI= %20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better = 5x0.4mm or what you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less. The overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it = is quite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for = /p tests. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a = multi step switch and more taps. A DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal = coming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as = the peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before! Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT:=20 Hi again Stefan The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@(( Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be = stranded up to make a synth? =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Stefan = http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/160818253= 496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8 Just over =C2=A35 a pop! = http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-= 8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326= 077 Just over =C2=A36 a pop! But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite? = =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0) Chees Pete FMT From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hello Stephan , Me too=20 73 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ =20 Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3=A9crit : Hi Stephan Me Too 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12 Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC like ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind = into a schematic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CD55F8.1E393B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Pete
I find for a class E PA or class C with series = resonant=20 cct at frequency of interest you do not need a LPF.
To resonate the PA use an Air core inductor and = fixed=20 capicator ie for 500 Khz use 5nF in series with 20uH inductor. Adjust = inductor=20 slightly up/down in value to resonate at exact freq of interest. Use an = old LOPT=20 core 8 turns Prim 24 turns Sec. The wire does not have to be Litz. Prim = 2.5mm=20 elec wire and Sec 1mm. I have used both litz and elec wire and find no=20 difference.
A couple of hours should build this type of=20 TX
 
g3kev
 
 
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From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 = 11:31=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 = kHz PA=20 running at 12 VDC

Hi Rik
 
Many thanks for your very useful information. I hope others = find=20 this as well.
Yes I said in an earlier mail what the PA and driver would = cost=20 from E-bay (my supplier of choice... :o)) but at least they are=20 obtainable.
 
The current hold are the Ferrites or the Iron Dust = toriods.=20 This is the usual problem because one black iron ring looks very much = like=20 another. Once you have it in your hands you can do a test. What I do = is to put=20 a few turns on an unknown core and measure the inductance then compare = the=20 results with the theoretical value obtained from a range of cores with = the=20 same dimensions using "Mini Core" SW. At the moment I have a = source for the T1 core but not the choke. And = surprisingly=20 I can't find the T80-2s they were every where once upon a time. Anyway = I do=20 have a variety of cores that will probably do for the O/P filtre. = One day=20 I will find a design I  can kit perfectly.
 
I like your transverter, I am getting torn between projects = right=20 now. Q6 / Q7 driver as you say can be reproduced for each FET gate = cheaply in=20 fact I have the parts!
 
I will now crawl into my cave and start to build. Thanks to you = and=20 Stefan.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Rik=20 Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: = "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012,=20 8:49
Subject: RE: = LF: Re: RE:=20 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
 

Hello Pete,
 
I assume that the more exotic parts are the = power FET (IRFZ48N) and the driver IC=20 (ICL7667).
The IRFZ48N = is a 55V / 64A / 0.014 Ohm=20 device. For a first try you could replace it by far = more common IRF460 that = is 100V / 28A / 0.06=20 Ohm.
A bit of reverse=20 engineering: Stefan states 50W output at 80% efficiency =3D 62.5W input =3D 5.2A at 12V.
So with = a 28A device you are on the = safe side.
The larger = Ron (0.06=20 Ohm vs 0.014 Ohm) will (in theory) reduce the efficiency. But 5.2A in 0.014 = Ohm=20 is only about 0.4W loss = (for a IRFZ48N). For = a IRF460 it = is 5.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D 1.6W=20 loss.
So the losses (12.5W) are probably=20 more due to the non = perfect switching than due to the Ron of the FETs.
An alternative for the ICL7667 is=20 a TC4426 or=20 a homebrew driver (see http://www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transver= ter_full.gif/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif).
 
73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T
 
Van: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT=20 [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk]
Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012=20 20:41
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: = Re: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
 
I like this and would like to make to make = it. I so=20 far have tracked down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many construction = projects=20 that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no chance of = that I=20 suppose?
 
There will be those who tell me its easy to = get the=20 bits but unless you work for a company that uses this stuff it = can not be=20 slipped through the "Purchasing" it becomes a positive stop!!=20
Like the Litz I just put that in one of our = big=20 outfits with min orders and it said it had over one hundred thousand = Litz and = promptly=20 collapsed. But = they have=20 one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min = order=20 either double wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125=20 Cu/En?  Hmm=20 it's plaited ?
Wima caps are available from Maplin = haven't checked=20 in depth but they usually are.
 
I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a = master osc = source div. by=20 four.
 
Generally I buy my power FETs by = the hand full=20 off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer = 60Ec) = (Never mind the=20 quality but feel the width... principle) and the drivers TC range = for=20 slightly more.
 
I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a = kitting=20 list (UK source) may be they could publish it? 
 
And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" = but in=20 context it is new and worth while thanks!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, 28 = June=20 2012, 16:53
Subject: Re: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi MF,=20

Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.pn= g =20 (picture of prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20P= A%2015W%2B100W.JPG)

Most=20 of the parts are not critical.

The ferrite cores are the blue = EPCOS = types, N30=20 material. Details are in the image. But you may use a FT140-77 = alternatively=20 and double the primary and secondary number of turns.

There are = many=20 alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N = you may try a=20 IRF1405. This=20 one has a lower on-resistance but a higher input capacity. Maybe it = works even=20 better, i didn't try to many parts. Switching times are not critical. = So you=20 need to find a compromise between low on resistance and input capacity = while=20 the Drain-Source voltage should be 55V for a 12V = supply.

Instead of RF=20 litz wire (i=20 use this one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D572= 06;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30=20 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what = you=20 have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less.

The overall = dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is quite = compact and=20 since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p tests. Also you = can of=20 course use more than 2 power steps by using a multi step switch and more = taps.

A=20 DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal = coming from a=20 HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the peak = input=20 voltage exceeds 5 Vp.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Yes, it=20 is nothing new and someone has done it = before!






Am=20 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT:=20
Hi again Stefan
 
The Litz is too, only by the Km or = 10Kg=20 reel.......... :@((
 
Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could = be=20 stranded up to make a synth?

 
73 es GL=20 Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
<= SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20 mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, = 28 June=20 2012, 10:22
Subject: Re:=20 LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/= 160818253496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Dite= m257183ceb8
Just over =C2=A35 a pop!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-= DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3D= item256f326077
Just over =C2=A36 a pop!
But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D = ferrite?  =20 =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0)
Chees Pete = FMT
   From: Jean-Pierre = M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Thursday, = 28 June=20 2012, 9:42
Subject: Re: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hello Stephan ,
Me too
73  , Jean-Pierre = F1AFJ =20



Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT = a=20 =C3=A9crit :
Hi Stephan
 
Me Too

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: = Thursday, 28 June=20 2012, 9:12
Subject: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

like
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe =
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM
Subject:=20 LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone = is interested=20 i may convert the=20 circuit from my mind into a schematic as = a png=20 file.
 
Always interested = ;-)
 
73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 = OR7T






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Set-up  is  running  = fine  with=20 the up-dated  eK4  driver.
 
Frequency off set on 145 MHz is round  6Khz
 
Q Is there a  calibration procedure to  null out = this =20 off  set??
 
I see  there is a  correction window in  HDSDR , = but =20 is this  correction  going  to  hold over the = tuning =20 range ?
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Rik, It wasn't my idea to call it 630m band. But i find the name useful. You also say 160m band and not 200m band. And you say 2200m band, not 2 km band. I think 2 significant numbers and 0 are correct. Like the code on resistors which is red red black black for a 2.2 kOhm resistor for example. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: a6b6ffaf48fdddf1ed5c25dc4bf03ee1 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 630m band Wikipedia site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:419154944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4fe590cb3ff5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror Hi Rik, It wasn't my idea to call it 630m band. But i find the name useful. You=20 also say 160m band and not 200m band. And you say 2200m band, not 2 km=20 band. I think 2 significant numbers and 0 are correct. Like the code on=20 resistors which is red red black black for a 2.2 kOhm resistor for exampl= e. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 23.06.2012 11:21, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > Stefan, all, > > why 630m band ? > Of course I know 600m =3D 500kHz, but we (hams) always tend to use roun= d number, eg: > 7MHz =3D 40m band and not 42m band (40m wavelenght =3D 7.5MHz). > The only HF band where the wavelenght given to it really falls inside t= he ham band is 80m (3,75MHz). > Let's just call it 600m ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: zaterdag 23 juni 2012 1:34 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: 630m band Wikipedia site > > MF, > > I just found a 630m band Wikipedia site in German, English and French > language: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/630-Meter-Band > > Google says the site i 4 days old :-) > Even a band plan is shown which seems to be preliminary... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 61DDC38000087; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SanTO-0006mI-TY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:30:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SanTO-0006m9-Bo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:30:26 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SanTM-0005NB-Ny for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:30:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d10 with ME id HQWP1j0070Lx2rm03QWPvX; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:30:24 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <3D4B0B405E7D41FEBDD5A548EB7DFF8A@AGB> In-Reply-To: <3D4B0B405E7D41FEBDD5A548EB7DFF8A@AGB> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:30:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Should decode with 2 watts ? G. 12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4998b3eda037fec4e885bebc9a2db934 Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD40C3.DD027AA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459449664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fca079519d6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD40C3.DD027AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Should decode with 2 watts ?=20 G. 12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB 11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial So far , so good ! G.. 11:54 500 M0FMT de M0FMT Op4 0 mi +6 dB in HITCHIN with 0w + LW up 35ft 11:54 500 M0FMT de PA0A Op4 288 mi -20 dB in Lucaswolde with 0w + LW up = 35ft 11:54 500 M0FMT de G4WGT Op4 149 mi -27 dB in IO83qo, nr Preston. with = 0w + LW u 11:54 500 M0FMT de G0NBD Op4 153 mi -27 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 deg = NO R From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:21 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD40C3.DD027AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Should  decode  with  2  watts  ? =
 
G.

12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB

11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:57 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

So far , so good !
 
G..

11:54 500 M0FMT de M0FMT Op4 0 mi +6 dB in HITCHIN with 0w + LW up = 35ft

11:54 500 M0FMT de PA0A Op4 288 mi -20 dB in Lucaswolde with 0w + LW = up=20 35ft

11:54 500 M0FMT de G4WGT Op4 149 mi -27 dB in IO83qo, nr Preston. = with 0w +=20 LW u

11:54 500 M0FMT de G0NBD Op4 153 mi -27 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 = deg NO=20 R

 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:21 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD40C3.DD027AA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 163CD38000098; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scd9X-00020n-Fs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:53:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scd9W-00020e-O8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:53:30 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scd9U-00020u-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:53:29 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsFALyx0E9cHYyS/2dsb2JhbAArGoVOmHEDlV2BCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDFjMCDxcGAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKIQICFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBhgCBbAMGCQcppWOJEROJSIsdhHqBEgONPYhyiWeFAYJggVYFBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,731,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="374667930" Received: from host-92-29-140-146.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.146]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 14:53:25 +0100 Message-ID: <001101cd44b4$e7635060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:53:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: There are several countries in EU active on 500 Khz CW at present. The info has been posted in the past when countries became active. Check the reflector daily for more info. G, GI, EA. ON, SQ, EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, LA OZ, 9H, PA0, S52, DL4, YO, OH, That is all that I remember working so far but maybe i have missed some, must check my log. These stations are all active on normal CW from around EU and there are others worldwide like W and VE plus others. de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e2b7e65dcf7cf6551ab81105a525fe0f Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD44B4.E7207B00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498564800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fd0b2967798 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD44B4.E7207B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are several countries in EU active on 500 Khz CW at present. The info has been posted in the past when countries became active. = Check the reflector daily for more info. G, GI, EA. ON, SQ, EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, LA OZ, 9H, PA0, S52, DL4, YO, = OH,=20 That is all that I remember working so far but maybe i have missed some, = must check my log. These stations are all active on normal CW from = around EU and there are others worldwide like W and VE plus others. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: manginbenoit.pro=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) granting = MF access to the amateur service so fast ? We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our = tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. 73 Ben=20 > Message du 07/06/12 13:16 > De : "mal hamilton"=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > Stefan > I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also EI0CF many = times during > the winter months. > I work QSO mode only and no beacons. > I have also had some QSO'S with Russian stations, they call me on = 7033 and I > reply on 502 normally although I have vfo control. > I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 but not SLOWER > When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will end next = January > Mal/g3kev >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > To:=20 > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz >=20 >=20 > > Hi Joe, LF, > > > > Yes, we're here of course :-) > > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made = and vy > > narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. > > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to = them when > > the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an = extended > > frequency range then or will you have to QSY? > > And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA = detection? > > Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km = distance? > > It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, = however > > with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a = problem... > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: > > > > > > Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... > > > > > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and > > > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. > > > > > > 73 > > > Joe VO1NA > > > > > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and = conditions at > > > > = http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.p= hp > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD44B4.E7207B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
There are several countries in EU active on 500 = Khz CW at=20 present.
The info has been posted in the past  when = countries=20 became active. Check the reflector daily for more info.
G, GI,  EA. ON, SQ, EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, LA = OZ, 9H,=20 PA0, S52, DL4, YO, OH,
That is all that I remember working so far but = maybe i=20 have missed some, must check my log. These stations are all active on = normal CW=20 from around EU and there are others worldwide like W and VE plus=20 others.
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 manginbenoit.pro =
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 = 11:49=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 = kHz

Are there other EU countries (apart from the British = Isles)=20 granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ?

We in = France=20 still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our tutelage = administration.=20 Or maybe am I not well=20 informed.

73

Ben 




>=20 Message du 07/06/12 13:16
> De : "mal hamilton"
> A : = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
>=20 Copie =C3=A0 :
> Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 = kHz
>
>=20 Stefan
> I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also = EI0CF=20 many times during
> the winter months.
> I work QSO mode = only=20 and no beacons.
> I have also had some QSO'S with Russian = stations,=20 they call me on 7033 and I
> reply on 502 normally although I = have vfo=20 control.
> I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 = but not=20 SLOWER
> When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will = end next=20 January
> Mal/g3kev
>
>
> ----- Original = Message=20 -----
> From: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"
> To:
> = Sent: Thursday,=20 June 07, 2012 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 = kHz
>=20
>
> > Hi Joe, LF,
> >
> > Yes, = we're here=20 of course :-)
> > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on = MF. My RX=20 is home made and vy
> > narrow band. But i'm going to have = a=20 suitable RX in some time.
> > BTW, what about all the 500 = kHz=20 allocations. What happens to them when
> > the new 475 kHz = band=20 becomes permitted? Will you have an extended
> > frequency = range=20 then or will you have to QSY?
> > And what about the = chances of=20 this band? How easy is a TA detection?
> > Would it be = possible to=20 have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance?
> > It would be = possible=20 for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however
> > with a = 1W=20 (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem...
>=20 >
> > 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> >
> >
> = > Am=20 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:
> > >
> = > >=20 Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa....
> > = >
>=20 > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID = and
>=20 > > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed.
> >=20 >
> > > 73
> > > Joe VO1NA
> >=20 >
> > > This electronic communication is governed by = the=20 terms and conditions at
> > >
>=20 = http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.p= hp
>=20 > >
> >
>
>
>=20
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD44B4.E7207B00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0E5D838000088; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 04:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiLNV-00018k-O3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:07:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiLNV-00018b-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:07:33 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiLNT-0004wr-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:07:32 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEKAFZ45U9cHnaZ/2dsb2JhbABFtDsDgSmBCIITBQEBBQgBAQMlASMCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfrlsizCBE4FTgxwDjUqXY4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,463,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="390715504" Received: from host-92-30-118-153.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.118.153]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jun 2012 09:07:30 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01cd5117$3b4b9840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE4E966.6060703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE4EDA1.1050809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 08:07:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan Will join in when I get time. At this time of year I am very busy outside also holidays. LF is also good at this time of year not only in winter. MF is also good in summer although there is more static about but manageable. Middle of the night is good for DX You are doing well with the DX 73 es gl de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: Re: LF: RN3AUS grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:518254048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad14fe5798f0bc4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan Will join in when I get time. At this time of year I am very busy outside also holidays. LF is also good at this time of year not only in winter. MF is also good in summer although there is more static about but manageable. Middle of the night is good for DX You are doing well with the DX 73 es gl de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: RN3AUS grabber Mal, Join in!! Summer acty in the motto of the evening! The sunshine time cannot be longer in the year. This is good for local LF propagation :-) Am 22.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Stefan Schfer: > Hi Alex, > > I just started the TX. Can you transmit as well? > Looking forward to see some traces, hopefully i'm coming through... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 85BAA38000085; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBG5-0007q3-Ln for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:54:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBG5-0007pu-5u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:54:17 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbBG3-0001WQ-Me for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:54:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p548D15DC.dip.t-dialin.net [84.141.21.220]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LaU9f-1S8wzS2KlD-00lyB0; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:54:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB6C85.8060809@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:54:13 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><4FCB4FAE.5070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <005301cd4186$b18cf300$1502a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <005301cd4186$b18cf300$1502a8c0@Clemens04> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:bL61fciTeAY44hUi4MsX2oZm7wZ1Aasyp4m4hpMNTfW iQGidNjDqwP2sdTbVHSTiislS8OqRWpkvlfAAGhCYJWyw6CfWZ xY35Wi/QS3h9x3M8WvoOmwQs+0T7zAKl56woDWZCSU/kRkQaz4 pxDwnEil2P1DJabEoKPgwJL9aiVM75BjiJ7UPxGhe83py1XxTS P/6HCJXqVjokAc1qfiJryath5CecFGyNw4grFaD4QbMkAcKv7f XroTJBwEqLxNx9q4il1YbTT7R9NCX8PDZ08gtPrhMukL4vd6WM HdROKKkwY7FwdnXpX9PxwCS9z0aUuuH/5mh/F2pRvG2dgPlF7Y rFh4S82isgwASzoi+uZoNs+VUSpFmJQKkw98hx72D X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Clemens, You wrote: > ... > Actually it would seem typically German to rehash arguments ad infinitum > but nothing changes. > The change has been made,"fertig". >... Actually it would seem typically German to ignore arguments ad nauseam. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:357766496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064fcb6cbf1a3c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Clemens, You wrote: > ... > Actually it would seem typically German to rehash arguments ad infinitum > but nothing changes. > The change has been made,"fertig". >... Actually it would seem typically German to ignore arguments ad nauseam. In other words: I never saw any "advantages" or "new features" there at Yapoo which I cannot do better under my own control. At Yapoo we cannot say to robots: "User-agent: *; Disallow: /" I'm claiming for the right which of my postings and image links are being "googleable" or not. Can you guarantee this at Yapoo? What next? Fiesbook? "Like-Button", "Dislike-Button"? Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DE10F380026BD; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh2o8-0004yx-1Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:05:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh2o7-0004yo-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:05:39 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh2o4-0005SN-I1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:05:38 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAIy+4E9cHY3C/2dsb2JhbABFtWmBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDBA0EAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd+uXGLL4J+gxsDiBCFNJdegmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,438,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="376348715" Received: from host-92-29-141-194.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.141.194]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 19:05:34 +0100 Message-ID: <008a01cd4e46$1eaace00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:05:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Everything is made of straw !!!! even my HAT made in Malaya, designer label 9M2CC Is there another material ???????? G3KEV/9M2CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.2 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01CD4E46.1E4B6FF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453978656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fe0bfb61a1d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01CD4E46.1E4B6FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Everything is made of straw !!!! even my HAT made in Malaya, designer = label 9M2CC Is there another material ???????? =20 G3KEV/9M2CC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw??? 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01CD4E46.1E4B6FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Everything is made of straw !!!! even my HAT = made in=20 Malaya, designer label 9M2CC  Is there another material=20  ???????? 
G3KEV/9M2CC
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 5:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay = 034

Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of=20 straw???

73, Stefan

Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal = hamilton:=20
Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST
 
g3kev
------=_NextPart_000_0087_01CD4E46.1E4B6FF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0A1573800009B; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si22O-00057x-TS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:28:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si22O-00057o-Fm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:28:28 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si22M-0003Xe-N8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:28:27 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.16]) by mwinf5d26 with ME id RPUR1j0030LrbAy03PUR2p; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:28:26 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4388E8F39C5@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> <1340272951.77171.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <004001cd5068$9d123750$d736a5f0$@com> In-Reply-To: <004001cd5068$9d123750$d736a5f0$@com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:28:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120622-0, 22/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes I noticed the qrk is starting to increase .... G. From: Terry GW0EZY Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Newsky DVB-T dongle [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f9f85a03ab18710b130c40acc03380f0 Subject: Re: LF: Newsky DVB-T dongle Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD5072.84F401D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425552480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4fe457121ac0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD5072.84F401D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I noticed the qrk is starting to increase .... G. From: Terry GW0EZY=20 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Newsky DVB-T dongle I see someone in Northampton UK is selling on eBay the Newsky DVB-T = dongle + SDR software for 21.50 GBP inc shipping. The same dongle is = also available on eBay for less than 14 GBP including shipping. You can = download all the SDR software for free (including how-to-set-up videos) = from the links supplied by Pete M0FMT. =20 73 Terry GW0EZY =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD5072.84F401D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes  I noticed  the  qrk  is   = starting =20 to  increase  ....
 
G.

Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:17 PM
Subject: LF: Newsky DVB-T dongle

I=20 see someone in Northampton UK is selling on eBay the Newsky DVB-T dongle = + SDR=20 software for 21.50 GBP inc shipping. The same dongle is also available = on eBay=20 for less than 14 GBP including shipping. You can download all the SDR = software=20 for free (including how-to-set-up videos) from the links supplied by = Pete=20 M0FMT.

 

73=20 Terry  GW0EZY

 

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Content preview: Thanks Gary Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Gary G4WGT Verzonden: vrijdag 8 juni 2012 19:54 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.134.42.55 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 87966b345956c8ef3389b993f6a18f4e Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:418111200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fd243b53d12 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thanks Gary Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Gary G4WGT Verzonden: vrijdag 8 juni 2012 19:54 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity Hi Victor, This should do it, ROS & Opera here. http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ 73, Gary - G4WGT. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E72B1380000C2; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SinTo-0005xB-9t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:07:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SinTn-0005wp-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:07:55 +0100 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SinTm-00020g-7I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:07:54 +0100 Received: by wejx9 with SMTP id x9so4380327wej.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:07:53 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=R7MXQ2N7/od3NzCcJleVzciTJaj4+GrnEmurKvKwFwA=; b=By3QUkA+P1Gow1IxMGbStouFiZgi8YMWcSNBtwMFcr0bpM75EnMV+BAI6fTeO8RUOB J0DOz4VK/E4lEYWttVnkpA4mCWQWCn3oeGmCrDI0VvnOPRPG7SrIifqrPcmDj5azHnk2 NgsvbWBMeZ58GwKGxPtME5bMN5vp75qeC1cHlRvnlqZC0N4x5EHHgIZqEYAZjX6z3JCu Iq0zFm3ptCqy4Ay47tuVtHmCS5tk4q8UAStYFXO6hey0xlNi/l1hL0z53twjISnOi/RE lmoIAvuLyDOGcywmfBiz9B2+bU8Hk2V5LfxamnSZnAvHM+eivYvuOmJgNHh3D6dC1buR Qxtg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.144.139 with SMTP id n11mr4306485wej.30.1340546873670; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:07:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04> References: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:07:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hi Clemens, Interesting site, thanks for the link! 73 Warren On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Clemens Paul wrote: > Hi Warren, > > perhaps you might might find something suitable there: > http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm > > They have - among other stuff - split stator cap. kits up to > 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). > > You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator > capacitor, > so you maybe could realize other values. > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: "rsgb_lf_group" > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM > Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? > > > Hello the list, > Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester > which now has taken over Jackson Bros? > I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced > link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > ----- > E-Mail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5088 - Ausgabedatum: 23.06.2012 > > > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 8556389a5ea14fbbf9b9d801ab70c592 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:504899424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d259.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fe71f64188c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Clemens, Interesting site, thanks for the link! 73 Warren On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Clemens Paul wrote: > Hi Warren, > > perhaps you might might find something suitable there: > http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm > > They have - among other stuff - =A0split stator cap. kits up to > 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). > > You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator > capacitor, > so you maybe could realize other values. > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: "rsgb_lf_group" > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM > Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? > > > Hello the list, > =A0Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester > which now has taken over Jackson Bros? > I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced > link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > ----- > E-Mail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5088 - Ausgabedatum: 23.06.20= 12 > > > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ABD28380000A8; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjb1O-0006vD-Ji for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:01:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjb1O-0006v4-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:01:54 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjb1M-0000Bc-Np for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:01:53 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjQOAJkG6k9cF/VA/2dsb2JhbABEg0GdEQOULgOBLoEIghMUAQEDSQIsAggCAQYBHTkBBBoGHAgdAQICAQGHfpd1oXCMEDKEeQOIF4U2l2iCXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,480,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="39924554" Received: from host-92-23-245-64.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.245.64]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2012 20:01:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:01:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on this band I can hear ur CQ on 472.5 de mal/g3kev I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on this band [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: LF: oz7foc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD53CE.22FBAD20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:340648192:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41094fea078363d9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD53CE.22FBAD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on this band I can hear ur CQ on 472.5=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD53CE.22FBAD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to = be=20 listening on this band
I can hear ur CQ on 472.5
 
 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD53CE.22FBAD20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5370738000091; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShzZc-0004RR-Aj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:50:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShzZb-0004RI-Uc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:50:35 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShzZa-0001hH-GM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:50:34 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkAKAJUx5E9cF/ZW/2dsb2JhbABFoBYDlBwDgSmBCIITFAEBA0kCIQsCCAIBBgECGzkBBBoGJB0BAgIBAYd+ujCLfoUyA4gUhTaXY4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,457,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542698716" Received: from host-92-23-246-86.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.86]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 2012 09:50:16 +0100 Message-ID: <001001cd5054$0b06c380$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:50:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: SA beacon strong this morning between 472/479. but no amateur acty. SA not hrd yesterday de mal/g3kev SA beacon strong this morning between 472/479. but no amateur acty. SA not hrd yesterday [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: LF: SA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD5054.0AA76570" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:199354816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fe4322b2e39 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD5054.0AA76570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SA beacon strong this morning between 472/479. but no amateur acty. SA = not hrd yesterday de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD5054.0AA76570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
SA beacon strong this morning between = 472/479.  but=20 no amateur acty. SA not hrd yesterday
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD5054.0AA76570-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EFA3638000093; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si1rr-000500-EL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:17:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si1rq-0004zr-VP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:17:34 +0100 Received: from mail-ey0-f171.google.com ([209.85.215.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si1rp-0003Oy-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:17:33 +0100 Received: by eaaa12 with SMTP id a12so937755eaa.16 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :x-gm-message-state; bh=Vu4iNYPUivhsgejOInTJ6NEqbF1hral6mO4p/XNfkhg=; b=fdP0sRjqV3Yrank3xHXGvAKjTAw+p34PX8sIq4EzBpLjmp9e3mpjQfawYE8GMaZdUg rBw0HDMAFHJIRpKsHq4DcDdq8EbeZz8xPF5s2QnfwLrtpy3ku1YSmCWSEf3iy9mm4Wlv Wus1vRmY278fnu6IlD46x56ttIBNG4uofVWaC2IHUj7lmVih02sinB2I6xz09jEJQ15T iQh7VdscADweS7Tz8rqcbuOmhDkdi9idCA9fRn45+NRNziyHmm4okeSdpVFyChp9aQm2 qpZqR/wopTM5h8WLUSBBXTHvUVTt+WTRPdtqHiA7Sjyl7yif2O2R36dPnuy0LHBoD3x7 DNEA== Received: by 10.14.188.140 with SMTP id a12mr351887een.25.1340363851819; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.188.140 with SMTP id a12mr351883een.25.1340363851620; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Win7Pro (host81-132-147-218.range81-132.btcentralplus.com. [81.132.147.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y12sm111797403eem.7.2012.06.22.04.17.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry GW0EZY To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4388E8F39C5@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> <1340272951.77171.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340272951.77171.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:17:28 +0100 Message-ID: <004001cd5068$9d123750$d736a5f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1PlXhDZS2Xd6ZfS52QPRhXba+BhgA0eDuw Content-Language: en-gb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnJ6g/ZGv1g8e/SYEbJxCBXnFZ4AbCRHrKB0NI719qk8vZzwQgdwBPGFoTKhDrbPd94EbPtl16bCDGndL/pvArROaoe0SgfrCZZkGxek7uNAixgScUZQl8glxchQiK0iqS40awPzaNiXtr1l+qNQoIWosA8I9KKH07u2VFW/MuYCw+ZTY8= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I see someone in Northampton UK is selling on eBay the Newsky DVB-T dongle + SDR software for 21.50 GBP inc shipping. The same dongle is also available on eBay for less than 14 GBP including shipping. You can download all the SDR software for free (including how-to-set-up videos) from the links supplied by Pete M0FMT. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.215.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e5f33499c82e559d1cf2f25253946608 Subject: LF: Newsky DVB-T dongle Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5070.FED69F50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:288097984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d302.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64fe454840a16 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5070.FED69F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see someone in Northampton UK is selling on eBay the Newsky DVB-T = dongle + SDR software for 21.50 GBP inc shipping. The same dongle is = also available on eBay for less than 14 GBP including shipping. You can = download all the SDR software for free (including how-to-set-up videos) = from the links supplied by Pete M0FMT. =20 73 Terry GW0EZY =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5070.FED69F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I see someone in Northampton UK is selling on eBay the Newsky DVB-T = dongle + SDR software for 21.50 GBP inc shipping. The same dongle is = also available on eBay for less than 14 GBP including shipping. You can = download all the SDR software for free (including how-to-set-up videos) = from the links supplied by Pete M0FMT.

 

73 Terry =C2=A0GW0EZY

 

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5070.FED69F50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C3754380000A7; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlOn-0000kz-GI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:42:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlOm-0000kq-RK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:42:28 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShlOk-0001XC-4R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:42:27 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAERc409cHYJ5/2dsb2JhbAArGoJFgxOaLgOVSYEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMWJg0CJgYBAQMFAgEBAhEEAQEKIQICFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBCgSHXgMGCQcppnCTAIpLY4ULgRIDjUiSZAOEfIJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,452,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395641059" Received: from host-92-29-130-121.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.130.121]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2012 18:42:23 +0100 Message-ID: <00d401cd4fd5$373745d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <00c801cd4fcd$164011c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:42:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ps My cardbus is a Freecom TV and radio receiver but I cannot find any spec for it anywhere. Freq range etc It would be interesting to see how far down it actually went in freq, or even how far up. I could build a suitable up converter to cover LF/MF De mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b266e01efe570cc7cc73d9fd75b218c3 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D1_01CD4FD5.36F49780" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444680640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fe35d4720d7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01CD4FD5.36F49780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ps My cardbus is a Freecom TV and radio receiver but I cannot find any spec = for it anywhere. Freq range etc It would be interesting to see how far down it actually went in freq, or = even how far up. I could build a suitable up converter to cover LF/MF De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Pete I have a DVB-T cardbus and I expect this would also work maybe better = than the usb stick. Do not know what the chipset is de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long = they will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app = and ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with = RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from = UK source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter = 60meg O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator = 5v into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no = sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the = USB supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 = http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR = software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the = programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting = software for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to = get started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link = to sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a = regular transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time = to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01CD4FD5.36F49780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
ps
My cardbus is a Freecom TV and radio receiver = but I cannot=20 find any spec for it  anywhere. Freq range etc
It would be interesting to see how far down it = actually=20 went in freq, or even how far up. I could build a suitable up converter = to cover=20 LF/MF
De mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 4:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

Pete
I have a DVB-T cardbus and I expect this would = also work=20 maybe better than the usb stick. Do not know what the chipset = is
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, = 2012 6:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

Hi=20 all
Save=20 those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around.=20 Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP = DLL using=20  ultra-cheap=20 Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB = stick.
These=20 DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK = source and cover=20 about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the = cheap way=20 or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or = similar=20 block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC = to UHF=20 coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.=20
Oh=20 and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with=20 record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough=20 all your local FM BC as well.  Not a lot of people know=20 that!
URLs=20 apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
https://= www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6dd= o/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You=20 won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. = :0)
Yy=20 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, = 20 June=20 2012, 18:40
Subject: Re:=20 LF: SDR programs

Hi Piotr,

Thanks for the = overview of programs. That's what i searched for.
But maybe i = have=20 expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for = a mono=20 input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on = usable=20 for both, IQ and mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL = teachers (Wolf=20 or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would = prefer=20 that i think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi Stefan,=20 LF
>
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The = primary=20 supporting software for all their sdr  hardware is = Spectravue.
>=20 you can download this program from the rfspace site:
> =
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult=20 to get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it = you=20 will like it:)
>
> on a "support" page of = www.rfspace.com =20 you will also find a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
>
>  = they have=20 a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular transceiver = front=20 side
>  It has many many different options - of course, = it does=20 take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather = easy..
>=20
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and=20 easy to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr = software supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such = collection=20 of sdr programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                =  =20                   =    =20                   =    =20           yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
> =
>=20 qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
>
>=20 =



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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, You should buy a loong CAT5 cable (twisted pairs) and feed the speaker and key lines outside to the BBQ! Then you can call CQ and rotate the suckling pig to the same time! 100m cable length should be no problem, although the rise time of the CW impulses could be a bit longer due to the cable C ;-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: a44b221381f32eba3e5127fadf77bc3d Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050201000804050308040609" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:483383200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41094fe73324176e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050201000804050308040609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5OFVx4Q001901 Mal, You should buy a loong CAT5 cable (twisted pairs) and feed the speaker=20 and key lines outside to the BBQ! Then you can call CQ and rotate the=20 suckling pig to the same time! 100m cable length should be no problem,=20 although the rise time of the CW impulses could be a bit longer due to=20 the cable C ;-) 73, Stefan Am 24.06.2012 17:20, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > I only work LF and MF CW around EU and only use QRSS for DX when=20 > necessary. > I also get many private emails about activities on LF/MF from those=20 > who do not want to be reflector members and there are PLENTY > I get more reports and comments privately than via the reflector. > There were 3 stations active this morning on MF and NONE are reflector=20 > members !!! I have worked them many times on cw > This is a busy time of year for me outside also BBQ'S etc but the wx=20 > has been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ yesterday evening. > The Moscow grabber is useful and I was visible early last nite around=20 > 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening up. > later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 for me but I went QRT=20 > getting too late and I am always in the shack when the TX is on > always hoping for a QSO > NO Beacon > 73 de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: QUIET LF > > > Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton: >> At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but >> few are listening or transmitting. > I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these > days i think... > >> even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off > My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for you, sri ;-) > >> Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have >> advantages. >> Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all >> of Germany would be calling. > I'm not in Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, > like in the last evenings. > > BTW i got several reports by email from people who aren't member > of the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for > home constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many > newcomers on the band. We have to supply them by beeing QSO > partners so stay tuned.. > I'm going to play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to > become a full size dipole for 630m :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > >> de mal/g3kev > --------------050201000804050308040609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal,

You should  buy a loong CAT5 cable (twisted pairs) and feed the speaker and key lines outside to the BBQ! Then you can call CQ and rotate the suckling pig to the same time! 100m cable length should be no problem, although the rise time of the CW impulses could be a bit longer due to the cable C ;-)

73, Stefan

Am 24.06.2012 17:20, schrieb mal hamilton:
Stefan
I only work LF and MF CW around EU and only use QRSS for DX when necessary.
I also get many private emails about activities on LF/MF from those who do not want to be reflector members and there are PLENTY
I get more reports and comments privately than via the reflector.
There were 3 stations active this morning on MF and NONE are reflector members !!!  I have worked them many times on cw
This is a busy time of year for me outside also BBQ'S etc but the wx has been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ yesterday evening.
The Moscow grabber is useful and I was visible early last nite around 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening up.
later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 for me but I went QRT getting too late and I am always in the shack when the TX is on
always hoping for a QSO
NO Beacon
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF


Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton:
At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few are listening or transmitting.
 
I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these days i think...

even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off
My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for you, sri ;-)

Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have advantages.
Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all of Germany would be calling.
I'm not in Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, like in the last evenings.

BTW i got several reports by email from people who aren't member of the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for home constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many newcomers on the band. We have to supply them by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned..
I'm going to play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to become a full size dipole for 630m :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


 
de mal/g3kev
 
--------------050201000804050308040609-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2598A380000A1; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjf4g-0007dk-Ey for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:21:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjf4d-0007db-4i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:21:31 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjf4b-00015A-PW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:21:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5QNLR24025158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:21:28 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QNLRuh002466 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:21:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEA4388.1070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:19:36 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <36D642DC20944A339A77B05805C821AF@Extensa> <4FE9AB62.1040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8891F24A59404592B6BD262BA56C74E2@Extensa> In-Reply-To: <8891F24A59404592B6BD262BA56C74E2@Extensa> Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080804040100000709040508" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,UPPERCASE_25_50,WEIRD_QUOTING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81763 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:455293824:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194fea444d5ce7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080804040100000709040508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5QNLR24025158 Peter, That looks very much like SAQ! Very typical. Maybe you can even hear the=20 tone between the CW keying (don't know how to describe better, it has a=20 special name). This is possible here with my active antenna for VLF. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.06.2012 23:18, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hello Stefan, all... > If this was SAQ tonight between 17 and 19h UTC, then it is time for=20 > them to QRPp :-) > I'm able to listen with Spectrum Lab or with SAQrx by Johan Bodin, SM6L= KM. > I tried to catch SAQ last year with a small passive loop, but no luck. > Is the SAQ TX frequency always unstable like last evening with 100 Hz=20 > drift (if that was SAQ) > Best 73's, Peter. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... > > Hi Peter, > > You will surely have audible reception at that QTH. Must be > suitable for light-beam CW too :-) > Are you prepared to listen? > > 73, Stefan > > Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: >> Hello ! >> http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg >> >> The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - Appingedam - JO33kh >> VLF graber: http://www.qsl.net/pa1sdb/ >> SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blog.htm >> > --------------080804040100000709040508 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------060002010208040505020707" --------------060002010208040505020707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter,

That looks very much like SAQ! Very typical. Maybe you can even hear the tone between the CW keying (don't know how to describe better, it has a special name). This is possible here with my active antenna for VLF.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 26.06.2012 23:18, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter:
Hello Stefan, all...
 
If this was SAQ tonight between 17 and 19h UTC, then it is time for them to QRPp :-)
I'm able to listen with Spectrum Lab or with SAQrx by Johan Bodin, SM6LKM.
I tried to catch SAQ last year with a small passive loop, but no luck.
Is the SAQ TX frequency always unstable like last evening with 100 Hz drift (if that was SAQ)
 
Best 73's, Peter.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here...

Hi Peter,

You will surely have audible reception at that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-)
Are you prepared to listen?

73, Stefan

Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter:
Hello !
 
 
The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - Appingedam - JO33kh
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK, many thanks to the group for feedbacks 73 D. Da: Stefan Schäfer A: Mercoledì 13 Giugno 2012 23:14 Oggetto: Re: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF Hi Daniele, [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.67 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: Re: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-67346210-1527579566-1339651899=:24853" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450586080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m271.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fd977b54d54 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---67346210-1527579566-1339651899=:24853 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, many thanks to the group for feedbacks=0A73=0AD.=0A =0A=0A_____________= ___________________=0A Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: Mercoled=EC 13 Giugn= o 2012 23:14=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF=0A = =0A=0A =0AHi Daniele, =0A=0AI didn't study all the details that graph is of= fering but from the=0Arecent reports of my beacon signal from YO/4X1RF and = RN3AGC i can=0Aconfirm that there are nights in June that are at least as g= ood as=0Anights in December! At least in that range, < 3000 km.=0A=0A73, St= efan=0A=0A=0A=0AAm 13.06.2012 22:08, schrieb Daniele Tincani: =0A=0A>=0A>He= llo LF, =0A>=0A>looking at this very interesting graph: =0A>=0A>http://df3l= p.de/misc/hga22/ =0A>=0A>my understanding is that summer nights - though sh= orter than=0Awinter ones - could be better for reception of LF signals in t= erms of=0Asignal strenght. Is this conclusion correct? =0A>=0A>Thanks =0A>7= 3 =0A>D. =0A> ---67346210-1527579566-1339651899=:24853 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK, many thanks to the group for feedbacks
73
D.

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Da:= Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><= br> A: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Inviato: Me= rcoled=EC 13 Giugno 2012 23:14
Oggetto: R= e: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF

=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A
=0AHi Daniele,
=0A
=0AI didn't study a= ll the details that graph is offering but from the=0Arecent reports of my b= eacon signal from YO/4X1RF and RN3AGC i can=0Aconfirm that there are nights= in June that are at least as good as=0Anights in December! At least in tha= t range, < 3000 km.
=0A
=0A73, Stefan
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=0AA= m 13.06.2012 22:08, schrieb Daniele Tincani:=0A
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Hello LF,
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looking at this very interesting graph:
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my understanding is that summer nights - though shorter than=0A= winter ones - could be better for reception of LF signals in terms of=0Asig= nal strenght. Is this conclusion correct?
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=0A <= div>Thanks
=0A
73
=0A
D.
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---67346210-1527579566-1339651899=:24853-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1515E3800055A; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdoW2-0004oB-9c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:13:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdoW1-0004o2-KY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:13:37 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdoVz-0001MO-Bp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:13:36 +0100 Received: from unknown-00-26-08-f6-6f-9b.home (host86-170-19-210.range86-170.btcentralplus.com [86.170.19.210]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LvhpU-1RsFGL42ns-017hyh; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:13:34 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Clive Lorton X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <006601cd473d$d4da5cf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:13:33 +0100 Message-Id: <0AE0F5F0-4E73-42A7-B7D4-8EAA5DD84524@thelortons.co.uk> References: <004201cd4730$cc020860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57131D54FA1241D8BBE53212C31F7BF0@Shack> <006601cd473d$d4da5cf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:2qkOUctezUgEgkVFOeFsdzPp7ismByj5rKVflMIeyHq fWmRWRS/eR50ZNITzTaGpGFJu0bAdA+/po/ohk0iUa1CEIRU8E Bhto1X+wnSy81nx0vgtjLTb3H9VNaUioZ7ZE2GDF7ceUPVUgdS y+do9L2XJlqOxloUVs0Zal6GK7UtTZhcwh/+YiOPvnGqkgDN5B TknTsSX1YIXy/kKSevBIIxLuzrNiPTkKNyvvQPJx+B1b5eX0QJ Hn4ktKlo7LRjJLEbTQgTQEW9mOasHwZk0g5Uvv+3RuTiTs2bo4 K8JtCHtlqIjDeagvITKAflz7WXb+etWDwGbblEAi4G00YLg8W2 jKPUvbOdxziIKKQ+wF+osmwTUX6p76l1LB8QEKG0hjm1VKNWkR YL0dP7fmkoLVf7lMR+2crFhvbHDLika1MugnqMQ/WGZln1N30q +IvCp X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, you have Yahoo sussed to be able to read the results. But only 2 - G3's voted. What a shame… Still listining Still lurking Cliveg g8poc [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fbdd513523001863775249cfaf215eac Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Votes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1130D5EA-98B5-41E6-A30F-C85913C03F8D" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460693728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fd5003a6dfb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail=_1130D5EA-98B5-41E6-A30F-C85913C03F8D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mal, you have Yahoo sussed to be able to read the results. But only 2 - = G3's voted. What a shame=85 Still listining Still lurking Cliveg g8poc=20 On 10 Jun 2012, at 20:18, mal hamilton wrote: > Ok Tony > But two thirds of the members did not vote, > g3kev > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:15 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Votes >=20 > 70% Yahoo > 10% Black Sheep > 19% Continue with both > =20 > No idea who the other 1% is ;-) > =20 > Tony, EI8JK > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM > Subject: LF: Votes >=20 > Well > Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many = voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to = go. > g3kev > =20 --Apple-Mail=_1130D5EA-98B5-41E6-A30F-C85913C03F8D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Mal, = you have Yahoo sussed to be able to read the results. But only 2 - G3's = voted.
What a shame=85

Still listining = Still lurking

Cliveg = g8poc 

On 10 Jun 2012, at 20:18, mal = hamilton wrote:

Ok = Tony
But two thirds of the members = did not vote,
g3kev
 
----- Original Message = -----
From: Tony

To: rsgb
 Sunday, = June 10, 2012 5:45 PM
Subject: LF: = Votes

Well
Only 57 votes = and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. = This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to = go.
g3kev
 

= --Apple-Mail=_1130D5EA-98B5-41E6-A30F-C85913C03F8D-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 56E62380000A0; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShTyJ-0005HA-5P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:05:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShTyH-0005H1-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:05:57 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShTyD-0007Ji-N5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:05:56 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5KN5qGX015096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:05:52 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5KN5qI8022408 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:05:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE256E6.8050203@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:04:06 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE22BB6.1080100@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4FE22BB6.1080100@usa.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, LF, Thanks to the fast help of DF6NM my SpecLab configuration allows now to move the filter center frequency over the MF band by using the mouse (also LF and any band of course). I attach my USR file in case someone want to try the function and adapt it to his own setup. This is very comfortable now and easily allows to move on a frequency of interest while having the complete band overview all the time. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT Fill in a short form with personal information X-Scan-Signature: e3ba1fc5452872623ef3f1fc0e9389b1 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030009010500070004030802" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81619 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438057408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fe25785741e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030009010500070004030802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MF, LF, Thanks to the fast help of DF6NM my SpecLab configuration allows now to move the filter center frequency over the MF band by using the mouse (also LF and any band of course). I attach my USR file in case someone want to try the function and adapt it to his own setup. This is very comfortable now and easily allows to move on a frequency of interest while having the complete band overview all the time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------030009010500070004030802 Content-Type: text/plain; name="472...479+500...503.USR" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="472...479+500...503.USR" [ABOUT] Info1=Configuration file for Spectrum Lab Info2=Compilation date Apr 4 2011 MenuText=CW mit Loop InfoText= [GENERAL] UseRelativePaths=1 LockWindows=0 EnableDDE=0 DebugFlags=0 PrefRxAudioCenterFreq=-1 PrefTxAudioCenterFreq=-1 FrequencyListFile=frequencies\default.txt [SOUNDCARD] SampleRate=96000 UseDifferentOutputSR=0 ResampleToNominalOutputSR=0 NominalOutputSampleRate=11025 BitsPerSample=16 SampleRateDivisor=1 ResampleQuality1=1 ExternalAudioOptions=0 [AUDIO_VIA_IP] Options=0 RcvFromPort=1024 SendToPort=1024 RcvFromIp=192.168.0.200 SendToIp=192.168.0.200 [AUDIO_FILE_IO] ConsADCactive=0 ConsADCfile=audio.dat CmdToStartADCfile=SndInput.exe /sr=11025 /ch=1 /chunk=512 /minsize=512 CmdToStopADCfile=SndInput.exe /quit ProdDACactive=0 MaxServerFileSizeKb=64 ProdDACfile=testaudio CmdToStartDACfile= CmdToStopDACfile= DuplicateAudioForOutput=0 RcvAudioViaCopydata=0 SendAudioViaCopydata=0 SendCopydataTo= AdcFullScaleInputVoltage=1 AdcInputImpedance=600 [SDR] NcoFreqHz=10700000 Options=0 TestToneFreq=0 Left=-1 Top=-1 Width=-1 Height=-1 Visible=0 FormStyle=-1 [SDR_IQ] Enabled=0 RadioType=0 FilterNr=3 RFgain_dB=0 IFgain_dB=24 RefFrequency=198000 FftCompensationFile= [PERSEUS] BitstreamNr=0 RFgain_dB=-10 PreselectorNr=11 RefFrequency=198000 FftCompensationFile= [SR_CALIBRATOR] Enabled=0 MeasureOnly=0 Algorithm=1 ConnectTo=1 MinRefAmpl=-80 RefFrequency=15625 RefPeriodicity=0 UpdateCycle=10 CalibBandwidth=1 MaxOffset_ppm=5 Averages=200 ScopeOpt=0 [FO_CALIBRATOR] Enabled=0 ConnectTo=1 MinRefAmpl=-60 RefFrequency=2000 CalibBandwidth=10 MaxFreqOffset=10 Averages=200 [WAVE_ANALYSIS] PlayInLoops=1 StopAnalyzerOnEOF=1 ReconnectBrokenStreams=0 PlayUpsampled=1 WaveAnalysisSp=1 WaveAnalysisScMode=0 WaveAnalysisOptions=0 WaveAnalysisNumThreads=1 WaveAnalysisRawDataType=2 WaveAnalysisRawTypeFlags=0 WaveAnalysisRawNChannels=0 WaveAnalysisRawFileSampleRate=11025 [WAVE_SAVE] Downsampled=0 SampleRate=4000 BitsPerSample=16 AsComplexPairs=0 CenterFrequency=0 WaveFileFormat=2 WaveSaveFileMode=2 InfoInHeader=1 MaxFileSize=1400 Flags=0 FileIndex=0 TrigRecorderFile=RecordedAudio_nnnn.WAV TrigRecorderFileMode=0 PreTrigSeconds=5 PostTrigSeconds=5 [SpectrumPlayer] Options=0 LoopMode=0 Gain_dB=0 FinMin=0 FinMax=3000 FoutMin=0 [SOUND_THREAD] StartSoundThread=1 StartSoundInput=1 StartSoundOutput=1 StartSignalGenerator=0 SignalGeneratorUnits=0 StartDigitalFilter=1 DigitalFilterBypass=2 FreeRunningSpeedPcnt=100 StereoProcessing=0 MinimizeLatency=0 ChainBothChannels=0 IQInputSwapChannels=0 IQInputAdjustEnable=0 IQAdjustBalance=0 IQAdjustPhase=0 PrimaryTimeSource=1 ManualAnalysisStartTime=0 [DIGIMODE] Active=0 DemodSource1=1 ComplexInput=0 ModulatorDest1=3 ModulatorDest2=0 DecoderLogfile=Term1.txt [MODES] OperMode=3 Modulation=14 CodesetNr=0 BitEncoding=1 UseDecoderNr=0 BitSyncAlgo=0 DisableFilters=0 SpecialFlags=0 ScopeMode=3 ScopeTrigger=0 ScopeUpdateTime=500 ScopeHorzSecPerDiv=0.1 ScopeHorzPixelPerDiv=20 ScopeHorzOpt=4 ScopeVertOpt=0 AutoSwitch2Rx=1 AutoSwitch2Tx=0 HalfDuplex=0 FlipMainAnalyser=1 BeaconMode=0 [AUDIO_FREQUENCIES] fc_rx=0 fc_tx=0 f_shift=10 fc_stepwidth=1 [MODULATION] symbol_rate=0.732421875 rev_keying=0 tx_freq_multiplier=1 pulse_shaping=1 shape_percent=100 output_level=100 special_options=0 [DETECTOR] use_afc=0 narrow_afc=0 afc_tune_range=100 squelch_thrsh=25 [SERIAL_DECODER] AsyncStartBit=1 AsyncDataBits=8 AsyncParityBit=0 AsyncStopBit=1 AsyncMsbFirst=0 [RX_CHAR_DISPLAY] ChrDisplayMode=0 LinefeedAfterPause=0 UseSlashZero=1 PrintDateOrTime=0 RejectedMessages= [MODE_DLL] name= use_it=0 [HELL_FONT] name=Arial height=-48 style=1 cut_top=0 [DIGIMODE2] Active=0 DemodSource1=1 ComplexInput=0 ModulatorDest1=3 ModulatorDest2=0 DecoderLogfile=Term2.txt [MODES2] OperMode=1 Modulation=8 CodesetNr=5 BitEncoding=2 UseDecoderNr=0 BitSyncAlgo=0 DisableFilters=0 SpecialFlags=0 ScopeMode=3 ScopeTrigger=0 ScopeUpdateTime=500 ScopeHorzSecPerDiv=0.1 ScopeHorzPixelPerDiv=20 ScopeHorzOpt=4 ScopeVertOpt=0 AutoSwitch2Rx=0 AutoSwitch2Tx=0 HalfDuplex=0 FlipMainAnalyser=0 BeaconMode=0 [AUDIO_FREQUENCIES2] fc_rx=2200 fc_tx=2200 f_shift=170 fc_stepwidth=1 [MODULATION2] symbol_rate=31.25 rev_keying=0 tx_freq_multiplier=1 pulse_shaping=1 shape_percent=100 output_level=75 special_options=0 [DETECTOR2] use_afc=1 narrow_afc=0 afc_tune_range=100 squelch_thrsh=25 [SERIAL_DECODER2] AsyncStartBit=1 AsyncDataBits=8 AsyncParityBit=0 AsyncStopBit=1 AsyncMsbFirst=0 [RX_CHAR_DISPLAY2] ChrDisplayMode=0 LinefeedAfterPause=0 UseSlashZero=1 PrintDateOrTime=0 RejectedMessages= [MODE_DLL2] name= use_it=0 [HELL_FONT2] name=Arial height=-11 style=0 cut_top=0 [DIGIMODE3] Active=0 DemodSource1=1 ComplexInput=0 ModulatorDest1=3 ModulatorDest2=0 DecoderLogfile=Term3.txt [MODES3] OperMode=1 Modulation=8 CodesetNr=5 BitEncoding=2 UseDecoderNr=0 BitSyncAlgo=0 DisableFilters=0 SpecialFlags=0 ScopeMode=3 ScopeTrigger=0 ScopeUpdateTime=500 ScopeHorzSecPerDiv=0.1 ScopeHorzPixelPerDiv=20 ScopeHorzOpt=4 ScopeVertOpt=0 AutoSwitch2Rx=0 AutoSwitch2Tx=0 HalfDuplex=0 FlipMainAnalyser=0 BeaconMode=0 [AUDIO_FREQUENCIES3] fc_rx=2200 fc_tx=2200 f_shift=170 fc_stepwidth=1 [MODULATION3] symbol_rate=31.25 rev_keying=0 tx_freq_multiplier=1 pulse_shaping=1 shape_percent=100 output_level=75 special_options=0 [DETECTOR3] use_afc=1 narrow_afc=0 afc_tune_range=100 squelch_thrsh=25 [SERIAL_DECODER3] AsyncStartBit=1 AsyncDataBits=8 AsyncParityBit=0 AsyncStopBit=1 AsyncMsbFirst=0 [RX_CHAR_DISPLAY3] ChrDisplayMode=0 LinefeedAfterPause=0 UseSlashZero=1 PrintDateOrTime=0 RejectedMessages= [MODE_DLL3] name= use_it=0 [HELL_FONT3] name=Arial height=-11 style=0 cut_top=0 [DIGIMODE4] Active=0 DemodSource1=1 ComplexInput=0 ModulatorDest1=3 ModulatorDest2=0 DecoderLogfile=Term4.txt [MODES4] OperMode=1 Modulation=8 CodesetNr=5 BitEncoding=2 UseDecoderNr=0 BitSyncAlgo=0 DisableFilters=0 SpecialFlags=0 ScopeMode=3 ScopeTrigger=0 ScopeUpdateTime=500 ScopeHorzSecPerDiv=0.1 ScopeHorzPixelPerDiv=20 ScopeHorzOpt=4 ScopeVertOpt=0 AutoSwitch2Rx=0 AutoSwitch2Tx=0 HalfDuplex=0 FlipMainAnalyser=0 BeaconMode=0 [AUDIO_FREQUENCIES4] fc_rx=2200 fc_tx=2200 f_shift=170 fc_stepwidth=1 [MODULATION4] symbol_rate=31.25 rev_keying=0 tx_freq_multiplier=1 pulse_shaping=1 shape_percent=100 output_level=75 special_options=0 [DETECTOR4] use_afc=1 narrow_afc=0 afc_tune_range=100 squelch_thrsh=25 [SERIAL_DECODER4] AsyncStartBit=1 AsyncDataBits=8 AsyncParityBit=0 AsyncStopBit=1 AsyncMsbFirst=0 [RX_CHAR_DISPLAY4] ChrDisplayMode=0 LinefeedAfterPause=0 UseSlashZero=1 PrintDateOrTime=0 RejectedMessages= [MODE_DLL4] name= use_it=0 [HELL_FONT4] name=Arial height=-11 style=0 cut_top=0 [PTT_VOX] VoxSource=0 RelayLeadTime=50 FollowUpTime=500 VoxTrigLevel=1024 AudioLatencyComp=0 [DCF77] Active=0 F_center=650 [SPECTRUM_BUFFER] MaxSpectrumBufferFftBins=2048 PeriodicUpdateOvw=0 [FFT_INPUT] ConnectSpectrumTo=1 ConnectSpectrumTo_Q=0 ConnectSpectrumCh2To=1 ConnectSpectrumCh2To_Q=0 Same4AllChnls=1 RateDivisor=1 AntiAlias=1 ZeroPadInput=0 ApplyFOCalib=0 TrigOptions=0 TriggeredAverages=0 NrOfSamples=131072 Average=0 BinSmoothing=0 WindowFunc=2 ComplexFFT=0 CenterFrequency=1675 LoSweepRate=0 LoSweepMode=0 [FFT_OUTPUT] PhysicalUnit=dB NeedPhaseInfo=0 UserDbOffset=0.0 [FFT_INPUT2] ConnectSpectrumTo=2 ConnectSpectrumTo_Q=0 ConnectSpectrumCh2To=0 ConnectSpectrumCh2To_Q=0 Same4AllChnls=1 RateDivisor=1 AntiAlias=1 ZeroPadInput=0 ApplyFOCalib=0 TrigOptions=0 TriggeredAverages=0 NrOfSamples=8192 Average=0 BinSmoothing=0 WindowFunc=2 ComplexFFT=0 CenterFrequency=0 LoSweepRate=0 LoSweepMode=0 [FFT_OUTPUT2] PhysicalUnit=dB NeedPhaseInfo=0 UserDbOffset=0.0 [DISPLAY] ReadCursorMode=0 ReadCursorOpts=32 PeakDetCursor=0 UserCursorExpr1=str("hh:mm:ss.s",cursor.spectrum.time) FreqMin=11000 FreqMax=18000 FreqMin2=39000 FreqMax2=42000 FreqOffset=461000 FreqOffset2=461000 EditFWithoutOffset=0 AmplMin=-120 AmplMax=-20 AmplMin2=-120 AmplMax2=-20 CorrelAmplMin=-1 CorrelAmplMax=10 SpectrumActive=1 SpectrumOrient=0 SpecGraphArea=180 DrawingOptions=8 LongTermAvrgOptions=0 OnePixelPerBin1=0 OnePixelPerBin2=0 LogFreqScale=0 WaterStripPixels=100 SplitFreqScale=0 SplitFreqPercent=74 CorrelogramVisible=0 CorrelogramOptions=0 CorrelFmin=0 CorrelFmax=0 CorrelogramWidthPercent=33 CorrelatorLagMin=-0.0106666666667 CorrelatorLagMax=0.0106666666667 CorrelatorAmplMin=-1 CorrelatorAmplMax=10 AmplitudeBar=0 AmplitudeBarOpts=2 AmplitudeBarSize=75 AmplitudeBarRange=100 AmplBarShowChannelsFromWatchWindow=0 SpectrumMirror=0 ScaleFontName=Courier New ScaleFontSize=8 FreqScaleOptions=1 FreqScaleFixedSize=0 SpectrumStyleNPos=2 SpectrumMathOptions=0 SpecialDisplayMode=0 ReassignmentFlags=0 WaterLineWidth=1 WaterScrollEnabled=1 AutoScrollSpeed=1 AutoScrollOverlap=2 SmoothScroll=0 AmplitudeGrid=1 FrequencyGrid=1 FreqGridStyle=1 TDDisplayOptions=1 TDFontName=Arial TDFontSize=9 SpectrumBgColor=0 SpectrumGridColor=8421504 SpectrumPenColor0=65535 SpectrumPenColor1=16744319 SpectrumPenColor2=65280 SpectrumPenColor3=8388608 SpectrumPenColor4=255 SpectrumPenColor5=4227327 SpectrumPenColor6=8388863 SpectrumPenColor7=16744703 FreqscaleBgColor=16777215 FreqscaleFgColor=0 StationFreqColor=16776960 AmplBarBgColor=16711680 WaterBadColor=4144959 WaterGridColor=16777215 WaterLabelTextColor=16777215 WaterLabelBkgndColor=0 WaterLabelTransparent=0 CursorTextColor=8355839 CursorBkgndColor=0 WaterFreqGrid=0 WaterTimeGrid=1 WaterTimeLabel=2 TDTimeLabel=1 UserTimeLabel=YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss TimeGridSeconds=60 TimeGridSource= TimeGridStyle=2 ChnIndividualContrast=1 WaterColorPalette=palettes\sunrise.pal VisualAGCMode=0 VisualAGCRef=-100 ColorPalContrast=161 ColorPalBrightness=113 ColorPalSaturation=128 WaterColorPalette2=palettes\sunrise.pal VisualAGCMode2=0 VisualAGCRef2=-100 ColorPalContrast2=164 ColorPalBrightness2=166 ColorPalSaturation2=128 WaterColorPalette3=palettes\sunrise.pal VisualAGCMode3=0 VisualAGCRef3=-100 ColorPalContrast3=100 ColorPalBrightness3=128 ColorPalSaturation3=128 WaterScrollInterval=0.341333333333 WaterfallAveraging=1 PeakInterval=180 [DISPLAY2] ReadCursorMode=0 ReadCursorOpts=32 PeakDetCursor=0 UserCursorExpr1=str("hh:mm:ss.s",cursor.spectrum.time) FreqMin=0 FreqMax=5000 FreqMin2=600 FreqMax2=800 FreqOffset=0 FreqOffset2=0 EditFWithoutOffset=0 AmplMin=-120 AmplMax=0 AmplMin2=-120 AmplMax2=0 CorrelAmplMin=-1 CorrelAmplMax=10 SpectrumActive=0 SpectrumOrient=0 SpecGraphArea=100 DrawingOptions=0 LongTermAvrgOptions=0 OnePixelPerBin1=0 OnePixelPerBin2=0 LogFreqScale=0 WaterStripPixels=100 SplitFreqScale=0 SplitFreqPercent=50 CorrelogramVisible=0 CorrelogramOptions=0 CorrelFmin=0 CorrelFmax=0 CorrelogramWidthPercent=33 CorrelatorLagMin=-0.1 CorrelatorLagMax=0.1 CorrelatorAmplMin=-1 CorrelatorAmplMax=10 AmplitudeBar=0 AmplitudeBarOpts=2 AmplitudeBarSize=75 AmplitudeBarRange=100 AmplBarShowChannelsFromWatchWindow=0 SpectrumMirror=0 ScaleFontName=Courier New ScaleFontSize=8 FreqScaleOptions=1 FreqScaleFixedSize=0 SpectrumStyleNPos=2 SpectrumMathOptions=0 SpecialDisplayMode=0 ReassignmentFlags=0 WaterLineWidth=1 WaterScrollEnabled=1 AutoScrollSpeed=1 AutoScrollOverlap=2 SmoothScroll=0 AmplitudeGrid=1 FrequencyGrid=1 FreqGridStyle=1 TDDisplayOptions=1 TDFontName=Arial TDFontSize=9 SpectrumBgColor=0 SpectrumGridColor=8421504 SpectrumPenColor0=65535 SpectrumPenColor1=16744319 SpectrumPenColor2=65280 SpectrumPenColor3=8388608 SpectrumPenColor4=255 SpectrumPenColor5=4227327 SpectrumPenColor6=8388863 SpectrumPenColor7=16744703 FreqscaleBgColor=16777215 FreqscaleFgColor=0 StationFreqColor=16776960 AmplBarBgColor=16711680 WaterBadColor=4144959 WaterGridColor=16777215 WaterLabelTextColor=16777215 WaterLabelBkgndColor=0 WaterLabelTransparent=1 CursorTextColor=8355839 CursorBkgndColor=0 WaterFreqGrid=0 WaterTimeGrid=3 WaterTimeLabel=3 TDTimeLabel=1 UserTimeLabel=YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss TimeGridSeconds=60 TimeGridSource= TimeGridStyle=1 ChnIndividualContrast=0 WaterColorPalette=palettes\sunrise.pal VisualAGCMode=0 VisualAGCRef=-100 ColorPalContrast=100 ColorPalBrightness=128 ColorPalSaturation=128 WaterColorPalette2=palettes\sunrise.pal VisualAGCMode2=0 VisualAGCRef2=-100 ColorPalContrast2=100 ColorPalBrightness2=128 ColorPalSaturation2=128 WaterColorPalette3=palettes\sunrise.pal VisualAGCMode3=0 VisualAGCRef3=-100 ColorPalContrast3=100 ColorPalBrightness3=128 ColorPalSaturation3=128 WaterScrollInterval=0.3 WaterfallAveraging=1 PeakInterval=5 [ColorDF] AntennaSetup=0 IntensityScaling=1 IntensitySource=2 ColourSchemeNr=0 RotationalDir=0 AngleOffset=0 ExtraColourSat=0 CalibFile= UseCalib=0 NullingCardioid=0 NullDirection=0 NullDirection2=0 NullDirection3=0 Null_H_E_Weight=1 NullPowerCorr=0.5 [TDScope] Left=142 Top=112 Width=540 Height=419 Visible=0 FormStyle=0 Active=0 NrOfChannels=1 Mode=0 DebugMode=0 AutoRanging=0 Decimation=1 Averages=0 UseMovingAverage=1 PeakDetect=0 Persistance=0 SlowFadeImage=0 HorzScalePercent=100 DispBufSamples=0 DispZoomedStart=0 TriggerMode=0 TriggerSlope=0 TriggerSource=0 TriggerCoupling=0 PretriggerPercent=50 TriggerLevel=0 TriggerSyncTime=0.07499 DispPhaseRange=360 BkgndColor=0 GridColor=13619151 LabelColor=13619151 [TDScope_Chn0] ShowWhat=4 DisplayStyle=2 ConnectTo=1 RefFrequency=650 AmplMin=-32768 AmplMax=32767 LogScale=0 ZeroDecibelValue=32767 UseFOCalib=1 PenColor=255 PhzColor=65280 [TDScope_Chn1] ShowWhat=4 DisplayStyle=2 ConnectTo=2 RefFrequency=800 AmplMin=-32768 AmplMax=32767 LogScale=0 ZeroDecibelValue=32767 UseFOCalib=1 PenColor=16744319 PhzColor=16711935 SameLoForPhaseMeters=0 [FREQ_MARKERS] Hidden=0 ShowInScreenshot=1 Name0=RX VFO Type0=s Color0=0 FreqIncludesVFO0=0 SetProc0=filter.fft.fs=x-filter.fft.fc GetFunc0=filter.fft.fs+fft.fc. [SPECTRUM_REF] FileName=spectrum.ref Color=16744319 Visible=0 Subtract=0 [CAPTURE] Time_From=0 Time_To=86399 TimeInterval=900 TimerActive=0 PeriodicAction=capture PeriodicAction2= PeriodicAction3= PeriodicAction4= PeriodicAction5= PeriodicAction6= PeriodicAction7= PeriodicAction8= PeriodicAction9= PeriodicAction10= PeriodicAction11= PeriodicAction12= PeriodicAction13= PeriodicAction14= PeriodicAction15= PeriodicAction16= PeriodicAction17= PeriodicAction18= PeriodicAction19= PeriodicAction20= ScheduleActive=0 Options=2 InfoOvl=1 InfoPos=1 InfoStk=1 InfoDef0=$"Date="+str("YYYY-MM-DD",now)+" Time="+str("hh:mm",now) InfoDef1=$"Freq= "+str("###0.#",water.f_min)+"..."+str("###0.#",water.f_max)+" Hz" InfoDef2= InfoDef3= InfoDef4= InfoDef5= InfoDef6= InfoDef7= InfoDef8= InfoDef9= SequenceNr=0 SequenceName=screenshots\capt UseJpegFormat=1 JpegQuality=50 Macro0= Macro1= Macro2= Macro3= Macro4= Macro5= Macro6= Macro7= Macro8= Macro9= Macro10= Macro11= Macro12= Macro13= Macro14= Macro15= Macro16= Macro17= Macro18= Macro19= Macro20= Macro21= Macro22= Macro23= Macro24= Macro25= Macro26= Macro27= Macro28= Macro29= Macro30= Macro31= Macro32= Macro33= Macro34= Macro35= Macro36= Macro37= Macro38= Macro39= [SCHEDULE] NumEvents=12 [SCHEDULE0] Time=79200 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE1] Time=0 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE2] Time=14400 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE3] Time=21600 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE4] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE5] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE6] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE7] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE8] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE9] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE10] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE11] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [CONDITIONAL_ACTIONS] Active=0 EvalIntv=200 IF0= THEN0= IF1= THEN1= IF2= THEN2= IF3= THEN3= IF4= THEN4= IF5= THEN5= IF6= THEN6= IF7= THEN7= IF8= THEN8= IF9= THEN9= IF10= THEN10= IF11= THEN11= IF12= THEN12= IF13= THEN13= IF14= THEN14= IF15= THEN15= IF16= THEN16= IF17= THEN17= IF18= THEN18= IF19= THEN19= IF20= THEN20= IF21= THEN21= IF22= THEN22= IF23= THEN23= IF24= THEN24= IF25= THEN25= IF26= THEN26= IF27= THEN27= IF28= THEN28= IF29= THEN29= IF30= THEN30= IF31= THEN31= IF32= THEN32= IF33= THEN33= IF34= THEN34= IF35= THEN35= IF36= THEN36= IF37= THEN37= IF38= THEN38= IF39= THEN39= IF40= THEN40= IF41= THEN41= IF42= THEN42= IF43= THEN43= IF44= THEN44= IF45= THEN45= IF46= THEN46= IF47= THEN47= IF48= THEN48= IF49= THEN49= IF50= THEN50= IF51= THEN51= IF52= THEN52= IF53= THEN53= IF54= THEN54= IF55= THEN55= IF56= THEN56= IF57= THEN57= IF58= THEN58= IF59= THEN59= IF60= THEN60= IF61= THEN61= IF62= THEN62= IF63= THEN63= IF64= THEN64= IF65= THEN65= IF66= THEN66= IF67= THEN67= IF68= THEN68= IF69= THEN69= IF70= THEN70= IF71= THEN71= IF72= THEN72= IF73= THEN73= IF74= THEN74= IF75= THEN75= IF76= THEN76= IF77= THEN77= IF78= THEN78= IF79= THEN79= IF80= THEN80= IF81= THEN81= IF82= THEN82= IF83= THEN83= IF84= THEN84= IF85= THEN85= IF86= THEN86= IF87= THEN87= IF88= THEN88= IF89= THEN89= IF90= THEN90= IF91= THEN91= IF92= THEN92= IF93= THEN93= IF94= THEN94= IF95= THEN95= IF96= THEN96= IF97= THEN97= IF98= THEN98= IF99= THEN99= WatchExpression= [CIRCUIT] ConnectGeneratorToInput=3 ConnectGeneratorToOutput=0 InputMonitorSource=1 OutputMonitorSource=3 TrigMode=0 TrigSource=0 TrigPolarity=1 TrigLevel=0 TrigHysteresis=20 PretriggerTime=0 TrigTimerIntvl=1 MixerHilbertLength=37 FreqCvtSameLO=0 FreqCvtQuadLO=0 ConnectSlider1=5 Gain0=15.8489319246 Gain1=1 Gain2=1 Gain3=1 Gain4=1 Gain5=1 Gain6=0 Gain7=0 FreqMixerEnabled=0 MixerDcReject=0 MixerFrequency=4062 MixerSideband=4 [CIRCUIT2] FreqMixerEnabled=0 MixerDcReject=0 MixerFrequency=0 MixerSideband=0 [FILTER] DisplayOptions=3 [FILTER0] CoeffFile=default.flt IIR2DesignFile=default.flc FIR2DesignFile=default.fir FilterFftSize=16384 FftSame4All=0 FftShowInGraph=0 FftANotchFreqRangeStart=0 FftANotchFreqRangeEnd=0 FftANotchSpeed=0.1 FftANotchWidth=5 FftANRegionWidth=20 FftANotchTransitionWidth=0 FftANotchThrsh=4 FftANotchBurstReject=6 FftDenoiserLvl=-70 ChirpRate=0 DecimateOutputSRateBy=1 GraphMinLevel=-100 GraphMaxLevel=0 FftFilterType=3 FftFilterOptions=0 FftFilterFC=800 FftFilterBW=300 FftFilterSW=100 FftFreqShift=14696.194825 FftInvertFrom=0 FftInvertTo=0 FftFilterResponse=default.frs FftFilterPlugin= When2CallPlugin=1 PluginWinX=10 PluginWinY=10 PluginWinWidth=320 PluginWinHeight=240 SpecialRangeF10=0 SpecialRangeF20=0 SpecialRangeP0_01=0 SpecialRangeP1_01=0 SpecialRangeP2_01=0 SpecialRangeP3_01=0 SpecialRangeType0=0 SpecialRangeF11=0 SpecialRangeF21=0 SpecialRangeP0_11=0 SpecialRangeP1_11=0 SpecialRangeP2_11=0 SpecialRangeP3_11=0 SpecialRangeType1=0 SpecialRangeF12=0 SpecialRangeF22=0 SpecialRangeP0_21=0 SpecialRangeP1_21=0 SpecialRangeP2_21=0 SpecialRangeP3_21=0 SpecialRangeType2=0 SpecialRangeF13=0 SpecialRangeF23=0 SpecialRangeP0_31=0 SpecialRangeP1_31=0 SpecialRangeP2_31=0 SpecialRangeP3_31=0 SpecialRangeType3=0 SpecialRangeF14=0 SpecialRangeF24=0 SpecialRangeP0_41=0 SpecialRangeP1_41=0 SpecialRangeP2_41=0 SpecialRangeP3_41=0 SpecialRangeType4=0 SpecialRangeF15=0 SpecialRangeF25=0 SpecialRangeP0_51=0 SpecialRangeP1_51=0 SpecialRangeP2_51=0 SpecialRangeP3_51=0 SpecialRangeType5=0 SpecialRangeF16=0 SpecialRangeF26=0 SpecialRangeP0_61=0 SpecialRangeP1_61=0 SpecialRangeP2_61=0 SpecialRangeP3_61=0 SpecialRangeType6=0 SpecialRangeF17=0 SpecialRangeF27=0 SpecialRangeP0_71=0 SpecialRangeP1_71=0 SpecialRangeP2_71=0 SpecialRangeP3_71=0 SpecialRangeType7=0 [FILTER1] CoeffFile=default.flt IIR2DesignFile=default.flc FIR2DesignFile=default.fir FilterFftSize=4096 FftSame4All=0 FftShowInGraph=0 FftANotchFreqRangeStart=0 FftANotchFreqRangeEnd=0 FftANotchSpeed=0.1 FftANotchWidth=5 FftANRegionWidth=20 FftANotchTransitionWidth=0 FftANotchThrsh=4 FftANotchBurstReject=6 FftDenoiserLvl=-80 ChirpRate=0 DecimateOutputSRateBy=1 GraphMinLevel=-100 GraphMaxLevel=0 FftFilterType=3 FftFilterOptions=0 FftFilterFC=650 FftFilterBW=200 FftFilterSW=50 FftFreqShift=0 FftInvertFrom=0 FftInvertTo=0 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SpecialRangeP0_61=0 SpecialRangeP1_61=0 SpecialRangeP2_61=0 SpecialRangeP3_61=0 SpecialRangeType6=0 SpecialRangeF17=0 SpecialRangeF27=0 SpecialRangeP0_71=0 SpecialRangeP1_71=0 SpecialRangeP2_71=0 SpecialRangeP3_71=0 SpecialRangeType7=0 [SIGNAL_GENERATOR] UseSineTable=0 NoiseLevel=-50 NoiseOn=0 AmModFreq=1 AmModFactor=1 AmModCarrier=1 AmModWave=0 AmDutyCyclePcnt=50 FmModWave=0 FmModFreq=100 FmModDeviation=240.5 FmDutyCyclePcnt=50 ArbitraryWaveformFile= ArbitraryWaveformFormula=sin(2*pi*x) LoadAWFromFile=0 Enabled0=1 AmMod0=0 FmMod0=0 Wave0=0 SinFreq0=900 SinAmpl0=0.1 Enabled1=1 AmMod1=0 FmMod1=0 Wave1=0 SinFreq1=1000 SinAmpl1=0.1 Enabled2=1 AmMod2=0 FmMod2=0 Wave2=0 SinFreq2=1100 SinAmpl2=0.1 [CIRCUIT_BLACKBOX0] CompType=0 BandpassFC=15500 BandpassBW=3000 BandpassRespType=1 DelaySeconds=0.5 AdderGain=0 InputGain=1 FeedbackGain=0.9 BypassGain=0 SignalSource=0 DeModType=0 DeModOptions=1 DeModFC=24000 DeModBW=1000 DeModFact=1 DeModCarr=1 DeemphTimeConst=5e-05 ChirpRate=2000 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: W dniu 2012-06-03 13:17, Stefan Schäfer pisze: > Dear John, LF, > > Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following. > Dear Stefan, LF i did take the time and read your post. I do agree with you and your opinion towards (old,new) servers issue The only reason i have subsribed to yahoo was my fear that blacksheep closure is imminent btw, for reasons which are still unclear for me i was 'forced' to get an e-mail yahoo account as a necessary condition to get access to yahoo_lf_group. Later, i saw that my 'normal' mail account was suffcient to receive posts from the new server i do not take part in the ongoing discussion entitled as " to be or not to be on yahoo server" not only becasue i am still in rx mode reagarding vlf/lf/mf bands but i simply feel that the final decision should be taken by far more experienced persons ( whatever this term means) though my indirect opinion is that i am not going to unsubscribe from blacksheep server [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000909050901040301040700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fcbc06936e8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000909050901040301040700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable W dniu 2012-06-03 13:17, Stefan Sch=E4fer pisze: > Dear John, LF, > > Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following. > Dear Stefan, LF i did take the time and read your post. I do agree with you and your=20 opinion towards (old,new) servers issue The only reason i have subsribed to yahoo was my fear that blacksheep=20 closure is imminent btw, for reasons which are still unclear for me i was 'forced' to get =20 an e-mail yahoo account as a necessary condition to get access to yahoo_lf_group. Later, i saw that my 'normal' mail=20 account was suffcient to receive posts from the new server i do not take part in the ongoing discussion entitled as " to be or=20 not to be on yahoo server" not only becasue i am still in rx mode reagarding vlf/lf/mf bands but i simply feel that the final=20 decision should be taken by far more experienced persons ( whatever this term means) though my indirect opinion is that i am not=20 going to unsubscribe from blacksheep server = yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------000909050901040301040700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable W dniu 2012-06-03 13:17, Stefan Sch=E4fer pisze:
Dear John, LF,

Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following.

Dear Stefan, LF

i did take the time and=A0 read your post. I do agree with you and your opinion towards=A0 (old,new) servers issue
The only reason i have subsribed to yahoo was my fear that blacksheep closure is imminent
btw,=A0 for reasons which are still unclear for me i was 'forced' to get=A0 an e-mail=A0 yahoo account as a necessary condition to
get access to yahoo_lf_group.=A0 Later, i saw that my 'normal' mail account was suffcient to receive=A0 posts from the new server
i do not take part in the ongoing discussion=A0 entitled=A0 as " to b= e or not to be on yahoo server" not only becasue i am still
in rx mode reagarding vlf/lf/mf bands but i simply feel that the final decision should be taken by far more experienced persons
( whatever this term means) though my indirect opinion is that i am not going to unsubscribe from blacksheep server

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qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
--------------000909050901040301040700-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4621438000083; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd1za-0000QK-2Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:24:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd1zZ-0000QB-N2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:24:53 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd1zX-0008UO-In for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:24:52 +0100 Received: from [10.0.0.175] (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q58GOjQZ079667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:24:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4FD2274D.2080008@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:24:45 +0200 From: Albert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301cd458c$d9c61db0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001301cd458c$d9c61db0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: All, Beacon in mode OPERA this evening, dial 500kHz USB, carrier abt. 501.7 kHz. Each transmission starts with my call in normal morse code. Repetition timer at 12 minutes. 73, Albert PA0A (JO33DE 53 JH) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.33 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7b4dbd93955117b98f3a6ac4d7602f88 Subject: LF: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:245141856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fd227be574a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none All, Beacon in mode OPERA this evening, dial 500kHz USB, carrier abt. 501.7 kHz. Each transmission starts with my call in normal morse code. Repetition timer at 12 minutes. 73, Albert PA0A (JO33DE 53 JH) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6B80538000097; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 04:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgATJ-00052C-T9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:04:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgATJ-000523-CZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:04:33 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgATH-0005pi-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:04:32 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAGyO3U9cF/9d/2dsb2JhbABFtVOBCIITBQEBDQEBA0kCIQsBAQgCAQMRBAEBCjkBBBoGFAIOEwoBAgIBAYd+B6oijSoEiziGOwOID4U0l16CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,425,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="396163471" Received: from host-92-23-255-93.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.255.93]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jun 2012 09:03:30 +0100 Message-ID: <003301cd4c5f$ab799b10$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:03:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan Tnx QSO on MF Think how loud my signal would have been if you had been using the same TX antenna for RX. The micro antennas work but not so good for DX listening for radio amateur signals. I have a choice of several antennas for RX purposes but normally on 500 khz use a 40m quad loop orientated to RX E/W and used for QSK work and the TX antenna is 1/4 wave inv L full size on 500 but used also as RX antenna when needed. The Quad loop is resonated at the desired frequency on LF es MF de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: d0d76c369792b807e0925732d18ad9b1 Subject: Fw: LF: qso dk7fc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01CD4C5F.AB36C5B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466883040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194fdd8fc40e78 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CD4C5F.AB36C5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan Tnx QSO on MF Think how loud my signal would have been if you had been using the same = TX antenna for RX. The micro antennas work but not so good for DX = listening for radio amateur signals. I have a choice of several antennas for RX purposes but normally on 500 = khz use a 40m quad loop orientated to RX E/W and used for QSK work and = the TX antenna is 1/4 wave inv L full size on 500 but used also as RX = antenna when needed. The Quad loop is resonated at the desired frequency on LF es MF de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: qso dk7fc Mal,=20 Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the first moment. I just didn't = know that you are calling on 501... Am 17.06.2012 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan At last a QSO hi.=20 Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were 569 = solid copy with heavy QRN on the band. Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as long as the signals are still = perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of amateur radio, all missed = in QRSS... BTW: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/G3KEV.WAV (10MB, the mp3 = converter does not work soemhow) Just have it in mind when you talk = about my ears... Ah and BTW the reception was done by using a micro = antenna, an active E field antenna that was hold out of the window, just = 1 meter. The probe is a short variable length antenna from a UKW radio = (allows experimenting with different probe length..) At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. Glad to be your first CW = QSO on MF ...the first UK stn. The first ever was PA3ABK. 73 es gl de mal/g3kev 73, QRQ, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CD4C5F.AB36C5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan
Tnx QSO on MF
Think how loud my signal would have been if you = had been=20 using the same TX antenna for RX. The micro antennas work but not so = good for DX=20 listening for radio amateur signals.
 
I have a choice of several antennas for RX = purposes but=20 normally on 500 khz use a 40m quad loop orientated to RX E/W and = used for=20 QSK work and the TX antenna is 1/4 wave inv L full size on 500 but used = also as=20 RX antenna when needed.
The Quad loop is resonated at the desired=20 frequency on LF es MF
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: LF: qso dk7fc

Mal,

Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the = first=20 moment. I just didn't know that you are calling on 501...

Am = 17.06.2012=20 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
Stefan
At last a QSO hi.
Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 = report. I=20 cfm u were 569 solid copy with heavy QRN on the=20 band.
Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as long = as the=20 signals are still perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of amateur = radio,=20 all missed in QRSS...

BTW:  https://dl.dropbo= x.com/u/19882028/MF/G3KEV.WAV =20 (10MB, the mp3 converter does not work soemhow) Just have it in mind = when you=20 talk about my ears... Ah and BTW the reception was done by using a micro = antenna, an active E field antenna that was hold out of the window, just = 1=20 meter. The probe is a short variable length antenna from a UKW radio = (allows=20 experimenting with different probe length..)


At the end you peaked up to 579 = good signal.=20 Glad to be your first CW QSO on MF
...the = first UK stn.=20 The first ever was PA3ABK.

73 es gl de = mal/g3kev
 

73, QRQ, = Stefan/DK7FC
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CD4C5F.AB36C5B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CD0A938000084; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfxBW-0007xP-2a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:53:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfxBV-0007xG-BE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:53:17 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfxBT-00036d-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:53:16 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GHrER4017424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:53:14 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GHrDWY026662 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:53:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCC7A4.6080608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:51:32 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8146402EAAE443729F66C932F047B78D@AGB> In-Reply-To: <8146402EAAE443729F66C932F047B78D@AGB> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now, works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW. Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals. It's slowly starting here now. I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... I still have no idea about MF propagation... Exciting! :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1273381c241b4bc851b7e848e0897dc9 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060908040204090201090502" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461413056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4fdcc866057b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060908040204090201090502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5GHrER4017424 Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now,=20 works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW. Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First=20 tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals.=20 It's slowly starting here now. I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... I=20 still have no idea about MF propagation... Exciting! :-) 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham: > Ok Stefan , > What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the =20 > RX to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly=20 > into io83lk hihi > 73 -G.. > > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: MF:477 via Delft > > Thank you Graham, eh i mean G.., > > Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to=20 > extend the range... > > Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham: >> Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range ....= ! >> Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft >> can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise=20 >> .should work ? >> G.. >> http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ --------------060908040204090201090502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now, works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW.
Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals. It's slowly starting here now.
I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... I still have no idea about MF propagation...
Exciting! :-)

73, Stefan

Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham:
Ok Stefan ,
 
What mode  are  sending  ? opera ?  If  so  then   I will   set the  RX to  477  as  well  , Im sure  some  signal  will  leak   directly into  io83lk  hihi
 
73 -G..

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,

Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the range...

Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the  Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  477  via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  , but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
--------------060908040204090201090502-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C324838000096; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbXJG-0003U2-I6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:27:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbXJF-0003Tt-Nn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:27:01 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbXJD-0006kM-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:27:00 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al4FAJi2zE9cF/ub/2dsb2JhbABEhU6ZBYUDh2ABiHCBCIITBQEBBQgBAQMWMwIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKIQICFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBCYdjAw8HpA+IPg2JTooxYBuEY4ESA409iG2JbIR7gmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,712,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="383150484" Received: from host-92-23-251-155.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.251.155]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 14:26:57 +0100 Message-ID: <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:26:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I am only quoting what you published reference items 9 and 10. In some other messages from you there is also mention of vetting and banning. Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to be concerned. I am merely pointing out concerns that I have about some of your postings where vetting and banning keeps cropping up. My argument and others is that one should be allowed to get their opinion heard without fear or favour and I do no like to bombarded with words that imply restrictive practice. I am not aware of any attack going on but surely I am permitted to challenge what others say, if it effects me and in this case the move to the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as well and they are expressing their opinions daily. It particularly effects me since I am one of the few radio amateurs that are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice on the reflector is useful to update activity, propagation conditions, DX alerts and technical data about changes of equipment, power etc. Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW or Opera. [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 84ab60ecdd4473835b39687102047368 Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D0_01CD4255.B5E59DB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:518226688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fccb7ef26d3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01CD4255.B5E59DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am only quoting what you published reference items 9 and 10. In some = other messages from you there is also mention of vetting and banning. = Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to be concerned.=20 I am merely pointing out concerns that I have about some of your = postings where vetting and banning keeps cropping up. My argument and others is that one should be allowed to get their = opinion heard without fear or favour and I do no like to bombarded with = words that imply restrictive practice. I am not aware of any attack going on but surely I am permitted to = challenge what others say, if it effects me and in this case the move to = the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as well and they are = expressing their opinions daily.=20 It particularly effects me since I am one of the few radio amateurs that = are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice on the reflector is = useful to update activity, propagation conditions, DX alerts and = technical data about changes of equipment, power etc. Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW or Opera.=20 de g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 12:33 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Dear Mal, Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not me.=20 Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" wrote: Reference postings from G3XBM I am concerned about items 9 and 10 Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those = VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a = different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR What ever happens avoid him as a moderator de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan Melia ; Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer ; Markus Vester ; James Moritz=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest that = the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group? In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or = problems with any group to which I belong or moderate. Instead they have had these advantages: 1.. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves = cluttered in-boxes) 2.. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before = messages are received.=20 3.. All messages are archived and searchable. 4.. Large files can be stored.=20 5.. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.=20 6.. Links can be stored/shared=20 7.. Videos can be stored.=20 8.. Polls can be run.=20 9.. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of = moderators to speed up the process)=20 10.. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional = circumstances.=20 11.. Spam messages can be filtered 12.. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc) = The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot = understand why the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this = week it is surely time. To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or whatever) = would take about 30 seconds and migration to it by all interested = members here would take about a day at most. All you need is to agree a = group name, who owns it, who can moderate posts and some basic group = ground rules/FAQs. Please, think about it again.=20 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01CD4255.B5E59DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
I am only quoting what you published reference = items 9 and=20 10. In some other messages from you there is also mention of vetting and = banning. Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to be = concerned.=20
 I am merely pointing out concerns that I = have about=20 some of your postings where vetting and banning keeps cropping=20 up.
My argument and others is that one should = be allowed=20 to get their opinion heard without fear or favour and I do no like to = bombarded=20 with words that imply restrictive practice.
I am not aware of any attack going on but = surely I am=20 permitted to challenge what others say, if it effects me and in = this case=20 the move to the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as well and they = are=20 expressing their opinions daily.
It particularly effects me since I am one of the = few radio=20 amateurs that are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice=20 on the reflector is useful to update activity, propagation=20 conditions, DX alerts and technical data about changes of = equipment, power etc.
Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW=20 or Opera.
 
de g3kev
   
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 12:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: An = "LF-reflector"=20 Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

Dear Mal,

Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not = me. 

Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign. 

73s
Roger
G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

Reference postings from G3XBM
I am concerned about items 9  and = 10
Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members = banned.
Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the=20 credentials of those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably = someone=20 who has a different opinion or point of view from his or even a = sense of=20 HUMOUR
What ever happens avoid him as a=20 moderator
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20 ; Alan Melia ; Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer ; Markus=20 Vester ; James Moritz =
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, = 2012 9:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An = "LF-reflector" Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE

With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again = suggest=20 that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group?

In over 10 = years I=20 have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or problems with any = group to=20 which I belong or moderate.

Instead they have had these=20 advantages:
  1. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves = cluttered=20 in-boxes)
  2. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before = messages=20 are received.=20
  3. All messages are archived and searchable.
  4. Large files can be stored.=20
  5. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.=20
  6. Links can be stored/shared=20
  7. Videos can be stored.=20
  8. Polls can be run.=20
  9. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of = moderators to=20 speed up the process)=20
  10. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional = circumstances.=20
  11. Spam messages can be filtered
  12. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc)=20
The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply = cannot=20 understand why the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems = this=20 week it is surely time.

To set up a new Yahoo group called=20 "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would take about 30 seconds and = migration to=20 it by all interested members here would take about a day at most. = All you=20 need is to agree a group name, who owns it, who can moderate posts = and=20 some basic group ground rules/FAQs.

Please, think about it = again.=20

73s
Roger G3XBM

--
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

=
------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01CD4255.B5E59DB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2F561380000F8; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdkry-0003lX-1g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:20:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdkrx-0003lJ-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:20:01 +0100 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sdkrv-0000hv-DJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:20:00 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5AGJra5016831 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:19:53 -0400 Received: from core-msb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.141]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EAEAEE000088 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:19:52 -0400 (EDT) References: <4FD4CBA4.29154.B00FF00@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4FD4CBA4.29154.B00FF00@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Webmail 36301-STANDARD Received: from 77.190.100.187 by webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com (64.12.141.17) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:19:53 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF153C0059E7C7-1F68-E339@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [77.190.100.187] Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:19:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1339345193; bh=v9Ljce8UIxyO9D8uVs/nqB7on8/tYdAeUPmMZtE9h1s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IztQKjDGnIsvo81kIuyUrRZr7PE6s2F+wcJVEw+RWwecFX5T/py2EgkdGOtPvhJhD 6DrFCEpzq1VTvY12rf83kJ3hxklonV8tB3pZH6wlaaBfUJ3WYaiqowqc1DKqZk/Rrx WS12UvU23r1EWvrgtewOaXELgoPoIN9r0uQdjwkg= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473309056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mike, well this was supposed to read "DF6NM" - maybe I should select a different font for my Hell transmissions ;-) Thanks anyway for the report and screenshot, and also or the very pleasant qrss/dfcw qso we had this morning. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.206.41 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 4f449c45f7b1894a9195a328eedaeb30 Subject: Re: LF: DF8XV? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF153C005C492D_1F68_3A951_webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493440832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d018.1 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fd4c96b0e03 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF153C005C492D_1F68_3A951_webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mike, well this was supposed to read "DF6NM" - maybe I should select a different = font for my Hell transmissions ;-) Thanks anyway for the report and screenshot, and also or the very pleasant = qrss/dfcw qso we had this morning. Have a good time, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Mike Dennison An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 10 Jun 2012 3:32 pm Betreff: LF: DF8XV? Received a Hell CQ from DF8XV this afternoon at a good strength. He=20 id not reply to my call. Who/where was he? Screen grab at: http://g3xdv.blog.com Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ----------MB_8CF153C005C492D_1F68_3A951_webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Mike,
 
well this was supposed to read "DF6NM" - maybe I should select a = different font for my Hell transmissions ;-)

Thanks anyway for the report and screenshot, and also or the very plea= sant qrss/dfcw qso we had this morning.
 
Have a good time,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
= -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Mike Dennison <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 10 Jun 2012 3:32 pm
Betreff: LF: DF8XV?

Receiv=
ed a Hell CQ from DF8XV this afternoon at a good strength. He=20
did not reply to my call. Who/where was he?

Screen grab at: http://g=
3xdv.blog.com

Mike, G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
----------MB_8CF153C005C492D_1F68_3A951_webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C0689100BB; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfYXy-0003QW-KB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:34:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfYXy-0003QN-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:34:50 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfYXv-0006vV-SJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:34:49 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnsNALJH209cF/mP/2dsb2JhbABFigaab48uAgKBK4EIghMFAQENAQEDQQgCIQsBAQgCAQMRBAEBCjkBBBgCBgwIAg4IBwQBCQECAgEBAQsEh1wDDwewOwOJWIs2SVaEcgONQ4hziBKBXoR7gmCBXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,417,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="38615428" Received: from host-92-23-249-143.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.249.143]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 16:34:46 +0100 Message-ID: <005101cd4b0c$627778a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:34:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: They are still fashionable around EU. What happens in your area when there are GPS jamming exercises and GPS is not available. In some places LORAN has started up again as standby for the Big Bang, they like their NDB'S in EU for the same reason g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: ac0f6ff1af52b6036ac1f4fe0c2bd52c Subject: LF: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:422486752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4fdb5657425b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none They are still fashionable around EU. What happens in your area when there are GPS jamming exercises and GPS is not available. In some places LORAN has started up again as standby for the Big Bang, they like their NDB'S in EU for the same reason g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? > >>NDB .... are often picked up a few hundred miles away and used for cross > >>checking and used more often than you think. > > These things are dropping like flies in North America and especially, where > one would think they would be most useful...Alaska. Many NDBs over here go > on miskeying for months and months before anyone even notices they are > sending gibberish. Inexpensive and reliable GPS systems and RNAV > approach/departures have sealed their fate. > > > > WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms.html > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CDB9D380000C3; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgG6m-00061n-Q5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:05:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgG6m-00061e-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:05:40 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgG6k-000715-Ih for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:05:39 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5HE5aC6008305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:05:36 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5HE5a7I003152 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:05:36 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:03:53 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the band noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 59677119386dcf9f1872cb454dc1331d Subject: LF: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:432316320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4fdde46c6bd9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the band noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in these first days... 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E957F380000F0; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkADW-0004Sw-Nw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:36:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkADW-0004Sn-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:36:46 +0100 Received: from nm19.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkADU-000818-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:36:44 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm19.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 08:36:42 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.117] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 08:36:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 08:36:42 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 750591.12985.bm@omp1026.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 49606 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2012 08:36:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340872602; bh=xJD0jWD2KEOLXNaviZTZu8VP9xj0lEvYnw5uZOb13Vg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K4udq+A9fodlRBEMdnjT5t2D0DnPvC81Fm4Zdx/kBFaqaru3R1eL95fsRXmM3txa6OO8pLvXBf8STaa2mpI22C4z1VgD0X/DsVDarkLe1KAem5Qv3NTdFn3baXA+gVwQ7W79Y1mbg/DI1j09gLmn97n9ZcCeE6edAFaJzv+ffuo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RxCPk41HezNFA6LuJcC4a01/LS2ExVXExvs1h69vpiFxxTvmpx3ek4/gtMh5veLMhDhXK4Kcdjt9A3b9LeW4Gdtp6n2K51n3WDrbjWJCPgbUt0ou25EShx6o8v5LnCI4/ts/HufeIOzQgqKtJ2/3UjhJXWvfpFXzWgNYpSxs27Y=; X-YMail-OSG: keJ_BfMVM1njtAuBgErFla7stjE_CyI3wzyYEryAHLLCpZT K.PgPljDkpKAo1Ffr2WreP4K8TKbHD.Yvh2et0i1Vp7Y47U270vjodG_wBhh XpYM5WuRWhxBrAM6KgxCht3_iMEZcBXUMIezanqSwLuMJRgZstyverreUY68 fIo3K5jlD16b7tSb85X3v2pmX94StJDbifbODzjK2Lck8GR9vgyIC.Z13UGU 08dYsQgPWmeYv0OXag5FJdNkoZq7eXnMDv01HAAORT3k6lvDJ4Fu9CtvFc77 9YA3sUxAzQP6mqghlyOQb96SnlmVMUgrIoc0c2SF.EaOImOxnn3TG_xKIJGb jRINu65J.kch_FIaeVBw2xLWz6kEF0FRQTFYIH07KDaG9gv.3IRPhm_6okof b9joRFVe3u8qOZWQPZhjbh7LO1CZLX083z25TJKi01IhgCjfz5tzCZrc- Received: from [86.163.214.230] by web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:36:42 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> Message-ID: <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:36:42 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hi Stephan Me Too 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.76 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1e15d6d6179985f133b43d42d658878a Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1507048413-807497325-1340872602=:49196" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488465888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m012.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904fec17d7574e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1507048413-807497325-1340872602=:49196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AHi Stephan=0A=0AMe Too=0A=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A______= __________________________=0A From: "PA1SDB, Peter" =0ATo= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12=0ASubj= ect: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A =0A=0A =0Alike =0A=0A---= -- Original Message ----- =0A>From: Rik Strobbe =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM =0A>Subject: LF: RE= : 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =0A>=0A> =0A>If=A0someone is=A0interested i= =A0may=A0convert the circuit=A0from=A0my=A0mind=A0into a schematic as a= =A0png file. =0A>=A0 =0A>Always=A0interested ;-) =0A>=A0 =0A>73, Rik=A0=A0O= N7YD - OR7T --1507048413-807497325-1340872602=:49196 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--1507048413-807497325-1340872602=:49196-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DEDB038000085; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si6eB-0006j6-6i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:23:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si6eA-0006ix-Na for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:23:46 +0100 Received: from f51.mail.ru ([217.69.128.71]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6e8-0007jv-AQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:23:45 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=mail.ru Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; h=Content-Type:Message-ID:Reply-To:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Mime-Version:Subject:To:From; bh=VJhlLyNdmRJtmL3wiSAEtzYwpO+HSmujYSQCSCiS1g8=; b=NJ5gE5+d0rBHTmF/kxNL7UpPJEm3Uytp/YCGeAO9/bXNveti76T/2/V89jwPBG3yeoeTJcsXjuaHjBZsPHbwkuRaEFOke6TdWYMhaiyL2mZNqgmHF6WDFLcqtqTGTjjk; Received: from mail by f51.mail.ru with local (envelope-from ) id 1Si6e6-0003Fu-2r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:23:42 +0400 Received: from [213.87.143.87] by e.mail.ru with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:23:42 +0400 From: =?UTF-8?B?QWxleCBL?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [213.87.143.87] Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:23:42 +0400 References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: Message-ID: <1340382221.784006918@f51.mail.ru> X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello LF! RN3AUS grabber is ON (TDY and TMR) in QRSS-60 mode. If will no QRSS activity, will switch to OPERA mode. http://rn3aus-lf-grabber.narod.ru 73 de rn3aus/Alex Hello LF! RN3AUS grabber is ON (TDY and TMR) in QRSS-60 mode. If will no QRSS activity, will switch to OPERA mode. http://rn3aus-lf-grabber.narod.ru [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.69.128.71 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 RATWARE_MPOP_WEBMAIL Bulk email fingerprint (mPOP Web-Mail) 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rn3aus[at]mail.ru) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.1 FROM_EXCESS_BASE64 From: base64 encoded unnecessarily X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: LF: =?UTF-8?B?Uk4zQVVTIGdyYWJiZXIgT04u?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--ALT--3w0PMBfI1340382222" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:301419040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m017.2 ; domain : mail.ru DKIM : fail X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fe49c4d6575 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ----ALT--3w0PMBfI1340382222 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGVsbG8gTEYhClJOM0FVUyBncmFiYmVyIGlzIE9OIChURFkgYW5kIFRNUikgaW4gUVJTUy02MCBt b2RlLiBJZiB3aWxsIG5vIFFSU1MgYWN0aXZpdHksIHdpbGwgc3dpdGNoIHRvIE9QRVJBIG1vZGUu Cmh0dHA6Ly9ybjNhdXMtbGYtZ3JhYmJlci5uYXJvZC5ydQoKNzMgZGUgcm4zYXVzL0FsZXgKCiAK ICAK ----ALT--3w0PMBfI1340382222 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 CjxIVE1MPjxCT0RZPkhlbGxvIExGITxicj5STjNBVVMgZ3JhYmJlciBpcyBPTiAoVERZIGFuZCBU TVIpIGluIFFSU1MtNjAgbW9kZS4gSWYgd2lsbCBubyBRUlNTIGFjdGl2aXR5LCB3aWxsIHN3aXRj aCB0byBPUEVSQSBtb2RlLjxicj5odHRwOi8vcm4zYXVzLWxmLWdyYWJiZXIubmFyb2QucnU8YnI+ PGJyPjczIGRlIHJuM2F1cy9BbGV4PGJyPjxiciBzdHlsZT0ib3ZlcmZsb3c6IGF1dG87IiBkaXI9 Imx0ciIgaWQ9InRpbnltY2UiIGNsYXNzPSJtY2VDb250ZW50Qm9keSAiIGNvbnRlbnRlZGl0YWJs ZT0idHJ1ZSI+Cgk8YmxvY2txdW90ZSBzdHlsZT0iYm9yZGVyLWxlZnQ6MXB4IHNvbGlkICMwODU3 QTY7IG1hcmdpbjoxMHB4OyBwYWRkaW5nOjAgMCAwIDEwcHg7IiBjbGFzcz0ibWFpbHJ1LWJsb2Nr cXVvdGUiPjxkaXYgaWQ9IiI+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0ianMtaGVscGVyIGpzLXJlYWRtc2ctbXNnIj4K CgkKPC9kaXY+CgoKCgoKCgo8L2Rpdj4KPC9ibG9ja3F1b3RlPgo8YnI+PC9CT0RZPjwvSFRNTD4K ----ALT--3w0PMBfI1340382222-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EA86538000089; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbC1w-0000Us-Mp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:43:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbC1w-0000Uj-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:43:44 +0100 Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbC1u-0001rh-DS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:43:43 +0100 Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hqhj1j0031GhbT854qjgV1; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:43:40 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hqjg1j00F0CFS1j3TqjgBl; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:43:40 +0000 Message-ID: <00a201cd4197$444c2340$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:43:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 2.1 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: <2 cents> It seems only a couple folks are requesting an immediate shutdown of blacksheep. Why not let both run simultaneously for some time and see which wins out? It should be a simple matter to judge, after a period of time, which is more popular. [...] Content analysis details: (2.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.40 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D 0.0 FAKE_REPLY_C FAKE_REPLY_C X-Scan-Signature: 59677119386dcf9f1872cb454dc1331d Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:294346912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40924fcb78557ec5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none <2 cents> It seems only a couple folks are requesting an immediate shutdown of blacksheep. Why not let both run simultaneously for some time and see which wins out? It should be a simple matter to judge, after a period of time, which is more popular. Some folks (me included) are not interested in having their messages archived for eternity ... or looking for a place to upload articles or pictures of a new gadget. There are other simple options for doing this outside of yahoo. I don't want to notified each time someone uploads a new snapshot. I'm set up to receive both yahoo and blacksheep via e mail so don't see the 'fuss' to receive both. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A50A238000133; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Siqwa-0007c7-PS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:49:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Siqwa-0007by-9C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:49:52 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiqwY-0002tJ-OR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:49:51 +0100 Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so1834762wib.10 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qxN8velzZhdpzUYlA/TnXSMC5HMT22SYZXDSDdClnTY=; b=QPg8Bey65kOG053IBCtOxWA9J30L8uMGVKnOe+obRXePwNRT87SqehtdYDcHSRU5h1 KZaRtWN+F3z9ANoPtJEnuTuCCZAXzbJIUexCblkOx1iH5PEDxvLPMJ5j6034VwBFGONH F1EJz7zLCxxiszkXjuUfKvVFVE9koDeExfoU8N/iBfu5xdYTp9uUQinlzMvWHzoorB4G TRXiDOdIi4L8d2aeacTZkfKAM2a67gk4nlvTSJ/tICjxcwzHkE6axd/2d9Pd2d0bptrU xv5WKcsDA0uQH9Qy3jfjigl22CjgAWe42JW/QS5FQrcjh5GOboytn5vXP2XnzZ2Gi4Xa DF7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.98.69 with SMTP id eg5mr19191361wib.3.1340560189745; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000901cd522f$a0b3f060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <000901cd522f$a0b3f060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:49:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK going even further OT John Pitcairn (father of Robert Pitcairn, of the eponymous islands) is buried in the crypt beneath my Church (Christ Church in the City of Boston, otherwise known as Old North Church). [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:418717600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d017.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fe753774be3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none OK going even further OT John Pitcairn (father of Robert Pitcairn, of the eponymous islands) is buried in the crypt beneath my Church (Christ Church in the City of Boston, otherwise known as Old North Church). 73 Warren K2ORS On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 1:34 PM, mal hamilton wrote= : > =A0=A0=A0 Graham > Reference Pitcairn Is. > I spent some time around=A0these=A0Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spen= t > Christmas on Christmas Island 1958 > See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and al= l > that !! especially South Hotel St > I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 metres= . > I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. > Daytime very quiet. > g3kev > > > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F30EC3800009D; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUv6-0005aW-9k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:31:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUv5-0005aL-Oh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:30:59 +0100 Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjUv4-0005yw-18 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:30:58 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=mail.dk; s=dkim512; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@mail.dk; t=1340713855; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Reply-To:X-TDCLU:X-TDC-Sender-From-IP:X-TDCCM:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=opf556DH8nWanCYGJDGILlkh9krwP2NgcQURvd8AehA=; b=mW+uDklYpP/3qnSwlcDRCAFEDFfEFLDKaq+0MffTga1SnNdocL1ZTAR4aIWyCup1 ZY1bZQcQOG8wlUw9b0giDw==; X-TDCO-HELO: oz7foc X-TDC-Sender-From-IP: 80.162.212.91 X-TDCCM: v=2.0 cv=EJSxGxGO c=1 sm=0 a=2xLUAJHh/5GXj+iJBlPxmQ==:17 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=UxXfPvZESZ71XRZxn6cA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=bnqIc7hgryEYcXtqV3kA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=2xLUAJHh/5GXj+iJBlPxmQ==:117 X-TDCLU: MTIwMTAxNDE5Mjcw Received: from [80.162.212.91] ([80.162.212.91:27668] helo=oz7foc) by fep42.mail.dk (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.50 r()) with ESMTPA id F8/B5-07981-F7BA9EF4; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:30:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Niels Rask" To: References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> <4FE9A825.2060607@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:31:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: hi stefan ok i try to b qrv from 20z on 472,5 cw de oz7foc ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: 472khz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.41.46.225 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f1498eebf16822c5ea85527a90413169 Subject: Re: LF: 472khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0411_01CD5397.8DCAD5E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485611328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m014.2 ; domain : mail.dk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a4fe9abb1774a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0411_01CD5397.8DCAD5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi stefan ok i try to b qrv from 20z on 472,5 cw de oz7foc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: 472khz Niels, Are you QRV this evening? I am QRV in CW on 472 kHz as well. I would = like to try today, maybe 21 UTC or so? Looking forward to hear and see my first station from OZ below 1 MHz! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.06.2012 12:15, schrieb Niels Rask:=20 now i got my permission to 472-479 khz . am qrv on cw de oz7foc/niels ------=_NextPart_000_0411_01CD5397.8DCAD5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi stefan ok i try to b qrv from 20z on = 472,5 cw de=20 oz7foc
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 12:16=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 472khz

Niels,

Are you QRV this evening? I am QRV in CW = on 472=20 kHz as well. I would like to try today, maybe 21 UTC or so?
Looking = forward=20 to hear and see my first station from OZ below 1 MHz!

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 26.06.2012 12:15, schrieb Niels Rask:=20
now i got my permission to 472-479 = khz .=20 am qrv on cw
de=20 oz7foc/niels
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Content preview: Victor, This will do the trick http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ OPERA v1.4.1 [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.39 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e4383209d2ccb9552700d53c0b540538 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:214523376:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fd23db11620 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Victor, This will do the trick http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ OPERA v1.4.1 73, Albert From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8E99538002BA1; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh35X-0005EN-54 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:23:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh35W-0005EE-NY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:23:38 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh35U-0005aO-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:23:37 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.187]) by mwinf5d69 with ME id QJPb1j00J42DYwa03JPbNZ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:23:36 +0200 Message-ID: <036EE742A47047668A704A59E8783090@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <008a01cd4e46$1eaace00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <008a01cd4e46$1eaace00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:23:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:05 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Everything is made of straw !!!! even my HAT made in Malaya, designer = label 9M2CC Is there another material ???????? =20 G3KEV/9M2CC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw??? 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01CD4E51.0566E7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As long  as  you  don't get  confused  for = the  'Wicker Man'    !!!!
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034

Everything is made of straw !!!! even my HAT = made in=20 Malaya, designer label 9M2CC  Is there another material=20  ???????? 
G3KEV/9M2CC
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 5:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay = 034

Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of=20 straw???

73, Stefan

Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal = hamilton:=20
Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0090_01CD4E51.0566E7C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5C57F380000B4; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh7tO-0007MH-U6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:31:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh7tO-0007M8-6g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:31:26 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh7tM-000795-7h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:31:25 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5JNVMZN027983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:31:23 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5JNVMxP031087 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:31:22 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE10B61.7060202@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:29:37 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5JNVMZN027983 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, I took the QRSS/CW beacon signal from IQ2MI as the test signal. It was very well audible here, R5. It was interesting to see the deep QSB. Both, my small active antenna and the transmit antenna show the same S/N but maybe it would be useful to use a antenna switch to compare the S/N without having a time delay (changing the antenna cables), due to the QSB... 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It was=20 very well audible here, R5. It was interesting to see the deep QSB.=20 Both, my small active antenna and the transmit antenna show the same S/N=20 but maybe it would be useful to use a antenna switch to compare the S/N=20 without having a time delay (changing the antenna cables), due to the QSB= ... 73s.. Am 20.06.2012 00:44, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > Rik, MF, > > Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much=20 > better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem.=20 > Maybe you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? > > It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that=20 > many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops=20 > that were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. > > I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test=20 > signals from amateurs. > > 73, Stefan > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 882D7380000A0; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si2gK-0005Jl-69 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:09:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si2gJ-0005Jc-Mc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:09:43 +0100 Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si2gH-00040M-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:09:42 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.54] by nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 12:09:40 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 12:09:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 12:09:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 399142.82165.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 31876 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2012 12:09:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=FAfWHuaGO9+MhaJ1NMB93xx0J1cOWF4B762sOhYMa4InXqNxSXFTk+hL216PZg+EXWER/Pb5mhGk4iwpXxJmtZqypCCqwcAA6R81Zy2hOZhg5pN6hiCfMyigYR1ZvwuwIXMYHS8v6UtcDWhmUOHMj5fVbBnCYzcSj3AWILn//+s= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1340366980; bh=3lY1ztaoXKmr461UBbHdC56+1Z7p7mQofjntiBc2KPk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=kzaFUOn4lwVDLDpqyc8wsV5EaP+fMLuADZcxWF+jgLi4jmeqnY/S4ndbDvM2wzDQ2RP2xYalHufCgUyZsqlwaqxgPZy4LFEnK2NvODn3BmOtM3q/KwmqogDBCXtAxqSJKALaGSDPuCcu2g8c63E9cFCvyS3WwcArPari3XtHaLo= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: CBSAPOUVM1mXpgowrr8zsH7HIBVrS42eAHrzS7IagTp__ko w0UV.rw8sNWbsjT_nOyYztJrw0GAcvatPinNYBJO8_NBz2YGF4iNVLsgSno5 EeU7iAbZWlh6ZYCOvvrFcBoBModLTxCIh4_QPPvcXS39ZdkU1FsrmPMQ7tVM NbuxG1HR3RkF6668zo1wPTKPpxibjIp13f8k1vl3ogy17ruIIxKpy_iZ96bs mZJz9zuaf4MG1EH7Fq4s67m7kMRrbhZTB6A7IXPT61mVo_Hn.PSclePdGaaI OBuIVX2bSo7x7QYfSaEx0Lhm8iYaA7ZAQwtT3jl4TOal1mugUqvF.wNSuWkD lKN5Z4S2TQhtySn8V_rMhbZX3..0YcFm6JJcFHSsPxmydU2c4iDvQ8qhh0mL c0jEPPsTMIm6j0MDFDVMruKmR X-Yahoo-SMTP: fpz.2VeswBBs59bVshRPmMN51lcO2lgFRIvE4XTqE8dRwOxd70E- Received: from lark (alan.melia@109.145.215.32 with login) by smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2012 05:09:40 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <001901cd5070$2a261330$4001a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> <6FDC0CECCC3645EB922AF21E66965518@AGB> <90E09B502D3D481992365586D42423DA@AGB> <5D772617FCC94283913EDABE7CB175FE@gnat> <5D44E645126C4841A77C08064C39E92C@AGB> <0A95C758FACE461EB248D3CE5650202E@AGB> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:09:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.2001 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2001 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120622-0, 22/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok wrong interpretation in the last email. The folded back section would seem to be a "spoiler" to me. It would seem to me to be better to slope it away out of the plane of the top-wire and radial (out of the plane of the drawing) if possible. I "think" this would give some advatage :-)) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.21 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: d7907c3bf895ca41e0bedc3fa074f0d4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:400114688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d296.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d94fe460d57956 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Ok wrong interpretation in the last email. The folded back section would seem to be a "spoiler" to me. It would seem to me to be better to slope it away out of the plane of the top-wire and radial (out of the plane of the drawing) if possible. I "think" this would give some advatage :-)) Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:01 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? oK Alan This would be the lay-out, the lower run would be about 10 ft up from the raised radial , which may increase the ae amps in the vertical section ? when you say , reduce the affective height , ....... top wire is still at 40 ft , far end of the top wire slopes to ground as is , This may increase the amps to ground , at the far end of the top wire , then cause the vertical section feed to increase ? G. From: Alan Melia Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:22 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Grahan .mmmmm 10 feet?? that could reduce your effective height to 10feet makingi it 6dB (maybe not quite that bad) worse than the 40 foot pole on its own. The only plus point would be if that "radial" gives you a substantial reduction in ground loss.....which I doubt is the case. Seriously you do need to measure it to get the best out of a difficult situation.......no amount of urban myth will give the right answer. Remember higher "aerial current" is no use if its going straight to ground (like a shunt cap across the feed point) and not traversing the radiation resistance. You want as much current as possible to flow though the radiation resistance (the vertical bit connected to the feed point) then you want a big cap (=low impedance) from the top of the loading coil to earth for the "return current" (low loss resistance) Not a very technical way of describing it :-)) even capacitance from the active pole to ground gives some loss....the inductive top load reduces that by reducing the voltage on that section. Alan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BD87838000087; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgU7r-0008QN-Tk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:03:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgU7r-0008QE-9l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:03:43 +0100 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1SgU7p-0001hV-0b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:03:42 +0100 Received: from Vaio3 (d198.HkanagawaFL27.vectant.ne.jp [222.228.202.198]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5AA2E35914 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:03:36 +0900 (JST) From: "7L1RLL-Rick" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:03:23 +0900 Organization: RLL Message-ID: <016c01cd4d0f$affaf480$0501a8c0@Vaio3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Thread-Index: Ac1K3UINbpKgOQBJTWyPe2LoysbY4ACMDRtw X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Albert, I have installed two copies of Opera 142_beta on both W7 and XP machine. But the assigned frequencies are something off-band after January 1st 2013. 477kHz (USB) Op8 (478.5-478.6kHz) will be no problem in world wide, but Op4 (478.6-479.8kHz) may be 478.6kHz to 478.8kHz. Please confirm above if it is typographic error. 73 Rick Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: RE: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:392599552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fdeb70639bc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Albert, I have installed two copies of Opera 142_beta on both W7 and XP machine. But the assigned frequencies are something off-band after January 1st 2013. 477kHz (USB) Op8 (478.5-478.6kHz) will be no problem in world wide, but Op4 (478.6-479.8kHz) may be 478.6kHz to 478.8kHz. Please confirm above if it is typographic error. 73 Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Albert Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:55 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 94781380000BF; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SinT4-0005vl-QR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:07:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SinT4-0005va-CE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:07:10 +0100 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SinT0-000209-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:07:09 +0100 Received: by wejx9 with SMTP id x9so4379741wej.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fr8q6LCdUIYpb6HFCwLWdh8OkbtaFwvyesQS8mzEows=; b=dUCBw9jSBCBHc5JYwaojd5XhYXiw735ZZOx3VCbru0YQFeCI3x232msEAg53fNKtbV /nS2SK3oZqzRikNF7zYHj2I8CegjdPjmUWKw+1GmjiOQzgGxwdLByTef9iccgUlguest qDWh2Iy/HpAlF67ZQh95oYthN4Cs8viN8YwMdP+awNPH5XuJHpBQBpe1lHGMPWOWB7Na EaZuGxdzoqrhGA5Lt/xqu9mkOcZrCBcZl8IFXZs3hIL5vTzMxExVXNkxILhdwHPQ5wnt FT010/aouH3cRcwvCl8bJciydoXM/tnfdvcYlShKy3mHDBW8GL8bRsCMxQMHFNg01HYa zKsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.109.194 with SMTP id hu2mr17838650wib.0.1340546825657; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:07:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FE71CBD.9070006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <4FE71CBD.9070006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:07:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, This is not for the LF loop tuner, which uses a 15kV vacuum variable and is working fine. The capacitor is for a balanced, link-coupled HF tuner. I should have marked my post as OT. 73 Warren [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c0e6e8bcdc231effb9da2003d606d9a2 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:511067072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m413.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fe71f3c75a7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, This is not for the LF loop tuner, which uses a 15kV vacuum variable and is working fine. The capacitor is for a balanced, link-coupled HF tuner. I should have marked my post as OT. 73 Warren On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Probably, if Warren wants to have replacement parts for his transmit loop > tuner, then he will need parts of another league. 4 kV is nothing as well= as > 10 A RF current in a loop is nothing :-) > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 24.06.2012 14:00, schrieb Clemens Paul: > >> Hi Warren, >> >> perhaps you might might find something suitable there: >> http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm >> >> They have - among other stuff - =A0split stator cap. kits up to >> 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). >> >> >> You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator >> capacitor, >> so you maybe could realize other values. >> >> >> 73 >> Clemens >> DL4RAJ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" >> To: "rsgb_lf_group" >> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM >> Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? >> >> >> Hello the list, >> =A0Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester >> which now has taken over Jackson Bros? >> I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced >> link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> >> ----- >> E-Mail ist virenfrei. >> Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de >> Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5088 - Ausgabedatum: >> 23.06.2012 >> >> > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9F99D38000094; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 06:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScwrF-0007br-W5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 11:55:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScwrF-0007bi-Fw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 11:55:57 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScwrD-0007Ab-GV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 11:55:56 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q58AtrWI005555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:55:54 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q58AtrgW010753 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:55:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:54:20 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF! Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49FV26GJ). If someone of the others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some images to http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. 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Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49FV26GJ). If someone of the others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some images to http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB45038000085; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHei-0005qz-CW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:44:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHeh-0005qq-N4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:44:07 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbHef-0003dz-LF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:44:06 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6ACF134321; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:44:02 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 151qFcur80464M02; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:43:59 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.3] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID164qFcur85891X02; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:43:59 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.3 IN dibene@usa.net imap03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID164qFcur85891X02 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.22.185] by imap03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 772qFcur79616M23; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:43:58 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.22.185 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:43:55 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-1, 06/03/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID772qFcur79616X23 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 6/3/2012 7:30 PM, pws wrote: > I'm running Beagle on Gnome for indexing and search for any kind of > information stored locally. > > Postings, images and other "information" which are "Googleable" > or "Yapooable" will be more a problem than a feature in the > future. > > There's only one advantage using those modern, advertisement > driven open systems. You always have to keep in mind: > "don't post when coming from pub." > > So, please tell me what is "outdated" here? What is outdated is the fact that to use your technique of finding relevant contents, one would be forced to store everything locally.... then of course any decent tool like Google Desktop can index and find what one is interested in. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fb3e28a759dea7e01d34d3fe7de7ae98 Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080100040300000201040902" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427380544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554fcbccd00dba X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080100040300000201040902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/3/2012 7:30 PM, pws wrote: > I'm running Beagle on Gnome for indexing and search for any kind of > information stored locally. > > Postings, images and other "information" which are "Googleable" > or "Yapooable" will be more a problem than a feature in the > future. > > There's only one advantage using those modern, advertisement > driven open systems. You always have to keep in mind: > "don't post when coming from pub." > > So, please tell me what is "outdated" here? What is outdated is the fact that to use your technique of finding relevant contents, one would be forced to store everything locally.... then of course any decent tool like Google Desktop can index and find what one is interested in. IMHO, it is much more intelligent and rationale to have a central repository, where everything is archived, instead of duplicating on each user PC all the past messages of the group. 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------080100040300000201040902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/3/2012 7:30 PM, pws wrote: 
I'm running Beagle on Gnome for indexing and search =
for any kind of
information stored locally.

Postings, images and other "information" which are "Googleable"
or "Yapooable" will be more a problem than a feature in the
future.

There's only one advantage using those modern, advertisement
driven open systems. You always have to keep in mind:
"don't post when coming from pub."

So, please tell me what is "outdated" here?
What is outdated is the fact that to use your technique of finding relevant contents,
one would be forced to store everything locally.... then of course any decent tool
like Google Desktop can index and find what one is interested in.
IMHO, it is much more intelligent and rationale to have a central repository, where
everything is archived, instead of duplicating on each user PC all the past messages of
the group.

73=A0 Alberto=A0 I2PHD

 --------------080100040300000201040902-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DCEB4380000B1; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYpP-0004ZV-F6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:04:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYpO-0004ZM-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:04:18 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbYpL-0007Gr-L4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:04:17 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AigFAArOzE9cF/ub/2dsb2JhbABEhU6ZBYUDh2ABiHSBCIITBQEBBQgBAQMWMwIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKIQICFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBCYdjAw8HpCeIPg2JTooxYBuEY4ESA409iG2JbIR7gmCBXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,713,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="393337517" Received: from host-92-23-251-155.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.251.155]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 16:04:13 +0100 Message-ID: <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:04:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Roger You are not keeping track of what is going on. I said earlier I would like an open democratic vote to take place on both reflectors. Open and transparent in simple language state your preference openly on the reflectors and not a closed shop vote via Yahoo only. Again I say there was nothing wrong with the old Blacksheep reflector it served its purpose well so why change. For me and others as expressed on here we do not need an archieve files system for either email input or picture uploads, just an activity alert system with small email attachments. End of story. The transition from one to the other was too rapid without consultation, had it been otherwise perhaps there would not have been so much controversey taking place. I have not voted for the reasons specified above. What ever the outcome I will not lose any sleep over it !!! but at least my opinion was heard. As far as possible I want to be in control of my files and other material that I have an interest in and not to be in the pockets of others. I can see your point of view that directs you in the opposite direction but that is your choice. This discussion at present is wasting too much of my DX ing time on all of the amateur bands especially 137 Khz to 50 Mhz, which is open fairly frequently these days. In between Horticultural outside activites ie planting, hay cutting, hedge cutting etc I am monitoring 136.5 and 502 Khz and 50.1 Mhz at the present time. For those so equipped pse call and I will respond on CW De mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: cdd2770020a136d9631c7b77577b7e9a Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F0_01CD4263.4CB3F4F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:518522912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574fccce9d4041 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01CD4263.4CB3F4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger You are not keeping track of what is going on. I said earlier I would like an open democratic vote to take place on = both reflectors. Open and transparent in simple language state your = preference openly on the reflectors and not a closed shop vote via Yahoo = only.=20 Again I say there was nothing wrong with the old Blacksheep reflector it = served its purpose well so why change. For me and others as expressed on = here we do not need an archieve files system for either email input or = picture uploads, just an activity alert system with small email = attachments. End of story. The transition from one to the other was too = rapid without consultation, had it been otherwise perhaps there would = not have been so much controversey taking place. I have not voted for the reasons specified above. What ever the outcome = I will not lose any sleep over it !!! but at least my opinion was heard. As far as possible I want to be in control of my files and other = material that I have an interest in and not to be in the pockets of = others. I can see your point of view that directs you in the opposite direction = but that is your choice. This discussion at present is wasting too much of my DX ing time on all = of the amateur bands especially 137 Khz to 50 Mhz, which is open fairly = frequently these days. In between Horticultural outside activites ie = planting, hay cutting, hedge cutting etc I am monitoring 136.5 and 502 = Khz and 50.1 Mhz at the present time. For those so equipped pse call and = I will respond on CW De mal/g3kev =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 2:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Mal, We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful = inputs.=20 By the way, have you voted yet? 73s=20 Roger -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 14:26, "mal hamilton" wrote: I am only quoting what you published reference items 9 and 10. In = some other messages from you there is also mention of vetting and = banning. Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to be = concerned.=20 I am merely pointing out concerns that I have about some of your = postings where vetting and banning keeps cropping up. My argument and others is that one should be allowed to get their = opinion heard without fear or favour and I do no like to bombarded with = words that imply restrictive practice. I am not aware of any attack going on but surely I am permitted to = challenge what others say, if it effects me and in this case the move to = the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as well and they are = expressing their opinions daily.=20 It particularly effects me since I am one of the few radio amateurs = that are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice on the reflector is = useful to update activity, propagation conditions, DX alerts and = technical data about changes of equipment, power etc. Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW or Opera.=20 de g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 12:33 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead = .....PLEASE Dear Mal, Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not = me.=20 Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" = wrote: Reference postings from G3XBM I am concerned about items 9 and 10 Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those = VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a = different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR What ever happens avoid him as a moderator de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan Melia ; Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer ; Markus Vester ; James Moritz=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest = that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group? In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, = outages, or problems with any group to which I belong or moderate. Instead they have had these advantages: 1.. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves = cluttered in-boxes) 2.. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes = before messages are received.=20 3.. All messages are archived and searchable. 4.. Large files can be stored.=20 5.. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.=20 6.. Links can be stored/shared=20 7.. Videos can be stored.=20 8.. Polls can be run.=20 9.. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of = moderators to speed up the process)=20 10.. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional = circumstances.=20 11.. Spam messages can be filtered 12.. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests = etc)=20 The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot = understand why the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this = week it is surely time. To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or = whatever) would take about 30 seconds and migration to it by all = interested members here would take about a day at most. All you need is = to agree a group name, who owns it, who can moderate posts and some = basic group ground rules/FAQs. Please, think about it again.=20 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01CD4263.4CB3F4F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Roger
You are not keeping track of what is going=20 on.
I said earlier I would like an open democratic = vote to=20 take place on both reflectors. Open and transparent in simple language = state=20 your preference openly on the reflectors and not a closed shop vote via = Yahoo=20 only.
Again I say there was nothing wrong with the old = Blacksheep reflector it served its purpose well so why change. For me = and others=20 as expressed on here we do not need an archieve files system for either = email=20 input or picture uploads, just an activity alert system with small email = attachments. End of story. The transition from one to the other was too = rapid=20 without consultation, had it been otherwise perhaps there would not have = been so=20 much controversey taking place.
I have not voted for the reasons specified = above. What=20 ever the outcome I will not lose any sleep over it !!! but at least my = opinion=20 was heard.
As far as possible I want to be in control of my = files and other material that I have an interest in and not to = be in=20 the pockets of others.
I can see your point of view=20 that directs you in the opposite direction but that is = your=20 choice.
This discussion at present is wasting too much = of my DX=20 ing time on all of the amateur bands especially 137 Khz to 50 Mhz, which = is open=20 fairly frequently these days. In between Horticultural outside = activites ie=20 planting, hay cutting, hedge cutting etc I am monitoring 136.5 and 502 = Khz and=20 50.1 Mhz at the present time. For those so equipped pse call = and  I=20 will respond on CW
De mal/g3kev
 
  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: An = "LF-reflector"=20 Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

Mal,

We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful = inputs. 

By the way, have you voted yet?

73s 
Roger

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 14:26, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

I am only quoting what you published = reference items 9=20 and 10. In some other messages from you there is also mention of = vetting and=20 banning. Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to = be=20 concerned.
 I am merely pointing out concerns that = I have=20 about some of your postings where vetting and banning keeps = cropping=20 up.
My argument and others is that one = should be=20 allowed to get their opinion heard without fear or favour and I do = no like=20 to bombarded with words that imply restrictive = practice.
I am not aware of any attack going on = but surely=20 I am permitted to challenge what others say, if it effects me = and in=20 this case the move to the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as = well=20 and they are expressing their opinions daily.
It particularly effects me since I am one of = the few=20 radio amateurs that are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a = voice=20 on the reflector is useful to update activity, propagation = conditions, DX alerts and technical data about = changes of=20 equipment, power etc.
Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie = CW=20 or Opera.
 
de g3kev
   
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 12:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: An=20 "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

Dear Mal,

Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? = Not=20 me. 

Please, stop this personal and nasty hate = campaign. 

73s
Roger
G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

Reference postings from = G3XBM
I am concerned about items 9  and=20 10
Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT = members=20 banned.
Sounds like a POLICE state and what are = the=20 credentials of those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member = probably=20 someone who has a different opinion or point of view from his or = even a=20 sense of HUMOUR
What ever happens avoid him as a=20 moderator
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn =
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20 ; Alan Melia ; Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer ; Markus=20 Vester ; James Moritz =
Sent: Wednesday, May = 23, 2012=20 9:51 PM
Subject: LF: An = "LF-reflector"=20 Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

With the latest outage (5 days already) may I = again=20 suggest that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo = group?

In=20 over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, = or=20 problems with any group to which I belong or = moderate.

Instead=20 they have had these advantages:
  1. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves = cluttered=20 in-boxes)
  2. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes = before=20 messages are received.=20
  3. All messages are archived and searchable.
  4. Large files can be stored.=20
  5. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.=20
  6. Links can be stored/shared=20
  7. Videos can be stored.=20
  8. Polls can be run.=20
  9. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of = moderators=20 to speed up the process)=20
  10. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional = circumstances.=20
  11. Spam messages can be filtered
  12. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests = etc)=20
The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply = cannot=20 understand why the change hasn't made years ago. With the = problems=20 this week it is surely time.

To set up a new Yahoo = group called=20 "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would take about 30 seconds and = migration=20 to it by all interested members here would take about a day at = most.=20 All you need is to agree a group name, who owns it, who can = moderate=20 posts and some basic group ground rules/FAQs.

Please, = think=20 about it again.

73s
Roger G3XBM

--=20
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

=
------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01CD4263.4CB3F4F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA4A938000081; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScfvZ-0003BV-NC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:51:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScfvZ-0003BM-0L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:51:17 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.laposte.net ([193.253.67.226] helo=smtpout.laposte.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScfvW-0002zn-BO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:51:15 +0100 Received: from wwinf8219 ([10.99.54.224]) by mwinf8501-out with ME id KUrD1j00A4qF5ki03UrDae; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:51:13 +0200 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:51:13 +0200 From: "manginbenoit.pro" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <1681559339.753475.1339087873235.JavaMail.www@wwinf8219> In-Reply-To: <4FD09E40.2050308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> <4FD0999E.3080206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1608727203.579919.1339071424127.JavaMail.www@wwinf8307> <4FD09E40.2050308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [82.246.206.85] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: This is the eternal question... QRSS is quite easier and most probably the only solution for most of us BUT: We are a quite a large lot to look forward "operator-hands-and-ears" CW activity. If 137 was more populated, maybe wouldn't it be so hard to QSO in regular CW, even with veeeeeeeery low ERPs. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [193.253.67.226 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (manginbenoit.pro[at]laposte.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 52d17ee6003fa6763aae891a69410baf Subject: Re: LF: MF Allocation (was:VX9MRC 504.1 kHz) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_753474_649698841.1339087873234" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446945856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fd0dc533d9c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_Part_753474_649698841.1339087873234 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the eternal question... QRSS is quite easier and most probably the only solution for most of us BUT= : We are a quite a large lot to look forward "operator-hands-and-ears" CW a= ctivity. If 137 was more populated, maybe wouldn't it be so hard to QSO in regular C= W, even with veeeeeeeery low ERPs.=20 That should be peanuts for you Stefan, once you get on the air another mons= trous signal. On MF, the problem is similar, although antenna efficiency is greater, and = CW should be easier.=20 Passionned with 160 meters, I would also focus on CW for MF 630 meters, wit= h probably a bit of slow CW beaconing or QSO, but just for fun. The no-comp= uter approach is something of a challenge. Remember, CW is "Man versus Machine !!!". 73 Ben > Message du 07/06/12 14:32 > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > Hi Ben, >=20 > I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small PA and = a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and so i w= ill not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within the band, hopef= ully. That makes things easier. > On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, maybe e= ven no computer. However Speclab would be fine to get an overview of the ba= nd activity and offers nice filter and noise reduction tools... > I'm really excited how the band will be populated. It's not so far away f= rom 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole for 80m, = configured as a T antenna will work reasonable if a suitable earth is avail= able. >=20 > But what's the problem in France? You have so much space for large antenn= as, don't you? Or do you live in Paris City? :-) >=20 > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > Am 07.06.2012 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:=20 Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP. >=20 > My "reasonable" setup indicates me that triple that value could be necess= ary... >=20 > CU there >=20 > Ben >=20 >=20 >=20 > Message du 07/06/12 14:12 > > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > > > I only heared some rumours about the permission starting January, 1st,= =20 > > 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is given out on th= e=20 > > Ham Radio 2012 (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php= )=20 > > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more realistic. > >=20 > > Time to build a suitable loading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH= =20 > > only... > >=20 > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > >=20 > > Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > > > Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles)=20 > > > granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ? > > > > > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our=20 > > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > Ben > >=20 > >=20 Une messagerie gratuite, garantie =C3=A0 vie et des services en plus, =C3= =A7a vous tente ? Je cr=C3=A9e ma bo=C3=AEte mail www.laposte.net ------=_Part_753474_649698841.1339087873234 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the eternal question...

QRSS is quite easier and most pr= obably the only solution for most of us BUT: We are a quite a large lot to&= nbsp;look forward "operator-hands-and-ears" CW activity= .

If 137 was more populated, maybe wouldn't it be so hard to QSO= in regular CW, even with veeeeeeeery low ERPs.

That should be = peanuts for you Stefan, once you get on the air another monstrous signal.
On MF, the problem is similar, although antenna efficiency is gre= ater, and CW should be easier.
Passionned with 160 meters, I would al= so focus on CW for MF 630 meters, with probably a bit of slow CW beaconing = or QSO, but just for fun. The no-computer approach is something of a challe= nge.

Remember, CW is "Man versus Machine !!!".
73

Ben




> Mess= age du 07/06/12 14:32
> De : "Stefan Schäfer"
= > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Copie à :
>= Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
>
> Hi Ben,
> > I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small P= A and a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and = so i will not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within the band,= hopefully. That makes things easier.
> On MF i plan to focus on pl= ain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, maybe even no computer. However Spec= lab would be fine to get an overview of the band activity and offers nice f= ilter and noise reduction tools...
> I'm really excited how the ban= d will be populated. It's not so far away from 1800 kHz and an ordinary ama= teur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole for 80m, configured as a T antenna will w= ork reasonable if a suitable earth is available.
>
> But w= hat's the problem in France? You have so much space for large antennas, don= 't you? Or do you live in Paris City? :-)
>
> 73, Stefan/D= K7FC
>
> Am 07.06.2012 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP= .
>
> My "reasonable" setup indicates me that  triple that value could be necessary...
>
> C= U there
>
> Ben
>
>
> > Message du 07/06/12 14:12
> > De : "Stefan Sch&au= ml;fer"
> > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> > Copie à :
> > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1= kHz
> >
> > I only heared some rumours about the per= mission starting January, 1st,
> > 2013, here in DL. Also i hea= rd rumours that a permit is given out on the
> > Ham Radio 2012= (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/in= dex.php)
> > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 = is more realistic.
> >
> > Time to build a suitable = loading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH
> > only...
= > >
> > 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> >
> > A= m 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:
> > > Are there= other EU countries (apart from the British Isles)
> > > gra= nting MF access to the amateur service so fast ?
> > >
&= gt; > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper fro= m our
> > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well = informed.
> > >
> > > 73
> > >> > > Ben
> >
> >
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= --_9d04d723-74bb-41f6-b5f8-c2fc17e09b12_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CD9243800008D; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SanaE-00070V-FV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:37:30 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SanaD-00070M-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:37:29 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SanaB-0005Rq-LK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:37:28 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d10 with ME id HQdS1j00B0Lx2rm03QdTf1; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:37:27 +0200 Message-ID: <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:37:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Wow and that was just using the Op w/fall ! You could reduce to 2 watts and still decode ! Glad the system is working for you G.. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 14e68a9cb6dee915a96310ea9bf261c5 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007E_01CD40C4.D956BB40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461793824:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824fca0938020e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CD40C4.D956BB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow and that was just using the Op w/fall ! You could reduce to = 2 watts and still decode ! =20 Glad the system is working for you=20 G..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Thanks Paul Graham is right about QRG. My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer (not = affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial could be 503.275 ? +/- a bit ! G. From: Clemens Paul=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting What is the actual tx qrg then? Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: = 01.06.2012=20 ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CD40C4.D956BB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow   and that  was  just using the  = Op =20 w/fall !  You  could  reduce to  2 watts   = and  still  decode !  
 
Glad the  system  is  working  for  you =
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Thanks Paul
 
Graham is right about QRG.
 
My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC = keyer=20 (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer = looking.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:12
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

could be   503.275  ?   +/-   a=20 bit  !
 
G.

From: Clemens = Paul=20
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at = all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject:=20 LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
  =
E-Mail ist virenfrei.
Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version:=20 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012=20


------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CD40C4.D956BB40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 801D5380000AD; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlUZ-0000qi-4e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:48:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlUY-0000qZ-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:48:26 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShlUW-0001eE-Ov for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:48:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.63]) by mwinf5d37 with ME id R5oM1j00J1MiB3W035oNiz; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:48:22 +0200 Message-ID: <6FDC0CECCC3645EB922AF21E66965518@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> In-Reply-To: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:48:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0115_01CD4FDE.6E0AD4B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81639 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448788640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fe35ea41e0d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01CD4FDE.6E0AD4B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0116_01CD4FDE.6E0AD4B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0116_01CD4FDE.6E0AD4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R Alan. Horizontal spread ......missing at the moment ... will have = another look out side , when the rain stops , horizontal open = box may be possible ..just=20 Tnx -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter too much :-)) The thing is to get as much wire as high as possible. Yes fold it back, = meander it....spacings less than about 2 feet dont add much over a = single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce = the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly = the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) = will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to = increase the radiation resistance. Your diagram is difficult to read but running one of the wires directly = under another will be of no benefit and may be worse than not having = it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at least 2 feet = aside before folding it back.......I think you get the idea. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: LF: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Any thoughts on the best configuration for the top wire ?? Tnx -G, ------=_NextPart_001_0116_01CD4FDE.6E0AD4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
R Alan.
 
Horizontal  spread  ......missing  at the  = moment=20 ...  will  have  another  look  out  = side  ,=20 when the  rain  stops ,  horizontal   = open  box=20 may  be  possible ..just
 
Tnx -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter = too much =20 :-))
The thing is to get as much wire as = high as=20 possible. Yes fold it back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 = feet dont=20 add much over a single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember = this may=20 reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase = slightly=20 the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage=20 points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to=20 ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) will = probably halve=20 you ground losses. It will do very little to increase the radiation=20 resistance.
 
Your diagram is difficult to read but = running one=20 of the wires directly under another will be of no benefit and may be = worse than=20 not having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at = least 2=20 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the = idea.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 4:17=20 PM
Subject: LF: InV L Top wire = config - Best=20 Option ??

InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best Option = ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  configuration  = for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
Tnx -G,
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Wow, Andrey! Very good hell reception. Once again i didn't expect this would be possible in middle of June in 2000km! Oops, DF&NM should read DF6NM of course... I think i will run the beacon overnight until i need the transmitter for QSOs tomorrow... Maybe you can hear it? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:467535296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fd28a380fcc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Wow, Andrey! Very good hell reception. Once again i didn't expect this would be possible in middle of June in 2000km! Oops, DF&NM should read DF6NM of course... I think i will run the beacon overnight until i need the transmitter for QSOs tomorrow... Maybe you can hear it? QRG 137.0 once again... 73 from inside the old car :-) Stefan Am 09.06.2012 01:16, schrieb rn3agc: > Markus, > > Excellent propagation! Your signal 10-12 db, Stefan ~20 db (audible)! > > Opera: > 22:29 136 PA0WMR Op8 -30 dB > > 73 > Andrey > > > Andrey, thanks for the nice report! > At 22:30 I sent another test in DFCW, and SNR at the fieldday site had > improved to 30 dB. > > 73, > Markus (DF6NM) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C4BC038000083; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfTEq-0001dB-Jh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:54:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfTEq-0001d2-80 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:54:44 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfTEo-0005No-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:54:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.178.25] (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5F9sakL085028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:54:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:54:36 +0200 From: Albert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.33 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7b4dbd93955117b98f3a6ac4d7602f88 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I think we should proceed with caution we are fortunate in having the full allocation others may not be so lucky also some of the dormant NDBs may be activated rendering parts of the band unusable for some modes. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: What's with the Microphone in the shot Mal? Next thing you know there will be the shadow of a PC monitor on the wall....... closet Machine minder? ....... hee hee :-) 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Cc: Saturday, 9 June 2012, 16:54 Subject: LF: Emailing: Image016 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 66d07794ca19cd68f7d6cc289cd4ac18 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-682119852-1339278991=:62676" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:391670144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m232.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41094fd3c6dd5e3c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-682119852-1339278991=:62676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What's with the Microphone in the shot Mal? =0A=A0=0ANext thing you know th= ere will be the shadow of a PC monitor on the wall....... closet=A0Machine = minder? ....... hee hee :-)=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_______= _________________________=0A From: mal hamilton =0AT= o: rsgb =0ACc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.= uk =0ASent: Saturday, 9 June 2012, 16:54=0ASubject: LF: Emailing: Image016= =0A =0A=0A =0ALF =0AMk1 137 Khz secret weapon home built that has crossed= the Atlantic and =0Abeyond many times over the years on 137 using=A0both= =A0CW and QRS3. =0APA consists of 4 FETS in class D push pull driven from a= 13.7 Mhz vfo =0Asource and a divider/driver interface to arrive at 137. = =0A=0AMk2 version already in service=A0will appear =0Asoon =0Ag3kev ---357169082-682119852-1339278991=:62676 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What's with the Mic= rophone in the shot Mal?
 
Next thing you know there will be the shadow of a PC monitor on the wal= l....... closet Machine minder? ....... hee hee :-)
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co= .uk
Sent: Saturday, 9= June 2012, 16:54
Subject:= LF: Emailing: Image016

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---357169082-682119852-1339278991=:62676-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 067AE38000092; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 04:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdzuK-0005iK-Ds for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:23:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdzuJ-0005iB-MO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:23:27 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdzuH-0002qf-Ev for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:23:26 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqcFAMup1U9Ok8rY/2dsb2JhbABFnwaEf5BVgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKJRQBBBoGDAoIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPtzyKRmGCToMbA40+kl6EfYJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,387,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="541108807" Received: from host-78-147-202-216.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.202.216]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jun 2012 09:23:23 +0100 Message-ID: <002101cd47ab$75b09960$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <004201cd4730$cc020860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57131D54FA1241D8BBE53212C31F7BF0@Shack> <006601cd473d$d4da5cf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <0AE0F5F0-4E73-42A7-B7D4-8EAA5DD84524@thelortons.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:23:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Clive Poor turn out with 167 members and only 57 voted. 70% of 57= 39.9 members for Yahoo I will manage with or without a reflector, LF es MF because of the very poor band occupancy is but a small part of my amateur radio activities. I will be more interested in 6m es 10m when the bands really open up during sunspot max For a beginner on LF or MF the amount of QSO acty is so poor it does not justify the effort required to get a station operational. 73 mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f9bb43a66658129469273581af35b296 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Votes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD47AB.7566BF20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:502244896:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a4fd5ab5b5ed5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD47AB.7566BF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clive Poor turn out with 167 members and only 57 voted. 70% of 57=3D 39.9 = members for Yahoo I will manage with or without a reflector, LF es MF because of the very = poor band occupancy is but a small part of my amateur radio activities. = I will be more interested in 6m es 10m when the bands really open up = during sunspot max=20 For a beginner on LF or MF the amount of QSO acty is so poor it does not = justify the effort required to get a station operational. =20 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clive Lorton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:13 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Votes Mal, you have Yahoo sussed to be able to read the results. But only 2 = - G3's voted. What a shame=85 Still listining Still lurking Cliveg g8poc=20 On 10 Jun 2012, at 20:18, mal hamilton wrote: Ok Tony But two thirds of the members did not vote, g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:15 PM Subject: LF: Re: Votes 70% Yahoo 10% Black Sheep 19% Continue with both No idea who the other 1% is ;-) Tony, EI8JK ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM Subject: LF: Votes Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how = many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the = way to go. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD47AB.7566BF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Clive
Poor turn out with 167 members and only 57 = voted. 70% of=20 57=3D 39.9 members for Yahoo
I will manage with or without a reflector, LF es = MF=20 because of the very poor band occupancy is but a small part of my = amateur radio=20 activities. I will be more interested in 6m es 10m when the bands=20 really open up during sunspot max
For a beginner on LF or MF the amount of QSO = acty is so=20 poor it does not justify the effort required to get a station = operational.=20   
73 mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clive=20 Lorton
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: = Votes

Mal, you have Yahoo sussed to be able to read the = results. But=20 only 2 - G3's voted.
What a shame=85

Still listining Still lurking

Cliveg g8poc 

On 10 Jun 2012, at 20:18, mal hamilton wrote:
Ok Tony
But two thirds of the members did not=20 vote,
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 6:15=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Votes

70% Yahoo
10% Black Sheep
19% Continue with = both
 
No idea who the other 1% is = ;-)
 
Tony, EI8JK
 
----- Original Message = -----
From: mal hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 5:45=20 PM
Subject: LF: Votes

Well
Only 57 votes and 167 members of the = Yahoo group.=20 Out of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look = convincing that=20 Yahoo was the way to go.
g3kev
=
 

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD47AB.7566BF20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B230C38000083; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SinPM-0005oQ-1w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:03:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SinPL-0005oF-HE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:03:19 +0100 Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SinPD-0001xF-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:03:18 +0100 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=V3WLVhl+P3CA21cxT3BDjnH2ov/236s/Q9x1CHT8c/8+5Xt1mgy5bZbs/YVl/DQO; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.67] (helo=wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SinOr-0002ZA-7Y; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:02:49 -0400 Received: from 97.117.198.235 by webmail.c.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:02:48 -0400 Message-ID: <12295237.1340546569220.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Trask To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c2609c111d02531985bea87e38bdced8a6cb1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.67 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > >Thanks for sharing this interesting paper. Well, the circuit looks quite >complex but the image of the final construction looks compact. >Since we got access to 472 kHz a weeks ago, i need another receive >antenna now, since all my front ends are resonanted, i.e. mono band. So >the advantage of a single receive antenna becomes more and more >convincing to me. Of course it needs a high dynamic range without >distortion of the spectrum then.. > >A question: The DC supply voltage is connected to e.g. C16? > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.86.89.65 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451184672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fe71e50194d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none > >Thanks for sharing this interesting paper. Well, the circuit looks quite >complex but the image of the final construction looks compact. >Since we got access to 472 kHz a weeks ago, i need another receive >antenna now, since all my front ends are resonanted, i.e. mono band. So >the advantage of a single receive antenna becomes more and more >convincing to me. Of course it needs a high dynamic range without >distortion of the spectrum then.. > >A question: The DC supply voltage is connected to e.g. C16? > It's connected by way of the output pin, so you send the DC supply right up the coax instead of having to run additional wires. You'll need a bias tee down at the receiver end, and I describe one at the end of this paper: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper021.html > >What might be the lower cutoff frequency if values for the input LP and >HP filters are well choosen? It should be possible to extend the circuit >to the VLF range (?). > The amplifier itself without the input filter will go down to about 100-200kHz. To go lower than that you'll need to increase to capacitor values plus change the transformer core material to Fair-Rite 77 or something similar. Chris Trask N7ZWY / WDX3HLB Senior Member IEEE http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 88E1738000086; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfvSF-0007Es-Lh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:02:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfvSF-0007Ej-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:02:27 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfvSD-0002c3-Bn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:02:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d43 with ME id P42Q1j0094U6hVe0342Q5s; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:02:24 +0200 Message-ID: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:02:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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[...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: ce0e5a4ae990e5a63db3ab7aea21191b Subject: LF: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A6_01CD4BE1.CD2018D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:257044704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4fdcae62278c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01CD4BE1.CD2018D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... ! Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise .should = work ?=20 G..=20 http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01CD4BE1.CD2018D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the  = Delft-web-sdr=20 range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  = 477 =20 via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  ,=20 but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01CD4BE1.CD2018D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5A4B938000136; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si8O3-0007L0-OD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:15:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si8O3-0007Kr-B5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:15:15 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si8O1-0000Wu-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:15:14 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.16]) by mwinf5d07 with ME id RWFD1j0010LrbAy03WFDoB; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:15:13 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <004c01cd508e$1fe3bfd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <004c01cd508e$1fe3bfd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:15:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120622-0, 22/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: skilled ''Radio Operator'' could handle them safely. And a skilled ''Radio Technician'' would know better not too : )) From: mal hamilton Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:46 PM To: rsgb Subject: LF: Valves [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c6a8ca7629fac3d35507e5a7fd3cbf17 Subject: Re: LF: Valves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0122_01CD50AB.590E9510" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:421134048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fe4b66142ba X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01CD50AB.590E9510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable skilled ''Radio Operator'' could handle them safely. And a skilled ''Radio Technician'' would know better not too : = )) From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:46 PM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: Valves Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lovely warm glow from a pair = of 813's, 4-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With 100 watt heaters and = K/volts on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could handle them = safely.=20 Transistors for the Appliance Operator, with no dangerous voltages to = cause premature expiry!! g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01CD50AB.590E9510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
skilled ''Radio Operator'' could handle them safely.
 
And a  skilled  ''Radio  Technician''   = would =20 know  better  not  too  : ))

From: mal hamilton
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:46 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Valves

Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lovely = warm glow=20 from a pair of 813's,  4-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With 100 = watt=20 heaters and K/volts on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could = handle them=20 safely.
Transistors for the Appliance Operator, =  with no=20 dangerous voltages to cause premature expiry!!
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0122_01CD50AB.590E9510-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BBA66100D7; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgNX0-0007c0-CU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:01:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgNWz-0007br-Ow for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:01:13 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgNWx-0008WS-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:01:12 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.14.151]) by mwinf5d01 with ME id Pa1A1j0063FYniy03a1Af3; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:01:11 +0200 Message-ID: <238E2B3E35364E1090A6A3F982A5CF98@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <15B9C0CD09D4429B83AB1E02595502AD@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <15B9C0CD09D4429B83AB1E02595502AD@JimPC> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:01:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120617-1, 17/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ''But G4WGT and G0NBD'', // ''is over hilly, lower conductivity ground.'' Steady on Jim , your 'not' suggesting Gary and myself are 'over the hill' !! We did have on the uk500khz site , the beacon plots , that where produced by Andy and Gary, using the G3PLX software and a Tx timing cct from Andy (G4JNT) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:449427520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4fde53f9615e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ''But G4WGT and G0NBD'', // ''is over hilly, lower conductivity ground.'' Steady on Jim , your 'not' suggesting Gary and myself are 'over the hill' !! We did have on the uk500khz site , the beacon plots , that where produced by Andy and Gary, using the G3PLX software and a Tx timing cct from Andy (G4JNT) I think theses are still saved in zip files , or we may still have them saved, these showed quite nicely the path changes over time and the noise level variations , Quite a change to when 'we' first came on 500 with micro erp levels and no dedicated software ! Unless you have quite reasonable power levels and antenna systems , other than local qso , plain CW is not really a option on 500 , luckily with the recent developments, narrow data communications will be possible for all. 73 -G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Moritz" Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:06 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions > Dear Stefan, LF Group, > >> I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal >> does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the >> afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly >> lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. > > As well as the natural band noise being lower at MF (I estimate the noise > FS is about 10dB lower), there is also not the constant presence of > man-made noise, such as Loran and DCF39 sidebands. So the spectrum around > 500kHz does sound much quieter, especially during daytime. >> >> What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the >> afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > As others have said, broadly similar to LF - sky wave is very weak until > darkness has arrived, so ground wave dominates daytime communication. > Ground wave signal levels seem to depend greatly on the type of ground at > distances more than 100km or so. For example I can easily hear G3KEV > during the daytime here, and the path from Hatfield to Scarborough is > over flat, high-conductivity ground down the east of England. But G4WGT > and G0NBD, and stations in Wales, are extremely weak in daylight at > similar distances, although they are quite strong after dark The ground > path to these stations is over hilly, lower conductivity ground. > > Sky wave signals over fairly long distances show very deep fading over > periods of a few minutes - signal levels are usually constantly changing, > and I have often seen variation of over 30dB in one minute on beacon > signals. This can make QSOs difficult, with a signal that was R5 suddenly > disappearing completely and not even visible on the spectrogram. Over very > long distances, trans-atlantic for example, the fading seems less severe > although signals are usually quite weak and propagation is very variable. > > For contacts around Europe, I would say 136k actually gives more reliable > signal levels, but for many stations 500k is easier because higher ERP can > be achieved with a small antenna, and noise levels are often lower. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 705C6380000AB; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SamYB-00064F-58 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:31:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SamYA-000646-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:31:18 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SamY9-00054N-99 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:31:17 +0100 Received: from [10.0.0.169] (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q52BVAsn029614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:31:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4FC9F97F.6060806@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:31:11 +0200 From: Albert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hello Pete, Is ur beacon Opera, WSPR or QRS ???? 73, Albert PA0A [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.31 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080807090708070903070808" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:199879952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fc9f9b76fa2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080807090708070903070808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Pete, Is ur beacon Opera, WSPR or QRS ???? 73, Albert PA0A --------------080807090708070903070808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Pete,

Is ur beacon Opera, WSPR or QRS ????

73, Albert PA0A
--------------080807090708070903070808-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CB307380000B9; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5Qw-0005ps-Ft for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:53:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5Qw-0005pj-2t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:53:54 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh5Qu-0006I5-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:53:52 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEKAN3l4E9cF/1H/2dsb2JhbABFtDsDgS2BCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQEJJRQBBAgSBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPsAANBIlKikxjYiyBcIMbA4gQhTSSYIR+gmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,439,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="542391040" Received: from host-92-23-253-71.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.253.71]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 21:53:51 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01cd4e5d$a0edda80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20120619.120722.1661.612898@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:53:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Bob Are you thinking of Totem poles - they are scarey!! when the combine hits one and buckles and the alligator in the near by swamp is just waiting for you These are the stories we hear about America - a dangerous place Meanwhile back to MF. Is there anyone listening out these days for me on 500 mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: fc152e7304849b9a177649b85aea9f41 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:476747328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4fe0e71b3167 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Bob Are you thinking of Totem poles - they are scarey!! when the combine hits one and buckles and the alligator in the near by swamp is just waiting for you These are the stories we hear about America - a dangerous place Meanwhile back to MF. Is there anyone listening out these days for me on 500 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:57 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 > > > > Sometimes there are dead snake heads sticking out ?? > > Bob K3DJC > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:35:59 -0400 Dexter McIntyre W4DEX > writes: > > mal hamilton wrote: > > > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > > > > > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. Hay > > > > bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have loaded > > hay > > bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for live > > snake > > heads sticking out of the bales :) > > > > Dex > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F0FAF38000092; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuBC-00042L-Fg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:28:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuBB-00042C-TO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:28:37 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeuB9-0005oj-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:28:36 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.8.23]) by mwinf5d06 with ME id MwUa1j00M0VovFE03wUakN; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:28:34 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4379ED2AAB4@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> <4DF9EFD1.5010208@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1313780109.51443.YahooMailNeo@web111907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9CD1E11E8BC9402CB4AECECAC4088443@JimPC> <1314394178.5030.YahooMailNeo@web111905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1314641183.5605.YahooMailNeo@web111910.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E5CBC9A.5020900@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1314705226.37125.YahooMailNeo@web111901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E5CF192.3040905@legal-medicine.de> <1317076720.22768.YahooMailNeo@web29509.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1317077173.13177.YahooMailNeo@web29509.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1317119515.35504.YahooMailNeo@web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <97A4CD4629F94A90A7F5AFD6E2A17E73@JimPC> <1317287203.84598.YahooMailNeo@web29516.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1339618104.65016.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1339618104.65016.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:28:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120613-0, 13/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well that would appear to be the situation ! 500 signals round 2400 are very good , I think unexpectedly so , but on the other hand , to date the only long term beacon was run by Andy , using the g3plx system , with Gary , running a rx at 240 miles range, , qrss did not really leave any 'history' and the Op beacon system is producing good results with real time s/n measurements , perhaps with the simplified / enhanced user access , ad-hoc beacon nets are providing quite unique data sets ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c8ff00257edaad8e124ab9389da9609a Subject: Re: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01CD49AB.7C8E2CA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451460256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fd8f8285ff6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01CD49AB.7C8E2CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well that would appear to be the situation ! 500 signals round = 2400 are very good , I think unexpectedly so , but on the other = hand , to date the only long term beacon was run by Andy , using = the g3plx system , with Gary , running a rx at 240 miles range, = , qrss did not really leave any 'history' and the Op beacon system = is producing good results with real time s/n measurements , = perhaps with the simplified / enhanced user access , ad-hoc beacon = nets are providing quite unique data sets ? As to why the path losses are lower in the summer .. over to Alan = on that one ! G. From: Daniele Tincani=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:08 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF Hello LF, looking at this very interesting graph: http://df3lp.de/misc/hga22/ my understanding is that summer nights - though shorter than winter ones = - could be better for reception of LF signals in terms of signal = strenght. Is this conclusion correct? Thanks 73 D. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01CD49AB.7C8E2CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well  that would appear to  be the situation = !   500=20 signals  round  2400  are  very good  , I = think =20 unexpectedly so , but  on the  other  hand , to date = the =20 only  long term  beacon  was  run by Andy  , = using=20 the  g3plx  system , with  Gary , running a  = rx =20 at  240 miles  range,   ,  qrss did  not  = really=20 leave any  'history'  and the Op  beacon system is=20 producing  good  results with  real  time =20 s/n   measurements , perhaps  with = the simplified /=20 enhanced  user access , ad-hoc  beacon  nets  = are =20 providing quite unique data  sets ?
 
As  to  why  the  path losses are lower in = the =20 summer  .. over to  Alan  on that  one  !
 
G.

Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:08 PM
Subject: LF: Best annual period for listening to=20 LF

 
Hello LF,
 
looking at this very interesting graph:
 
http://df3lp.de/misc/hga22/
 
my understanding is that summer nights - though shorter than winter = ones -=20 could be better for reception of LF signals in terms of signal strenght. = Is this=20 conclusion correct?
 
Thanks
73
D.
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham and Warren My intention was to send this info I had used to good effect directly to Ken but forgot at the last minute and hit send. I love thermionic devices. The way my FL2000B lights up the shack wall is a thing of beauty. In fact I used to have that picture as wall paper on my Works Laptop which brought comment from the Engineering Director. The upshot being an interesting conversation in his office about what it was all about. I run a 1Watt but should be 5Watt 6cl6 TX on 500kc/s which you Graham have reported on via Opera. I need to follow my own advice and up the performance / efficiency........ Hmmmm 90% efficient valve pa (excluding the heater {[IxI]R} loss). But not "exploding" spark gaps......... :O) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.199 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f50ffa2d596e60b11ae43c4854906bce Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-1014105217-1339512469=:69790" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:504389184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m246.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4fd756ef4923 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-1014105217-1339512469=:69790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham and Warren=0A=A0=0AMy intention was to send this info I had used = to good effect=A0directly to Ken but forgot at the last minute=A0and hit se= nd. I love thermionic devices. The way my FL2000B lights up the shack wall = is a thing of beauty. In fact I used to have that picture as=A0wall paper o= n my Works=A0Laptop which brought comment from the Engineering Director. Th= e upshot being an interesting conversation in his office=A0about what it wa= s all about. I run a 1Watt but should be 5Watt 6cl6 TX on 500kc/s which you= =A0Graham have reported on via Opera. I need to follow my own advice and up= the performance / efficiency........ Hmmmm 90% efficient valve pa (excludi= ng the heater=A0{[IxI]R} loss). But not "exploding" spark gaps......... :O)= =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________= =0A From: Warren Ziegler =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org =0ASent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 12:21=0ASubject: Re: LF: RE: Class E et= c=0A =0AYears ago, several ham friends of mine have made valve type=0Atran= smitters run in Class-D or E on 75 and 40 meters, 500kHz should be=0Ano pro= blem at all.=0A=0A73 Warren K2ORS=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:15 A= M, M0FMT wrote:=0A> Hi Ken=0A>=0A> I believe you can op= erate=A0some thermionic devices in higher classes than=0A> C=A0but they gen= erally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go=0A> into fig= ures but just think about it. The high efficiency output stage has=0A> to o= perate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it=0A> cha= nges state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off=0A> (which= =A0means a device that will operate=A0well into the=A0VHF)=A0the higher the= =0A> efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple = of=0A> megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking= =0A> about)=A0at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field= in the=0A> inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to g= enerate a=0A> high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not= talking sine=0A> waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a = scope on the output=0A> side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean = looking sine wave. Try=0A> it.=0A>=0A> That chart at the end of that PDF fi= le is very clever and is the guide=A0I use=0A> to bring a PA into optimum p= erformance.=0A>=0A> What I was trying to say is that the math is all very w= ell but if you are=0A> trying to make a practical and=A0efficient CW TX for= LF then=A0there is enough=0A> empirical data from following the guide line= s lines shown on the sites I=0A> have posted=A0that will get you a good TX.= If you want a doctorate in=0A> theoretical physics to bamboozle you collea= gues then that will detract from=0A> the time it takes to build a very inte= resting high power, efficient=A0TX=0A> design well within anybodies capabil= ities.=A0The GW3UEP design being IMHO a=0A> very good (Scalable) example wi= th no=A0RadCom=A0style unobtainium in the=0A> components listing.=0A>=0A> 7= 3 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A> From: Ken =0A> T= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0A> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09=0A> S= ubject: LF: RE: Class E etc=0A>=0A> Hi Pete.=0A> About 40 years ago my inte= gration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order=0A> differential equations, p= artial integration and integration by parts, the=0A> one thing I had big pr= oblems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point=0A> in free space . = =A0=A0Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is=0A> probably mor= e like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because=0A> they are= very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the=0A> shack = and the cat warm.=0A>=0A> 73s=0A>=0A> Ken=0A>=0A> M0KHW=0A>=0A> From: owner= - rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner-=0A> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT=0A>=0A> Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16=0A> To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org=0A> Subject: LF: Class E etc=0A>=0A>=0A> Hi Ken=0A>=0A= > Ha ha Stefan, how good is=A0your Integration Ken?=0A>=0A> Here are a coup= le of sites that should answer your questions. You need a=0A> good dummy lo= ad and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the=0A> amplifier is= to do with=A0 A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive=0A> chip = (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully=A0on=0A= > and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate=A0on off t= iming=0A> (mark / space). Ensuring the=A0max permitted gate voltage for the= FET=A0is not=0A> exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a d= iode clamp helps.=0A> B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance=A0in = the drain=A0circuit can be=0A> done empirically See article below. Then fol= low it with=A0a=A0low pass filter,=0A> although the output wave will be sur= prisingly clean.=A0Calculating the values=0A> is difficult as you don't nec= essarily know all the starting=A0parameters and=0A> in any case=A0the resul= t is=A0going to wide of the mark. The site below will=0A> gives some starti= ng values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the=0A> output conditions= . You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times.=0A> Gate drive a= nd understanding the drain circuit is the key.=0A> These amplifiers are cap= able of incredibly good efficiency well above a=0A> dodgy class C amp. This= means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low=0A> at high power=A0gi= ving cool heat-sinks!=0A>=0A> The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended des= ign is capable good=0A> efficiency=A0and high power depending upon the FET = used and Drain supply=0A> voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 1= 40watts and is capable of=0A> almost twice that into a dummy load with a he= at sink that is fairly cool.=0A> Adjusting L and C empirically using the 's= cope to get the correct drain wave=0A> shape for max efficiency is the way = to go. The article below shows you what=0A> you are looking for. I set my T= X up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and=0A> C to get the correct drai= n wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak=0A> voltage across the D= ummy load.=A0I then transfer my=A0connector from the Dummy=0A> load to the = input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I adjust=0A> the cou= pling link to give the same peak voltage=A0across the tuner link turns.=0A>= You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy lo= ad=0A> indicating a 50ohm match.=A0This is done by either=A0adding or reduc= ing=A0the=0A> number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing the the= transformer to=0A> resonance by measuring the peak=A0up-lead current, here= you are looking for=0A> the maximum peak.=0A>=0A> Oh yes and WIMA high vol= tage high value capacitors from Maplin work well.=0A>=0A> Read the articles= and search info on class E amplifiers.=0A>=0A>=0A> For some bed time readi= ng but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure=0A> and the pictures at = the end which tell it all really.....=0A> http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culle= r/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf=0A>=0A> For design ideas=0A= > http://www.classeradio.com/=0A>=0A> For a good practical circuit for a si= ngle ended amp=A0that =A0is a scalable=0A> surefire design, no need to rein= vent the wheel.=0A> http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/=0A>=0A> For antennas and a= ntenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=0A> http://www.strobbe.eu/o= n7yd/136ant/=0A>=0A> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0A-- = =0A73 Warren K2ORS=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2=0A= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 ---176341844-1014105217-1339512469=:69790 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham and Warre= n
 
My intention was to = send this info I had used to good effect directly to Ken but forgot at= the last minute and hit send. I love thermionic devices. The way my F= L2000B lights up the shack wall is a thing of beauty. In fact I used to hav= e that picture as wall paper on my Works Laptop which brought com= ment from the Engineering Director. The upshot being an interesting convers= ation in his office about what it was all about. I run a 1Watt but sho= uld be 5Watt 6cl6 TX on 500kc/s which you Graham have reported on via = Opera. I need to follow my own advice and up the performance / efficiency..= ...... Hmmmm 90% efficient valve pa (excluding the heater {[IxI]R} los= s). But not "exploding" spark gaps......... :O)
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91U= X
From: Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, 12 June = 2012, 12:21
Subject: R= e: LF: RE: Class E etc

Years ago, several ham friend= s of mine have made valve type
transmitters run in Class-D or E on 75 an= d 40 meters, 500kHz should be
no problem at all.

73 Warren K2ORS



On T= ue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:15 AM, M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
&= gt; Hi Ken
>
> I believe you can operate some thermionic d= evices in higher classes than
> C but they generally lack the fr= equency response of a modern FET. I won't go
> into figures but just = think about it. The high efficiency output stage has
> to operate lik= e a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it
> changes s= tate from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off
> (which&nb= sp;means a device that will operate well into the VHF) the h= igher the
> efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to = say a couple of
> megs its not going to be much good (in terms of wha= t we are talking
> about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the
> inductor to rise and collapse at = a very fast rate in-order to generate a
> high electromagnetic field = at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine
> waves here as a sco= pe on the drain will show. Although a scope on the output
> side of t= he drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try
> it= .
>
> That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and= is the guide I use
> to bring a PA into optimum performance.>
> What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well bu= t if you are
> trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX fo= r LF then there is enough
> empirical data from following the gu= ide lines lines shown on the sites I
> have posted that will get= you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in
> theoretical physics to b= amboozle you colleagues then that will detract from
> the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, efficient TX
>= design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP design being IM= HO a
> very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style un= obtainium in the
> components listing.
>
> 73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX
> From: Ken <ken.h.wright@btintern= et.com>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g
> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09
> Subject: LF: RE: Cl= ass E etc
>
> Hi Pete.
> About 40 years ago my integratio= n was quite good, liked doing 2nd order
> differential equations, par= tial integration and integration by parts, the
> one thing I had big = problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point
> in free spac= e .   Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is
>= probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because=
> they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the ke= ep the
> shack and the cat warm.
>
> 73s
>
> = Ken
>
> M0KHW
>
> From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner-
> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT
>
> S= ent: 11 June 2012 19:16
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Class E etc
>
>
> Hi = Ken
>
> Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken?
>
> Here are a couple of sites that should answer your qu= estions. You need a
> good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Settin= g the conditions for the
> amplifier is to do with  A/ the corre= ct driver preferably using a FET drive
> chip (like TC4422 non and TC= 4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on
> and fully off = on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing
>= (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET&n= bsp;is not
> exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a = diode clamp helps.
> B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance&= nbsp;in the drain circuit can be
> done empirically See article = below. Then follow it with a low pass filter,
> although th= e output wave will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values
&g= t; is difficult as you don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and
> in any case the result is g= oing to wide of the mark. The site below will
> gives some starting v= alues. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the
> output conditions= . You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times.
> Gate dri= ve and understanding the drain circuit is the key.
> These amplifiers= are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a
> dodgy class= C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low
> at= high power giving cool heat-sinks!
>
> The GW3UEP (do a w= eb search) single ended design is capable good
> efficiency and = high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply
> voltage. I = have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of
> alm= ost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool.
&= gt; Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave
> shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The = article below shows you what
> you are looking for. I set my TX up in= to a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and
> C to get the correct drain w= ave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak
> voltage across the = Dummy load. I then transfer my connector from the Dummy
> l= oad to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I adjust<= br>> the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tun= er link turns.
> You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames = as across the dummy load
> indicating a 50ohm match. This is don= e by either adding or reducing the
> number of turns (about= two turns) along with bringing the the transformer to
> resonance by= measuring the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for
> = the maximum peak.
>
> Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work well.
>
> Read the articles = and search info on class E amplifiers.
>
>
> For some bed= time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure
> and t= he pictures at the end which tell it all really.....
> http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/= Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
>
> For design ideas
> http://www.classera= dio.com/
>
> For a good practical circuit for a single ende= d amp that  is a scalable
> surefire design, no need to rei= nvent the wheel.
> http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/
>
> For antennas and = antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"
> http://www.= strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/
>
> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
= >
>
>



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        =         WE2XEB/2
          =       WE2XGR/1



---176341844-1014105217-1339512469=:69790-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BCC7438000093; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 03:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdGYM-0005NT-Bi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 08:57:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdGYL-0005NK-Hq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 08:57:45 +0100 Received: from smtp04.online.nl ([194.134.41.34]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdGYJ-0002uH-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 08:57:44 +0100 Received: from smtp04.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24F5E1E7 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:57:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s529d275f.adsl.wanadoo.nl [82.157.39.95]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:57:42 +0200 (CEST) From: To: "blacksheep" Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:57:42 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Very good audible cw signal Stefan S6 73 Victor PA3FNY [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.134.41.34 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 73624bb08a20c2e0895fd0d9fb8136a4 Subject: LF: DK7FC 137KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:119107400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164fd3025f70c6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Very good audible cw signal Stefan S6 73 Victor PA3FNY From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4D0F438000093; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkzzV-0007KN-2X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:53:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkzzU-0007KE-Kl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:53:44 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkzzT-0006SK-0D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:53:43 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai4FAEEg709cF/7u/2dsb2JhbABFoF4DlXSBCIITBQEBBQgBAQMQOQIsAQEDBQIBAwQNBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfrtMizuCfoMcA4gXhTeXaYJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,503,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="386408263" Received: from host-92-23-254-238.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.238]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 16:53:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01cd56d8$84122a00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008501cd56d5$f5c084b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <0384C214D0514315B65DAD68864962C1@W1KW> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:53:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Geri I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST and some V's for a few seconds was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it DK7FC De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: LF: Re: test 476.5 [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5934134de2d93cab1d5fc440b67de82f Subject: LF: Re: Re: test 476.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD56D8.83CD0AB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479306688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4fef214014a7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD56D8.83CD0AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geri I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST and some V's for a few seconds = was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it DK7FC De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: LF: Re: test 476.5 Mal, I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX 502. 73 Geri, DK8KW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: LF: test 476.5 Stn tst on 476.5 599=20 qsx 502=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD56D8.83CD0AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Geri
I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST and = some V's for=20 a few seconds was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it = DK7FC
De mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Holger 'Geri', = DK8KW -=20 DI2BO - W1KW
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 3:47=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: test = 476.5

Mal,
 
I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX=20 502.
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 5:35=20 PM
Subject: LF: test 476.5

Stn tst on 476.5 599
qsx 502
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD56D8.83CD0AB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 73529380000A6; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeWXj-0000hp-E2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:14:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeWXe-0000hg-MZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:14:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeWXc-0000QU-Se for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:14:13 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjMFAOiU109Ok8sr/2dsb2JhbABFgnacagOVUngQgg8EARMBAQNJAiwCCAIBBgEdOQEEGgYkHQECAgEBhTgHgiQbmC2hJpE4A4gNhTKXW4Jg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,398,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="541373929" Received: from host-78-147-203-43.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.203.43]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2012 20:14:08 +0100 Message-ID: <007d01cd48cf$877ae220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:14:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF/M All the technical discussions going on at present about amplifiers relevant to LF/MF is on the Blacksheep reflector. Other information regarding communications and propagation likewise. It would appear those dedicated to the lower frequencies prefer this reflector. It would appear only those interested in archieving their files and of little interest to others and picture uploads favour Yahoo. To keep abreast with realtime lower frequency activities then only Blacksheep seems to be the preferred reflector. Mal/G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: LF: TECH DISCUSSION Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007A_01CD48CF.8703B650" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429033824:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584fd7954a3d0b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01CD48CF.8703B650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF/M All the technical discussions going on at present about amplifiers = relevant to LF/MF is on the Blacksheep reflector. Other information = regarding communications and propagation likewise. It would appear those = dedicated to the lower frequencies prefer this reflector. It would appear only those interested in archieving their files and of = little interest to others and picture uploads favour Yahoo.=20 To keep abreast with realtime lower frequency activities then only = Blacksheep seems to be the preferred reflector. Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01CD48CF.8703B650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF/M
All the technical discussions going on at = present about=20 amplifiers relevant to LF/MF is on the Blacksheep reflector. Other = information=20 regarding communications and propagation likewise. It would appear those = dedicated to the lower frequencies prefer this reflector.
It would appear only those interested in = archieving their=20 files and of little interest to others and picture uploads favour Yahoo. =
To keep abreast with realtime lower frequency = activities=20 then only Blacksheep seems to be the preferred reflector.
Mal/G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_007A_01CD48CF.8703B650-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D68F63800009F; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeoW4-0002IX-46 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:25:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeoW3-0002IO-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:25:47 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeoW1-0004FA-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:25:46 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjMGALqh2E9Ok8Nf/2dsb2JhbABFg0GcIQOVV4EIgg8EFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEGAR05AQQaBggcHQECAgEBh36YW6EukUIDiA6FMpddgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,403,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="375465410" Received: from host-78-147-195-95.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.95]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2012 15:25:43 +0100 Message-ID: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:25:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on this band. or If you want a contact let me know I am active most days de Mal/g3kev MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on this band. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: fc152e7304849b9a177649b85aea9f41 Subject: LF: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD4970.66979F70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:284777536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4fd8a3407fd2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD4970.66979F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on = this band. or=20 If you want a contact let me know I am active most days=20 de Mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD4970.66979F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF operators
I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for = German and=20 others active on this band.
or
If you want a contact let me know
I am active most days
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan and Graham Thanks for the comments. None of my MF/LF tx.s run more that 160watts although by seriesing a couple of PSUs one with a floating ground I can run about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like seriesing the PSUs so only do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to build a new high voltage PSU 100V at a good current rating. The rigs are FET PA IRF840 etc mostly xtal controlled or xtal mixer type master oscillator (but do have DDS), into a FET driver chip. And set them as described earlier. I have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s transforming the Low impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer to drive the antenna tuner. Front end currently popped!! Using it for QRSS overnight.Will get it back on soon. My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side issue and am not advocating them for serious modern MF/LF work. However there is no reason why not. I have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts out Choke modulated AM and CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on AM on 3.615megs. The second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now is again xtal mixer vxo. They use 6CL6 video tubes in the PA. The 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure out why, it should be about 5watts. How ever on my new found Opera4 have been reported in PA0 land (on the limit). I have built and still got one or two 807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown amateur in the 1950s and a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 rig on the stocks.... but probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This to show my thermionic credentials.... hee! For shear interest I would like to try and make a high efficiency TUBE PA but probably won't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX design looks interesting but probably very dodgy to set up, stability and all. Graham your arc tubes is all very well but what I have read is that they have a tendency to blow up...... and so do FETs ok so no change there then. My current limitation to power [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.21 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 62a9c62115051fd1c4d34daf6cda1a99 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-985321963-1339628355=:5649" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:493979360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m007.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fd91b7e1dcd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-985321963-1339628355=:5649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan and Graham=0A=A0=0AThanks for the comments. None of my MF/LF tx.s= run more that 160watts although by seriesing a couple of PSUs one with a f= loating ground I can run about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like serie= sing the PSUs so only do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to bu= ild a new=A0high voltage PSU 100V at a good current rating.=A0The rigs are = FET PA IRF840 etc=A0mostly xtal controlled or xtal mixer type master oscill= ator (but do have DDS), into a FET driver chip. And set them as described e= arlier.=0A=A0=0AI have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s transfo= rming the Low impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer to dr= ive the antenna tuner. Front end currently popped!! Using it for QRSS overn= ight.Will get it back on soon.=0A=A0=0AMy interest in Valve or Tube TX is a= side issue and am not advocating them for serious modern MF/LF work. Howev= er there is no reason why not.=0A=A0=0AI have made a couple of TUBE QRP rig= s one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts out Choke modulated AM and CW and FSK. Wor= ked most of UK on AM on 3.615megs. The second is a copy for 500kc/s was ori= ginally VFO controlled but now is again xtal mixer vxo. They use 6CL6 video= tubes in the PA. The 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure ou= t why, it should be about 5watts. How=A0ever on my new found Opera4 have=A0= been reported in PA0 land (on the limit).=0AI have built and still got one = or two=A0807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design m= ade by an unknown amateur in the 1950s and a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 r= ig on the stocks.... but probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This= to show my thermionic credentials.... hee!=0A=A0=0AFor shear interest I wo= uld like to try and make a high efficiency TUBE PA but probably won't get a= round to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX design looks interesting but proba= bly very dodgy to set up, stability and all. Graham your arc tubes is all v= ery well but what I have read is that they have a tendency to blow up......= and so do FETs ok so no change there then.=0A=A0=0AMy current limitation t= o power Stefan is lack of a single stable PSU with a couple of KW output. T= he antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and 128ft top. =0A=A0=0AI don't have a = good RX for MF/LF what I have are deaf by others standards and this is my m= ain area of interest at the moment. I have used a TS50 and a TS690s full fi= lters=A0plus a couple of direct conversion HB=A0RX=A0with active filers and= notch.=0AFront ends have gone from dual gate mosfet to straight into the m= ixer but S/N is still poor evidenced by WSPR and Opera reports I give to ot= her station who are being received much better elsewhere. If any one can he= lp me with that then it would make life here on MF/LF=A0a lot better. =0A= =A0=0AKeep the bands open and may get to work you Stefan now you have 472/9= ....... why the delay in the UK????=0A=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: W= ednesday, 13 June 2012, 22:05=0ASubject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc=0A =0A=0A= Hi Pete, LF, =0A=0AOn 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% eff= iciency with a=0Aclass E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if= your antenna=0Aprovides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to= play=0Aarround a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output= =0Apower), a well designed class E PA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW= =0ARF (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET. =0AI hardly ex= pect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp=0Abut i can under= stand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack,=0Aalthough i'm not= from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier=0Ai heard of was a = 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-)=0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC= =0A=0A=0AAm 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT: =0AWell shoot me down=0Awith m= y britches on fire! =0A>=A0 =0A>Mal =0A>I have just found an article on an= enhanced Class C in=0ATube amplifiers By RCA. =0A>I have heard of higher= =0Aefficiency Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought=0At= hey used special valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently=0Anot,= it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode=0ALC be= ing set at the third harmonic of the anode one. By combining the=0Adrive wa= ve with the third hamonic you get a very fast rising pulse=0Atype=A0wave at= the drive frequency in the PA tuned circuit as with a=0Aclass D/E solid st= ate amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/ =0A>=A0 =0A>I t= hink the point=0Aabout this is that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's li= ke broadcast=0Atransmitters and the like. And probably will work OK for us = on LF with=0Asuch narrow allocations where we may get away with one set up.= =0A>=A0 =0A>Now to see if it is=0Ascalable to lower power video tubes. =0A= >=0A>73 es GL Pete=0AM0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>From: mal hamilton =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Tuesday, 12 June=0A2= 012, 19:48=0A>Subject: Re: LF: RE:=0AClass E etc=0A> =0A>=0A>Pete es Co = =0A>The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you=0Acan get to class D or E = and well designed would=A0produce 70% efficiency. =0A>The class D or E is n= ot really an amplifier=0Ain the convential sense it is merely an RF switch = at the frequency of=0Ainterest and the voltage generated is increased by a = step up=0Atransformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency if you are lucky.= =0A>Like some have said a tube amp is more robust=0Aand tolerant of misma= tch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but=0Acan go bang if one is not= careful about matching to load. =0A>I have some Dentron amps for the HF ba= nds and=0Athey have been going for years. =0A>Fets are probably more manage= able, compact=0A=A0and safer regarding voltages, beware of tubes with volta= ges of a few=0AK/volts at high current, like an electric chair!! =0A>73 de = mal/g3kev =0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: M0FMT =0A>>To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012=0A11:15 AM = =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Ken =0A>>=A0 =0A>>= I believe you can operate=A0some thermionic devices in higher classes than = C=A0but=0Athey generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I=0Aw= on't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency output st= age has to operate like a switch it is not actually an=0Aamplifier. The fas= ter it changes state from fully on with ultra low=0Aresistance to fully off= (which=A0means a device that will operate=A0well=0Ainto the=A0VHF)=A0the h= igher the efficiency. If you have a device that is=0Abarely rated to say a = couple of megs its not going to be much good (in=0Aterms of what we are tal= king about)=A0at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying=0Ato get the magnetic fie= ld in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very=0Afast rate in-order to g= enerate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are=0Anot t= alking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although=0Aa scop= e on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a=0Aclean lookin= g sine wave. Try it. =0A>>=A0 =0A>>That chart at the end of that PDF file= =0Ais very clever and is the guide=A0I use to bring a PA into optimum=0Aper= formance. =0A>>=A0 =0A>>What I was trying to say is that the math is all ve= ry=0Awell but if you are trying to make a practical and=A0efficient CW TX f= or=0ALF then=A0there is enough empirical data from following the guide line= s lines shown on the sites I have=0Aposted=A0that will get you a good TX. I= f you want a doctorate in=0Atheoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues= then that will detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting = high=0Apower, efficient=A0TX design well within anybodies capabilities.=A0T= he GW3UEP design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no=A0RadCom= =A0style unobtainium in the components listing. =0A>>=0A>>73 es GL Pete M0F= MT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>From: Ken =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Monday, 11=0AJune 2012, 22:09=0A>>Subject: = LF: RE:=0AClass E etc=0A>> =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Pete. =0A>>About 40 years ago= my integration was=0Aquite good, liked doing 2nd order differential=0Aequa= tions, partial integration and integration by parts, the one thing=0AI had = big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in=0Afree space = . =A0=A0Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more = like Class E by default. The reason I like valves=0Ais because they are ver= y forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also=0Athe keep the shack and th= e cat warm. =0A>>=A0 =0A>>73s =0A>>=A0 =0A>>Ken =0A>>=A0 =0A>>M0KHW =0A>>= =A0 =0A>> =0A>>From:owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:=0Aowner- r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT=0A>>Sent: 11 June 2012=0A1= 9:16=0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0A>>Subject: LF: Class E=0Aetc = =0A>>=A0 =0A>>=A0 Hi Ken =0A>>=A0 =0A>>Ha ha Stefan, how good is=A0yo= ur Integration Ken? =0A>>=A0 Here are a couple of sites that should=0Aan= swer your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good=0Aoscilloscope. = Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do with=A0=0AA/ the correct = driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 invert= ing) that will turn the FET fully=A0on and fully off on each cycle. Very fa= st rise time with=0Aaccurate=A0on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the= =A0max permitted gate=0Avoltage for the FET=A0is not exceeded otherwise the= y=0Apop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps.=A0 B/ Setting the=0A= shunt capacitance and inductance=A0in the drain=A0circuit can be done empir= ically See article below. Then follow it with=A0a=A0low pass filter, althou= gh the=0Aoutput wave will be surprisingly clean.=A0Calculating the values i= s difficult as you don't necessarily=0Aknow all the starting=A0parameters a= nd in any case=A0the result is=A0going to=0Awide of the mark. The site belo= w will gives some starting values. Best=0Ato use 'Scope measurements to set= the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On /=0AOff rise= times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the=0Akey. The= se amplifiers are capable of=0Aincredibly good efficiency well above a dodg= y class C amp. This means=0Athe heat dissipation from the FET is very low a= t high power=A0giving=0Acool heat-sinks! =0A>>=A0 The GW3UEP (do=0Aa w= eb search) single ended design is capable good efficiency=A0and=0Ahigh powe= r depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I=0Ahave modified o= ne to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost=0Atwice that into a= dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool.=0AAdjusting L and C empir= ically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficie= ncy=0Ais the way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking fo= r.=0AI set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the= =0Acorrect drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage= =0Aacross the Dummy load.=A0I then transfer my=A0connector from the Dummy l= oad=0Ato the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead.=0AI adj= ust the coupling link to give the same peak voltage=A0across the=0Atuner li= nk turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames=0Aas across t= he dummy load indicating a 50ohm match.=A0This is done by=0Aeither=A0adding= or reducing=A0the number of turns (about two turns) along=0Awith bringing = the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak=A0up-lead current, h= ere you are looking for the maximum peak.=A0=A0 =0A>>=A0 =0A>>Oh yes an= d WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work well. =0A>> =0A= >>=A0 Read the articles and search info on=0Aclass E amplifiers.=A0 =0A= >>=A0 =0A>>=A0 =0A>>For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at = the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which=0Atell it all really= ..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-po= weramps.pdf =0A>>=A0 =0A>>For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ = =0A>>=A0 =0A>>For a good practical circuit for a=0Asingle ended amp=A0= that =A0is a scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. =0A= >>http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ =0A>> =0A>>=A0 For antennas and antenna fe= ed methods=0Aa "look no where else site" =0A>> =0A>>http://www.strobbe.= eu/on7yd/136ant/ =0A>>=A0 =0A>>73 es GL Pete=0AM0FMT IO91UX = =0A>>=0A>>=A0 =0A>=0A> ---1613889061-985321963-1339628355=:5649 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Thanks for the comme= nts. None of my MF/LF tx.s run more that 160watts although= by seriesing a couple of PSUs one with a floating ground = I can run about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like seriesing the PSUs so only do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to = build a new high voltage PSU 100V at a good current rating. The rigs are FET PA IRF<= /span>840 etc mostly xtal controlled or xtal mixer type master oscillator (but do = have DDS), into a FET driver= chip. And set them as described earlier.
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I have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s tra= nsforming the Low impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer t= o drive the antenna tuner. Front end currently popped!! Using it for QRSS overnight.Will get it back on soon.
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My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side iss= ue and am not advocating them for serious modern MF/LF work. However there is no reason why not.=
 
I have made a couple of TUBE= QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5= watts out Choke modulated AM and CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on AM on 3.615megs. The second is a cop= y for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now is again xt= al mixer vxo. They us= e 6CL6 video tubes in the PA. The 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure out why, it should= be about 5watts. How ever on my new found Opera4 have been repor= ted in PA0 land (on the limit).
I have built and sti= ll got one or two 807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown amateur in the 1950s and= a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 rig on the stocks.... b= ut probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This to show my thermionic= credentials.... hee!=
 
For shear interest I would l= ike to try and make a high efficiency TUBE PA but probably won't get around= to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX design looks interesting but probably v= ery dodgy to set up, stability and all. Graham your arc tubes is all very w= ell but what I have read is that they have a tendency to blow up...... and = so do FETs ok so no change there then.
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My current limitation to power Stefan i= s lack of a single stable PSU with a couple of KW output. The antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and 128f= t top.
 
I don't have a good = RX for MF/LF what I have are= deaf by others standards and this is my main area of interest at the momen= t. I have used a TS50 and a TS690s full filters plus a couple of direc= t conversion HB RX = ;with active filers and notch.
Front ends have gone = from dual gate mosfet to str= aight into the mixer but S/N is still poor = evidenced by WSPR and Opera = reports I give to other station who are being received much better elsewhere. If any one can help me with= that then it would make life here on MF/LF a lot better.
 
= Keep the bands open and may get to work you= Stefan now you have 472/9....... why the d= elay in the UK????
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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= From: Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-h= eidelberg.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Sent: Wednesd= ay, 13 June 2012, 22:05
Subject:<= /span> Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

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=0AHi Pete, LF,
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=0AOn 137 kHz o= r 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% efficiency with a=0Aclass E PA. BT= W a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if your antenna=0Aprovides stable= resonance and impdedance an= d if you like to play=0Aarround a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output=0Apower), a well designed class E PA is = definitifely a good choice! = 1 kW=0ARF (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET= .
=0AI hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a= tube amp=0Abut i can understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dar= k shack,=0Aalthough i'm not = from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier=0Ai heard of was a 2= N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-)
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=0A73, Stefa= n/DK7FC
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=0AAm 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT:=0A
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Well = shoot me down=0Awith my britches on fire!
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Mal
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I have just fou= nd an article on an enhanced Class C in=0ATube amplifiers By RCA.=0A
I have heard of higher=0Aefficien= cy Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought=0Athey used sp= ecial valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently=0Anot, it relies = on a tuned circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode=0ALC being set at = the third harmonic of the anode one. By combining the=0Adrive wave with the= third hamonic you get a ver= y fast rising pulse=0Atype wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned= circuit as with a=0Aclass D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http= ://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/
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I think the p= oint=0Aabout this is that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast=0Atransmitters and the li= ke. And probably will work OK for us on LF with=0Asuch narrow allocations w= here we may get away with one set up.
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Now to see if it is=0Ascalable to lower power video tubes.
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73 es GL Pete=0AM0FMT IO91UX
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From:= mal hamilton=0A<g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
=0A To:=0Arsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
=0A Sent: Tuesday, 12 June=0A2012, 19:= 48
=0A Subject: Re: LF= : RE:=0AClass E etc
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Pete es Co
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The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you=0Acan get to class D or E and = well designed would produce 70% efficiency.
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The class D or E is not really an amplifier=0Ain the convential sense it is merely an = RF switch at the frequency of=0Ainterest and the voltage generated is incre= ased by a step up=0Atransformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency if you = are lucky.
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Like some have said = a tube amp is more robust=0Aand tolerant of mismatch to antenna without smo= ke. Fets are good but=0Acan = go bang if one is not careful about matching to load.
=0A I have some D= entron amps for the HF bands and=0Athey have been going for years.
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Fets are probably more manageable, compact=0A and safer = regarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few=0AK/volts at hig= h current, like an electric chair!!
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73 de mal/g3= kev
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From: M0FMT=0A
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012=0A11:15 AM
=0A Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E= etc
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=0A Hi Ken
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=0A I believe=0A= you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than C = but=0Athey generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I=0Awon't go into figures=0Abut just think about it. The high= efficiency=0Aoutpu= t stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an=0Aamplifier. The= faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low=0Aresistance to fully= off (which means a device that will operate well=0Ainto the = ;VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is=0Abarely= rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in=0Aterms of= what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying=0Ato g= et the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very=0Afast rate in-order=0Ato generate a = high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are=0Anot talking sin= e waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although=0Aa scope on the o= utput side of the drain inductor will show quite a=0Aclean looking sine wav= e. Try it.
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That chart at the end of that PDF file=0Ais very clever and is the guide I use to bring a PA into o= ptimum=0Aperformance.
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What I was trying to say is that the math is all very=0Awell = but if you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for=0ALF= then there is enough empiri= cal=0Adata from following the guide lines lines shown on the = sites I have=0Aposted that will get you a good TX. If you want a docto= rate in=0Atheoretical physics to = bamboozle=0Ayou co= lleagues=0Athen that will detract from the time it takes to b= uild a very interesting high=0Apower, efficient TX design well within anybodies capabili= ties. The GW3UEP=0Adesign being IMHO a very good (Scalable) e= xample with no RadCom s= tyle=0A <= span id=3D"misspell-81" class=3D"mark">unobtainium=0Ain the c= omponents listing.
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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= From= : Ken=0A<ken.h.wright@btinternet.com&g= t;
=0A To:=0Arsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
=0A Sent: Monday, 11=0AJune 2012, 22= :09
=0A Subject: LF:= RE:=0AClass E etc
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Hi Pete.
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About 40 years ago my integration was=0Aquite g= ood, liked doing 2nd = order differential=0Aequations, partial integration and integration by part= s, the one thing=0AI had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of= a point in=0Afree space .   Looking at some of the sites my Clas= s C MOSFET=0APA is probably more= like Class E by default. The reason I like valves=0Ais because they are ve= ry forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also=0Athe keep the shack and t= he cat warm.
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From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg [mailto:=0Aowner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT
=0A Sent: 11 June 2012=0A19:16
=0A = To:=0Arsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
=0A Subject: LF: Class E=0Aetc
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<= font color=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"Verdana">Hi Ken
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Ha ha Stefan, how good = is your Integratio= n=0AKen?
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= Here are a couple of sites that should=0Aanswer your questions. You need a = good dummy load and a good=0Aoscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the a= mplifier is to do with =0AA/ the correct driver preferably using a FET=0Adrive chip (like TC4422 non a= nd TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET=0Afully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise tim= e with=0Aaccurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max = permitted gate=0Avoltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they=0Apop, look out for transients, a = diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting the=0Ashunt capacitance and inductance&= nbsp;in the drain circuit can be done empirically=0ASee article below. Then follow it with a low pass fil= ter, although the=0Aoutput wave will be surprisingly= =0Aclean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't nece= ssarily=0Aknow all the starting parameters and in any case the re= sult is going to=0Awide of the mark. The site below will gives some st= arting values. Best=0Ato use 'Scope measurements=0Ato set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On = /=0AOff rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the= =0Akey.
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These amplifiers are capable of=0Aincredibly good effici= ency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means=0Athe heat dissipation from= the FET is very low at high pow= er giving=0Acool heat-sinks!
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The GW3UEP (do=0Aa web search) single ended des= ign is capable good efficiency and=0Ahi= gh power depending upon the FET = used and Drain supply voltage. I=0Ahave modified one to run reliably at 140= watts and is capable of almost=0Atwice that into a dummy load with a heat s= ink that is fairly cool.=0AAdjusting L and C empirically=0Ausing the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max= efficiency=0Ais the way to go. The article below shows you what you are lo= oking for.=0AI set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to g= et the=0Acorrect drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak vol= tage=0Aacross the Dummy load. I then transfer my connector from t= he Dummy load=0Ato the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead.=0AI adjust the coupling link to give the = same peak voltage across the=0Atuner link turns. You are not looking f= or maximum peak just the sames=0Aas across the dummy load indicating a 50oh= m match. This is done by=0Aeither adding or reducing the num= ber of turns (about two turns) along=0Awith bringing the the transformer to= resonance by measuring the peak = up-lead=0Acurrent, here you are looking for the maximum peak.  <= /font>
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For = some bed time reading but ignor= =0Athe math look at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which= =0Atell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-p= oweramps.pdf
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---1613889061-985321963-1339628355=:5649-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6BE78380000E4; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjdZo-0007TP-Bk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:45:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjdZn-0007TG-Qn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:45:35 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjdZm-0000mn-4k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:45:34 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5QLjXwL005783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:45:33 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QLjW5t032120 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:45:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEA2D0D.9050007@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:43:41 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, Now calling CQ on 476.5 kHz CW. FB conds this evening without QRN. Just worked DF6NM as my first station from Germany. 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: ddae800c6581715278ab3184b42d46db Subject: LF: 476.5 CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:363709344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf4fea2db61d3a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, Now calling CQ on 476.5 kHz CW. FB conds this evening without QRN. Just worked DF6NM as my first station from Germany. 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C3E823800008B; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh6N7-0006W4-BX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:54:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh6N6-0006Vv-UU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:54:00 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh6N5-0006ej-9W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:53:59 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: BF45E13809B.AD26A X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF45E13809B for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:53:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1E9F20046 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:53:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::a470:76b3:406d:2b1a%27]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:53:46 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Thread-Index: AQHNTmHXwBq4928hqUCFRDcy8F/qg5cCB0mAgAAnXmk= Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:53:46 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.14] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.129 (rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: actually 501.2kHz. Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. You are 579 with the usual QSB. I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared ERP abt 1W. 73, Rik ON7YD [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: RE: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430396192:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4fe0f53f6ae7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none actually 501.2kHz. Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. You are 579 with the usual QSB. I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared ERP = abt 1W. 73, Rik ON7YD ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse Jan/pa3abk On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > just in case someone wants... > I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1ECF6380000AE; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Saw7h-0001wZ-Eh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:44:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Saw7g-0001wQ-Ul for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:44:36 +0100 Received: from smtp28.mail.ru ([94.100.176.181]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Saw7d-0007LP-Ny for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:44:35 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=mail.ru Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:References:To:From:Message-ID; bh=HR/aAZccGi+IpwYeeT4SAux1z0M+V0RNXpwfJllkmPQ=; b=qPnqddLoZseEsosqKCnNhqXkWWkPUhLkN+ezxP8WBRTMAeSEmXYBhbg2z5UwpGOCuPxlNlt6v1Gb8ib6ng6nhq8Il9xaAYMnxTVvcSeon3XmtltWFQkuiIaCKF7CN/lk; Received: from [79.98.8.29] (port=46759 helo=EFREMOV) by smtp28.mail.ru with esmtpa (envelope-from ) id 1Saw7Z-0007si-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:44:32 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <001301cd4108$e21e9010$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1338658900.90499.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA625B.4050505@iup.uni-heidelber g.de> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 01:43:29 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hi Stefan, LF just now 73 agc [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [94.100.176.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rn3agc[at]mail.ru) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 7359e3db0d0d4e4b3f03652f0438e323 Subject: LF: Re: LF/MF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CD412A.46D74F80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81215 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:432809536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d291.1 ; domain : mail.ru DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fca898047cd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CD412A.46D74F80 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Stefan, LF just now 73 agc > Hi Pete, LF, > > Pete, the RIG sounds good. Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well? We could try > for a QSO if you like. So far i didn't see you there on the band if i > remember correctly. > > 73, Stefan > > Am 02.06.2012 19:41, schrieb M0FMT: >> The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power (depending upon >> output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's >> currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators >> for the logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this >> rig, limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could >> separate the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the device I supose. >> The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer >> via a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the "Top" of the >> transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon insulating >> washers throught the wall and straight up to the 8inch ribbed >> glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope to a 24foot mast (soon >> to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long earthing wires. >> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CD412A.46D74F80 Content-Type: image/png; name="capt1181.png" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="capt1181.png" iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAArQAAABQCAIAAABnFnEwAAAAB3RJTUUH3AYCFSAlSAzaoQAAIABJ REFUeJzU3X18ldWVKP7v4ZhIQjDhCAYwKMRUCWoQjVQbquALxdLQWnxBWi9MW2qH2tJx2svMrb1q 650O97bcOrXe6dA7UzutderYsWpbtXWkKnYEC0JRKm8FeY3EkBCSkJMczu+PZ/aZfTihvZ/P759x ffLHk+c8z372Xnvt9bbXWjvFJJawClTSC1qZwCoGaGENMGbM65MmDd+3L79v3wfYQitTeJwtiqCW tsJ1KvVAPv88IxnL7cVPLuLBcF3H3uJf5/MoqGcnWM4Eto0Zc9uhQ/fzgCGgkQaeoIaLWA2aGxp+ dOhQe1fXdGaGm01sopnb2M4jZJnPfaGppTSwkbVhjPPZxqbwQNKf73J26Cru5N6oP2UMhOtK7uC5 gNIaqopHvZSRrBhqXAUUNfNK1IEVLGE3z5zkLeFbneH6P+b0D8ICTuWpMJuzSz4RT1+heyvYz33U MIeHWcZG3n3++be99tpXA7FBOv14LreGgw0Nd23f/rUwoa08UdztZMiNbKF53LiHDxxYECFhAa/T wUcC6laNGzfrwIFvsoWFLImmAI18OpUal88/y3b2RJNbGxFVQt4rWMF32RIGmHSjknt5lGZWhYXz 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Content preview: my grabber runs this night for your tests on 472.4....473.2 khz in QRSS1 mode it refreshs every 3 minutes [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.23 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dl7et[at]gmx.de) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_C1698 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_C1698 X-Scan-Signature: 195b836cb7437e99aa05107459888659 Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD49A9.097F97F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:344184928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494fd9020d2bd5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD49A9.097F97F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my grabber runs this night for your tests on 472.4....473.2 khz in QRSS1 mode=20 it refreshs every 3 minutes RX FT900=20 AER 7.5m groundplane http://www.mydarc.de/dl7et/grabber.htm=20 gud dx and vy 73=20 Veit DL7ET ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD49A9.097F97F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD49A9.097F97F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 413D938000081; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SatlT-0001D9-Bd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:13:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SatlS-0001Ct-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:13:30 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SatlR-0006yB-D7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:13:29 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q52JDS1p013280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:13:28 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q52JDSiZ020369 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:13:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA6580.5050705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:12:00 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <02F312E3BECE491093465DC96EAF847F@AGB> In-Reply-To: <02F312E3BECE491093465DC96EAF847F@AGB> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi G.., Am 02.06.2012 20:02, schrieb Graham: > > 136 is provided with two beacon speeds only , OP8 and OP32 , > changing mode , changes the frequency band. monitoring is one > speed only . But if the PC simply keys the PTT then how does the program know on which frequency i choose on the TX? So i could run any mode on any band, right? What distances have been achieved with OP8 so far? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436349120:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4fca66033d91 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi G.., Am 02.06.2012 20:02, schrieb Graham: > > 136 is provided with two beacon speeds only , OP8 and OP32 , > changing mode , changes the frequency band. monitoring is one > speed only . But if the PC simply keys the PTT then how does the program know on which frequency i choose on the TX? So i could run any mode on any band, right? What distances have been achieved with OP8 so far? > > It is possible to simply run 2 Op sessions , one set to say > OP8 and the other OP32 , or for other bands , one set to beacon , > the other qso mode. OK, understood. Well, 30% CPU load is very much for my PC since many SL instances are running there permanently. But for some alternative experiments, some time... I must admit the ease of simply steering the PTT sounds good... > > CPU loading , from recent posts > Single core 1.7 gig laptop with 2 > gig ram and winxp > > (fujitsu siemens lifebook s series) is reported by dg9bfc as > running ok, I find my old P4 3.2 ghz pc shows 25/35% cpu > loading .. Eddie reports his 1.6GHz Atom Processor Sammy Netbook, > is running Op no problems > > 73 -G.. R. 73, Stefan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EA4C53800008C; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZdo-0005Bl-70 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZdn-0005Bc-L6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:23 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbZdl-0007UG-8d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:22 +0100 Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so2475272wib.10 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:56:19 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=DLadr592gg8YD38GIdb+/9bPlBuGuvlbUJ7T19apX+A=; b=RIUPBTn32i+Sa2w5pWbO6XM27GGtLxQYUX4PdTzgnueOCInui8XjWFCQfZ8897+T+h eM+fMlVBdxwK4N8aoeWMSuIZ5vNElYlRT6+Aed7pV5hwhidhNqnS2hCzDf52HEG5gBsT e85LBz1GlVpsVzT3Z7sFq/zE+OchZxvxBwfPpfETmeedGAugdNo9TWbZ3l4mtpzXKOqq UzIqBMjV+Nv5CaDVpQFBxAUeLpDspyX1slw8NmzD3Yfym3seUCmf05ZgaQTdE6PkPVNv 4yzt6SXsDlPfPnKyk5oNLACAKvP5IB3vuc8bF8YVh907soWfEAmjUnWMut9aAvD3oSXY 9/Fw== Received: by 10.216.227.101 with SMTP id c79mr11559794weq.188.1338825379602; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc6-cmbg17-2-0-cust624.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com. 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Content preview: Dear Stefan, If you visit the group website the poll button is on the left. Press it, vote and leave thereafter. But I am still puzzled why you really have such an aversion to Yahoo Groups which thousands of hams have used happily and freely for years. They are a GOOD resource. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d63ea50e288c5ecb9bd7a86eeabe94f2 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A6956337-3533-4FA0-AAD9-3BE026D60FA3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:483958656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m013.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4fccdadb4b43 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-A6956337-3533-4FA0-AAD9-3BE026D60FA3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear Stefan, If you visit the group website the poll button is on the left. Press it, vot= e and leave thereafter. But I am still puzzled why you really have such an a= version to Yahoo Groups which thousands of hams have used happily and freely= for years. They are a GOOD resource.=20 Dear Mal, This all started as a simple suggestion of mine: Yahoo Groups offer everythi= ng this reflector has (speed,email flash messages etc) and so yet much more t= oo. I had NO wish to create a problem, especially with good people like Ste= fan who I greatly respect. I have never sought conflict and certainly my vie= ws on moderation have been totally misrepresented. Please, can we cool it? John (G3WKL),=20 I am rapidly losing the will to live :-) . Like me, you have only been tryin= g to do the best for LFers, including finding new ways to share knowledge an= d data with newcomers. I am so sorry this has become so contentious.=20 73s Roger=20 -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 16:03, John Gould wrote: > Stefan, >=20 > I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. = I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, s= o you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail a= ccount, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, v= ote and then un-subscribe. =20 >=20 > I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the o= ther group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =20 >=20 > 73 John, G3WKL >=20 > On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: > Hi Clive, LF, >=20 > For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo acc= ount it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo= party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are furt= her members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process. >=20 > My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. A= s long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to w= in and the other will be shut down after some time. >=20 > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: > If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting per= iod ends. > =20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-A6956337-3533-4FA0-AAD9-3BE026D60FA3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Dear Stefan,
If y= ou visit the group website the poll button is on the left. Press it, vote an= d leave thereafter. But I am still puzzled why you really have such an avers= ion to Yahoo Groups which thousands of hams have used happily and freely for= years. They are a GOOD resource. 

Dear Mal,
This all started as a simple suggestion of mine: Yahoo Groups offer= everything this reflector has (speed,email flash messages etc) and so yet m= uch more too.  I had NO wish to create a problem, especially with good p= eople like Stefan who I greatly respect. I have never sought conflict and ce= rtainly my views on moderation have been totally misrepresented. Please, can= we cool it?

John (G3WKL), 
I am rap= idly losing the will to live :-) . Like me, you have only been trying to do t= he best for LFers, including finding new ways to share knowledge and data wi= th newcomers. I am so sorry this has become so contentious. 
=
73s
Roger 

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver= --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 16:03, John Gould <johngould88@googlemail.com> wrote:
Stefan,

= I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. &n= bsp;I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked O= K, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-ma= il account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderator= s, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set= up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they v= oted.  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer <Stefan.Schaef= er@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
Hi Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo accou= nt it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo p= arty. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are furthe= r members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As l= ong as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win= and the other will be shut down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting perio= d ends.
 


= --Apple-Mail-A6956337-3533-4FA0-AAD9-3BE026D60FA3-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2E5ED380000DC; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 10:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd0db-0008I2-Tc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:58:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd0db-0008Ht-CX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:58:07 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd0dZ-0007za-OW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:58:06 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: An4TANIS0k9cHnWs/2dsb2JhbABFgXZ4Cpt8A5VWgQiCEwETAQEDSQIhCwIIAgEGAQIbOQEEGgYIHB0BAgIBAYU4B4IkG7kkkSYDiA2FMZdbgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,377,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="37623259" Received: from host-92-30-117-172.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.117.172]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Jun 2012 15:57:57 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01cd4587$16abc5f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:57:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Now CQ 502 MF also qsx 7033 CW G3KEV Now CQ 502 MF also qsx 7033 CW G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: LF: cq 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4587.166DAB80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:133549464:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4fd2134a7a4e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4587.166DAB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now CQ 502 MF also qsx 7033 CW G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4587.166DAB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4587.166DAB80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4EB9B3800008A; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 06:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScaEn-0000vP-Q3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:46:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScaEn-0000vG-AF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:46:45 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScaEl-00011C-9h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:46:44 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57AkeQ6000721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:46:41 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57AkeUu025998 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:46:40 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:45:08 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Joe, LF, Yes, we're here of course :-) Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended frequency range then or will you have to QSY? And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:374529504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824fd086e404f3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Joe, LF, Yes, we're here of course :-) Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended frequency range then or will you have to QSY? And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: > > Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at > http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AD0B938000093; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjsms-0000w9-PL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:00:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjsms-0000w0-8x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:00:06 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjsmq-00050D-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:00:05 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5RE03Z9019817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:00:03 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5RE038Z005105 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:00:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEB1172.4070506@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:58:10 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: LF, PA3CPM, massive signal, white on black :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 24b28bbdcbfca290dab8f99364334f46 Subject: LF: PA3CPM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020600040002020301080004" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81777 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429934208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34feb12390c72 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020600040002020301080004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LF, PA3CPM, massive signal, white on black :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------020600040002020301080004 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="PA3CPM.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="PA3CPM.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAgAAAQABAAD/4QDmRXhpZgAASUkqAAgAAAAFABIBAwABAAAAAQAAADEB AgAcAAAASgAAADIBAgAUAAAAZgAAABMCAwABAAAAAQAAAGmHBAABAAAAegAAAAAAAABBQ0Qg U3lzdGVtcyBEaWdpdGFsIEltYWdpbmcAMjAxMjowNjoyNyAxNTo1NzozMgAFAACQBwAEAAAA MDIxMJCSAgAEAAAAOTc4AAKgBAABAAAAoQMAAAOgBAABAAAAkQAAAAWgBAABAAAAvAAAAAAA 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Best 73, Markus (DF6NM in JN59NJ) From: DL7ET Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:11 PM To: LF: Re: 500 khz [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.207.164 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: ad8e5dd63f7497fd9d71d15044db2e2b Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD49C6.6CD7B2C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472761344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m230.1 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44fd917626c3e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD49C6.6CD7B2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks very much for this Veit! Now at 22:33, my first QRSS test on = 472.6 kHz is nicely visible. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM in JN59NJ) From: DL7ET=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:11 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz=20 my grabber runs this night for your tests on 472.4....473.2 khz in QRSS1 mode=20 it refreshs every 3 minutes RX FT900=20 AER 7.5m groundplane http://www.mydarc.de/dl7et/grabber.htm=20 gud dx and vy 73=20 Veit DL7ET ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD49C6.6CD7B2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks very much for this Veit! Now at = 22:33, my=20 first QRSS test on 472.6 kHz is nicely visible.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM in JN59NJ)
 
 
 
 
From: DL7ET
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:11 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz

my grabber runs this night for your = tests on=20 472.4....473.2 khz
 
in QRSS1 mode
 
it refreshs every 3 = minutes
 
RX FT900
AER 7.5m groundplane
 
http://www.mydarc.de/dl7e= t/grabber.htm 
 
 
gud dx and vy 73
 
Veit DL7ET
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Content preview: Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, attached my screen capture.  F4DTL Nicolas -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> A: _RSGB_LF <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Envoyé le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39 Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.91.96 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (f4dtl[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: c27c2e5880e6a74fb6caab19b89e0209 Subject: Re : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------MB_8CF143C5B3FDB49_205C_4F878_webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81371 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453570080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m015.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fd31c7d0b7d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF143C5B3FDB49_205C_4F878_webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF143C5B3FDB49_205C_4F879_webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com" ----------MB_8CF143C5B3FDB49_205C_4F879_webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, attached my screen capture. =C2=A0 F4DTL Nicolas -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> A: _RSGB_LF <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Envoy=C3=A9 le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39 Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Hello Stefan, LF!I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very go= od, S/N more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local stati= on :-) RST =3D 599 UFB 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------MB_8CF143C5B3FDB49_205C_4F879_webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, attached my s= creen capture.
 
F4DTL Nico= las


-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
A: _RSGB_LF <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39
Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS

Hello Stefan, LF!
I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N more= than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-)
RST =3D 599 UFB

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF! Once again, braving the summer hole, i'm transmitting over night on 136.172 kHz in DFCW-90. Still hoping to leave some traces in that mode in YV. The days become longer here again now! 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7b4dbd93955117b98f3a6ac4d7602f88 Subject: LF: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:400119776:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410d4fe8f7a6675b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LF! Once again, braving the summer hole, i'm transmitting over night on 136.172 kHz in DFCW-90. Still hoping to leave some traces in that mode in YV. The days become longer here again now! 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A545F38000087; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl2w4-00080S-CO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:02:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl2w3-00080J-UJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:02:23 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sl2w2-0007K6-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:02:22 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5UJ2K7m015607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:02:21 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5UJ2KVu029885 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:02:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEF4CC8.4090200@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:00:24 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEEF3ED.4070503@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEEF3ED.4070503@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5UJ2K7m015607 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, As i arrived on the hill, a essential thing was missed: The antenna! Someone has carefully removed the complete construction, just a piece of a few meters remained in a tree. A pity :-( That must have been forest workers or so. It was to be expected that this will happen but i didn't expect that the complete construction will be taken. Don't know when this happened, i didn't use the earth antenna for a long time. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7ab87d4d3ea1d9dcb73a78e83fe4d608 Subject: Re: LF: An asymmetric feeded full wave dipole for the 630m band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:366357984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fef4d9872d0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, As i arrived on the hill, a essential thing was missed: The antenna!=20 Someone has carefully removed the complete construction, just a piece of=20 a few meters remained in a tree. A pity :-( That must have been forest workers or so. It was to be expected that=20 this will happen but i didn't expect that the complete construction will=20 be taken. Don't know when this happened, i didn't use the earth antenna for a long=20 time. Now i have just 1100m of that wire left, at home. I think i won't build a new earth antenna, not at all at this location=20 ;-) But i will try a MF dipole in some time. Thinking back what was done with this antenna, Michael Oexner received=20 me in 45km distance on 8970 Hz in DFCW-600. Also F5WK and others=20 reported to see me in QRSS-3 on 137 kHz. It was an interesting project=20 and worth the effort, even for that short time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 30.06.2012 14:41, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > MF, > > Another thing. Right now it is 32 =B0C here. Best place it to stay on=20 > the beach or on the top of a hill in the forest. Today i choose the=20 > forest. > > Accidentally there is my 700m (ish) long earth antenna which has an=20 > average height above ground of 8m. Today i want to use it as a dipole=20 > for the 630m band. The feed point is somewhere in the middle but not=20 > exactly known. > > What will the efficiency and radiation pattern be? Is it a dipole or=20 > what? EZNEC says it will have 10 Ohm Z=3DR at resonance (Cu losses +=20 > "typical" ground losses). > > The WX forcast says there will be much QRN in the evening, anyway. > > Maybe someone can listen from time to time on 476.5 kHz? I will listen=20 > on the band (+ 500 kHz +-) too and maybe a QSO is possible. Who knows... > > If the antenna behaves as a dipole it should radiate E/W, so good=20 > chances for UK, PA and DF6NM, DJ2LF... > > I'll start now and may be "QRV" in 2 hours or so. > > Here, the first time my PA will operate in /p. Nice that it is smaller=20 > than a VHS video cassette and allows to generate QRP at high efficiency= ! > > 73, CU, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D1562380000B4; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZSS-00051G-MF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:44:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZSS-000517-5p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:44:40 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbZSP-0007RC-TS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:44:39 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q54FiaJE019624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:44:36 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q54FiamE030277 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:44:36 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:43:06 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear LF group, In the last few weeks, very sad things happened. We can't screw the time back. But a significant damage of closeness of the group happened i'm afraid. First members unsubscribed completely. For what? MORE? Is that more? It's a SHAME! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: d7fcd9b75df8d1b09ddef9df028bd9ae Subject: LF: general Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060400000308030803030701" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430913600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fccd82e71aa X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060400000308030803030701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF group, In the last few weeks, very sad things happened. We can't screw the time back. But a significant damage of closeness of the group happened i'm afraid. First members unsubscribed completely. For what? MORE? Is that more? It's a SHAME! Maybe the "people in power" begin to realise what is happening here. *I do not want to take part in the discussion any longer.* All the statements, worries, ideas, objections and appeals have been clearly formulated, many times! Amateur radio work on 137 kHz and below 9 kHz was a very nice time and work for me in the last 2.5 years. This wouldn't have been possible without this group. Thank you for that! I hope we can go on together in some time. 73! Stefan/DK7FC --------------060400000308030803030701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF group,

In the last few weeks, very sad things happened. We can't screw the time back. But a significant damage of closeness of the group happened i'm afraid. First members unsubscribed completely. For what? MORE? Is that more? It's a SHAME!

Maybe the "people in power" begin to realise what is happening here.

I do not want to take part in the discussion any longer. All the statements, worries, ideas, objections and appeals have been clearly formulated, many times!

Amateur radio work on 137 kHz and below 9 kHz was a very nice time and work for me in the last 2.5 years. This wouldn't have been possible without this group. Thank you for that!
I hope we can go on together in some time.

73! Stefan/DK7FC

--------------060400000308030803030701-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0ED8E380000BB; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd6wx-0002SC-Ny for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:42:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd6wx-0002S3-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:42:31 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd6wv-0001Ix-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:42:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q58LgRH2017821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 23:42:27 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q58LgR5D001188 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 23:42:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD27165.7060202@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:40:53 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002301cd4587$970dadd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <002301cd4587$970dadd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q58LgRH2017821 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I saw someone was transmitting on 137.0 right after i stopped the beacon. Not sure if this was you? It's a bit chaotic here with many people talking criss cross... They are all drunken of course, except me of course ;-) 73... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Fieldday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:378315584:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054fd271ef1d41 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I saw someone was transmitting on 137.0 right after i stopped the=20 beacon. Not sure if this was you? It's a bit chaotic here with many=20 people talking criss cross... They are all drunken of course, except me=20 of course ;-) 73... Am 08.06.2012 17:01, schrieb mal hamilton: > If I thought you could receive me I would TX even xband LF/MF. Have you > improved your RX es antenna. > I would be on CW only because QRSS is not necessary around EU > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:54 AM > Subject: LF: Fieldday > > > =20 >> LF! >> >> Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and >> experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and >> shapes will be tested. >> The locator will be JN49FV26GJ >> (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49FV26GJ). If someone of the ot= hers >> offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some images to >> http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html >> Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I >> will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> =20 > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D51763800009D; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiClI-0000EW-VU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiClI-0000EN-E4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:32 +0100 Received: from nm22-vm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.109.226]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiClG-0003NR-Mh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:31 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.54] by nm22.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 22:55:28 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.249] by tm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 22:55:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 22:55:28 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.com Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 310624.45257.bm@omp1014.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 5212 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 2012 22:55:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1340405728; bh=vnydPfEM4d9ulmCQO0MoFRM/7PVt3QVphz7tbWxbXyo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RRHOL3KxaZi928ruba6yOX2QmN7CyLKzuYfm4MrtrTUogTdPCT40fSN6nxBnQX9whvJ6E9GU+IVKy0Q86HESMEeTUIcBh6nI4I7elr2fKpzK97FdAmvKQNBc67KdZ4IDJas0mQFIH/oyOlF3pYQ5JwmJpWazu4+WnO/Yh4eJY1I= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FtorAAJqyvH2tQu1DG3anfU/FSN0lHkZO/ux6tIo+EOY0pdaiZxbb3qn5pLaNBf7plgd7PzRlPrYQUgwET8HB082Aq2KLR27AEKCrkEQew0AOb7bpO180uF/pXk8rac5cw6eY2x4kXNMdCZXcyT8KGJ/MjPsXIjWifq9niW58gw=; X-YMail-OSG: gesmOhkVM1kC9ZA4P5JtPE8nZVonN9tHCVXvSEL_6Ypyjdy 2nJotfRH8MZ_JFqtip6pkKvyt8K7clJw2gIxy.u02YN6Jay41kZF5YwlDZVp nbocNLrpf3GLfwSNt3t2kQJMOoSG1Kk1ey_NNgeWUUi0qKuCdS4Yckc9RZtw 5L62vZOW4PZzqQgzsJEEOfPY0ZlTdKHsFAK6Sfwl3kaDuxakVtMsf5TcRfxu A2YVZt5Ti_TnORqwBrFp0dxT5tEXttSd5BFGVnfeBaXNFlZjngxuQ5i.5Bcu nMADO_UZhtgt_9We45wH7NmvfcK9LrMOtbwrZAwAqy5yutxO9.ezQqmMSD0m ITI7gCAq0CCh7mgGLIMFTaPWPmQl.Hltq_FEht9Go.SRQGz8pJDEzkz.n0yj DYI84aKeRcO2B6w-- Received: from [87.1.245.180] by web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:27 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4E6E0AD4.4838.465714@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <1315833746.18312.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4FE4E3E2.8030209@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340401559.71504.YahooMailNeo@web29501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4FE4E8F2.4010204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: <1340405727.5205.YahooMailNeo@web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:27 +0100 (BST) From: Daniele Tincani To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FE4E8F2.4010204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hello Stefan, it is a full license, no band/mode limitations, only tx power is limited to 500W max. 73 Daniele IZ5WWB Da: Stefan Schäfer A: Venerdì 22 Giugno 2012 23:51 Oggetto: LF: Re: IZ5WWB [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.226 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: cd16d8c2fb75309db133b7de4adb1391 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IZ5WWB Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="671563967-1821991048-1340405727=:5205" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:354431424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d021.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4fe4f8283f1c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --671563967-1821991048-1340405727=:5205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan,=0A=A0=0Ait is a full license, no band/mode limitations, only = tx power is limited to 500W max.=0A=A0=0A73=0ADaniele IZ5WWB=0A =0A=0A_____= ___________________________=0A Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: Venerd=EC 22= Giugno 2012 23:51=0AOggetto: LF: Re: IZ5WWB=0A =0A=0A =0AHi Daniele, =0A= =0AMy very congratulations! I hope you will enjoy the hobby from the=0Atran= smit site too! Is it a "full" licence or are you limited to some=0Aband and= certain power levels?=0AI would be happy to have a QSO some day with you.= =0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A=0AAm 22.06.2012 23:45, schrieb Daniele Tincani: = =0AHello=0AStefan, I got a callsign in Feb this year, so it is pretty new. = Only=0Alittle activity on VHF repeaters so far, plus plans for attempting Q= RP=0A/p on 20m. Free time is tight and new ideas to experiment with seem to= =0Anever stop... :-)=0A>73=0A>Daniele IZ5WWB =0A>=0A>=0A>__________________= ______________=0A> Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer mailto:Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de=0A>A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Inviato: Venerd=EC 22=0AGi= ugno 2012 23:30=0A>Oggetto: Re: LF:=0AFerrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?=0A= > =0A>=0A>Hi Daniele, =0A>=0A>I think the others have already answered (i'= m 21 mails in delay ;-) ).=0A>But what i want to ask: Since what time do yo= u have a amateur radio=0Acall? I've never heared from it so far. Or is it n= ew?=0A>=0A>73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A>=0A>Am 22.06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tin= cani: =0A>=0A>>=0A>>73 =0A>>Daniele IZ5WWB =0A>> =0A>=0A> --671563967-1821991048-1340405727=:5205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Stefan,
 
it is = a full license, no band/mode limitations, only tx power is limited to 500W = max.
 
73
Daniele IZ5WWB

Da:= Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><= br> A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Inviato: Venerd=EC 22 G= iugno 2012 23:51
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=0AHi Daniele,
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=0AMy very congratulation= s! I hope you will enjoy the hobby from the=0Atransmit site too! Is it a "f= ull" licence or are you limited to some=0Aband and certain power levels?=0AI would be happy to have a QSO some day with you.
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=0A73, Stef= an/DK7FC
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=0AAm 22.06.2012 23:45, schrieb Daniele Tincani:=0A=0A
Hello=0AStefan, I got a ca= llsign in Feb this year, so it is pretty new. Only=0Alittle activity on VHF= repeaters so far, plus plans for attempting QRP=0A/p on 20m. Free time is = tight and new ideas to experiment with seem to=0Anever stop... :-)
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=0A Inviat= o: Venerd=EC 22=0AGiugno 2012 23:30
=0A Oggetto: Re: LF:=0AFerrite broadband (LF-MF) a= ntenna?
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Hi Daniele,
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=0AI think the others have already answe= red (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ).
=0ABut what i want to ask: Since what = time do you have a amateur radio=0Acall? I've never heared from it so far. = Or is it new?
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=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC
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--671563967-1821991048-1340405727=:5205-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB15938000090; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjoNr-0000WX-Fb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:17:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjoNr-0000WO-07 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:17:59 +0100 Received: from nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.214]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjoNo-0002rT-Q1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:17:57 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.55] by nm17.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2012 09:17:55 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.250] by tm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2012 09:17:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2012 09:17:55 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 643484.54304.bm@omp1015.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 18544 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2012 09:17:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340788675; bh=5I48/PyG+GdHxwmnmbovFID5K3PcAbrE6jHQtf+HIVk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=exx4lf6X5z+CERIET+0ckjeIO2w5MjLAtBLiK8B9aA/MF6JL/uR3+6I7roOZBL1kg4/4ij4BFPTM+xCQeietxDTYwfFjHeNabFgZMha8z3OxGXaPdypqGLYrZriVUDR270KgG7Igq9jfWsM0+LXjNb2/j9FF/cNXhsRJKb9gWwY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jixAnQkD+WT5c8lhfqAjmuRClA8eHQ969TwM/7Mwba9LP+v2E7rDrZSo337WgdPhhFVmYAIPqWEW9+7qdy9sjRlpZChc5MOzDph0HVKg9UPw5LN6b0caQfTW3iUKWaP78iD8FKd67uL6/5D4/XaeJCzowoAMXu6Aj/wWW8qEIlQ=; X-YMail-OSG: flPajNoVM1lg0XJtVc9OxRZhRFZFx9MvZ_b7goWuuNkncjP 0S8Fy24MVUeD0uPsetmW.r8rs6aQc.GOHtrC1MZWFEAr9em6ERomRMefENIY 0.QgL7A3U1CKTUV__nZe30A5xMiCK3SODB7IFOvIZFAXdETPIAHQhpfnzyVh 5uxp1CEp6OUDpORsRuYTcPz1Nlybwyl8nVHjcMPqPHTZRUzrvnHljD7X8Owi vMsAXGdMAWyIELb_1P5ZCWT.xRaDUC_2_d3x9Eka7A5BVO8K.8W1hYkYx4fu iWrMpHtOP_ERb0HDrSq6depivQYIc.UbuIBdiavROoIPI2MB4s7yK6ReoQ75 Yhu8k87a28OY0ZATs_SA2StGCf.X2RvWc8XN3djshl6RbDtPWBeKRV8zMakg LCJY.AEO_e_ZgVAJPIrRoCrcHDYYU1hMzfSX3qdRuHbfxOnJo2H9_ Received: from [86.164.61.75] by web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:17:55 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> Message-ID: <1340788675.17913.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:17:55 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera keyer design and software with HEX code.  It works a treat. It has been keying a test oscillator for a day now. Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output  500kc/s 6CL6 valve TX on into a LW 35ft up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting 500kc/s USB. Don’t laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the past. 73 Pete M0FMT  IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.214 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1739384856-1340788675=:17913" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:439950912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-a415.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fead005654e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1739384856-1340788675=:17913 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=0AThanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing=C2=A0his PIC Opera keyer=0Ades= ign and software with HEX code.=0A=C2=A0It works a treat.=C2=A0 It has been= keying a test oscillator for a=0Aday now.=0ATonight (about 18:00 local) I = will put my 1 Watt RF output =C2=A0500kc/s 6CL6 valve TX on into a LW 35ft = up x=0A128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting 500kc/s USB.=0ADon=E2=80=99t = laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the past.=0A73 Pete M0FMT =C2=A0I= O91UX --435439028-1739384856-1340788675=:17913 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--435439028-1739384856-1340788675=:17913-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7505138000081; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfxjc-0008C2-Ai for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:28:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfxjb-0008Bt-LW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:28:31 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfxjY-0003ED-SA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:28:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5GISRs9017537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:28:27 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GISRsI027711 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:28:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCCFE5.30905@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:26:45 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8146402EAAE443729F66C932F047B78D@AGB> <4FDCC7A4.6080608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1728F969CC6A46E9B1579E8818B344EB@AGB> In-Reply-To: <1728F969CC6A46E9B1579E8818B344EB@AGB> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK. Give me some time, i will consider... Still no signal in Delft. Seems they use a band filter centered arround 505 kHz. Maybe i'm some dB down there... 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 20:04, schrieb Graham: > OK Stefan, > well all you need is to send carrier on ( 477KHz + 1700 > Hz) = 478.700 KHz , use Opera set to 500KHz OP4 mode Tx > and after 4 mins , you will have a s/n report from all tuned > to 477 KHz : ) > * * > > *17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB * > > G.. > > *From:* Stefan Schäfer > *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft > > Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now, > works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW. > Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First > tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur > signals. It's slowly starting here now. > I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... > I still have no idea about MF propagation... > Exciting! :-) > > 73, Stefan > > Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham: >> Ok Stefan , >> What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the >> RX to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly >> into io83lk hihi >> 73 -G.. >> >> *From:* Stefan Schäfer >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* LF: MF:477 via Delft >> >> Thank you Graham, eh i mean G.., >> >> Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to >> extend the range... >> >> Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham: >>> Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... ! >>> Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft >>> can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise >>> .should work ? >>> G.. >>> http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 7ee575a0a6578bbbbe5ea7af32688fd5 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050205010509070407010607" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451662624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4fdcd0887a93 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050205010509070407010607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5GISRs9017537 OK. Give me some time, i will consider... Still no signal in Delft. Seems they use a band filter centered arround=20 505 kHz. Maybe i'm some dB down there... 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 20:04, schrieb Graham: > OK Stefan, > well all you need is to send carrier on ( 477KHz + 1700=20 > Hz) =3D 478.700 KHz , use Opera set to 500KHz OP4 mode Tx =20 > and after 4 mins , you will have a s/n report from all tuned=20 > to 477 KHz : ) > * * > > *17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB * > > G.. > > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft > > Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now,=20 > works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW. > Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First=20 > tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur=20 > signals. It's slowly starting here now. > I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft...=20 > I still have no idea about MF propagation... > Exciting! :-) > > 73, Stefan > > Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham: >> Ok Stefan , >> What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the =20 >> RX to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly=20 >> into io83lk hihi >> 73 -G.. >> >> *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* LF: MF:477 via Delft >> >> Thank you Graham, eh i mean G.., >> >> Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to=20 >> extend the range... >> >> Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham: >>> Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range ...= . ! >>> Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft >>> can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise=20 >>> .should work ? >>> G.. >>> http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ --------------050205010509070407010607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. Give me some time, i will consider...
Still no signal in Delft. Seems they use a band filter centered arround 505 kHz. Maybe i'm some dB down there...

73, Stefan

Am 16.06.2012 20:04, schrieb Graham:
OK  Stefan,
 
well   all  you  need  is to   send  carrier  on   ( 477KHz  + 1700 Hz)  =    478.700 KHz  , use  Opera  set to  500KHz   OP4  mode Tx   and  after  4 mins ,  you will  have  a  s/n report  from  all  tuned to  477 KHz  : )
 

17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB  

 
G..
 

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now, works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW.
Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals. It's slowly starting here now.
I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... I still have no idea about MF propagation...
Exciting! :-)

73, Stefan

Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham:
Ok Stefan ,
 
What mode  are  sending  ? opera ?  If  so  then   I will   set the  RX to  477  as  well  , Im sure  some  signal  will  leak   directly into  io83lk  hihi
 
73 -G..

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,

Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the range...

Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the  Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  477  via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  , but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
--------------050205010509070407010607-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C6FAD38000096; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shpi2-0002II-Q2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:18:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shpi2-0002I9-5h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:18:38 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shphz-0004wC-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:18:37 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5LMIXZZ006467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:18:34 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5LMIXLg008816 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:18:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE39D4F.9010707@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:16:47 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Uwe, Are you QRV on MF as well? I'm asking myselfe how many stations are already listening on the band, and how many can transmit. Today we had massive lightnings here, no chance for any reception in the evening. I already got several SWL (or MWL) reports via email but didn't work a German station so far. My hope is that there will be a lot of activity also be newcomers making the much smaller jump from 1800 kHz to 475 kHz which is just a factor 4(ish) in wavelength. The jump from 1800 kHz to 137 kHz is much harder, so maybe the majority thinks that there is no possibility for amateur radio on LF. But those who think they are hard men because they can work on "top band" may consider to try something new now. If they start to receive there and even hear someone calling CQ, that would be helpful i think! BTW are you a CW man, will i hear you some day? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c0e6e8bcdc231effb9da2003d606d9a2 Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050808050902010508090900" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454747200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40594fe39df923af X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050808050902010508090900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Uwe, Are you QRV on MF as well? I'm asking myselfe how many stations are already listening on the band, and how many can transmit. Today we had massive lightnings here, no chance for any reception in the evening. I already got several SWL (or MWL) reports via email but didn't work a German station so far. My hope is that there will be a lot of activity also be newcomers making the much smaller jump from 1800 kHz to 475 kHz which is just a factor 4(ish) in wavelength. The jump from 1800 kHz to 137 kHz is much harder, so maybe the majority thinks that there is no possibility for amateur radio on LF. But those who think they are hard men because they can work on "top band" may consider to try something new now. If they start to receive there and even hear someone calling CQ, that would be helpful i think! BTW are you a CW man, will i hear you some day? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 21.06.2012 19:54, schrieb uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de: > Hi Geri, > and your signs at 472.5kHz are 599 in jo43sv. me and an other D-stn > tried to answer your CQ call some nights ago. sri, but no reaction. > GL > Uwe/dj8wx --------------050808050902010508090900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Uwe,

Are you QRV on MF as well? I'm asking myselfe how many stations are already listening on the band, and how many can transmit. Today we had massive lightnings here, no chance for any reception in the evening.
I already got several SWL (or MWL) reports via email but didn't work a German station so far. My hope is that there will be a lot of activity also be newcomers making the much smaller jump from 1800 kHz to 475 kHz which is just a factor 4(ish) in wavelength. The jump from 1800 kHz to 137 kHz is much harder, so maybe the majority thinks that there is no possibility for amateur radio on LF. But those who think they are hard men because they can work on "top band" may consider to try something new now. If they start to receive there and even hear someone calling CQ, that would be helpful i think!
BTW are you a CW man, will i hear you some day?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 21.06.2012 19:54, schrieb uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de:
Hi Geri,
and your signs at 472.5kHz are 599 in jo43sv. me and an other D-stn tried to answer your CQ call some nights ago. sri, but no reaction.
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/160818253496?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item257183ceb8 Just over £5 a pop! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256f326077 Just over £6 a pop! But what is the “Unobtainium” ferrite?  …… ;0) Chees Pete FMT   From: Jean-Pierre Méré To: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.21 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 18c0ce4cbca80559a8b22b14cd653174 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1507048413-1296473933-1340875355=:96079" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481912928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m014.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64fec22b156d6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1507048413-1296473933-1340875355=:96079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan=0Ahttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-= /160818253496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem2571= 83ceb8=0AJust over =C2=A35 a pop!=0Ahttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CP= A-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_De= faultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326077=0AJust over =C2=A36 a pop!=0ABut what i= s the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6= ;0)=0AChees Pete FMT=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 28 J= une 2012, 9:42=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A= =0A=0A=0AHello Stephan ,=0AMe too =0A73=C2=A0 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ=C2=A0 =0A= =0A=0A=0A=0ALe 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:=0A =0AHi Stephan= =0A>=0A>Me Too=0A>=0A> =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>From: "PA1SDB= , Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org=0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Se= nt: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12=0A>Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running= at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>like =0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A= >>From: Rik Strobbe =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thur= sday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM =0A>>Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 = VDC =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>If=C2=A0someone is=C2=A0interested i=C2=A0may=C2=A0conv= ert the circuit=C2=A0from=C2=A0my=C2=A0mind=C2=A0into a schematic as a=C2= =A0png file. =0A>>=0A>>Always=C2=A0interested ;-) =0A>>=0A>>73, Rik=C2=A0= =C2=A0ON7YD - OR7T =0A>=0A> --1507048413-1296473933-1340875355=:96079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=0A=0AHi Stefan
= =0A=0AJust over =C2=A35 a po= p!
=0A= =0AJust over =C2=A36 a pop!<= o:p>
But what is the =E2= =80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite? = ;  =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0)
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Chees Pete FMT
=0A=0A =   From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 <jpm.f1afj@online.fr= >
To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org
Sent:= Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42
Sub= ject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

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=0A Me too
=0A 73  , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ&n= bsp;
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Horst,

 

quoting WRC-12 document 362-E:

"The maximum equivalen= t isotropically radiated power (e.i.r.p.) of= stations in the amateur service using frequencies = in the band 472-479 kHz shall not exceed 1 W. Administrations may increase = ;this limit of e.i.r.p. to 5 W in portions of&nbs= p;their territory which are at a distan= ce of over 800 km from the borders of Algeria,&nb= sp;Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Belarus, China, C= omoros, Djibouti, Egypt, United Arab Emirates<= /a>, the Russian Federation, Iran (Islamic R= epublic of), Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco= , Mauritania, Oman, Uzbekistan, Qatar, Syrian=  Arab Republic, Kyrgyzstan, Somalia= , Sudan, Tunisia, Ukraine and Yemen. In this frequency band, stations= in the amateur service shall not cause=  harmful interference to, or claim = ;protection from, stations of the aeronautical&nb= sp;radionavigation service."

So according= to this it is either 1W EIRP or 5W EIRP. But<= /a> this values should be&n= bsp;seen as a maximum, national authorities&= nbsp;can be more rigid.

I haven't had a close look on<= /a> a map, but it might be=  that the eastern part of Germany i= s within the 800km protection zone (Rus= sie, Belarus).

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens "Horst St=F6cker" [hors= t.stoecker@web.de]
Verzonden: woensdag 20 juni 2012 9:54
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams

Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full imple= mentation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. Wh= at was the maximum power in WRC2012?
The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really?
The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class E. = Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. 9W ERP= . Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. As HAM = with class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing.
It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with one= Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now BNetzA)= remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with ever= y kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: >250THz ist still allocated to class A AN= D E HAMs.
Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the club!<= br>
Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN)

Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Jun= i 2012 um 13:57 Uhr
Von: DK1IS <DK1IS@kabelmail.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg
Betreff: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams
Dear group,

to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the
MF-allocation in Germany which I=B4ve got today via email from our
authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA).

73 and cul on MF!

Tom, DK1IS
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - rather busy on a number of other fronts. However, as I have looked in to post the thing about the poll saw the comments below. What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can you elaborate as I am not aware of this. 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However, as I have looked in to post the thing about the poll saw the comments below. What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can you elaborate as I am not aware of this. In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange the Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using the URL from one on the many published sources would be able to find the group. I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on the same basic topic. 73 John, G3WKL On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris wrote: > Mal, I agree. > Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a year or two > at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF Today' and > probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably links to this > site from others which will be around for years. > Vy 73 all, > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM > Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status > > > John >> Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious >> problems >> with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small attachments and >> for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked well this >> has been pointed out by others. >> I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get more >> adverts that I do not need. >> Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo >> de mal/g3kev >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "pws" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM >> Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status >> >> >> To John, G3WKL, >>> >>> Please do NOT shut down this reflector. >>> >>> 1. It's active in positive sense. >>> >>> 2. There are too many hams here who say >>> "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven >>> Brave New World were each posting will be >>> "googleable" for ever. Me too. >>> >>> That's the reason I unsubscribed from >>> some Yapoo-Groups recently. >>> >>> 73 Peter, df3lp >>> >>> >> >> > > --e89a8fb2033ac9873d04c191e3bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - rather busy on a nu= mber of other fronts. =A0However, as I have looked in to post the thing abo= ut the poll saw the comments below. =A0

What is this res= triction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can you elaborate as I am not a= ware of this. =A0

In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I wou= ld arrange the Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people= using the URL from one on the many published sources would be able to find= the group.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don= 't want to be saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on t= he same basic topic.

73 John, G3WKL

On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> wrote:
Mal, I agree.
Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a year or two at= least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF Today' and = probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably links to this = site from others which will be around for years.
Vy 73 all,
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net&g= t;
To: <r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status


John
Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious problems=
with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small attachments and for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked well this has been pointed out by others.
I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get more
adverts that I do not need.
Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo
de mal/g3kev


----- Original Message -----
From: "pws" <pws@legal-medicine.de>
To: <r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status


To John, G3WKL,

Please do NOT shut down this reflector.

1. It's active in positive sense.

2. There are too many hams here who say
"no thanks!" to that advertisement driven
Brave New World were each posting will be
"googleable" for ever. Me too.

That's the reason I unsubscribed from
some Yapoo-Groups recently.

73 Peter, df3lp






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Content preview: Well unintended consequence may be playing a part in this as well , by the time the project was finished ,I think it was out of economic production range , the rest is on-going history as development costs probably will not be re-claimed , its cheap , but not that cheap , same as lots of posts about making digital back-ends for older HF radios ...eh ! , £10 soft rock or a dongel , job done , something in qst / qex looks 10 years too late , why not a Leakey grid 6c4 AM detector , if you want to go retro [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 79c1e67b102d3032f9e5dec6a7bff04e Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4FBB.BF663E80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427993056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194fe3247e326f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4FBB.BF663E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well unintended consequence may be playing a part in this as = well , by the time the project was finished ,I think it was out = of economic production range , the rest is on-going history as = development costs probably will not be re-claimed , its cheap , = but not that cheap , same as lots of posts about making = digital back-ends for older HF radios ...eh ! , =C2=A310 soft = rock or a dongel , job done , something in qst / qex looks 10 = years too late , why not a Leakey grid 6c4 AM detector , if you = want to go retro=20 24 bit compared to the 8 bit USB-TV , but apparently that's not = the problem that might be imagined ......Ive one sitting in the = box , still slowly working down the things to do list ......... = now one that Tx over that range . that would be handy ! G..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Marco Beware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not = cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the dark side of ham radio = publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T stick is = probably a lower spec than that. But not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" =20 Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 10:30 Subject: RE: LF: SDR programs Hello Pete, I bought a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and = it=E2=80=99s very impressive how this small USB stick works. I compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive = with the Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the = same signal strength. SDR program is SDR-Radio http://sdr-radio.com/ vy73 Marco, DD7PC From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 20 June 2012 20:40 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app and = ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 = (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK = source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg = O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v = into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound = card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB = supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software = is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting software = for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to get = started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/ you will also find a = link to sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time to = learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4FBB.BF663E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well   unintended   consequence   = may =20 be playing  a  part  in this  as well , by the  = time=20 the  project  was  finished ,I think   it  = was  out of  economic  production  range  =  ,=20 the  rest  is on-going history  as  development = costs =20 probably  will  not  be  re-claimed , its  = cheap =20 , but  not  that  cheap  ,  same as  = lots =20 of  posts  about  making   digital =20 back-ends  for  older  HF  radios  ...eh = !  =20 , =C2=A310  soft rock  or  a  dongel  , = job  done ,=20 something  in qst / qex  looks  10  years too =20 late  , why not a  Leakey  grid  6c4  AM = detector ,=20 if  you  want to  go  retro
 
24  bit  compared to the  8 bit  = USB-TV   ,=20 but  apparently  that's  not the  problem that  = might  be  imagined ......Ive one  sitting  in = the  box=20 ,  still  slowly  working down the  things to  = do =20 list ......... now  one that   Tx over that  = range  .=20 that  would be  handy !
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Marco
 
Beware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not=20 cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes=20 the dark side of ham radio publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T stick is probably a lower spec than that. But not at = a ratio of=20 10 to 1!!!
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "Scholz, Marco " <marco.scholz@citi.com>
To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org'"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012,=20 10:30
Subject: RE: = LF: SDR=20 programs

Hello=20 Pete,
I=20 bought a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it=E2=80=99s = very impressive=20 how this small USB stick works.
I=20 compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive = with the=20 Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the same signal=20 strength.
SDR=20 program is SDR-Radio http://sdr-radio.com/
 
vy73
Marco,=20 DD7PC
 
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 20 June 2012 = 20:40
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: SDR=20 programs
 
Hi all
Save those precious Euros = because you=20 don=E2=80=99t know how long they will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint = Seeber=E2=80=99s =20 BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) = DVB-T USB=20 stick.=20
These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to = =C2=A310 from UK source and=20 cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the = cheap=20 way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or = similar=20 block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to = UHF=20 coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.=20
Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations=20 with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough=20 all your local FM BC as well.  Not a lot of people know=20 that!
URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_comp= atibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You = won=E2=80=99t read about=20 this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0)
Yy 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es = GL Pete=20 M0FMT IO91UX
From: = Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012,=20 18:40
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi=20 Piotr,

Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i = searched=20 for.
But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR = software=20 is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're=20 referring on usable for both, IQ and mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one = of my SL=20 teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab = i would=20 prefer that i think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi = Stefan,=20 LF
>
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The = primary=20 supporting software for all their sdr  hardware is = Spectravue.
> you=20 can download this program from the rfspace site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult to=20 get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it you = will like=20 it:)
>
> on a "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/  you = will also find=20 a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
> =
> =20 they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver=20 front side
>  It has many many different options - of course, = it does=20 take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather = easy..
>=20
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and easy=20 to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr software = supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of = sdr=20 programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                  =  =20                     =  =20                     =  =20         yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: = Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
>
>=20




 
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Content preview: Hi Stefan, me too 73 Joe [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (df2jp[at]gmx.de) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: LF: AW: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:384959008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fec66ad7d0a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, me too 73 Joe -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Stefan = Sch=E4fer Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Juni 2012 00:33 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC MF, For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that=20 operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX = can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input power=20 must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can be=20 switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output = impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is not so=20 critical, Z=3DR may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The FETs are=20 IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer uses RF litz=20 wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort for optimising=20 the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW QSO or longer calls = at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate)=20 becomes hand warm. The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF power. = The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this = measurement. If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a=20 schematic as a png file. 73, Stefan/DK7FC https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.= JPG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8FC6C380000B5; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 03:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjQKd-0003xn-LB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:37:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjQKc-0003xe-RI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:37:02 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjQKb-0001b5-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:37:01 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsFAFBm6U9cF/ft/2dsb2JhbABFoFADlVSBCIIPBBQBAQNJAiwCCAIBBgEdOQEEGgYkHQECAgEBh36XOKFhkTcDiBaFNpdogl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,476,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="396061151" Received: from host-92-23-247-237.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.247.237]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2012 08:36:59 +0100 Message-ID: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:36:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex working. I have also noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then select the one of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on CW. On FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a black hole, in other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the exact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation value) g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01CD536E.76320530" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:408383648:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fe966f3567d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CD536E.76320530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex working. I have also = noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM = transmitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be = opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then select the one = of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on CW. On = FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a black hole, in = other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the exact bandwidth of the = transmission (same deviation value) g3kev =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CD536E.76320530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and=20 simplex working.  I have also noticed a well modulated AM = transmitter=20 is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM = the RX=20 bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously = then=20 select the one of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same = applies on=20 CW.  On FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into = a black=20 hole, in other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the=20 exact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation = value)
g3kev
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Thanks for your interest in my LF preparations. You are probably thinking about Martin GW3UCJ who was asking recently about getting a Velleman audio amplifier running on LF. I was lucky earlier this year to obtain a Decca 5501 (Many thanks Mal). It is now tuned to 136 kHz thanks to the very helpful and detailed notes posted on the internet by Jim M0BMU, Dave G0MRF and Mike G3XDV. The antenna is an inverted L with one end in a tree 22 m high about 90 metres from my shack with a 13 m mast. Will try to get a neighbours agreement for a 300m loop. For loading, two large clear-plastic “mixing” buckets giving 800 mm height and 300 mm width. I should be able to get 200 turns using a combination of Litz wire (thanks Mal) and Flexweave. Not sure if it will give enough loading or what the variable tuning arrangement will be. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 9e6ac1c683524e7e4b2b202bf15c4cf6 Subject: LF: Re: GW0EZY (reply to DK7FC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4759.B2B17C50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479751136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d012.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4fd51412613c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4759.B2B17C50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan =20 Thanks for your interest in my LF preparations. You are probably = thinking about Martin GW3UCJ who was asking recently about getting a Velleman = audio amplifier running on LF. =20 I was lucky earlier this year to obtain a Decca 5501 (Many thanks Mal). = It is now tuned to 136 kHz thanks to the very helpful and detailed notes = posted on the internet by Jim M0BMU, Dave G0MRF and Mike G3XDV. The antenna is = an inverted L with one end in a tree 22 m high about 90 metres from my = shack with a 13 m mast. Will try to get a neighbours agreement for a 300m = loop. For loading, two large clear-plastic =93mixing=94 buckets giving 800 mm = height and 300 mm width. I should be able to get 200 turns using a combination = of Litz wire (thanks Mal) and Flexweave. Not sure if it will give enough loading or what the variable tuning arrangement will be.=20 =20 A lot of work to do before LF Txing, so it was good to have the 7 MHz = X-Band QSOs this weekend with Mal on 136 and 500 kHz to give me a try at LF = ops. If any other LF op can do X-Band I would like to test and there are = probably other LF listeners who might like to try an X-Band test. If you can do X-Band to 40m or other HF band I=92m sure you would create a lot of = interest as your beacon is probably one of the first amateur signals new LFers = hear. =20 Unfortunately no amateur operation for me today (Sunday) as my XYL = wanted our grass cut between the Welsh rain storms (also missed the openings on = 4 and 6). =20 73 Terry GW0EZY =20 _____ =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 10 June 2012 18:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: GW0EZY =20 Terry Where does the audio amp business come from. DK7FC is always on BEACON = mode, no chance of a QSO there. QSO only via Telephone or email. He cannot hear me although my signal is audible/visible in the USA to = the west and Russia to the East. g3kev =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: LF: GW0EZY =20 Terry,=20 What kind ogf antenna will you use and what is the L of your coil? Will = you start using QRO or will you use the audio amp in the first attempt? The latest LF activities are very encouraging and i think we could go to a positive circle to increase activity on that band. Furthermore you may = be in a very good position to try to leave a signal in Venezuela. The last days there was no chance for me to leave a trace there but now Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and bought some parts for a loop = antenna, so we will go on there very soon! When will you come on air? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 09.06.2012 11:36, schrieb Terry GW0EZY:=20 I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very = rusty!! I see you QSX 7033 for 502 =96 do you do the same for 136?? 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 10:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now Thanks Terry. Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW = where information can be exchanged in a few minutes. Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. = There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong and = both ends have suitable antennas.=20 73 es GL de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry GW0EZY =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !! Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40 To: rsgb Cc: rsgb Subject: LF: 136.5 now LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call de g3kev =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4759.B2B17C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Stefan

 

Thanks for your interest in my LF preparations. You are probably thinking about Martin GW3UCJ who was asking recently about getting a Velleman audio amplifier = running on LF.

 

I was lucky earlier this year to = obtain a Decca 5501 (Many thanks Mal). It is now tuned to 136 kHz thanks to the = very helpful and detailed notes posted on the internet by Jim M0BMU, Dave = G0MRF and Mike G3XDV. The antenna is an inverted L with one end in a tree 22 m = high about 90 metres from my shack with a 13 m mast. Will try to get a neighbours agreement for a 300m loop. For loading, two large clear-plastic “mixing” buckets giving 800 mm height and 300 mm width. I = should be able to get 200 turns using a combination of Litz wire (thanks Mal) and Flexweave. Not sure if it will give enough loading or what the variable = tuning arrangement will be.

 

A lot of work to do before LF = Txing, so it was good to have the 7 MHz X-Band QSOs this weekend with Mal on 136 and = 500 kHz to give me a try at LF ops. If any other LF op can do X-Band I would = like to test and there are probably other LF listeners who might like to try an = X-Band test. If you can do X-Band to 40m or other HF band I’m sure you = would create a lot of interest as your beacon is probably one of the first amateur = signals new LFers hear.

 

Unfortunately no amateur operation = for me today (Sunday) as my XYL wanted our grass cut between the Welsh rain = storms (also missed the openings on 4 and 6).

 

73 Terry = GW0EZY

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 10 June 2012 = 18:38
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: = GW0EZY

 

Terry

Where does the audio amp business come = from. DK7FC is always on BEACON mode, no chance of a QSO there. QSO only via = Telephone or email.

He cannot hear me although my signal is audible/visible in the USA to the west and Russia to the East.

g3kev

 

 

----- Original Message ----- =

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 4:51 PM

Subject: LF: = GW0EZY

 

Terry,

What kind ogf antenna will you use and what is the L of your coil? Will = you start using QRO or will you use the audio amp in the first attempt? The = latest LF activities are very encouraging and i think we could go to a positive = circle to increase activity on that band. Furthermore you may be in a very good position to try to leave a signal in Venezuela.
The last days there was no chance for me to leave a trace there but now = Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and = bought some parts for a loop antenna, so we will go on there very soon!
When will you come on air?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 09.06.2012 11:36, schrieb Terry GW0EZY:

I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. = My CW is very rusty!!

I see you = QSX 7033 for 502 – do you do the same for = 136??

73 = Terry

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 = 10:26
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Subject: LF: Re: RE: = 136.5 now

Thanks Terry.

Join in. I can work at any speed that suits = you. So nice to QSO in CW where information can be exchanged in a few = minutes.

Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode = for communications on LF. There is no need for long winded QRS when the = signals are fairly strong and both ends have suitable antennas. =

73 es GL de = mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Terry GW0EZY =

Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM

Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now

Nice to = copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV = !!

Mal your = RST 589 Mike your RST 579.

73 = Terry

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 = 09:40
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb
Subject: LF: 136.5 = now

LF

Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse = call

de g3kev

 

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4759.B2B17C50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C8D99380000B4; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1PB-00021i-Jp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:23:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1PB-00021Z-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:23:41 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg1P9-0004G7-Ks for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:23:40 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFAG4G3U9cHYIc/2dsb2JhbABFn3IDlV6BCIITFAEBA0kCIQsCCAIBBgEdOQEEGgYcCB0BAgIBAYd+t3SRcwOID4U0l16CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,424,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395086473" Received: from host-92-29-130-28.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.130.28]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 23:23:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01cd4c0e$aa4abbd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:23:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: DK7FC calling CQ but no reply to my call on 502 SAME OLD PROBLEM HE HAS NO EARS on this band either !!!!!!!!!!! de g3kev DK7FC calling CQ but no reply to my call on 502 SAME OLD PROBLEM HE HAS NO EARS on this band either !!!!!!!!!!! [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: LF: 477 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD4C0E.A9C78210" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:296786464:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fdd07a6059b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD4C0E.A9C78210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DK7FC calling CQ but no reply to my call on 502 SAME OLD PROBLEM HE HAS = NO EARS on this band either !!!!!!!!!!! de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD4C0E.A9C78210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DK7FC calling CQ but no reply to my call  = on 502 SAME=20 OLD PROBLEM HE HAS NO EARS on this band either !!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD4C0E.A9C78210-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BE17738000088; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sey3t-0005oK-4b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:37:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sey3s-0005oB-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:37:20 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sey3q-0006oA-8d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:37:19 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.8.23]) by mwinf5d49 with ME id N0dG1j00K0VovFE030dGu3; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 02:37:17 +0200 Message-ID: <416938ABA2424936929BCD1EAFA83FD9@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FD91315.3070102@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FD91315.3070102@kpnmail.nl> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:37:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120613-0, 13/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok jan, That's very good , 40 watts to RN3AGC , 22-21 seems to be the time to try ! G.. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:24 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460925184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fd932915e95 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Ok jan, That's very good , 40 watts to RN3AGC , 22-21 seems to be the time to try ! G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "pa3abk" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:24 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:24 > > > Could reach him once, just taking the chance of positive propagation wave. > Albert managed to pre-heat the duct towards Moscow having -15dB. > Mostly I differ 6-10dB with his signal. > The last sequence PA0A slowly disappeared on my end, had to give him 1dB, > normally he is 6. > > 22:21 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -17 dB in Moscow > 22:16 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -23 dB in Moscow > 22:07 500 PA3ABK de RN3AGC Op4 2178 km -28 dB in Moscow with 40w + > L-ant 35m+wat > 22:02 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 -15 dB in Moscow > 21:53 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -29 dB in Moscow > 21:40 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -28 dB in Moscow > 21:13 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -24 dB in Moscow > 21:06 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -32 dB in Moscow > > Jan/pa3abk > > > > > > On 14-6-2012 0:04, Graham wrote: >> What s/n levels ? >> G.. >> Txmtr Rcvr >> Band >> Mode >> Distance >> Time (UTC) >> >> PA0A RN3AGC >> 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:24 >> PA3ABK PA3ABK >> 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:45:31 >> PA0LPN PA0LPN >> 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:05 >> > > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B5D0B3800009B; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh60c-0006Ee-Nl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:30:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh60c-0006EV-8K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:30:46 +0100 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh60a-0006XD-CI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:30:45 +0100 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=D8PF24tj c=1 sm=0 a=M7r3sPlUCYIwdz/9+93PXw==:17 a=r-ZO7jH4oiAA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=NoAKp6exAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4AaLRt_ha3d4bikzfeEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B0cvAcWxpcAA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=M7r3sPlUCYIwdz/9+93PXw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.84.49.204 Received: from [76.84.49.204] ([76.84.49.204:2493] helo=atom1) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1B/36-13336-18FE0EF4; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:30:42 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Ron Kolarik" To: , References: <20120619.120722.1661.612898@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:29:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: If you're lucky they're dead, otherwise your day could get as bad as what the snake is having......been there. Ron K0IDT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [71.74.56.122 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436152064:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fe0efba2584 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none If you're lucky they're dead, otherwise your day could get as bad as what the snake is having......been there. Ron K0IDT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 > > > > Sometimes there are dead snake heads sticking out ?? > > Bob K3DJC > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:35:59 -0400 Dexter McIntyre W4DEX > writes: >> mal hamilton wrote: >> > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST >> > >> Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. Hay >> >> bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have loaded >> hay >> bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for live >> snake >> heads sticking out of the bales :) >> >> Dex >> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 24E68380000A0; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYTd-00047d-Qq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:41:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYTd-00047U-EB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:41:49 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbYTb-00073P-Qa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:41:48 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q54EfkQi031655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:41:46 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q54EfjMR027923 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:41:45 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCCC8CF.5080503@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:40:15 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q54EfkQi031655 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Clive, LF, Well, maybe this is an equitable idea. I also noticed that many of those who are not (at all) enganged in LF activity put out the loudest shouts to shut down the blacksheep reflector! 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: LF: 2 groups Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1474fccc96f65a6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Clive, LF, Well, maybe this is an equitable idea. I also noticed that many of those=20 who are not (at all) enganged in LF activity put out the loudest shouts=20 to shut down the blacksheep reflector! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 09:04, schrieb Clive Lorton: > Gentlemen, > > I=92m beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. Black= sheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo for tec= hnical discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be archived a= nd design/construction projects can make full use of the search function = and files section of Yahoo. > > Just my two pence worth=85=85.. > > Clive g8poc > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 50A4B380000A7; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShhGA-0007tz-Js for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:17:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShhGA-0007tq-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:17:18 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShhG5-0006ig-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:17:17 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews26.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.192]) by cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:17:11 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.19]) by cpsps-ews26.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:17:11 +0200 Received: from none092f49232b ([84.82.63.22]) by CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:17:11 +0200 Message-ID: From: "L v Erck" To: References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:17:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2012 13:17:11.0177 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AA2E790:01CD4FB0] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Danke Tom für Info 472-429 kHz. Aber... man sagt NICHTS von den Modi die man gebrauchen darf... 73 Louis/PAoLCE ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK1IS" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.15 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 1.5 TVD_FINGER_02 TVD_FINGER_02 X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: LF: Re: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:463398624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fe31f150e72 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Danke Tom fr Info 472-429 kHz. Aber... man sagt NICHTS von den Modi die man gebrauchen darf... 73 Louis/PAoLCE ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK1IS" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Dear group, to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the MF-allocation in Germany which I´ve got today via email from our authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). 73 and cul on MF! Tom, DK1IS JN59WK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F0F78380000B9; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 07:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfrRJ-0005kr-0j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:45:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfrRI-0005ki-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:45:12 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfrRG-0001eP-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:45:11 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai4FAFxx3E8CYr18/2dsb2JhbABFgkWDEpoekzKCK4EID4IJAQEFCBsmDQIGCR0BBAUDAxEDAQEBCiECAjMGFggGEwgJh2wDD6YoiGALiVCKVmKDIIIJMmADjUOSYIR+gmE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,422,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395028691" Received: from host-2-98-189-124.as13285.net (HELO TraceyPC) ([2.98.189.124]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 12:44:52 +0100 Message-ID: <882AFE4ED32C4522A58877959BFF0117@TraceyPC> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> <1339767393.38173.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <6127C0D605D3463B803A5D57D87FEC56@AGB> In-Reply-To: <6127C0D605D3463B803A5D57D87FEC56@AGB> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:44:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: If you're talking about spot on 477kHz there are four NDB carriers nominally on that frequency. 73s Tracey ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b2000330e4064ca60a9f57e731b892da Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0590_01CD4BBD.D008EB40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464602624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84fdc71f0025a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0590_01CD4BBD.D008EB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you're talking about spot on 477kHz there are four NDB carriers = nominally on that frequency. 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Up to now , 477 is the only frequency on offer ? G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? I'd go with that Albert. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Albert To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5072 - Release Date: = 06/15/12 ------=_NextPart_000_0590_01CD4BBD.D008EB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
If you're talking about spot on 477kHz there are four NDB carriers=20 nominally on that frequency.
 
73s Tracey
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 12:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera = QRG for=20 472 Khz Band ??

Up to now , 477 is the  only  frequency   on = offer=20 ?
 
G.

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

I'd go with that Albert.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Albert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, 15 = June 2012,=20 10:54
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

G,

Just = to start=20 the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz.

73,=20 Albert





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Content preview: Hi again Stefan  The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel :@(( Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be stranded up to make a synth?  73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d5ac66e7920295f519efeb68ecc59e6f Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-506020663-1340876781=:29716" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:468112032:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d017.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54fec28323c1b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-506020663-1340876781=:29716 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi again Stefan=0A=C2=A0=0AThe Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel....= ...... :@((=0A=0ADo you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that c= ould be stranded up to make a synth?=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91= UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: M0FMT =0ATo: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =0A= Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA r= unning at 12 VDC=0A =0A=0AHi Stefan=0Ahttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Tr= ansistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/160818253496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_= Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8=0AJust over =C2=A35 a pop!=0Ahttp://www.e= bay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-= B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326077=0AJust over = =C2=A36 a pop!=0ABut what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0)=0AChees Pete FMT=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: Jean= -Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org =0ASent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 k= Hz PA running at 12 VDC=0A=0A=0A=0AHello Stephan ,=0AMe too =0A73=C2=A0 , J= ean-Pierre F1AFJ=C2=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0ALe 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3=A9cr= it=C2=A0:=0A =0AHi Stephan =0A>=0A>Me Too=0A>=0A> =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT I= O91UX=0A>=0A>From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org=0A>To: rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12=0A>Subject: LF: = Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>like =0A>=0A>----- O= riginal Message ----- =0A>>From: Rik Strobbe =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM =0A>>Subject: LF: RE:= 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>If=C2=A0someone is=C2=A0inter= ested i=C2=A0may=C2=A0convert the circuit=C2=A0from=C2=A0my=C2=A0mind=C2=A0= into a schematic as a=C2=A0png file. =0A>>=0A>>Always=C2=A0interested ;-) = =0A>>=0A>>73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0ON7YD - OR7T =0A>=0A> ---1613889061-506020663-1340876781=:29716 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi again Stefan
 
The Litz is too, only by = the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@((
 
Do you= create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be stranded up to = make a synth?

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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= From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org>
Sent:= Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22
Su= bject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
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=0A=0AHi Stefan=
=0A= =0AJust over =C2=A35 a pop!<= /font>
=0A=0AJust over =C2=A3= 6 a pop!
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To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE:= 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

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---1613889061-506020663-1340876781=:29716-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 261B638000084; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBTz-0008Ii-7t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:08:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBTy-0008IZ-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:08:38 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbBTx-0001eq-AR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:08:37 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AisCAChvy09OlnGb/2dsb2JhbAANN7BRhnABAQEBAgF+CwsEAQQPCRYPCQMCAQIBRRMIAQGIArVZixGCeoMWA5Ubklc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="37001705" Received: from host-78-150-113-155.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.2.7]) ([78.150.113.155]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 03 Jun 2012 15:08:36 +0100 Message-ID: <4FCB6FE3.8050903@psk31.plus.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:08:35 +0100 From: g3zjo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCB4FAE.5070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCB605D.9000308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCB605D.9000308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 03/06/2012 14:02, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > Roger, > > I didn't expect that you try to understand me. At least i hope that > you (and John) don't ignore that here are many others who Stefan I am sure Roger did try, and I did too, I normally understand you, this time I don't. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 9d01e9df836df8dd3868645661e1c1f7 Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040608030108010509030207" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:458856704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4fcb70137f54 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040608030108010509030207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 03/06/2012 14:02, Stefan Schfer wrote: > Roger, > > I didn't expect that you try to understand me. At least i hope that > you (and John) don't ignore that here are many others who Stefan I am sure Roger did try, and I did too, I normally understand you, this time I don't. > There are also XYLs that can do SO MUCH MORE. Would you change? > You bring in some very odd arguments. I don't expect my XYL to boil my dinner in a large pot on a wood fire outside, or hand wash clothes down in the river, I bought her a washing machine to provide modern facilities to help her, this is not throwing her away or changing her, just the facilities.. Eddie --------------040608030108010509030207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 14:02, Stefan Schäfer wrote:
Roger,

I didn't expect that you try to understand me. At least i hope that you (and John) don't ignore that here are many others who

Stefan I am sure Roger did try, and I did too, I normally understand you, this time I don't.

There are also XYLs that can do SO MUCH MORE. Would you change?

You bring in some very odd arguments. I don't expect my XYL to boil my dinner in a large pot on a wood fire outside, or hand wash clothes down in the river, I bought her a washing machine to provide modern facilities to help her, this is not throwing her away or changing her, just the facilities..

Eddie
--------------040608030108010509030207-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B92AB3800008A; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShIJA-0001mb-7s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:38:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShIJ9-0001mS-Nq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:38:43 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShIJ8-0001to-0F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:38:42 +0100 Received: from [10.151.149.115] ([109.144.215.255]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LjcUK-1SA9Pb2U0W-00c8zC; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:38:41 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Clive Lorton X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <003d01cd4eb7$1b167250$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:38:34 +0100 Message-Id: <0682CC7B-50CB-47F9-8600-373245E572B3@thelortons.co.uk> References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <001301cd4e5b$49a430a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE10D99.2030003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003d01cd4eb7$1b167250$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:VIM7kBoOXrcClif7zczIRDFghczBcACc9P6yGgRKciB Ljh+TNB7TAmhqso7kuDathB0YC+i2UGJbi/sVnHxsE/muBXPJD nL+/YiQdX2Vu1IcZ+rkezJxqX3OnNcyHHIbm0E7dmJWZswUMkL EbyurQ6RSjogNqAXTpBuIKM0HuW9ceQ7rV90nlFGI7ncYGkVsL vhpMcHyddy9X+0ST++KMav++9NeOTKya3Tr0KuH6pyWXhI4cBX 3YQu2sjgveQYLMKJWE6QGxZLRzZ8xHHnI15bHcPPHZR4Oyl8JA Nx/pz4nNPVpCpQgEmIpSPjWloqkvco1t3vcRngmVQHXYLOfhJf Xw0PosPvyuJxE5mP1EBI5nxENM9fIBH6wppZd+MKqUSJPq777h 3c+upHzbxEg0ffhZ2nLJdVe+u8u+2OMK+A= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Mal, It was my understanding that you only got a invite to your BBQ by a QSO. :-) Clive g8poc [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3efbf4053c1a70bbeb6c0a0cc657f05e Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_119E5051-D387-48F3-860A-7FB0F801E117" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:392426656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40924fe1a8607021 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail=_119E5051-D387-48F3-860A-7FB0F801E117 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mal, It was my understanding that you only got a invite to your BBQ by a QSO. = :-) Clive g8poc On 20 Jun 2012, at 08:34, mal hamilton wrote: > Yes Stefan > Invitation to BBQ at G3KEV QTH------------- Bring your own BUFFALO = ----------I will supply the HAY > =20 > mal/g3kev > =20 > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:39 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 >=20 >=20 > Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton: >>=20 >> Stefan >> You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW. >> HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is = what they sleep on as a bed. >> ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left = with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus = other things. >=20 >> Move to the countryside for quality of life > Oh is this an invitation? :-) > All the reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would = have enough area for us all. Which day do you suggest. >=20 > And please can we get a tutorial how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, = i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-) >=20 > de dk7fc >=20 >=20 >> for example at a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in the = city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe the tail >> In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ tripe, black sausage = and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be = prepared!! >> Meanwhile back to MF es LF, I am now CQ on 502 but search the band = and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum >> =20 >> de g3kev >> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_119E5051-D387-48F3-860A-7FB0F801E117 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Yes = Stefan
Invitation to BBQ at G3KEV = QTH------------- Bring your own BUFFALO ----------I will supply the = HAY
 
mal/g3kev
 
 
 
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Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal = hamilton:
Stefan
You city folks are getting confused between HAY and = STRAW.
HAY is what animals EAT, =  mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is what they sleep on = as a bed.
ie Corn straw, barley = straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left with after Thrashing to = remove the seed to make flour for example plus other = things.

Move to the countryside for = quality of life
Oh is this an invitation? = :-)
All the reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You = would have enough area for us all. Which day do you suggest.

And = please can we get a tutorial how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, i.e. = a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-)

de dk7fc


for example at a BBQ country = folks roast a whole steer whereas in the city/town you have to settle = for a sausage and maybe the tail
In = Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ  tripe, black sausage = and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be = prepared!!
Meanwhile back to MF es = LF,  I am now CQ on 502 but search the band and 136.5 also QSX es = srch the 475 Khz spectrum
 
de = g3kev
 
 



= --Apple-Mail=_119E5051-D387-48F3-860A-7FB0F801E117-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5662E380000BF; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShRuU-0004bh-Tr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:53:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShRuU-0004bY-Di for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:53:54 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShRuS-0006VA-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:53:53 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: B476A128044.AE119 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-1e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.33]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B476A128044 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:53:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B50BD4042 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:53:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::a470:76b3:406d:2b1a%27]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:53:41 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: RE: Test signal needed Thread-Index: AQHNTm2qQZOgOTnwJESB0XzNInVbIJcCvQ8XgACQ+ACAAGIrNg== Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:53:40 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB1DE5@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be>,<4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB1C6F@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be>,<4FE201B2.6030102@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE201B2.6030102@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.14] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hi Stefan, a step attenuator may be a good solution in order to adjust the signal levels deênding on QRM / QRN / signal. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 20fb97b64762a0bd80c12a4b2f6724b0 Subject: RE: LF: RE: Test signal needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497934144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fe2389b24fd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, a step attenuator may be a good solution in order to adjust the signal leve= ls de=EAnding on QRM / QRN / signal. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: woensdag 20 juni 2012 19:00 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: Test signal needed Hi Rik, Am 20.06.2012 08:28, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > About the TX antenna used as RX antenna: that often works fine if you do = not overload the RX (BC at 525kHz+). I always use the 20dB attenuator of my= good old TS440 to RX on my 11m high / 25m ling Lazy-L antenna. Well, didn't measured yet but i think the transmit antenna is very selective too. Anyway the signal levels may be to high in the near BC region. I've checked the filter curves in my small active antennas. Both, the ferrite and the E field antenna are resonated, the E field antenna uses a L to ground in front of the first gate. These are the curves: Active ferrite antenna: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/MFferrite.png Active E field antenna: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/MFactiveE.png The main aspect is to filter DLF at 153 kHz which causes much trouble here... Also my receiver is selective it selfe. As i said, 500 kHz is already 30 dB down... > As long as the band noise is above the RX noise you won't loose any sen= sititity. > That's clear. But "band noise" is not so easy to find here. It's always the question what the man made noise part is. However this seems to be less critical on MF than on LF, as others already said.. 73, tnx, cu Stefan/DK7FC > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: woensdag 20 juni 2012 0:44 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: Test signal needed > > Rik, MF, > > Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much > better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. Maybe > you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? > > It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that > many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops that > were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. > > I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test > signals from amateurs. > > 73, Stefan > > Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > >> actually 501.2kHz. >> Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. >> You are 579 with the usual QSB. >> I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared E= RP abt 1W. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD >> >> ________________________________________ >> Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] >> Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 >> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW >> >> Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse >> Jan/pa3abk >> >> On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> >> >>> just in case someone wants... >>> I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it >> >>= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ABB783800009D; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 08:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbA7X-00072X-4u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:41:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbA7W-00072O-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:41:22 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbA7V-0001DZ-8h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:41:21 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120603124120.GADW4604.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:41:20 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120603124120.QYHW23925.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:41:20 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:41:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4FCB6979.16782.CAC7BE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=U0ykz8pLPa3IpxLRZggA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I am puzzled by those few who are against the change-over to Yahoo. Once you have joined and set your option to "e-mail only", you never need to visit the Yahoo site again and the emails from Yahoo are virtually the same as those from this reflector. How does the change affect the user? 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Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 010B7380000BD; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3Ck-0000kO-Lo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:42:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3Ck-0000kF-9m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:42:34 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd3Ci-0000QJ-Jr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:42:33 +0100 Received: from [10.0.0.175] (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q58HgPrj054814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:42:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4FD23981.9020104@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:42:25 +0200 From: Albert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301cd458c$d9c61db0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FD2274D.2080008@xs4all.nl> <000701cd459a$f8fdb8b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000701cd459a$f8fdb8b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mal, Up to abt. 700 km it is no problem in the CW QSO mode but for stations like IK1WVQ 1024km, RA3TTS 2523km, RN3AGC 2019km, UA1AVA 1640km and others over 1000km OPERA or WSPR is the only convenient way to gather some reports and create summer time DX-activity. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: ddae800c6581715278ab3184b42d46db Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:322376512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf4fd239ce1b1c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Mal, Up to abt. 700 km it is no problem in the CW QSO mode but for stations like IK1WVQ 1024km, RA3TTS 2523km, RN3AGC 2019km, UA1AVA 1640km and others over 1000km OPERA or WSPR is the only convenient way to gather some reports and create summer time DX-activity. 73, Albert PA0A From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DDBC83800008C; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfzg7-0000pJ-Uj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:33:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfzg7-0000pA-Hf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:33:03 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfzg5-0003lE-ST for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:33:02 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.185]) by cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:33:01 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.28]) by cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:33:01 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:33:00 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCED7C.3040200@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:33:00 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <79A6EC5BC7054A26A50E518F45583A7A@AGB> In-Reply-To: <79A6EC5BC7054A26A50E518F45583A7A@AGB> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2012 20:33:01.0027 (UTC) FILETIME=[39189B30:01CD4BFF] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: NL may up to 505kHz :-) But with 20dB less reception it becomes difficult. :-( His sigs are increasing at the moment, but still on the noise floor. Have a good trace on SpecLab. Opera certified :-) Jan/pa3abk [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: a6b6ffaf48fdddf1ed5c25dc4bf03ee1 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464117600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064fdcedb22859 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none NL may up to 505kHz :-) But with 20dB less reception it becomes difficult. :-( His sigs are increasing at the moment, but still on the noise floor. Have a good trace on SpecLab. Opera certified :-) Jan/pa3abk On 16-6-2012 22:18, Graham wrote: > 505 ?? > This is out side the UK /EU band 501 > 504 ....... 502 or > 502.5 is a good Rx qrg ? > G.. > > *From:* Stefan Schfer > *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:01 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: CW on 477.5 kHz > > MF, > > Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter > in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the > input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much > better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still > not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. > > My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look > for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters > in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... 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Content preview: Hi Graham Is there a dial frequency for Opera on the new 500kc/s allocation? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 22:49 Subject: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.70 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 721d7dc475d7c3cfbcd8369093416177 Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-645768454-1339713343=:26292" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:448582272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d306.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4fda67807438 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-645768454-1339713343=:26292 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham=0A=A0=0AIs there a dial frequency for Opera on the new 500kc/s al= location?=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_________________________= _______=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 22:49=0ASubject: LF: Opera 500K= hz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR =0A =0A =0AOpera=A0 500Khz monitors=A0 R= N3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR=A0 =0A=0AGood chance of=A0 a=A0 RA=A0 decode=A0 ? =0A= =0AG. =0A=0A=0ATxmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time=A0(UTC) =0APA0A RN= 3AGC 600m OPERA 2020=A0kms 21:40:44 =0APA0A G0KTN 600m OPERA 623= =A0kms 21:40:52 =0APA3ABK G0KTN 600m OPERA 491=A0kms 18:53:57 =0APA= 0A G3XDV 600m OPERA 465=A0kms 21:40:53 =0APA3ABK G3XDV 600m OPERA = 337=A0kms 18:53:58 =0APA0A PA3ABK 600m OPERA 186=A0kms 21:40:51 = =0APA0A PA0LPN 600m OPERA 140=A0kms 20:41:39 =0APA3ABK PA0LPN 600m = OPERA 71=A0kms 18:53:57 =0APA3ABK PA0LCE 600m OPERA 54=A0kms 18:53= :58 =0APA0A PA0A 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 21:41:35 =0ARA3TTS RA3TTS 600m= OPERA 0=A0kms 21:26:45 =0APA0BIE PA0BIE 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 19:15:= 09 =0APA0LCE PA0LCE 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 19:38:51 =0AM0FMT M0FMT 600= m OPERA 0=A0kms 20:44:28 =0ARX3DHR RX3DHR 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 21:40= :29 =0APA3ABK PA3ABK 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 21:39:02 =0ARN3AGC RN3AGC = 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 21:38:55 =0AG3XDV G3XDV 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 21:3= 7:32 =0APA0LPN PA0LPN 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 21:26:38 ---176341844-645768454-1339713343=:26292 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham
 
Is there a dial frequency for O= pera on the new 500kc/s allocation?
 
73 es= GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.u= k>
To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 22:49
Subject: = LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR
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PA3ABKG0KTN600mOPERA491 kms18:53:57
PA0AG3XDV600mOPERA465 kms21:40:53
PA3ABKG3XDV=0A 600mOPERA337 kms18:53:58
PA0A600mOPERA21:40:51
PA0APA0LPN600mOPERA140 kms20:41:39
PA3ABKPA0LPN=0A 600mOPERA71 kms18:53:57
PA3ABKPA0LCE600mOPERA54 kms18:53:58
PA0APA0A600mOPERA0 kms21:41:35
RA3TTSRA3TTS= 600mOPERA0 kms21:26:45
PA0BIEPA0BIE600mOPERA0 kms19:15:09
PA0LCEPA0LCE600mOPERA0 kms19:38:51
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PA3ABK= PA3ABK600mOPERA0 kms21:39:02
RN3AGCRN3AGC= 600mOPERA0 kms21:38:55
G3XDVG3XDV600mOPERA0 kms21:37:32
PA0LPN= PA0LPN600mOPERA0 kms21:26:38
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= ---176341844-645768454-1339713343=:26292-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 13B8E38000108; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfJBg-0000Eh-1F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:10:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfJBf-0000EX-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:10:47 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfJBd-000308-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:10:46 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5ENAh1Z015624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:10:44 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5ENAhZK028595 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:10:43 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDA6F0F.3080104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:09:03 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5ENAh1Z015624 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jay, LF, This night i will continue with LF transmissions, same procedure. So far the conds in EU and to 4X are excellent! Maybe we can make it this night to W1... 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: fb3e28a759dea7e01d34d3fe7de7ae98 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:467504544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d94fda6fc206de X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jay, LF, This night i will continue with LF transmissions, same procedure. So far the conds in EU and to 4X are excellent! Maybe we can make it this night to W1... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 12.06.2012 14:10, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > Hi Jay, > > We still have no success in Jnue so if we want to get a full call=20 > detection in each month we have to find a suitable days soon. > > Well, all right about the DST stuff. However you know i simply like=20 > transmitting so i usually do not care about the condx. From time to=20 > time there is a surprise een in "bad" conds. Like yesterday! 4X1RF=20 > temporary started his grabber in Haifa and to my surprise we got very=20 > good results over that 2850km distance. About 25 dB S/N, see=20 > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Juni2012.jpg > Sure, crossing the pond is another story. Let's do it in the coming=20 > days :-) > > BTW what about your TX? Are you ready for a transmission? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 12.06.2012 12:12, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: >> Sefan >> >> Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at=20 >> 'disturbed' levels it is unlikely that I would have had reception of=20 >> your signals. It might be a good idea to check=20 >> http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html for=20 >> the DST levels before an overnight T/A attempt. Generally speaking,=20 >> condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or better for a=20 >> couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th or 10th would=20 >> have been better T/A nights. The big dip starting on the 10th is a=20 >> problem. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 >> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:09 PM >> Subject: LF: Beacon to the west >> >> >>> LF, >>> >>> Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night.=20 >>> The TX is already on air... >>> >>> In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it=20 >>> may be a bit difficult to become visible in TA. But who knows... >>> >>> At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for=20 >>> distances below 3000 km. Probably because the area in darkness is=20 >>> small on the northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away is=20 >>> attenuated. So the distances within the first hop range may be a bit=20 >>> lower than in winther but maybe the noise is even lower so S/N=20 >>> improvement of some dB results. >>> At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done=20 >>> many tests and the radiated signal was even 3 dB stronger than a few=20 >>> days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm thinking different=20 >>> about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! >>> >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 72143380000F0; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si6oh-0006qy-Tn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:34:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si6oh-0006qp-Gd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:34:39 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6of-0007uC-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:34:38 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p4FD17106.dip.t-dialin.net [79.209.113.6]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MBSfG-1SYmtO1bEs-00AW6E; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:34:36 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE49E9C.4000306@legal-medicine.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:34:36 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340375757.35583.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340375757.35583.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:4KRkOH+/04+kk422gGEqLujLoXJqcTGZPKTvLv24Crv Ez+yar6iHmgX3oa0R7zfJlzgmLaxHpEyiqOkuzMyJP+eaNMAtB iMz6osUMtMbGmTWNftwXbMyDsR4loDnsnpleKZOE0Xt9CP9CrA v3KmCM5YblCJbNvcyM0SwAWZgPFSP/6JicC04yl4RAlN91QhUB j/p9orUj+Q1K+qD7KUIbDLA1IoUbUd+ze5Ue6/vgpS2wOY3zOc XoixuN27MJfkCHdDhxtaqv7M4oJBpdkkUHWzAIuRWNHXs+5ri8 zqJc5RG55f9kxdC9/GFcU95x7wi86oQw0tTqAGUTZUzSapx+Hz 18clCmpBl1lR65OaEQiM= X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Daniele, You wrote: > ... As for the BD139, I didn't even suspect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good for power stages... > Yes, it's the low Rbb what matters. See: http://www.janascard.cz/PDF/Design%20of%20ultra%20low%20noise%20amplifiers.pdf [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:434094304:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914fe49ed17800 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Daniele, You wrote: > ... As for the BD139, I didn't even suspect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good for power stages... > Yes, it's the low Rbb what matters. See: http://www.janascard.cz/PDF/Design%20of%20ultra%20low%20noise%20amplifiers.pdf And for ferrite loops I would recommend the antenna section of those doctoral thesis available there: www.vhl.tudelft.nl/pelgrum/DissertationPelgrum.tcl I'm running a "counter wound" ferrite loop along with 3 x BC550 in parallel since many years. Another option could be using an instrumentation amplifier with low noise at low input impedance like INA217 (G=100 up to 800 kHz). So you don't need any kind of push-pull amplifier or balancing input transformator. See: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ina217.pdf BTW: even that old low noise version of the video amplifier NE592 works fine. It's called "TL592". Since it's input impedance is not very low using somewhat higher inductance is recommended (~2-5 mH). 73, Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 147F8380000B6; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdSAB-0000mS-0a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:21:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdSA6-0000mJ-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:21:30 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdSA4-0005xZ-Dm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:21:29 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.197] (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.14.177]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MHvkv-1SgUZ817KX-003bQ8; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 22:21:27 +0200 References: <000901cd4658$29338100$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FD37A2D.8080606@legal-medicine.de> <003501cd4665$cb552ad0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <003501cd4665$cb552ad0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:21:26 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:8sPy6R1tN8mqQFJU/mAwABDMopk45FtMxuGozsb0WQI X2ihfXBI+R95y6fmghufFQXrWKdjsCK6kbsMHBHTboh1kehjfT rt8LnW6XITeGi5NyyBdrlOCQ1m9HNtpsoEBjU9E2lfZrLH8bWA AjBf0v96MpWps11zfc00NDcnYznHdcVgRZr2tPUxpbk7KoJoM8 bANgMHCdyoHgKYVaxjggiDM3DEhRKEK0bpy8bmbiQ4d4kvKvfR ocm6rsrADthKvejHC16bNUOAYg4Ja7zMSY/rKfS6dWF8LeBN2w CbYKM33JOnhIA82IDTscH+dl8PEEf80J8TSx/JhGgHRT3VKfvx +myogZai22f+aH68vLBoPyIpvJY4Zmf3aXAs4WJKS X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ... the answer is 42! On 09.06.2012, at 19:32, "mal hamilton" wrote: > I know what u mean. Does anyone else????? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pws" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:30 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 > > >> Oh Mal, >> >> You wrote: >>> ... >>> Mk2 version already in service will appear soon >>> ... >> >> End of World is nigh. >> O.K., nice to meet you all >> and thanks for the fish! >> >> Peter, df3lp >> > > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493786880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194fd3b0a9793c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ... the answer is 42! 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Does anyone else????? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pws" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:30 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 > > >> Oh Mal, >> >> You wrote: >>> ... >>> Mk2 version already in service will appear soon >>> ... >> >> End of World is nigh. >> O.K., nice to meet you all >> and thanks for the fish! >> >> Peter, df3lp >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AFEC938000089; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfSmp-0001UL-2B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:25:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfSmo-0001UC-H5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:25:46 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfSmm-0005FY-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:25:45 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: D3A581380FF.A2D5F X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-1e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.33]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A581380FF for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:25:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB2.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub2.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D082E4040 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:25:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB2.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::8559:ca7c:e195:e15d%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:25:35 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? 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Content preview: Either the upper or lower band end ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 2:17 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 0b36c952c26be93e626fe2fa1c93657f Subject: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Subject: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50CICTSSMBX5lunaku_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:281478272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fdafff0080f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50CICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Either the upper or lower band end ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 2:17 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? New QRG for 472 Khz Band??? Suggestions needed for a QRG for the new 472 KHz band Dial set USB frequency , taking into account other band users ! Tnx - G --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50CICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Either the upper&nb= sp;or lower band end ?

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk]<= br> Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 2:17
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

New QRG for 472 Khz Band???

Suggestions needed for a QRG for the new 472 KHz band

Dial set USB frequency , taking into account other band users !

Tnx - G
--_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50CICTSSMBX5lunaku_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E351E38000218; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkCIG-0005T9-GB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:49:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkCIG-0005T0-29 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:49:48 +0100 Received: from mailout04.t-online.de ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkCID-0000lF-P9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:49:46 +0100 Received: from fwd17.aul.t-online.de (fwd17.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1SkCIB-0001WD-UF; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:49:43 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (VrqQ64ZpYh9+K3YvOgt+kBE6maQcek3MxT8Q6vo+2p8Vrurjwud0d0JvshWddjNwX2@[84.147.160.54]) by fwd17.t-online.de with esmtp id 1SkCIA-1fN0sq0; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:49:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4BD17701F151495BA7CD01DADE94B67A@standard9dmup1> From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:49:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: VrqQ64ZpYh9+K3YvOgt+kBE6maQcek3MxT8Q6vo+2p8Vrurjwud0d0JvshWddjNwX2 X-TOI-MSGID: 858b71d0-9c9f-4070-845d-a0430ac2bafc X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Stefan, me too, pse. 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:33 AM Subject: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.18 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: LF: Re: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:480027648:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fec36fe7b76 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, me too, pse. 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:33 AM Subject: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > MF, > > For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that operates > at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX can be > used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input power must not > exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can be switched in 2 > steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output impedance and > input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is not so critical, Z=R may > be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The FETs are IRFZ48N types, the > driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer uses RF litz wire, 30x0.1mm > diameter. I didn't spend to much effort for optimising the efficiency, not > at this power level. During a CW QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF power the > heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm. > The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF power. > The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this measurement. > > If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a > schematic as a png file. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CDA2738000094; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SitWr-0007pg-6x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:35:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SitWq-0007pX-HO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:35:28 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SitWo-0003Kr-Ts for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:35:27 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.13.136]) by mwinf5d68 with ME id SLbQ1j0032w7QSi03LbQiC; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:35:25 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <000901cd522f$a0b3f060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:35:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120624-0, 24/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: And Fletcher Christians family are on the deeds of my house as the first owners , must of moved from the Isle of Man in the 1930's G.. ''See above pic Road to Paradise'' , is the the spiritual version at ground zero ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1464fe77a6b61bc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none And Fletcher Christians family are on the deeds of my house as the first owners , must of moved from the Isle of Man in the 1930's G.. ''See above pic Road to Paradise'' , is the the spiritual version at ground zero ? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Ziegler" Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:49 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 > OK going even further OT John Pitcairn (father of Robert Pitcairn, of > the eponymous islands) is buried in the crypt beneath my Church > (Christ Church in the City of Boston, otherwise known as Old North > Church). > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 1:34 PM, mal hamilton > wrote: >> Graham >> Reference Pitcairn Is. >> I spent some time around these Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spent >> Christmas on Christmas Island 1958 >> See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and >> all >> that !! especially South Hotel St >> I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 >> metres. >> I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. >> Daytime very quiet. >> g3kev >> >> >> > > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B5B03800008B; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiuV2-0007zA-Jr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:37:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiuV1-0007z1-RB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:37:39 +0100 Received: from mail-ee0-f43.google.com ([74.125.83.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiuUz-0003WX-G0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:37:38 +0100 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50so1788307eek.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index :x-gm-message-state; bh=qZYttk0ibPb1yL2Xt7DA78ojNIHrKeO76HK81gtav1A=; b=IRBSwKoTPEtUapWrDLaKSxqrUKejHJg43R8dPjmecjDGG0caa0syNCV1qdBhmYu+EB r3MrZM0KtYA2SW6O09/uPE0fP8QVAWdjZ0Xs17kyxZIaMnVlAdEK6Ug8wuXev8MjZ9tA zUhcwQwUYdiScdAapahI0F6q0OHHItg2f7UQYb8NRYuCMbMoRwZBr0WkQliRmaMpPjl3 2GsBSeb24JIt8sfp9Uf/QU2SUtAuxPWxTUwu9IV+bSTW/ATaYCx7ILee2usrwqIWT3So DZ1zRj2WeDBRoj78vqBAYb11nl+eGqIx7QoLf4c+Ej4Um9V26fsAl9njS9/4UBtJIYgS A/0w== Received: by 10.14.45.77 with SMTP id o53mr1946068eeb.36.1340573856270; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.45.77 with SMTP id o53mr1946060eeb.36.1340573855992; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from intelp4 (host81-132-147-172.range81-132.btcentralplus.com. 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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal That was around the time of the British hydrogen bomb tests on Christmas Island. Were you present? If so what effect on LF/HF?? 73 Terry [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.83.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e7c02b6e85723bae4746298f7f529717 Subject: LF: RE: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD5259.F31A5A90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:386523104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d248.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564fe788ea700e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD5259.F31A5A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal That was around the time of the British hydrogen bomb tests on Christmas Island. Were you present? If so what effect on LF/HF?? 73 Terry _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 24 June 2012 18:35 To: rsgb Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Graham Reference Pitcairn Is. I spent some time around these Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spent Christmas on Christmas Island 1958 See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and all that !! especially South Hotel St I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 metres. I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. Daytime very quiet. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD5259.F31A5A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mal

 

That was around the time of the = British hydrogen bomb tests on Christmas Island. Were = you present? If so what effect on LF/HF??

 

73 = Terry

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 24 June 2012 = 18:35
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005

 

    = Graham

Reference Pitcairn Is.

I spent some time around these Islands in = the Pacific, in fact I spent Christmas on Christmas = Island 1958

See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and all that !! especially South Hotel = St

I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 metres.

I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu = 1200 miles away. Daytime very quiet.

g3kev

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD5259.F31A5A90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D2259380000F4; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjfX7-0007zw-JN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:50:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjfX7-0007zn-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:50:57 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews07.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.10]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjfX4-0001GS-Qg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:50:56 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews05.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.172]) by cpsmtpb-ews07.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:50:54 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-TLF103.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.6]) by cpsps-ews05.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:50:54 +0200 Received: from Extensa ([195.241.183.120]) by CPSMTPM-TLF103.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:50:53 +0200 Message-ID: <73FF50BD5D954A0DBFE245FFD16B2B09@Extensa> From: "PA1SDB, Peter" To: References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <36D642DC20944A339A77B05805C821AF@Extensa> <4FE9AB62.1040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8891F24A59404592B6BD262BA56C74E2@Extensa> <4FEA4388.1070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FEA490A.4080307@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEA490A.4080307@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:50:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18645 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2012 23:50:54.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[8612C650:01CD53F6] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I'll stay tuned here for a few years :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:43 PM Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.10 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 34d483c57c7a6bf26c25db3c8765d5fc Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD53F6.85C7B390" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451001184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fea4b137055 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD53F6.85C7B390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll stay tuned here for a few years :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:43 PM Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Hi Peter, Best is to make a recording, then you can reprocess it all the time and try to find better filter and display settings. Unfortunately you missed my VLF kite experiments in 2010 and 2011. Would have been no problem for you to see me in QRSS-3 on 8970 Hz! Maybe, who knows what the future brings... 73, Stefan Am 27.06.2012 01:36, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: Hi Stefan, Unfortunately I wasn't at home this evening, so the supprise was already at the screen when I came home from my job. I understand your explaination of that inter-code-tone :-) I will try to capture the observations on camera or screengrabber sunday. A Youtube project is in progres.... 73's, Peter - PA1SDB Live: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD53F6.85C7B390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll stay tuned here for a few years =20 :-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 11:43=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor = here...

Hi Peter,

Best is to make a recording, then you = can=20 reprocess it all the time and try to find better filter and display=20 settings.

Unfortunately you missed my VLF kite experiments in = 2010 and=20 2011. Would have been no problem for you to see me in QRSS-3 on 8970 = Hz!=20 Maybe, who knows what the future brings...

73, Stefan

Am = 27.06.2012 01:36, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter:=20
Hi Stefan,
 
Unfortunately I wasn't at home this = evening, so the=20 supprise was already at the screen when I came home from my=20 job.
I understand your explaination of that=20 inter-code-tone :-)
I will try to capture the observations on = camera or=20 screengrabber sunday.
A Youtube project is in=20 progres.... 
 
73's, Peter - PA1SDB
 
------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD53F6.85C7B390-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B89453800FCB6; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5Aj-0005gs-Rz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:37:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5Aj-0005gi-Cg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:37:09 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh5Ah-00069C-MO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:37:08 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAFABTi4E9cF/1H/2dsb2JhbABFtWuBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDBA0EAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAQiHdqg3kSyLL4J+gxsDiBCFNJdegmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,439,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542389282" Received: from host-92-23-253-71.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.253.71]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 21:37:05 +0100 Message-ID: <001301cd4e5b$49a430a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:37:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW. HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is what they sleep on as a bed. ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus other things. Move to the countryside for quality of life for example at a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in the city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe the tail In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ tripe, black sausage and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be prepared!! Meanwhile back to MF es LF, I am now CQ on 502 but search the band and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.2 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f3d1da032404cd5ad9531631c09e3b44 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4E5B.49559B70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1464fe0e3464bcc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4E5B.49559B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW.=20 HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is what = they sleep on as a bed. ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left with = after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus other = things. Move to the countryside for quality of life for example at a BBQ country = folks roast a whole steer whereas in the city/town you have to settle = for a sausage and maybe the tail In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ tripe, black sausage and = pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be prepared!! Meanwhile back to MF es LF, I am now CQ on 502 but search the band and = 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw??? 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4E5B.49559B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
You city folks are getting confused between HAY = and STRAW.=20
HAY is what animals EAT,  mostly cattle, = sheep and=20 Horses STRAW is what they sleep on as a bed.
ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this = is what you=20 are left with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for = example plus=20 other things.
Move to the countryside for quality of life for = example at=20 a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in the city/town you = have to=20 settle for a sausage and maybe the tail
In Liverpool they are very particular and = BBQ  tripe,=20 black sausage and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you = go=20 there be prepared!!
Meanwhile back to MF es LF,  I am now CQ on = 502 but=20 search the band and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz = spectrum
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 5:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay = 034

Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of=20 straw???

73, Stefan

Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal = hamilton:=20
Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST
 
g3kev
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4E5B.49559B70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 32AC9380000F3; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjudr-0002BJ-0e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:58:55 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjudq-0002BA-GE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:58:54 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjudo-0005nH-EB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:58:53 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgkFALks609Ok8wX/2dsb2JhbABFgkWeCJVagQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKHgcUAQQaBg0JCAYTCgECAgEBh2wDD7l3ilRjFYV1A4gXhTaSaIUAgl+BVw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,485,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="391145416" Received: from host-78-147-204-23.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.204.23]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2012 16:58:50 +0100 Message-ID: <006801cd547d$bb63d6a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00482E7CA1B947A28737AA21D6E409D4@shack5a65be54f> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:58:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MessageTransistors es chips are handy but Valves are better especially for the QRO merchants. Most of todays operators could not handle valves, the voltages are too dang-er-ous g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Andre Guye1 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: RE : LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 0c28add2673aaa1c8f62f1695e18ff8b Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD547D.BB285440" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:493637216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854feb2ded7ebb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD547D.BB285440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageTransistors es chips are handy but Valves are better especially = for the QRO merchants. Most of todays operators could not handle valves, the voltages are too = dang-er-ous=20 g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andre Guye1=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: RE : LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Yes Graham, and after listening again at the valves Pete sound I am = sure that is drums....=20 F6CNI Andy. -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] De la part de Graham Envoy=E9 : mercredi 27 juin 2012 17:24 =C0 : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Objet : Re: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight VALVES give better sound , just the thing for playing OPERA = on=20 G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Hi all Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera keyer design and = software with HEX code. It works a treat. It has been keying a test oscillator for a day = now. Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output 500kc/s = 6CL6 valve TX on into a LW 35ft up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial = setting 500kc/s USB. Don't laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the past. 73 Pete M0FMT IO91UX -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Antivirus avast!: message Sortant sain.=20 Base de donnees virale (VPS) : 120627-0, 27/06/2012 Analyse le : 27/06/2012 17:47:37 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD547D.BB285440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Transistors es chips are handy but Valves are = better=20 especially for the QRO merchants.
Most of todays operators could not handle = valves, the=20 voltages are too dang-er-ous
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andre=20 Guye1
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 = 3:47=20 PM
Subject: RE : LF: Opera 500kc/s = 18:00 BST=20 tonight

Yes=20 Graham, and after listening again at the valves Pete sound I am sure = that=20 is drums....
 
F6CNI Andy.
-----Message d'origine-----
De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] De la part de=20 Graham
Envoy=E9 : mercredi 27 juin 2012 = 17:24
=C0 :=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Objet :=20 Re: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight

VALVES    give  better sound , just   = the =20 thing  for  playing  OPERA  on
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM
Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST = tonight

Hi all
Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera = keyer=20 design and software with HEX code.
 It works a = treat.  It has been keying a test = oscillator=20 for a day now.
Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output =  500kc/s 6CL6 valve TX on into = a LW 35ft=20 up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting 500kc/s=20 USB.
Don=92t laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the=20 past.
73 Pete M0FMT  IO91UX


Antivirus=20 avast!: message Sortant sain.=20

Base de donnees virale (VPS) : = 120627-0,=20 27/06/2012
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------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD547D.BB285440-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CE847380000A0; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SepWC-0002Zi-9a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:30:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SepWB-0002ZZ-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:29:59 +0100 Received: from mailout02.t-online.de ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SepW9-0004di-Mz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:29:58 +0100 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de (fwd05.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout02.t-online.de with smtp id 1SepW7-0004hZ-Qp; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:29:55 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (rI6ZmUZrYhMEjJScgiZ+fl+RP3NBw1Ymve6IFYkKiF2Z1wgg7KidyeCcNQyDQNPZip@[84.147.178.252]) by fwd05.t-online.de with esmtp id 1SepW2-01X8vA0; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:29:50 +0200 Message-ID: <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:29:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: rI6ZmUZrYhMEjJScgiZ+fl+RP3NBw1Ymve6IFYkKiF2Z1wgg7KidyeCcNQyDQNPZip X-TOI-MSGID: 41ac3734-6501-4272-9631-96a107c0d232 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 utc I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not yet ok. 73 Walter DJ2LF/DI2AG From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 khz MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on this band. or If you want a contact let me know I am active most days de Mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.17 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 138e3b341e0543401afa7e97ee054540 Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CD498A.233A9A10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:367465216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fd8b2402d88 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CD498A.233A9A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 utc I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not yet ok. 73 Walter DJ2LF/DI2AG From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 khz=20 MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on = this band. or=20 If you want a contact let me know I am active most days=20 de Mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CD498A.233A9A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 = utc
I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not = yet=20 ok.
73  Walter = DJ2LF/DI2AG
 
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 = 4:25=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 khz

MF operators
I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for = German and=20 others active on this band.
or
If you want a contact let me know
I am active most days
de Mal/g3kev
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CD498A.233A9A10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 22B013800008B; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaWw9-0003Nv-T6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:51:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaWw9-0003Nm-Aq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:51:01 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaWw7-0002oE-7q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:51:00 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews16.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.197]) by cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:50:56 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.5]) by cpsps-ews16.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:50:56 +0200 Received: from Extensa ([195.241.183.120]) by CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:50:56 +0200 Message-ID: <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> From: "PA1SDB, Peter" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7F143.7080106@psk31.plus.com> <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> In-Reply-To: <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:50:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18645 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2012 18:50:56.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A26D580:01CD4027] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello... I was wondering the following: I have here 4x Spectrum Lab task running at one PC to serve my SUB9KHz grabber page at www.qsl.net/pa1sdb I use that Sampling Rate detector in all 4 Spectrum Lab tasks. Is that OK, or need I only one Sampling Rate detector that callibrates the other 3 tasks to ? (one master - 3 clients without that SR cal active) [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.5 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) X-Scan-Signature: 925300287489a1d7272e62b121c112aa Subject: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:384771520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564fc90f707837 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello... I was wondering the following: I have here 4x Spectrum Lab task running at one PC to serve my SUB9KHz grabber page at www.qsl.net/pa1sdb I use that Sampling Rate detector in all 4 Spectrum Lab tasks. Is that OK, or need I only one Sampling Rate detector that callibrates the other 3 tasks to ? (one master - 3 clients without that SR cal active) 73's Peter - PA1SDB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 366A238000085; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg0eN-0001ei-H9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:35:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg0eN-0001eZ-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:35:19 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg0eK-00044G-Sz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:35:18 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P9bF1j0044U6hVe039bGfQ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:35:16 +0200 Message-ID: <43C5CE6D1C7F414CB8E7BF01E213B18F@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:35:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Just copy cw on 477.5 at 2134 z S 2 at moment , but something there : )) From: "pa3abk" Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:57 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: ac0f6ff1af52b6036ac1f4fe0c2bd52c Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472965472:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fdcfc4a02b8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Just copy cw on 477.5 at 2134 z S 2 at moment , but something there : )) -------------------------------------------------- From: "pa3abk" Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:57 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz > Stefan, > > At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ. > And stop when your CQ starts again. > > There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5. > > > Jan/pa3abk > > > On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote: >> Stefan, >> >> Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? >> >> At te mom you are becoming better. >> >> >> >> Jan/pa3abk >> >> On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Schfer wrote: >>> MF, >>> >>> Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter >>> in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the >>> input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much >>> better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still >>> not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. >>> >>> My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for >>> skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the >>> RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try. >>> >>> Starting now! >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> > > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 66AC13800009F; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjZbQ-0006dD-Jx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:31:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjZbQ-0006d4-1O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:31:00 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjZbO-0008Le-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:30:58 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFACfr6U9cF/ft/2dsb2JhbABFgkWeDZVhgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIPHQEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPuUmKVGOGBAOIF4U2iHeIFIFdhQCCXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,479,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="377030762" Received: from host-92-23-247-237.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.247.237]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2012 18:30:56 +0100 Message-ID: <00c501cd53c1$6f79a8d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd52b5$cc3e5e10$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1340622421.48239.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <003d01cd52fe$f36f9780$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1340652728.26832.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:30:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes Pete I always carried a morse key and headphones and still do when I go to foreign places, plus where possible a small rig and portable fibre glass telescopic antenna mast. In the past in some places I just threw a wire out over a bush or tree etc and fired up on CW to keep in touch with others that I knew in other places and work some DX Mal/G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: de74c1b05e8d69de301f516709bc3720 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CD53C1.6F17D9C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438570976:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054fe9f21c3b52 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CD53C1.6F17D9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Pete I always carried a morse key and headphones and still do when I go to = foreign places, plus where possible a small rig and portable fibre glass = telescopic antenna mast. In the past in some places I just threw a wire = out over a bush or tree etc and fired up on CW to keep in touch with others that I knew in other places and work some = DX Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 7:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Well Mal I think a lot of us would like to turn the clock back a long = way because in those days Radio was King. Have Key will travel. Read a bit about the itinerant Telegraphers in = the US between the wars. He had his (racer)key in a baize lined oak box = and could set up anywhere to earn a living... those were the days. Now we all have the mobile phones and no jobs...... 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 19:18 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Pete I am sure Mexico radio stns were within range after dark but I = listened to the Honolulu stns. In those days I was a Globe Trotter seeking rare DX locations. I took = advantage of facilities available at the various locations.to operate = amateur radio. I used Aircraft, Ships and Fixed transmitters besides = having my own portable equipment when possible to carry with me. I had a certain amount of Influence to achieve my objectives !! 73 de G3KEV Retired Globe Trotter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 AM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Hi Mal Very intersting Did you hear any of the Border Blaster X stations out of Mexico, = quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with massive antennas haloed = with a corona that could be seen right across the border into Texas, = pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n Roll to the Pacific GIs, = Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Ionosphere than the = H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at night. Amazing range = which upset the US gov. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb =20 Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 10:34 Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Terry es Co=20 Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Google maps then. G3KEV/VR4MC . ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CD53C1.6F17D9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes Pete
I always carried a morse key and headphones and = still do=20 when I go to foreign places, plus where possible a small rig and = portable fibre=20 glass telescopic antenna mast. In the past in some places I just threw a = wire=20 out over a bush or tree etc and fired up on CW
to keep in touch with others that I knew in = other places=20 and work some DX
Mal/G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 = 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing:=20 11-18-2009_006

Well Mal I think a lot of us would like to turn the clock back a = long way=20 because in those days Radio was King.
Have Key will travel. Read a bit about the itinerant Telegraphers in the US = between the=20 wars. He had his (racer)key in a baize lined oak box and could set up = anywhere to earn a living... those = were the=20 days.
 
Now we all have the mobile phones and no = jobs......
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
From: mal=20 hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 25 = June 2012,=20 19:18
Subject: Re: = LF:=20 Emailing: 11-18-2009_006

Pete
I am sure Mexico radio stns were within range = after dark=20 but I listened to the Honolulu stns.
In those days I was a Globe Trotter seeking = rare DX=20 locations. I took advantage of facilities available at the various=20 locations.to operate amateur radio. I used Aircraft, Ships and Fixed=20 transmitters besides having my own portable equipment when possible to = carry=20 with me.
I had a certain amount of Influence to achieve = my=20 objectives !!
 
73 de G3KEV  Retired Globe = Trotter
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 AM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006

Hi Mal
 
Very intersting
 
Did you hear any of the Border Blaster X stations out of = Mexico,=20 quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with massive antennas haloed with a corona that could = be seen=20 right across the border into Texas, pumping out Jazz, Rythm n = Blues and=20 Rock n Roll to the Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did = more for=20 the Ionosphere than the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to = Hawaii=20 at night. Amazing range which upset the US gov.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton=20 <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012,=20 10:34
Subject: = LF:=20 Emailing: 11-18-2009_006

Terry es Co
 
Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Google maps=20 then.
G3KEV/VR4MC
 
=
 .




= ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CD53C1.6F17D9C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1DCD13800009D; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg23u-0002ai-DT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:05:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg23t-0002aO-PQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:05:45 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg23r-0004TB-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:05:44 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5GN5gLL005402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:05:42 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GN5g1H002922 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:05:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDD10E0.1000608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:04:00 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> <4FDD0343.3070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, Some notes on my first day on that band. My impression from the first day on that band is that the QSB is much much higher than on LF! BTW DJ2LF became much stronger after some time, also audible. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fa743f59d022704fe4104ed922c6083c Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz and first MF impressions and my new MF RX... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010404060701080605020100" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:442961248:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b4fdd11735977 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010404060701080605020100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5GN5gLL005402 MF, Some notes on my first day on that band. My impression from the first day on that band is that the QSB is much=20 much higher than on LF! BTW DJ2LF became much stronger after some time,=20 also audible. After working PA3ABK and getting a real impression what that band is=20 promising regarding QSOs, i've just worked G3KEV who was very strong=20 here, starting 439 and later 579 or more. I have no S meter, so its just=20 a guess. But the normal S meters also show a guess :-) The HF reports, RST 599... In not even 1 of 1000 HF CW QSOs i got a T=20 report that differs from 9. And S... With or without a preamp or=20 attenuator? The only real information is R! Unfortunately most amateurs=20 give R=3D5 even if you have to repeat the call several times... My little homemade MF receive is not even 1 day old and now i've got the=20 proof that it seems to be very sensitive! Arround 500 kHz the signals=20 are 30 dB down compared to 472...479 kHz, due to the internal filters.=20 Anyway there was very good copy of the stations in that range. Looks=20 like the high selective filters are not necessary there on MF. No=20 problems like on LF with DCF and HGA and DLF... Soon i will publish the=20 schematic for this RX, after some further minor changes. So far the receiver is a DC receiver using the SBL-3 as the mixer. The=20 LO is xtal 1.8432 MHz/4 (done by a CD4013), i.e. 460,8 kHz. Actually it=20 is 461 kHz since my xtal is very old it seems. So the band is converted=20 to arround 11...18 kHz and can completely be shown in a spectrogram on a=20 PC. But what i want is a receiver that needs no PC in addition, so i=20 need another mixer and a VFO that converts the signals in the base band,=20 i.e. to 750 Hz or so. Also i would like to have a AGC and a=20 noiseblanker. I've already some ideas how to realise that... Very nice and promising band!! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 17.06.2012 00:23, schrieb Tracey Gardner: > I had a poor copy on DJ2LF here due to the QRN, had that not been=20 > around he would have been quite readable. > 73s Tracey G5VU > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:05 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz > > Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many > reports my email. > > Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio > station i ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was > like on HF, without any problems! I can well imagine that this is > a CW band where real time QSOs can take place. And this night is > in summer and with high QRN, so winther must be wonderful. > No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz > :-) 137 kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to > have a real QSO band now! > > I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the > active ferrite antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN= ... > > The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground > range distance is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but > nothing at DJ2LF in 175km distance... > Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA > here while sitting in the forest and receiving there :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > --------------010404060701080605020100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MF,

Some notes on my first day on that band.

My impression from the first day on that band is that the QSB is much much higher than on LF! BTW DJ2LF became much stronger after some time, also audible.

After working PA3ABK and getting a real impression what that band is promising regarding QSOs, i've just worked G3KEV who was very strong here, starting 439 and later 579 or more. I have no S meter, so its just a guess. But the normal S meters also show a guess :-)
The HF reports, RST 599...  In not even 1 of 1000 HF CW QSOs i got a T report that differs from 9. And S... With or without a preamp or attenuator? The only real information is R! Unfortunately most amateurs give R=5 even if you have to repeat the call several times...

My little homemade MF receive is not even 1 day old and now i've got the proof that it seems to be very sensitive! Arround 500 kHz the signals are 30 dB down compared to 472...479 kHz, due to the internal filters. Anyway there was very good copy of the stations in that range. Looks like the high selective filters are not necessary there on MF. No problems like on LF with DCF and HGA and DLF... Soon i will publish the schematic for this RX, after some further minor changes.

So far the receiver is a DC receiver using the SBL-3 as the mixer. The LO is xtal 1.8432 MHz/4 (done by a CD4013), i.e. 460,8 kHz. Actually it is 461 kHz since my xtal is very old it seems. So the band is converted to arround 11...18 kHz and can completely be shown in a spectrogram on a PC. But what i want is a receiver that needs no PC in addition, so i need another mixer and a VFO that converts the signals in the base band, i.e. to 750 Hz or so. Also i would like to have a AGC and a noiseblanker. I've already some ideas how to realise that...

Very nice and promising band!!

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 17.06.2012 00:23, schrieb Tracey Gardner:
 
I had a poor copy on DJ2LF here due to the QRN, had that not been around he would have been quite readable.
 
73s Tracey G5VU
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz

Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many reports my email.

Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station i ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF, without any problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where real time QSOs can take place. And this night is in summer and with high QRN, so winther must be wonderful.
No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-) 137 kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real QSO band now!

I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the active ferrite antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN...

The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground range distance is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but nothing at DJ2LF in 175km distance...
Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA here while sitting in the forest and receiving there :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


--------------010404060701080605020100-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 45F5838001A7E; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShNHP-00037v-R1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:57:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShNHP-00037m-9b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:57:15 +0100 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShNHN-0004Kx-6g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:57:14 +0100 Received: from fwd24.aul.t-online.de (fwd24.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout10.t-online.de with smtp id 1ShNHK-0004mH-Kn; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:57:10 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (SOFBYYZJQhVFpBBVVIq-wdMp+RHqm-14Md8WH9KRSDsLoWTB5UrDGXf-CtVDbobZyZ@[84.147.165.190]) by fwd24.t-online.de with esmtp id 1ShNHG-1lopzk0; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:57:06 +0200 Message-ID: <0C6B2C0519D74D279732BB4DC9974B3A@standard9dmup1> From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:57:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: SOFBYYZJQhVFpBBVVIq-wdMp+RHqm-14Md8WH9KRSDsLoWTB5UrDGXf-CtVDbobZyZ X-TOI-MSGID: a863d171-1834-4660-98d2-1b9ab497f301 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Horst, as you already did in earlier times you do now: Standing besides the road and tell to hard working people what they should have done better. Note: If the MF-regulation does not meet your needs - you are not forced to use this nice band. Others will do with pleasure. 73 Walter [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.21 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: c1dcf088149efa0360827745859da381 Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CD4F0E.1AE7D5B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435647744:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554fe1f32c2717 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CD4F0E.1AE7D5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Horst, as you already did in earlier times you do now: Standing besides the = road and tell to hard working people what they should have done better. Note: If the MF-regulation does not meet your needs - you are not forced = to use this nice band. Others will do with pleasure. 73 Walter =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Horst St=C3=B6cker"=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full = implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the = BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012? The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really? The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class E. = Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. 9W = ERP. Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. = As HAM with class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing. It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with one = Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now BNetzA) = remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with = every kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: = >250THz ist still allocated to class A AND E HAMs. Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the club! Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN) Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juni 2012 um 13:57 Uhr Von: DK1IS An: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams=20 Dear group, to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the=20 MF-allocation in Germany which I=C2=B4ve got today via email from our=20 authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). 73 and cul on MF! Tom, DK1IS JN59WK =20 Ihr WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App = f=C3=BCr iPhone und Android. =20 https://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CD4F0E.1AE7D5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Horst,
    as you already did = in earlier=20 times you do now: Standing besides the road and tell to hard working = people what=20 they should have done better.
Note: If the MF-regulation does not = meet your needs=20 - you are not forced to use this nice band. Others will do with=20 pleasure.
73
Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 "Horst=20 St=C3=B6cker"
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 = 9:54=20 AM
Subject: Aw: LF: Text of = MF-Allocation to=20 German Hams

Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full=20 implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the = BNetzA.=20 What was the maximum power in WRC2012?
The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really?
The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the = class E.=20 Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. = 9W ERP.=20 Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. As = HAM with=20 class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing.
It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But = with one=20 Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now = BNetzA)=20 remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with = every=20 kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: = >250THz=20 ist still allocated to class A AND E HAMs.
Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the=20 club!
Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN)

Gesendet: Dienstag, = 19. Juni=20 2012 um 13:57 Uhr
Von: DK1IS=20 = <DK1IS@kabelmail.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.c= o.uk,=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: Text of = MF-Allocation=20 to German Hams
Dear group,

to whom it may = concern: enclosed=20 please find the official text of the
MF-allocation in Germany = which I=C2=B4ve=20 got today via email from our
authorising agency = "Bundesnetzagentur"=20 (BNetzA).

73 and cul on MF!

Tom, = DK1IS
JN59WK


  

Ihr=20 WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App = f=C3=BCr iPhone=20 und Android.   
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good copy  from  LS , 569
 
G.

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:44 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: 137 ES 500

Now CQ 136.5 es 502 CW anyone about = ??
also QSX 472
 
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------=_NextPart_000_019D_01CD4B2A.218D7240-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7D0F638000083; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHTD-0005jt-9Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:32:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHTC-0005jk-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:32:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbHTA-0003al-O7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:32:13 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AukFALLIy09Ok8dc/2dsb2JhbABEgkWhDZBPgQiCEwUBAQ0BAQMgIQgCLAEBCAIBAxEEAQEKOQEEGAIGDAgCDg8EAQkBAgIBAQELBIdcAw8HlUaWHgOJWIsRhhADiA2FMJB+hlaCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,710,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="383096581" Received: from host-78-147-199-92.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.199.92]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 21:32:11 +0100 Message-ID: <00bb01cd41c7$f4476770$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:32:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:30 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] 500 opera Nw active cq on 500 Opera mode de mal/g3kev __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: a.. New Members 162 a.. New Photos 6 a.. New Polls 1 Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 8044ff87f22777286b33afb193e0811f Subject: LF: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] 500 opera Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B8_01CD41C7.F3B141F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_10, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:450692640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 10 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824fcbc9ff359d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01CD41C7.F3B141F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:30 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] 500 opera =20 Nw active cq on 500 Opera mode de mal/g3kev __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (1)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 162 a.. New Photos 6 a.. New Polls 1=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01CD41C7.F3B141F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01CD41C7.F3B141F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 69AC8380000B0; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 04:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSmE-0001X7-Hx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:36:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSmE-0001Wy-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:36:38 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbSmC-0005Vn-8a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:36:36 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwuAKFyzE9cHn6F/2dsb2JhbABFgXZ4CAFKmw8DlCcDgSaBCIITARMBAQNJAiwCCAIBBgECGzkBBBoGCBwdAQICAQGFOAcBgiMblWigNYtoOoR/A4gNhTCXVIJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,712,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="383121854" Received: from host-92-30-126-133.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.126.133]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 09:36:35 +0100 Message-ID: <005401cd422d$26332520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:34:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Now cq 502 cw. Anyone about on 136 cw ? de g3kev Now cq 502 cw. Anyone about on 136 cw ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 4e3b1488273adbbe9757d6bdd5adf219 Subject: LF: 500 now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD422C.E2105D90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:330109376:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fcc73d0172b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD422C.E2105D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now cq 502 cw. Anyone about on 136 cw ? de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD422C.E2105D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now cq 502 cw. Anyone about on 136 cw = ?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD422C.E2105D90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 17391380000A7; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeqIS-0002rb-Rs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:19:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeqIS-0002rS-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:19:52 +0100 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeqIO-0004rk-Ok for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:19:51 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5DGJiGc028074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:49:44 -0230 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:49:44 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: LF Group cc: RSGB Yahoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MUN-Disclaimer: http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/elect_communications_disclaimer_2012.php X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Gary, Just a quick note to wish you luck with a speedy fix. Your grabber service is very much appreciated. 73 Joe VO1NA [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabbers Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:426176864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40594fd8bde2155d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Gary, Just a quick note to wish you luck with a speedy fix. Your grabber service is very much appreciated. 73 Joe VO1NA On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Gary G4WGT wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > Sorry to say that the loss of grabber updates is due to a problem with my PC. > > Unable to resolve early & the grabbers may be off for a few days. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B6883800008B; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfaO1-0003fi-1W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:32:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfaNz-0003fZ-VY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:32:39 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfaNx-0007Nq-1V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:32:38 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AksFAMtw209cHnO5/2dsb2JhbAArGoJFgxKfHpBegQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDFgohCAIOBggCAwsBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQEJDAsKAgIUAQQYAgYMCggGDwQBCQECAgEBAQkCBIdcAw8HKaZCiTYDiViKVGIbgk+CFYESA41DkQWBVgWEfoJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,418,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="384755966" Received: from host-92-30-115-185.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.115.185]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 18:32:35 +0100 Message-ID: <007601cd4b1c$d746a0b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" References: <002901cd4b07$28b49530$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1339775924.35989.YahooMailNeo@web87305.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:32:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John The RSGB and their representives do not have the fire power to convince others in EU that their way is best. de MAL/VS6HI - Past President Hong Kong Amateur Radio Society. The same Office as the RSGB president. Maybe I would have handled things different. de G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 4d9fc52ca5607401f230b1df8d5fa4f4 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4B1C.D70B1E50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:464993280:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fdb7213383c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4B1C.D70B1E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John The RSGB and their representives do not have the fire power to convince = others in EU that their way is best. de MAL/VS6HI - Past President Hong Kong Amateur Radio Society. The same = Office as the RSGB president.=20 Maybe I would have handled things different. de G3KEV=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould, G3WKL=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 I'm busy on other matters this weekend and wasn't expecting to have to = get into this detail yet as the resolution for amateurs to have the band = doesn't strictly come into force until 1st Jan 2013. The issue with NDBs is complex as some have noted. Over several years = a group of us worked with classaxe data and other more official sources. = Our best list of active NDBs is collated at = http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/500khz/ndb.php, which was our = working data during the preparatory stages for WRC-12. It's quite = possible that there could be some changes to this data as it hasn't been = checked for several months. We failed to gain even European agreement on our preferred band 493 - = 505 kHz, and what we have is the common ground between the CITEL and = CEPT preference. At least we got something and at least for the UK and = a number of other countries it should work out as more bandwidth than we = have currently. As is often the case we have a compromise solution that takes into = account protection of NDB using frequency separation, distance and ERP. = Some countries have already excluded themselves in the footnote to the = allocation, and as the above website shows others will not be able to = allow operating across the whole band because of NDBs in neighbouring = countries. In the UK we are fortunate along with the USA and Canada and = a number of other countries that we should be allocated the whole band. = As some have said the NDBs are being phased out, but at CEPT level we = could not secure a timetable. Meanwhile, I would suggest that we don't = get too firm in our views at this stage of a band plan but me more = flexible as in the early days of 136 kHz. 73 John, G3WKL -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: graham787 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 16:30 Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 Yes , But im sure we can engineer a way round it ..=20 Q what is the 'wording' of the data regulations ?=20 --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "mal hamilton" = wrote: > > Graham > This particular piece of spectrum was NOT a good choice for radio = amateur use. Like Tracy said the majority of the NDB'S are audible in = the UK and some very loud during the dark hours.=20 > It is only really suitable for CW qso mode where the operator can = dive in/out of vacant slots at the time. > For Opera or other data modes it will be difficult where a SLOT = has to be specified because there are quite dramatic propagation changes = taking place especially in the dark hours and you could well end up on = top of a NDB or several.=20 > The same applies on 160 metres where band condx change all the = time, fortunately there are no NDB'S to contend with. > It is not surprising commercial operators did not see this part of = the spectrum as useful except all NDB'S QRT. > NDB'S are still a useful nav aid for the Aeronautical service es = others so I cannot see them switching off. > G3KEV >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: graham787=20 > To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:38 PM > Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? >=20 >=20 >=20 > This is going to be a nightmare, more like a downhill slalom = course than a band allocation=20 >=20 > Has anyone a graphic of the band and beacon allocations what shows = where the gaps are ? >=20 > G.. >=20 > --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison" = wrote: > > > > Guard bands for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as = the MCW=20 > > receivers would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any=20 > > interference from amateurs is likely to be extremely local. Our = small=20 > > signal working is likely to suffer more QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs = than to=20 > > them. > >=20 > > Mike, G3XDV > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >=20 > > > Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between = 472-479kHz. > > > Twelve of those have been logged from the UK. > > > The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide = detailed > > > information on frequencies which should be avoided. It should = be borne > > > in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of approx 400Hz = and > > > 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of specific = slots to be > > > wary of. > > >=20 > > > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ > > >=20 > > > Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some = form of > > > guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with = NDBs? > > >=20 > > > 73s Tracey G5VU > > > __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (18)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 4=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest =E2=80=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=80=A2 = Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4B1C.D70B1E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
John
The RSGB and their representives do not have the = fire=20 power to convince others in EU that their way is best.
de MAL/VS6HI - Past President Hong Kong = Amateur Radio=20 Society. The same Office as the RSGB president.
Maybe I would have handled things = different.
de G3KEV 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould,=20 G3WKL
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 = 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] = Re: Band=20 Planning for 472 Khz Band ?

  =

I'm busy on other matters this weekend and wasn't expecting = to have=20 to get into this detail yet as the resolution for amateurs to have the = band=20 doesn't strictly come into force until 1st Jan 2013.

The issue with NDBs is complex as some have noted. =  Over=20 several years a group of us worked with classaxe data and other more = official=20 sources.  Our best list of active NDBs is collated = at http://www.r= sgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/500khz/ndb.php,=20 which was our working data during the preparatory stages for WRC-12.=20  It's quite possible that there could be some changes to this = data as it=20 hasn't been checked for several months.

We failed to gain even European agreement on our preferred = band 493=20 - 505 kHz, and what we have is the common ground between the CITEL and = CEPT=20 preference.  At least we got something and at least for the UK = and a=20 number of other countries it should work out as more bandwidth than we = have=20 currently.

As is often the case we have a compromise solution that = takes into=20 account protection of NDB using frequency separation, distance and = ERP. Some=20 countries have already excluded themselves in the footnote to the = allocation,=20 and as the above website shows others will not be able to allow = operating=20 across the whole band because of NDBs in neighbouring countries. =  In the=20 UK we are fortunate along with the USA and Canada and a number of = other=20 countries that we should be allocated the whole band. =  

As some have said the NDBs are being phased out, but at = CEPT level=20 we could not secure a timetable.  Meanwhile, I would suggest that = we=20 don't get too firm in our views at this stage of a band plan but me = more=20 flexible as in the early days of 136 kHz.
 
73 John, G3WKL
From: graham787=20 <g0nbd@hotmail.com>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, 15 = June=20 2012, 16:30
Subject:=20 [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band = ?

 =20
Yes , But im sure we can engineer a way round it ..

Q = what is=20 the 'wording' of the data regulations ?

--- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoog= roups.co.uk,=20 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@...> wrote:
>
> = Graham
>=20 This particular piece of spectrum was NOT a good choice for radio = amateur=20 use. Like Tracy said the majority of the NDB'S are audible in the UK = and=20 some very loud during the dark hours.
> It is only really = suitable=20 for CW qso mode where the operator can dive in/out of vacant slots = at the=20 time.
> For Opera or other data modes it will be difficult = where a=20 SLOT has to be specified because there are quite dramatic = propagation=20 changes taking place especially in the dark hours and you could well = end up=20 on top of a NDB or several.
> The same applies on 160 metres = where=20 band condx change all the time, fortunately there are no NDB'S to = contend=20 with.
> It is not surprising commercial operators did not see = this=20 part of the spectrum as useful except all NDB'S QRT.
> NDB'S = are still=20 a useful nav aid for the Aeronautical service es others so I cannot = see them=20 switching off.
> G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message = -----=20
> From: graham787
> To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoog= roups.co.uk=20
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject:=20 [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ?
> =
>=20
>
> This is going to be a nightmare, more like a = downhill=20 slalom course than a band allocation
>
> Has anyone a = graphic=20 of the band and beacon allocations what shows where the gaps are = ?
>=20
> G..
>
> --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoog= roups.co.uk,=20 "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@> wrote:
> >
> = >=20 Guard bands for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as the = MCW=20
> > receivers would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, = any=20
> > interference from amateurs is likely to be extremely = local.=20 Our small
> > signal working is likely to suffer more QRM = =3Dfrom=3D=20 the NDBs than to
> > them.
> >
> > = Mike,=20 G3XDV
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > =
> > > Twenty-seven=20 NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz.
> > = > Twelve=20 of those have been logged from the UK.
> > > The NDB = database on=20 the Classaxe web site would provide detailed
> > > = information=20 on frequencies which should be avoided. It should be borne
> = > >=20 in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of approx 400Hz = and
>=20 > > 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of specific = slots to=20 be
> > > wary of.
> > >
> > > = http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/
> > = >=20
> > > Perhaps some consideration should be given to = setting up=20 some form of
> > > guard bands/frequencies in order to = avoid any=20 problems with NDBs?
> > >
> > > 73s Tracey=20 G5VU
>=20 = >
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------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4B1C.D70B1E50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E0E79380000A3; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scegr-0002vI-EI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:32:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scegq-0002v6-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:32:00 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scegp-0002fV-8O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:31:59 +0100 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120607153157.NNSV3118.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:31:57 +0100 Received: from boxa ([86.24.136.143]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with SMTP id <20120607153157.INFA3795.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@boxa> for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:31:57 +0100 From: "Mike" To: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:31:44 +0100 Message-ID: <00a401cd44c2$a564e710$0200a8c0@boxa> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2001 Importance: Normal X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=VoRU4pNpVuMA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=tP3zNuKkAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=VT1NPChqTBFZilvltpMA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=YApG9vh1LrAA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=0gpNn-HoEtw-OsSJ:21 a=rU9V4McU6Hr0AQad:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi 5tefan Hearing your beacon here IO90MS a good 579 but it is raining which means my lash up cannot be used on TX quite yet as a normal station with changeover. Very nice to hear something that can be identified without robots. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: LF: RE: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487933568:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d94fd0c99f7af1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi 5tefan Hearing your beacon here IO90MS a good 579 but it is raining which means my lash up cannot be used on TX quite yet as a normal station with changeover. Very nice to hear something that can be identified without robots. The other evening I identified Mike G3XDN vis your grabber! I could hear him well but too impatient to time the characters by ref to my watch ! Tnx 73 de G3JVL Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Schfer Sent: 07 June 2012 15:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz LF! I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN :-) In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&cust omRange=137 so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! 73, Stefan/DK7FC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2425.1.1/5051 - Release Date: 06/07/12 07:34:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EC91E380030A6; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShOIm-0003ME-Az for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:02:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShOIl-0003M5-Rt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:02:43 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShOIj-0004rz-HF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:02:42 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5KH2KnH016038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:02:20 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5KH2KhS008239 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:02:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE201B2.6030102@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:00:34 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be>,<4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB1C6F@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB1C6F@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5KH2KnH016038 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Rik, Am 20.06.2012 08:28, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > About the TX antenna used as RX antenna: that often works fine if you do not overload the RX (BC at 525kHz+). I always use the 20dB attenuator of my good old TS440 to RX on my 11m high / 25m ling Lazy-L antenna. Well, didn't measured yet but i think the transmit antenna is very selective too. Anyway the signal levels may be to high in the near BC region. I've checked the filter curves in my small active antennas. Both, the ferrite and the E field antenna are resonated, the E field antenna uses a L to ground in front of the first gate. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 8ef270cc2ec30cd34b6313d7ada17a45 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Test signal needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:500910464:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4fe202815d57 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Rik, Am 20.06.2012 08:28, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > About the TX antenna used as RX antenna: that often works fine if you d= o not overload the RX (BC at 525kHz+). I always use the 20dB attenuator o= f my good old TS440 to RX on my 11m high / 25m ling Lazy-L antenna. Well, didn't measured yet but i think the transmit antenna is very=20 selective too. Anyway the signal levels may be to high in the near BC=20 region. I've checked the filter curves in my small active antennas. Both, the=20 ferrite and the E field antenna are resonated, the E field antenna uses=20 a L to ground in front of the first gate. These are the curves: Active ferrite antenna: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/MFferrite.pn= g Active E field antenna: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/MFactiveE.pn= g The main aspect is to filter DLF at 153 kHz which causes much trouble=20 here... Also my receiver is selective it selfe. As i said, 500 kHz is already 30=20 dB down... > As long as the band noise is above the RX noise you won't loose any s= ensititity. > =20 That's clear. But "band noise" is not so easy to find here. It's always =20 the question what the man made noise part is. However this seems to be=20 less critical on MF than on LF, as others already said.. 73, tnx, cu Stefan/DK7FC > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: woensdag 20 juni 2012 0:44 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: Test signal needed > > Rik, MF, > > Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much > better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. Mayb= e > you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? > > It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that > many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops tha= t > were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. > > I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test > signals from amateurs. > > 73, Stefan > > Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > =20 >> actually 501.2kHz. >> Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. >> You are 579 with the usual QSB. >> I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared= ERP abt 1W. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD >> >> ________________________________________ >> Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org] namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] >> Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 >> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW >> >> Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse >> Jan/pa3abk >> >> On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> >> =20 >>> just in case someone wants... >>> I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >>> >>> >>> =20 >> -- >> pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it >> >> =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4781738000125; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZ8Y-0004qT-OB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:24:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZ8X-0004qK-Uy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:24:05 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbZ8W-0007Mx-1y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:24:04 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q54FO30S005056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:24:03 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q54FO383029622 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:24:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCCD2B9.1030408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:22:33 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello John, Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 29f208b223fe7a2cb359508e38e2ea2d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090807030305090100090402" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486815744:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94fccd35159ed X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090807030305090100090402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q54FO30S005056 Hello John, Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to=20 be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the=20 yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the=20 "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again... Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so=20 fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF=20 group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex=20 for a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So=20 their opinion will be ignored! Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only=20 me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group,=20 although we are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party=20 (in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you shut them down? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould: > Stefan, > > I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo=20 > account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and=20 > that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with=20 > your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be=20 > authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. > > I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on=20 > the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 > > wrote: > > Hi Clive, LF, > > For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a > yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is > advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind > for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) > who want to codeterminate in this process. > > My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group > compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like > competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down > after some time. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: > > If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before > the voting period ends. > > > --------------090807030305090100090402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello John,

Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again...

Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored!

Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group, although we are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party (in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you shut them down?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould:
Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted.  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Schäfer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
Hi Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends.
 


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Content preview: Andy quotes 16 bits on the yahoo for the fun-Q , I though was 24 well this has been about for a while , with the PIC based projects that needed the £20 pic pr-loaded to finish the job ...... most hard-faced one I watched , was the digital voice , who after many hams helped the project , some with code etc , sold out to become d-star [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: a7807433649b9158e303ad9d84055145 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DE_01CD4FCB.E08DFED0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:449467104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fe33f8167af X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01CD4FCB.E08DFED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy quotes 16 bits on the yahoo for the fun-Q , I though = was 24 =20 well this has been about for a while , with the PIC based = projects that needed the =C2=A320 pic pr-loaded to finish the = job ...... most hard-faced one I watched , was the digital voice = , who after many hams helped the project , some with code etc = , sold out to become d-star =20 At least Georges svg packet-engine , kept the last free working = issue on his web-site , nothing wrong with that , and the = commercial version of ROS doesn't seem to be on the horizon , so = that's another mad-chicken shot =20 But your right, in the land of 'not as we know it' A request for = a special tx permit to test a hardware based spread spectrum = modem for HF was actually rejected ..how much is a pactor modem = or the super-packet hf modem to buy ?...... imagine if some one = then posted a free for all software version ..... that would of = caused a big pie-fight ! Echo ? only of the past hihi=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:15 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Graham Yep it's Ham Radio Graham, but not as we know it. BTW, Do you get the feeling there's an echo somewhere on this = reflector?? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 14:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Well unintended consequence may be playing a part in this as = well , by the time the project was finished ,I think it was out = of economic production range , the rest is on-going history as = development costs probably will not be re-claimed , its cheap , = but not that cheap , same as lots of posts about making = digital back-ends for older HF radios ...eh ! , =C2=A310 soft = rock or a dongel , job done , something in qst / qex looks 10 = years too late , why not a Leakey grid 6c4 AM detector , if you = want to go retro=20 24 bit compared to the 8 bit USB-TV , but apparently that's not = the problem that might be imagined ......Ive one sitting in the = box , still slowly working down the things to do list ......... = now one that Tx over that range . that would be handy ! G..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Marco Beware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not = cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the dark side of ham radio = publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T stick is = probably a lower spec than that. But not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" =20 Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 10:30 Subject: RE: LF: SDR programs Hello Pete, I bought a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and = it=E2=80=99s very impressive how this small USB stick works. I compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive = with the Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the = same signal strength. SDR program is SDR-Radio http://sdr-radio.com/ vy73 Marco, DD7PC From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 20 June 2012 20:40 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app and = ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 = (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK = source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg = O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v = into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound = card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB = supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software = is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting software = for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to get = started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/ you will also find a = link to sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time to = learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01CD4FCB.E08DFED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy quotes   16  bits  on   = the =20 yahoo  for the  fun-Q   , I though  was  = 24 =20
 
well  this  has  been  about  for  = a =20 while  , with the  PIC based   projects  = that =20 needed  the  =C2=A320   pic  pr-loaded  = to  finish=20 the  job ......  most  hard-faced  one   I = watched   , was the  digital voice  , who  = after =20 many  hams  helped  the  project , some =20 with  code etc  , sold  out to  become  = d-star =20
 
At least  Georges   svg packet-engine   , = kept=20 the  last free  working  issue  on  his  = web-site=20 , nothing wrong  with  that , and the  commercial =20 version  of  ROS  doesn't  seem to  be on = the =20 horizon , so  that's another mad-chicken   shot  =
 
But  your  right,  in the  land of  'not = as we=20 know it'  A  request  for a  special  = tx =20 permit  to  test    a hardware based  =  =20 spread  spectrum  modem  for HF was   = actually =20 rejected  ..how  much is a pactor modem  or the =20 super-packet  hf modem to  buy  ?...... imagine  = if =20 some  one then  posted  a  free  for  = all =20 software  version ..... that  would  of  = caused =20 a  big  pie-fight  !
 
Echo  ?  only  of the  past  hihi

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:15 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Graham
 
Yep it's Ham Radio Graham, but not as we know it.
 
BTW, Do you get the feeling there's an echo somewhere on this=20 reflector??

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, 21 = June 2012,=20 14:40
Subject: Re: = LF: SDR=20 programs

Well   unintended   consequence   = may =20 be playing  a  part  in this  as well , by the  = time=20 the  project  was  finished ,I think   it  = was  out of  economic  production  range  =  ,=20 the  rest  is on-going history  as  development = costs =20 probably  will  not  be  re-claimed , its  = cheap =20 , but  not  that  cheap  ,  same as  = lots =20 of  posts  about  making   digital =20 back-ends  for  older  HF  radios  ...eh = !  =20 , =C2=A310  soft rock  or  a  dongel  , = job  done ,=20 something  in qst / qex  looks  10  years too =20 late  , why not a  Leakey  grid  6c4  AM = detector ,=20 if  you  want to  go  retro
 
24  bit  compared to the  8 bit  = USB-TV   ,=20 but  apparently  that's  not the  problem that  = might  be  imagined ......Ive one  sitting  in = the  box=20 ,  still  slowly  working down the  things to  = do =20 list ......... now  one that   Tx over that  = range  .=20 that  would be  handy !
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Marco
 
Beware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not=20 cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the = dark side of=20 ham radio publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T = stick=20 is probably a lower spec than = that. But=20 not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!!
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 "Scholz, Marco " <marco.scholz@citi.com>To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org'"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012,=20 10:30
Subject: RE: = LF: SDR=20 programs

Hello=20 Pete,
I=20 bought a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it=E2=80=99s = very impressive=20 how this small USB stick works.
I=20 compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive = with the=20 Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the same signal=20 strength.
SDR=20 program is SDR-Radio http://sdr-radio.com/
 
vy73
Marco,=20 DD7PC
 
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 20 June 2012 = 20:40
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: SDR=20 programs
 
Hi all
Save those precious Euros = because you=20 don=E2=80=99t know how long they will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint = Seeber=E2=80=99s =20 BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) = DVB-T USB=20 stick.=20
These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to = =C2=A310 from UK source and=20 cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the = cheap=20 way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or = similar=20 block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to = UHF=20 coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.=20
Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations=20 with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough=20 all your local FM BC as well.  Not a lot of people know=20 that!
URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_comp= atibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You = won=E2=80=99t read about=20 this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0)
Yy 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es = GL Pete=20 M0FMT IO91UX
From: = Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012,=20 18:40
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi=20 Piotr,

Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i = searched=20 for.
But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR = software=20 is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're=20 referring on usable for both, IQ and mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one = of my SL=20 teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab = i would=20 prefer that i think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi = Stefan,=20 LF
>
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The = primary=20 supporting software for all their sdr  hardware is = Spectravue.
> you=20 can download this program from the rfspace site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult to=20 get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it you = will like=20 it:)
>
> on a "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/  you = will also find=20 a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
> =
> =20 they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver=20 front side
>  It has many many different options - of course, = it does=20 take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather = easy..
>=20
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and easy=20 to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr software = supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of = sdr=20 programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                  =  =20                     =  =20                     =  =20         yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: = Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
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Max Scordamaglia From: f4dtl@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:33 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz,CW Sunday July 1, 2012 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.149.158.35 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 222431427b0fb799ed82c2c5d7851cd5 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz,CW Sunday July 1, 2012 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CD4ED3.EF294E20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:467240800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fe194401c6d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Messaggio multiparte in formato MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CD4ED3.EF294E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sto provvedendo a copiare. Domani ti passo tutti i dati. Max Scordamaglia From: f4dtl@aol.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:33 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz,CW Sunday July 1, 2012=20 We will remind you of the Grimeton Radio/SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz, = CW, with the Alexanderson alternator on Sunday July 1, 2012 = ,=E2=80=9CAlexanderson Day=E2=80=9D, at 09:00 UTC and 12:00 UTC. We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before message. The radio station is open to visitors. There will be activity on amateur radio frequencies with the call = "SK6SAQ" from 09:15 to 11:30 UTC and 12:15 to 13:00 UTC. Any of following frequencies: - 14.035 kHz CW - 14.215 kHz SSB >From 07:00 UTC also on: - 3.755 kHz SSB QSL-reports are kindly received: - E-mail to: info@alexander.n.se - or fax to: +46-340-674195 - or via: SM bureau - or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios Vaenner, Radiostationen =20 Grimeton 72 SE-432 98 GRIMETON, SWEDEN (NB: new address) Also read our web site: www.alexander.n.se Yours Lars Kalland SM6NM ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CD4ED3.EF294E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Max=20 Scordamaglia
 
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:33 AM
Subject: LF: SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz,CW Sunday July 1, = 2012=20
 
We will=20 remind you of the Grimeton Radio/SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz, CW, with = the=20 Alexanderson alternator on Sunday=20 July 1, 2012 ,=E2=80=9CAlexanderson Day=E2=80=9D, at 09:00 UTC and 12:00 = UTC.
 
We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before=20 message.
The radio station is open to=20 visitors.
There will be activity on amateur radio = frequencies with=20 the call "SK6SAQ" from = 09:15 to=20 11:30 UTC and 12:15 to 13:00 UTC.
 
Any=20 of following frequencies:
- 14.035 kHz CW
- 14.215 kHz SSB
 
From=20 07:00 UTC also on:
-   = 3.755 kHz SSB
 
QSL-reports are kindly received:
 
- E-mail to: info@alexander.n.se
 
- or fax to: = +46-340-674195
 
- or via: SM bureau
 
- or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton=20 Veteranradios Vaenner,
  Radiostationen           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20
  = Grimeton=20 72
  = SE-432=20 98 GRIMETON, SWEDEN (NB: new = address)
 
Also read our web site: www.alexander.n.se
 
Yours
Lars Kalland
SM6NM
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Bob  If you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at earlier posts.  However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of little interest to you.  You say dangle we say dongle..... :-0  These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug straight into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving local digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in the US and they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. If I need to tell you more please ask but this is all in public domain on the web (but not in Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played with these things for about 6 months now and for a few quid (dollars) are fun. If you build a simple up converter with a say a 60meg LO guess what, you have an all band HF radio as well.  Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? We are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars.  73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d5ac66e7920295f519efeb68ecc59e6f Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-1933783804-1340654283=:10216" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485739520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d007.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4fe8c306291e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-1933783804-1340654283=:10216 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bob=0A=C2=A0=0AIf you are directing that mail to me then you need to loo= k at earlier posts.=0A=C2=A0=0AHowever if you are a cheque book Ham then it= will be of little interest to you. =0A=C2=A0=0AYou say dangle we say dongl= e..... :-0=0A=C2=A0=0AThese are TV front ends that use the SDR principle an= d plug straight into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for r= ecieving local digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are availa= ble in the US and they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gi= gs. If=C2=A0I need to tell you more please ask but this is all in public do= main on the web (but not in Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played wi= th these things for about 6 months now=C2=A0and for a few quid (dollars) ar= e fun. If you build a simple up converter with a say a 60meg LO guess what,= you have an all band=C2=A0HF radio as well.=0A=C2=A0=0AOh and BTW I was no= t entirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? We are talking 10 dollars= not 300+dollars.=0A=C2=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A___________= _____________________=0A From: "riese-k3djc@juno.com" =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 19:34= =0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0A=0A=0ABeen Kinda o= ut of any loop on this=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0ABUT =0A=0Aif what I read,, if I c= onnect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct chip =0Aset =0Ait will cover = MF to HF using=C2=A0 an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ = =0Awhich I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set =0AH= DSDR =0Awill run that TV dangle=C2=A0as a HF radio =0A=0A?? =0A=0ABob K3DJC= =0A=0AOn Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" =0Awrites: =0AHello Pete =0A>=0A>If we're talking about low p= riced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on the block in the form of the = Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. =0A>It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SD= R i.e. a direct sampling digital down conversion SDR. =0A>It covers 100kHz= to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a LAN interface for = remote access. =0A>The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc sh= ipping and VAT. =0A>=0A>You can find more details here =0A>=0A>http://4z5lv= .net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description =0A>=0A>https://www.box.com/s/1cd= 9353fa35b1022925e =0A>=0A>I've no connection other than being a satisfied c= ustomer. =0A>=0A>73s Tracey G5VU =0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>Fro= m: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, June = 21, 2012 9:55 PM =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Mal= =0A>>=0A>>The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is t= he price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or=C2=A0A/D co= nverter.=C2=A0They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on LF = because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good soun= d card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO=C2=A0I don't think its = worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks people = have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It = looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX suppie= rs do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.=0A>>= =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>____________________________= ____=0A>> =0A> ---357169082-1933783804-1340654283=:10216 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bob
=
 
If you are directing that mail to = me then you need to look at earlier posts.
&n= bsp;
However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be o= f little interest to you.
 
<= span>You say dangle we say dongle..... :-0
&n= bsp;
These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and= plug straight into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for re= cieving local digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are availab= le in the US and they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gig= s. If I need to tell you more please ask but this is all in public dom= ain on the web (but not in Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played with these things for about 6 months now and for a few quid (d= ollars) are fun. If you build a simple up converter with a say a 60meg LO g= uess what, you have an all band HF radio as well.
 
Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tr= acy was getting at below?? We are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=
From: "riese-k3djc@juno.com" <riese-k3djc@juno.com>= ;
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Sent: Monday,= 25 June 2012, 19:34
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

=EF=BB=BF=0A= =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A
=0A
 
=0A
Been Kinda= out of any loop on this  
=0A
 
=0A
BUT<= /div>=0A
 
=0A
if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner u= sb dangle witht he correct chip =0Aset
=0A
it will cover MF to HF = using  an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ
=0A<= div>which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set =0A= HDSDR
=0A
will run that TV dangle as a HF radio
=0A
=  
=0A
??
=0A
 
=0A
Bob K3DJC
=0A<= div> 
=0A
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner"= <tracey.gardner@t= alktalk.net> =0Awrites:
=0A
=0A
Hello Pete
=0A =
 
=0A
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there i= s a relatively new kid on =0A the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net = from Israel.
=0A
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.= e. a direct sampling =0A digital down conversion SDR.
=0A
It co= vers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a =0A LAN= interface for remote access.
=0A
The best bit is that it costs = just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT.
=0A
 
=0A <= div>You can find more details here
=0A
 
=0A =0A
 
=0A =0A
 
=0A
I've no = connection other than being a satisfied customer.
=0A
 =0A
73s Tracey G5VU
=0A
=0A
----- Original Message -----
=0A
From: =0A M0FMT
=0A
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A =0A
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 =0A PM=0A
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs
=0A
=
=0A
=0A
Hi Mal
=0A
 
=0A The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the =0A = price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D =0A = converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on L= F =0A because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a g= ood sound =0A card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I do= n't think its =0A worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the = DVB-T sticks people =0A have been opening them up to look at the SMT chi= p marking if not sure. It =0A looks like they don't erase the markings l= ike some well known LF TX suppiers =0A do. Oh and the software plug-ins = are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A


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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello LF, it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 turns of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have only made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct connection with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it advisable to use the main coil as the primary winding? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.214 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: LF: Coupling a LF resonant ferrite rx antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="261575577-1084759841-1340892873=:80692" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:387302976:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m025.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4fec66ff4a13 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --261575577-1084759841-1340892873=:80692 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF,=0A=0A=0Ait seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (a= bot 80 turns of Litz wire over a bundle of=A0seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling = and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning r= ange is about 160-650 kHz and could=A0easily be moved to lower frequencies = by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have only made some quick= tests by inductively coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a port= able radio. I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct c= onnection with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for example a tr= ansformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommen= ded, is it advisable to use the main coil as the primary winding?=0A=0A73= =0ADaniele IZ5WWB --261575577-1084759841-1340892873=:80692 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hell= o LF,
 
it seems I managed to build a pretty good fer= rite coil (abot 80 turns of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm = rods). Nulling and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current va= r cap, tuning range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to = lower frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have on= ly made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct connection wi= th a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or= a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it a= dvisable to use the main coil as the primary=0A winding?
 
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 
--261575577-1084759841-1340892873=:80692-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2CD3938000087; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 05:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdI8E-0006JA-CX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:38:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdI8E-0006J0-0B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:38:54 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc1-s24.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.190.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdI8C-0003Xd-9m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:38:52 +0100 Received: from BAY154-W48 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 9 Jun 2012 02:38:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [81.200.63.88] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: _RSGB_LF Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 11:38:49 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2012 09:38:49.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACB44F30:01CD4623] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, LF!I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-)RST = 599 UFB 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Hello Stefan, LF! I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.54.190.35 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (bvgbob[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 046f068074e745d5c60ca47deee9b503 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f3eb08fe-a196-4ee6-9936-f96dc612e2c1_" Subject: LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:363481792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fd319d65401 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_f3eb08fe-a196-4ee6-9936-f96dc612e2c1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan=2C LF!I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very = good=2C S/N more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local s= tation :-)RST =3D 599 UFB 73! Lubos=2C OK2BVG=2C JN88KS = --_f3eb08fe-a196-4ee6-9936-f96dc612e2c1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Stefan=2C LF!
I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is = very good=2C S/N more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a lo= cal station :-)
RST =3D 599 UFB

73!

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= --_f3eb08fe-a196-4ee6-9936-f96dc612e2c1_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B15EE380000DE; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfX50-0002eh-TT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:00:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfX50-0002eY-Dq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:00:50 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfX4y-0006TD-Fu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:00:49 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5FE0ll4026040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:00:47 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5FE0lsX031888 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:00:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDB3FAA.5000806@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:59:06 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDA6F0F.3080104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000a01cd4add$b33c1720$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <000a01cd4add$b33c1720$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks to Andrey and Jay for the reports! Looks like QRN (if present) and maybe 10 dB more attenuation is the only real limitation on LF in summer... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440476224:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61874fdb4051571b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thanks to Andrey and Jay for the reports! Looks like QRN (if present) and maybe 10 dB more attenuation is the only real limitation on LF in summer... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 15.06.2012 10:05, schrieb rn3agc: > Hi Stefan, > > 01:10z > > 73 > Andrey Am 15.06.2012 12:00, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: > Stefan > > Your signal reached the high water mark of 20 dB s/n in 28 mHz last > night. Capture at http://www.w1vd.com/grabber.html . > Thanks to good condx (DST of -15nt and low static levels) we can put a > check mark next to June! > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4AEA8380000AC; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkiEq-0002sg-2B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:56:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkiEp-0002sX-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:56:23 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkiEn-0008Vm-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:56:22 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120629205620.PIOI15330.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:56:20 +0100 Received: from boxa ([86.24.136.143]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with SMTP id <20120629205619.UDFM23925.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@boxa> for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:56:19 +0100 From: "Mike" To: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:56:02 +0100 Message-ID: <00a201cd5639$99b912a0$0200a8c0@boxa> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2001 Importance: Normal X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=vGjkTdrGDAgA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=VoRU4pNpVuMA:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=q1sqUgIiAAAA:8 a=VAMm1qzQAAAA:8 a=5Wi1-r2fAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=488HzUmRLvi9yRs41V4A:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=gUVE0s_LM8WGMU-y6WUA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=eo-GZudRXdAA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan The source or load impedances are wrong. Try the test with a pot in series on one end first and see what value resistance reduces the ripple. Best if a spec can be found then design circuit to provide the correct Z. If no spec then vary the source and load until the ripple is minimum - ignore the insertion loss at this time. When you come to a value then provide it with the circuitry. When this stage is reached the insertion loss should minimise at the same time as the ripple. Looks an excellent filter and will perform well when fed and loaded correctly. 73 de Mike G3JVL Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.49 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 081739af09bdcbecda01e4d970c01b31 Subject: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CD5641.FB823590" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482307712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4fee16b8793b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CD5641.FB823590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Stefan The source or load impedances are wrong. Try the test with a pot in series on one end first and see what value resistance reduces the ripple. Best if a spec can be found then design circuit to provide the correct Z. If no spec then vary the source and load until the ripple is minimum - ignore the insertion loss at this time. When you come to a value then provide it with the circuitry. When this stage is reached the insertion loss should minimise at the same time as the ripple. Looks an excellent filter and will perform well when fed and loaded correctly. 73 de Mike G3JVL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Schfer Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try... -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 Von: Stefan Schfer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473 kHz. It is available at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbaute ile.html (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very high. See the image: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%2 0473%20kHz.png So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jp g which shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2433.1.1/5098 - Release Date: 06/29/12 07:34:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CD5641.FB823590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Stefan The source or load impedances are wrong. Try the test with a pot = in=20 series on one end first and see what value resistance reduces the=20 ripple.
Best=20 if a spec can be found then design circuit to provide the correct=20 Z.
If no=20 spec then vary the source and load until the ripple is minimum - ignore = the=20 insertion loss at this time.
When=20 you come to a value then provide it with the = circuitry.
When=20 this stage is reached the insertion loss should minimise at the same = time as the=20 ripple.
Looks=20 an excellent filter and will perform well when fed and loaded=20 correctly.
73 de=20 Mike G3JVL
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Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed,=20 mechanical filters

4th try...

--------=20 Original-Nachricht --------=20
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-heide= lberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

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------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CD5641.FB823590-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7D1BD38000081; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd8uu-0003fp-Gu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:48:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd8uu-0003fg-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:48:32 +0100 Received: from smtp3.mail.ru ([94.100.176.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd8ur-0001j0-A2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:48:30 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=mail.ru Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:References:To:From:Message-ID; bh=SXw+8mBXN3lQqLD9zs6Sc3Rd1vJi9FgCGBssPDLSdsM=; b=rjxVIUdFwr829OYJ9Ou7vK1uf/7JAXcthdutE/ykq7Kg6zV+9ZC3tBw0jP/nuO1U6o1b+SgFhHlZqNKWgkrOTL0GKLw7B6MC3ntEp6XdbW0juYq7SKRFgufGAAPXrH+s; Received: from [79.98.8.29] (port=51686 helo=EFREMOV) by smtp3.mail.ru with esmtpa (envelope-from ) id 1Sd8up-00045v-8n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 03:48:27 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <004601cd45d1$2cc6a630$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CF13DA2999C95F-250-7AFD@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> <001701cd45c6$e3bfee60$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <8CF13DF5AA6BDA8-250-7CC1@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> <003501cd45cc$eadbca10$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <4FD289A2.8000400@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 03:47:40 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Wow, Stefan!:)) It is fantastic night!!!:) record: http://agc.ufo.ru/sound/120608-dk7fc-cw.mp3 [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [94.100.176.131 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rn3agc[at]mail.ru) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451545120:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m207.1 ; domain : mail.ru DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fd28f8811bf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Wow, Stefan!:)) It is fantastic night!!!:) record: http://agc.ufo.ru/sound/120608-dk7fc-cw.mp3 GN 73 Andrey > Wow, Andrey! > Very good hell reception. Once again i didn't expect this would be > possible in middle of June in 2000km! > Oops, DF&NM should read DF6NM of course... > > I think i will run the beacon overnight until i need the transmitter for > QSOs tomorrow... Maybe you can hear it? > > QRG 137.0 once again... > > 73 from inside the old car :-) > > Stefan > > Am 09.06.2012 01:16, schrieb rn3agc: >> Markus, >> >> Excellent propagation! Your signal 10-12 db, Stefan ~20 db (audible)! >> >> Opera: >> 22:29 136 PA0WMR Op8 -30 dB >> >> 73 >> Andrey >> >> >> Andrey, thanks for the nice report! >> At 22:30 I sent another test in DFCW, and SNR at the fieldday site had >> improved to 30 dB. >> >> 73, >> Markus (DF6NM) > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F244538000082; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBIy-0007wo-2b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:57:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBIx-0007wf-Ig for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:57:15 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbBIv-0001Ya-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:57:14 +0100 Received: by obfk16 with SMTP id k16so14400611obf.16 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 06:57:11 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7DKgnagZhUs9Beb5oMZXsIJUwlcDL+9pMvpjVM4ZnyE=; b=ON9lzxgV27C4JgzjjMzx4/dskLHOsEjbL7sUYIuGm3YPOm2ID+1ia2I1sJ1KwO8vNq ysl3xnTB/Pjkikm3669Y1sHZzaLgN9dUAzSmE0Cl0AoLFakIm8QsxghobnhcKUuFA89v XDRFKGq70+kEZkISeE/Etfe2XvydiAMayamV6DRiokaPEV8PirFeA1OEH7fW3wZkt68e jh49kwLbr+Vk8PSdqozUMgVEzuzV+s3jnlXd2BaBobYldEJCRz6BPxfnGD53O/UMB7Qq J90vxHtDSETgVfsgLWY3ZbHYm0eqcAbCJXJM77XpRMmyzBMrzKcY/Xg6hnuQO0rnZzJC Dngg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.207.98 with SMTP id lv2mr3037375obc.13.1338731831351; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 06:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 06:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:57:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is a clear view on the way forward. I thought that there was, but there seem to still be some with concerns. I personally don't want to have two groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups earlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there were lots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups offering. Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Groups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing what the preference is for the way forward. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 420019f4991fbaa4f653703c21f48617 Subject: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f5024ea41dacd04c191cbb4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486615520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m414.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fcb6d641124 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8f5024ea41dacd04c191cbb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is a clear view on the way forward. I thought that there was, but there seem to still be some with concerns. I personally don't want to have two groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups earlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there were lots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups offering. Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Groups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing what the preference is for the way forward. For those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of course have to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can exercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish). The detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow: Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the rsgb_lf_group group: Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, how do you want to continue? o With the Yahoo! Groups list o With the Blacksheep.org list o Both lists To vote, please visit the following web page: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! 73 John, G3WKL --e89a8f5024ea41dacd04c191cbb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group v= ersion to see whether there is a clear view on the way forward. =A0I though= t that there was, but there seem to still be some with concerns. =A0 I pers= onally don't want to have two groups, which is why I didn't support= a move to Yahoo! Groups earlier; I thought from what I had read on the lis= t that there were lots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Gr= oups offering. =A0Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Gr= oups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing wha= t the preference is for the way forward. =A0

For those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of co= urse have to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can exerci= se your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish).

The detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as f= ollow:

<= div>
Enter your vote today! A new pol= l has been created for the
rsgb_lf_group group:
Now that you've had a= chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list,
how do you want to continue?

o With the Yahoo! Groups = list
o With the Blacksheep.org list
o Both lists


To vote, please visit the= following web page:
http:/= /uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=3D13140385

Note: Please do not reply= to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to = the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!


73 John, G3WKL
--e89a8f5024ea41dacd04c191cbb4-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B858B3800009C; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 06:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb7f8-0005c9-FD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:03:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb7f8-0005c0-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:03:54 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb7f6-0000cL-ER for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:03:52 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlIJAB42y09cF/B0/2dsb2JhbABFsncEgSSBCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDSQImBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBAQklFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh3UJqEeNDYsRToIsgxYDiA2FMJB+hlaCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,707,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="383058930" Received: from host-92-23-240-116.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.116]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 11:03:51 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01cd4170$2c0b19c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <5804C62C151B4755A82A3AA96D1B3749@JimPC> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:03:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jim They all went to Yahoo like a Flock of Sheep with no advantage for the majority. Blacksheep reflector in conjunction with Dropbox for large atachments has worked very well. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:28 AM Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443988736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61894fcb36bf3b1f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jim They all went to Yahoo like a Flock of Sheep with no advantage for the majority. Blacksheep reflector in conjunction with Dropbox for large atachments has worked very well. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:28 AM Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep > Dear John, LF Groups > > --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "John" wrote: > > > > Am I right in thinking that most people have transitioned to the new group > > here, and that I can ask the sysop to delete the remaining addresses on > > the list? > > At the moment, there are two RSGB LF Groups, with postings that overlap but > are not the same. This is a confusing situation leaving you wondering which > group to send replies to, etc. So I think one or the other needs to be > deleted, I guess you have to delete the one that will upset the fewest > people... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 47F17380000A4; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgx4I-0003AG-7D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:57:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgx4H-0003A7-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:57:57 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sgx4G-0003Vc-5B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:57:56 +0100 Received: from IMAP1 (balancer7.mediabeam.com [10.100.1.80]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5JBvp8U018940; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:57:54 +0200 Received: from [192.168.178.33] ([37.4.36.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpa.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5JBvoFa002291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:57:51 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:57:53 +0200 From: DK1IS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear group, to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the MF-allocation in Germany which I´ve got today via email from our authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). 73 and cul on MF! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: cbf9d9751ac5f32708197d03fa6d8d74 Subject: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060508090908070304020305" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81586 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:336417472:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fe069b64814 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060508090908070304020305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtpa.mediabeam.com id q5JBvoFa002291 Dear group, to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the=20 MF-allocation in Germany which I=C2=B4ve got today via email from our=20 authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). 73 and cul on MF! 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan The only two real radio amateur stations that are on frequently on LF with World wide communications experience are G3KEV and DK7FC but we have not been consulted. Those shouting loudest for Yahoo are not even active of LF or MF so that leaves 2 of us and 153 others so what is their experience and knowledge. I want to see a democratic vote on both Blacksheep and Yahoo with callsigns to see who has the credentials to make this final decision. If anyone else knows different let us know. There are several DX stations world wide who are DXing but I am often in contact by direct email and do not need any reflector. I can do without it as I do on daily HF activities, it is certainly no hinderance. Blacksheep has been useful but not essential Please contact me on direct email if you need information or skeds on LF/MF This discussion seems to be amongst a few subscribers why are there 150 members with nothing to say. It seems odd to me !! g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: d0d76c369792b807e0925732d18ad9b1 Subject: LF: Re: general Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0128_01CD427B.54F47550" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:496796256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fccf70850c5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01CD427B.54F47550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan The only two real radio amateur stations that are on frequently on LF = with World wide communications experience are G3KEV and DK7FC but we = have not been consulted. Those shouting loudest for Yahoo are not even active of LF or MF so = that leaves 2 of us and 153 others so what is their experience=20 and knowledge.=20 I want to see a democratic vote on both Blacksheep and Yahoo with = callsigns to see who has the credentials to make this final decision. If anyone else knows different let us know. There are several DX stations world wide who are DXing but I am often in = contact by direct email and do not need any reflector. I can do without it as I do on daily HF activities, it is certainly no = hinderance. Blacksheep has been useful but not essential Please contact me on direct email if you need information or skeds on = LF/MF This discussion seems to be amongst a few subscribers why are there 150 = members with nothing to say. It seems odd to me !! g3kev =20 ----- Original Message - From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:43 PM Subject: LF: general Dear LF group, In the last few weeks, very sad things happened. We can't screw the = time back. But a significant damage of closeness of the group happened = i'm afraid. First members unsubscribed completely. For what? MORE? Is = that more? It's a SHAME! Maybe the "people in power" begin to realise what is happening here. I do not want to take part in the discussion any longer. All the = statements, worries, ideas, objections and appeals have been clearly = formulated, many times! Amateur radio work on 137 kHz and below 9 kHz was a very nice time and = work for me in the last 2.5 years. This wouldn't have been possible = without this group. Thank you for that! I hope we can go on together in some time. 73! Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01CD427B.54F47550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Stefan
The only two real radio amateur stations that = are on=20 frequently on LF with World wide communications experience are = G3KEV=20 and DK7FC but we have not been consulted.
Those shouting loudest for Yahoo  are = not even=20 active of LF or MF so that leaves 2 of us and 153 others so what is = their=20 experience
and knowledge.
I want to see  a democratic vote on both = Blacksheep=20 and Yahoo with callsigns to see who has the credentials to make this = final=20 decision.
If anyone else knows different let us = know.
There are several DX stations world wide who are = DXing but=20 I am often in contact by direct email and do not need any=20 reflector.
I can  do without it as I do on daily =  HF=20 activities, it is certainly no hinderance.
Blacksheep has been useful but not essential
Please contact me on direct email if you = need=20 information or skeds on LF/MF
This discussion seems to be amongst a few = subscribers why=20 are there 150 members with nothing to say. It seems odd to me = !!
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 3:43 PM
Subject: LF: general

Dear LF group,

In the last few weeks, very sad = things=20 happened. We can't screw the time back. But a significant damage of = closeness=20 of the group happened i'm afraid. First members unsubscribed = completely. For=20 what? MORE? Is that more? It's a SHAME!

Maybe the "people in = power"=20 begin to realise what is happening here.

I do not want to = take part=20 in the discussion any longer. All the statements, worries, ideas,=20 objections and appeals have been clearly formulated, many=20 times!

Amateur radio work on 137 kHz and below 9 kHz was a very = nice=20 time and work for me in the last 2.5 years. This wouldn't have been = possible=20 without this group. Thank you for that!
I hope we can go on = together in=20 some time.

73! Stefan/DK7FC

------=_NextPart_000_0128_01CD427B.54F47550-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 28026380001A3; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg044-0001Hu-L0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:57:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg044-0001Hl-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:57:48 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg042-0003v5-Oc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:57:47 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews06.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.173]) by cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:57:46 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.24]) by cpsps-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:57:45 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:57:45 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:57:45 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2012 20:57:45.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE052230:01CD4C02] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ. And stop when your CQ starts again. There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.15 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452860864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844fdcf3730479 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ. And stop when your CQ starts again. There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5. Jan/pa3abk On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote: > Stefan, > > Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? > > At te mom you are becoming better. > > > > Jan/pa3abk > > On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Schfer wrote: >> MF, >> >> Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band >> filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an >> overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX >> performs much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see >> several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field >> signal. >> >> My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look >> for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters >> in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth >> a try. >> >> Starting now! >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 10C0E3800008F; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skd1D-00022L-TP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:21:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skd1D-00022C-IH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:21:59 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skd1C-0005N7-14 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:21:58 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5TFLvlr014101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:21:57 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5TFLuEe032404 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:21:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEDC7A2.9060903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:20:02 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 36d47b28361eae8203bb4b7ac61fa630 Subject: LF: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:358531264:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fedc8625215 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 990A7380000A1; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd6Nu-0002BN-He for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:06:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd6Nt-0002BE-Oe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:06:17 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd6Nq-0001BO-S4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:06:16 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q58L6Dd9021240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q58L6Dkf032390 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:04:39 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mike, LF The grabber is running now. We have WLAN on the camping yard :-) I'm running the ferrite antenna and netbook INSIDE my car! It's quite stormy and i want to stay with the others arround the fire for some time. However the RX is running and i hope the upload will be stable. I just stopped the beacon so my noiseblanker can work properly. Try if you can make a signal coming through at [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 66d07794ca19cd68f7d6cc289cd4ac18 Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:396463904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554fd269a16b7a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Mike, LF The grabber is running now. We have WLAN on the camping yard :-) I'm running the ferrite antenna and netbook INSIDE my car! It's quite stormy and i want to stay with the others arround the fire for some time. However the RX is running and i hope the upload will be stable. I just stopped the beacon so my noiseblanker can work properly. Try if you can make a signal coming through at http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html Jpg upload via dropbox out of the car ;-) Tomorrow when the QRN is low we may try a QSO. The K9AY antenna i tried is not suitable but maybe i can find the preamp somewhere in all the radio stuff i'm carrying arround here all the time ;-) 73! Stefan/DK7FC Am 08.06.2012 15:25, schrieb Mike Dennison: > Stefan, > > I can offer a sked, but what sort of transmission do you want? > > Your CW sigs are very good again today with less static - see the > picture on my new activity blog: http://g3xdv.blog.com > The picture shows DCF39 only a little stronger than you - this is > rubbish of course, as that station was leaking round my CW filter. > > 73 de Mike > ======== > > > >> Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and >> experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and >> shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ >> (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49FV26GJ). If someone of the >> others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some >> images to >> http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html >> Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I >> will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 764EA3800008C; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sasy7-0000ef-M6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:22:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sasy7-0000eW-5j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:22:31 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sasy5-0006jz-E4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:22:30 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d08 with ME id HWNS1j0050Lx2rm03WNSXu; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:22:28 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:22:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes , The PC com-port is one of the keying options , with the txd/dtr/rxd being selectable , two com ports may be selected , to allow for station tx/rx and data keying ( I think the same port can be selected twice with different txd/dtr/rxd options selected for each function) Gary may use this ?) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452092960:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41164fca5a1973a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes , The PC com-port is one of the keying options , with the txd/dtr/rxd being selectable , two com ports may be selected , to allow for station tx/rx and data keying ( I think the same port can be selected twice with different txd/dtr/rxd options selected for each function) Gary may use this ?) The other option is the conventional audio/Rf translation by way of SSB Tx , using usb , the audio / carrier frequency using this facility is placed by a scanning routine in the lowest s/n part of the audio band in use , to prevent collisions etc. com-port keying , is as per normal vfo/dds operation , ensuring the carrier is placed to coincide with the appropriate rx audio pass band , when the Rx is set usb at the normal operating qrg . G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:38 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: Opera... > PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX line > (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? > > 73, Stefan > > Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Schfer: >> G.., LF, >> >> What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? >> What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E0CF9380000A6; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiBSU-00080S-7L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:32:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiBST-00080J-J4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:32:01 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiBSS-0002SR-1k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:32:00 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5MLVwBj012406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:31:58 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5MLVwvt025968 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:31:58 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE4E3E2.8030209@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:30:10 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4E6E0AD4.4838.465714@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <1315833746.18312.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Daniele, I think the others have already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ). But what i want to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio call? I've never heared from it so far. Or is it new? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050703030109020807070905" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:367802560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4fe4e4a80c3c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050703030109020807070905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele, I think the others have already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ). But what i want to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio call? I've never heared from it so far. Or is it new? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 22.06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tincani: > > 73 > Daniele IZ5WWB --------------050703030109020807070905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele,

I think the others have already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ).
But what i want to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio call? I've never heared from it so far. Or is it new?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 22.06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tincani:

73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 
--------------050703030109020807070905-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 292943800008B; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbAsR-0007fN-Vh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:29:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbAsR-0007fE-IK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:29:51 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbAsP-0001Rf-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:29:50 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.198]) by mwinf5d15 with ME id HpVo1j0054GZQLJ03pVopg; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:29:49 +0200 Message-ID: <9A8E94DF47AD4F878771C75FBE4D403C@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <5804C62C151B4755A82A3AA96D1B3749@JimPC> <001b01cd4170$2c0b19c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001b01cd4170$2c0b19c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:29:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-0, 03/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well yes , but think of the advantages Mal .. Cloud storage, cross posting , hyper text linking , search engines , meta-data tagging , key word searching .... You could achieve immortality with the 'Thoughts of Chair-person Mal' spread across the known world and beyond.. [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE X-Scan-Signature: c9d6a1e47761f7ec7375ac340bef30d0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435283904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b4fcb6719581e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Well yes , but think of the advantages Mal .. Cloud storage, cross posting , hyper text linking , search engines , meta-data tagging , key word searching .... You could achieve immortality with the 'Thoughts of Chair-person Mal' spread across the known world and beyond.. Actually , not totally convinced that's a good thing for the image , may be flash emails are more suited ? G : )) -------------------------------------------------- From: "mal hamilton" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:03 AM To: Subject: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep > Jim > They all went to Yahoo like a Flock of Sheep with no advantage for the > majority. Blacksheep reflector in conjunction with Dropbox for large > atachments has worked very well. > > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:28 AM > Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep > > >> Dear John, LF Groups >> >> --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "John" wrote: >> > >> > Am I right in thinking that most people have transitioned to the new > group >> > here, and that I can ask the sysop to delete the remaining addresses on >> > the list? >> >> At the moment, there are two RSGB LF Groups, with postings that overlap > but >> are not the same. This is a confusing situation leaving you wondering > which >> group to send replies to, etc. So I think one or the other needs to be >> deleted, I guess you have to delete the one that will upset the fewest >> people... >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1A89C38000088; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfrsx-00066E-IQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:13:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfrsw-000665-Vr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:13:46 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfrsu-0001nZ-Mi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:13:45 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d64 with ME id P0Dj1j00C4U6hVe030DjfG; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:13:44 +0200 Message-ID: <41BE479FDCA34849AB39CA9730517400@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> <1339767393.38173.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <6127C0D605D3463B803A5D57D87FEC56@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:13:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Geri The Opera mode , transmits only a single on/off carrier , the same as CW or QRS, the TX is a serial data stream. Tx can be via the windows based software ., with com-port CW drive , Audio as in say psk31 etc or by SDR [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: d4b11820086e28e9e085cef3e7768d06 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4BC1.DADBC660" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:414443072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fdc78b16bee X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4BC1.DADBC660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geri The Opera mode , transmits only a single on/off carrier , the = same as CW or QRS, the TX is a serial data stream. Tx can be via the windows based software ., with com-port CW = drive , Audio as in say psk31 etc or by SDR =20 PIC code is available to enable a PIC based keying system , = the PIC would be Beacon - only , the software also has the QSO = mode , where 'any' 15 chrs can be sent at each tx =20 RX , is 'only' possible using the windows software , and can be = audio from soundcard , or by SDR=20 The RX , has 2 audio bands , one for each mode , each 200 = Hz wide , multi / simultaneous decodes are possible in each mode = , within the 200 Hz pass band=20 QSO 1200 / 1600 Hz Becn 1600 / 1800 Hz=20 So , for VFO control of the TX , then the carrier must be = placed to fall inside the required pass band , as the system uses = 'usb''dial' as the definition of the 'qrg' then for beacon = mode , 1601 to 1799 Hz would need to be added (better not at the = band edges for tolerance may drop signal out the pass band) , = normally say 1700 Hz would place you in the centre of the pass = band=20 If the Audio drive from the software is used , then the carrier = frequency will be placed inside the relative pass band , by = checking for the best s/n 'spot' , this is completed by the Rx = routine , prior to Tx and takes a snap-shot , main function to reduce = collisions and avoid carriers etc=20 So .......... If used by VFO , then the system is sopt frequency = , 2.5 Hz b/w . ............If the carrier placement / audio tx drive is used, = then the maximum allocated B/W needed is 200 Hz for each = mode , with maximum Tx qrg of + 1800 Hz from the dial-set - = usb =20 73 -G. From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:44 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? What are the actual frequencies that are then occupied by OPERA? As long = as it is guaranteed that it's all below 2000 Hz above the dial = frequency, 477 sounds like a good plan as a start.=20 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Up to now , 477 is the only frequency on offer ? G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? I'd go with that Albert. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Albert To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4BC1.DADBC660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Geri
 
The  Opera  mode  ,  transmits  only  = a =20 single  on/off   carrier  , the  same as  = CW =20 or  QRS,   the  TX is a  serial  = data =20 stream.
 
Tx  can  be  via the  windows  based = software .,=20 with  com-port  CW   drive , Audio  as in  = say  psk31 etc   or  by  SDR  
 
PIC  code  is  available to  enable   = a =20 PIC based   keying  system  , the  PIC = would =20 be  Beacon - only  , the  software  also  has = the =20 QSO  mode , where  'any'  15 chrs   can be = sent =20 at  each  tx 
 
RX  , is  'only' possible  using  the  = windows=20 software  , and can  be   audio  = from  =20 soundcard , or by  SDR
 
The   RX , has   2   audio  = bands =20 , one  for  each  mode  , each  200  Hz = wide =20 ,  multi / simultaneous   decodes  are  = possible =20 in each  mode , within the  200 Hz  pass  band =
 
QSO    1200 / 1600  Hz
Becn    1600 / 1800  Hz
 
So  , for  VFO  control  of the  TX , = then =20 the  carrier  must  be  placed  to  = fall =20 inside the  required pass  band  , as the system  = uses =20 'usb''dial'  as the  definition  of the  = 'qrg'  =20 then   for  beacon   mode  ,   = 1601 to=20 1799  Hz would need  to  be added (better not at the band = edges=20 for tolerance may  drop signal  out the  pass = band) ,=20 normally    say  1700 Hz would  place  you = in=20 the  centre of the  pass  band
 
If the  Audio  drive  from the  software  = is =20 used , then the  carrier  frequency  will  be =20 placed  inside the  relative pass  band  , by =20 checking  for the  best s/n  'spot'  , this  is = completed by the  Rx routine , prior to  Tx and takes a =20 snap-shot , main function  to reduce collisions and  avoid = carriers=20 etc
 
So .......... If  used   by  VFO , then  = the =20 system  is  sopt frequency  , 2.5 Hz  b/w .
 
............If  the  carrier  placement  / = audio =20 tx drive  is  used, then  the  maximum allocated=20    B/W needed   is   200 Hz  for  = each =20 mode  , with   maximum   Tx  qrg =20 of   + 1800  Hz  from  the  dial-set - = usb =20
 
 
73 -G.

From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW =
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:44 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

What are the actual frequencies that = are then=20 occupied by OPERA? As long as it is guaranteed that it's all below 2000 = Hz above=20 the dial frequency, 477 sounds like a good plan as a start. =
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 1:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera = QRG for=20 472 Khz Band ??

Up to now , 477 is the  only  frequency   on = offer=20 ?
 
G.

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

I'd go with that Albert.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Albert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, 15 = June 2012,=20 10:54
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

G,

Just = to start=20 the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz.

73,=20 = Albert





------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4BC1.DADBC660-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C093D380000B0; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiSOm-0001yv-8c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:37:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiSOl-0001ym-IW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:37:19 +0100 Received: from smtp-out11.han.skanova.net ([195.67.226.200]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiSOj-0006MS-Nm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:37:18 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.37] (217.211.186.120) by smtp-out11.han.skanova.net (8.5.133) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4FA80EAF0104A088 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:37:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE5E2B1.90704@telia.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:37:21 +0200 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4E6E0AD4.4838.465714@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <1315833746.18312.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Daniele, you may get some inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier design. http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-active-sm-loop-antenna.htm [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [195.67.226.200 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 4ad5f3f1a9241b934aaa5d0e23c9dc57 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493831776:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d94fe5e2eb155c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Daniele, you may get some inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier design. http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-active-sm-loop-antenna.htm 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Daniele Tincani wrote: > so what I would appreciate some suggestions about > is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in > air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1D9D63800009A; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Se3CQ-0005zv-P9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:54:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Se3CQ-0005zm-6s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:54:22 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Se3CO-0003Ss-C7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:54:21 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5BBsJs2004926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:54:19 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5BBsI6L004372 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:54:18 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD5DC0A.6040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:52:42 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <169445B98101449D93BF2125A7343EF1@lindavideo> In-Reply-To: <169445B98101449D93BF2125A7343EF1@lindavideo> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Ken, Recently i have discovered a very nice to read paper in the web. Current mode class D PAs are described. The basics are well explained as well as how to calculate the power from the supply voltage (ideal and real). I think this is a good choice for a class D PA on 137 and 500 kHz... Hope this helps a bit. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c95b9a52470b89d54f2ef38e923e05cb Subject: Re: LF: Class d & E PAs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080701060907070204030804" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:493809408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4fd5dcbb6f78 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080701060907070204030804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Ken, Recently i have discovered a very nice to read paper in the web. Current mode class D PAs are described. The basics are well explained as well as how to calculate the power from the supply voltage (ideal and real). I think this is a good choice for a class D PA on 137 and 500 kHz... Hope this helps a bit. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: http://sigma.ucsd.edu/research/articles/2001/2001_2.pdf PPS: A class E PA is a nice circuit but needs a very accurate SWR and construction can be a bit tricky. However i built one for 1 kW on 137 kHz at 80 VDC with 96% efficiency by using a single IRFP360... Am 10.06.2012 22:28, schrieb Ken: > > Dear All. > > Thank you for your help on the DECCA info, so far I have not tried a > Class D or E PA , my 500kHz TX having a power MOSFET in pseudso Class > C, with Class D & E how is the PA output impedance calculated, for the > output transformer, would it be permitted to use either a Pi or L-C_L > (as I have done) to match the PA to the variometer and loading coil? . > > 73s > > Ken > > M0KHW > --------------080701060907070204030804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Ken,

Recently i have discovered a very nice to read paper in the web. Current mode class D PAs are described. The basics are well explained as well as how to calculate the power from the supply voltage (ideal and real). I think this is a good choice for a class D PA on 137 and 500 kHz...
Hope this helps a bit.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: http://sigma.ucsd.edu/research/articles/2001/2001_2.pdf
PPS: A class E PA is a nice circuit but needs a very accurate SWR and construction can be a bit tricky. However i built one for 1 kW on 137 kHz  at 80 VDC with 96% efficiency by using a single IRFP360...

Am 10.06.2012 22:28, schrieb Ken:

Dear All.

Thank you for your help on the DECCA info, so far I have not tried a Class D or E PA , my 500kHz TX having a power MOSFET in pseudso Class C, with Class D & E how is the PA output impedance calculated, for the output transformer, would it be permitted to use either a Pi or L-C_L (as I have done) to match the PA to the variometer and loading coil? .

 

73s

 

Ken

 

M0KHW

--------------080701060907070204030804-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6405C380000A5; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh8dB-0007iv-UQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:18:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh8dB-0007im-EU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:18:45 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh8d9-0007PW-MZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:18:44 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.187]) by mwinf5d03 with ME id QQJi1j00242DYwa03QJize; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:18:42 +0200 Message-ID: <9B4CD307888B409EAFAA6B44319D82F9@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <001301cd4e5b$49a430a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE10D99.2030003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE10D99.2030003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:18:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: I think lots of people would like a G3kev BBQ , : )) A real Ae ? simply defined by the qth you have , at gb4fpr we used a 700 ft wire over salt water , with 600 ft delta counterpoise , I use a 40 ft vertical with wire top section in a 40 x 20 ft garden , Gary has a similar array with a umbrella top capacity hat , but in all back-plot Ae's the earth is more important than the wire above the ground [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4998b3eda037fec4e885bebc9a2db934 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0161_01CD4E82.A1298420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:428950144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fe1170e2709 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0161_01CD4E82.A1298420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think lots of people would like a G3kev BBQ , : )) A real Ae ? simply defined by the qth you have , at gb4fpr = we used a 700 ft wire over salt water , with 600 ft delta = counterpoise , I use a 40 ft vertical with wire top section in = a 40 x 20 ft garden , Gary has a similar array with a umbrella = top capacity hat , but in all back-plot Ae's the earth is more = important than the wire above the ground =20 G. =20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:39 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW.=20 HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is = what they sleep on as a bed. ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left = with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus = other things. Move to the countryside for quality of life Oh is this an invitation? :-) All the reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would have = enough area for us all. Which day do you suggest. And please can we get a tutorial how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, = i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-) de dk7fc for example at a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in the = city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe the tail In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ tripe, black sausage = and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be = prepared!! Meanwhile back to MF es LF, I am now CQ on 502 but search the band = and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0161_01CD4E82.A1298420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think lots of  people  would  like  a =20 G3kev  BBQ , : ))
 
A real  Ae  ?  simply   defined  by = the =20 qth  you  have  , at  gb4fpr  we  = used =20 a  700  ft  wire  over  salt  water  = ,=20 with  600 ft  delta  counterpoise ,  I use  = a =20 40  ft  vertical with   wire  top  section = in=20 a   40 x  20 ft  garden , Gary has a similar = array =20 with a  umbrella  top  capacity hat , but  in = all =20 back-plot Ae's  the  earth is more  important  than=20 the  wire  above the  ground 
 
G.  

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034


Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
Stefan
You city folks are getting confused between = HAY and=20 STRAW.
HAY is what animals EAT,  mostly cattle, = sheep and=20 Horses STRAW is what they sleep on as a bed.
ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this = is what=20 you are left with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for = example=20 plus other things.

Move to the countryside for = quality of=20 life
Oh is this an invitation? :-)
All the = reflector=20 members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would have enough area for = us all.=20 Which day do you suggest.

And please can we get a tutorial how to = build a=20 real LF/MF/VLF system, i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-)

de=20 dk7fc


for example at a BBQ country = folks roast a=20 whole steer whereas in the city/town you have to settle for a sausage = and=20 maybe the tail
In Liverpool they are very particular and = BBQ =20 tripe, black sausage and pig squeal. Graham will have more = details, if=20 you go there be prepared!!
Meanwhile back to MF es LF,  I am now CQ = on 502 but=20 search the band and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz = spectrum
 
de g3kev
 
 

------=_NextPart_000_0161_01CD4E82.A1298420-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 366E238000095; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 02:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sk8Jq-00048v-TQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:35:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sk8Jq-00048m-33 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:35:10 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sk8Jo-0007XB-KR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:35:08 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: E2A391280DC.A0FF6 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A391280DC for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:35:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFF9220041 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:35:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::a470:76b3:406d:2b1a%27]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:35:04 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Thread-Index: AQHNVLVvT1lBO+I1rUqNFPjXeBH7jZcPRkhY Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:35:04 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.13] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1ICTSSMBX5lunaku_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:352825696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4febfb747e35 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a sche= matic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If someone= is interested i may convert the ci= rcuit from my mind into a s= chematic as a png file.

 

Always interested ;-)

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T<= a>

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------=_NextPart_000_009C_01CD464E.3C1FE8D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 91F73380000A5; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbDZJ-0001w6-7G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:22:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbDZI-0001vx-Oo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:22:16 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbDZF-0002MZ-VX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:22:15 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.16.140]) by mwinf5d30 with ME id HsND1j00431K0Qa03sNDZ1; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:22:13 +0200 Message-ID: <5FFD3C35278A4F6995C5F9956195BE4D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FCB7397.8020204@legal-medicine.de> <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> <164B7EE5728F48A7AA05606D10EA5C70@IBM7FFA209F07C> In-Reply-To: <164B7EE5728F48A7AA05606D10EA5C70@IBM7FFA209F07C> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:22:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: R..Chris Yes , data immortality is part of the internet 'concept' as the libel cases show, its very difficult to erase any posting , once they have been archived in un-controlled areas of the web ... if I type g0nbd into Google I get About 8,190 results ..eek [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 21e2055b299bd63ed331c37c8a3e15ca Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=GET_STARTED_NOW, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:462941696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fcb8f750e3c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none R..Chris Yes , data immortality is part of the internet 'concept' as the libel cases show, its very difficult to erase any posting , once they have been archived in un-controlled areas of the web ... if I type g0nbd into Google I get About 8,190 results ..eek The road to hell is paved with good intent ... problem is the technology is part of the hobby , so the battles of valves V transistors , cw V data , and now we have ftp V html ....all have there respective camps , Now if it where a interest group for say Steam Traction engines, then the html would win the day and very soon be filled with pictures of 'things' making steam ... Classic case of .... 'if its not broken , don't try and fix it' or Alligators and swamps may be hi G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:46 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > Yes Graham, quite right. I would not join just to vote then try to remove > my information. I have had this problem in the past and don't want it > again - you think you have done everything to delete your details from a > group, and they tell you it is so, but strangely you still keep receiving > messages, invites and so on. It seems you can never totally erase account > details, whatever they might say. > This whole situation is most unsatisfactory and very annoying. > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > > >> Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo >> group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , >> so this should exclude your vote from the poll .... >> >> G. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "pws" >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement >> >>> John, >>> >>> You wrote: >>>> ... >>>> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >>>> how do you want to continue? >>>> >>>> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >>>> o With the Blacksheep.org list >>>> o Both lists >>>> >>>> >>>> To vote, please visit the following web page: >>>> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 >>> >>> I got what expected: >>> """ >>> To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable Web >>> Access. >>> >>> With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, links, >>> message archive search, and more! >>> >>> Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group >>> >>> If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web >>> Access and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. >>> >>> To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". >>> >>> Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? >>> If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now. >>> """ >>> >>> No, thanks! >>> I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. That's all. >>> >>> Peter, df3lp >>> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8E1D338000105; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfG6G-00087V-U8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:53:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfG6G-00087M-68 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:53:00 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfG6E-0002Pf-ME for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:52:59 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlkNAD9A2k9cHYui/2dsb2JhbABFg0GcKQOUIgOBLIEIghMUAQEDSQIsAggCAQYBAhs5AQQaBggcHQECAgEBh36YVqE6jAeFPAOIDoUyl12CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,412,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="394778298" Received: from host-92-29-139-162.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.139.162]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jun 2012 20:52:55 +0100 Message-ID: <009101cd4a67$4a708f30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:52:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I use a 'scope and signal generator in series with the loading coil and antenna to resonate. It works fb, spot on every time mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b2000330e4064ca60a9f57e731b892da Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494998208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fe9af333770 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I use a 'scope and signal generator in series with the loading coil and antenna to resonate. It works fb, spot on every time mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt OK. I recommend to use an RF amperemeter to find the resonance. An analog one of course. That makes resonating a fun, very comfortable. Also you can easily calculate the losses if the RF power is known. Remember: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/VLF/VLFcoil.jpg 73, Stefan Am 26.06.2012 12:10, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > I have calculated that I need 150 mH loading coil for 9 Khz. I have already > resonated the antenna using some ferrite core inductors and can hear it > singing at 9 khz with the low power signal generator. > I have started a big TX coil but need to finish it. I can RX well on the > band. > > 73 de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Schfer" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > > > Yes, in any way it would be nice again to put some focus on VLF. It's a > long time ago i regularly monitored my own VLF grabber > (http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html). > > Looks like SAQ has tuned up today for a time arround 10 UTC. The Alphas > are OFF again and the noise is maybe 10 dB higher than in winther, as a > maximum. I do not change the brightness between summer and winther. > > Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? > > How long does it take to get a full decode in that mode and what is the > content of the decoded message? If 4 H means 4 hours and the content is > a full callsign and locator (about like in WOLF) then maybe it can be > compared with DFCW-120? If so, i guess the range of a 1 mW ERP station > will be below 100 km, if conds are good (i.e. no QRN and during the gap > in the morning which is arround 8...11 UTC) and the RX is is typical. > > We know that no digimode can do miracles. However we often saw stations > just transmitting a few dashes. If these dashes will satisfy all, it > would be fine. > > Due to other projects (ah, i remember, it was the LF DX to VK times) i > stopped the local VLF experiments with the LOPT transformer. Also is > showed me that there is no real alternative to an air coil if a serious > ERP is goal. That was clear in advance but the proof was clearer than i > thought. > > As i write these lines, a small VLF flame starts to burn again. But > there is the MF project on the table as well... > > What about all the other VLF transmitting stations? We have been 7 > (OK2BVG, OE3GHB, DF6NM, G3XIZ, DJ8WX, OE5ODL, PA3CPM, DK7FC) who passed > distances above 1 Lambda. Did i forget someone? > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 26.06.2012 00:39, schrieb Graham: > >> Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of >> the UK as well ! >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Stefan Schfer" >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >> >> >>> Mal, >>> >>> Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: >>> >>>> Stefan >>>> This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the >>>> Dreamers band. >>>> >>> Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due >>> to your higher antenna C and mains availability. >>> You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. >>> >>> >>>> I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with >>>> other >>>> persuits at present. >>>> >>>> >>> Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large >>> tube. 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul >>> Nicholsons grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very >>> helpful for the first tests! >>> >>> 73, Stefan >>> >>> >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Stefan Schfer" >>>> To: >>>> Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM >>>> Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> VLF, >>>>> >>>>> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >>>>> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >>>>> Darmstadt, >>>>> http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run >>>>> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >>>>> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >>>>> earthquake precursors. >>>>> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced >>>>> him to >>>>> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He >>>>> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU >>>>> resources >>>>> for that at the moment though. >>>>> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >>>>> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it >>>>> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even >>>>> in summer. >>>>> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF >>>>> event. >>>>> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June >>>>> 2012 >>>>> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to >>>>> extend it. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B42D38000093; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SauSv-0001Yd-2m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:58:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SauSu-0001YU-K6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:58:24 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SauSs-00076v-M4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:58:23 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d27 with ME id HXyM1j0020Lx2rm03XyMeJ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:58:21 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <02F312E3BECE491093465DC96EAF847F@AGB> <4FCA6580.5050705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCA6580.5050705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 20:58:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Stefan , Cpu loading , I think its a try and see situation, differing motherboards / cpu's etc seem to have differing loading , I changed to a new m-board for my old P4 3.8 and the cpu load dropped by 25% ..... [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 39d0aa3a8a50eef73e9de70bcfcadb32 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454502784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fca708f5fc2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Ok Stefan , Cpu loading , I think its a try and see situation, differing motherboards / cpu's etc seem to have differing loading , I changed to a new m-board for my old P4 3.8 and the cpu load dropped by 25% ..... >>then how does the program know on which frequency I choose on the TX? Good question :) you can use any of the modes on any of the bands , as long as the rx is set the same .... all are the same on/off keying , time is used to set the s/n level , I think the 30 second version is optimised for hf>vhf , but will work on the lower bands First option ) If you use the CAT option then the band and qrg is pre-loaded , this mainly applies to the VHF/ HF bands Second ) Use the nominated frequency and use audio drive SSB tx/rx , then the system is auto configured , ie , I set my exciter to 500.00 usb and the Rx to 500.00 usb and use audio drive. Third) If you need to select your TX frequency and use com-port ptt drive , then the normal operation is to use a carrier off set , based on the USB dial set frequency , this enables remote monitoring stations to be on frequency and intercept below the noise signals . Depending on OP8 or OP32 , the carrier needs to be off set to ensure the correct audio frequency range at the Rx But , yes as in Pete's test to day , monitoring stations can simply re-tune to accommodate fixed Tx tests. this also happens when Joe vo1na uses OP on 507.77 ( fixed allocation) Distance OP8 , well I think that may be held by Gary g4wgt and Joe vo1na at 3500 Kmts , on 136 Khz Gary using 400 watts to a 12 mtr top loaded vertical , later Gary also decoding Joe. Quite regular decodes from ra3agc into the uk have been reported with inter Russian decodes 100% over land using OP8 mode and more recently , OP32 is being used , adding another -6 dB to the minimum decode level , Op8 -32 dB (-38wspr) OP32 -38 dB (-44 wspr) 73-G. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:12 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... > Hi G.., > > Am 02.06.2012 20:02, schrieb Graham: >> >> 136 is provided with two beacon speeds only , OP8 and OP32 , >> changing mode , changes the frequency band. monitoring is one >> speed only . > But if the PC simply keys the PTT then how does the program know on which > frequency i choose on the TX? So i could run any mode on any band, right? > What distances have been achieved with OP8 so far? > >> >> It is possible to simply run 2 Op sessions , one set to say OP8 >> and the other OP32 , or for other bands , one set to beacon , the >> other qso mode. > OK, understood. Well, 30% CPU load is very much for my PC since many SL > instances are running there permanently. But for some alternative > experiments, some time... I must admit the ease of simply steering the PTT > sounds good... > >> >> CPU loading , from recent posts > Single core 1.7 gig laptop with 2 gig >> ram and winxp >> >> (fujitsu siemens lifebook s series) is reported by dg9bfc as >> running ok, I find my old P4 3.2 ghz pc shows 25/35% cpu loading >> .. Eddie reports his 1.6GHz Atom Processor Sammy Netbook, is running >> Op no problems >> >> 73 -G.. > > R. 73, Stefan > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 72E2E38000088; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCMY-0000vc-LZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:05:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCMY-0000vT-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:05:02 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCMV-00020H-Vp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:05:01 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q53F4wAD021753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:04:59 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q53F4w0R021267 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:04:58 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB7CC1.6030803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:03:29 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Of course all those who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the poll. But there may be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo stuff". Those will have no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo poll it is advantaged to pro-yahoo in advance. Anyway i will subsrcibe and try to give my vote, as long as i don't need an extra yahoo account for that. It was easy to subscribe to the list but i'm afraid that taking part in a poll assumes to have a yahoo account. Then i cannot see the poll as really valid. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f0da950ecedac2a84ae70831926f1b39 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010804070605060709050203" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466760928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61874fcb7d527679 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010804070605060709050203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course all those who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the poll. But there may be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo stuff". Those will have no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo poll it is advantaged to pro-yahoo in advance. Anyway i will subsrcibe and try to give my vote, as long as i don't need an extra yahoo account for that. It was easy to subscribe to the list but i'm afraid that taking part in a poll assumes to have a yahoo account. Then i cannot see the poll as really valid. In that case, someone may have in mind that i vote for blacksheep. Two separate groups would be a bad compromise and they would always try to pull members from the other group to themselves. Anyway i would agree to such a compromise. On the blacksheep refelector we have been ONE GROUP, now we may loose a minority, maybe. For what? MORE MORE MORE Very sad! BTW *Please don't forget those who are not so familiar with the english language!* They may be very LF interested but can't follow the discussion and tell their opinion in an understandable way. *Minorities, but worth to think about!* Stefan/DK7FC Am 03.06.2012 15:57, schrieb John Gould: > I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is > a clear view on the way forward. I thought that there was, but there > seem to still be some with concerns. I personally don't want to have > two groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups > earlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there were > lots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups > offering. Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! > Groups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile > seeing what the preference is for the way forward. > > For those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of > course have to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can > exercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish). > > The detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow: > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > rsgb_lf_group group: > > Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, > how do you want to continue? > > o With the Yahoo! Groups list > o With the Blacksheep.org list > o Both lists > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > > > 73 John, G3WKL --------------010804070605060709050203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course all those who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the poll. But there may be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo stuff". Those will have no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo poll it is advantaged to pro-yahoo in advance.
Anyway i will subsrcibe and try to give my vote, as long as i don't need an extra yahoo account for that. It was easy to subscribe to the list but i'm afraid that taking part in a poll assumes to have a yahoo account. Then i cannot see the poll as really valid.

In that case, someone may have in mind that i vote for blacksheep.
Two separate groups would be a bad compromise and they would always try to pull members from the other group to themselves. Anyway i would agree to such a compromise.

On the blacksheep refelector we have been ONE GROUP, now we may loose a minority, maybe. For what? MORE MORE MORE
Very sad!

BTW Please don't forget those who are not so familiar with the english language! They may be very LF interested but can't follow the discussion and tell their opinion in an understandable way. Minorities, but worth to think about!

Stefan/DK7FC




Am 03.06.2012 15:57, schrieb John Gould:
I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is a clear view on the way forward.  I thought that there was, but there seem to still be some with concerns.   I personally don't want to have two groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups earlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there were lots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups offering.  Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Groups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing what the preference is for the way forward.  

For those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of course have to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can exercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish).

The detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow:


Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
rsgb_lf_group group:

Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list,
how do you want to continue?

o With the Yahoo! Groups list
o With the Blacksheep.org list
o Both lists


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!


73 John, G3WKL
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[77.21.14.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ie3sm13708988bkc.1.2012.06.16.13.46.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34831E7F34DD4A30A810FE695D5867DD@W1KW> From: "DK8KW & DI2BO" To: References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:46:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, I called you a few times but your signal was very weak (about 229 with QSB up to 339 at best). The air is very static tonight so so safe my ears I switched to OPERA (immeadiately got a report from G3XDV and DD7PC). We will try again another, more quiet night. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dk8kw.di2bo[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 11963a33d604c33786d8f1de94ce267f Subject: LF: Re: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD4C11.D4195F40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494200832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m003.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fdcf0cc05db X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD4C11.D4195F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, I called you a few times but your signal was very weak (about 229 with = QSB up to 339 at best). The air is very static tonight so so safe my = ears I switched to OPERA (immeadiately got a report from G3XDV and = DD7PC). We will try again another, more quiet night. Good luck, best 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz MF,=20 Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter = in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the = input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much = better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still = not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. My TX is ready as well. I will call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for = skeds! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the = RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try. 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Stefan,
 
I called you a few times but your = signal was very=20 weak (about 229 with QSB up to 339 at best). The air is very static = tonight so=20 so safe my ears I switched to OPERA (immeadiately got a report from = G3XDV and=20 DD7PC). We will try again another, more quiet night.
 
Good luck, best 73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 10:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: CW on 477.5 = kHz

MF,

Now my RX and active antenna is much better = after=20 adding a band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there = was an=20 overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX = performs=20 much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, = still=20 not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal.

My TX is = ready as=20 well. I will call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds! I = can=20 receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX already=20 attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a = try.

Starting=20 now!

73, Stefan/DK7FC
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD4C11.D4195F40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 98AED380000BB; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfA7y-00073B-JY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:30:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfA7y-000732-4R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:30:22 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfA7v-0000vV-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:30:21 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtsMAPvm2U9cF/A+/2dsb2JhbABFg0GcJwOPJ4R7A4ErgQiCExEDAQEDSQIsAggCAQYBAhkCJxIBAgEBGgYkGQQBAgIBAYd+mFOhMowHhTwDiA6FMnqBHpVFgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,410,1336345200"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="541655349" Received: from host-92-23-240-62.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.62]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jun 2012 14:30:14 +0100 Message-ID: <003f01cd4a31$d077d6a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:28:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Talking about valves. This is my latest PA contruction project for LF. G3KEV. photo 1 Talking about valves. This is my latest PA contruction project for LF. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_OBFU_JPG_ATTACH BODY: JPG attachment with generic MIME type 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 66fdf634ab910cf5e32d34345cb911bf Subject: LF: Emailing: valves 044 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD4A31.9229AC70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81510 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464533696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fd9e7e347ed X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD4A31.9229AC70 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD4A31.9229AC70" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD4A31.9229AC70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Talking about valves. This is my latest PA contruction project for LF. G3KEV. photo 1 ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD4A31.9229AC70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Talking about valves. This is my latest PA contruction project for=20 LF.
G3KEV.
 
photo 1
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Content preview: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 3:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: test > FL test > > > From: "Stefan Schäfer" > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:20 PM > To: > Subject: LF: test > >> >> > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.41.46.225 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 87966b345956c8ef3389b993f6a18f4e Subject: Re: LF: test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466968704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m012.1 ; domain : mail.dk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf4feddb9e436f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 3:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: test > FL test > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stefan Schfer" > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:20 PM > To: > Subject: LF: test > >> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2BEC0380000A0; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgxld-0003KM-GA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:42:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgxlc-0003KD-Vu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:42:44 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sgxla-0003ju-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:42:43 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W30 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 05:42:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group , RSGB Yahoo Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:42:40 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FDFA599.3050006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> ,<4FDFA599.3050006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2012 12:42:41.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[0419C8C0:01CD4E19] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, LF, OK, that's good. Just using my JRC Rx at the moment, I will need to modify my SoftRock SDR for the new band or build another sound card Rx like the 136kHz one I made from your idea. I was thinking that just a Xtal freq change in the SoftRock as it is already on 500kHz of if the band width of the SoftRock can be opened to cover down to 472kHz. At the moment I cannot extend the range of my 472kHz offering, only move the 2kHz segment around to where the activity is. A slot on my grabber will be allocated soon. 73, Gary - G4WGT. Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:03:05 +0200 From: Re: LF: Now again on 477.5 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.33 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 350b42a0642244046701ed1a68bf48aa Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cdcbd57b-ef97-44da-ac99-bb55b58c8922_" Subject: RE: LF: Now again on 477.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489197760:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad04fe0740068b4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_cdcbd57b-ef97-44da-ac99-bb55b58c8922_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan=2C LF=2C OK=2C that's good. Just using my JRC Rx at the moment=2C= I will need to modify my SoftRock SDR for the new band or build another so= und card Rx like the 136kHz one I made from your idea. I was thinking that = just a Xtal freq change in the SoftRock as it is already on 500kHz of if th= e band width of the SoftRock can be opened to cover down to 472kHz. At the = moment I cannot extend the range of my 472kHz offering=2C only move the 2kH= z segment around to where the activity is. A slot on my grabber will be all= ocated soon. 73=2C Gary - G4WGT. Date: Tue=2C 19 Jun 2012 00:03:05 +0200 From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Now again on 477.5 =20 Hi Gary=2C=20 Oh yes=2C it seems so :-) Very nice:-) Will you extend the displayed range of your MF grabber some day? That would be very useful. There is no grabber for the new MF band in the UK so far.=20 Unfortunately there is QRM today on 477.5 and so i'm now calling at 473.5... 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC Am 18.06.2012 19:07=2C schrieb Gary G4WGT: =20 Hi Stefan=2C LF=2C =20 So....was this you last night....found in my saved captures today. =20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15990181/477-479-1206172330.jpg =20 73=2C =20 Gary - G4WGT. =20 =20 > Date: Mon=2C 18 Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200 > From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Now again on 477.5 >=20 > MF=2C >=20 > Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy =20 > exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again=2C=20 > listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else=20 > wants to try. >=20 > Best 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC >=20 =20 =20 = --_cdcbd57b-ef97-44da-ac99-bb55b58c8922_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan=2C LF=2C
 =3B
OK=2C that's good.
 =3B
Just us= ing my JRC Rx at the moment=2C I will need to modify my SoftRock SDR for th= e new band or build another sound card Rx like the 136kHz one I made from y= our idea. I was thinking that just a Xtal freq change in the SoftRock as it= is already on 500kHz of if the band width of the SoftRock can be opened to= cover down to =3B472kHz.
 =3B
At the moment I cannot extend&= nbsp=3Bthe range of my 472kHz offering=2C only move the 2kHz segment around= to where the activity is. A slot on my grabber will be allocated soon.
=  =3B
73=2C
 =3B
Gary - G4WGT.
 =3B
Date: Tue=2C 19 Jun = 2012 00:03:05 +0200
From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de
To: r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Now again on 477.5

=20 Hi Gary=2C

Oh yes=2C it seems so :-) Very nice:-) Will you extend the displayed range of your MF grabber some day? That would be very useful. There is no grabber for the new MF band in the UK so far.

Unfortunately there is QRM today on 477.5 and so i'm now calling at 473.5...

73=2C Stefan/DK7FC

Am 18.06.2012 19:07=2C schrieb Gary G4WGT:
Hi Stefan=2C LF=2C

So....was this you last night....found in my saved captures today.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/159= 90181/477-479-1206172330.jpg

73=2C

Gary - G4WGT.

 =3B
>=3B Date: Mon=2C 18 Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200
>=3B From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de<= br> >=3B To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=3B Subject: LF: Now again on 477.5
>=3B
>=3B MF=2C
>=3B
>=3B Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy
>=3B exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again=2C >=3B listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else
>=3B wants to try.
>=3B
>=3B Best 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC
>=3B
= --_cdcbd57b-ef97-44da-ac99-bb55b58c8922_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DADAF38000082; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjtyx-0001LK-Lw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:16:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjtyx-0001LB-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:16:39 +0100 Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.97]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjtyv-0005Op-E8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:16:38 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5RFGViD027253 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:16:31 -0400 Received: from core-dld001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dld001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.165.1]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E2627E00008D for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:16:30 -0400 (EDT) References: <4EB9F9BF57C243B4AC853AECF32B69EE@uwePC> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4EB9F9BF57C243B4AC853AECF32B69EE@uwePC> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: f4dtl@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 36515 - BASIC Received: from 86.67.115.76 by webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.94) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:16:30 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF228EF6E75DBA-1AB4-15102@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [86.67.115.76] Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:16:30 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340810191; bh=Db62fuzuC2RL1ZQBaZjsDlJYHGoA+ppMz2tLQcl2+iA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JxBxcYCefcXPuRF3JgQG6Tg953V8BpYvz5lqYCppWms+87MY13qC5KrIYZ5AkSVGh ZIo65A5+qXohLslTYlhsMJY8qWDah57bCTepmjrOOHCyMf09MDahEgqRF+YRtSiNcM 8e4RAyJRPHwI5lDoPudNTKu6SFBkbTdW2DsDv8ec= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:359803424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Maybe the NDB "SA" from Darlowo Poland.  Nicolas F4DTL -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Uwe Wensauer <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de> A: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Envoyé le : Me, 27 Jun 2012 17:12 Sujet : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.91.97 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (f4dtl[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: 4f449c45f7b1894a9195a328eedaeb30 Subject: Re : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF228EF6F344A4_1AB4_519D7_webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:442067200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m246.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4feb240747ea X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF228EF6F344A4_1AB4_519D7_webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Maybe the NDB "SA" from Darlowo Poland. =C2=A0 Nicolas F4DTL -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Uwe Wensauer <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de> A: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Envoy=C3=A9 le : Me, 27 Jun 2012 17:12 Sujet : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Hi Who is it ? SA =C2=A0 Uwe dk1kq =C2=A0 ----------MB_8CF228EF6F344A4_1AB4_519D7_webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Maybe the NDB "SA" from Darlowo Poland.
 
Nicolas F4= DTL


-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : Uwe Wensauer <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de>
A: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Me, 27 Jun 2012 17:12
Sujet : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA"

Hi
Who is it ?
SA
 
Uwe dk1kq
 
----------MB_8CF228EF6F344A4_1AB4_519D7_webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D887B38170ACC; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SglGP-0001sO-Nd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:21:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SglGP-0001sF-AE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:21:41 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SglGN-0007lo-LW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:21:40 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5INLcYK017434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:21:38 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5INLc2Y008575 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:21:38 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDFB79A.1060802@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:19:54 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1340059039.25081.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340059039.25081.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mike, Thanks for the report! Well, the CQ call comes from the memory of my keyer (by DL4YHF) but the CW in a QSO is hand given. No PC in use for QSOs. Are you already QRV on 500? I could listen for you there. However i'm still at the beginning and have to do some improvements on the receive side. I'm also planning to be QRV from /p, RX wise. Yesterday i have extended the range of my active ferrite antenna. So now it covers LF and MF. See https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/LF%2BMF_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC on 473.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fdfb84c02e7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Mike, Thanks for the report! Well, the CQ call comes from the memory of my keyer (by DL4YHF) but the CW in a QSO is hand given. No PC in use for QSOs. Are you already QRV on 500? I could listen for you there. However i'm still at the beginning and have to do some improvements on the receive side. I'm also planning to be QRV from /p, RX wise. Yesterday i have extended the range of my active ferrite antenna. So now it covers LF and MF. See https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/LF%2BMF_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG :-) What antenna do you plan for /p? A full size dipole in a forrest will be interesting! I will prepare my 700m earth antenna to make such a dipole and see what the efficiency will be :-) 73, GL! Stefan/DK7FC Am 19.06.2012 00:37, schrieb Mike Thayne: > Hello Stefan > > I am hearing a very nice 559 signal of you calling CQ on 473.5khz at 2216utc tonight. No interference and nice hand sent morse from you. Using a miniwhip rx antenna. > I am looking forward to joining in the fun in January 2013 when we get access to the new band. > Small garden here so I will have to be /p to get a decent signal out, I learnt the lesson on 500khz! > > 73 > Mike Thayne > G3GMS > Whitley Bay IO95GB > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E002538000084; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh60i-0006Er-QK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:30:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh60i-0006Ei-D9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:30:52 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh60g-0006XJ-5y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:30:51 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.185]) by cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:30:48 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.20]) by cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:30:48 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:30:48 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:30:47 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2012 21:30:48.0527 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB205DF0:01CD4E62] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse Jan/pa3abk On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > just in case someone wants... > I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.15 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 4ad5f3f1a9241b934aaa5d0e23c9dc57 Subject: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486588992:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fe0efba2cb4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse Jan/pa3abk On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Schfer wrote: > just in case someone wants... > I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C522A38000093; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgEpg-0005dM-M2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:43:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgEpg-0005dD-0u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:43:56 +0100 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgEpe-0006k7-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:43:54 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120617124352.WKKJ14795.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:43:52 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120617124352.OKDT23925.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:43:52 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:43:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4FDDDF12.7289.582D18E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <4FDD2024.2080507@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <1339856589.169975917@f7.mail.ru>, <4FDD2024.2080507@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=gQQA6oKMn8SaJAct1MsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 17 Jun 2012 at 2:09, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > Ah, BTW, see that tiny little MF coil beside the LF coil!! LF is stil > the real hard stuff! :-) Yes, that's what we used to say when 136kHz came along. Easy compared to the 12mH coils we used on 73kHz! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.48 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 925300287489a1d7272e62b121c112aa Subject: Re: LF: rn3aus grabber online Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:249250272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4fddd143074b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none On 17 Jun 2012 at 2:09, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Ah, BTW, see that tiny little MF coil beside the LF coil!! LF is stil > the real hard stuff! :-) Yes, that's what we used to say when 136kHz came along. Easy compared to the 12mH coils we used on 73kHz! Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 57F5C380000F6; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si63h-0006Mm-Ec for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:46:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si63h-0006MW-1k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:46:05 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si63f-00076d-IM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:46:03 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIGAFyS5E9cF/ZW/2dsb2JhbABFg0GcVgOVSYEIgg8EFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEGAR05AQQaBiQdAQICAQGHfph0oTaRMAOIFIU2l2OCXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,459,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="376667395" Received: from host-92-23-246-86.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.86]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 2012 16:46:02 +0100 Message-ID: <004c01cd508e$1fe3bfd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:46:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lovely warm glow from a pair of 813's, 4-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With 100 watt heaters and K/volts on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could handle them safely. Transistors for the Appliance Operator, with no dangerous voltages to cause premature expiry!! g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: Valves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD508E.1F9EA080" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:352614176:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410d4fe493662432 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD508E.1F9EA080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lovely warm glow from a pair = of 813's, 4-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With 100 watt heaters and = K/volts on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could handle them = safely.=20 Transistors for the Appliance Operator, with no dangerous voltages to = cause premature expiry!! g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD508E.1F9EA080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lovely = warm glow=20 from a pair of 813's,  4-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With 100 = watt=20 heaters and K/volts on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could = handle them=20 safely.
Transistors for the Appliance Operator, =  with no=20 dangerous voltages to cause premature expiry!!
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD508E.1F9EA080-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0BA933800009A; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 05:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHdx-0005ox-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:07:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHdw-0005oo-Cd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:07:36 +0100 Received: from mail-ee0-f43.google.com ([74.125.83.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdHdt-0003HG-NG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:07:35 +0100 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50so2523052eek.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:07:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :x-gm-message-state; bh=90Frk3UU3Yx43O5CxAlpFdtDi4fXXiOI9p0BdoTsCIc=; b=HVCd93RNFqN7ngpuXNkUpAv3zg192xz2uEAPpah7tspzE2x9D0rUSqi4ZfVg8dE7TU 8RDyfXE25WRXcqcdGMlVd3uJyOIO3x0soG3l3Jh6bM2amo7QxAkYprLIwLXMcTFp8yLs /nUBJXKMaz+a3FzbL+gTo+oRjjWd0uh7tt03JwZNdn0veyAxA2je5dcY8J9TnivS6uPE AE3XOxS6SkpBDEAueh/n0wNadLSI6NdbN6yzmUjwwXrClowqsTArY58ECw44b/nIauQw 69+XbK/c15yM/BbKrRZOx3kYyoU6nLUPQJvBd4EO6JukGq3fFVE7kmRxs004ZlLYXi9k aQcw== Received: by 10.14.98.205 with SMTP id v53mr4586230eef.138.1339232852531; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.98.205 with SMTP id v53mr4586228eef.138.1339232852391; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Win7Pro (host86-155-18-158.range86-155.btcentralplus.com. [86.155.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t3sm30605064eeb.15.2012.06.09.02.07.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry GW0EZY To: References: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:07:29 +0100 Message-ID: <000001cd461f$4d2fef50$e78fcdf0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1GG92hoge1yvgfQ7Oe9/AD5qV1qgAAzBfA Content-Language: en-gb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlTAm4lnHahlJYy+xMIMvEX7jKVb9igc+VVcC+qKTGZTlAiwU5HUwYouCdh4g+ohafzab+FmKebhGLA07h3jC5cLvlG8w== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !! Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. 73 Terry [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.83.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fbdd513523001863775249cfaf215eac Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD4627.AEF45750" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:331863328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m405.1 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4fd3129a6f6d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD4627.AEF45750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !! Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40 To: rsgb Cc: rsgb Subject: LF: 136.5 now LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD4627.AEF45750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV = !!

 

Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579.

 

73 Terry

 

From:= = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40
To: = rsgb
Cc: rsgb
Subject: LF: 136.5 = now

 

LF

=

Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE = only, pse call

 

de = g3kev

 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD4627.AEF45750-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C3A7C38000095; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 05:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShGlv-0001Aq-9x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:00:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShGlu-0001Ah-OO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:00:18 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShGls-00015X-O6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:00:17 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwFAAWR4U9cHY/O/2dsb2JhbABFgkWDEpokA5VfgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDFjMCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiECAhQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYdsAw8HpiOJTSKJOYsuGgEMhGKBEgONR5djgl+BWAc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,443,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542421378" Received: from host-92-29-143-206.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.143.206]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2012 10:00:00 +0100 Message-ID: <004301cd4ec3$11af9000$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:59:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Horst One way forward is to become a class A licencee or alternatively upgrade the class E licence to class A This is what they did in the UK. They upgraded class B to class A as easy as that !! When you call an ex class B on cw he does not reply because he never learned morse code. There are so many different licences in the UK at present that I have lost track. It is a free for all now --- all good fun --- no Pirates any more, so easy to get a permit. [...] Content analysis details: (0.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 3df6620ae1cf83b986cf2fc02407da16 Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4EC3.1178C890" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452785728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4fe1916e4045 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4EC3.1178C890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Horst One way forward is to become a class A licencee or alternatively upgrade = the class E licence to class A This is what they did in the UK. They upgraded class B to class A as = easy as that !! When you call an ex class B on cw he does not reply = because he never learned morse code. There are so many different = licences in the UK at present that I have lost track. It is a free for all now --- all good fun --- no Pirates any more, so = easy to get a permit. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Horst St=C3=B6cker=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:54 AM Subject: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full = implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the = BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012? The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really? The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class E. = Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. 9W = ERP. Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. = As HAM with class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing. It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with one = Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now BNetzA) = remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with = every kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: = >250THz ist still allocated to class A AND E HAMs. Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the club! Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN) Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juni 2012 um 13:57 Uhr Von: DK1IS An: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams=20 Dear group, to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the=20 MF-allocation in Germany which I=C2=B4ve got today via email from our=20 authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). 73 and cul on MF! Tom, DK1IS JN59WK =20 Ihr WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App = f=C3=BCr iPhone und Android. =20 https://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4EC3.1178C890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Horst
One way forward is to become a class A licencee = or=20 alternatively upgrade the class E licence to class A
This is what they did in the UK. They upgraded = class B to=20 class A as easy as that !! When you call an ex class B on cw he does not = reply=20 because he never learned morse code. There are so many different = licences in the=20 UK at present that I have lost track.
It is a free for all now --- all good fun --- no = Pirates=20 any more, so easy to get a permit.
 
 
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Horst=20 St=C3=B6cker
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 = 7:54=20 AM
Subject: Aw: LF: Text of = MF-Allocation to=20 German Hams

Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full=20 implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the = BNetzA.=20 What was the maximum power in WRC2012?
The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really?
The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the = class E.=20 Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. = 9W ERP.=20 Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. As = HAM with=20 class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing.
It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But = with one=20 Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now = BNetzA)=20 remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with = every=20 kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: = >250THz=20 ist still allocated to class A AND E HAMs.
Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the=20 club!
Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN)

Gesendet: Dienstag, = 19. Juni=20 2012 um 13:57 Uhr
Von: DK1IS=20 = <DK1IS@kabelmail.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.c= o.uk,=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: Text of = MF-Allocation=20 to German Hams
Dear group,

to whom it may = concern: enclosed=20 please find the official text of the
MF-allocation in Germany = which I=C2=B4ve=20 got today via email from our
authorising agency = "Bundesnetzagentur"=20 (BNetzA).

73 and cul on MF!

Tom, = DK1IS
JN59WK


  

Ihr=20 WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App = f=C3=BCr iPhone=20 und Android.   
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------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD49B8.D623C150-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B08BE38000089; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3eC-0001aT-IF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:10:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3eC-0001aK-5Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:10:56 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd3eA-0000cz-E4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:10:55 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIJAGM/0k9cF/6o/2dsb2JhbABFigOoLnMEgS6BCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDSQImBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHdQm5GosmQoIlgxkDiA2FMZdbgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,377,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="37646553" Received: from host-92-23-254-168.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.168]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Jun 2012 19:10:53 +0100 Message-ID: <002201cd45a2$0a1cf1e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001301cd458c$d9c61db0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FD2274D.2080008@xs4all.nl> <000701cd459a$f8fdb8b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FD23981.9020104@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:04:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hi Albert I have worked all of these stations on CW and those that do not have a 500 permit they reply on 7033 Khz, real time QSO 73 gl de Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz OPERA activity [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492991392:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fd2406257b3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Albert I have worked all of these stations on CW and those that do not have a 500 permit they reply on 7033 Khz, real time QSO 73 gl de Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz OPERA activity > Hello Mal, > > Up to abt. 700 km it is no problem in the CW QSO mode but for stations > like IK1WVQ 1024km, RA3TTS 2523km, RN3AGC 2019km, UA1AVA 1640km and > others over 1000km OPERA or WSPR is the only convenient way to gather > some reports and create summer time DX-activity. > > 73, Albert PA0A > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 259ED3800009D; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg2XL-0002jo-M7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:36:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg2XL-0002je-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:36:11 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg2XJ-0004YK-1S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:36:10 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GNa8lW028150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:36:08 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GNa84D003777 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:36:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDD1802.1050203@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:34:26 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001d01cd4c11$9533fe20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001d01cd4c11$9533fe20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the first moment. I just didn't know that you are calling on 501... Am 17.06.2012 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > At last a QSO hi. > Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were 569 > solid copy with heavy QRN on the band. Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as long as the signals are still perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of amateur radio, all missed in QRSS... [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1908b49407fc556987226b536cc4bad0 Subject: Re: LF: qso dk7fc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080908030501000702040507" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:441351008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fdd18922e17 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080908030501000702040507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal, Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the first moment. I just didn't know that you are calling on 501... Am 17.06.2012 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > At last a QSO hi. > Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were 569 > solid copy with heavy QRN on the band. Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as long as the signals are still perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of amateur radio, all missed in QRSS... BTW: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/G3KEV.WAV (10MB, the mp3 converter does not work soemhow) Just have it in mind when you talk about my ears... Ah and BTW the reception was done by using a micro antenna, an active E field antenna that was hold out of the window, just 1 meter. The probe is a short variable length antenna from a UKW radio (allows experimenting with different probe length..) > At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. Glad to be your first CW > QSO on MF ...the first UK stn. The first ever was PA3ABK. > 73 es gl de mal/g3kev 73, QRQ, Stefan/DK7FC --------------080908030501000702040507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal,

Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the first moment. I just didn't know that you are calling on 501...

Am 17.06.2012 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton:
Stefan
At last a QSO hi.
Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were 569 solid copy with heavy QRN on the band.
Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as long as the signals are still perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of amateur radio, all missed in QRSS...

BTW:  https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/G3KEV.WAV  (10MB, the mp3 converter does not work soemhow) Just have it in mind when you talk about my ears... Ah and BTW the reception was done by using a micro antenna, an active E field antenna that was hold out of the window, just 1 meter. The probe is a short variable length antenna from a UKW radio (allows experimenting with different probe length..)


At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. Glad to be your first CW QSO on MF
...the first UK stn. The first ever was PA3ABK.

73 es gl de mal/g3kev
 

73, QRQ, Stefan/DK7FC
--------------080908030501000702040507-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1CD1838000092; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1F5-0001uN-Qa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:13:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1F5-0001uE-7D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:13:15 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg1F2-0004Cr-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:13:14 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 36D5B138097.A5E3E X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D5B138097 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:13:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB4.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub4.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32E8420041 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:13:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB4.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::c11b:83f0:c46c:c366%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:13:08 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Thread-Index: AQHNS/tV+uTyS0xTRU2djIHcF/gcg5b9RxaAgAAEx4CAAAdWAIAAC7aAgAAjJeM= Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:13:08 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAE508@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> ,<4FDD0343.3070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDD0343.3070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.12] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.129 (rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, you were 579 here with the typical 500kHz QSB. Due to strong rain I couldn't call you, but I assume we will have a QSO in the near future. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: d2a449809c9c1ff1983612d049372878 Subject: RE: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAE508ICTSSMBX5lunaku_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:428998048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64fdd052a2934 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAE508ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, you were 579 here with the typical 500kHz QSB. Due to strong rain I couldn't call you, but I assume we will have a QSO in = the near future. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2012 0:05 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many reports my= email. Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station i eve= r heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF, without any= problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where real time QSOs c= an take place. And this night is in summer and with high QRN, so winther mu= st be wonderful. No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-) 137 = kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real QSO ba= nd now! I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the active ferrit= e antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN... The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground range dista= nce is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but nothing at DJ2LF in 1= 75km distance... Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA here while= sitting in the forest and receiving there :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 23:24, schrieb Chris 4X1RF: Jan, Stefan Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in real= time on the Delfi WebSdr. 73s Chris 4X1RF On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM, pa3abk > wrote: Stefan, At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ. And stop when your CQ starts again. There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5. Jan/pa3abk On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote: Stefan, Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? At te mom you are becoming better. Jan/pa3abk On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: MF, Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in f= ront of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input be= fore. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can he= ar the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are= local QRM or a far field signal. My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and l= ook for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters i= n the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try. Starting now! 73, Stefan/DK7FC -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAE508ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Stefan,

 

you were 579=  here with the typical 500kHz QSB.

Due to strong<= a> rain I couldn't call you,=  but I assume we will have a QSO in the near future.

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer= @iup.uni-heidelberg.de]
Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2012 0:05
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz

Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many repor= ts my email.

Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station i eve= r heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF, without any= problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where real time QSOs c= an take place. And this night is in summer and with high QRN, so winther must be wonderful.
No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-) 137 = kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real QSO ba= nd now!

I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the active ferrit= e antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN...

The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground range dista= nce is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but nothing at DJ2LF in 1= 75km distance...
Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA here while= sitting in the forest and receiving there :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 16.06.2012 23:24, schrieb Chris 4X1RF:
Jan, Stefan

Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in real= time on the Delfi WebSdr.


73s
Chris 4X1RF


On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM, pa3abk <pa3abk@kpnmail.n= l> wrote:
Stefan,

At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ.
And stop when your CQ starts again.

There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5.


Jan/pa3abk


On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote:
Stefan,

Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call?

At te mom you are becoming better.



Jan/pa3abk

On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
MF,

Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in f= ront of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input be= fore. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can he= ar the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal= .

My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround)= as well but my filters in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 = dB... Anyway worth a try.

Starting now!

73, Stefan/DK7FC




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pa3abk<->  dordrecht jo21it



--_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAE508ICTSSMBX5lunaku_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B96B5380000A7; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sevzg-0005Gf-UW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:24:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sevzg-0005GW-HH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:24:52 +0100 Received: from smtp14.mail.ru ([94.100.176.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sevze-0006OB-SD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:24:51 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=mail.ru Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:References:To:From:Message-ID; bh=N11CpWSZjxfO0nZCo4mJOhaU7G1Oxh4iNDPptswaBH8=; b=INHlb0r9F+cVNTdkE2OeN/jhYjEtWgZZQsYIckWzqQ+8NAQfZd4rOBMpb0pV+EdPUxW1jXso9Qaq8Kxa5gpv5IpAv17Z5iPC0V3H1RicIML1zxz9lGy2Eh6R7gqiUZSr; Received: from [79.98.8.29] (port=35526 helo=EFREMOV) by smtp14.mail.ru with esmtpa (envelope-from ) id 1Sevzd-0003kP-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 02:24:49 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <000f01cd49b3$542e3360$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 02:24:30 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: GE Graham, 22:21 500 PA0A Op4 -17 dB (audible) 22:15 500 PA0A Op4 -23 dB 22:07 500 PA3ABK Op4 -28 dB (new callsign for me) 22:02 500 PA0A Op4 -15 dB (audible) 21:53 500 PA0A Op4 -29 dB 21:40 500 PA0A Op4 -28 dB 21:13 500 PA0A Op4 -24 dB 21:06 500 PA0A Op4 -32 dB [...] Content analysis details: (3.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [94.100.176.91 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rn3agc[at]mail.ru) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.9 STOX_REPLY_TYPE_WITHOUT_QUOTES STOX_REPLY_TYPE_WITHOUT_QUOTES 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.1 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 2e2f7cbbe9f38dd7bf3fac4fc012e6fc Subject: LF: Re: PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:24 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:273749792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m287.1 ; domain : mail.ru DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4fd9135e0e0e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none GE Graham, 22:21 500 PA0A Op4 -17 dB (audible) 22:15 500 PA0A Op4 -23 dB 22:07 500 PA3ABK Op4 -28 dB (new callsign for me) 22:02 500 PA0A Op4 -15 dB (audible) 21:53 500 PA0A Op4 -29 dB 21:40 500 PA0A Op4 -28 dB 21:13 500 PA0A Op4 -24 dB 21:06 500 PA0A Op4 -32 dB 73 Andrey What s/n levels ? G.. Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC) PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:24 PA3ABK PA3ABK 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:45:31 PA0LPN PA0LPN 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:05 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E37D53800008D; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeQeq-00005O-Aj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:57:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeQep-00005F-Uf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:57:15 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.28]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeQeo-0007Vg-C7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:57:14 +0100 Received: from pc-roelof (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5CCv7rV047850 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:57:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:57:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roelof Bakker" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.64 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, I am monitoring 200 - 600 kHz every night with a PERSEUS SDR. Propagation from Canada has been very consistent the last weeks. Most nights, I can copy around ten non directional beacons from NFL. There is also a distinct dawn enhancement around 02:30 UTC. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.28 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:379477216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fd73cf52ba9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan, I am monitoring 200 - 600 kHz every night with a PERSEUS SDR. Propagation from Canada has been very consistent the last weeks. Most nights, I can copy around ten non directional beacons from NFL. There is also a distinct dawn enhancement around 02:30 UTC. The last days it is a bit down, however this morning I had still aural copy from NDB BX on 220 kHz from Lourdes-de-Blanc-Sablon, Quebec over a 4100 km path. Also NAVTEX reception from Canada on 490 kHz and 518 kHz has been observed. Like you, it amazes me that propagation is as good as it is. I have seen excellent summer propagation before, but that was early July, after the summer solstice. The only way to find out if there is propagation or not is to check it every night. That is the main reason here for making overnight recordings and monitoring 518 kHz NAVTEX. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CD7DB38000113; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5jj-0005yi-R4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:13:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5jj-0005yZ-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:13:19 +0100 Received: from nm1-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.95]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh5jh-0006OH-9h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:13:18 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2012 21:13:15 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.134] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2012 21:13:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2012 21:13:15 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 616810.80461.bm@omp1039.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 3850 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2012 21:13:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340140395; bh=CcMXf1ePf/zNVFNdbzAhFu/f+SHAue/091GWBkb3Vtc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0b28NC63vUsWw2pUoOLnWcNv+OK2unP1Pr5Nrs9NUlreDk7GrgzPafDjb82gsMvh2d9ZZpwj7SIlXcdZeYK8ZaFE5apq8aD5plFb6PqozFHaNi3m0jlRxjuraXqmp9BA8aII96Rv6km0RdegrW/DB8X+OyJKegvfTqUzigTHncI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=prWHmDNd2+h8kp1pDZktmAZC2Qe/ZRDlFNANg0SwQy7p/B7W+Upre3Zorbq38at8dvc4G4LiPiy3WGHAanbH1PVTcrf7VcxB9ZKV32H8DsAKUJie/bjv6aMyqDaVj1E4SV/T5Smkbc7BKFcgYa3oLiftNBPr3SlPHOdmwa0ZQWo=; X-YMail-OSG: .qtpH_cVM1mq7pY35FN968a6hC28ZmT2V0Y07MYAsOf01D8 N8MKgLl3oCNNQGVQkH5sOIe6O7NPkoFxOSGzwA4.zvSkTTRscfpLnvnmOeks 7P7kS2TwDi87m164VSIzY5Jv_N_7NPDRXJq5AQNQm.nDen.pj7QHPwaM9izW ZJNgJUnAcuJh0BU8jcQho8IORHzYXWKf.kCliSiD7eesUoQLdpldHo2Ye4a9 YQ18lHR5CqY9v2HjWHLGBuBJPOBxMpiDBySWK9RLXFqt2afg_CSjyaHyo_Uu TTa8m8ixMSH.k_5dsQ5zClfMuqSeDM9zCYXZIwClNnf3pmuHwTVoyCTkLMQy TJWa0pHUvRorRvYV3IhagwS7kPcLNWLL88Ys5g4dF.r7NbQggABjwjvMLNUN Mv9IOUR0Nsq9l772KMNAAEGPllpK4Q8V.oL_IGXMgo2GwTy95c5NOzuVSYTj 6rtq.rvqaUZRE9G77GpdtB1eaFofkf3yXijNltxD5VL.uid19KedS_Wj2MbW sOuEOPpe1MtQAiTDKkgePnM9DDkP3_R_3QR1yLQ-- Received: from [82.39.62.205] by web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:13:15 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1340140395.2026.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:13:15 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Thayne To: rsgb lf MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, My 500 transmit set up has been dismantled for some time. I achieved only local QSO's up to 225 miles due entirely to my very small antenna in my very small garden. As Mal once said to me I need to move house! Well that is not possible but I could go /p and I have been following all your activities to learn from your experiences. I am also encouraged by Finbar EI0CF, who has achieved great success on 500 portable as well as from his home QTH. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.95 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g3gms[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC on 473.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492568928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m224.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194fe0eba8151a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan,=0AMy 500 transmit set up has been dismantled for some time. I= achieved only =0Alocal QSO's up to 225 miles due entirely to my very small= antenna in my very =0Asmall garden. As Mal once said to me I need to move = house! Well that is not =0Apossible but I could go /p and I have been follo= wing all your activities to =0Alearn from your experiences. I am also encou= raged by Finbar EI0CF, who has =0Aachieved great success on 500 portable as= well as from his home QTH. =0A=0AI am a technician not an Engineer or Scie= ntist (ex. marine R/O) but I can =0Areproduce ideas from others so I am a k= een observer and one of the many "silent" =0Amembers learning from the grou= p.=0A=0AClose to the North Sea my /p activity will take advantage of that, = =0Arather than forests.=0AGood luck on the new band and I hope to join you = there=A0live on air, in January =0A2013.=0A73, Mike, g3gms=0A----- Original= Message ----- =0AFrom: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" =0ATo: =0ASent: Monday, June 18, 201= 2 11:19 PM =0ASubject: Re: LF: DK7FC on 473.5=0A=0A> Hello Mike,=0A> =0A> T= hanks for the report! Well, =0Athe CQ call comes from the memory of my =0A>= keyer (by DL4YHF) but the CW in =0Aa QSO is hand given. No PC in use for Q= SOs.=0A> =0A> Are you already QRV =0Aon 500? I could listen for you there. = However i'm =0A> still at the =0Abeginning and have to do some improvements= on the receive =0A> side. I'm =0Aalso planning to be QRV from /p, RX wise.= Yesterday i have =0A> extended the =0Arange of my active ferrite antenna. = So now it covers LF and =0A> MF. See =0A> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028= /MF/LF%2BMF_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG :-)=0A> =0A> What antenna do you pla= n for /p? A full size dipole in a =0Aforrest will be =0A> interesting! I wi= ll prepare my 700m earth antenna to =0Amake such a dipole =0A> and see what= the efficiency will be :-)=0A> =0A> 73, GL! Stefan/DK7FC=0A> =0A> Am 19.06= .2012 00:37, schrieb Mike =0AThayne:=0A>> Hello Stefan=0A>> =0A>> I am hear= ing a very =0Anice 559 signal of you calling CQ on 473.5khz at 2216utc toni= ght. No =0Ainterference and nice hand sent morse from you. Using a miniwhip= rx =0Aantenna.=0A>> I am looking forward to joining in the fun in January = 2013 =0Awhen we get access to the new band.=0A>> Small garden here so I wil= l have =0Ato be /p to get a decent signal out, I learnt the lesson on =0A50= 0khz!=0A>> =0A>> 73=0A>> Mike Thayne=0A>> =0AG3GMS=0A>> Whitley Bay IO95GB= =0A>>=0A>> =0A> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB44D38000082; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfvbv-0007Nj-HM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:12:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfvbv-0007NU-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:12:27 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfvbt-0002ge-JY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:12:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d43 with ME id P4CQ1j00K4U6hVe034CQfB; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:12:25 +0200 Message-ID: <0D4DC6EEC79B42328EDCDEFB0B10830B@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Cc: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:12:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft 73 -G. 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BF_01CD4BE3.32E80BE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:152783136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4fdcb09525c0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01CD4BE3.32E80BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft =20 73 -G.=20 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB *********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20 16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w + = Umbrella ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01CD4BE3.32E80BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

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16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella

------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01CD4BE3.32E80BE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3321F38000087; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3rl-0001iv-M2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:24:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3rl-0001im-9l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:24:57 +0100 Received: from smtp02.online.nl ([194.134.41.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd3rj-0000gl-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:24:56 +0100 Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE363A594 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:24:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s529d275f.adsl.wanadoo.nl [82.157.39.95]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:24:53 +0200 (CEST) From: To: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:24:53 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: <4FD23D78.9010000@xs4all.nl> Importance: Normal X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Thanks Albert Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Albert Verzonden: vrijdag 8 juni 2012 19:59 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.134.41.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mal  The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on LF because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks people have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.246 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 55db901127f87fafbf8ae301dac99c44 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1507048413-2092401642-1340312150=:80181" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:439369408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d004.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fe38ac71bfb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1507048413-2092401642-1340312150=:80181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal=0A=C2=A0=0AThe whole reason these things are getting so much attenti= on is the price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or=C2=A0A= /D converter.=C2=A0They are not really suitable for or give any advantage o= n LF because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO=C2=A0I don't think i= ts worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks peopl= e have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It= looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX suppie= rs do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.=0A=0A= 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From= : mal hamilton =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0ASent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 18:42=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A = =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0Aps =0AMy cardbus is a Freecom TV and radio receiver but= I cannot =0Afind any spec for it=C2=A0 anywhere. Freq range etc =0AIt woul= d be interesting to see how far down it actually =0Awent in freq, or even h= ow far up. I could build a suitable up converter to cover =0ALF/MF =0ADe ma= l/g3kev =0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: mal hamilton =0A>To= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:44 PM = =0A>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A>=0A> =0A>Pete =0A>I have a DVB-T card= bus and I expect this would also work maybe better than the usb stick. Do = not know what the chipset is =0A>de mal/g3kev =0A>=0A>----- Original Messag= e ----- =0A>>From: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent= : Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:40 PM =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A>= >=0A>> =0A>> =0A>>Hi all =0A>>Save those precious Euros because you don= =E2=80=99t know how long they will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber= =E2=80=99s =C2=A0BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using =C2=A0ultra-cheap Soft= ware Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB stick. =0A>>These D= VB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK source and= cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the = cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or = similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC= to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna. = =0A>>Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stat= ions with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if that=E2= =80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. =C2=A0Not a lot of people= know that! =0A>>URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 =0A>>https://ww= w.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 =0A>>http://www.reddit.com/r= /RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/ =0A>= >You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) =0A>>= Yy 73=C2=A0 Pete M0fmt =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT I= O91UX=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>________________________________=0A>>From: Stefan Sch= =C3=A4fer =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40=0A>>Subject: Re: LF= : SDR programs=0A>>=0A>>Hi Piotr,=0A>>=0A>>Thanks for the =0A overview o= f programs. That's what i searched for.=0A>>But maybe i have =0A express= ed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono =0A = input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable = =0A for both, IQ and mono?=0A>>Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teache= rs (Wolf =0A or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i= would prefer =0A that i think...=0A>>=0A>>Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A>>=0A= >>> Hi Stefan, =0A LF=0A>>> =0A>>> i have SDR-IQ receiver from=C2=A0 RFS= pace. The primary =0A supporting software for all their sdr=C2=A0 hardwa= re is Spectravue.=0A>>> =0A you can download this program from the rfspa= ce site:=0A>>> =0A>>> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html=0A>>> = =0A>>> i do recommend this program=C2=A0 although it is sligthly difficult = =0A to get started.=0A>>> However,=C2=A0 once you get familiar with it y= ou =0A will like it:)=0A>>> =0A>>> on a "support" page of www.rfspace.co= m=C2=A0 =0A you will also find a link to sdr -radio:=0A>>> =0A>>> http:/= /www.sdr-radio.com/=0A>>> =0A>>>=C2=A0 they have =0A a very powerful rad= io console which looks like a regular transceiver front =0A side=0A>>>= =C2=A0 It has many many different options - of course, it does =0A take = time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy..=0A>>> =0A>>>= i also recommend=C2=A0 HDSDR software:=C2=A0 http://www.hdsdr.de/index.htm= l=0A>>> very intuitive and =0A easy to use.=0A>>> =0A>>> Well, there is = a growing number of sdr =0A software supporting=C2=A0 sdr hardware.=C2= =A0 an example of such collection =0A of sdr programs you can find here:= =0A>>> =0A>>> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_softwa= re=0A>>> =0A>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =0A =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yours, P= iotr, SQ7MPJ=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A qth: Lodz /jo91rs/=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>=0A>> --1507048413-2092401642-1340312150=:80181 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mal
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The whole reason these things are getting so much att= ention is the price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or&nb= sp;A/D converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advanta= ge on LF because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a g= ood sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't thi= nk its worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks p= eople have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure= . It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX su= ppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton &= lt;g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To:<= /span> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 18:42
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

=EF=BB=BF=0A=0A =0A =0A
Alberto
Surprised to see you on Blacksheep reflector, = you said=20 last week you were going to Yahoo and not coming back !!
Blacksheep for information and education, Yahoo = for=20 picture post cards
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alberto di = Bene=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 = 10:06=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

On 6/20/2012 11:31 PM, Markus Vester=20 wrote:
But as I = have zero Linux=20 background, is there a way to run something like=20 RTL-SDR under Windows?
Go to=20 this page :

http://www.rtlsdr.com/2012/04/getting-started-with-rtl-sdr-dongle/=

73 =20 Alberto  I2PHD


------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CD4F38.6AC7E320-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0FA25380000A8; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbDaN-0001wk-2J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:23:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbDaM-0001wZ-Jv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:23:22 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbDaK-0002Mp-CO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:23:21 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p548D15DC.dip.t-dialin.net [84.141.21.220]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MbxnK-1SKEOf17HK-00Jh41; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:23:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB8F76.4030702@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:23:18 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00a201cd4197$444c2340$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <00db01cd4199$36b3fee0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00fd01cd419e$130b0560$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <00fd01cd419e$130b0560$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:vxZI/udIAAE42mBIub9i4hqWTz7l6bihHJIBhKJ4/Fo i/EirRiBqYQKwJ5q0cYOs/HEHbHUQrkf+w0Gaaw7ZFqAAvBqZn cEffB6lGOqKBRGngm+wZJtdAiGnkPaCxWe8Xw1Eo0UpV7EB0GS 5egAOJ2iQ/NIBnbg1M8s6o7MJlAKOQt6zjMu4OIrlVx21JsuSD HRIjunfL2IW2i6QX0ekJl/lUXaKBVnJocr13f3OJAQ/qyH9aMv ebnQkmGNG613ZTQKMyHQXjJhqLljMdpfEelNReKVFwQhTiKcP7 Yk+vpTMI/uxi8XG329CwdPzTixmd5Qigel5BNTPibLUAtaVTlB HbD9UO8xByo8TCQps1sL8FFF7hmDybqrG+bhNIpAw X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mal, > ... > also now CQ on 136.5 CW pse call, nil hrd so far >... Nope here at 136.5; pse use an aerial :) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.187 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: aee9e5eeb35c86f052d502ac97832558 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:403868512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4fcb8fa3154a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Mal, > ... > also now CQ on 136.5 CW pse call, nil hrd so far >... Nope here at 136.5; pse use an aerial :) Peter, df3lp PS: still observing 136.5 kHz... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 22CB5380000BD; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkCBk-0005FI-1L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:43:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkCBj-0005F9-Js for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:43:03 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkCBh-0000cE-RW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:43:02 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArQFAFU07E9cF/xG/2dsb2JhbABFigmqDYIfgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDJQEjAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh34HqhCPEwSLNxuCU4McA41Nl2iCXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,491,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="391249987" Received: from host-92-23-252-70.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.252.70]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2012 11:42:59 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01cd551a$c5e740b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FEC323B.3040805@kabelmail.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:42:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: At 50 watts slightly more efficient than a Valve Class C and at 100 watts about the same !! g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK1IS" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:30 AM Subject: Re: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.6 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:496206688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fec355f64bf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none At 50 watts slightly more efficient than a Valve Class C and at 100 watts about the same !! g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK1IS" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:30 AM Subject: Re: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Am 28.06.2012 00:33, schrieb Stefan Schfer: > MF, > > For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that > operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF > TRX can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input > power must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can > be switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the > output impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is > not so critical, Z=R may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The > FETs are IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer > uses RF litz wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort > for optimising the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW > QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a > 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm. > The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF > power. The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this > measurement. > > If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a > schematic as a png file. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG > > > > . > Hi Stefan, me too, please! 73, Tom,DK1IS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B03AB38000098; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZdy-0005By-27 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZdx-0005Bp-AR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:33 +0100 Received: from nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.63]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbZdv-0007UO-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:32 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.232] by nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2012 15:56:29 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.242] by tm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2012 15:56:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2012 15:56:29 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 186830.34045.bm@omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 37234 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2012 15:56:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338825389; bh=FgkZstglAp4WZrGHxnaIkR/iDg4xoQ0k3nnCOIssCys=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HjgTgP5mQOKWIpGqtiDDmMnMfu/kPXu4cbQIQ5A+tfPzfkDRmbG0O/X/JizCdfnveHDlyE7UoZJOtVL0CC4fKhmXgroUcK0kmizPkUBCCRkXoMYcmKVFIlru7flRPSeGb+CYedj8VFqbIRr9Cfhr3pQcil4ffQ+ZtBcQA33H2BE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qbjl3S4Edz2LYnWCJ1ga5F5SOhW4yZiIO8R1LiPHnzRt7ouX0hX5BR8tXYZNQlGmzJQ6DjN25SJKA9jXjpRCtNqJr6phYkjcp/vX16NSJg4ifY77+aU/fk0aaZRLBIr+IPtSzITh62trD04eVmDFMsS6sGXUc689FOhlUBlCJ60=; X-YMail-OSG: ap7bsm0VM1mbONY_xfq_msMHnK8sa2hR15Y_dLG5gP47DCV 3u1f0s5kiVR1iTxaNMfJ1x8pAPJwKryKRUMslCwXH.N3Va2aa7W111hARhFi 6Ig.B4Oq7VwHSKxuhKURmeejgiIqCeTsiaxP_uleQx7A8MnOpBThqzadzlRa TuGd2OZLW5AEjAZ.pmY3mH8Xh.ZOhTKNRJhAqfURbRu8c3UR03zRCDPF2PgT q_FBBt8Hr0JescDq8iTggcTxoMW.5H0Di3jlsUXligWz58oX5j10ZjBDeTF6 8UEjC6cipKMwBKsPamPePEaabiNV.pgpWVdzug8e1aCrAG9wpQiv6C2dEvoY S_8WeNddB.krRG6Q5BDOkJfBBIx4ldIuCHeb0Q3HJp_dyG0JXx7SWIGEMt5U jGABUXBxszSNOxcvYLmYwjI4GRl9A6S1XSWTbONh5xZ2uWcW_LArYCg-- Received: from [86.185.179.223] by web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:28 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCC8CF.5080503@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: <1338825388.36980.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:56:28 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FCCC8CF.5080503@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all Please report my CW + Opera 4 beacon on 501.680 kc/s carrier frequency. Running 1.3watts O/P. Rig valve (tube) 12AU7 Master Osc. 6.500-6.000=0.500meg VXO xtals, 6AU6 mixer with 6CL6 PA cathode keyed with E/M relay. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.63 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: LF: Opera BCN 1.3Watts 501.680. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1386533404-610721640-1338825388=:36980" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:370015168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m014.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf4fccdadb03fb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1386533404-610721640-1338825388=:36980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=0A=A0=0APlease report my CW + Opera 4 beacon on 501.680 kc/s carrier= frequency. Running 1.3watts O/P. Rig valve (tube) 12AU7 Master Osc. 6.500-= 6.000=3D0.500meg VXO=A0xtals, 6AU6 mixer with 6CL6 PA cathode keyed with E/= M relay. =A0=0A=0ANote there is a backwave.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX --1386533404-610721640-1338825388=:36980 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--1386533404-610721640-1338825388=:36980-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2C937380000C5; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3Fe-0000qd-MJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:45:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3Fe-0000qQ-9y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:45:34 +0100 Received: from smtp07.online.nl ([194.134.42.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd3Fc-0000Su-PP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:45:33 +0100 Received: from smtp07.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A4298413 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:45:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s529d275f.adsl.wanadoo.nl [82.157.39.95]) by smtp07.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:45:31 +0200 (CEST) From: To: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:45:31 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: <4FD2274D.2080008@xs4all.nl> Importance: Normal X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120608-0, 08-06-2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp07.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Albert,all you have a link where I can download the latest opera software? Like to listen this mode. many thanks [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.134.42.52 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: LF: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:372590016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fd23a680ed8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Albert,all you have a link where I can download the latest opera software? Like to listen this mode. many thanks Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Albert Verzonden: vrijdag 8 juni 2012 18:25 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: 500 kHz OPERA activity All, Beacon in mode OPERA this evening, dial 500kHz USB, carrier abt. 501.7 kHz. Each transmission starts with my call in normal morse code. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Victor, thanks for your reply. In fact, now I think I will use the 12AU7 for a hi-Z pre-amp for a whip or a tuned loop (this again is just for playing with that old glassy lady :-)). As for the BD139, I didn't even suspect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good for power stages... 73 Daniele IZ5WWB [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 7c7a1907d3a7d57b28660e5fb4c32107 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-73641666-214777344-1340375757=:35583" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:418106560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m002.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fe4831457ea X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---73641666-214777344-1340375757=:35583 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Victor, thanks for your reply. In fact, now I think I will use the 12= AU7 for a hi-Z pre-amp for a whip or a tuned loop (this again is just for p= laying with that old glassy lady :-)). As for the BD139, I didn't even susp= ect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good for power stage= s...=0A73=0ADaniele IZ5WWB=0A=0A=A0=0A =0A=0A______________________________= __=0A Da: "victor13@online.nl" =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org =0AInviato: Venerd=EC 22 Giugno 2012 16:19=0AOggetto: LF: RE: Fe= rrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?=0A =0A=0A =0AHello =0ADaniele, =0A=A0 =0A= some =0Amonths ago I made a broadbanded ferriterod to cope with heavy qrm o= n the 80 and =0A160m band.The ferite comes from a submarine and is specifie= d 10KHz to 4 MHZ with =0Aa symmetrical feedingcable to a ELK675 or other re= ceiver without a preamp.Since =0AI don't have such a receiver I made a bala= nced two stage amp with 4x BD139 =0Agrounded base.The antenna copes good wi= th the QRM on 80 and 160,it also performs =0Avery well on the MW broadcastb= and.In the range 200-500KHz it is sometimes better =0Athan the E-probe,belo= w 200KHz the E-probe wins.IM is no problem but maby the =0Anoise of the amp= is to high below 200KHz. =0AThe =0Aferriterod is about750X100mm! =0AI =0Ad= on't think the 12AU7 is a good choice for a low inputimpedance amp...Zinput= 2X =0ABD139 is about 3 Ohm. =0A=A0 =0A73 =0AGL =0AVictor =0APA3FNY =0A=A0 = =0A-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----=0A>Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele Tincani=0A>= Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 9:42=0A>Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =0A>Onderwerp: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?=0A>=0A> =0A>Hello LF= , =0A>=0A>I apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was already larg= ely debated here. I have seven of those=A0quite known russian surplus ferr= ite rods (20cm x 1cm) and -=A0just for my fun - I'm planning to spend some= time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain a=A0= broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF=A0and/or LF-MF, suitable for o= utdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some suggestions about is = the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in air-core br= oadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? I found an unuse= d 12AU7 in=A0my drawer, could=A0it be effectively=A0chosen as the active = device (low voltage)=A0for=A0such amplifier?=0A> =0A>Thank you for any feed= back =0A>73 =0A>Daniele IZ5WWB =0A> ---73641666-214777344-1340375757=:35583 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Victor, thanks for your reply. In fact, now I think I will use the = 12AU7 for a hi-Z pre-amp for a whip or a tuned loop (this again is just for= playing with that old glassy lady :-)). As for the BD139, I didn't even su= spect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good for power sta= ges...
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
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Da: "victor13@online.nl" <victor13@online.nl&= gt;
A: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org
Inviato: Venerd=EC 22 Giugno 2012 16:19
= Oggetto: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?
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Hel= lo =0ADaniele,
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some =0Amonths ago I made a = broadbanded ferriterod to cope with heavy qrm on the 80 and =0A160m band.Th= e ferite comes from a submarine and is specified 10KHz to 4 MHZ with =0Aa s= ymmetrical feedingcable to a ELK675 or other receiver without a preamp.Sinc= e =0AI don't have such a receiver I made a balanced two stage amp with 4x B= D139 =0Agrounded base.The antenna copes good with the QRM on 80 and 160,it = also performs =0Avery well on the MW broadcastband.In the range 200-500KHz = it is sometimes better =0Athan the E-probe,below 200KHz the E-probe wins.IM= is no problem but maby the =0Anoise of the amp is to high below 200KHz.
=0A
The =0Aferriterod is about7= 50X100mm!
=0A
I =0Adon't thin= k the 12AU7 is a good choice for a low inputimpedance amp...Zinput 2X =0ABD= 139 is about 3 Ohm.
=0A
 
=0A
73
= =0A
GL
=0A
Victor
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: =0A = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org]Namens Daniele =0A Tincani
Verzonden: vrijdag 22= juni 2012 9:42
Aan: =0A rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onde= rwerp: LF: Ferrite broadband =0A (LF-MF) antenna?

= =0A
=0A
Hello LF,
=0A
 
=0A
I apol= ogize to you all for resuming a topic that was already largely =0A debated= here. I have seven of those quite known russian surplus ferrite =0A = rods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun - I'm planning to spend some t= ime =0A in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain =0A= a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF and/or LF-MF, sui= table =0A for outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some sugges= tions about is =0A the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those = used in air-core =0A broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any= ideas? I found an unused =0A 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be ef= fectively chosen as the =0A active device (low voltage) for = ;such amplifier?
=0A
Thank you for any feedback
=0A 73
=0A
Daniele IZ5WWB
=0A
 
=0A


---73641666-214777344-1340375757=:35583-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DD8FB3800008D; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 07:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb8q7-00069P-8z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:19:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb8q6-00069G-EL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:19:18 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb8q3-0000rI-M9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:19:17 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q53BJEPR011764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:19:14 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q53BJEx7016679 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:19:14 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:17:45 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear John, LF, Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following. I agree with Peter stated below and also unsubsribed from the yahoo group 2 days ago. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 14522a7d8bfffcae5e92e35059f18ae1 Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020308060505020507040106" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430212672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fcb486a78b0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020308060505020507040106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear John, LF, Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following. I agree with Peter stated below and also unsubsribed from the yahoo group 2 days ago. There are some arguments that i want to add. Of course these arguments are not acepted to be serious from the pro-change-party. Probably they will not even take the time to read and try to understand a different way of thinking. In this change progress i *missed fundamental democratic steps*! We have been growing as *ONE GROUP* here, so it is a PITY that a small fraction has now splitted the group and talks now in a very bad way about the "old blacksheep" reflector. We should have moved as ONE GROUP as well! 155 members in one week at yahoo is much. But how many have been subsribed to blacksheep? Sure, most of the TOP20 posters and many experts have moved. But there has been a party ("An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE") that suggested the change. Some have agreed and some have disagreed. But the majority didn't state anything. Someone could have been in holidays (or still is) and never got the chance for *codetermination*! BTW no one has had the chance for codermination. There was no vote, maybe in form of a doodle voting. What we saw is that the pro change party accomplished you to start the new group and make an announcement about it here in the group. And then you added a very important subordinate clause: > > I propose to keep this blacksheep.org list > going short-term until we see how people adapt to the new online list. This formulation is here in Germany very well know from the politicans, who often describe a situation and there proposed solution as "alternativlos" (without an alternative). I think THIS is why so many moved to yahoo, they simply think they have no chance to participate what will be done (like in politics!!). So, John, what is if we have been 300 members here at blacksheep, or 1000? Some have very valuable comments from time to time but they stay in the background for most of the time. If you actually shut down this reflector and we loose say 10 % of members (i think it will be more), is that a good decision? I think we should have some respect of what was achieved here on this adress! We are THE LF reflector and not an ordinary yahoo group, one of 10000s... _Let me show you an analogy to this reflector._ The *SAQ* transmitter. There are several people who enjoy each transmission, every year, since many years. The SAQ transmitter is world cultural heritage and many have respect about that old stuff and what was achieved in the past! Imagine someone would come and say "PLEASE CAN WE HAVE A NEW SAQ TRANSMITTER" He states the following arguments: The current SAQ transmitter: -is old -is heavy -is loud -is low efficient -is unstable in frequency -cannot be operated by anyone in any mode -needs a long time to be ready to push the PTT -has problems to easily find replacement parts -has had a failure some months back A new SAQ transmitter has the following advantages: -silent -high efficient class E PA -flexible operation -several new protection circuits making high availability etc. etc... Real arguments, right? So why not throwing the old one on the junk yard and arrange a new one? No, never! Because the transmitter is a part of the history that has been so fascinating. If a small group of the SAQ club actually reach to do that step, many of the members would go for ever! This is what's going on here now! *A SHAME!* There are some features stated by the pro change party why it is worth to move to yahoo, like the permanent storage of files on the yahoo server. But take a look at the development of HDD size of a standard PC and the data transfer rate of internet connections in the last 10 years. So how can the storage of simple emails and some images be a real problem in these days? If it is a problem in these days, it must have been impossible 10 years ago. Furthermore, i see the email exchange here as a more private thing, more like a closed group. Just a subjective feeling. On yahoo, it is official in the web, visible for everyone. That's not the same, that's not fine! Maybe no problem for those who jump arround in 10s of other yahoo groups but i prefer personal contacts. I'm sure there are many who will not comment on the current situation. You see, the comments are coming from less than 30 people. But be sure the group will loose some members! If you think that is worth to do what's going on here, then do what you think to have to do. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 03.06.2012 10:37, schrieb pws: > To John, G3WKL, > > Please do NOT shut down this reflector. > > 1. It's active in positive sense. > > 2. There are too many hams here who say > "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven > Brave New World were each posting will be > "googleable" for ever. Me too. > > That's the reason I unsubscribed from > some Yapoo-Groups recently. > > 73 Peter, df3lp --------------020308060505020507040106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q53BJEPR011764 Dear John, LF,

Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following.

I agree with Peter stated below and also unsubsribed from the yahoo group 2 days ago.

There are some arguments that i want to add. Of course these arguments are not acepted to be serious from the pro-change-party. Probably they will not even take the time to read and try to understand a different way of thinking.

In this change progress i missed fundamental democratic steps! We have been growing as ONE GROUP here, so it is a PITY that a small fraction has now splitted the group and talks now in a very bad way about the "old blacksheep" reflector. We should have moved as ONE GROUP as well! 155 members in one week at yahoo is much. But how many have been subsribed to blacksheep? Sure, most of the TOP20 posters and many experts have moved. But there has been a party ("An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE") that suggested the change. Some have agreed and some have disagreed. But the majority didn't state anything. Someone could have been in holidays (or still is) and never got the chance for codetermination! BTW no one has had the chance for codermination. There was no vote, maybe in form of a doodle voting. What we saw is that the pro change party accomplished you to start the new group and make an announcement about it here in the group. And then you added a very important subordinate clause:


I propose to keep this blacksheep.org list going short-term until we see how people adapt to the new online list.
This formulation is here in Germany very well know from the politicans, who often describe a situation and there proposed solution as "alternativlos" (without an alternative). I think THIS is why so many moved to yahoo, they simply think they have no chance to participate what will be done (like in politics!!).

So, John,=A0 what is if we have been 300 members here at blacksheep, or 1000? Some have very valuable comments from time to time but they stay in the background for most of the time. If you actually shut down this reflector and we loose say 10 % of members (i think it will be more), is that a good decision? I think we should have some respect of what was achieved here on this adress! We are THE LF reflector and not an ordinary yahoo group, one of 10000s...

Let me show you an analogy to this reflector. The SAQ transmitter. There are several people who enjoy each transmission, every year, since many years.
The SAQ transmitter is world cultural heritage and many have respect about that old stuff and what was achieved in the past!
Imagine someone would come and say "PLEASE CAN WE HAVE A NEW SAQ TRANSMITTER" He states the following arguments:
The current SAQ transmitter:
-is old
-is heavy
-is loud
-is low efficient
-is unstable in frequency
-cannot be operated by anyone in any mode
-needs a long time to be ready to push the PTT
-has problems to easily find replacement parts
-has had a failure some months back

A new SAQ transmitter has the following advantages:
-silent
-high efficient class E PA
-flexible operation
-several new protection circuits making high availability

etc. etc...
Real arguments, right? So why not throwing the old one on the junk yard and arrange a new one? No, never! Because the transmitter is a part of the history that has been so fascinating. If a small group of the SAQ club actually reach to do that step, many of the members would go for ever! This is what's going on here now!

A SHAME!

There are some features stated by the pro change party why it is worth to move to yahoo, like the permanent storage of files on the yahoo server. But take a look at the development of HDD size of a standard PC and the data transfer rate of internet connections in the last 10 years. So how can the storage of simple emails and some images be a real problem in these days? If it is a problem in these days, it must have been impossible 10 years ago.

Furthermore, i see the email exchange here as a more private thing, more like a closed group. Just a subjective feeling. On yahoo, it is official in the web, visible for everyone. That's not the same, that's not fine! Maybe no problem for those who jump arround in 10s of other yahoo groups but i prefer personal contacts.

I'm sure there are many who will not comment on the current situation. You see, the comments are coming from less than 30 people. But be sure the group will loose some members!
If you think that is worth to do what's going on here, then do what you think to have to do.

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 03.06.2012 10:37, schrieb pws:
To John, G3WKL,

Please do NOT shut down this reflector.

1. It's active in positive sense.

2. There are too many hams here who say
"no thanks!" to that advertisement driven
Brave New World were each posting will be
"googleable" for ever. Me too.

That's the reason I unsubscribed from
some Yapoo-Groups recently.

73 Peter, df3lp
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FL2000 , with 2 x 813 ? nice amp, my skanti trp5000 has = 2 x 4cx250-b in the PA runs well 1.8/30 Mhz , I use 2 = combined skanti 250 watt solid state 50v linear amps with the = ma1723 for LF>Hf , wide band , just change the ATU hi ..... = could do with a simple class e/d for 500 as the ab1 amps are a = little power hungry ..=20 G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Stefan and Graham Thanks for the comments. None of my MF/LF tx.s run more that 160watts = although by seriesing a couple of PSUs one with a floating ground I can = run about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like seriesing the PSUs so = only do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to build a new high = voltage PSU 100V at a good current rating. The rigs are FET PA IRF840 = etc mostly xtal controlled or xtal mixer type master oscillator (but do = have DDS), into a FET driver chip. And set them as described earlier. I have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s transforming the Low = impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer to drive the = antenna tuner. Front end currently popped!! Using it for QRSS = overnight.Will get it back on soon. My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side issue and am not advocating = them for serious modern MF/LF work. However there is no reason why not. I have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts out = Choke modulated AM and CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on AM on 3.615megs. = The second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now = is again xtal mixer vxo. They use 6CL6 video tubes in the PA. The = 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure out why, it should be = about 5watts. How ever on my new found Opera4 have been reported in PA0 = land (on the limit). I have built and still got one or two 807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking = about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown amateur in the = 1950s and a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 rig on the stocks.... but = probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This to show my thermionic = credentials.... hee! For shear interest I would like to try and make a high efficiency TUBE = PA but probably won't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX = design looks interesting but probably very dodgy to set up, stability = and all. Graham your arc tubes is all very well but what I have read is = that they have a tendency to blow up...... and so do FETs ok so no = change there then. My current limitation to power Stefan is lack of a single stable PSU = with a couple of KW output. The antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and = 128ft top.=20 I don't have a good RX for MF/LF what I have are deaf by others = standards and this is my main area of interest at the moment. I have = used a TS50 and a TS690s full filters plus a couple of direct conversion = HB RX with active filers and notch. Front ends have gone from dual gate mosfet to straight into the mixer = but S/N is still poor evidenced by WSPR and Opera reports I give to = other station who are being received much better elsewhere. If any one = can help me with that then it would make life here on MF/LF a lot = better.=20 Keep the bands open and may get to work you Stefan now you have = 472/9....... why the delay in the UK???? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=E4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012, 22:05 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete, LF,=20 On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% efficiency with a = class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if your antenna = provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround = a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output power), a = well designed class E PA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW RF (CW, key = down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET.=20 I hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but = i can understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, = although i'm not from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier = i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT:=20 Well shoot me down with my britches on fire! Mal=20 I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers = By RCA. I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any = time because I thought they used special valves to achieve the fast = response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode = and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of the anode = one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you get a very = fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned = circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ = http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/ I think the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency = TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work OK = for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away with one = set up. Now to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Pete es Co The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E = and well designed would produce 70% efficiency. The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it = is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage = generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% = efficiency if you are lucky.=20 Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch = to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not = careful about matching to load. I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for = years. Fets are probably more manageable, compact and safer regarding = voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high = current, like an electric chair!! 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 AM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Ken I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes = than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I = won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency = output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an = amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low = resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well = into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is = barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in = terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying = to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive = frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain = will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor = will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the = guide I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if = you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there = is enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on = the sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a = doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that = will detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high = power, efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The = GW3UEP design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom = style unobtainium in the components listing. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Ken To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd = order differential equations, partial integration and integration by = parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional = integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my = Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I = like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike = semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. 73s Ken M0KHW From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Class E etc Hi Ken=20 Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You = need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions = for the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using = a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn = the FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with = accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate = voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for = transients, a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and = inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article = below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave = will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you = don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the = result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some = starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output = conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. = Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well = above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET = is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good = efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply = voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable = of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly = cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct = drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below = shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy = load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope = then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer = my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer = in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak = voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum = peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. = This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two = turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring = the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak. =20 Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work = well. Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers.=20 For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning = Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... = http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-powera= mps.pdf For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a = scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20 http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01CD49D0.C94B8F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Pete .. blow up ? !!......Depends on the  tubes  : = ))  http://home.comcast.= net/~n6jv/data/6C21.pdf
 
This  is what  you need  (with a  bit of = re-work) =20 ..... 
http://= www.radartutorial.eu/08.transmitters/tx06.en.html
VK or Bust  !!
 
FL2000   , with  2  x 813  ?  = nice =20 amp,   my  skanti  trp5000   = has   =20 2 x    4cx250-b   in the  PA  runs = well =20 1.8/30 Mhz  ,   I  use   2  =20 combined  skanti 250 watt solid state 50v   linear = amps =20 with the  ma1723 for  LF>Hf  , wide  band  , =  just change the  ATU  hi .....   could  = do =20 with a  simple  class e/d for  500  as  = the =20 ab1  amps  are a little  power hungry ..
 
G..
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:59 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Hi Stefan and Graham
 
Thanks for the comments. None of my MF/LF tx.s = run more that=20 160watts although by seriesing = a couple of=20 PSUs one with a floating = ground I can run=20 about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like seriesing the PSUs so=20 only do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to build a = new high=20 voltage PSU 100V at a good = current=20 rating. The rigs are FET = PA IRF840 etc mostly xtal controlled or xtal=20 mixer type master oscillator (but do have DDS), into a FET driver chip. And set them as described=20 earlier.
 
I have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s = transforming the=20 Low impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer to drive the = antenna=20 tuner. Front end currently popped!!=20 Using it for QRSS = overnight.Will get it=20 back on soon.
 
My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side issue and am not = advocating=20 them for serious modern MF/LF = work.=20 However there is no reason why not.
 
I have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts out Choke = modulated AM=20 and CW and FSK. Worked most = of UK on AM=20 on 3.615megs. The second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now is again = xtal mixer vxo. They use 6CL6 video tubes in the PA. The = 500kc/s tube=20 tx only runs a watt o/p yet = to figure out=20 why, it should be about 5watts. How ever on my new found Opera4=20 have been reported in PA0 land (on the limit).
I have built and still got one or two 807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown = amateur in the=20 1950s and a Codar T5 and a = push pull 807=20 rig on the stocks.... but probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. = This to=20 show my thermionic credentials.... hee!
 
For shear interest I would like to try and make a high = efficiency=20 TUBE PA but probably won't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX = design=20 looks interesting but probably very dodgy to set up, stability and all. = Graham=20 your arc tubes is all very well but what I have read is that they have a = tendency to blow up...... and so do FETs=20 ok so no change there = then.
 
My current limitation to power Stefan is lack of a single = stable=20 PSU with a couple of KW = output. The=20 antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and 128ft top.
 
I don't have a good RX for MF/LF what I have are deaf by others standards and = this is my=20 main area of interest at the moment. I have used a TS50 and a TS690s = full=20 filters plus a couple of direct conversion HB RX with active filers and = notch.
Front ends have gone from dual gate mosfet to straight into the mixer but S/N is still = poor evidenced by WSPR and Opera reports I give to other station who = are being=20 received much better = elsewhere. If any=20 one can help me with that then it would make life here on MF/LF a lot better.
 
Keep the = bands=20 open and may get to work you Stefan now you have 472/9....... why the delay in the UK????
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, 13 = June 2012,=20 22:05
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 Class E etc

Hi Pete, LF,

On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy = achieve 95%=20 efficiency with a class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! = So if=20 your antenna provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the = highes output power), a well = designed class E=20 PA is definitifely a good = choice! 1 kW RF=20 (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET.
I=20 hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but i = can=20 understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, although = i'm not from the tube generation = ;-) The first=20 power amplifier i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year = old or=20 so :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 13.06.2012 16:51, = schrieb M0FMT:=20
Well shoot me down with = my=20 britches on fire!
 
Mal
I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube = amplifiers By RCA.
I have heard of higher = efficiency=20 Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought they used = special=20 valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on = a tuned=20 circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the = third=20 harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third = hamonic you get a very fast = rising pulse=20 type wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned circuit as with = a class=20 D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/
 
=
I think the point about = this is=20 that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And = probably=20 will work OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may = get away=20 with one set up.
 
Now to see if it is = scalable to=20 lower power video tubes.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Tuesday, 12 = June 2012,=20 19:48
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 Class E etc

Pete es Co
The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or = E and well=20 designed would produce 70% efficiency.
The class D or E is not really an amplifier in = the convential sense it is merely an = RF switch at=20 the frequency of interest and the voltage generated is increased by a = step up=20 transformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency if you are lucky.=20
Like some have said a tube amp is more robust = and=20 tolerant of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not = careful about=20 matching to load.
I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been = going for=20 years.
Fets are probably=20 more manageable, compact  and safer regarding voltages, beware of = tubes=20 with voltages of a few K/volts at high current, like an electric=20 chair!!
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 = 11:15=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E = etc

Hi Ken
 
I believe you=20 can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than = C but=20 they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go into figures but just = think about=20 it. The high efficiency=20 output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an = amplifier.=20 The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance = to fully=20 off (which means a device that will operate well into=20 the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device = that is=20 barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good = (in terms=20 of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are = trying to=20 get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast=20 rate in-order to=20 generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are = not=20 talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although = a scope=20 on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean = looking=20 sine wave. Try it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF=20 file is very clever and is the guide I use to bring a PA into = optimum=20 performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very = well but if=20 you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF=20 then there is enough empirical data from = following=20 the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that = will get=20 you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to = bamboozle you colleagues then = that will=20 detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high = power,=20 efficient TX design well within anybodies = capabilities. The GW3UEP=20 design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the components = listing.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Ken <ken.h.wright@btinterne= t.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Monday, 11 = June=20 2012, 22:09
Subject: LF:=20 RE: Class E etc

Hi Pete.
About 40 years ago my integration was = quite=20 good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, = partial=20 integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big = problems with=20 was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space . =   Looking=20 at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET=20 PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like = valves is=20 because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also = the keep=20 the shack and the cat warm.
 
73s
 
Ken
 
M0KHW
 
From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20 [mailto: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20 ] On Behalf Of=20 M0FMT
Sent: 11=20 June 2012 19:16
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Subject: LF: Class E=20 etc
 
 
Hi Ken =
 
Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration=20 Ken?
 
Here are a couple of sites that = should answer=20 your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. = Setting=20 the conditions for the amplifier is to do with  A/ the correct = driver=20 preferably using a FET=20 drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the = FET fully on and fully off on each = cycle. Very=20 fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). = Ensuring=20 the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they = pop, look=20 out for transients, a diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting the shunt=20 capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be = done empirically = See=20 article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, = although the=20 output wave will be surprisingly= =20 clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't = necessarily=20 know all the starting parameters and in any case the = result=20 is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some = starting=20 values. Best to use 'Scope measurements= to=20 set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / = Off rise=20 times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the=20 key.
These amplifiers are capable of = incredibly good=20 efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat = dissipation=20 from the FET is very low at high=20 power giving cool heat-sinks!
 
The GW3UEP (do=20 a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency&n= bsp;and=20 high power depending upon the FET=20 used and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably = at=20 140watts and is capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with = a heat=20 sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically = using=20 the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is = the way=20 to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set = my TX up=20 into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain = wave=20 shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy = load. I then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to = the=20 input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I = adjust=20 the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the = tuner link=20 turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across = the=20 dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by = either adding=20 or reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with = bringing=20 the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead = current,=20 here you are looking for the maximum=20 peak.  
 
Oh yes and WIMA=20 high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin=20 work well.
 
Read the articles and search info on = class E=20 amplifiers. 
 
 
For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning = Procedure and the=20 pictures at the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Soka= l%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
 
For design=20 ideas
=
 
For a good practical circuit for a = single ended=20 amp that  is a scalable = surefire=20 design, no need to reinvent the = wheel.
 
=
For antennas and antenna feed methods = a "look=20 no where else site"
http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/
 
73 es GL=20 Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=
<= /DIV>

 

<= BR>

------=_NextPart_000_0076_01CD49D0.C94B8F90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6A0853800009B; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShDvn-0000U0-VR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:58:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShDvn-0000Tr-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:58:19 +0100 Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com ([74.125.82.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShDvl-00007A-EU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:58:17 +0100 Received: by wgbfa7 with SMTP id fa7so5354699wgb.28 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:58:15 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=h5Za0cVWlbioO9CmHbBNJ3IpiKuQqVMQ1E7hGbAZt/c=; b=Ve1joE6u3uzY2SLZhKILNZqIQ1aCi7iYVziW9eJypPbh236jRL5D02kfFD1kGJi87w QFPNk225L6Na0tk+uWq5qZLLviB+kp9Ief6k3S766voV1Ase21b77WjbfysfkbKs3lgJ P6b2GzHWUTQFaoRWOp9Tmy7ZdGG0+23tSs/CU3bVdswIcOME+qWWrVknSq81NJLEI+O4 dHN5P3TI0mtJwMsKlCe1SFavoCn/DCsxSHVOT6cI1Q4ZRhitIpQaunE8Ez1AOVL0QLd2 /boH4c40Iqoc6DNnEWWdaI97vUl9MUl+7IelthZc7/Kve4dCci26np+Gqqkd5qS7eFri jKsw== Received: by 10.216.142.146 with SMTP id i18mr12534825wej.74.1340171895678; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.88.180.111] (ip-109-47-0-111.web.vodafone.de. 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Content preview: ... 800 Hz bandwidth: that calls for a repetition of a Slow Voice SSB QSO Markus, DF6NM and I had a few years back on 137 kHz. We recorded our voices, slowed them down by 4 times to reduce the bandwidth down to a 600 Hz range and transmitted this signal through an SSB transmitter. On the receiving side we recorded the signal and expanded it again to a normal voice by speeding up the recording by 4 times. We were able to exchange callsigns, reports and a few words. Markus, are you ready for another round on MF? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dk8kw.di2bo[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:376295168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d289.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fe166dd5f7d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ... 800 Hz bandwidth: that calls for a repetition of a Slow Voice SSB QSO Ma= rkus, DF6NM and I had a few years back on 137 kHz. We recorded our voices, s= lowed them down by 4 times to reduce the bandwidth down to a 600 Hz range an= d transmitted this signal through an SSB transmitter. On the receiving side w= e recorded the signal and expanded it again to a normal voice by speeding up= the recording by 4 times. We were able to exchange callsigns, reports and a= few words. Markus, are you ready for another round on MF? 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO On 19.06.2012, at 14:47, pa3abk wrote: > Tks Tom, >=20 > It's an indication what we could expect from our "Beh=C3=B6rde". >=20 > - 800Hz bandwidth no restriction in mode. :-) >=20 > I like this one: > "die maximale Leistung nur dann auszusch=C3=B6pfen, wenn es zur Aufrechter= haltung einer Funkverbindung > oder f=C3=BCr experimentelle Zwecke als zwingend notwendig erachtet wird. = " >=20 > "exploit the maximum power only, in order to maintain a radio link or for e= xperimental purposes as deemed necessary." >=20 > - with 1W erp! >=20 > Jan/pa3abk >=20 > On 19-6-2012 13:57, DK1IS wrote: >> Dear group, >>=20 >> to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the MF-= allocation in Germany which I=C2=B4ve got today via email from our authorisi= ng agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). >>=20 >> 73 and cul on MF! >>=20 >> Tom, DK1IS >> JN59WK >=20 >=20 > --=20 > pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 16F2638000092; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShFQo-0000q5-Up for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:34:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShFQo-0000pw-9t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:34:26 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShFQm-0000WA-IU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:34:25 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhkFAKt74U9cHY/O/2dsb2JhbABFoA6VX4EIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQEIh3aoM5Emiy6Cf4McA4gShTWXY4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,441,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542410128" Received: from host-92-29-143-206.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.143.206]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2012 08:34:22 +0100 Message-ID: <003d01cd4eb7$1b167250$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <001301cd4e5b$49a430a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE10D99.2030003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:34:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Yes Stefan Invitation to BBQ at G3KEV QTH Bring your own BUFFALO I will supply the HAY mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:39 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 [...] Content analysis details: (0.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f45514038df04b1035abb1d5446da941 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4EB7.1ACEE200" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:420057696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d54fe17d4c2c67 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4EB7.1ACEE200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Stefan=20 Invitation to BBQ at G3KEV QTH------------- Bring your own BUFFALO = ----------I will supply the HAY mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:39 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW.=20 HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is = what they sleep on as a bed. ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left = with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus = other things. Move to the countryside for quality of life Oh is this an invitation? :-) All the reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would = have enough area for us all. Which day do you suggest. And please can we get a tutorial how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, = i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-) de dk7fc for example at a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in = the city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe the tail In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ tripe, black sausage = and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be = prepared!! Meanwhile back to MF es LF, I am now CQ on 502 but search the band = and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4EB7.1ACEE200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes Stefan
Invitation to BBQ at G3KEV QTH------------- = Bring your own=20 BUFFALO ----------I will supply the HAY
 
mal/g3kev
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 11:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay = 034


Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
Stefan
You city folks are getting confused between = HAY and=20 STRAW.
HAY is what animals EAT,  mostly = cattle, sheep=20 and Horses STRAW is what they sleep on as a bed.
ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, = this is what=20 you are left with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour = for=20 example plus other things.

Move to the countryside for quality of=20 life
Oh is this an invitation? :-)
All = the=20 reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would have = enough area=20 for us all. Which day do you suggest.

And please can we get a = tutorial=20 how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop?=20 :-)

de dk7fc


for example at a BBQ country folks roast a = whole steer=20 whereas in the city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe = the=20 tail
In Liverpool they are very particular and = BBQ =20 tripe, black sausage and pig squeal. Graham will have more = details, if=20 you go there be prepared!!
Meanwhile back to MF es LF,  I am now = CQ on 502=20 but search the band and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz=20 spectrum
 
de g3kev
 
 

------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4EB7.1ACEE200-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F34FA38000090; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scji0-0005WD-3M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:53:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scjhz-0005W4-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:53:31 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scjhx-0004Rf-EK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:53:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57KrRje027815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:53:27 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57KrRE1013884 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:53:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD1146A.4050602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:51:54 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q57KrRje027815 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jan, Thanks for the email, most interesting! So i'm really looking forward to such special condx! Do i understand you correctly, you have had a 2-way QSO on 500 kHz with a PY station? Sounds as magic as 50 MHz or so. Ah, when i read to the end to your mail it rather sounds as if you have been working as the radio operator on a ship? I have an idea: Tell it to me in a loooooooong MF CW QSO, rag chewing as some say... :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 1bc6486c2865e7dc2ff7578e6d7fc226 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430754848:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4fd114fd5bc1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jan, Thanks for the email, most interesting! So i'm really looking forward to=20 such special condx! Do i understand you correctly, you have had a 2-way=20 QSO on 500 kHz with a PY station? Sounds as magic as 50 MHz or so. Ah, when i read to the end to your mail it rather sounds as if you have=20 been working as the radio operator on a ship? I have an idea: Tell it to me in a loooooooong MF CW QSO, rag chewing as=20 some say... :-) Also thanks for the IARU link. What i find interesting is the comment=20 from TF2JB. I wonder if TF3HZ knows him? Maybe a good adress to ask for=20 common projects with Iceland below 1 MHz. 73, Stefan Am 07.06.2012 19:57, schrieb pa3abk: > Stefan, > I have experience as a "former" user of 500kHz. > Under certain conditions there are "ducts" which enables you with low=20 > power to cover large distances. > One of my favourites was EU to Brazil. Mostly in the last watch=20 > Northsea traffic was loud and clear audible off coast Rio. > This condition could last for hours. You could contact the EU=20 > coaststation rather easy on their working channels with 250W shipstx. > However high QRN in Brazil is rather problematic but sometimes the=20 > condx coincided with low QRN. > Offshore, QRN can be considerable less. > I experienced these "tunnels" also between LA & Hawaii and LA & New=20 > Zealand. > Leaving Red Sea Indian Ocean to Perth radio was also a nice link.=20 > (7000km!) > At that time I consider it as "normal" not realising that nowadays=20 > these are remarkable events if you put in hamradio perspective. > > BTW understand that Monaco seems to be 1st official country on 472kHz=20 > as from 18/5-2012. > http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle&id= =3D993:claude-passet&catid=3D53:spectrum=20 > > > Hopefully all EU countries implement this new QRG at the same time,=20 > otherwise you must keep a database in order to know were to listen for=20 > which country. > Somewhere from 439-510kHz. > EU and making decisions together worries me. > Jan/pa3abk > > > On 7-6-2012 12:45, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> Hi Joe, LF, >> >> Yes, we're here of course :-) >> Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy=20 >> narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. >> BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them=20 >> when the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an=20 >> extended frequency range then or will you have to QSY? >> And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection?=20 >> Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? >> It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however=20 >> with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> >> Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: >>> >>> Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... >>> >>> The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and >>> a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. >>> >>> 73 >>> Joe VO1NA >>> >>> This electronic communication is governed by the terms and=20 >>> conditions at >>> http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_20= 12.php=20 >>> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5B93338000085; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeBrs-0006nb-Hi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:09:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeBrr-0006nS-82 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:09:43 +0100 Received: from nm23-vm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.109.236]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeBrh-00050z-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:09:42 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.55] by nm23.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2012 21:09:31 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2012 21:09:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2012 21:09:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 681373.39015.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 39191 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2012 21:09:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=vlupXLB4byBiybcklduC03RVsj+bH6VCkNF4kwimZeNOkKeuEksNeg5LOIv6k4mQm3xbwJInIsn9fMdaNqitUsPao24LJCQ80kyzTPc/UWhG5XqOhBqbzXd5luvSSUiZDRamRxdT8DH5j8ET3JpkV4JUqVgCklUSkXBkuyny02I= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1339448971; bh=E7ebC3TaeotGku5gHJ6vJBnzyWvbxB5fn+V+CLkuQBE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=wRo/SexzR4ljaAmO2reXXmGPvTqET9ClICmblXyrToe+bTO34DGpNTWixwAwH03Ffrg8q0W+IirgPWbGfTGmQZlEQvm66H1y0pTDgvsZycv+jpSlzRkJp0oyHQJXgu3XwAZC0EyFnTOJp+FixirXvW/luqfkgHO8QxGGaAE0XjM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: _wQDfGoVM1lqYzu2RHKAMAnhcwKuWp36oQwJE5O9defsMsg oiqPBmBrTtippI7xrM9raf69JbBhr952O6pEPV26_2FpT0Dq0QnY3lOWVgzI xnJ5_2BC2r8HuztNlSfH8GMM1c1IOBFao5XkGtwjfSqyjWPFJcl3aPaw8xyi u7n7i3i4yC_20qwkCT4PErpj85Fc9FcATB4VkpgrCv8Fnim36GP9FUvdnLm3 AyLsU75nb2eRpghTZPqy2.22u5G1QAlDzLx7N4mr_IA.Fw.OVCdu1I21cM_a QMMvDNjeNC_wnH0gYZ5TSmnE3o9IyuFwpGXRcAgaIScSVRMcVJOZIFr4G6H2 7Chy50IouDnzilefn0jDoooEG2kZs6yKrjoX8pa2cd5OraUE7qqorped35EB rZpTQp3PwIm03hliiTUUKcB56zsTGWqJtvsVz6302ojtpl6kDaueahiOdAFq LhTlHswqTDP6bGjwiwxWoRuOVFoxHQL.RUIbSQBQWXwFK1pxUFlhhuEjOLxa aaeK7j_77svx6FdJtW8B4zu7HBSLs_rD.HpqchGexgRY_QE2CoT2jgxjvGcj J_X06iwcRH.3yvj4y03luPV28zeGcR1DGPzEtaGLDYea.FiO4dxxYlW1fyLx sSnAl15l4BlU4Rl4.CtU6hXHt3bn4cpVJAyKqyrnzYRROUkEiTQggIzev0wI gnsoD4TE7dkVDKVjWUvji33fUwXsjGA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- Received: from lindavideo (ken.h.wright@86.173.47.194 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2012 21:09:31 +0000 GMT From: "Ken" To: References: <1339438549.67345.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:09:29 +0100 Message-ID: <85F124CBD59C48FEB97567F3B69B2AC1@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1339438549.67345.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Ac1H/oV2i2xgB10XT2ejxDesHLhCQwAFkdwQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.236 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 8ff58773d0c146c762104379ddf38dc0 Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01CD481E.DFCC2850" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:494863616:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d223.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fd65f0107a6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CD481E.DFCC2850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. 73s Ken M0KHW _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Class E etc Hi Ken Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak. Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work well. Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers. For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps .pdf For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site" http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CD481E.DFCC2850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Pete.

About 40 years ago my integration = was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, = partial integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems = with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space .   Looking = at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by = default. The reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving devices = unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat = warm.

 

73s

 

Ken

 

M0KHW

 

From: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 11 June 2012 = 19:16
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Class E = etc

 

 

Hi Ken

 

Ha ha Stefan, how good = is your Integration Ken?

 

Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a good = dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier = is to do with  A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like = TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully = off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is = not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although = the output wave will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily = know all the starting parameters and in any case the result = is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. = Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off = rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the = key.

These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy = class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks= !

 

The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twice = that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and = C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the = way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up = into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape = on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I = then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. = I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner = link turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the = dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by either adding = or reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing = the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead = current, here you are looking for the maximum = peak.  

 

Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work = well.

 

Read the articles and search info on class E = amplifiers. 

 

 

For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure = and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sok= al%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf

 

For design ideas

 

For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that  is a = scalable = surefire design, no need to reinvent the = wheel.

 

For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site" =

 

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Now it's raining... I configured the grabber window for QRSS-3. However some dB may be lost due to QRN and the netbooks power supply. For the strong stations... Here a picture from the mobile shack: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DSC04367.JPG [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 046f068074e745d5c60ca47deee9b503 Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:413804576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fd2713c58c2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Now it's raining... I configured the grabber window for QRSS-3. However some dB may be lost due to QRN and the netbooks power supply. For the strong stations... Here a picture from the mobile shack: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DSC04367.JPG 73,Stefan/DK7FC Am 08.06.2012 15:25, schrieb Mike Dennison: > Stefan, > > I can offer a sked, but what sort of transmission do you want? > > Your CW sigs are very good again today with less static - see the > picture on my new activity blog: http://g3xdv.blog.com > The picture shows DCF39 only a little stronger than you - this is > rubbish of course, as that station was leaking round my CW filter. > > 73 de Mike > ======== > > > >> Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and >> experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and >> shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ >> (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49FV26GJ). If someone of the >> others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some >> images to >> http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html >> Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I >> will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3724538000087; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShIh4-00023v-Gw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:03:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShIh3-00023m-Um for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:03:25 +0100 Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.95]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShIh1-00025A-Gh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:03:24 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5KB3I4L031112 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:03:18 -0400 Received: from core-msc005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.209]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E047CE000089 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:03:17 -0400 (EDT) References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Webmail 36451-STANDARD Received: from 194.138.39.54 by Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com (205.188.108.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:03:17 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF1CEB6E3DA560-2320-13390@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [194.138.39.54] Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:03:17 -0400 (EDT) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81607 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340190198; bh=ZhpO7/umiHlHPdBUrdWUNfKjwRWB0DIECYPqYJPTfsw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EyxxAkzqi6+8iWLy9KWWCVD4mjI5NdES+a02+9lK9DO04yLcOoHG9Dvcsd6IRkbQl cA0J48BA6E/fNY3jNKH7CneXladK/0Mj5h0gtXTM2aycI0PfgSvoQ9A3053lTRnmSL HCEm98VaiakbE4QX3EaHGyhlCdOTk5e+Y3W2gREk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:449480320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, you can define a marker which lets you pull the FFT filter frequency with the mouse. In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the FFT filter used to crash with complex I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the recent b08. 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SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------MB_8CF1CEB6E498C40_2320_501BD_Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81607 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472534592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d226.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4fe1ae262fbf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF1CEB6E498C40_2320_501BD_Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF1CEB6E498C40_2320_501BE_Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com" ----------MB_8CF1CEB6E498C40_2320_501BE_Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Stefan, as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, you can defi= ne a marker which lets you pull the FFT filter frequency with the mouse.=20 In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the FFT filter used to crash with co= mplex I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the recent b08. Thanks Wolf, wo= rks like a charm ;-) Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mi, 20 Jun 2012 12:13 am Betreff: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW ... SDR programs Sorry Rik, i heared (probably) you calling me but i didn't catch your=20 all. PA3ABK was reasonable strong. The QSB, yes.. So maybe next time.. Another question: Those of you who have a wideband RX (SDR for example),=20 hich SDR software do you use to surf over the band? There is one from=20 2PHD and i saw another one that is based on Linux. Recommendations=20 lease. I would like to download one tonite and don't know the program=20 ith the best features. pecLab is a bit uncomfortable if the rx frequency of the filter should=20 e changed continuously... 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe: actually 501.2kHz. Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. You are 579 with the usual QSB. I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared ERP= abt=20 W. 73, Rik ON7YD ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g]=20 amens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse Jan/pa3abk On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: =20 > just in case someone wants... > I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > =20 -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it =20 ----------MB_8CF1CEB6E498C40_2320_501BE_Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Hi Stefan,
 
as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, you can=  define a marker which lets you pull the FFT filter fre= quency with the mouse.
 
In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the FFT filter used t= o crash with complex I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the re= cent b08. Thanks Wolf, works like a charm ;-)
 
Best 73,
Markus
 

 
= -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mi, 20 Jun 2012 12:13 am
Betreff: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW ... SDR programs

Sorry =
Rik, i heared (probably) you calling me but i didn't catch your=20
call. PA3ABK was reasonable strong. The QSB, yes.. So maybe next time..

Another question: Those of you who have a wideband RX (SDR for example),=20
which SDR software do you use to surf over the band? There is one from=20
I2PHD and i saw another one that is based on Linux. Recommen=
dations=20
please. I would like to download one tonite and don't know the program=20
with the best features.
SpecLab is a bit uncomfortable if the rx frequency of the filter should=20
be changed continuously...

73, Stefan

Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe:
> actually 501.2kHz.
> Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck.
> You are 579 with the usual QSB.
> I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared=
 ERP abt=20
1W.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD
>
> ________________________________________
> Van: owner-rsgb_=
lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20
namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl]
> Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30
> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@bla=
cksheep.org
> Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW
>
> Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse
> Jan/pa3abk
>
> On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote:
>   =20
>> just in case someone wants...
>> I will call until 22 UT if no one replies...
>>
>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>>
>>
>>     =20
>
> --
> pa3abk<->  dordrecht jo21it
>   =20
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Alex Tnx for the report. I was trying to see how early I could be received in Moscow which was around 2130. Condx were getting better but I went QRT. Maybe tonite I will try again and stay on longer. 73 es gl de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 2ee80849a5d572dbc974bb207a527753 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Emailing: EU (2) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD51DB.F5C887E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:504284288:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fe6c3a02d27 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD51DB.F5C887E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alex Tnx for the report. I was trying to see how early I could be received in = Moscow which was around 2130. Condx were getting better but I went QRT. = Maybe tonite I will try again and stay on longer. 73 es gl de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex K=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:27 AM Subject: LF: Re: LF: Emailing: EU (2) Hello Mal, LF! It is the first time of summer reception of UK LF station for me, = thank you Mal. Also rcvd DK7FC. 73 de rn3aus/Alex Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:52:39 -0000 =D0=BE=D1=82 "mal hamilton" = : LF Making it to the Moscow grabber on 136.173 Khz around 2130 utc = KEV QRS 30 Now QRT de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD51DB.F5C887E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Alex
Tnx for the report. I was trying to see how = early I could=20 be received in Moscow which was around 2130. Condx were getting better = but I=20 went QRT. Maybe tonite I will try again and stay on longer.
73 es gl de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alex K =
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 = 5:27 AM
Subject: LF: Re: LF: Emailing: = EU=20 (2)

Hello Mal, LF!
It is the first time of summer = reception of=20 UK LF station for me, thank you Mal.
Also rcvd DK7FC.
73 de=20 rn3aus/Alex

Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:52:39 -0000 =D0=BE=D1=82 "mal = hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
LF
Making it to the Moscow grabber on 136.173=20 Khz around 2130 = utc      KEV
QRS 30
Now QRT
de g3kev
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Just unsubscribed from the yahoo group after an handful of days. Hopefully in the near future I will receive only one half of messages about this (puzzling) contention between lists. Regards Daniele Da: Stefan Schäfer A: Lunedì 4 Giugno 2012 16:50 Oggetto: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.214 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="671563967-1794950673-1338822027=:5930" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:455795296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m015.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40924fcccdc337b1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --671563967-1794950673-1338822027=:5930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just unsubscribed from the yahoo group after an handful of days. Hopefully = in the near future I will receive only one half of messages about this (puz= zling) contention between lists.=0ARegards=0ADaniele=0A =0A=0A_____________= ___________________=0A Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: Luned=EC 4 Giugno 20= 12 16:50=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep=0A =0AHi Clive, LF,=0A=0AFor = those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account = it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo par= ty. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further= members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.=0A= =0AMy vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise.= As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has = to win and the other will be shut down after some time.=0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7= FC=0A=0AAm 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:=0A> If you have voted it= is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends.=0A>=A0 =A0 --671563967-1794950673-1338822027=:5930 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just unsubscribed from the yahoo group after an handful of days. Hopefull= y in the near future I will receive only one half of messages about this (p= uzzling) contention between lists.
Regards
Daniele

=
Da:= Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><= br> A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Inviato: Luned=EC 4 Giu= gno 2012 16:50
Oggetto: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep

Hi Clive, LF,

For = those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account = it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo par= ty. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further= members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.
<= br>My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise.= As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has = to win and the other will be shut down after some time.

73, Stefan/D= K7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
> If you have = voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends.
>   



--671563967-1794950673-1338822027=:5930-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0063D38000094; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfHvZ-0008Ia-EP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:50:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfHvY-0008IR-Kc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:50:04 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfHvW-0002im-1V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:50:03 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.46.125]) by mwinf5d25 with ME id NMpx1j0052i31Ua03Mpxhd; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:50:00 +0200 Message-ID: <2ECF51C901E94F7AA4214A38B6EA87BF@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:49:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120614-1, 14/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Good chance of a RA decode ? G. [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: cb8f4d9b6be68419653ce9b3f17d575f Subject: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4A80.05563EE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:304034592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fda5ce12c02 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4A80.05563EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR =20 Good chance of a RA decode ? G. Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC)=20 PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:44=20 PA0A G0KTN 600m OPERA 623 kms 21:40:52=20 PA3ABK G0KTN 600m OPERA 491 kms 18:53:57=20 PA0A G3XDV 600m OPERA 465 kms 21:40:53=20 PA3ABK G3XDV 600m OPERA 337 kms 18:53:58=20 PA0A PA3ABK 600m OPERA 186 kms 21:40:51=20 PA0A PA0LPN 600m OPERA 140 kms 20:41:39=20 PA3ABK PA0LPN 600m OPERA 71 kms 18:53:57=20 PA3ABK PA0LCE 600m OPERA 54 kms 18:53:58=20 PA0A PA0A 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:35=20 RA3TTS RA3TTS 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:45=20 PA0BIE PA0BIE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:15:09=20 PA0LCE PA0LCE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:38:51=20 M0FMT M0FMT 600m OPERA 0 kms 20:44:28=20 RX3DHR RX3DHR 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:40:29=20 PA3ABK PA3ABK 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:39:02=20 RN3AGC RN3AGC 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:38:55=20 G3XDV G3XDV 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:37:32=20 PA0LPN PA0LPN 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:38=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4A80.05563EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Opera  500Khz monitors  RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR 
 
Good chance of  a  RA  decode  ?
 
G.
 
 
Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC) PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:44 PA0A G0KTN 600m OPERA 623 kms 21:40:52 PA3ABK G0KTN 600m OPERA 491 kms 18:53:57 PA0A G3XDV 600m OPERA 465 kms 21:40:53 PA3ABK G3XDV 600m OPERA 337 kms 18:53:58 PA0A PA3ABK 600m OPERA 186 kms 21:40:51 PA0A PA0LPN 600m OPERA 140 kms 20:41:39 PA3ABK PA0LPN 600m OPERA 71 kms 18:53:57 PA3ABK PA0LCE 600m OPERA 54 kms 18:53:58 PA0A PA0A 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:35 RA3TTS RA3TTS 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:45 PA0BIE PA0BIE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:15:09 PA0LCE PA0LCE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:38:51 M0FMT M0FMT 600m OPERA 0 kms 20:44:28 RX3DHR RX3DHR 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:40:29 PA3ABK PA3ABK 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:39:02 RN3AGC RN3AGC 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:38:55 G3XDV G3XDV 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:37:32 PA0LPN PA0LPN 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:38
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4A80.05563EE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2FEA438000086; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkttR-0005R6-4H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:23:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkttQ-0005Qx-Lc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:23:04 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13] helo=smtpa2.mediabeam.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkttO-0004ug-Pw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:23:03 +0100 Received: from IMAP1 (balancer7.mediabeam.com [10.100.1.80]) by smtpa2.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5U9MxAZ010298 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:22:59 +0200 Received: from [192.168.178.33] (37-4-36-228-dynip.superkabel.de [37.4.36.228] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpa.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5U9MvhI010279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:22:59 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEEC581.7020804@kabelmail.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:23:13 +0200 From: DK1IS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00a901cd563a$b02b6be0$0200a8c0@boxa> <4FEE2407.3050603@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEE2407.3050603@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Am 29.06.2012 23:54, schrieb Stefan Schäfer: > MF, > > It becomes better! > > I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver like > the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It will > be easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm -> 18 > kOhm -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small box > and then there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and others > behave on long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas... > > 73, Stefan > Hi Stefan, [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f1498eebf16822c5ea85527a90413169 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090003070508050409060405" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:329035136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b4feec5be5b62 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090003070508050409060405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtpa.mediabeam.com id q5U9MvhI010279 Am 29.06.2012 23:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > MF, > > It becomes better! > > I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver like=20 > the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It will=20 > be easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm -> 18=20 > kOhm -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small box=20 > and then there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and others=20 > behave on long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas... > > 73, Stefan > Hi Stefan, using those filters in the antenna circuit of a rx keep in mind that the=20 maximum input voltage is rather limited due to the high internal Q of=20 the mechanical resonators. Here I have some 200-kHz-units from RFT with=20 maximum input voltage of 2V resp. -10 dB relative to what ever. So be=20 careful when using them with a seperat rx antenna! 73, Tom, DK1IS --------------090003070508050409060405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtpa.mediabeam.com id q5U9MvhI010279 Am 29.06.2012 23:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer:
MF,

It becomes better!

I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver like the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It will be easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm -> 18 kOhm -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small box and then there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and others behave on long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas...

73, Stefan

Hi Stefan,

using those filters in the antenna circuit of a rx keep in mind that the maximum input voltage is rather limited due to the high internal Q of the mechanical resonators. Here I have some 200-kHz-units from RFT with maximum input voltage of 2V resp. -10 dB relative to what ever. So be careful when using them with a seperat rx antenna!

73,
Tom, DK1IS
--------------090003070508050409060405-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 629AD3800008B; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbWE7-00030R-I3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:17:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbWE6-00030I-Ms for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:17:38 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbWE4-0006RG-BV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:17:37 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Am0FAPimzE9cF/mQ/2dsb2JhbABEnlIDhQCHYAGIb4EIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQEJh2MDDwesPw2JTooxYIYQA4gNhTCIbYlshHuCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,712,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="37063182" Received: from host-92-23-249-144.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.249.144]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 13:17:28 +0100 Message-ID: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 12:17:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Reference postings from G3XBM I am concerned about items 9 and 10 Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR What ever happens avoid him as a moderator [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64bc660a83b79b15f4c44d2b2147e02d Subject: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD424C.0108E400" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:491941952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fcca7b673d5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD424C.0108E400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reference postings from G3XBM I am concerned about items 9 and 10 Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those VETTING = and what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a different = opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR What ever happens avoid him as a moderator de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan Melia ; Stefan Sch=E4fer ; = Markus Vester ; James Moritz=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest that the = LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group? In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or = problems with any group to which I belong or moderate. Instead they have had these advantages: 1.. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered = in-boxes) 2.. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before = messages are received.=20 3.. All messages are archived and searchable. 4.. Large files can be stored. 5.. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth. 6.. Links can be stored/shared 7.. Videos can be stored. 8.. Polls can be run.=20 9.. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderators = to speed up the process) 10.. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. 11.. Spam messages can be filtered 12.. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc)=20 The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot understand = why the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this week it is = surely time. To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would = take about 30 seconds and migration to it by all interested members here = would take about a day at most. All you need is to agree a group name, = who owns it, who can moderate posts and some basic group ground = rules/FAQs. Please, think about it again.=20 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD424C.0108E400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Reference postings from G3XBM
I am concerned about items 9  and = 10
Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members=20 banned.
Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the = credentials of=20 those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a=20 different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of=20 HUMOUR
What ever happens avoid him as a = moderator
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ;=20 Alan Melia ; Stefan Sch=E4fer ; = Markus=20 Vester ; James Moritz
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 = 9:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" = Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE

With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again = suggest=20 that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group?

In over 10 = years I=20 have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or problems with any = group to=20 which I belong or moderate.

Instead they have had these = advantages:
  1. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered=20 in-boxes)
  2. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before = messages are=20 received.=20
  3. All messages are archived and searchable.
  4. Large files can be stored.
  5. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.
  6. Links can be stored/shared
  7. Videos can be stored.
  8. Polls can be run.=20
  9. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderators = to speed=20 up the process)
  10. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
  11. Spam messages can be filtered
  12. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc) =
The=20 advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot understand why = the=20 change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this week it is surely = time.

To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or = whatever)=20 would take about 30 seconds and migration to it by all interested = members here=20 would take about a day at most. All you need is to agree a group name, = who=20 owns it, who can moderate posts and some basic group ground=20 rules/FAQs.

Please, think about it again.

73s
Roger = G3XBM
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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

= ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD424C.0108E400-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 54F62380000BA; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfzWq-0000i8-85 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:23:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfzWp-0000hz-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:23:27 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfzWn-0003iT-J7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:23:26 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.185]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:23:25 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.20]) by cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:23:24 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:23:24 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCEB38.9090807@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:23:20 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2012 20:23:24.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1A4DEA0:01CD4BFD] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, I can hear you, marginal... In QSO some other DL station (?) But maybe it's better to listen on 501kHz, possible the filter is less attenuated there. Have my doubts, because you are very deep in the noise (and static) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:447404672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494fdceb685962 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, I can hear you, marginal... In QSO some other DL station (?) But maybe it's better to listen on 501kHz, possible the filter is less attenuated there. Have my doubts, because you are very deep in the noise (and static) FYI I have H24 solid CW QSO with g3xiz mostly S-7/8 about same distance both using about 100W. Jan/pa3abk NNNN On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Schfer wrote: > MF, > > Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter > in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the > input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much > better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still > not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. > > My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look > for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters > in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth > a try. > > Starting now! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B645C38000083; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgEz9-0005lG-63 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:53:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgEz8-0005l7-Pv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:53:42 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgEz6-0006nz-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:53:41 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5HCrd0w028138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:53:40 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5HCrdhM000984 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:53:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDDD2ED.4030701@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:51:57 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1339856589.169975917@f7.mail.ru>, <4FDD2024.2080507@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDDDF12.7289.582D18E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4FDDDF12.7289.582D18E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5HCrd0w028138 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mike, Yes, sure. And 73 kHz is very easy compared to 8.97 kHz and 8.97 kHz is very easy compared to 5.17 kHz :-)) 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: LF: rn3aus grabber online Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427100000:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194fddd3880186 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Mike, Yes, sure. And 73 kHz is very easy compared to 8.97 kHz and 8.97 kHz is=20 very easy compared to 5.17 kHz :-)) 73, Stefan Am 17.06.2012 14:43, schrieb Mike Dennison: > On 17 Jun 2012 at 2:09, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > > =20 >> Ah, BTW, see that tiny little MF coil beside the LF coil!! LF is stil >> the real hard stuff! :-) >> =20 > Yes, that's what we used to say when 136kHz came along. Easy compared > to the 12mH coils we used on 73kHz! > > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B0285380000A9; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlvW-00019n-Jg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:16:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlvW-00019e-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:16:18 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShlvT-0001yA-8W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:16:17 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.197] (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.14.177]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MICfi-1SkWoN1TyQ-003rzX; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:16:13 +0200 References: From: Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7243F07E-68B2-4DD7-B4EC-5C840DF39EA5@dk8kw.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:16:03 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:ymDe2FkU6Rk3i2fX6TgB7iU4+Kadxux/tU7qa5FkGp/ H9wxZo7VOSKjK90L24gZbnv83XChexam6FZdOOOqGbf94WXJGI YKiNp3zxPLC5uifW7OhX0x8DeKQamJ0LDONcE4naQmuFbUZffQ a0x4LI3OH/az2URNM436fYwCekQ5f6AeFx2+AlENqM/DKc7hyN Qy9rCOhmaTGyly2SHV+1x1RLZLXujjpCHgfz2WKbrzUfguCQ6S 5o2M/AU/T0lZ03SZ2oFpbBeG2/jfxU9F3bW4pU5ms0ZbeiTMhg NC059HbtPLlezf3KAeodFx8dS9C+mGvsRo0zPBTZkv7zwPEbE+ 5mpWrakUs/hDc8Oia4ObfJo33TaaUiwuDYeVLYMI9 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Uwe, Thanks for the report. I will try not to be a crocodile and will further improve my receiver. So far I worked a few stations on groundwave such as DL2HRE and DF4AY. Looking forward having a QSO with you! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 T_FRT_STOCK2 BODY: ReplaceTags: Stock (2) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fbdd513523001863775249cfaf215eac Subject: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-F7302764-9EDF-4987-AE20-C2FEBFD8104F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448718400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fe3652c206a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-F7302764-9EDF-4987-AE20-C2FEBFD8104F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Uwe, Thanks for the report. I will try not to be a crocodile and will further imp= rove my receiver. So far I worked a few stations on groundwave such as DL2HR= E and DF4AY. Looking forward having a QSO with you! 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO On 21.06.2012, at 19:54, uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de wrote: > Hi Geri, > and your signs at 472.5kHz are 599 in jo43sv. me and an other D-stn tried t= o answer your CQ call some nights ago. sri, but no reaction. > GL > Uwe/dj8wx >=20 > Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Gesendet: 20.06.2012 20:34 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams >=20 >=20 > Hello Horst, >=20 > On 20.06.2012, at 09:54, "Horst St=C3=B6cker" wrot= e: >=20 >> Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implemen= tation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. What w= as the maximum power in WRC2012? >=20 > WRC2012 allocation: 1 Watt EIRP or under speciai conditions: up to 5 Watt E= IRP. >=20 > Today we got 1 Watt ERP =3D 1.64 Watt EIRP, which is already 1/3 of the ma= ximum permissible. >=20 > With 100 Watt TX out, 2 Amperes antenna current and and 17m Umbrella anten= na I got a measured ERP of 0.4 Watt (=3D0.7 Watt EIRP).=20 >=20 > I can't see any reason to complain. >=20 >=20 > Vy 73 >=20 > Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO >=20 --Apple-Mail-F7302764-9EDF-4987-AE20-C2FEBFD8104F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Uwe,

<= div>Thanks for the report. I will try not to be a crocodile and will further= improve my receiver. So far I worked a few stations on groundwave such as D= L2HRE and DF4AY.

Looking forward having a QSO with y= ou!

73

Geri, DK8KW & D= I2BO



On 21.06= .2012, at 19:54, uwe-jannsen@kab= elmail.de wrote:

=
Hi= Geri,
and your signs at 472.5kHz are 599 in jo43sv. me and an other D-stn tried to= answer your CQ call some nights ago. sri, but no reaction.
GL
Uwe/dj8wx

Von: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Gesendet: 20.06.2012 20:34
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org
Betreff: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams


Hello Horst,

On 20.06.2012, at 09:54, "Horst St=C3=B6cker" <horst.stoecker@web.de> wrote:

Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implem= entation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. What= was the maximum power in WRC2012?

WRC2012 allocation: 1 Watt EIRP or under speciai conditions: up to 5 Wa= tt EIRP.

Today we got 1 Watt ERP =3D 1.64 Watt EIRP, which is already 1/3 of the= maximum permissible.

With 100 Watt TX out, 2 Amperes antenna current and and 17m Umbrella an= tenna I got a measured ERP of 0.4 Watt (=3D0.7 Watt EIRP). 

I can't see any reason to complain.


Vy 73

Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well shoot me down with my britches on fire! Mal I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers By RCA. I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought they used special valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you get a very fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/ I think the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away with one set up. Now to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.221 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 57c46fc57df9e768804caa43485df2f4 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-131410687-1339599103=:18960" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,OPT_HEADER,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:488106496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m407.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4fd8a93b6595 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-131410687-1339599103=:18960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well shoot me down with my britches on fire!=0A=A0=0AMal =0AI have just fou= nd an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers By RCA.=0AI have he= ard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any time because I = thought they used special valves to achieve the fast response. But apparent= ly not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode = LC being set at the third harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive= wave with the third hamonic you get a very fast rising pulse type=A0wave a= t the drive frequency in the PA tuned circuit as with a class D/E solid sta= te amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/=0A=A0=0AI think = the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like bro= adcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work OK for us on LF wi= th such narrow allocations where we may get away with one set up.=0A=A0=0AN= ow to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: mal hamilton= =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Tuesda= y, 12 June 2012, 19:48=0ASubject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc=0A =0A=0APete es= Co =0AThe class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to =0Aclass D o= r E and well designed would=A0produce 70% efficiency. =0AThe class D or E i= s not really an amplifier in the =0Aconvential sense it is merely an RF swi= tch at the frequency of interest and the =0Avoltage generated is increased = by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% =0Aefficiency if you are = lucky. =0ALike some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant =0Aof= mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is= =0Anot careful about matching to load. =0AI have some Dentron amps for the= HF bands and they have =0Abeen going for years. =0AFets are probably more = manageable, compact =A0and safer =0Aregarding voltages, beware of tubes wit= h voltages of a few K/volts at high =0Acurrent, like an electric chair!! = =0A73 de mal/g3kev =0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A= >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 = AM =0A>Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi Ken =0A>=A0 =0A>I b= elieve you can operate=A0some thermionic devices in higher classes than C= =A0but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't= go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency output stage = has to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster i= t changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (whic= h=A0means a device that will operate=A0well into the=A0VHF)=A0the higher t= he efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple o= f megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking abou= t)=A0at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the = inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to generate a = high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine = waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the outp= ut side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. =0A>=A0 =0A>That chart at the end of that PDF file is very = clever and is the guide=A0I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. = =0A>=A0 =0A>What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but = if you are trying to make a practical and=A0efficient CW TX for LF then= =A0there is enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines show= n on the sites I have posted=A0that will get you a good TX. If you want a = doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that wil= l detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, e= fficient=A0TX design well within anybodies capabilities.=A0The GW3UEP desi= gn being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no=A0RadCom=A0style unob= tainium in the components listing. =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>= =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>From: Ken =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Monday, 11 June 201= 2, 22:09=0A>Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>Hi Pete. =0A>Ab= out 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order diff= erential equations, partial integration and integration by parts, the one = thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in = free space . =A0=A0Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is pr= obably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because t= hey are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the sh= ack and the cat warm. =0A>=A0 =0A>73s =0A>=A0 =0A>Ken =0A>=A0 =0A>M0KHW =0A= >=A0 =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> =0A>From:owner- rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Be= half Of M0FMT=0A>Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16=0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg=0A>Subject: LF: Class E etc =0A>=A0 =0A>=A0Hi Ken =0A>=A0 =0A>Ha ha S= tefan, how good is=A0your Integration Ken? =0A>=A0Here are a couple of si= tes that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load and a go= od oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do with=A0= A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non a= nd TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully=A0on and fully off on e= ach cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate=A0on off timing (mark / space= ). Ensuring the=A0max permitted gate voltage for the FET=A0is not exceeded = otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps.=A0 B/ Se= tting the shunt capacitance and inductance=A0in the drain=A0circuit can be= done empirically See article below. Then follow it with=A0a=A0low pass fi= lter, although the output wave will be surprisingly clean.=A0Calculating t= he values is difficult as you don't necessarily know all the starting=A0pa= rameters and in any case=A0the result is=A0going to wide of the mark. The = site below will gives some starting values. Best to=20 use 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for= fast, very fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the dra= in circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good ef= ficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation f= rom the FET is very low at high power=A0giving cool heat-sinks! =0A>=A0The= GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency=A0= and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I ha= ve modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twice= that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L = and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for= max efficiency is the way to go. The article below shows you what you are= looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to= get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak vo= ltage across the Dummy load.=A0I then transfer my=A0connector from the Dum= my load to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I ad= just the coupling link to give the same peak voltage=A0across the tuner li= nk turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across th= e dummy load indicating a 50ohm match.=A0This is done by either=A0adding or reducing=A0the number of turns (about two turns) along= with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak=A0up= -lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak.=A0=A0 =0A>=A0 = =0A>Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work we= ll. =0A> =0A>=A0Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers.= =A0 =0A>=A0 =0A>=A0 =0A>For some bed time reading but ignor the math look= at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all rea= lly..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5= -poweramps.pdf =0A>=A0 =0A>For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ = =0A>=A0 =0A>For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp=A0that =A0= is a scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. =0A>http://= www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ =0A> =0A>=A0For antennas and antenna feed methods a = "look no where else site" =0A> =0A>http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ = =0A>=A0 =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=A0 ---176341844-131410687-1339599103=:18960 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well shoot me down with my britches on fire!
&nb= sp;
Mal
I = have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers By RCA= .
I have heard of higher ef= ficiency Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought they use= d special valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on a tu= ned circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third= harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamo= nic you get a very fast rising=0A pulse type wave at the drive frequen= cy in the PA tuned circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ....= .... http://nrcdxas.org/arti= cles/bta5t/
 
I think the point about this is that = it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters and the l= ike. And probably will work OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations wh= ere we may get away with one set up.
 
Now to see if it is scal= able to lower power video tubes.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: mal ham= ilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

=0A=0A =0A =0A
=0A
Pete es Co
=0A
The class C= tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to =0Aclass D or E and well desig= ned would produce 70% efficiency.
=0A
The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the =0Aconvential sense= it is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the =0Avoltage = generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% = =0Aefficiency if you are lucky.
=0A
L= ike some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant =0Aof mismatch to= antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is =0Anot care= ful about matching to load.
=0A
I have= some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have =0Abeen going for years.<= /font>
=0A
Fets are probably more manageable,= compact  and safer =0Aregarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltag= es of a few K/volts at high =0Acurrent, like an electric chair!!=0A
73 de mal/g3kev
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From:= =0A M0F= MT
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To: <= a title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" ymailto=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1= 1:15 =0A AM
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Subj= ect: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc
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=0A
=0A
Hi Ken
=0A
 <= /div>=0A
I believe you can =0A operate some thermionic devices in higher cl= asses than C but they =0A generally lack the frequency response of a = modern FET= . I won't go into figures= but just think about it. The high =0A efficiency output stage has to operate = =0A like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it changes s= tate =0A from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which = means a =0A device that will operate well into the VHF) the= higher the =0A efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to s= ay a couple of megs =0A its not going to be much good (in terms of what we= are talking about) at =0A 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get th= e magnetic field in the inductor to =0A rise and collapse at a very fast =0A rate in-order to generate= a =0A high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talki= ng sine =0A waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope= on the output =0A side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean look= ing sine wave. Try =0A it.
=0A
 
= =0A
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is t= he guide I use to =0A bring a PA into optimum performance.=0A
 
=0A
What I was trying to s= ay is that the math is all very well but if =0A you are trying to make a p= ractical and efficient CW TX for LF =0A then there is enough empirical =0A data f= rom following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have =0A posted&n= bsp;that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in =0A theoretica= l physics to bamboozle you =0A colleagues= then that will detract =0A from the time it takes to build a very = interesting high = power, efficient TX =0A design well within anybodies capabilities.&nb= sp;The GW<= /span>3UEP= design being =0A IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no = RadCom style unobtainium in the components listing.
=0A
&n= bsp;
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
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From: Ken =0A <ken.h.wright@btinternet.c= om>
To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org =0A
Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, =0A 22:09
Subject: LF: RE: Class =0A E etc

=0A =
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Hi =0A Pete.=
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About 40 years ago my =0A i= ntegration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equa= tions, partial =0A integration and integration by parts, the one thing I h= ad big problems with =0A was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free = space .   Looking =0A at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET =0A= PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is = =0A because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also th= e keep =0A the shack and the cat warm.
=0A
=  
=0A
73s
=0A
 
=0A
Ken
=0A
&nb= sp;
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M0KHW
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From: owner- =0A rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: =0A owner- rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org ] On =0A Behalf= Of M0FMT
Sent:<= /b> 11 June 2012 19:16
To:<= /b> =0A rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Class E =0A etc
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= ---176341844-131410687-1339599103=:18960-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 241BF3800009C; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfvkN-0007aE-MG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:21:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfvkN-0007a5-5q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:21:11 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfvkL-0002nD-Dd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:21:10 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d43 with ME id P4M71j0054U6hVe034M7rp; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:21:07 +0200 Message-ID: <8146402EAAE443729F66C932F047B78D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:21:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Stefan , What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the RX to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly into io83lk hihi 73 -G.. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 622b0ca3461797caf37867321c193763 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CE_01CD4BE4.6A7176E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:469084320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4fdcb2ab782e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01CD4BE4.6A7176E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Stefan ,=20 What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the RX = to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly into = io83lk hihi 73 -G..=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,=20 Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to = extend the range... Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:=20 Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... = ! Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise .should = work ?=20 G..=20 http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01CD4BE4.6A7176E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Stefan ,
 
What mode  are  sending  ? opera ?  If  = so =20 then   I will   set the  RX to  477  = as =20 well  , Im sure  some  signal  will  = leak  =20 directly into  io83lk  hihi
 
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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,

Most useful = link! I=20 forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the=20 range...

Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or = so.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:=20
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the =20 Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  = 477 =20 via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  = ,=20 but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
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Content preview: On 05/06/2012 10:28, mal hamilton wrote: > John > My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com > This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get > anything from the list on the left of page. > de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.215.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427467264:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m001.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fcdd4090efc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none On 05/06/2012 10:28, mal hamilton wrote: > John > My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com > This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get > anything from the list on the left of page. > de mal/g3kev Mal Login to yahoo and go to here http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join Look for (Add new email address) and click - you may need to log in again. Add your talktalk email address Go back to http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join the talktalk address should now be listed Select the radio button next to it Select the other options you want in steps 2 and 3 below Select save changes Now the yahoo group email will go to your talktalk a/c. 73 Stewart/G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B7CFE380000D7; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjDib-0001EM-No for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:08:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjDib-0001ED-5b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:08:57 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjDiY-0007jQ-Fw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:08:56 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AisKAACo6E9cHYEh/2dsb2JhbABEigmqdQOBMIEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMlASMCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh3UJB7hUizMbeIFTgxwDjUuIdY5vgl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,473,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="39817540" Received: from host-92-29-129-33.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.33]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 2012 19:08:53 +0100 Message-ID: <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:08:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the Dreamers band. You have done well and other German stns on the 9 Khz band whereas in the UK there is no interest or no one capable of transmitting other than a few metres down the road. QRP mania reigns in the UK with no chance of making any QSO. On this band high power is needed I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with other persuits at present. On LF at present it seems only DL7FC es G3KEV are able to work DX 73 De G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497917696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584fe8a99c3772 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the Dreamers band. You have done well and other German stns on the 9 Khz band whereas in the UK there is no interest or no one capable of transmitting other than a few metres down the road. QRP mania reigns in the UK with no chance of making any QSO. On this band high power is needed I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with other persuits at present. On LF at present it seems only DL7FC es G3KEV are able to work DX 73 De G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Cc: "Paul" ; "Christoph Maurer" Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > VLF, > > It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to > inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of > Darmstadt, http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run > by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. > Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some > earthquake precursors. > I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced him to > share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He > even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU resources > for that at the moment though. > The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, > http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it > should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even > in summer. > If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF event. > BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June 2012 > :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to extend it. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1E9E13800009B; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SipQ5-0006zZ-8z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:12:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SipQ4-0006zQ-RX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:12:12 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SipQ3-0002X5-4l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:12:11 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5OGCAka011618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:12:10 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5OGC9g2013257 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:12:09 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE73BEC.4060107@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:10:20 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> <4FE7348B.3080601@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FE7348B.3080601@kpnmail.nl> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jan, Thanks for the info. Yes, he seems to have a 500 kHz LO (?) due to the black gap at 500 kHz which seems to come from his lower cutoff frequency of the converter. If a 2 MHz ( /4) xtal is used, maybe a 1.8432 MHz xtal may be the alternative... [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: Re: LF: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:398695328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fe73ca53b66 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jan, Thanks for the info. Yes, he seems to have a 500 kHz LO (?) due to the black gap at 500 kHz which seems to come from his lower cutoff frequency of the converter. If a 2 MHz ( /4) xtal is used, maybe a 1.8432 MHz xtal may be the alternative... 73, CU, Stefan Am 24.06.2012 17:38, schrieb pa3abk: > Received an email from Wouter PA3WEG. > > The WebSDR is x-tal driven, but he will look at it to get the unit > somewhat lower. > He intends to widen the bandpass filter in such it will catch the > lower end more effectively. > > In future the SDR will receive new hardware for VHF/UHF or 4 & 6m > Also 137kHz will receive some attention. > > His main problem is time.... > At the moment he is very busy with the FUNcube satelliet project. > (funcube.org.uk) > > Jan/pa3abk > > > NNNN > On 16-6-2012 18:02, Graham wrote: >> Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... ! >> Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft >> can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise >> .should work ? >> G.. >> http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6466238000094; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShEP2-0000dx-Uj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:28:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShEP2-0000do-Fr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:28:32 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShEP0-0000Fi-Kc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:28:31 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: CFCFC1380BB.AE577 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCFC1380BB for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:28:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA87120041 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:28:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::a470:76b3:406d:2b1a%27]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:28:22 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: Test signal needed Thread-Index: AQHNTm2qQZOgOTnwJESB0XzNInVbIJcCvQ8X Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:28:22 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB1C6F@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be>,<4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.13] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.129 (rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, sorry, I went of to bed at 22:30UTC ... wakeup time is 04:30UTC. Maybe tonight. About the TX antenna used as RX antenna: that often works fine if you do not overload the RX (BC at 525kHz+). I always use the 20dB attenuator of my good old TS440 to RX on my 11m high / 25m ling Lazy-L antenna. As long as the band noise is above the RX noise you won't loose any sensititity. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: d7907c3bf895ca41e0bedc3fa074f0d4 Subject: LF: RE: Test signal needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:476645056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494fe16dc73aa2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, sorry, I went of to bed at 22:30UTC ... wakeup time is 04:30UTC. Maybe tonight. About the TX antenna used as RX antenna: that often works fine if you do no= t overload the RX (BC at 525kHz+). I always use the 20dB attenuator of my g= ood old TS440 to RX on my 11m high / 25m ling Lazy-L antenna. As long as th= e band noise is above the RX noise you won't loose any sensititity. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: woensdag 20 juni 2012 0:44 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Test signal needed Rik, MF, Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. Maybe you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops that were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test signals from amateurs. 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > actually 501.2kHz. > Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. > You are 579 with the usual QSB. > I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared ER= P abt 1W. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg] namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] > Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW > > Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse > Jan/pa3abk > > On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > >> just in case someone wants... >> I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> >> > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it >= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E4E093800004C; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd1Cb-00007v-J5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:34:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd1Cb-00007m-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:34:17 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd1CZ-0008C7-CM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:34:16 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag4FAAUb0k9cF/6o/2dsb2JhbABFnnYDjyeGMIEIghMRAwEBA0kCIQsCCAIBBgECGQInEgECAQEaBiQZBAECAgEBh365I5EmA4gNhTF6gR6VQ4Jg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,377,1336345200"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="37628503" Received: from host-92-23-254-168.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.168]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Jun 2012 16:34:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000901cd458c$26bef840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:34:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: G3KEV secret MF weapon that crossed the Atlantic on CW de mal/g3kev G3KEV secret MF weapon that crossed the Atlantic on CW [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_OBFU_JPG_ATTACH BODY: JPG attachment with generic MIME type 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5e87126383552ae11690d026623e516d Subject: LF: Emailing: malk 106 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD458C.264A1660" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81358 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:276556096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fd21bc006dd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD458C.264A1660 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD458C.264A1660" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD458C.264A1660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G3KEV secret MF weapon that crossed the Atlantic on CW de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD458C.264A1660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: As an interested reader of the reflector, option (a) seems a good compromise... Julian, G3YGF [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [91.220.42.78 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4ad75ad27eb9a353f40105f6e3872b5c Subject: LF: RE: Blacksheep and Yahoo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CD537D.82A8887D" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:398169056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4fe980210055 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CD537D.82A8887D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As an interested reader of the reflector, option (a) seems a good compromise... Julian, G3YGF =20 =20 ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn Sent: 22 June 2012 16:43 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Subject: LF: Blacksheep and Yahoo =20 Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent poll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to Yahoo, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either place or both. Personally I think we need to either:=20 (a) Keep day-to-day posts on Blacksheep and use the Yahoo group just as an LF/MF/VLF archiving facility where links, schematics, pictures and screenshots etc can be kept for the long-term i.e. not post day-to-day sked type messages on Yahoo. or (b) Fully migrate to Yahoo and close the Blacksheep reflector.=20 We all want the best way of communicating LF/MF/VLF news and information and we also want the ability to archive important and helpful data for newcomers and history. As long as this is achieved most of us don't mind how.=20 I proposed a full move to a Yahoo group as it allows both quick email type messaging and archiving. IMHO this is still the better option, but it is not my place to dictate what experienced LFers prefer.=20 Constructive and helpful comments please. 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ --=20 Queen's Award for Enterprise and Innovation 2011 Roke Manor Research Ltd Romsey, Hampshire, SO51 0ZN, United Kingdom http://www.roke.co.uk Part of the Chemring Group Registered in England & Wales at: Chemring Group PLC, Chemring House, 1500 Parkway, Whiteley, Fareham, Hampshire PO15 7AF, ENGLAND.=20 Registered No: 267550 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments is proprietary to Roke Manor Research Ltd and must not be passed to any third party without permission. 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As an interested reader of the reflect= or, option (a) seems a good compromise...

Julian, G3YGF=

 

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn
Sent: 22 June 2012 16:43
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org; rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Subject: LF: Blacksheep and = Yahoo

 

Just wondering ho= w people think the current set-up is working? The recent poll suggested a large majo= rity would be happy with a full migration to Yahoo, but we seem to now have a ve= ry messy split with postings in either place or both.

Personally I think we need to either:

(a) Keep day-to-day posts on Blacksheep and use the Yahoo group just= as an LF/MF/VLF archiving facility where links, schematics, pictures and screenshots etc can be kept for the long-term i.e. not post day-to-d= ay sked type messages on Yahoo.

or

(b) Fully migrate to Yahoo and close the Blacksheep reflector.

We all want the best way of communicating LF/MF/VLF news and information an= d we also want the ability to archive important and helpful data for newcomers a= nd history. As long as this is achieved most of us don't mind how.

I proposed a full move to a Yahoo group as it allows both quick email type messaging and archiving. IMHO this is still the better option, but it is no= t my place to dictate what experienced LFers prefer.

Constructive and helpful comments please.

73s
Roger G3XBM

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Content preview: Hello Daniele,once I used the 12au7 as mixerstage in an old tube broadcastreceiver with very good results,much more sensitive and less IM than the usual ECH81.I never tried it but my guess it 's very good for a hi-Z pre-amp [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.134.42.53 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: bb953ecadee360a40f72202c1637b86b Subject: RE: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5098.A96C23A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:360178080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4fe489072197 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5098.A96C23A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Daniele,once I used the 12au7 as mixerstage in an old tube broadcastreceiver with very good results,much more sensitive and less IM than the usual ECH81.I never tried it but my guess it 's very good for a hi-Z pre-amp 73 Victor PS.no semiconductor is a match for a warm glowing glass tube. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele Tincani Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 16:36 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Hello Victor, thanks for your reply. In fact, now I think I will use th= e 12AU7 for a hi-Z pre-amp for a whip or a tuned loop (this again is just f= or playing with that old glassy lady :-)). As for the BD139, I didn't even suspect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good for power stages... 73 Daniele IZ5WWB Da: "victor13@online.nl" A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Inviato: Venerd=EC 22 Giugno 2012 16:19 Oggetto: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Hello Daniele, some months ago I made a broadbanded ferriterod to cope with heavy qrm = on the 80 and 160m band.The ferite comes from a submarine and is specified 10KHz to 4 MHZ with a symmetrical feedingcable to a ELK675 or other recei= ver without a preamp.Since I don't have such a receiver I made a balanced two stage amp with 4x BD139 grounded base.The antenna copes good with the QRM= on 80 and 160,it also performs very well on the MW broadcastband.In the rang= e 200-500KHz it is sometimes better than the E-probe,below 200KHz the E-pro= be wins.IM is no problem but maby the noise of the amp is to high below 200K= Hz. The ferriterod is about750X100mm! I don't think the 12AU7 is a good choice for a low inputimpedance amp...Zinput 2X BD139 is about 3 Ohm. 73 GL Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele Tincani Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 9:42 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Hello LF, I apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was already largely debated here. I have seven of those quite known russian surplus ferrite r= ods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun - I'm planning to spend some time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF and/or LF-MF, suitable for outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some suggestions about is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? I found an unused 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be effectively chosen as the active device (low voltage) for such amplifier? Thank you for any feedback 73 Daniele IZ5WWB ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5098.A96C23A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Daniele,once I used the 12au7 as mixerstage in an old tube=20 broadcastreceiver with very good results,much more sensitive and less IM = than=20 the usual ECH81.I never tried it but  my guess it 's very good for = a hi-Z=20 pre-amp
 
73
 
Victor
PS.no=20 semiconductor is a match for a warm glowing glass = tube.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele=20 Tincani
Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 16:36
Aan: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: Ferrite=20 broadband (LF-MF) antenna?

Hello Victor, thanks for your reply. In fact, now I think I = will=20 use the 12AU7 for a hi-Z pre-amp for a whip or a tuned loop (this = again is=20 just for playing with that old glassy lady :-)). As for the BD139, I = didn't=20 even suspect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good = for power=20 stages...
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 

Da:=20 "victor13@online.nl" <victor13@online.nl>
A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
Inviato: Venerd=EC = 22 Giugno=20 2012 16:19
Oggetto: = LF: RE:=20 Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?

Hello Daniele,
 
some months ago I made a broadbanded = ferriterod to cope=20 with heavy qrm on the 80 and 160m band.The ferite comes from a = submarine and=20 is specified 10KHz to 4 MHZ with a symmetrical feedingcable to a = ELK675 or=20 other receiver without a preamp.Since I don't have such a receiver I = made a=20 balanced two stage amp with 4x BD139 grounded base.The antenna copes = good with=20 the QRM on 80 and 160,it also performs very well on the MW = broadcastband.In=20 the range 200-500KHz it is sometimes better than the E-probe,below = 200KHz the=20 E-probe wins.IM is no problem but maby the noise of the amp is to high = below=20 200KHz.
The ferriterod is = about750X100mm!
I don't think the 12AU7 is a good choice for = a low=20 inputimpedance amp...Zinput 2X BD139 is about 3 = Ohm.
 
73
GL
Victor
PA3FNY
 
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Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele=20 Tincani
Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 = 9:42
Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: Ferrite = broadband=20 (LF-MF) antenna?

Hello LF,
 
I apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was already = largely=20 debated here. I have seven of those quite known russian surplus = ferrite=20 rods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun - I'm planning to spend = some=20 time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain=20 a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF and/or = LF-MF,=20 suitable for outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some=20 suggestions about is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar = to those=20 used in air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. = Any=20 ideas? I found an unused 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be=20 effectively chosen as the active device (low=20 voltage) for such amplifier?
Thank you for any feedback
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 


------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5098.A96C23A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9BE733800009D; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfwFs-0007ox-F5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:53:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfwFs-0007oo-08 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:53:44 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfwFp-0002wa-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:53:42 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d43 with ME id P4tf1j00J4U6hVe034tfB8; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:53:40 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:53:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx - Geri, Well , you can switch on the CW ID and Opera will send plain CW then the beacon : ) If you can run the Op beacon into the night, I think you should decode into the UK , but may be only after dark , some hours yet I would think many stations would be waiting for the first data signal from DL hihi [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3547ef0bd9aa4f6a2596c8a6b1b20265 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CD4BE8.F6028AB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475627104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4fdcba49660e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CD4BE8.F6028AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx - Geri,=20 Well , you can switch on the CW ID and Opera will send plain CW = then the beacon : ) If you can run the Op beacon into the night, I think you should = decode into the UK , but may be only after dark , some hours yet=20 I would think many stations would be waiting for the first data = signal from DL hihi 73 -G..=20 From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:37 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft=20 Graham, Thanks for the reception report via Delft ... interesting ways these = days ... I will keep OPERA running for a while on 477 and switch to old = fashioned CW later tonight. 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:02 PM Subject: LF: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft=20 Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... = ! Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise .should = work ?=20 G..=20 http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01CD4BE8.F6028AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx - Geri,
 
Well , you  can  switch on the  CW ID  = and =20 Opera  will  send  plain  CW  then the  = beacon :=20 )
If you can  run the  Op beacon  into the  = night, I=20 think  you  should  decode into the  UK , but =20 may  be only after  dark , some  hours yet
I would  think  many stations  would  be = waiting =20 for the  first  data  signal from  DL hihi
 
73 -G..
 

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:37 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via = Delft=20

Graham,
 
Thanks for the reception report via = Delft ...=20 interesting ways these days ... I will keep OPERA running for a while on = 477 and=20 switch to old fashioned CW later tonight.
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 6:02=20 PM
Subject: LF: Opera Monitoring = 500 off air=20 & 477 via Delft

Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the =20 Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  = 477 =20 via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  = ,=20 but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John, You wrote: > ... > Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, > how do you want to continue? > > o With the Yahoo! 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: like ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file. 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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 = 6:35=20 AM
Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA = running at 12=20 VDC

If someone=20 is interested i may convert the=20 = circuit from my mind into= a=20 schematic as a png file.

 

Always interested = ;-)

 

73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T

------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01CD5505.CA7512C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E6E5738000085; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfKDx-0000kX-FY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:17:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfKDx-0000kO-2p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:17:13 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfKDv-0003H1-MR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:17:11 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.46.125]) by mwinf5d07 with ME id NQHA1j00A2i31Ua03QHBq6; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:17:11 +0200 Message-ID: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:17:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120614-1, 14/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: New QRG for 472 Khz Band??? Suggestions needed for a QRG for the new 472 KHz band Dial set USB frequency , taking into account other band users ! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: LF: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4A94.9684C030" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:279693504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4fda7f493f74 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4A94.9684C030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New QRG for 472 Khz Band??? Suggestions needed for a QRG for the new 472 KHz band Dial set USB frequency , taking into account other band users ! Tnx - G ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4A94.9684C030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
New QRG for 472 Khz Band???

Suggestions needed for a QRG for = the new=20 472 KHz band

Dial set USB frequency , taking into account other = band=20 users !

Tnx - G
------=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4A94.9684C030-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8348038000082; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfTKX-0001kg-AF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:00:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfTKW-0001kX-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:00:36 +0100 Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.96]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfTKU-0005Qn-2D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:00:35 +0100 Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NZoS1j0010cZkys59a0XM8; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:00:31 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Na0W1j0060CFS1j3Wa0WQi; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:00:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01cd4add$b33c1720$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDA6F0F.3080104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:00:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Your signal reached the high water mark of 20 dB s/n in 28 mHz last night. Capture at http://www.w1vd.com/grabber.html . Thanks to good condx (DST of -15nt and low static levels) we can put a check mark next to June! [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.96 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.1 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489828768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fdb07f7176f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan Your signal reached the high water mark of 20 dB s/n in 28 mHz last night. Capture at http://www.w1vd.com/grabber.html . Thanks to good condx (DST of -15nt and low static levels) we can put a check mark next to June! Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Jay, LF, This night i will continue with LF transmissions, same procedure. So far the conds in EU and to 4X are excellent! Maybe we can make it this night to W1... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 12.06.2012 14:10, schrieb Stefan Schfer: > Hi Jay, > > We still have no success in Jnue so if we want to get a full call detection in each month we have > to find a suitable days soon. > > Well, all right about the DST stuff. However you know i simply like transmitting so i usually do > not care about the condx. From time to time there is a surprise een in "bad" conds. Like > yesterday! 4X1RF temporary started his grabber in Haifa and to my surprise we got very good > results over that 2850km distance. About 25 dB S/N, see > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Juni2012.jpg > Sure, crossing the pond is another story. Let's do it in the coming days :-) > > BTW what about your TX? Are you ready for a transmission? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 12.06.2012 12:12, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: >> Sefan >> >> Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at 'disturbed' levels it is >> unlikely that I would have had reception of your signals. It might be a good idea to check >> http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html for the DST levels before an >> overnight T/A attempt. Generally speaking, condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or >> better for a couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th or 10th would have been better >> T/A nights. The big dip starting on the 10th is a problem. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:09 PM >> Subject: LF: Beacon to the west >> >> >>> LF, >>> >>> Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night. The TX is already on air... >>> >>> In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it may be a bit difficult to >>> become visible in TA. But who knows... >>> >>> At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for distances below 3000 km. Probably >>> because the area in darkness is small on the northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away >>> is attenuated. So the distances within the first hop range may be a bit lower than in winther >>> but maybe the noise is even lower so S/N improvement of some dB results. >>> At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done many tests and the radiated >>> signal was even 3 dB stronger than a few days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm >>> thinking different about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! >>> >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CB8FD38000091; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 18:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skjuq-0004RW-Sl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:43:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skjuq-0004RN-EV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:43:52 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skjuo-0001Df-Lu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:43:51 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.202]) by mwinf5d41 with ME id UNjp1j0044MjVGq03Njpcy; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:43:49 +0200 Message-ID: <8B98C12BF8674032BE65C77886A6E783@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1341006419.32377.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1341008032.98380.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1341008032.98380.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:43:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Even less now !!. no decode that time .. 22:05 500 M0FMT de G0KTN Op4 99 mi -9 dB in Bath, UK IO81 with 1w + LW UP 35FTx 22:37 500 M0FMT de G0KTN Op4 99 mi -15 dB in Bath, UK IO81 with 1w + LW UP 35FT [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e57013951ca4c86ddcf48e741efd2b78 Subject: Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD5651.07CA2380" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:403571584:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fee2fef4422 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD5651.07CA2380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Even less now !!. no decode that time .. 22:05 500 M0FMT de G0KTN Op4 99 mi -9 dB in Bath, UK IO81 with 1w + LW = UP 35FTx 22:37 500 M0FMT de G0KTN Op4 99 mi -15 dB in Bath, UK IO81 with 1w + LW = UP 35FT From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:13 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG Whoops may be its not all going up the antenna, looking at first rprts. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =20 Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 22:46 Subject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG Hi All Opera now 500 RX QRG! Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS = hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD5651.07CA2380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Even less  now  !!. no  decode  that  = time =20 ..

22:05 500 M0FMT de G0KTN Op4 99 mi -9 dB in Bath, UK IO81 = with 1w +=20 LW UP 35FTx

22:37 500 M0FMT de G0KTN Op4 99 mi -15 dB in Bath, UK IO81 = with 1w +=20 LW UP 35FT

 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:13 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG

Whoops may be its not all going up the antenna, looking at = first=20 rprts.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= "=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >=20
Sent: Friday, 29 = June 2012,=20 22:46
Subject: LF: = Opera now=20 500 RX QRG

Hi All
 
Opera now 500 RX QRG!
 
Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF = block on=20 DDS hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT=20 IO91UX


------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD5651.07CA2380-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DAEDA38000090; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiqCV-00078X-5k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:02:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiqCU-00078O-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:02:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiqCR-0002ep-RJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:02:13 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusIAGZH509cHYH5/2dsb2JhbABErXAEg1GENoEIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCGRMBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh363cYszhgIDiBWFNpdkgl+BXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,468,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="39692233" Received: from host-92-29-129-249.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.249]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2012 18:01:50 +0100 Message-ID: <006501cd522b$0a7dcb60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003f01cd5215$5690bf50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE72612.3070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <005101cd521c$e7403880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE73282.7000502@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:01:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Stefan Buffalo or Bison and no small suckling pigs they would fall through the grill If I am lucky I find pheasants, pigeons, crows and deer already cooked under my LF Antenna !! ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 222431427b0fb799ed82c2c5d7851cd5 Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01CD522B.0A4BBEE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488469952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fe7486012b3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CD522B.0A4BBEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan Buffalo or Bison and no small suckling pigs they would fall through the = grill If I am lucky I find pheasants, pigeons, crows and deer already cooked = under my LF Antenna !! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Mal,=20 You should buy a loong CAT5 cable (twisted pairs) and feed the = speaker and key lines outside to the BBQ! Then you can call CQ and = rotate the suckling pig to the same time! 100m cable length should be no = problem, although the rise time of the CW impulses could be a bit longer = due to the cable C ;-) 73, Stefan Am 24.06.2012 17:20, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan I only work LF and MF CW around EU and only use QRSS for DX when = necessary. I also get many private emails about activities on LF/MF from those = who do not want to be reflector members and there are PLENTY I get more reports and comments privately than via the reflector.=20 There were 3 stations active this morning on MF and NONE are = reflector members !!! I have worked them many times on cw This is a busy time of year for me outside also BBQ'S etc but the wx = has been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ yesterday evening. The Moscow grabber is useful and I was visible early last nite = around 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening up. later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 for me but I went QRT = getting too late and I am always in the shack when the TX is on always hoping for a QSO NO Beacon 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but = few are listening or transmitting. I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these = days i think... even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for you, sri ;-) Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have = advantages. Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought = all of Germany would be calling. I'm not in Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, = like in the last evenings. BTW i got several reports by email from people who aren't member = of the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for home = constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many newcomers on the = band. We have to supply them by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned.. I'm going to play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to = become a full size dipole for 630m :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CD522B.0A4BBEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
Buffalo or Bison and no small suckling pigs they = would=20 fall through the grill
If I am lucky I find pheasants, pigeons, crows = and deer=20 already cooked under my LF Antenna !!
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 = 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF

Mal,

You should  buy a loong CAT5 cable = (twisted=20 pairs) and feed the speaker and key lines outside to the BBQ! Then you = can=20 call CQ and rotate the suckling pig to the same time! 100m cable = length should=20 be no problem, although the rise time of the CW impulses could be a = bit longer=20 due to the cable C ;-)

73, Stefan

Am 24.06.2012 17:20, = schrieb=20 mal hamilton:=20
Stefan
I only work LF and MF CW around EU and = only use=20 QRSS for DX when necessary.
I also get many private emails about = activities on=20 LF/MF from those who do not want to be reflector members and there = are=20 PLENTY
I get more reports and comments privately = than via the=20 reflector.
There were 3 stations active this morning on = MF and=20 NONE are reflector members !!!  I have worked them many times = on=20 cw
This is a busy time of year for me outside = also BBQ'S=20 etc but the wx has been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ = yesterday=20 evening.
The Moscow grabber is useful and I was = visible early=20 last nite around 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening = up.
later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 = for=20 me but I went QRT getting too late and I am always in the shack = when=20 the TX is on
always hoping for a QSO
NO Beacon
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
-----=20 Original Message ----- From:=20 Stefan Sch=E4fer To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent:=20 Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:37 PM Subject:=20 Re: LF: QUIET LF


Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
At this time of year there is = propagation on both=20 LF es MF but few are listening or transmitting.
 
I've been calling several times = today but=20 people prefer BBQ these days i think...

even the majority of DX grabbers are = switched=20 off
My DX grabber is ON but is no DX = for you, sri=20 ;-)

Lack of activity is the problem although = the=20 winter does have advantages.
Surprised at the lack of acty on the new = 472 -=20 479. I thought all of Germany would be=20 calling.
I'm not in Heidelberg at the = moment,=20 otherwise i would be active, like in the last evenings.

BTW = i got=20 several reports by email from people who aren't member of the = reflector so=20 i think after one or two time constants for home constructed MF = stations,=20 there will hopefully be many newcomers on the band. We have to = supply them=20 by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned..
I'm going to play with = the earth=20 antenna soon and modify it to become a full size dipole for 630m=20 :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


 
de mal/g3kev
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------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CD522B.0A4BBEE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EA27A38000083; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfUF0-0001vc-65 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:58:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfUEz-0001vT-OQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:58:57 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfUEy-0005gq-7R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:58:56 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.21.220]) by mwinf5d37 with ME id Nays1j00D4kuJTE03aysev; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:58:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: Cc: References: <2ECF51C901E94F7AA4214A38B6EA87BF@AGB> <1339713343.26292.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FDADCB8.2010608@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FDADCB8.2010608@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:58:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120615-0, 15/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Good result Albert ! so much for MF being a winter pastime ! G.. From: Albert Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 7:56 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 52d17ee6003fa6763aae891a69410baf Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD4AEE.3B820120" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:409776096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fdb15bc28b9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD4AEE.3B820120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good result Albert ! so much for MF being a winter pastime ! G.. From: Albert=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 7:56 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Nice OPERA DX last night, thanks to Vladimir, Andrey and Alexey for = receiving my signals. 22:41 500 PA0A de RX3DHR Op4 2117 km -22 dB in Zaraysk . 22:41 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -23 dB in Moscow 22:36 500 PA0A de RA3TTS Op4 2523 km -29 dB in N.Novgorod 73, Albert PA0A ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD4AEE.3B820120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good result Albert !
so much  for MF being  a  winter pastime !
 
G..

From: Albert
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors=20 RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR

Nice OPERA DX last night, thanks to = Vladimir, Andrey=20 and Alexey for receiving my signals.

22:41    500 PA0A de RX3DHR = Op4 2117=20 km -22 dB in Zaraysk    = .

22:41    500 PA0A de RN3AGC = Op4 2019=20 km -23 dB in Moscow

22:36    500 PA0A de RA3TTS = Op4=20 2523 km -29 dB in N.Novgorod


73, Albert=20 PA0A






------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD4AEE.3B820120-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BDBB53800008E; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SesWE-0003P4-Le for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:42:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SesWE-0003Ov-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:42:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SesWC-0005PO-GI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:42:13 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAKTe2E9cHn9P/2dsb2JhbABFn2YDlVeBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAhwQAQEDBQIBAwQNBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfro0izGCdoMbA4gOhTKXXYJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,405,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="375513766" Received: from host-92-30-127-79.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.127.79]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2012 19:42:10 +0100 Message-ID: <00a801cd4994$3ab43b10$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <009e01cd4992$8173df80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:42:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: More info requested Xtal osc or VFO with output of 5V sq or sine wave not critical and 27V regulated at 300mA for driver stages and 60/70V for PA FETS With an adjustable HT psu, regulation not required the output can be varied from Nil to 400 Watts. de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 20fb97b64762a0bd80c12a4b2f6724b0 Subject: LF: Re: decca 5501 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A5_01CD4994.3A847880" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429885632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fd8df462c5d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01CD4994.3A847880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable More info requested Xtal osc or VFO with output of 5V sq or sine wave not critical and 27V = regulated at 300mA for driver stages and 60/70V for PA FETS With an adjustable HT psu, regulation not required the output can be = varied from Nil to 400 Watts. de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:29 PM Subject: LF: decca 5501 MF Now that MF is shaping up with DL permits and others. If you can find = a DECCA sub unit 5501 it takes less than a couple of hours to modify/ = adapt for the 472 Khz band. In round figure values all that is needed is = a 22uH in series with 5 nF C. Adjust L for frequency of interest of = centre of band. A matching transformer is then required to match approx = 5 Ohms to 50 Ohms and LPF to the antenna. I use an old tube TV LOPT and it works well with good efficiency. A couple of hours work and you can be on the new 473 band. A loaded = inv L antenna and you are in business. 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01CD4994.3A847880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
More info requested
Xtal osc or VFO with output of 5V sq or sine = wave not=20 critical and 27V regulated at 300mA for driver stages and 60/70V = for PA=20 FETS
With an adjustable HT psu, regulation not=20 required the output can be varied from Nil to 400 = Watts.
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 = 6:29=20 PM
Subject: LF: decca 5501

MF
Now that MF is shaping up with DL permits = and=20 others. If you can find a DECCA sub unit 5501 it takes less than a = couple of=20 hours to modify/ adapt for the 472 Khz band. In round figure values = all that=20 is needed is a 22uH in series with 5 nF C. Adjust L for = frequency of=20 interest of centre of band. A matching transformer is then required to = match=20 approx 5 Ohms to 50 Ohms and LPF to the antenna.
I use an old tube TV LOPT and it works  = well with=20 good efficiency.
A couple of hours work and you can be on the = new 473=20 band. A loaded inv L antenna and you are in = business.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01CD4994.3A847880-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 45D1238000090; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 02:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgrum-0002dB-Bw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:27:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgrul-0002d2-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:27:47 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sgruj-0001HI-Fm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:27:46 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 703EA12808F.AE3F7 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703EA12808F for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:27:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CB8420041 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:27:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::a470:76b3:406d:2b1a%27]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:27:37 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: 475kHz grabber Thread-Index: AQHNTXyYaQJO6hV/C0mXnK3xOS7EOJcAgsWAgACq6Go= Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 06:27:37 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB1224@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB10AA@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be>,<4FDFA81D.3050104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDFA81D.3050104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.11] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, your DDS is probably OK. For some odd reason Argo sometimes shows a frequency offset. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: RE: LF: 475kHz grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437429632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fe01c3e2799 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan, your DDS is probably OK. For some odd reason Argo sometimes shows a frequency offset. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 0:13 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: 475kHz grabber Hello Rik, How accurate is your grabber QRG? Am i really 20 Hz off the QRG with the DDS VFO here? 73, Stefan Am 18.06.2012 20:02, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > On request of Marco, DD7PC, I am running a grabber on 475kHz (474.95-475.= 05): > http://www.strobbe.eu/argo/ > The grabber may be interrupted for a QSO. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2012 16:03 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: Further MF impressions > > MF, > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in > the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is > significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see > that the band noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the > current setup. > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in > these first days... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0248F380000A5; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUss-0005W5-4H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:28:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUsr-0005Vw-Iz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:28:41 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjUso-0005tR-T9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:28:40 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5QCScGQ002177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:28:38 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QCSbGf011270 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:28:37 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE9AA87.3060308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:26:47 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE8E412.5000909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <9B92E5E758664934B13502459785E3F5@AGB> <4FE8F02F.2030304@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <005801cd5383$dd63d160$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <005801cd5383$dd63d160$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5QCScGQ002177 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK. I recommend to use an RF amperemeter to find the resonance. An analog one of course. That makes resonating a fun, very comfortable. Also you can easily calculate the losses if the RF power is known. Remember: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/VLF/VLFcoil.jpg [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f45514038df04b1035abb1d5446da941 Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471207008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fe9ab2c3d7c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none OK. I recommend to use an RF amperemeter to find the resonance. An=20 analog one of course. That makes resonating a fun, very comfortable.=20 Also you can easily calculate the losses if the RF power is known. Remember: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/VLF/VLFcoil.jpg 73, Stefan Am 26.06.2012 12:10, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > I have calculated that I need 150 mH loading coil for 9 Khz. I have alr= eady > resonated the antenna using some ferrite core inductors and can hear it > singing at 9 khz with the low power signal generator. > I have started a big TX coil but need to finish it. I can RX well on th= e > band. > > 73 de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > > > Yes, in any way it would be nice again to put some focus on VLF. It's a > long time ago i regularly monitored my own VLF grabber > (http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html). > > Looks like SAQ has tuned up today for a time arround 10 UTC. The Alphas > are OFF again and the noise is maybe 10 dB higher than in winther, as a > maximum. I do not change the brightness between summer and winther. > > Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? > > How long does it take to get a full decode in that mode and what is the > content of the decoded message? If 4 H means 4 hours and the content is > a full callsign and locator (about like in WOLF) then maybe it can be > compared with DFCW-120? If so, i guess the range of a 1 mW ERP station > will be below 100 km, if conds are good (i.e. no QRN and during the gap > in the morning which is arround 8...11 UTC) and the RX is is typical. > > We know that no digimode can do miracles. However we often saw stations > just transmitting a few dashes. If these dashes will satisfy all, it > would be fine. > > Due to other projects (ah, i remember, it was the LF DX to VK times) i > stopped the local VLF experiments with the LOPT transformer. Also is > showed me that there is no real alternative to an air coil if a serious > ERP is goal. That was clear in advance but the proof was clearer than i > thought. > > As i write these lines, a small VLF flame starts to burn again. But > there is the MF project on the table as well... > > What about all the other VLF transmitting stations? We have been 7 > (OK2BVG, OE3GHB, DF6NM, G3XIZ, DJ8WX, OE5ODL, PA3CPM, DK7FC) who passed > distances above 1 Lambda. Did i forget someone? > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 26.06.2012 00:39, schrieb Graham: > =20 >> Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of >> the UK as well ! >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >> >> =20 >>> Mal, >>> >>> Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: >>> =20 >>>> Stefan >>>> This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on t= he >>>> Dreamers band. >>>> =20 >>> Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due >>> to your higher antenna C and mains availability. >>> You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. >>> >>> =20 >>>> I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with >>>> other >>>> persuits at present. >>>> >>>> =20 >>> Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large >>> tube. 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul >>> Nicholsons grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very >>> helpful for the first tests! >>> >>> 73, Stefan >>> >>> >>> =20 >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" >>>> To: >>>> Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM >>>> Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> =20 >>>>> VLF, >>>>> >>>>> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >>>>> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >>>>> Darmstadt, >>>>> http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run >>>>> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >>>>> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >>>>> earthquake precursors. >>>>> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced >>>>> him to >>>>> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) H= e >>>>> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU >>>>> resources >>>>> for that at the moment though. >>>>> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >>>>> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49HV80ST&from=3Djn49ik00wd so= it >>>>> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) e= ven >>>>> in summer. >>>>> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF >>>>> event. >>>>> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June >>>>> 2012 >>>>> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to >>>>> extend it. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>> =20 > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E59A43800008B; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 03:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbRtx-0000X5-0b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:40:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbRtw-0000Ww-FX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:40:32 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbRtu-0005Ci-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:40:31 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.8.75]) by mwinf5d29 with ME id J7gS1j02N1d7sp6037gS5G; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:40:29 +0200 Message-ID: <535C7AB088034F3CAF4C51D1FF382816@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:40:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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From: "Clive Lorton" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:04 AM To: ; Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 1.5 TVD_FINGER_02 TVD_FINGER_02 X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461209408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fcc66a90eb4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes 'Flash' traffic only on the ref G. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clive Lorton" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:04 AM To: ; Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > Gentlemen, > > Im beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. Blacksheep > as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo for technical > discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be archived and > design/construction projects can make full use of the search function and > files section of Yahoo. > > Just my two pence worth.. > > Clive g8poc From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9BCBB38000082; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh82X-0007W3-E8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:40:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh82W-0007Vs-T8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:40:52 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh82V-0007Dh-7q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:40:51 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5JNeoGb031528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:40:50 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5JNenj6031376 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:40:49 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE10D99.2030003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:39:05 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <001301cd4e5b$49a430a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001301cd4e5b$49a430a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW. > HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is > what they sleep on as a bed. > ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left > with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus > other things. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 17343f7e400f1005b5081acbd4115359 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000306050506050804050803" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:385909376:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fe10e36691a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000306050506050804050803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW. > HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is > what they sleep on as a bed. > ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left > with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus > other things. > Move to the countryside for quality of life Oh is this an invitation? :-) All the reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would have enough area for us all. Which day do you suggest. And please can we get a tutorial how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-) de dk7fc > for example at a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in the > city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe the tail > In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ tripe, black sausage > and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be > prepared!! > Meanwhile back to MF es LF, I am now CQ on 502 but search the band > and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum > de g3kev > --------------000306050506050804050803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton:
Stefan
You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW.
HAY is what animals EAT,  mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is what they sleep on as a bed.
ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus other things.

Move to the countryside for quality of life
Oh is this an invitation? :-)
All the reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would have enough area for us all. Which day do you suggest.

And please can we get a tutorial how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-)

de dk7fc


for example at a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in the city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe the tail
In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ  tripe, black sausage and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be prepared!!
Meanwhile back to MF es LF,  I am now CQ on 502 but search the band and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum
 
de g3kev
 
 

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Pete, I bought a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it’s very impressive how this small USB stick works. I compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive with the Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the same signal strength. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Have I got this right ?? Field day announcement for LF acty. Get ready No room for antenna, Tx is located in the middle of a city. Beacon cannot be stopped!!! No QSO is possible. The Field day FIELD has no room for antennas. What size is a German Field??? Is he winding us UP ??? [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 9af9bda535a078107136d2385fe00312 Subject: Re: Re : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4667.C995DCB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1494fd38c2c5d82 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4667.C995DCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have I got this right ?? Field day announcement for LF acty. Get ready No room for antenna, Tx is located in the middle of a city. Beacon = cannot be stopped!!! No QSO is possible. The Field day FIELD has no room = for antennas. What size is a German Field??? Is he winding us UP ??? =20 Qsl Beacon via email. =20 I rest my case g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Re : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Tnx to all for the ongoing reports. To avoid misunderstandings, the CW beacon is generated in Heidelberg = from my normal antenna. Here in the fieldday camp ther is no place for = an aerial (! :-) ) that can radiate such a signal. To many trees and no = good earth is available. I'm just steering the TX via a wireless = internet link to the grabber PC...=20 Unfortunately the data rate is much lower now so i cannot stop the = beacon, or don't want to risk problems when contacting the grabber PC. = So i'm not in the situation to have a QSO unfortunately. I'll stop the = beacon in the evening... No uploads any more to the temporary grabber page from here. Anyway, congrats to the others who managed CW contacts today! Sounds = like an active weekend. And i'm looking forward to the new stations who = will appear soon on the band. 73, Stefan/DK7FC =20 Am 09.06.2012 11:49, schrieb f4dtl@aol.com:=20 Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, attached my screen capture. F4DTL Nicolas -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Lubos OK2BVG A: _RSGB_LF Envoy=C3=A9 le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39 Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Hello Stefan, LF!=20 I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N = more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station = :-) RST =3D 599 UFB 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4667.C995DCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Have  I got this right ??  Field day=20 announcement for LF acty. Get ready
No room for antenna, Tx is located in the middle = of a=20 city. Beacon cannot be stopped!!! No QSO is possible. The Field day = FIELD has no=20 room for antennas. What size is a German Field???
Is he winding us UP ??? 
 
Qsl Beacon = via email.  
I rest my case
g3kev
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4667.C995DCB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F2EA6380000B6; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 07:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbVGR-0002LI-1N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:15:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbVGQ-0002L9-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:15:58 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.10]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbVGO-0005yQ-Nk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:15:57 +0100 Received: from unknown-00-26-08-f6-6f-9b.home (host86-165-168-78.range86-165.btcentralplus.com [86.165.168.78]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mf1GD-1SMQHy18kT-00OKwD; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:15:55 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Clive Lorton In-Reply-To: <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 12:15:54 +0100 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:2h8SoV+oYeMch3/KDxLuiaXxfCKWhtOya6OvXETj9sb ouha1NMbhsx4AQrw+KQW2XwqSzog2YzVcTYnZlZEsujTKGQKp0 qENK2HFwaCassRmdM+PuSRFQoMllJCjzlNZ4dMUr03FeG+FTib tI0gPi+wd8sx+YR+3C1nTaIeB3bR3aiSsKWrm40i1dG/lsMKFg eET3mER6ON9KdJm2ZG8t3329g/JoJrdbYjTQ4uT8RfykO7CjIT DwBOFSLRHs5Ikao3rOF+z/nbB83oVS1pKe+SbY9iBzP5TTGO1k 9BQXPvrobSTxEYUihc2v7zWN3SfYHUDVGKmvBmfmNK3pFpSQyA GvR1570M05j4/pSIQstOE0x3MQHKL8QnteMm88oHOX2f4cptFH ADCghZQ8zfB+6EZXoTOyqnjyx4yVD4xRVlWAiTqOBvHUrNLuOy Qg+Oo X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, HE3OM was at least 10dB stronger, but that was winter and in darkness. So difficult to compare. But your signal is remarkable. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Stefan Schäfer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: donderdag 7 juni 2012 22:20 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: RE: LF: RE: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445210720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fd10fc03e3e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan, HE3OM was at least 10dB stronger, but that was winter and in darkness. So difficult to compare. But your signal is remarkable. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: donderdag 7 juni 2012 22:20 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Thank you Rik! How much stronger was HE3OM? :-) Let's try in winther again when the leaves are down and the soil is frozen and i fire on all cylinders (as the US guys would say :-) ). 73, Stefan Am 07.06.2012 19:26, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > Hi Stefan, > > 579 on my 500kHz antenna (11m high, 25m long lazy-L tuned at 500kHz) and = weak but clear copy on a 2m indoor wire. > The only signal that was stronger here was HE3OM. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: donderdag 7 juni 2012 16:10 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a > challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo > against the QRN :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=3D50&customRange=3D1= 37 > so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ED42738000086; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl4wM-00008a-SN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:10:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl4wM-00008R-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:10:50 +0100 Received: from nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sl4wJ-0007rX-Kt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:10:49 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 21:10:46 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 21:10:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 21:10:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 312843.88963.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 25104 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2012 21:10:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=XlodPCiyLRC9QEYpZOhGFbsWNNYjQ5wt10aLrehwUakRfhWgCrO95iGZKY6uwnNFLHmU1wwZGupG9YsX3BoC6Zr2P5M2XhPOldSn2NOsdQ8bifpcFR46ba3/6ipP9xE7/PRgpi+BW6bwxw0MuEeujMp6N+7QLvg3WsYDNplP6bY= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1341090645; bh=q75BBJqraRRMjEe6Uqqaj4z0n/xRnSvFUv864OmExEs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=yma7TMedOcPn2C/QrGjPBMJaM+7nJNR9zIRJX2Fh3eGki9M2cR2YqVhkY33Bt7ZmtF/CohYRXcpgG4ASI66paqq5wBOHXwaHIsEBmdV2E/91g0H0QCKTiR8YCXveKaQAiP81RIf7tvhVW9c7wHASqRtyQHcVTyw8md07IBm3OCU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: rHDWsi8VM1no3fzlmo3Bz2yQCS8meEJg_YbBcZjl1RRkduj _usVS3XyHI5gRv4Z1nQRgdS4FZ0hIWiO9Up4ftAYxPlU05XyzaenShmEPhLf sOCjB3adkzKjpYRLXTp21aiK_iR4lQLI8xlhmE9e0wCAKLRaAp3sOabXS79T vZjjV3jUmozSFQzW.osPMu_QDeM9WT6sbIlWzzSVOPN_DtKYX0wfkwQTyILz FYAmcBYNRacD1tm7AJL7idJ331BP8L3vOlR32doWpoaJIQwoT2wIF87jildK vS3UhZh_fuztnX9lkJwceUS4VYD5aT7dudDfjfpkzRRaD_vDj8iK4aDgIh1. sW7mraxPwwPT18us_kXwwpJe5kTycuMASU9NqCgzmvljkhar7I8ep4OhyATp qrhl.tak7XP6QxCnyVikTC5nr5xnO2qQJL0M- X-Yahoo-SMTP: khKbo3qswBAevJSEf.Soeh08VpP3pgtFENUUoUzoJw6opDkeTsHZWXMBHg-- Received: from 64683d74b6134b3 (robertgjbennett@81.159.11.106 with login) by smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 14:10:42 -0700 PDT Message-ID: From: "Robert Bennett" To: References: <4FEF4FAB.2010103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <628FB34D9D1741F2AB02D0ECEB380F01@64683d74b6134b3> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:10:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: It appears that my PC stripped out all the illustrations when I sent the original mail. Sorry about that. Here it is again.....hopefully complete. 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Sorry about that. Here it is again.....hopefully complete. 73 Robert ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robert Bennett=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:40 PM Subject: LF: Re: MF dipole That means, for a MF dipole test i would start to try to lay it=20 > on the ground. If this works with reasonable efficiency, so that a = QSO=20 > is possible, it would be a simple solution for a quick /p MF antenna = > that can find its place in a back pack! > Like K3MT's Grasswire antenna?. 73 Robert ------=_NextPart_001_006A_01CD570D.2C3FC320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Robert Bennett =
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 9:40=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: MF = dipole


 That means, for a MF dipole test i would = start to try=20 to lay it
> on the ground. If this works with reasonable = efficiency, so=20 that a QSO
> is possible, it would be a simple solution for a = quick /p=20 MF antenna
> that can find its place in a back=20 pack!
>

Like K3MT's Grasswire antenna?.

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete, LF, On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% efficiency with a class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if your antenna provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output power), a well designed class E PA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW RF (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET. I hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but i can understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, although i'm not from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: edb41d4f5d54b008a5087ba5b1aefaaf Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050100080901000802030006" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:476023168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fd9015b707b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050100080901000802030006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete, LF, On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% efficiency with a class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if your antenna provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output power), a well designed class E PA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW RF (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET. I hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but i can understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, although i'm not from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT: > Well shoot me down with my britches on fire! > Mal > I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers > By RCA. > I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any > time because I thought they used special valves to achieve the fast > response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the > anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of > the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you > get a very fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the > PA tuned circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ > http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/ > I think the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency > TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work > OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away > with one set up. > Now to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes. > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > *From:* mal hamilton > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48 > *Subject:* Re: LF: RE: Class E etc > > Pete es Co > The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E > and well designed would produce 70% efficiency. > The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it > is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage > generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to > 90% efficiency if you are lucky. > Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch > to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not > careful about matching to load. > I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for > years. > Fets are probably more manageable, compact and safer regarding > voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high > current, like an electric chair!! > 73 de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* M0FMT > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 AM > *Subject:* Re: LF: RE: Class E etc > > Hi Ken > I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher > classes than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a > modern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. The > high efficiency output stage has to operate like a switch it is > not actually an amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully > on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which means a device > that will operate well into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If > you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple of megs its > not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking > about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic > field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast _rate_ > in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive > frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the > drain will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain > inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. > That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the > guide I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. > What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if > you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF > then there is enough empirical data from following the guide lines > lines shown on the sites I have posted that will get you a good > TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle > you colleagues then that will detract from the time it takes to > build a very interesting high power, efficient TX design well > within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP design being IMHO a very > good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the > components listing. > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > *From:* Ken > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 > *Subject:* LF: RE: Class E etc > > Hi Pete. > About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2^nd > order differential equations, partial integration and integration > by parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional > integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the > sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by > default. The reason I like valves is because they are very > forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack > and the cat warm. > 73s > Ken > M0KHW > *From:* owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] *On Behalf Of *M0FMT > *Sent:* 11 June 2012 19:16 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: Class E etc > Hi Ken > Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? > Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You > need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the > conditions for the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver > preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 > inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully off on each > cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / > space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not > exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode > clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in > the drain circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then > follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave will be > surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you > don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any > case the result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will > gives some starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set > the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / > Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is > the key. > These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well > above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from > the FET is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! > The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good > efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain > supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts > and is capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat > sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the > 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is > the way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking > for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to > get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the > peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer my connector > from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer in the > antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak > voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for > maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a > 50ohm match. This is done by either adding or reducing the number > of turns (about two turns) along with bringing the the transformer > to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead current, here you are > looking for the maximum peak. > Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin > work well. > Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers. > For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning > Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all > really..... > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf > > For design ideas > http://www.classeradio.com/ > For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a > scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. > _http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/_ > For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site" > http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > > > --------------050100080901000802030006 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete, LF,

On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% efficiency with a class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if your antenna provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output power), a well designed class E PA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW RF (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET.
I hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but i can understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, although i'm not from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT:
Well shoot me down with my britches on fire!
 
Mal
I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers By RCA.
I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought they used special valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you get a very fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/
 
I think the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away with one set up.
 
Now to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Pete es Co
The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E and well designed would produce 70% efficiency.
The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency if you are lucky.
Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not careful about matching to load.
I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for years.
Fets are probably more manageable, compact  and safer regarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high current, like an electric chair!!
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Hi Ken
 
I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I use to bring a PA into optimum performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there is enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the components listing.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09
Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc

Hi Pete.
About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space .   Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm.
 
73s
 
Ken
 
M0KHW
 
From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Class E etc
 
 
Hi Ken
 
Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken?
 
Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do with  A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key.
These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks!
 
The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak.  
 
Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work well.
 
Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers. 
 
 
For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
 
For design ideas
 
For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that  is a scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel.
 
For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX


 


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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 12:30=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor = here...

Hi Peter,

You will surely have audible = reception at=20 that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-)
Are you = prepared to=20 listen?

73, Stefan

Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, = Peter:=20
Hello !
 
http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg
 
The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - = Appingedam - JO33kh
 
SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blog.htm
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01CD53E1.A2D7EFA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DD3CD3800008F; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCAA-0000dy-96 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:52:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCA9-0000dp-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:52:13 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCA7-0001ui-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:52:12 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnwFAKR4y09cF/B0/2dsb2JhbABEnk8DlU+BCIITBQEBBQgBAQNBCAIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAQwEh1wDD6g+gz8NiU6KMWAChg4DiA2FMJdUgmCBXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="388191100" Received: from host-92-23-240-116.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.116]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 15:52:09 +0100 Message-ID: <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:52:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. I was a BBS SYSOP for several years at my GB7KEV main line BBS and never expressed a desire to censor or ban anyone and in those day thousands of messages passed through my system and some were controversial but it was merely persons expressing their opinions that differed from others. I hope you now understand my and others point of view about being associated with this Yahoo group. de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 91e1efbff209cbddb14bc9e018c2cfe8 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D2_01CD4198.72471D30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451700256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064fcb7a504bfd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01CD4198.72471D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a = move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose = opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging = or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group = but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. I was a BBS SYSOP for several years at my GB7KEV main line BBS and never = expressed a desire to censor or ban anyone and in those day thousands of = messages passed through my system and some were controversial but it was = merely persons expressing their opinions that differed from others. I hope you now understand my and others point of view about being = associated with this Yahoo group. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - rather busy on a = number of other fronts. However, as I have looked in to post the thing = about the poll saw the comments below. =20 What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can you = elaborate as I am not aware of this. =20 In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange the = Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using the = URL from one on the many published sources would be able to find the = group. I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be = saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on the same basic = topic. 73 John, G3WKL On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris wrote: Mal, I agree. Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a year or = two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF Today' and = probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably links to = this site from others which will be around for years. Vy 73 all, Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" = To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status John Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious = problems with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small = attachments and for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked = well this has been pointed out by others. I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get = more adverts that I do not need. Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on = Yahoo de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status To John, G3WKL, Please do NOT shut down this reflector. 1. It's active in positive sense. 2. There are too many hams here who say "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven Brave New World were each posting will be "googleable" for ever. Me too. That's the reason I unsubscribed from some Yapoo-Groups recently. 73 Peter, df3lp ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01CD4198.72471D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time = back=20 indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons = like me=20 whose opinions and point of view differ from his,  this is hardly=20 encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation = of any=20 organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING.
I was a BBS SYSOP for several years at my GB7KEV = main line=20 BBS and never expressed a desire to censor or ban anyone and in those = day=20 thousands of messages passed through my system and some were = controversial but=20 it was merely persons expressing their opinions that differed from=20 others.
I hope you now understand my and others point of = view=20 about being associated with this Yahoo group.
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - = rather busy=20 on a number of other fronts.  However, as I have looked in to = post the=20 thing about the poll saw the comments below.  

What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can = you=20 elaborate as I am not aware of this.  

In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange = the=20 Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using the = URL=20 from one on the many published sources would be able to find the = group.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be = saddled=20 with monitoring and administering two groups on the same basic = topic.

73 John, G3WKL

On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> wrote:
Mal,=20 I agree.
Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest = after a=20 year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book = 'LF Today'=20 and probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably = links to=20 this site from others which will be around for years.
Vy 73=20 all,
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message ----- From: "mal = hamilton"=20 <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: = Sunday, June 03,=20 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status


John
Keep=20 Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious=20 problems
with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with = small=20 attachments and
for larger screen shots then Dropbox is = suitable and=20 has worked well this
has been pointed out by others.
I = cannot see=20 any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get = more
adverts that I=20 do not need.
Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are = not=20 permitted on Yahoo
de mal/g3kev


----- Original = Message=20 -----
From: "pws" <pws@legal-medicine.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: = Sunday, June=20 03, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector = status


To=20 John, G3WKL,

Please do NOT shut down this = reflector.

1.=20 It's active in positive sense.

2. There are too many hams = here=20 who say
"no thanks!" to that advertisement driven
Brave = New World=20 were each posting will be
"googleable" for ever. Me=20 too.

That's the reason I unsubscribed from
some = Yapoo-Groups=20 recently.

73 Peter,=20 = df3lp






------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01CD4198.72471D30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 931A538000088; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Samz0-0006Jn-Pj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:59:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Samz0-0006Ja-B1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:59:02 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Samyy-0005C4-Ec for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:59:01 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Jun 2012 11:58:59 -0000 Received: from p5B3951C0.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.81.192] by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 02 Jun 2012 13:58:59 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19PdlYl/l1P6kxgM1kHa86sdj20b+bUHtdVzZ3QrO 6CN3HXQVLmwyvf Message-ID: <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: Cc: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:58:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting What is the actual tx qrg then? Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: M0FMT To: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 85c54099682e8e65d9e25bf804a68673 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD40C7.D9FD2D10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445521632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fca002e1de6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD40C7.D9FD2D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting What is the actual tx qrg then? Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD40C7.D9FD2D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at = all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 = 1:21=20 PM
Subject: LF: beacon on = 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =C3=BCberpr=C3=BCft - www.avg.de
Version: 2012.0.2178=20 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012=20

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD40C7.D9FD2D10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 659DC380000BB; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 11:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfure-00076f-Oy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:24:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfure-00076W-Bi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:24:38 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfurc-0002VM-Or for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:24:37 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d43 with ME id P3Qb1j0044U6hVe033QbYQ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:24:36 +0200 Message-ID: <6DF79BA13C6F42C081A7DFDA2F09D687@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <005401cd4bc8$0ff74c60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <005401cd4bc8$0ff74c60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:24:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Amtor FEC for navtext on 518 ? not used 2 way on 500 ? ARQ for hf , but with modern DSP , these modes are very dependant on Ae amps , compared to invisible Ros ! G. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: amtor 473 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0092_01CD4BDC.8486AF80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:331114016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b4fdca56407f4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01CD4BDC.8486AF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amtor FEC for navtext on 518 ? not used 2 way on 500 ? ARQ for hf , but with modern DSP , these modes are very dependant on = Ae amps , compared to invisible Ros ! G. From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:58 PM To: rsgb=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Subject: LF: amtor 473 MF Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been associated with marine = communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the new = band. Get your PK232 and KAM tnc's out and ready. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01CD4BDC.8486AF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Amtor FEC  for  navtext on  518 ?   = not =20 used  2  way on 500 ?
 
ARQ for  hf , but  with  modern  DSP , these = modes are=20 very dependant on Ae  amps , compared to  invisible  = Ros =20 !
 
G.

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:58 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: amtor 473

MF
Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been = associated with=20 marine communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the = new=20 band. Get your PK232  and KAM tnc's out and = ready.
 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0092_01CD4BDC.8486AF80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 090C73800008B; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiXaX-0002l5-3K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:09:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiXaW-0002kw-Gw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:09:48 +0100 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiXaU-0007Jf-94 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:09:47 +0100 Received: by wejx9 with SMTP id x9so3868820wej.16 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:09:44 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KqPCHH+jK+orA23p2evrgakrzw3cr7bGEw3tSTztWow=; b=qC/BFJHitsmgoWv/sSc5imzpCzX/xqpndKix59xSfDMCACkjY5FM4LTou7yVPjyC2H OUIjk2Sbak1MOnKn6nrnKlzEohb/VolamPaqa4zyN/bSDgWDUEHj1BPIzvWNL3QmHTP9 /CH00K4vxH7lXNZCUbUaONa2qdG+brJbGMdrcnKYlWfQ4LTxChGkrRNdufy2au60XYkX dKw6blkBvHWreGLYDZEt16M9OTQX5r68upOwAkIx8LMxuUthdoUeFVXhv9fGxDIV6Qvk 0W/JdQ9mGQgsd7A77OAyUQAamqDdhJk4LzrosScPaxdwBrg8msZk90G0AHFRwZjkTuQn Nzow== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.86.5 with SMTP id l5mr14101430wiz.6.1340485783880; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:09:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:09:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alan, I was a little concerned when I tried looking up the address on Google maps and it looked like a housing estate, most likely an error on my part. I will e-mail them and see if they can supply the part. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448272032:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d013.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fe630e73e7c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Alan, I was a little concerned when I tried looking up the address on Google maps and it looked like a housing estate, most likely an error on my part. I will e-mail them and see if they can supply the part. Vy 73 Warren On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Alan Melia wro= te: > Hi Warren yes Mainline bought the rump of JB and started to put some > components back in production because they had found all the drawings dur= ing > their clear-out, then about 5 years ago they had a massive fire an lost > everything including the tooling I believe so JB is I am afraid probably > beyong resurrection. > Very Sad. I did seem the name had been saved after an asset stripping > operation...... > > Alan G3NYK > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: "rsgb_lf_group" > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:19 PM > Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? > > > Hello the list, > =A0Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester > which now has taken over Jackson Bros? > I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced > link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB1943800008C; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 02:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkUoc-0000p8-Dd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:36:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkUob-0000oz-LI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:36:25 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkUoZ-0002Dl-Se for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:36:24 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 9EED31280B9.A3907 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EED31280B9 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:36:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0D1120041 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:36:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::f5f7:d8cc:bee0:28d3%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:36:16 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Thread-Index: AQHNVTbJ09TE+NJtzEaSexUSPxqXMZcQ2BCQ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:36:15 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB6B0E@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <2cf96a2ade514f53b8ce121dbfc0ee98@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: <2cf96a2ade514f53b8ce121dbfc0ee98@kabelmail.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.13] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Uwe, at these power level and with summer QRN you might have more luck using QRSS. If it is helpfull I can set up a grabber in JO20IX. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f7f918e40888a44a70dddae14bd6a529 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB6B0EICTSSMBX5lunaku_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448925568:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad04fed4d417315 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB6B0EICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Uwe, at these power level and with summer QRN you might have more luck using QRS= S. If it is helpfull I can set up a grabber in JO20IX. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de [uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de] Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 16:03 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in jo43sv. the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz. the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn. so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient. GL Uwe/dj89wx ________________________________ Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 06:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC ________________________________ If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a sche= matic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB6B0EICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Uwe,

 

at these power level and with summer QRN you might have more luck=  using QRSS.

If it is&nbs= p;helpfull I can set up a grabber in JO20IX<= a>.

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de [uwe-jan= nsen@kabelmail.de]
Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 16:03
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi all,

last two nights on the air:
oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in jo43sv.

the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz.

the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn.

so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient.=

GL
Uwe/dj89wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Gesendet: 28.06.2012 06:35
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

 

Always interes= ted ;-)

 

73, Rik  = ON7YD - OR7T

--_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB6B0EICTSSMBX5lunaku_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5293E38000207; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgxqH-0003Rr-8e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:47:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgxqG-0003Ri-SS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:47:32 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgxqF-0003mx-Bm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:47:31 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews08.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.175]) by cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:47:20 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.19]) by cpsps-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:47:20 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:47:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE074D8.1020906@kpnmail.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:47:20 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2012 12:47:20.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA936DF0:01CD4E19] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tks Tom, It's an indication what we could expect from our "Behörde". - 800Hz bandwidth no restriction in mode. :-) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:407120864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fe0750d7ad0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Tks Tom, It's an indication what we could expect from our "Behörde". - 800Hz bandwidth no restriction in mode. :-) I like this one: "die maximale Leistung nur dann auszuschöpfen, wenn es zur Aufrechterhaltung einer Funkverbindung oder für experimentelle Zwecke als zwingend notwendig erachtet wird. " "exploit the maximum power only, in order to maintain a radio link or for experimental purposes as deemed necessary." - with 1W erp! Jan/pa3abk On 19-6-2012 13:57, DK1IS wrote: > Dear group, > > to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the > MF-allocation in Germany which I´ve got today via email from our > authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). > > 73 and cul on MF! > > Tom, DK1IS > JN59WK -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 29CC638000083; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfw4U-0007hb-MK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:41:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfw4T-0007hS-Nu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:41:57 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfw4R-0002tU-8q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:41:56 +0100 Received: from W1KW (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.14.177]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LaeOS-1SDAuA0DpQ-00kOJ0; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:41:54 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW" To: References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:37:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:+tkcJJs/TgIDvsFJu9wxDB2GBpjKEx6lsgVvW1FK17F fOSlna75sxrMBRnFP8QcQZFDK698YGeXBLpotLQcgAZVKl2Rvy Xt2Q9Yois02FdLSO59KvgeKCL70xcNwFtuPpvbhptVy7l0StvQ jhIjHzxTlFk6CZJulb0KPZq7Ic8+wnoAO8glQbczTaV1g0qH3O HWlDK3E//PfN3FTEZ2I4GTw6BCItB0+lMCQVBToB8pGol487Tp CYwOOr8t/K0jgfW3wZKVzr7IO+fDqU0wg5LXKhr0iIkwyVRWH0 sGB2a62nzGDTSKwN2SMcpz8VAsITd7VU3OFi/Z/mjePcSIxQg= = X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham, Thanks for the reception report via Delft ... interesting ways these days ... I will keep OPERA running for a while on 477 and switch to old fashioned CW later tonight. 73 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 0cdfd8d5ce44f1724c623c4ac9f44df6 Subject: LF: Re: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01CD4BEF.0587DF70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470646368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4fdcb78e094c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CD4BEF.0587DF70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, Thanks for the reception report via Delft ... interesting ways these = days ... I will keep OPERA running for a while on 477 and switch to old = fashioned CW later tonight. 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:02 PM Subject: LF: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft=20 Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... = ! Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise .should = work ?=20 G..=20 http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CD4BEF.0587DF70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,
 
Thanks for the reception report via = Delft ...=20 interesting ways these days ... I will keep OPERA running for a while on = 477 and=20 switch to old fashioned CW later tonight.
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 6:02=20 PM
Subject: LF: Opera Monitoring = 500 off air=20 & 477 via Delft

Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the =20 Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  = 477 =20 via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  = ,=20 but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
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Content preview: Whoops may be its not all going up the antenna, looking at first rprts. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > From: M0FMT >To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" >Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 22:46 >Subject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG > > >Hi All > >Opera now 500 RX QRG! > >Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!! >73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.39 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: fc152e7304849b9a177649b85aea9f41 Subject: Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1358017486-1341008032=:98380" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:414956576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d278.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fee28d2260a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1358017486-1341008032=:98380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AWhoops may be its not all going up the antenna, looking at first rprts.= =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>________________________________= =0A> From: M0FMT =0A>To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" = =0A>Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 22:46=0A>Sub= ject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG=0A> =0A>=0A>Hi All=0A>=A0=0A>Opera now 500 = RX QRG!=0A>=A0=0A>Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF = block on DDS hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!!=0A>73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A> --435439028-1358017486-1341008032=:98380 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Whoops may be its n= ot all going up the antenna, looking at first rprts.
 = ;
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: M0= FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To:= "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
<= b>Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012,= 22:46
Subject: LF: Op= era now 500 RX QRG

Hi Al= l
 
Opera now 500 RX QRG= !
 
Bread board single e= nded Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS hope most of the 30watts = going up the ant!!!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX<= /div>


--435439028-1358017486-1341008032=:98380-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 535C838000099; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 02:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjlHm-0008St-EG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:59:30 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjlHl-0008Sk-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:59:29 +0100 Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjlHj-0002Cq-Uy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:59:28 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=mail.dk; s=dkim512; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@mail.dk; t=1340776766; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Reply-To:X-TDCLU:X-TDC-Sender-From-IP:X-TDCCM:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=FgVzgkpjPkcjwufvf9KpPuxgOVYCH/V7UKBrK+2lhWU=; b=Fxd1tETFemcmCzkIslKv+zcbEk/QNQAcw/19ZCGpkt7JyLxPwVxwE55sjinaWpoJ aRgw9xLXUpWshm44T8FTxw==; X-TDCO-HELO: oz7foc X-TDC-Sender-From-IP: 80.162.212.91 X-TDCCM: v=2.0 cv=BcxvGvy6 c=1 sm=0 a=2xLUAJHh/5GXj+iJBlPxmQ==:17 a=PzE8qx7xMp5Yj_GkRekA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=lJPh425HMivbRtqnwQ0A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=2xLUAJHh/5GXj+iJBlPxmQ==:117 X-TDCLU: MTIwMTAxNDE5Mjcw Received: from [80.162.212.91] ([80.162.212.91:46003] helo=oz7foc) by fep48.mail.dk (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.50 r()) with ESMTPA id A8/A9-07131-E31AAEF4; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:59:26 +0200 Message-ID: <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> From: "Niels Rask" To: References: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:59:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120626-1, 26-06-2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 rx on 472,5 and 502 de oz7foc ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: LF: oz7foc I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on this band I can hear ur CQ on 472.5 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.41.46.231 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 75bd9e83b9a4dd6aff3296cebc5bb885 Subject: LF: Re: oz7foc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04B5_01CD542A.06A09800" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:428688608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d276.1 ; domain : mail.dk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b4feaa19b483e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04B5_01CD542A.06A09800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 rx on 472,5 and 502 de oz7foc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: LF: oz7foc I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on this = band I can hear ur CQ on 472.5=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_04B5_01CD542A.06A09800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 rx on = 472,5 and=20 502 de oz7foc
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 7:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: oz7foc

I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to = be=20 listening on this band
I can hear ur CQ on 472.5
 
 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_04B5_01CD542A.06A09800-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C99DA380000A6; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuhN-0004V5-Ed for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:01:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuhN-0004Uw-16 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:01:53 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeuhL-00060T-EB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:01:51 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: E11E513802A.AD953 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11E513802A for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:01:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E090920041 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:01:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::f5f7:d8cc:bee0:28d3%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:01:42 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Thread-Index: AQHNSaQIX1eM2sLZ20ilbx7bAQ7J7Zb4ueEngAAB++0= Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:01:41 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAA7FE0@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> <002701cd49a0$0b38cfc0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <4FD8F8E8.8050000@xs4all.nl>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.12] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.129 (rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Walter, you are 559 here, but the non stop CQ call makes a QSO difficult ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: RE: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:388184704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4fd8ffee3c57 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Walter, you are 559 here, but the non stop CQ call makes a QSO difficult ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Walter Staubach [wum.staubach@t-online.de] Verzonden: woensdag 13 juni 2012 22:51 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Tnx Albert for info. Nw CQ on 472.5KHz, seems to be free here. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz > Walter, > > The carrier of the beacon BIA is on 474 kHz (AM 1kHz) the side bands are > on 473 en 475 kHz. > > Albert PA0A > >= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 41F2E3800FC28; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shr3H-0002rI-27 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:44:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shr3G-0002r9-DP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:44:38 +0100 Received: from nm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.58]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shr3E-0005S2-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:44:37 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 23:44:33 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.115] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 23:44:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 23:44:33 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 894843.51060.bm@omp1024.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 11143 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2012 23:44:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340322273; bh=jzmNHMt9qwErrlMYmeVAMDpYy6lHIULw7Nbmg4HNjRs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AMYEKEgaacuiLFVfQTrasWYsHE05UvPgTKeNwU+eThrEoeGFP1AoUwXJmErHHdRae0NexeNI89xupluUFyOoK+MNJCrPueHaK2kN7Eog5vGOa/6+dcIp+xMI/A/lF+w7RNWcQiN6riep0m7zNDAsgnR3eAhY8LArlAkcPa75/AQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QHAAwAZwd8XfILqgSc6k7XbhCTe2c22mjKCNYcCx32ljjPJv0mOh+6jUNvrzHl/eEOULtqYde8cR56V/lw0WgucOo30Nf/uAOLio4gsJNVU7NoKqxHR5vlNwPRCgaVLez6OLP1hixaZTx9MUoUIziKBE5KmxU0gXt0k1sQR1UuY=; X-YMail-OSG: 1Yo0t1IVM1la_haplCpfqJOAb_.CsYh2DeP66DPdtCz3FCq uQdN.RvVVYGfq1rVPcSHf1tVYlbSERbSZfNA7hdPsILT.2ZY9SzuYcjFaZUn sXaThz7Kc9lNTR82EMZ2JiceoZmJNbtSg0V0imQ_dIEKL6SsNZt7yrdXJr0S uQ4hMnYIG_N1XTn1VOtM8PCU.CbevJQMuZL26H7h390AVYhhyg76x3GcBTiA zjN3e28shjAwQ1mlAmEYGV0Z02P8gdfqMFefPRgO9gw8gvbLEkWxGDeQyI6M WTpaf.QduIto2h8QobpAOqsSk2YnmWeAdi2.SSsR9ARia3pLeGdwPbMMD.6W 6Aw3FNb1F.Enwb_rQrhsd1eh2SK_ntydQ1nf_RWOM9nH3mZgfw5YreYLX0ss ZMwJfxJamwLiYW77vnzau_gVOe8ijp5GB90_4VjlffpZFSLXbAodLBj9WrTZ LlzZe5.igcZSD7tJdnZr13wLLDGBhOj3hhIqPbV9rfZSiCSwD1BhAlRdGMGC _G0Y8vCoXetvWWSljs0gYdxb8t..fnTJhdpq727DFClxKjuan_5tLgmNBaaI fxNrJCl702eDt4x7jv3YOgZSfeEwx5sOS0amkeSIQ8d8ROxTfN2VdQrjUdhv 7ppdoUsxmzMv3GhciB_O1 Received: from [86.164.69.177] by web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:44:33 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <00c801cd4fcd$164011c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d401cd4fd5$373745d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1340312150.80181.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <7534B2BE5B5848289524F7662A697085@TraceyPC> Message-ID: <1340322273.1082.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:44:33 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <7534B2BE5B5848289524F7662A697085@TraceyPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Tracy  I have a fair over view of the SDR scene.  Price/cost is relative. I operate at the low end.  73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX  From: Tracey Gardner To: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 22:31 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.58 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 20fb97b64762a0bd80c12a4b2f6724b0 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1791826778-1340322273=:1082" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fe3b21a73e9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1791826778-1340322273=:1082 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Tracy=0A=C2=A0=0AI have a fair over view of the SDR scene.=C2=A0=C2=A0Pr= ice/cost=C2=A0is relative. I operate at the low end.=0A=C2=A0=0A73 es GL Pe= te M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A________________________________=0A From: Tra= cey Gardner =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g =0ASent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 22:31=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A= =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0AHello Pete =0A=0AIf we're talking about low priced SD= Rs, there is a relatively new kid on =0Athe block in the form of the Afedri= SDR-Net from Israel. =0AIt is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. = a direct sampling digital =0Adown conversion SDR. =0AIt covers 100kHz to 30= MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a LAN =0Ainterface for remo= te access. =0AThe best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shippin= g and VAT. =0A=0AYou can find more details here =0A=0Ahttp://4z5lv.net/inde= x.php/afedri-sdr-net-description =0A=0Ahttps://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b10= 22925e =0A=0AI've no connection other than being a satisfied customer. =0A= =0A73s Tracey G5VU =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM = =0A>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi Mal =0A>=0A>The whole rea= son these things are getting so much attention is the price and the fact t= hey are independent of a sound card or=C2=A0A/D converter.=C2=A0They are n= ot really suitable for or give any advantage on LF because you need an up = converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good sound card will out perform= these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO=C2=A0I don't think its worth persuing to be ho= nest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks people have been opening them = up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It looks like they don't e= rase the markings like some well known LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the softw= are plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.=0A> =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> --435439028-1791826778-1340322273=:1082 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Tracy
 
I have a fair over view of the S= DR scene.  Price/cost is rel= ative. I operate at the low end.
 
73 es GL Pete M= 0FMT IO91UX
 
From: Tracey Gardner <tracey.gardner@talk= talk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Se= nt: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 22:31
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs
=EF=BB=BF=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A
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Hello P= ete
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If we're talking about low priced SDRs= , there is a relatively new kid on =0Athe block in the form of the Afedri S= DR-Net from Israel.
=0A
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" S= DR i.e. a direct sampling digital =0Adown conversion SDR.
=0A
It c= overs 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a LAN =0A= interface for remote access.
=0A
The best bit is that it costs jus= t over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT.
=0A
 
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You= can find more details here
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I've no connection other th= an being a satisfied customer.
=0A
 
=0A
73s Tracey = G5VU
=0A
=0A
---= -- Original Message -----
=0A
From: =0A M0FMT
=0A =0A
Sent: Thur= sday, June 21, 2012 9:55 =0A PM
=0A
Subject: Re: L= F: SDR programs
=0A

=0A
=0A
Hi Mal
=0A  
=0A
The whole reason these things are getting so much a= ttention is the price =0A and the fact they are independent of a sound car= d or A/D =0A converter. They are not really suitable for or give= any advantage on LF =0A because you need an up converter in front. A Soft= rock SDR with a good sound =0A card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF= .IMHO I don't think its worth =0A persuing to be honest. However I th= ink with the DVB-T sticks people have been =0A opening them up to look at = the SMT chip marking if not sure. It looks like =0A they don't erase the m= arkings like some well known LF TX suppiers do. Oh and =0A the software pl= ug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
=0A
73 es GL Pete M= 0FMT IO91UX
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--435439028-1791826778-1340322273=:1082-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 34C4B3800008B; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbISf-0006Bj-CX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:35:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbISe-0006Ba-Si for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:35:44 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbISd-0003ks-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:35:43 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q53LZgFk011475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 23:35:42 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q53LZfmp032647 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 23:35:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCBD854.5080003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:34:12 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB7397.8020204@legal-medicine.de> <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> In-Reply-To: <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: It wasn't possible to take part in the poll even after subscribing. So this cannot be serious! Apart from the democratic conflict which is see too. I think the different opinions are clear after that day. Now i want to focus on amateur radio again, whatever the frequency might be. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=GET_STARTED_NOW autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:462745152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d54fcbd8fc603a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none It wasn't possible to take part in the poll even after subscribing. So this cannot be serious! Apart from the democratic conflict which is see too. I think the different opinions are clear after that day. Now i want to focus on amateur radio again, whatever the frequency might be. Stefan/DK7FC Am 03.06.2012 16:29, schrieb Graham: > Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the > yahoo group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in > yahoo , so this should exclude your vote from the poll .... > > G. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "pws" > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > >> John, >> >> You wrote: >>> ... >>> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >>> how do you want to continue? >>> >>> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >>> o With the Blacksheep.org list >>> o Both lists >>> >>> >>> To vote, please visit the following web page: >>> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 >> >> I got what expected: >> """ >> To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable >> Web Access. >> >> With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, >> links, message archive search, and more! >> >> Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group >> >> If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web >> Access and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. >> >> To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". >> >> Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? >> If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now. >> """ >> >> No, thanks! >> I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. That's all. >> >> Peter, df3lp >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ADF4A38000089; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 06:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdIgt-0006pw-Mo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 11:14:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdIgt-0006pn-2e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 11:14:43 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdIgr-0003mU-5r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 11:14:41 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFACIh009Ok8Jn/2dsb2JhbABFgkWyE4EIghMFAQEFCAEBAyApAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh364M4sngk6DGwOIDYUxl1uCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="374912631" Received: from host-78-147-194-103.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.194.103]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 11:14:40 +0100 Message-ID: <008601cd4628$ad66e410$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <01cd01cd4626$4081c380$c1854a80$@com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:14:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Terry Things are looking up on LF, 2 qso's this morning on CW. GW0EZY xband 7033 and G3XDV both on LF Tnx qso, nothing wrong with your CW, I copied it all. 73 gl de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry GW0EZY To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: LF: Tnx X-Band QSO [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 9be3f060697a097db7a337109fbeece1 Subject: LF: Re: Tnx X-Band QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01CD4628.AD326690" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:439687520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fd3225a2bf1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01CD4628.AD326690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Terry Things are looking up on LF, 2 qso's this morning on CW. GW0EZY xband = 7033 and G3XDV both on LF Tnx qso, nothing wrong with your CW, I copied it all. 73 gl de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry GW0EZY=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: LF: Tnx X-Band QSO Mal =20 Tnx for X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away some cobwebs in my CW = !! =20 73 Terry ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01CD4628.AD326690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Terry
Things are looking up on LF, 2 qso's this = morning on CW.=20 GW0EZY xband 7033 and G3XDV both on LF
Tnx qso, nothing wrong with your CW, I copied it = all.
73 gl de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Terry = GW0EZY
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 = 9:57=20 AM
Subject: LF: Tnx X-Band = QSO

Mal

 

Tnx for X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away = some=20 cobwebs in my CW !!

 

73 = Terry

------=_NextPart_000_0083_01CD4628.AD326690-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E63CC380000B0; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCqu-0001Yg-4h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:36:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCqt-0001YX-Nk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:36:23 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCqs-0002D8-1P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:36:22 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.16.140]) by mwinf5d30 with ME id HrcL1j00E31K0Qa03rcLS2; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:36:21 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4FCB7397.8020204@legal-medicine.de> <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> In-Reply-To: <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:36:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-0, 03/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: And the turn-out % for binding result is ? From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:29 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: d7fcd9b75df8d1b09ddef9df028bd9ae Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=GET_STARTED_NOW, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473101920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fcb84a21700 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none And the turn-out % for binding result is ? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:29 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo > group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , so > this should exclude your vote from the poll .... > > G. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "pws" > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > >> John, >> >> You wrote: >>> ... >>> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >>> how do you want to continue? >>> >>> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >>> o With the Blacksheep.org list >>> o Both lists >>> >>> >>> To vote, please visit the following web page: >>> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 >> >> I got what expected: >> """ >> To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable Web >> Access. >> >> With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, links, >> message archive search, and more! >> >> Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group >> >> If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web >> Access and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. >> >> To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". >> >> Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? >> If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now. >> """ >> >> No, thanks! >> I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. That's all. >> >> Peter, df3lp >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4F67538000103; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh2M6-0004ou-Mg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:36:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh2M6-0004ol-AE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:36:42 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh2M4-0005K7-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:36:41 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5JHacQE012480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:36:38 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5JHacIW020401 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:36:38 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:34:54 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw??? 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton: > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fc152e7304849b9a177649b85aea9f41 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080806000900060303000604" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:393045184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fe0b8d8443c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080806000900060303000604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw??? 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton: > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > g3kev --------------080806000900060303000604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw???

73, Stefan

Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton:
Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST
 
g3kev
--------------080806000900060303000604-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B83C38000110; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh1Pi-0004PQ-Rc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:36:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh1Pi-0004PH-B5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:36:22 +0100 Received: from mail-gg0-f171.google.com ([209.85.161.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh1Pg-0004zJ-It for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:36:21 +0100 Received: by ggmi1 with SMTP id i1so8774058ggm.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:36:17 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eOZ5q12+GDy+PbQ4Bh3O/uro00XHQKyWwg9K5iaOyW8=; b=TJ/11zEHGaZaFLZKqoZix54EvCPr5OtFA8XjXCQszv5oY1kRKtFB5hHF/rD+5dHeV1 0nZfmdHlIu09HdOmk7ZLIPXVVlmTrDzP8Hm1Ut1myV3Oq2AwR1KBL8ouYclDl+3qQOQl Iz457a3LyB4gDcv3m+1dehNs1+VymO7MSBb8C2iN2kZIShYF/pUr1WGn5z1h65WuodgI sVK+7S1axu9PTNjCTrmMr35vjqGdMUXsoeuIR7KRRrkcKyC0Rf8mk07/gEMFS+wNDlO5 Yi9XTlc4hx6A0zX3qZSZfVQ17LnHM1tVo+rPybhm3YyCb/CQoqJVREv7ySU3TVQ7vlWk QXSA== Received: by 10.236.165.74 with SMTP id d50mr9899883yhl.118.1340123777177; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.252.100] (h9.158.82.166.dynamic.ip.windstream.net. [166.82.158.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g22sm81176490yhh.20.2012.06.19.09.36.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FE0AA6F.8020903@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:35:59 -0400 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Messenger 9.0a1 (Windows/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: mal hamilton wrote: > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. Hay bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have loaded hay bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for live snake heads sticking out of the bales :) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.161.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dexter.mc[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e4383209d2ccb9552700d53c0b540538 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:371917952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d308.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564fe0aac37698 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none mal hamilton wrote: > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. Hay bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have loaded hay bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for live snake heads sticking out of the bales :) Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F3ACA38000082; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si3qj-0005YZ-MQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:24:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si3qj-0005YQ-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:24:33 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3qh-0005Di-Iu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:24:32 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhAFANZw5E9OlWce/2dsb2JhbABFoBcDlUmBCIIYAQEFCE4CBg4KDgEEBQMDBA0EAQEKJTMGFggGEwgJh366AYsugmaCPGADiBSFNpdjgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,458,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="385561712" Received: from host-78-149-103-30.as13285.net (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.149.103.30]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 2012 14:24:29 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <001b01cd505a$d79cd230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001b01cd505a$d79cd230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:24:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mal You don't quote the all important, the bandwidth that you were taking these measurements in. I've just done a quick look on my receiver. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fbdd513523001863775249cfaf215eac Subject: LF: Re: NF MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0656_01CD5082.B94A5780" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:387184832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494fe4725a76d8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0656_01CD5082.B94A5780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal You don't quote the all important, the bandwidth that you were taking = these measurements in. I've just done a quick look on my receiver. 20kHz DDC bandwidth and 10Hz selectivity Noise floor with no antenna < -150dBm Noise floor with Beverage antenna connected < -140dBm=20 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: LF: NF MF MF Experiment this morning on 475 Khz band. Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz. Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB attenuation = inserted-------------120dB Antenna 1/4 wave inv L connected 95dB therefore a gain of 25 dB Time 0900 utc ----daytime Band quiet no static -- typical radio = environment at this QTH=20 I must do this check after dark g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0656_01CD5082.B94A5780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Mal
 
You don't quote the all important, the bandwidth that you were = taking these=20 measurements in.
 
I've just done a quick look on my receiver.
 
20kHz DDC bandwidth and 10Hz selectivity
 
Noise floor with no antenna < -150dBm
Noise floor with Beverage antenna connected < = -140dBm 
 
73s Tracey
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 = 10:38=20 AM
Subject: LF: NF MF

MF
Experiment this morning on 475 Khz = band.
 
Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz.
 
Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB = attenuation=20 inserted-------------120dB
 
Antenna 1/4 wave inv L connected  95dB = therefore a=20 gain of 25 dB
 
Time 0900 utc  ----daytime   = Band quiet=20 no static -- typical radio environment at this QTH
 
I must do this check after dark
 
g3kev
 
 
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello LF, looking at this very interesting graph: http://df3lp.de/misc/hga22/ my understanding is that summer nights - though shorter than winter ones - could be better for reception of LF signals in terms of signal strenght. Is this conclusion correct? Thanks 73 D. 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Hello LF,
 
looking at this very inte= resting graph:
 
 
my unders= tanding is that summer nights - though shorter than winter ones - could be = better for reception of LF signals in terms of signal strenght. Is this con= clusion correct?
 
Thanks
73
D= .
 
---73641666-699257366-1339618104=:65016-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4D16038000107; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si6Ml-0006ZC-CX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:05:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si6Mk-0006Z3-Sa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:05:46 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s15.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6Mi-0007ME-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:05:45 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W54 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:05:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group , RSGB Yahoo Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:05:41 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2012 16:05:41.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF8BB480:01CD5090] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All, I believe that I have made an improvement to the MF captures. I have increased the sound card sample rate to 96kHz & this has removed the gain fall off at the band edges on the 501kHz & 472kHz bands. You will find the site at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73, Gary - G4WGT. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.26 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2c521345-2d51-4287-b14b-13c00738dccc_" Subject: LF: G4WGT grabber. X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:238177344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554fe4980f486c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_2c521345-2d51-4287-b14b-13c00738dccc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=2C I believe that I have made an improvement to the MF captures. I h= ave increased the sound card sample rate to 96kHz & this has removed the ga= in fall off at the band edges on the 501kHz & 472kHz bands. You will find t= he site at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73=2C Gary = - G4WGT. = --_2c521345-2d51-4287-b14b-13c00738dccc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All=2C
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= --_2c521345-2d51-4287-b14b-13c00738dccc_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5CF79380000F0; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg0TV-0001XE-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:24:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg0TV-0001X5-1k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:24:05 +0100 Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg0TS-00041d-Q7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:24:03 +0100 Received: by bkty5 with SMTP id y5so6671366bkt.16 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/T+K+sI6AchkUBDo4YJzsz2oRHhe1Y0dUmBttINY1WA=; b=g5bJtdpj/w0xZaS+xP0utMQJd1y+g9BPGpqawFYEL3ZRaGjbbkk5MS2PeEgjwkGXxL BAchkqDZd2fJJYLE7guf3A44n2GQY3impMobv7MMd864WVbgpYETRBuZutzk8f2Imjwo 2dhDm9MILWtE/MgfZhv33suopIFPBkPfvz460BbZBoWIcfn3I13RA1dXn/coqO7lQxUA r0uK+hm+6eXSSrEkjoW+z8bH24umoxRalbKoJcjoGLpmgkblLtOQLyvqR5sQNN0D1wyK BRMQ6bR+XVmqru0a0YCWbHZvybMia214TUxA9/6JScEMYEsOwNLxOVlVRPRad7++C4Go WmqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.150.76 with SMTP id x12mr4376240bkv.97.1339881840641; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.178.73 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:24:00 +0300 Message-ID: From: Chris 4X1RF To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jan, Stefan Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in real time on the Delfi WebSdr. 73s Chris 4X1RF [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (chrisgomy[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f7f918e40888a44a70dddae14bd6a529 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175dd9c62708f204c29d8d6d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471316096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m225.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054fdcf9b96d8f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0015175dd9c62708f204c29d8d6d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jan, Stefan Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in real time on the Delfi WebSdr. 73s Chris 4X1RF On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM, pa3abk wrote: > Stefan, > > At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ. > And stop when your CQ starts again. > > There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5. > > > Jan/pa3abk > > > On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote: > >> Stefan, >> >> Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? >> >> At te mom you are becoming better. >> >> >> >> Jan/pa3abk >> >> On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> >>> MF, >>> >>> Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter >>> in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the >>> input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much bett= er. >>> I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure= if >>> they are local QRM or a far field signal. >>> >>> My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for >>> skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in th= e RX >>> already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try. >>> >>> Starting now! >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >> >> >> > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > > > --0015175dd9c62708f204c29d8d6d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jan, Stefan

Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in real= time on the Delfi WebSdr.


73s
Chris 4X1RF


On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 1= 1:57 PM, pa3abk <pa3abk@kpnmail.nl> wrote:
Stefan,

At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ.
And stop when your CQ starts again.

There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5.


Jan/pa3abk


On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote:
Stefan,

Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call?

At te mom you are becoming better.



Jan/pa3abk

On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
MF,

Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in f= ront of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input be= fore. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can he= ar the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are= local QRM or a far field signal.

My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds*! I can r= eceive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX already attenu= ate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try.

Starting now!

73, Stefan/DK7FC




--
pa3abk<-> =A0dordrecht jo21it



--0015175dd9c62708f204c29d8d6d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5164E380000B8; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHOb-0005Zy-Qr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:27:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHOb-0005Zp-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:27:29 +0100 Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbHOZ-0003Yj-F8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:27:28 +0100 Received: from mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.130]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q53KRMfF015042 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:27:22 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host-92-6-242-34.as43234.net [92.6.242.34]) by mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 1025DE0000BA for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:27:21 -0400 (EDT) From: pat To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <8208EBBB3DEF446C8B540F5BEBB38570@AGB> References: <8208EBBB3DEF446C8B540F5BEBB38570@AGB> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:31:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1338755490.3947.8.camel@g4gvw-high-grade> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1338755242; bh=RwCNK+kqx2ORjSMo0U99LlEW58Xsm19oDuJ5S5F9Ufo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=xnd6c457JCut3O7FwcT7Y+qT7Wa5fjaV56+MLlwtmIrqqPOP/Zc4EU6xKSgmeR9ev atEeeO0zZcgzdyH6d8Ay1acGaGxuvktrnkWLFCkpACXDuxckUzL6K+Q2Pw5nx8h0yY v+ELdY/W4e6LZ+SHvbWaojkfKv1xmoKWaC4NMDk8= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:422864576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: There are those in the Amateur Radio community who have no other profession than Amateur Radio just as there are those whose professional practice amounts to no more than a hobby! On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 19:09 +0100, Graham wrote: > ''professional amateurs''. > > Ah .... tricky that one ! > > G.. > > > From: Tony > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:00 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Fence sitter > > > I will put my hand up and admit that I'm one of those members that > doesn't post very often. > To make matters worse, I don't transmit and only receive LF on a very > irregular basis. > > The reason I joined the black sheep reflector was to get technical > information to enable me to eventually build an LF system, and that is > the reason I'm still here. > On many days the reflector is full of reception reports which are of > no interest to me at all, also requests for skeds which again are of > no interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on 10m & 6m > which I can easily see for myself on any cluster. > All these unwanted (for me) posts are easily marked as "read" in my > email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy if all post > were duplicated over two different reflectors. > > So I shall continue to sit on the fence and see which reflector > attracts the technical posters, including "underground" earth mode > results, and use that one and cancel the other. > > I have to say that the last few days have reminded me of a girls > school, all bitching, tantrums and tears. Not really what you would > expect from grown up professional amateurs. > > Tony, EI8JK. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.105.146 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4gvw[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: Re: LF: Fence sitter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444990080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m219.1 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fcbc8de7dce X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none There are those in the Amateur Radio community who have no other profession than Amateur Radio just as there are those whose professional practice amounts to no more than a hobby! On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 19:09 +0100, Graham wrote: > ''professional amateurs''. > > Ah .... tricky that one ! > > G.. > > > From: Tony > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:00 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Fence sitter > > > I will put my hand up and admit that I'm one of those members that > doesn't post very often. > To make matters worse, I don't transmit and only receive LF on a very > irregular basis. > > The reason I joined the black sheep reflector was to get technical > information to enable me to eventually build an LF system, and that is > the reason I'm still here. > On many days the reflector is full of reception reports which are of > no interest to me at all, also requests for skeds which again are of > no interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on 10m & 6m > which I can easily see for myself on any cluster. > All these unwanted (for me) posts are easily marked as "read" in my > email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy if all post > were duplicated over two different reflectors. > > So I shall continue to sit on the fence and see which reflector > attracts the technical posters, including "underground" earth mode > results, and use that one and cancel the other. > > I have to say that the last few days have reminded me of a girls > school, all bitching, tantrums and tears. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: and there all true we even invented crop circles but not treacle and we all love HogMaw B On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:53:49 -0000 "mal hamilton" writes: > Bob > Are you thinking of Totem poles - they are scarey!! when the combine > hits > one and buckles and the alligator in the near by swamp is just > waiting for > you > These are the stories we hear about America - a dangerous place > Meanwhile back to MF. Is there anyone listening out these days for > me on 500 > mal/g3kev > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes there are dead snake heads sticking out ?? > > > > Bob K3DJC > > > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:35:59 -0400 Dexter McIntyre W4DEX > > writes: > > > mal hamilton wrote: > > > > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > > > > > > > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. > Hay > > > > > > bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have > loaded > > > hay > > > bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for > live > > > snake > > > heads sticking out of the bales :) > > > > > > Dex > > > > > > > > > > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.136.55.36 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (riese-k3djc[at]juno.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_JUNO_RCVD,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485206048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m024.1 ; domain : juno.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4fe12c3d2de3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none and there all true we even invented crop circles but not treacle and we all love HogMaw B On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:53:49 -0000 "mal hamilton" writes: > Bob > Are you thinking of Totem poles - they are scarey!! when the combine > hits > one and buckles and the alligator in the near by swamp is just > waiting for > you > These are the stories we hear about America - a dangerous place > Meanwhile back to MF. Is there anyone listening out these days for > me on 500 > mal/g3kev > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes there are dead snake heads sticking out ?? > > > > Bob K3DJC > > > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:35:59 -0400 Dexter McIntyre W4DEX > > writes: > > > mal hamilton wrote: > > > > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > > > > > > > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. > Hay > > > > > > bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have > loaded > > > hay > > > bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for > live > > > snake > > > heads sticking out of the bales :) > > > > > > Dex > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 890DA38000083; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdmL9-0004NG-A7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:54:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdmL8-0004N7-Q0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:54:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdmL7-00012V-9i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:54:13 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgsFANje1E9cHnw2/2dsb2JhbABFnn4DlViBCIIPBAUBAQ0BAQNJAiELAQEIAgEDAwENBAEBCjkBBBoGFAIOEwoBAgIBAYd+tyKLJ4JOgxsDiA2FMZdbgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,384,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="37835752" Received: from host-92-30-124-54.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.124.54]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Jun 2012 18:54:12 +0100 Message-ID: <005201cd4732$09160f70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:54:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM Subject: LF: Votes Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to go. g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 7ab87d4d3ea1d9dcb73a78e83fe4d608 Subject: LF: Fw: Votes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4732.08C75330" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:379700256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fd4df7d6329 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4732.08C75330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM Subject: LF: Votes Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many = voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to = go. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4732.08C75330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: mal = hamilton=20
To: rsgb
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM
Subject: LF: Votes

Well
Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo = group. Out of=20 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo = was the=20 way to go.
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4732.08C75330-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 22A1B38000084; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 05:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdI5s-0006CP-EB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:36:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdI5r-0006CG-SM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:36:27 +0100 Received: from mail-ee0-f43.google.com ([74.125.83.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdI5p-0003Um-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:36:26 +0100 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50so2528752eek.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:36:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :x-gm-message-state; bh=EmPE9gY/rrapNRYHYrKSyMBGnnykv8S1V3odoXCKfkQ=; b=P8NgqN2+30VVenGCzb536Kb66XvoDp/3hT1Q/AN4r9m8U2v1Jakx7gIm5oUVdB7M7g q+MSmCwzDrOSHbEBhw92R78v2cswba1QAO4yz3sATmaePFy9X3iEFw/fnPr9E8mKXFaw SlBh1iHCbrUGk8i3eLw8tjxWEZNNahNC4IfLzxRUGr8SG6fEU8UWULbbLV/jctY9VYVV tyumP6dtbTlPv4bp60Fp57EkgcKgmbcpb9on8PNGfJbCvVwx9qiHtw0SEW0Qtni/4E9g evntaVl4k319dG20p8AnmAc0QIKmsRIzrxnuftFeSGFi8TChEsQeEc1U7W5NFzy0GCnW JWDQ== Received: by 10.14.127.130 with SMTP id d2mr4786488eei.82.1339234584829; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.127.130 with SMTP id d2mr4786482eei.82.1339234584488; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Win7Pro (host86-155-18-158.range86-155.btcentralplus.com. [86.155.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g46sm2629924eea.14.2012.06.09.02.36.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:36:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry GW0EZY To: References: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <000001cd461f$4d2fef50$e78fcdf0$@com> <005e01cd4621$e0d34660$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <005e01cd4621$e0d34660$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:36:21 +0100 Message-ID: <01bc01cd4623$557e9090$007bb1b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1GIj4zhqrLfGlPRFOORlr/8SpPHQAAJUcw Content-Language: en-gb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlziM52EOf3emhjrD/rjc3Jd/FhyJ2ZpE84dWES3DHzZ4KAxR1aXS1FZiAz6Vv/u6xoUBn+FlNphpPfoHqg91/s/8h9+Q== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very rusty!! I see you QSX 7033 for 502 - do you do the same for 136?? 73 Terry [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.83.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: d2a449809c9c1ff1983612d049372878 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: 136.5 now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD_01CD462B.B7431FA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479035136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d262.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fd3194e40bc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01CD462B.B7431FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very rusty!! I see you QSX 7033 for 502 - do you do the same for 136?? 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 10:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now Thanks Terry. Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW where information can be exchanged in a few minutes. Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong and both ends have suitable antennas. 73 es GL de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry GW0EZY To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !! Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40 To: rsgb Cc: rsgb Subject: LF: 136.5 now LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01CD462B.B7431FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very = rusty!!

 

I see you QSX 7033 for 502 – do you do the same for = 136??

 

73 Terry

 

From:= = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 10:26
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136.5 = now

 

Thanks = Terry.

Join in. I can work at any = speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW where information can be = exchanged in a few minutes.

Around EU CW has always been = a suitable mode for communications on LF. There is no need for long = winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong and both ends have = suitable antennas.

73 es = GL de mal/g3kev

 

 

----- = Original Message -----

From:<= /b> Terry GW0EZY =

Sent:<= /b> = Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM

Subject: = LF: RE: 136.5 now

 

Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV = !!

 

Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579.

 

73 Terry

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40
To: = rsgb
Cc: rsgb
Subject: LF: 136.5 = now

 

LF

=

Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE = only, pse call

 

de = g3kev

 

------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01CD462B.B7431FA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 39F1D38000083; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SawZ0-0002Ok-CS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:12:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SawYz-0002OS-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:12:49 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SawYx-0007Vd-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:12:48 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q52MCkMJ024838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 00:12:46 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q52MCk70025093 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 00:12:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA8F86.1030905@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 00:11:18 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1338658900.90499.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA625B.4050505@iup.uni-heidelbe! rg.de> <001301cd4108$e21e9010$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: <001301cd4108$e21e9010$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Andrey, Many thanks indeed! That't not bad for June :-) All the best! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF/MF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:468393696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fca900e451d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Andrey, Many thanks indeed! That't not bad for June :-) All the best! 73, Stefan Am 02.06.2012 23:43, schrieb rn3agc: > Hi Stefan, LF > > just now > > 73 > agc > >> Hi Pete, LF, >> >> Pete, the RIG sounds good. Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well? We could >> try for a QSO if you like. So far i didn't see you there on the band >> if i remember correctly. >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5BCD138000092; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skiex-0003LB-Is for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:23:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skiex-0003L2-0i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:23:23 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skieu-0000QH-9b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:23:21 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.202]) by mwinf5d41 with ME id UMPK1j0094MjVGq03MPKr3; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:23:19 +0200 Message-ID: <86E82E780CF0405BB85C38C665DF38B0@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <00a901cd563a$b02b6be0$0200a8c0@boxa> In-Reply-To: <00a901cd563a$b02b6be0$0200a8c0@boxa> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:23:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120629-2, 29/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes an exciting game of 'Techno-Guess' HiHi What is the stated pass band ripple ? Is that plot 3 dB / 50% or 6 dB ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e2b7e65dcf7cf6551ab81105a525fe0f Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD5645.C947CAF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:514819168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fee1cf9705c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD5645.C947CAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes an exciting game of 'Techno-Guess' HiHi What is the stated pass band ripple ?=20 Is that plot 3 dB / 50% or 6 dB ?=20 Should there be a standing mA feed ? which may dampen the = device a bit , stop it wringing ? From: Mike=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:03 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Stefan=20 Have you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not = sure if it is the same on both ends? I would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both ends. Mike G3JVL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Sch=E4fer Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try...=20 -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical = filters=20 Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200=20 Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20 kHz. It is available at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=20 (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20 frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20 impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20 sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20 high. See the image:=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.pn= g So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green = wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20 green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red = wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web=20 http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20 shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20 output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20 stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2433.1.1/5098 - Release Date: = 06/29/12 07:34:00 ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD5645.C947CAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes  an exciting  game  of  = 'Techno-Guess'  =20  HiHi
 
What  is the  stated  pass  band  = ripple  ?=20
 
Is that  plot   3 dB / 50% or   6 dB ? =
 
Should  there  be a  standing  mA  = feed  ?=20 which  may  dampen the  device  a  bit  ,=20 stop  it  wringing ?

From: Mike
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:03 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical=20 filters

Stefan=20
Have=20 you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not sure if = it is=20 the same on both ends?
I=20 would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both = ends.
Mike=20 G3JVL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan=20 Sch=E4fer
Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Subject:=20 LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters

4th = try...=20

-------- Original-Nachricht --------=20
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-heide= lberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

No virus found in this incoming = message.
Checked=20 by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: = 2433.1.1/5098 -=20 Release Date: 06/29/12 = 07:34:00

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------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01CD4F26.FE1011F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 676943800008C; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdlFu-0003tF-Ls for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:44:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdlFu-0003t6-5d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:44:46 +0100 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdlFs-0000mv-84 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:44:45 +0100 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120610164443.VWHH28930.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:44:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120610164443.ULY13318.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:44:43 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:44:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4FD4DD06.28906.B44E217@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <8CF153C0059E7C7-1F68-E339@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> References: <4FD4CBA4.29154.B00FF00@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, <8CF153C0059E7C7-1F68-E339@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=v7GFXmkIAAAA:8 a=vxeTyCr6kQJ4u1sxyKoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Markus, Ah that explains it. I have gone to some trouble to optimise my Speclab settings to discriminate against the vertical lines and to emphasise the horizontal ones. This make QRSS/DFCW stand out amongst static and DCF data bursts. I am looking at the Hell from Stefan as I am typing and that suffers from the same problem. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.48 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: Re: LF: DF8XV? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453307232:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b4fd4cf511e57 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Markus, Ah that explains it. I have gone to some trouble to optimise my Speclab settings to discriminate against the vertical lines and to emphasise the horizontal ones. This make QRSS/DFCW stand out amongst static and DCF data bursts. I am looking at the Hell from Stefan as I am typing and that suffers from the same problem. Thanks also for the QSO. Nice to see my signal gets through the QRM OK. 73 de Mike =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > well this was supposed to read "DF6NM" - maybe I should select a > different font for my Hell transmissions ;-) > > Thanks anyway for the report and screenshot, and also or the very > pleasant qrss/dfcw qso we had this morning. > > Have a good time, > Markus (DF6NM) > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: Mike Dennison > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: So, 10 Jun 2012 3:32 pm > Betreff: LF: DF8XV? > > > Received a Hell CQ from DF8XV this afternoon at a good strength. He id > not reply to my call. Who/where was he? Screen grab at: > http://g3xdv.blog.com Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 06D33380000A0; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1t6-0002Mv-K7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:54:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1t6-0002Mm-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:54:36 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg1t4-0004O7-Q4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:54:35 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFAH0N3U9cHYyy/2dsb2JhbABFn3IDlV6BCIITFAEBA0kCIQsCCAIBBgEdOQEEGgYIHB0BAgIBAYd+t3SRcwOID4U0l16CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,424,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395087265" Received: from host-92-29-140-178.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.178]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 23:54:34 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01cd4c12$fc419090$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:54:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF Someone on Opera at top end of band. If working CW we could have a QSO. Now QRT for tonite 73 de mal/g3kev MF Someone on Opera at top end of band. If working CW we could have a QSO. [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: LF: 478 keying Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CD4C12.FBFA0040" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:202182384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fdd0eda1dc3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CD4C12.FBFA0040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF Someone on Opera at top end of band. If working CW we could have a QSO. = Now QRT for tonite 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CD4C12.FBFA0040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
Someone on Opera at top end of band. If working = CW =20 we could have a QSO.
Now QRT for tonite
73 de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CD4C12.FBFA0040-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6FF9838000083; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scdtc-0002JG-S1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:41:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scdtc-0002J7-F9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:41:08 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScdtZ-0002LG-54 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:41:07 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmEJADS80E9cHYyS/2dsb2JhbABFiX2ocgSBLIEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMlASMCFAoIBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHdQkHuHKLHUSCL4MZA409l1qCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,731,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="37480047" Received: from host-92-29-140-146.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.146]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 15:41:04 +0100 Message-ID: <002901cd44bb$8eef6840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:41:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I can copy your beacon through the heavy QRN. If you go into QSO mode we could make a 2 x contact. BUT how good is your RX and Ears?? g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:10 PM Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: LF: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487560544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fd0bdc60899 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I can copy your beacon through the heavy QRN. If you go into QSO mode we could make a 2 x contact. BUT how good is your RX and Ears?? g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:10 PM Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a > challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo > against the QRN :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 > so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB39F38000083; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkBzM-00056z-Gs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:30:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkBzM-00056q-2j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:30:16 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkBzJ-0000Uv-OH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:30:14 +0100 Received: from IMAP4 (balancer7.mediabeam.com [10.100.1.80]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5SAUCvh029490 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:30:12 +0200 Received: from [192.168.178.33] (37-4-36-228-dynip.superkabel.de [37.4.36.228] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpa.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5SAUAdS029455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:30:11 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEC323B.3040805@kabelmail.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:30:19 +0200 From: DK1IS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtpa.mediabeam.com id q5SAUAdS029455 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Am 28.06.2012 00:33, schrieb Stefan Schäfer: > MF, > > For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that > operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF > TRX can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input > power must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can > be switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the > output impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is > not so critical, Z=R may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The > FETs are IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer > uses RF litz wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort > for optimising the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW > QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a > 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm. > The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF > power. The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this > measurement. > > If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a > schematic as a png file. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG > > > > . > Hi Stefan, [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: Re: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:439060736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64fec328471d7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Am 28.06.2012 00:33, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > MF, > > For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that=20 > operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF=20 > TRX can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input=20 > power must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can=20 > be switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the=20 > output impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is=20 > not so critical, Z=3DR may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The=20 > FETs are IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer=20 > uses RF litz wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort=20 > for optimising the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW=20 > QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a=20 > 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm. > The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF=20 > power. The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this=20 > measurement. > > If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a=20 > schematic as a png file. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100= W.JPG=20 > > > > . > Hi Stefan, me too, please! 73, Tom,DK1IS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A96AA38000092; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkH3d-0006nJ-Lm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:55:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkH3c-0006n8-N3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:55:00 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkH3Z-0003ZG-Q2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:54:59 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5SFsuqU001953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:54:57 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5SFsuRi003175 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:54:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEC7DDF.8050906@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:53:03 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC18F4.9050608@online.fr> <1340875355.96079.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1340876781.29716.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340876781.29716.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi MF, Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png (picture of prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 8044ff87f22777286b33afb193e0811f Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070101020709040309030703" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485622592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41094fec7e95132f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070101020709040309030703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5SFsuqU001953 Hi MF, Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is:=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png (picture of=20 prototype=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.= JPG) Most of the parts are not critical. The ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are in=20 the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the=20 primary and secondary number of turns. There are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N=20 you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher=20 input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts.=20 Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise=20 between low on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Source=20 voltage should be 55V for a 12V supply. Instead of RF litz wire (i use this one:=20 http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI= %20200%2F30=20 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what=20 you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less. The overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is=20 quite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p=20 tests. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a=20 multi step switch and more taps. A DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal=20 coming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as=20 the peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before! Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT: > Hi again Stefan > The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@(( > Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be=20 > stranded up to make a synth? > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > *From:* M0FMT > *To:* "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > *Sent:* Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22 > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > > Hi Stefan > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/1608182= 53496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8= =20 > > Just over =C2=A35 a pop! > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PW= R-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f3= 26077=20 > > Just over =C2=A36 a pop! > But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite? =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6= ;0) > Chees Pete FMT > *From:* Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42 > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > > Hello Stephan , > Me too > 73 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ > > > > Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3=A9crit : >> Hi Stephan >> Me Too >> >> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX >> *From:* "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12 >> *Subject:* LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC >> >> like >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Rik Strobbe >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM >> *Subject:* LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC >> >> //If/ someone is interested i may convert the >> circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file./ >> Always interested ;-) >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> >> > > > > > > --------------070101020709040309030703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5SFsuqU001953 Hi MF,

Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%= 20475kHz%20PA.png=C2=A0 (picture of prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/= 19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG)

Most of the parts are not critical.

The ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are in the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the primary and secondary number of turns.

There are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts. Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise between low on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Source voltage should be 55V for a 12V supply.

Instead of RF litz wire (i use this one: http://www.reiche= lt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less.

The overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is quite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p tests. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a multi step switch and more taps.

A DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal coming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before!






Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT:
Hi again Stefan
=C2=A0
The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@((<= /span>
=C2=A0
Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be stranded up to make a synth?

=C2=A0
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: M0FMT <= m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org>
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
= Just over =C2=A35 a pop!
= Just over =C2=A36 a pop!
But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0)
<= font size=3D"3">Chees Pete FMT
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 &l= t;jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hello Stephan ,
Me too
73=C2=A0 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ=C2=A0



Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hi Stephan
=C2=A0
Me Too

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org
To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12
Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

like
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM
Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If=C2=A0someo= ne is=C2=A0interested i=C2=A0may=C2=A0convert the circuit=C2=A0from=C2=A0my=C2= =A0mind=C2=A0into a schematic as a=C2=A0png file.
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Always=C2=A0interested ;-)
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--------------070101020709040309030703-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 785A6380000B2; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjZvk-0006kk-TW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:52:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjZvk-0006kb-2h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:52:00 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s3.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjZvi-0008RB-1w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:51:58 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W51 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s3.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:51:56 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:51:55 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1340728957.15592.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <172D1CB5F32F43A790DBC99A73F73D59@AGB>,<1340728957.15592.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2012 17:51:56.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[60D37A60:01CD53C4] X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All, Pete M0FMT wrote :-When I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. That was my very first transmitter.....And don't forget...."Tuning high to low for a reply". That takes me back :-) 73, Gary - G4WGT. Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100 From: Re: LF: A/G FREQS [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.14 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: a44b221381f32eba3e5127fadf77bc3d Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_69ccadac-9a2a-43dc-96e6-f8aedb58d626_" Subject: RE: LF: A/G FREQS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471508384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d618a4fe9f6fd0715 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_69ccadac-9a2a-43dc-96e6-f8aedb58d626_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=2C Pete M0FMT wrote :-When I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a = QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. Th= at was my very first transmitter.....And don't forget...."Tuning high to lo= w for a reply". That takes me back :-) 73=2C Gary - G4WGT. Date: Tue=2C 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100 From: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00= amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. After all its just = the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in a nonlinear device = like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess you wo= uld PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and usin= g considerably less power over all. Class E an all. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday=2C 26 June 2012=2C 17:09 Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS =20 =20 =20 Steady on Mal ! this is getting technical =20 !" =20 Your right =2C FM has a cut off point =2C=20 where demodulation fails and also a capture =20 effect =2C where the stronger of 2 signals will =20 acquire and hold the demodulator ..always =20 fun on 2 mtrs when a mobile suddenly =20 takes the channel=20 =20 Am has no cut off point =2C but gradual =20 degradation until the recovered audio is no longer=20 usable ......eg=2C mcw would readable much =20 lower than AM speech=20 =20 I think much over 250/300 MHz its =20 actually not possible to produce AM =2C could=20 be wrong =2C but there is a limit =2C may =20 be by high level modulation falls over =2C dont =20 see why could not be via transverting =20 .......=20 =20 G.. From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Tuesday=2C June 26=2C 2012 8:36 AM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: A/G FREQS As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and=20 simplex working. I have also noticed a well modulated AM transmitter=20 is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM the R= X=20 bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then= =20 select the one of interest by closing down the selectivity=2C the same appl= ies on=20 CW. On FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a black=20 hole=2C in other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the=20 exact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation value) g3kev =20 = --_69ccadac-9a2a-43dc-96e6-f8aedb58d626_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All=2C
 =3B
Pete M0FMT wrote :-
When I were a Jate we only = had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in th= e good old days.
 =3B
That was my very =3Bfirst transmitter..= ...And don't forget...."Tuning high to low for a reply".
 =3B
Tha= t takes me back =3B :-)
 =3B
73=2C
 =3B
Gary - G4WG= T.

 =3B
Date: Tue=2C 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100
From: m0fmt@yahoo.= co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS
=
Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQ= V02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate =3Bin the good old day= s. After all its just the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with = =3Baudio in a nonlinear device like a Class C amp works from almost DC to l= ight!. Nowerdays I guess you would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base pro= ducing the same effect and using considerably less power over all. Class E = an all.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: = Graham <=3Bg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>=3B
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday=2C 26 June 2012=2C 17:09=
Subject: Re: LF: A/= G FREQS

=20 =20
Steady on Mal ! =3B =3B this =3B is getting =3B techni= cal =3B=20 !"
 =3B
Your =3B right =3B =2C FM has a =3B cut off =3B point&= nbsp=3B =2C=20 where =3B demodulation fails =3B and =3B also =3B a =3B= capture =3B=20 effect =2C where the =3B stronger of =3B 2 signals =3B will&nbs= p=3B=20 acquire =3B and =3B hold the =3B demodulator ..always =3B&n= bsp=3B=20 fun =3B on 2 =3B mtrs =3B =3B when a =3B mobile =3B= suddenly =3B=20 takes =3B the =3B channel
 =3B
Am =3B has no =3B cut off =3B point =2C but =3B gradua= l =3B=20 degradation =3B until the =3B recovered =3B audio =3B is no=  =3B longer=20 usable =3B ......eg=2C  =3Bmcw =3B would =3B readable = =3B much =3B=20 lower =3B than =3B AM speech
 =3B
I think =3B much over =3B 250/300 MHz =3B =3B its = =3B=20 actually =3B not =3B possible to =3B produce =3B AM =3B= =2C could=20 be =3B wrong =3B =2C but =3B there is a =3B limit =3B = =2C may =3B =3B=20 be =3B by =3B high =3B level =3B modulation falls over =2C = dont =3B=20 see =3B why =3B could =3B not =3B be =3B via =3B tr= ansverting =3B=20 .......
 =3B
G..
Sent: Tuesday=2C June 26=2C 2012 8:36 AM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: A/G FREQS

As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and=20 simplex =3Bworking.  =3BI have also noticed a well modulated AM tra= nsmitter=20 is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM the R= X=20 bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then= =20 select the one of interest by closing down the selectivity=2C the same appl= ies on=20 CW.  =3BOn FM if you tried this the =3Btransmission would fall into= a black=20 hole=2C in other words the =3BFM rx has to be tailored to the=20 exact =3Bbandwidth of the transmission (same deviation value)
g3kev
 =3B


= --_69ccadac-9a2a-43dc-96e6-f8aedb58d626_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EECDE38000097; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SesKI-0003I0-LC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:29:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SesKI-0003Hr-7U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:29:54 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SesKG-0005La-LB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:29:53 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwFADTS2E9cHn9P/2dsb2JhbABFn2YDlVeBCIITFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEHARw5AQQaBggcHQECAgEBh36YdqErkUIDiA6FMpddgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,405,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="384407834" Received: from host-92-30-127-79.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.127.79]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2012 19:29:50 +0100 Message-ID: <009e01cd4992$8173df80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:29:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF Now that MF is shaping up with DL permits and others. If you can find a DECCA sub unit 5501 it takes less than a couple of hours to modify/ adapt for the 472 Khz band. In round figure values all that is needed is a 22uH in series with 5 nF C. Adjust L for frequency of interest of centre of band. A matching transformer is then required to match approx 5 Ohms to 50 Ohms and LPF to the antenna. I use an old tube TV LOPT and it works well with good efficiency. A couple of hours work and you can be on the new 473 band. A loaded inv L antenna and you are in business. 73 de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: LF: decca 5501 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009B_01CD4992.8116CB60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:317040704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fd8dc6304d0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CD4992.8116CB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF Now that MF is shaping up with DL permits and others. If you can find a = DECCA sub unit 5501 it takes less than a couple of hours to modify/ = adapt for the 472 Khz band. In round figure values all that is needed is = a 22uH in series with 5 nF C. Adjust L for frequency of interest of = centre of band. A matching transformer is then required to match approx = 5 Ohms to 50 Ohms and LPF to the antenna. I use an old tube TV LOPT and it works well with good efficiency. A couple of hours work and you can be on the new 473 band. A loaded inv = L antenna and you are in business. 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CD4992.8116CB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
Now that MF is shaping up with DL permits = and others.=20 If you can find a DECCA sub unit 5501 it takes less than a couple of = hours to=20 modify/ adapt for the 472 Khz band. In round figure values all that is = needed is=20 a 22uH in series with 5 nF C. Adjust L for frequency of = interest of=20 centre of band. A matching transformer is then required to match approx=20 5 Ohms to 50 Ohms and LPF to the antenna.
I use an old tube TV LOPT and it works  = well with=20 good efficiency.
A couple of hours work and you can be on the new = 473 band.=20 A loaded inv L antenna and you are in business.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CD4992.8116CB60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 664FD3800009C; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeCpA-0006wh-Sm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:11:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeCpA-0006wY-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:11:00 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeCp2-00058p-2T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:10:59 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5BMAohg017282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:10:51 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5BMAooE027138 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:10:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:09:14 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF, Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night. The TX is already on air... In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it may be a bit difficult to become visible in TA. But who knows... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 87966b345956c8ef3389b993f6a18f4e Subject: LF: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:334643360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fd66d4016ad X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LF, Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night. The TX is already on air... In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it may be a bit difficult to become visible in TA. But who knows... At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for distances below 3000 km. Probably because the area in darkness is small on the northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away is attenuated. So the distances within the first hop range may be a bit lower than in winther but maybe the noise is even lower so S/N improvement of some dB results. At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done many tests and the radiated signal was even 3 dB stronger than a few days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm thinking different about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 92692380000AD; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbtb0-00059Y-6T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:14:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbtaz-00059H-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:14:49 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbtax-0002Kc-4n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:14:48 +0100 Received: by obfk16 with SMTP id k16so21056172obf.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:14:45 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GPbwF4Mp92wdk+ojyBRzcGkU94kXPiVRwjIX27wKzb8=; b=p5FhV6vGs/7DodON/4PLy4XNpWXfyKieFQ+FDhswra1M7Ew8ZCV3hI4ESM7qMweBPq w50dfJRNHapn48Tka8cp1ybiVt6M1C2+bQeJ7gJuWAq6fkFAiQJaANCgG5bqdOmlAUO3 vx5rqGlJP3OgGx3FwHHQVFu5hVf6TifX0JvbxuxCVaBKsuaUjI4MqqKAdPKVuTFJ6H8S 9OGe3tWrmk4MxPSYdFqnqhQmCCl2Q8SLGlSH7+9oepHYFGev+kuIcZx8ADcFMoy4lltW wPKrcaMtjITsU5GlFk2NjSTafft1W7bk0ykdc9q4KwxM1bZ+bYE9sOBUvQ787fsxxgb3 1JxA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.164.69 with SMTP id yo5mr15979209obb.17.1338902085506; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 06:14:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <008101cd4316$964358f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <008101cd4316$964358f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:14:45 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means that you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership of the RSGB_LF_Group list (yet). [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 0317e2ac8ed27149e57223a21580246d Subject: Re: LF: vote Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f642d8832176b04c1b96f72 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466680800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d283.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fce06736a8e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8f642d8832176b04c1b96f72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means that you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership of the RSGB_LF_Group list (yet). 73 John, G3WKL On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton wrote: > ** > John > I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open to me in spite of being > able to log in > I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors going and this will satisfy > all concerned. > My main objection was the way the transition suddenly took place without > proper consultation. > I would suggest everyone votes openly on both reflectors, to avoid lock > outs like we are hearing about from several others. > > de mal/g3kev > > --e89a8f642d8832176b04c1b96f72 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

I've just sent you a reply to the same message = on the other list. =A0I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail accou= nt, which means that you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated w= ith your membership of the RSGB_LF_Group list (yet).

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open = to me in=20 spite of being able to log in
I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors goi= ng and=20 this will satisfy all concerned.
My main objection was the way the transition=20 suddenly=A0took place without proper consultation.
I would suggest everyone votes openly on both ref= lectors,=20 to avoid lock outs like we are hearing about from several others.
=A0
de mal/g3kev
=A0

--e89a8f642d8832176b04c1b96f72-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 101BA380000BC; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl186-0007gn-V2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:06:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl186-0007ge-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:06:42 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sl184-0006pX-E7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:06:41 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai4FAGcx709cF/7u/2dsb2JhbABFoF4DlXSBCIITBQEBBQgBAQMQOQITGQEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfrtEizuCfoMcA4gXhTeXaYJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,503,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="377500672" Received: from host-92-23-254-238.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.238]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 18:06:39 +0100 Message-ID: <002301cd56e2$b54fb5b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008501cd56d5$f5c084b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <0384C214D0514315B65DAD68864962C1@W1KW> <000b01cd56d8$84122a00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <001701cd56d9$9e02ad80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:06:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF It seems to me there are more learners on 500 Khz than experienced operators, whereas 160 metres has Experts galore. No one knows who tuned up and tested earlier today or admits it, of course they might have been zapped by lightening and expired In a rain forest with storms and lightening who would do that !! instead head for the beach. Strange world de g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 081739af09bdcbecda01e4d970c01b31 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: test 476.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01CD56E2.B484EBA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:483466688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84fef326e321d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CD56E2.B484EBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF It seems to me there are more learners on 500 Khz than experienced = operators, whereas 160 metres has Experts galore. No one knows who tuned up and tested earlier today or admits it, of = course they might have been zapped by lightening and expired In a rain forest with storms and lightening who would do that !! instead = head for the beach. Strange world de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:01 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: test 476.5 Geri There is someone extremely weak on the frequency but no good for a cw = qso at present. Strange where the strong signal went to !! I just happened to be in the shack at the time when the stn tuned up = and suddenly went QRT. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:53 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: test 476.5 Geri I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST and some V's for a few = seconds was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it DK7FC De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: LF: Re: test 476.5 Mal, I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX 502. 73 Geri, DK8KW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: LF: test 476.5 Stn tst on 476.5 599=20 qsx 502=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CD56E2.B484EBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
It seems to me there are more learners on 500 = Khz than=20 experienced operators, whereas 160 metres has Experts = galore.
No one knows who tuned up and tested earlier = today or=20 admits it, of course they might have been zapped by lightening and=20 expired
In a rain forest with storms and lightening who = would do=20 that !! instead head for the beach.
Strange world
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 4:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: test = 476.5

Geri
There is someone extremely weak on the = frequency but no=20 good for a cw qso at present. Strange where the strong signal went to=20 !!
I just happened to be in the shack at the time = when the=20 stn tuned up and suddenly went QRT.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 3:53=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: test = 476.5

Geri
I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST = and some V's=20 for a few seconds was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it=20 DK7FC
De mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Holger = 'Geri', DK8KW -=20 DI2BO - W1KW
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, June 30, = 2012 3:47=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: test = 476.5

Mal,
 
I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, = QSX=20 502.
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, June 30, = 2012 5:35=20 PM
Subject: LF: test = 476.5

Stn tst on 476.5 599
qsx 502
de mal/g3kev
=
 
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CD56E2.B484EBA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3DB3A380000A1; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkiYn-0003E9-0t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:17:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkiYm-0003E0-BK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:17:00 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkiYk-0000MG-7d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:16:59 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.202]) by mwinf5d41 with ME id UMGu1j0084MjVGq03MGuF4; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:16:57 +0200 Message-ID: <5DCDBF0ADD564CB1947F77646CFA5ECE@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:16:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120629-2, 29/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Is that series or parallel |Z| ? Also will need the correct parallel capacitance valve cct shows the anode amps passing via the filter ? odd ? but if its for this kind of service , then the |Z| is referring to anode load values , which are not 'real' but complex [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 6ae5fe68d6708d1e4a9cbdf0f0af43e5 Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CD5644.E3754250" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:507613632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a4fee1b800707 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CD5644.E3754250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is that series or parallel |Z| ? Also will need the correct = parallel capacitance=20 valve cct shows the anode amps passing via the filter ? odd ? = but if its for this kind of service , then the |Z| is referring = to anode load values , which are not 'real' but complex=20 Data sheet , cannot read, say load termination |Z| or = terminate with Ohms ?=20 G..=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:26 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try...=20 -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical = filters=20 Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200=20 Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20 kHz. It is available at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=20 (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20 frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20 impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20 sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20 high. See the image:=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.pn= g So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green = wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20 green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red = wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web=20 http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20 shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20 output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20 stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CD5644.E3754250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is  that  series  or  parallel  |Z|  = ? =20 Also  will  need  the  correct  = parallel  =20 capacitance
 
valve  cct  shows  the  anode  amps =20 passing  via  the filter  ?  odd  ? but if = its =20 for  this  kind of  service , then  the  |Z| = is =20 referring  to  anode  load  values , which are  = not   'real'  but  complex
 
Data  sheet , cannot  read,    say =20 load  termination  |Z| or   terminate  = with  Ohms=20 ?
 
G.. 
 
 

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:26 PM
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical = filters

4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht --------=20
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer CTRL + Click = to follow link"=20 = href=3D"mailto:schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>"><schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC
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Thanks, 73 [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dk8kw.di2bo[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: bc223f74149f392a7d9f3881f05f1e70 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4C09.547E1C60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:495107808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d013.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fdce28c0f66 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4C09.547E1C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, I will look into ROS, I have a SSB exciter that works down to 100 kHz = which should be able to do the trick. Thanks, 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 DF2JP=20 First station to decode off air , at -22 dB that is strong = enough to use the ROS-MF-2 data mode for a qso ! , Opera qso = mode needs -20 dB min signal level ,=20 (ROS MF needs Audio + ssb or SDR tx , but is MFSK so no need = for a linear PA ) 18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w + = Umbrella,=20 18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com=20 Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft =20 73 -G.=20 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB *********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20 16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4C09.547E1C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,
 
I will look into ROS, I have a SSB = exciter=20 that works down to 100 kHz which should be able to do the=20 trick.
 
 
Thanks, 73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 9:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera = decode=20 from 477 via Delft sdr

DF2JP
 
First  station  to  decode  off  air , = at =20 -22 dB   that is  strong enough  to  use = the =20 ROS-MF-2  data  mode  for  a qso !   ,=20 Opera  qso mode  needs  -20 dB min signal  = level  ,=20
 
(ROS MF needs  Audio + ssb  or  SDR   = tx  ,=20 but  is  MFSK  so  no need  for  a  = linear=20 PA )
 

18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella,

18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com
Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

*********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20

 

16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Group, The beacon will be on again tonight 2300 UTC until tomorrow 13 June 0930 UTC with a CW ID. Reports of reception will be appreciated! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: cc2e5baae40f8f7a09b47e6877ef0bfb Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:495390656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074fd7c2ed5ce5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Group, The beacon will be on again tonight 2300 UTC until tomorrow 13 June 0930 UTC with a CW ID. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all  You must make sure the stick has an RTL2832 chip set! HDSDR is a windows application. The BorIP app is in a windows version (and this also gives remote operation facility) and the DLL will also run under windows. I have it working on several PCs two on Vista and one on Win 7.  The set up is not perfect in that the software can loose track of the stick LO if too large frequency jumps are undertaken and restarts of the application are required. However normal use say within the 20 to 30meg range when used as a HF IF it is not an issue. I have not explored the full envelope but on 2m and 70cms I get the local repeaters OK its great for airband RX. I think may be for 1296 it may need a Gasfet front end (this works from my experience) or very good beam.  For first hand information Google or in my case Yahooooo Balit Seeber (he is a VK Op) an OZ. He has written all the software and up set the OZ establishment by logging all the radio emitters in OZ electronically something the their government can't do........ a bit of a wiz!! and very helpful  http://spench.net/  http://wiki.spench.net/wiki/RTL2832   For info. This arrangement works well. The rate of processing data is low 8b/s which is inferior to say a softrock and sound card. But to have the HF spectrum as a continuous ribbon of tuning is a buzz. My HF converter seems to require no front end amplification in fact on 40m at night it can overload. An attenuator may be considered. The application does have a gain control and should be set carefully about mid range for starters. For LF an amp probably could be considered. The up converter is open to experiment to cover what ever is your interests.  This is a very cheap solution that works and is within any Radio Amateurs ability to make up even if just to cover VHF. The cost is peanuts...... oh and the HDSDR has offsets in dial calibration for just this set up so by using known BC stns the dial can be set very accurately making the set up a useful instrument for tracking down harmonics and [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.199 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ce3df9f2acd7587159138e0455ceb9aa Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-84687347-1340272452=:94029" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472905952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d247.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4fe2ef826fe2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-84687347-1340272452=:94029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=0A=C2=A0=0AYou must make sure the stick has an RTL2832 chip set!=0AH= DSDR is a windows application. The BorIP app is=C2=A0in a windows version (= and this also gives remote operation facility) and the DLL will also run un= der windows. I have it working on several PCs two on Vista and one on Win 7= .=0A=C2=A0=0AThe set up is not perfect in that the software can loose track= of the stick LO if too large frequency jumps are undertaken and restarts o= f the application are required. However normal use say within the 20 to 30m= eg range when used as a HF IF it is not an issue. I have not explored the f= ull envelope but=C2=A0on 2m and 70cms I get the local repeaters=C2=A0OK its= great for airband RX. I think may be for 1296 it may need a Gasfet front e= nd=C2=A0(this works from my experience) or very good beam.=0A=C2=A0=0AFor f= irst hand information Google or in my case Yahooooo Balit Seeber=C2=A0(he i= s a VK=C2=A0Op)=C2=A0an OZ.=C2=A0He has written all the software and up set= the OZ establishment=C2=A0by logging all the radio emitters in OZ electron= ically=C2=A0something the their government can't do........ a bit of a wiz!= ! and very helpful=0A=C2=A0=0Ahttp://spench.net/=0A=C2=A0=0Ahttp://wiki.spe= nch.net/wiki/RTL2832=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AFor info. This arrangement works w= ell. The rate of processing data is low 8b/s which is inferior to say a sof= trock and sound card. But to have the=C2=A0HF spectrum as a continuous ribb= on of tuning is a buzz. My HF converter seems to require no front end ampli= fication in fact on 40m at night it can overload. An attenuator may be cons= idered. The application does have a gain control and should be set carefull= y about mid range for starters. For LF an amp probably could be considered.= The up converter is open to experiment to cover what ever is your interest= s.=0A=C2=A0=0AThis is a very cheap solution that works and is within any Ra= dio Amateurs ability to make up even if just to cover VHF.=0AThe cost is pe= anuts...... oh and the HDSDR has offsets in dial calibration for just this = set up so by using known BC stns the dial can be set very accurately making= the set up a useful instrument for tracking down harmonics and sprogs.=0A7= 3 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From:= Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASen= t: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 0:24=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A =0A=0A = =0AIve=C2=A0 got=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 1970's=C2=A0 5 Guilder note=C2=A0 if =0Athat= 's=C2=A0 any=C2=A0 good ?=C2=A0 =0A=0AYou=C2=A0 need to=C2=A0 look=C2=A0 o= ut=C2=A0 for the=C2=A0 chip=C2=A0 =0Anumber=C2=A0 that's=C2=A0 being=C2=A0 = used=C2=A0 , its=C2=A0 used in =0Avarious=C2=A0 brands=C2=A0 , check the=C2= =A0 posted=C2=A0 lists=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 =0Athe=C2=A0 latest=C2=A0 info=C2=A0= , Pete=C2=A0 may=C2=A0 have the=C2=A0 =0Ainfo=C2=A0 you=C2=A0 need=C2=A0 ?= =0A=0AG. =0A=0A =0AFrom: mal hamilton =0ASent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12= :16 AM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR program= s =0A =0ANot long. Heard the Lira was making a comeback in Italy. =0AYour = =C2=A35 stick costs 3,784,227 Lira also in some parts of Ireland they are u= sing =0Athe Punt again in some shops. =0AI have found on holidays in EU th= ey like the US$ and the =0ABritish =C2=A3 and give a good rate of exchange.= =0AI might try one of the TV digi sticks, which is the best =0Abrand =0Ad= e mal/g3kev =0A=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: = M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Wednesday, June 20, = 2012 6:40 PM =0A>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A>=0A> =0A> =0A>Hi all = =0A>Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long the= y will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s =C2=A0BorIP app = and ExtIO.USRP DLL using =C2=A0ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2= 832 (chip set) DVB-T USB stick. =0A>These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks ar= e about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gi= gs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monol= ithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too= can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts= all run off the USB supply just add antenna. =0A>Oh and guess what the s= tick gets you all your local digital TV stations with record facility and = all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80=99s not enough all your loc= al FM BC as well. =C2=A0Not a lot of people know that! =0A>URLs apply=E2= =80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 =0A>https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_pr= oduct=3D239 =0A>http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compa= tibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/ =0A>You won=E2=80=99t read about this = in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) =0A>Yy 73=C2=A0 Pete M0fmt =0A>=0A>= =0A>=C2=A0 =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>______________________= __________=0A>From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 201= 2, 18:40=0A>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A>=0A>Hi Piotr,=0A>=0A>Thanks f= or the overview of =0A programs. That's what i searched for.=0A>But maybe = i have expressed wrongly =0A what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also= for a mono input, not only for =0A IQ inputs. Are the programs you're ref= erring on usable for both, IQ and =0A mono?=0A>Well, i'm waiting for one o= f my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) =0A answer. If there is a solution = in SpecLab i would prefer that i =0A think...=0A>=0A>Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC= =0A>=0A>> Hi Stefan, LF=0A>> =0A>> i have SDR-IQ receiver from=C2=A0 RFSpac= e. The primary supporting =0A software for all their sdr=C2=A0 hardware is= Spectravue.=0A>> you can =0A download this program from the rfspace site:= =0A>> =0A>> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html=0A>> =0A>> i do = recommend this program=C2=A0 although it is sligthly difficult =0A to get = started.=0A>> However,=C2=A0 once you get familiar with it you will =0A li= ke it:)=0A>> =0A>> on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com=C2=A0 you =0A wi= ll also find a link to sdr -radio:=0A>> =0A>> http://www.sdr-radio.com/=0A>= > =0A>>=C2=A0 they have a =0A very powerful radio console which looks like= a regular transceiver front =0A side=0A>>=C2=A0 It has many many differen= t options - of course, it does =0A take time to learn all of them but the = basic setup is rather easy..=0A>> =0A>> i also recommend=C2=A0 HDSDR softwa= re:=C2=A0 http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html=0A>> very intuitive and =0A easy = to use.=0A>> =0A>> Well, there is a growing number of sdr software =0A sup= porting=C2=A0 sdr hardware.=C2=A0 an example of such collection of sdr =0A = programs you can find here:=0A>> =0A>> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfq= radio/soundcard_sdr_software=0A>> =0A>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ=0A>> =0A>> qth: Lodz =0A /jo91rs/=0A>> =0A>> = =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> --435439028-84687347-1340272452=:94029 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi can any one give me some advice on how to fill out ofcoms nov, i am a bit stuck. David G6WGZ From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 18:51 Subject: RE: LF: A/G FREQS [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.71 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (julieblinx[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 52d17ee6003fa6763aae891a69410baf Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-796194823-913339264-1340745569=:6806" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1494fea278f22a9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---796194823-913339264-1340745569=:6806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi can any one give me some advice on how to fill out ofcoms nov, i am a bi= t stuck.=0ADavid G6WGZ=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gar= y G4WGT =0ATo: LF Group = =0ASent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 18:51=0ASubject: RE: LF: A/G FREQS=0A=0A= =0AHi All,=0A=A0=0APete M0FMT wrote :-=0AWhen I were a Jate we only had one= xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good = old days.=0A=A0=0AThat was my very=A0first transmitter.....And don't forget= ...."Tuning high to low for a reply".=0A=A0=0AThat takes me back=A0 :-)=0A= =A0=0A73,=0A=A0=0AGary - G4WGT.=0A=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A__________________________= ______=0ADate: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100=0AFrom: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0ASubject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS=0A=0A=0AWell = Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 ampl= itude modulated on the plate=A0in the good old days. After all its just the= product of mixing two frequencies 432 with=A0audio in a nonlinear device l= ike a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess you wou= ld PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and using= considerably less power over all. Class E an all.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT= IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Tuesday, 26 June= 2012, 17:09=0ASubject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS=0A=0A=0ASteady on Mal !=A0=A0 thi= s=A0 is getting=A0 technical=A0 !"=0A=0AYour=A0 right=A0 , FM has a=A0 cut = off=A0 point=A0 , where=A0 demodulation fails=A0 and=A0 also=A0 a=A0 captur= e=A0 effect , where the=A0 stronger of=A0 2 signals=A0 will=A0 acquire=A0 a= nd=A0 hold the=A0 demodulator ..always=A0=A0 fun=A0 on 2=A0 mtrs=A0=A0 when= a=A0 mobile=A0 suddenly=A0 takes=A0 the=A0 channel =0A=0AAm=A0 has no=A0 c= ut off=A0 point , but=A0 gradual=A0 degradation=A0 until the=A0 recovered= =A0 audio=A0 is no=A0 longer usable=A0 ......eg, =A0mcw=A0 would=A0 readabl= e=A0 much=A0 lower=A0 than=A0 AM speech =0A=0AI think=A0 much over=A0 250/3= 00 MHz=A0=A0 its=A0 actually=A0 not=A0 possible to=A0 produce=A0 AM=A0 , co= uld be=A0 wrong=A0 , but=A0 there is a=A0 limit=A0 , may=A0=A0 be=A0 by=A0 = high=A0 level=A0 modulation falls over , dont=A0 see=A0 why=A0 could=A0 not= =A0 be=A0 via=A0 transverting=A0 ....... =0A=0AG..=0A=0AFrom: mal hamilton = =0ASent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM=0ATo: rsgb =0ASubject: LF: A/G FREQ= S=0A=0AAs stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex=A0working. =A0I have = also noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM trans= mitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be opened up t= o receive several stations simultaneously then select the one of interest b= y closing down the selectivity, the same applies on CW. =A0On FM if you tri= ed this the=A0transmission would fall into a black hole, in other words the= =A0FM rx has to be tailored to the exact=A0bandwidth of the transmission (s= ame deviation value)=0Ag3kev ---796194823-913339264-1340745569=:6806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi can any one give me some advice on how= to fill out ofcoms nov, i am a bit stuck.
David G6WGZ

From:= Gary G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: LF Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>= ;
Sent: Tuesday, 26 Jun= e 2012, 18:51
Subject: R= E: LF: A/G FREQS

Hi All,
 
Pete M0FMT wrote :-
When I were a Ja= te we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the = plate in the good old days.
 
That was my very first transm= itter.....And don't forget...."Tuning high to low for a reply".
 That takes me back  :-)
 
73,
 
Gary - G4WGT.<= BR>
 
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100
F= rom: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: = LF: A/G FREQS

Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 4= 32.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. After all= its just the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in a no= nlinear device like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays= I guess you would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same = effect and using considerably less power over all. Class E an all.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graha= m <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
T= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 17:09
Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS
<= BR>
Steady on Mal !   this  is getting  technical = ; !"
 
Your  right  , FM has a  cut off  point  , wh= ere  demodulation fails  and  also  a  capture&nbs= p; effect , where the  stronger of  2 signals  will  ac= quire  and  hold the  demodulator ..always   fun&n= bsp; on 2  mtrs   when a  mobile  suddenly  t= akes  the  channel
 
Am  has no  cut off  point , but  gradual  de= gradation  until the  recovered  audio  is no  lon= ger usable  ......eg,  mcw  would  readable  much&= nbsp; lower  than  AM speech
 
I think  much over  250/300 MHz   its  actual= ly  not  possible to  produce  AM  , could be = ; wrong  , but  there is a  limit  , may   be=   by  high  level  modulation falls over , dont  s= ee  why  could  not  be  via  transverting&nb= sp; .......
 
G..
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: A/G FREQS

As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex = ;working.  I have also noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more= potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandw= idth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then selec= t the one of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on = CW.  On FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a b= lack hole, in other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the exact&nb= sp;bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation value)
g3kev
 




---796194823-913339264-1340745569=:6806-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9E083380000B9; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaDi9-0008Hs-Kj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:19:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaDi8-0008Hj-QO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:19:16 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaDhx-0006ID-Qh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:19:15 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779611341E6; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:18:57 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 269qeEws17264M02; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:18:52 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.4] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID269qeEws15587X02; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:18:52 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.4 IN dibene@usa.net imap04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID269qeEws15587X02 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.16.237] by imap04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 529qeEwsz4416M24; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:18:52 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.16.237 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FC7EE49.4050108@usa.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:18:49 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120531-1, 05/31/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID529qeEws14416X24 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 5/31/2012 11:54 PM, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > Oh dear. I can't stop laughing! > > What a perfect day/evening: > > -Exchanged more than 50 mails on the reflector > -Learned about the Current mode class D PA > -Calling CQ on 137.7 (!) > -Building a Class D PA for the coming MF band and got very good > efficiency at once. > -Perfect entertainment > -Learned about the Hungarian Translation Book > -Supported by a bit of Laphroaig Whiskey [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 75bd9e83b9a4dd6aff3296cebc5bb885 Subject: LF: Ae!...and this day Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010907070103030807010407" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445259232:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fc7eeb260e1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010907070103030807010407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/31/2012 11:54 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Oh dear. I can't stop laughing! > > What a perfect day/evening: > > -Exchanged more than 50 mails on the reflector > -Learned about the Current mode class D PA > -Calling CQ on 137.7 (!) > -Building a Class D PA for the coming MF band and got very good=20 > efficiency at once. > -Perfect entertainment > -Learned about the Hungarian Translation Book > -Supported by a bit of Laphroaig Whiskey Indeed.... the only pity is that all those gems of English humor landed on the Blacksheep reflector, and not on the new Yahoo group.... no trace whatsoever of them will remain in the history, for our sons to read and l= augh... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------010907070103030807010407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/31/2012 11:54 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: 
Oh dear. I can't stop laughing!

What a perfect day/evening:

-Exchanged more than 50 mails on the reflector
-Learned about the Current mode class D PA
-Calling CQ on 137.7 (!)
-Building a Class D PA for the coming MF band and got very good=20
efficiency at once.
-Perfect entertainment
-Learned about the Hungarian Translation Book
-Supported by a bit of Laphroaig Whiskey

Indeed....=A0 the only pity is that all those gems of English humor landed
on the Blacksheep reflector, and not on the new Yahoo group....=A0 no trace
whatsoever of them will remain in the history, for our sons to read and laugh... :-)

73=A0 Alberto=A0 I2PHD

 --------------010907070103030807010407-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 590E1380000A1; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si7jP-00073f-8P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:33:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si7jO-00073W-Rp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:33:14 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si7jJ-0008TD-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:33:13 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p4FD17106.dip.t-dialin.net [79.209.113.6]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lm8VZ-1S945t1wEz-00ZKnS; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:33:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE4AC54.3090901@legal-medicine.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:33:08 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:og37EsEfiMDHsjpzWlE7j58sJc+oWot9KIPUK9GBnsV oI0ZmI68yd6kt7k0d3/7UtUbLX59TFLuD/eek2A40nf2iXsQEc 4JOYf/IZr6VVC0DUOemPylOiIah1bruGw/sXxPfBHwOL2OPbxm ux9NhY0OuxSb9ywH8fx55kWfUVJ9UjQCBTs0J7yBHGpGp821rC f5MabBdN7hKcJsOz8C+Wpsr8UC8ok02le2DduwReyLCzDFJp1u VhKzJA0kJ/6aWgxxvRvr4idYKbBvqyVIoWSTE8VTHuXkytTewi 2Q7HI+s3oFjzC+SRGPykqY8uRnU39kbNFK6pKtnyULA1c+EUYq 8j+z4fp5H+utHOIrTx+w= X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Roger, You wrote: > Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent > poll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to > Yahoo, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either > place or both. > ... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: LF: Blacksheep and Yahoo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:433689920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4fe4aca20e0b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Roger, You wrote: > Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent > poll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to > Yahoo, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either > place or both. > ... 1. After those boring incident at the VLF Group at Yahoo! (look for "Schumann Resonance and Venus Transit" there) I propose using Yahoo! for day-to-day postings and Blacksheep for in-depth discussions. 2. If you cannot live without those Yahoo! stuff use an incognito without any call sign or full name. Keep in mind that all postings there are fully open to the world including all kinds of search engines, data mining engines, etc. Ignoring that is naive. Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D4A91380000A9; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd7Jj-0002bn-Ux for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:06:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd7Jj-0002be-JK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:06:03 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd7Ji-0001NS-1B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:06:02 +0100 Received: from [10.0.0.175] (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q58M5tP5091416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 00:06:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4FD27743.8080003@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:05:55 +0200 From: Albert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: My thanks to, IK1WVQ, G0KTN, G8HUH, G3XIZ, PA7EY and PA3ABK for receiving my OPERA signals. 73, Albert PA0A [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.27 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 73624bb08a20c2e0895fd0d9fb8136a4 Subject: LF: Opera 500 kHz to nite Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:209223856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fd277833fae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none My thanks to, IK1WVQ, G0KTN, G8HUH, G3XIZ, PA7EY and PA3ABK for receiving my OPERA signals. 73, Albert PA0A From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 58DB63800008D; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 18:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkjxN-0004X9-Na for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:46:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkjxN-0004Wy-6z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:46:29 +0100 Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkjxL-0001GA-GD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:46:28 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.52] by nm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2012 22:46:26 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.125] by tm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2012 22:46:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2012 22:46:26 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 727049.50379.bm@omp1034.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 46298 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jun 2012 22:46:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1341009986; bh=ZtD4f6Y4Kj1AwfLqyhHfmQQurGA+4spakad5w1Wxw1E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TSo4xTQFMaeB9P7lcOpDwG2+MSONtvYJyOqsdyef9r6MzSn2uTwL9oBn9OVTsPs29DB8/jnHhQB28SUZ4DM2adxdRS9oTYQzmhx8CdzXNvado4+8iHlCxe6dnIQ0H5phyyqUu8eUOtjJ7ViO4CjIad7nnEiz7Ly6MOMF1D41zqA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=l+8Ba0cWawl6YsqMaW05CvhCbJ5rHtMyCxFQa5xaUTMOfyCiBNBoJycY6I/Nm8HXnadlnnG+a62ZqkXpzCBFcwt9WO8rKHyD2goIVApvZvIUrNUqur+r6qceypVas5CtuMtYjAbwJNvliS3Wnh9QsQEormBqsP/8QKBUdyfGJjU=; X-YMail-OSG: Bi_zagcVM1lmmkHhg_UZ.pge70B2sLLQtLgE96j2oS0wk41 UKo_aRAeQ7tumkMWUeEOV60yasMI2LKbiswyD43E4joX.l175zYwtJRSVFp1 zbhIX.5QUW.WELdLhmxGuA6.W.uwGFmjIHmtcs2YDHvh_jZdOZNQ.3f3EIcd LlTni18PzzDB_TR9Jg7TIEMMK6dtzxeoxSKS05dCT2nZ5YUHs.DNY13IG7c9 bf2OAlmDKQI9azSSl.yS0v7uF6f8jXmWytoKmdU0ksNlwVIwz0NqnF_9_ahR V78V1VWY1pOsrrMPQqjQAOZdP5a0PH4APazcV4BimxEPltvRkJOelrzFmECD j1SLybF2xEdK2Xr8jJSYZbU14muzP72F9WBYxU9gDnGG.Pf_4uarLdJNRpKg MlnXkBKmY35vXE8fiAVS9vzFie9XkyzvUi0xfM5YENqVqPVIiAbri6LY- Received: from [86.163.214.230] by web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:46:26 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1341006419.32377.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <8B20B0CCF1D84DCE94DABD9F36F1F745@AGB> Message-ID: <1341009986.46008.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:46:26 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <8B20B0CCF1D84DCE94DABD9F36F1F745@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx Graham bed now 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > From: Graham >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 23:08 >Subject: Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG > > > >On frequency now ........ this dual sector band is a pain in the do-nut ..... same happed to wspr when the usa split ,,, can monitor X2 , but need the second rx > >G.. > >22:05 500 M0FMT Op4 -26 dB >40 ft end fed vert , no tuner , skanti r5003 wide band > > >From: M0FMT >Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:46 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG > > >Hi All > >Opera now 500 RX QRG! > >Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!! >73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.66 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: Re: LF: Now OFF ,,, Opera now 500 RX QRG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-1962311920-1341009986=:46008" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:359312320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m252.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4fee306d53db X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-1962311920-1341009986=:46008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0ATnx Graham bed now =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>___________= _____________________=0A> From: Graham =0A>To: rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 23:08=0A>Subject:= Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>On=A0 frequency=A0 now=A0 .= .......=A0 this=A0=A0 =0Adual=A0=A0 sector=A0 band=A0 is=A0 a pain=A0 in th= e=A0 =0Ado-nut=A0 .....=A0 same=A0 happed=A0 to=A0 wspr=A0 when=A0 =0Athe= =A0 usa=A0 split=A0 ,,,=A0 can=A0 monitor=A0 X2=A0 , =0Abut=A0 need=A0 the= =A0 second=A0 rx=A0 =0A>=0A>G.. =0A>=0A>22:05 500 M0FMT Op4 -26 dB =0A>40= =A0 ft=A0 end=A0 fed=A0 vert , no=A0 tuner , skanti =0Ar5003=A0 wide band = =0A>=0A> =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:46 PM =0A>To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Subject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG =0A>=0A= > =0A>Hi All =0A>=A0 =0A>Opera now 500 RX QRG! =0A>=A0 =0A>Bread board sing= le ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS =0Ahope most of the 3= 0watts going up the ant!!! =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =0A>=0A> ---176341844-1962311920-1341009986=:46008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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---176341844-1962311920-1341009986=:46008-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2AB8A38000094; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skzoj-00075M-G8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:42:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skzoj-00075D-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:42:37 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skzoh-0006NG-G3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:42:35 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoEFAPUd709cHntL/2dsb2JhbABFoF4DjQuIaYEIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMEAQwEAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd+u0qLO4J+gxwDiBeFN5dpgl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,503,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="543592879" Received: from host-92-30-123-75.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.123.75]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 16:42:34 +0100 Message-ID: <009101cd56d6$f6383040$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008501cd56d5$f5c084b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:42:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Calling you on 502 Khz. Have u gone QRT ?? G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:35 PM Subject: LF: test 476.5 Stn tst on 476.5 599 qsx 502 de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: d7907c3bf895ca41e0bedc3fa074f0d4 Subject: LF: Re: test 476.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008E_01CD56D6.F5FA3CE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:476922656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594fef1e9b4899 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01CD56D6.F5FA3CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Calling you on 502 Khz. Have u gone QRT ?? G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:35 PM Subject: LF: test 476.5 Stn tst on 476.5 599=20 qsx 502=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01CD56D6.F5FA3CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Calling you on 502 Khz. Have u gone QRT = ??
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 3:35=20 PM
Subject: LF: test 476.5

Stn tst on 476.5 599
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------=_NextPart_000_008E_01CD56D6.F5FA3CE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7948738000081; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scbq5-0001eh-CA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:29:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scbq4-0001eY-Qj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:29:20 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scbq2-0001ak-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:29:19 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57CTHHn030582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:29:17 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57CTHbT029538 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:29:17 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD09E40.2050308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:27:44 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> <4FD0999E.3080206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1608727203.579919.1339071424127.JavaMail.www@wwinf8307> In-Reply-To: <1608727203.579919.1339071424127.JavaMail.www@wwinf8307> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Ben, I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small PA and a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and so i will not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within the band, hopefully. That makes things easier. On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, maybe even no computer. However Speclab would be fine to get an overview of the band activity and offers nice filter and noise reduction tools... I'm really excited how the band will be populated. It's not so far away from 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole for 80m, configured as a T antenna will work reasonable if a suitable earth is available. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b2000330e4064ca60a9f57e731b892da Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070301070602000008090704" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448595840:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154fd09edb044f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070301070602000008090704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q57CTHHn030582 Hi Ben, I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small PA and=20 a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and so=20 i will not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within the band,=20 hopefully. That makes things easier. On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, maybe=20 even no computer. However Speclab would be fine to get an overview of=20 the band activity and offers nice filter and noise reduction tools... I'm really excited how the band will be populated. It's not so far away=20 from 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole for=20 80m, configured as a T antenna will work reasonable if a suitable earth=20 is available. But what's the problem in France? You have so much space for large=20 antennas, don't you? Or do you live in Paris City? :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 07.06.2012 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP. > > My "reasonable" setup indicates me that / triple/ that value could be=20 > necessary... > > CU there > > Ben > > > > Message du 07/06/12 14:12 > > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer" > > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Copie =C3=A0 : > > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > > > I only heared some rumours about the permission starting > January, 1st, > > 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is given > out on the > > Ham Radio 2012 > (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php) > > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more realistic. > > > > Time to build a suitable loading coil for MF. I will need about > 240 uH > > only... > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > > > Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) > > > granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ? > > > > > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from > our > > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > Ben > > > >=20 > --------------070301070602000008090704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q57CTHHn030582 Hi Ben,

I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small PA and a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and so i will not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within the band, hopefully. That makes things easier.
On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, maybe even no computer. However Speclab would be fine to get an overview of the band activity and offers nice filter and noise reduction tools...
I'm really excited how the band will be populated. It's not so far away from 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole for 80m, configured as a T antenna will work reasonable if a suitable earth is available.

But what's the problem in France? You have so much space for large antennas, don't you? Or do you live in Paris City? :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 07.06.2012 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:
Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP.

My "reasonable" setup indicates me that =C2=A0triple that value could be necessary...

CU there

Ben


> Message du 07/06/12 14:12
> De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"
> A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Copie =C3=A0 :
> Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
>
> I only heared some rumours about the permission starting January, 1st,
> 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is given out on the
> Ham Radio 2012 (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en= /index.php)
> , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more realistic.
>
> Time to build a suitable loading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH
> only...
>
> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
> Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:
> > Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) > > granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ?
> >
> > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our
> > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Ben
>
>
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majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh30H-00056c-0E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:18:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh30G-00056T-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:18:12 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh30E-0005Wu-SY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:18:11 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.187]) by mwinf5d69 with ME id QJJ81j01W42DYwa03JJ9Wr; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:18:10 +0200 Message-ID: <99064C4276EE4C1EB2411FE07243A483@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:18:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: 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(VPS 120619-0, 19/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Clutching at straws more like with all the dx Mal keeps reporting ! G.. From: Stefan Schäfer Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:34 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b1e5ebccbad86c8ca1fd46d24f0285de Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01CD4E50.420841C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:432047808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4fe0c29a0965 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01CD4E50.420841C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clutching at straws more like with all the dx Mal keeps reporting = ! G..=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:34 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw??? 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01CD4E50.420841C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Clutching  at  straws  more like with all  = the =20 dx  Mal keeps  reporting  !
 
G..

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034

Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of=20 straw???

73, Stefan

Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal = hamilton:=20
Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST
 
g3kev
------=_NextPart_000_007B_01CD4E50.420841C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4D08D380000B3; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SasqZ-0000WV-BK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:14:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SasqY-0000WM-NB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:14:42 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SasqW-0006h8-Bt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:14:41 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d08 with ME id HWEd1j0090Lx2rm03WEdk0; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:14:39 +0200 Message-ID: <98E876DA3EFE457AAAE4A0AFA8604E46@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA3B44.2020703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCA3B44.2020703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:14:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham states... ! As there is no locking to 'actual / time' delays may be introduced in the tx keying chain, But the delay must be symmetrical and not change the pulse width , whilst being of a constant value , to ensure the integrity of the timing of the pulse train , pulse jitter will degrade the s/n performance. % wise the longer time modes , the larger the % error possible , A figure of 0.2% for clock timing was suggested at the start of the project . [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 719233b489c0727505743c30ad56ff81 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E7_01CD40F3.EFEADE70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479030048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fca584c77a3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01CD40F3.EFEADE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham states... ! As there is no locking to 'actual / time' delays may be = introduced in the tx keying chain, But the delay must be symmetrical and not change the pulse width = , whilst being of a constant value , to ensure the integrity of = the timing of the pulse train , pulse jitter will degrade the s/n = performance. % wise the longer time modes , the larger the % error = possible , A figure of 0.2% for clock timing was suggested at the = start of the project . G.. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:11 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi Pete,=20 Maybe its worth to spend a common mode choke or an optocoupler between = PA and PC? You may try just to key the TX with the PC via an = optocoupler. Should be no problem with Opera, as Graham states... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 02.06.2012 14:33, schrieb M0FMT:=20 Thanks Paul Graham is right about QRG. My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer = (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial could be 503.275 ? +/- a bit ! G. From: Clemens Paul=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting What is the actual tx qrg then? Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: = 01.06.2012=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01CD40F3.EFEADE70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham states... !
 
As  there  is  no  locking  to  = 'actual /=20 time'    delays  may  be introduced in = the =20 tx  keying  chain,
 
But the  delay  must be  symmetrical  and  = not  change the  pulse width , whilst being  of  = a =20 constant  value , to  ensure the  integrity of the =20 timing  of the   pulse train , pulse jitter =20 will  degrade the  s/n  performance. % wise = the =20 longer  time modes  , the  larger the  % error = possible=20 ,  A figure of  0.2%  for  clock timing  = was =20 suggested at the  start of the  project .
 
G..


From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:11 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Hi Pete,

Maybe its worth to spend a common mode = choke or=20 an optocoupler between PA and PC? You may try just to key the TX with = the PC via=20 an optocoupler. Should be no problem with Opera, as Graham = states...

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 02.06.2012 14:33, schrieb M0FMT:=20
Thanks Paul
 
Graham is right about QRG.
 
My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB = PIC keyer=20 (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer = looking.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:12
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

could be   503.275  ?   +/-   = a=20 bit  !
 
G.

Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible = at=20 all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20 Sent:=20 Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject:=20 LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB = RX dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Claudio, Mike, all, In my tests i have connected 18 kOhm to the output, but no C. I tried with a 220pF (was by hand) C but there was no change. Mike's idea with the pot is good, of course. On the output i measure with a high Z probe for the scope. But i don't know the internal impedance of the signal generator. I put the 18 kOhm in series to the signal generator but maybe i should simply play arround with it, also with the Cs. 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I tried=20 with a 220pF (was by hand) C but there was no change. Mike's idea with the pot is good, of course. On the output i measure with a high Z probe for the scope. But i don't=20 know the internal impedance of the signal generator. I put the 18 kOhm=20 in series to the signal generator but maybe i should simply play arround=20 with it, also with the Cs. On the left side stands 300 pF, on the right side 294 pF. So this is the=20 load capacity that must be applied from external components? These parts must be 50 years old or so. I find 3.95 Euro extremely cheap Thanks for the advice. The first time i work with such a filter... It=20 should be fine for other applications as well, as a IF filter... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 29.06.2012 22:59, schrieb Claudio Girardi: > Stefan, > if I understood correctly, the datasheet says that the impedance is 18=20 > kohm if you use the red and green wires and 500 ohm if you use the=20 > yellow and green ones; so you should load both sides with 18 kohm in=20 > your case, or change taps. > Then you should also load the filter with the exact capacitance values=20 > printed on its ends, connected between the red and green wires. > > Regards, > Claudio > > On 06/29/2012 10:26 PM, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: >> >> The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and gre= en >> wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and >> green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and r= ed >> wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. >> Helpful was this image from the web >> http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which >> shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the >> output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as >> stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. >> >> Any ideas or suggestions? >> >> Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B274380000A0; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShRRw-0004S4-I9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:24:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShRRv-0004Rv-Ej for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:24:23 +0100 Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.97]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShRRt-0006AZ-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:24:22 +0100 Received: from mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.1]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5KKO77o000799 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:24:07 -0400 Received: from White (nrbg-4dbfa27a.pool.mediaWays.net [77.191.162.122]) by mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id C56EEE0000DF for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CF1CEB6E3DA560-2320-13390@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> <4FE208A9.1050403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:24:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340223847; bh=CNIGO+3a90N8loRlI/MyF0s3NjqWf9ooS7uz+QtzRRw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nyebvpxjIXTJJRp7QDUzp1gvyausgVnOeS5ZoZVRDKhIHMQS07cqxwCuD+2oPe3p9 3GPiESW/cbwTmpi+vfrOyhQElkqV21Pd86/Rctcfvgqrpb/jte3HlNE1BPFjXSgSmh QF9JG6iEjS/1wTOVCzQEF0Xshkk5pn+NueLnyOHk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:424734176:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, as you have an image reject filter in the RF path there will of course be no need for stereo processing. But here I need I/Q as my FiFi-SDR equally receives from both sides of the LO. This is actually convenient because it lets me view the two bands (472 and 501 kHz) simultaneously. Without software correction, image rejection is about 46 dB with my netbook, but of course this can vary from device to device. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.91.97 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 54f9a9b24d9d5f31a632377c3b90b222 Subject: Re: LF: ... SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD4F33.65CEA3E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:467337696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d269.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fe231b52aa4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD4F33.65CEA3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan,=20 as you have an image reject filter in the RF path there will of course = be no need for stereo processing. But here I need I/Q as my FiFi-SDR = equally receives from both sides of the LO. This is actually convenient = because it lets me view the two bands (472 and 501 kHz) simultaneously. = Without software correction, image rejection is about 46 dB with my = netbook, but of course this can vary from device to device.=20 Sorry no idea whether it's possible to read the mouse wheel from = SpecLab. Best 73,=20 Markus (DF6NM) From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:30 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: ... SDR programs Hello Markus,=20 Oh, that looks nice, thanks for the info. I already thought that i = probably still have much to learn about SpecLab.=20 Well, i don't use an IQ input here, that's why SDRadio is not my choice = anyway ( i thought it can be configured for an mono input). Now i'm running the "SAQrcvr1.usr". Looks promising BUT: How do i have = to program (interpreter commands) SpecLab so that i can move the filter = over the band with the scroll wheel of the mouse? Maybe interesting for = others as well, so i'm asking here... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 20.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Hi Stefan, as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, you can = define a marker which lets you pull the FFT filter frequency with the = mouse.=20 In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the FFT filter used to crash = with complex I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the recent b08. = Thanks Wolf, works like a charm ;-) Best 73, Markus ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD4F33.65CEA3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,
 
as you have an image reject = filter in the=20 RF path there will of course be no need for stereo = processing. But=20 here I need I/Q as my FiFi-SDR equally receives from both sides of the = LO. This=20 is actually convenient because it lets me view the two = bands (472=20 and 501 kHz) simultaneously. Without software correction, image = rejection=20 is about 46 dB with my netbook, but of course this can vary from device = to=20 device. 
 
Sorry no idea whether it's = possible to read=20 the mouse wheel from SpecLab.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 

From: Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:30 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: ... SDR programs
Hi all
=
 
You must make sure the stick has a= n RTL2832 chip set!
HDSDR is a windows application. = The BorIP app is in a windows version (and this also gives remote oper= ation facility) and the DLL will also run under windows. I have it working = on several PCs two on Vista and one on Win 7.
 
The set up is not perfect in that the software can = loose track of the stick LO if too large frequency jumps are undertaken and= restarts of the application are required. However normal use say within th= e 20 to 30meg range when used as a HF IF it is not an issue. I have not exp= lored the full envelope but on 2m and 70cms I get the local repeaters&= nbsp;OK its great for airband RX. I think may be for 1296 it may need a Gasfet front end (this works from my experience) or very good beam.=
 
For first hand inform= ation Google or in my case Yahooooo Balit Seeber (he is a VK Op)&= nbsp;an OZ. He has written all the software and up set the OZ establis= hment by logging all the radio emitters in OZ electronically some= thing the their government can't do........ a bit of a wiz!! and very helpf= ul
 
 
http://wiki.spench.net/wiki/RTL2832=
 
 
For info. This arrangement works well. The rate of processing data is low 8b/s which is inferior t= o say a softrock and sound card. But to have the HF spectrum as a continuous ribbon of tuning is a buzz. My HF converter seems to require no= front end amplification in fact on 40m at night it can overload. An attenu= ator may be considered. The application does have a gain control and should= be set carefully about mid range for starters. For LF an amp probably coul= d be considered. The up converter is open to experiment to cover what ever = is your interests.
 
Thi= s is a very cheap solution that works and is within any Radio Amateurs abil= ity to make up even if just to cover VHF.
The cost i= s peanuts...... oh and the HDSDR has offsets in dial calibration for just t= his set up so by using known BC stns the dial can be set very accurately ma= king the set up a useful instrument for tracking down harmonics and sprogs.=
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
= Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2= 012, 0:24
Subject: Re:= LF: SDR programs

=0A=0A =0A =0A
 
Geri,
 
All of these decodes are  above the  -28 dB =20 minimum   for ros-mf-2   data  mode ........... = should  be  able to  make a   2  way  = qso ,=20 If  I  can  get the  same  level  at  = your  end  !
 
Thinking  later , may  be  using  the  = same =20 dial-set  qrg  for  the  Ros MF mode  , would = be =20 a  better  idea  , than  setting  to  = the =20 top of the  band , as the  Opera  qso  mode =20 is   1400/1600 Hz   and  would  not=20 interfere   with  the  beacon  decodes , MF = mode=20 is  based  on 1500 Hz  both  packages  = could =20 be  run at the  same  time , monitoring  477 =  
 
The  ROS MF modes  2+7 baud are  also  linked = to=20 the  psk-reporting  system  and  have =20 beacon   facility ,  for  MF-2 ,  De = G0NBD =20 is  all  the  text  that  is  needed , = the =20 software  detects  the  'De'  and  reads = the =20 call  after  it  and  will  announce the =20 decode  via  the  web .......an  automated = beacon =20 reply  is also  available  , where  the  = station=20 will  auto  reply  to a call  .........as in = Opera  ,=20 no  web-time  locking  is  required .
 
73 -G..
 
 
00:36    500 DK8KW Op4 -23 = dB
00:27    500=20 DK8KW Op4 -23 dB
00:14    500 DK8KW Op4 -26=20 dB
00:06    500 DK8KW Op4 -23 dB
 
00:44    500 DK8KW Op4 -20 = dB
00:36    500=20 DK8KW Op4 -23 dB
00:27    500 DK8KW Op4 -23=20 dB
00:14    500 DK8KW Op4 -26 = dB
00:06   =20 500 DK8KW Op4 -23 dB
 

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

Graham,
 
I will look into ROS, I have a SSB = exciter=20 that works down to 100 kHz which should be able to do the=20 trick.
 
 
Thanks, 73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 9:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera = decode=20 from 477 via Delft sdr

DF2JP
 
First  station  to  decode  off  air , = at =20 -22 dB   that is  strong enough  to  use = the =20 ROS-MF-2  data  mode  for  a qso !   ,=20 Opera  qso mode  needs  -20 dB min signal  = level  ,=20
 
(ROS MF needs  Audio + ssb  or  SDR   = tx  ,=20 but  is  MFSK  so  no need  for  a  = linear=20 PA )
 

18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella,

18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com
Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

*********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20

 

16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Again Graham The FL2000b has 2 x 572B triodes in parallel grounded grid. These are directly heated tubes and have carbon anodes. 1/ they give a good light display and 2/ you can tune up by observing the "blush" on the anodes (if you wanted to). I have had it years hardly use it got after the original owner had had it retubed and serviced. Makes a bit of difference on 80m when the going gets difficult. 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These are directly heated tubes and have carbon anodes. 1/ they give = a good light display and 2/ you can tune up by observing the "blush" on the= anodes (if you wanted to). I have had it years hardly use it got after the= original owner had had it retubed and serviced. Makes a bit of difference = on 80m when the going gets difficult.=0A=0AAs with your hipower thyratron a= ll you need is a good multi Kw PSU.=A0 Oh and some x-ray protection?=0A=0AI= spent a bit of time in the MoD back in the 90s=A0and one radar I used to v= isit was on Scotland's east coast it was very old but nothing to replace it= . The whole transmitter cabin rotated with the antenna. God knows what the = power O/P was. The power pickup was via a pair of circular channels of merc= ury and the bottles in the cabin where a sight to see probably kicked out a= s much x-ray as they did microwave.=0AWe were running a mobile radar fairly= modern still thermionic had=A0a massive single Klystron 1MW pulse! On site= was a new solid state phased array unit there to replace the old rotary ca= bin Joby but wasn't having a happy time. A major complaint was the ops coul= dn't turn the rx gain up to see the sparkles to be confident it was working= ..... hee! The new systems have a lot of software processing before the dis= play reaches the scopie. Hasen to add I am not a radar expert in any way. W= hen you work for that outfit you get thrown into jobs you know nothing abou= t. I was mainly on comms infrastructure and didn't know much about that eit= her.... ;-0.=0A=0AOh and yes used 4cx250s and 4cx150=A0in 2m and 70cms PAs = the one for 70 took off and recked my transverter. They were designs out of= the old RSGB VHF handbook when I were a Jaite!=0A=0AI am not going back to= Hi power Tube rigs again its not necessary when hi power FETs are so cheap= .=0A=0AAny way this all a bit off topic. Its bit like the last day at schoo= l before the summer break on this reflector doing what you like before it g= ets turned off.... hee! And not much to do with Class d/e or any other lett= er of the alphabet.. What I have to sort out is my RX for MF/LF it is not g= ood, need some ideas?=0A=0A=A073 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A__________= ______________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 1:55=0ASubject: R= e: LF: RE: Class E etc=0A =0A=0AOk Pete .. blow up ? !!......Depends on th= e=A0 tubes=A0 : ))=A0 http://home.comcast.net/~n6jv/data/6C21.pdf =0A=0AThi= s=A0 is what=A0 you need=A0 (with a=A0 bit of re-work)=A0 =0A.....=A0 =0Ah= ttp://www.radartutorial.eu/08.transmitters/tx06.en.html =0AVK or Bust=A0 !!= =0A=0AFL2000=A0=A0 , with=A0 2=A0 x 813=A0 ?=A0 nice=A0 =0Aamp,=A0=A0 my= =A0 skanti=A0 trp5000=A0=A0 has=A0=A0=A0 =0A2 x=A0=A0=A0 4cx250-b=A0=A0 in = the=A0 PA=A0 runs well=A0 =0A1.8/30 Mhz=A0 ,=A0=A0 I=A0 use=A0=A0 2=A0=A0 = =0Acombined=A0 skanti 250 watt solid state 50v=A0 =A0linear amps=A0 =0Awith= the=A0 ma1723 for=A0 LF>Hf=A0 , wide=A0 band=A0 , =0A=A0just change the=A0= ATU=A0 hi .....=A0=A0 could=A0 do=A0 =0Awith a=A0 simple=A0 class e/d for= =A0 500=A0 as=A0 the=A0 =0Aab1=A0 amps=A0 are a little=A0 power hungry .. = =0A=0AG.. =0A=0A=0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:59= PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: RE: Class E et= c =0A =0AHi Stefan and Graham =0A=A0 =0AThanks for the comments. None of my= MF/LF tx.s run more that =0A160watts although by seriesing a couple of PSU= s one with a floating ground I can run =0Aabout 280Watts o/p from the TX. I= don't like seriesing the PSUs so =0Aonly do it during experimenting not on= the air. Need to build a new=A0high =0Avoltage PSU 100V at a good current = =0Arating.=A0The rigs are FET PA IRF840 etc=A0mostly xtal controlled or xta= l mixer type master oscillator (but do have DDS), into a FET driver chip. A= nd set them as described =0Aearlier. =0A=A0 =0AI have played with High powe= r Audio amps on 136kc/s transforming the =0ALow impedance to 50 ohms+/- usi= ng Ferrite cored transformer to drive the antenna =0Atuner. Front end curre= ntly popped!! =0AUsing it for QRSS overnight.Will get it =0Aback on soon. = =0A=A0 =0AMy interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side issue and am not advoca= ting =0Athem for serious modern MF/LF work. =0AHowever there is no reason w= hy not. =0A=A0 =0AI have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 abou= t 4/5 watts out Choke modulated AM =0Aand CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on = AM =0Aon 3.615megs. The second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO con= trolled but now is again xtal mixer vxo. They use 6CL6 video tubes in the P= A. The 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure out =0Awhy, it sh= ould be about 5watts. How=A0ever on my new found Opera4 =0Ahave=A0been repo= rted in PA0 land (on the limit). =0AI have built and still got one or two= =A0807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by= an unknown amateur in the =0A1950s and a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 =0Ar= ig on the stocks.... but probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This= to =0Ashow my thermionic credentials.... hee! =0A=A0 =0AFor shear interest= I would like to try and make a high efficiency =0ATUBE PA but probably won= 't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX design =0Alooks interestin= g but probably very dodgy to set up, stability and all. Graham =0Ayour arc = tubes is all very well but what I have read is that they have a =0Atendency= to blow up...... and so do FETs ok so no change there then. =0A=A0 =0AMy c= urrent limitation to power Stefan is lack of a single stable PSU with a cou= ple of KW output. The =0Aantenna is now reduce to 35ft up and 128ft top. = =0A=A0 =0AI don't have a good RX for MF/LF what I have are deaf by others s= tandards and this is my =0Amain area of interest at the moment. I have used= a TS50 and a TS690s full =0Afilters=A0plus a couple of direct conversion H= B=A0RX=A0with active filers and notch. =0AFront ends have gone from dual ga= te mosfet to straight into the mixer but S/N is still poor evidenced by WSP= R and Opera reports I give to other station who are being received much bet= ter elsewhere. If any =0Aone can help me with that then it would make life = here on MF/LF=A0a lot better. =0A=A0 =0AKeep the bands =0Aopen and may get= to work you Stefan now you have 472/9....... why the delay in the UK???? = =0A=A0 =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A______________________________= __=0AFrom: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0ATo: r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012, =0A22:05=0ASu= bject: Re: LF: RE: =0AClass E etc=0A=0A=0AHi Pete, LF, =0A=0AOn 137 kHz or = 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% =0Aefficiency with a class E PA. BTW= a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if =0Ayour antenna provides stable= resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit to obtain t= he best efficiency (not the highes output power), a well designed class E = =0APA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW RF =0A(CW, key down!) is possible= with a single IRFP MOSFET. =0AI =0Ahardly expect that you will get such an= efficiency with a tube amp but i can =0Aunderstand the fascination of a gl= owing tube in a dark shack, although i'm not from the tube generation ;-) T= he first =0Apower amplifier i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i wa= s 12 year old or =0Aso :-)=0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A=0A=0AAm 13.06.2012 16:5= 1, schrieb M0FMT: =0AWell shoot me down with my britches on fire! =0A>=A0 = =0A>Mal =0A>I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube a= mplifiers By RCA. =0A>I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but nev= er gave them any time because I thought they used special valves to achiev= e the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in t= he anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of th= e anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you get a v= ery fast rising pulse type=A0wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned c= ircuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas= .org/articles/bta5t/ =0A>=A0 =0A>I think the point about this is that it w= orks OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. = And probably will work OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations where = we may get away with one set up. =0A>=A0 =0A>Now to see if it is scalable = to lower power video tubes. =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>From= : mal hamilton =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A>Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48=0A>Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E et= c=0A>=0A>=0A>Pete es Co =0A>The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you ca= n get to class D or E and well designed would=A0produce 70% efficiency. = =0A>The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it = is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage genera= ted is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% efficie= ncy if you are lucky. =0A>Like some have said a tube amp is more robust an= d tolerant of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go = bang if one is not careful about matching to load. =0A>I have some Dentron= amps for the HF bands and they have been going for years. =0A>Fets are pr= obably more manageable, compact =A0and safer regarding voltages, beware of= tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high current, like an electric c= hair!! =0A>73 de mal/g3kev =0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From:= M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, June 12,= 2012 11:15 AM =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Ke= n =0A>>=A0 =0A>>I believe you can operate=A0some thermionic devices in hig= her classes than C=A0but they generally lack the frequency response of a m= odern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. The high effic= iency output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an ampli= fier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance = to fully off (which=A0means a device that will operate=A0well into the=A0= VHF)=A0the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rate= d to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what = we are talking about)=A0at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the mag= netic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-ord= er to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are= not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a= scope on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean lo= oking sine wave. Try it. =0A>>=A0 =0A>>That chart at the end of that PDF file is very= clever and is the guide=A0I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. = =0A>>=A0 =0A>>What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well bu= t if you are trying to make a practical and=A0efficient CW TX for LF then= =A0there is enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines sho= wn on the sites I have posted=A0that will get you a good TX. If you want a= doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that wil= l detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, = efficient=A0TX design well within anybodies capabilities.=A0The GW3UEP desi= gn being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no=A0RadCom=A0style unobt= ainium in the components listing. =0A>>=0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>= =0A>>From: Ken =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org =0A>>Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09=0A>>Subject: LF: RE: Class = E etc=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Pete. =0A>>About 40 years ago my integration w= as quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial inte= gration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems with wa= s 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space . =A0=A0Looking at so= me of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by defau= lt. The reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving devices un= like semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. =0A>>=A0 = =0A>>73s =0A>>=A0 =0A>>Ken =0A>>=A0 =0A>>M0KHW =0A>>=A0 =0A>> =0A>>From:own= er- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg ] On Behalf Of M0FMT=0A>>Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16=0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org=0A>>Subject: LF: Class E etc =0A>>=A0 =0A>>=A0Hi Ken =0A= >>=A0 =0A>>Ha ha Stefan, how good is=A0your Integration Ken? =0A>>=A0Here a= re a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a good du= mmy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier= is to do with=A0 A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip = (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully=A0on an= d fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate=A0on off timi= ng (mark / space). Ensuring the=A0max permitted gate voltage for the FET= =A0is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode cl= amp helps.=A0 B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance=A0in the dra= in=A0circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow it wit= h=A0a=A0low pass filter, although the output wave will be surprisingly cle= an.=A0Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily know al= l the starting=A0parameters and in any case=A0the result is=A0going to wid= e of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for= fast, very fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the dra= in circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good ef= ficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation f= rom the FET is very low at high power=A0giving cool heat-sinks! =0A>>=A0T= he GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency= =A0and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I = have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twi= ce that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting = L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape f= or max efficiency is the way to go. The article below shows you what you a= re looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C = to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak = voltage across the Dummy load.=A0I then transfer my=A0connector from the D= ummy load to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I = adjust the coupling link to give the same peak voltage=A0across the tuner = link turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across = the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match.=A0This is done by either=A0adding or reducing=A0the number of turns (about two turns) along= with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak=A0up= -lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak.=A0=A0 =0A>>=A0= =0A>>Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work w= ell. =0A>> =0A>>=A0Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers= .=A0 =0A>>=A0 =0A>>=A0 =0A>>For some bed time reading but ignor the math l= ook at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all = really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AA= CD5-poweramps.pdf =0A>>=A0 =0A>>For design ideashttp://www.classeradio.com= / =0A>>=A0 =0A>>For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp=A0tha= t =A0is a scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. =0A>>ht= tp://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ =0A>> =0A>>=A0For antennas and antenna feed meth= ods a "look no where else site" =0A>> =0A>>http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/1= 36ant/ =0A>>=A0 =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>=A0=0A>=0A> --1507048413-1119496326-1339665853=:36124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hi Again Graham
 
The FL2000b has 2 x 57= 2B triodes in parallel grounded grid. These are directly heated tubes and h= ave carbon anodes. 1/ they give a good light display and 2/ you can tune up= by observing the "blush" on the anodes (if you wanted to). I have had it y= ears hardly use it got after the original owner had had it retubed and serv= iced. Makes a bit of difference on 80m when the going gets difficult.
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As with your hipower thyratron all you need is a good= multi Kw PSU.  Oh and some x-ray protection?
 
I spent a bit of time in the MoD back in the 90s and one radar I us= ed to visit was on Scotland's east coast it = was very old but nothing to replace it. The whole transmitter cabin rotated with the antenna. God knows what the power O/P was. The power pick= up was via a pair of circular channels of mercury and the bottles in the ca= bin where a sight to see probably kicked out as much x-ray as they did micr= owave.
We were running a mobile radar fairly modern still thermio= nic had a massive single Klystron 1MW pulse! On site was a new solid s= tate phased array unit there to replace the old rotary cabin Joby but wasn't having a happy time. A major= complaint was the ops couldn't turn the rx gain up to see the sparkles to be confident it was working...= .. hee! The new systems have a lot of software processing before the displa= y reaches the scopie. Hasen to add I am not a radar expert in any way. When= you work for that outfit you get thrown into jobs you know nothing about. = I was mainly on comms infrastructure and didn't know much about that either.... ;-0.
 
Oh and yes used 4cx250s and 4cx= 150 in 2m and 70cms PAs the one for 70 took off and recked my transver= ter. They were designs out of the old RSGB VHF handbook when I were a Jaite= !
 
I am not going back to Hi power Tube rigs agai= n its not necessary when hi power FETs are so cheap.
 
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Any way this all a bit off topic. Its bit like the last day at school = before the summer break on this reflector doing what you like before it get= s turned off.... hee! And not much to do with Class d/e or any other letter= of the alphabet.. What I have to sort out is my RX for MF/LF it is not goo= d, need some ideas?
 
<= div> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Gr= aham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 1:55
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

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Ok = Pete .. blow up ? !!......Depends on the  tubes  : ))  http://home.comcast.net/~n6jv/data/6C21.pdf
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This  is what  you need  (with a=   bit of re-work)  =0A..... 
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VK or Bust  !!
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FL2000   , with  2  x 813  ?  ni= ce  =0Aamp,   my  skanti  trp5000   has&= nbsp;   =0A2 x    4cx250-b   in the = ; PA  runs well  =0A1.8/30 Mhz  ,   I  use&nb= sp;  2   =0Acombined  skanti 250 watt solid state 50v&n= bsp;  linear amps  =0Awith the  ma1723 for  LF>Hf&nb= sp; , wide  band  , =0A just change the  ATU  hi .= ....   could  do  =0Awith a  simple  class e/= d for  500  as  the  =0Aab1  amps  are a litt= le  power hungry ..
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G..
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=0A
Hi Stefan and Graham
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=0A
Thanks for the comm= ents. None of my MF/LF tx.s run more that =0A160watts although by seriesing a couple of =0APSUs one wit= h a floating ground I can run =0Aabout 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't li= ke seriesing the PSUs= so =0Aonly do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to build= a new high =0Avoltage PSU 100V at a good current =0Arating. The rigs ar= e FET P= A IRF84= 0 etc mostly xtal controlled or xtal =0Amixer type master oscillator (but do have = DDS), into a = FET driver chip. And set them as described =0Aearlier.
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=0A
I have played with High powe= r Audio amps on 136kc/s transforming the =0ALow impedance to 50 ohms+/- usi= ng Ferrite cored transformer to drive the antenna =0Atuner. Front end curre= ntly popped!! =0AUs= ing it for QR= SS overnight.Will get it =0Aback on soon.
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My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side = issue and am not advocating =0Athem for serious modern MF/LF work. =0AHowever the= re is no reason why not.
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=0AI have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts out= Choke modulated AM =0Aand CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on AM =0Aon 3.615megs. T= he second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now is again xtal mix= er vxo= . They use 6CL6 video tubes in the PA. The 500kc/s tube =0Atx only runs a watt o/= p yet to figure out =0Awhy, it should be about 5watts. How ever on my = new found Opera4 =0Ahave been reported in PA0 land (on the limit).
=0A
I have built and still got one or two 807 PAed rigs f= or 80m knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown amateur in t= he =0A1950s and a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 =0Arig on the stocks.... but proba= bly won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This to =0Ashow my thermionic cred= entials.... h= ee!
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=0A
For s= hear interest I would like to try and make a high efficiency =0ATUBE PA but= probably won't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX design =0Aloo= ks interesting but probably very dodgy to set up, stability and all. Graham= =0Ayour arc tubes is all very well but what I have read is that they have = a =0Atendency to blow up...... and so do FETs =0Aok so no change there then.=0A
 
=0A
My current limitation to p= ower Stefan is lack of a single stable =0APSU with a couple of KW output. The =0A= antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and 128ft top.
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=0A
I don't have a good RX for MF/LF what I have are= deaf by others standards and this is my =0Amain area of interest at the mo= ment. I have used a TS50 and a TS690s full =0Afilters plus a couple of= direct conversion HB RX with active filers and notch.
=0A<= div>Front ends have gone from dual gate mosfet to straight into the mixer b= ut S/N is still poor evidenced b= y WSPR= and Opera reports I give to other station who are being =0Areceived much better elsewhere. If= any =0Aone can help me with that then it would make life here on MF/LF a l= ot better.
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=0A
Keep the bands =0Aopen and = may get to work you Stefan now you have 472/9....... why the delay in the UK????
=0A
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=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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=0A
From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0A<Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni= -heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
S= ent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012, =0A22:05
Subject: Re: LF: RE: =0AClass E etc

=0A
=0A
Hi Pete, LF,

On 137 kHz = or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% =0Aefficiency with a class E PA. = BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if =0Ayour antenna provides sta= ble resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit to obtain the best e= fficiency (not the highes output power), a well designed class E =0APA is definitifely = a good choice! 1 kW RF =0A(CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET.
I = =0Ahardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but i= can =0Aunderstand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, altho= ugh i'm not from the tube generation ;-) The first =0Apower amplifier i heard of = was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or =0Aso :-)

73, S= tefan/DK7FC<= br>

Am 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT: =0A
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= Well shoot me down wi= th my =0A britches on fire!
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=0A
Mal
=0A
I have just found an article on= an enhanced Class C in Tube =0A amplifiers By RCA.
=0A
I have heard of higher efficiency =0A Valve amp= s but never gave them any time because I thought they used special =0A val= ves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned = =0A circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the thir= d =0A harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the thir= d hamonic you get a very fast rising pulse =0A type wave at the drive frequ= ency in the PA tuned circuit as with a class =0A D/E solid state amp. URL = is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/
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=0A
I think the point about this is =0A that it works OK for fixed freque= ncy TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably =0A will work OK= for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away =0A with = one set up.
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=0A
Now to see if it is scalab= le to =0A lower power video tubes.
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=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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Fro= m: mal h= amilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sen= t: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, =0A 19:48
Subject: Re: LF: RE: =0A Class E etc

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Pete es Co
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The class C tube <= span id=3D"yiv77121966misspell-65" class=3D"yiv77121966mark">amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E and well =0A designed would&n= bsp;produce 70% efficiency.
=0A
The = class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it is merely an R= F switch at =0A the frequency of interest and the voltage generated is inc= reased by a step up =0A transformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency if= you are lucky. =0A
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Like some ha= ve said a tube amp is more robust and =0A tolerant of mismatch to antenna = without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not careful about =0A mat= ching to load.
=0A
I have some Dentron amp= s for the HF bands and they have been going for =0A years.
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Fets are probably =0A more manageable, compact  = ;and safer regarding voltages, beware of tubes =0A with voltages of a few = K/volts at high current, like an electric =0A chair!!
=0A 73 de mal/g3kev
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=0A
----- Original Message -----
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From: M0FMT
=0A
To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org =0A
=0A
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 =0A AM
=0A =
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Cl= ass E etc
=0A

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<= span>Hi Ken
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=0A
I believe you = =0A can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than C&nb= sp;but =0A they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go int= o figures but just t= hink about =0A it. The high eff= iciency =0A output stage has to operate like a switch it i= s not actually an amplifier. =0A The faster it changes state from fully = on with ultra low resistance to fully =0A off (which means a device= that will operate well into =0A the VHF) the higher the = efficiency. If you have a device that is =0A barely rated to say a coupl= e of megs its not going to be much good (in terms =0A of what we are tal= king about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to =0A get the magn= etic field in the inductor to rise and <= span>collapse at a very fast =0A rate in-order to =0A generate a hig= h electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not =0A talking s= ine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope =0A o= n the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking =0A= sine wave. Try it.
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=0A=
That chart at the end of that PDF =0A file is very clever and is the g= uide I use to bring a PA into optimum =0A performance.
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=0A
What I was trying to= say is that the math is all very well but if =0A you are trying to make= a practical and efficient CW TX for LF =0A then there is enou= gh empirical data fr= om following =0A the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted&= nbsp;that will get =0A you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoret= ical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will =0A detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power,= =0A efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. T= he GW3UEP =0A design be= ing IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the components = listing.
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=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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=0A
From: Ken <ken.h.w= right@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A =
Sent: Monday, 11 Jun= e =0A 2012, 22:09
Subject: LF: =0A RE: Class E etc

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=0A
Hello !
 
http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg
 
The SAQ spectrum here in The = Netherlands -=20 Appingedam - JO33kh
 
SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blog.htm
 
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InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best Option = ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  configuration  for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
Tnx -G,
 
 
 
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X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FCB6979.16782.CAC7BE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1338728765.66649.YahooMailNeo@web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:06:05 +0100 (BST) From: Daniele Tincani To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FCB6979.16782.CAC7BE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Personally, I tend to agree with Mike. In fact, I use one single e-mail account to be "reflected" about messages from any group (several yahoo and non-yahoo groups) that I am subscribed to. I only visit the group pages when I want to search the group archives about specific topics. Best regards Daniele [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.193 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: Re: LF: Yahoo vs Blacksheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="671563967-703859175-1338728765=:66649" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:408316640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m275.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4fcb616c619a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --671563967-703859175-1338728765=:66649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Personally, I tend to agree with Mike. In fact, I use one single e-mail acc= ount to be "reflected" about messages from any group (several yahoo and non= -yahoo groups) that I am subscribed to. I only visit the group pages when I= want to search the group archives about specific topics.=0ABest regards=0A= Daniele=0A=A0=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A Da: Mike Denniso= n =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato= : Domenica 3 Giugno 2012 14:41=0AOggetto: LF: Yahoo vs Blacksheep=0A =0AI = am puzzled by those few who are against the change-over to=0AYahoo. Once yo= u have joined and set your option to "e-mail=0Aonly", you never need to vis= it the Yahoo site again and the=0Aemails from Yahoo are virtually the same = as those from this=0Areflector. How does the change affect the user?=0A=0AM= ike, G3XDV=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --671563967-703859175-1338728765=:66649 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Personally, I tend to agree with Mike. In fact, I use one single e-mail a= ccount to be "reflected" about messages from any group (several yahoo and n= on-yahoo groups) that I am subscribed to. I only visit the group pages when= I want to search the group archives about specific topics.
Best regards
Daniele
=  

Da:= Mike Dennison <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Inviato: Domenica 3 Giugno 2012 = 14:41
Oggetto: LF: Yah= oo vs Blacksheep

I am puzzled by those few who are a= gainst the change-over to
Yahoo. Once you have joined and set your optio= n to "e-mail
only", you never need to visit the Yahoo site again and the=
emails from Yahoo are virtually the same as those from this
reflecto= r. How does the change affect the user?

Mike, G3XDV
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--671563967-703859175-1338728765=:66649-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4BA1B380000AD; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuZC-00023v-Di for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:54:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuZB-00023m-Qm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:54:05 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjuZ9-0005k9-QG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:54:04 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag0FAIIr609Ok8wX/2dsb2JhbABFgkWeBZVdgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIPHQEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPsCILiVCKVGMVBoVvA4gXhTaSaIUAgl+BVw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,485,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="40024939" Received: from host-78-147-204-23.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.204.23]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2012 16:54:02 +0100 Message-ID: <005c01cd547d$0fecba30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <172D1CB5F32F43A790DBC99A73F73D59@AGB> <1340728957.15592.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:53:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: To enlighten those that do not know. Not so many moons ago 2m es 70 cms was mainly CW and AM then SSB as well and FM was used only by repeaters when it first arrived. Then for some reason the FM spread to the rest of 2m es 70 cms but there was still a segment at the bottom of each band for cw es ssb, mainly used for DX contacts. Like you say in the old days it was tuning Hight to Low or vice versa nearly everyone was xtal controlled. The Liner 2 es Liner 430 black boxes came along with vfo es cw es ssb, then simplex became the norm. 4 metres was also AM on 70.26 calling channel. For local chats FM is fine but looking further afield then AM, SSB and CW have more punch and better. The LF/MF operator will also find this info useful. g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 974e9bcd09e4f3403f97af2f38f8fb73 Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD547D.0FBCF7A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453384096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854feb2ccc3870 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD547D.0FBCF7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To enlighten those that do not know. Not so many moons ago 2m es 70 cms = was mainly CW and AM then SSB as well and FM was used only by repeaters = when it first arrived. Then for some reason the FM spread to the rest of = 2m es 70 cms but there was still a segment at the bottom of each band = for cw es ssb, mainly used for DX contacts. Like you say in the old days it was tuning Hight to Low or vice versa = nearly everyone was xtal controlled. The Liner 2 es Liner 430 black = boxes came along with vfo es cw es ssb, then simplex became the norm. 4 = metres was also AM on 70.26 calling channel.=20 For local chats FM is fine but looking further afield then AM, SSB and = CW have more punch and better. The LF/MF operator will also find this info useful. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on = 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. After all = its just the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in a = nonlinear device like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. = Nowerdays I guess you would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base = producing the same effect and using considerably less power over all. = Class E an all. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 17:09 Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Steady on Mal ! this is getting technical !" Your right , FM has a cut off point , where demodulation fails = and also a capture effect , where the stronger of 2 signals will = acquire and hold the demodulator ..always fun on 2 mtrs when a = mobile suddenly takes the channel=20 Am has no cut off point , but gradual degradation until the = recovered audio is no longer usable ......eg, mcw would readable = much lower than AM speech=20 I think much over 250/300 MHz its actually not possible to = produce AM , could be wrong , but there is a limit , may be by = high level modulation falls over , dont see why could not be = via transverting .......=20 G.. From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: A/G FREQS As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex working. I have also = noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM = transmitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be = opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then select the one = of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on CW. On = FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a black hole, in = other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the exact bandwidth of the = transmission (same deviation value) g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD547D.0FBCF7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To enlighten those that do not know. Not so many = moons ago=20 2m es 70 cms was mainly CW and AM then SSB as well and FM was used only = by=20 repeaters when it first arrived. Then for some reason the FM spread to = the rest=20 of 2m es 70 cms but there was still a segment at the bottom of each band = for cw=20 es ssb, mainly used for DX contacts.
Like you say in the old days it was tuning Hight = to Low or=20 vice versa nearly everyone was xtal controlled. The Liner 2 es Liner 430 = black=20 boxes came along with vfo es cw es ssb, then simplex became the norm. 4 = metres=20 was also AM on 70.26 calling channel.
For local chats FM is fine but looking further = afield then=20 AM, SSB and CW have more punch and better.
The LF/MF operator will also find this info=20 useful.
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 4:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: A/G = FREQS

Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 = on=20 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. = After all=20 its just the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in = a=20 nonlinear device like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. = Nowerdays=20 I guess you would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the = same=20 effect and using considerably less power over all. Class E an = all.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, 26 = June 2012,=20 17:09
Subject: Re: = LF: A/G=20 FREQS

Steady on Mal !   this  is getting  = technical =20 !"
 
Your  right  , FM has a  cut off  point  = ,=20 where  demodulation fails  and  also  a =20 capture  effect , where the  stronger of  2 = signals =20 will  acquire  and  hold the  demodulator=20 ..always   fun  on 2  mtrs   when = a =20 mobile  suddenly  takes  the  channel
 
Am  has no  cut off  point , but  = gradual =20 degradation  until the  recovered  audio  is = no =20 longer usable  ......eg,  mcw  would  = readable =20 much  lower  than  AM speech
 
I think  much over  250/300 MHz   its =20 actually  not  possible to  produce  AM  , = could=20 be  wrong  , but  there is a  limit  ,=20 may   be  by  high  level  modulation = falls over=20 , dont  see  why  could  not  be  = via =20 transverting  .......
 
G..
From: mal hamilton
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: A/G FREQS

As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and=20 simplex working.  I have also noticed a well modulated AM=20 transmitter is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max = range. On=20 AM the RX bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations=20 simultaneously then select the one of interest by closing down the=20 selectivity, the same applies on CW.  On FM if you tried this=20 the transmission would fall into a black hole, in other words = the FM=20 rx has to be tailored to the exact bandwidth of the transmission = (same=20 deviation value)
g3kev
 


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(VPS 120617-0, 17/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, the groundwave does not change, but what you have is varying amounts of skywave and daytime "fading" The wavelength is only a quarter of that at 136kHz so it only tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) reflection height to give the same sort of constrctive and destructive interference. 500kHz does not travel over land so well as the surface "roughness" is bigger wrt a wavelength ( but even rough seas are generally less "rough" than land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency and quite different to both 136 and top-band. There are times of the day when the fading can be vicious at relatively short range Also with the shorter wavelength most antenna height limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at 136kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.192 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 046f068074e745d5c60ca47deee9b503 Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479408640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m012.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4fddefd470dd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, the groundwave does not change, but what you have is varying amounts of skywave and daytime "fading" The wavelength is only a quarter of that at 136kHz so it only tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) reflection height to give the same sort of constrctive and destructive interference. 500kHz does not travel over land so well as the surface "roughness" is bigger wrt a wavelength ( but even rough seas are generally less "rough" than land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency and quite different to both 136 and top-band. There are times of the day when the fading can be vicious at relatively short range Also with the shorter wavelength most antenna height limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at 136kHz Enjoy the new "playground" :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: LF: Further MF impressions > MF, > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly > lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the band > noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in > these first days... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 78A1A380000A4; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScinT-0004WS-P9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:55:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScinT-0004WJ-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:55:07 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScinQ-000403-LH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:55:06 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57Jt1R2015980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:55:01 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57Jt06b011936 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:55:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD106B7.3070801@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:53:27 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD0DCF4.7020406@legal-medicine.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD0DCF4.7020406@legal-medicine.de> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks to all again for the reports! Peter, can you publish the downconverter to the baseband (700 Hz sidetone?) as well? A complete compact receiver that makes CW on LF and MF audible without using a PC would be ver interesting. I know some circuits of course and would know how to do but it is always nice to see ideas of others! And so far your circuits look very nice! :-) Now it's raining but i can transmit in ANY weather condition. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487262464:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fd1075d49f4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thanks to all again for the reports! Peter, can you publish the downconverter to the baseband (700 Hz sidetone?) as well? A complete compact receiver that makes CW on LF and MF audible without using a PC would be ver interesting. I know some circuits of course and would know how to do but it is always nice to see ideas of others! And so far your circuits look very nice! :-) Now it's raining but i can transmit in ANY weather condition. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: To strong QRN here for a QSO, also i am at my YLs QTH and have no chance to receive here, only the grabber via the web... Am 07.06.2012 18:55, schrieb pws: > Hi Stefan, > > You wrote: >> ... >> I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. > > ... > > Horrible strong here at Kiel, 54N/10E. > Up to 30dB above noise... > > Rig: INA111 balanced E-field probe, 2x30cm, > Homebrewed downconverter to baseband. > > Screenshot there: > http://www.df3lp.de/misc/DK7FC_2012-06-07_16:39s.png > > Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C9CA338000203; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYAj-0003xK-VW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:22:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYAj-0003xB-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:22:17 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbYAg-0006yw-Bx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:22:15 +0100 Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so2395424wib.10 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:22:13 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=0G2WQoLcL7mqb4PGwQe+F8Gn58XhJ7vIeCK85yS3FuI=; b=i/oHQzUCsy+hbAtbly44uv6yuJmhP7rZx4D+wl7zVC6V4eOsI+XLDBb1zajF6Bjleq sQ/GE+kWCwQHtzgKRgHpO0Zu1vuWC0q+jsl4QnihBMEx8JnbdmJnfDEFnJVjCzjIwTaB kuQgNNsrghd17v9g7EyQpszRnLFm4xCjFgA3hWu2Jv5BNfq2XabsTsfYP8p3acXpoi+Q UAY4LiyDviLep8DcLMUwy4mHlhs1l6FsrjG9ZVxmNrxvyovKQp0uQEm8XRab0yWXpn7Y yVaWaKIlhriHMvafGLa5lgo4ZP0EBp/5FZVtSzV0Kll+qug1cVGTzER0GQrSWuUGSK6s TDCw== Received: by 10.216.142.102 with SMTP id h80mr11576748wej.36.1338819732656; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc6-cmbg17-2-0-cust624.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com. [86.30.58.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ei4sm32749646wid.5.2012.06.04.07.22.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:22:11 -0700 (PDT) References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: Roger Lapthorn X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-Id: <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:22:07 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful inputs. By the way, have you voted yet? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ef570e47a9cf5159a8093427727c2c22 Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-083C948B-78E7-476E-B137-AEAD3A050788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:519446880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d010.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574fccc4d42d00 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-083C948B-78E7-476E-B137-AEAD3A050788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mal, We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful inputs.=20= By the way, have you voted yet? 73s=20 Roger -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 14:26, "mal hamilton" wrote: > I am only quoting what you published reference items 9 and 10. In some oth= er messages from you there is also mention of vetting and banning. Why is th= is such a problem with you. No one else seems to be concerned. > I am merely pointing out concerns that I have about some of your postings= where vetting and banning keeps cropping up. > My argument and others is that one should be allowed to get their opinion h= eard without fear or favour and I do no like to bombarded with words that im= ply restrictive practice. > I am not aware of any attack going on but surely I am permitted to challen= ge what others say, if it effects me and in this case the move to the Yahoo r= eflector does, as it does others as well and they are expressing their opini= ons daily. > It particularly effects me since I am one of the few radio amateurs that a= re active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice on the reflector is useful to= update activity, propagation conditions, DX alerts and technical data about= changes of equipment, power etc. > Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW or Opera. > =20 > de g3kev > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE >=20 > Dear Mal, >=20 > Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not me.=20 >=20 > Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign.=20 >=20 > 73s > Roger > G3XBM >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- >=20 > On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" wrote: >=20 >> Reference postings from G3XBM >> I am concerned about items 9 and 10 >> Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. >> Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those VETTING a= nd what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a different opinion o= r point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR >> What ever happens avoid him as a moderator >> =20 >> de g3kev >> =20 >> =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan Melia ; Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer ; Mar= kus Vester ; James Moritz >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM >> Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE >>=20 >> With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest that the LF-r= eflector migrates to a Yahoo group? >>=20 >> In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or proble= ms with any group to which I belong or moderate. >>=20 >> Instead they have had these advantages: >> Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered in-boxes) >> There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before messages are re= ceived. >> All messages are archived and searchable. >> Large files can be stored. >> Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth. >> Links can be stored/shared >> Videos can be stored. >> Polls can be run. >> Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderators to speed u= p the process) >> Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. >> Spam messages can be filtered >> Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc) >> The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot understand why t= he change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this week it is surely ti= me. >>=20 >> To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would tak= e about 30 seconds and migration to it by all interested members here would t= ake about a day at most. All you need is to agree a group name, who owns it,= who can moderate posts and some basic group ground rules/FAQs. >>=20 >> Please, think about it again.=20 >>=20 >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >>=20 >> --=20 >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ >> http://qss2.blogspot.com/ >>=20 --Apple-Mail-083C948B-78E7-476E-B137-AEAD3A050788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Mal,

<= div>We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful inputs= . 

By the way, have you voted yet?
<= br>
73s 
Roger

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -= -

On 4 Jun 2012, at 14:26, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

<= div>
I am only quoting what you published reference ite= ms 9 and=20 10. In some other messages from you there is also mention of vetting and=20 banning. Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to be concer= ned.=20
 I am merely pointing out concerns that I hav= e about=20 some of your postings where vetting and banning keeps cropping=20 up.
My argument and others is that one should be a= llowed=20 to get their opinion heard without fear or favour and I do no like to bombar= ded=20 with words that imply restrictive practice.
I am not aware of any attack going on but sur= ely I am=20 permitted to challenge what others say, if it effects me and in this ca= se=20 the move to the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as well and they are= =20 expressing their opinions daily.
It particularly effects me since I am one of the f= ew radio=20 amateurs that are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice=20 on the reflector is useful to update activity, propagation=20 conditions, DX alerts and technical data about changes of=20 equipment, power etc.
Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW=20= or Opera.
 
de g3kev
   
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 12:33=20= PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflect= or"=20 Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

Dear Mal,

Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not=20 me. 

Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign. 

73s
Roger
G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

Reference postings from G3XBM
I am concerned about items 9  and 10
Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members=20= banned.
Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the=20= credentials of those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably som= eone=20 who has a different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of= =20 HUMOUR
What ever happens avoid him as a=20 moderator
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Roger Lapthorn
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9= :51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Y= ahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE

With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again sug= gest=20 that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group?

In over 10 yea= rs I=20 have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or problems with any grou= p to=20 which I belong or moderate.

Instead they have had these=20 advantages:
  1. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered=20= in-boxes)
  2. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before m= essages=20 are received.=20
  3. All messages are archived and searchable.
  4. Large files can be stored.=20
  5. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.=20
  6. Links can be stored/shared=20
  7. Videos can be stored.=20
  8. Polls can be run.=20
  9. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderat= ors to=20 speed up the process)=20
  10. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstance= s.=20
  11. Spam messages can be filtered
  12. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc)= =20
The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot=20= understand why the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems thi= s=20 week it is surely time.

To set up a new Yahoo group called=20 "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would take about 30 seconds and migration= to=20 it by all interested members here would take about a day at most. All y= ou=20 need is to agree a group name, who owns it, who can moderate posts and= =20 some basic group ground rules/FAQs.

Please, think about it agai= n.=20

73s
Roger G3XBM

--
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http:/= /www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
htt= p://qss2.blogspot.com/

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Ken Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.222 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 567a11ac6cfe1e88f3054745c06178fe Subject: LF: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-2029570276-1339438549=:67345" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:476527552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d018.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fd636415565 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-2029570276-1339438549=:67345 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=0AHi Ken =0A=A0=0AHa ha Stefan, how good is=A0your Integration Ken?=0A= =A0=0AHere are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You nee= d a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the= amplifier is to do with=A0 A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET dr= ive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET full= y=A0on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate=A0on = off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the=A0max permitted gate voltage for th= e FET=A0is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diod= e clamp helps.=A0 B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance=A0in the = drain=A0circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow it w= ith=A0a=A0low pass filter, although the output wave will be surprisingly cl= ean.=A0Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily know al= l the starting=A0parameters and in any case=A0the result is=A0going to wide= of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. Best to use '= Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very = fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is= the key.=0AThese amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well= above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is= very low at high power=A0giving cool heat-sinks!=0A=A0=0AThe GW3UEP (do a = web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency=A0and high power= depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one = to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twice that into a dumm= y load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically = using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is = the way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set = my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drai= n wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy= load.=A0I then transfer my=A0connector from the Dummy load to the input of= the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link t= o give the same peak voltage=A0across the tuner link turns. You are not loo= king for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a = 50ohm match.=A0This is done by either=A0adding or reducing=A0the number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing the t= he transformer to resonance by measuring the peak=A0up-lead current, here y= ou are looking for the maximum peak.=A0=A0=0A=A0=0AOh yes and WIMA high vol= tage high value capacitors from Maplin work well.=0A=A0=0ARead the articles= and search info on class E amplifiers.=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0AFor some bed time = reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at= the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/A= IIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf=0A=A0=0AFor design ideas=0Ahtt= p://www.classeradio.com/=0A=A0=0AFor a good practical circuit for a single = ended amp=A0that =A0is a scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the = wheel.=0Ahttp://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/=0A=A0=0AFor antennas and antenna feed= methods a "look no where else site" =0Ahttp://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/= =0A=A0=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ---176341844-2029570276-1339438549=:67345 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
= Hi Ken
=
 
Ha ha Stefan, how good= is your Integration Ken?
=  
Here are a couple of sit= es that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good= oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do with = A/ the correct driver=0A preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 no= n and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully off = on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark /= space). Ensuring the max=0A permitted gate voltage for the FET i= s not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp h= elps.  B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in the dra= in circuit can be done empirically S= ee article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although= the output=0A wave will be surprisingly = clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily kn= ow all the starting parameters and in any case the result is = ;going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values.= Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the= output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times= . Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key.
These amplifiers are capable of incredibly= good efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissip= ation from the FET is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks<= /span>!
=  
<= div id=3D"yiv1491679897yui_3_2_0_17_133936297646699">The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended = design is capable good efficiency and= high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I have mo= dified one to run reliably at 140watts=0A and is capable of almost twice th= at into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and = C empirically using the 'scope to get the = correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article b= elow shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy= load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope t= hen measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer = my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer= in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coup= ling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner link turns. Y= ou are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy load= indicating a 50ohm match. This is=0A done by either adding=0A or= reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing th= e the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak.=   
 
Oh yes an= d WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from M<= /var>aplin work well.
 
= Read the articles and search info on class E=0A amplifiers. 
 
 
<= span>For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Proced= ure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-pow= eramps.pdf
 
For design id= eas
 
= For a good practica= l circuit for a single ended amp that  is a sc= alable surefire=0A design, no need to=0A reinvent the=0A whee= l.
 
For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else= site"
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
---176341844-2029570276-1339438549=:67345-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E69D1380000BF; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SggIE-00017H-RA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:03:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SggIE-000178-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:03:14 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SggIB-00067P-81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:03:13 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 6A1F7128046.AC613 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-1e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.33]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1F7128046 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:03:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB2.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub2.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D9C44048 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:03:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB2.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::8559:ca7c:e195:e15d%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:03:00 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: 475kHz grabber Thread-Index: AQHNTXyYaQJO6hV/C0mXnK3xOS7EOA== Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:02:59 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB10AA@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.13] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: On request of Marco, DD7PC, I am running a grabber on 475kHz (474.95-475.05): http://www.strobbe.eu/argo/ The grabber may be interrupted for a QSO. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Stefan Schäfer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2012 16:03 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Further MF impressions [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: LF: 475kHz grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440224800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fdf6da211b8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none On request of Marco, DD7PC, I am running a grabber on 475kHz (474.95-475.05= ): http://www.strobbe.eu/argo/ The grabber may be interrupted for a QSO. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2012 16:03 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Further MF impressions MF, I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the band noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in these first days... 73, Stefan/DK7FC= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A174038000121; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjYqf-0006T9-Mo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjYqf-0006T0-4C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:41 +0100 Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjYqd-0008AO-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:40 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.50] by nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2012 16:42:38 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.237] by tm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2012 16:42:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2012 16:42:38 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 277504.96194.bm@omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 17822 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2012 16:42:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340728957; bh=Xrb/yb8qgU6et74Ah8W7LGRABXw8lflZizwTGNlhn7A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wMnMkUHHi4Ahu6jz02aBI4ZvLENzbNtOEVIZqZbtUBedKoOovchPIX5y2Kbxd/EED81THR17WGy3Vg3FAKG4c60OuBATOxa+tV9M6FRQq/QJ7YNBh3uqHCVTuE7Y6CDZ6rxZ7pFfWfO9AFJbvihZ6mVD7m3V/vD5CuulIun9AAY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NoBfP0CNkEUeb2mjIQBVJJ24Ne8pTz5RXeB5IEzuBPqkvEsDsHLI6EE+w9RzYIzQq5IgBqnf7Gr8CPkVADQvdeoFNE007CgR0O27j04uDx5mQ3y0IPNm6JCTh407AiT/y1NcixFfT21jb5Syx7yqdSqZ8XW48h1YGuPvNq6rJ2Y=; X-YMail-OSG: MOPA04AVM1mjyknV9_cwptZOh2HokNRigFPMtxna0u.J5.O nKaS1y.Z2cdMix_6NKSS0kNCz9YnQPPQ_gqBOE2LD2a5oSXgZpKIUVbbb3hf ujpSgof3Gc21EnIr7DIqdvxJmPzs5TgFlwaUzVDKI53FWBUIfdW6lkx1HzWI E2AAz6TYVD4sYU6cIwxBH9n6VZ0KHQ_To9dWIi1i4R8tgmP2ohM6A4qyciEY f_CK3wyKO8OQ_vlPOlpY8vPBF3uHfntV7qsCPDaZEXLPxRrfTpBEvnHll0Uq Yxas8ttySniq6yWXocjA3XpOdhouZuT15yD5fXak9q8UhDRDU55T7DOmBUQW AVY4WlRyS1i05QQSK42ttpTsh1rJYMq853E_hi7Bq.EKRB4jdXSBpLFTkXwn .kSm2U1yPSCmMLUaxgsNuBmxT7GjAKMMWXmIhSaDVaZoNesj.44Ii2w-- Received: from [86.164.61.75] by web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <172D1CB5F32F43A790DBC99A73F73D59@AGB> Message-ID: <1340728957.15592.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <172D1CB5F32F43A790DBC99A73F73D59@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. After all its just the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in a nonlinear device like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess you would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and using considerably less power over all. Class E an all. [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 3d0ae5b4ae8b74dc4bf5c1dbe3fef430 Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-1785466553-1340728957=:15592" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443198592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d268.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fe9e6be5e45 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-1785466553-1340728957=:15592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00= amplitude modulated on the plate=A0in the good old days. After all its jus= t the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with=A0audio in a nonlinear dev= ice like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess yo= u would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and = using considerably less power over all. Class E an all.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Tuesday, 2= 6 June 2012, 17:09=0ASubject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS=0A =0A=0A =0ASteady on Ma= l !=A0=A0 this=A0 is getting=A0 technical=A0 =0A!" =0A=0AYour=A0 right=A0 ,= FM has a=A0 cut off=A0 point=A0 , =0Awhere=A0 demodulation fails=A0 and=A0= also=A0 a=A0 capture=A0 =0Aeffect , where the=A0 stronger of=A0 2 signals= =A0 will=A0 =0Aacquire=A0 and=A0 hold the=A0 demodulator ..always=A0=A0 =0A= fun=A0 on 2=A0 mtrs=A0=A0 when a=A0 mobile=A0 suddenly=A0 =0Atakes=A0 the= =A0 channel =0A=0AAm=A0 has no=A0 cut off=A0 point , but=A0 gradual=A0 =0A= degradation=A0 until the=A0 recovered=A0 audio=A0 is no=A0 longer =0Ausable= =A0 ......eg, =A0mcw=A0 would=A0 readable=A0 much=A0 =0Alower=A0 than=A0 AM= speech =0A=0AI think=A0 much over=A0 250/300 MHz=A0=A0 its=A0 =0Aactually= =A0 not=A0 possible to=A0 produce=A0 AM=A0 , could =0Abe=A0 wrong=A0 , but= =A0 there is a=A0 limit=A0 , may=A0=A0 =0Abe=A0 by=A0 high=A0 level=A0 modu= lation falls over , dont=A0 =0Asee=A0 why=A0 could=A0 not=A0 be=A0 via=A0 t= ransverting=A0 =0A....... =0A=0AG..=0A =0AFrom: mal hamilton =0ASent: Tue= sday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM =0ATo: rsgb =0ASubject: LF: A/G FREQS =0A =0AA= s stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and =0Asimplex=A0working. =A0I have also = noticed a well modulated AM transmitter =0Ais more potent than a FM transmi= tter when working at max range. On AM the RX =0Abandwidth can be opened up = to receive several stations simultaneously then =0Aselect the one of intere= st by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on =0ACW. =A0On FM if = you tried this the=A0transmission would fall into a black =0Ahole, in other= words the=A0FM rx has to be tailored to the =0Aexact=A0bandwidth of the tr= ansmission (same deviation value) =0Ag3kev ---1613889061-1785466553-1340728957=:15592 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well Graham when I were a= Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on t= he plate in the good old days. After all its just the product of mixin= g two frequencies 432 with audio in a nonlinear device like a Class C = amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess you would PWM the car= rier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and using considerably = less power over all. Class E an all.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91= UX
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From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Sent: Tuesday= , 26 June 2012, 17:09
Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS

=0A=0A =0A =0A<= style>=0A=0A
=0A
Steady on Mal !   this  is = getting  technical  =0A!"
=0A
 
=0A
Your&n= bsp; right  , FM has a  cut off  point  , =0Awhere = ; demodulation fails  and  also  a  capture  =0Aef= fect , where the  stronger of  2 signals  will  =0Aacqu= ire  and  hold the  demodulator ..always   =0Afun&= nbsp; on 2  mtrs   when a  mobile  suddenly  = =0Atakes  the  channel
=0A
 
=0A
Am = has no  cut off  point , but  gradual  =0Adegradation&= nbsp; until the  recovered  audio  is no  longer =0Ausa= ble  ......eg,  mcw  would  readable  much  = =0Alower  than  AM speech
=0A
 
=0A
I thi= nk  much over  250/300 MHz   its  =0Aactually = ; not  possible to  produce  AM  , could =0Abe  wr= ong  , but  there is a  limit  , may   =0Abe&= nbsp; by  high  level  modulation falls over , dont  = =0Asee  why  could  not  be  via  transvertin= g  =0A.......
=0A
 
=0A
G..
=0A
=0A
=0A=0A
S= ent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM
=0A
To: rsgb
=0A
Subject: LF: A/G FREQS
=0A

=0A
As stated Air/Ground vhf= /uhf is AM and =0Asimplex working.  I have also noticed a well mo= dulated AM transmitter =0Ais more potent than a FM transmitter when working= at max range. On AM the RX =0Abandwidth can be opened up to receive severa= l stations simultaneously then =0Aselect the one of interest by closing dow= n the selectivity, the same applies on =0ACW.  On FM if you tried this= the transmission would fall into a black =0Ahole, in other words the&= nbsp;FM rx has to be tailored to the =0Aexact bandwidth of the transmi= ssion (same deviation value)
=0A
g3kev=
=0A
 
=0A


= ---1613889061-1785466553-1340728957=:15592-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5E20D3800008F; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScbeF-0001Wk-R8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:17:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScbeF-0001Wb-BV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:17:07 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.laposte.net ([193.253.67.230] helo=smtpout.laposte.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScbeD-0001We-C3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:17:06 +0100 Received: from wwinf8307 ([10.99.54.222]) by mwinf8509-out with ME id KQH41j0044nfl4A03QH4ck; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:17:04 +0200 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:17:04 +0200 From: "manginbenoit.pro" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <1608727203.579919.1339071424127.JavaMail.www@wwinf8307> In-Reply-To: <4FD0999E.3080206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> <4FD0999E.3080206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [82.246.206.85] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP. My "reasonable" setup indicates me that triple that value could be necessary... CU there [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [193.253.67.230 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (manginbenoit.pro[at]laposte.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c0e6e8bcdc231effb9da2003d606d9a2 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_579918_687132046.1339071424124" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:392159616:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4fd09bf40ddd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_Part_579918_687132046.1339071424124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP. My "reasonable" setup indicates me that triple that value could be necessar= y... CU there Ben > Message du 07/06/12 14:12 > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > I only heared some rumours about the permission starting January, 1st,=20 > 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is given out on the= =20 > Ham Radio 2012 (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php)= =20 > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more realistic. >=20 > Time to build a suitable loading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH=20 > only... >=20 > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > > Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles)=20 > > granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ? > > > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our=20 > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. > > > > 73 > > > > Ben >=20 >=20 Une messagerie gratuite, garantie =C3=A0 vie et des services en plus, =C3= =A7a vous tente ? Je cr=C3=A9e ma bo=C3=AEte mail www.laposte.net ------=_Part_579918_687132046.1339071424124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP.
My "reasonable" setup indicates me that  triple = that value could be necessary...

CU there

Ben

> Message du 07/06/12 14:12
> De : &quo= t;Stefan Schäfer"
> A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Copie à :
> Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
&g= t;
> I only heared some rumours about the permission starting Janua= ry, 1st,
> 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is= given out on the
> Ham Radio 2012 (http://www.hamradio-friedrichs= hafen.de/ham-en/index.php)
> , which would be in 3 weeks! But i gu= ess 2013 is more realistic.
>
> Time to build a suitable l= oading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH
> only...
> <= br />> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
> Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrie= b manginbenoit.pro:
> > Are there other EU countries (apart from= the British Isles)
> > granting MF access to the amateur servi= ce so fast ?
> >
> > We in France still did not hear = even the smallest whisper from our
> > tutelage administration.= Or maybe am I not well informed.
> >
> > 73
>= ; >
> > Ben
>
>
------=_Part_579918_687132046.1339071424124-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5794C38000083; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SikDn-0005Ii-Dr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SikDn-0005IZ-01 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:11 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SikDl-0001SV-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:09 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5OAd8SN028742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:39:08 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5OAd8Mg002406 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:39:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE6EDDD.50606@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:37:17 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000501cd518a$82a74770$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1340515657.188389636@f224.mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <1340515657.188389636@f224.mail.ru> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alex, Thanks for the reports. Is it your summer location like last year? The QRN levels are quite high these days. 73, Stefan Am 24.06.2012 07:27, schrieb Alex K: > Hello Mal, LF! > It is the first time of summer reception of UK LF station for me, > thank you Mal. > Also rcvd DK7FC. > 73 de rn3aus/Alex > > Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:52:39 -0000 от "mal hamilton" : > > LF > Making it to the Moscow grabber on 136.173 Khz around 2130 > utc KEV > QRS 30 > Now QRT > de g3kev > > [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 39d0aa3a8a50eef73e9de70bcfcadb32 Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF: Emailing: EU (2) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060804040607050601090803" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470712640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fe6ee9f7916 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060804040607050601090803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5OAd8SN028742 Hi Alex, Thanks for the reports. Is it your summer location like last year? The QRN levels are quite high=20 these days. 73, Stefan Am 24.06.2012 07:27, schrieb Alex K: > Hello Mal, LF! > It is the first time of summer reception of UK LF station for me,=20 > thank you Mal. > Also rcvd DK7FC. > 73 de rn3aus/Alex > > Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:52:39 -0000 =D0=BE=D1=82 "mal hamilton" : > > LF > Making it to the Moscow grabber on 136.173 Khz around 2130 > utc KEV > QRS 30 > Now QRT > de g3kev > > --------------060804040607050601090803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5OAd8SN028742 Hi Alex,

Thanks for the reports.
Is it your summer location like last year? The QRN levels are quite high these days.
73, Stefan



Am 24.06.2012 07:27, schrieb Alex K:
= Hello Mal, LF!
It is the first time of summer reception of UK LF station for me, thank you Mal.
Also rcvd DK7FC.
73 de rn3aus/Alex

Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:52:39 -0000 =D0=BE=D1=82 "mal hamilton" = <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
LF
Making it to the Moscow grabber on 136.173 Khz=C2=A0around 2130 utc=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0KEV
QRS 30
Now QRT
de g3kev
=C2=A0

--------------060804040607050601090803-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 087C8380000AB; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkKGO-00080m-KL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:20:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkKGO-00080d-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:20:24 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkKGM-0005HV-Kn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:20:23 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.30.111]) by mwinf5d68 with ME id TvLH1j00V2PqlUa03vLHL0; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:20:21 +0200 Message-ID: <233C8A8FA9234F7BAA7D8A1505198AA4@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000901cd5561$92ff83a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000901cd5561$92ff83a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:20:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120628-0, 28/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Bit of Lemon Pledge ? From: mal hamilton Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:09 PM To: rsgb Subject: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Pete es co The 500 Khz rig that I built in a couple of hours. Components from the junk box. The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of transistors. Class E single ended one FET. At the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an exciter, a couple of diodes to SQ the sinewave. The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic ex TU7B tuning unit. I put a good signal into the USA es Canada es Moscow with this transmitter on CW. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 138e3b341e0543401afa7e97ee054540 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD556B.6EAB15A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:462077056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ca4fecaeab197e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD556B.6EAB15A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bit of Lemon Pledge ? From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:09 PM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Pete es co The 500 Khz rig that I built in a couple of hours. Components from the = junk box. The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of = transistors. Class E single ended one FET. At the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an exciter, = a couple of diodes to SQ the sinewave. The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic ex TU7B tuning unit. I put a good signal into the USA es Canada es Moscow with this = transmitter on CW.=20 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD556B.6EAB15A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bit  of  Lemon Pledge  ?
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:09 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Emailing: malk 107

Pete es co
The 500 Khz rig that I built in a  couple of hours. Components = from=20 the junk box. The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of=20 transistors.
Class E single ended one FET.
At the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an = exciter, a=20 couple of diodes to SQ the sinewave.
The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic ex TU7B tuning = unit.
I put a good signal into the USA es Canada es Moscow with=20 this transmitter on CW.
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD556B.6EAB15A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DD00338000088; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjJEK-00038s-Cx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:02:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjJEJ-00038j-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:02:03 +0100 Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjJEH-0000Vc-JL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:02:02 +0100 Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id So171j0051vXlb858o20Wt; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:02:00 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id So201j02P0CFS1j3do21WG; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:02:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000801cd532e$e849bcc0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <4FE8F6FE.4030409@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:01:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Will be watching. Lots of static with storms south and east http://thunderstorm.vaisala.com/explorer.html . Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 [...] Content analysis details: (0.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497047968:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4fe8fc301b2f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan Will be watching. Lots of static with storms south and east http://thunderstorm.vaisala.com/explorer.html . Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 7:40 PM Subject: LF: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) > LF! > > Once again, braving the summer hole, i'm transmitting over night on 136.172 kHz in DFCW-90. Still > hoping to leave some traces in that mode in YV. The days become longer here again now! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6D50C38000085; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaizI-0005gi-PE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 08:43:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaizI-0005gZ-0s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 08:43:04 +0100 Received: from mout6.freenet.de ([195.4.92.96]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (UNKNOWN:AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaizG-0004ZP-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 08:43:02 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.140] (helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mout6.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SaizF-0005lX-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:43:01 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:56486 helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SaizF-0003kc-11 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:43:01 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.20] (port=57748 helo=10.mx.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Saix2-0003IA-LO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:40:44 +0200 Received: from blfd-4d08865e.pool.mediaways.net ([77.8.134.94]:3554 helo=[192.168.178.22]) by 10.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Saix2-0005xH-BR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:40:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4FC9C37B.10501@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:40:43 +0200 From: wolf_dl4yhf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7F143.7080106@psk31.plus.com> <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> In-Reply-To: <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Peter, At the moment multiple running instances of SL don't "talk to each other" about the sample rate, even if they use the same audio device for input. In future versions, it will be possible to have the first instance running as 'master', providing a resampled(!) audio stream for all other instances. Those 'slave'-instances don't connect directly to the soundcard, but to the first running instance. I am not sure about how to connect the instances yet (via shared memory, or -even better- via TCP/IP so the slaves could run on physically different PCs if necessary). [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.4.92.96 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dl4yhf[at]freenet.de) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:424561088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fc9c4606aee X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Peter, At the moment multiple running instances of SL don't "talk to each other" about the sample rate, even if they use the same audio device for input. In future versions, it will be possible to have the first instance running as 'master', providing a resampled(!) audio stream for all other instances. Those 'slave'-instances don't connect directly to the soundcard, but to the first running instance. I am not sure about how to connect the instances yet (via shared memory, or -even better- via TCP/IP so the slaves could run on physically different PCs if necessary). All the best, Wolf . Am 01.06.2012 20:50, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hello... > > I was wondering the following: > > I have here 4x Spectrum Lab task running at one PC to serve my SUB9KHz > grabber page at www.qsl.net/pa1sdb > I use that Sampling Rate detector in all 4 Spectrum Lab tasks. > Is that OK, or need I only one Sampling Rate detector that callibrates > the other 3 tasks to ? > (one master - 3 clients without that SR cal active) > > 73's Peter - PA1SDB > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 33FC6380000AB; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 04:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgAdp-00059D-02 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:15:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgAdo-000594-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:15:24 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgAdm-0005sl-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:15:23 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAOOR3U9cF/9d/2dsb2JhbABFtVOBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh34HqiWNKwSLOIMggxsDiA+FNJdegmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,425,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395100508" Received: from host-92-23-255-93.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.255.93]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jun 2012 09:15:21 +0100 Message-ID: <004301cd4c61$533eb690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001d01cd4c11$9533fe20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FDD1802.1050203@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:15:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Good recording and signal vy clear with QRN as well but this is normal during summer on MF. Professional Operators get used to it. I had the same static this end during the QSO. 73 agn es tnx qso de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e6360f34ef88d0e1db765f70efb2bfe9 Subject: Re: LF: qso dk7fc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4C61.530CAA10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:480434816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a4fdd925315d9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4C61.530CAA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan Good recording and signal vy clear with QRN as well but this is normal = during summer on MF. Professional Operators get used to it. I had the same static this end during the QSO. 73 agn es tnx qso de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: qso dk7fc Mal,=20 Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the first moment. I just didn't = know that you are calling on 501... Am 17.06.2012 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan At last a QSO hi.=20 Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were = 569 solid copy with heavy QRN on the band. Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as long as the signals are still = perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of amateur radio, all missed = in QRSS... BTW: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/G3KEV.WAV (10MB, the mp3 = converter does not work soemhow) Just have it in mind when you talk = about my ears... Ah and BTW the reception was done by using a micro = antenna, an active E field antenna that was hold out of the window, just = 1 meter. The probe is a short variable length antenna from a UKW radio = (allows experimenting with different probe length..) At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. Glad to be your first = CW QSO on MF ...the first UK stn. The first ever was PA3ABK. 73 es gl de mal/g3kev 73, QRQ, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4C61.530CAA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
Good recording and signal vy clear with QRN as = well but=20 this is normal during summer on MF. Professional Operators get used to=20 it.
I had the same static this end during the=20 QSO.
73 agn es tnx qso de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 11:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: qso = dk7fc

Mal,

Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the = first=20 moment. I just didn't know that you are calling on 501...

Am = 17.06.2012=20 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
Stefan
At last a QSO hi.
Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the = 579 report.=20 I cfm u were 569 solid copy with heavy QRN on the=20 band.
Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as = long as the=20 signals are still perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of = amateur=20 radio, all missed in QRSS...

BTW:  https://dl.dropbo= x.com/u/19882028/MF/G3KEV.WAV =20 (10MB, the mp3 converter does not work soemhow) Just have it in mind = when you=20 talk about my ears... Ah and BTW the reception was done by using a = micro=20 antenna, an active E field antenna that was hold out of the window, = just 1=20 meter. The probe is a short variable length antenna from a UKW radio = (allows=20 experimenting with different probe length..)


At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. = Glad to=20 be your first CW QSO on MF
...the first UK = stn. The=20 first ever was PA3ABK.

73 es gl de mal/g3kev
 

73, QRQ,=20 Stefan/DK7FC
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4C61.530CAA10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6B0F238000097; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShU8f-0005Os-M2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:16:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShU8f-0005Oj-1D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:16:41 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShU8c-0007U1-64 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:16:39 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAIBY4k9cHYOW/2dsb2JhbAArGoJFgxOaKQOVUoEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMWJg0CJgYBAQMFAgEBAhEEAQEKIQICFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBCgSHXgMGCQcppkmTHopLY4UJgRIDjUiSZAOEfIJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,447,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="376482140" Received: from host-92-29-131-150.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.131.150]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2012 00:16:35 +0100 Message-ID: <002501cd4f3a$bb772ea0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:16:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Not long. Heard the Lira was making a comeback in Italy. Your £5 stick costs 3,784,227 Lira also in some parts of Ireland they are using the Punt again in some shops. I have found on holidays in EU they like the US$ and the British £ and give a good rate of exchange. I might try one of the TV digi sticks, which is the best brand de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5624f0ff3acda0934438723229c028ec Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4F3A.BB3DF630" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444137600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fe25a0e0aca X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4F3A.BB3DF630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not long. Heard the Lira was making a comeback in Italy. Your =C2=A35 = stick costs 3,784,227 Lira also in some parts of Ireland they are using = the Punt again in some shops.=20 I have found on holidays in EU they like the US$ and the British =C2=A3 = and give a good rate of exchange.=20 I might try one of the TV digi sticks, which is the best brand de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app and = ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 = (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from = UK source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter = 60meg O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator = 5v into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no = sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the = USB supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 = http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR = software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the = programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting = software for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to = get started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link to = sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time = to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4F3A.BB3DF630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Not long. Heard the Lira was making a comeback = in Italy.=20 Your =C2=A35 stick costs 3,784,227 Lira also in some parts of Ireland = they are using=20 the Punt again in some shops.
I have found on holidays in EU they like the US$ = and the=20 British =C2=A3 and give a good rate of exchange.
I might try one of the TV digi sticks, which is = the best=20 brand
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 = 6:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

Hi=20 all
Save=20 those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they will = be around. Try=20 HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  BorIP=20 app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultra-cheap=20 Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB = stick.
These=20 DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK = source and cover about=20 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the cheap way = or=20 expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or similar = block=20 mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF = coverage=20 for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.=20
Oh=20 and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with=20 record facility and all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80=99s = not enough all=20 your local FM BC as well.  Not a=20 lot of people know that!
URLs=20 apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
https://= www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6dd= o/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You=20 won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. = :0)
Yy=20 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, = 20 June=20 2012, 18:40
Subject: Re: LF:=20 SDR programs

Hi Piotr,

Thanks for the = overview of=20 programs. That's what i searched for.
But maybe i have expressed = wrongly=20 what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not = only for=20 IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ = and=20 mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus = :-) )=20 answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i=20 think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi Stefan, = LF
>=20
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The primary = supporting=20 software for all their sdr  hardware is Spectravue.
> you = can=20 download this program from the rfspace site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult=20 to get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it = you will=20 like it:)
>
> on a "support" page of = www.rfspace.com  you=20 will also find a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
>
>  = they have a=20 very powerful radio console which looks like a regular transceiver = front=20 side
>  It has many many different options - of course, it = does=20 take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather = easy..
>=20
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and=20 easy to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr = software=20 supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of = sdr=20 programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                  =  =20                     =  =20                     =  =20         yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: = Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
>
>=20



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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham  OK a subtle point AM is a "Transparent" mode FM is a "Capture" mode and as such not suitable for AC use where simultaneous transmission can block calls. Small random offsets in carrier frequency cause hetrodynes that alert ATC of the presents of a weaker call. Nothing in Marine is ever that immediate so I guess it was expedient to opt for the El-Cheapo FM solution there can be no other reason. Probably a bunch of Civil Servants were conned into believing AM stood for Ancient Modulation.  You are right there are lot of extras that could be added to SDR software and perfectly feasible we just need to learn to programme and add all the goodies we think are needed or find a friendly software jockey to do it for us...... hee!  As far as up converters go the ubiquitous chip is the multiplex FST3253 used in Softrock and other well known up-converters for RX and TX switched with a 90 degree phase shift LO from a pair of 7474 flip flops is the basis for most current SDR detectors or TX mixers. There are now relatively cheap A/D converters which give a wider BW than the are currently available Sound Card solution. And now its all being integrated onto a single IC so your comment earlier about a USB stick TX is with us. It just needs a mass market for the price to come right down and I guess it comes through the Mobile Phone market.  Big bang doesn't frighten me all bottles here matey retro shack thermionic not thermonuclear.  You'll be telling me next that the Moons gravity bends light ergo radio waves?  It's late!!!   73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.216 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: b3b0f15d0cbaee08765b7bacd0352512 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-1868787260-1340669298=:70238" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486410112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m244.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fe8fda6293e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-1868787260-1340669298=:70238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham=0A=C2=A0=0AOK a subtle point AM is a "Transparent" mode FM is a "= Capture" mode and as such not suitable for AC use where simultaneous transm= ission can block calls. Small random offsets in carrier frequency cause het= rodynes=C2=A0that alert ATC of the presents of a weaker call. Nothing in Ma= rine is ever that immediate so I guess it was expedient to opt for the El-C= heapo FM solution there can be no other reason. Probably a bunch of Civil S= ervants were conned into believing AM stood for Ancient Modulation.=0A=C2= =A0=0AYou are right there are lot of extras that could be added to SDR soft= ware and perfectly feasible we just need to learn to programme and add all = the goodies we think are needed or find a friendly software jockey to do it= for us...... hee!=0A=C2=A0=0AAs far as up converters go the ubiquitous chi= p is the multiplex FST3253 used in Softrock and other well known up-convert= ers for RX and TX switched with a 90 degree phase shift LO=C2=A0from a pair= of 7474 flip flops is the basis for most current SDR detectors or TX mixer= s. There are now relatively cheap A/D converters which give a wider BW than= the are currently available Sound Card solution. And now its all being int= egrated onto a single IC so your comment earlier about a USB stick TX is wi= th us. It just needs a mass market for the price to=C2=A0come right down an= d=C2=A0I guess it comes through the Mobile Phone market.=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AB= ig bang doesn't frighten me all bottles here matey retro shack thermionic n= ot thermonuclear.=0A=C2=A0=0AYou'll be telling me next that the Moons gravi= ty bends light ergo radio waves?=0A=C2=A0=0AIt's late!!!=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0= =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A F= rom: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 23:38=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A = =0A=0AR Pete =0A=0AAhh=C2=A0=C2=A0 By=C2=A0 split=C2=A0, I mean the=C2=A0 = anti-jam=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0Ain channel=C2=A0 split=C2=A0 , When=C2=A0 on the=C2= =A0 same=C2=A0 frequency, =0Athe=C2=A0 ground=C2=A0 TX=C2=A0 (used tobe ?)= =C2=A0=C2=A0 off=C2=A0 set=C2=A0 =0Afrom the=C2=A0 aircraft=C2=A0 Tx=C2=A0 = frequency=C2=A0=C2=A0, so=C2=A0 if =0Athe=C2=A0 Aircraft TX jammed=C2=A0 'O= N' then=C2=A0 other=C2=A0 aircraft=C2=A0 =0Acould=C2=A0 still=C2=A0 receive= =C2=A0 the=C2=A0 ground =C2=A0 , that=C2=A0 =0Awas=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 reason= =C2=A0 for=C2=A0 wide=C2=A0 IF pass=C2=A0 bands =0Aand=C2=A0 keeping=C2=A0 = to AM=C2=A0 for the=C2=A0 comm.'s ....=C2=A0 =0AMarine=C2=A0 coms=C2=A0 , a= dopted=C2=A0 FM ... =0A=0AThere is a=C2=A0 afc=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 cw =0A=0A= =0AOT ?=C2=A0 over the=C2=A0 top=C2=A0 more like ,=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 disclaim= er =0Aon the=C2=A0 yab-a-dab-a-doo=C2=A0 group=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is bigger=C2=A0= than =0Athe=C2=A0 space=C2=A0 left=C2=A0 for the=C2=A0 messages , I think = the=C2=A0 =0Aname=C2=A0 Black-Sheep=C2=A0 seems=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 be=C2=A0 qui= te=C2=A0 apt=C2=A0 =0Anow=C2=A0 !, =0A=0ABig-bang=C2=A0 , according=C2=A0 = to=C2=A0 my=C2=A0 arrl=C2=A0 hand=C2=A0 =0Abook , HF communications=C2=A0 w= ill=C2=A0 tend to=C2=A0 be=C2=A0 =0Aattenuated=C2=A0 in the=C2=A0 direction= =C2=A0 of the=C2=A0 burst=C2=A0 , =0Aassume=C2=A0 by=C2=A0 producing=C2=A0 = quite=C2=A0 a big=C2=A0 =0AFariday=C2=A0=C2=A0 screen , also=C2=A0 recommen= ds=C2=A0 you=C2=A0 keep=C2=A0 =0Ayour=C2=A0 radio=C2=A0 in a=C2=A0 metal=C2= =A0 sweet tin ala=C2=A0=C2=A0 blue =0Apeter=C2=A0 garden !=C2=A0 =0A=0ADid= =C2=A0 get=C2=A0 good=C2=A0 signals=C2=A0 on the=C2=A0 MW on the=C2=A0 =0Aw= ay=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 work=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 France=C2=A0 during=C2=A0 the=C2=A0= =0Aeclipse some=C2=A0 time=C2=A0 ago=C2=A0 , due to the=C2=A0 lack=C2=A0 o= f=C2=A0 =0Aionisation =0A=0AG.. =0A=0A=0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Monday,= June 25, 2012 10:02 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re= : LF: SDR programs =0A =0AHi Graham =0A=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 =0A............ to = monitor off frequency nets and the tower/aircraft =0Asplit............... ?= there is no split frequency working the Tower and =0AA/C both use the=C2= =A0same QRG its just that the A/C being at altitude=C2=A0can =0Abe heard th= e Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can not be =0Aheard........= if thats what you ment. =0A=C2=A0 =0AI use the say (A) LO for Approach and= then say (B)=C2=A0LO for Tower =0Aso when the hand over from Approach to T= ower occures I merely click the =0Aappropriate LO=C2=A0A or B. Usually a 3 = to 4 meg shift, well it is at Luton AP =0Aanyway. =0A=C2=A0 =0ASorry wrong = end of the spectrum for this reflector........ just as =0Awell the RSGB att= ention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be getting our =0Akeying fin= gers rapped!!!!!!=0A =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________= ________________=0AFrom: Graham =0A=0ATo: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A21:19=0ASubject: Re:= LF: SDR =0Aprograms=0A=0A=0AYes I think=C2=A0 Andy=C2=A0 gave a talk=C2=A0= at the=C2=A0 egham=C2=A0 =0Aconvention=C2=A0 on using=C2=A0=C2=A0 a/d=C2= =A0 from=C2=A0 mobile=C2=A0 phones , =0Athe=C2=A0 new=C2=A0 ones had the=C2= =A0 extra=C2=A0 bits=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 give =0Athe=C2=A0 full=C2=A0 dynamic=C2= =A0 range on=C2=A0 HF ..he=C2=A0 was=C2=A0 =0Ausing=C2=A0=C2=A0 hardware=C2= =A0 block=C2=A0 convertors ......... never=C2=A0 =0Asaw=C2=A0 any=C2=A0 ite= ms=C2=A0 offered=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 sale=C2=A0 =0A........only=C2=A0 some=C2= =A0 very=C2=A0 high price=C2=A0 'HF rx'=C2=A0 =0Ausing=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 same= =C2=A0 ideas=C2=A0 ...I think=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 =0Agive=C2=A0 away=C2=A0 is= =C2=A0 the=C2=A0 band=C2=A0 being=C2=A0 covered in =0Afrequency=C2=A0=C2=A0= blocks , which I assume=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 down to=C2=A0 =0Athe=C2=A0 down=C2= =A0 convertors =0A=0ADont=C2=A0 think=C2=A0 he is=C2=A0 monitoring=C2=A0 B= S now , or=C2=A0 =0Awe=C2=A0 might=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 got the=C2=A0 fill=C2=A0 = in, but=C2=A0 one =0Athings=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 certain, the =C2=A310 , wonder-d= ongle=C2=A0 has=C2=A0 =0Asaved=C2=A0 me=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 buying=C2=A0 a=C2= =A0 R7000 ...All we=C2=A0 =0Aneed=C2=A0 now=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 little= =C2=A0 more=C2=A0 stability=C2=A0 in =0Athe=C2=A0=C2=A0 control=C2=A0 softw= are=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 wide-band=C2=A0 FM option in=C2=A0 HDSDR=C2=A0 = =0A=0AIm getting the=C2=A0 gb3ang=C2=A0=C2=A0 beacon=C2=A0 on=C2=A0 70 Mhz= =C2=A0 =0Agood=C2=A0 signal=C2=A0 with=C2=A0 my indoor=C2=A0=C2=A0 2 ele=C2= =A0 quad =0A.......... the=C2=A0 PMR band=C2=A0 on=C2=A0 446 Mhz=C2=A0 with= the=C2=A0 =0Aco-linera=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 10 miles away in liverpool=C2=A0 s= sb on 144 MHz=C2=A0 =0Aetc=C2=A0 =0A=0ADefinable=C2=A0 FM-AFC=C2=A0 (AND= =C2=A0 AM) =C2=A0=C2=A0 would be handy=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 monitor=C2=A0 off=C2= =A0 =0Afrequency=C2=A0 nets=C2=A0 and the=C2=A0 tower/aircraft=C2=A0=C2=A0 = split =0A=0AI think=C2=A0 possible=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 driver=C2=A0 software= =C2=A0 =0Acould=C2=A0 improve=C2=A0 as=C2=A0 more=C2=A0 take=C2=A0 up=C2=A0= the=C2=A0 =0Aidea=C2=A0 ....... could=C2=A0 HDSDR have=C2=A0 its=C2=A0 own= =C2=A0 driver=C2=A0 =0Acode=C2=A0 block=C2=A0 .......... Ive=C2=A0 noticed = there=C2=A0 is a=C2=A0 =0Aroutine=C2=A0 that=C2=A0 some=C2=A0 times=C2=A0 a= ppears=C2=A0 that=C2=A0 =0A'purges'=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 device=C2=A0 ......now= =C2=A0 if that=C2=A0 could=C2=A0 =0Abe=C2=A0 run at=C2=A0=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 = , that=C2=A0 would=C2=A0 be a big=C2=A0 =0Ahelp, to=C2=A0 recover=C2=A0 a= =C2=A0 locked=C2=A0=C2=A0 system =0A=0A73 -G.=0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: = Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubje= ct: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A =0AHi Bob =0A=C2=A0 =0AIf you are directing th= at mail to me then you need to look at earlier =0Aposts. =0A=C2=A0 =0AHowev= er if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of little =0Ainterest to yo= u. =0A=C2=A0 =0AYou say dangle we say dongle..... :-0 =0A=C2=A0 =0AThese a= re TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug straight =0Ainto your = USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving local =0Adigital = TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in the US and =0Ath= ey can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. If=C2=A0I need t= o =0Atell you more please ask but this is all in public domain on the web (= but not in =0AHam mags, at least not in UK). I have played with these thing= s for about 6 =0Amonths now=C2=A0and for a few quid (dollars) are fun. If y= ou build a simple up =0Aconverter with a say a 60meg LO guess what, you hav= e an all band=C2=A0HF radio =0Aas well. =0A=C2=A0 =0AOh and BTW I was not e= ntirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? =0AWe are talking 10 dollars= not 300+dollars. =0A=C2=A0 =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A =0A=0A________= ________________________=0AFrom: "riese-k3djc@juno.com" =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A19= :34=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms=0A=0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0A=0A=0ABeen Kin= da out of any loop on this=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0ABUT =0A=0Aif what I read,, if= I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct chip =0Aset =0Ait will co= ver MF to HF using=C2=A0 an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with =0Amy SDR= IQ =0Awhich I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set = =0AHDSDR =0Awill run that TV dangle=C2=A0as a HF radio =0A=0A?? =0A=0ABob K= 3DJC =0A=0AOn Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" =0Awrites: =0AHello Pete =0A>=0A>If we're talking about l= ow priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on the block in the form of = the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. =0A>It is what I will refer to as a "proper= " SDR i.e. a direct sampling digital down conversion SDR. =0A>It covers 10= 0kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a LAN interface = for remote access. =0A>The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 in= c shipping and VAT. =0A>=0A>You can find more details here =0A>=0A>http://4= z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description =0A>=0A>https://www.box.com/s= /1cd9353fa35b1022925e =0A>=0A>I've no connection other than being a satisfi= ed customer. =0A>=0A>73s Tracey G5VU =0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A= >>From: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, = June 21, 2012 9:55 PM =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi= Mal =0A>>=0A>>The whole reason these things are getting so much attention = is the price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or=C2=A0A/D= converter.=C2=A0They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on= LF because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO=C2=A0I don't think = its worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks peo= ple have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure.= It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX su= ppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.= =0A>> =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>_______________________= _________=0A>> =0A> ---1613889061-1868787260-1340669298=:70238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham
 
OK a subtle point AM is a "Tran= sparent" mode FM is a "Capture" mode and as such not suitable for AC use wh= ere simultaneous transmission c= an block calls. Small random offsets in carrier frequency cause hetrodynes&= nbsp;that alert ATC of the presents of a weaker call. Nothing in Marine is = ever that immediate so I guess = it was expedient to opt for the El-Cheapo FM solution there can be no other= reason. Probably a bunch of Civil Servants were conned into believing AM s= tood for Ancient Modulation.
 
You are right there are = lot of extras that could be added to SDR software and perfectly feasible we just need to learn to pr= ogramme and add all the goodies we think are needed or find a friendly soft= ware jockey to do it for us...... hee!
 =
As far as up converters go the ubiquitous chip is the multiplex FST3253 used in Softrock = and other well known up-converters for RX an= d TX switched with a 90 degree phase shift LO from a pair of 7474 flip= flops is the basis for most current SDR detectors or TX mixers. There are = now relatively cheap A/D converters which give a wider BW than the are curr= ently available Sound Card solution. And now its all being integrated onto = a single IC so your comment earlier about a USB stick TX is with us. It jus= t needs a mass market for the price to come right down and I gues= s it comes through the Mobile Phone market. 
 
Big bang does= n't frighten me all bottles here matey retro shack thermionic not thermonuclear.
 
<= div>You'll be telling me next that the Moons gravity bends light ergo radio= waves?
 
It's late!!!
 
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <= br> Sent: Monday, 25 June = 2012, 23:38
Subject: R= e: LF: SDR programs

=0A=0A =0A =0A
=0A=
R Pete
=0A
 
=0A
Ahh   By  spli= t , I mean the  anti-jam   =0Ain channel  split&nb= sp; , When  on the  same  frequency, =0Athe  ground&nbs= p; TX  (used tobe ?)   off  set  =0Afrom the = aircraft  Tx  frequency  , so  if =0Athe  Ai= rcraft TX jammed  'ON' then  other  aircraft  =0Acould&= nbsp; still  receive  the  ground   , that  =0Awas=   the  reason  for  wide  IF pass  bands =0Aa= nd  keeping  to AM  for the  comm.'s ....  =0AMari= ne  coms  , adopted  FM ...
=0A
 
=0AThere is a  afc  for  cw
=0A
 
=0A
=  
=0A
OT ?  over the  top  more like ,  t= he  disclaimer =0Aon the  yab-a-dab-a-doo  group   = ; is bigger  than =0Athe  space  left  for the  me= ssages , I think the  =0Aname  Black-Sheep  seems  to&n= bsp; be  quite  apt  =0Anow  !,
=0A
 =0A
Big-bang  , according  to  my  arrl  ha= nd  =0Abook , HF communications  will  tend to  be = ; =0Aattenuated  in the  direction  of the  burst = , =0Aassume  by  producing  quite  a big  =0AFari= day   screen , also  recommends  you  keep  = =0Ayour  radio  in a  metal  sweet tin ala   = blue =0Apeter  garden ! 
=0A
 
=0A
Did&nb= sp; get  good  signals  on the  MW on the  =0Away&= nbsp; to  work  from  France  during  the  = =0Aeclipse some  time  ago  , due to the  lack  of=   =0Aionisation
=0A
 
=0A
G..
=0A
&nb= sp;
=0A
=0A

=0A
=0A
From: M0FMT <= /div>=0A
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:02 PM
=0A=0A
Subject: Re: LF: SDR program= s
=0A

=0A
=0A
Hi Graham
=0A
 
=0A
 
=0A
........= .... to monitor off frequency nets and the tower/aircraft =0Asplit..= ............. ? there is no split frequency working the Tower and =0AA/C bo= th use the same QRG its just that the A/C being at altitude can = =0Abe heard the Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can not be = =0Aheard........ if thats what you ment.
=0A
&= nbsp;
=0A
I use the say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B)=  LO for Tower =0Aso when the hand over from Approach to Tower occures = I merely click the =0Aappropriate LO A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shif= t, well it is at Luton AP =0Aanyway.
=0A
 = ;
=0A
Sorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector....= .... just as =0Awell the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we= may be getting our =0Akeying fingers rapped!!!!!!
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: Graham =0A&= lt;g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A21:19
Subject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms

=0A =0A
=0A
=0A
Yes I think&n= bsp; Andy  gave a talk  at the  egham  =0Aconvention&nb= sp; on using   a/d  from  mobile  phones , =0Athe&= nbsp; new  ones had the  extra  bits  to  give =0A= the  full  dynamic  range on  HF ..he  was  = =0Ausing   hardware  block  convertors ......... never&= nbsp; =0Asaw  any  items  offered  for  sale = =0A........only  some  very  high price  'HF rx' = =0Ausing  the  same  ideas  ...I think  the = =0Agive  away  is  the  band  being  covered= in =0Afrequency   blocks , which I assume  is  down to=   =0Athe  down  convertors
=0A
 
=0ADont  think  he is  monitoring  BS now , or  =0Aw= e  might  of  got the  fill  in, but  one =0A= things  is  certain, the =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle  has = =0Asaved  me  from  buying  a  R7000 ...All we&nb= sp; =0Aneed  now  is  a  little  more  stabil= ity  in =0Athe   control  software  and  a&nb= sp; =0Awide-band  FM option in  HDSDR 
= =0A
 
=0A
Im getting the  gb3ang   beacon&= nbsp; on  70 Mhz  =0Agood  signal  with  my indoor=    2 ele  quad =0A.......... the  PMR band  on&nbs= p; 446 Mhz  with the  =0Aco-linera  from  10 miles away= in liverpool  ssb on 144 MHz  =0Aetc 
=0A
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Definable  FM-AFC  (AND  AM) = =0A   would be handy  to  monitor  off  = =0Afrequency  nets  and the  tower/aircraft   spli= t
=0A
 
=0A
I think  possible  the  = driver  software  =0Acould  improve  as  more = ; take  up  the  =0Aidea  ....... could  HDSDR hav= e  its  own  driver  =0Acode  block  ........= .. Ive  noticed there  is a  =0Aroutine  that  som= e  times  appears  that  =0A'purges'  the  de= vice  ......now  if that  could  =0Abe  run at&nbs= p;  will  , that  would  be a big  =0Ahelp, to&nbs= p; recover  a  locked   system
=0A
 =0A
73 -G.
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: M0FMT
=0A
Sent: Monday, June 2= 5, 2012 8:58 PM
=0A=0A
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs
=0A

=0A
=0A
Hi Bob
=0A
=  
=0A
If you are directing that mail to me then you nee= d to look at earlier =0Aposts.
=0A
 =0A
However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of litt= le =0Ainterest to you.
=0A
 
=0AYou say dangle we say dongle..... :-0
=0A
 
=0A
These are TV front ends that use the SDR prin= ciple and plug straight =0Ainto your USB port on your Lap top. Normally the= y are for recieving local =0Adigital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. T= hey are available in the US and =0Athey can be made to tune from about 60me= gs to about 1.7gigs. If I need to =0Atell you more please ask but this= is all in public domain on the web (but not in =0AHam mags, at least not i= n UK). I have played with these things for about 6 =0Amonths now and f= or a few quid (dollars) are fun. If you build a simple up =0Aconverter with= a say a 60meg LO guess what, you have an all band HF radio =0Aas well= .
=0A
 
=0A
Oh and BTW I w= as not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? =0AWe are talking 10= dollars not 300+dollars.
=0A
 
=0A<= div>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: =0A"riese-k3djc@juno.com" <riese-k3= djc@juno.com>
To: rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sen= t: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A19:34
Subject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms

= =0A
=EF=BB=BF =0A=0A=0A
=0A
=  
=0A
Been Kinda out of any loop on this  
= =0A
 
=0A
BUT
=0A
 
=0A
if what I = read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct chip =0Aset=0A
it will cover MF to HF using  an appropriate program. I use H= DSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ
=0A
which I like for general reception. So = by using the proper chip set =0AHDSDR
=0A
will run that TV dangle&= nbsp;as a HF radio
=0A
 
=0A
??
=0A
 <= /div>=0A
Bob K3DJC
=0A
 
=0A
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012= 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" <tracey.gardner@talktalk.net> =0Awrites:
=0A=0A
Hello Pete
=0A
 
=0A
If we're talkin= g about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on =0A the block in= the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel.
=0A
It is what I wi= ll refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling =0A digital down conv= ersion SDR.
=0A
It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwid= th of 1.25MHz and has a =0A LAN interface for remote access.
=0A The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT.=0A
 
=0A
You can find more details here
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---1613889061-1868787260-1340669298=:70238-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F2B003800009F; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbade-0005tI-EP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:00:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbadd-0005t6-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:00:17 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbadb-0007kS-Ii for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:00:16 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD022ACDBC; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:00:12 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 197qFDRaJ7520M01; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:00:09 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.1] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID230qFDRaJ1326X01; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:00:09 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.1 IN dibene@usa.net imap01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID230qFDRaJ1326X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.21.126] by imap01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 269qFDRaJ0032M21; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:00:09 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.21.126 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FCCE996.2070606@usa.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:00:06 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, LF Mailing List References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCC63E.6040400@hifidelity.com> In-Reply-To: <4FCCC63E.6040400@hifidelity.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 X-Antivirus: avast! 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I can stand an occasional post about rag-chewing CW QSOs on the Yahoo group, after all the Delete key is so handy, but it would be a pity if an interesting technical subject were discussed only on the Blacksheep reflector, which I will shortly unsubscribe. 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Later attempts to shepherd(!) contributors into the > appropriate groups will be met with ill-will, factions will > arise etc. Seen just this happen. And who will enforce the separation of the topics between the two groups ? I can stand an occasional post about rag-chewing CW QSOs on the Yahoo group, after all the Delete key is so handy, but it would be a pity if an interesting technical subject were discussed only on the Blacksheep reflector, which I will shortly unsubscribe. 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------070303050001060800010800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/4/2012 4:29 PM, Steve Dove wrote: 
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Content preview: GE Markus, Your carrier in Moscow, ~10db. 73 Andrey [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [94.100.176.132 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rn3agc[at]mail.ru) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 8aa411d41ceab1c25572935e870c69f4 Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD45E8.4DEB7C20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81365 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440951936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m289.1 ; domain : mail.ru DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fd27e48441f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD45E8.4DEB7C20 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GE Markus, Your carrier in Moscow, ~10db. 73 Andrey Hi Stefan, just sent a test carrier on 137710 for a couple of minutes from my Marconi (the outdoor antenna ;-). SNR in QRSS3 was 41 dB in Heidelberg, and around 20 dB on the temporary grabber. Of course the ferrite antenna might not have been pointing my way. Any chance you could place it outside the car? Greetings to the gang, have fun! 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Content preview: Loading coil for 9 Khz, heavy duty model G3KEV Loading coil for 9 Khz, heavy duty model [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_OBFU_JPG_ATTACH BODY: JPG attachment with generic MIME type 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: db8e9df07fbe0879a3c9e1a68f3f2469 Subject: LF: Emailing: valves 018 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD4A32.6339E050" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81511 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461376352:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824fd9e8cb21b1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD4A32.6339E050 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01CD4A32.6339E050" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CD4A32.6339E050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loading coil for 9 Khz, heavy duty model G3KEV ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CD4A32.6339E050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Loading coil for 9 Khz, heavy = duty=20 model
 
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:33:12 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkMFALa24E9cHY3C/2dsb2JhbABFgkWiPZBogQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDICEIAiELAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEBCSUUAQQYAgYMCggGDwQBCQECAgEBAQsEh1wDDwewDwOJWIpMY4J+gxsDiBCFNJEFgVuEfoJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,438,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="39139515" Received: from host-92-29-141-194.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.141.194]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 18:33:09 +0100 Message-ID: <007801cd4e41$97603d80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" References: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:33:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham it is so QUIET the needles keep pooping UP. I do get worried that the RF might set a bale on FIRE !! MAL ----- Original Message ----- From: graham787 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Emailing: hay 034 [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.2 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 4220a5ee914f949f13cd1b56700aea33 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD4E41.97222310" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:469387104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 10 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fe0b8081541 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD4E41.97222310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham it is so QUIET the needles keep pooping UP. I do get worried = that the RF might set a bale on FIRE !! MAL ----- Original Message -----=20 From: graham787=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Emailing: hay 034 =20 Ideal setup for finding a needle in a hay-stack on 500 ? G:) --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, John Rabson = wrote: > > As long as there is no corona! >=20 > John F5VLF >=20 > On 19 Jun 2012, at 17:50CEST, mal hamilton wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > >=20 > > g3kev > >=20 > >=20 > > > __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (3)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 2 a.. New Photos 1 a.. New Links 1=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD4E41.97222310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham it is so QUIET the needles keep pooping = UP. I do=20 get  worried that the RF might set a bale on FIRE !!
MAL
 
 
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Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: = Emailing:=20 hay 034

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Ideal setup for finding a needle in a hay-stack on 500=20 ?

G:)

--- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk,=20 John Rabson <john.rabson@...> wrote:
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> As long as = there is=20 no corona!
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> John F5VLF
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> On 19 Jun = 2012, at=20 17:50CEST, mal hamilton wrote:
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> > = Antenna Hay=20 day. S/EAST MAST
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> > g3kev
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------=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD4E41.97222310-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C5A4838000095; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 20:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgQBS-0007xI-Ug for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:51:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgQBS-0007x9-Gf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:51:10 +0100 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgQBP-0000dY-RJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:51:09 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5I0p4bp012632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:21:04 -0230 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:21:04 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: References: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MUN-Disclaimer: http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/elect_communications_disclaimer_2012.php X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, Group. At the moment, a CW beacon is running on 504.1 kHz on this side of the pond. 73 Joe VO1NA [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: LF: Now again on 477.5 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492580800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fde7bcc0fa7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, Group. At the moment, a CW beacon is running on 504.1 kHz on this side of the=20 pond. 73 Joe VO1NA On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > MF, > > Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy exciti= ng=20 > for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again, listening and watc= hing=20 > on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else wants to try. > > Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A5A47380000AB; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfI4z-0008PQ-E2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:59:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfI4y-0008PH-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:59:48 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfI4x-0002m2-DN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:59:47 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.46.125]) by mwinf5d25 with ME id NMzm1j0092i31Ua03MzmqD; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:59:47 +0200 Message-ID: <699357C16B9347949BA7E7250F122BD1@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006b01cd4a4f$ea9b98f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <006b01cd4a4f$ea9b98f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:59:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120614-1, 14/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Definitely OFF TOPIC will have to have a vote on this kind of supercilious posting , Unless its linked to a LF garden party , in which case that 's fine , onions on mine pls G : ) From: mal hamilton Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:05 PM To: rsgb Subject: LF: 500 es Charcoal [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 7f2e5481aa97b3cbff3d653a1b2ddfbd Subject: Re: LF: 500 es Charcoal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4A81.64CA5270" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:393592256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fda5f0a4ca4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4A81.64CA5270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Definitely OFF TOPIC will have to have a vote on this kind of = supercilious posting , Unless its linked to a LF garden party , in = which case that 's fine , onions on mine pls=20 G : )=20 From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:05 PM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: 500 es Charcoal Now QAP es QRV on 500 Khz es QSX 472 search in between manufacturing my = own charcoal for BBQ . The recently purchased charcoal does not meet my = standards, ie dust and small chips and high price.=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4A81.64CA5270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Definitely  OFF TOPIC  will  have to  have a = vote on=20 this  kind of   supercilious  posting ,  Unless = its=20 linked to a  LF garden party , in which  case = that 's  fine=20 ,  onions on mine  pls
 
G  : )
 
 

Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:05 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: 500 es Charcoal

Now QAP es QRV on 500 Khz es QSX 472 search in = between=20 manufacturing my own charcoal for BBQ . The recently purchased = charcoal=20 does not meet my standards, ie dust and small chips and high price.=20
 
de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4A81.64CA5270-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2EFE6380000AD; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHwg-0002NQ-CA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:39:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHwe-0002My-So for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:39:44 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjHwb-0000AZ-2G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:39:43 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.169]) by mwinf5d37 with ME id Smff1j00D3f0J8203mfffQ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:39:39 +0200 Message-ID: <9B92E5E758664934B13502459785E3F5@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE8E412.5000909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE8E412.5000909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:39:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120625-0, 25/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of the UK as well ! From: "Stefan Schäfer" Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 9d01e9df836df8dd3868645661e1c1f7 Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489860736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814fe8e8da48d7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of the UK as well ! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > Mal, > > Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: >> Stefan >> This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the >> Dreamers band. > Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due to > your higher antenna C and mains availability. > You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. > >> I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with other >> persuits at present. >> > Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large tube. > 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul Nicholsons > grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very helpful for the first > tests! > > 73, Stefan > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stefan Schfer" >> To: >> Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" >> >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM >> Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >> >> >> >>> VLF, >>> >>> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >>> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >>> Darmstadt, http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run >>> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >>> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >>> earthquake precursors. >>> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced him to >>> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He >>> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU resources >>> for that at the moment though. >>> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >>> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it >>> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even >>> in summer. >>> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF event. >>> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June 2012 >>> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to extend it. >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >>> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2511A380000A2; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiY14-0002t1-GF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:37:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiY13-0002ss-UB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:37:13 +0100 Received: from nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.60]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiY12-0007Oo-6d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:37:12 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.52] by nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2012 21:37:10 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2012 21:37:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2012 21:37:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 854143.50461.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 65928 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2012 21:37:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=FXgOf5SZJ5wANMB4xsAsNkkTuGvMYAjMRyKGyu4anwNLJD/q6jT8u+6yBMTM3nXHuv9Y0L4eep4PFmyzotRi0/sXrIx21zjjW9VF13RtPoId+Ub+5uppykTwec9dviFuLwn/AI2iEDeimWX6idu7XWXMuM7qRnGOhlARmcbQSsU= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1340487430; bh=EF6OJFw1M/AFgIGJ09Y02r3tTREV5Y5Ce2XCvT9C8/Y=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=oIBUZ5xIBAn2xASy4IjczQHNwzy2WVkxx8UrE1o3OjP/K9k5EA3w80k737KhBTHZCpKEJ9xZhKXAb/WqbrfFJQHjgunXRyUAlztJxLhPt+nNwGFqLhn93gP8ToTAmmF1qz+mFdVUTo+k3w3m0IhKTZwBE3HOwfiaDVjp8HqjK3M= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: w7xd.QMVM1nS_v0cjSQbZB.sndU5JY1hp79ai51Zzgjjv1C z2z35JZflb0UvrzQagy4LZUy9TO2JR9mF1AvSsKIzaFqqmSgKFYuVcyhpTjr KuueYnY7o1PzfOM5ZJeFTS_pf.UBkNE6C.ZAz9fXgcBo2QImy_WRcZXy0FAj jY67Tw1WmnlwexjRWTjXb3kXSLmcIV7vl2iKrVYtP7_grjiD2V5FscIwEDMD Dy5Ob_BYvxMfp9fsIbuDRrCkznfNcu8OB0sk.Q2GLJufYW6MzLUcHES8nz0a zUziiDfbXM_N2y_dZfaIaJWg.SDsmRLvkEYZRNr2uBR.VuARTc3ywGfSaAfS neu0SD.j9E7KqCLwsRrz0quzd9WOn7vX0B_x8oo_zqOsMRkz5QZ6cytO9OD3 L1qnUFEjdjVEsQrxp3AUW3A-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: fpz.2VeswBBs59bVshRPmMN51lcO2lgFRIvE4XTqE8dRwOxd70E- Received: from gnat (alan.melia@109.145.215.32 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2012 21:37:10 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <31212EAB23144530AA7C60F8119AA937@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:36:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120623-1, 23/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Warren I doubt you will find they have any stock. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 10:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.60 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: d7fcd9b75df8d1b09ddef9df028bd9ae Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445491040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m015.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fe6373e254b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Warren I doubt you will find they have any stock. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 10:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Hi Alan, I was a little concerned when I tried looking up the address on Google maps and it looked like a housing estate, most likely an error on my part. I will e-mail them and see if they can supply the part. Vy 73 Warren On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi Warren yes Mainline bought the rump of JB and started to put some > components back in production because they had found all the drawings > during > their clear-out, then about 5 years ago they had a massive fire an lost > everything including the tooling I believe so JB is I am afraid probably > beyong resurrection. > Very Sad. I did seem the name had been saved after an asset stripping > operation...... > > Alan G3NYK > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: "rsgb_lf_group" > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:19 PM > Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? > > > Hello the list, > Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester > which now has taken over Jackson Bros? > I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced > link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 39D56380000E2; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHRC-00026C-NH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:07:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHRB-000263-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:07:13 +0100 Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.207]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjHR8-0008TN-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:07:12 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.233] by nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2012 22:07:08 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.251] by tm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2012 22:07:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2012 22:07:08 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 568801.74830.bm@omp1016.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16794 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2012 21:02:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340658147; bh=yCEi2bvJIVz5DMlHmqSItni+1XVsBarZPC+gxztZ9po=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Wt9CrFyKjm5RrIZa0F+ovcM6G9petyDU5hANy9kMCaq8+ljFBRQE14v+K1vlz0FUuPhye6vWW2KEd/7DFG7Irc8K4R7rBRYAlKlmZWXPzWEm7bDm49+z8FCJKAWI5Y9JnKOc6sjVIn8H+bvdQFItp9csgVFqn981nWYGYYHGZTI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uTC7r0IR4B1saWrP30hKmK1q7XzNrP8AzIpsJCAMGftdTzJzl/Rqr4uX5ZBr/Npt87ftp2SfSvt2qGQitLWfNjXc1ooTviu9biLjkMWAy8J5uiL7N171XKw88/B8pgYk04ZksFhDfGuSTVdsF6dT8B/G1+3v0ia5XQgIfi7xAhQ=; X-YMail-OSG: xMKsKvsVM1nqtRbJApOsowyJZ0ARMKtZLpLxmlnzakgV2Cf 8342Up.R50Bkuu07Z8dLDhUG2INI_BQgEF7y.aYNiLHL70SWIwgPIjXhFb26 _rPRGDAZxZSNxCV2hUOksqvzyyALNFCSM1nwnVQJuDKiCKwv7d3qcT0DhKWZ OYLiuoBVaBzpzp_kcqz4giUJB.SmerYgazbO30gGlA2BRXKc9fHiXk1rIzdS v7p2qW7LsUbnJuQ1VTGWao5zDJGsf3w0eELXmxi0IYq54djBTHYSTqNFHqC1 SRrmFTOO7JMNUF_sFHX_TZqiT6iLsl15sPJQ4k_guvQFEhnywGWg0ec5Kgoq WWJtB5KDlnmeEJHVSoubCJph1pulUUpHKz4pBbn3IaiZgcNh1fug3Oz.Fdo. c00.eMzgf1dMi5xSH7AsFYCdDJTqr0eyBFj0RcUSMYQAIgVNCTMtLYdqnNW_ j8toZ_.snu7JLIxK1IGjZH8M443EnDzGHxU66Md3LpM_Qm9jRjLsMCb7EGWj ThaVt48yFHWpsar.iZ9wDkLVW6WRfc_PekJcX3CEkDvEjEiXCjwa0v_SqKyC yJLMLetXRQyzCirdfUrFo_HCfXYdCkGTrLaqZ6RXqN3yOUvMekuDwLYDTFAf 3iwK4ntt10ZICXpu1YaE- Received: from [86.164.26.59] by web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:02:27 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <20120625.113436.1661.631277@mailpop04.vgs.untd.com> <1340654283.10216.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1340658147.14634.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:02:27 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham   to monitor off frequency nets and the tower/aircraft split ? there is no split frequency working the Tower and A/C both use the same QRG its just that the A/C being at altitude can be heard the Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can not be heard........ if thats what you ment.  I use the say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B) LO for Tower so when the hand over from Approach to Tower occures I merely click the appropriate LO A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well it is at Luton AP anyway.  Sorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector........ just as well the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be getting our keying fingers rapped!!!!!! [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.207 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 29f1b43ee9e13e220716185d38bfb88c Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1863597795-1340658147=:14634" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:474606528:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-a409.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94fe8e162134c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1863597795-1340658147=:14634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A............ to monitor off frequency ne= ts and the tower/aircraft split............... ? there is no split fre= quency working the Tower and A/C both use the=C2=A0same QRG its just that t= he A/C being at altitude=C2=A0can be heard the Tower being low and beyond y= our radio horizon can not be heard........ if thats what you ment.=0A=C2=A0= =0AI use the say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B)=C2=A0LO for Tower so = when the hand over from Approach to Tower occures I merely click the approp= riate LO=C2=A0A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well it is at Luton AP an= yway.=0A=C2=A0=0ASorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector........= just as well the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be= getting our keying fingers rapped!!!!!!=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 21:= 19=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A =0A=0A =0AYes I think=C2=A0 Andy=C2= =A0 gave a talk=C2=A0 at the=C2=A0 egham=C2=A0 =0Aconvention=C2=A0 on using= =C2=A0=C2=A0 a/d=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 mobile=C2=A0 phones , =0Athe=C2=A0 new=C2= =A0 ones had the=C2=A0 extra=C2=A0 bits=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 give =0Athe=C2=A0 fu= ll=C2=A0 dynamic=C2=A0 range on=C2=A0 HF ..he=C2=A0 was=C2=A0 =0Ausing=C2= =A0=C2=A0 hardware=C2=A0 block=C2=A0 convertors ......... never=C2=A0 =0Asa= w=C2=A0 any=C2=A0 items=C2=A0 offered=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 sale=C2=A0 =0A.......= .only=C2=A0 some=C2=A0 very=C2=A0 high price=C2=A0 'HF rx'=C2=A0 =0Ausing= =C2=A0 the=C2=A0 same=C2=A0 ideas=C2=A0 ...I think=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 =0Agive= =C2=A0 away=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 band=C2=A0 being=C2=A0 covered in =0Af= requency=C2=A0=C2=A0 blocks , which I assume=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 down to=C2=A0 = =0Athe=C2=A0 down=C2=A0 convertors =0A=0ADont=C2=A0 think=C2=A0 he is=C2= =A0 monitoring=C2=A0 BS now , or=C2=A0 =0Awe=C2=A0 might=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 got= the=C2=A0 fill=C2=A0 in, but=C2=A0 one =0Athings=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 certain, t= he =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle=C2=A0 has=C2=A0 =0Asaved=C2=A0 me=C2=A0 from=C2= =A0 buying=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 R7000 ...All we=C2=A0 =0Aneed=C2=A0 now=C2=A0 is= =C2=A0 a=C2=A0 little=C2=A0 more=C2=A0 stability=C2=A0 in =0Athe=C2=A0=C2= =A0 control=C2=A0 software=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 wide-band=C2=A0 FM optio= n in=C2=A0 HDSDR=C2=A0 =0A=0AIm getting the=C2=A0 gb3ang=C2=A0=C2=A0 beaco= n=C2=A0 on=C2=A0 70 Mhz=C2=A0 =0Agood=C2=A0 signal=C2=A0 with=C2=A0 my indo= or=C2=A0=C2=A0 2 ele=C2=A0 quad =0A.......... the=C2=A0 PMR band=C2=A0 on= =C2=A0 446 Mhz=C2=A0 with the=C2=A0 =0Aco-linera=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 10 miles = away in liverpool=C2=A0 ssb on 144 MHz=C2=A0 =0Aetc=C2=A0 =0A=0ADefinable= =C2=A0 FM-AFC=C2=A0 (AND=C2=A0 =0AAM) =C2=A0=C2=A0 would be handy=C2=A0 to= =C2=A0 monitor=C2=A0 =0Aoff=C2=A0 frequency=C2=A0 nets=C2=A0 and the=C2=A0 = tower/aircraft=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0Asplit =0A=0AI think=C2=A0 possible=C2=A0 the= =C2=A0 driver=C2=A0 software=C2=A0 =0Acould=C2=A0 improve=C2=A0 as=C2=A0 mo= re=C2=A0 take=C2=A0 up=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 =0Aidea=C2=A0 ....... could=C2=A0 HD= SDR have=C2=A0 its=C2=A0 own=C2=A0 driver=C2=A0 =0Acode=C2=A0 block=C2=A0 .= ......... Ive=C2=A0 noticed there=C2=A0 is a=C2=A0 =0Aroutine=C2=A0 that=C2= =A0 some=C2=A0 times=C2=A0 appears=C2=A0 that=C2=A0 =0A'purges'=C2=A0 the= =C2=A0 device=C2=A0 ......now=C2=A0 if that=C2=A0 could=C2=A0 =0Abe=C2=A0 r= un at=C2=A0=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 , that=C2=A0 would=C2=A0 be a big=C2=A0 =0Ahel= p, to=C2=A0 recover=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 locked=C2=A0=C2=A0 system =0A=0A73 -G.= =0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A =0AHi Bob =0A=C2= =A0 =0AIf you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at earlie= r =0Aposts. =0A=C2=A0 =0AHowever if you are a cheque book Ham then it will = be of little =0Ainterest to you. =0A=C2=A0 =0AYou say dangle we say dongle= ..... :-0 =0A=C2=A0 =0AThese are TV front ends that use the SDR principle a= nd plug straight =0Ainto your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are f= or recieving local =0Adigital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are= available in the US and =0Athey can be made to tune from about 60megs to a= bout 1.7gigs. If=C2=A0I need to =0Atell you more please ask but this is all= in public domain on the web (but not in =0AHam mags, at least not in UK). = I have played with these things for about 6 =0Amonths now=C2=A0and for a fe= w quid (dollars) are fun. If you build a simple up =0Aconverter with a say = a 60meg LO guess what, you have an all band=C2=A0HF radio =0Aas well. =0A= =C2=A0 =0AOh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at belo= w?? =0AWe are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars. =0A=C2=A0 =0A73 es GL Pet= e M0FMT IO91UX=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "riese-k3d= jc@juno.com" =0A=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A19:34=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms= =0A=0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0A=0A=0ABeen Kinda out of any loop on this=C2=A0=C2=A0= =0A=0ABUT =0A=0Aif what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht= he correct chip =0Aset =0Ait will cover MF to HF using=C2=A0 an appropriat= e program. I use HDSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ =0Awhich I like for general recept= ion. So by using the proper chip set =0AHDSDR =0Awill run that TV dangle=C2= =A0as a HF radio =0A=0A?? =0A=0ABob K3DJC =0A=0AOn Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:0= 0 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" =0Awrites: =0AHello = Pete =0A>=0A>If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively = new kid on the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. =0A>It= is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling digital = down conversion SDR. =0A>It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth= of 1.25MHz and has a LAN interface for remote access. =0A>The best bit is= that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT. =0A>=0A>You can fi= nd more details here =0A>=0A>http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-desc= ription =0A>=0A>https://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b1022925e =0A>=0A>I've no = connection other than being a satisfied customer. =0A>=0A>73s Tracey G5VU = =0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM =0A>>Subject: R= e: LF: SDR programs =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Mal =0A>>=0A>>The whole reason these= things are getting so much attention is the price and the fact they are i= ndependent of a sound card or=C2=A0A/D converter.=C2=A0They are not really= suitable for or give any advantage on LF because you need an up converter= in front. A Softrock SDR with a good sound card will out perform these st= icks at MF/LF.IMHO=C2=A0I don't think its worth persuing to be honest. How= ever I think with the DVB-T sticks people have been opening them up to loo= k at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It looks like they don't erase the = markings like some well known LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-= ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.=0A>> =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX= =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>________________________________=0A>> =0A> --435439028-1863597795-1340658147=:14634 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham
 
 
.= ........... to monitor off frequency nets and the tower/aircraft= split............... ? there is no split frequency working the Tow= er and A/C both use the same QRG its just that the A/C being at altitu= de can be heard the Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can = not be heard........ if thats what you ment.
=  
I use the say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B)&n= bsp;LO for Tower so when the hand over from Approach to Tower occures I mer= ely click the appropriate LO A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well = it is at Luton AP anyway.
 
Sorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector........ just as well the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be getting= our keying fingers rapped!!!!!!
=
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=
From: Graham <g8fzk@= g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To:<= /b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 21:19
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs
=0A=0A =0A= =0A
=0A
Yes I think  Andy  gave a talk  at the = ; egham  =0Aconvention  on using   a/d  from = mobile  phones , =0Athe  new  ones had the  extra = ; bits  to  give =0Athe  full  dynamic  range on&n= bsp; HF ..he  was  =0Ausing   hardware  block = ; convertors ......... never  =0Asaw  any  items  offer= ed  for  sale  =0A........only  some  very  h= igh price  'HF rx'  =0Ausing  the  same  ideas&nbs= p; ...I think  the  =0Agive  away  is  the  b= and  being  covered in =0Afrequency   blocks , which I = assume  is  down to  =0Athe  down  convertors =0A
 
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Dont  think  he is  monitoring=   BS now , or  =0Awe  might  of  got the  fil= l  in, but  one =0Athings  is  certain, the =C2=A310 , = wonder-dongle  has  =0Asaved  me  from  buying&nbs= p; a  R7000 ...All we  =0Aneed  now  is  a  l= ittle  more  stability  in =0Athe   control  = software  and  a  =0Awide-band  FM option in = ; HDSDR 
=0A
 
=0A
Im getting the = ; gb3ang   beacon  on  70 Mhz  =0Agood  signa= l  with  my indoor   2 ele  quad =0A.......... the=   PMR band  on  446 Mhz  with the  =0Aco-linera&nb= sp; from  10 miles away in liverpool  ssb on 144 MHz  =0Aetc=  
=0A
 
=0A
Definable  FM-AF= C  (AND  =0AAM)    would be handy  to = ; monitor  =0Aoff  frequency  nets  and the  tower= /aircraft   =0Asplit
=0A
 
=0A
I think&nb= sp; possible  the  driver  software  =0Acould  imp= rove  as  more  take  up  the  =0Aidea  = ....... could  HDSDR have  its  own  driver  =0Aco= de  block  .......... Ive  noticed there  is a  = =0Aroutine  that  some  times  appears  that = =0A'purges'  the  device  ......now  if that  cou= ld  =0Abe  run at   will  , that  would = be a big  =0Ahelp, to  recover  a  locked   = system
=0A
 
=0A
73 -G.
=0A
=0A=
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From: M0FMT
=0A<= div>Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM
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Subjec= t: Re: LF: SDR programs
=0A

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=0A
Hi Bob
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=0A
If you are directi= ng that mail to me then you need to look at earlier =0Aposts.
= =0A
 
=0A
However if you are a cheque = book Ham then it will be of little =0Ainterest to you.
=0A 
=0A
You say dangle we say dongle..... := -0
=0A
 
=0A
These are TV = front ends that use the SDR principle and plug straight =0Ainto your USB po= rt on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving local =0Adigital TV and= radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in the US and =0Athey can= be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. If I need to =0At= ell you more please ask but this is all in public domain on the web (but no= t in =0AHam mags, at least not in UK). I have played with these things for = about 6 =0Amonths now and for a few quid (dollars) are fun. If you bui= ld a simple up =0Aconverter with a say a 60meg LO guess what, you have an a= ll band HF radio =0Aas well.
=0A
 =0A
Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting= at below?? =0AWe are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars.
=0A 
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A=
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: "ries= e-k3djc@juno.com" =0A<riese-k3djc@juno.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A19:= 34
Subject: Re: LF: SDR= =0Aprograms

=0A =0A
=EF=BB=BF= =0A=0A=0A
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=0A
Been Kinda out of= any loop on this  
=0A
 
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BUT
= =0A
 
=0A
if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb da= ngle witht he correct chip =0Aset
=0A
it will cover MF to HF using=   an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ
=0A
w= hich I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set =0AHDSDR=
=0A
will run that TV dangle as a HF radio
=0A
 = ;
=0A
??
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=0A
Bob K3DJC
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&= nbsp;
=0A
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" <= tracey.gardner@talkta= lk.net> =0Awrites:
=0A
=0A
Hello Pete
=0A  
=0A
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a r= elatively new kid on =0A the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from = Israel.
=0A
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a = direct sampling =0A digital down conversion SDR.
=0A
It covers = 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a =0A LAN inte= rface for remote access.
=0A
The best bit is that it costs just = over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT.
=0A
 
=0A
Y= ou can find more details here
=0A
 
=0A =0A
 
=0A =0A
 
=0A
I've no conn= ection other than being a satisfied customer.
=0A
 
= =0A
73s Tracey G5VU
=0A
=0A
----- =0A Original Message -----
=0A From: =0A M0FMT
=0A =0A
Sent: =0A Thursday, June 21, 2012= 9:55 PM
=0A
Subject: =0A Re: LF: SDR programs=
=0A

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=0A
Hi Mal
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The whole reason these things are getting so much attent= ion is the =0A price and the fact they are independent of a sound card o= r A/D =0A converter. They are not really suitable for or give = any advantage on LF =0A because you need an up converter in front. A Sof= trock SDR with a good sound =0A card will out perform these sticks at MF= /LF.IMHO I don't think its =0A worth persuing to be honest. However= I think with the DVB-T sticks people =0A have been opening them up to l= ook at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It =0A looks like they don't er= ase the markings like some well known LF TX suppiers =0A do. Oh and the = software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
=0A
73= es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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--435439028-1863597795-1340658147=:14634-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0BB003800009C; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbEI1-0003BE-7q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:08:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbEI0-0003B5-R7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:08:28 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbEHz-0002lH-3L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:08:27 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9852AC7A0 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:08:25 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 105qFcRiw9120M01; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:08:22 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.3] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID138qFcRiw7358X01; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:08:22 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.3 IN dibene@usa.net imap03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID138qFcRiw7358X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.22.185] by imap03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 579qFcRiV6816M23; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:08:22 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.22.185 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FCB9A03.8080802@usa.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:08:19 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> In-Reply-To: <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-0, 06/03/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID579qFcRiw6816X23 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 6/3/2012 6:56 PM, Tony wrote: Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.31 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:420035904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fcb9a3e2962 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none On 6/3/2012 6:56 PM, Tony wrote:
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Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
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Can't the same be done also by the Blacksheep moderator (or administrator, if this term is more acceptable) ?
Censorship (or the lack of thereof) does not depend on the technical substrate, but just on the person who
has the authority to perform it.

73=A0 Alberto=A0 I2PHD

 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9D4C4380000B8; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SchDh-0003zn-2M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:14:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SchDg-0003ze-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:14:04 +0100 Received: from mailout07.t-online.de ([194.25.134.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SchDe-0003Vh-Pb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:14:03 +0100 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de (fwd04.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout07.t-online.de with smtp id 1SchDd-0003as-Bd; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:14:01 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.32] (XKjSt2ZOghtk8rP6brelVOoCNP-psgzkvZefOjr1azE4QLunaIzOjaRgWe-nR1Jw8L@[79.237.174.216]) by fwd04.t-online.de with esmtp id 1SchDc-0dqAKm0; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:14:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To:<4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 07 Jun 2012 18:14 GMT Message-ID: <1SchDc-0dqAKm0@fwd04.t-online.de> X-ID: XKjSt2ZOghtk8rP6brelVOoCNP-psgzkvZefOjr1azE4QLunaIzOjaRgWe-nR1Jw8L X-TOI-MSGID: 3dcce7a7-9d99-435b-8ca3-6b4b2e49c325 X-RFC2822-Warning: Obsolete format in Date: header X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Stefan, this is the first time I tried to copy You on LF. Your signal is clearly audible in JN68GN, eastern Bavaria, S-Meter showing S3, even during thunderstorm crashes. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.83 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: bb61bee384896e075004ae5ec954ddd2 Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:393926208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fd0efa0668f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Stefan, this is the first time I tried to copy You on LF. Your signal is clearly audible in JN68GN, eastern Bavaria, S-Meter showing S3, even during thunderstorm crashes. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Stefan Schfer" schrieb: > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a > challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo > against the QRN :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 > so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 624A9380000B4; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 19:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbKRZ-0006ym-7b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 00:42:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbKRY-0006yd-QK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 00:42:44 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbKRX-00041G-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 00:42:43 +0100 Received: by obfk16 with SMTP id k16so15878998obf.16 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:42:41 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aOtnZnJN8dTiHFLeWe1Ft85eznwUZQGX7QZtc/usrHk=; b=H8Gy5g5FoZvt0eTXi5Em/0C9Z7wzcMopLlPBo97FwxzWByMN4pXYaqTrDegOW1UP6+ y7wzgCKEZGzBhRAHWUXgv3HzdvobO0UUzGtSp8j9l+BMgyXPwgZB8qVARSnqpncwzLsU fUPSlytp1/gPZN9JhoxwjYTOmKXmtMPujWSsvFnBVNUV2hvrFRfJaXXmZpY+bXEa4t3R tRIiJP7AQU/8r1Z2UYS0jbCQTAr2caV3Tx5O9reTdIzuilrF4vWiSr0G+4IkR+u2W+ia HN6fQmZuwrYD89gxhLfImE4IwjPLG8m9e+QqyWxTuu0tAWnr/DhaC50yLjNY8JiGZxPk doOQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.207.41 with SMTP id lt9mr9998936obc.41.1338766961245; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.57.131 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:42:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCBC03A.60402@toya.net.pl> References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCBC03A.60402@toya.net.pl> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:42:41 +1000 Message-ID: From: Dimitrios Tsifakis To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: When I was young, I used to send back attached .doc or .xls files with the excuse that I don't use Microsoft products on my computer, which wasn't even a PC. I pissed off many people by telling them that sending Microsoft formatted files is not politically correct and it is also rude to make assumptions about the recipient's computer system. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dtsifakis[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 0b2d339ae1d48966556dfb6ad64e2bce Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452148800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m009.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fcbf6bc62ae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none When I was young, I used to send back attached .doc or .xls files with the excuse that I don't use Microsoft products on my computer, which wasn't even a PC. I pissed off many people by telling them that sending Microsoft formatted files is not politically correct and it is also rude to make assumptions about the recipient's computer system. Now I just open them with openoffice (or whatever else will open them) and don't even blink an eye. It's funny how time changes things. On the yahoo/blacksheep question, I am subscribed to both as there are emails on both that are worth reading. I don't like yahoo, google and the rest but here I am, using a gmail address and admitting it works fine, after I realised how unreliable my ISP delivering mail. A practical or lazy solution has won over a more ethical one. 73, Dimitris VK1SV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB0F338000086; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 05:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShHI8-0001SL-N8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:33:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShHI7-0001SC-Uf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:33:35 +0100 Received: from mail-ey0-f171.google.com ([209.85.215.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShHI6-0001Ne-MW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:33:34 +0100 Received: by eaaa12 with SMTP id a12so3937326eaa.16 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:33:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :x-gm-message-state; bh=80y4CqdHr3SQLOu85pPCpdz7GLPlIN/BzZqgDIhpd6A=; b=TgYsRo1qunTj2iOb67eGPOQrmMMbAlHM73pku3BTngstycEtXnyod55DxbS6nBXUJB MHOVw9DvAycjRQj0QoPxMlbeVTwRBKIbJzt37db2OzMdn1XvbK7K6Ygjx17jssIn/rmd BBAxcSmwfx7Bf/k3HInquQQAOIFDGElpqUQ7Hax8hx+KG37h1V1szRYbdizsKOUnufaP U7tdWbxCCrurmKqLVX1lZkSBv3Fea7F6B3i/uNMizBhucFD9BYIuMvHVC09eMQdglIVT eOZQNtvfO+0ciOKPMQFOslM9IDTYrcBHBJaYtay8aWO5ePz6I17J4mtk4eiy1U0ODg9d 0RzQ== Received: by 10.14.22.5 with SMTP id s5mr4732076ees.226.1340184813551; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.22.5 with SMTP id s5mr4732071ees.226.1340184813009; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Win7Pro (host81-132-147-218.range81-132.btcentralplus.com. [81.132.147.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c51sm87877364eei.12.2012.06.20.02.33.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:33:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry GW0EZY To: References: <001301cd4e34$2b7e5d20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1F8C967534E6433CBD24066385E3B577@lindavideo> In-Reply-To: <1F8C967534E6433CBD24066385E3B577@lindavideo> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:33:26 +0100 Message-ID: <002a01cd4ec7$bf995d50$3ecc17f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1ONDK7PlPrmaWyQaq1IpqknhtI1AALjdugABjJ/WA= Content-Language: en-gb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmdVzwRYwDrrPgbz+HEoEg46Afy89j1m/XezUh9w5vNF2JEr3tc+iQAtUBNTGfNozMy/lnc1+pdYZZ3DrQjJ53Bhq6o5g== Subject: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Emailing: hay 032 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01CD4ED0.215DC550" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_COMMENT_8BITS, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML, WEIRD_QUOTING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81606 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:435598880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m013.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844fe1992822bb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CD4ED0.215DC550 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002C_01CD4ED0.215DC550" ------=_NextPart_001_002C_01CD4ED0.215DC550 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_002_002D_01CD4ED0.215DC550" ------=_NextPart_002_002D_01CD4ED0.215DC550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The new-fangled method for hay-baling uses plastic sheet which comes rolled-up on large plastic tubes 770mm length, 90mm diameter 8mm wall thickness. Piles of them are often found discarded in the corners of fields. They look like handy LF coil formers? 73 Terry GW0EZY From: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [mailto:rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 19 June 2012 22:33 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Subject: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Emailing: hay 032 Hi Mal I can remember when baling straw with a static baler we used wire to tie the bales with not this new fangled string, you need wire cutters when you opened the bales for bedding in the winter. 73s Ken M0KHW _____ From: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [mailto:rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 19 June 2012 16:57 To: rsgb Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Emailing: hay 032 Antenna Hay day support mast for end of 500 Khz 1/4 wave inv L antenna West g3kev __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new topic Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity: . New Members 2 . 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The new-fangled method for hay-baling uses plastic sheet which comes = rolled-up on large plastic tubes 770mm length, 90mm diameter 8mm wall = thickness. Piles of them are often found discarded in the corners of = fields. They look like handy LF coil formers?

 

73 Terry GW0EZY

 

From:= rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk [mailto:rsgb_lf_group@yaho= ogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: 19 June 2012 = 22:33
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk
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Hi= Mal

I = can remember when baling straw with a static baler we used wire to tie = the bales with not this new fangled string, you need wire cutters when = you opened the bales for bedding in the winter.

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From:= = rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk [mailto:rsgb_lf_group@yaho= ogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 19 = June 2012 16:57
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(VPS 120621-1, 21/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, this is a function of propagation, I think. It depends on where the interference originates. Because there is virtually no skywave propagation in the "sunrise dip", no noise is propagated by skywave (> 1000km) from the east. Where you live you have large cities all round you. We get this effect on the edge of Europe as the daylight kills the night-time propgation of noise fron the East (there a few big cities or industrial noise sources for 3000 km W of Ireland :-)) ) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.233 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: Re: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446485152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m019.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fe3b28f0b3b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, this is a function of propagation, I think. It depends on where the interference originates. Because there is virtually no skywave propagation in the "sunrise dip", no noise is propagated by skywave (> 1000km) from the east. Where you live you have large cities all round you. We get this effect on the edge of Europe as the daylight kills the night-time propgation of noise fron the East (there a few big cities or industrial noise sources for 3000 km W of Ireland :-)) ) It was thought at first that this would be the best time for DX, but despite trying it didnt work out that way. Mike G3XDV and Brian CT1DRP tried quite hard..... but eventually made the qso mid morning, when the noise was up again due to increases in daytime skywave!! That is if I remember correctly.....it fascinated me as I was just getting interested in LF long distance propagation around then. We found evening effects in Nova Scotia and I believe similar effects were reported by John W1TAG and Jay W1VD who are very close to the US East Coast. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: ; "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D." Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:22 PM Subject: LF: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes > Hello Martin, LF, > > I'm fascinated by the noise drop on LF which occurs during your sunrise. > On your grabber > (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), i can see > the noise drops 15 dB within 20 minutes. That means the sun must be very > strong so the ionosphere is very quickly ionized. Also the local lightning > density must be extreme. All in all it looks like a very sensitive system. > But some directivity would be interesting :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > PS: I will be on 136.172 kHz again this night, starting in a few > minutes... > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1F75B38000084; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SapSb-0007at-3i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:37:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SapSa-0007ak-CN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:37:44 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SapSY-0005vi-N8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:37:43 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q52EbfX7014907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:37:42 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q52Ebf1M011916 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:37:41 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA24DD.8080509@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:36:13 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7F143.7080106@psk31.plus.com> <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> <4FC9C37B.10501@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <4FC9C37B.10501@freenet.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Wolf, LF, I'm greatly looking forward to this new SL version! Please tell us when it is finished! This would allow me to run the grabbers much more flexible and use a single PC in the shack on the roof, with reduced CPU load. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Re: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437745216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4fca257437d1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror Hi Wolf, LF, I'm greatly looking forward to this new SL version! Please tell us when it is finished! This would allow me to run the grabbers much more flexible and use a single PC in the shack on the roof, with reduced CPU load. Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 02.06.2012 09:40, schrieb wolf_dl4yhf: > Hello Peter, > > At the moment multiple running instances of SL don't "talk to each > other" about the sample rate, even if they use the same audio device > for input. > In future versions, it will be possible to have the first instance > running as 'master', providing a resampled(!) audio stream for all > other instances. Those 'slave'-instances don't connect directly to the > soundcard, but to the first running instance. I am not sure about how > to connect the instances yet (via shared memory, or -even better- via > TCP/IP so the slaves could run on physically different PCs if necessary). > > All the best, > Wolf . > > Am 01.06.2012 20:50, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: >> Hello... >> >> I was wondering the following: >> >> I have here 4x Spectrum Lab task running at one PC to serve my >> SUB9KHz grabber page at www.qsl.net/pa1sdb >> I use that Sampling Rate detector in all 4 Spectrum Lab tasks. >> Is that OK, or need I only one Sampling Rate detector that >> callibrates the other 3 tasks to ? >> (one master - 3 clients without that SR cal active) >> >> 73's Peter - PA1SDB >> >> >> >> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C476738000119; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Schbf-00049z-4g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:38:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Schbe-00049q-Gu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:38:50 +0100 Received: from nm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.71]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Schbb-0003fO-I8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:38:49 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.234] by nm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2012 18:38:46 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.118] by tm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2012 18:38:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2012 18:38:46 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 316805.58165.bm@omp1027.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 68004 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2012 18:38:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1339094326; bh=nzu7QLyc+pfHrFDD0PRBMGXf1KU1CfudykLLxXpNPws=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hFeNjmQCbD6xfuqd3MopL92CeYwKA7sfNNzxlp8SOfSdViJvxwNVK0FSXd+PpWxJxbvEhMP3F80lhuDOo3MswvAzlptwEdECndHdpqSk7ojitw50AhUSNFhpQu4A17m7ZQTFS+RosJFeln8Z1nwCECoIwkbTRU801gE/hqBBWsY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K/IugfjQra5TlkH8tEwGrSRvIvBg1wOCE8zXPpW8FKSuWwXDtqqq51LZJXPolX8wz95m8No2puCIwB+TuwcMjUX9iMa6Eg4m0vmYYr+3U7pAVTfdETtQU/uwItwiF5R1+cPuK8SpYGEt5btQ99JmcKskj4nD+LOLxk8iANSOEiE=; X-YMail-OSG: Ba9O8r8VM1n8MZBRwrsRF0dpNoNiuxY290mgj97SkAnvDqX VTfp7uV5A Received: from [86.161.212.205] by web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:38:45 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> Message-ID: <1339094325.66258.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:38:45 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jan This an apology but your information about Monaco has to be of interest to all LF so I have publisher the PDF on the Yahoo Group file. With credits to you, thanks. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: pa3abk To: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 18:57 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.71 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10 BODY: Message is 5% to 10% HTML obfuscation 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c40596c1cc3306f1877076595a921c57 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1480543034-1339094325=:66258" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466333344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m022.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fd0f5744a94 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1480543034-1339094325=:66258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jan=0A=A0=0AThis an apology but your information about Monaco has to be = of interest to all LF so I have publisher the PDF on the Yahoo Group file. = With credits to you, thanks.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A______= __________________________=0A From: pa3abk =0ATo: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 18:57=0ASubject: Re:= LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz=0A =0AStefan,=0AI have experience as a "former" user= of 500kHz.=0AUnder certain conditions there are "ducts" which enables you = with low power to cover large distances.=0AOne of my favourites was EU to B= razil. Mostly in the last watch Northsea traffic was loud and clear audible= off coast Rio.=0AThis condition could last for hours. You could contact th= e EU coaststation rather easy on their working channels=A0 with 250W shipst= x.=0AHowever high QRN in Brazil is rather problematic but sometimes the con= dx coincided with low QRN.=0AOffshore,=A0 QRN can be considerable less.=0AI= experienced these "tunnels" also between LA & Hawaii and LA & New Zealand.= =0ALeaving Red Sea Indian Ocean to Perth radio was also a nice link. (7000k= m!)=0AAt that time I consider it as "normal" not realising that nowadays th= ese are remarkable events if you put in hamradio perspective.=0A=0ABTW unde= rstand that Monaco seems to be 1st official country on 472kHz as from 18/5-= 2012.=0Ahttp://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticl= e&id=3D993:claude-passet&catid=3D53:spectrum=0A=0AHopefully all EU countrie= s implement=A0 this new QRG at the same time, otherwise you must keep a dat= abase in order to know were to listen for which country.=0ASomewhere from 4= 39-510kHz.=0AEU and making decisions together worries me.=0AJan/pa3abk=0A= =0A=0AOn 7-6-2012 12:45, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:=0A> Hi Joe, LF,=0A> =0A> Y= es, we're here of course :-)=0A> Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF= . My RX is home made and vy narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable R= X in some time.=0A> BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happe= ns to them when the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an ex= tended frequency range then or will you have to QSY?=0A> And what about the= chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? Would it be possible to = have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance?=0A> It would be possible for me t= o radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitat= ion, this may become a problem...=0A> =0A> 73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A> =0A> =0A> A= m 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:=0A>> =0A>> Hopefully someone wil= l read this on Baa Baa....=0A>> =0A>> The beacon is running on a new freque= ncy with a CW ID and=0A>> a 10 second carrier.=A0 Reports most welcomed.=0A= >> =0A>> 73=0A>> Joe VO1NA=0A>> =0A>> This electronic communication is gove= rned by the terms and conditions at=0A>> http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/elec= tronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A-- pa3abk<->= =A0 dordrecht jo21it --435439028-1480543034-1339094325=:66258 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jan
=
 
This an apology but your information about Monaco has to be of in= terest to all LF so I have publisher the PDF on the Yahoo Group file. With credits to you, thanks.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: pa3abk <pa3abk@kpnmail.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 18:57<= br> Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz

Stefan,
I have exp= erience as a "former" user of 500kHz.
Under certain conditions there are= "ducts" which enables you with low power to cover large distances.
One = of my favourites was EU to Brazil. Mostly in the last watch Northsea traffic was loud and clear audible= off coast Rio.
This condition could last for hours. You could contact t= he EU coaststation rather easy on their= working channels  with 250W s= hipstx.
However high QRN<= /span> in Brazil is rather problematic but sometimes the condx coincided with low QRN.
Offshore,  QRN can be considerable less.
I experienced these = "tunnels" also between LA & Hawaii and LA & New Zealand.
Leaving Red Sea Indian Ocean to Per= th radio was also a nice link. (7000km!)
At that time I consider it as "= normal" not realising that nowadays these are remarkable events if you put = in hamradio perspective.
=
BTW understand that Monaco seems to be 1st official country on 472kHz a= s from 18/5-2012.
http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle&= amp;id=3D993:claude-passet&catid=3D53:spectrum

Hopefully all EU count= ries implement  this new QRG at the same time, otherwise you must keep a database in order to know= were to listen for which country.
Somewhere from 439-510kHz.
EU and = making decisions together worries me.
Jan/pa3abk


On 7-6-2012 12:45, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
> Hi Joe, LF,
&g= t;
> Yes, we're here of course :-)
> Unfortunately i still can= not receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time.
> BTW, wh= at about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when the new 475= kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended frequency range then= or will you have to QSY?> And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? = Would it be possible to have a CW Q= SO over that 4400 km distance?
> It would be possible for me t= o radiate 1 kW ERP on that b= and, however with a 1W (EIRP= of course) limitation, this may become a problem...
>
> 73, S= tefan/DK7FC
>
>
> Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:
>> =
>> Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa....
>> >> The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and
>= ;> a 10 second carrier.  Reports most welcomed.
>>
>= ;> 73
>> Joe VO1= NA
>>
>> This electronic communication is governed by th= e terms and conditions at
>> http:/= /www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php <= br>>
>


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--435439028-1480543034-1339094325=:66258-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 20D4B380000C7; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfvae-0007MG-41 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:11:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfvad-0007M7-N5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:11:07 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfvab-0002fx-W0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:11:06 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GGB5l9013668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:11:05 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GGB506023557 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:11:05 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:09:23 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> In-Reply-To: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thank you Graham, eh i mean G.., Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the range... Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 32d4aaaf019758ff5a0d8e92eec683e6 Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090801000906060003020804" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:409642176:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fdcb04a5f1e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090801000906060003020804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Graham, eh i mean G.., Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the range... Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham: > Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... ! > Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft > can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise > .should work ? > G.. > http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ --------------090801000906060003020804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,

Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the range...

Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the  Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  477  via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  , but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
--------------090801000906060003020804-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 644EB38000093; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbD0J-0001fR-KM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:46:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbD0I-0001fI-Vz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:46:06 +0100 Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbD0G-0002Fj-Q1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:46:05 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:46:04 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.225] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:46:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:46:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 189868.76704.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 38745 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2012 15:46:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=XpIOIDqkGlrO/yZqe2w5CvcOKhgxTcRCSXeG2vX9BDdTbIm2xvxOhB25dVaLlPWYbkBd3EU+PBuT+jb/HwBwMP4vi+9+GFrxHKtScveuHCBepb+ZaCCZssMAN2y2rKEmgOHzpNkhELhp/69M5EpU8mGaWIM57RJ7jhNKKCRg1gY= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1338738364; bh=uMZ11C1tvN4v5sjx1CkpjIuWinstKtZjiwwNqnfZIHc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=jQ/1ZAd4iCcuOOJq538kLNjfvZodC3CA0rOdiH4USC3dfcNy/Ien7Q+DVDtwqJMPnhD/Fz1wqMhtgzEClUOPZ0cjDLc5UKHY6mHzHh96zyK7w0deL+uvsDxFdFMfci5qAmbFtHB1Kl/UAPkYWx94rZlrdSbN+ZQkgHwdKN7Poxs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: yt4tToUVM1kLY3mJU4D_OsnmBsA8B3sMiGTBNiamcOs6XeX d65SJpR15zeVCvtkHqCuhTYTASCzGyLqvqUorYdIFKDmhK9ZMciFx_rGtbk. 6udh94nJE.dE3nwA6hjod6EhRWufMC7XW67ldzEcS7K2RJmOquETHoHzB.7A JU_Pi3xwqWpczrnCg_1EWd649zgJjMQIT31cUTEUgkpWUXiw5lPrJeZIrqPy j6kYlu36BgnVaeSQUJmnHlaCnCNV2knqJgVfV.uTAM5CtO9w60AQYLL7qszm paRxade3ZjENMMicm_kZvEmEjRvbE5AT.WkhpTMDJQHeOdAwB8YqC4wBmZZC p0Q_wvVRhiNPOAW4pJdTXiqAKNsK7Tt8yyfT9vL5kmkJYRJK37oZN1hANnby V9Gyl1M_zY0viJu4hQD0XBibkR1Q8hsMEaxwePjhNyo0awMVQymQ5qIcXs4. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes Graham, quite right. I would not join just to vote then try to remove my information. I have had this problem in the past and don't want it again - you think you have done everything to delete your details from a group, and they tell you it is so, but strangely you still keep receiving messages, invites and so on. It seems you can never totally erase account details, whatever they might say. This whole situation is most unsatisfactory and very annoying. Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:29 PM Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 75bd9e83b9a4dd6aff3296cebc5bb885 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,GET_STARTED_NOW autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466365792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m247.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4fcb86f91dd6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes Graham, quite right. I would not join just to vote then try to remove my information. I have had this problem in the past and don't want it again - you think you have done everything to delete your details from a group, and they tell you it is so, but strangely you still keep receiving messages, invites and so on. It seems you can never totally erase account details, whatever they might say. This whole situation is most unsatisfactory and very annoying. Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:29 PM Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo > group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , so > this should exclude your vote from the poll .... > > G. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "pws" > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > >> John, >> >> You wrote: >>> ... >>> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >>> how do you want to continue? >>> >>> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >>> o With the Blacksheep.org list >>> o Both lists >>> >>> >>> To vote, please visit the following web page: >>> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 >> >> I got what expected: >> """ >> To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable Web >> Access. >> >> With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, links, >> message archive search, and more! >> >> Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group >> >> If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web >> Access and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. >> >> To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". >> >> Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? >> If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now. >> """ >> >> No, thanks! >> I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. That's all. >> >> Peter, df3lp >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 97C5838000096; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgOIB-0007kY-Gu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:49:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgOIB-0007kP-4v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:49:59 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgOI9-0000By-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:49:58 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5HMntGD003509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:49:55 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5HMnt8Q018789 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:49:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again, listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else wants to try. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: ddae800c6581715278ab3184b42d46db Subject: LF: Now again on 477.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:409182560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174fde5f5604d4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again, listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else wants to try. Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9DE1F38000102; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkG8T-0006Ts-Kw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:55:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkG8T-0006Tj-14 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:55:57 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkG8R-00035h-5p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:55:55 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5SEtrq6021469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:55:53 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5SEtrfZ000365 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:55:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEC7008.9010001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:54:00 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1474092.1340466836144.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1340474829.4474.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340892687.85075.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340892873.80692.YahooMailNeo@web29505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340892873.80692.YahooMailNeo@web29505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Daniele. If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer works well. Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively coupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes directly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an oscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns to get a maximum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly depends on the position of this secondary winding on the coil. The impedance becomes lower when you come closer to the center of the rod. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b4085bc26841e34d79a2f3beb8f287b1 Subject: Re: LF: Coupling a LF resonant ferrite rx antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020201070307090805000807" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:421486784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fec70c01612 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020201070307090805000807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele. If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer works well. Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively coupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes directly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an oscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns to get a maximum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly depends on the position of this secondary winding on the coil. The impedance becomes lower when you come closer to the center of the rod. The will affect the Q of the resonated system. So you may build an arrangement which allows you to move and fix the secondary coil on the rod. If the signal is strong enough, maybe from a nearby BCD station, you can reduce the "gain" a bit. I have done it similarly with my active ferrite antenna, see https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 28.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Daniele Tincani: > Hello LF, > it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 turns > of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling and > peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning > range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower > frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have > only made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the > internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the > antenna suitable also for direct connection with a 50 ohm input. What > do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or a buffer amplifier > (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it advisable to use > the main coil as the primary winding? > 73 > Daniele IZ5WWB --------------020201070307090805000807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele.

If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer works well.

Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively coupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes directly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an oscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns to get a maximum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly depends on the position of this secondary winding on the coil. The impedance becomes lower when you come closer to the center of the rod.

The will affect the Q of the resonated system. So you may build an arrangement which allows you to move and fix the secondary coil on the rod. If the signal is strong enough, maybe from a nearby BCD station, you can reduce the "gain" a bit. I have done it similarly with my active ferrite antenna, see https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 28.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Daniele Tincani:
Hello LF,
 
it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 turns of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have only made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct connection with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it advisable to use the main coil as the primary winding?
 
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 
--------------020201070307090805000807-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EABC838000099; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Seuv1-0004yC-Gz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:15:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Seuv1-0004y3-3L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:15:59 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Seuuz-00069i-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:15:57 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5DLFsPs004213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:15:54 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5DLFsCX004709 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:15:54 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD902A7.8000609@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:14:15 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4379ED2AAB4@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> <4DF9EFD1.5010208@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1313780109.51443.YahooMailNeo@web111907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9CD1E11E8BC9402CB4AECECAC4088443@JimPC> <1314394178.5030.YahooMailNeo@web111905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1314641183.5605.YahooMailNeo@web111910.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E5CBC9A.5020900@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1314705226.37125.YahooMailNeo@web111901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E5CF192.3040905@legal-medicine.de> <1317076720.22768.YahooMailNeo@web29509.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1317077173.13177.YahooMailNeo@web29509.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1317119515.35504.YahooMailNeo@web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <97A4CD4629F94A90A7F5AFD6E2A17E73@JimPC> <1317287203.84598.YahooMailNeo@web29516.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1339618104.65016.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1339618104.65016.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Daniele, I didn't study all the details that graph is offering but from the recent reports of my beacon signal from YO/4X1RF and RN3AGC i can confirm that there are nights in June that are at least as good as nights in December! At least in that range, < 3000 km. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fb3e28a759dea7e01d34d3fe7de7ae98 Subject: Re: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040706070908060109000301" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448543712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fd903436c9b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040706070908060109000301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele, I didn't study all the details that graph is offering but from the recent reports of my beacon signal from YO/4X1RF and RN3AGC i can confirm that there are nights in June that are at least as good as nights in December! At least in that range, < 3000 km. 73, Stefan Am 13.06.2012 22:08, schrieb Daniele Tincani: > Hello LF, > looking at this very interesting graph: > http://df3lp.de/misc/hga22/ > my understanding is that summer nights - though shorter than winter > ones - could be better for reception of LF signals in terms of signal > strenght. Is this conclusion correct? > Thanks > 73 > D. --------------040706070908060109000301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele,

I didn't study all the details that graph is offering but from the recent reports of my beacon signal from YO/4X1RF and RN3AGC i can confirm that there are nights in June that are at least as good as nights in December! At least in that range, < 3000 km.

73, Stefan



Am 13.06.2012 22:08, schrieb Daniele Tincani:
 
Hello LF,
 
looking at this very interesting graph:
 
 
my understanding is that summer nights - though shorter than winter ones - could be better for reception of LF signals in terms of signal strenght. Is this conclusion correct?
 
Thanks
73
D.
 
--------------040706070908060109000301-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9EA3838000088; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgycf-0003jK-V4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:37:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgycf-0003jB-Hl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:37:33 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sgycd-00045Q-Q5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:37:32 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgkFAMt/4E9Olqs+/2dsb2JhbABFoAQDlUyBCA+CCQEBBQhBDQIGJgEEBQMDBA0DAQEBCiUzBhYIBhMICYd+uUSLL4J+gjtgA4gQhTSXXoJh X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,437,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542334143" Received: from host-78-150-171-62.as13285.net (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.150.171.62]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 14:37:30 +0100 Message-ID: <4ED454405DBF49DB9245AA09607234DD@TraceyPC> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <003201cd4e1f$dbced390$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <003201cd4e1f$dbced390$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:37:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello mal That's from Darlowo in Poland, a military airfield I believe and the NDB is activated when required. It's just over 700 miles from me and is always a good signal. 73s Tracey [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: ebba021850e0a5d4120636e52401e975 Subject: LF: Re: SA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05F8_01CD4E29.0C808F70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:458989984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fe080cc3268 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05F8_01CD4E29.0C808F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello mal That's from Darlowo in Poland, a military airfield I believe and the NDB = is activated when required. It's just over 700 miles from me and is always a good signal. 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: LF: SA SA beacon audible at present on 472.5 approx. good signal g3kev No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2437/5078 - Release Date: = 06/18/12 ------=_NextPart_000_05F8_01CD4E29.0C808F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello mal
 
That's from Darlowo in Poland, a military airfield I believe and = the NDB is=20 activated when required.
It's just over 700 miles from me and is always a good signal.
 
73s Tracey
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 2:31=20 PM
Subject: LF: SA

SA beacon audible at present on 472.5 = approx. good=20 signal
g3kev
 

No virus found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.2177 / = Virus=20 Database: 2437/5078 - Release Date: = 06/18/12

------=_NextPart_000_05F8_01CD4E29.0C808F70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CAA483800009F; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScbWx-0001OZ-DU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:09:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScbWx-0001OQ-0s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:09:35 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScbWu-0001TQ-Rq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:09:33 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q57C9VqA002461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:09:31 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57C9VIY028891 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:09:31 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD0999E.3080206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:07:58 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> In-Reply-To: <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I only heared some rumours about the permission starting January, 1st, 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is given out on the Ham Radio 2012 (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php) , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more realistic. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 87966b345956c8ef3389b993f6a18f4e Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:405682304:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4fd09a351928 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I only heared some rumours about the permission starting January, 1st, 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is given out on the Ham Radio 2012 (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php) , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more realistic. Time to build a suitable loading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH only... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) > granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ? > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. > > 73 > > Ben From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 62719380000C9; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiocW-0006cA-EF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:21:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiocV-0006c1-L8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:20:59 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiocS-0002Kt-8O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:20:58 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAD0w509cHYH5/2dsb2JhbABEtXeBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAhkTAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd+t3WLM4YCA4gVhTaXZIJfgV8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,467,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542907420" Received: from host-92-29-129-249.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.249]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2012 16:20:38 +0100 Message-ID: <005101cd521c$e7403880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003f01cd5215$5690bf50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE72612.3070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:20:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan I only work LF and MF CW around EU and only use QRSS for DX when necessary. I also get many private emails about activities on LF/MF from those who do not want to be reflector members and there are PLENTY I get more reports and comments privately than via the reflector. There were 3 stations active this morning on MF and NONE are reflector members !!! I have worked them many times on cw This is a busy time of year for me outside also BBQ'S etc but the wx has been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ yesterday evening. The Moscow grabber is useful and I was visible early last nite around 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening up. later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 for me but I went QRT getting too late and I am always in the shack when the TX is on always hoping for a QSO NO Beacon [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: ad9c0e3658f56f4dbb01cd425a6a8031 Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD521C.E7070010" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494384768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fe730a3458b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD521C.E7070010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan I only work LF and MF CW around EU and only use QRSS for DX when = necessary. I also get many private emails about activities on LF/MF from those who = do not want to be reflector members and there are PLENTY I get more reports and comments privately than via the reflector.=20 There were 3 stations active this morning on MF and NONE are reflector = members !!! I have worked them many times on cw This is a busy time of year for me outside also BBQ'S etc but the wx has = been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ yesterday evening. The Moscow grabber is useful and I was visible early last nite around = 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening up. later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 for me but I went QRT getting = too late and I am always in the shack when the TX is on always hoping for a QSO NO Beacon 73 de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few = are listening or transmitting. I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these days = i think... even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for you, sri ;-) Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have = advantages. Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all of = Germany would be calling. I'm not in Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, like = in the last evenings. BTW i got several reports by email from people who aren't member of = the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for home = constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many newcomers on the = band. We have to supply them by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned.. I'm going to play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to become = a full size dipole for 630m :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD521C.E7070010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
I only work LF and MF CW around EU and only = use QRSS=20 for DX when necessary.
I also get many private emails about activities = on LF/MF=20 from those who do not want to be reflector members and there are=20 PLENTY
I get more reports and comments privately than = via the=20 reflector.
There were 3 stations active this morning on MF = and NONE=20 are reflector members !!!  I have worked them many times on = cw
This is a busy time of year for me outside also = BBQ'S etc=20 but the wx has been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ yesterday=20 evening.
The Moscow grabber is useful and I was visible = early last=20 nite around 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening = up.
later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 for = me but=20 I went QRT getting too late and I am always in the shack when the TX is=20 on
always hoping for a QSO
NO Beacon
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 = 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF


Am 24.06.2012 16:26, = schrieb mal=20 hamilton:=20
At this time of year there is propagation on = both LF=20 es MF but few are listening or transmitting.
 
I've been = calling=20 several times today but people prefer BBQ these days i = think...

even the majority of DX grabbers are = switched=20 off
My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for = you, sri=20 ;-)

Lack of activity is the problem although the = winter=20 does have advantages.
Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 = - 479. I=20 thought all of Germany would be = calling.
I'm not in=20 Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, like in the = last=20 evenings.

BTW i got several reports by email from people who = aren't=20 member of the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for = home=20 constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many newcomers on the = band.=20 We have to supply them by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned..
I'm = going to=20 play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to become a full size = dipole=20 for 630m :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD521C.E7070010-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 141873800008A; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiBnN-0008FX-4m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:53:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiBnM-0008FO-M5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:53:36 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiBnK-0002lW-Th for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:53:35 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5MLrX7Q030839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:53:34 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5MLrXDM026483 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:53:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE4E8F2.4010204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:51:46 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4E6E0AD4.4838.465714@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <1315833746.18312.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4FE4E3E2.8030209@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340401559.71504.YahooMailNeo@web29501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340401559.71504.YahooMailNeo@web29501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Daniele, My very congratulations! I hope you will enjoy the hobby from the transmit site too! Is it a "full" licence or are you limited to some band and certain power levels? I would be happy to have a QSO some day with you. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 318d3d373f5ffaa82e0969bd1985b258 Subject: LF: Re: IZ5WWB Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080909060700030707050103" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:365001984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fe4e9916249 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080909060700030707050103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5MLrX7Q030839 Hi Daniele, My very congratulations! I hope you will enjoy the hobby from the=20 transmit site too! Is it a "full" licence or are you limited to some=20 band and certain power levels? I would be happy to have a QSO some day with you. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 22.06.2012 23:45, schrieb Daniele Tincani: > Hello Stefan, I got a callsign in Feb this year, so it is pretty new.=20 > Only little activity on VHF repeaters so far, plus plans for=20 > attempting QRP /p on 20m. Free time is tight and new ideas to=20 > experiment with seem to never stop... :-) > 73 > Daniele IZ5WWB > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > *Da:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *A:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Inviato:* Venerd=EC 22 Giugno 2012 23:30 > *Oggetto:* Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? > > Hi Daniele, > > I think the others have already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ). > But what i want to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio=20 > call? I've never heared from it so far. Or is it new? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 22.06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tincani: >> >> 73 >> Daniele IZ5WWB > > --------------080909060700030707050103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele,

My very congratulations! I hope you will enjoy the hobby from the transmit site too! Is it a "full" licence or are you limited to some band and certain power levels?
I would be happy to have a QSO some day with you.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 22.06.2012 23:45, schrieb Daniele Tincani:
Hello Stefan, I got a callsign in Feb this year, so it is pretty new. Only little activity on VHF repeaters so far, plus plans for attempting QRP /p on 20m. Free time is tight and new ideas to experiment with seem to never stop... :-)
73
Daniele IZ5WWB

Da: Stefan Schäfer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Inviato: Venerdì 22 Giugno 2012 23:30
Oggetto: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?

Hi Daniele,

I think the others have already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ).
But what i want to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio call? I've never heared from it so far. Or is it new?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 22.06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tincani:

73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 


--------------080909060700030707050103-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 88A37380000A8; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScfzU-0003IG-F1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:55:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScfzU-0003I7-2j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:55:20 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScfzS-00033Q-Al for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:55:18 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p548D32A0.dip.t-dialin.net [84.141.50.160]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M6K9X-1RkH7I3fx5-00yKQb; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:55:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD0DCF4.7020406@legal-medicine.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:55:16 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:OpVr3xOn1wlSNZBvCN8N8MVdXK4Rr8yyrIKIecLIIS9 LGL1OC+YfZLxC2ufcZiA5RiNhWjFy5bP0fS5G+5ROzeQiNF/DV OsdxEnMN+5P+ARUbBYA3wBxcirV8S0PrdK1uQXMk+IvY3jDoAU wIf8yGWhfqqxt5a64ZQvUOHSyJV54AyW0fjK6SMXnvMM4RFjul DJi2dnIZKSMzUQeuC4RWlqMAbn4zrdLnQUw4qXyVCR4y/oVFl7 cv2pHzo3YuYYirbbdsQ0Y9Yw6Pf9XfVJbvKPUu/UvrvHgT5sST Kc03MrjkpW6sDCKJTER0F8fHaoRBDYuk9Dpi8vnhPraEPWuHBK acSLCKSBt3JVdw+qMK1qNwqM0HzG9lvQhYYki2SCo X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, You wrote: >... > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. > ... Horrible strong here at Kiel, 54N/10E. Up to 30dB above noise... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 1f795a2ee1ecd56682b47ad11969b3d3 Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:387116832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fd0dd263987 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, You wrote: >... > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. > ... Horrible strong here at Kiel, 54N/10E. Up to 30dB above noise... Rig: INA111 balanced E-field probe, 2x30cm, Homebrewed downconverter to baseband. Screenshot there: http://www.df3lp.de/misc/DK7FC_2012-06-07_16:39s.png Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B8DB938000081; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfDQA-0007ZA-4A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:01:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfDQ9-0007Z1-Nt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:01:21 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfDQ8-0001lr-4w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:01:20 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq0GAPUX2k9cF/A+/2dsb2JhbABFg0GcJwOVUIEIgg8EFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEGAR05AQQaBiQdAQICAQGHfphRoTaRQwOIDoUyl12CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,411,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="389672821" Received: from host-92-23-240-62.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.62]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jun 2012 18:01:19 +0100 Message-ID: <006201cd4a4f$514d88c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:59:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: LF/MF It would appear that all the action regarding MF acty alerts, valve technology, and other useful info is taking place on BLACKSHEEEP and all the trivial persuits appear on Yahoo de mal/g3kev LF/MF [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: LF: Action LF.MF ES TECH Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01CD4A4F.2012D7B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:428005056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554fda194e3f8b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CD4A4F.2012D7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF/MF It would appear that all the action regarding MF acty alerts, valve = technology, and other useful info is taking place on BLACKSHEEEP and all the trivial persuits appear on Yahoo de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CD4A4F.2012D7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF/MF
It would appear that all the action regarding MF = acty alerts, valve technology, and other useful info is taking = place on=20 BLACKSHEEEP
and all the trivial persuits appear on = Yahoo
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CD4A4F.2012D7B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 919C53800009B; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbg1m-000844-NO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:45:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbg1m-00083v-5C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:45:34 +0100 Received: from relay2.ptmail.sapo.pt ([212.55.154.22] helo=sapo.pt) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbg1j-00007i-UP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:45:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 3498 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2012 22:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sapo.pt) (10.134.37.165) by relay2 with SMTP; 4 Jun 2012 22:45:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 27380 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2012 22:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO QuadCore) (hpessoa@sapo.pt@[85.240.177.177]) (envelope-sender ) by mta15 (qmail-ptmail-1.0.0) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 4 Jun 2012 22:45:29 -0000 Message-ID: <5C4D56A53B0C4C0EA0398366592D0A69@QuadCore> From: "Henrique Pessoa" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:45:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Wise words spoken here 73, Henrique /CT1HX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.55.154.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (hpessoa[at]sapo.pt) -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493782816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554fcd3ae45b84 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Wise words spoken here 73, Henrique /CT1HX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep > Hi Clive, LF, > > For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo > account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the > pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that > there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in > this process. > > My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. > As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has > to win and the other will be shut down after some time. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: >> If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting >> period ends. >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA6F4380000B1; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 07:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbs9s-0003yG-66 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:42:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbs9r-0003y7-NR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:42:43 +0100 Received: from mail-ee0-f43.google.com ([74.125.83.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbs9p-0001rd-9o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:42:42 +0100 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50so2882234eek.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:42:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=9YSTZpM9YuZMxQpkRFAP9QzfWduXMI6/AtEBLU0NvMM=; b=cFs2Fk4BI6rNInQGEZp3kla0Ns7KZ8vMP2y8TCSs5l+IOgrNz/5mzpSA3gRe7+uTOY iifo3kzb7unhSmyvlhqDVkygv4oiCn0UufaJobGkZ3UfxQsWpqWAvd08KgvcACAx+9uh e+a2BguTA/Vmv0ih9ALtoshJ1YxDZhTGLtvwd8hiX54k/dVatkL0fobD+gLh1AuyUwM5 DmMfgKn2+8J+seDGm/qQe0AutDKD+qPx3v6Xc2WqZwJ3DuuLXjL8bGP9C7ZB2+7/2zRM pe0V3Vilnm8qmYvv+e8+pHI/dk/Z/g5HSfb6rBwNNyEXgeeKf0ZvyHqrcqjcQpmjpt+5 85ZQ== Received: by 10.14.94.194 with SMTP id n42mr6991202eef.24.1338896560476; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stbryant-mac2.lan (dyn45-155.adsl.bogons.net. [85.158.45.155]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g51sm5088784eea.14.2012.06.05.04.42.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FCDF0AD.3080005@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:42:37 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: mal hamilton References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net><4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de><4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net><77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk><517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk><4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><016101cd427d$7f76f4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002d01cd42fd$900c80b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCDD3D6.9000308@g3ysx.org.uk> <005201cd4308$96ffd380$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <005201cd4308$96ffd380$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlHw5b7xYMmjGe0ksgRVrPMvALlCi1jP5a5L5xWbCq/Q20RouKgz2JttIMgnWNn9OB1aL2H X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Mal I am not sure what you are doing but talktalk works just fine for me as a yahoo email address: Here it is in the archive: [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.83.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: ad8e5dd63f7497fd9d71d15044db2e2b Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461168576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m242.1 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4fcdf0e623e3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Mal I am not sure what you are doing but talktalk works just fine for me as a yahoo email address: Here it is in the archive: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/message/240 And here is what I got on the talktalk a/c -----Original Message----- From: g3ysx@talktalk.net To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 12:34 Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep I set up my talktalk a/c, added it to my yahoo email set, verified it, changed rsgb_lf_group to use it, and am now sending a msg using it, let's see what happens? Stewart with a t/G3YSX ======== I think that verifies that there are no problems using a talktalk email address on rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk 73 Stewart with a t/G3YSX On 05/06/2012 11:47, mal hamilton wrote: > Steward > I have already done that and still no good. I do not want to change my > normal talktalk email address and I am afraid this could happen and cause > even more confusion > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stewart Bryant" > To: > Cc: "mal hamilton" > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep > > >> On 05/06/2012 10:28, mal hamilton wrote: >>> John >>> My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com >>> This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get >>> anything from the list on the left of page. >>> de mal/g3kev >> >> >> Mal >> >> Login to yahoo and go to here >> >> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join >> >> >> Look for (Add new email address) and click - you may need to log in again. >> >> Add your talktalk email address >> >> Go back to >> >> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join >> >> the talktalk address should now be listed >> >> Select the radio button next to it >> >> Select the other options you want in steps 2 and 3 below >> >> Select save changes >> >> Now the yahoo group email will go to your talktalk a/c. >> >> 73 >> >> Stewart/G3YSX >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 25BAC380000A2; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 05:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbpff-0002RA-Ae for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:03:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbpfe-0002R1-MA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:03:22 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbpfc-0001JY-0Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:03:21 +0100 Received: by obfk16 with SMTP id k16so20448379obf.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 02:03:17 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LmTsCRf7Mb0LRr7eHx2pgVF/21tU7Y08R3fKBWcfrkM=; b=p9HXlULMCg/KodI1vclQfH37mvbMv0LgsJDy3fCggLjjnlFfwhzZGqtzrFASijfwnW Yt/NZ9jyT36YAr77N5Fke8xpTO36JS+b+1UNDMhSRH83zve3K3WtdlXBLbHJBOIcFSU3 fF9dNX+fntD9Dr1t2B9nw6pAVLj9WGS2KB2AOMlzf5BDvOOeIv+3rQnPGyzZKh2p4Ket IjLkmIGe3Q/91Cw5Jl8b+47Dy5dodmH3khTaG+FF3xCkO2s3xD4jo0NzYSACbekVTlWc ffYCUKckFl/xZmqT9uYyhnFSJWEMjHnFvgL45/hfnfkOifbLa8NFxM2RWShd8e6jv7aH Y2og== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.25.164 with SMTP id d4mr14968766oeg.26.1338886997568; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 02:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 02:03:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCCD2B9.1030408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCCD2B9.1030408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:03:17 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported before. Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes both ways. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 7a302ec14fb4a62f16f049454b6dc54d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c1d6e26dd604c1b5eb46 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:506389376:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m410.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4fcdcba66683 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8ff1c1d6e26dd604c1b5eb46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported before. Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes both ways. I don't really want to administer two groups, especially this one as it's cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to effectively take away a facility that a few people use really effectively. I have to admit that I can't understand what the fuss is about and moreso the poor behaviour by a few; it's just doesn't match with the ethos of amateur radio. I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used for QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the more technical discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the additional facilities. Short-term information of this sort isn't wanted by everyone and doesn't need to be searched after the event, so having two lists for the different functions has some logic. Stefan, I'll try and do the right thing - hopefully, some clarity will come when the emotion runs its course. 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 16:22, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > ** > Hello John, > > Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to > be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the > yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the > "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again... > > Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so > fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF > group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex fo= r > a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So their > opinion will be ignored! > > Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only me > who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group, although = we > are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party (in a fair pol= l) > would be only 20%, would you shut them down? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould: > > Stefan, > > I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo > account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that > worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your > Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by on= e > of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. > > I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on > the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer < > Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote: > >> Hi Clive, LF, >> >> For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo >> account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the >> pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that >> there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate i= n >> this process. >> >> My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. >> As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one ha= s >> to win and the other will be shut down after some time. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: >> >>> If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting >>> period ends. >>> >>> >> >> > --e89a8ff1c1d6e26dd604c1b5eb46 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Stefan,

Sorry that you weren't able t= o vote - very odd - not had that reported before.

= Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't v= ote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes b= oth ways. =A0

I don't really want to administer two groups, espec= ially this one as it's cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to e= ffectively take away a facility that a few people use really effectively. = =A0I have to admit that I can't understand what the fuss is about and m= oreso the poor behaviour by a few; it's just doesn't match with the= ethos of amateur radio.

I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list c= ould be used for QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the m= ore technical discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the additio= nal facilities. =A0Short-term information of this sort isn't wanted by = everyone and doesn't need to be searched after the event, so having two= lists for the different functions has some logic.

Stefan, =A0I'll try and do the right thing - hopefu= lly, some clarity will come when the emotion runs its course. =A0

73 John, G3WKL
On 4 June 2012= 16:22, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de> wrote:
=20 =20
Hello John,

Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again...

Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored!

Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group, although we are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party (in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you shut them down?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould:
Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. =A0I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =A0

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =A0

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
Hi Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends.
=A0



--e89a8ff1c1d6e26dd604c1b5eb46-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 213CB380000AA; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 11:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfuic-0006zM-IQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:15:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfuib-0006zD-W9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:15:17 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfuiZ-0002S7-Ei for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:15:16 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GFFEnP025283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:15:14 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GFFEwB021822 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:15:14 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCA29C.3010809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:32 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Alex and Gary, Thank you for the service. Most apprechiated! 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b08ad821341ca291e1fd930f7b9292d3 Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabbers and RN3AUS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000202080302090304020308" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450550368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608c4fdca33d5a8d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000202080302090304020308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Alex and Gary, Thank you for the service. Most apprechiated! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 16:23, schrieb Alex K: > Hello LF! > My grabber in KO85HA is on-line (at this night): http://rn3aus-lf-grabber.narod.ru > 73 de rn3aus/Alex Am 16.06.2012 14:01, schrieb Gary G4WGT: > Hi All, > > Just to let you know.....It's all systems go for the "G4WGT Grabbers" > at :- > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT --------------000202080302090304020308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Alex and Gary,

Thank you for the service. Most apprechiated!

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 16.06.2012 16:23, schrieb Alex K: 
Hello LF!
My grabber in KO85HA is on-line (at this night): http://rn3aus-lf-grabber.narod.ru
73 de rn3aus/Alex

Am 16.06.2012 14:01, schrieb Gary G4WGT:
Hi All,
 
Just to let you know.....It's all systems go for the "G4WGT Grabbers" at :-
 
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html
 
73,
 
Gary - G4WGT
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Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan bin Deiner Meinung, weiter so. 73' Herbert/DG3MDE Gesendet: Sonntag, 03. Juni 2012 um 13:17 Uhr Von: "Stefan Schäfer" An: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.72.192.247 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dg3mde[at]web.de) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.7 MPART_ALT_DIFF BODY: HTML and text parts are different 1.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts 0.0 MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI Multipart message only has text/html MIME parts X-Scan-Signature: 29f208b223fe7a2cb359508e38e2ea2d Subject: Aw: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=sgnirkm-952833ec-2571-4cf8-8758-95c9fcb16523 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_ONLY,MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440862496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fcb4de94e09 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --sgnirkm-952833ec-2571-4cf8-8758-95c9fcb16523 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
  Stefan bin Deiner Meinung, weiter so.

 73' Herbert/DG3MDE

Gesendet: Sonntag, 03. Juni 2012 um 13:17 Uhr
Von: "Stefan Schäfer" <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status
Dear John, LF,

Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following.

I agree with Peter stated below and also unsubsribed from the yahoo group 2 days ago.

There are some arguments that i want to add. Of course these arguments are not acepted to be serious from the pro-change-party. Probably they will not even take the time to read and try to understand a different way of thinking.

In this change progress i missed fundamental democratic steps! We have been growing as ONE GROUP here, so it is a PITY that a small fraction has now splitted the group and talks now in a very bad way about the "old blacksheep" reflector. We should have moved as ONE GROUP as well! 155 members in one week at yahoo is much. But how many have been subsribed to blacksheep? Sure, most of the TOP20 posters and many experts have moved. But there has been a party ("An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE") that suggested the change. Some have agreed and some have disagreed. But the majority didn't state anything. Someone could have been in holidays (or still is) and never got the chance for codetermination! BTW no one has had the chance for codermination. There was no vote, maybe in form of a doodle voting. What we saw is that the pro change party accomplished you to start the new group and make an announcement about it here in the group. And then you added a very important subordinate clause:


I propose to keep this blacksheep.org list going short-term until we see how people adapt to the new online list.
This formulation is here in Germany very well know from the politicans, who often describe a situation and there proposed solution as "alternativlos" (without an alternative). I think THIS is why so many moved to yahoo, they simply think they have no chance to participate what will be done (like in politics!!).

So, John,  what is if we have been 300 members here at blacksheep, or 1000? Some have very valuable comments from time to time but they stay in the background for most of the time. If you actually shut down this reflector and we loose say 10 % of members (i think it will be more), is that a good decision? I think we should have some respect of what was achieved here on this adress! We are THE LF reflector and not an ordinary yahoo group, one of 10000s...

Let me show you an analogy to this reflector. The SAQ transmitter. There are several people who enjoy each transmission, every year, since many years.
The SAQ transmitter is world cultural heritage and many have respect about that old stuff and what was achieved in the past!
Imagine someone would come and say "PLEASE CAN WE HAVE A NEW SAQ TRANSMITTER" He states the following arguments:
The current SAQ transmitter:
-is old
-is heavy
-is loud
-is low efficient
-is unstable in frequency
-cannot be operated by anyone in any mode
-needs a long time to be ready to push the PTT
-has problems to easily find replacement parts
-has had a failure some months back

A new SAQ transmitter has the following advantages:
-silent
-high efficient class E PA
-flexible operation
-several new protection circuits making high availability

etc. etc...
Real arguments, right? So why not throwing the old one on the junk yard and arrange a new one? No, never! Because the transmitter is a part of the history that has been so fascinating. If a small group of the SAQ club actually reach to do that step, many of the members would go for ever! This is what's going on here now!

A SHAME!

There are some features stated by the pro change party why it is worth to move to yahoo, like the permanent storage of files on the yahoo server. But take a look at the development of HDD size of a standard PC and the data transfer rate of internet connections in the last 10 years. So how can the storage of simple emails and some images be a real problem in these days? If it is a problem in these days, it must have been impossible 10 years ago.

Furthermore, i see the email exchange here as a more private thing, more like a closed group. Just a subjective feeling. On yahoo, it is official in the web, visible for everyone. That's not the same, that's not fine! Maybe no problem for those who jump arround in 10s of other yahoo groups but i prefer personal contacts.

I'm sure there are many who will not comment on the current situation. You see, the comments are coming from less than 30 people. But be sure the group will loose some members!
If you think that is worth to do what's going on here, then do what you think to have to do.

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 03.06.2012 10:37, schrieb pws:
To John, G3WKL,

Please do NOT shut down this reflector.

1. It's active in positive sense.

2. There are too many hams here who say
"no thanks!" to that advertisement driven
Brave New World were each posting will be
"googleable" for ever. Me too.

That's the reason I unsubscribed from
some Yapoo-Groups recently.

73 Peter, df3lp


  

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could be   503.275  ?   +/-   a=20 bit  !
 
G.

Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at = all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 = 1:21=20 PM
Subject: LF: beacon on = 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 = 11:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: Re : LF:=20 DK7FC_in_JN88KS

Tnx to all for the ongoing reports.

To avoid=20 misunderstandings, the CW beacon is generated in Heidelberg from my = normal=20 antenna. Here in the fieldday camp ther is no place for an aerial (! = :-) )=20 that can radiate such a signal. To many trees and no good earth is = available.=20 I'm just steering the TX via a wireless internet link to the grabber = PC...=20
Unfortunately the data rate is much lower now so i cannot stop the = beacon,=20 or don't want to risk problems when contacting the grabber PC. So i'm = not in=20 the situation to have a QSO unfortunately. I'll stop the beacon in the = evening...
No uploads any more to the temporary grabber page from=20 here.

Anyway, congrats to the others who managed CW contacts = today!=20 Sounds like an active weekend. And i'm looking forward to the new = stations who=20 will appear soon on the band.

73, = Stefan/DK7FC
 

Am=20 09.06.2012 11:49, schrieb f4dtl@aol.com:=20
Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, = attached my=20 screen capture.
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas


-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
A:=20 _RSGB_LF <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org>
Envoy=C3=A9=20 le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39
Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS

Hello Stefan, LF!=20
I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, = S/N more=20 than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station = :-)
RST =3D 599 UFB

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS


Hello Markus,=20

Oh, that looks nice, thanks for the info. I already thought that = i=20 probably still have much to learn about SpecLab.
Well, i don't use = an IQ=20 input here, that's why SDRadio is not my choice anyway ( i thought it = can be=20 configured for an mono input).

Now i'm running the "SAQrcvr1.usr". Looks promising = BUT:=20 How do i have to program (interpreter commands) SpecLab so that i can = move the=20 filter over the band with the scroll wheel of the mouse? Maybe = interesting for=20 others as well, so i'm asking here...

73, = Stefan/DK7FC


Am=20 20.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester:=20
Hi Stefan,
 
as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, = you=20 can define a marker which lets you pull the = FFT filter=20 frequency with the mouse.
 
In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the = FFT filter used to=20 crash with complex I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the = recent=20 b08. Thanks Wolf, works like a charm ;-)
 
Best 73,
Markus
 

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD4F33.65CEA3E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F37D93800010E; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh3nh-0005QO-0u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:09:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh3nf-0005QF-Iy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:09:15 +0100 Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com ([64.136.55.36]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh3nZ-0005n4-6y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:09:14 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=juno.com Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1340132946; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Content-Type:From:Message-Id; b=HXBWcdOYZSow/iTFqJEVIrh9ZLSMsoumjgY3r0yuALwN22BnnqQgXcbsY2E1rkn4M G8oGtq9pmg0VaBqpVWQqPxmKi896oAiv9VLt4noYKRyodwagUZntbknxNBt9bMVHMC yPNABcBa988Hk+yYnFWK2Vp3CE22DnxLWhbg0isc= Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (mailpop07.vgs.untd.com [10.181.45.27]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABH8BVS3A44TGUS for (sender ); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:08:09 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewPi9U0BlsTlCXoUpNGs4NZfPOz7Um7tXsw== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by mailpop07.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SBMRB37D; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:07:22 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:57:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Email Client 8.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-21 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com Message-Id: <20120619.120722.1661.612898@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 498 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3132941295 X-MAIL-INFO:121941e949618ded0cedd1a9250959010d4d4591b520b57de1356031098d7991e43950f9 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.45.27|mailpop07.vgs.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sometimes there are dead snake heads sticking out ?? Bob K3DJC On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:35:59 -0400 Dexter McIntyre W4DEX writes: > mal hamilton wrote: > > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > > > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. Hay > > bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have loaded > hay > bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for live > snake > heads sticking out of the bales :) > > Dex > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.136.55.36 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (riese-k3djc[at]juno.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_JUNO_RCVD,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437883392:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d226.1 ; domain : juno.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cd4fe0cea972e5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Sometimes there are dead snake heads sticking out ?? Bob K3DJC On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:35:59 -0400 Dexter McIntyre W4DEX writes: > mal hamilton wrote: > > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > > > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. Hay > > bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have loaded > hay > bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for live > snake > heads sticking out of the bales :) > > Dex > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A9D50380000A0; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYp9-0004ZI-V4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:04:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYp9-0004Z9-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:04:03 +0100 Received: from mail-gh0-f171.google.com ([209.85.160.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbYp7-0007Gm-L9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:04:02 +0100 Received: by ghy10 with SMTP id 10so4460528ghy.16 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:03:59 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MmcRnud4iESMAzXEsVrrWZvj7jj3DoDwCplypbz9BR4=; b=A4ASRZs+PLHlcYq5ZithkPWW1rjgc9yr4gxiZppaiq5oN2mhYpdwQ/hxdE5ekc8cg9 noq18cP98hc6LW3iNsGE2hqRXKyUA/MG3/XyeWmtY95rY0emRtCM8lohLZJ6gqX2h6p4 Oeg9sq3n0d4xrz7gY+I3shwN7tUkFCFEVMp9w+Z6XdZuZnKUxIWs0482Om/DHhmTlIoq rw6fdES1xlyevFvSe2rSuHBxjwXiGH/wutfC1h1mgJXuhvKsQSGe1apzwVIvwf7b2cc7 zc+IeiQsji2ManiQgBRtmOa8gZPolaL4tCWELtJv7OTVAKZ9ew5Q6b1RNMzrSWj4/gQD UG5A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.14.169 with SMTP id q9mr12430416oec.19.1338822239432; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:03:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:03:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.160.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: bf9cd6b3d49c805062abf73a1027fea8 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1ee0effb06504c1a6d76e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494691360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fccce8f252a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8fb1ee0effb06504c1a6d76e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Hi Clive, LF, > > For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo > account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the > pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that > there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in > this process. > > My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. > As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has > to win and the other will be shut down after some time. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: > >> If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting >> period ends. >> >> > > --e89a8fb1ee0effb06504c1a6d76e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that o= ne needs a yahoo account. =A0I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my G= mail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_= Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be au= thorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =A0

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy t= o set up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how = they voted. =A0

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefe= r@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
Hi Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo acco= unt it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo= party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are fur= ther members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.<= br>
My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As= long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to = win and the other will be shut down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting peri= od ends.
=A0


--e89a8fb1ee0effb06504c1a6d76e-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E4726380000D6; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfzST-0000az-GJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:18:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfzSS-0000aq-Vs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:18:56 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfzSR-0003fx-BW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:18:55 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P8Ju1j0064U6hVe038Ju8p; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:18:54 +0200 Message-ID: <79A6EC5BC7054A26A50E518F45583A7A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:18:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-1, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 505 ?? This is out side the UK /EU band 501 > 504 ....... 502 or 502.5 is a good Rx qrg ? G.. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: bde53fa3678f346afe39dd99e3e185db Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A7_01CD4C05.A206E240" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:439951872:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844fdcea6e2bd1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01CD4C05.A206E240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 505 ?? This is out side the UK /EU band 501 > 504 ....... 502 or = 502.5 is a good Rx qrg ? =20 G.. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:01 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz MF,=20 Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter = in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the = input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much = better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still = not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. My TX is ready as well. I will call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for = skeds! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the = RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try. Starting now! 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01CD4C05.A206E240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
505 ??
 
This  is  out  side the  UK /EU  = band  501=20 > 504   .......  502 or  502.5  is  = a =20 good  Rx   qrg ? 
 
G..

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:01 PM
Subject: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz

MF,

Now my RX and active antenna is much better = after=20 adding a band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was = an=20 overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX = performs=20 much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, = still not=20 sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal.

My TX is ready = as well.=20 I will call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds! I can = receive on=20 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX already attenuate the = region=20 by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try.

Starting now!

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC
------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01CD4C05.A206E240-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8400338000082; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh8lv-00083R-5A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:27:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh8lu-00083I-Mm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:27:46 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh8ls-0007X3-KO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:27:45 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5K0RhBf010010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:27:44 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5K0RhKp032766 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:27:43 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE11896.9000002@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:25:58 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1340140395.2026.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340140395.2026.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mike, Thanks for the infos. I've never seen an email from you here, so probably you are focusing on MF rather than on LF? Am 19.06.2012 23:13, schrieb Mike Thayne: > Hello Stefan, > My 500 transmit set up has been dismantled for some time. I achieved only > local QSO's up to 225 miles due entirely to my very small antenna in my very > small garden. What were the aerial dimensions? How much wire in which height? Which loss resistance and RF power did you use? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 195b836cb7437e99aa05107459888659 Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC on 473.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:477285344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4fe11932460b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Mike, Thanks for the infos. I've never seen an email from you here, so probably you are focusing on MF rather than on LF? Am 19.06.2012 23:13, schrieb Mike Thayne: > Hello Stefan, > My 500 transmit set up has been dismantled for some time. I achieved only > local QSO's up to 225 miles due entirely to my very small antenna in my very > small garden. What were the aerial dimensions? How much wire in which height? Which loss resistance and RF power did you use? > As Mal once said to me I need to move house! Well that is not > possible but I could go /p and I have been following all your activities to > learn from your experiences. Oh, i'm glad. Thanks, very kind. Well, i think a 300m kite antenna is not necessary although it would be interesting to couple the TX in a Zepp- or Fuchskreis- configuration (you know?) since it is a 1/2 wave vertical then :-) No earth would be needed and you could use it on /m as well, HI. I personally think that a real full size dipole could be very interesting. 2x 150m is handy and quickly hung up in a forest. Sure, the efficiency wil lbe low but... you know, worth to try! It would be a fine RX antenna, due to the low noise location... We have discussed this in the eginning of the VLF times (earth antenna) and it was a good fun just to try what comes out. On MF you will need some height above ground of course. But if you can manage to get an average height of say 10m my guess would be that this will work well, i.e. a few % efficiency. Maybe others want to comment? :-) > I am also encouraged by Finbar EI0CF, who has > achieved great success on 500 portable as well as from his home QTH. > > I am a technician not an Engineer or Scientist (ex. marine R/O) but I can > reproduce ideas from others so I am a keen observer and one of the many "silent" > members learning from the group. > That sounds good! I think there are much more observers here than one would expect. > Close to the North Sea my /p activity will take advantage of that, > rather than forests. > Oh, ah, OK. So, anyway a kite? If you can drive to the sea with your car and have strong winds there i suggest to try this kite: http://www.funwithwind.com/TestKitchen/ContentPlus.asp?cmd=CONTENT&articleID=265, power sled 24. I'm using the power sled 36 and 81 here but on the sea the smaller one is the better choice i think... > Good luck on the new band and I hope to join you there live on air, in January > 2013. > 73, Mike, g3gms > R, OM. See you then! 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1EB75380000A6; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeW8s-0000a9-CM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:48:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeW8r-0000a0-9j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:48:37 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeW8m-0000Jj-K7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:48:36 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnAGABSO109Ok8sr/2dsb2JhbABFFoIvnRuRFYRAgQiCEwUBAQMCCAEBA0kCHBABAQMFAgEDBwoEAQEKFwEGBxQBBBoGDQkIBgoJCgECAgEBh2wDDwe5SIpFYgsQhXYDiA2FMpJehH2CYIFX X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,398,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395648451" Received: from host-78-147-203-43.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.203.43]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2012 19:48:30 +0100 Message-ID: <006a01cd48cb$f2e1aed0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <1339438549.67345.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <85F124CBD59C48FEB97567F3B69B2AC1@lindavideo> <1339499711.77638.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:48:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete es Co The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E and well designed would produce 70% efficiency. The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency if you are lucky. Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not careful about matching to load. I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for years. Fets are probably more manageable, compact and safer regarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high current, like an electric chair!! 73 de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 273334288f972e3b54f080bebb9ff763 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD48CB.F0E828C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:500569600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fd78f705846 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD48CB.F0E828C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete es Co The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E and = well designed would produce 70% efficiency. The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it = is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage = generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% = efficiency if you are lucky.=20 Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch = to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not = careful about matching to load. I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for = years. Fets are probably more manageable, compact and safer regarding = voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high = current, like an electric chair!! 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 AM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Ken I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes = than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I = won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency = output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an = amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low = resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well = into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is = barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in = terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying = to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive = frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain = will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor = will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide = I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you = are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there is = enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the = sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate = in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will = detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, = efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP = design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style = unobtainium in the components listing. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Ken To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd = order differential equations, partial integration and integration by = parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional = integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my = Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I = like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike = semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. 73s Ken M0KHW From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Class E etc Hi Ken=20 Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need = a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for = the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using a = FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the = FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with = accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate = voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for = transients, a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and = inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article = below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave = will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you = don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the = result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some = starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output = conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. = Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above = a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is = very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good = efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply = voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable = of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly = cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct = drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below = shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy = load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope = then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer = my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer = in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak = voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum = peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. = This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two = turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring = the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak. =20 Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work = well. Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers.=20 For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning = Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... = http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-powera= mps.pdf For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a = scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20 http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD48CB.F0E828C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pete es Co
The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can = get to=20 class D or E and well designed would produce 70% = efficiency.
The class D or E is not really an amplifier in = the=20 convential sense it is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest = and the=20 voltage generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably = 80% to 90%=20 efficiency if you are lucky.
Like some have said a tube amp is more robust = and tolerant=20 of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if = one is=20 not careful about matching to load.
I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and = they have=20 been going for years.
Fets are probably more manageable, compact =  and safer=20 regarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at = high=20 current, like an electric chair!!
73 de mal/g3kev
 
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Content preview: OK Peter went qrt nil hrd and now QRT for dinner will be back later. 73 gl mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:23 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Just read what you said Graham. Â HDSDR gives you 25kc/s bandwidth and if you envoke ECSS demodulation it will track the carrier frequency. However not checked how quickly this will lock with short terse overs from AC. [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.108.138 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 3b4b1bf305fe705b7eca23a46558778e Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1386533404-1127866929-1340670783=:23157" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484099360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d006.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174fe903902708 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1386533404-1127866929-1340670783=:23157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0A=0AJust read what you said Graham.=0A=C2=A0=0AHDSDR gives you 25kc/s = bandwidth and if you envoke ECSS demodulation it will track the carrier fre= quency. However not checked how quickly this will lock with short terse ove= rs from AC.=0A=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A____________________= ____________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 23:38=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR = programs=0A =0A=0A =0AR Pete =0A=0AAhh=C2=A0=C2=A0 By=C2=A0 split=C2=A0, = I mean the=C2=A0 anti-jam=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0Ain channel=C2=A0 split=C2=A0 , Whe= n=C2=A0 on the=C2=A0 same=C2=A0 frequency, =0Athe=C2=A0 ground=C2=A0 TX=C2= =A0 (used tobe ?)=C2=A0=C2=A0 off=C2=A0 set=C2=A0 =0Afrom the=C2=A0 aircraf= t=C2=A0 Tx=C2=A0 frequency=C2=A0=C2=A0, so=C2=A0 if =0Athe=C2=A0 Aircraft T= X jammed=C2=A0 'ON' then=C2=A0 other=C2=A0 aircraft=C2=A0 =0Acould=C2=A0 st= ill=C2=A0 receive=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 ground =C2=A0 , that=C2=A0 =0Awas=C2=A0 t= he=C2=A0 reason=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 wide=C2=A0 IF pass=C2=A0 bands =0Aand=C2=A0= keeping=C2=A0 to AM=C2=A0 for the=C2=A0 comm.'s ....=C2=A0 =0AMarine=C2=A0= coms=C2=A0 , adopted=C2=A0 FM ... =0A=0AThere is a=C2=A0 afc=C2=A0 for=C2= =A0 cw =0A=0A=0AOT ?=C2=A0 over the=C2=A0 top=C2=A0 more like ,=C2=A0 the= =C2=A0 disclaimer =0Aon the=C2=A0 yab-a-dab-a-doo=C2=A0 group=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = is bigger=C2=A0 than =0Athe=C2=A0 space=C2=A0 left=C2=A0 for the=C2=A0 mess= ages , I think the=C2=A0 =0Aname=C2=A0 Black-Sheep=C2=A0 seems=C2=A0 to=C2= =A0 be=C2=A0 quite=C2=A0 apt=C2=A0 =0Anow=C2=A0 !, =0A=0ABig-bang=C2=A0 , = according=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 my=C2=A0 arrl=C2=A0 hand=C2=A0 =0Abook , HF commun= ications=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 tend to=C2=A0 be=C2=A0 =0Aattenuated=C2=A0 in the= =C2=A0 direction=C2=A0 of the=C2=A0 burst=C2=A0 , =0Aassume=C2=A0 by=C2=A0 = producing=C2=A0 quite=C2=A0 a big=C2=A0 =0AFariday=C2=A0=C2=A0 screen , als= o=C2=A0 recommends=C2=A0 you=C2=A0 keep=C2=A0 =0Ayour=C2=A0 radio=C2=A0 in = a=C2=A0 metal=C2=A0 sweet tin ala=C2=A0=C2=A0 blue =0Apeter=C2=A0 garden != =C2=A0 =0A=0ADid=C2=A0 get=C2=A0 good=C2=A0 signals=C2=A0 on the=C2=A0 MW = on the=C2=A0 =0Away=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 work=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 France=C2=A0 durin= g=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 =0Aeclipse some=C2=A0 time=C2=A0 ago=C2=A0 , due to the= =C2=A0 lack=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 =0Aionisation =0A=0AG.. =0A=0A=0A =0AFrom: M0FM= T =0ASent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:02 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org =0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A =0AHi Graham =0A=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 = =0A............ to monitor off frequency nets and the tower/aircraft =0Aspl= it............... ? there is no split frequency working the Tower and =0AA/= C both use the=C2=A0same QRG its just that the A/C being at altitude=C2=A0c= an =0Abe heard the Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can not be= =0Aheard........ if thats what you ment. =0A=C2=A0 =0AI use the say (A) LO= for Approach and then say (B)=C2=A0LO for Tower =0Aso when the hand over f= rom Approach to Tower occures I merely click the =0Aappropriate LO=C2=A0A o= r B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well it is at Luton AP =0Aanyway. =0A=C2= =A0 =0ASorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector........ just as = =0Awell the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be getti= ng our =0Akeying fingers rapped!!!!!!=0A =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Graham =0A=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, = =0A21:19=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms=0A=0A=0AYes I think=C2=A0 Andy= =C2=A0 gave a talk=C2=A0 at the=C2=A0 egham=C2=A0 =0Aconvention=C2=A0 on us= ing=C2=A0=C2=A0 a/d=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 mobile=C2=A0 phones , =0Athe=C2=A0 new= =C2=A0 ones had the=C2=A0 extra=C2=A0 bits=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 give =0Athe=C2=A0= full=C2=A0 dynamic=C2=A0 range on=C2=A0 HF ..he=C2=A0 was=C2=A0 =0Ausing= =C2=A0=C2=A0 hardware=C2=A0 block=C2=A0 convertors ......... never=C2=A0 = =0Asaw=C2=A0 any=C2=A0 items=C2=A0 offered=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 sale=C2=A0 =0A..= ......only=C2=A0 some=C2=A0 very=C2=A0 high price=C2=A0 'HF rx'=C2=A0 =0Aus= ing=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 same=C2=A0 ideas=C2=A0 ...I think=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 =0Agi= ve=C2=A0 away=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 band=C2=A0 being=C2=A0 covered in = =0Afrequency=C2=A0=C2=A0 blocks , which I assume=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 down to=C2= =A0 =0Athe=C2=A0 down=C2=A0 convertors =0A=0ADont=C2=A0 think=C2=A0 he is= =C2=A0 monitoring=C2=A0 BS now , or=C2=A0 =0Awe=C2=A0 might=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 = got the=C2=A0 fill=C2=A0 in, but=C2=A0 one =0Athings=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 certain= , the =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle=C2=A0 has=C2=A0 =0Asaved=C2=A0 me=C2=A0 from= =C2=A0 buying=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 R7000 ...All we=C2=A0 =0Aneed=C2=A0 now=C2=A0 i= s=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 little=C2=A0 more=C2=A0 stability=C2=A0 in =0Athe=C2=A0=C2= =A0 control=C2=A0 software=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 wide-band=C2=A0 FM optio= n in=C2=A0 HDSDR=C2=A0 =0A=0AIm getting the=C2=A0 gb3ang=C2=A0=C2=A0 beaco= n=C2=A0 on=C2=A0 70 Mhz=C2=A0 =0Agood=C2=A0 signal=C2=A0 with=C2=A0 my indo= or=C2=A0=C2=A0 2 ele=C2=A0 quad =0A.......... the=C2=A0 PMR band=C2=A0 on= =C2=A0 446 Mhz=C2=A0 with the=C2=A0 =0Aco-linera=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 10 miles = away in liverpool=C2=A0 ssb on 144 MHz=C2=A0 =0Aetc=C2=A0 =0A=0ADefinable= =C2=A0 FM-AFC=C2=A0 (AND=C2=A0 AM) =C2=A0=C2=A0 would be handy=C2=A0 to=C2= =A0 monitor=C2=A0 off=C2=A0 =0Afrequency=C2=A0 nets=C2=A0 and the=C2=A0 tow= er/aircraft=C2=A0=C2=A0 split =0A=0AI think=C2=A0 possible=C2=A0 the=C2=A0= driver=C2=A0 software=C2=A0 =0Acould=C2=A0 improve=C2=A0 as=C2=A0 more=C2= =A0 take=C2=A0 up=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 =0Aidea=C2=A0 ....... could=C2=A0 HDSDR h= ave=C2=A0 its=C2=A0 own=C2=A0 driver=C2=A0 =0Acode=C2=A0 block=C2=A0 ......= .... Ive=C2=A0 noticed there=C2=A0 is a=C2=A0 =0Aroutine=C2=A0 that=C2=A0 s= ome=C2=A0 times=C2=A0 appears=C2=A0 that=C2=A0 =0A'purges'=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 = device=C2=A0 ......now=C2=A0 if that=C2=A0 could=C2=A0 =0Abe=C2=A0 run at= =C2=A0=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 , that=C2=A0 would=C2=A0 be a big=C2=A0 =0Ahelp, to= =C2=A0 recover=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 locked=C2=A0=C2=A0 system =0A=0A73 -G.=0A =0A= From: M0FMT =0ASent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A =0AHi Bob =0A=C2=A0 =0AI= f you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at earlier =0Apos= ts. =0A=C2=A0 =0AHowever if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of li= ttle =0Ainterest to you. =0A=C2=A0 =0AYou say dangle we say dongle..... :-= 0 =0A=C2=A0 =0AThese are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug = straight =0Ainto your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recie= ving local =0Adigital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are availab= le in the US and =0Athey can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7= gigs. If=C2=A0I need to =0Atell you more please ask but this is all in publ= ic domain on the web (but not in =0AHam mags, at least not in UK). I have p= layed with these things for about 6 =0Amonths now=C2=A0and for a few quid (= dollars) are fun. If you build a simple up =0Aconverter with a say a 60meg = LO guess what, you have an all band=C2=A0HF radio =0Aas well. =0A=C2=A0 =0A= Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? =0AWe = are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars. =0A=C2=A0 =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO= 91UX=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "riese-k3djc@juno.co= m" =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monda= y, 25 June 2012, =0A19:34=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms=0A=0A=0A=EF=BB= =BF =0A=0A=0ABeen Kinda out of any loop on this=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0ABUT =0A= =0Aif what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct chi= p =0Aset =0Ait will cover MF to HF using=C2=A0 an appropriate program. I us= e HDSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ =0Awhich I like for general reception. So by usin= g the proper chip set =0AHDSDR =0Awill run that TV dangle=C2=A0as a HF radi= o =0A=0A?? =0A=0ABob K3DJC =0A=0AOn Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey= Gardner" =0Awrites: =0AHello Pete =0A>=0A>If= we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on the= block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. =0A>It is what I will= refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling digital down conversion= SDR. =0A>It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and= has a LAN interface for remote access. =0A>The best bit is that it costs = just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT. =0A>=0A>You can find more details= here =0A>=0A>http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description =0A>=0A= >https://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b1022925e =0A>=0A>I've no connection othe= r than being a satisfied customer. =0A>=0A>73s Tracey G5VU =0A>----- Origi= nal Message ----- =0A>>From: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A>>Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: SDR progr= ams =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Mal =0A>>=0A>>The whole reason these things are gett= ing so much attention is the price and the fact they are independent of a = sound card or=C2=A0A/D converter.=C2=A0They are not really suitable for or= give any advantage on LF because you need an up converter in front. A Sof= trock SDR with a good sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IM= HO=C2=A0I don't think its worth persuing to be honest. However I think wit= h the DVB-T sticks people have been opening them up to look at the SMT chi= p marking if not sure. It looks like they don't erase the markings like so= me well known LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for= the RTL2832 chipset.=0A>> =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>__= ______________________________=0A>> =0A> --1386533404-1127866929-1340670783=:23157 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Just read what you said Graham.
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HDSDR gives you 25kc/s bandwidth and if you envoke ECSS demodula= tion it will track the carrier frequency. However not checked how quickly t= his will lock with short terse overs from AC.

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 23:38
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

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Ahh   By  split , I mean the  ant= i-jam   =0Ain channel  split  , When  on the = same  frequency, =0Athe  ground  TX  (used tobe ?)&nbs= p;  off  set  =0Afrom the  aircraft  Tx  freq= uency  , so  if =0Athe  Aircraft TX jammed  'ON' t= hen  other  aircraft  =0Acould  still  receive&nbs= p; the  ground   , that  =0Awas  the  reason = for  wide  IF pass  bands =0Aand  keeping  to AM&= nbsp; for the  comm.'s ....  =0AMarine  coms  , adopted=   FM ...
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OT ? = ; over the  top  more like ,  the  disclaimer =0Aon the=   yab-a-dab-a-doo  group    is bigger  than =0Athe=   space  left  for the  messages , I think the  = =0Aname  Black-Sheep  seems  to  be  quite  a= pt  =0Anow  !,
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Big-bang  ,= according  to  my  arrl  hand  =0Abook , HF commu= nications  will  tend to  be  =0Aattenuated  in th= e  direction  of the  burst  , =0Aassume  by = producing  quite  a big  =0AFariday   screen , al= so  recommends  you  keep  =0Ayour  radio  in= a  metal  sweet tin ala   blue =0Apeter  garden !=  
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Did  get  good  sig= nals  on the  MW on the  =0Away  to  work  fr= om  France  during  the  =0Aeclipse some  time&nbs= p; ago  , due to the  lack  of  =0Aionisation
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............ to monitor off frequen= cy nets and the tower/aircraft =0Asplit............... ? there is no sp= lit frequency working the Tower and =0AA/C both use the same QRG its j= ust that the A/C being at altitude can =0Abe heard the Tower being low= and beyond your radio horizon can not be =0Aheard........ if thats what yo= u ment.
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I use th= e say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B) LO for Tower =0Aso when the= hand over from Approach to Tower occures I merely click the =0Aappropriate= LO A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well it is at Luton AP =0Aanyw= ay.
=0A
 
=0A
Sorry wrong = end of the spectrum for this reflector........ just as =0Awell the RSGB att= ention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be getting our =0Akeying fin= gers rapped!!!!!!
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: Graham =0A<g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org =0A
Sent: Mond= ay, 25 June 2012, =0A21:19
Subject= : Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms

=0A =0A
=0A
=0A
Yes I think  Andy  gave a talk&nbs= p; at the  egham  =0Aconvention  on using   a/d&nb= sp; from  mobile  phones , =0Athe  new  ones had the&nb= sp; extra  bits  to  give =0Athe  full  dynamic&nb= sp; range on  HF ..he  was  =0Ausing   hardware&nb= sp; block  convertors ......... never  =0Asaw  any  ite= ms  offered  for  sale  =0A........only  some = ; very  high price  'HF rx'  =0Ausing  the  same&n= bsp; ideas  ...I think  the  =0Agive  away  is&nbs= p; the  band  being  covered in =0Afrequency   blo= cks , which I assume  is  down to  =0Athe  down  c= onvertors
=0A
 
=0A
Dont  think  he is&nb= sp; monitoring  BS now , or  =0Awe  might  of  got= the  fill  in, but  one =0Athings  is  certain, t= he =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle  has  =0Asaved  me  from&nb= sp; buying  a  R7000 ...All we  =0Aneed  now  is&n= bsp; a  little  more  stability  in =0Athe   = control  software  and  a  =0Awide-band  FM = option in  HDSDR 
=0A
 
=0A
Im ge= tting the  gb3ang   beacon  on  70 Mhz  =0Ago= od  signal  with  my indoor   2 ele  quad =0A= .......... the  PMR band  on  446 Mhz  with the  = =0Aco-linera  from  10 miles away in liverpool  ssb on 144 M= Hz  =0Aetc 
=0A
 
=0A
Defina= ble  FM-AFC  (AND  AM) =0A   would be hand= y  to  monitor  off  =0Afrequency  nets  and = the  tower/aircraft   split
=0A
 
=0AI think  possible  the  driver  software  =0Acou= ld  improve  as  more  take  up  the  = =0Aidea  ....... could  HDSDR have  its  own  driv= er  =0Acode  block  .......... Ive  noticed there = is a  =0Aroutine  that  some  times  appears = ; that  =0A'purges'  the  device  ......now  if th= at  could  =0Abe  run at   will  , that = would  be a big  =0Ahelp, to  recover  a  locked&= nbsp;  system
=0A
 
=0A
73 -G.
=0A=0A
=0A

=0A
=0A
<= span>Hi Bob
=0A
 
=0A
If y= ou are directing that mail to me then you need to look at earlier =0Aposts.=
=0A
 
=0A
However if you = are a cheque book Ham then it will be of little =0Ainterest to you. =
=0A
 
=0A
You say dangle we say = dongle..... :-0
=0A
 
=0A
= These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug straight =0Aint= o your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving local =0Ad= igital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in the US an= d =0Athey can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. If I= need to =0Atell you more please ask but this is all in public domain on th= e web (but not in =0AHam mags, at least not in UK). I have played with thes= e things for about 6 =0Amonths now and for a few quid (dollars) are fu= n. If you build a simple up =0Aconverter with a say a 60meg LO guess what, = you have an all band HF radio =0Aas well.
=0A
 
=0A
Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Trac= y was getting at below?? =0AWe are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars.
=0A
 
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: =0A"riese-k3djc@juno.com" <riese-k3djc@juno.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A
Sent: Monday, 25 Ju= ne 2012, =0A19:34
Subject:<= /b> Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms

=0A
=EF=BB=BF =0A=0A=0A
=0A
 
=0A
Been K= inda out of any loop on this  
=0A
 
=0A
= BUT
=0A
 
=0A
if what I read,, if I connect a TV tun= er usb dangle witht he correct chip =0Aset
=0A
it will cover MF to= HF using  an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ
= =0A
which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set= =0AHDSDR
=0A
will run that TV dangle as a HF radio
=0A<= div> 
=0A
??
=0A
 
=0A
Bob K3DJC
= =0A
 
=0A
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gard= ner" <tracey.gardn= er@talktalk.net> =0Awrites:
=0A
=0A
Hello Pete
= =0A
 
=0A
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, the= re is a relatively new kid on =0A the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-= Net from Israel.
=0A
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SD= R i.e. a direct sampling =0A digital down conversion SDR.
=0A
I= t covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a =0A = LAN interface for remote access.
=0A
The best bit is that it co= sts just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT.
=0A
 
= =0A
You can find more details here
=0A
 
=0A http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-desc= ription
=0A
 
=0A =0A
 
=0A
I'= ve no connection other than being a satisfied customer.
=0A
&nbs= p;
=0A
73s Tracey G5VU
=0A
=0A
----- =0A Original Message -----
=0A=
From: =0A M0FMT
=0A = =0A
Sent: =0A Thursday, June = 21, 2012 9:55 PM
=0A
Subject: =0A Re: LF: SDR = programs
=0A

=0A
=0A
Hi Mal
=0A  
=0A
The whole reason these things are getting so muc= h attention is the =0A price and the fact they are independent of a soun= d card or A/D =0A converter. They are not really suitable for = or give any advantage on LF =0A because you need an up converter in fron= t. A Softrock SDR with a good sound =0A card will out perform these stic= ks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its =0A worth persuing to be honest.= However I think with the DVB-T sticks people =0A have been opening them= up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It =0A looks like they = don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX suppiers =0A do. Oh = and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
=0A =
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
 


=0A=0A

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well Mal I think a lot of us would like to turn the clock back a long way because in those days Radio was King. Have Key will travel. Read a bit about the itinerant Telegraphers in the US between the wars. He had his (racer)key in a baize lined oak box and could set up anywhere to earn a living... those were the days. 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Read a bit abo= ut the itinerant Telegraphers in the US between the wars. He had his (racer= )key in a baize lined oak box and could set up anywhere to earn a living...= those were the days.=0A=0ANow we all=A0have the mobile phones and no jobs.= .....=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=A0 =0A=0A_________________________= _______=0A From: mal hamilton =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 19:18=0ASubject: Re: LF: Email= ing: 11-18-2009_006=0A =0A=0APete =0AI am sure Mexico radio stns were with= in range after dark =0Abut I listened to the Honolulu stns. =0AIn those day= s I was a Globe Trotter seeking rare DX =0Alocations. I took advantage of f= acilities available at the various locations.to =0Aoperate amateur radio. I= used Aircraft, Ships and Fixed transmitters besides =0Ahaving my own porta= ble equipment when possible to carry with me. =0AI had a certain amount of = Influence to achieve my =0Aobjectives !! =0A=A0 =0A73 de G3KEV =A0Retired G= lobe Trotter =0A=A0 =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>T= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 =0AA= M =0A>Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi Mal =0A>= =A0 =0A>Very intersting =0A>=A0 =0A>Did you hear any of the Border Blaster = X stations out of Mexico, quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with ma= ssive antennas haloed with a corona that could be seen right across the bo= rder into Texas,=A0pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n Roll to the = Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Ionosphere th= an=A0the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at night. Amazing = range which upset the US gov.=0A> =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A= >________________________________=0A>From: mal hamilton =0A>To: rsgb =0A>Sent: Monday, 25 June= 2012, 10:34=0A>Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>Ter= ry es Co =0A>=A0 =0A>Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Goo= gle maps then. =0A>G3KEV/VR4MC =0A>=0A>=A0.=0A>=0A> --1386533404-1991616134-1340652728=:26832 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<= /div>
Well Mal I think a lot of us would like to turn the clock back a = long way because in those days Radio was King.
Have Key will trav= el. Read a bit about the itinerant Telegraphers in the US between the wars. He had his (racer)key in a bai= ze lined oak box and could set up anywhere to earn a living... those were the days.
 
=
Now we all have the mobile phones and no jobs......
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talkta= lk.net>
To: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 19:18
=0A=0A =0A =0A
=0A
Pete
=0A
I am sure Mexico radio stns= were within range after dark =0Abut I listened to the Honolulu stns.
=0A
In those days I was a Globe Trotter see= king rare DX =0Alocations. I took advantage of facilities available at the = various locations.to =0Aoperate amateur radio. I used Aircraft, Ships and F= ixed transmitters besides =0Ahaving my own portable equipment when possible= to carry with me.
=0A
I had a certain= amount of Influence to achieve my =0Aobjectives !!
=0A
 
=0A
73 de G3K= EV  Retired Globe Trotter
=0A
 
=0A
=0A
----- Original Message -----
=0A
From: =0A M0FMT
=0A =0A
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 =0AAM
=0A
Subject: R= e: LF: Emailing: =0A 11-18-2009_006
=0A

=0A
=0A
Hi Mal=
=0A
 
=0A
Very inters= ting
=0A
 
=0A
Did you= hear any of the Border Blaster X stations out of Mexico, =0A quarter mega= watt plus AM MW Broadcasters with massive antennas haloed with a corona that could be seen right across the =0A= border into Texas, pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n Roll t= o the =0A Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Ion= osphere =0A than the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii a= t night. Amazing =0A range which upset the US gov.
=0A 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: mal =0A hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net&= gt;
To: rsgb =0A <r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
S= ent: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A 10:34
Subject: LF: Emailing: =0A 11-18-2009_006

=0A
=0A =0A=0A =0A
Terry es Co
=0A
 
=0A
Show me the way to get home 195= 8 style, no GPS or Google maps then.
=0A
G3KEV/VR4MC
=0A <= div> 
=0A
 .


=0A


----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 = 11:15=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E = etc

Hi Ken
 
I believe you can = operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than C but = they=20 generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. = The high=20 efficiency output stage has = to operate=20 like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it changes = state=20 from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which means = a=20 device that will operate well into the VHF) the higher = the=20 efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple = of megs=20 its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking = about) at=20 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the = inductor to=20 rise and collapse at a very = fast=20 rate in-order to = generate a=20 high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking = sine=20 waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the = output=20 side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. = Try=20 it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I = use to=20 bring a PA into optimum performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well = but if=20 you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF=20 then there is enough empirical=20 data from following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have=20 posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in=20 theoretical physics to bamboozle you=20 colleagues then that will = detract=20 from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, = efficient TX=20 design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP design being=20 IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the components = listing.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: Ken=20 <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 11 = June 2012,=20 22:09
Subject: LF: = RE: Class=20 E etc

Hi=20 Pete.
About 40 = years ago my=20 integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial = integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems = with=20 was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space . =   Looking=20 at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET=20 PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves = is=20 because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also = the keep=20 the shack and the cat warm.
 
73s
 
Ken
 
M0KHW
 
From: owner-=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:=20 owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On=20 Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 11 June 2012 = 19:16
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Class E=20 etc
 
 
Hi Ken=20
 
Ha ha = Stefan, how=20 good is your Integration = Ken?
 
Here are = a couple=20 of sites that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load = and a=20 good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do=20 with  A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 = inverting)=20 that will turn the FET = fully on=20 and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on = off=20 timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage = for the=20 FET is not exceeded = otherwise they=20 pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting = the shunt=20 capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be done = empirically= See=20 article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, = although the=20 output wave will be surprisingly=20 clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't = necessarily know=20 all the starting parameters and in any case the result = is going=20 to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. = Best to=20 use 'Scope measurements to=20 set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / = Off rise=20 times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the=20 key.
These = amplifiers=20 are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy class C = amp. This=20 means the heat dissipation from the FET=20 is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks!<= /SPAN>
 
The = GW3UEP=20 (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency&= nbsp;and=20 high power depending upon the FET used=20 and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at = 140watts and=20 is capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink = that is=20 fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically= using=20 the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is = the way=20 to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my = TX up=20 into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain = wave shape=20 on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy = load. I=20 then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of = the tuned=20 transformer in the antenna up-lead. = I adjust=20 the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner = link=20 turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across = the dummy=20 load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by either adding = or=20 reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with = bringing the=20 the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead = current,=20 here you are looking for the maximum=20 peak.  
 
Oh yes = and WIMA high voltage high value = capacitors from=20 Maplin work=20 well.
 
Read the = articles=20 and search info on class E = amplifiers. 
 
 
For some = bed time=20 reading but ignor the math = look at the=20 Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all = really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal= %20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
 
For = design=20 ideas
http://www.classeradio.com/
<= /SPAN>
 
For a = good=20 practical circuit for a single ended amp that  is a scalable = surefire=20 design, no need to reinvent the wheel.
http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/
 
For = antennas and=20 antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20
http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/
 
73 es = GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX


 
 --1386533404-1991616134-1340652728=:26832-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 79BE33800009D; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjSxm-0004hV-AH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:25:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjSxl-0004hM-SA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:25:37 +0100 Received: from mail.mvnet.de ([194.25.108.14] helo=server06.mvnet.de) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjSxk-0002Oy-At for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:25:36 +0100 Received: from msvw.mvnet.de (msvw.mvnet.de [194.25.108.49]) by server06.mvnet.de () with ESMTP id q5QAPOkT026477 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:25:24 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (tmo-103-38.customers.d1-online.com [80.187.103.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by msvw.mvnet.de (8.14.5/) with ESMTP id q5QAPX0t010489 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:25:34 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE98E09.7080402@mvnet.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:25:13 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Eberhard_v=2EWedelst=E4dt=22?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20120613 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> In-Reply-To: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: hi Nils, i hear you audible up to good audible [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: ddae800c6581715278ab3184b42d46db Subject: Re: LF: 472khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:299794240:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fe98e605fcd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none hi Nils, i hear you audible up to good audible 73, Eberhard, DL3ZID From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A957F3800009D; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 04:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sj4CZ-0000Di-0w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:59:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sj4CY-0000DV-2A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:59:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sj4CS-0005ip-US for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:59:12 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAHMZ6E9cHYEh/2dsb2JhbABEgkWzWYEIghMFAQEFCAEBAyApAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQoeBxQBBBoGDQkIBhMKAQICAQGHfrg6izOGAgOIFYU2kQmGW4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,471,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542963841" Received: from host-92-29-129-33.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.33]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 2012 08:59:07 +0100 Message-ID: <001501cd52a8$63c2da30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd522f$a0b3f060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 07:59:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Terry The two biggest dangers on Christmas Island were falling Cocoanuts if you were in the vicinity of one of these trees and the other was getting eaten by a shark when swimming. Breathing in DDT was another because the Island was sprayed from the air daily to keep the mosquito population under control. Hbombs were the least hazardous. I was only there for a short time before and after Christmas, everybodys dream to be on Christmas Island for Christmas who would want to miss that !!!!!!!!!!! the ultimate excitement :- Fireworks Galore , chance of being eaten by a shark, or crushed by a cocoanut, poisoned by DDT, pinched by a Crab the up side for a Radio Amateur was the DX location, quiet radio environment and after a BLAST quieter than quiet for several days could not listen to my favoutite radio stations from Honolulu. No satellite communications in those days all LF/MF/HF for long haul and VHF/UHF. The usual air/ground facilities including radar. This is a LF/MF related message. de g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 62fc2827c05a630837daa4729d9cda83 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD52A8.634B8750" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:422466112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fe81aac37c9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD52A8.634B8750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Terry The two biggest dangers on Christmas Island were falling Cocoanuts if = you were in the vicinity of one of these trees and the other was getting = eaten by a shark when swimming. Breathing in DDT was another because the = Island was sprayed from the air daily to keep the mosquito population = under control. Hbombs were the least hazardous. I was only there for a short time before and after Christmas, everybodys = dream to be on Christmas Island for Christmas who would want to miss = that !!!!!!!!!!! the ultimate excitement :- Fireworks Galore , chance of being eaten by a shark, or crushed by a = cocoanut, poisoned by DDT, pinched by a Crab=20 the up side for a Radio Amateur was the DX location, quiet radio = environment and after a BLAST quieter than quiet for several days could = not listen to my favoutite radio stations from Honolulu. No satellite = communications in those days all LF/MF/HF for long haul and VHF/UHF. The = usual air/ground facilities including radar. This is a LF/MF related message. de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry GW0EZY=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:37 PM Subject: LF: RE: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Mal =20 That was around the time of the British hydrogen bomb tests on = Christmas Island. Were you present? If so what effect on LF/HF?? =20 73 Terry =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 24 June 2012 18:35 To: rsgb Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 =20 Graham Reference Pitcairn Is. I spent some time around these Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spent = Christmas on Christmas Island 1958 See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and = all that !! especially South Hotel St I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 = metres. I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. = Daytime very quiet. g3kev =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD52A8.634B8750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Terry
The two biggest dangers on Christmas Island were = falling=20 Cocoanuts if you were in the vicinity of one of these trees and the = other was=20 getting eaten by a shark when swimming. Breathing in DDT was another = because the=20 Island was sprayed from the air daily to keep the mosquito population = under=20 control. Hbombs were the least hazardous.
I was only there for a short time before and = after=20 Christmas, everybodys dream to be on Christmas Island for Christmas who = would=20 want to miss that !!!!!!!!!!! the ultimate excitement :-
Fireworks Galore , chance of being eaten by a = shark, or=20 crushed by a cocoanut, poisoned by DDT, pinched by a Crab
the up side for a Radio Amateur was the DX = location, quiet=20 radio environment and after a BLAST quieter than quiet for several days = could=20 not listen to my favoutite radio stations from Honolulu. No satellite=20 communications in those days all LF/MF/HF for long haul and VHF/UHF. The = usual=20 air/ground facilities including radar.
This is a LF/MF related message.
de g3kev
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Terry = GW0EZY
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 = 9:37 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Emailing:=20 11-18-2009_005

Mal

 

That was = around the=20 time of the British hydrogen bomb tests on Christmas=20 Island. Were you present? If so what effect on=20 LF/HF??

 

73=20 Terry

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 24 June 2012 = 18:35
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Emailing:=20 11-18-2009_005

 

   =20 Graham

Reference Pitcairn=20 Is.

I spent some time=20 around these Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spent = Christmas on=20 Christmas Island=20 1958

See above pic Road to = Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and all that = !!=20 especially South = Hotel=20 St

I must add on LF/MF es = HF it was=20 so quiet just like listening on 2 = metres.

I used to listen most = nights to=20 KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. Daytime very=20 quiet.

g3kev

 

 

 

= ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD52A8.634B8750-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 460E0380000A8; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sci0j-0004KL-9m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:04:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sci0i-0004KC-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:04:44 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sci0g-0003oi-9O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:04:43 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Jun 2012 19:04:40 -0000 Received: from p5B39564A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.86.74] by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 21:04:40 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX192ML0jx7F2QGe9y7GXYhVMK2FbbBGN3ziFJRbnAv yFTB63l55Zl8wj Message-ID: <004901cd44e0$644b4530$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000901cd44bf$d7d97f10$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:03:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: For those who do not read the yahoo list: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36274675/DK7FC_137kHz_07062012.mp3 73 Clemens DL4RAJ [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.23 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 8556389a5ea14fbbf9b9d801ab70c592 Subject: LF: Re: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475732320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fd0fb923440 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none For those who do not read the yahoo list: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36274675/DK7FC_137kHz_07062012.mp3 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemens Paul" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > Stefan, > > here S>9 / SNR 20dB in 100Hz BW. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > Loc:Sdostbayern,12,90006O/48,4150N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) > http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN68KJ79WJ > Perseus mit Dipol 2x156m > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Schfer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:10 PM > Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > > >> LF! >> >> I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with >> thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challenge >> for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN :-) >> In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at >> http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 so >> this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> >> >> ----- >> E-Mail ist virenfrei. >> Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de >> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5053 - Ausgabedatum: 06.06.2012 > > > > > ----- > E-Mail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5053 - Ausgabedatum: 06.06.2012 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B6B4E380000AC; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjV89-0005sJ-51 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:44:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjV88-0005sA-JE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:44:28 +0100 Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjV86-0006UT-58 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:44:27 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2012 12:44:25 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.243] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2012 12:44:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2012 12:44:25 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 73999.10732.bm@omp1008.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16209 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2012 12:44:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340714664; bh=BeWKfbB5Ps/zCrMsiikTRLMP1tEZURm5MEhgAEjOHzQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eqXrA/ANpOb04g1NHQe2e/6PX/XoNhfOy72i5cFgza5UqI+Hdux4JYf0Jw69l6esvsSPoBpfTZB+z6Y54UVyarFuzF3391ATMqNMRHqVlmgqGDcrD83kWFINj44h0ZdWvvQjK1tTGLEs8jPmDF0e+l0+C5+FqvK/0WHQKyYMisk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KOLwTr7YUvP9FZ/TYLXAL/p54964dP097oa35RBI4n/OYkFaStx6LvEem39QYVmf5ZgyW5wPbfBEtJW0ZKqsKfFSevu9CbJL2rty+Oyv7t6f9i/iAOi31qre5SfwzrguUr0e1+lDHz8uXrnLl3VzDEj9DSlbuzAtbc4D3wCp1xM=; X-YMail-OSG: URe5B4gVM1lw9NEMAFSRWtCLqVTI.1845D37TjdFpGU010c .L1BnyQw8yTfFbm9Xajn7bKeppeRx9rOOzpbQtcqJ57MvBj1q7.nrGlRm4Vw nJu_EO76ON_5.m75xbviZSzbPogF9oOJFQOTi0Sdphioh4rwcKjIXF7uf7SA usdhUZG39qaufrhtHb_eD4dKhFeIgyFqf_1DgkxjqnEhid3mg8lpWK3wPU9Z EFchQG929jyrktx9uPrDNCxyNARMR6s7anBJ731ZJQs9mJhM0rNpqOwQpasj hHVWQLd8sbdRP_9LM9GhgwVHEUjlZk2d4igNFyIa2ubG7WuhRIge7H7LHeUj WWrPQMHTL_d9R5kjvVY4XEdhAnQhzd7DCvK3v5Zcnhy1VTdUgaZqcCQD_oZ7 UVLucvNqOLC9ZuGdm8XryRZUcxCnWa5yVn.RQZ8MSSOEyla3oYRxFxw-- Received: from [86.164.61.75] by web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:44:24 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-ID: <1340714664.16060.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:44:24 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mal Yes and AM has the same sort of transparency to co channel signals as SSB to a degree (same type of mode of course) where as FM captures the channel and cannot be over ridden unless the competing signal is about 3dB stronger. FM also seems to drop off very quickly with range especially if the audio modulation is not set to its optimum i.e with 6dB compresson (Pre emphasis, clipped, De emphasis, filtered). Further more this very narrow band FM IMHO is useless. And it is FM that we can thank for V/UHF channelisation it never used to be like that it was the availability of in the late 60s/70s of cheap Rice Boxes that turned it into an FM channalised wastland. I think AM has a lot going for it and it amazes me that the Marine people opted for FM since they must have had advisers who were familiar with the days 2182. We try to keep AM going on TB and 4m around here but the FM seems to have hijacked 70.26 in the name of the RSGB. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1e15d6d6179985f133b43d42d658878a Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1280246733-1340714664=:16060" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444763072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m231.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4fe9aee03b56 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1280246733-1340714664=:16060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal=0A=A0=0AYes and AM has the same sort of transparency to co channel s= ignals as SSB to a degree (same type of mode of course) where as FM capture= s the channel and cannot be over ridden unless the competing signal is abou= t 3dB stronger. FM also seems to drop off very quickly with range especiall= y if the audio modulation is not set to its optimum i.e with 6dB compresson= (Pre emphasis, clipped, De emphasis, filtered). Further more this very nar= row band FM IMHO is useless. And it is FM that we can thank for V/UHF chann= elisation it never used to be like that it was the availability of in the l= ate 60s/70s of cheap Rice Boxes that turned it into an FM channalised wastl= and.=0AI think AM has a lot going for it and it amazes me that the Marine p= eople opted for=A0FM since they must have had advisers who were familiar wi= th the days 2182. We try to keep AM going on TB and 4m around here but the = FM seems to have hijacked 70.26 in the name of the RSGB.=0A=A0=0A73 es GL P= ete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: mal hami= lton =0ATo: rsgb =0AS= ent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 8:36=0ASubject: LF: A/G FREQS=0A =0A=0A =0AAs= stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and =0Asimplex=A0working. =A0I have also n= oticed a well modulated AM transmitter =0Ais more potent than a FM transmit= ter when working at max range. On AM the RX =0Abandwidth can be opened up t= o receive several stations simultaneously then =0Aselect the one of interes= t by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on =0ACW. =A0On FM if y= ou tried this the=A0transmission would fall into a black =0Ahole, in other = words the=A0FM rx has to be tailored to the =0Aexact=A0bandwidth of the tra= nsmission (same deviation value) =0Ag3kev --435439028-1280246733-1340714664=:16060 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mal
 
Yes and AM has the same sort of transparency to co channel signals= as SSB to a degree (same type of mode of course) where as FM captures the = channel and cannot be over ridden unless the competing signal is about 3dB = stronger. FM also seems to drop off very quickly with range especially if t= he audio modulation is not set to its optimum i.e with 6dB compresson (Pre = emphasis, clipped, De emphasis, filtered). Further more this very narrow ba= nd FM IMHO is useless. And it is FM that we can thank for V/UHF channelisat= ion it never used to be like that it was the availability of in the late 60= s/70s of cheap Rice Boxes that turned it into an FM channalised wastland.
I think AM has a lot going for it and it amazes me that the Marine= people opted for FM since they must have had advisers who were familiar with the days 2182. We try to keep AM going on TB and 4m around h= ere but the FM seems to have hijacked 70.26 in the name of the RSGB.
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal ham= ilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 8:36 Subject: LF: A/G FREQS

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=0A<= div>As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and =0Asimplex&= nbsp;working.  I have also noticed a well modulated AM transmitter =0A= is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM the R= X =0Abandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously = then =0Aselect the one of interest by closing down the selectivity, the sam= e applies on =0ACW.  On FM if you tried this the transmission wou= ld fall into a black =0Ahole, in other words the FM rx has to be tailo= red to the =0Aexact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation valu= e)
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--435439028-1280246733-1340714664=:16060-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 81E3E380000BC; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaEHB-0000E5-97 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:55:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaEHA-0000Dw-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:55:28 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaEH7-0006WS-QC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:55:27 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4VMtNdP010344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:55:23 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q4VMtNPt021903 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:55:23 +0200 Message-ID: <4FC7F686.3020304@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:53:58 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <4FC74C16.1050905@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC75239.6090105@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000601cd3f2d$7877fca0$6d01a8c0@DELL4> <4FC76ECD.8040401@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002f01cd3f35$a45c6e70$6d01a8c0@DELL4> <4FC79E2E.4070101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002801cd3f5b$067ecec0$6d01a8c0@DELL4> In-Reply-To: <002801cd3f5b$067ecec0$6d01a8c0@DELL4> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q4VMtNdP010344 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jay, LF, Thanks very much again! Well, if the PA efficiency is 90% with standard parts, what can you achieve with the speial core material? I can obtain the 77 ferrite material here but never heard about the 79 material. I can hardly imagine that there is much more room for significant improvements. More infos apprechiated. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: b4085bc26841e34d79a2f3beb8f287b1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Current mode class D PA for 475 kHz - success Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485729024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d94fc7f7262eee X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jay, LF, Thanks very much again! Well, if the PA efficiency is 90% with standard parts, what can you=20 achieve with the speial core material? I can obtain the 77 ferrite=20 material here but never heard about the 79 material. I can hardly=20 imagine that there is much more room for significant improvements. More=20 infos apprechiated. For now, as a result of this day i want to show some photos i've just=20 taken. BTW the PA is now driven from the Elecraft K2 which i built in=20 2003. Just 1W RF is needed (at 1900 kHz =3D> 475 kHz) to drive the PA inp= ut! Gate voltage waveform from the ICL7667:=20 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Gate%20voltage%20475%20kHz%205VperDIV= %20ICL7667%2BIRFZ48N.JPG Drain, unloaded:=20 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Drain%20Source%20voltage%20without%20= a%20load.JPG Drain at 40W RF:=20 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Drain%20Source%20voltage%20%40%2040W%= 20RF%20out.JPG Comments? No, i don't have a Hello Kitty scope, the pink colour comes from the=20 auto adjustment of the image... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 31.05.2012 20:27, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: > Stefan > > Well ... guess you have already answered your own question ;~) > > I've stuck with transformer coupled designs ... VMCD for 137 / 500=20 > kHz and CMCD for 160 / 75 / 40 meters. I don't have much experience=20 > with the bridge circuits which I believe is what you normally use. > > Without a load at the transmitter output both types behave well - they=20 > act as though they aren't even keyed. I've mistakenly keyed them into=20 > incorrect loads (antennas for other bands) with no ill effects.=20 > Operating into impedances other than 50 ohms cause a shift in the=20 > drain voltage/current ratio as expected ... so there are limits. From=20 > experience a 1.5:1 VSWR during normal operation isn't a concern. > > The ringing on the off FET drain is an issue with VMCD and is mainly=20 > due to leakage reactance of the transformer. In my experience, this is=20 > best minimized by choosing a core material that provides enough=20 > winding reactance for the frequency in use without going overboard.=20 > For my 137 kHz KW transmitter (yet to be written up) I used an=20 > FT-240-78 core. 78 material was specifically developed for the=20 > frequency range between 100 and 200 kHz and works excellent. These=20 > cores are standard parts. For my 500 kHz KW transmitter (yet to be=20 > written up) I used an FT-240-79 core. 79 material is even better than=20 > 78 material at 500 kHz. Unfortunately, these are not readily available=20 > - 79 is a newer material and available in only a few sizes that aren't=20 > conducive to what we're doing. I parted with some NRE money last year=20 > and got Fair Rite to make some FT-240-79 cores for me. Last I checked=20 > they hadn't added it to their catalog ;~( > > Even with the correct core material and winding technique (interleaved=20 > primary and secondary windings) some form of snubber from each drain=20 > to source is required. Choosing the correct R and C is an interesting=20 > exercise. Rather than go over it here check out this paper by Rudy=20 > Severn: > > http://www.ee.bgu.ac.il/~pel/links/DESIGN_OF_SNUBBERS_FOR_POWER_CIRCUIT= S.pdf=20 > > > BTW, Rudy is one of the WD2XSH 500 kHz group. He also has a You Tube=20 > videos on the subject ... and a book as well. > > In my experience the ringing is not a problem as long as it is=20 > controlled and well under the voltage limits of the FET. In my KW VMCD=20 > the drain square wave is 100 V (2 X supply voltage (50VDC)) and the=20 > first peak of the ringing voltage brings this up to about 140 V. The=20 > FETs in use here are 240 volt parts. > > Jay > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 > > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Current mode class D PA for 475 kHz - success > > >> Jay, MF, >> >> I just tried the CMCD and immediately achieved 89% efficiency at=20 >> 12VDC and 36W RF at 475 kHz (dummy load). Just a first result. I can=20 >> answer my own question now: Without a load the PA behaves not=20 >> critical! The current consumption is 0.2A only (including the current=20 >> of the VFO and exciter) !! :-) I'm going to improve the design now=20 >> and will publish some photos soon... >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 31.05.2012 15:59, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: >>> Stefan >>> >>> Thanks for the positive comments. >>> >>> Have to admit I haven't been following what you're up to ... curious=20 >>> what problems you're running into with VMCD at 500 kHz? >>> >>> Jay >>> >>> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1BA2F380000A4; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 04:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb6Jr-0004w8-Nf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 09:37:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb6Jr-0004vz-92 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 09:37:51 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb6Jp-0000KM-M9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 09:37:50 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p548D15DC.dip.t-dialin.net [84.141.21.220]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Ltj2f-1Ru6eX0kwX-011hZJ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:37:48 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:37:47 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:MSBWrav8CuF0Ja8A2mqfHkI9wQSqL6aae/XmrtS8LAw 5HCnX1kqbR+TMvTPpmiiINe5iEEaVR2auAy+tIsaw+HRbqTU6+ xFDH3aHd2t5rvSdDsFpOhz8samyDEmxIN3xL16/Eln6UbHQsGf AFLu+YUVLOL5th9I8VK0Ao+g2LWJESqAx5AZ9I6YvatMSxpxRE McfZOK2/GG4DTg0vlLrj2qRJTl9DpeNZz9XTr34QIR6VwoEjkO 76O+jaJhGQ+X72mBI2Dwm5hYN1nhvnkcWr/L9Js1/AuKMvteWz efAhPumaahwoLtO+OTK+DCEmSrGFnTEe1YAHtAS8tutXDF+muM ytA9zb/+8eW65Y/wGjSH1I8i0pcyHMJ4TZxDR10pi X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: To John, G3WKL, Please do NOT shut down this reflector. 1. It's active in positive sense. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 4ad5f3f1a9241b934aaa5d0e23c9dc57 Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:249189312:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fcb22c303a8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none To John, G3WKL, Please do NOT shut down this reflector. 1. It's active in positive sense. 2. There are too many hams here who say "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven Brave New World were each posting will be "googleable" for ever. Me too. That's the reason I unsubscribed from some Yapoo-Groups recently. 73 Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5663E380000D7; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbap5-00064g-B0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:12:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbap4-00064X-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:12:06 +0100 Received: from mailout11.t-online.de ([194.25.134.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbap3-0007oT-0p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:12:05 +0100 Received: from fwd13.aul.t-online.de (fwd13.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout11.t-online.de with smtp id 1Sbap1-0006ML-IJ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:12:03 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (bVgAFGZcwhn14MJLvGM7kmZYccZHtzLnu-QJW2YcECoMD3K3WM2AnabmMQ3JQ07Qxk@[84.147.153.126]) by fwd13.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Sbaoz-1Cf3J20; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:12:01 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Walter Staubach" To: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:12:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: bVgAFGZcwhn14MJLvGM7kmZYccZHtzLnu-QJW2YcECoMD3K3WM2AnabmMQ3JQ07Qxk X-TOI-MSGID: 59061023-8ffb-4f40-9e50-f8b6c64e3e78 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear friends, the "old" reflektor did a good job. I learned a lot there. Many thanks to All who kept him working all the years. In my opinion there was no necessity to have a new one. The few spams were simply deleted - no problem. But probably other OM's know more about what will be required in future. So I joined the new reflctor ( many thanks to Markus for his assistance ), but I am still on the "old" one, too. Please keep him alive for a long while. ( I know what I need - no advertising. So "Barclay's Card" is of no interest. ) Hope for a satisfactory solution 73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.85 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b1e5ebccbad86c8ca1fd46d24f0285de Subject: LF: new Yahoo group Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD4285.F0033CC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:442709344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494fcceca727d4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD4285.F0033CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends, the "old" reflektor did a good job. I learned a lot there. Many = thanks to All who kept him working all the years. In my opinion there = was no necessity to have a new one. The few spams were simply deleted - = no problem. But probably other OM's know more about what will be required = in future. So I joined the new reflctor ( many thanks to Markus for his = assistance ), but I am still on the "old" one, too. Please keep him = alive for a long while. ( I know what I need - no advertising. So "Barclay's Card" is of = no interest. ) Hope for a satisfactory solution 73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD4285.F0033CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear friends,
        the=20 "old" reflektor did a good job. I learned a lot there. Many thanks to = All who=20 kept him working all the years. In my opinion there was no = necessity to=20 have a new one. The few spams were simply deleted - no=20 problem.
        =20 But probably other OM's know more about what will be required in future. = So I=20 joined the new reflctor ( many thanks to Markus for his assistance ), = but I am=20 still on the "old" one, too. Please keep him alive for a long=20 while.
        ( I=20 know what I need - no advertising. So "Barclay's Card" is of no = interest.=20 )
Hope for a satisfactory = solution
73
Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD4285.F0033CC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2317C38000096; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkAJB-0004aV-2f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:42:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkAJA-0004aM-JW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:42:36 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkAJ8-00087C-Je for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:42:35 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.11] (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2D64C8051 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:42:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4FEC18F4.9050608@online.fr> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:42:28 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stephan , Me too 73 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a écrit : > Hi Stephan > Me Too > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > *From:* "PA1SDB, Peter" > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12 > *Subject:* LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > > like > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rik Strobbe > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM > *Subject:* LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > > //If/ someone is interested i may convert the > circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file./ > Always interested ;-) > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.27.42.4 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 54c274b8b0f8da777e8f702c98fe24ad Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010906060700090500010302" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440043072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a4fec192d7aed X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010906060700090500010302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stephan , Me too 73 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =E9crit : > Hi Stephan > Me Too > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > *From:* "PA1SDB, Peter" > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12 > *Subject:* LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > > like > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rik Strobbe > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM > *Subject:* LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > > //If/ someone is interested i may convert the > circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file./ > Always interested ;-) > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > --------------010906060700090500010302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Stephan ,
Me too
73  , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ 



Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a écrit :
Hi Stephan
 
Me Too

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "PA1SDB, Peter" <pa1sdb@amsat.org>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12
Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

like
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM
Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file.
 
Always interested ;-)
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T




--------------010906060700090500010302-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 630593800008B; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeO5e-0007oz-6v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:12:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeO5d-0007oq-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:12:45 +0100 Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeO5b-0006s6-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:12:44 +0100 Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MNBY1j0020ldTLk55NChin; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:12:41 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MNCg1j00X0CFS1j3QNCgpu; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:12:40 +0000 Message-ID: <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:12:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sefan Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at 'disturbed' levels it is unlikely that I would have had reception of your signals. It might be a good idea to check http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html for the DST levels before an overnight T/A attempt. Generally speaking, condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or better for a couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th or 10th would have been better T/A nights. The big dip starting on the 10th is a problem. [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.48 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 046f068074e745d5c60ca47deee9b503 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:463185024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fd716794e57 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Sefan Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at 'disturbed' levels it is unlikely that I would have had reception of your signals. It might be a good idea to check http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html for the DST levels before an overnight T/A attempt. Generally speaking, condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or better for a couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th or 10th would have been better T/A nights. The big dip starting on the 10th is a problem. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:09 PM Subject: LF: Beacon to the west > LF, > > Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night. The TX is already on air... > > In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it may be a bit difficult to > become visible in TA. But who knows... > > At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for distances below 3000 km. Probably > because the area in darkness is small on the northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away is > attenuated. So the distances within the first hop range may be a bit lower than in winther but > maybe the noise is even lower so S/N improvement of some dB results. > At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done many tests and the radiated > signal was even 3 dB stronger than a few days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm > thinking different about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BA60B38000088; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdOdI-0008Tt-FH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:35:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdOdI-0008Tk-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:35:24 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdOdG-0005BK-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:35:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p548D15EB.dip.t-dialin.net [84.141.21.235]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LrGGm-1RyjHZ0IZg-012ujK; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:35:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD37B48.20201@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:35:20 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:yI078AjEdkmTAlgMEM6ZkE8xqWFlsPHNTDV4R9UNJqJ DtlYipI2OVjQDscaAvYPJXeFcBnFmZbdLl4dpR9k8fufgW8g9N 5coPmWwc5Z6GM1Mx8CnNvP2tJ1+4FcHbZ8KfkUgTEYD3ACSSxP NdzpGSkE/rWYWdAh2FfhnLlHm/YWCV7IXSr7e/PfWDg+0YXccN IUQJrLwzi/JtYHZoSGBV6nZF7Q8K+xrVxCbWnIVDTweY4e7M57 1NgsbZvenyAVR26uhimY1ezaaZJywdEvAy9l+O6V86eZuV6PIK rxqAG0FNzYG6apZX6vgrbJB0F2ko/t9+4NwQue8EnqNd4EMuK0 +kPr+0wYA6XH3E7ISf7KJwe/yNes+5BDM0jNRFKKb X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi, Update: http://df3lp.de/misc/hga22/ Peter, df3lp [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 9769dc1fd6241281ce50b20c60b79e34 Subject: LF: Annual course of hga22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:339807712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fd37b7a69fe X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi, Update: http://df3lp.de/misc/hga22/ Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B03C438000093; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdlNv-00040b-PU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:53:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdlNv-00040S-7W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:53:03 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdlNs-0000q2-Hw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:53:02 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5AGqwD4030740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:52:58 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5AGqvMK026775 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:52:57 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD4D08A.6070408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:51:22 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <000001cd461f$4d2fef50$e78fcdf0$@com> <005e01cd4621$e0d34660$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <01bc01cd4623$557e9090$007bb1b0$@com> In-Reply-To: <01bc01cd4623$557e9090$007bb1b0$@com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Terry, What kind ogf antenna will you use and what is the L of your coil? Will you start using QRO or will you use the audio amp in the first attempt? The latest LF activities are very encouraging and i think we could go to a positive circle to increase activity on that band. Furthermore you may be in a very good position to try to leave a signal in Venezuela. The last days there was no chance for me to leave a trace there but now Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and bought some parts for a loop antenna, so we will go on there very soon! When will you come on air? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 84ab60ecdd4473835b39687102047368 Subject: LF: GW0EZY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040304000003050602020701" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488724128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494fd4d1225da0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040304000003050602020701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Terry, What kind ogf antenna will you use and what is the L of your coil? Will you start using QRO or will you use the audio amp in the first attempt? The latest LF activities are very encouraging and i think we could go to a positive circle to increase activity on that band. Furthermore you may be in a very good position to try to leave a signal in Venezuela. The last days there was no chance for me to leave a trace there but now Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and bought some parts for a loop antenna, so we will go on there very soon! When will you come on air? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 09.06.2012 11:36, schrieb Terry GW0EZY: > > I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very > rusty!! > > I see you QSX 7033 for 502 -- do you do the same for 136?? > > 73 Terry > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *mal hamilton > *Sent:* 09 June 2012 10:26 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now > > Thanks Terry. > > Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW > where information can be exchanged in a few minutes. > > Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. > There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly > strong and both ends have suitable antennas. > > 73 es GL de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Terry GW0EZY > > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > *Sent:* Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM > > *Subject:* LF: RE: 136.5 now > > Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !! > > Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. > > 73 Terry > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *mal > hamilton > *Sent:* 09 June 2012 09:40 > *To:* rsgb > *Cc:* rsgb > *Subject:* LF: 136.5 now > > LF > > Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call > > de g3kev > --------------040304000003050602020701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Terry,

What kind ogf antenna will you use and what is the L of your coil? Will you start using QRO or will you use the audio amp in the first attempt? The latest LF activities are very encouraging and i think we could go to a positive circle to increase activity on that band. Furthermore you may be in a very good position to try to leave a signal in Venezuela.
The last days there was no chance for me to leave a trace there but now Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and bought some parts for a loop antenna, so we will go on there very soon!
When will you come on air?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 09.06.2012 11:36, schrieb Terry GW0EZY:

I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very rusty!!

 

I see you QSX 7033 for 502 – do you do the same for 136??

 

73 Terry

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 10:26
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now

 

Thanks Terry.

Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW where information can be exchanged in a few minutes.

Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong and both ends have suitable antennas.

73 es GL de mal/g3kev

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Terry GW0EZY

Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM

Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now

 

Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !!

 

Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579.

 

73 Terry

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb
Subject: LF: 136.5 now

 

LF

Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call

 

de g3kev

 

--------------040304000003050602020701-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CC0BA380000A0; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 04:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSHd-0000uG-4w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:05:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSHc-0000u1-8v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:05:00 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbSHa-0005Js-95 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:04:59 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AugJAI1rzE9cF/bI/2dsb2JhbABFiX2ofASBJoEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMlASMCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh2wDBgmsQguJUIsRToIsgxYDjT2QfoZWgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,711,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="540258907" Received: from host-92-23-246-200.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.200]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 09:04:57 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01cd4228$bae27220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <535C7AB088034F3CAF4C51D1FF382816@AGB> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:04:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Good idea Graham. I hope the blacksheep will continue. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 7:40 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488499296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fcc6c565453 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Good idea Graham. I hope the blacksheep will continue. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 7:40 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > Yes 'Flash' traffic only on the ref > > G. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Clive Lorton" > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:04 AM > To: ; > Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > > > Gentlemen, > > > > Im beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. Blacksheep > > as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo for technical > > discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be archived and > > design/construction projects can make full use of the search function and > > files section of Yahoo. > > > > Just my two pence worth.. > > > > Clive g8poc > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0C84E380000A8; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiC6i-0008Ux-PR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:13:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiC6i-0008Uo-D6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:13:36 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiC6g-0002w2-SS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:13:35 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5MMDXwC022490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:13:34 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5MMDXY9026871 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:13:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE4EDA1.1050809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:11:45 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE4E966.6060703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE4E966.6060703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5MMDXwC022490 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, Join in!! Summer acty in the motto of the evening! The sunshine time cannot be longer in the year. This is good for local LF propagation :-) Am 22.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Stefan Schäfer: > Hi Alex, > > I just started the TX. Can you transmit as well? > Looking forward to see some traces, hopefully i'm coming through... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: cc2e5baae40f8f7a09b47e6877ef0bfb Subject: Re: LF: RN3AUS grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497537280:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61854fe4ee49301b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Mal, Join in!! Summer acty in the motto of the evening! The sunshine time=20 cannot be longer in the year. This is good for local LF propagation :-) Am 22.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > Hi Alex, > > I just started the TX. Can you transmit as well? > Looking forward to see some traces, hopefully i'm coming through... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E55B23800008D; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Saolv-0007Qo-Fo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:53:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Saolu-0007Qf-UX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:53:38 +0100 Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.69]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Saols-0005pR-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:53:37 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 13:53:34 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.241] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 13:53:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 13:53:34 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 322769.87737.bm@omp1006.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 52869 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2012 13:53:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338645214; bh=TrIwJP5NcFBM1/aJFoVw9mncOKjlhvb/qM5jinkiuzM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H0Z8d1IfCGjHcluL6mL121+UHK1DMqYo4LhU+V7rhKzpg8oHYY3255enhLbqOkn9aRLw1oiAQF90uxSWdUFHRb4aSR9ikkPZRcEBxmzfC4GiNGOlBY6ZnfVj63DFIgzw3+e3z05ZAwYSjfYzzTLDV51MPnep47R4yEy1RDFFY14= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MSe+LBJrhtBFeGVdPqkJk6aJiTRCggCuFamt/ydHBFLowK5ztdhXI+3Hpc83pv7dBCjkIkGwUDCCgA8xlTzGqXDXG4oUQY4M2cdIddafBjPoTonWkboPcTUb8rdVmNI2ZtGXlBspQ2TM5EywXps/TqB+bDdHGE8rttwfmMezEik=; X-YMail-OSG: zcsCEC4VM1kqBbwMi8KKip7_pOXuYfZGukR7gLQk9XuX96V D_4Vm.IfwDfwtaUSTbcIXmW04udNm9syhcU.71JJAc0JWdxAU_ERCB5F_VWC Peafl0DH0ryg5ebAKPnqWXqGByBiOQtgBIKZHf9JDiCI7e_uoKo_JwDVycnN B0bB3gpxq7ZvOzJ4sAQf9viv8mx1BFnKmYCiC1q_8KmoxinAhY1hpLnqPYjQ NyCuD0YDUmVfQwH1vlJ37k88KP1_kpK3n40pfkqJ2cUH88cPLCrH9kgdFZqL Y4vHx.BhyMclBFj2pHsoBM2TRFS3.3GDPLUUKzjviWY7q5_OuBa2wVyYh7Ii wFY3Y.RUXN.hRz_H7jAvNRrHBGq_Yf9C8edrJgta_gwkGz6JdhkuQDJ9077w NjH7WC3lB_oRQXzRubWYD7Qp9nvl1_Y1I3zsoUxXw3Gn2Ee3votuB6VvyxMO Uux697X9Y3bVihkxGxzV559yI3ydOBP6m Received: from [86.164.62.42] by web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:53:33 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338642928.56058.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1338645213.47892.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:53:33 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <1338642928.56058.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All thanks for the help to date now going QRT on the off channel qrg now back to RX only on opera. mni 73 Pete Mofmt. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 14:15 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.69 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f64a6c8ea7591cecbecc6db95ffdd328 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial... NOW QRT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-152950803-1338645213=:47892" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:434020192:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m411.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fca1b2f7bf6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-152950803-1338645213=:47892 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All thanks for the help to date now going QRT on the off channel qrg now= back to RX only on opera.=0Amni 73 Pete Mofmt.=0A=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT= IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: M0FMT =0ATo: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 14:15=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 50= 1.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A =0A=0AHi Paul as near as I can measure 503.276kc/s= from a cold counter. Tnx for your interest.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91U= X=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Clemens Paul =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ACc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.= co.uk =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 12:58=0ASubject: LF: Re: beacon on 50= 1.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0A>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial set= ting =0A=C2=A0 =0AWhat is the actual tx qrg then? =0AJust for exactly looki= ng if the signal is visible at =0Aall. =0A=C2=A0 =0A73=0AClemens=0ADL4RAJ = =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org =0A>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM =0A>Subject: LF: be= acon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Please report my= beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.=0A>=0A>73 Pe= te FMT=0A> =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>_________________= _______________=0A>=C2=A0 =0A>E-Mail ist virenfrei.=0A>Von AVG =0A =C3=BC= berpr=C3=BCft - www.avg.de=0A>Version: 2012.0.2178 =0A / Virendatenbank: 2= 425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012 ---1613889061-152950803-1338645213=:47892 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All thanks for t= he help to date now going QRT on the off channel qrg now back to RX only on= opera.
mni 73 Pete Mofmt.
73 e= s GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
<= b>From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo= .co.uk>
To: "rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 14:15=
Subject: Re: LF: Re: = beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi Paul as near as I can measure 503.276kc/s fro= m a cold counter. Tnx for your interest.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: Clem= ens Paul <cpaul@gmx.net>
To:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 12:58
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc= /s USB RX dial

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>on 501= .59kc/s USB RX dial setting
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What is the actual tx qrg then?=0A
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visib= le at =0Aall.
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=0A73
Clemens
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---1613889061-152950803-1338645213=:47892-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7B57C3800009F; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbE4C-0002fu-8u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:54:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbE4B-0002fl-GB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:54:11 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbE49-0002cM-Iw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:54:10 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA162AC3F2; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:54:06 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 028qFcq3e3920M01; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:54:04 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.3] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID061qFcq3e4558X01; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:54:04 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.3 IN dibene@usa.net imap03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID061qFcq3e4558X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.22.185] by imap03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 523qFcq3D2016M23; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:54:04 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.22.185 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:54:01 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, LF Mailing List References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-0, 06/03/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID523qFcq3e2016X23 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I have already voted on the Poll feature of Yahoo (another useful tool of that system), but let me voice here again my complete agreement about the switching to the new system, and the closing down of the Blacksheep reflector. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.31 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090707090601010502000109" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:447182240:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fcb96e969b2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090707090601010502000109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have already voted on the Poll feature of Yahoo (another useful tool of that system), but let me voice here again my complete agreement about the switching to the new system, and the closing down of the Blacksheep reflector. Too many times when I was searching for postings that could be useful for me for one or another reason, I sorely felt the lack of a searchable archive on the old and outdated reflector. And having two groups can only lead to confusion and double posting (like this one...) 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------090707090601010502000109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have already voted on the Poll feature of Yahoo (another useful tool of that system),
but let me voice here again my complete agreement about the switching to the new
system, and the closing down of the Blacksheep reflector.

Too many times when I was searching for postings that could be useful for me for
one or another reason, I sorely felt the lack of a searchable archive on the old
and outdated reflector.

And having two groups can only lead to confusion and double posting (like this one...)

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Gentlemen. I think it a very good idea to have a technical/qso split, this is why I voted to keep both. I would also be very useful if possible to be able to contact members direct through either site on technical issues. I have sent this message via both sites for those who have not migrated [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.199 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 75bd9e83b9a4dd6aff3296cebc5bb885 Subject: RE: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:502259328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m215.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574fcc7c3f714d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Gentlemen. I think it a very good idea to have a technical/qso split, this is why I voted to keep both. I would also be very useful if possible to be able to contact members direct through either site on technical issues. I have sent this message via both sites for those who have not migrated 73 Ken M0KHW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: 04 June 2012 09:06 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Yes, I agree too. It's the best piece of common sense there's been for a while about this. Well done Clive! Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3zjo" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > Yes its a good compromise and I never feel pain or distress when receiving > mails from two sources personally. > > Eddie > > On 04/06/2012 08:40, Graham wrote: >> Yes 'Flash' traffic only on the ref >> >> G. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Clive Lorton" >> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:04 AM >> To: ; >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep >> >>> Gentlemen, >>> >>> I'm beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. >>> Blacksheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo >>> for technical discussion. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Been Kinda out of any loop on this BUT if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct chip set it will cover MF to HF using an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with my SDR IQ which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set HDSDR will run that TV dangle as a HF radio [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.136.55.36 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (riese-k3djc[at]juno.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 9af9bda535a078107136d2385fe00312 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_6358.05b6.0605 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_JUNO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:503166624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m004.1 ; domain : juno.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fe8afdc237e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_6358.05b6.0605 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Been Kinda out of any loop on this BUT if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct chip set it will cover MF to HF using an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with my SDR IQ which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set HDSDR will run that TV dangle as a HF radio ?? Bob K3DJC On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" writes: Hello Pete If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling digital down conversion SDR. It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a LAN interface for remote access. The best bit is that it costs just over 200 inc shipping and VAT. You can find more details here http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description https://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b1022925e I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer. 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message ----- From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Mal The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on LF because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks people have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ----__JNP_000_6358.05b6.0605 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
 
Been Kinda out of any loop on this  
 
BUT
 
if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct = chip=20 set
it will cover MF to HF using  an appropriate program. I use HDSDR= with=20 my SDR IQ
which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set=20 HDSDR
will run that TV dangle as a HF radio
 
??
 
Bob K3DJC
 
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" <tracey.gardner@talktalk.net= >=20 writes:
Hello Pete
 
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new = kid on=20 the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel.
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling= =20 digital down conversion SDR.
It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and = has a=20 LAN interface for remote access.
The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and = VAT.
 
You can find more details here
 
http://= 4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description
 
https://www.box.com/s= /1cd9353fa35b1022925e
 
I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer.
 
73s Tracey G5VU
----- Original Message -----
= From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:= 55=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Mal
 
The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the= =20 price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D=20 converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage = on LF=20 because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound=20 card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its= =20 worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks = people=20 have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. = It=20 looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX = suppiers=20 do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
<= /DIV>
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alan, Mike, Claudio, Thanks for the help! Am 30.06.2012 00:08, schrieb Alan Melia: > Stefan if they are really that old then they mar be deterioration of > the elements. > Seems not to apply for the ones i have. :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f548c2e6c4e712c1eb3dcc8bf83f0d4f Subject: Re: LF: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010909030502070500060606" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:508319424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fee3b271408 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010909030502070500060606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TNVoYE008320 Hi Alan, Mike, Claudio, Thanks for the help! Am 30.06.2012 00:08, schrieb Alan Melia: > Stefan if they are really that old then they mar be deterioration of=20 > the elements. > Seems not to apply for the ones i have. :-) See my results: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/473%20kHz%20ZF%20Filter%201%20dB.png= =20 showing < -1 dB ripple now! Excellent and well suitable for a MF RX. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/473%20kHz%20ZF%20Filter%2040%20dB.pn= g Arrangement:=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/473%20kHz%20ZF%20filter%20Messung.JP= G Capacitive matching is very critical but the resistance may vary +-1=20 kOhm without dramatic changes... I plan to build that filter for a 50 Ohm system. That should allow to=20 use my IC706 in a future kite experiment on MF and use the TX antenna=20 for receiving too... 73, Stefan/DK7FC > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2012 9:26 PM > *Subject:* LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters > > 4th try... > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters > Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 > Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > MF, > > I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 4= 73 > kHz. It is available at > http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.htm= l > (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured= the > frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the > impedances to be connected to the wires. > There is even a datasheet at > http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf > > All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very > sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very ve= ry > high. See the image: > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20= kHz.png > > So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? > > The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and = green > wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and > green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green an= d red > wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. > Helpful was this image from the web > http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg whic= h > shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to t= he > output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as > stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > =20 > --------------010909030502070500060606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TNVoYE008320 Hi Alan, Mike, Claudio,

Thanks for the help!

Am 30.06.2012 00:08, schrieb Alan Melia:
Stefan if they are really that old then they mar be deterioration of the elements.

Seems not to apply for the ones i have. :-)

See my results:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/198= 82028/MF/473%20kHz%20ZF%20Filter%201%20dB.png=A0=A0 showing < -1 dB ripple now! Excellent and well suitable for a MF RX. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19= 882028/MF/473%20kHz%20ZF%20Filter%2040%20dB.png

Arrangement: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19= 882028/MF/473%20kHz%20ZF%20filter%20Messung.JPG

Capacitive matching is very critical but the resistance may vary +-1 kOhm without dramatic changes...

I plan to build that filter for a 50 Ohm system. That should allow to use my IC706 in a future kite experiment on MF and use the TX antenna for receiving too...

73, Stefan/DK7FC



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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:26 PM
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters

4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betre= ff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum= : Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: = Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-h= eidelberg.de>
An: <= /th> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.htm=
l=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
htt=
p://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20=
473%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green=20
wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red=20
wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
h=
ttp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC
--------------010909030502070500060606-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D81E238000091; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl07K-0007Sw-8j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:01:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl07J-0007Sn-KO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:01:49 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sl07H-0006WA-Qx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:01:48 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai4FAMUi709cF/7u/2dsb2JhbABFoF4DlXSBCIITBQEBBQgBAQMQOQIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd+u0uLO4J+gxwDiBeFN5dpgl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,503,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="543594172" Received: from host-92-23-254-238.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.238]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 17:01:34 +0100 Message-ID: <001701cd56d9$9e02ad80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008501cd56d5$f5c084b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <0384C214D0514315B65DAD68864962C1@W1KW> <000b01cd56d8$84122a00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:01:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Geri There is someone extremely weak on the frequency but no good for a cw qso at present. Strange where the strong signal went to !! I just happened to be in the shack at the time when the stn tuned up and suddenly went QRT. mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6bb858db23df2b82c4f5a8cb512b45b1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: test 476.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CD56D9.9DCE3000" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:478088832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4fef231f7609 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CD56D9.9DCE3000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geri There is someone extremely weak on the frequency but no good for a cw = qso at present. Strange where the strong signal went to !! I just happened to be in the shack at the time when the stn tuned up and = suddenly went QRT. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:53 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: test 476.5 Geri I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST and some V's for a few = seconds was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it DK7FC De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: LF: Re: test 476.5 Mal, I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX 502. 73 Geri, DK8KW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: LF: test 476.5 Stn tst on 476.5 599=20 qsx 502=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CD56D9.9DCE3000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Geri
There is someone extremely weak on the frequency = but no=20 good for a cw qso at present. Strange where the strong signal went to=20 !!
I just happened to be in the shack at the time = when the=20 stn tuned up and suddenly went QRT.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 3:53=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: test = 476.5

Geri
I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST and = some V's=20 for a few seconds was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it=20 DK7FC
De mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Holger = 'Geri', DK8KW -=20 DI2BO - W1KW
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 3:47=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: test = 476.5

Mal,
 
I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, = QSX=20 502.
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, June 30, = 2012 5:35=20 PM
Subject: LF: test = 476.5

Stn tst on 476.5 599
qsx 502
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK Mal  Thanks for the info. It is reasuring. However I have just built the driver stage as per Rik's Transv. and get a nice square wave from very rippling input, into the gate an IRF540 (50P ea incl p&p China) single ended arangement looks ok on the scope at the drain. I have 14v from the PSU not measured current yet. I get 110VP-P across a 50 Ohm load I think thats about 30watt's. The master osc is a Square wave from a DDS..... So far so good. I have a gate type keyer as per Stefans arangement .... real mix and match eh?. Removed connector from dummy load and connected to coupling link on my tuner not checked the volts across this yet. Counter goes nuts....... think its overload then look at DDS display it is dim. The ant current indicator is good, not calibrated but can tell there is RF current (0.7A) there (but on what QRG?). Connect back on to the dummy load every thing is OK again counter OK DDS OK. I normally use Xtal control in my other rigs either div /8 or Xtal mixer with no problem.  So I am getting RF back into the DDS or its PSU when the ant is connected ...... sorry about tail of woe.  Think I will use a rig as the master osc (better screened) and divide by four like Stefan's hopfully it will not get RF into it, pitty won't be direct read out. Story so far will let you know the ending soon!!! Oh hoping for just over 100Watts with 24v PSU (25% FET max rating). 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It is reasuring. However I have just= built the driver stage as per Rik's Transv. and get a nice square wave fro= m=C2=A0very rippling input, into the gate an IRF540 (50P ea=C2=A0incl p&p C= hina) single ended arangement looks ok on the scope at the drain. I have 14= v from the PSU not measured current yet. I get 110VP-P across a 50 Ohm load= I think thats about 30watt's. The master osc is a Square wave from a DDS..= ... So far so good. I have a gate type keyer as per Stefans arangement ....= real mix and match eh?.=0ARemoved connector from dummy load and connected = to coupling link on my tuner not checked the volts across this yet. Counter= goes nuts....... think its overload then look at DDS display it is dim. Th= e ant current indicator is good, not calibrated but can tell there=C2=A0is= =C2=A0RF current (0.7A)=C2=A0there (but on what QRG?). Connect back on to t= he dummy load every thing is OK again counter OK DDS OK. I normally use Xta= l control in my other rigs either div /8 or Xtal mixer with no problem.=0A= =C2=A0=0ASo I am getting RF back into the DDS or its PSU when the ant is co= nnected ...... sorry about tail of woe.=0A=C2=A0=0AThink I will use a rig a= s the master osc (better screened) and divide by four like Stefan's hopfull= y it will not get RF into it, pitty won't be direct read out.=0AStory so fa= r will let you know the ending soon!!! Oh hoping for just over 100Watts wit= h 24v PSU (25% FET max rating).=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>__= ______________________________=0A> From: mal hamilton =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 14:0= 7=0A>Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A>=EF= =BB=BF =0A>Pete =0A>I find for a class E PA or class C with series resonant= =0Acct at frequency of interest you do not need a LPF. =0A>To resonate the= PA use an Air core inductor and fixed =0Acapicator ie for 500 Khz use 5nF = in series with 20uH inductor. Adjust inductor =0Aslightly up/down in value = to resonate at exact freq of interest. Use an old LOPT =0Acore 8 turns Prim= 24 turns Sec. The wire does not have to be Litz. Prim 2.5mm =0Aelec wire a= nd Sec 1mm. I have used both litz and elec wire and find no =0Adifference. = =0A>A couple of hours should build this type of =0ATX =0A>=0A>g3kev =0A>=C2= =A0 =0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:31 =0AAM =0A>>S= ubject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Ri= k =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>Many thanks for your very useful information. I hope oth= ers find this as well. =0A>>Yes I said in an earlier mail what the PA and = driver would cost from E-bay (my supplier of choice... :o)) but at least t= hey are obtainable. =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>The current hold are=C2=A0the Ferrite= s or the Iron Dust toriods. This is the usual problem because one black ir= on ring looks very much like another. Once you have it in your hands you c= an do a test. What I do is to put a few turns on an unknown core and measu= re the inductance then compare the results with the theoretical value obta= ined from a range of cores with the same dimensions using "Mini Core" SW.= =C2=A0At the moment I have a source for the T1 core but not the choke. And = surprisingly I can't find the T80-2s they were every where once upon a tim= e. Anyway I do have a variety of cores that will probably do for the O/P= =C2=A0filtre. One day I will find a design I=C2=A0 can kit perfectly. =0A>= >=C2=A0 =0A>>I like your transverter, I am getting torn between projects ri= ght now. Q6 / Q7 driver as you say can be reproduced for each FET gate che= aply in fact=C2=A0I have the parts! =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>I will now crawl into= my cave and start to build. Thanks to you and Stefan. =0A>>=0A>>73 es GL = Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>________________________________=0A>>From:= Rik Strobbe =0A>>To: "rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org" =0A>>Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 8= :49=0A>>Subject: RE: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A>>=C2=A0 = =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hello=C2=A0Pete, =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>I=C2=A0assume=C2=A0that t= he more=C2=A0exotic=C2=A0parts are the power=C2=A0FET (IRFZ48N) and the=C2= =A0driver IC (ICL7667). =0A>>The=C2=A0IRFZ48N is a=C2=A055V /=C2=A064A / 0= .014 Ohm device. For a=C2=A0first=C2=A0try=C2=A0you=C2=A0could=C2=A0replac= e=C2=A0it=C2=A0by=C2=A0far more=C2=A0common=C2=A0IRF460=C2=A0that is=C2=A01= 00V /=C2=A028A / 0.06 Ohm. =0A>>A bit of=C2=A0reverse engineering: Stefan= =C2=A0states=C2=A050W output at 80% efficiency =3D=C2=A062.5W input =3D=C2= =A05.2A at 12V. =0A>>So=C2=A0with a=C2=A028A=C2=A0device=C2=A0you are=C2=A0= on the safe side. =0A>>The=C2=A0larger Ron (0.06 Ohm=C2=A0vs 0.014 Ohm)=C2= =A0will (in theory)=C2=A0reduce the efficiency.=C2=A0But=C2=A05.2A in 0.014= Ohm is=C2=A0only=C2=A0about=C2=A00.4W loss (for a IRFZ48N). For a=C2=A0IR= F460=C2=A0it is=C2=A05.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D=C2=A01.6W loss. =0A>>So=C2=A0the= =C2=A0losses (12.5W) are=C2=A0probably more=C2=A0due to the non perfect=C2= =A0switching=C2=A0than=C2=A0due to the Ron of the FETs. =0A>>An=C2=A0altern= ative=C2=A0for the=C2=A0ICL7667 is a=C2=A0TC4426=C2=A0or a=C2=A0homebrew= =C2=A0driver (see http://www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transve= rter_full.gif/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif). =0A>>=C2= =A0 =0A>>73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0ON7YD - OR7T =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>=0A>>___________= _____________________=0A>> =0A>>Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk]=0A>>Ve= rzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 20:41=0A>>Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g=0A>>Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A>>=0A>> = =0A>>Hi Stefan =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>I like this and would like to make to make = it. I so far have tracked down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of s= o many construction projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are = Kits........ no chance of that I suppose? =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>There will be t= hose who tell me its easy to get the bits=C2=A0but unless you work for a c= ompany that uses this stuff it can not be slipped through the "Purchasing"= =C2=A0it becomes a positive stop!! =0A>>Like the Litz I just put that in o= ne of our big outfits with min orders and it said it had over one hundred = thousand Litz and promptly collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T1= ) wow and its not a min order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated fr= om 0.125 Cu/En?=C2=A0 Hmm it's plaited ? =0A>>Wima caps are available from= Maplin haven't checked in depth but they usually are. =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>I = like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. by = four. =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>Generally=C2=A0I buy my power FETs by the hand full= off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never min= d the quality but feel the width... principle)=C2=A0and the drivers TC ran= ge for slightly more. =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>I'll keep searching for a bit but i= f anyone has a kitting list (UK source) may be they could publish it?=C2= =A0 =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but i= n context it is new and worth while thanks!=0A>> =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>________________________________=0A>>From: Stefa= n Sch=C3=A4fer =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 16:53=0A>>Subject: Re:= LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Hi MF, =0A>>=0A>>L= ate at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com= /u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png=C2=A0 (picture of prototype https://= dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG)=0A>>= =0A>>Most =0A of the parts are not critical. =0A>>=0A>>The ferrite cores a= re the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are in the image. But you m= ay use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the primary and secondary numbe= r of turns.=0A>>=0A>>There are many =0A alternatives, also to the FETs. In= stead of the IRZF48N you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resist= ance but a higher input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try= to many parts. Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a co= mpromise between low on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Sour= ce voltage should be 55V for a 12V supply.=0A>>=0A>>Instead of RF litz wire= (i use this one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D5= 7206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire o= r better 5x0.4mm or what you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or= less.=0A>>=0A>>The overall =0A dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10= cm x 3cm, so it is quite compact and =0A since it runs from a 12V battery = you can use it for /p tests. Also you can of =0A course use more than 2 po= wer steps by using a multi step switch and more taps.=0A>>=0A>>A =0A DDS s= ignal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal coming from a = =0A HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the peak inp= ut =0A voltage exceeds 5 Vp.=0A>>=0A>>73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A>>=0A>>PS: Yes, i= t =0A is nothing new and someone has done it before!=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Am =0A 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT: =0A>>Hi again Stefa= n =0A>>>=C2=A0 =0A>>>The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.........= . :@(( =0A>>>=0A>>>Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that= could be stranded up to make a synth? =0A>>>=0A>>>=C2=A0 =0A>>>73 es GL P= ete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>>=0A>>>From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=0A>>>To: m= ailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>= >>Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22=0A>>>Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 k= Hz PA running at 12 VDC=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Hi Stefan =0A>>>http://www.ebay.co= .uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/160818253496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Elec= trical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8 =0A>>>Just over =C2=A35= a pop! =0A>>>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSF= ET-DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Di= tem256f326077 =0A>>>Just over =C2=A36 a pop! =0A>>>But what is the =E2=80= =9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0) =0A>>>= Chees Pete FMT =0A>>>=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 mailto:j= pm.f1afj@online.fr=0A>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>Sent: Thursd= ay, 28 June 2012, 9:42=0A>>>Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running a= t 12 VDC=0A>>> =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Hello Stephan ,=0A>>>Me too =0A>>>73=C2=A0= , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ=C2=A0 =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Le 28/06/2012 10:3= 6, M0FMT a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:=0A>>> =0A>>>Hi Stephan =0A>>>>=0A>>>>Me Too= =0A>>>>=0A>>>> =0A>>>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>>>=0A>>>>From: "PA1SDB= , Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org=0A>>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= >>>>Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12=0A>>>>Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz= PA running at 12 VDC=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>> =0A>>>>like =0A>>>>=0A>>>>----- = Original Message ----- =0A>>>>>From: Rik Strobbe =0A>>>>>To: rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org =0A>>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM =0A>>>>>Su= bject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =0A>>>>>=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>>If=C2= =A0someone is=C2=A0interested i=C2=A0may=C2=A0convert the circuit=C2=A0fr= om=C2=A0my=C2=A0mind=C2=A0into a schematic as a=C2=A0png file. =0A>>>>>=0A= >>>>>Always=C2=A0interested ;-) =0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0ON7YD - = OR7T=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>=0A>= > =0A>=0A> --1507048413-2069354455-1340993161=:15959 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK Mal
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Thanks for the info. It is reasuri= ng. However I have just built the driver stage as per Rik's Transv. and get= a nice square wave from very rippling input, into the gate an IRF540 = (50P ea incl p&p China) single ended arangement looks= ok on the scope at the drain. I have 14v from the PSU not measured current= yet. I get 110VP-P across a 50 Ohm load I think thats about 30watt's. The = master osc is a Square wave from a DDS..... So far so good. I have a gate t= ype keyer as per Stefans arangement .... real mix and match eh?.
Removed connector from dummy load and connected to coupling li= nk on my tuner not checked the volts across this yet. Counter goes nuts....= ... think its overload then look at DDS display it is dim. The ant current indicator is good, not calibrated but can tell there is RF current (0.7A) there (but on what QRG?). Connect back = on to the dummy load every thing is OK again counter OK DDS OK. I normally = use Xtal control in my other rigs either div /8 or Xtal mixer with no probl= em.
 
So I am getting RF= back into the DDS or its PSU when the ant is connected ...... sorry about = tail of woe.
 
Think I w= ill use a rig as the master osc (better screened) and divide by four like S= tefan's hopfully it will not get RF into it, pitty won't be direct read out= .
Story so far will let you know the ending soo= n!!! Oh hoping for just over 100Watts with 24v PSU (25% FET max rating).
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Sent: Frida= y, 29 June 2012, 14:07
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
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=0A
Pete
=0A
I find for a class= E PA or class C with series resonant =0Acct at frequency of interest you d= o not need a LPF.
=0A
To resonate the = PA use an Air core inductor and fixed =0Acapicator ie for 500 Khz use 5nF i= n series with 20uH inductor. Adjust inductor =0Aslightly up/down in value t= o resonate at exact freq of interest. Use an old LOPT =0Acore 8 turns Prim = 24 turns Sec. The wire does not have to be Litz. Prim 2.5mm =0Aelec wire an= d Sec 1mm. I have used both litz and elec wire and find no =0Adifference.
=0A
A couple of hours should build this= type of =0ATX
=0A
 
=0A
g3kev
=0A
 
=0A
=  
=0A
=0A
----- Original Message -----
=0A
From: =0A M0FMT
=0A =0A
Sent: = Friday, June 29, 2012 11:31 =0AAM
=0A
Subject: Re: = LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA =0A running at 12 VDC
=0A

=0A =
=0A
Hi Rik
=0A
 
=0A
Ma= ny thanks for your very useful information. I hope others find =0A this as= well.
=0A
Yes I said in an earlier mail what the P= A and driver would cost =0A from E-bay (my supplier of choice... :o)) but = at least they are =0A obtainable.
=0A
 = ;
=0A
The current hold are the Ferrites or the Iron D= ust toriods. =0A This is the usual problem because one black iron ring loo= ks very much like =0A another. Once you have it in your hands you can do a= test. What I do is to put =0A a few turns on an unknown core and measure = the inductance then compare the =0A results with the theoretical value obt= ained from a range of cores with the =0A same dimensions using "Mini Core"= SW. At the moment I have a sour= ce for the T1 core but not the choke. And surprisingly =0A I can't f= ind the T80-2s they were every where once upon a time. Anyway I do =0A hav= e a variety of cores that will probably do for the O/P filtre. One day= =0A I will find a design I  can kit perfectly.
=0A  
=0A
I like your transverter, I am get= ting torn between projects right =0A now. Q6 / Q7 driver as you say can be= reproduced for each FET gate cheaply in =0A fact I have the parts!
=0A
 
=0A
I will now crawl in= to my cave and start to build. Thanks to you and =0A Stefan.
=0A  
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
=0A =
=0A
=0A=
From: Rik =0A = Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =0A <rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, =0A 8:49
Subject: RE: LF: Re: RE: =0A 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=
 

=0A =0A
=0A =0A=0A <= div>=0A
=0A
Hello Pete,
=0A
 
=0A I assume tha= t the more exotic parts are the =0A p= ower FET (IRFZ48N) and the driver IC = =0A (ICL7667).
=0A
The IRFZ48N is a = 55V / 64A / 0.014 Ohm =0A device. For a&nb= sp;first try you could replace = ;it by=  far =0A more common IRF460&= nbsp;that is 100V / 28A / 0.06 =0A Oh= m.
=0A
A bit of reverse =0A engineering: Stefan states 50W output at 80%= efficiency =3D 62.5W input =3D = ;5.2A at 12V.
=0A
So with= a 28A device you are on the safe side.
=0A
The larger Ron (0.06 =0A Ohm vs 0.014 Ohm) will (in theory) reduce<= /a> the efficiency. But 5.2A in 0.014 Ohm =0A is only about 0.4= W loss (for= a IRFZ48N). For a IRF460 it is&nb= sp;5.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D 1.6W =0A loss.
=0A
So the&nb= sp;losses (12.5W) are probably =0A more&nb= sp;due to the non perfect switching<= a href=3D"" rel=3D"nofollow"> than due to the Ron of the FETs.
=0A
An alternative for th= e ICL7667 is =0A a TC4426 or =0A= a homebrew driver (see http://www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/= 500khz_transverter_full.gif/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_= full.gif).
=0A
 
= =0A
73, Rik  ON7YD - =0A OR7T
=0A <= div> 
=0A
=0A
=0A Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org =0A [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT =0A [m0fmt= @yahoo.co.uk]
Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 =0A 20:41
= Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: =0A Re:= RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

=0A
=0A =
=0A
=0A =
Hi Stefan
=0A
&= nbsp;
=0A
I like this and would like to m= ake to make it. I so =0A far have tracked down most bits but as usual the = Unobtainium<= /span> of so many construction projects =0A that fall at the last hurdle u= nless they are Kits........ no chance of that I =0A suppose?=
=0A
 
=0A
= There will be those who tell me its easy to get the = =0A bits but unless you work for a company that uses this stuff it ca= n not be =0A slipped through the "Purchasing" it becomes a positive s= top!! =0A
=0A
Like the Litz I = just put that in one of our big =0A outfits with min orders and it said it= had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly =0A collapsed. But they have =0A one of the toroids (= T1) wow and its not a min order =0A either double wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 =0A Cu/E= n?  Hmm= =0A it's plaited ?
=0A
Wima<= /span> caps are available from Maplin haven't checked =0A in depth but they usu= ally are.
=0A
 
=0A
I like the idea of using a DD= S or Transceiver a= s a master = osc source div. by =0A four.
=0A
 
=0A
Ge= nerally I buy my power FETs by the hand full =0A off E-bay they may not b= e ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the =0A quality but feel the = width... principle) and the drivers TC range for =0A slightly more.
=0A
 
=0A
<= font size=3D"3">I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting = =0A list (UK source) may be they could publish it? 
=0A =
 
=0A
And tha= nks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in =0A context it is new and= worth while thanks!
=0A
73 es GL Pete M= 0FMT IO91UX=
=0A
=0A
=0A
  =0A
From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer =0A <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de>
To: rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sent= : Thursday, 28 June =0A 2012, 16:53
Subject: Re: LF: =0A Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running a= t 12 VDC

=0A
=0A
Hi MF, =0A
Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dro= pbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png  =0A (picture of pr= ototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%= 20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG)

Most =0A of the parts are not crit= ical.

The ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 =0A material. De= tails are in the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively =0A and d= ouble the primary and secondary number of turns.

There are many =0A = alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N you may try a =0A IRF1405. Thi= s =0A one has a lower on-resistance but a higher input capacity. Maybe it = works even =0A better, i didn't try to many parts. Switching times are not= critical. So you =0A need to find a compromise between low on resistance = and input capacity while =0A the Drain-Source voltage should be 55V for a = 12V supply.

Instead of RF =0A litz wire (i =0A use this one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57= 206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30 =0A ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. C= u wire or better 5x0.4mm or what you =0A have. It just affects the efficie= ncy, more or less.

The overall =0A dimensions of this prototype are= 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is quite compact and =0A since it runs from a 12= V battery you can use it for /p tests. Also you can of =0A course use more= than 2 power steps by using a multi step switch and more taps.

A =0A = DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal coming fr= om a =0A HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the pea= k input =0A voltage exceeds 5 Vp.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Yes, it =0A is= nothing new and someone has done it before!






Am = =0A 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT: =0A
=0A =0A
Hi again Stefan
=0A
 
=0A The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg =0A reel.......... :@((
=0A
 
=0A
Do you create your own I have = 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be =0A stranded up to make a synth?
= =0A

 
=0A
73 es GL =0A Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A =
=0A
=0A
From: M0FMT mailto:m0= fmt@yahoo.co.uk
To:= mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
<= b>Sent: Thursday, 28 June =0A= 2012, 10:22
Subject: Re: =0A LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

=0A =
=0A
=0A
=0A
Hi Stefan
=0A =0A
Just over =C2=A35 a po= p!
=0A =0A
Just over = =C2=A36 a pop!
=0A
But what is the= =E2=80=9CU= nobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?   =0A =E2=80= =A6=E2=80=A6 ;0)
=0A
=0A
Chees Pete= FMT
=0A
   From:<= /b> Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sent: Thursday, 28 June =0A 2012, 9:42
Subject: Re: LF: =0A Re: RE: 4= 72 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
=0A
=0A
=0A <= div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-siz= e: 12pt;">
=0A
=0A
Hello Stephan ,Me too
73  , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ  =0A



=0A =
Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a = =0A =C3=A9crit :
=0A
=0A =
=0A Hi Stephan
= =0A
 
=0A
Me Too

=0A
7= 3 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sent: Thursday, 28 June =0A 2012, 9:12
Subject: LF: =0A Re: RE: 47= 2 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

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=0A =0A=0A
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like
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=0A
=0A
----- =0A Original Message ----- =
=0A
From: = =0A Rik Strobbe
=0A =0A
Sent: =0A Thursday, Ju= ne 28, 2012 6:35 AM
=0A
Subject: =0A L= F: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
=0A

=0A =
If someone is&nb= sp;interested =0A i may convert the =0A circuit&nbs= p;from my mind into a schematic as a png =0A fil= e.
=0A
 
=0A
Always interested ;-)
=0A  
=0A
73, Rik&nbs= p; ON7YD - =0A OR7T









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<= /div> --1507048413-2069354455-1340993161=:15959-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BF1FF380000B8; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sar7Y-00080c-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:24:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sar7Y-00080T-Fb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:24:08 +0100 Received: from nm21-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.205]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sar7W-0006Fw-P5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:24:07 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.234] by nm21.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 16:24:04 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 16:24:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 16:24:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 914096.20484.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 34411 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2012 16:24:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=aotTMvnKD3yTcYQzv/36P5XqZ4NTFXoATTi2tSiyAx3wqKjVDRWtMEkOTvVKig77P+seRF3J8NAH2ppMUafbVAyC1z6GOA94pW+0kKVxpzG1la3/aSuqbzgr10MKxVIlNX54DNCbR5fE8QnNoc4FshqFfZI+67O0JxkQattrtco= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1338654244; bh=RTSZkxXh9017YI1NCV1VOZsC142p2zZ8i5Vy6hr6T2g=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=zV4MpIW24HVQCd93Vka7Hpnr3cqrFnBUXP+7gOw/TJoHzDbc0t5KcD54DxwCJLBQ3udsDK8jcCN8wUUlDcyOGwjyeZuu30VaM/GCo9ZJ8fU73eWy4yIY4y04GK+wrbwdywDaAGCl0/4SWYbGl3/PBYMdLcf9/55w5/tPms7MKe4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: TZfsGasVM1niR2HME_PLz_dgA8bcYlU_xKSPidRPg8ocnUt Q28FL3Zk6omUOKYPdtl2IPh5PQWOJ8L6x86vPNGpbR5cRkE77MQ0F.myBdqO 0DUUs4QpioFx2xg8cP8DpdHZPQdkXMJQluPh1KECn1vi7jpfdcgfsRa6ZIgw .9Ve2oyDT92diYTw28WOQYSg.dV6rept0Co8lEDfSXc7CHsIz_BLnxylFggJ w0Qhe4kCCi8fhihi8R9PKGU13iyT0vNEr.F08Q7qP7fR7cOadBkFQZBc38.S .ySVbkuONdTErYMofmCQm4cyp6D8MpdwniKvt1xtBBLrzRQ3rnCsLv4Joba2 x3XfzhUfxryU0dsHKqzSMh8WZiu5uT37muS6N7W2e_hX_MJJUlVT5soEckp6 fCCno53kU6_syJAKKSZabBaMyJd8YvsMwVLcX_.prjea0gA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: TSPLEfqswBCkXAu6R8U.gZB4K6usTmjOLOcEEoLxraDeRaJTpd5b1BNNnSoo Received: from DennisPC (dennis.easterling@86.176.191.173 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jun 2012 16:24:03 +0000 GMT Message-ID: From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:24:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete Been busy and did not read your emails until it was too late, but judging by reports it looks good, though pity about PC crash. It seems that you sorted out the opera keying, I wonder what was wrong before? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.108.205 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e4d79cc1e5beb0f7c63f6aa3ce129e10 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01CD40DC.1ECFA580" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486732640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d302.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824fca3e652bf0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01CD40DC.1ECFA580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete Been busy and did not read your emails until it was too late, but = judging by reports it looks good, though pity about PC crash. It seems = that you sorted out the opera keying, I wonder what was wrong before? 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:21 AM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01CD40DC.1ECFA580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Pete
 
Been busy and did not read your emails = until it was=20 too late, but judging by reports it looks good, though pity about PC=20 crash.   It seems that you sorted out the opera keying, I = wonder what=20 was wrong before?
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 = 11:21=20 AM
Subject: LF: beacon on = 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01CD40DC.1ECFA580-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 57C2B3800009A; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfxMh-00084l-B3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:04:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfxMg-00084c-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:04:50 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfxMd-00039J-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:04:49 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P64l1j0024U6hVe0364l4w; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:04:46 +0200 Message-ID: <1728F969CC6A46E9B1579E8818B344EB@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8146402EAAE443729F66C932F047B78D@AGB> <4FDCC7A4.6080608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDCC7A4.6080608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:04:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK Stefan, well all you need is to send carrier on ( 477KHz + 1700 Hz) = 478.700 KHz , use Opera set to 500KHz OP4 mode Tx and after 4 mins , you will have a s/n report from all tuned to 477 KHz : ) 17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: ed9dcf4545ec97a65e50af1597e81212 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011B_01CD4BF2.E3A320A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459169024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4fdccaf95f23 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011B_01CD4BF2.E3A320A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Stefan, well all you need is to send carrier on ( 477KHz + 1700 Hz) = =3D 478.700 KHz , use Opera set to 500KHz OP4 mode Tx and = after 4 mins , you will have a s/n report from all tuned to 477 = KHz : ) 17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB =20 G.. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now, = works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW. Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First = tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals. = It's slowly starting here now. I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... I = still have no idea about MF propagation... Exciting! :-) 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham:=20 Ok Stefan ,=20 What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the = RX to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly = into io83lk hihi 73 -G..=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,=20 Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to = extend the range... Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:=20 Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range = .... ! Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise = .should work ?=20 G..=20 http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ ------=_NextPart_000_011B_01CD4BF2.E3A320A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK  Stefan,
 
well   all  you  need  is to  =20 send  carrier  on   ( 477KHz  + 1700 Hz)  = =3D=20    478.700 KHz  , use  Opera  set to  = 500KHz=20   OP4  mode Tx   and  after  4 mins ,  you = will  have  a  s/n report  from  all  = tuned=20 to  477 KHz  : )
 

17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB  

 
G..
 

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key = input=20 now, works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit=20 CW.
Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. = First=20 tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals. = It's=20 slowly starting here now.
I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but = saw/heared=20 nothing in Delft... I still have no idea about MF = propagation...
Exciting!=20 :-)

73, Stefan

Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham:=20
Ok Stefan ,
 
What mode  are  sending  ? opera ?  If  = so =20 then   I will   set the  RX to  = 477 =20 as  well  , Im sure  some  signal  will  = leak   directly into  io83lk  hihi
 
73 -G..

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,

Most useful = link! I=20 forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the=20 range...

Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or = so.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:=20
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the =20 Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  = 477  via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  = 500/477  ,=20 but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/
<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_011B_01CD4BF2.E3A320A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 48D4138000092; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdmff-0004V5-RE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:15:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdmff-0004Uw-6y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:15:27 +0100 Received: from relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net ([217.69.40.75] helo=uk1rly2283.eechost.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sdmfd-00016L-LW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:15:26 +0100 Received: from [88.151.27.235] (helo=Shack) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SdmbK-0008GC-Ev for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:10:58 +0100 Message-ID: <57131D54FA1241D8BBE53212C31F7BF0@Shack> From: "Tony" To: References: <004201cd4730$cc020860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <004201cd4730$cc020860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:15:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Auth-Info: 3810@permanet.ie (login) X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 217.69.40.75 (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net) used invalid HELO/EHLO uk1rly2283.eechost.net - verification failed X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 70% Yahoo 10% Black Sheep 19% Continue with both No idea who the other 1% is ;-) Tony, EI8JK [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [217.69.40.75 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (tonybaldwin[at]yahoo.com) 1.0 FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 'From' yahoo.com does not match 'Received' headers 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f1498eebf16822c5ea85527a90413169 Subject: LF: Re: Votes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CD4734.FF237E00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438224288:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fd4e47b789d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CD4734.FF237E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 70% Yahoo 10% Black Sheep 19% Continue with both No idea who the other 1% is ;-) Tony, EI8JK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM Subject: LF: Votes Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many = voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to = go. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CD4734.FF237E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
70% Yahoo
10% Black Sheep
19% Continue with both
 
No idea who the other 1% is = ;-)
 
Tony, EI8JK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 5:45 PM
Subject: LF: Votes

Well
Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo = group. Out of=20 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo = was the=20 way to go.
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CD4734.FF237E00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 90F1E3800015D; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaYCp-0003av-84 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:12:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaYCo-0003am-DN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:12:18 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaYCl-00035n-OU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:12:17 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q51KCESg015810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:12:14 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q51KCDJP010456 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:12:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4FC921C8.9010705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:10:48 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7F143.7080106@psk31.plus.com> <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> In-Reply-To: <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Peter, I'm not sure if there are new versions that do the job in one instance. But normally you need the sample rate detector in each SL instance separately. What version are you using? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: Re: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452444672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fc9227c3009 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Peter, I'm not sure if there are new versions that do the job in one instance. But normally you need the sample rate detector in each SL instance separately. What version are you using? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 01.06.2012 20:50, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hello... > > I was wondering the following: > > I have here 4x Spectrum Lab task running at one PC to serve my SUB9KHz > grabber page at www.qsl.net/pa1sdb > I use that Sampling Rate detector in all 4 Spectrum Lab tasks. > Is that OK, or need I only one Sampling Rate detector that callibrates > the other 3 tasks to ? > (one master - 3 clients without that SR cal active) > > 73's Peter - PA1SDB > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B051738000087; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 04:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHQB-0005gl-Kz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:53:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHQB-0005gc-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:53:23 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdHQ8-0003CF-Eg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:53:22 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews07.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.174]) by cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:53:20 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.18]) by cpsps-ews07.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:53:20 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:53:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD30EFF.9070703@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:53:19 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> <4FD1146A.4050602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD1146A.4050602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2012 08:53:19.0872 (UTC) FILETIME=[517C7800:01CD461D] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, Yep, been R/O for 15yrs. About the PY/EU QSO to make things worse :-) In the 80's PCH (Scheveningenradio) had limited MF TOR-channels, as an experiment they opened a duplex 425/512kHz TOR channel. At that time I was working on a "offshore construction vessel" in Campos bay. One evening 500kHz was again filled with EU noise. As an experiment I started up the STB75 (TOR system) had a beautiful link no phasing errors. Cleared a lot of traffic on that channel. Mostly these condition repeats itself a couple consecutive days and last several hours. TX power about 800W into a DUK, which is a fattened vertical 16m. Sea is very favourable for MF. As I explained the QRN in some areas is extremely high. This is also one of the reasons PY doesn't carry Navtex on MF, but on 4MHz. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 7ab87d4d3ea1d9dcb73a78e83fe4d608 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461714176:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fd30f3604b1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, Yep, been R/O for 15yrs. About the PY/EU QSO to make things worse :-) In the 80's PCH (Scheveningenradio) had limited MF TOR-channels, as an experiment they opened a duplex 425/512kHz TOR channel. At that time I was working on a "offshore construction vessel" in Campos bay. One evening 500kHz was again filled with EU noise. As an experiment I started up the STB75 (TOR system) had a beautiful link no phasing errors. Cleared a lot of traffic on that channel. Mostly these condition repeats itself a couple consecutive days and last several hours. TX power about 800W into a DUK, which is a fattened vertical 16m. Sea is very favourable for MF. As I explained the QRN in some areas is extremely high. This is also one of the reasons PY doesn't carry Navtex on MF, but on 4MHz. BTW monitoring Navtex is good to see if there is any condition on MF. I can recommend YAND for this purpose which stores all reception data has filters and graphics to see how conditions are And yes it can also receive Navtex messages. Singapore, Indonesia is a complete hell of static. One ever wondered that QSO's could take place before the discovery of shortwave. Just an impression how Dutch tried to by-pass the Marconi monopoly, the 2400kW VLF sparktransmitter which was constructed in the colony Indonesia. http://www.cdvandt.org/malabar_pictures.htm After finishing this project , some "hamradio" made a QSO with only a few Watts on shortwave. The project was a complete waste of money. Jan/pa3abk On 7-6-2012 22:51, Stefan Schfer wrote: > Hi Jan, > > Thanks for the email, most interesting! So i'm really looking forward > to such special condx! Do i understand you correctly, you have had a > 2-way QSO on 500 kHz with a PY station? Sounds as magic as 50 MHz or so. > Ah, when i read to the end to your mail it rather sounds as if you > have been working as the radio operator on a ship? > I have an idea: Tell it to me in a loooooooong MF CW QSO, rag chewing > as some say... :-) > > Also thanks for the IARU link. What i find interesting is the comment > from TF2JB. I wonder if TF3HZ knows him? Maybe a good adress to ask > for common projects with Iceland below 1 MHz. > > 73, Stefan > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BB3D13800008D; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 07:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfrFA-0005dY-My for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:32:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfrFA-0005dP-1e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:32:40 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfrF8-0001an-CD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:32:38 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d64 with ME id NzYZ1j0074U6hVe03zYZCa; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:32:36 +0200 Message-ID: <6127C0D605D3463B803A5D57D87FEC56@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> <1339767393.38173.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1339767393.38173.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:32:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Up to now , 477 is the only frequency on offer ? G. From: M0FMT Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 11963a33d604c33786d8f1de94ce267f Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD4BBC.1A31F970" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:416500448:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fdc6f32614f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD4BBC.1A31F970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Up to now , 477 is the only frequency on offer ? G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? I'd go with that Albert. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Albert To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD4BBC.1A31F970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Up to now , 477 is the  only  frequency   on = offer=20 ?
 
G.

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

I'd go with that Albert.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Albert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, 15 = June 2012,=20 10:54
Subject: Re: = LF: RE: New=20 Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

G,

Just to = start the=20 discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz.

73,=20 Albert





------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD4BBC.1A31F970-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 284E738000097; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 08:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb9yL-0006vO-Ns for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:31:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb9yL-0006vF-6m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:31:53 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb9yJ-0001Aj-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:31:52 +0100 Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so1682879wib.10 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kbrfc2BOfWHJgifnrXY+EsAjGj/yQrov53qJjC/MxYE=; b=vHhkwZKxBuDpXeOOotSIxj667HWEr5+djrO8vSX6LwREzBVG/VQ59B1hxWvCNdm+cH rdNsZ/9UzDnHQyZrOyXiq7+WCa5MedMv5kZvIl8fj8//RKsVpixpkyhzvazmV4b6r7n8 vMNewkrpNcJxUOBADou0HGQByU4t9bDSZDasnIygBT1kwKaYF8OIIcWvwyDWEEYAHoch es6uCc3Brkqu76I73O88ZvUH7hZevEG6OAZ1mW9qg3du7GUuCw+Y4KlL8xyZV1D46z9f HQSdWRU09j7SdJCe+2pLMjqXB/OlKjueeg41q3e2MyOFDExtENPJA4Av2TxJZO8EcM46 1J6w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.212.234 with SMTP id y84mr8015272weo.81.1338726706808; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 05:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.92.133 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 05:31:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCB4FAE.5070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCB4FAE.5070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:31:46 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about. Everything this reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be achieved with the new Yahoo Group. Please, support it. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ce0e5a4ae990e5a63db3ab7aea21191b Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d59009cf86b404c19099b5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461249536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m019.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fcb596d5459 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0016e6d59009cf86b404c19099b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about. Everything this reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be achieved with the new Yahoo Group. Please, support it. 73s Roger G3XBM On 3 June 2012 12:51, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > > > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ --0016e6d59009cf86b404c19099b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan,

Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about. E= verything this reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be achieved with the n= ew Yahoo Group.

Please, support it.

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 3 June 2012 12:51, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote= :





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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://ww= w.g3xbm.co.uk
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(VPS 120621-1, 21/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Grahan .mmmmm 10 feet?? that could reduce your effective height to 10feet makingi it 6dB (maybe not quite that bad) worse than the 40 foot pole on its own. The only plus point would be if that "radial" gives you a substantial reduction in ground loss.....which I doubt is the case. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.77 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD5015.726947D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:280510400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d005.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fe3bb544d04 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD5015.726947D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Grahan .mmmmm 10 feet?? that could reduce your effective height to = 10feet makingi it 6dB (maybe not quite that bad) worse than the 40 foot = pole on its own. The only plus point would be if that "radial" gives you = a substantial reduction in ground loss.....which I doubt is the case.=20 Seriously you do need to measure it to get the best out of a difficult = situation.......no amount of urban myth will give the right answer. = Remember higher "aerial current" is no use if its going straight to = ground (like a shunt cap across the feed point) and not traversing the = radiation resistance. You want as much current as possible to flow = though the radiation resistance (the vertical bit connected to the feed = point) then you want a big cap (=3Dlow impedance) from the top of the = loading coil to earth for the "return current" (low loss resistance) = Not a very technical way of describing it :-)) even capacitance from = the active pole to ground gives some loss....the inductive top load = reduces that by reducing the voltage on that section. Alan ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD5015.726947D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Grahan .mmmmm 10 feet?? that could = reduce your=20 effective height to 10feet makingi it 6dB (maybe not quite that = bad) worse=20 than the 40 foot pole on its own. The only plus point would be if that = "radial"=20 gives you a substantial reduction in ground loss.....which I doubt is = the case.=20
 
Seriously you do need to measure it to = get the best=20 out of a difficult situation.......no amount of urban myth will give the = right=20 answer. Remember higher "aerial current" is no use if its going straight = to=20 ground (like a shunt cap across the feed point) and not traversing the = radiation=20 resistance. You want as much current as possible to flow though the = radiation resistance (the vertical bit connected to the feed point) then = you=20 want a big cap (=3Dlow impedance) from the top of the loading coil =  to earth=20 for the "return current" (low loss resistance)  Not a very = technical way of=20 describing it :-))  even capacitance from the active pole to ground = gives=20 some loss....the inductive top load reduces that by reducing the voltage = on that=20 section.
 
Alan
 
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Content preview: tnx fer report om ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Eberhard v.Wedelstädt"" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: Re: LF: 472khz > hi Nils, > > i hear you > > audible up to good audible > > > 73, Eberhard, DL3ZID > [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.41.46.226 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 0b2d339ae1d48966556dfb6ad64e2bce Subject: Re: LF: 472khz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, I agree. Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF Today' and probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably links to this site from others which will be around for years. Vy 73 all, Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.207 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:416294400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d008.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fcb45186894 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Mal, I agree. Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF Today' and probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably links to this site from others which will be around for years. Vy 73 all, Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status > John > Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious > problems > with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small attachments and > for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked well this > has been pointed out by others. > I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get more > adverts that I do not need. > Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo > de mal/g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pws" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM > Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status > > >> To John, G3WKL, >> >> Please do NOT shut down this reflector. >> >> 1. It's active in positive sense. >> >> 2. There are too many hams here who say >> "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven >> Brave New World were each posting will be >> "googleable" for ever. Me too. >> >> That's the reason I unsubscribed from >> some Yapoo-Groups recently. >> >> 73 Peter, df3lp >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E972D38000095; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiUjr-0002JA-Ff for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:07:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiUjq-0002J1-P7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:07:14 +0100 Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiUjn-0006mZ-UB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:07:13 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2012 18:07:11 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.123] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2012 18:07:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2012 18:07:11 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.com Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 112853.68606.bm@omp1032.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 4628 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2012 18:07:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1340474830; bh=zCuRCuoM5PFRp1aFTrluJtopdYavoMST/C7OT9Qz53o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FYK12vixYDyblYQI/IKh85Eat32PMcHfdCb+l+aIXGhMyPy4imlIEQeFtkD80h/iQ2atuBzdMSmpqlxYMurtOBg+0fvQ7iwK+DIof+dgcsVZ5/vFl2iT8p9aVH6BSJrQaDpziWNl21/7wH9g2Usb3te8G6XegAD9o4bGSlnpiGI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Al8Aw4uRtJoqDAc4GYx9f2bxc45d8Pn8MvFlS/JIPKdPPH3y2Kk1A+xEoC7TEtIuS5+tPyr/GjTSJK/N8bWa/Obu5bYXqy8Q3QdG8t1hggbVWIbnrvLMllbhFDEMEWE0hOUELKyBds1Ml/PwPo6jh3slUs0BTRO5HjBO0Vv/g/Y=; X-YMail-OSG: aXBOHMQVM1mJcDfLBp28r1hWijKB69tgYxpz8VSd0AbY1jY k7zyvzYcfALE28c4X1O2xt_M75MHYJgBSAvvUy.GgST4q3tS3hZS.TTVOlRl uT_e7Wn6BxwrKFNWZqmRZZ_84mBFpBPj_BEqHhWG7fdsjNzTbFXmBHEHdnmw onO3xlyS2ogD4IcQyOEBZ00Q2beZUC8xm9iTaPTkq2Fiqp_WFj7CTvqiKXvM gfxUoc51fXHXEGatRPU_cQe..IyLssomVbiAT_TOaqMVzteFbixTs0EzM6Xq .ck4VN8FDEH5J04HxMadERboBI8TJ2zlStKQ5eqiVRL_q9k1f1k1TWrt4K.s zGLZlpOQPXEaKTZBPfRtaX8wOd.4ZFxJx99XuOcBKH.oaPmGD9POoi0svUKZ RsraEAYUHYUAiPgUdsVdwNlgQ6Tf1Frva_JirnJhLxg_6nzqk4ymNjQmF0GA 0YyGceSlWeWBNu9TfyDaVAyicNcgvLceIiKUy.1Tg4Y0SpfeqXw-- Received: from [87.1.202.124] by web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:07:09 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1474092.1340466836144.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1340474829.4474.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:07:09 +0100 (BST) From: Daniele Tincani To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <1474092.1340466836144.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all, many thanks to all who have been so kind to give me interesting advices like the ones below from Johan and Chris. Some of these circuits I already knew when I built my single-turn air-cored loop (at that time I opted for the M0AYF amplifier, because of its simplicity together with good performance). Now I'm planning to try to build a wideband multi-turn ferrite-cored active antenna, hopefully covering also LF. Do the same amplifiers suit for both kinds of loop (single-turn air-cored and multi-turn ferrite-cored)? 73 Daniele IZ5WWB [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 32d4aaaf019758ff5a0d8e92eec683e6 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1740643075-928118245-1340474829=:4474" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fe606220279 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1740643075-928118245-1340474829=:4474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=0A=A0=0Amany thanks to all who have been so kind to give me interes= ting advices like the ones below from Johan and Chris. Some of these circui= ts I already knew when I built my single-turn air-cored=A0loop=A0(at that t= ime I opted for the M0AYF amplifier, because of its simplicity together wit= h good performance). Now I'm planning to try to build a wideband multi-turn= ferrite-cored active antenna, hopefully covering=A0also LF. Do the same=A0= amplifiers suit for both kinds of loop (single-turn air-cored and multi-tu= rn ferrite-cored)?=0A=A0=0A73=0ADaniele IZ5WWB=0A=A0 =0A=0A________________= ________________=0A Da: Chris Trask =0AA: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: Sabato 23 G= iugno 2012 17:53=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?=0A = =0A>=0A> > so what I would appreciate some suggestions about=0A> > is the r= equired low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in=0A> > air-core br= oadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas?=0A>=0A>=0A> Hi D= aniele,=0A>=0A>you may get some inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier des= ign.=0A> =0A> http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-active-sm-lo= op-antenna.htm=0A>=0A=0A=A0 =A0 This amplifier provides better performance= than either the Wellbrook or Pixel commercial products:=0A=0Ahttp://www.ho= me.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper009.html=0A=0A=0AChris Trask=0AN7ZWY / WD= X3HLB=0ASenior Member IEEE=0Ahttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ ---1740643075-928118245-1340474829=:4474 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
many thanks = to all who have been so kind to give me interesting advices like the ones b= elow from Johan and Chris. Some of these circuits I already knew when I bui= lt my single-turn air-cored loop (at that time I opted for the M0= AYF amplifier, because of its simplicity together with good performance). N= ow I'm planning to try to build a wideband multi-turn ferrite-cored active = antenna, hopefully covering also LF. Do the same  amplifiers suit= for both kinds of loop (single-turn air-cored and multi-turn ferrite-cored= )?
 
73
Daniele IZ5W= WB
 
Da: Chris Trask <= christrask@earthlink.net>
A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
<= b>Inviato: Sabato 23 Giugno 2= 012 17:53
Oggetto: Re:= LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?

>
>= > so what I would appreciate some suggestions about
> > is the= required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in
> > ai= r-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas?
>
>
> Hi Daniele,
>
>you may get some= inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier design.
>
> http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-ac= tive-sm-loop-antenna.htm
>

    This amplifier p= rovides better performance than either the Wellbrook or Pixel commercial pr= oducts:

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper00= 9.html


Chris Trask
N7ZWY / WDX3HLB
Senior Member IEEE<= br>http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/



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Content preview: Triggertron and a delay line (lumped) modern spark set hi From: M0FMT Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:15 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Ken [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: cfcc86a3bdfbba3693e29dd7b2240377 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01CD4896.B430E550" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:497577728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fd727d25d85 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CD4896.B430E550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Triggertron and a delay line (lumped) modern spark set hi From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:15 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Ken I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than = C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I = won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency = output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an = amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low = resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well = into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is = barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in = terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying = to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive = frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain = will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor = will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I = use to bring a PA into optimum performance. What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you = are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there is = enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the = sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate = in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will = detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, = efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP = design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style = unobtainium in the components listing. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Ken To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order = differential equations, partial integration and integration by parts, = the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a = point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET = PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is = because they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the = keep the shack and the cat warm. 73s Ken M0KHW From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Class E etc Hi Ken=20 Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a = good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the = amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET = drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET = fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate = on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage = for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, = a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in = the drain circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow = it with a low pass filter, although the output wave will be surprisingly = clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily know = all the starting parameters and in any case the result is going to wide = of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. Best to use = 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for = fast, very fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the = drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a = dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very = low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good = efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply = voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable = of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly = cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct = drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below = shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy = load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope = then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer = my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer = in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak = voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum = peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. = This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two = turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring = the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak. =20 Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work = well. Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers.=20 For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning = Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... = http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-powera= mps.pdf For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a scalable = surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20 http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CD4896.B430E550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Triggertron and a  delay line (lumped) modern  = spark =20 set  hi

From: M0FMT
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Hi Ken
 
I believe you can=20 operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than C but = they=20 generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. The = high=20 efficiency output stage has to = operate=20 like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it changes = state from=20 fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which means a = device that=20 will operate well into the VHF) the higher the = efficiency. If you=20 have a device that is barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going = to be=20 much good (in terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. = Remember you=20 are trying to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate = in-order to generate a high = electromagnetic=20 field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a = scope on=20 the drain will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain = inductor=20 will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I use = to bring a=20 PA into optimum performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well = but if you=20 are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF = then there=20 is enough empirical data from = following=20 the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that will = get you a=20 good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract = from the=20 time it takes to build a very interesting high power, = efficient TX=20 design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP = design being IMHO=20 a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the components listing.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: Ken=20 <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 11 = June 2012,=20 22:09
Subject: LF: = RE: Class E=20 etc

Hi=20 Pete.
About 40 = years ago my=20 integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial = integration and=20 integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 = dimensional=20 integration of a point in free space .   Looking at some of = the sites=20 my Class C MOSFET PA is = probably more=20 like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because they are = very=20 forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the = cat=20 warm.
 
73s
 
Ken
 
M0KHW
 
From: owner-=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:=20 owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On=20 Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 11 June 2012 = 19:16
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Class E=20 etc
 
 
Hi Ken=20
 
Ha ha = Stefan, how=20 good is your Integration = Ken?
 
Here are a = couple of=20 sites that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load and = a good=20 oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do = with  A/=20 the correct driver preferably using a FET=20 drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the = FET fully on and fully off on = each cycle.=20 Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). = Ensuring=20 the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look = out for=20 transients, a diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting the shunt capacitance = and=20 inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically= See=20 article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although = the=20 output wave will be surprisingly=20 clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily = know=20 all the starting parameters and in any case the result = is going=20 to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. = Best to use=20 'Scope measurements to set=20 the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise = times.=20 Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the=20 key.
These = amplifiers are=20 capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. = This means=20 the heat dissipation from the FET is very=20 low at high power giving cool heat-sinks!<= /SPAN>
 
The GW3UEP=20 (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency&= nbsp;and=20 high power depending upon the FET used=20 and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at = 140watts and is=20 capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is = fairly=20 cool. Adjusting L and C empirically= using=20 the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the = way to=20 go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up = into a=20 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape = on the=20 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I = then=20 transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned = transformer in the antenna up-lead. I = adjust=20 the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner = link=20 turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the = dummy=20 load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by either adding = or=20 reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing = the the=20 transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead = current,=20 here you are looking for the maximum=20 peak.  
 
Oh yes and = WIMA high voltage high value = capacitors from=20 Maplin work=20 well.
 
Read the = articles=20 and search info on class E = amplifiers. 
 
 
For some = bed time=20 reading but ignor the math = look at the=20 Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all = really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Soka= l%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
 
For design = ideas
http://www.classeradio.com/
=
 
For a good = practical=20 circuit for a single ended amp that  is a scalable = surefire=20 design, no need to reinvent the wheel.
http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/
 
For = antennas and=20 antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20
http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/
 
73 es = GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
<= /DIV>

 
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Too many beacons about on LF es MF De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 4:24 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz OPERA activity [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 7aa9ad08848e488e22e0ff1d71f4ef1d Subject: LF: Re: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459745024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cd4fd234a32f34 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Albert Why not QSO mode ???????????? Too many beacons about on LF es MF De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 4:24 PM Subject: LF: 500 kHz OPERA activity > All, > > Beacon in mode OPERA this evening, dial 500kHz USB, carrier abt. 501.7 > kHz. 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Content preview: *Nice OPERA DX last night, thanks to Vladimir, Andrey and Alexey for receiving my signals. * *22:41500 PA0A de RX3DHR Op4 2117 km -22 dB in Zaraysk.* *22:41500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -23 dB in Moscow* [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.26 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: dd7342f7a67c58184f15e70b9d6d7f8e Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070305080303060206060604" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:294927456:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fdadd292398 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070305080303060206060604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *Nice OPERA DX last night, thanks to Vladimir, Andrey and Alexey for receiving my signals. * *22:41500 PA0A de RX3DHR Op4 2117 km -22 dB in Zaraysk.* *22:41500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -23 dB in Moscow* *22:36500 PA0A de RA3TTS Op4_2523 km_ -29 dB in N.Novgorod * *73, Albert PA0A* ** --------------070305080303060206060604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Nice OPERA DX last night, thanks to Vladimir, Andrey and Alexey for receiving my signals.

22:41    500 PA0A de RX3DHR Op4 2117 km -22 dB in Zaraysk    .

22:41    500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -23 dB in Moscow

22:36    500 PA0A de RA3TTS Op4 2523 km -29 dB in N.Novgorod


73, Albert PA0A






--------------070305080303060206060604-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BBB5138036272; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShUDI-0005WF-Rs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:21:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShUDI-0005W6-Bc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:21:28 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShUDG-0007bE-KT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:21:27 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5KNLPpD018521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:21:26 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5KNLPju022842 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:21:25 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE25A8B.6000403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:19:39 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE10B61.7060202@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE116B4.4080401@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FE116B4.4080401@kpnmail.nl> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5KNLPpD018521 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jan, Rik, MF, I have made some measurements and observations: When using the active E field antenna while having the transmit antenna in resonance, the signal levels are 10 dB higher then with a de-resonated antenna. So there is definitely a coupling between then. HOWEVER the S/N is much better when the transmit antenna is out of resonance. This can clearly be heared because i'm using a medium fast AGC now (USR file of my last mail), so the lower audio levels become compensated. But the QRN is very clearly louder than the background noise. So there is a receive improvement (in this location) when the transmit antenna is out of resonance! Now, the higher local QRM could be produced in the first amp stage of the active antenna or is could come from the transmit antenna itselfe. So i have connected the receiver to the transmit antenna and used a switchable attenuator in series and set about to the same signal level. The RX and netbook was running on batteries during the test. When comparing these results (small active E field antenna versus large transmit antenna) the S/N (e.g. of IQ2MI) of the small antenna is clearly higher! In other words, the MF earth seems to be contaminated by QRM! [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 39d0aa3a8a50eef73e9de70bcfcadb32 Subject: Re: LF: Test signal needed, observations... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429576352:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94fe25b22785e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jan, Rik, MF, I have made some measurements and observations: When using the active E field antenna while having the transmit antenna=20 in resonance, the signal levels are 10 dB higher then with a=20 de-resonated antenna. So there is definitely a coupling between then.=20 HOWEVER the S/N is much better when the transmit antenna is out of=20 resonance. This can clearly be heared because i'm using a medium fast=20 AGC now (USR file of my last mail), so the lower audio levels become=20 compensated. But the QRN is very clearly louder than the background=20 noise. So there is a receive improvement (in this location) when the=20 transmit antenna is out of resonance! Now, the higher local QRM could be=20 produced in the first amp stage of the active antenna or is could come=20 from the transmit antenna itselfe. So i have connected the receiver to=20 the transmit antenna and used a switchable attenuator in series and set=20 about to the same signal level. The RX and netbook was running on=20 batteries during the test. When comparing these results (small active E=20 field antenna versus large transmit antenna) the S/N (e.g. of IQ2MI) of=20 the small antenna is clearly higher! In other words, the MF earth seems=20 to be contaminated by QRM! That means my receive sensitivity is another important step better than=20 a few days ago... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 20.06.2012 02:17, schrieb pa3abk: > Stefan, > > Just be sure that the TX antenna is not coupled to the E-probe. (=20 > De-tune the system when you check it) > I'm mostly listening on my TX antenna, the E-probe is only a few=20 > meters away. These two interact in such that the E-probe is just a=20 > bufferamp of the main aerial. > > To give you an idea how heavy this is: With a portable (AWP20 AKAI) I=20 > can enjoy MF in the toilet and bathroom providing the radio is near=20 > the waterworks and TX aerial is tuned. > > IQ2MI is "good" beacon, just before sunset it manifest itself here and=20 > build up to S-6 during midnight. During the winter you can enjoy it=20 > the whole day. > I > FYI sometimes during clubevenings (Tuesdays?) it comes "live" with=20 > CQ. But assume they will not listen on 477 :-( > > Checked Meteox, during our QSO a heavy thunderstorm was over your QTH,=20 > it moved away and lost a lot of it's activity. > Just to advise you that you shouldn't misinterpret your observations. > > Jan/pa3abk > > > NNNN > > > On 20-6-2012 1:29, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> MF, >> >> I took the QRSS/CW beacon signal from IQ2MI as the test signal. It=20 >> was very well audible here, R5. It was interesting to see the deep=20 >> QSB. Both, my small active antenna and the transmit antenna show the=20 >> same S/N but maybe it would be useful to use a antenna switch to=20 >> compare the S/N without having a time delay (changing the antenna=20 >> cables), due to the QSB... >> >> 73s.. >> >> Am 20.06.2012 00:44, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >>> Rik, MF, >>> >>> Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works=20 >>> much better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no=20 >>> problem. Maybe you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or=20 >>> someone else? >>> >>> It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that=20 >>> many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops=20 >>> that were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. >>> >>> I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test=20 >>> signals from amateurs. >>> >>> 73, Stefan >>> >>> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9A4E6380000A3; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl37y-00087X-Qz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:14:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl37x-00087N-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:14:41 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sl37w-0007Od-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:14:40 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5UJEdGU020419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:14:39 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5UJEdhB030237 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:14:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEF4FAB.2010103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:12:43 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, About the 630m band dipoles i remember a story: In late 2008 i started with the 100m kite experiments and used J-antennas for 160m. That worked excellent. Matching was done with a 28m long RG58 cable. The losses couldn't have been to high since i run 600W RF and nothing became significantly warm. One evening i was in QSO with a German station while it started to rain. If the kite becomes wet, the wind has to be stronger or at least stable to keep it in the sky. So it was a question of time until the kite falls down. It was completely dark and i didn't see the kite. The QSO partner became weaker and the QRN was down. Later i saw that the kite was stretched on the wet ground. The SWR was down but anyway it was possible to hear the other station and it was possible to finish the QSO!!! That was exactly the location where i did the VLF kite experiments in 2010/11. The ground conductivity must be "fair" there. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: LF: MF dipole Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437713024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf4fef505e5484 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, About the 630m band dipoles i remember a story: In late 2008 i started with the 100m kite experiments and used J-antennas for 160m. That worked excellent. Matching was done with a 28m long RG58 cable. The losses couldn't have been to high since i run 600W RF and nothing became significantly warm. One evening i was in QSO with a German station while it started to rain. If the kite becomes wet, the wind has to be stronger or at least stable to keep it in the sky. So it was a question of time until the kite falls down. It was completely dark and i didn't see the kite. The QSO partner became weaker and the QRN was down. Later i saw that the kite was stretched on the wet ground. The SWR was down but anyway it was possible to hear the other station and it was possible to finish the QSO!!! That was exactly the location where i did the VLF kite experiments in 2010/11. The ground conductivity must be "fair" there. So, if this is possible with a J antenna on the ground (should behave about like a dipole on the ground (?) ), it must work on MF too. Or am i wrong? That means, for a MF dipole test i would start to try to lay it on the ground. If this works with reasonable efficiency, so that a QSO is possible, it would be a simple solution for a quick /p MF antenna that can find its place in a back pack! What do the experts think? :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5AB8B380000ED; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SetIX-0003YP-1x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:32:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SetIV-0003YG-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:32:07 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SetIS-0005Xc-92 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:32:06 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.8.23]) by mwinf5d06 with ME id MvXz1j00e0VovFE03vXzHd; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:32:03 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <1339438549.67345.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <85F124CBD59C48FEB97567F3B69B2AC1@lindavideo> <1339499711.77638.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <006a01cd48cb$f2e1aed0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1339599103.18960.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1339599103.18960.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:31:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Since the resonator is designed to store high KVA'' lumped delay line .... with a little -E voltage (-100's !) to the grid showing on the cct , any big tube can be used in pulse (modulator) service ..... and with 50% modulation at 15 KHz audio , that was going to be some hi-fi broadcast system , [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c573b52cf8151384d61669dad73b0e81 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01CD49A3.952550C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:496660256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44fd8eb3658f8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CD49A3.952550C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gosh me too ! A switching valve cct and something that '' maintains circulating = current within each resonator. Since the resonator is designed to store = high KVA'' lumped delay line ....=20 with a little -E voltage (-100's !) to the grid showing on the cct = , any big tube can be used in pulse (modulator) service ..... and = with 50% modulation at 15 KHz audio , that was going to be some = hi-fi broadcast system , must be some air defence ww2 / 1950 radar guys about to fill in = the gaps ! ,=20 I think you could use 807 valve Pete , in pulse service , should = do a good job , lots of -Ve grid bias and a ringing drive cct = ....... you could use a old 'valve' pulse generator for = experimentation , or a new one with a (pulse) transformer on the = o/p .but with the valve into grid 'amps' on peaks , the drive ctt = will need to be stable as the load will swing from 10K to .. = 100's ohms at conduction ?=20 asking before tx 'Is this spectrum in use ?' G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:51 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Well shoot me down with my britches on fire! Mal=20 I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers = By RCA. I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any = time because I thought they used special valves to achieve the fast = response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode = and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of the anode = one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you get a very = fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned = circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ = http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/ I think the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency = TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work OK = for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away with one = set up. Now to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Pete es Co The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E and = well designed would produce 70% efficiency. The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it = is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage = generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% = efficiency if you are lucky.=20 Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch = to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not = careful about matching to load. I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for = years. Fets are probably more manageable, compact and safer regarding = voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high = current, like an electric chair!! 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 AM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Ken I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes = than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I = won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency = output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an = amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low = resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well = into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is = barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in = terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying = to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive = frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain = will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor = will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide = I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you = are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there is = enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the = sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate = in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will = detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, = efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP = design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style = unobtainium in the components listing. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Ken To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd = order differential equations, partial integration and integration by = parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional = integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my = Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I = like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike = semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. 73s Ken M0KHW From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Class E etc Hi Ken=20 Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need = a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for = the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using a = FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the = FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with = accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate = voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for = transients, a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and = inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article = below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave = will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you = don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the = result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some = starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output = conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. = Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above = a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is = very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good = efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply = voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable = of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly = cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct = drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below = shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy = load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope = then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer = my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer = in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak = voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum = peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. = This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two = turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring = the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak. =20 Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work = well. Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers.=20 For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning = Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... = http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-powera= mps.pdf For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a = scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20 http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CD49A3.952550C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gosh  me too !
 
A switching  valve cct and  something  that ''  = maintains circulating current within each resonator. Since the resonator = is=20 designed to store high KVA''  lumped  delay line ....
 
with a  little  -E voltage  (-100's !)  to = the =20 grid showing on the cct , any big tube  can be used in pulse = (modulator)=20 service .....  and  with   50%  = modulation =20 at  15 KHz   audio , that was going to  = be =20 some  hi-fi   broadcast system ,
 
must  be  some  air defence  ww2 / 1950=20  radar guys  about to fill  in the gaps !  ,
 
I  think  you  could use  807 valve  Pete = , in=20 pulse service  , should  do a  good  job , lots = of  -Ve=20 grid bias  and a  ringing  drive  cct ....... = you =20 could  use a  old  'valve'  pulse generator  = for=20 experimentation , or a  new  one  with a  = (pulse) =20 transformer on the  o/p .but  with the  valve into  = grid=20 'amps'  on peaks , the  drive  ctt will  need  = to =20 be  stable  as the  load  will  swing  = from =20 10K  to .. 100's  ohms  at conduction ?
 
asking  before tx 'Is this spectrum in use ?'
 
G.

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:51 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Well shoot me down with = my=20 britches on fire!
 
Mal
I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube=20 amplifiers By RCA.
I have heard of higher = efficiency=20 Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought they used = special=20 valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on a = tuned=20 circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third = harmonic=20 of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you = get a=20 very fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA = tuned=20 circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/b= ta5t/
 
I think the point about = this is=20 that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters = and the=20 like. And probably will work OK for us on LF with such narrow = allocations where=20 we may get away with one set up.
 
Now to see if it is = scalable to=20 lower power video tubes.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: mal hamilton=20 <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, 12 = June 2012,=20 19:48
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 Class E etc

Pete es Co
The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can = get to=20 class D or E and well designed would produce 70% = efficiency.
The class D or E is not really an amplifier in = the=20 convential sense it is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest = and the=20 voltage generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably = 80% to 90%=20 efficiency if you are lucky.
Like some have said a tube amp is more robust = and tolerant=20 of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if = one is=20 not careful about matching to load.
I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and = they have=20 been going for years.
Fets are probably more manageable, compact =  and safer=20 regarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at = high=20 current, like an electric chair!!
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 = 11:15=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E = etc

Hi Ken
 
I believe you=20 can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than = C but=20 they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I = won't go into=20 figures but = just think=20 about it. The high efficiency output = stage has to=20 operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it = changes=20 state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off = (which means a=20 device that will operate well into the VHF) the higher = the=20 efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple = of megs=20 its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking = about) at=20 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the = inductor to=20 rise and collapse at a=20 very fast rate in-order to generate = a high=20 electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine = waves=20 here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the output = side of=20 the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try=20 it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the = guide I=20 use to bring a PA into optimum performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well = but if=20 you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF=20 then there is enough empirical data from = following=20 the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that will = get you=20 a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that = will=20 detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high = power,=20 efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The = GW3UEP = design being=20 IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style=20 unobtainium in=20 the components listing.
 
73 es GL=20 Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Ken=20 <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 11 = June 2012,=20 22:09
Subject: LF: = RE: Class=20 E etc

Hi Pete.
About 40 years ago my integration was = quite=20 good, liked doing 2nd order differential = equations, partial=20 integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems = with=20 was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space . =   Looking=20 at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class = E by=20 default. The reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving = devices=20 unlike semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat=20 warm.
 
73s
 
Ken
 
M0KHW
 
From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto: = owner-=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On = Behalf Of=20 M0FMT
Sent: 11=20 June 2012 19:16
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Class E=20 etc
 
 
Hi Ken =
 
Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration=20 Ken?
 
Here are a couple of sites that should = answer=20 your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. = Setting=20 the conditions for the amplifier is to do with  A/ the correct = driver=20 preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and = TC4421=20 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully off on = each cycle.=20 Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). = Ensuring=20 the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise = they pop,=20 look out for transients, a diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting the = shunt=20 capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be done = empirically= See=20 article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, = although the=20 output wave will be surprisingly=20 clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't = necessarily know=20 all the starting parameters and in any case the result = is going=20 to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. = Best to=20 use 'Scope measurements to=20 set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / = Off rise=20 times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the=20 key.
These amplifiers are capable of = incredibly good=20 efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat = dissipation=20 from the FET=20 is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks!<= /SPAN>
 
The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended = design is=20 capable good efficiency&= nbsp;and=20 high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I = have=20 modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost = twice that=20 into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L = and C=20 empirically= using=20 the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is = the way=20 to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my = TX up=20 into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain = wave shape=20 on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy = load. I=20 then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of = the tuned=20 transformer in the antenna up-lead. = I adjust=20 the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner = link=20 turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across = the dummy=20 load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by either adding = or=20 reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with = bringing the=20 the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead = current,=20 here you are looking for the maximum=20 peak.  
 
Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value = capacitors from=20 Maplin work=20 well.
 
Read the articles and search info on = class E=20 amplifiers. 
 
 
For some bed time reading but ignor = the math look=20 at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all=20 really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Soka= l%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
 
For design = ideas
=
 
For a good practical circuit for a = single ended=20 amp that  is a scalable = surefire=20 design, no need to reinvent the wheel.
 
For antennas and antenna feed methods = a "look no=20 where else site"
http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=
<= /DIV>


 


------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CD49A3.952550C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EC31338000093; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShOv2-0003cm-IL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:42:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShOv2-0003cd-4o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:42:16 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShOuz-000535-O0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:42:15 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5KHgCjZ006962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:42:12 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5KHgC2k009682 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:42:12 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:40:26 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> In-Reply-To: <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... 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That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF > > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting software > for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: > > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html > > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to get > started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) > > on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link to > sdr -radio: > > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ > > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular > transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time to > learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. > > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. > > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr > hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find > here: > > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software > > yours, > Piotr, SQ7MPJ > > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D642D3800008D; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg34w-0002zs-GO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:10:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg34v-0002zj-U9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:10:53 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg34t-0004h6-TM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:10:52 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5H0Apvo000766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:10:51 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5H0Aon2004794 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:10:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDD2024.2080507@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:09:08 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1339856589.169975917@f7.mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <1339856589.169975917@f7.mail.ru> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alex, I didn't forget your announcement but unfortunately it cannot transmit tonite. The system is resonated on MF now. It is easy to switch back to LF but i want to do some tests still... Are you in holidays again? Hope it will not be the last night.. 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The system is resonated on MF now. It is easy to switch back to LF but i want to do some tests still... Are you in holidays again? Hope it will not be the last night.. Ah, BTW, see that tiny little MF coil beside the LF coil!! LF is stil the real hard stuff! :-) And VLF of course ;-) https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/MF_vs_LF.JPG 73, all the best, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 16:23, schrieb Alex K: > Hello LF! > My grabber in KO85HA is on-line (at this night): http://rn3aus-lf-grabber.narod.ru > 73 de rn3aus/Alex > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A43F138000095; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkuLP-0005ZN-1L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:51:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkuLO-0005ZE-CF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:51:58 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkuLL-00050p-Kr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:51:57 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Jun 2012 09:51:52 -0000 Received: from p5B3956E3.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.86.227] by mail.gmx.net (mp070) with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 11:51:52 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18rXGxjd6srQMh+w+1zzNvuFeGQDQo+gUUVAkLGgH QO1Jcqd0ZIPDjK Message-ID: <022001cd56a5$f61164a0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:51:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, >4th try... That's the reason why I opted for for the yahoo list... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 070d9ab39265047b7fb462cd62854f10 Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_021C_01CD56B6.B7F907C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:504750496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4feecc742a5f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_021C_01CD56B6.B7F907C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Stefan, >4th try... That's the reason why I opted for for the yahoo list... But back on topic.:-) If I understand you correctly you did not terminate the filter output side while measuring with the hi Z probe. I would try the same measurement with a correct termination. As there are also 500Ohm taps available you could either feed with a series 500 Ohm resistor and terminate the output by 500 Ohm or the same arangement with 18k if you don't want to use the 500Ohm taps. The plot looks typcally for a crystal or mechanical filter which has not been terminated properly. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:26 PM Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try... -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 Von: Stefan Schfer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473 kHz. It is available at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very high. See the image: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.png So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5098 - Ausgabedatum: 28.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_021C_01CD56B6.B7F907C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,
 
>4th try...
 
That's the reason why I opted = for for the=20 yahoo list...
 
But back on topic.:-)
If I understand you correctly you did = not terminate=20 the filter output side while
measuring with the hi Z = probe.
I would try the same measurement with a = correct=20 termination.
As there are also 500Ohm taps = available you=20 could either
feed with a series 500 Ohm resistor and = terminate=20 the output by 500 Ohm
or the same arangement with 18k if you = don't want=20 to use the 500Ohm taps.
The plot looks typcally for a crystal = or mechanical=20 filter which has not been terminated
properly.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 = 10:26=20 PM
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, = mechanical=20 filters

4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- =
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer "><schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version: 2012.0.2180=20 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5098 - Ausgabedatum: 28.06.2012=20

------=_NextPart_000_021C_01CD56B6.B7F907C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 236CF3800008B; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 05:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdIDd-0006Ql-IP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:44:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdIDd-0006Qc-4k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:44:29 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdIDb-0003bO-LC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:44:28 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmIFABUa009cHY5g/2dsb2JhbABFgkWhOpBZgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIsAQEDBQIBAwQNBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPuDuKRmGCToMbA40+kQOBW4R9gmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="374910234" Received: from host-92-29-142-96.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.142.96]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 10:44:26 +0100 Message-ID: <007201cd4624$74740560$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:44:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Lubos I think this is a BEACON field day, no QSO'S are taking place. Can you hear me on 136.5 cw and if so pse call also xband 7033 cw 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Lubos OK2BVG To: _RSGB_LF Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:38 AM Subject: LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: bde53fa3678f346afe39dd99e3e185db Subject: LF: Re: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD4624.740FEC60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:480391520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fd31b2d7a2b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD4624.740FEC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lubos I think this is a BEACON field day, no QSO'S are taking place. Can you = hear me on 136.5 cw and if so pse call also xband 7033 cw 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: _RSGB_LF=20 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:38 AM Subject: LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Hello Stefan, LF! I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N more = than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-) RST =3D 599 UFB 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD4624.740FEC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lubos
I think this is a BEACON field day, no = QSO'S are=20 taking place. Can you hear me on 136.5 cw and if so pse call also xband=20 7033
cw
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lubos = OK2BVG=20
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 = 9:38=20 AM
Subject: LF: = DK7FC_in_JN88KS

Hello Stefan, LF!
I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N = more=20 than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station = :-)
RST =3D 599 UFB

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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[109.47.0.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4sm38902912wiz.1.2012.06.20.06.00.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:00:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> <004301cd4ec3$11af9000$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: DK8KW & DI2BO X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <004301cd4ec3$11af9000$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-Id: <2966C62E-303D-4A21-AE78-A2FCF23E2C09@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:00:07 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, CW has long been abolished in Germany to distinguish between license classes. Difference between A and E is just a slightly easier exam for the technical part of class E resulting in permission to use a few fewer bands and less than 10dB lower max. power. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dk8kw.di2bo[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 5f3d51ad98dd7d967f54e1b86b99caac Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2CAFA263-7084-4280-972A-EB5A0CC4B0E6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453420736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m003.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074fe1c9c04928 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-2CAFA263-7084-4280-972A-EB5A0CC4B0E6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mal, CW has long been abolished in Germany to distinguish between license classes= . Difference between A and E is just a slightly easier exam for the technica= l part of class E resulting in permission to use a few fewer bands and less t= han 10dB lower max. power. Vy 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO On 20.06.2012, at 10:59, "mal hamilton" wrote: > Horst > One way forward is to become a class A licencee or alternatively upgrade t= he class E licence to class A > This is what they did in the UK. They upgraded class B to class A as easy a= s that !! When you call an ex class B on cw he does not reply because he nev= er learned morse code. There are so many different licences in the UK at pre= sent that I have lost track. > It is a free for all now --- all good fun --- no Pirates any more, so easy= to get a permit. > =20 > =20 > g3kev > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Horst St=C3=B6cker > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:54 AM > Subject: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams >=20 > Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implement= ation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. What wa= s the maximum power in WRC2012? > The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really? > The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class E. What= s so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. 9W ERP. Any= one - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. As HAM with c= lass E even not 1W ERP - just nothing. > It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with one Differ= ence: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now BNetzA) remembered= that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with every kind of li= cences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: >250THz ist still a= llocated to class A AND E HAMs. > Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the club! > Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN) >=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juni 2012 um 13:57 Uhr > Von: DK1IS > An: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams > Dear group, >=20 > to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the=20 > MF-allocation in Germany which I=C2=B4ve got today via email from our=20 > authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). >=20 > 73 and cul on MF! >=20 > Tom, DK1IS > JN59WK >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Ihr WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App f=C3=BCr i= Phone und Android. =20 > https://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/ --Apple-Mail-2CAFA263-7084-4280-972A-EB5A0CC4B0E6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Mal,

<= div>CW has long been abolished in Germany to distinguish between license cla= sses. Difference between A and E is just a slightly easier exam for the tech= nical part of class E resulting in permission to use a few fewer bands and l= ess than 10dB lower max. power.

Vy 73
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO




On 20.06.2012, at 10:59, "mal hamilton= " <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>= wrote:

= --Apple-Mail-2CAFA263-7084-4280-972A-EB5A0CC4B0E6-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 65A2138000096; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkVnJ-0000yY-GQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:39:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkVnI-0000yP-VL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:39:08 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkVnG-0002Q0-Lx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:39:07 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAIpa7U9Ok8ZS/2dsb2JhbABFgkWeF5VrgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIOHgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPr1kLiVCKU2QbhW8DiBeFNpJohQCCXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,497,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="386260913" Received: from host-78-147-198-82.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.198.82]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 29 Jun 2012 08:39:05 +0100 Message-ID: <001301cd55ca$42475be0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd5561$92ff83a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <233C8A8FA9234F7BAA7D8A1505198AA4@AGB> <1340915761.45919.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:39:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete I got some fb reports from AA1A in the USA. We used to work xband, he would reply on 7033 Khz, the same from Moscow stns. This was in the early days of 500. I only work QSO mode and no Beacon thrashing. All transmitters need tweaking and matching to Antenna. Adjusting a class E transmitter takes a few minutes if constructed properly for the design frequency. 73 gl de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.6 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 052e5a7ab87161a07560b72babff3441 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD55CA.41D9A5F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464627360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fed5be3354f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD55CA.41D9A5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete I got some fb reports from AA1A in the USA. We used to work xband, he = would reply on 7033 Khz, the same from Moscow stns. This was in the early days of 500.=20 I only work QSO mode and no Beacon thrashing.=20 All transmitters need tweaking and matching to Antenna. Adjusting a = class E transmitter takes a few minutes if constructed properly for the = design frequency.=20 73 gl de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:36 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: malk 107 OK Mal Thanks for the advice. The GW3UEP was the answer to the Unobtainium = issue. Every bit could be obtained from Maplin. Not semi professional = Amateur with component access through the "Company", you can see that in = the LF HB. It would be nice just to take a High power design that is = "Surefire" build it and have it on the air with out a process of = tweaking and tuning and bits of FET ricocheting round the shack before = you finally tame it. I think I am almost there doing it empirically. That's what I am hoping with Stefans design but the ferrite "Black = magic"...... + Oh and your big sig in Moscow is more a function of your big = antenna..... yes?......... :o)=20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 20:20 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Bit of Lemon Pledge ? From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:09 PM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Pete es co The 500 Khz rig that I built in a couple of hours. Components from = the junk box. The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of = transistors. Class E single ended one FET. At the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an = exciter, a couple of diodes to SQ the sinewave. The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic ex TU7B tuning unit. I put a good signal into the USA es Canada es Moscow with this = transmitter on CW.=20 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD55CA.41D9A5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pete
I got some fb reports from AA1A in the USA. We = used to=20 work xband, he would reply on 7033 Khz, the same from Moscow = stns.
This was in the early days of = 500. 
I only work QSO mode and no Beacon thrashing.=20
All transmitters need tweaking and matching to = Antenna.=20 Adjusting a class E transmitter takes a few minutes if = constructed properly=20 for the design frequency.
73 gl de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 = 8:36=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: malk = 107

OK Mal
 
Thanks for the advice. The GW3UEP was the answer to the = Unobtainium=20 issue. Every bit could be obtained from Maplin. Not semi professional = Amateur=20 with component access through the "Company", you can see that in the = LF HB. It=20 would be nice just to take a High power design that is "Surefire" = build=20 it and have it on the air with out a process of tweaking and tuning and bits of = FET=20 ricocheting round the shack before you finally tame it. I think I am = almost=20 there doing it empirically.
That's what I am hoping with Stefans = design but=20 the ferrite "Black magic"...... +
Oh and your big sig in Moscow is more a function of = your big=20 antenna..... yes?......... :o) 

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, 28 = June=20 2012, 20:20
Subject: Re: LF:=20 Emailing: malk 107

Bit  of  Lemon Pledge  ?
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:09 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Emailing: malk 107

Pete es co
The 500 Khz rig that I built in a  couple of hours. = Components from=20 the junk box. The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of=20 transistors.
Class E single ended one FET.
At the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an = exciter, a=20 couple of diodes to SQ the sinewave.
The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic ex TU7B tuning=20 unit.
I put a good signal into the USA es Canada es Moscow with=20 this transmitter on CW.
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
 


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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not > permitted on Yahoo What on earth are you on about? 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Stewart/G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5A2C43800009D; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbtSc-0004uY-O8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:06:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbtSc-0004uP-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:06:10 +0100 Received: from mail-yw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.213.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbtSZ-0002Fj-Tk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:06:09 +0100 Received: by yhkk6 with SMTP id k6so7288574yhk.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:06:06 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=O8xCE5OaOEBe+RffAi3Vb7pZ2Yx3umNtrnTz6CJo2aY=; b=X0nipeuwjJM+4QSxxz6vmlXOx0OnOGy7SzEAEmFgcZl8piQC8gZpwpNc7AcE2Jrni/ iY5dVWXM8+OSee9rQPWyPWXLRslsxX6n24H0uAp0UMgxN8q2xSDnMTK57MkFkq4vQQ9y JLfV26WxlZ2y9uHXzBIS2b0BDTTgB/BoBCEZGby9VSfVxuDU+wH1lkyzzaN7voK4r9/V ldUvvjn9bgqrzQQGc3pPiFKu/2xOAOftAGzAWcCrGDJ5nHGHBeNkb+EmpNEPpZk+3uQF 4A1qZ5dM8EINMnP9QFmk9Bm6LYN/4z9dJZ/wfWTdaav2uDtbOu8IAinj3IDL9fFXaQZN Dy0A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.14.169 with SMTP id q9mr16129701oec.19.1338901565854; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 06:06:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C687D8D@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCCD2B9.1030408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C687D8D@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:06:05 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Rik, You need to create a Yahoo ID - currently I suspect that you have an e-mail forwarding access only. If you want help in creating the Yahoo ID let me know and I can initiate an automated e-mail request to you [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.213.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 1.2 HTML_OBFUSCATE_10_20 BODY: Message is 10% to 20% HTML obfuscation 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1ee0e38d43704c1b950cc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425125440:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d012.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fce047b74bc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8fb1ee0e38d43704c1b950cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, You need to create a Yahoo ID - currently I suspect that you have an e-mail forwarding access only. If you want help in creating the Yahoo ID let me know and I can initiate an automated e-mail request to you My preference is to have one list as this list is owned by a third party and thus cumbersome and sometimes slow to get issues resolved. Yahoo! Groups is largely administered by the individual. If we have two groups then some people feel that this isn't right either. There seems no way of satisfying everyone! Any bright suggestions appreciated!! 73 John, G3WKL On 5 June 2012 13:07, Rik Strobbe wrote: > *Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reportedbefore > .* > > John, > > I cannot vote either. > For what it is worth: my vote goes to keeping both reflectors. > I can understand that that people do not one to participate in one of them > , but that should be no reason for shutting down the other one. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > --e89a8fb1ee0e38d43704c1b950cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik,

You need to create a Yahoo ID - currently I suspect= that you have an e-mail forwarding access only. =A0If you want help in cre= ating the Yahoo ID let me know and I can initiate an automated e-mail reque= st to you

My preference is to have one list as this list is owned= by a third party and thus cumbersome and sometimes slow to get issues reso= lved. =A0Yahoo! Groups is largely administered by the individual. =A0If we = have two groups then some people feel that this isn't right either. =A0= There seems no way of satisfying everyone! =A0Any bright suggestions apprec= iated!!

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 J= une 2012 13:07, Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>= wrote:

Sorry=A0that=A0you=A0weren= 't=A0able to=A0vote -=A0very=A0odd -= =A0not had=A0that=A0reported before.


John,
=A0
I=A0cannot=A0vote either.
For=A0what=A0it is worth:=A0my=A0vot= e=A0goes to=A0keeping=A0both reflectors.=
I=A0can=A0understand=A0that=A0that= =A0people do=A0not=A0one to=A0participate in=A0= one of them,=A0but=A0that=A0should=A0be<= a>=A0no=A0reason=A0for=A0shutting down the=A0other one.
=A0
73, Rik=A0=A0ON7YD - OR7T

--e89a8fb1ee0e38d43704c1b950cc-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1FB7D380000E0; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sar2i-0007sr-64 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:19:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sar2h-0007sh-H7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:19:07 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sar2f-0006Ca-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:19:06 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d26 with ME id HUK31j00D0Lx2rm03UK3ws; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:19:04 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:19:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Pete, These are all the decodes I have , I was using the Skanti r5003 Rx with 40 ft alloy scaffold pole vertical , no atu , only the pre-selector in the rx , fed vis abt 90 feet of rg213 coax Good signal for 10 watts , just on the edge for the qso mode , at -20 dB minimum , but 15 watts would do the job ! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: a9f27894b14321629f793c65c0512237 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B5_01CD40E3.CEA50ED0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484401248:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fca3d2b293e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01CD40E3.CEA50ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Pete, These are all the decodes I have , I was using the Skanti r5003 Rx = with 40 ft alloy scaffold pole vertical , no atu , only the = pre-selector in the rx , fed vis abt 90 feet of rg213 coax=20 Good signal for 10 watts , just on the edge for the qso mode , = at -20 dB minimum , but 15 watts would do the job ! As I say its the only plug-and-play data mode , just plug in = place of the CW key ( the development was based on the racal = ma1723 , in CW mode at 20 wpm as the maximum keying speed and = envelope shape) 73 -G. 14:00 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:07 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:38 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB 11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi Graham Yes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon trying to make = up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable power on the rig (GW3UEP) = Class E Fet O/P stage Gate. PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a = bit now actually done nothing to stop it....... weird. I have only just got my head around opera...... thought it was a = linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW = transmission which I like. Thanks for all the info on opera btw. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:37 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Wow and that was just using the Op w/fall ! You could reduce to = 2 watts and still decode ! =20 Glad the system is working for you=20 G..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Thanks Paul Graham is right about QRG. My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer (not = affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial could be 503.275 ? +/- a bit ! G. From: Clemens Paul=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting What is the actual tx qrg then? Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: = 01.06.2012=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01CD40E3.CEA50ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok  Pete,
 
These are all  the  decodes  I have , I was using = the =20 Skanti  r5003  Rx  with    40 ft alloy=20 scaffold  pole   vertical  , no  atu , = only =20 the  pre-selector  in the  rx , fed vis  abt  = 90 feet=20 of  rg213 coax
 
Good  signal  for  10 watts  , just on = the =20 edge  for the  qso  mode  , at  -20 dB  = minimum ,=20 but  15 watts  would  do  the  job !
 
As I say  its  the  only  = plug-and-play  =20 data  mode  , just plug in place of the  CW key  ( = the =20 development  was  based on the  racal  ma1723  = ,=20 in  CW mode at  20  wpm  as the maximum  =20 keying  speed and  envelope  shape)
 
 
73 -G.
 
 
 
 
14:00 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

13:07 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB

12:38 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB

12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB

12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB

11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB

 
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Hi Graham
 
Yes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon = trying to=20 make up a PWM cct to have a continuously=20 variable power on the rig (GW3UEP) Class E = Fet O/P=20 stage Gate. PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actually = done=20 nothing to stop it....... weird.
 I have only just got my head around opera......  thought = it was=20 a linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much=20 more like a CW transmission which I like.
 
Thanks for all the info on opera btw.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:37
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Wow   and that  was  just using the  = Op =20 w/fall !  You  could  reduce to  2 watts   = and  still  decode !  
 
Glad the  system  is  working  for  you =
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Thanks Paul
 
Graham is right about QRG.
 
My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC = keyer=20 (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer = looking.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>= ;
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:12
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

could be   503.275  ?   +/-   a=20 bit  !
 
G.

From: Clemens = Paul=20
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at = all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject:=20 LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
  =
E-Mail ist virenfrei.
Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version:=20 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012=20




------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01CD40E3.CEA50ED0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 48AAF38000083; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfK08-0000ab-4E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:02:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfK07-0000aM-CX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:02:55 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfK05-0003CL-Cp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:02:54 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5F02qXb005178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:02:52 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5F02qXu030159 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:02:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDA7B48.2070001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:01:12 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDA6F0F.3080104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000c01cd4a88$8d75aec0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <000c01cd4a88$8d75aec0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5F02qXb005178 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx Jay, BTW, Martin/YV7MAE is watching as well ( http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), during all my attempts in the last weeks. But the last detection is some time ago and he still does not have the receive loop... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f64a6c8ea7591cecbecc6db95ffdd328 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472313632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494fda7bdb066c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Tnx Jay, BTW, Martin/YV7MAE is watching as well (=20 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), during all=20 my attempts in the last weeks. But the last detection is some time ago=20 and he still does not have the receive loop... Transmitting on LF while building a MF RX... 73, Stefan Am 15.06.2012 01:50, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: > Stefan > > Will be watching! > > Jay > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 > > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west > > > Jay, LF, > > This night i will continue with LF transmissions, same procedure. > So far the conds in EU and to 4X are excellent! > Maybe we can make it this night to W1... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 12.06.2012 14:10, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >> Hi Jay, >> >> We still have no success in Jnue so if we want to get a full call=20 >> detection in each month we have to find a suitable days soon. >> >> Well, all right about the DST stuff. However you know i simply like=20 >> transmitting so i usually do not care about the condx. From time to=20 >> time there is a surprise een in "bad" conds. Like yesterday! 4X1RF=20 >> temporary started his grabber in Haifa and to my surprise we got very=20 >> good results over that 2850km distance. About 25 dB S/N, see=20 >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Juni2012.jpg >> Sure, crossing the pond is another story. Let's do it in the coming=20 >> days :-) >> >> BTW what about your TX? Are you ready for a transmission? >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 12.06.2012 12:12, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: >>> Sefan >>> >>> Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at=20 >>> 'disturbed' levels it is unlikely that I would have had reception of=20 >>> your signals. It might be a good idea to check=20 >>> http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html=20 >>> for the DST levels before an overnight T/A attempt. Generally=20 >>> speaking, condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or=20 >>> better for a couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th=20 >>> or 10th would have been better T/A nights. The big dip starting on=20 >>> the 10th is a problem. >>> >>> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:09 PM >>> Subject: LF: Beacon to the west >>> >>> >>>> LF, >>>> >>>> Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night.=20 >>>> The TX is already on air... >>>> >>>> In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it=20 >>>> may be a bit difficult to become visible in TA. But who knows... >>>> >>>> At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for=20 >>>> distances below 3000 km. Probably because the area in darkness is=20 >>>> small on the northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away is=20 >>>> attenuated. So the distances within the first hop range may be a=20 >>>> bit lower than in winther but maybe the noise is even lower so S/N=20 >>>> improvement of some dB results. >>>> At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done=20 >>>> many tests and the radiated signal was even 3 dB stronger than a=20 >>>> few days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm thinking=20 >>>> different about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>> >>> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5EF713800008D; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 04:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSUm-0001Lv-6N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:18:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSUl-0001Lm-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:18:35 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbSUj-0005Rt-VN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:18:34 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AugJABxvzE9cF/bI/2dsb2JhbABFiX2ofASBJoEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQNJAiYGAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd1CbYbixEgLoIsgxYDiA2FMJB+hlaCYIFX X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,712,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="383120733" Received: from host-92-23-246-200.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.200]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 09:18:32 +0100 Message-ID: <004101cd422a$a098f1d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCC6CA2.2060702@telus.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:18:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John Please take note. There is an ever increasing case across the world to retain Blacksheep for those of us actually working on the lower frequencies in QSO daily. Quick reports, alerts, and small attachments. No conflict, let those so inclined towards Yahoo get on with Uploading pictures, using central storage archieves and what ever else they want to do. de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446848064:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554fcc6f933e13 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none John Please take note. There is an ever increasing case across the world to retain Blacksheep for those of us actually working on the lower frequencies in QSO daily. Quick reports, alerts, and small attachments. No conflict, let those so inclined towards Yahoo get on with Uploading pictures, using central storage archieves and what ever else they want to do. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gibbs" To: ; Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:06 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > I'm with Clive on this idea.... > > > Blacksheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo > for technical discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be > archived and design/construction projects can make full use of the > search function and files section of Yahoo. > > > Regards, John / VE7BDQ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 353F238000085; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShA2E-0008Hv-G5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:48:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShA2E-0008Hm-2T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:48:42 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShA2C-0007kg-Dq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:48:40 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5K1md9d006170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:48:39 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5K1mdCh002640 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:48:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE12B8E.5030608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:46:54 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE10B61.7060202@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE116B4.4080401@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FE116B4.4080401@kpnmail.nl> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jan, Am 20.06.2012 02:17, schrieb pa3abk: > Stefan, > > Just be sure that the TX antenna is not coupled to the E-probe. ( > De-tune the system when you check it) Ah, you're right. I should have known... (Know it from LF). I will check if there is a difference when the TX antenna is out of resonance. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: LF: Test signal needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438358144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fe12c3d6a64 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jan, Am 20.06.2012 02:17, schrieb pa3abk: > Stefan, > > Just be sure that the TX antenna is not coupled to the E-probe. ( > De-tune the system when you check it) Ah, you're right. I should have known... (Know it from LF). I will check if there is a difference when the TX antenna is out of resonance. > I'm mostly listening on my TX antenna, the E-probe is only a few > meters away. These two interact in such that the E-probe is just a > bufferamp of the main aerial. > > To give you an idea how heavy this is: With a portable (AWP20 AKAI) I > can enjoy MF in the toilet and bathroom providing the radio is near > the waterworks and TX aerial is tuned. > > IQ2MI is "good" beacon, just before sunset it manifest itself here and > build up to S-6 during midnight. During the winter you can enjoy it > the whole day. > I > FYI sometimes during clubevenings (Tuesdays?) it comes "live" with > CQ. But assume they will not listen on 477 :-( Oh, i've often got congratulation-emails from them about the LF work so i think i know who to ask for a sked :-) > > Checked Meteox, during our QSO a heavy thunderstorm was over your QTH, > it moved away and lost a lot of it's activity. Yes, later i saw it on the DM4TR grabber. The QRN was strongest just to the time i called CQ. Maybe this is why i didn't successfully copy Rik.. 73, Stefan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C391838000097; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlaL-0000zh-Vq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:54:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlaL-0000zY-Hl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:54:25 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13] helo=smtpa2.mediabeam.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShlaJ-0001n0-RE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:54:24 +0100 Received: from IMAP4 (balancer7.mediabeam.com [10.100.1.80]) by smtpa2.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5LHsMZp009722 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:54:22 +0200 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:54:21 +0200 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Geri, and your signs at 472.5kHz are 599 in jo43sv. me and an other D-stn tried to answer your CQ call some nights ago. sri, but no reaction. GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 20.06.2012 20:34 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_FRT_STOCK2 BODY: ReplaceTags: Stock (2) 0.0 T_FRT_STOCK1 BODY: ReplaceTags: Stock (1) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: ead411ce91f9601ce3974c7575797436 Subject: Re: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----7DE550FC0E684E05AADE9325FC567790" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:462086720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fe3600300a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------7DE550FC0E684E05AADE9325FC567790 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Geri, and your signs at 472=2E5kHz are 599 in jo43sv=2E me and an other D-st= n tried to answer your CQ call some nights ago=2E sri, but no reaction=2E GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 20=2E06=2E2012 20:34 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Hello Horst,=20 On 20=2E06=2E2012, at 09:54, "Horst St=F6cker" wrote: Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implem= entation of WRC2012 in 2013=2E I got this information also by the BNetz= A=2E What was the maximum power in WRC2012? =20 WRC2012 allocation: 1 Watt EIRP or under speciai conditions: up to 5 Wa= tt EIRP=2E=20 Today we got 1 Watt ERP =3D 1=2E64 Watt EIRP, which is already 1/3 of t= he maximum permissible=2E=20 With 100 Watt TX out, 2 Amperes antenna current and and 17m Umbrella an= tenna I got a measured ERP of 0=2E4 Watt (=3D0=2E7 Watt EIRP)=2E=A0=20 I can't see any reason to complain=2E=20 Vy 73=20 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ------7DE550FC0E684E05AADE9325FC567790 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Geri,
and your signs at 472=2E5kHz are 599 in jo43sv=2E me and an other D-stn= tried to answer your CQ call some nights ago=2E sri, but no reaction=2E=
GL
Uwe/dj8wx

Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 20=2E06=2E2012 20:34
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: Re: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams


Hello Horst,

On 20=2E06=2E2012, at 09:54, "Horst Stöcker" <horst=2Estoecker@web=2Ede> wrote:
Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full i= mplementation of WRC2012 in 2013=2E I got this information also by the = BNetzA=2E What was the maximum power in WRC2012?

WRC2012 allocation: 1 Watt EIRP or under speciai conditions: up to= 5 Watt EIRP=2E

Today we got 1 Watt ERP =3D 1=2E64 Watt EIRP, which is already 1/3= of the maximum permissible=2E

With 100 Watt TX out, 2 Amperes antenna current and and 17m Umbrel= la antenna I got a measured ERP of 0=2E4 Watt (=3D0=2E7 Watt EIRP)=2E&n= bsp;

I can't see any reason to complain=2E


Vy 73

Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO

------7DE550FC0E684E05AADE9325FC567790-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 503DC3800009B; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 02:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbmy8-0001fF-Eu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:10:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbmy7-0001f6-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:10:15 +0100 Received: from impaqm1.telefonica.net ([213.4.138.17] helo=telefonica.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbmy5-00010e-In for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:10:14 +0100 Received: from IMPmailhost3.adm.correo ([10.20.102.124]) by IMPaqm1.telefonica.net with bizsmtp id JUka1j0172h2L9m3MWABPg; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 08:10:11 +0200 Received: from p1800 ([217.127.130.21]) by IMPmailhost3.adm.correo with BIZ IMP id JWAA1j00W0Tqill1jWABby; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 08:10:11 +0200 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-original-sender: 943452288234280@telefonica.net Message-ID: <001d01cd42e1$e04a6860$2101a8c0@p1800> From: "Federico" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 08:10:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 213.4.138.17 (impaqm1.telefonica.net) used invalid HELO/EHLO telefonica.net - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Friends, I have only 72 years, of which only 57 as a ham. At this time, I've seen enough to conclude that: [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [213.4.138.17 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (ea2hb[at]telefonica.net) -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: Re: LF: general Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445420576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fcda32313bd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Friends, I have only 72 years, of which only 57 as a ham. At this time, I've seen enough to conclude that: A. - Amateur radio is a prestigious industry honor that we belong. B. - The amateur radio encompasses many facets. C. - In addition to the technical aspects and communication, there are other very important as coordination, knowledge dissemination, etc. D. - In the field of coordination, I have seen too many leaders, forgetting the basics of amateur radio, seek collective orientation toward goals that look more like herding a flock of which are to be installed as chiefs. E. - Blacksheep.org, is a sector that is working very well. F. - I find it to be installed other discussion forums. G. - What positive is that something that works, is absorbed or replaced by something new which operate profitably be seen ?. H. - Conclusion: Follow Blacksheep and whoever other forums that prestigie. I. - This is not an amateur radio discussion obviously. 73 of Federico EA2HB ----- Original Message ----- From: "IK1WVQ Mauro" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: general > > > ... BASTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! > > > 73 de Mauro IK1WVQ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 02899100B2; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgGfK-0006HF-3R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:41:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgGfJ-0006H6-Ln for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:41:21 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgGfH-00079u-LY; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:41:20 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIOACPs3U9cF/D+/2dsb2JhbABFigaqHQEBAoErgQiCEwUBAQQBCAEBAyUBIwIhBQYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh3UJt0eLOBswGoEdgR6DGwONQ5degmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,426,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="395137829" Received: from host-92-23-240-254.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.254]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jun 2012 15:41:18 +0100 Message-ID: <002801cd4c97$3dee1c00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:41:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Several factors. During daytime hundreds of K/metres depending on Antennas and power. I can hear the German Beacond all day long Q5 and S3- 6 on 505 Khz I can work EI0CF all day every day on CW [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:469971680:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4fddeccb6947 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan Several factors. During daytime hundreds of K/metres depending on Antennas and power. I can hear the German Beacond all day long Q5 and S3- 6 on 505 Khz I can work EI0CF all day every day on CW I can also work the PA0 stns during daytime at S9 es plus I use proper antennas and not uProbes. The problem in most cases is poor Receiving because of poor antennas or noisy environment like LF During darkness there is enhanced propagation and world wide communications is possible, certainly the USA to the West and Moscow to the EAST The DX stations that I work have proper wire antennas eg Large Loops, inv L systems for both TX es RX LF es MF bands require Large antennas for consistant reliability for QSO purposes both RX as well as TX. It is easy to BEACON, all that is needed is an OSCILLATOR, and a piece of wire but to communicate on CW both ways is a different story. BEACON signal and QSL via Internet is EASY and that is where some go wrong and their EARS become LAZY and no good for a QSO. Small micro ferrite stick antennas work after a fashion but do not expect the same results as those stations with proper antennas for the job 73 De G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:03 PM Subject: LF: Further MF impressions > MF, > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in > the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is > significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see > that the band noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the > current setup. > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in > these first days... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AFDD2380000AE; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbGgS-0004rj-TW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:41:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbGgS-0004ra-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:41:52 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbGgQ-0003Kt-8f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:41:51 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AukFAOm8y09cHnUz/2dsb2JhbAA9AQaeT4UDkE+BCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYMCggGEQIKAQICAQGHbAMPq28NiU6KMWAhBYVqA4gNhTCSWYR7gmA+gRgJGQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,710,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="383094407" Received: from host-92-30-117-51.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.117.51]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 20:41:47 +0100 Message-ID: <008901cd41c0$e9ed6d30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> <003801cd41aa$bee050f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 19:40:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: It depends on your sense of humour. What you might consider rude or offensive other might not Bad language or slanderous remarks aimed at a persons are a different story. Off topic might have some relevence to the overall discussion and you suggest suspended membership. You seem to be the only one on here thinking along these lines. No one else seems concerned. If I remark that 500 Khz is quiet at present but at the same time indicate that 6 metres is buzzing does that constitute off topic with an automatic suspension or ban. and people are NOT perfectly happy on Yahoo as you say in your last paragraph. Have you missed what has been going on regarding the yahoo reflector from others around the world. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 719233b489c0727505743c30ad56ff81 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0086_01CD41C0.BEA89D20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fcbbe3b5543 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01CD41C0.BEA89D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It depends on your sense of humour. What you might consider rude or = offensive other might not Bad language or slanderous remarks aimed at a persons are a different = story. Off topic might have some relevence to the overall discussion and you = suggest suspended membership. You seem to be the only one on here = thinking along these lines. No one else seems concerned. If I remark that 500 Khz is quiet at present but at the same time = indicate that 6 metres is buzzing does that constitute off topic with an = automatic suspension or ban. and people are NOT perfectly happy on Yahoo as you say in your last = paragraph. Have you missed what has been going on regarding the yahoo = reflector from others around the world. =20 g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Mal (et al), Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on = moderation.=20 It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly = offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently = off-topic then the moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such = posts or even suspend membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if = people are respectful of others and post on-topic without getting = personal and offensive.=20 Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group where = most seem perfectly happy.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" wrote: How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20 Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back = indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons = like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his, this is = hardly encouraging or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any = organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort = to lies. Eddie ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01CD41C0.BEA89D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It depends on your sense of humour. What you = might=20 consider rude or offensive other might not
Bad language or slanderous remarks aimed at a=20 persons are a different story.
Off topic might have some relevence to the = overall=20 discussion and you suggest suspended membership. You seem to be the only = one on=20 here thinking along these lines. No one else seems = concerned.
If I remark that 500 Khz is quiet at present but = at the=20 same time indicate that 6 metres is buzzing does that constitute off = topic with=20 an automatic suspension or ban.
and people are NOT perfectly happy on = Yahoo as you=20 say in your last paragraph. Have you missed what has been going on = regarding the=20 yahoo reflector from others around the world.
 
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

Mal (et al),

Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views = on=20 moderation. 

It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly=20 offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently = off-topic=20 then the moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or = even=20 suspend membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are = respectful=20 of others and post on-topic without getting personal and=20 offensive. 

Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group = where=20 most seem perfectly happy. 

73s
Roger G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

How about an apology Eddie and a = confirmation from=20 G3XBM
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tony
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: = O.T.:=20 Reflector status

Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, = 2012 9:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An = "LF-reflector" Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. =
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 g3zjo
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, = 2012 4:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: = O.T.:=20 Reflector status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting = some time=20 back indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control = to ban=20 persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from = his,=20  this is hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth = operation=20 of any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or=20 BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself = but=20 please don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear All. Thank you for your help on the DECCA info, so far I have not tried a Class D or E PA , my 500kHz TX having a power MOSFET in pseudso Class C, with Class D & E how is the PA output impedance calculated, for the output transformer, would it be permitted to use either a Pi or L-C_L (as I have done) to match the PA to the variometer and loading coil? . 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Thank you for your help on the DECCA info, so far I have not tried a Class D or E PA , my 500kHz TX having a power MOSFET in pseudso Class C, with Class D & E how is the PA output impedance calculated, for the output transformer, would it be permitted to use either a Pi or L-C_L (as I have done) to match the PA to the variometer and loading coil? . 73s Ken M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CD474F.EA707740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear All.

Thank you for your help on the DECCA info, so = far I have not tried a Class D or E PA , my 500kHz TX having a power MOSFET in = pseudso Class C, with Class D & E how is the PA output impedance calculated, = for the output transformer, would it be permitted to use either a Pi or = L-C_L (as I have done) to match the PA to the variometer and loading coil? = .

 

73s

 

Ken

 

M0KHW

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CD474F.EA707740-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EFF1538000086; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgEVP-0005W2-36 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:22:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgEVO-0005Vt-I1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:22:58 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgEVM-0006d5-L0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:22:57 +0100 Received: from IMAP1 (balancer7.mediabeam.com [10.100.1.80]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5HCMsLx009447 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:22:54 +0200 Received: from [192.168.178.33] ([37.4.36.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpa.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5HCMqrK009431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:22:54 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDDCC1C.2070407@kabelmail.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:22:52 +0200 From: DK1IS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <783A29A942EF4534B7508BD285EB1DE2@White> In-Reply-To: <783A29A942EF4534B7508BD285EB1DE2@White> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Am 17.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester: > Dear MF enthusiasts, > I have employed my little FiFi-SDR to lash up a temporary MF receiver. > Fullband screenshots of 472 - 479 and 501 - 504 kHz are currently > available every 10 minutes: > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26404526/df6nm_MF.jpg > There is also a simple 40 W transmitter, able to radiate about 0.5 W > from my usual LF antenna. > Thanks very much to DK6NI, DJ2LF and DJ2EY for the nice CW QSOs during > the last three days, and also for the WSPR monitoring around 472.7 kHz > yesterday (G3HUH, M0PPP, "F59706", F6CNI, DF6MK, DL4MFC). > All good fun! > Best 73, > Markus > (DF6NM in Nuernberg JN59NJ) Hello Markus, [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4f449c45f7b1894a9195a328eedaeb30 Subject: Re: LF: MF activity Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090804010907060207070207" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479216832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fddcc717a0e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090804010907060207070207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 17.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester: > Dear MF enthusiasts, > I have employed my little FiFi-SDR to lash up a temporary MF receiver. > Fullband screenshots of 472 - 479 and 501 - 504 kHz are currently > available every 10 minutes: > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26404526/df6nm_MF.jpg > There is also a simple 40 W transmitter, able to radiate about 0.5 W > from my usual LF antenna. > Thanks very much to DK6NI, DJ2LF and DJ2EY for the nice CW QSOs during > the last three days, and also for the WSPR monitoring around 472.7 kHz > yesterday (G3HUH, M0PPP, "F59706", F6CNI, DF6MK, DL4MFC). > All good fun! > Best 73, > Markus > (DF6NM in Nuernberg JN59NJ) Hello Markus, thanks for the nice grabber - just have seen my signals the first time on MF! Testing with driver and LF-Marconi, abt 30 mW ERP. New PA with 8 x PL519 for LF and MF will follow - I`m sick and tired with those nervous MOSFETS ;-) 73, Tom, DK1IS JN59WK --------------090804010907060207070207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 17.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester:
Dear MF enthusiasts,
 
I have employed my little FiFi-SDR to lash up a temporary MF receiver. Fullband screenshots of 472 - 479 and 501 - 504 kHz are currently available every 10 minutes:
 
There is also a simple 40 W transmitter, able to radiate about 0.5 W from my usual LF antenna.
 
Thanks very much to DK6NI, DJ2LF and DJ2EY for the nice CW QSOs during the last three days, and also for the WSPR monitoring around 472.7 kHz yesterday (G3HUH, M0PPP, "F59706", F6CNI, DF6MK, DL4MFC).
 
All good fun!
 
Best 73,
Markus
 
(DF6NM in Nuernberg JN59NJ)
 
Hello Markus,

thanks for the nice grabber - just have seen my signals the first time on MF!  Testing with driver and LF-Marconi, abt 30 mW ERP. New PA with 8 x PL519 for LF and MF will follow - I`m sick and tired with those nervous MOSFETS ;-)

73,
Tom, DK1IS
JN59WK
--------------090804010907060207070207-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 29D6D38000090; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaoB5-0007Gt-KX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:15:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaoB5-0007Gk-0M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:15:35 +0100 Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaoAz-0005as-SF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:15:33 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 13:15:29 -0000 Received: from [212.82.109.128] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 13:15:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 13:15:29 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 36656.55927.bm@omp1020.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 57154 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2012 13:15:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338642928; bh=WWqlzIVtjssfHXfTN6VxSyccFSyg3wWWBsY7x6ZI5gI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Bs8l/hneVMQct/qqWuyQZ5VCIb4usL2fnMnxNhWOHsmBA88nd6Ee+L0aR+r5uTVXbaek8QoiYUlfPQZokeJguxV9W8P/4T2LmhXrvvjOltCIiMRyqIWpmhoCR6URGefQS/HIrjuhPAlKoufJGJwCZv+FJ8wczCBP5atIHjMxvuI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dpCODUXhg0Y3nO8M6sUa41V4EEvNGfPzLEEeBKE1Y5Oi3/QAT5DD3L1hhbBgYxFvVJtX5MPWBThgguN9XUw5Vnq5mFG2rMfjHykdEf3qmkmTgS0QwdDu2CXQFKh9FEG/FO2VbCssx777KXt/U4wuUnjMRnTimsRuFReQJZdTh9c=; X-YMail-OSG: 9NU2tkMVM1n_mK6vpbUS85fi37aSUQ9j2uVarrWDeUrTGYH BXJI1C5Q4Qxc0O_KSuz7GFU5hX94hDzuq3.bVlxgtqJXM6.mSBFKOK7H_3LO GKJAaB75rt7CfYO4gQneDZnsYUnWaSMM9OA5Roxz5AKPG7nsY21im4Yxn3N5 FWXfsf0o.NGRbbTJCapt8JectrfZKhP76fSUQ8I4uLSq4K7QMk_PkMHHDi5Y OpW_hE6H1EVNYQxALy10w7xue.mAqIStT12MDGKFgGG4EneXQUBZ1D6eOMT4 cyW_MVFupprCIizUsW1T5Yk6oROT1IMpVYXUet.QxnIAEkKgl_BErZRl_3u9 sR5k0yp2DGNXI7nTY0EbPZfR0iNR65gqtJ0rcB6QMte7JV67h.aSarM_CviA iO8FLlYwfbYy1v5F.NTeQ15iMepbUhqI4TjmAKHK3v3oTGtUrTY7VdtMNDE1 nCJqK0r0YRgflf1Dg3uxiggJdw4_6SEru Received: from [86.164.62.42] by web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:15:28 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Message-ID: <1338642928.56058.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:15:28 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Paul as near as I can measure 503.276kc/s from a cold counter. Tnx for your interest. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Clemens Paul To: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 12:58 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.90 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f1498eebf16822c5ea85527a90413169 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-710997623-1338642928=:56058" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448913344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m006.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fca122f43a5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-710997623-1338642928=:56058 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AHi Paul as near as I can measure 503.276kc/s from a cold counter. Tnx= for your interest.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_______________= _________________=0A From: Clemens Paul =0ATo: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org =0ACc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk =0ASent: Saturday, = 2 June 2012, 12:58=0ASubject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A = =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0A>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting =0A=C2=A0 =0AWhat is= the actual tx qrg then? =0AJust for exactly looking if the signal is visib= le at =0Aall. =0A=C2=A0 =0A73=0AClemens=0ADL4RAJ =0A----- Original Message = ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Sat= urday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM =0A>Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB = RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.=0A>=0A>73 Pete FMT=0A> =0A>=0A>73 es = GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>=C2=A0 = =0A>E-Mail ist virenfrei.=0A>Von AVG =0A =C3=BCberpr=C3=BCft - www.avg.de= =0A>Version: 2012.0.2178 =0A / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 0= 1.06.2012 ---357169082-710997623-1338642928=:56058 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H= i Paul as near as I can measure 503.276kc/s from a cold counter. Tnx for yo= ur interest.
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---357169082-710997623-1338642928=:56058-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 86C1438018396; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh2GF-0004aW-58 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:30:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh2GE-0004aN-Nj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:30:38 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh2GD-0005Ew-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:30:37 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEKACW24E9cHY3C/2dsb2JhbABFtDoDgS2BCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDSQImBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBAQklFAEECBIGFggGEwoBAgIBAYdsAwYJqEWHUQ2JTopMY2IsgXCDGwOIEIU0kmCEfoJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,438,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="396411149" Received: from host-92-29-141-194.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.141.194]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 18:30:35 +0100 Message-ID: <006e01cd4e41$3ba3e550$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0AA6F.8020903@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:30:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dex We have both here round es square. The big round ones are hard to handle es the sq ones more convenient and in my case they are for horses. The horse GIRLS can get their arms around the sq ones and not the others !!!!!!!! When cutting hay here the only problem might be a pheasants nest es brood , we cut around it when possible. It looks like you understand the country aspect whereas the majority are town dwellers and do not even know what a bale is !!!!!!! I have another QTH in Tyrone NI with a similar situation Masts es Hay !! You cannot beat the wide open spaces with room for masts, wires es wires and plenty of ERP and reception where you can hear a PIN drop !! [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448652576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fe0b7872587 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dex We have both here round es square. The big round ones are hard to handle es the sq ones more convenient and in my case they are for horses. The horse GIRLS can get their arms around the sq ones and not the others !!!!!!!! When cutting hay here the only problem might be a pheasants nest es brood , we cut around it when possible. It looks like you understand the country aspect whereas the majority are town dwellers and do not even know what a bale is !!!!!!! I have another QTH in Tyrone NI with a similar situation Masts es Hay !! You cannot beat the wide open spaces with room for masts, wires es wires and plenty of ERP and reception where you can hear a PIN drop !! de mal/Scarborough ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:35 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 > mal hamilton wrote: > > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > > > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. Hay > bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have loaded hay > bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for live snake > heads sticking out of the bales :) > > Dex > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6295C38000084; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkKB1-0007sj-Ec for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:14:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkKB0-0007sa-Tn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:14:50 +0100 Received: from mailout04.t-online.de ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkKAz-0005C6-0P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:14:49 +0100 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de (fwd08.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1SkKAx-00050c-Tc; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:14:47 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (VOnuQZZBohxv9OuUpGciwqL2brW4fhkV5XmRnxeLh+TpAuf3VNdzPcIixpfh0FVZAf@[84.147.167.185]) by fwd08.t-online.de with esmtp id 1SkKAw-0xawAS0; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:14:46 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <05d3d5e3bc614c2a8de1c7665bc3e36a@kabelmail.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:14:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: VOnuQZZBohxv9OuUpGciwqL2brW4fhkV5XmRnxeLh+TpAuf3VNdzPcIixpfh0FVZAf X-TOI-MSGID: 96af838e-b3bc-4c73-b0e1-c906bcb85e96 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sri, Uwe, for wrong reading. But QRP has a chance too :-) 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.18 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 16a6530e4735ccb856cf9bc7c6cb9773 Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01CD5573.0AEAEA60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489617664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fecad59420d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01CD5573.0AEAEA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sri, Uwe, for wrong reading. But QRP has a chance too :-) 73 Walter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Walter, 1W output means abt 0.006W ERP. what a difference to your 1W ERP! GL Uwe/dj8wx -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 19:10 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Uwe, DJ2LF and DK6NI do not use more than 1W ERP. Maybe your QTH has = lower noise than ours here near Erlangen. We will meet - i am sure. But sri. 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in jo43sv. the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz. the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn. so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient. GL Uwe/dj89wx -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 06:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into = a schematic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01CD5573.0AEAEA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sri, Uwe, for wrong reading. But QRP = has a chance=20 too :-)
73
Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de =
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 = 7:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 = kHz PA=20 running at 12 VDC

Hi=20 Walter,
1W output means abt 0.006W ERP.
what a difference to = your 1W=20 ERP!
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Gesendet:=20 28.06.2012 19:10
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Betreff:=20 Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Uwe, DJ2LF = and DK6NI do=20 not use more than 1W ERP. Maybe your QTH has lower noise than ours = here near=20 Erlangen.
We will meet = - i am=20 sure. But sri.
73   Walter=20 DJ2LF
 
----- Original Message -----
From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de =
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, = June 28, 2012=20 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: = RE: 472 kHz=20 PA running at 12 VDC

Hi all,

last = two nights=20 on the air:
oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in = jo43sv.

the=20 rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz.

the = above=20 stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn.

so the ears here are OK = but the=20 output pwr of 1W seems = insufficient.

GL
Uwe/dj89wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Gesendet:=20 28.06.2012 06:35
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Betreff:=20 LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone=20 is interested i may convert the=20 = circuit from my mind into= a=20 schematic as a png file.

 

Always interested=20 ;-)

 

73,=20 Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T

------=_NextPart_000_006B_01CD5573.0AEAEA60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B6473800009F; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sc2K7-0000Mv-KB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 23:33:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sc2K6-0000Mm-Se for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 23:33:58 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sc2K4-0003eb-Dl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 23:33:57 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q55MXswR025572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 00:33:54 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q55MXswS014601 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 00:33:54 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCE88F7.1040507@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 00:32:23 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF! This night i will transmit on 136.172 kHz again using DFCW-90. One of the goals is the YV7MAE grabber (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html) which is still using a omnidirectional receive antenna. Success is unlikely but its always worth to expect the "impossible" as we know! The TX power is somewhat reduced to -5 dB f.s. Reports apprechiated. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: aee9e5eeb35c86f052d502ac97832558 Subject: LF: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435414624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fce89be52f5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LF! This night i will transmit on 136.172 kHz again using DFCW-90. One of the goals is the YV7MAE grabber (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html) which is still using a omnidirectional receive antenna. Success is unlikely but its always worth to expect the "impossible" as we know! The TX power is somewhat reduced to -5 dB f.s. Reports apprechiated. 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 778DB380000F4; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfWha-0002WS-3v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:36:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfWhZ-0002WJ-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:36:37 +0100 Received: from nm5-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.202]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfWhX-0006My-So for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:36:36 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2012 13:36:33 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.135] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2012 13:36:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2012 13:36:33 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 923039.87665.bm@omp1040.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 39622 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2012 13:36:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1339767393; bh=n9x4wst2JobxMN+oUfcqAvvuFmaALMcvr0NMuMR5Jb4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TMgD+Hos7VBZxCfjw5o1wfOPAWPy9MkLVXvg02k1yGQHKpAbqwFxWytiTZVSthLPMmEgh3C8em5EJT7i1ZOZw25Vi0LpbpF/xgSFFowQCz0e2Ie8fhkTIgrSIf6Jz6fxXb1jOlmUbribQWHKwPTCJ1csiGdaeFDD3FsO2E0QY7w= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=apdkwJhSAl5zg42Qy3ZRgcjgpMm4GRHDczCa0Aras0jnq17MQpfhKu7cmzL8PkkJUCFU0dP9WzlmXuqkwez2KTyg/kAWsN/rm/pPlwT7Dz+MY7liLsEyFal7rMfUX1Ah9iE2WPQJVRPmv/YoAxVMQAa8w/sQ02rBHrw2O10Uf68=; X-YMail-OSG: vkoD7ywVM1mbvwPxuroBfiU3auGkWcc1tntJQGWZyFtquAC 1gjXJlgf9L9Ojo9A.ayv0sTVdtn6j1rCW96k1ImwGYE2kQhjX_s6GCMLrs65 wXXtsZEK.IrSnod.RupYeELN6eocCtl2QEgKWum40vtK3EXcouoHQPv8r5Bt Ahg.AVR1O77cnxODVBQOt5bNpoYdaTGt_ceU7pKxFta04TdkINO6BdRSySA9 BEMaeqYPaZNxpwJ6hehasaEdbyExOExQZrH4uXqLFPbbAntNWjnKd9c2eRwj oee33iRaiJJFT1PXZa5mg5y1d3fCKRPefdEEAuwTwk1G.NWSSb15Vi1f8vqn DVT6S3HVbckPFzqH5Kr07gi5gh2Y24Tr2jpFZD.ty0FjL9vOeDOYvSZuoPA_ UGzi6F0O_OQQPs90BPFvW4Z.HTu2Cs1B4Vw2ZuR7DFmeeZYEp Received: from [86.164.58.72] by web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:36:33 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1339767393.38173.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:36:33 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I'd go with that Albert. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Albert To: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.202 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1507048413-342181127-1339767393=:38173" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425960512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fdb3aa03293 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror --1507048413-342181127-1339767393=:38173 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd go with that Albert.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A__________= ______________________=0A From: Albert =0ATo: rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54=0ASubject: Re: LF:= RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??=0A =0AG,=0A=0AJust to start the dis= cussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz.=0A=0A73, Albert --1507048413-342181127-1339767393=:38173 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd go with that Al= bert.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=
= From: Albert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54<= br> Subject: Re: LF: RE: N= ew Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

G,

Just to start the discussion,= my proposal is dial 477 kHz.

73, Albert





--1507048413-342181127-1339767393=:38173-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8BC9A3800009D; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShFkf-0000yD-RD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:54:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShFkf-0000y4-Co for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:54:57 +0100 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShFkd-0000dm-2I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:54:56 +0100 Received: from 3capp-webde-bs09.dlan.cinetic.de ( [172.19.170.9]) by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3663376EA6E3 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:54:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [84.63.98.127] by 3capp-webde-bs09 with HTTP; Wed Jun 20 09:54:54 CEST 2012 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?Q?=22Horst_St=C3=B6cker=22?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:54:54 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/5BS/NFOlaZTe9GehDvFC1I5Z+ptdBc/+gJmGjNa0fAnRHu9Frc6W9 icorVCZGJ21uuUKjfp3Wd44TGXGrJnp3xDg0ks+QYA9/bBcL4Z8+S8rTPFJUfzwI X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012? The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really? [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.72.192.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (horst.stoecker[at]web.de) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_ONLY,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:399102752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4fe1820847a7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none
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The=20DARC,=20espec= ially=20DK4VW,=20made=20a=20big=20deal.=20Really?
The=20new= =20allocation=20will=20only=20ge=20for=20the=20class=20A,=20not=20for=20the= =20class=20E.=20Whats=20so=20funny=20about?=20With=20DI2AN=20I=20was=20allo= wed=20to=20transmit=20with=20max.=209W=20ERP.=20Anyone=20-=20not=20just=20H= AMs=20-=20still=20can=20get=20these=20licences=20in=20germany.=20As=20HAM= =20with=20class=20E=20even=20not=201W=20ERP=20-=20just=20nothing.
It's=20a=20similar=20situation=20as=20with=20the=20HAM=20band=20>2= 50GHz.=20But=20with=20one=20Difference:=20When=20>250GHz=20became=20a=20= HAM=20band=20in=20DL=20the=20RegTP=20(now=20BNetzA)=20remembered=20that=20t= here=20were=20experimental=20stations=20(like=20my=20DA5FS)=20with=20every= =20kind=20of=20licences.=20So=20one=20decided=20for=20the=20only=20logical= =20consequence:=20>250THz=20ist=20still=20allocated=20to=20class=20A=20A= ND=20E=20HAMs.
Really=20a=20big=20deal=20about=20492kHz!=20I= =20know=20ones=20more=20why=20I=20left=20the=20club!
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Ihr=20WEB.DE=20Postfach=20immer=20dabei:=20die=20kostenlose=20= WEB.DE=20Mail=20App=20für=20iPhone=20und=20Android.   <= br>htt= ps://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/= =0D=0A From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0A69738000088; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 05:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHvn-00064X-Bj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:26:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHvm-00064O-Pd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:26:02 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdHvk-0003Nu-TI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:26:01 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAMsV009cHYYc/2dsb2JhbABFgkWyE4EIghMFAQEFCAEBAyApAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQoeBxQBBBoGDQkIBhMKAQICAQGHfrg8iyeCToMbA4gNhTGXW4Jg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="37712281" Received: from host-92-29-134-28.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.134.28]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 10:26:00 +0100 Message-ID: <005e01cd4621$e0d34660$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <000001cd461f$4d2fef50$e78fcdf0$@com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:25:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks Terry. Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW where information can be exchanged in a few minutes. Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong and both ends have suitable antennas. 73 es GL de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: eec106d36eb876515d296e51093c048c Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01CD4621.E0A3AAE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:505111168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fd316dc7818 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CD4621.E0A3AAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Terry. Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW = where information can be exchanged in a few minutes. Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. = There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong = and both ends have suitable antennas.=20 73 es GL de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry GW0EZY=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !! =20 Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. =20 73 Terry =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40 To: rsgb Cc: rsgb Subject: LF: 136.5 now =20 LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call =20 de g3kev =20 ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CD4621.E0A3AAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Terry.
Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. = So nice=20 to QSO in CW where information can be exchanged in a few = minutes.
Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for = communications on LF. There is no need for long winded QRS when the = signals are=20 fairly strong and both ends have suitable antennas.
73 es GL de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Terry = GW0EZY
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 = 9:07=20 AM
Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 = now

Nice=20 to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV=20 !!

 

Mal=20 your RST 589 Mike your RST 579.

 

73=20 Terry

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal=20 hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40
To: = rsgb
Cc:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: 136.5 = now

 

LF

Now CQ on=20 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call

 

de=20 g3kev

 

------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CD4621.E0A3AAE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6F036380000E8; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd0gy-0008Om-Gx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:01:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd0gy-0008Ob-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:01:36 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd0gw-000828-9S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:01:35 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnQJABIT0k9cHnWs/2dsb2JhbABFigGpHASBLYEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMlASMCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh3UJB7kaiyZCgiWDGQONPpdbgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,377,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="393884226" Received: from host-92-30-117-172.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.117.172]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Jun 2012 16:01:33 +0100 Message-ID: <002301cd4587$970dadd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:01:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: If I thought you could receive me I would TX even xband LF/MF. Have you improved your RX es antenna. I would be on CW only because QRSS is not necessary around EU G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: LF: Fieldday [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: c1f72e5acb1277e013f90c915ad7ad68 Subject: LF: Re: Fieldday Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:400923072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fd213f82d2c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none If I thought you could receive me I would TX even xband LF/MF. Have you improved your RX es antenna. I would be on CW only because QRSS is not necessary around EU G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: LF: Fieldday > LF! > > Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and > experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and > shapes will be tested. > The locator will be JN49FV26GJ > (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49FV26GJ). If someone of the others > offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some images to > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html > Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I > will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4803F380000AD; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shj6O-0008JG-5c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:15:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shj6N-0008J7-Bp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:15:19 +0100 Received: from nm21-vm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.207]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shj6J-0007vo-IR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:15:18 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm21.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 15:15:14 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.117] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 15:15:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 15:15:14 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 382180.54190.bm@omp1026.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 93330 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2012 15:15:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340291714; bh=8AK6kwjPQzEJX6Gd/b0U7xbctq7sGz3JAAvhIcd21Xc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LZrHIW3qBp6J5fS8V5q1BBAQVHUL0NKrAj7ZcZRShY8vzUwRhbqPnfEj3cX64w3UWXcghIjqG4vNWX0fR/Yd8kMWJHeWfo9hexH+/aY8TGQ4/u8bCVQ6Of/lSzMcop6A22mZxCfiZBYRdXv0DMF1XjdPsuBtkiJGrOz98c0LNUA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eJh+YCddehIicfPhfR6WXW7/dZZxUExLaOxrQOu8Y0oOU5sjiVxWFk3SPImsxNkzWzgXtAqsaCCIyk3748AviRG8ykQdIb1+CqgykHp9R56E31+qC3WAnO24LqmFUrYO74Cb8qSetj9VnqIfxmGpdWB7ofERx8PKRWXVuXkQG7g=; X-YMail-OSG: WdXKsZ8VM1mMrJ0Rmq6PFyh6uJJv__TMU9._o8bALZkW38z aRGuytEuwvpuLsNhP8zbbNFBgOd7OqB_YPNi7lI_E.YUBqmY20xy.zOJxvio HBsxKmo.TZTu3k_4LBiAT12U5fklp7Aer34rZG2adWN_6P8KeE9R5MNyxi9p ygAarfRt5o6vqAoIUxSW_m7_ee6ykT8C1vG9DC7Wv1QIzOkc.8w8fnc3po17 2Ccet10AOV4vQrVDEDor9o0QipvgcFMhlAfTcNgYT.YmIjbnqLFQt.wBhbO6 a6.djTQC1whKYsCHDDP9T.KfpFYkDpbLs.6yygdih.WMDo2_C8G46V6a8kvK lnypMFDdbWa17d.gulNhSXFfJVGSvXqaj8gum_7916aTgbV1fUDl.by8dVcl ScPveagl.j5xgfASZRVD_yi.y0urILdGgVsteGGHHMWQ6HxRVPvzHKQo9uoR oBZDmQ.qclHSkXZDMCWxl9.KdVPAfT_fNWpQkk7d2kFLdUvK0Zf1G4S2Oqcf JWbncQco8bpxNv.ZOmVoS8WTEUIS4VGswpvDf7mq9OSLFps96CXJyFUFhFVE zIR5DyJWnUAeo68fyCMGCj4cbAJUP73Gg.QNuC.k9Q.DR3HqoNei2UCDnVPI xdhbqrRwmLut3U2uaZuDMU.H5OJI9mE2grYBEj3yugbodnGsRq88jqiHJcpK P6KzLjdbIbEPuDOwmCLSktOlK0FD9D7I7KISdYu2QWZJ7D5oZ42ar_TbmOiJ schz1apT424hGQSJF75x.lnu6RmnyfITa2cQUOS_JN4LaRB2NBCaxqr6fRMd TONaKV1fqzubJnc7GUyyWHryQMY3PUuhdlrmCwKe5FdAF.3h7_8Sm8dQuTOY m0gZWSMF09DiY15ZDoBVc0EJjTWR40McwSruJwBT1GmNLejjiECJbfLplSpG x2XZbyi1Lnulp2_YAyPuLLmpV Received: from [86.164.69.177] by web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:15:13 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4388E8F39C5@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> <1340272951.77171.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <7C98FC26BC0347BABE8E19197AEB241D@AGB> Message-ID: <1340291713.90922.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:15:13 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <7C98FC26BC0347BABE8E19197AEB241D@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham Yep it's Ham Radio Graham, but not as we know it. BTW, Do you get the feeling there's an echo somewhere on this reflector?? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.108.207 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 58067cca381a9a29d283a47426ceb5b1 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1156544886-1340291713=:90922" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:423456192:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m238.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fe33add5207 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1156544886-1340291713=:90922 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AHi Graham=0A=0AYep it's Ham Radio Graham, but not as we know it.=0A= =0ABTW, Do you get the feeling there's an echo somewhere on this reflector?= ?=0A=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A______________________________= __=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org =0ASent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 14:40=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs= =0A =0A=0A =0AWell=C2=A0=C2=A0 unintended=C2=A0=C2=A0 consequence=C2=A0=C2= =A0 may=C2=A0 =0Abe playing=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 part=C2=A0 in this=C2=A0 as well = , by the=C2=A0 time =0Athe=C2=A0 project=C2=A0 was=C2=A0 finished ,I think= =C2=A0 =C2=A0it=C2=A0 =0Awas=C2=A0 out of=C2=A0 economic =C2=A0production= =C2=A0 range=C2=A0 =C2=A0, =0Athe=C2=A0 rest=C2=A0 is on-going history=C2= =A0 as=C2=A0 development costs=C2=A0 =0Aprobably=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 not=C2=A0= be=C2=A0 re-claimed , its=C2=A0 cheap=C2=A0 =0A, but=C2=A0 not=C2=A0 that= =C2=A0 cheap=C2=A0 ,=C2=A0 same as=C2=A0 lots=C2=A0 =0Aof=C2=A0 posts=C2=A0= about=C2=A0 making=C2=A0=C2=A0 digital=C2=A0 =0Aback-ends=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 = older=C2=A0 HF=C2=A0 radios=C2=A0 ...eh !=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A, =C2=A310=C2=A0 s= oft rock=C2=A0 or=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 dongel=C2=A0 , job=C2=A0 done , =0Asomethin= g=C2=A0 in qst / qex=C2=A0 looks=C2=A0 10=C2=A0 years too=C2=A0 =0Alate=C2= =A0 , why not a=C2=A0 Leakey=C2=A0 grid=C2=A0 6c4 =C2=A0AM detector , =0Aif= =C2=A0 you=C2=A0 want to=C2=A0 go=C2=A0 retro =0A=0A24=C2=A0 bit=C2=A0 com= pared to the=C2=A0 8 bit=C2=A0 USB-TV=C2=A0=C2=A0 , =0Abut=C2=A0 apparently= =C2=A0 that's=C2=A0 not the=C2=A0 problem that=C2=A0 =0Amight=C2=A0 be=C2= =A0 imagined ......Ive one=C2=A0 sitting=C2=A0 in the=C2=A0 box =0A,=C2=A0 = still=C2=A0 slowly=C2=A0 working down the=C2=A0 things to=C2=A0 do=C2=A0 = =0Alist ......... now=C2=A0 one that=C2=A0=C2=A0 Tx over that=C2=A0 range= =C2=A0 . =0Athat=C2=A0 would be=C2=A0 handy ! =0A=0AG.. =0A=0A =0AFrom: M0= FMT =0ASent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A =0A =0AHi Marco =0A=0ABeware = vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not =0Acheap!!!!!! T= his whole exercise exposes =0Athe dark side of ham radio publishing. I coul= d say more but suffice to say the DVB-T stick is probably a lower spec than= that. But not at a ratio of =0A10 to 1!!! =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX= =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Scholz, Marco " =0ATo: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" =0A =0ASent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, =0A10:30=0ASubject: RE: LF: = SDR =0Aprograms=0A=0A=0A =0AHello =0APete, =0AI =0Abought a Funcube Dongle = (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it=E2=80=99s very impressive =0Ahow thi= s small USB stick works. =0AI =0Acompared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my= converter and could receive with the =0AFuncube dongle many stations via S= poradic E nearly with the same signal =0Astrength. =0ASDR =0Aprogram is SDR= -Radio http://sdr-radio.com/ =0A=C2=A0 =0Avy73 =0AMarco, =0ADD7PC =0A=C2=A0= =0AFrom:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT=0ASent: 20 June 2012 20:40=0ATo: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms =0A=0AHi all =0ASave= those precious Euros because you =0Adon=E2=80=99t know how long they will = be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s=C2=A0 =0ABorIP app and Ex= tIO.USRP DLL using=C2=A0 ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (c= hip set) DVB-T USB =0Astick. =0AThese DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are abou= t =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK source and =0Acover about 50megs to 1.7gigs a= nd with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the cheap =0Away or expensive Monolit= hic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or similar =0Ablock mixer; you too= can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF =0Acoverage for peanu= ts all run off the USB supply just add antenna. =0AOh and guess what the s= tick gets you all your local digital TV stations =0Awith record facility an= d all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80=99s not enough =0Aall your= local FM BC as well.=C2=A0 Not a lot of people know =0Athat! =0AURLs apply= =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 =0Ahttps://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_p= roduct=3D239 =0Ahttp://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compat= ibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/ =0AYou won=E2=80=99t read about =0Athis i= n Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) =0AYy 73=C2=A0 Pete =0AM0fmt =0A=C2=A0 =0A= =0A=C2=A0 =0A73 es GL Pete =0AM0FMT IO91UX =0AFrom:Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer =0A<= Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0ASent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, =0A18:40=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs = =0A=0AHi =0APiotr,=0A=0AThanks for the overview of programs. That's what i = searched =0Afor.=0ABut maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assume= d a SDR software =0Ais also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are t= he programs you're =0Areferring on usable for both, IQ and mono?=0AWell, i'= m waiting for one of my SL =0Ateachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If the= re is a solution in SpecLab i would =0Aprefer that i think...=0A=0ABest 73,= Stefan/DK7FC=0A=0A> Hi Stefan, =0ALF=0A> =0A> i have SDR-IQ receiver from= =C2=A0 RFSpace. The primary =0Asupporting software for all their sdr=C2=A0 = hardware is Spectravue.=0A> you =0Acan download this program from the rfspa= ce site:=0A> =0A> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html=0A> =0A> i= do recommend this program=C2=A0 although it is sligthly difficult to =0Age= t started.=0A> However,=C2=A0 once you get familiar with it you will like = =0Ait:)=0A> =0A> on a "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/=C2=A0 you w= ill also find =0Aa link to sdr -radio:=0A> =0A> http://www.sdr-radio.com/= =0A> =0A>=C2=A0 =0Athey have a very powerful radio console which looks like= a regular transceiver =0Afront side=0A>=C2=A0 It has many many different o= ptions - of course, it does =0Atake time to learn all of them but the basic= setup is rather easy..=0A> =0A> i also recommend=C2=A0 HDSDR software:=C2= =A0 http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html=0A> very intuitive and easy =0Ato use.= =0A> =0A> Well, there is a growing number of sdr software =0Asupporting=C2= =A0 sdr hardware.=C2=A0 an example of such collection of sdr =0Aprograms yo= u can find here:=0A> =0A> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcar= d_sdr_software=0A> =0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yours, Piotr= , SQ7MPJ=0A> =0A> qth: Lodz =0A/jo91rs/=0A> =0A> --435439028-1156544886-1340291713=:90922 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H= i Graham
 
Yep it's Ham Radio Graham, but not as w= e know it.
 
BTW, Do you get the feeling there's a= n echo somewhere on this reflector??

73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 14:4= 0
Subject: Re: LF: SDR= programs

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Well&= nbsp;  unintended   consequence   may  =0Abe = playing  a  part  in this  as well , by the  time = =0Athe  project  was  finished ,I think   it = =0Awas  out of  economic  production  range  &nbs= p;, =0Athe  rest  is on-going history  as  development = costs  =0Aprobably  will  not  be  re-claimed , it= s  cheap  =0A, but  not  that  cheap  , = same as  lots  =0Aof  posts  about  making &= nbsp; digital  =0Aback-ends  for  older  HF  radio= s  ...eh !   =0A, =C2=A310  soft rock  or  a&= nbsp; dongel  , job  done , =0Asomething  in qst / qex = looks  10  years too  =0Alate  , why not a  Leake= y  grid  6c4  AM detector , =0Aif  you  want to&nb= sp; go  retro
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24  bit  com= pared to the  8 bit  USB-TV   , =0Abut  apparently=   that's  not the  problem that  =0Amight  be = ; imagined ......Ive one  sitting  in the  box =0A,  st= ill  slowly  working down the  things to  do  =0Al= ist ......... now  one that   Tx over that  range = . =0Athat  would be  handy !
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From: M0FMT =0A
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM
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Subject: Re: LF: SDR progra= ms
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Hi Marco=0A
 
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Beware vested interests we are talking cheap h= ere, Funcube is not =0Acheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes =0Athe dark side of ham radio p= ublishing. I could say more but s= uffice to say the DVB-T stick is probably a lower spec than that. But not at a ratio of =0A1= 0 to 1!!!
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: "Scholz, Ma= rco " <marco.scholz@citi.com<= /a>>
To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org'" =0A<rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, =0A10:30
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Hello =0AP= ete,
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I =0Abou= ght a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it=E2=80=99s very = impressive =0Ahow this small USB stick works.
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I =0Acompared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube wi= th my converter and could receive with the =0AFuncube dongle many stations = via Sporadic E nearly with the same signal =0Astrength.
=0ASDR =0Aprogram is SDR-Radio http://sdr= -radio.com/
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v= y73
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Marco, = =0ADD7PC
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From: =0Aowner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] =0AOn Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 2= 0 June 2012 20:40
To: =0Arsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subje= ct: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms
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<= span style=3D'color: black; font-family: "serif";'>Hi all
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Save those precious Euros because you =0Adon=E2=80=99t know how= long they will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  =0A= BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultr= a-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB =0Astick. =0A<= /div>
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These DV= B-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK source and = =0Acover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the= cheap =0Away or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 = or similar =0Ablock mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX wi= th DC to UHF =0Acoverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add an= tenna. =0A
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=0AOh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations =0Awith record facility and all your local Digital radio and if th= at=E2=80=99s not enough =0Aall your local FM BC as well.  Not a lot of= people know =0Athat!
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URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
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You wo= n=E2=80=99t read about =0Athis in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0)
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Yy 73  Pete =0AM0fmt
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73 es GL Pete =0AM0FMT IO91UX
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From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer =0A<S= tefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: =0Arsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, =0A18:40
Subjec= t: Re: LF: SDR programs
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Hi =0APiotr,
Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched =0Afor.
Bu= t maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software =0Ai= s also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs you're = =0Areferring on usable for both, IQ and mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one = of my SL =0Ateachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution i= n SpecLab i would =0Aprefer that i think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> Hi Stefan, =0ALF
>
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from&nbs= p; RFSpace. The primary =0Asupporting software for all their sdr  hard= ware is Spectravue.
> you =0Acan download this program from the rfspa= ce site:
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> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE= /SVDownload.html
> =0A
> i do recommend this program  = although it is sligthly difficult to =0Aget started.
> However, = once you get familiar with it you will like =0Ait:)
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> on a = "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/  you will also find =0Aa lin= k to sdr -radio:
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> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
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&= gt;  =0Athey have a very powerful radio console which looks like a reg= ular transceiver =0Afront side
>  It has many many different opt= ions - of course, it does =0Atake time to learn all of them but the basic s= etup is rather easy..
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> i also recommend  HDSDR soft= ware:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very intuitive an= d easy =0Ato use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr s= oftware =0Asupporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collecti= on of sdr =0Aprograms you can find here:
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> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_s= oftware
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>            &n= bsp;       =0A            &nbs= p;         =0A           =           =0A        yours, P= iotr, SQ7MPJ
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent poll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to Yahoo, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either place or both. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.210.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: b1e5ebccbad86c8ca1fd46d24f0285de Subject: LF: Blacksheep and Yahoo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33d5bed055d904c3117d8c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:310624992:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m009.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fe492f777f5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --047d7b33d5bed055d904c3117d8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent poll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to Yahoo, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either place or both. Personally I think we need to either: (a) Keep day-to-day posts on Blacksheep and use the Yahoo group *just* as an LF/MF/VLF archiving facility where links, schematics, pictures and screenshots etc can be kept for the long-term i.e. *not* post day-to-day sked type messages on Yahoo. or (b) Fully migrate to Yahoo and close the Blacksheep reflector. We all want the best way of communicating LF/MF/VLF news and information and we also want the ability to archive important and helpful data for newcomers and history. As long as this is achieved most of us don't mind how. I proposed a full move to a Yahoo group as it allows both quick email type messaging and archiving. IMHO this is still the better option, but it is not my place to dictate what experienced LFers prefer. * *Constructive and helpful comments please. 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ --047d7b33d5bed055d904c3117d8c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent p= oll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to Yaho= o, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either place= or both.

Personally I think we need to either:

(a) Keep day-to-day posts= on Blacksheep and use the Yahoo group just as an=20 LF/MF/VLF archiving facility where links, schematics, pictures and screensh= ots etc can be kept for the long-term i.e. not post day-to-day sked type=20 messages on Yahoo.

or

(b) Fully migrate to Yahoo and close th= e Blacksheep reflector.

We all want the best way of communicating LF/MF/VLF news and information and we also want the ability to archive important and helpful data for=20 newcomers and history. As long as this is achieved most of us don't min= d how.

I proposed a full move to a Yahoo group as it allows both qui= ck email type messaging and archiving. IMHO this is still the better option= , but it is not my place to dictate what experienced LFers prefer.

Constructive and helpful comments please.

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--047d7b33d5bed055d904c3117d8c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8BFA438000093; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgHNL-0006lM-KP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:26:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgHNL-0006lD-5U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:26:51 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgHNJ-0007Op-CA; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:26:50 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIOAPL23U9cF/D+/2dsb2JhbABFigaqHQEBAoErgQiCEwUBAQQBCAEBAyUBIwIhBQYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh2wDBgm3QopWYgoKBzAagR2BHoMbA41Dl16CYIFW X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,426,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="396193545" Received: from host-92-23-240-254.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.254]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jun 2012 16:26:45 +0100 Message-ID: <004201cd4c9d$97c6ff70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <360DB78560C94BDDB6ED8173E08935E7@gnat> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:26:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Alan I work both 160 metres and 600 metres and find both similar. Daytime range and night time similar. but you must compare like with like power and antenna wise. I use a 1/4 wave inv L on each band up at 100 ft vertical, but naturally the 600 metre antenna is less efficient than the 160 metre therefore one has to adjust the power on 160 to get the same erp for comparison purposes. In my case 10w erp on each band For those fiddling about with 400w pep on 160 and a variety of antennas and unknown erp and those with a few watts on 600 metres and often very small antennas you cannot draw any rational comparison I can work over the same distances daytime on 160 or 600 and after dark the same applies to dx locations. [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473141632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fddf7690a87 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Alan I work both 160 metres and 600 metres and find both similar. Daytime range and night time similar. but you must compare like with like power and antenna wise. I use a 1/4 wave inv L on each band up at 100 ft vertical, but naturally the 600 metre antenna is less efficient than the 160 metre therefore one has to adjust the power on 160 to get the same erp for comparison purposes. In my case 10w erp on each band For those fiddling about with 400w pep on 160 and a variety of antennas and unknown erp and those with a few watts on 600 metres and often very small antennas you cannot draw any rational comparison I can work over the same distances daytime on 160 or 600 and after dark the same applies to dx locations. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:54 PM Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions > Stefan, the groundwave does not change, but what you have is varying amounts > of skywave and daytime "fading" The wavelength is only a quarter of that at > 136kHz so it only tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) reflection > height to give the same sort of constrctive and destructive interference. > 500kHz does not travel over land so well as the surface "roughness" is > bigger wrt a wavelength ( but even rough seas are generally less "rough" > than land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency and quite different to both > 136 and top-band. There are times of the day when the fading can be vicious > at relatively short range Also with the shorter wavelength most antenna > height limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at 136kHz > > Enjoy the new "playground" :-)) > > Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Schfer" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:03 PM > Subject: LF: Further MF impressions > > > > MF, > > > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the > > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly > > lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the band > > noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. > > > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in > > these first days... > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 600A83800008F; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sepg4-0002iT-NU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:40:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sepg4-0002iK-BV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:40:12 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s8.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sepg2-0004id-KL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:40:11 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W30 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:40:09 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group , RSGB Yahoo Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:40:09 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2012 15:40:09.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[D04939B0:01CD497A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All, Sorry to say that the loss of grabber updates is due to a problem with my PC. Unable to resolve early & the grabbers may be off for a few days. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.19 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0f08d89a-df27-4d45-b924-0c0793e484d2_" Subject: LF: G4WGT Grabbers X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:333770016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60184fd8b48d2463 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_0f08d89a-df27-4d45-b924-0c0793e484d2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=2C =20 Sorry to say that the loss of grabber updates is due to a problem with my P= C. =20 Unable to resolve early & the grabbers may be off for a few days. =20 73=2C =20 Gary - G4WGT. = --_0f08d89a-df27-4d45-b924-0c0793e484d2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All=2C

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= --_0f08d89a-df27-4d45-b924-0c0793e484d2_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 74BE03800009B; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScdRc-000290-Vg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:12:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScdRc-00028r-Dv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:12:12 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScdRa-00029C-0b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:12:11 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57EC88t027251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:12:09 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57EC8nh000569 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:12:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:10:36 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF! I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN :-) In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: aee9e5eeb35c86f052d502ac97832558 Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:401722208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554fd0b6f6261f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LF! I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN :-) In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 874D33800008C; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCFS-0000mg-FU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:57:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCFS-0000mX-2K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:57:42 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCFQ-0001xM-Bg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:57:40 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlIJALJ6y09cF/B0/2dsb2JhbABEsngEgSWBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh2wDD6t9CIlTixEaNAOCKYMWA4gNhTCQfoZWgmCBVgUE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="374195425" Received: from host-92-23-240-116.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.116]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 15:57:38 +0100 Message-ID: <00db01cd4199$36b3fee0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00a201cd4197$444c2340$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:57:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well expressed Jay. There are more indicating to remain with the status quo Blacksheep reflector than moving. but where are the other 150 members that are supposed to be subscribed - all sitting on the Fence or out Grazing I would suggest a U - TURN mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:432692608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608c4fcb7b946f24 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Well expressed Jay. There are more indicating to remain with the status quo Blacksheep reflector than moving. but where are the other 150 members that are supposed to be subscribed - all sitting on the Fence or out Grazing I would suggest a U - TURN mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:43 PM Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep > <2 cents> > > It seems only a couple folks are requesting an immediate shutdown of blacksheep. Why not let both > run simultaneously for some time and see which wins out? It should be a simple matter to judge, > after a period of time, which is more popular. > > Some folks (me included) are not interested in having their messages archived for eternity ... or > looking for a place to upload articles or pictures of a new gadget. There are other simple options > for doing this outside of yahoo. I don't want to notified each time someone uploads a new snapshot. > > I'm set up to receive both yahoo and blacksheep via e mail so don't see the 'fuss' to receive both. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 51C2C3800009F; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjSYQ-0004L4-IR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:59:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjSYQ-0004Kv-0f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:59:26 +0100 Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjSYO-0002Dl-1H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:59:24 +0100 Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SxqN1j0060SCNGk53xzNRS; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:59:22 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SxzP1j00A0CFS1j3VxzPM0; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:59:24 +0000 Message-ID: <002201cd5382$5c1cd620$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <4FE8F6FE.4030409@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 05:59:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Not much to show for the effort last night ... high static levels the main culprit. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 [...] Content analysis details: (0.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475208736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164fe9883b6e7f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan Not much to show for the effort last night ... high static levels the main culprit. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 7:40 PM Subject: LF: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) > LF! > > Once again, braving the summer hole, i'm transmitting over night on 136.172 kHz in DFCW-90. Still > hoping to leave some traces in that mode in YV. The days become longer here again now! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EB61A38000093; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgHi1-0006tk-Jo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:48:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgHi0-0006ta-R3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:48:12 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s34.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgHhy-0007TV-65 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:48:11 +0100 Received: from BLU153-W57 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s34.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:48:08 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.61.82.17] From: Laurence KL7UK To: Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:48:08 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004201cd4c9d$97c6ff70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <360DB78560C94BDDB6ED8173E08935E7@gnat>,<004201cd4c9d$97c6ff70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2012 15:48:08.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[97A7FE60:01CD4CA0] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ive found 160/600m dx and even ground wave coverage very different dependent on Geographic and Geomagnetic latitudes, topography etc. Even the Iono QRN affects from lightning has a different "taste" It may be the same with Mal in the UK but my personal view is it hasnt played out that way in a number of places Ive operated in/on globally. Vivre la/le difference! (apologies!) Laurence KL1X enroute to AK (yipee) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.45 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (hellozerohellozero[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 46d617994b9fba079dc3ad7182acba54 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5050e0d7-84f0-4f74-b936-e9435ecb1ce0_" Subject: LF: re: Further MF impressions X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493357472:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fddfc7445a3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_5050e0d7-84f0-4f74-b936-e9435ecb1ce0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ive found 160/600m dx and even ground wave coverage very different dependen= t on Geographic and Geomagnetic latitudes=2C topography etc. Even the Iono = QRN affects from lightning has a different "taste" It may be the same with Mal in the UK but my personal view is it hasnt play= ed out that way in a number of places Ive operated in/on globally. Vivre la= /le difference! (apologies!) Laurence KL1X enroute to AK (yipee) > From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun=2C 17 Jun 2012 15:26:39 +0000 > Subject: LF: Re: Re: Further MF impressions >=20 > Alan > I work both 160 metres and 600 metres and find both similar. Daytime rang= e > and night time similar. > but you must compare like with like power and antenna wise. > I use a 1/4 wave inv L on each band up at 100 ft vertical=2C but naturall= y the > 600 metre antenna is less efficient than the 160 metre therefore one has = to > adjust the power on 160 to get the same erp for comparison purposes. In m= y > case 10w erp on each band > For those fiddling about with 400w pep on 160 and a variety of antennas a= nd > unknown erp and those with a few watts on 600 metres and often very small > antennas you cannot draw any rational comparison > I can work over the same distances daytime on 160 or 600 and after dark t= he > same applies to dx locations. >=20 > de mal/g3kev >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Melia" > To: > Sent: Sunday=2C June 17=2C 2012 2:54 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions >=20 >=20 > > Stefan=2C the groundwave does not change=2C but what you have is varyin= g > amounts > > of skywave and daytime "fading" The wavelength is only a quarter of tha= t > at > > 136kHz so it only tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) reflectio= n > > height to give the same sort of constrctive and destructive interferenc= e. > > 500kHz does not travel over land so well as the surface "roughness" is > > bigger wrt a wavelength ( but even rough seas are generally less "rough= " > > than land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency and quite different to > both > > 136 and top-band. There are times of the day when the fading can be > vicious > > at relatively short range Also with the shorter wavelength most antenn= a > > height limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at 136kHz > > > > Enjoy the new "playground" :-)) > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday=2C June 17=2C 2012 3:03 PM > > Subject: LF: Further MF impressions > > > > > > > MF=2C > > > > > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xta= l > > > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in > the > > > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significant= ly > > > lower than in the evening=2C at least 20 dB. So now i see that the ba= nd > > > noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. > > > > > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > > > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > > > > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience= in > > > these first days... > > > > > > 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 = --_5050e0d7-84f0-4f74-b936-e9435ecb1ce0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ive found 160/600m dx and even ground wave coverage very different =3Bd= ependent =3Bon Geographic and Geomagnetic latitudes=2C topography etc. = Even the Iono QRN affects from lightning has a different "taste"

It may be the same with= Mal in the UK but my personal view is it hasnt played out that way in a nu= mber of places Ive operated in/on globally. Vivre la/le difference! (apolog= ies!)

Laurence KL1X enroute to AK (yipee)



>=3B From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
>=3B To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org
>=3B CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=3B Date: Sun=2C 17= Jun 2012 15:26:39 +0000
>=3B Subject: LF: Re: Re: Further MF impressi= ons
>=3B
>=3B Alan
>=3B I work both 160 metres and 600 metr= es and find both similar. Daytime range
>=3B and night time similar.>=3B but you must compare like with like power and antenna wise.
>= =3B I use a 1/4 wave inv L on each band up at 100 ft vertical=2C but natura= lly the
>=3B 600 metre antenna is less efficient than the 160 metre th= erefore one has to
>=3B adjust the power on 160 to get the same erp fo= r comparison purposes. In my
>=3B case 10w erp on each band
>=3B = For those fiddling about with 400w pep on 160 and a variety of antennas and=
>=3B unknown erp and those with a few watts on 600 metres and often v= ery small
>=3B antennas you cannot draw any rational comparison
>= =3B I can work over the same distances daytime on 160 or 600 and after dark= the
>=3B same applies to dx locations.
>=3B
>=3B de mal/g3= kev
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B ----- Original Message -----
>=3B = From: "Alan Melia" <=3Balan.melia@btinternet.com>=3B
>=3B To: <= =3Brsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=3B
>=3B Sent: Sunday=2C June 17=2C = 2012 2:54 PM
>=3B Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Stefan=2C the groundwave does not change=2C but = what you have is varying
>=3B amounts
>=3B >=3B of skywave and = daytime "fading" The wavelength is only a quarter of that
>=3B at
&= gt=3B >=3B 136kHz so it only tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) = reflection
>=3B >=3B height to give the same sort of constrctive and= destructive interference.
>=3B >=3B 500kHz does not travel over lan= d so well as the surface "roughness" is
>=3B >=3B bigger wrt a wavel= ength ( but even rough seas are generally less "rough"
>=3B >=3B tha= n land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency and quite different to
>= =3B both
>=3B >=3B 136 and top-band. There are times of the day when= the fading can be
>=3B vicious
>=3B >=3B at relatively short r= ange Also with the shorter wavelength most antenna
>=3B >=3B height= limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at 136kHz
>=3B= >=3B
>=3B >=3B Enjoy the new "playground" :-))
>=3B >=3B<= br>>=3B >=3B Alan G3NYK
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B ----- Origina= l Message -----
>=3B >=3B From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" <=3BStefan.Scha= efer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=3B
>=3B >=3B To: <=3Brsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org>=3B
>=3B >=3B Sent: Sunday=2C June 17=2C 2012 3:03 P= M
>=3B >=3B Subject: LF: Further MF impressions
>=3B >=3B
= >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B MF=2C
>=3B >=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B >=3B I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I tho= ught the xtal
>=3B >=3B >=3B does not start to oscillate due to th= e higher ambient temperatures in
>=3B the
>=3B >=3B >=3B afte= rnoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly
>= =3B >=3B >=3B lower than in the evening=2C at least 20 dB. So now i see= that the band
>=3B >=3B >=3B noise is about 5 dB above my soundca= rd noise with the current setup.
>=3B >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B &= gt=3B What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the<= br>>=3B >=3B >=3B afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF?<= br>>=3B >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B BTW thanks to DF6NM for the= grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in
>=3B >=3B >=3B these= first days...
>=3B >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B 73=2C Stefan= /DK7FC
>=3B >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B =
>=3B
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham Andy F6NCI North Paris is looking for my transmission and I commented to him it would probably happen as the terminator crossed Paris giving a grey line all the way. But who knows most signals ar pretty much the same no rise in signals in the last half hour. Off sets are in Options - EXTIO Options - Frequency Options Don't use the offset in EXTIO Device panel! The off set will probably hold across the ham band like 2m but never checked any where else but there is no reason why not. Small price to pay.... :-) The one Watt is making it to PA land over a sea path 213m F6nci is 259m over mainly a land path so may just do it tonight but will close in about an hours time. That PIC keyer is doing really well the 2n7000s are keying the valve rig cathode via a relay. Was worried about spikes but survived so far!!! If Mal is reading this the SSB band used to be in the middle of the old 2ms (145.200?) and we were all peed when yet again, arbitrarily we had to shift down to the bottom end....... anyway it wasn't all tuning high to low because if you remember it was divided up into regions so we knew where to listen and most people knew where every body was and kept a list of band users favourite xtals. Seem to think we used to have more qsos with F,ON,PA and OZ on in those days. Must have had high High Pressure zones in those days....... Global Warming??? Well closing down in 15 or 20mins. [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.210 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f64a6c8ea7591cecbecc6db95ffdd328 Subject: Re: LF: Calibration procedure for HDSDR & TV vhf/uhf Dongle ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-1381502315-1340834149=:92462" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425976416:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m012.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94feb81ba2dd1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-1381502315-1340834149=:92462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham=0A=A0=0AAndy F6NCI North Paris is looking for my transmission and= I commented to him it would probably happen as the terminator crossed Pari= s giving a grey line all the way. But who knows most signals ar pretty much= the same no rise in signals in the last half hour.=0A=A0=0AOff sets are in= Options - EXTIO Options - Frequency Options............ Don't use the offs= et in EXTIO Device panel!=0AThe off set will probably hold across the ham b= and like 2m but never checked any where else but there is no reason why not= . Small price to pay.... :-)=0A=A0=0AThe one Watt is making it to PA land o= ver a=A0sea path 213m F6nci is 259m over mainly a land path so may just do = it tonight but will close in about an hours time.=0A=A0=0AThat PIC keyer is= doing really well the 2n7000s are keying the valve rig cathode via a relay= . Was worried about spikes but survived so far!!!=0A=A0=0AIf Mal is reading= this the SSB band used to be in the middle of the old 2ms (145.200?)=A0and= we were all peed when yet again, arbitrarily we had to shift down to=A0the= bottom end....... anyway it wasn't all tuning high to low because if you r= emember it was divided up into regions so we knew where to listen and most = people knew where every body was and kept a list of band users favourite xt= als. Seem to think we used to have more qsos with F,ON,PA and OZ on in thos= e days. Must have had high High Pressure zones=A0in those days.......=A0 Gl= obal Warming???=0A=A0=0AWell closing down in 15 or 20mins.=0A=0A73 es GL Pe= te M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Wednesd= ay, 27 June 2012, 20:37=0ASubject: LF: Calibration procedure for HDSDR & = TV vhf/uhf Dongle ??=0A =0A=0ACalibration procedure=A0 for=A0 HDSDR &= =A0=A0 TV=A0 =0Avhf/uhf=A0 Dongle ??=0ASet-up=A0 is=A0 running=A0 fine=A0 w= ith =0Athe up-dated=A0 eK4=A0 driver. =0A=0AFrequency off set on 145 MHz is= round=A0 6Khz =0A=0AQ Is there a=A0 calibration procedure to=A0 null out = this=A0 =0Aoff=A0 set?? =0A=0AI see=A0 there is a=A0 correction window in= =A0 HDSDR , but=A0 =0Ais this=A0 correction=A0 going=A0 to=A0 hold over the= tuning=A0 =0Arange ? =0A=0ATnx -G.. ---1613889061-1381502315-1340834149=:92462 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham
 = ;
Andy F6NCI North = Paris is looking for my transmission and I commented to him it would probab= ly happen as the terminator crossed Paris giving a grey line all the way. B= ut who knows most signals ar = pretty much the same no rise in signals in the last half hour.
&n= bsp;
Off sets are in Options - EXTIO Options - Frequency Options............ Don't use the off= set in EXTIO Device panel!
The off set will probably hold across the ham band like 2m but neve= r checked any where else but there is no reason why not. Small price to pay= .... :-)
 
The one Watt is making it to PA land ov= er a sea path 213m F6nci i= s 259m over mainly a land path so may just do it tonight but will close in = about an hours time.
 
That PIC keyer is doing really well the 2n7000s are keyi= ng the valve rig cathode via a relay. Was worried about spikes but survived= so far!!!
 
If Mal is reading this the SSB band used to be in the middle of = the old 2ms (145.200?) and we were all peed when yet again, arbitrarily we had to shift down to&nbs= p;the bottom end....... anyway it wasn't all tuning high to low because if = you remember it was divided up into regions so we knew where to listen and = most people knew where every body was and kept a list of band users favouri= te xtals. Seem to think we us= ed to have more qsos with F,ON,PA and OZ on = in those days. Must have had high High Pressure zones in those days...= ....  Global Warming???
 
Well closing down i= n 15 or 20mins.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham = <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
T= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Se= nt: Wednesday, 27 June 2012, 20:37
Subject: LF: Calibration procedure for HDSDR & TV vhf/uhf Dongle ??

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Calibration procedure  for  HDSDR &   TV = =0Avhf/uhf  Dongle ??<= br>Set-up  is  running  fine  with =0Athe up-dated = ; eK4  driver.
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Frequency off set on 145 MHz is round  6Khz
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=0A=
Q Is there a  calibration procedure to  null out this  = =0Aoff  set??
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I see  there is a&= nbsp; correction window in  HD= SDR , but  =0Ais this  correction  going  to&nbs= p; hold over the tuning  =0Arange ?
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---1613889061-1381502315-1340834149=:92462-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 472603800008A; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 08:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbAB8-00079Y-Tu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:45:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbAB8-00079P-EE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:45:06 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbAB5-0001Fc-Qb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:45:05 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Jun 2012 12:45:02 -0000 Received: from p4FEDADD9.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [79.237.173.217] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 14:45:02 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+rn6QgBbOre3hHQN7fT4Bxoun4Z5kWeZ9yHjjHMJ EXxCKcCEALDp58 Message-ID: <005301cd4186$b18cf300$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><4FCB4FAE.5070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:44:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: >Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about Roger, I fully agree with you and I am convinced that John has taken the right decision. As to the old reflector: Peace to its soul. Actually it would seem typically German to rehash arguments ad infinitum but nothing changes. The change has been made,"fertig". [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.23 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 54c274b8b0f8da777e8f702c98fe24ad Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4197.71B029D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:480999328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad04fcb5c82571a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4197.71B029D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about Roger, I fully agree with you and I am convinced that John has taken the right decision. As to the old reflector: Peace to its soul. Actually it would seem typically German to rehash arguments ad infinitum but nothing changes. The change has been made,"fertig". 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Stefan, Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about. Everything this reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be achieved with the new Yahoo Group. Please, support it. 73s Roger G3XBM On 3 June 2012 12:51, Stefan Schfer wrote: -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5042 - Ausgabedatum: 03.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4197.71B029D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about
 
Roger,
 
I fully agree with you and I am = convinced that John=20 has
taken the right decision.
As to the old reflector:
Peace to its soul.
Actually it would = seem typically German=20 to rehash arguments ad infinitum
but nothing changes.
The change has been = made,"fertig".
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

Stefan,

Sorry but I just can't see what all the = fuss is=20 about. Everything this reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be = achieved with=20 the new Yahoo Group.

Please, support it.

73s
Roger=20 G3XBM

On 3 June 2012 12:51, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> = wrote:





--=20
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version: 2012.0.2178=20 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5042 - Ausgabedatum: 03.06.2012=20

------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4197.71B029D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6A7E3380000F5; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbbgx-0006Z6-E2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:07:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbbgw-0006Yx-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:07:46 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbbgu-0007zA-9R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:07:45 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFAFX5zE9cF/ub/2dsb2JhbABFhU6ZBgOVVoEIghMFAQEFCAEBAxYzAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQoDCRUCAhQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAQ2HXwMPpECISg2JTooxYBqCVIIQgRIDjT2SWYR7gmCBX4E+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,714,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="388281464" Received: from host-92-23-251-155.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.251.155]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 19:07:31 +0100 Message-ID: <015501cd427c$e8309b90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <724246DE-DF76-46E2-84A3-1580A566C9E5@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:07:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: You are at it again dictating to me to cool it!!! because you do not like my constructive observations. Do not apply for the moderator vacancy or yahoo could go up in smoke g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e2b7e65dcf7cf6551ab81105a525fe0f Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0152_01CD427C.E7F4F220" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:503978112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914fccf9b05366 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0152_01CD427C.E7F4F220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are at it again dictating to me to cool it!!! because you do not = like my constructive observations.=20 Do not apply for the moderator vacancy or yahoo could go up in smoke g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Dear Stefan, If you visit the group website the poll button is on the left. Press = it, vote and leave thereafter. But I am still puzzled why you really = have such an aversion to Yahoo Groups which thousands of hams have used = happily and freely for years. They are a GOOD resource.=20 Dear Mal, This all started as a simple suggestion of mine: Yahoo Groups offer = everything this reflector has (speed,email flash messages etc) and so = yet much more too. I had NO wish to create a problem, especially with = good people like Stefan who I greatly respect. I have never sought = conflict and certainly my views on moderation have been totally = misrepresented. Please, can we cool it? John (G3WKL),=20 I am rapidly losing the will to live :-) . Like me, you have only been = trying to do the best for LFers, including finding new ways to share = knowledge and data with newcomers. I am so sorry this has become so = contentious.=20 73s Roger=20 -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 16:03, John Gould = wrote: Stefan, I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo = account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and = that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised = by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =20 I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll = on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =20 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = wrote: Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a = yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging = the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts = that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to = codeterminate in this process. My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group = compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, = where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting period ends. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0152_01CD427C.E7F4F220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
You are at it again dictating to me to cool = it!!! because=20 you do not like my constructive observations.
Do not apply for the moderator vacancy or yahoo = could go=20 up in smoke
g3kev
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black = Sheep

Dear Stefan,
If you visit the group website the poll button is on the left. = Press it,=20 vote and leave thereafter. But I am still puzzled why you really have = such an=20 aversion to Yahoo Groups which thousands of hams have used happily and = freely=20 for years. They are a GOOD resource. 

Dear Mal,
This all started as a simple suggestion of mine: Yahoo Groups = offer=20 everything this reflector has (speed,email flash messages etc) and so = yet much=20 more too.  I had NO wish to create a problem, especially with = good people=20 like Stefan who I greatly respect. I have never sought conflict and = certainly=20 my views on moderation have been totally misrepresented. Please, can = we cool=20 it?

John (G3WKL), 
I am rapidly losing the will to live :-) . Like me, you have only = been=20 trying to do the best for LFers, including finding new ways to share = knowledge=20 and data with newcomers. I am so sorry this has become so=20 contentious. 

73s
Roger 

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 16:03, John Gould <johngould88@googlemail.com= >=20 wrote:

Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a = yahoo=20 account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail = account and=20 that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your=20 Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised = by one=20 of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a = poll on=20 the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted.=20  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> = wrote:
Hi=20 Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but = without=20 having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation = is=20 advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind = for=20 such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who = want to=20 codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep = and i=20 would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups = are not=20 treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will = be shut=20 down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 = 13:15,=20 schrieb Clive Lorton:
If=20 you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting=20 period ends.
 =20 =


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h= ttp://kl7uk.com

= --_7082920a-df6b-43eb-b3a8-10fb967e6c19_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AEF76380001A2; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh6fe-0006iV-4H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:13:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh6fd-0006iB-Ms for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:13:09 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh6fb-0006lE-Od for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:13:08 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5JMD6cR023661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:13:07 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5JMD5RW028822 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:13:06 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:11:19 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5JMD6cR023661 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sorry Rik, i heared (probably) you calling me but i didn't catch your call. PA3ABK was reasonable strong. The QSB, yes.. So maybe next time.. Another question: Those of you who have a wideband RX (SDR for example), which SDR software do you use to surf over the band? There is one from I2PHD and i saw another one that is based on Linux. Recommendations please. I would like to download one tonite and don't know the program with the best features. SpecLab is a bit uncomfortable if the rx frequency of the filter should be changed continuously... [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW ... SDR programs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:457605504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fe0f99e5601 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Sorry Rik, i heared (probably) you calling me but i didn't catch your=20 call. PA3ABK was reasonable strong. The QSB, yes.. So maybe next time.. Another question: Those of you who have a wideband RX (SDR for example),=20 which SDR software do you use to surf over the band? There is one from=20 I2PHD and i saw another one that is based on Linux. Recommendations=20 please. I would like to download one tonite and don't know the program=20 with the best features. SpecLab is a bit uncomfortable if the rx frequency of the filter should=20 be changed continuously... 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > actually 501.2kHz. > Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. > You are 579 with the usual QSB. > I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared = ERP abt 1W. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] > Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW > > Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse > Jan/pa3abk > > On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > =20 >> just in case someone wants... >> I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> >> =20 > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0927238000082; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeaHS-0001Hx-HS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:13:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeaHS-0001Ho-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:13:46 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeaHQ-0001Ec-35 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:13:45 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5CNDhXE016185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:13:43 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5CNDgCP018062 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:13:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD7CCC5.1010106@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:12:05 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Laurence, I think you will be happy to come back to your family again. Congrats! Any new big projects on LF in AK now as you'll have more time? Thanks for the efforts you've done to receive me in Oklahoma / EM16TS on December, 12th 2011, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC.jpg [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: cd16d8c2fb75309db133b7de4adb1391 Subject: Re: LF: KL1X/5 KL7UK/5 QRT and QSY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080701000101090408080600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494895872:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fd7cd606b28 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080701000101090408080600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Laurence, I think you will be happy to come back to your family again. Congrats! Any new big projects on LF in AK now as you'll have more time? Thanks for the efforts you've done to receive me in Oklahoma / EM16TS on December, 12th 2011, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC.jpg 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 13.06.2012 01:02, schrieb Laurence KL7UK: > > Chaps - the time has come to exit Oklahoma stage right and am > returning to work/live in Alaska with occasional sojourns to Northern > Alberta. > > KL1X/5 (aka KL7UK/5) Bartlesville OK will be closing down likely this > evening. > > Thanks for the fish > > Laurence "Flo" KL7UK > http://kl7uk.com > --------------080701000101090408080600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Laurence,

I think you will be happy to come back to your family again. Congrats!
Any new big projects on LF in AK now as you'll have more time?
Thanks for the efforts you've done to receive me in Oklahoma / EM16TS on December, 12th 2011, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC.jpg

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 13.06.2012 01:02, schrieb Laurence KL7UK:

Chaps - the time has come to exit Oklahoma stage right and am returning to work/live in Alaska with occasional sojourns to Northern Alberta.

KL1X/5 (aka KL7UK/5) Bartlesville OK  will be closing down likely this evening.

Thanks for the fish

Laurence "Flo" KL7UK

--------------080701000101090408080600-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 13EEB380000B6; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 04:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSFm-0000rR-L6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:03:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSFm-0000rI-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:03:06 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbSFj-0005Il-Va for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:03:04 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhAFAI1rzE9cF/bI/2dsb2JhbABFnlOVUIEIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfrYdixEghXADjT2QfoZWgmCBVw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,711,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="540258771" Received: from host-92-23-246-200.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.200]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 09:03:02 +0100 Message-ID: <002701cd4228$764d60c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:03:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I prefer any information of interest to me to be stored on my computer and not some central storage outside my control. The advantage of individual storage is that not all the eggs are in one basket in the event of a major crash, virus infections etc at central storage. I prefer individuality and self control and not being dictated to by others. I have read recently where some organisations are encouraging individuals to use their computers as terminals and store all their personal information at a central location. In my opinion this is not the way to proceed. Think of the disadvantages, NO CONTACT AVAILABLE because of cable faults, crash at storage centre , maintainence, virus infection etc With your own storage you have immediate access at all times without third party interference. Some individuals would believe anything and follow like sheep. g3kev . [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b2000330e4064ca60a9f57e731b892da Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD4228.75E21BD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:401477408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fcc6bf04baf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD4228.75E21BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I prefer any information of interest to me to be stored on my computer = and not some central storage outside my control. The advantage of individual storage is that not all the eggs are in one = basket in the event of a major crash, virus infections etc at central = storage.=20 I prefer individuality and self control and not being dictated to by = others. I have read recently where some organisations are encouraging = individuals to use their computers as terminals and store all their = personal information at a central location. In my opinion this is not = the way to proceed. Think of the disadvantages, NO CONTACT AVAILABLE = because of cable faults, crash at storage centre , maintainence, virus = infection etc With your own storage you have immediate access at all times without = third party interference. Some individuals would believe anything and follow like sheep. g3kev . =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alberto di Bene=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:43 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep On 6/3/2012 7:30 PM, pws wrote:=20 I'm running Beagle on Gnome for indexing and search for any kind of information stored locally. Postings, images and other "information" which are "Googleable" or "Yapooable" will be more a problem than a feature in the future. There's only one advantage using those modern, advertisement driven open systems. You always have to keep in mind: "don't post when coming from pub." So, please tell me what is "outdated" here? What is outdated is the fact that to use your technique of finding = relevant contents, one would be forced to store everything locally.... then of course any = decent tool like Google Desktop can index and find what one is interested in. IMHO, it is much more intelligent and rationale to have a central = repository, where everything is archived, instead of duplicating on each user PC all the = past messages of the group. 73 Alberto I2PHD ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD4228.75E21BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I prefer any information of interest to me to be = stored on=20 my computer and not some central storage outside my = control.
The advantage of individual storage is that not = all the=20 eggs are in one basket in the event of a major crash, virus infections = etc at=20 central storage.
I prefer individuality and self control = and not being=20 dictated to by others. I have read recently where = some organisations=20 are encouraging individuals to use their computers as terminals and = store all=20 their personal information at a central location. In my opinion = this is not=20 the way to proceed. Think of the disadvantages, NO CONTACT = AVAILABLE=20 because of cable faults, crash at storage centre , = maintainence, virus=20 infection etc
With your own storage you have immediate access = at all=20 times without third party interference.
Some individuals would believe anything and = follow like=20 sheep.
g3kev
.  
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alberto di = Bene=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: = [rsgb_lf_group]=20 Getting rid of Black Sheep

On 6/3/2012 7:30 PM, pws wrote:=20 
I'm running Beagle on Gnome for indexing =
and search for any kind of
information stored locally.

Postings, images and other "information" which are "Googleable"
or "Yapooable" will be more a problem than a feature in the
future.

There's only one advantage using those modern, advertisement
driven open systems. You always have to keep in mind:
"don't post when coming from pub."

So, please tell me what is "outdated" here?
What is outdated is the fact that to use your technique = of finding=20 relevant contents,
one would be forced to store everything = locally.... then=20 of course any decent tool
like Google Desktop can index and find = what one=20 is interested in.

IMHO, it is much more intelligent and = rationale to=20 have a central repository, where
everything is archived, instead of = duplicating on each user PC all the past messages of
the=20 group.

73  Alberto =20 I2PHD

Horst
One way forward is to become a class A licencee or= =20 alternatively upgrade the class E licence to class A
This is what they did in the UK. They upgraded cla= ss B to=20 class A as easy as that !! When you call an ex class B on cw he does not rep= ly=20 because he never learned morse code. There are so many different licences in= the=20 UK at present that I have lost track.
It is a free for all now --- all good fun --- no P= irates=20 any more, so easy to get a permit.
 
 
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:54= =20 AM
Subject: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocat= ion to=20 German Hams

Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full=20 implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNet= zA.=20 What was the maximum power in WRC2012?
The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really?
The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class E.= =20 Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. 9W ER= P.=20 Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. As HAM w= ith=20 class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing.
It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with on= e=20 Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now BNetzA)= =20 remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with ever= y=20 kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: >250= THz=20 ist still allocated to class A AND E HAMs.
Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the=20 club!
Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN)

Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Ju= ni=20 2012 um 13:57 Uhr
Von: DK1IS=20 <DK1IS@kabelmail.de>
An: rsgb_lf_gro= up@yahoogroups.co.uk,=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg
Betreff: LF: Text of MF-Allocation=20 to German Hams
Dear group,

to whom it may concern: en= closed=20 please find the official text of the
MF-allocation in Germany which I=C2= =B4ve=20 got today via email from our
authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur"=20= (BNetzA).

73 and cul on MF!

Tom, DK1IS
JN59WK


  

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(VPS 120625-1, 25/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? No not HELL Scriber ! Its the audio band version of the Op beacon , best decode level is -50dB ( approx -55 dB wspr levels ) sends the full call sign , with the usual upto 50% data loss [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 18c0ce4cbca80559a8b22b14cd653174 Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494787904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574fe8f3f6282c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? No not HELL Scriber ! Its the audio band version of the Op beacon , best decode level is -50dB ( approx -55 dB wspr levels ) sends the full call sign , with the usual upto 50% data loss Based on the times 9K stations TX , the cycle is 4 Hours ....... the long mark/space also shows on Spec-lab so RX can be by 'detection' or 'Decode' G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:11 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > Yes, in any way it would be nice again to put some focus on VLF. It's a > long time ago i regularly monitored my own VLF grabber > (http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html). > > Looks like SAQ has tuned up today for a time arround 10 UTC. The Alphas > are OFF again and the noise is maybe 10 dB higher than in winther, as a > maximum. I do not change the brightness between summer and winther. > > Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? > > How long does it take to get a full decode in that mode and what is the > content of the decoded message? If 4 H means 4 hours and the content is a > full callsign and locator (about like in WOLF) then maybe it can be > compared with DFCW-120? If so, i guess the range of a 1 mW ERP station > will be below 100 km, if conds are good (i.e. no QRN and during the gap in > the morning which is arround 8...11 UTC) and the RX is is typical. > > We know that no digimode can do miracles. However we often saw stations > just transmitting a few dashes. If these dashes will satisfy all, it would > be fine. > > Due to other projects (ah, i remember, it was the LF DX to VK times) i > stopped the local VLF experiments with the LOPT transformer. Also is > showed me that there is no real alternative to an air coil if a serious > ERP is goal. That was clear in advance but the proof was clearer than i > thought. > > As i write these lines, a small VLF flame starts to burn again. But there > is the MF project on the table as well... > > What about all the other VLF transmitting stations? We have been 7 > (OK2BVG, OE3GHB, DF6NM, G3XIZ, DJ8WX, OE5ODL, PA3CPM, DK7FC) who passed > distances above 1 Lambda. Did i forget someone? > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 26.06.2012 00:39, schrieb Graham: >> Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of the >> UK as well ! >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Stefan Schfer" >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >> >>> Mal, >>> >>> Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: >>>> Stefan >>>> This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the >>>> Dreamers band. >>> Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due to >>> your higher antenna C and mains availability. >>> You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. >>> >>>> I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with >>>> other >>>> persuits at present. >>>> >>> Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large >>> tube. 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul >>> Nicholsons grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very helpful >>> for the first tests! >>> >>> 73, Stefan >>> >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Stefan Schfer" >>>> To: >>>> Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM >>>> Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> VLF, >>>>> >>>>> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >>>>> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >>>>> Darmstadt, http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html >>>>> run >>>>> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >>>>> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >>>>> earthquake precursors. >>>>> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced him >>>>> to >>>>> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He >>>>> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU >>>>> resources >>>>> for that at the moment though. >>>>> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >>>>> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it >>>>> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even >>>>> in summer. >>>>> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF >>>>> event. >>>>> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June >>>>> 2012 >>>>> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to extend >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5B7693800008A; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sj9DJ-0000pm-1c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:20:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sj9DI-0000pd-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:20:20 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sj9DC-0006pG-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:20:19 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5PDK7qt006611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:20:10 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5PDK6ge025321; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:20:07 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:18:16 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: Paul , Christoph Maurer X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: VLF, It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of Darmstadt, http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some earthquake precursors. I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced him to share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU resources for that at the moment though. The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even in summer. If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF event. BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June 2012 :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to extend it. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7aa9ad08848e488e22e0ff1d71f4ef1d Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438177312:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fe865ed7d99 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none VLF, It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of Darmstadt, http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some earthquake precursors. I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced him to share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU resources for that at the moment though. The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even in summer. If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF event. BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June 2012 :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to extend it. 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8524338000082; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgkES-0001a2-1L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:15:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgkER-0001Zt-KS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:15:35 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgkEP-0007Ny-RC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:15:34 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5IMFWQm031887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:15:33 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5IMFX9t006189 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:15:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDFA81D.3050104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:13:49 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB10AA@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB10AA@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5IMFWQm031887 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Rik, How accurate is your grabber QRG? Am i really 20 Hz off the QRG with the DDS VFO here? 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: Re: LF: 475kHz grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450050720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fdfa8b92a18 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Rik, How accurate is your grabber QRG? Am i really 20 Hz off the QRG with the=20 DDS VFO here? 73, Stefan Am 18.06.2012 20:02, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > On request of Marco, DD7PC, I am running a grabber on 475kHz (474.95-47= 5.05): > http://www.strobbe.eu/argo/ > The grabber may be interrupted for a QSO. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2012 16:03 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: Further MF impressions > > MF, > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in > the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is > significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see > that the band noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the > current setup. > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience i= n > these first days... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DD63C380000B6; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 12:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbaa7-0005mj-Ki for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:56:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbaa6-0005ma-UF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:56:38 +0100 Received: from mail-ee0-f43.google.com ([74.125.83.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbaZy-0007hu-RW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:56:37 +0100 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50so2464768eek.16 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:56:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=6rrCCZ6NSco9nV+f02fLT0VF3PIsikZ6xVR31At6Oqw=; b=TXeu1AKxIfG9x1pXgIhhrC5mkU+geLfBVwqXjN9TRUi+AB9XbfLN+Y/rcbqsUXKp5/ 778hT4FAK7/XyL2tm+cXInYMBjO7uLghJWwdY/ZxPk4sY7JasO4MEzI/B9NeVWvQxoI5 Gw58HxxjlmxangxqyqAtySAolkGclWGVQd3PxKZ4zGkjfGNKxoRsvkm/MAOLMmWYhdsU hckIciexeCZWLyVGm4wQ1y/gkzmsie2yt+RTb6Jw1va95w+8mFoFg+BDFpCrCxCIRkhu A44boNxA+NtLjwRB5zjAV3iLuSTDrBoSI3Zb2Cc6QVZj+GV8r+Ad3q0vQI5z2YvSiESH z6cg== Received: by 10.14.119.134 with SMTP id n6mr6092406eeh.0.1338828988888; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stbryant-mac2.lan (dyn45-155.adsl.bogons.net. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I think that you may need an a/c on yahoo to use all the features, but you do not need to direct the list email there. I have all my yahoo lists directed to this a/c then my mail client automatically filters the email direct to folders, I and then scan the folders for interesting post at some convenient time. You can have each yahoo list directed to a separate email address if that is your preference. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.83.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: ce0e5a4ae990e5a63db3ab7aea21191b Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464265600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d280.1 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4fcce90e5034 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I think that you may need an a/c on yahoo to use all the features, but you do not need to direct the list email there. I have all my yahoo lists directed to this a/c then my mail client automatically filters the email direct to folders, I and then scan the folders for interesting post at some convenient time. You can have each yahoo list directed to a separate email address if that is your preference. 73 Stewart/G3YSX On 04/06/2012 16:03, John Gould wrote: > Stefan, > > I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo > account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and > that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with > your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised > by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. > > I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on > the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Schfer > > wrote: > > Hi Clive, LF, > > For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a > yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is > advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind > for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who > want to codeterminate in this process. > > My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group > compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like > competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down > after some time. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: > > If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the > voting period ends. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C4BAD380000BF; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShT2q-0004x8-V4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:06:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShT2q-0004wz-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:06:36 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShT2n-0006un-SD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:06:35 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC252ACE6D; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:30 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 657qFTwgC1120M01; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:28 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.1] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID718qFTwgC4046X01; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:28 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.1 IN dibene@usa.net imap01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID718qFTwgC4046X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.8.95] by imap01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 298qFTwgb1632M21; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:27 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.8.95 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FE2495D.4090509@usa.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:06:21 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Go to this page : http://www.rtlsdr.com/2012/04/getting-started-with-rtl-sdr-dongle/ [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.31 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080908020905060102020806" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:407614592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4fe249ad0029 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080908020905060102020806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/20/2012 11:31 PM, Markus Vester wrote: > But as I have zero Linux background, is there a way to run something like RTL-SDR under Windows? Go to this page : http://www.rtlsdr.com/2012/04/getting-started-with-rtl-sdr-dongle/ 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------080908020905060102020806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 6/20/2012 11:31 PM, Markus Vester wrote:
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--------------080908020905060102020806-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0891238000104; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuT3-0001pd-03 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:47:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuT2-0001pU-GQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:47:44 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjuT0-0005eA-6a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:47:43 +0100 Received: from shack5a65be54f (unknown [83.153.241.20]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD1E4C817F for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:47:36 +0200 (CEST) From: "Andre Guye1" To: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:47:35 +0200 Message-ID: <00482E7CA1B947A28737AA21D6E409D4@shack5a65be54f> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Ac1UeQZ5lfiCxcJPSPa92bI4tOszLQAAsU8g In-Reply-To: <4CBF3FCDC1074B55ADDA1EDC1E7F43EF@AGB> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120627-0, 27/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes Graham, and after listening again at the valves Pete sound I am sure that is drums.... F6CNI Andy. -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] De la part de Graham Envoyé : mercredi 27 juin 2012 17:24 À : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Objet : Re: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.27.42.4 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 CTYPE_001C_B CTYPE_001C_B 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e51657317b06d9cbe905ec682fad6602 Subject: RE : LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01CD548C.F075A990" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:475211776:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4feb2b581d26 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CD548C.F075A990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Graham, and after listening again at the valves Pete sound I am sure that is drums....=20 =20 F6CNI Andy. -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] De la part de Graham Envoy=E9 : mercredi 27 juin 2012 17:24 =C0 : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Objet : Re: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight VALVES give better sound , just the thing for playing OPERA = on=20 =20 G.. From: M0FMT =20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Hi all Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera keyer design and = software with HEX code. It works a treat. It has been keying a test oscillator for a day now. Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output 500kc/s 6CL6 valve TX on into a LW 35ft up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting 500kc/s USB. Don=92t laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the past. 73 Pete M0FMT IO91UX --- Antivirus avast! : message Sortant sain. Base de donnees virale (VPS) : 120627-0, 27/06/2012 Analyse le : 27/06/2012 17:47:37 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CD548C.F075A990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Yes=20 Graham, and after listening again at the valves Pete sound I am sure = that=20 is drums....
 
F6CNI Andy.
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De :=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 De la part de Graham
Envoy=E9 : mercredi 27 juin = 2012=20 17:24
=C0 : = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Objet : Re:=20 LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight

VALVES    give  better sound , just   = the =20 thing  for  playing  OPERA  on
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM
Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST = tonight

Hi all
Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera = keyer design=20 and software with HEX code.
 It works a = treat.  It has been keying a test = oscillator for=20 a day now.
Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output =  500kc/s 6CL6 valve TX on into a = LW 35ft=20 up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting 500kc/s=20 USB.
Don’t laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the = past.
73 Pete M0FMT  IO91UX


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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CD548C.F075A990-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DAE9F38000091; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 03:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbRLa-0000KZ-2n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:05:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbRLZ-0000KQ-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:05:01 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbRLX-00056j-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:05:00 +0100 Received: from unknown-00-26-08-f6-6f-9b.home (host86-165-130-31.range86-165.btcentralplus.com [86.165.130.31]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MBX6o-1SjiYG3iVC-00A0tU; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:04:53 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Clive Lorton In-Reply-To: <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:04:48 +0100 Message-Id: <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:grr/VjahErlG8ViRa7QoezD18LMo9kpqZ+v9+dW+CbC ZZrbiFGH5zsNe4WIXqTBIjFxfSGWXLsSE1PFoOMWlM7/C8M0dO AovR3WCqC+4rYo89Jz8JCy+nABXtocgQSYhoVbg0RDxEMrkMnG 7iFD1FkzUw12s4+YCkOlHUtHXEjM3JGuYkJPwogSrclBrzce5K VWNbyxru80/iU3xEUiMv4fLliVxO0xZLmrnikmyRuJOOIlRNkt IbJSj/u6LncEL6XmWWPgM9/TNQLQmq5il5PRzn0w0IIekFPQTH X7BVAvUxJ29cf9p/ldZXSYTExs0SECgZTcdGfFMBCticKOCZim LrS5mF/2SPBWSeNd8g6kCNviOQ2sCLvH4QTXF0Q4SAA8hJ2IRl 462mug7WoZja2/DH26/BRe2YLZtalJ27XFlCumOQoXB34YaJ0X FuIIm X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Gentlemen, I’m beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. Blacksheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo for technical discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be archived and design/construction projects can make full use of the search function and files section of Yahoo. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: aee9e5eeb35c86f052d502ac97832558 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:240635392:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4fcc5e7460f1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Gentlemen, I=92m beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. = Blacksheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo = for technical discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be = archived and design/construction projects can make full use of the = search function and files section of Yahoo. Just my two pence worth=85=85.. Clive g8poc= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ECE0238000094; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfygr-00006f-5v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:29:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfygq-00006W-Je for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:29:44 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfygo-0003SW-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:29:43 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P7Vh1j00B4U6hVe037VhDV; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:29:41 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: Cc: "Gary - G4WGT" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:29:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-1, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The ROS-MF 2/7 is a 100 Hz b/w MFSK transmission , and would fit into the top 200 Hz of the 477 band , with 50 Hz guard band , Opera / Band edge ? ROS MF Data mode is 100 Hz wide and based round 1500 Hz (Fixed) Audio frequency , MF-7 and MF-2 share the same 1500 Hz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 11963a33d604c33786d8f1de94ce267f Subject: LF: ROS MF Data mode QRG 477.400 ? usb-dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014F_01CD4BFE.C21317E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:244939152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fdcdee136a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01CD4BFE.C21317E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The ROS-MF 2/7 is a 100 Hz b/w MFSK transmission , and would = fit into the top 200 Hz of the 477 band , with 50 Hz guard = band , Opera / Band edge ? ROS MF Data mode is 100 Hz wide and based round 1500 Hz = (Fixed) Audio frequency , MF-7 and MF-2 share the same 1500 Hz=20 ROS data mode requires a conventional SSB tx / exciter (USB) = to translate the Tx drive audio , or can be used with a SDR = Tx=20 ROS MF-2 decodes at approx the same level as WSPR and is a = full live keyboard qso mode , MF-7 is approx 7 dB less sensitive = , but gives live qso mode , approx 14 dB lower s/n than psk31 at = similar data rate . >> = http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/the-blue-ribbon-fastest-live-dat= a-to-cross-the-atlantic/ Note the Opera and Ros s/n readings are calibrated to the = sim-path propagation modelling software and are approx 6 / 7 = dB less than wspr or fldigi=20 Each system reports the Average s/n of the complete = transmission=20 73 -G.. ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01CD4BFE.C21317E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The ROS-MF 2/7 is  a   100=20 Hz  b/w   MFSK  transmission &nbs= p; ,=20 and  would  fit  into the  top  200 Hz of = the =20 477  band  , with   50 Hz  guard  = band  ,=20 Opera /  Band edge ?
 
ROS  MF  Data  mode  is  100 = Hz  =20 wide  and  based  round    1500 Hz =20 (Fixed)  Audio  frequency , MF-7  and  = MF-2  =20 share the  same   1500 Hz
 
ROS   data  mode  requires a  = conventional  =20 SSB    tx  / exciter  (USB)  to  = translate=20 the  Tx  drive  audio  , or  can be  = used =20 with a  SDR  Tx
 
ROS  MF-2   decodes  at approx  the =20 same  level  as  WSPR and is a  full  live=20 keyboard  qso  mode  , MF-7 is  approx   7 = dB=20 less  sensitive , but  gives live  qso mode  ,=20 approx   14 dB  lower s/n  than  psk31 at = similar =20 data  rate .
 
 >>  http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2011/02/1= 4/the-blue-ribbon-fastest-live-data-to-cross-the-atlantic/
 
Note the  Opera and Ros   s/n   = readings =20 are  calibrated to the  sim-path   propagation  = modelling   software  and  are =20 approx    6 / 7  dB  less  than  wspr = or  fldigi
 
Each  system  reports  the  Average   = s/n   of the  complete   transmission
 
73 -G..
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan  I like this and would like to make to make it. I so far have tracked down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many construction projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no chance of that I suppose?  There will be those who tell me its easy to get the bits but unless you work for a company that uses this stuff it can not be slipped through the "Purchasing" it becomes a positive stop!! Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min orders and it said it had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En? Hmm it's plaited ? Wima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in depth but they usually are.  I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. by four.  Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more.  I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK source) may be they could publish it?  And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is new and worth while thanks! 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I so fa= r have tracked down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many const= ruction projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ = no chance of that I suppose?=0A=C2=A0=0AThere will be those who tell me its= easy to get the bits=C2=A0but unless you work for a company that uses this= stuff it can not be slipped through the "Purchasing"=C2=A0it becomes a pos= itive stop!! =0ALike the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits wit= h min orders and it said it had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly= collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min ord= er either double wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En?=C2=A0 Hmm it= 's plaited ?=0AWima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in depth= but they usually are.=0A=C2=A0=0AI like the idea of using a DDS or Transce= iver as a master osc source div. by four.=0A=C2=A0=0AGenerally=C2=A0I buy m= y power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap= !! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the width... principle)= =C2=A0and the drivers TC range for slightly more.=0A=C2=A0=0AI'll keep sear= ching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK source) may be they co= uld publish it?=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AAnd thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is= "New" but in context it is new and worth while thanks!=0A=0A73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A________________________________=0A From: Stefan= Sch=C3=A4fer =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 16:53=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re:= RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A =0A=0AHi MF, =0A=0ALate at night, i m= ade draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/10= 0W%20475kHz%20PA.png=C2=A0 (picture=0Aof prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u= /19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG)=0A=0AMost of the part= s are not critical. =0A=0AThe ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 m= aterial. Details are=0Ain the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternative= ly and double the=0Aprimary and secondary number of turns.=0A=0AThere are m= any alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N=0Ayou may try a = IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher=0Ainput capacity. = Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts.=0ASwitching times a= re not critical. So you need to find a compromise=0Abetween low on resistan= ce and input capacity while the Drain-Source=0Avoltage should be 55V for a = 12V supply.=0A=0AInstead of RF litz wire (i use this one: http://www.reiche= lt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30 ) you c= an also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what=0Ayou have.= It just affects the efficiency, more or less.=0A=0AThe overall dimensions = of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it=0Ais quite compact and since= it runs from a 12V battery you can use it=0Afor /p tests. Also you can of = course use more than 2 power steps by=0Ausing a multi step switch and more = taps.=0A=0AA DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine sign= al=0Acoming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long a= s=0Athe peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp.=0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A=0APS: Yes= , it is nothing new and someone has done it before!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAm = 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT: =0AHi again Stefan =0A>=C2=A0 =0A>The Litz= is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@(( =0A>=0A>Do you create y= our own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could=0Abe stranded up to make a = synth? =0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>From: M0FMT mai= lto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=0A>To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org mailto:rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, 28=0AJune 2012, 10:22=0A>Subj= ect: Re: LF: Re:=0ARE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A>Hi Stefan = =0A>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/1608182= 53496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8 = =0A>Just over =C2=A35 a pop! =0A>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-M= AXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_Defau= ltDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326077 =0A>Just over =C2=A36 a pop! =0A>But what = is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=E2=80= =A6 ;0) =0A>Chees Pete FMT =0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3= =A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr=0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent= : Thursday, 28=0AJune 2012, 9:42=0A>Subject: Re: LF: Re:=0ARE: 472 kHz PA r= unning at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>Hello Stephan ,=0A>Me too =0A>73=C2=A0 , J= ean-Pierre F1AFJ=C2=A0 =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT=0Aa = =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:=0A> =0A>Hi Stephan =0A>>=0A>>Me Too=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>73 es = GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org= =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, 28=0AJune 2012, = 9:12=0A>>Subject: LF: Re: RE:=0A472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A>> =0A>>=0A= >> =0A>>like =0A>>=0A>>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>>From: Rik=0AStro= bbe =0A>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>Sent: Thursday, June 28,= 2012 6:35 AM =0A>>>Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =0A>>>=0A= >>> =0A>>>If=C2=A0someone=0Ais=C2=A0interested i=C2=A0may=C2=A0convert the = circuit=C2=A0from=C2=A0my=C2=A0mind=C2=A0into a schematic=0Aas a=C2=A0png f= ile. =0A>>>=0A>>>Always=C2=A0interested ;-) =0A>>>=0A>>>73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0= ON7YD - OR7T =0A>>=0A>> =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> ---176341844-776760311-1340908899=:62897 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi= Stefan
 
I like th= is and would like to make to make it. I so far have tracked down most bits = but as usual the Unobtainium = of so many construction projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they a= re Kits........ no chance of that I suppose?
=  
Ther= e will be those who tell me its easy to get the bits but unless you wo= rk for a company that uses this stuff it can not be slipped through the "Pu= rchasing" it becomes a positive stop!!
= Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min orders and it said it had over one hund= red thousand Litz and promptl= y collapsed. But they have one = of the toroids (T1) wow and i= ts not a min order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated= from 0.125 Cu/En?  Hmm = it's plaited ?
Wima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in depth but they u= sually are.
 
I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. by four.
 
G= enerally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P = (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the width...= principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more.<= /div>
 
I'll ke= ep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK source) may be = they could publish it? 
 
And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "Ne= w" but in context it is new and worth while thanks!
73 es GL Pete= M0FMT IO91UX
 
From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer <St= efan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 16:53
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kH= z PA running at 12 VDC
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=0AHi MF,
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=0ALate at night, i made draw the schem= atic. Here it is:=0Ahttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20P= A.png  (picture=0Aof prototype=0Ahttps://dl.drop= box.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG)
=0A=0AMost of the parts are not critical.
=0A
=0AThe ferrite cores ar= e the blue EPCOS types, N30 = material. Details are=0Ain the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternativ= ely and double the=0Aprimary and secondary number of turns.
=0A
=0ATh= ere are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZ= F48N=0Ayou may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher=0Ainput capacity. = Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts.=0ASwitching times a= re not critical. So you need to find a compromise=0Abetween low on resistan= ce and input capacity while the Drain-Source=0Avoltage should be 55V for a = 12V supply.
=0A
=0AInstead of RF litz wire (i use this one:=0Ahttp://ww= w.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30= =0A) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or wh= at=0Ayou have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less.
=0A
=0AT= he overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it=0Ais q= uite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it=0Afor /p t= ests. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by=0Ausing a multi step switch and more taps.<= br>=0A
=0AA DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine si= gnal=0Acoming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long= as=0Athe peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp.
=0A
=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC
=0A
= =0APS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before!
=0A
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=0AAm 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT:=0A
=0A =
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Hi again Stefan
=0A
 
=0A The Litz is too, only= by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@((
=0A
 
= =0A
Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could=0A= be stranded up to make a synth?
=0A

=0A 
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
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=0A
From: M0FMT=0Amailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
=0A To:=0Amailto:rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
=0A Sent:<= /b> Thursday, 28=0AJune 2012, 10:22
=0A Subject: Re: LF: Re:=0ARE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
=0A
=0A =0A
=0A
=0A =0A
Just over =C2=A36 a pop!
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But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?   =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0)
=0A
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Chees Pete FMT=0A
  = ; From: Jean-Pierre M=C3= =A9r=C3=A9=0Amailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr
=0A To:=0Arsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
=0A S= ent: Thursday, 28=0AJune 2012, 9:42
=0A Subject: Re: LF: Re:=0ARE: 472 kHz PA running = at 12 VDC
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Hello Stephan ,
=0AMe too
= =0A73  , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ 
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=0A <= div class=3D"yiv758666620moz-cite-prefix">Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT=0Aa = =C3=A9crit :
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H= i Stephan
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Me Too
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73= es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org
=0A To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0A
=0A Sent: Thursday, 28=0AJune 2012, 9:12
=0A = Subject: LF: Re: RE:=0A47= 2 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
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-----=0A=0AOriginal Message -----
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From:=0A Rik=0AStrobbe
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Sent:=0AThursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM
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Subject:=0ALF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
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<= i>If someone=0Ais interested i may convert t= he circuit from my mind into a schematic=0Aas a pn= g file.
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---176341844-776760311-1340908899=:62897-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C34EB3800008D; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbujw-0005hX-GD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:28:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbujv-0005hO-RP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:28:07 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbujt-0002cD-U2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:28:06 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhsFAM0Wzk9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFnl4DlVWBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDBA0EAQEKDBkUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPrWANiU6KM2AaglQMgxYDiA2FMJdUgmCBX4E+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="374373838" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 15:28:04 +0100 Message-ID: <00ca01cd4327$6a58ea50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008101cd4316$964358f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:28:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John I understant that but I have followed the procedures required but it keeps asking the same question over again why the delay in association with the rsgb group, which seems to be the problem. mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: c40596c1cc3306f1877076595a921c57 Subject: Re: LF: vote Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C7_01CD4327.6A21FBD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485329728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4fce17c21ea1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01CD4327.6A21FBD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John I understant that but I have followed the procedures required but it = keeps asking the same question over again why the delay in association with the rsgb group, which seems to be the = problem. mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: vote Mal, I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. = I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means that = you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership of = the RSGB_LF_Group list (yet). 73 John, G3WKL On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton wrote: John I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open to me in spite of = being able to log in I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors going and this will = satisfy all concerned. My main objection was the way the transition suddenly took place = without proper consultation. I would suggest everyone votes openly on both reflectors, to avoid = lock outs like we are hearing about from several others. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01CD4327.6A21FBD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I understant that but I have followed the = procedures=20 required but it keeps asking the same question over again
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------=_NextPart_000_026C_01CD56BD.11475E70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 49091380000C6; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skzhn-0006yV-Bl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:35:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skzhm-0006yM-Vu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:35:26 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skzhl-0006JQ-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:35:25 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqMOAEAc709cF/Xi/2dsb2JhbABFgm4IAQFJnR0DlEgBA4EogQiCEwETAQEDSQIsAggCAQYBAhs5AQQaBiQdAQICAQGFOAcBgiMbmjOhFYt2ThOEfgOIF4U3l2mCXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,503,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="377494317" Received: from host-92-23-245-226.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.245.226]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 16:35:23 +0100 Message-ID: <008501cd56d5$f5c084b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:35:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stn tst on 476.5 599 qsx 502 de mal/g3kev Stn tst on 476.5 599 qsx 502 [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: LF: test 476.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01CD56D5.F578F460" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:353955456:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4fef1d2055ae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CD56D5.F578F460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stn tst on 476.5 599=20 qsx 502=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CD56D5.F578F460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CD56D5.F578F460-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3DDA9380000B2; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuC0-0001gI-Qd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:30:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuC0-0001g9-C2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:30:08 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjuBy-0005Wa-5F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:30:07 +0100 Received: from shack5a65be54f (unknown [83.153.241.20]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC644C80CA for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:29:59 +0200 (CEST) From: "Andre Guye1" To: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:29:58 +0200 Message-ID: <77311BE70CF342238AB77AE9DF1137ED@shack5a65be54f> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 In-Reply-To: <8CF228EF6E75DBA-1AB4-15102@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac1UeAIAPUikHg14SZuUjyhO6JQRKwAAW4gg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120627-0, 27/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I confirm, yes it is. Also good copy here. F6CNI Andy. -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] De la part de f4dtl@aol.com Envoyé : mercredi 27 juin 2012 17:16 À : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Objet : Re : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.27.42.4 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f3d1da032404cd5ad9531631c09e3b44 Subject: RE : Re : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD548A.7A5DF390" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:413966720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4feb27302aa0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD548A.7A5DF390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I confirm, yes it is. Also good copy here. =20 F6CNI Andy. -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] De la part de f4dtl@aol.com Envoy=E9 : mercredi 27 juin 2012 17:16 =C0 : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Objet : Re : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Maybe the NDB "SA" from Darlowo Poland. =20 Nicolas F4DTL -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Uwe Wensauer A: rsgb_lf_group Envoy=E9 le : Me, 27 Jun 2012 17:12 Sujet : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Hi Who is it ? SA =20 Uwe dk1kq =20 --- Antivirus avast! : message Sortant sain. Base de donnees virale (VPS) : 120627-0, 27/06/2012 Analyse le : 27/06/2012 17:29:59 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD548A.7A5DF390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I=20 confirm, yes it is. Also good copy here.
 
F6CNI Andy.
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De :=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 De la part de f4dtl@aol.com
Envoy=E9 : mercredi 27 = juin 2012=20 17:16
=C0 : = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Objet : Re=20 : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA"

Maybe the NDB "SA" from Darlowo Poland.
 
Nicolas = F4DTL


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A: rsgb_lf_group=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Envoy=E9 le : Me, 27 Jun 2012=20 17:12
Sujet : LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA"

Hi
Who is it ?
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD548A.7A5DF390-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 870AF38000089; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBnr-00007z-Nl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:29:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBnr-00007q-Ak for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:29:11 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbBnp-0001kd-EZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:29:10 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.198]) by mwinf5d15 with ME id HqV81j0044GZQLJ03qV8Bq; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:29:08 +0200 Message-ID: <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FCB7397.8020204@legal-medicine.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCB7397.8020204@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:29:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-0, 03/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , so this should exclude your vote from the poll .... G. From: "pws" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=GET_STARTED_NOW, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482259584:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fcb74e114ab X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , so this should exclude your vote from the poll .... G. -------------------------------------------------- From: "pws" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > John, > > You wrote: >> ... >> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >> how do you want to continue? >> >> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >> o With the Blacksheep.org list >> o Both lists >> >> >> To vote, please visit the following web page: >> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 > > I got what expected: > """ > To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable Web > Access. > > With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, links, > message archive search, and more! > > Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group > > If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web > Access and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. > > To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". > > Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? > If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now. > """ > > No, thanks! > I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. 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[86.155.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q53sm30998218eef.8.2012.06.09.02.57.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry GW0EZY To: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:57:15 +0100 Message-ID: <01cd01cd4626$4081c380$c1854a80$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1GJjzRz7fS3JH9QZqy4XdD1P4/6A== Content-Language: en-gb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQky+jGduHCv+j3vaclvP8wsv5MmcmQChAIVNcGgdK+4cZNdVwkzTqNKj6nRESO+5vamdcV9t6AG5xypTm5/yzonfY+VFw== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal Tnx for X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away some cobwebs in my CW !! 73 Terry [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.215.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 6be9408bcc63ba5aab6f1e66e2d5b7ce Subject: LF: Tnx X-Band QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CE_01CD462E.A2462B80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:131041784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-a402.1 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44fd31e310c04 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01CD462E.A2462B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal Tnx for X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away some cobwebs in my CW !! 73 Terry ------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01CD462E.A2462B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mal

 

Tnx for = X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away some cobwebs in my CW = !!

 

73 Terry

------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01CD462E.A2462B80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D8CA0380000A7; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 08:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skwou-0006Ft-5n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:30:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skwot-0006Fk-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:30:35 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skwor-0005hN-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:30:34 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5UCUWWA007502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:30:32 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5UCUWVt018362 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:30:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEEF0F5.80902@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:28:37 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00a901cd563a$b02b6be0$0200a8c0@boxa> <4FEE2407.3050603@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FEEC581.7020804@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEEC581.7020804@kabelmail.de> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Tom. Thanks. Yes, i have the 2 V rms in mind. It was stated in the datasheet. I intend to use a series configuration of 3 antiparallel 1N4148 diodes on the input to protect the filter. At 50 Ohm, the leveles are hopefully below 2 V rms. Otherwise i will use a stepped attenuator in series of course (if clipping occurs). [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f64a6c8ea7591cecbecc6db95ffdd328 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000303040700030005070307" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:384063648:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4feef19408a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000303040700030005070307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5UCUWWA007502 Hi Tom. Thanks. Yes, i have the 2 V rms in mind. It was stated in the datasheet.=20 I intend to use a series configuration of 3 antiparallel 1N4148 diodes=20 on the input to protect the filter. At 50 Ohm, the leveles are hopefully=20 below 2 V rms. Otherwise i will use a stepped attenuator in series of=20 course (if clipping occurs). 73, Stefan Am 30.06.2012 11:23, schrieb DK1IS: > Am 29.06.2012 23:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >> MF, >> >> It becomes better! >> >> I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver=20 >> like the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It=20 >> will be easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm=20 >> -> 18 kOhm -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small=20 >> box and then there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and=20 >> others behave on long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas... >> >> 73, Stefan >> > Hi Stefan, > > using those filters in the antenna circuit of a rx keep in mind that=20 > the maximum input voltage is rather limited due to the high internal Q=20 > of the mechanical resonators. Here I have some 200-kHz-units from RFT=20 > with maximum input voltage of 2V resp. -10 dB relative to what ever.=20 > So be careful when using them with a seperat rx antenna! > > 73, > Tom, DK1IS --------------000303040700030005070307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5UCUWWA007502 Hi Tom.

Thanks. Yes, i have the 2 V rms in mind. It was stated in the datasheet. I intend to use a series configuration of 3 antiparallel 1N4148 diodes on the input to protect the filter. At 50 Ohm, the leveles are hopefully below 2 V rms. Otherwise i will use a stepped attenuator in series of course (if clipping occurs).

73, Stefan

Am 30.06.2012 11:23, schrieb DK1IS:
Am 29.06.2012 23:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer:
MF,

It becomes better!

I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver like the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It will be easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm -> 18 kOhm -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small box and then there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and others behave on long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas...

73, Stefan

Hi Stefan,

using those filters in the antenna circuit of a rx keep in mind that the maximum input voltage is rather limited due to the high internal Q of the mechanical resonators. Here I have some 200-kHz-units from RFT with maximum input voltage of 2V resp. -10 dB relative to what ever. So be careful when using them with a seperat rx antenna!

73,
Tom, DK1IS
--------------000303040700030005070307-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB1E53800008A; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SilVg-0005a0-8Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:01:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SilVf-0005Zr-Qw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:01:43 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SilVd-0001g5-66 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:01:42 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Jun 2012 12:01:39 -0000 Received: from p4FEDA9CE.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [79.237.169.206] by mail.gmx.net (mp038) with SMTP; 24 Jun 2012 14:01:39 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18j995uHgQjF1nDoaFqeeuA4HhoBOjClQknaQE5Tz t3wdltXw71zLUy Message-ID: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:00:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Warren, perhaps you might might find something suitable there: http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm They have - among other stuff - split stator cap. kits up to 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator capacitor, so you maybe could realize other values. [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464933088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4fe701f01f6c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Warren, perhaps you might might find something suitable there: http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm They have - among other stuff - split stator cap. kits up to 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator capacitor, so you maybe could realize other values. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? Hello the list, Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester which now has taken over Jackson Bros? I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 ----- E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5088 - Ausgabedatum: 23.06.2012 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1A3E838000082; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgGrh-0006P6-7D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:54:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgGrg-0006Ox-II for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:54:08 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgGre-0007DO-OX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:54:07 +0100 Received: from pc-roelof (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5HErxOC070358 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:54:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:53:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roelof Bakker" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.00 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, This morning I listened to your QSO with PA3ABK at 21:10 UTC yesterday. Jan was S-8 on a real S-meter and your signal was peaking S-4; about 15 dB above the band noise. Easy copy in a band width of 500 Hz. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.21 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Subject: Re: LF: Further MF impressions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:412291072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fddefd16b99 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan, This morning I listened to your QSO with PA3ABK at 21:10 UTC yesterday. Jan was S-8 on a real S-meter and your signal was peaking S-4; about 15 dB above the band noise. Easy copy in a band width of 500 Hz. About propagation over a sea path, a few NDB chasers have studied this and have come to the conclusion that propagation over sea reaches four times as far as over land, using the same power and antenna. I live on an peninsula and at daytime could copy an NDB from the Faroer Islands at daytime all year round on 381 kHz. The distance is about 1300 km. For long distance propagation, the bands opens up an hour or more after sunset, when the D-layer has collapsed. But in due course you will find out the propagation finesses yourself. However, there are always surprises against all odds. (Last night I logged 20 Canadian NDB's on LF, go figure) Good luck with your stimulating experiments! 73, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1F0943800009F; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 10:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfuOq-0006rQ-LB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:54:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfuOq-0006rH-2m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:54:52 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfuOo-0002O6-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:54:50 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgYFAN+d3E9Ok8/K/2dsb2JhbABFgkWDEpobA5VdgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDFjMCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiECAhQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYdsAw8HphCITiKJOYs4GoMGggmBEgONQ5degmCBXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,422,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="38745801" Received: from host-78-147-207-202.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.207.202]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 15:54:48 +0100 Message-ID: <007201cd4bcf$f705ac30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <005401cd4bc8$0ff74c60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:54:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Herbert Will look for you on CW. There are enough beacons already on this band hi. No need for wspr beacons. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Herbert Dorner To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: Aw: LF: amtor 473 [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6bb858db23df2b82c4f5a8cb512b45b1 Subject: Re: LF: amtor 473 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD4BCF.F6D12EB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:416466816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fdc9e870ad5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD4BCF.F6D12EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Herbert =20 Will look for you on CW. There are enough beacons already on this band = hi. No need for wspr beacons. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Herbert Dorner=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: Aw: LF: amtor 473 Hi Mal / LF + MF Think that WSPR for Beacon and JT65 for QSO also Intresting for Tests = on MF. My Friend Martin make Test's in WSPR in Moment, Hope to try my first = QSO with Him. best Regard's to All on The New Band or LF 73' Herbert DG3MDE Gesendet: Samstag, 16. Juni 2012 um 15:58 Uhr Von: "mal hamilton" An: rsgb Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Betreff: LF: amtor 473=20 MF Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been associated with marine = communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the new = band. Get your PK232 and KAM tnc's out and ready. de mal/g3kev =20 Ihr WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App = f=C3=BCr iPhone und Android. =20 https://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD4BCF.F6D12EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Herbert   
Will look for you on CW. There are enough = beacons already=20 on this band hi. No need for wspr beacons.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Herbert = Dorner
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 2:19=20 PM
Subject: Aw: LF: amtor = 473

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 = 1:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: vote

Mal,

I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. =  I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means = that=20 you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership = of the=20 RSGB_LF_Group list (yet).

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not = open to me=20 in spite of being able to log in
I therefore VOTE here to keep both = reflectors going=20 and this will satisfy all concerned.
My main objection was the way the transition = suddenly took place without proper consultation.
I would suggest everyone votes openly on = both=20 reflectors, to avoid lock outs like we are hearing about from = several=20 others.
 
de mal/g3kev
 

------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01CD4327.6A21FBD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 381E43800009E; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgIeG-00073s-8C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:48:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgIeF-00073j-LL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:48:23 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgIeD-0007mc-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:48:22 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.14.151]) by mwinf5d51 with ME id PUoK1j00S3FYniy03UoLcE; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:48:20 +0200 Message-ID: <9CA1BD0BAA5346E3B622FC21CB38ECCB@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:48:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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[...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: ac0f6ff1af52b6036ac1f4fe0c2bd52c Subject: Re: LF: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:441654016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61894fde0aa6478a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none '''What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF?'' Stefan, Ground range is really a product of erp + data processing (if your are digital) , 75 miles is about the saturation range , you may remember the 'Beacon Bedlam' when 500 was first allocated and lots of qrss beacons where established (Luckily Myself and Gray are over 100 miles north of know end of civilisation Watford-gap and missed out on this !) Next is the skip round 175/ 250 miles , there seemed to be a belt round that distance that was always difficult to work, then next 300 miles + in the night There where a good set of propagation/ time delay / phase plots on the old uk500khz web site using the ZL psk-software , showing the phase distortion at times of qsb on 500 , that gave a indication as to why psk-31 was all ways a very poor mode over distance , This plot from DK8KW , with one long run of the Op beacon , gives a good over view of the changes of conditions over the night , I only started to decode off air quite late on , But I could copy your CW much earlier in the night, so I assume the station is working correctly , but later decodes are many dB down on the South Uk levels , but skip may of been the simple reason , I was using a 40ft x 2 inch end fed vertical mast , 6 ft off the ground, at the time , with only the pre-selector in the Rx as the tuner 73 -G.. http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/photos/album/96277963/pic/1714843914/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:03 PM To: Subject: LF: Further MF impressions > MF, > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly > lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the band > noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in > these first days... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DEB8738000090; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 06:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skv3L-0005po-VC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:37:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skv3L-0005pf-9s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:37:23 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skv3I-0005Cx-LZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:37:22 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Jun 2012 10:37:19 -0000 Received: from p5B3956E3.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.86.227] by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 12:37:19 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+QyzRaiteQ+4wmScmb1tV6lpnvJx+eRql8P9USum Ep/CMz1msCS9Dk Message-ID: <027201cd56ac$4f4136d0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <022001cd56a5$f61164a0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:37:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:51 AM Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters >If I understand you correctly you did not terminate the filter output side while >measuring with the hi Z probe. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: aaa907f1cfed2776dbc1341844857d57 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_026C_01CD56BD.11475E70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:512367072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24feed72c24c4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_026C_01CD56BD.11475E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:51 AM Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters >If I understand you correctly you did not terminate the filter output side while >measuring with the hi Z probe. Oh,sorry for reading not thoroughly enough (perhaps it's too hot today for such things). I see you did terminate with 18k. But as to the input you write in one email: >I have connected ... a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, and in another: >I put the 18 kOhm in series to the signal generator Which one did you try or maybe both? 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:51 AM Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Hi Stefan, >4th try... That's the reason why I opted for for the yahoo list... But back on topic.:-) If I understand you correctly you did not terminate the filter output side while measuring with the hi Z probe. I would try the same measurement with a correct termination. As there are also 500Ohm taps available you could either feed with a series 500 Ohm resistor and terminate the output by 500 Ohm or the same arangement with 18k if you don't want to use the 500Ohm taps. The plot looks typcally for a crystal or mechanical filter which has not been terminated properly. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:26 PM Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try... -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 Von: Stefan Schfer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473 kHz. It is available at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very high. See the image: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.png So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5098 - Ausgabedatum: 28.06.2012 E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5101 - Ausgabedatum: 29.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_026C_01CD56BD.11475E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
----- Original Message -----
From: Clemens Paul
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 11:51=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help = needed,=20 mechanical filters
 
>If I understand you correctly you = did not=20 terminate the filter output side while
>measuring with the hi Z = probe.
 
Oh,sorry for reading not thoroughly enough
(perhaps it's too hot today for such things).
I see you did terminate with 18k.
But as to the input you write in one email:
 
>I have connected ... a 500 Ohm resistor in series to = the=20 signal generator,
 
and in another:
 
>I put the 18 kOhm in series to the signal generator
 
Which one did you try or maybe both?
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clemens = Paul
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 11:51=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help = needed,=20 mechanical filters

Hi Stefan,
 
>4th try...
 
That's the reason why I opted = for for the=20 yahoo list...
 
But back on = topic.:-)
If I understand you correctly you did = not=20 terminate the filter output side while
measuring with the hi Z = probe.
I would try the same measurement with = a correct=20 termination.
As there are also 500Ohm taps = available you=20 could either
feed with a series 500 Ohm resistor = and terminate=20 the output by 500 Ohm
or the same arangement with 18k if = you don't want=20 to use the 500Ohm taps.
The plot looks typcally for a crystal = or=20 mechanical filter which has not been terminated
properly.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 = 10:26=20 PM
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help = needed,=20 mechanical filters

4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht = --------=20
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer "><schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version:=20 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5098 - Ausgabedatum: 28.06.2012=20


Hi Mal / LF + MF

Think that WSPR for Beacon and JT65 for QSO  also Intresting = for=20 Tests on MF.
My Friend Martin make Test's in WSPR in Moment, Hope to try my = first QSO=20 with Him.

best Regard's to All on The New Band or LF

73'
Herbert DG3MDE

Gesendet: Samstag, 16. = Juni 2012=20 um 15:58 Uhr
Von: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
An: rsgb=20 = <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yah= oogroups.co.uk
Betreff: LF:=20 amtor 473
MF
Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been = associated=20 with marine communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal = for the=20 new band. Get your PK232  and KAM tnc's out and = ready.
 
de mal/g3kev
 


  

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------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CD5395.5C655630-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D93D238000086; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiqIh-0007Ma-Sc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:08:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiqIh-0007MR-E0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:08:39 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiqIf-0002jr-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:08:38 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhYKAJRI509cHYH5/2dsb2JhbABEigmqRQOBKoEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMlARYNAg0ZBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBAQklFAEECBIGFggGEwoBAgIBAYdsAwYJB64NCwKJTopQYxp5gVODHAOIFYU2kmWEf4JfgV8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,468,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="39692749" Received: from host-92-29-129-249.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.249]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2012 18:08:37 +0100 Message-ID: <007101cd522b$fcde4970$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04><4FE71CBD.9070006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4B1F3DE9824E460585F59BE79A826473@AGB> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:08:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham Strangely enough I have been around the Pacific Islands some years ago, not Pitcairn but Christmas Is, Malden Is, Fanning Is etc G3KEV/VR4MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:495199840:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fe749c9594d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Graham Strangely enough I have been around the Pacific Islands some years ago, not Pitcairn but Christmas Is, Malden Is, Fanning Is etc G3KEV/VR4MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? > OT ? > > This is the digital version of Pitcairn Island now, with Mal as the > Master's Mate .. > > Bread fruit anyone ? > > G.. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:07 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > This is not for the LF loop tuner, which uses a 15kV vacuum > > variable and is working fine. The capacitor is for a balanced, > > link-coupled HF tuner. I should have marked my post as OT. > > > > 73 Warren > > > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Stefan Schfer > > wrote: > >> Probably, if Warren wants to have replacement parts for his transmit loop > >> tuner, then he will need parts of another league. 4 kV is nothing as well > >> as > >> 10 A RF current in a loop is nothing :-) > >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC > >> > >> Am 24.06.2012 14:00, schrieb Clemens Paul: > >> > >>> Hi Warren, > >>> > >>> perhaps you might might find something suitable there: > >>> http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm > >>> > >>> They have - among other stuff - split stator cap. kits up to > >>> 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). > >>> > >>> > >>> You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator > >>> capacitor, > >>> so you maybe could realize other values. > >>> > >>> > >>> 73 > >>> Clemens > >>> DL4RAJ > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > >>> To: "rsgb_lf_group" > >>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM > >>> Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? > >>> > >>> > >>> Hello the list, > >>> Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester > >>> which now has taken over Jackson Bros? > >>> I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced > >>> link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... > >>> > >>> -- > >>> 73 Warren K2ORS > >>> WD2XGJ > >>> WD2XSH/23 > >>> WE2XEB/2 > >>> WE2XGR/1 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- > >>> E-Mail ist virenfrei. > >>> Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de > >>> Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5088 - Ausgabedatum: > >>> 23.06.2012 > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > WD2XGJ > > WD2XSH/23 > > WE2XEB/2 > > WE2XGR/1 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B2F5380000A0; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdOLH-00087f-Al for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:16:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdOLG-00087W-Ox for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:16:46 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdOLE-00052q-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:16:45 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFAPZ1009cHntw/2dsb2JhbABFnn4DjyeGMYEIgg8EEQMBAQNJAiELAggCAQYBGwInEgECAQEaBiQZBAECAgEBh363epEQA4gNhTF6gR6VQ4Jg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,382,1336345200"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="540953793" Received: from host-92-30-123-112.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.123.112]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 17:16:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000901cd465b$3fdb5740$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:16:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF Mk2 LF Transmitter currently in service, performs well. A modified Decca 5501 with appropriate psu's Two qso's this morning with G3XDV two way 136.5 Khz and GW0EZY 136.5/7033 XBAND. De Mal/G3KEV LF [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_OBFU_JPG_ATTACH BODY: JPG attachment with generic MIME type 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e8b18434a8149229b143a95e4b01f33e Subject: LF: Emailing: 137 DECCA TX 043 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD465B.3F7BF930" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81380 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430449184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b4fd3772519b8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD465B.3F7BF930 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD465B.3F7BF930" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD465B.3F7BF930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF Mk2 LF Transmitter currently in service, performs well. A modified Decca = 5501 with appropriate psu's=20 Two qso's this morning with G3XDV two way 136.5 Khz and GW0EZY = 136.5/7033 XBAND. De Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD465B.3F7BF930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    LF
Mk2 LF Transmitter currently in service, = performs well. A=20 modified Decca 5501 with appropriate psu's
Two qso's this morning with G3XDV two way = 136.5  Khz=20 and GW0EZY 136.5/7033 XBAND.
De Mal/G3KEV
 
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In my opinion the new (yahoogroups) reflector is better. As mentioned befor= e nobody is forced to visit the website and deal with the adds. Just digest= the messages by e-mail (as I do). BUT ... Why closing down the old (blacksheep) reflector? It is clear that a numbers= of members just want to stay there and for whatever reasons do not like ya= hoogroups. Anyone is free to join either one of the refelctors (and miss a part of the= fun) or both (and receive some messages double). Meanwhile it is clear that there are strong opinions about this. Repeating = them over and over will hardly make someone to change his mind, it will onl= y cause irritation. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C685D0DICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear members= of the old and new rsgb_lf_group reflectors= ,

 

my motto is "l= ive and let live".

In my opinion the new (yahoogroups) reflector is better. As mentioned before nobody is forced to visit= the website and deal with the adds. Just di= gest the messages by e-mail (as I do).

BUT ...

Why closing = down the old (blacksheep) reflector? It is&n= bsp;clear that a numbers of members<= /a> just want to stay there and&nb= sp;for whatever reasons do not like yahoogroups.

Anyone is free to&n= bsp;join either one of the refelct= ors (and miss a part of the fun) or both<= /a> (and receive some messages double).=

Meanwhile it= is clear that there are strong=  opinions about this. Repeating<= /a> them over and over will hardly = ;make someone to change his mind, it wil= l only cause irritation.

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

--_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C685D0DICTSSMBX5lunaku_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8857338000098; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbElR-0003ji-OZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:38:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbElR-0003jZ-Ap for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:38:53 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbElP-0002vr-DQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:38:52 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApkBADWgy09OlnGb/2dsb2JhbAANN4strBQBAQEBAgF+BwQLBAUIBAEBAQkWCAcJAwIBAgEPJQkIEwYCAQGHeQMGq3MNiU6KMWCCeoMWA5UbinuHXA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="374202271" Received: from host-78-150-113-155.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.2.7]) ([78.150.113.155]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 03 Jun 2012 18:38:48 +0100 Message-ID: <4FCBA128.3040102@psk31.plus.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:38:48 +0100 From: g3zjo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> In-Reply-To: <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 03/06/2012 17:56, Tony wrote: > Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM > *Subject:* LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE > > Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. > > And Mal turned that into :- [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1bc6486c2865e7dc2ff7578e6d7fc226 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020005040309060001010606" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:523383168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fcba16b3092 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020005040309060001010606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 17:56, Tony wrote: > Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM > *Subject:* LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE > > Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. > > And Mal turned that into :- > ban persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his A typical Mal-opposed-ism. I bet he was hoping for no archive, thanks Tony. Eddie --------------020005040309060001010606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 17:56, Tony wrote:
Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
<snip>

And Mal turned that into :-

ban persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his

A typical Mal-opposed-ism.

I bet he was hoping for no archive, thanks Tony.

Eddie


--------------020005040309060001010606-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7CCF638000093; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbE6o-0002iC-T9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:56:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbE6o-0002i3-E6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:56:54 +0100 Received: from relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net ([217.69.40.75] helo=uk1rly2283.eechost.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbE6m-0002dK-Qd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:56:53 +0100 Received: from [88.151.27.235] (helo=Shack) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SbE2V-00021C-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:52:27 +0100 Message-ID: <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> From: "Tony" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:56:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Auth-Info: 3810@permanet.ie (login) X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 217.69.40.75 (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net) used invalid HELO/EHLO uk1rly2283.eechost.net - verification failed X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [217.69.40.75 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (tonybaldwin[at]yahoo.com) 1.0 FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 'From' yahoo.com does not match 'Received' headers 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 18c0ce4cbca80559a8b22b14cd653174 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0212_01CD41A9.DD4DE300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:490617888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fcb977f337e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0212_01CD41A9.DD4DE300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.=20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20 Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that = a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose = opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging = or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised = group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to = lies. Eddie ------=_NextPart_000_0212_01CD41A9.DD4DE300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 = 9:51 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" = Yahoo group=20 instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. =
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 g3zjo=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some = time back=20 indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban = persons=20 like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his,  this = is=20 hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth = operation of any=20 organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but = please=20 don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes, I agree too. It's the best piece of common sense there's been for a while about this. Well done Clive! Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3zjo" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.146.177.125 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498226144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d267.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fcc6c7d2eae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes, I agree too. It's the best piece of common sense there's been for a while about this. Well done Clive! Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3zjo" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > Yes its a good compromise and I never feel pain or distress when receiving > mails from two sources personally. > > Eddie > > On 04/06/2012 08:40, Graham wrote: >> Yes 'Flash' traffic only on the ref >> >> G. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Clive Lorton" >> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:04 AM >> To: ; >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep >> >>> Gentlemen, >>> >>> Im beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. >>> Blacksheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo >>> for technical discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be >>> archived and design/construction projects can make full use of the >>> search function and files section of Yahoo. >>> >>> Just my two pence worth.. >>> >>> Clive g8poc >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5043 - Release Date: 06/03/12 >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2C9B438000082; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbATM-0007JI-5v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:03:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbATL-0007J9-Is for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:03:55 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbATI-0001JJ-HO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:03:54 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q53D3osd022823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:03:50 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q53D3ojV018872 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:03:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB605D.9000308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:02:21 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCB4FAE.5070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Roger, I didn't expect that you try to understand me. At least i hope that you (and John) don't ignore that here are many others who do not want a yahoo group due to various reasons and will not migrate without a fatal disharmony in a new group! *Please do not ignore that!* [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 54c274b8b0f8da777e8f702c98fe24ad Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040503020905020808000609" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435429088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fcb60f03ca2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040503020905020808000609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q53D3osd022823 Roger, I didn't expect that you try to understand me. At least i hope that you=20 (and John) don't ignore that here are many others who do not want a=20 yahoo group due to various reasons and will not migrate without a fatal=20 disharmony in a new group! *Please do not ignore that!* We all know some additional features of a yahoo group but these will not=20 achieve much more on LF! Is your intention really to gain newcomers by=20 making old emails available? Really? I think it is rather a power game,=20 who will be the winners party. But there will be only losers and the=20 conversations will suffer in harmony! For example, PA7EY is a very newcomer here on LF. He was moved to LF=20 because he discovered my (often complained) CW beacon on 137.0 kHz. Newcomers are gained by doing exciting things in the presence, not in=20 the past!! And most of the group member never became tired to repeat the=20 basics how to set up a TX system for example. Contrarwise, we like to=20 talk about the basics and often this caused new discussions where many=20 learned something new. A part of the nice work here. "AND SO MUCH MORE" MORE is not always the question! Sometimes a well=20 known place works better. You know my very old car from the VLF images.=20 It is 23 years old. There are MANY cars which offer SO MUCH MORE (air=20 conditioning, air bags, seat heater....) but i simply want to drive this=20 car. It is my car! There are also XYLs that can do SO MUCH MORE. Would you change? Stefan Am 03.06.2012 14:31, schrieb Roger Lapthorn: > Stefan, > > Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about. Everything this=20 > reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be achieved with the new Yahoo=20 > Group. > > Please, support it. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > On 3 June 2012 12:51, Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 > > wrote: > > > > > > > --=20 > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ > http://qss2.blogspot.com/ > --------------040503020905020808000609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger,

I didn't expect that you try to understand me. At least i hope that you (and John) don't ignore that here are many others who do not want a yahoo group due to various reasons and will not migrate without a fatal disharmony in a new group!
Please do not ignore that!

We all know some additional features of a yahoo group but these will not achieve much more on LF! Is your intention really to gain newcomers by making old emails available? Really? I think it is rather a power game, who will be the winners party. But there will be only losers and the conversations will suffer in harmony!

For example, PA7EY is a very newcomer here on LF. He was moved to LF because he discovered my (often complained) CW beacon on 137.0 kHz.
Newcomers are gained by doing exciting things in the presence, not in the past!! And most of the group member never became tired to repeat the basics how to set up a TX system for example. Contrarwise, we like to talk about the basics and often this caused new discussions where many learned something new. A part of the nice work here.

"AND SO MUCH MORE"  MORE is not always the question! Sometimes a well known place works better. You know my very old car from the VLF images. It is 23 years old. There are MANY cars which offer SO MUCH MORE (air conditioning, air bags, seat heater....) but i simply want to drive this car. It is my car!
There are also XYLs that can do SO MUCH MORE. Would you change?

 Stefan


Am 03.06.2012 14:31, schrieb Roger Lapthorn:
Stefan,

Sorry but I just can't see what all the fuss is about. Everything this reflector can do AND SO MUCH MORE can be achieved with the new Yahoo Group.

Please, support it.

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 3 June 2012 12:51, Stefan Schäfer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:





--
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

--------------040503020905020808000609-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0352D3800008B; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1jT-0002FS-1G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:44:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1jS-0002FJ-FR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:44:38 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg1jR-0004LI-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:44:37 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFAD8L3U9cHYyy/2dsb2JhbABFn3IDlV6BCIIPBBQBAQNJAiELAggCAQYBHTkBBBoGCBwdAQICAQGHfrdxkXMDiA+FNJdegmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,424,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="396152725" Received: from host-92-29-140-178.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.178]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 23:44:31 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01cd4c11$9533fe20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:44:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan At last a QSO hi. Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were 569 solid copy with heavy QRN on the band. At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. Glad to be your first CW QSO on MF 73 es gl de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 1708620d3ce65bee0beaaede7929769a Subject: LF: qso dk7fc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4C11.94B33560" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:386831200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fdd0c9a2a6b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4C11.94B33560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan At last a QSO hi.=20 Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were 569 = solid copy with heavy QRN on the band. At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. Glad to be your first CW = QSO on MF 73 es gl de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4C11.94B33560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
At last a QSO hi.
Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 = report. I=20 cfm u were 569 solid copy with heavy QRN on the band.
At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. = Glad to be=20 your first CW QSO on MF
73 es gl de mal/g3kev
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ? We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [193.253.67.226 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (manginbenoit.pro[at]laposte.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: d63ea50e288c5ecb9bd7a86eeabe94f2 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_594927_574399254.1339069782714" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:458771072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fd095a12cfe X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_Part_594927_574399254.1339069782714 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) granting MF acc= ess to the amateur service so fast ? We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our tutelage= administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. 73 Ben=20 > Message du 07/06/12 13:16 > De : "mal hamilton"=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > Stefan > I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also EI0CF many times dur= ing > the winter months. > I work QSO mode only and no beacons. > I have also had some QSO'S with Russian stations, they call me on 7033 an= d I > reply on 502 normally although I have vfo control. > I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 but not SLOWER > When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will end next January > Mal/g3kev >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > To:=20 > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz >=20 >=20 > > Hi Joe, LF, > > > > Yes, we're here of course :-) > > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy > > narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. > > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when > > the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended > > frequency range then or will you have to QSY? > > And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? > > Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? > > It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however > > with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: > > > > > > Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... > > > > > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and > > > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. > > > > > > 73 > > > Joe VO1NA > > > > > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions= at > > > > http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.p= hp > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 Une messagerie gratuite, garantie =C3=A0 vie et des services en plus, =C3= =A7a vous tente ? Je cr=C3=A9e ma bo=C3=AEte mail www.laposte.net ------=_Part_594927_574399254.1339069782714 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) granting M= F access to the amateur service so fast ?

We in France still did= not hear even the smallest whisper from our tutelage administration. Or ma= ybe am I not well informed.

73

Ben 

<= br />

> Message du 07/06/12 13:16
> De= : "mal hamilton"
> A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Copie à :
> Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
&g= t;
> Stefan
> I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlant= ic also EI0CF many times during
> the winter months.
> I wo= rk QSO mode only and no beacons.
> I have also had some QSO'S with = Russian stations, they call me on 7033 and I
> reply on 502 normall= y although I have vfo control.
> I work on CW and if condx get diff= icult I work QRS3 but not SLOWER
> When the new band starts the old= 500 khz band will end next January
> Mal/g3kev
>
>= ;
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stefan Sch&= auml;fer"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:4= 5 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
>
>
> > Hi Joe, LF,
> >
> > Yes, we're here of cou= rse :-)
> > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is= home made and vy
> > narrow band. But i'm going to have a suita= ble RX in some time.
> > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocat= ions. What happens to them when
> > the new 475 kHz band becomes= permitted? Will you have an extended
> > frequency range then o= r will you have to QSY?
> > And what about the chances of this b= and? How easy is a TA detection?
> > Would it be possible to hav= e a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance?
> > It would be possible = for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however
> > with a 1W (= EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem...
> >
> > 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> >
> >
> > A= m 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:
> > >
> &g= t; > Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa....
> > >=
> > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID = and
> > > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed.
&g= t; > >
> > > 73
> > > Joe VO1NA
>= > >
> > > This electronic communication is governed by= the terms and conditions at
> > >
> http://www.mun.c= a/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php
> > = >
> >
>
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------=_Part_594927_574399254.1339069782714-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D28C138000081; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd7L3-0002d5-1Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:07:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd7L2-0002ct-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:07:24 +0100 Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.169.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd7Kz-0001Nk-MN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:07:23 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q58M70DW017506 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:07:00 -0400 Received: from core-msb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.141]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8F0D9E000082 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:07:00 -0400 (EDT) References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36301-STANDARD Received: from 77.190.100.187 by web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.142) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:07:00 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF13DA2999C95F-250-7AFD@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [77.190.100.187] Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:07:00 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1339193220; bh=BK9knvDgFLRTlXW7rQDbP3TbXmC4HP7/DoNTo3Xcr0I=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AtKKY/djvJwJpbXQLc+fH7+PIcuTpkgzaTnEuYnZ+lwMhFChjJw3PEEwI/ggrhAV7 sf08w+GMG7q7ZIL1Uw3/6kjCgvjEPICS9EN8v/6A2FEY3FzIk2oAILA12Gh4bWGhPK FOaUdd+Vi5VrmkPDO3bIaoiF5LqcRKCeAq70za0Y= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427696704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, just sent a test carrier on 137710 for a couple of minutes from my Marconi (the outdoor antenna ;-). SNR in QRSS3 was 41 dB in Heidelberg, and around 20 dB on the temporary grabber. Of course the ferrite antenna might not have been pointing my way. Any chance you could place it outside the car? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.169.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 9bd342c7d74bc0c7d15d59c1164ca995 Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF13DA2999C95F_250_20570_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453939712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m404.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4fd277d000e5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF13DA2999C95F_250_20570_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Stefan, =20 just sent a test carrier on 137710 for a couple of minutes from my Marconi = (the outdoor antenna ;-). SNR in QRSS3 was 41 dB in Heidelberg, and around = 20 dB on the temporary grabber. Of course the ferrite antenna might not hav= e been pointing my way. Any chance you could place it outside the car? Greetings to the gang, have fun! Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 8 Jun 2012 9:07 pm Betreff: Re: LF: Fieldday Hello Mike, LF The grabber is running now. We have WLAN on the camping yard :-) I'm=20 unning the ferrite antenna and netbook INSIDE my car! It's quite stormy=20 nd i want to stay with the others arround the fire for some time.=20 owever the RX is running and i hope the upload will be stable. just stopped the beacon so my noiseblanker can work properly. ry if you can make a signal coming through at http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html Jpg upload via dropbox out of the car ;-) Tomorrow when the QRN is low we may try a QSO. The K9AY antenna i tried is = not=20 uitable but maybe i can find the preamp somewhere in all the radio stuff i'= m=20 arrying arround here all the time ;-) 73! Stefan/DK7FC Am 08.06.2012 15:25, schrieb Mike Dennison: Stefan, I can offer a sked, but what sort of transmission do you want? Your CW sigs are very good again today with less static - see the picture on my new activity blog: http://g3xdv.blog.com The picture shows DCF39 only a little stronger than you - this is rubbish of course, as that station was leaking round my CW filter. 73 de Mike =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 > Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and > experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and > shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ > (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49FV26GJ). If someone of the > others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some > images to > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html > Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I > will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > =20 =20 ----------MB_8CF13DA2999C95F_250_20570_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Hi Stefan,
 
just sent a test carrier on 137710 for a couple of minutes f= rom my Marconi (the outdoor antenna ;-). SNR in QRSS3 was 41 dB i= n Heidelberg, and around 20 dB on the temporary grabber. Of course the= ferrite antenna might not have been pointing my way. Any chance you could&= nbsp;place it outside the car?
 
Greetings to the gang, have fun!

Best 73,
Markus

= -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 8 Jun 2012 9:07 pm
Betreff: Re: LF: Fieldday

Hello =
Mike, LF

The grabber is running now. We have WLAN on the camping yard :-) I'm=20
running the ferrite antenna and netbook INSIDE my car! It's quite stormy=20
and i want to stay with the others arround the fire for some time.=20
However the RX is running and i hope the upload will be stable.
I just stopped the beacon so my noiseblanker can work properly.
Try if you can make a signal coming through at

http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_L=
F_Grabber4.html

Jpg upload via dropbox out of the car ;-)

Tomorrow when the QRN is low we may try a QSO. The K9AY antenna i tried is =
not=20
suitable but maybe i can find the preamp somewhere in all the radio stuff i=
'm=20
carrying arround here all the time ;-)

73! Stefan/DK7FC

Am 08.06.2012 15:25, schrieb Mike Dennison:
> Stefan,
>
> I can offer a sked, but what sort of transmission do you want?
>
> Your CW sigs are very good again today with less static - see the
> picture on my new activity blog: http://g3xdv.blog.com
> The picture shows DCF39 only a little stronger than you - this is
> rubbish of course, as that station was leaking round my CW filter.
>
> 73 de Mike
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>
>   =20
>> Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and
>> experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes =
and
>> shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ
>> (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49FV26GJ). If someone o=
f the
>> others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some
>> images to
>> http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vl=
f/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html
>> Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested=
. I
>> will stay there until saturday 13 UTC.
>>
>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>>
>>     =20
>
>
>   =20
----------MB_8CF13DA2999C95F_250_20570_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9AD6338000089; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfznW-0000wL-AU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:40:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfznV-0000wC-UD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:40:41 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfznU-0003nr-FB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:40:40 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.176]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:40:40 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.24]) by cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:40:39 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:40:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:40:39 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2012 20:40:39.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A538170:01CD4C00] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? At te mom you are becoming better. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443283712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fdcef7c1a45 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? At te mom you are becoming better. Jan/pa3abk On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Schfer wrote: > MF, > > Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter > in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the > input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much > better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still > not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. > > My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look > for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters > in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth > a try. > > Starting now! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 676A838000085; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkFJj-0005xm-8y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:03:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkFJi-0005xd-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:03:30 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkFJg-0002Zy-OM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:03:29 +0100 Received: from IMAP4 (balancer7.mediabeam.com [10.100.1.80]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5SE3RmW017937 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:03:27 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:03:26 +0200 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <2cf96a2ade514f53b8ce121dbfc0ee98@kabelmail.de> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in jo43sv. the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----81FB84ADEA054942BE56CD6C00C711E2" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445237440:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fec64675b8a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------81FB84ADEA054942BE56CD6C00C711E2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid=2E all 599 in jo43sv=2E the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6=2E25 sq m tuned to 475kHz=2E the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn=2E so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient=2E GL Uwe/dj89wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 06:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC If=A0someone is=A0interested i=A0may=A0convert the circuit=A0from=A0my=A0= mind=A0into a schematic as a=A0png file=2E=20 Always=A0interested ;-)=20 73, Rik=A0=A0ON7YD - OR7T ------81FB84ADEA054942BE56CD6C00C711E2 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

last two nights on the air:
oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid=2E all 599 in jo43sv=2E

the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6=2E25 sq m tuned to 475kHz=2E

the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn=2E

so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insuffici= ent=2E

GL
Uwe/dj89wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 06:35
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file=2E

 <= /p>

Always in= terested ;-)

 <= /p>

73, Rik &= nbsp;ON7YD - OR7T

------81FB84ADEA054942BE56CD6C00C711E2-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5A44E3800010E; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuTH-0001pq-EP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:47:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuTH-0001ph-1t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:47:59 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjuTE-0005eI-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:47:57 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5RFluPj025052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:47:56 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5RFlrCA011745 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:47:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEB2ABB.3060107@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:46:03 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4EB9F9BF57C243B4AC853AECF32B69EE@uwePC> <4FEB32BA.27983.18457B5@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4FEB32BA.27983.18457B5@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mike, Thanks for the useful collection! It gives some advice which QRG is probably in use... 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:457153632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174feb2b5845d1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Mike, Thanks for the useful collection! It gives some advice which QRG is probably in use... 73, Stefan Am 27.06.2012 17:20, schrieb Mike Dennison: > Uwe, > > This is an NDB in Darlowo, Poland. See my list of frequently heard > 472kHz stations at: > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/500kHz/index.htm > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > >> Hi >> Who is it ? >> SA >> >> Uwe dk1kq >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5C9BD380000B9; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SinsV-0006Lj-7A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:33:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SinsU-0006La-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:33:26 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SinsT-00029V-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:33:25 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5OEXO2T022484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:33:24 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5OEXOCE009475 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:33:24 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE724C6.5080801@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:31:34 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <12295237.1340546569220.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <12295237.1340546569220.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Chris, Thanks. Now i can see it! Yes, the output winding is floating and connected to C18, C10; C17 and so on. 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460455040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b4fe725696d3f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Chris, Thanks. Now i can see it! Yes, the output winding is floating and connected to C18, C10; C17 and so on. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 24.06.2012 16:02, schrieb Chris Trask: >> Thanks for sharing this interesting paper. Well, the circuit looks quite >> complex but the image of the final construction looks compact. >> Since we got access to 472 kHz a weeks ago, i need another receive >> antenna now, since all my front ends are resonanted, i.e. mono band. So >> the advantage of a single receive antenna becomes more and more >> convincing to me. Of course it needs a high dynamic range without >> distortion of the spectrum then.. >> >> A question: The DC supply voltage is connected to e.g. C16? >> >> > It's connected by way of the output pin, so you send the DC supply right up the coax instead of having to run additional wires. You'll need a bias tee down at the receiver end, and I describe one at the end of this paper: > > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper021.html > > >> What might be the lower cutoff frequency if values for the input LP and >> HP filters are well choosen? It should be possible to extend the circuit >> to the VLF range (?). >> >> > The amplifier itself without the input filter will go down to about 100-200kHz. To go lower than that you'll need to increase to capacitor values plus change the transformer core material to Fair-Rite 77 or something similar. > > > Chris Trask > N7ZWY / WDX3HLB > Senior Member IEEE > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 42A6E3800009F; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdk6B-0003cE-Gx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:30:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdk6B-0003c5-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:30:39 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sdk68-0000Yu-Qg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:30:37 +0100 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120610153034.ISAO3118.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:30:34 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120610153034.FBED3795.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:30:34 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:30:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4FD4CBA4.29154.B00FF00@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=v7GFXmkIAAAA:8 a=op-6s5HL1wfCHh1t8noA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Received a Hell CQ from DF8XV this afternoon at a good strength. He did not reply to my call. Who/where was he? Screen grab at: http://g3xdv.blog.com Mike, G3XDV ========== [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: ddae800c6581715278ab3184b42d46db Subject: LF: DF8XV? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:269642816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41164fd4bdf94d16 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Received a Hell CQ from DF8XV this afternoon at a good strength. He did not reply to my call. Who/where was he? Screen grab at: http://g3xdv.blog.com Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 94DBC380000B8; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjd9n-000776-Gz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:18:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjd9m-00076x-H4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:18:42 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjd9l-0000bR-7K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:18:41 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews15.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.182]) by cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:18:40 +0200 X-Brand: /q/rzKX13g== Received: from CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.5]) by cpsps-ews15.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:18:40 +0200 Received: from Extensa ([195.241.183.120]) by CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:18:38 +0200 Message-ID: <8891F24A59404592B6BD262BA56C74E2@Extensa> From: "PA1SDB, Peter" To: References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <36D642DC20944A339A77B05805C821AF@Extensa> <4FE9AB62.1040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE9AB62.1040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 21:18:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18645 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2012 21:18:38.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[40AF26E0:01CD53E1] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CD53E1.40623F60"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81761 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:476493728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4fea27935ec8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CD53E1.40623F60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00CD_01CD53E1.40628D80" ------=_NextPart_001_00CD_01CD53E1.40628D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Stefan, all... If this was SAQ tonight between 17 and 19h UTC, then it is time for them to QRPp :-) I'm able to listen with Spectrum Lab or with SAQrx by Johan Bodin, SM6LKM. I tried to catch SAQ last year with a small passive loop, but no luck. Is the SAQ TX frequency always unstable like last evening with 100 Hz drift (if that was SAQ) Best 73's, Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Hi Peter, You will surely have audible reception at that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-) Are you prepared to listen? 73, Stefan Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: Hello ! http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - Appingedam - JO33kh VLF graber: http://www.qsl.net/pa1sdb/ SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blog.htm ------=_NextPart_001_00CD_01CD53E1.40628D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Stefan, all...
 
If this was SAQ tonight between 17 and 19h = UTC, then it=20 is time for them to QRPp :-)
I'm able to listen with Spectrum Lab or with = SAQrx by=20 Johan Bodin, SM6LKM.
I tried to catch SAQ last year with a = small passive=20 loop, but no luck.
Is the SAQ TX frequency always unstable=20 like last evening with 100 Hz drift (if that was = SAQ)
 
Best 73's, Peter.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 12:30=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor = here...

Hi Peter,

You will surely have audible = reception at=20 that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-)
Are you = prepared to=20 listen?

73, Stefan

Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, = Peter:=20
Hello !
 
http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg
 
The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - = Appingedam - JO33kh
 
SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blog.htm
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, It becomes better! I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver like the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It will be easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm -> 18 kOhm -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small box and then there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and others behave on long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 8ac9f0a1bced50a7ada6578ede3fb6ae Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030508080900060300070700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486581504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fee24ad0c55 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030508080900060300070700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TLuADc028342 MF, It becomes better! I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver like=20 the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It will be=20 easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm -> 18 kOhm=20 -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small box and then=20 there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and others behave on=20 long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas... 73, Stefan Am 29.06.2012 23:03, schrieb Mike: > Stefan > Have you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not=20 > sure if it is the same on both ends? > I would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both ends. > Mike G3JVL > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*On Behalf Of *Stefan > Sch=E4fer > *Sent:* 29 June 2012 21:27 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters > > 4th try... > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters > Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 > Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > MF, > > I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 4= 73 > kHz. It is available at > http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.htm= l > (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured= the > frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the > impedances to be connected to the wires. > There is even a datasheet at > http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf > > All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very > sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very ve= ry > high. See the image: > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20= kHz.png > > So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? > > The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and = green > wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and > green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green an= d red > wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. > Helpful was this image from the web > http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg whic= h > shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to t= he > output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as > stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > =20 > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2433.1.1/5098 - Release Date: > 06/29/12 07:34:00 > --------------030508080900060300070700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TLuADc028342 MF,

It becomes better!

I just realised that this filter is perfect to protect a receiver like the IC706 when using a BIG antenna as the MF receive antenna. It will be easy to build a passive circuit out of a transformer 50 Ohm -> 18 kOhm -->Filter--> 18 kOhm -> 50 Ohm. This can be put in a small box and then there will be no problems! I remember how the 706 and others behave on long wires, i.e. multi-band antennas...

73, Stefan

Am 29.06.2012 23:03, schrieb Mike:
Stefan
Have you included the 300pF capacitor (I do no= t read German) and not sure if it is the same on both ends?
I would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both ends.
Mike G3JVL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf = Of Stefan Sch=E4fer
Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters

4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betre= ff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum= : Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: = Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de>
An: <= /th> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.htm=
l=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
htt=
p://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20=
473%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green=20
wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red=20
wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
h=
ttp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2433.1.1/5098 - Release Date: 06/29/12 07:34:00

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sorry Stefan no chance of a test on 136 I have been QRV for local qsos I will put out a call for contacts when I get things going again. I am seeing you regularly sending DFCW on 136. Will be intouch. GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.207 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c6a8ca7629fac3d35507e5a7fd3cbf17 Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-768130977-1338666755=:95052" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484566016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fca6f5a79e4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-768130977-1338666755=:95052 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Stefan no chance of a test on 136 I have been QRV for local qsos I wi= ll put out a call for contacts when I get things going again. I am seeing y= ou regularly=A0sending DFCW on 136. Will be intouch.=0A=A0=0A=A0GL Pete M0F= MT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Stefan Sch=E4fe= r =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 19:58=0ASubject: LF: LF/MF=0A =0A=0A =0A= Hi Pete, LF,=0A=0APete, the RIG sounds good. Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well= ? We could try=0Afor a QSO if you like. So far i didn't see you there on th= e band if i=0Aremember correctly.=0A=0A73, Stefan=0A=0AAm 02.06.2012 19:41,= schrieb M0FMT: =0A=A0 =0A>The Rig I=A0described it is capable of much high= er power=0A(depending upon output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in= PA=0Avoltage it's currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltag= e=0Aregulators for the logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max,= =0Awith this rig, limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I= =0Acould separate the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the device= =0AI supose. =0A>The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter=0A= transformer via a short=A0coax lead then to=A02 link turns,=A0then from the= =0A"Top" of the transformer to the=A0up lead which goes through teflon=0Ain= sulating washers throught the wall and straight up=A0 to the 8inch ribbed g= lass=A0insulator about 35=0Afeet then on=A0a slope to a 24foot mast (soon t= o increased to 35feet).=0ATuned against several long earthing wires. =0A>= =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A> --435439028-768130977-1338666755=:95052 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry Stefan no cha= nce of a test on 136 I have been QRV for local qsos I will put= out a call for contacts when I get things going again. I am seeing you reg= ularly sending DFCW on 136. Will be intouch.
 
 GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.d= e>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Sent: Saturda= y, 2 June 2012, 19:58
Subject: LF: LF/MF

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=0AHi Pete, LF,
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=0APete, the RIG sounds good. = Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well? We could try=0Afor a QSO if you like. So fa= r i didn't see you there on the band if i=0Aremember correctly.
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= =0A73, Stefan
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=0AAm 02.06.2012 19:41, schrieb M0FMT:=0A=0A
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The Rig I de= scribed it is capable of much higher power=0A(depending upon output FET cur= rently an IR840?) with increase in PA=0Avoltage it's currently got 12volts = applied. Because I use 7812 voltage=0Aregulators for the logic stages they = will only stand about 25volts max,=0Awith this rig, limits the power to aro= und 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I=0Acould separate the supply to the PA and= get a lot more from the device=0AI supose.
=0A
The= output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter=0Atransformer via a sh= ort coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the=0A"Top" of= the transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon=0Ainsulating= washers throught the wall and straight up  to the 8inch ribbed glass insulator about 35=0Afeet = then on a slope to a 24foot mast (soon to increased to 35feet).=0ATune= d against several long earthing wires.
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Ken I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there is enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the components listing. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.235 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ea184351725c3d278a27e0f764f3f5fd Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-148106259-1339499711=:77638" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:494080160:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m411.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61854fd7251408ca X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-148106259-1339499711=:77638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ken=0A=A0=0AI believe you can operate=A0some thermionic devices in highe= r classes than C=A0but they generally lack the frequency response of a mode= rn FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficienc= y output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier= . The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fu= lly off (which=A0means a device that will operate=A0well into the=A0VHF)=A0= the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say= a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are ta= lking about)=A0at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic fiel= d in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to gene= rate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talkin= g sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on th= e output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wa= ve. Try it.=0A=A0=0AThat chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever a= nd is the guide=A0I use to bring a PA into optimum performance.=0A=A0=0AWha= t I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you are tryi= ng to make a practical and=A0efficient CW TX for LF then=A0there is enough = empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I ha= ve posted=A0that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoret= ical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract from the ti= me it takes to build a very interesting high power, efficient=A0TX design w= ell within anybodies capabilities.=A0The GW3UEP design being IMHO a very go= od (Scalable) example with no=A0RadCom=A0style unobtainium in the component= s listing.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________= ________=0A From: Ken =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09=0ASubject: LF: RE: Class E= etc=0A =0A=0A =0AHi Pete. =0AAbout 40 years ago my integration was=0Aquit= e good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial=0Aintegration= and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems with was=0A3 di= mensional integration of a point in free space . =A0=A0Looking at=0Asome of= the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default.= =0AThe reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unli= ke=0Asemiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. =0A=A0 =0A73= s =0A=A0 =0AKen =0A=A0 =0AM0KHW =0A=A0 =0A=0A______________________________= __=0A =0AFrom:owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A[mailto: owner- rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT=0ASent: 11 June 2012 19:16=0AT= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0ASubject: LF: Class E etc =0A=A0 =0A=A0 = Hi=0AKen =0A=A0 =0AHa=0Aha Stefan, how good is=A0your Integration Ken? = =0A=A0 Here=0Aare a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You= need a good dummy=0Aload and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions f= or the amplifier is to do=0Awith=A0 A/ the correct driver preferably using = a FET drive chip (like TC4422=0Anon and TC4421 inverting) that will turn th= e FET fully=A0on and fully off on=0Aeach cycle. Very fast rise time with ac= curate=A0on off timing (mark /=0Aspace). Ensuring the=A0max permitted gate = voltage for the FET=A0is not=0Aexceeded otherwise they pop, look out for tr= ansients, a diode clamp=0Ahelps.=A0 B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and in= ductance=A0in the=0Adrain=A0circuit can be done empirically See=0Aarticle b= elow. Then follow it with=A0a=A0low pass filter, although the=0Aoutput wave= will be surprisingly clean.=A0Calculating the values is difficult as you d= on't necessarily know=0Aall the starting=A0parameters and in any case=A0the= result is=A0going=0Ato wide of the mark. The site below will gives some st= arting values. Best to=0Ause 'Scope measurements to=0Aset the output condit= ions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise=0Atimes. Gate drive= and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These=0Aamplifiers are ca= pable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy class C=0Aamp. This = means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low at high=0Apower=A0givin= g cool heat-sinks! =0A=A0 The=0AGW3UEP (do a web search) single ended de= sign is capable good efficiency=A0and=0Ahigh power depending upon the FET u= sed and Drain supply voltage. I have=0Amodified one to run reliably at 140w= atts and is capable of almost twice that=0Ainto a dummy load with a heat si= nk that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using=0Athe 'scope to= get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to=0Ago. Th= e article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a= =0A50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape = on the=0A'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load.=A0I = then=0Atransfer my=A0connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tune= d=0Atransformer in the antenna up-lead. I adjust=0Athe coupling link to giv= e the same peak voltage=A0across the tuner link=0Aturns. You are not lookin= g for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy=0Aload indicating a 5= 0ohm match.=A0This is done by either=A0adding or=0Areducing=A0the number of= turns (about two turns) along with bringing the the=0Atransformer to reson= ance by measuring the peak=A0up-lead current,=0Ahere you are looking for th= e maximum peak.=A0=A0 =0A=A0 =0AOh=0Ayes and WIMA high voltage high value= capacitors from Maplin work well. =0A =0A=A0 Read=0Athe articles and sea= rch info on class E amplifiers.=A0 =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0AFor=0Asome bed time = reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure and the=0Apictures = at the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler= /AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf =0A=A0 =0AFor=0Adesign ide= as http://www.classeradio.com/ =0A=A0 =0AFor=0Aa good practical circuit= for a single ended amp=A0that =A0is a scalable surefire=0Adesign, no need = to reinvent the wheel. =0Ahttp://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ =0A =0A=A0 For=0A= antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site" =0A =0Ahttp= ://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ =0A=A0 =0A73=0Aes GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX = ---176341844-148106259-1339499711=:77638 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I be= lieve you can operate some thermionic devices in higher = classes than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a mod= ern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. Th= e high efficiency output stage = has to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it= changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off (which&= nbsp;means a device that will operate well into the VHF) the= higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a = couple of megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talki= ng about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field = in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency.= We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Alth= ough a scope on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a cle= an looking sine wave. Try it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I use to bring a PA = into optimum performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you a= re trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then the= re is enough empirical data fro= m following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that= will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to = bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract from the time= it takes to build a very interesting= high power, efficient TX design well within anybodies capabili= ties. The GW3UEP design being IMHO a very good (Scala= ble) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in= the components listing.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Stefan, just heard You at 21.57 UTC in normal CW calling cq on 476,5 kHz RST 559 some QSB. It will take some time until I will be QRV on MF; I have not expected the german administration to react so quickly! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.81 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:379798592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fe0f94d6e0d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Stefan, just heard You at 21.57 UTC in normal CW calling cq on 476,5 kHz RST 559 some QSB. It will take some time until I will be QRV on MF; I have not expected the german administration to react so quickly! The beacon SA is RST 569 here, with continuous carrier on 474,5 kHz and two sidebands 1 kHz apart (using a lot of spectrum). 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Stefan Schfer" schrieb: > just in case someone wants... > I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5D44838000089; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkJs0-0007eB-Os for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:55:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkJrz-0007e2-Tg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:55:11 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkJrw-0004xW-OI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:55:10 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcFAIun7E9OlrWL/2dsb2JhbABFAwqCOIJGT5sAkzWCG4EIghMFAQEFCAEBAgEWMwIsAQEDBQIBAQIRBAEBChcHAwICFAEEGgYNCQgGEwoBAgIBAYdsAw8HoX6DTYQqjyaKVGMFBRGEXYESA41NkmiFAIJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,493,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="397193033" Received: from host-78-150-181-139.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.181.139]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2012 19:55:05 +0100 Message-ID: <007301cd555f$87dfaf10$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC18F4.9050608@online.fr> <1340875355.96079.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1340876781.29716.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC7DDF.8050906@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340908899.62897.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:55:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete There are more simple ways to get on 500. Simple dds or sig gen at freq of interest if sine wave just sq it by using a couple of diodes then a driver chip tc4426 use one side and straight into the FET PA then an inductor and a couple of capacitors, an old lopt transformer for matching roughly from 6 ohms to 50 ohms. I built one in a couple of hours away back and it gave good service until I modified a decca unit. Mine was a QRO rig using a big fet at 60 volts to get the required 10w erp You do not need push pull class D to complicate matters. mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.6 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: d186a3cb540ae631597f163017de1e53 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01CD555F.87B25D80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:501719200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4feca8c32dcd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01CD555F.87B25D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete There are more simple ways to get on 500. Simple dds or sig gen at freq = of interest if sine wave just sq it by using a couple of diodes then a driver chip tc4426 use one side and straight into the FET PA then = an inductor and a couple of capacitors, an old lopt transformer for = matching roughly from 6 ohms to 50 ohms. I built one in a couple of = hours away back and it gave good service until I modified a decca unit. Mine was a QRO rig using a big fet at 60 volts to get the required 10w = erp You do not need push pull class D to complicate matters. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Stefan I like this and would like to make to make it. I so far have tracked = down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many construction = projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no = chance of that I suppose? There will be those who tell me its easy to get the bits but unless = you work for a company that uses this stuff it can not be slipped = through the "Purchasing" it becomes a positive stop!!=20 Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min = orders and it said it had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly = collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min = order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En? Hmm = it's plaited ? Wima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in depth but they = usually are. I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source = div. by four. Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not = be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel = the width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more. I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK = source) may be they could publish it?=20 And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is = new and worth while thanks! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 16:53 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi MF,=20 Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: = https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png (picture of = prototype = https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.= JPG) Most of the parts are not critical.=20 The ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are = in the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the = primary and secondary number of turns. There are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N = you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher = input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts. = Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise = between low on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Source = voltage should be 55V for a 12V supply. Instead of RF litz wire (i use this one: = http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI= %20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better = 5x0.4mm or what you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less. The overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it = is quite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for = /p tests. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a = multi step switch and more taps. A DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal = coming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as = the peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before! Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT:=20 Hi again Stefan The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@(( Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be = stranded up to make a synth? =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Stefan = http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/160818253= 496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8 Just over =C2=A35 a pop! = http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-= 8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326= 077 Just over =C2=A36 a pop! But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite? = =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0) Chees Pete FMT From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hello Stephan , Me too=20 73 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ =20 Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3=A9crit : Hi Stephan Me Too 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12 Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC like ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind = into a schematic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01CD555F.87B25D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Pete
There are more simple ways to get on 500. Simple = dds or=20 sig gen at freq of interest if sine wave just sq it by using a couple of = diodes
then a driver chip tc4426 use one side and = straight into=20 the FET PA then an inductor and a couple of capacitors, an old lopt = transformer=20 for matching roughly from 6 ohms to 50 ohms. I built one in a couple of = hours=20 away back and it gave good service until I modified a decca = unit.
Mine was a QRO rig using a big fet at 60 volts = to get the=20 required 10w erp
You do not need push pull class D to complicate=20 matters.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 = 6:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 = kHz PA=20 running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
 
I like this and would like to make to make = it. I so=20 far have tracked down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many construction projects = that fall at=20 the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no chance of that I=20 suppose?
 
There will be those who tell me its easy to = get the=20 bits but unless you work for a company that uses this stuff it = can not be=20 slipped through the "Purchasing" it becomes a positive stop!!=20
Like the Litz I=20 just put that in one of our big outfits with min orders and it said it = had=20 over one hundred thousand Litz and=20 promptly collapsed. But they = have one=20 of the toroids (T1) wow and = its not a=20 min order either double wow! Litz can be=20 fabricated from 0.125 = Cu/En? =20 Hmm it's plaited = ?
Wima caps are=20 available from Maplin = haven't checked in=20 depth but they usually are.
 
I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. by four.
 
Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not = be ideal=20 but are cheap!! 50P (eer = 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but = feel the=20 width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly=20 more.
 
I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a = kitting=20 list (UK source) may be they could publish it? 
 
And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" = but in=20 context it is new and worth while thanks!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT=20 IO91UX
 =20
From:=20 Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, 28 = June=20 2012, 16:53
Subject: Re: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi MF,

Late at = night, i=20 made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.pn= g =20 (picture of prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20P= A%2015W%2B100W.JPG)

Most=20 of the parts are not critical.

The ferrite cores are the blue = EPCOS types, N30 material. = Details are in the=20 image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the primary = and=20 secondary number of turns.

There are many alternatives, also to = the=20 FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance = but a higher=20 input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many = parts.=20 Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise = between low=20 on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Source voltage should = be 55V=20 for a 12V supply.

Instead of RF litz wire (i use this one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D572= 06;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30=20 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what = you=20 have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less.

The overall = dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is quite = compact and=20 since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p tests. Also you = can of=20 course use more than 2 power steps by using a multi step switch and more taps.

A DDS = signal=20 generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal coming from a HF = TX may=20 be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the peak input voltage = exceeds=20 5 Vp.

73, = Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Yes, it is nothing new and = someone has=20 done it before!






Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT:=20
Hi again Stefan
 
The Litz is = too, only by=20 the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@((
 
Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could = be=20 stranded up to make a synth?

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
<= SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20 mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, = 28 June=20 2012, 10:22
Subject: Re:=20 LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/= 160818253496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Dite= m257183ceb8
Just over =C2=A35 a pop!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-= DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3D= item256f326077
Just over =C2=A36 a pop!
But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D=20 ferrite?   =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 = ;0)
Chees Pete=20 FMT
   From: Jean-Pierre = M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Thursday, = 28 June=20 2012, 9:42
Subject: Re: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hello Stephan ,
Me too
73  , Jean-Pierre = F1AFJ =20



Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT = a=20 =C3=A9crit :
Hi Stephan
 
Me Too

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: = Thursday, 28 June=20 2012, 9:12
Subject: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

like
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe =
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM
Subject:=20 LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone = is interested=20 i may convert the=20 circuit from my mind into a schematic as = a png=20 file.
 
Always interested = ;-)
 
73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 = OR7T






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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, Consider this as how things are within the EU. Stefan is initially listening on 477,5 he has his computer (WebSDR) on 502, you were calling 501,7 (I guess) How many more variables you want to get things wrong. I took the liberty to "sneaky" advise him to have a look at your desires :-) He instantly responded. 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Stefan is initially listening on 477,5 he has his computer (WebSDR) on 502, you were calling 501,7 (I guess) How many more variables you want to get things wrong. I took the liberty to "sneaky" advise him to have a look at your desires :-) He instantly responded. We have the luxery of two MF bands. Don't think our "Behrde" will act rapidly until 31/12 when the present license expires. It's a matter of costs. Meanwhile I see a lot of DL stations becoming QRV with nice sigs. What more do we want? Your QSO with Stefan, his sigs peaked around S-8 here, looks vy promissing with only 50W under his key. As he explained, he is quite "new" and his RX bandpass is not tuned to the highband MF. Nevertheless his efforts and enthousiasm should not be curbed. Jan/pa3abk On 17-6-2012 0:23, mal hamilton wrote: > DK7FC calling CQ but no reply to my call on 502 SAME OLD PROBLEM HE > HAS NO EARS on this band either !!!!!!!!!!! > de g3kev -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 405BA38000087; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdPWI-0000GA-0X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:32:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdPWH-0000G1-Cm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:32:13 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdPWF-0005Me-PF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:32:12 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlgJAC6I009cHntw/2dsb2JhbABFigSpIwSBL4EIghMFAQEEAQgBAQNJAiYGAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEBCSUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHdQm3aYsnSIIGgxsDiA2FMZdbgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,382,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="374946809" Received: from host-92-30-123-112.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.123.112]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 18:32:10 +0100 Message-ID: <003501cd4665$cb552ad0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd4658$29338100$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FD37A2D.8080606@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:32:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Does anyone else????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:518016576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4fd388ec6600 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I know what u mean. Does anyone else????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 > Oh Mal, > > You wrote: > >... > > Mk2 version already in service will appear soon > > ... > > End of World is nigh. > O.K., nice to meet you all > and thanks for the fish! > > Peter, df3lp > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1F8F538000095; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjFkh-0001uI-Pb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:19:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjFkg-0001u9-1w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:19:14 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjFkd-0008B1-BE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:19:12 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.169]) by mwinf5d39 with ME id SkK91j00F3f0J8203kK9QS; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:19:10 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <20120625.113436.1661.631277@mailpop04.vgs.untd.com> <1340654283.10216.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340654283.10216.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:19:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Yes I think Andy gave a talk at the egham convention on using a/d from mobile phones , the new ones had the extra bits to give the full dynamic range on HF ..he was using hardware block convertors ......... never saw any items offered for sale ........only some very high price 'HF rx' using the same ideas ...I think the give away is the band being covered in frequency blocks , which I assume is down to the down convertors [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 94ef9bffc6f89f1cfd7136f29ab9f080 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01CD5318.28D2DA40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473936512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d54fe8c802063c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01CD5318.28D2DA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I think Andy gave a talk at the egham convention on using = a/d from mobile phones , the new ones had the extra bits to = give the full dynamic range on HF ..he was using hardware block = convertors ......... never saw any items offered for sale = ........only some very high price 'HF rx' using the same ideas = ...I think the give away is the band being covered in frequency = blocks , which I assume is down to the down convertors=20 Dont think he is monitoring BS now , or we might of got the = fill in, but one things is certain, the =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle = has saved me from buying a R7000 ...All we need now is a = little more stability in the control software and a wide-band = FM option in HDSDR =20 Im getting the gb3ang beacon on 70 Mhz good signal with my = indoor 2 ele quad .......... the PMR band on 446 Mhz with the = co-linera from 10 miles away in liverpool ssb on 144 MHz etc =20 Definable FM-AFC (AND AM) would be handy to monitor off = frequency nets and the tower/aircraft split=20 I think possible the driver software could improve as more take = up the idea ....... could HDSDR have its own driver code block = .......... Ive noticed there is a routine that some times = appears that 'purges' the device ......now if that could be run = at will , that would be a big help, to recover a locked = system=20 73 -G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Bob If you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at earlier = posts. However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of little interest = to you.=20 You say dangle we say dongle..... :-0 These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug straight = into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving = local digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in = the US and they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. = If I need to tell you more please ask but this is all in public domain = on the web (but not in Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played with = these things for about 6 months now and for a few quid (dollars) are = fun. If you build a simple up converter with a say a 60meg LO guess = what, you have an all band HF radio as well. Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? We = are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "riese-k3djc@juno.com" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 19:34 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =EF=BB=BF=20 Been Kinda out of any loop on this =20 BUT if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct = chip set it will cover MF to HF using an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with = my SDR IQ which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set = HDSDR will run that TV dangle as a HF radio ?? Bob K3DJC On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" = writes: Hello Pete If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid = on the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling = digital down conversion SDR. It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has = a LAN interface for remote access. The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and = VAT. You can find more details here http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description https://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b1022925e I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer. 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Mal The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the = price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D = converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on LF = because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its = worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks = people have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not = sure. It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known = LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 = chipset. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01CD5318.28D2DA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes I think  Andy  gave a talk  at the  = egham =20 convention  on using   a/d  from  mobile  = phones ,=20 the  new  ones had the  extra  bits  to  = give=20 the  full  dynamic  range on  HF ..he  = was =20 using   hardware  block  convertors ......... = never =20 saw  any  items  offered  for  sale =20 ........only  some  very  high price  'HF rx' =20 using  the  same  ideas  ...I think  the =20 give  away  is  the  band  being  covered = in=20 frequency   blocks , which I assume  is  down = to =20 the  down  convertors
 
Dont  think  he is  monitoring  BS now , = or =20 we  might  of  got the  fill  in, but  one = things  is  certain, the =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle  = has =20 saved  me  from  buying  a  R7000 ...All = we =20 need  now  is  a  little  more  = stability  in=20 the   control  software  and  a =20 wide-band  FM option in  HDSDR  =
 
Im getting the  gb3ang   beacon  on  70 = Mhz =20 good  signal  with  my indoor   2 ele  = quad=20 .......... the  PMR band  on  446 Mhz  with = the =20 co-linera  from  10 miles away in liverpool  ssb on 144 = MHz =20 etc 
 
Definable  FM-AFC  (AND  = AM)    would be handy  to  = monitor =20 off  frequency  nets  and the  = tower/aircraft  =20 split
 
I think  possible  the  driver  software =20 could  improve  as  more  take  up  = the =20 idea  ....... could  HDSDR have  its  own  = driver =20 code  block  .......... Ive  noticed there  is = a =20 routine  that  some  times  appears  that  = 'purges'  the  device  ......now  if that  = could =20 be  run at   will  , that  would  be a = big =20 help, to  recover  a  locked   system
 
73 -G.
From: M0FMT
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Bob
 
If you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at = earlier=20 posts.
 
However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of = little=20 interest to you.
 
You say dangle we say dongle..... :-0
 
These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug = straight=20 into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving = local=20 digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in the = US and=20 they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. If I = need to=20 tell you more please ask but this is all in public domain on the web = (but not in=20 Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played with these things for about = 6=20 months now and for a few quid (dollars) are fun. If you build a = simple up=20 converter with a say a 60meg LO guess what, you have an all band HF = radio=20 as well.
 
Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at = below??=20 We are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "riese-k3djc@juno.com"=20 <riese-k3djc@juno.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 25 = June 2012,=20 19:34
Subject: Re: = LF: SDR=20 programs

=EF=BB=BF=20
 
Been Kinda out of any loop on this  
 
BUT
 
if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he = correct chip=20 set
it will cover MF to HF using  an appropriate program. I use = HDSDR with=20 my SDR IQ
which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set = HDSDR
will run that TV dangle as a HF radio
 
??
 
Bob K3DJC
 
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" <tracey.gardner@talktalk.ne= t>=20 writes:
Hello Pete
 
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new = kid on=20 the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel.
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct = sampling=20 digital down conversion SDR.
It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and = has a=20 LAN interface for remote access.
The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping = and VAT.
 
You can find more details here
 
 
 
I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer.
 
73s Tracey G5VU
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT =
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM Subject:=20 Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Mal
 
The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is = the=20 price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D=20 converter. They are not really suitable for or give any = advantage on LF=20 because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a = good sound=20 card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think = its=20 worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks = people=20 have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not = sure. It=20 looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX = suppiers=20 do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 = chipset.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 


------=_NextPart_000_0057_01CD5318.28D2DA40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F2FFA38000084; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sff4w-0004K5-7s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 23:33:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sff4v-0004Jw-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 23:33:17 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sff4t-0008Lr-0s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 23:33:16 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Jun 2012 22:33:12 -0000 Received: from p54B9BD30.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Notebook) [84.185.189.48] by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 00:33:12 +0200 X-Authenticated: #20371661 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18iSJwZJ7wiZO0r1p465Ux1SiDqpwVQaTscnSXMSi wRNUa4AHvyfIVo Message-ID: <8D3DA02C6F92436EAB2DA7283A57D46C@Notebook> From: "Thomas Rosenkranz" To: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 00:33:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18645 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hy LF and MF, this is my LF and MF Grabber. The location is near Leipzig JO61DE. http://dm4tr.bplaced.net/index.php?section=MF [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (thomas.rosenkranz.1[at]gmx.de) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (thomas.rosenkranz.1[at]gmx.de) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: LF: German LF and MF Grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02A7_01CD4B57.9C0391D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:272531360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60184fdbb8891c0f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02A7_01CD4B57.9C0391D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hy LF and MF, this is my LF and MF Grabber. The location is near Leipzig JO61DE. http://dm4tr.bplaced.net/index.php?section=3DMF 73! Thomas DM4TR ------=_NextPart_000_02A7_01CD4B57.9C0391D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hy LF and MF,
 
this is my LF and MF = Grabber.
The location is near Leipzig = JO61DE.
 
http://dm4tr.bplaced.net/index.php?section=3DMF
 
 
73!
 
Thomas=20 DM4TR
------=_NextPart_000_02A7_01CD4B57.9C0391D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 01377380000E4; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgk49-0001Sl-No for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:04:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgk48-0001Sc-2q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:04:56 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sgk44-0007HS-LD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:04:54 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5IM4n58012031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:04:49 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5IM4nn0005851 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:04:49 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDFA599.3050006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:03:05 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Gary, Oh yes, it seems so :-) Very nice:-) Will you extend the displayed range of your MF grabber some day? That would be very useful. There is no grabber for the new MF band in the UK so far. Unfortunately there is QRM today on 477.5 and so i'm now calling at 473.5... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 027eb28428a0ed4e20e06b28d08cfc7b Subject: Re: LF: Now again on 477.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040308080602060607030607" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498314432:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574fdfa6b27ceb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040308080602060607030607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gary, Oh yes, it seems so :-) Very nice:-) Will you extend the displayed range of your MF grabber some day? That would be very useful. There is no grabber for the new MF band in the UK so far. Unfortunately there is QRM today on 477.5 and so i'm now calling at 473.5... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 18.06.2012 19:07, schrieb Gary G4WGT: > Hi Stefan, LF, > > So....was this you last night....found in my saved captures today. > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15990181/477-479-1206172330.jpg > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200 > > From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: Now again on 477.5 > > > > MF, > > > > Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy > > exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again, > > listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else > > wants to try. > > > > Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > --------------040308080602060607030607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gary,

Oh yes, it seems so :-) Very nice:-) Will you extend the displayed range of your MF grabber some day? That would be very useful. There is no grabber for the new MF band in the UK so far.

Unfortunately there is QRM today on 477.5 and so i'm now calling at 473.5...

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 18.06.2012 19:07, schrieb Gary G4WGT:
Hi Stefan, LF,

So....was this you last night....found in my saved captures today.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15990181/477-479-1206172330.jpg

73,

Gary - G4WGT.

 
> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200
> From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Now again on 477.5
>
> MF,
>
> Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy
> exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again,
> listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else
> wants to try.
>
> Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
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A lower termination impedance will flatten the response but also reduce the out-of-band attenuation, and probably the slope, and increase the insertion loss. They can be cascaded .....gain is cheap at those frequencies. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.197 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: f82786fce13a7bdfc3036eb41b44b924 Subject: LF: Re: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01CD564C.0C1FDB50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:500076864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d297.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fee27782f21 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CD564C.0C1FDB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan if they are really that old then they mar be deterioration of the = elements. I remember the Kokusai fikters used in KW TX and RX designs = (much bigger profile) degraded over the years. I have a few of those = type of filters, my measurements suggest that ripple was not an = important aspect (perticularly if they were for NBFM. However they look = more like AM filters .....Mikes idea is good I found that the best shape = is not always with the specified termination. PMR makers are more = interested in adjacent channel suppression than in-band linearity. A = lower termination impedance will flatten the response but also reduce = the out-of-band attenuation, and probably the slope, and increase the = insertion loss. They can be cascaded .....gain is cheap at those = frequencies. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:26 PM Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try...=20 -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical = filters=20 Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200=20 Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20 kHz. It is available at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=20 (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20 frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20 impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20 sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20 high. See the image:=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.pn= g So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green = wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20 green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red = wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web=20 http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20 shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20 output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20 stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CD564C.0C1FDB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan if they are really that old then = they mar be=20 deterioration of the elements. I remember the Kokusai fikters used in KW = TX and=20 RX designs (much bigger profile) degraded over the years. I have a few = of those=20 type of filters, my measurements suggest that ripple was not an = important aspect=20 (perticularly if they were for NBFM. However they look more like AM = filters=20 .....Mikes idea is good I found that the best shape is not always with = the=20 specified termination. PMR makers are more interested in adjacent = channel=20 suppression than in-band linearity. A lower termination impedance will = flatten=20 the response but also reduce the out-of-band attenuation, and probably = the=20 slope, and increase the insertion loss. They can be cascaded .....gain = is cheap=20 at those frequencies.
 
Alan G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 = 9:26 PM
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, = mechanical=20 filters

4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- =
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer "><schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC
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BASTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! 73 de Mauro IK1WVQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 78BA1380000C4; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjYKp-0006Jq-NL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:09:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjYKp-0006Jh-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:09:47 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjYKn-00082v-HP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:09:46 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.9.125]) by mwinf5d36 with ME id T49h1j00R2hrnui0349hqb; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:09:44 +0200 Message-ID: <172D1CB5F32F43A790DBC99A73F73D59@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:09:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120626-0, 26/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Steady on Mal ! this is getting technical !" Your right , FM has a cut off point , where demodulation fails and also a capture effect , where the stronger of 2 signals will acquire and hold the demodulator ..always fun on 2 mtrs when a mobile suddenly takes the channel [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 34d483c57c7a6bf26c25db3c8765d5fc Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD53BE.79C61A10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:423539296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fe9df1d6705 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD53BE.79C61A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steady on Mal ! this is getting technical !" Your right , FM has a cut off point , where demodulation fails = and also a capture effect , where the stronger of 2 signals will = acquire and hold the demodulator ..always fun on 2 mtrs when a = mobile suddenly takes the channel=20 Am has no cut off point , but gradual degradation until the = recovered audio is no longer usable ......eg, mcw would readable = much lower than AM speech=20 I think much over 250/300 MHz its actually not possible to = produce AM , could be wrong , but there is a limit , may be by = high level modulation falls over , dont see why could not be = via transverting .......=20 G.. From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: A/G FREQS As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex working. I have also = noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM = transmitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be = opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then select the one = of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on CW. On = FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a black hole, in = other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the exact bandwidth of the = transmission (same deviation value) g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD53BE.79C61A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steady on Mal !   this  is getting  = technical =20 !"
 
Your  right  , FM has a  cut off  point  , = where  demodulation fails  and  also  a  = capture =20 effect , where the  stronger of  2 signals  will =20 acquire  and  hold the  demodulator ..always  =20 fun  on 2  mtrs   when a  mobile  = suddenly =20 takes  the  channel
 
Am  has no  cut off  point , but  gradual  = degradation  until the  recovered  audio  is = no  longer=20 usable  ......eg,  mcw  would  readable  = much =20 lower  than  AM speech
 
I think  much over  250/300 MHz   its =20 actually  not  possible to  produce  AM  , = could=20 be  wrong  , but  there is a  limit  , = may  =20 be  by  high  level  modulation falls over , = dont =20 see  why  could  not  be  via  = transverting =20 .......
 
G..
From: mal hamilton
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: A/G FREQS

As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and=20 simplex working.  I have also noticed a well modulated AM = transmitter=20 is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM = the RX=20 bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously = then=20 select the one of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same = applies on=20 CW.  On FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into = a black=20 hole, in other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the=20 exact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation = value)
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD53BE.79C61A10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 60EF938000098; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sga4A-0000Ns-N9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:24:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sga4A-0000Nj-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:24:18 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sga48-0003zt-Ak for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:24:17 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.46.227]) by mwinf5d19 with ME id PnQE1j00N4u5bvm03nQFhM; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:24:15 +0200 Message-ID: <579BE3734251416D981B86B987B089DB@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <016c01cd4d0f$affaf480$0501a8c0@Vaio3> In-Reply-To: <016c01cd4d0f$affaf480$0501a8c0@Vaio3> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:24:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120618-0, 18/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I thinks so , the max audio is 1800 Hz , which gives 478.8 max carrier frequency G.. From: "7L1RLL-Rick" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 6:03 AM To: Subject: RE: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:469021504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194fdf10310f74 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror I thinks so , the max audio is 1800 Hz , which gives 478.8 max carrier frequency G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "7L1RLL-Rick" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 6:03 AM To: Subject: RE: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? > Albert, > I have installed two copies of Opera 142_beta on both W7 and XP machine. > But the assigned frequencies are something off-band after January 1st > 2013. > 477kHz (USB) Op8 (478.5-478.6kHz) will be no problem in world wide, but > Op4 > (478.6-479.8kHz) may be 478.6kHz to 478.8kHz. > Please confirm above if it is typographic error. > 73 Rick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Albert > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:55 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? > > G, > > Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. > > 73, Albert > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 335C4380000A7; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUmP-0005Ot-GD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:22:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUmP-0005Od-3A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:22:01 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjUmN-0005dg-DL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:21:59 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5QCLww2030641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:21:58 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QCLwJn010965 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:21:58 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE9A8F7.8080108@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:20:07 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE8F6FE.4030409@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002201cd5382$5c1cd620$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <002201cd5382$5c1cd620$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5QCLww2030641 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks Jay for the effort. Yes i see the result on your grabber. At least some traces. So we see that propagation+QRN lowers the S/N by 30 dB now, compared to the best winther days. Never mind, we already have been successful in June. July will be the hardest challenge i expect. But we will do the job! [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446320160:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4fe9a9975b02 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thanks Jay for the effort. Yes i see the result on your grabber. At=20 least some traces. So we see that propagation+QRN lowers the S/N by 30=20 dB now, compared to the best winther days. Never mind, we already have been successful in June. July will be the=20 hardest challenge i expect. But we will do the job! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.06.2012 11:59, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: > Stefan > > Not much to show for the effort last night ... high static levels the=20 > main culprit. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 > > To: > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 7:40 PM > Subject: LF: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) > > >> LF! >> >> Once again, braving the summer hole, i'm transmitting over night on=20 >> 136.172 kHz in DFCW-90. Still hoping to leave some traces in that=20 >> mode in YV. The days become longer here again now! >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4876C3800008F; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXxn-00039G-GI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:57:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXxm-000397-RN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:57:26 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfXxk-0006kc-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:57:25 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkkFALJH209cHn0G/2dsb2JhbABFgkWiMJBdgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDICEIAiELAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEBCSUUAQQYAgYMCggGDwQBCQECAgEBAQsEh1wDDwewOwOJWIpUYoYRA4gPhTSRBYFbhH6CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,417,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="38610227" Received: from host-92-30-125-6.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.125.6]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 15:57:22 +0100 Message-ID: <002901cd4b07$28b49530$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" References: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:57:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham This particular piece of spectrum was NOT a good choice for radio amateur use. Like Tracy said the majority of the NDB'S are audible in the UK and some very loud during the dark hours. It is only really suitable for CW qso mode where the operator can dive in/out of vacant slots at the time. For Opera or other data modes it will be difficult where a SLOT has to be specified because there are quite dramatic propagation changes taking place especially in the dark hours and you could well end up on top of a NDB or several. The same applies on 160 metres where band condx change all the time, fortunately there are no NDB'S to contend with. It is not surprising commercial operators did not see this part of the spectrum as useful except all NDB'S QRT. NDB'S are still a useful nav aid for the Aeronautical service es others so I cannot see them switching off. G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 3aadd9fea9ba15034c375823b9f54189 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4B07.2871BFD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:475092800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d618a4fdb4d8276b4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4B07.2871BFD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham This particular piece of spectrum was NOT a good choice for radio = amateur use. Like Tracy said the majority of the NDB'S are audible in = the UK and some very loud during the dark hours.=20 It is only really suitable for CW qso mode where the operator can dive = in/out of vacant slots at the time. For Opera or other data modes it will be difficult where a SLOT has to = be specified because there are quite dramatic propagation changes taking = place especially in the dark hours and you could well end up on top of a = NDB or several.=20 The same applies on 160 metres where band condx change all the time, = fortunately there are no NDB'S to contend with. It is not surprising commercial operators did not see this part of the = spectrum as useful except all NDB'S QRT. NDB'S are still a useful nav aid for the Aeronautical service es others = so I cannot see them switching off. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: graham787=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:38 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 This is going to be a nightmare, more like a downhill slalom course = than a band allocation=20 Has anyone a graphic of the band and beacon allocations what shows = where the gaps are ? G.. --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison" = wrote: > > Guard bands for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as the = MCW=20 > receivers would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any=20 > interference from amateurs is likely to be extremely local. Our = small=20 > signal working is likely to suffer more QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs than = to=20 > them. >=20 > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > > Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz. > > Twelve of those have been logged from the UK. > > The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide detailed > > information on frequencies which should be avoided. It should be = borne > > in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of approx 400Hz and > > 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of specific slots to = be > > wary of. > >=20 > > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ > >=20 > > Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some form = of > > guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with NDBs? > >=20 > > 73s Tracey G5VU > __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (10)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 4=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4B07.2871BFD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham
This particular piece of spectrum was NOT a good = choice=20 for radio amateur use. Like Tracy said the majority of the NDB'S are = audible in=20 the UK and some very loud during the dark hours.
It is only really suitable for CW qso mode where = the=20 operator can dive in/out of vacant slots at the time.
For Opera or other data modes it will be = difficult where a=20 SLOT has to be specified because there are quite dramatic propagation = changes=20 taking place especially in the dark hours and you could well end up on = top of a=20 NDB or several.
The same applies on 160 metres where band condx = change all=20 the time, fortunately there are no NDB'S to contend with.
It is not surprising commercial operators did = not see this=20 part of the spectrum as useful except all NDB'S QRT.
NDB'S are still a useful nav aid for the = Aeronautical=20 service es others so I cannot see them switching off.
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 graham787=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 = 2:38 PM
Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: = Band=20 Planning for 472 Khz Band ?

  =

This is going to be a nightmare, more like a downhill slalom course = than a=20 band allocation

Has anyone a graphic of the band and beacon=20 allocations what shows where the gaps are ?

G..

--- In = rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk,=20 "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@...> wrote:
>
> Guard = bands=20 for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as the MCW
> = receivers=20 would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any
> interference = from=20 amateurs is likely to be extremely local. Our small
> signal = working is=20 likely to suffer more QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs than to
> = them.
>=20
> Mike, G3XDV
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> =
> > Twenty-seven=20 NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz.
> > = Twelve of=20 those have been logged from the UK.
> > The NDB database on = the=20 Classaxe web site would provide detailed
> > information on=20 frequencies which should be avoided. It should be borne
> > = in mind=20 that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of approx 400Hz and
> > = 1020Hz=20 modulation, so there are a good number of specific slots to be
> = >=20 wary of.
> >
> > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/n= db/reu/
>=20 >
> > Perhaps some consideration should be given to = setting up=20 some form of
> > guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid = any=20 problems with NDBs?
> >
> > 73s Tracey=20 G5VU
>

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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CD4B07.2871BFD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E80AE38000099; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg19h-0001nO-MH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:07:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg19g-0001nF-S7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:07:40 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg19e-0004Ac-IB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:07:39 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5GM7bCg029135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:07:37 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GM7bRh001231 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:07:37 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDD0343.3070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:05:55 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many reports my email. Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station i ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF, without any problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where real time QSOs can take place. And this night is in summer and with high QRN, so winther must be wonderful. No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-) 137 kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real QSO band now! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f9f85a03ab18710b130c40acc03380f0 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090008080308050006020403" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435596544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fdd03e837c3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090008080308050006020403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5GM7bCg029135 Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many reports=20 my email. Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station i=20 ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF,=20 without any problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where=20 real time QSOs can take place. And this night is in summer and with high=20 QRN, so winther must be wonderful. No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-)=20 137 kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real=20 QSO band now! I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the active=20 ferrite antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN... The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground range=20 distance is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but nothing at=20 DJ2LF in 175km distance... Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA here=20 while sitting in the forest and receiving there :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 23:24, schrieb Chris 4X1RF: > Jan, Stefan > > Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in=20 > real time on the Delfi WebSdr. > > > 73s > Chris 4X1RF > > > On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM, pa3abk > wrote: > > Stefan, > > At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ. > And stop when your CQ starts again. > > There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5. > > > Jan/pa3abk > > > On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote: > > Stefan, > > Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? > > At te mom you are becoming better. > > > > Jan/pa3abk > > On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > > MF, > > Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a > band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably > there was an overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 > dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can hear > the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not > sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. > > My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 > kHz in CW and look for skeds*! I can receive > on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX > already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway > worth a try. > > Starting now! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > --=20 > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > > > --------------090008080308050006020403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many reports my email.

Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station i ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF, without any problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where real time QSOs can take place. And this night is in summer and with high QRN, so winther must be wonderful.
No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-) 137 kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real QSO band now!

I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the active ferrite antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN...

The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground range distance is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but nothing at DJ2LF in 175km distance...
Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA here while sitting in the forest and receiving there :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 16.06.2012 23:24, schrieb Chris 4X1RF:
Jan, Stefan

Congratulations for your 477.5 / 502 KHz QSO! It was fun to hear it in real time on the Delfi WebSdr.


73s
Chris 4X1RF


On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM, pa3abk <pa3abk@kpnmail.nl> wrote:
Stefan,

At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ.
And stop when your CQ starts again.

There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5.


Jan/pa3abk


On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote:
Stefan,

Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call?

At te mom you are becoming better.



Jan/pa3abk

On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Schäfer wrote:
MF,

Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal.

My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try.

Starting now!

73, Stefan/DK7FC




--
pa3abk<->  dordrecht jo21it



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[...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.206.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 66d07794ca19cd68f7d6cc289cd4ac18 Subject: LF: Ham Radio Friedrichshafen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF1EC3DBF4E512_608_28B66_webmail-m168.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489805888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d014.1 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94fe4c6e75d9c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF1EC3DBF4E512_608_28B66_webmail-m168.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear LFers, tomorrow (Sat June 23), I intend to take a day trip to the Ham-Radio fair i= n Friedrichshafen. 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Dear LFers,
 
tomorrow (Sat June 23), I intend to take a day trip to the Ham-Radio f= air in Friedrichshafen. I would certainly enjoy any possible face-to face m= eetings with fellow LFers! As far as I know, Walter DJ2= LF will be giving a talk on how to get started on MF at 15:0= 0 CEST, so that might be a good corner to find each other.
 
Best 73,
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX line (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? 73, Stefan Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Schäfer: > G.., LF, > > What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? > What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 925300287489a1d7272e62b121c112aa Subject: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:378588960:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fca41f14870 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX=20 line (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? 73, Stefan Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > G.., LF, > > What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? > What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F358D380000F9; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si51V-0005zV-7w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:39:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si51U-0005zH-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:39:44 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si51S-0006F2-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:39:43 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEFAC+C5E9cF/ZW/2dsb2JhbABFoBcDlUmBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAhQKDgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfrohiy6CZoMcA4gUhTaXY4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,458,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="385569542" Received: from host-92-23-246-86.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.86]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 2012 15:39:39 +0100 Message-ID: <003101cd5084$da331b60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001b01cd505a$d79cd230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:39:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tracy 25 dB gain increase across spectrum 470 - 500 Khz. Just checking antenna gain across band of interest and not a scientific measurement. Signal over noise also looks good on beacon SA with 1 Khz selectivity, and can go down to 25 hertz if necessary. Just looked at it again and it is the same except now geting hit by static crashes. [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: ad9c0e3658f56f4dbb01cd425a6a8031 Subject: LF: Re: Re: NF MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD5084.D9D17360" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1474fe483dc718e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD5084.D9D17360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracy 25 dB gain increase across spectrum 470 - 500 Khz. Just checking = antenna gain across band of interest and not a scientific measurement. = Signal over noise also looks good on beacon SA with 1 Khz selectivity, = and can go down to 25 hertz if necessary. Just looked at it again and it is the same except now geting hit by = static crashes. =20 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracey Gardner=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:24 PM Subject: LF: Re: NF MF Hello Mal You don't quote the all important, the bandwidth that you were taking = these measurements in. I've just done a quick look on my receiver. 20kHz DDC bandwidth and 10Hz selectivity Noise floor with no antenna < -150dBm Noise floor with Beverage antenna connected < -140dBm=20 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: LF: NF MF MF Experiment this morning on 475 Khz band. Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz. Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB attenuation = inserted-------------120dB Antenna 1/4 wave inv L connected 95dB therefore a gain of 25 dB Time 0900 utc ----daytime Band quiet no static -- typical radio = environment at this QTH=20 I must do this check after dark g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD5084.D9D17360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tracy
25 dB gain increase across spectrum 470 - 500 = Khz. =20 Just checking antenna gain across band  of interest and not a = scientific=20 measurement. Signal over noise also looks good on beacon SA with 1 Khz=20 selectivity, and can go down to 25 hertz if necessary.
Just looked at it again and it is the same = except now=20 geting hit by static crashes.
 
 
mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tracey Gardner
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 = 1:24 PM
Subject: LF: Re: NF MF

Hello Mal
 
You don't quote the all important, the bandwidth that you were = taking=20 these measurements in.
 
I've just done a quick look on my receiver.
 
20kHz DDC bandwidth and 10Hz selectivity
 
Noise floor with no antenna < -150dBm
Noise floor with Beverage antenna connected < = -140dBm 
 
73s Tracey
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 = 10:38=20 AM
Subject: LF: NF MF

MF
Experiment this morning on 475 Khz = band.
 
Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz.
 
Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB = attenuation=20 inserted-------------120dB
 
Antenna 1/4 wave inv L connected  95dB = therefore=20 a gain of 25 dB
 
Time 0900 utc  ----daytime   = Band quiet=20 no static -- typical radio environment at this QTH
 
I must do this check after dark
 
g3kev
 
 
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Rik  Many thanks for your very useful information. I hope others find this as well. Yes I said in an earlier mail what the PA and driver would cost from E-bay (my supplier of choice... :o)) but at least they are obtainable.  The current hold are the Ferrites or the Iron Dust toriods. This is the usual problem because one black iron ring looks very much like another. Once you have it in your hands you can do a test. What I do is to put a few turns on an unknown core and measure the inductance then compare the results with the theoretical value obtained from a range of cores with the same dimensions using "Mini Core" SW. At the moment I have a source for the T1 core but not the choke. And surprisingly I can't find the T80-2s they were every where once upon a time. Anyway I do have a variety of cores that will probably do for the O/P filtre. One day I will find a design I can kit perfectly.  I like your transverter, I am getting torn between projects right now. Q6 / Q7 driver as you say can be reproduced for each FET gate cheaply in fact I have the parts!  I will now crawl into my cave and start to build. Thanks to you and Stefan. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.64 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 3d57f46aaa11dced1062afcdaf02fb40 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-633832833-1340969485=:35762" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:508810688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d008.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fed92694e41 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-633832833-1340969485=:35762 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik=0A=C2=A0=0AMany thanks for your very useful information. I hope othe= rs find this as well.=0AYes I said in an earlier mail what the PA and drive= r would cost from E-bay (my supplier of choice... :o)) but at least they ar= e obtainable.=0A=C2=A0=0AThe current hold are=C2=A0the Ferrites or the Iron= Dust toriods. This is the usual problem because one black iron ring looks = very much like another. Once you have it in your hands you can do a test. W= hat I do is to put a few turns on an unknown core and measure the inductanc= e then compare the results with the theoretical value obtained from a range= of cores with the same dimensions using "Mini Core" SW.=C2=A0At the moment= I have a source for the T1 core but not the choke. And surprisingly I can'= t find the T80-2s they were every where once upon a time. Anyway I do have = a variety of cores that will probably do for the O/P=C2=A0filtre. One day I= will find a design I=C2=A0 can kit perfectly.=0A=C2=A0=0AI like your trans= verter, I am getting torn between projects right now. Q6 / Q7 driver as you= say can be reproduced for each FET gate cheaply in fact=C2=A0I have the pa= rts!=0A=C2=A0=0AI will now crawl into my cave and start to build. Thanks to= you and Stefan.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A__________________= ______________=0A From: Rik Strobbe =0ATo: "rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =0ASent: Friday,= 29 June 2012, 8:49=0ASubject: RE: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC= =0A=C2=A0 =0A=0A =0AHello=C2=A0Pete, =0A=C2=A0 =0AI=C2=A0assume=C2=A0that = the more=C2=A0exotic=C2=A0parts are the power=C2=A0FET (IRFZ48N) and the=C2= =A0driver IC (ICL7667). =0AThe=C2=A0IRFZ48N is a=C2=A055V /=C2=A064A / 0.01= 4 Ohm device. For a=C2=A0first=C2=A0try=C2=A0you=C2=A0could=C2=A0replace=C2= =A0it=C2=A0by=C2=A0far more=C2=A0common=C2=A0IRF460=C2=A0that is=C2=A0100V = /=C2=A028A / 0.06 Ohm. =0AA bit of=C2=A0reverse engineering: Stefan=C2=A0st= ates=C2=A050W output at 80% efficiency =3D=C2=A062.5W input =3D=C2=A05.2A a= t 12V. =0ASo=C2=A0with a=C2=A028A=C2=A0device=C2=A0you are=C2=A0on the safe= side. =0AThe=C2=A0larger Ron (0.06 Ohm=C2=A0vs 0.014 Ohm)=C2=A0will (in th= eory)=C2=A0reduce the efficiency.=C2=A0But=C2=A05.2A in 0.014 Ohm is=C2=A0o= nly=C2=A0about=C2=A00.4W loss (for a IRFZ48N). For a=C2=A0IRF460=C2=A0it is= =C2=A05.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D=C2=A01.6W loss. =0ASo=C2=A0the=C2=A0losses (12.5= W) are=C2=A0probably more=C2=A0due to the non perfect=C2=A0switching=C2=A0t= han=C2=A0due to the Ron of the FETs. =0AAn=C2=A0alternative=C2=A0for the=C2= =A0ICL7667 is a=C2=A0TC4426=C2=A0or a=C2=A0homebrew=C2=A0driver (see http:/= /www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif/images/sto= ries/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif). =0A=C2=A0 =0A73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0O= N7YD - OR7T =0A=C2=A0 =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AVan: own= er-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens= M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk]=0AVerzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 20:41=0AAan:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0AOnderwerp: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA runni= ng at 12 VDC=0A=0A =0AHi Stefan =0A=C2=A0 =0AI like this and would like to= make to make it. I so far have tracked down most bits but as usual the Uno= btainium of so many construction projects that fall at the last hurdle unle= ss they are Kits........ no chance of that I suppose? =0A=C2=A0 =0AThere wi= ll be those who tell me its easy to get the bits=C2=A0but unless you work f= or a company that uses this stuff it can not be slipped through the "Purcha= sing"=C2=A0it becomes a positive stop!! =0ALike the Litz I just put that i= n one of our big outfits with min orders and it said it had over one hundre= d thousand Litz and promptly collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T= 1) wow and its not a min order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated fr= om 0.125 Cu/En?=C2=A0 Hmm it's plaited ? =0AWima caps are available from Ma= plin haven't checked in depth but they usually are. =0A=C2=A0 =0AI like the= idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. by four. = =0A=C2=A0 =0AGenerally=C2=A0I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay = they may not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the qualit= y but feel the width... principle)=C2=A0and the drivers TC range for slight= ly more. =0A=C2=A0 =0AI'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kit= ting list (UK source) may be they could publish it?=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 =0AAnd = thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is new and w= orth while thanks!=0A =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A_________= _______________________=0A From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 28 = June 2012, 16:53=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A= =0A=0AHi MF, =0A=0ALate at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: h= ttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png=C2=A0 (picture o= f prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%201= 5W%2B100W.JPG)=0A=0AMost of the parts are not critical. =0A=0AThe ferrite c= ores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are in the image. But = you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the primary and secondary n= umber of turns.=0A=0AThere are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead= of the IRZF48N you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance b= ut a higher input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to man= y parts. Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise= between low on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Source voltag= e should be 55V for a 12V supply.=0A=0AInstead of RF litz wire (i use this = one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3D= CLI%20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4= mm or what you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less.=0A=0AThe= overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is quite= compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p tests. = Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a multi step sw= itch and more taps.=0A=0AA DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form = or a sine signal coming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matt= er as long as the peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp.=0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A= =0APS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before!=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0AAm 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT: =0AHi again Stefan =0A>=C2=A0 = =0A>The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@(( =0A>=0A>Do = you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be stranded up = to make a synth? =0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>From:= M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=0A>To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22= =0A>Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A>Hi St= efan =0A>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/16= 0818253496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183c= eb8 =0A>Just over =C2=A35 a pop! =0A>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667C= PA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_D= efaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326077 =0A>Just over =C2=A36 a pop! =0A>But w= hat is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=E2= =80=A6 ;0) =0A>Chees Pete FMT =0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r= =C3=A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr=0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>S= ent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42=0A>Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA ru= nning at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>Hello Stephan ,=0A>Me too =0A>73=C2=A0 , Je= an-Pierre F1AFJ=C2=A0 =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3= =A9crit=C2=A0:=0A> =0A>Hi Stephan =0A>>=0A>>Me Too=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>73 es GL = Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org=0A= >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12= =0A>>Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A>> =0A>>=0A>> =0A>= >like =0A>>=0A>>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>>From: Rik Strobbe =0A>= >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:3= 5 AM =0A>>>Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>= >If=C2=A0someone is=C2=A0interested i=C2=A0may=C2=A0convert the circuit=C2= =A0from=C2=A0my=C2=A0mind=C2=A0into a schematic as a=C2=A0png file. =0A>>>= =0A>>>Always=C2=A0interested ;-) =0A>>>=0A>>>73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0ON7YD - OR7= T =0A>>=0A>> =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> ---357169082-633832833-1340969485=:35762 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Rik
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Many thanks for your very useful i= nformation. I hope others find this as well.
Yes I s= aid in an earlier mail what the PA and driver would cost from E-bay (my sup= plier of choice... :o)) but at least they are obtainable.
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The current hold are the Ferrites = or the Iron Dust toriods. This is the usual problem because one black iron = ring looks very much like another. Once you have it in your hands you can d= o a test. What I do is to put a few turns on an unknown core and measure th= e inductance then compare the results with the theoretical value obtained f= rom a range of cores with the same dimensions using "Mini Core" SW. At= the moment I have a source for the T1 core but not the choke. And surprisingly I can't find the T80-2s they were= every where once upon a time. Anyway I do have a variety of cores that wil= l probably do for the O/P filtre. One day I will find a design I = can kit perfectly.
 
I = like your transverter, I am getting torn between projects right now. Q6 / Q= 7 driver as you say can be reproduced for each FET gate cheaply in fact&nbs= p;I have the parts!
 
I will n= ow crawl into my cave and start to build. Thanks to you and Stefan.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:<= /b> Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent:= Friday, 29 June 2012, 8:49
Subject: RE: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
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=0AHello=  Pete,
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I assume that= the more exotic parts are the power FET (IRFZ48N) and the driver IC (ICL7667<= /a>).
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The IRFZ48N is a 55V / 6= 4A / 0.014 Ohm device. For a first try=  you could replace it by far mor= e common IRF460 that is 100V= / 28A= =0A / 0.06 Ohm.
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A bit of reve= rse engineering: Stefan states 50W out= put at 80% efficiency =3D 62.5W inpu= t =3D 5.2A at 12V.
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So with a 28A device you are&nbs= p;on the safe side.
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The larger Ron (0.06 Ohm vs 0.014 Ohm) will (in theory) reduce the efficiency. But 5.2A in 0.014 Ohm is only about 0.4W loss (for a= IRFZ48N). For a IRF460 it=0A is = 5.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D 1.6W loss.
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So the losses<= a href=3D"" rel=3D"nofollow"> (12.5W)= are probably more due to the non perfect switching than due to the Ron of the FETs.
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An alternative for the ICL7667<= a href=3D"" rel=3D"nofollow"> is a TC4426 or a homebrew driver (= see=0Ahttp://www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.= gif/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif).=0A
 
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73,= Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
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Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk]
=0A<= b>Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 20:41
=0AAan: rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org
=0AOnderwerp: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA runnin= g at 12 VDC
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I like this and would like to make to make it. I so far h= ave tracked down most bits but as usual the=0AUnobtainium of so many constructio= n projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no cha= nce of that I suppose?
=0A
 
=0A
There will be thos= e who tell me its easy to get the bits but unless you work for a compa= ny that uses this stuff it can not be slipped through the "Purchasing" = ;it becomes a positive stop!!=0A
=0A
Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min orders = and it said it had over one hundred thousand=0ALitz and promptly =0Acollapsed. But they have one of= the =0Atoro= ids (T1) wow and its not a min order either double wow! =0ALitz can be fabricated from 0.125= Cu/En? =0AHmm it's plaited ?
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Wima<= /span> caps are available from=0AMaplin haven't checked in depth but they usual= ly are.
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I like the idea of using a DDS or <= span id=3D"yiv459361049misspell-10">=0ATransceiver as a= master osc= source div. by four.
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Generally = ;I buy my power =0AFETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be ideal but ar= e cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the width... principle)&n= bsp;and the drivers TC range=0A for slightly more.
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I'll keep s= earching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK source) may be they= could publish it? 
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And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "= New" but in context it is new and worth while thanks!
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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= =0AFrom: Stefan =0ASch=C3=A4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
=0ASent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 1= 6:53
=0ASubject: Re: LF= : Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12=0AVDC
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=0ALate at night, i made draw the s= chematic. Here it is: =0Ahttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475= kHz%20PA.png  (picture of prototype=0A=0Ahttps:/= /dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG)<= br>=0A
=0AMost of the parts are not critical.
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=0AThe ferrite = cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are in the image. But you= may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the primary and secondary numb= er of turns.
=0A
=0AThere are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instea= d of the=0A= IRZF48N you may try a =0AIRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but= a higher input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many = parts. Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise b= etween low on resistance and input capacity while the=0A Drain-Source volta= ge should be 55V for a 12V supply.
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=0AInstead of RF litz wire (i use = this one:=0A=0Ahttp://www.reichelt.de/index.html?= ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1= mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what you have. It just affect= s the efficiency, more or less.
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=0AThe overall dimensions of this= prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is quite compact and since it runs = from a 12V battery you can use it for /p tests. Also you can of course use = more than 2 power steps by using a=0Amulti step switch and more taps.
=0A=0AA DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal comi= ng from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the pea= k input voltage exceeds 5=0AVp.
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=0AThe Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@((=0A
 
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Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E = guess that could be stranded up to make a=0Asynth?
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=0ATo: =0Amailto:r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0Amailto:rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org
=0ASent:= Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22
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Just over =C2= =A35 a pop!
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---357169082-633832833-1340969485=:35762-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 57CDC38000193; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShmE2-0001I2-Q0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:35:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShmE2-0001Ht-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:35:26 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s2.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShmDz-0002BT-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:35:25 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W16 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s2.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:35:21 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group , RSGB Yahoo Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:35:20 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2012 18:35:21.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D798A40:01CD4FDC] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All, As a temporary stop-gap I have changed the I.F. Xtal in my SoftRock 500 kHz receiver so I can use the I.F. plus & minus frequencies.ie. 501 kHz to 509 kHz & 472 kHz to 479 kHz. It may require some frequency correction. The result can be seen on my grabber at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73, Gary - G4WGT. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e8d97158-1414-45e4-883e-7468f98f4723_" Subject: LF: G4WGT Grabber update. X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:322565664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064fe369a234bf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_e8d97158-1414-45e4-883e-7468f98f4723_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=2C As a temporary stop-gap I have changed the I.F. Xtal in my SoftRo= ck 500 kHz receiver so I can use the I.F. plus & minus frequencies.ie. 501 = kHz to 509 kHz & 472 kHz to 479 kHz. It may require some frequency correcti= on. The result can be seen on my grabber at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/w= gtaylor/grabber2.html 73=2C Gary - G4WGT. = --_e8d97158-1414-45e4-883e-7468f98f4723_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All=2C
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As a temporary stop-gap I have changed the I.F. Xt= al in my SoftRock 500 kHz =3Breceiver so I can use the I.F. plus &= =3B minus frequencies.
ie. 501 kHz to 509 kHz &=3B 472 kHz to 479 kHz= . It may require some frequency correction.
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Gary - G4WGT.
= --_e8d97158-1414-45e4-883e-7468f98f4723_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5FF673800009B; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUwP-0005em-OX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:32:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUwP-0005eU-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:32:21 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjUwM-00062h-4g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:32:19 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5QCWH4G017679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:32:17 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QCWGKf011438 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:32:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE9AB62.1040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:30:26 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <36D642DC20944A339A77B05805C821AF@Extensa> In-Reply-To: <36D642DC20944A339A77B05805C821AF@Extensa> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Peter, You will surely have audible reception at that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-) Are you prepared to listen? 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 896f9ee4f10c5db37812c155e804756d Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060408080901030509070307" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:395520768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574fe9abfd5cab X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060408080901030509070307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter, You will surely have audible reception at that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-) Are you prepared to listen? 73, Stefan Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hello ! > http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg > The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - Appingedam - JO33kh > VLF graber: http://www.qsl.net/pa1sdb/ > SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blog.htm > --------------060408080901030509070307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter,

You will surely have audible reception at that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-)
Are you prepared to listen?

73, Stefan

Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter:
Hello !
 
 
The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - Appingedam - JO33kh
 
 
 
--------------060408080901030509070307-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BF459380000B6; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sasev-0000PW-FC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:02:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sasev-0000PN-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:02:41 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Saset-0006eA-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:02:39 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d08 with ME id HW2c1j00B0Lx2rm03W2dXy; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:02:38 +0200 Message-ID: <02F312E3BECE491093465DC96EAF847F@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:02:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Stefan, Yes at the moment its 1-4-1 , I think this has been now for some time , the change to single speed decoding , virtually stopped the false decodes , all bands are single speed, selectable beacon and qso mode. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430644608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fca55723c40 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Ok Stefan, Yes at the moment its 1-4-1 , I think this has been now for some time , the change to single speed decoding , virtually stopped the false decodes , all bands are single speed, selectable beacon and qso mode. 136 is provided with two beacon speeds only , OP8 and OP32 , changing mode , changes the frequency band. monitoring is one speed only . It is possible to simply run 2 Op sessions , one set to say OP8 and the other OP32 , or for other bands , one set to beacon , the other qso mode. CPU loading , from recent posts > Single core 1.7 gig laptop with 2 gig ram and winxp (fujitsu siemens lifebook s series) is reported by dg9bfc as running ok, I find my old P4 3.2 ghz pc shows 25/35% cpu loading .. Eddie reports his 1.6GHz Atom Processor Sammy Netbook, is running Op no problems 73 -G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:38 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: Opera... > PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX line > (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? > > 73, Stefan > > Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Schfer: >> G.., LF, >> >> What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? >> What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2D59B38000097; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 05:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbq40-0002pi-0i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:28:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbq3z-0002pZ-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:28:31 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbq3x-0001SC-CJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:28:30 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlUFAOnKzU9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFnlwDhQCQU4EIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCgMJGRQBBBoGDAoIBhMKAQICAQENhXOBbAMPrVINiU6KM2AaBYJPgyIDiA2FMJJZhHuCYIFYB4E+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="388337302" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 10:28:28 +0100 Message-ID: <002d01cd42fd$900c80b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net><4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de><4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net><77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk><517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk><4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><016101cd427d$7f76f4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:28:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get anything from the list on the left of page. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:10 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: a32b10ac5c14008078455df469dc45d3 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD42FD.8FDA7430" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:513814880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad14fcdd16d3e19 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD42FD.8FDA7430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get = anything from the list on the left of page.=20 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:10 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Mal, =20 Thanks, interesting point. I can see that you are a member, but on my = admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. Without this = you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, = etc. =20 I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a Yahoo = ID, but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the = formalities. =20 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton wrote: John With my talktalk email account, I cannot access any of the options = that you specify. a Gmail account might be different g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Stefan,=20 I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo = account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and = that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised = by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =20 I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll = on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =20 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer = wrote: Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a = yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging = the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts = that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to = codeterminate in this process. My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group = compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, = where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before = the voting period ends. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD42FD.8FDA7430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com
This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I=20 still  cannot get anything from the list on the left of page. =
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 = 9:10=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black = Sheep

Mal,  

Thanks, interesting point.  I can see that you are a member, = but on=20 my admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. =  Without this=20 you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, = etc.=20  

I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a = Yahoo ID,=20 but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the = formalities.=20  

73 John, G3WKL


On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
With my talktalk email account,  I = cannot access=20 any of the options that you specify. a Gmail account might be=20 different
g3kev
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From: = John Gould
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 3:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black=20 Sheep

Stefan,=20

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a = yahoo=20 account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail = account and=20 that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group = with your=20 Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be = authorised by one=20 of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a = poll on=20 the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they = voted.=20  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=20 wrote:
Hi=20 Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list = but=20 without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This=20 situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind = those who=20 are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside = the=20 poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote = is pro=20 blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As = long as the=20 two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to = win and=20 the other will be shut down after some time.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive = Lorton:
If=20 you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting=20 period ends.
 =20 =



------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD42FD.8FDA7430-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 33A1438000089; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sk0pR-0003YX-RI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:35:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.34] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sk0pR-0003YO-8Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:35:17 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sk0pO-0001HI-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:35:15 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5RMZCtv016722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:35:12 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5RMZClS025405 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:35:12 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:33:19 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay2.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input power must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can be switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is not so critical, Z=R may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The FETs are IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer uses RF litz wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort for optimising the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm. The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF power. The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this measurement. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443685632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4feb8ae306b3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input power must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can be switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is not so critical, Z=R may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The FETs are IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer uses RF litz wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort for optimising the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm. The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF power. The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this measurement. If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file. 73, Stefan/DK7FC https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4C3C1380000DA; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkiIm-0002zi-Q7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:00:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkiIm-0002zZ-C4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:00:28 +0100 Received: from smtp25.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.119]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkiIk-000084-P7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:00:27 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2506.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BC91A70000A8; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:00:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.75] (197.251.137.88.rev.sfr.net [88.137.251.197]) by msfrf2506.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8CE5F700008E; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:00:25 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20120629210025577.8CE5F700008E@msfrf2506.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4FEE172B.1050002@virgilio.it> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:59:23 +0200 From: Claudio Girardi MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, if I understood correctly, the datasheet says that the impedance is 18 kohm if you use the red and green wires and 500 ohm if you use the yellow and green ones; so you should load both sides with 18 kohm in your case, or change taps. Then you should also load the filter with the exact capacitance values printed on its ends, connected between the red and green wires. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [93.17.128.119 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (claudio.girardi[at]virgilio.it) X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:413471296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4fee17983214 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, if I understood correctly, the datasheet says that the impedance is 18=20 kohm if you use the red and green wires and 500 ohm if you use the=20 yellow and green ones; so you should load both sides with 18 kohm in=20 your case, or change taps. Then you should also load the filter with the exact capacitance values=20 printed on its ends, connected between the red and green wires. Regards, Claudio On 06/29/2012 10:26 PM, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: > > The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and gree= n > wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and > green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and re= d > wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. > Helpful was this image from the web > http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which > shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the > output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as > stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 63845380000CC; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sju5u-0001Z9-9a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:23:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sju5t-0001Z0-S8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:23:49 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sju5s-0005Tu-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:23:48 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.46.64]) by mwinf5d48 with ME id TTPk1j00G1P50sJ03TPkma; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:23:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4CBF3FCDC1074B55ADDA1EDC1E7F43EF@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> <1340788675.17913.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340788675.17913.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:23:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120627-0, 27/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: VALVES give better sound , just the thing for playing OPERA on G.. From: M0FMT Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 11963a33d604c33786d8f1de94ce267f Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD5481.388ECF10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482947072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4feb25b610fd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD5481.388ECF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable VALVES give better sound , just the thing for playing OPERA = on=20 G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Hi all Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera keyer design and = software with HEX code. It works a treat. It has been keying a test oscillator for a day now. Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output 500kc/s 6CL6 = valve TX on into a LW 35ft up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting = 500kc/s USB. Don=E2=80=99t laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the past. 73 Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD5481.388ECF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
VALVES    give  better sound , just   = the =20 thing  for  playing  OPERA  on
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM
Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST = tonight

Hi all
Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera = keyer design=20 and software with HEX code.
 It works a = treat.  It has been keying a test = oscillator for=20 a day now.
Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output =  500kc/s 6CL6 valve TX on into a = LW 35ft=20 up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting 500kc/s=20 USB.
Don=E2=80=99t laugh it has made PA land on the limit in = the=20 past.
73 Pete M0FMT  IO91UX
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CD5481.388ECF10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E748538000098; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYdY-0004I5-Vr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:52:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYdY-0004Hw-JC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:52:04 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbYdQ-00078X-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:52:03 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q54Ept3o011142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:51:55 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q54Ept1M028242 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:51:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:50:25 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 1f795a2ee1ecd56682b47ad11969b3d3 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446722080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fcccbc87d9c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process. My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: > If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB577380000A6; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkVxe-00015k-AT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:49:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkVxd-00015b-DQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:49:49 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkVxY-0002Tg-FR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:49:48 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: D86041280B8.A5D01 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-1e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.33]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86041280B8 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:49:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D368E404B for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:49:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::a470:76b3:406d:2b1a%27]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:49:40 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Thread-Index: AQHNVLVvT1lBO+I1rUqNFPjXeBH7jZcPRkhY///6WgCAAAa1AIAAAZwAgAALNoCAAAajgIAAZnWAgAAvG4CAAPcTjQ== Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:49:40 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB71D7@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC18F4.9050608@online.fr> <1340875355.96079.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1340876781.29716.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC7DDF.8050906@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<1340908899.62897.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340908899.62897.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.13] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Pete, I assume that the more exotic parts are the power FET (IRFZ48N) and the driver IC (ICL7667). The IRFZ48N is a 55V / 64A / 0.014 Ohm device. For a first try you could replace it by far more common IRF460 that is 100V / 28A / 0.06 Ohm. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4c1b3a9525cea91d9a699b8982ee892f Subject: RE: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB71D7ICTSSMBX5lunaku_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:499386912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814fed5e5a2bb4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB71D7ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Pete, I assume that the more exotic parts are the power FET (IRFZ48N) and the dri= ver IC (ICL7667). The IRFZ48N is a 55V / 64A / 0.014 Ohm device. For a first try you could re= place it by far more common IRF460 that is 100V / 28A / 0.06 Ohm. A bit of reverse engineering: Stefan states 50W output at 80% efficiency = =3D 62.5W input =3D 5.2A at 12V. So with a 28A device you are on the safe side. The larger Ron (0.06 Ohm vs 0.014 Ohm) will (in theory) reduce the efficien= cy. But 5.2A in 0.014 Ohm is only about 0.4W loss (for a IRFZ48N). For a IR= F460 it is 5.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D 1.6W loss. So the losses (12.5W) are probably more due to the non perfect switching th= an due to the Ron of the FETs. An alternative for the ICL7667 is a TC4426 or a homebrew driver (see http:/= /www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk] Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 20:41 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Stefan I like this and would like to make to make it. I so far have tracked down m= ost bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many construction projects that= fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no chance of that I s= uppose? There will be those who tell me its easy to get the bits but unless you wor= k for a company that uses this stuff it can not be slipped through the "Pur= chasing" it becomes a positive stop!! Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min orders and= it said it had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly collapsed. But = they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order either double= wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En? Hmm it's plaited ? Wima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in depth but they usual= ly are. I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. b= y four. Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be id= eal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the wid= th... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more. I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK source) = may be they could publish it? And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is new a= nd worth while thanks! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=E4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 16:53 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi MF, Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.co= m/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png (picture of prototype https://dl.dr= opbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG) Most of the parts are not critical. The ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are in th= e image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the primary an= d secondary number of turns. There are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N you m= ay try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher input cap= acity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts. Switching ti= mes are not critical. So you need to find a compromise between low on resis= tance and input capacity while the Drain-Source voltage should be 55V for a= 12V supply. Instead of RF litz wire (i use this one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?= ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm d= iam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what you have. It just affects th= e efficiency, more or less. The overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is qu= ite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p test= s. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a multi step= switch and more taps. A DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal coming f= rom a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the peak in= put voltage exceeds 5 Vp. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before! Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT: Hi again Stefan The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@(( Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be stranded = up to make a synth? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Stefan http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/16081825349= 6?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8 Just over =A35 a pop! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-8-= DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326077 Just over =A36 a pop! But what is the =93Unobtainium=94 ferrite? =85=85 ;0) Chees Pete FMT From: Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hello Stephan , Me too 73 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =E9crit : Hi Stephan Me Too 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12 Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC like ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a sche= matic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB71D7ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Pete,<= /font>

 

I assume that the more exo= tic parts are the power FET (IRFZ48N)= and the driver IC (ICL7667).

The IRFZ48N is a 55V / 64A= / 0.014 Ohm device. For a first try&= nbsp;you could replace it b= y far more common IRF460 th= at is 100V / 28A / 0.06 Ohm.

A bit of reverse engineering: Stefan s= tates 50W output at 80% efficiency =3D 62.5W= input =3D 5.2A at 12V.

So with a&nb= sp;28A device you are on the saf= e side.

The larger Ron (0.06 Ohm vs 0.0= 14 Ohm) will (in theory) reduce the efficien= cy. But 5.2A in 0.014 Ohm is only = about 0.4W loss (for a IRFZ48N). For a&nbs= p;IRF460 it is 5.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D 1.6W loss.

So the losses<= a> (12.5W) are probably more due to the = non perfect switching than due to the R= on of the FETs.

An alternative for the ICL7667 is a TC4426 or<= a> a homebrew driver (see http://www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transv= erter_full.gif).

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk]
Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 20:41
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
 
I like this and would like to make to make it. = I so far have tracked down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many constr= uction projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ n= o chance of that I suppose?
 
There will be those who tell me its easy to get= the bits but unless you work for a company that uses this stuff it ca= n not be slipped through the "Purchasing" it becomes a posit= ive stop!!
Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min orders and = it said it had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated f= rom 0.125 Cu/En?  Hmm it's plaited ?
Wima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in dep= th but they usually are.
 
I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source div. by four.
 
Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap!= ! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the wi= dth... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more.
 
I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kit= ting list (UK source) may be they could publish it? 
 
And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New&= quot; but in context it is new and worth while thanks!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX<= br>
 
From: Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 201= 2, 16:53
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 47= 2 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi MF,

Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png  (pict= ure of prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JP= G)

Most of the parts are not critical.

The ferrite cores are the blue EPCO= S types, N30 material. Details are in the image. But you may use a F= T140-77 alternatively and double the primary and secondary number of turns.=

There are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher input capac= ity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts. Switching time= s are not critical. So you need to find a compromise between low on resista= nce and input capacity while the Drain-Source voltage should be 55V for a 12V supply.

Instead of RF litz wire (i u= se this one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI%2= 0200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4m= m or what you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less.

The overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is qu= ite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p test= s. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a multi step switch and more t= aps.

A DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal coming f= rom a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the peak in= put voltage exceeds 5 Vp.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before!






Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb= M0FMT:
Hi again Stefan
 
The Litz is too, = only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@((
 
Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be stra= nded up to make a synth?

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO9= 1UX
From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 201= 2, 10:22
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 47= 2 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
Just over =A35 a pop!
Just over =A36 a pop!
But what is the =93Unobtainium=94 ferrite?   =85=85 ;0)
Ch= ees Pete FMT
   From: Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 = mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 201= 2, 9:42
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 47= 2 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hello Stephan ,
Me too
73  , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ 



Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =E9= crit :
Hi Stephan
 
Me Too

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 201= 2, 9:12
Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kH= z PA running at 12 VDC

like
 
----- Original Message -----
From: = Rik Strobbe
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 A= M
Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running = at 12 VDC

If someone is in= terested i may convert the circuit from my mind&nb= sp;into a schematic as a png file.
 
Always interested ;-)
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T










--_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB71D7ICTSSMBX5lunaku_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C6730380000AF; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScgUG-0003Sq-2u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:27:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScgUF-0003Sh-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:27:07 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScgUC-0003D7-V9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:27:06 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 6A8431380DD.AD259 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-1e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.33]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8431380DD for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:27:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B1A64040 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:26:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::f5f7:d8cc:bee0:28d3%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:26:54 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Thread-Index: AQHNRLfk7SG7APXUC0+xc7OyaOLnEpbvGtur Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 17:26:53 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C693974@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.12] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.129 (rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, 579 on my 500kHz antenna (11m high, 25m long lazy-L tuned at 500kHz) and weak but clear copy on a 2m indoor wire. The only signal that was stronger here was HE3OM. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 2e2f7cbbe9f38dd7bf3fac4fc012e6fc Subject: LF: RE: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:420542528:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4fd0e4ad7200 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, 579 on my 500kHz antenna (11m high, 25m long lazy-L tuned at 500kHz) and we= ak but clear copy on a 2m indoor wire. The only signal that was stronger here was HE3OM. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: donderdag 7 juni 2012 16:10 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz LF! I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN :-) In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=3D50&customRange=3D137 so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! 73, Stefan/DK7FC= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB188380001D4; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShOlC-0003Ve-9e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:32:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShOlB-0003VV-RX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:32:05 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShOlA-0004zQ-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:32:04 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5KHW3r9032679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:32:03 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5KHW3ae009349 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:32:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE208A9.1050403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:30:17 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CF1CEB6E3DA560-2320-13390@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CF1CEB6E3DA560-2320-13390@Webmail-d122.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Markus, Oh, that looks nice, thanks for the info. I already thought that i probably still have much to learn about SpecLab. Well, i don't use an IQ input here, that's why SDRadio is not my choice anyway ( i thought it can be configured for an mono input). [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4f449c45f7b1894a9195a328eedaeb30 Subject: Re: LF: ... SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010508060801080804030405" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:384764768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fe2094c129d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010508060801080804030405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Markus, Oh, that looks nice, thanks for the info. I already thought that i probably still have much to learn about SpecLab. Well, i don't use an IQ input here, that's why SDRadio is not my choice anyway ( i thought it can be configured for an mono input). Now i'm running the "SAQrcvr1.usr". Looks promising BUT: How do i have to program (interpreter commands) SpecLab so that i can move the filter over the band with the scroll wheel of the mouse? Maybe interesting for others as well, so i'm asking here... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 20.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester: > Hi Stefan, > as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, you > can define a marker which lets you pull the FFT filter frequency with > the mouse. > In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the FFT filter used to crash > with complex I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the recent b08. > Thanks Wolf, works like a charm ;-) > Best 73, > Markus > --------------010508060801080804030405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5KHW3r9032679 Hello Markus,

Oh, that looks nice, thanks for the info. I already thought that i probably still have much to learn about SpecLab.
Well, i don't use an IQ input here, that's why SDRadio is not my choice anyway ( i thought it can be configured for an mono input).

Now i'm running the "SAQrcvr1.usr". Looks promising BUT: How do i have to program (interpreter commands) SpecLab so that i can move the filter over the band with the scroll wheel of the mouse? Maybe interesting for others as well, so i'm asking here...

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 20.06.2012 13:03, schrieb Markus Vester:
Hi Stefan,
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as shown in the "SAQrcvr1.usr" setup which comes with SpecLab, you can=C2=A0define a marker which lets you=C2=A0pull=C2=A0the FFT=C2=A0f= ilter frequency with the mouse.
=C2=A0
In some older versions (eg V2.78 b04), the FFT=C2=A0filter=C2=A0us= ed to crash with=C2=A0complex=C2=A0I/Q input, but this has been fixed in the re= cent b08. Thanks Wolf, works like a charm ;-)
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Best 73,
Markus
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(VPS 120621-0, 21/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather here either :-(( The problem with unconventional "shapes" is you will have to just try 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing ground loss as the most effective use of time and effort. Best done by measurement, and not urban myths :-)) Thats why I always plug a simple transformer coupled bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges have never worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-)) I feel closer to the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" right. It is the classic substitution measurement with passive references. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.90 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: cdd2770020a136d9631c7b77577b7e9a Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01CD4FF0.BCF4FD50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81642 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:415418560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-a403.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b4fe381847cd0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01CD4FF0.BCF4FD50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0096_01CD4FF0.BCF4FD50" ------=_NextPart_001_0096_01CD4FF0.BCF4FD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather here either :-(( The problem with unconventional "shapes" is you will have to just try = 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing ground loss as the most = effective use of time and effort. Best done by measurement, and not = urban myths :-)) Thats why I always plug a simple transformer coupled = bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges have never = worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also = like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-)) I feel = closer to the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, = even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I = learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" right. It is the classic = substitution measurement with passive references. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? R Alan. Horizontal spread ......missing at the moment ... will have = another look out side , when the rain stops , horizontal open = box may be possible ..just=20 Tnx -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter too much :-)) The thing is to get as much wire as high as possible. Yes fold it = back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 feet dont add much over a = single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce = the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly = the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) = will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to = increase the radiation resistance. Your diagram is difficult to read but running one of the wires = directly under another will be of no benefit and may be worse than not = having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at least = 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the idea. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: LF: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Any thoughts on the best configuration for the top wire ?? Tnx -G, ------=_NextPart_001_0096_01CD4FF0.BCF4FD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather = here either=20 :-((
The problem with unconventional = "shapes" is you=20 will have to just try 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing = ground=20 loss as the most effective use of time and effort. Best done by = measurement,=20 and not urban myths :-))  Thats why I always plug a simple = transformer=20 coupled bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges = have never=20 worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also = like=20 bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-))  I feel = closer to=20 the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, even if I = dont=20 get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I learnt to sense = when the=20 measurement "feels" right. It is the classic substitution measurement = with=20 passive references.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 6:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top = wire=20 config - Best Option ??

R Alan.
 
Horizontal  spread  ......missing  at the  = moment=20 ...  will  have  another  look  out  = side =20 , when the  rain  stops ,  horizontal   = open =20 box may  be  possible ..just
 
Tnx -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter = too=20 much  :-))
The thing is to get as much wire as = high as=20 possible. Yes fold it back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 = feet dont=20 add much over a single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember = this may=20 reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase = slightly=20 the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage=20 points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to=20 ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) will = probably=20 halve you ground losses. It will do very little to increase the = radiation=20 resistance.
 
Your diagram is difficult to read but = running one=20 of the wires directly under another will be of no benefit and may be = worse=20 than not having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull = it at=20 least 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the=20 idea.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
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From:=20 Graham
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 4:17=20 PM
Subject: LF: InV L Top wire = config -=20 Best Option ??

InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best = Option=20 ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  configuration  = for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
Tnx -G,
 
 
 
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Content preview: I think some careful thought should go into the bandplanning to avoid a conflict of modes especially those that want to QSO as opposed to those unattended Beacon qrm generators in any mode. ie REPEATIVE CW, QRSS, OPERA and other data modes. also some countries might not get the full allocation and might need a different slot for their chosed mode. de G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: c1295c176f29281d31cecda7e6248180 Subject: LF: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4AF8.0F0764A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:495122048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fdb34541f9f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4AF8.0F0764A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think some careful thought should go into the bandplanning to avoid a = conflict of modes especially those that want to QSO as opposed to those = unattended Beacon qrm generators in any mode. ie REPEATIVE CW, QRSS, = OPERA and other data modes.=20 also some countries might not get the full allocation and might need a = different slot for their chosed mode. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Dennison=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ? =20 I agree there should be thought given to bandplanning. Where, for=20 instance, should I set my QRSS receiver? However, the band is 7kHz wide and the suggestion to "go 1k up may=20 be , 473 dial to give room for cw etc" would in fact give just 2.2kHz=20 of the band for what will presumably be the most popular mode.=20 Currently the two modes of the 500kHz version of Opera occupies from=20 1.2kHz to 1.8kHz above dial frequency. I think we need first to look at how much each mode might occupy. A=20 useful division might be 3.8kHz for CW, 0.2Hz for QRSS (perhaps in=20 two wide-spaced sub-bands) and 3kHz for all "data" (machine-read=20 modes including Opera). There is an argument that any mode involving=20 beacons (including some uses of QRSS and Opera) should be widely=20 separated from two-way QSOs. Lower bandwidth modes should be nearer the band edge. Perhaps 'DX'=20 modes should avoid the active NDB frequencies - say between 476 and=20 478kHz. Currently, it seems that Opera had a dial frequency of 500kHz, and=20 the 1.2kHz below it has some QRSS activity (eg IQ2MI). That sort of=20 arrangement may work on 472kHz provided the Opera allocaton does not=20 eventually migrate as it did on 137kHz. Perhaps in the short term there should be allocated (or at least=20 agreed) frequencies with an understanding by all that there will need=20 to be adjustments eventually. All food for thought. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Well , could set the lower band edge frequency , that fits in with > using USB, puts signal 1.4Khz inside the band .. or do we need to go > 1k up may be , 473 dial to give room for cw etc ? >=20 > G. >=20 > --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, Rik Strobbe > wrote: > > Either the upper or lower band end ? > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD > - OR7T > > > > ________________________________ > Van: > rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] > namens graham787 [g0nbd@...] > Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 2:13 > > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk > Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] New > Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ? > > > > New QRG for 472 Khz Band > > > Suggestions needed for a QRG for the new 472 KHz band > Dial set USB > frequency , taking into account other band users ! > > Tnx - G > >=20 >=20 >=20 __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (4)=20 Recent Activity: a.. 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I think some careful thought should go into the=20 bandplanning to avoid a conflict of modes especially those that want to = QSO as=20 opposed to those unattended Beacon qrm generators in any mode. ie = REPEATIVE=20 CW, QRSS, OPERA and other data modes. 
also some countries might not get the full = allocation and=20 might need a different slot for their chosed mode.
 de G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mike=20 Dennison
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz = Band=20 ?

  =

I agree there should be thought given to bandplanning. Where, for=20
instance, should I set my QRSS receiver?

However, the band is = 7kHz=20 wide and the suggestion to "go 1k up may
be , 473 dial to give room = for cw=20 etc" would in fact give just 2.2kHz
of the band for what will = presumably be=20 the most popular mode.
Currently the two modes of the 500kHz version = of=20 Opera occupies from
1.2kHz to 1.8kHz above dial frequency.

I = think we=20 need first to look at how much each mode might occupy. A
useful = division=20 might be 3.8kHz for CW, 0.2Hz for QRSS (perhaps in
two wide-spaced=20 sub-bands) and 3kHz for all "data" (machine-read
modes including = Opera).=20 There is an argument that any mode involving
beacons (including some = uses of=20 QRSS and Opera) should be widely
separated from two-way = QSOs.

Lower=20 bandwidth modes should be nearer the band edge. Perhaps 'DX'
modes = should=20 avoid the active NDB frequencies - say between 476 and=20
478kHz.

Currently, it seems that Opera had a dial frequency = of=20 500kHz, and
the 1.2kHz below it has some QRSS activity (eg IQ2MI). = That sort=20 of
arrangement may work on 472kHz provided the Opera allocaton does = not=20
eventually migrate as it did on 137kHz.

Perhaps in the short = term=20 there should be allocated (or at least
agreed) frequencies with an=20 understanding by all that there will need
to be adjustments=20 eventually.

All food for thought.
Mike,=20 G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

> Well , could set = the lower band edge frequency=20 , that fits in with
> using USB, puts signal 1.4Khz inside the = band .. or=20 do we need to go
> 1k up may be , 473 dial to give room for cw etc = ?
>
> G.
>
> --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogrou= ps.co.uk,=20 Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@...>
> wrote: > > Either the = upper or=20 lower band end ? > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD
> - OR7T > = > >=20 > ________________________________ > Van:
> rsgb_lf_group@yahoogrou= ps.co.uk=20 [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogrou= ps.co.uk]
>=20 namens graham787 [g0nbd@...] > Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 2:13=20 >
> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogrou= ps.co.uk=20 > Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] New
> Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ? = >=20 > > > New QRG for 472 Khz Band > >
> Suggestions = needed for=20 a QRG for the new 472 KHz band > Dial set USB
> frequency , = taking into=20 account other band users ! > > Tnx - G >
>
> =
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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4AF8.0F0764A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E54CF38000082; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShrN2-00039X-26 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:05:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShrN1-00039O-9a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:05:03 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShrMz-0005kH-Az for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:05:02 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5M05045026765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 22 Jun 2012 02:05:00 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5M0506P012041; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 02:05:00 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE3B641.2000709@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 02:03:13 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D." References: <4FE39E8E.8000301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <41D4AB78ABB34782B413399ED4F3481A@gnat> In-Reply-To: <41D4AB78ABB34782B413399ED4F3481A@gnat> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5M05045026765 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Alan, What do you think about the remaining signal of DCF39 after the sunset? Is it really DCF39? Or a local QRM line? I once took a recording and reprocessed it here on my PC. I saw there is a local line (without the data bursts) but it was some Hz below DCF. Since the receive system is reasonable stable (drift < 0.1 Hz) i reduced the frequency range for detecting the signal level for the DCF plot to a BW of 1 Hz. Anyway there appears a trace which is > -30 dB below the night peak but anyway visible. Realistic? That path is almost completely over water. In some days you can even see the steps of S/N reduction due to the sunrise in the reflection zones. At least it looks like that.. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 32d4aaaf019758ff5a0d8e92eec683e6 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:365419328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fe3b6e80d8a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Alan, What do you think about the remaining signal of DCF39 after the sunset?=20 Is it really DCF39? Or a local QRM line? I once took a recording and=20 reprocessed it here on my PC. I saw there is a local line (without the=20 data bursts) but it was some Hz below DCF. Since the receive system is=20 reasonable stable (drift < 0.1 Hz) i reduced the frequency range for=20 detecting the signal level for the DCF plot to a BW of 1 Hz. Anyway=20 there appears a trace which is > -30 dB below the night peak but anyway=20 visible. Realistic? That path is almost completely over water. In some=20 days you can even see the steps of S/N reduction due to the sunrise in=20 the reflection zones. At least it looks like that.. With a receive loop in winther i think even G3KEV has a chance to appear=20 there ;-) For winther i expect at least a 10 dB S/N improvement, maybe=20 rather 20 dB. A loop which cancels the noise from the southern=20 hemisphere, many stations will have good chances to appear in SA i think. 73, Stefan Am 22.06.2012 01:46, schrieb Alan Melia: > Hi Stefan, this is a function of propagation, I think. It depends on=20 > where the interference originates. Because there is virtually no=20 > skywave propagation in the "sunrise dip", no noise is propagated by=20 > skywave (> 1000km) from the east. Where you live you have large cities=20 > all round you. We get this effect on the edge of Europe as the=20 > daylight kills the night-time propgation of noise fron the East (there=20 > a few big cities or industrial noise sources for 3000 km W of Ireland > :-)) ) > > It was thought at first that this would be the best time for DX, but=20 > despite trying it didnt work out that way. Mike G3XDV and Brian CT1DRP=20 > tried quite hard..... but eventually made the qso mid morning, when=20 > the noise was up again due to increases in daytime skywave!! That is=20 > if I remember correctly.....it fascinated me as I was just getting=20 > interested in LF long distance propagation around then. We found=20 > evening effects in Nova Scotia and I believe similar effects were=20 > reported by John W1TAG and Jay W1VD who are very close to the US East=20 > Coast. > > Alan > G3NYK > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 > > To: ; "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D."=20 > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:22 PM > Subject: LF: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes > > >> Hello Martin, LF, >> >> I'm fascinated by the noise drop on LF which occurs during your=20 >> sunrise. On your grabber=20 >> (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), i can=20 >> see the noise drops 15 dB within 20 minutes. That means the sun must=20 >> be very strong so the ionosphere is very quickly ionized. Also the=20 >> local lightning density must be extreme. All in all it looks like a=20 >> very sensitive system. But some directivity would be interesting :-) >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> PS: I will be on 136.172 kHz again this night, starting in a few=20 >> minutes... >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0354438000207; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbtVV-000510-Ug for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:09:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbtVV-00050p-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:09:09 +0100 Received: from smtp1web.tin.it ([212.216.176.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbtVT-0002Hp-1N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:09:08 +0100 Received: from fep-mail-web-l2b.virgilio.net (212.48.20.162) by smtp1web.tin.it (8.6.023.02) id 4ECA1AC40335599A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:09:05 +0200 Message-ID: <137bcc34f21.marcocadeddu@tin.it> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:09:05 +0200 (CEST) From: "marcocadeddu@tin.it" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 81.201.7.62 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello LF, I do like to notify my will keeping in mind the attached message of Federico. My vote is yes for blacksheep. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.216.176.195 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (marcocadeddu[at]tin.it) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: bf9cd6b3d49c805062abf73a1027fea8 Subject: LF: Vote Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470058976:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4fce052924e1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello LF, I do like to notify my will keeping in mind the attached message of Federico. My vote is yes for blacksheep. 73 and CU on the LF Marco, IK1HSS P.S. hope that the flow of messages stops P.S.S. although I took the occasion and subscribed the yahoo group I do not care if I'able or I can vote there: if the subscribers to blacksheep have to decide if this group has to stay alive why vote on yahoo? ---- Messaggio originale---- Da: ea2hb@telefonica.net Data: 5-giu-2012 8.10 AM A: Ogg: Re: LF: general Dear Friends, I have only 72 years, of which only 57 as a ham. At this time, I've seen enough to conclude that: A. - Amateur radio is a prestigious industry honor that we belong. B. - The amateur radio encompasses many facets. C. - In addition to the technical aspects and communication, there are other very important as coordination, knowledge dissemination, etc. D. - In the field of coordination, I have seen too many leaders, forgetting the basics of amateur radio, seek collective orientation toward goals that look more like herding a flock of which are to be installed as chiefs. E. - Blacksheep.org, is a sector that is working very well. F. - I find it to be installed other discussion forums. G. - What positive is that something that works, is absorbed or replaced by something new which operate profitably be seen ?. H. - Conclusion: Follow Blacksheep and whoever other forums that prestigie. I. - This is not an amateur radio discussion obviously. 73 of Federico EA2HB ----- Original Message ----- From: "IK1WVQ Mauro" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: general > > > ... BASTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! > > > 73 de Mauro IK1WVQ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0CA3C380000AD; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeueF-0004OK-Fp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:58:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeueE-0004OB-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:58:38 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeueC-0005yE-Pk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:58:37 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Jun 2012 20:58:35 -0000 Received: from p5B394830.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.72.48] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 13 Jun 2012 22:58:35 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18/V3hjVsM/dyR6w63gF0a0drNBXtQi3gxnvp4V9W oY7pkjXcAtfsOp Message-ID: <003a01cd49a7$4c7c40f0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> <002701cd49a0$0b38cfc0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:58:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: You were S9 and the beacon modulation tone S7. >Nw QSY 474.- This would be the carrier qrg of 'BIA'. But I hear u nw on 472.492 peaking S8. This channel is free. :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.23 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 0a8bac5594b583e1d7c1e245a9e3ea16 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD49B8.0E97EC60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425129440:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fd8ff2c26cf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD49B8.0E97EC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You were S9 and the beacon modulation tone S7. >Nw QSY 474.- This would be the carrier qrg of 'BIA'. But I hear u nw on 472.492 peaking S8. This channel is free. :-) 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ---- Original Message ----- From: Walter Staubach To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:18 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Tnx Clemens fer info es report. Nw QSY 474. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:06 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz Walter, I can copy your cq call on 472.99kHz,but you are exactly on the qrg of the ndb beacon 'BIA',Poland. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Staubach To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:29 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 utc I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not yet ok. 73 Walter DJ2LF/DI2AG From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 khz MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on this band. or If you want a contact let me know I am active most days de Mal/g3kev E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5065 - Ausgabedatum: 12.06.2012 E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5067 - Ausgabedatum: 13.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD49B8.0E97EC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You were S9 and the beacon = modulation tone=20 S7.
 
>Nw QSY 474.-
 
This would be the carrier qrg of=20 'BIA'.
But I hear u nw on 472.492 peaking = S8.
This channel is free. :-)
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
---- Original Message -----
From:=20 Walter Staubach
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 = 10:18=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 = khz

Tnx Clemens fer info es report. Nw = QSY=20 474.
73
Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clemens = Paul
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 10:06=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz =

Walter,
 
I can copy your cq call on = 472.99kHz,but=20 you are exactly on the qrg of the ndb beacon
'BIA',Poland.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Walter Staubach =
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 5:29=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz =

Mal, let us make our QSO at 21=20 utc
I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx = not yet=20 ok.
73  Walter = DJ2LF/DI2AG
 
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 4:25=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 khz =

MF operators
I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 = for German=20 and others active on this band.
or
If you want a contact let me = know
I am active most days
de Mal/g3kev
 
 

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD49B8.0E97EC60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 35289380000A3; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 05:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb7GS-0005LM-RM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:38:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb7GS-0005LD-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:38:24 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb7GQ-0000Vx-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:38:23 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlIJAEowy09cHnn1/2dsb2JhbABFsncEgSSBCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDQQgCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBDASHZQmoS40NixECTIIsgxYDjT2XVIJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,707,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="383056420" Received: from host-92-30-121-245.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.121.245]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 10:38:21 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:38:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious problems with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small attachments and for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked well this has been pointed out by others. I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get more adverts that I do not need. Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:382071008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064fcb30cb14a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none John Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious problems with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small attachments and for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked well this has been pointed out by others. I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get more adverts that I do not need. Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status > To John, G3WKL, > > Please do NOT shut down this reflector. > > 1. It's active in positive sense. > > 2. There are too many hams here who say > "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven > Brave New World were each posting will be > "googleable" for ever. Me too. > > That's the reason I unsubscribed from > some Yapoo-Groups recently. > > 73 Peter, df3lp > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7ABFD38000345; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShSUg-0004n0-0M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:31:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShSUf-0004mr-8m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:31:17 +0100 Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShSUb-0006mF-RC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:31:16 +0100 Received: from mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.195]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5KLV9Vi026269 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:31:09 -0400 Received: from White (nrbg-4dbfa27a.pool.mediaWays.net [77.191.162.122]) by mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id ECAABE0000FA for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:31:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340227869; bh=w2QXSKaOZ3vOU3kZPrdox6PNjRfDLnQ/3RXX4/JHih8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MYoUirthu3yBTlHbOVqu/tzJTbW3lTBJjOcTOCEzNx0axt60m3tDDSRy79X7ergJw MiW6JOs53Vg5mQpIglNvFeXxZqQJ5GNfHmuRhRTWG79ymk7rRiiaRbL2tQtJUJJQSk YP2EebPvLb4710jL5Mvjes/gSdfpyaCteRhOEQa4= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:404471456:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete, fascinating stuff... There's a Terratec stick somewhere in this house and I'd love to try this IF-recording thing. But as I have zero Linux background, is there a way to run something like RTL-SDR under Windows? [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.105.144 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: 49da477724dcbe37f1e9a7ff55a3b02e Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD4F3C.C264CB30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:442691392:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m023.1 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fe2416e5374 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD4F3C.C264CB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete, fascinating stuff...=20 There's a Terratec stick somewhere in this house and I'd love to try = this IF-recording thing. But as I have zero Linux background, is there a = way to run something like RTL-SDR under Windows? Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:40 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app and = ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 = (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK = source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg = O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v = into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound = card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB = supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software = is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting software = for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to get = started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link to = sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time to = learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD4F3C.C264CB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pete, fascinating stuff... =
 
There's a Terratec stick somewhere in = this house=20 and I'd love to try this IF-recording thing. But as I = have zero=20 Linux background, is there a way to run something like=20 RTL-SDR under Windows?
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:40 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi=20 all
Save=20 those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they will = be around. Try=20 HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  BorIP=20 app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultra-cheap=20 Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB = stick.
These=20 DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK source = and cover about=20 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the cheap way = or=20 expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or similar = block=20 mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF = coverage for=20 peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna. =
Oh=20 and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with record=20 facility and all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80=99s not = enough all your=20 local FM BC as well.  Not = a lot of=20 people know that!
URLs=20 apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
https://= www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6dd= o/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You=20 won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. = :0)
Yy=20 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Stefan=20 Sch=C3=A4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, 20 = June 2012,=20 18:40
Subject: Re: = LF: SDR=20 programs

Hi Piotr,

Thanks for the overview of = programs. That's what i searched for.
But maybe i have expressed = wrongly what=20 i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not only for = IQ=20 inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and=20 mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) = )=20 answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i=20 think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi Stefan, LF
> =
>=20 i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The primary supporting = software for=20 all their sdr  hardware is Spectravue.
> you can download = this=20 program from the rfspace site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult to=20 get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it you = will like=20 it:)
>
> on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com  you = will also=20 find a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
>
>  = they have a=20 very powerful radio console which looks like a regular transceiver front = side
>  It has many many different options - of course, it = does take=20 time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy..
> =
>=20 i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and easy=20 to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr software = supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of = sdr=20 programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                  =  =20                     =  =20                     =  =20         yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: = Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
>
> =



------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD4F3C.C264CB30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6E664380000C1; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXcD-0002nw-4b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:35:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXcC-0002nn-I5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:35:08 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfXc3-0006bF-CD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:35:07 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkgFALY5209Ok8Ni/2dsb2JhbABFgkWiMJBdgQiCEwUBAQ0BAQMgIQgCLAEBCAIBAxEEAQEKOQEEGAIGDAgCDg8EAQkBAgIBAQELBIdcAw8HmEKXdQOJWIs2hhEDiA+FNJEFhlmCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,417,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="384731600" Received: from host-78-147-195-98.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.98]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 15:34:57 +0100 Message-ID: <001101cd4b04$06f9f7d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:34:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tracy es Co The only safe mode on this band is attended CW and possibly QSO MODE Opera so that one can take evasive action immediately to avoid causing QRM to the commercial Beacons when propagation changes take place, like wise to avoid Beacons causing the radio amateur QRM. Prolonged Unattended Beacons in any mode generated by radio amateurs should be a non starter also QRSS at extremely slow speeds should be avoided. These commercial Beacons take up more spectrum that you think because they are often tone modulated (MCW) g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 17acae084404f211678801ec6cbf7d97 Subject: LF: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4B04.05EC7F70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:464614528:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94fdb486a138c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4B04.05EC7F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracy es Co The only safe mode on this band is attended CW and possibly QSO MODE = Opera so that one can take evasive action immediately to avoid causing = QRM to the commercial Beacons when propagation changes take place, like = wise to avoid Beacons causing the radio amateur QRM.=20 Prolonged Unattended Beacons in any mode generated by radio amateurs = should be a non starter also QRSS at extremely slow speeds should be = avoided. These commercial Beacons take up more spectrum that you think because = they are often tone modulated (MCW) g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracey Gardner=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz. Twelve of those have been logged from the UK. The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide detailed = information on frequencies which should be avoided. It should be borne in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of = approx 400Hz and 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of = specific slots to be wary of. http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some form of = guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with NDBs? 73s Tracey G5VU __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (7)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 4=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4B04.05EC7F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tracy es Co
The only safe mode on this band is attended = CW and=20 possibly QSO MODE Opera so that one can take evasive action immediately = to avoid=20 causing QRM to the commercial Beacons when propagation changes take = place,=20  like wise to avoid Beacons causing the radio amateur QRM. =
Prolonged Unattended Beacons in any mode = generated by=20 radio amateurs should be a non starter also QRSS at extremely slow = speeds=20 should be avoided.
These commercial Beacons take up more spectrum = that you=20 think because they are often tone modulated (MCW)
g3kev
 
 
 
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  =

 
Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between = 472-479kHz.
Twelve of those have been logged from the UK.
The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide = detailed=20 information on frequencies which should be avoided.
It should be borne in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a = mix of=20 approx 400Hz and 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of = specific slots=20 to be wary of.
 
 http://www.classaxe.com/dx/n= db/reu/
 
Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some form = of guard=20 bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with NDBs?
 
73s Tracey G5VU

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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4B04.05EC7F70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7F8B13800009C; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Seu1g-0003v0-HZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:18:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Seu1g-0003ur-1n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:18:48 +0100 Received: from mailout04.t-online.de ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Seu1d-0005kB-Pa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:18:46 +0100 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de (fwd04.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1Seu1c-00075H-KT; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:18:44 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (TWm-xiZDwh8L8A8mAIfcMlhYwQWPrvuMh8+NJukajuTgSDnH7ZxzenW1XHRbjmXgb0@[84.147.166.56]) by fwd04.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Seu1V-12rLDk0; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:18:37 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> <002701cd49a0$0b38cfc0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:18:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: TWm-xiZDwh8L8A8mAIfcMlhYwQWPrvuMh8+NJukajuTgSDnH7ZxzenW1XHRbjmXgb0 X-TOI-MSGID: 1f1a1bc2-21da-4f14-ae43-90037d578ef6 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx Clemens fer info es report. Nw QSY 474. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:06 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.18 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 2bd5d3c3e4b1ac0d4c95b192e62a82a2 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD49B2.7B856B00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:434916000:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fd8f5da5072 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD49B2.7B856B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Clemens fer info es report. Nw QSY 474. 73 Walter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clemens Paul=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:06 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz=20 Walter, I can copy your cq call on 472.99kHz,but you are exactly on the qrg of = the ndb beacon 'BIA',Poland. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Walter Staubach=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:29 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz=20 Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 utc I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not yet ok. 73 Walter DJ2LF/DI2AG From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 khz=20 MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others = active on this band. or=20 If you want a contact let me know I am active most days=20 de Mal/g3kev E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5065 - Ausgabedatum: = 12.06.2012=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD49B2.7B856B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Clemens fer info es report. Nw QSY=20 474.
73
Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clemens = Paul
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 = 10:06=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz =

Walter,
 
I can copy your cq call on = 472.99kHz,but=20 you are exactly on the qrg of the ndb beacon
'BIA',Poland.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Walter Staubach
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 5:29=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz =

Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 = utc
I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx = not yet=20 ok.
73  Walter = DJ2LF/DI2AG
 
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 4:25=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 khz

MF operators
I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for = German=20 and others active on this band.
or
If you want a contact let me = know
I am active most days
de Mal/g3kev
 
 

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version:=20 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5065 - Ausgabedatum: 12.06.2012=20

------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD49B2.7B856B00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7172038000127; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShgxH-0007l6-Ph for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:57:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShgxH-0007kx-2r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:57:47 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShgxF-0006QT-5W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:57:45 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A456E13434A; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:57:38 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 922qFum6j0864M02; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:57:35 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.4] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID941qFum6j3635X02; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:57:35 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.4 IN dibene@usa.net imap04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID941qFum6j3635X02 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.9.118] by imap04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 120qFum6I5616M24; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:57:34 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.9.118 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FE31A38.7080606@usa.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:57:28 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FE2495D.4090509@usa.net> <001901cd4f38$6b0d2980$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001901cd4f38$6b0d2980$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120621-0, 06/21/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID120qFum6j5616X24 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 6/21/2012 12:59 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > /Surprised to see you on Blacksheep reflector, you said last week you were going to Yahoo and not coming back !!/ > /Blacksheep for information and education, Yahoo for picture post cards/ [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010306050903070704020802" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:407067136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fe31a9d2e75 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010306050903070704020802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/21/2012 12:59 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > /Surprised to see you on Blacksheep reflector, you said last week you were going to Yahoo and not coming back !!/ > /Blacksheep for information and education, Yahoo for picture post cards/ And I am surprised you are observing my moves. Does this imply a sense of insecurity from your side ? And moreover you don't even remember exactly what I wrote. But I am not interested in arguing with you, and I won't anymore. Past history has demonstrated what is your worth. 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------010306050903070704020802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 6/21/2012 12:59 AM, mal hamilton wrote:
Surprised to see you on Blacksheep reflector, you said last week you were going to Yahoo and not coming back !!
Blacksheep for information and education, Yahoo for picture post cards

And I am surprised you are observing my moves. Does this imply a sense of insecurity from your side ?
And moreover you don't even remember exactly what I wrote.

But I am not interested in arguing with you, and I won't anymore. Past history has demonstrated what is your worth.

73=A0 Alberto=A0 I2PHD

--------------010306050903070704020802-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 838B538000085; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Siotr-0006rD-Vw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:38:55 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Siotr-0006r4-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:38:55 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sioto-0002R3-TR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:38:54 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.176]) by cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:38:51 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.20]) by cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:38:51 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:38:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE7348B.3080601@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:38:51 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> In-Reply-To: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2012 15:38:52.0181 (UTC) FILETIME=[74DE6C50:01CD521F] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Received an email from Wouter PA3WEG. The WebSDR is x-tal driven, but he will look at it to get the unit somewhat lower. He intends to widen the bandpass filter in such it will catch the lower end more effectively. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.4 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: Re: LF: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:353888352:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174fe734bf6dfc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Received an email from Wouter PA3WEG. The WebSDR is x-tal driven, but he will look at it to get the unit somewhat lower. He intends to widen the bandpass filter in such it will catch the lower end more effectively. In future the SDR will receive new hardware for VHF/UHF or 4 & 6m Also 137kHz will receive some attention. His main problem is time.... At the moment he is very busy with the FUNcube satelliet project. (funcube.org.uk) Jan/pa3abk NNNN On 16-6-2012 18:02, Graham wrote: > Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... ! > Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft > can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise > .should work ? > G.. > http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 026833800008C; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd7uu-0002zO-Be for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:44:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd7ut-0002zF-TS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:44:27 +0100 Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.169.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd7ul-0001X5-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:44:26 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q58MiAYl003018 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:44:10 -0400 Received: from core-msb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.141]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B84ACE000082 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:44:10 -0400 (EDT) References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CF13DA2999C95F-250-7AFD@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> <001701cd45c6$e3bfee60$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001701cd45c6$e3bfee60$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36301-STANDARD Received: from 77.190.100.187 by web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.142) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:44:10 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF13DF5AA6BDA8-250-7CC1@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [77.190.100.187] Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:44:10 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1339195450; bh=f4hx6tw8cwwoFby48v4tn20JvE4xFaXOytNRZWbV970=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=u/Sitc8y1vYs0fG/A9EsIDCXV/tsCxEkR03qp3Gm7nTsUbUxDnn+yT5u2Tk45SbCF gtKGYHfDZWS+PPeFSBr8DO0pkjL0JsubocwRHGg3888X99p/0RIjk0FXwUzkedx7m3 EA58MzswDbtgcyf8xGJ6XE6AxP4387nGwf7r+e2U= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:457966592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Andrey, thanks for the nice report! At 22:30 I sent another test in DFCW, and SNR at the fieldday site had improved to 30 dB. 73, Markus (DF6NM) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.169.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 11963a33d604c33786d8f1de94ce267f Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF13DF5ACCD408_250_20D84_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487462496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m008.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fd2807b0193 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF13DF5ACCD408_250_20D84_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Andrey, thanks for the nice report!=20 At 22:30 I sent another test in DFCW, and SNR at the fieldday site had impr= oved to 30 dB. 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: rn3agc An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 8 Jun 2012 10:35 pm Betreff: Re: LF: Fieldday GE Markus, Your carrier in Moscow, ~10db. 73 ndrey i Stefan, just sent a test carrier on 137710 for a couple of minutes from my Marconi = (the=20 utdoor antenna ;-). SNR in QRSS3 was 41 dB in=20 eidelberg, and around 20 dB on the temporary grabber. Of course the ferrite= =20 ntenna might not have been pointing my way. Any chance=20 ou could place it outside the car? Greetings to the gang, have fun! Best 73, arkus=20 ----------MB_8CF13DF5ACCD408_250_20D84_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Andrey, thanks for the nice report!
 
At 22:30 I sent another test in DFCW, and SNR at the fieldda= y site had improved to 30 dB.
 
73,
Markus (DF6NM)


 
= -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: rn3agc <rn3agc@mail.ru>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 8 Jun 2012 10:35 pm
Betreff: Re: LF: Fieldday

GE Mar=
kus,

Your carrier in Moscow, ~10db.

73
Andrey


Hi Stefan,

just sent a test carrier on 137710 for a couple of minutes from my Marconi =
(the=20
outdoor antenna ;-). SNR in QRSS3 was 41 dB in=20
Heidelberg, and around 20 dB on the temporary grabber. Of course the ferrit=
e=20
antenna might not have been pointing my way. Any chance=20
you could place it outside the car?

Greetings to the gang, have fun!

Best 73,
Markus=20
----------MB_8CF13DF5ACCD408_250_20D84_web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 59EBD380000A4; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShR4N-0004Ik-DJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:00:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShR4M-0004Ib-Er for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:00:02 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShR4J-00062y-Tj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:00:01 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE51134266; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:59:56 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 152qFTT836864M02; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:59:54 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.4] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID171qFTT830147X02; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:59:54 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.4 IN dibene@usa.net imap04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID171qFTT830147X02 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.8.95] by imap04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 838qFTT825616M24; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:59:53 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.8.95 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FE22BB6.1080100@usa.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:59:50 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120620-1, 06/20/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID838qFTT825616X24 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 6/20/2012 7:40 PM, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. > Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Stefan, Winrad and all of its derivatives, like HDSDR and WrPlus, can be configured to accept not only an I/Q signal, but also a mono signal. Of course you lose half of the bandwidth, meaning that if you samples at 96 kHz, instead of having 96 kHz of band available, you will have only 48. But this is unavoidable, the laws of physics are rigid... :-) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050000030408080805080403" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:420771680:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fe22c1a6519 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050000030408080805080403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/20/2012 7:40 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inpu= ts.=20 > Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Stefan, Winrad and all of its derivatives, like HDSDR and WrPlus, can be config= ured to accept not only an I/Q signal, but also a mono signal. Of course you lose half o= f the bandwidth, meaning that if you samples at 96 kHz, instead of having 96 kHz of band available= , you will have only 48. But this is unavoidable, the laws of physics are rigid... :-) Winrad can be download from http://www.weaksignals.com while HDSDR can be downloaded from http://www,hdsdr.de 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------050000030408080805080403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 6/20/2012 7:40 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, n=
ot only for IQ inputs.=20
Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono?
Stefan,

=A0 Winrad and all of its derivatives, like HDSDR and WrPlus, can be configured to accept
not only an I/Q signal, but also a mono signal. Of course you lose half of the bandwidth, meaning
that if you samples at 96 kHz, instead of having 96 kHz of band available, you will have only 48.
But this is unavoidable, the laws of physics are rigid... :-)

Winrad can be download from
http://www.weaksignals.com

while HDSDR can be downloaded from
http:= //www,hdsdr.de

73=A0 Alberto=A0 I2PHD
--------------050000030408080805080403-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 84270380000E0; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfrgx-0005yl-DV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:01:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfrgw-0005yc-Tr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:01:22 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfrgu-0001jr-OU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:01:21 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W34 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 05:01:18 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group , RSGB Yahoo Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:01:17 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2012 12:01:18.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCE476C0:01CD4BB7] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All, Just to let you know.....It's all systems go for the "G4WGT Grabbers" at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73, Gary - G4WGT Hi All, Just to let you know.....It's all systems go for the "G4WGT Grabbers" at :- [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.37 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1708620d3ce65bee0beaaede7929769a Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_98d6679b-68f2-4490-8a7d-278931bda37c_" Subject: LF: G4WGT Grabbers X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:305876608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d618a4fdc75c80b7b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_98d6679b-68f2-4490-8a7d-278931bda37c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=2C Just to let you know.....It's all systems go for the "G4WGT Grabb= ers" at :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73=2C Gary - G= 4WGT = --_98d6679b-68f2-4490-8a7d-278931bda37c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= --_98d6679b-68f2-4490-8a7d-278931bda37c_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BD9F838000094; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgkZX-0001id-Az for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:37:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgkZW-0001iU-L1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:37:22 +0100 Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgkZU-0007Ux-Vw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:37:21 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.54] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2012 22:37:19 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.253] by tm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2012 22:37:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2012 22:37:19 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 945590.93643.bm@omp1018.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 26869 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jun 2012 22:37:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340059039; bh=1uUHE11k0fOMpzK54rmux2F+qIbLql0hAbzNBpukaZU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6XJstp7WZfEMHGV8TknLllfcjkq04F0XSiKgSgZHS7qnvtE1McrLEXXb5uRJSRhIxXqjP71kg0biPtjQL15Zi+JeFHNgABhWqvoGQhhmy/kt8xkeqcDC0TrdCI4PKpg/MXe1XjAi/rhOQv3s9uqTb2acPrZ7gZGrPkzGk1v+Hzg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TEInT9aRgjsPxWXw6+NcQo1Jwg8EvlUAtiJkbzrlLOO2vxOqGZlhmIXeBaxj3tVS2HNW/1kD4oyzZ0TRvdoV8amY5ycM7HXXbgAnAo/l+XXP+gZ0JJjTto8jw8THVF1vJze3D9rv9CP14kVHhWFXWi+aChLJi6imSCCDYexI2ro=; X-YMail-OSG: TzdYkqcVM1nhHZ_Y7kIY4wI6t7KhV_0FDHMn2LPzWo75oKT m1dej08gEuGlgRame0YbvB3VYTZ0UNoeGBCmgwT1ev_KeXObYEdavg0Ncjbv dk4pLRYZ._XqPGlY28s1rtMC2ffGsUhR5dDaB78R080FrFZdsYzZCchfrVmZ BtCHoSim.cbMfUwrg_2DmG59CYWyANMGiFCTbEbvzz9Lg4W4hYw9UYDOfTDP nQVxACuDx01BTmrzj_Vt5QtQ9RlkrbrJ6g_odPzvhVDkNsagvL.EkrnS.vy2 V0Ho4dwXiWmAoRJKM4YTSBo9Hx0Ar.v62bl7l6xEaCU9P4kSPeXTXnxXY3eU 8zON623bvEm7GJCrYAzHjbUAi4Eac0tqFTtoM9InaMlZjrleJyGkc.Mh6WEX GvPMAb.npvywyC9A26_dlAn.bktJE.Gsn Received: from [82.39.62.205] by web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:37:19 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1340059039.25081.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:37:19 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Thayne To: rsgb lf MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan I am hearing a very nice 559 signal of you calling CQ on 473.5khz at 2216utc tonight. No interference and nice hand sent morse from you. Using a miniwhip rx antenna. I am looking forward to joining in the fun in January 2013 when we get access to the new band. Small garden here so I will have to be /p to get a decent signal out, I learnt the lesson on 500khz! 73 Mike Thayne G3GMS Whitley Bay IO95GB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.65 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g3gms[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 73624bb08a20c2e0895fd0d9fb8136a4 Subject: LF: DK7FC on 473.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:406536128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d013.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554fdfaddf0371 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan=0A=A0=0AI am hearing a very nice 559 signal of you calling CQ = on 473.5khz at 2216utc tonight. No interference and nice hand sent=A0morse = from you. Using a miniwhip rx antenna.=0AI am looking forward to joining in= the fun in January 2013=A0when we get access to the new band. =0ASmall gar= den here so I will have to be /p to get a decent signal out, I learnt the l= esson on 500khz! =0A=A0=0A73=0AMike Thayne=0AG3GMS=0AWhitley Bay IO95GB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 20B1F38000083; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 07:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbVoc-0002bW-79 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:51:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbVob-0002bN-P6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:51:17 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbVoZ-0006FB-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:51:16 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AowKAFGgzE9cF/Mu/2dsb2JhbABFhU6EL5lYjyYEgSaBCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDFg8BIwImBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBAQICBSECAhQBBAgSBgwKCAYTCgECAgEBAYV/gWwDBgkHpASIOgMKiU6BI4kOYE6CLIIEgRIDjT2IbYlshHuCYIFf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,712,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="540278782" Received: from host-92-23-243-46.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.243.46]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 12:51:13 +0100 Message-ID: <008001cd4248$56a98080$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB7397.8020204@legal-medicine.de> <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> <4FCBD854.5080003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <120D17A5-6D9A-4AED-B46F-F784E7EA4A28@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:51:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: What I would like to see is a VOTE taking place openly on both reflectors for all to SEE ie TRANSPARENT and DEMOCRATIC and not a closed shop approach on one reflector. Let the 155 subscribers please VOTE openly G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b08ad821341ca291e1fd930f7b9292d3 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=GET_STARTED_NOW autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481009088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584fcca1724b2c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none What I would like to see is a VOTE taking place openly on both reflectors for all to SEE ie TRANSPARENT and DEMOCRATIC and not a closed shop approach on one reflector. Let the 155 subscribers please VOTE openly G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Lapthorn" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:43 PM Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement The poll is open until June 11th Stefan! 73s Roger -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 3 Jun 2012, at 22:34, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > It wasn't possible to take part in the poll even after subscribing. So this cannot be serious! Apart from the democratic conflict which is see too. > I think the different opinions are clear after that day. > Now i want to focus on amateur radio again, whatever the frequency might be. > > Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 03.06.2012 16:29, schrieb Graham: >> Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , so this should exclude your vote from the poll .... >> >> G. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "pws" >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement >> >>> John, >>> >>> You wrote: >>>> ... >>>> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >>>> how do you want to continue? >>>> >>>> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >>>> o With the Blacksheep.org list >>>> o Both lists >>>> >>>> >>>> To vote, please visit the following web page: >>>> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 >>> >>> I got what expected: >>> """ >>> To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable Web Access. >>> >>> With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, links, message archive search, and more! >>> >>> Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group >>> >>> If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web Access and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. >>> >>> To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". >>> >>> Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? >>> If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now. >>> """ >>> >>> No, thanks! >>> I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. That's all. >>> >>> Peter, df3lp >>> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 70EB338000084; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgHHu-0006eF-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:21:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgHHt-0006e6-JI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:21:13 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgHHr-0007Ll-S6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:21:12 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.14.151]) by mwinf5d48 with ME id PTMA1j0083FYniy03TMA8w; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:21:11 +0200 Message-ID: <578BF457DD834F6485E0093B26499230@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEB38.9090807@kpnmail.nl> <4FDDE5F5.4000307@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDDE5F5.4000307@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:21:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Yes Chris is 50% of the distance I am to the delft sdr, over land that indices a big loss , I can decode using ros-mf-2 during the day time , with 150 watts to the Ae , during the night , I have decoded with round 500 mW Ae feed , Mal being on the sunny east coast , has a nice water path over to EU , just as gb4fpr , a path out to the west over the Atlantic and south down the river Mersey [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Subject: Re: LF: MF propagation... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1454fddf6226cc6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes Chris is 50% of the distance I am to the delft sdr, over land that indices a big loss , I can decode using ros-mf-2 during the day time , with 150 watts to the Ae , during the night , I have decoded with round 500 mW Ae feed , Mal being on the sunny east coast , has a nice water path over to EU , just as gb4fpr , a path out to the west over the Atlantic and south down the river Mersey But as we have proved with the 600 ft delta loop , a vertical section is a requirement to radiate effectively, most old marine installations , only had 30 or 40 feet of vertical wire from the radio room to the top wire , not sure how the salt water on the canvas , wire rigging and wooden hull's affected the signal , Mal might be able to advise on that ? G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:13 PM To: Subject: LF: MF propagation... > Jan, MF, > > Am 16.06.2012 22:23, schrieb pa3abk: >> >> >> FYI I have H24 solid CW QSO with g3xiz mostly S-7/8 about same distance >> both using about 100W. > > I can hear G3XIZ very well on the Delft web sdr. It looks to me like the > ground wave reaches much much wider above sea water. The effect seems to > be extreme on MF, even more than on LF or VLF. Is this possible, i mean > can you confirm it? > Oh, that would explain why all the vessels used 500 kHz for such a long > time :-) > > That would explain why you can hear G3XIZ H24, since you are much closer > to the sea than me. > > Here on the land the situation looks to be quite different during the > daytime... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B0C6038000092; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skiq8-0003el-NP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:34:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skiq8-0003eb-AW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:34:56 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skiq6-0000YF-ER for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:34:55 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5TLYrVn019256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:34:53 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5TLYrid013856 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:34:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEE1F0B.6060703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:32:59 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <5DCDBF0ADD564CB1947F77646CFA5ECE@AGB> In-Reply-To: <5DCDBF0ADD564CB1947F77646CFA5ECE@AGB> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: G.., Am 29.06.2012 23:16, schrieb Graham: > Data sheet , cannot read, http://translate.google.de/?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&text=&file= [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040102070807010702060605" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436366816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fee1fa907bb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040102070807010702060605 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G.., Am 29.06.2012 23:16, schrieb Graham: > Data sheet , cannot read, http://translate.google.de/?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&text=&file= 73 --------------040102070807010702060605 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TLYrVn019256 G..,

Am 29.06.2012 23:16, schrieb Graham:
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--------------040102070807010702060605-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CAE3438000099; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkLRd-0008JA-UH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:36:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkLRd-0008J1-4v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:36:05 +0100 Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkLRb-0005wv-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:36:04 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 20:36:02 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.245] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 20:36:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 20:36:02 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 107458.88849.bm@omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 46539 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2012 20:36:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340915762; bh=yMpKJtpuLNYYuwdCC5CRBo0Hr//LNjV+ZUqhvQ1OqIM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Cj+/bGX00T8VZDdepkE1tA0zmcaiKocLEAs4Y99tubzwgjUhm8u4DkFTu2LlONQb+x+5kAy7AwUl0kzDdn5FEvrVQRFtGtunA6D6DCnFbNkP00clyC9PC9RPYhW2hvlrTizcyB2e2Sa+poBfRJ4Gr9iqRaPHo1J8RGYsnxtasY8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Bsi8wReRZY11fuyi04TOvniBQkM0czH30U+4C+mGMB0n9C7Jczl6EQW8vldRPde988b3idrCLkqWcuyRQOJegpGXUPMQFXdcg6yIlCvS6G7zyeprPPLS/CM819vW/D0e06arCOvMJuKlAU6r02Z6radG0i4d/AlCrrn/b0DG6Cg=; X-YMail-OSG: 0NMH558VM1ncE.tsaQ_4GKxfxhRVkDlxfN71LCWuKQ7FXpD xGMO4.uSeX3narZJNhlweJQ2S9ligVPXMoyMiJxz0Jd4jfY0vLNr2ORd9G6a un11PmcoL30_hmzHHz35VekS5I280MF75YyBK7WWJtm8aTnuoY.dE24f7sWL LPsrm3T8rwc.r29r7J5ldEdsjB9gTEdQAx3v51UXalmGPkpH_xGfkUcMEz_b _tJFMT0NrdFZTAHlVKDl2JJ1G8F5.u5tHi4.k3zC8Yy6PtO0VcIkOTRQ0s33 UxxeMbijDAykeO4CAXamdq50g4E_XPBD3RsKkiOfqrJIbR4jf7.WqOU3WOb6 _jGV5apEnn5XnJhL6TiHevylkGAvH2UmY88WSOFUzaVfZiL.xifZYHp0b3jx kA5EZ6c34nFZsJ3ZVDHqup48quNQ7rgRD9uZ7ovmpI8GqswFo8VsTR8m1 Received: from [86.163.214.230] by web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:36:01 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <000901cd5561$92ff83a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <233C8A8FA9234F7BAA7D8A1505198AA4@AGB> Message-ID: <1340915761.45919.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:36:01 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <233C8A8FA9234F7BAA7D8A1505198AA4@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK Mal Thanks for the advice. The GW3UEP was the answer to the Unobtainium issue. Every bit could be obtained from Maplin. Not semi professional Amateur with component access through the "Company", you can see that in the LF HB. It would be nice just to take a High power design that is "Surefire" build it and have it on the air with out a process of tweaking and tuning and bits of FET ricocheting round the shack before you finally tame it. I think I am almost there doing it empirically. That's what I am hoping with Stefans design but the ferrite "Black magic"...... + Oh and your big sig in Moscow is more a function of your big antenna..... yes?......... :o) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 4d97240a623a26620214cd27feaa9f71 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-334906276-1340915761=:45919" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461439776:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d290.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4fecc09374de X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-334906276-1340915761=:45919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Mal=0A=A0=0AThanks for the advice. The GW3UEP was the answer to the Unob= tainium issue. Every bit could be obtained from Maplin. Not semi profession= al Amateur with component access through the "Company", you can see that in= the LF HB. It would be nice just to take a High power=A0design that is "Su= refire" build it and have it on the air with out a process of tweaking and = tuning and bits of FET ricocheting round the shack before you finally tame = it. I think I am almost there doing it empirically.=0AThat's what I am hopi= ng with Stefans design but the=A0ferrite "Black magic"...... +=0AOh and you= r big sig=A0in Moscow is more a function of your big antenna..... yes?.....= .... :o)=A0=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_______________________= _________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 20:20=0ASubject: Re: LF: Email= ing: malk 107=0A =0A=0A =0ABit=A0 of=A0 Lemon Pledge=A0 ?=0A =0AFrom: mal = hamilton =0ASent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:09 PM =0ATo: rsgb =0ASubject:= LF: Emailing: malk 107 =0A =0APete es co =0AThe 500 Khz rig that I built i= n a=A0 couple of hours. Components from =0Athe junk box. The FET driver in = this case was a complimentary pair of =0Atransistors. =0AClass E single end= ed one FET. =0AAt the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as = an exciter, a =0Acouple of diodes to SQ the sinewave. =0AThe tank cct induc= tor is an old WW2 ceramic=A0ex TU7B tuning unit. =0AI=A0put a good signal i= nto the USA es Canada es Moscow with =0Athis=A0transmitter on CW. =0A=0A73= de mal/g3kev ---1613889061-334906276-1340915761=:45919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK Mal
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Thanks for the advice. The GW3UEP = was the answer to the Unobtainium issue. Every bit could be obtained from M= aplin. Not semi professional Amateur with component access through the "Com= pany", you can see that in the LF HB. It would be nice just to take a High = power design that is "Surefire" build it and have it on the air with o= ut a process of tweaking and tu= ning and bits of FET ricocheting round the shack before you finally tame it= . I think I am almost there doing it empirica= lly.
Tha= t's what I am hoping with Ste= fans design but the ferrite "Black magic"...... +
Oh and your big sig in Moscow is more a func= tion of your big antenna..... yes?......... :o) 

= 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: Graham <g8fzk@= g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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The 500 Khz ri= g that I built in a  couple of hours. Components from =0Athe junk box.= The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of =0Atransistors.=0A
Class E single ended one FET.
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At the start I used a= xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an exciter, a =0Acouple of diodes to= SQ the sinewave.
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The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic&= nbsp;ex TU7B tuning unit.
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---1613889061-334906276-1340915761=:45919-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B562338000084; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Satd4-00013A-0E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:04:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Satd3-000131-Iy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:04:49 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Satd1-0006uc-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:04:48 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q52J4knS024149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:04:46 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q52J4k5T020071 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:04:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA6376.4030702@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:03:18 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q52J4knS024149 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Ulrich, Very nice to meet you here! I already saw you on the pskmap in the web. Have you been catched by the NL LF amateurs? :-) Some weeks i reported about our email contacts due to my CW beacon on 137 kHz. You reported that you saw a hit in the DX cluster about the CW beacon. I would be glad if it was the beacon that moved you to LF as a newcomer :-) Or did i misunderstand something? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:422663968:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fca63fd289a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Ulrich, Very nice to meet you here! I already saw you on the pskmap in the web.=20 Have you been catched by the NL LF amateurs? :-) Some weeks i reported=20 about our email contacts due to my CW beacon on 137 kHz. You reported=20 that you saw a hit in the DX cluster about the CW beacon. I would be glad if it was the beacon that moved you to LF as a newcomer=20 :-) Or did i misunderstand something? Vy 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Tnx for infos Am 02.06.2012 19:55, schrieb PA7EY: > Stefan, > > According to the screenshot, it should be rts or dtr. Didn't try myself= yet. > > As far as I know 1.4.1 is still the most recent one. Not sure about > cpu, but on my several years old P4 2.8 GHz its no problem at all, cpu > about 30%. > > 73, Ulrich > > 2012/6/2 Stefan Sch=E4fer: > =20 >> PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX = line >> (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >> =20 >>> G.., LF, >>> >>> What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? >>> What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> =20 >> >> =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DE4EF38000094; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiBpF-0008Jb-AA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:55:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiBpE-0008JJ-Ui for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:55:32 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiBpD-0002nH-F0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:55:31 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5MLtUdZ017413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:30 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5MLtUtv026506 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:30 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE4E966.6060703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:53:42 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alex, I just started the TX. Can you transmit as well? Looking forward to see some traces, hopefully i'm coming through... 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 73624bb08a20c2e0895fd0d9fb8136a4 Subject: LF: RN3AUS grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443065280:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fe4ea0d1976 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Alex, I just started the TX. Can you transmit as well? Looking forward to see some traces, hopefully i'm coming through... 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D552638000091; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SanMT-0006f4-BN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:23:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SanMS-0006ev-N7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:23:16 +0100 Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SanMQ-0005Kj-F3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:23:15 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.233] by nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 12:23:13 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.237] by tm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 12:23:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 12:23:13 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 257918.33503.bm@omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28641 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2012 12:23:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338639793; bh=2SLVrHThKOiIksQwjb/d34V4HKHib4efiYJxutVuc0k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gRtWOXdLG1AY6L9aJ4NDnxbC4MBM4+otEL1zTA8fWN6GFNUTcfW7P9fnMjGBcyGaxqilN2R6RwGhw3YmFpaEYRT4Qi79WEF/ml6EOK4aMqiCvGOJz/mHOfa2AzMW5FkeFHNgg0JvvrHfsIH6NNxeS2vR2ON5fiezsSoxt9M5yag= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m2rAIfjkaABYeHIvyR4+YRTrjS+FwTpCxmSkL8XZFvtozhYPfeJjAMOnA4Ybh9WZeb9wF12m7GcPBa08/UkmjZJFSIwsxtChFz1sf4Jh3+G3MqNVI9TTlwE/h9n35HWYIwjMovETtYCDbTLm7JbWTZClQTtai2x1pnQl2bw5cQ0=; X-YMail-OSG: k.esWkMVM1lCAwr7QiqKmz55a0IlAnaZHIqsmSbVcNeX9zW wTKSQM7Tl3x4zq7ethOGievZRKJtQIVFAqva861IgCl0Jt2zfdj8Y99NZQSB q141SnIJMtiKdtl9jEWJ1qsLxW6YBtyt.61pRuZMNSMaXuw9eArmMpCtvBXI yvcLXIyXdRm3rIAC_9ihBTOkcJGZb7WbWd97mFUAVdCZSjItfr_lNYN1kP9x nZyR1xgwHcEtFsCVWN_X4Zi5EOOLj59xhjXz1_ua2iB8FtRQbj4oSiuUgxJf 2R5sIv6ipep7IXU0waTwz3LT7E2YPEWP62j7nJZzlRYO.i5eiDK.4W0q0CpS N3okwpuYjtcVbZWbItdmcJ4SNZXysjoL1qyFbgGBjI0rfJCAeVkaATCzVJbg 6QNS.NIbsm88knd6kQhHTx7z.i6yxNDaeO.3Hh.4OQLCzaFyZAg-- Received: from [86.164.62.42] by web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:23:12 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FC9F97F.6060806@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1338639792.50104.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:23:12 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FC9F97F.6060806@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alberto Opera to answer your question, but have issues here at the moment Re: 501.59kc/s RX opera bcn [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 195b836cb7437e99aa05107459888659 Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-1246927975-1338639792=:50104" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493951744:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m285.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fca05fa0bc8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-1246927975-1338639792=:50104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AHi Alberto=0A=0AOpera to answer your question, but have issues here a= t the moment=0A=0ARe: 501.59kc/s RX opera bcn =0A=0AThanks Gary and PA0A , = Graham and PA3ABK=0A=0AMy TX PC has just =0Acrashed... must be the exciteme= nt... saw your reports many=0Athanks and also =0APA0A. OK back up again now= .=0A=0ADon't know why but pwr roport wrong should =0Aread 10watts at tx out= put terminals.=0Ainto the antenna via tuned transformer =0Aair cored... ant= LW up abt 35ft feet x=0A128feet long.=0ARig a GW3UEP using =0Aold PMR RX e= xtals on fundamental freq div 32 PSU 12volts will=0Arun 40watts wid =0A24vo= lts.... hmmmmmm crashed again has to be RF getting in some=0Ahow that may = =0Apreclude higher power ..... doh!!...:-(.... don't get this on =0ACW=0Ahe= e!!=0A=0AThink we are off the air for a bit now will QSP if I do it =0Aagai= n on the this=0AQRG. May pop up once or twice while testing this PC for =0A= RFI.=0A=0Avy 73 petefmt=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Albert = =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 12:31= =0ASubject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A =0A=0AHello Pete,= =0A=0AIs ur beacon Opera, WSPR or QRS ????=0A=0A73, Albert PA0A ---357169082-1246927975-1338639792=:50104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H= i Alberto
 
Opera to answer your question, but have issues here at the moment
&nbs= p;
Re: 501.59kc/s RX opera bcn <= /div>
=0A
Thanks Gary and PA0A , Gra= ham and PA3ABK

My TX PC has just =0Acrashed... must be the excitemen= t... saw your reports many
thanks and also =0APA0A. OK back up again now= .

Don't know why but pwr roport wrong should =0Aread 10watts at tx o= utput terminals.
into the antenna via tuned transformer =0Aair cored... = ant LW up abt 35ft feet x
128feet long.
Rig a GW3UEP using =0Aold PMR= RX extals on fundamental freq div 32 PSU 12volts will
run 40watts wid = =0A24volts.... hmmmmmm crashed again has to be RF getting in some
how th= at may =0Apreclude higher power ..... doh!!...:-(.... don't get this on =0A= CW
hee!!

Think we are off the air for a bit now will QSP if I do = it =0Aagain on the this
QRG. May pop up once or twice while testing this= PC for =0ARFI.

vy 73 petefmt


 
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Al= bert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
T= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 12:31
Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s US= B RX dial

=0A =0A =0A = =0A
=0A Hello Pete,
=0A
=0A Is ur beacon Op= era, WSPR or QRS ????
=0A
=0A 73, Albert PA0A
=0A=
=0A=0A


---357169082-1246927975-1338639792=:50104-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2656E3800008D; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeY5W-0000rj-Of for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:53:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeY5W-0000ra-1R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:53:18 +0100 Received: from nm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.193]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeY5T-0000ha-SM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:53:16 +0100 Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2012 20:53:14 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.203] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2012 20:53:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2012 20:53:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 130227.72820.bm@omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 3265 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2012 20:53:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=UwOrrEnHizN972WbLJ6RywAbcJcNNBRSkudZs5J2VRuaD0n1cVe4hADW7qF+YJxUOmbrSCvkjUSQucrcObmCB7MaF9xqPzrl3l+WMu0rw0unniJkKglcnvaKJaoRtjyIXtjrbyt7JmwuvWz+TGwQsseF1GjWPNw50Xr11lPTAro= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1339534393; bh=6aXne4/UdyR+Zez5ar2EwO1rZcO/h8Tm0iwhcsU7p+A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=VKUdXtAp6l72r9z7i+9iv+tPk37N9UAUJApWzhlx67ybHVvaTN4ssEzdIyYSW4iDCB+qRheI1JBAaBqmTgPgiTnjhj/Aj7HnOwD222fOBk9/Fv/6uDHKzv5ym4m0uIfmp7N5LqcmnQcAg6+7n4kukNsooZvc6H4fHQTaKsa72hs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 9JxX324VM1lDhFyU10YXxCCt3sohexYfghKEWcrXB.bzyxM 1KzGL7lctaMBirihLWet1zWR9BSAO8Bk6MA_6PPCsmyFgkM2PhBjVN6fkWGe JFBqeKXQEB7qEjnM5mhBR4QBOszmJzu26BxQQmSwEe2pMDjm5U8E79ZBOPan _u45DZYMIkqwS7RAUU5OOd9BZTL4HOsJl5dgjxJ_eu9qN871qfYF_5RyB8Xj 4h_KBpZheR5zrx.UFr3BOLJKLfeG.9bz_Ba2L5qf9CGHM2v3kJRMEIQtygR. vXYh9R5hLey8P_JOxtD4ykMHj6cURxw_I2gnrhuxp8mucQ_ICCpk1_VBYP3c UPfGvhDXBxt9In_GYhE6P7eiqaNNNmNlLPqk3caXvom34xNKYSUiU_td6Nqc 9qyf9lNVSBDhI3KLg6e1WSjMcbaGzCms- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- Received: from lindavideo (ken.h.wright@86.173.47.194 with login) by smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2012 20:53:13 +0000 GMT From: "Ken" To: References: <007d01cd48cf$877ae220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:53:10 +0100 Message-ID: <7DA6527BE817490B946988CA7436BA22@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <007d01cd48cf$877ae220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac1Iz7oG7JDMdNkfSBqPh/Iakk/4xAADW4Jw X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mal I am going away for a few days, I will contact you on my return regarding the valve tx. 73s [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.146.183.193 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 29f1b43ee9e13e220716185d38bfb88c Subject: LF: RE: TECH DISCUSSION Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD48E5.C31275D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487104320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d013.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fd7ac916646 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD48E5.C31275D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mal I am going away for a few days, I will contact you on my return regarding the valve tx. 73s Ken M0KHW _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 12 June 2012 20:14 To: rsgb Subject: LF: TECH DISCUSSION LF/M All the technical discussions going on at present about amplifiers relevant to LF/MF is on the Blacksheep reflector. Other information regarding communications and propagation likewise. It would appear those dedicated to the lower frequencies prefer this reflector. It would appear only those interested in archieving their files and of little interest to others and picture uploads favour Yahoo. To keep abreast with realtime lower frequency activities then only Blacksheep seems to be the preferred reflector. Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD48E5.C31275D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mal

I am going away for a few days, I = will contact you on my return  regarding the valve = tx.

 

73s

 

Ken

 

M0KHW

 

From: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 12 June 2012 = 20:14
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: TECH = DISCUSSION

 

LF/M

All the technical discussions going on at present = about amplifiers relevant to LF/MF is on the Blacksheep reflector. Other = information regarding communications and propagation likewise. It would appear those = dedicated to the lower frequencies prefer this = reflector.

It would appear only those interested in archieving = their files and of little interest to others and picture uploads favour Yahoo. =

To keep abreast with realtime lower frequency = activities then only Blacksheep seems to be the preferred = reflector.

Mal/G3KEV

 

------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD48E5.C31275D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9674538000093; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbFFe-0004Cm-Ux for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:10:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbFFe-0004Cd-G7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:10:06 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbFFc-00035Z-Mh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:10:05 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.16.140]) by mwinf5d49 with ME id HuA01j00B31K0Qa03uA0cw; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:10:02 +0200 Message-ID: <8208EBBB3DEF446C8B540F5BEBB38570@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 19:09:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-0, 03/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ''professional amateurs''. Ah .... tricky that one ! G.. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 34d483c57c7a6bf26c25db3c8765d5fc Subject: Re: LF: Fence sitter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CB_01CD41BC.780F7B30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:447822912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fcba8ac48ac X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CB_01CD41BC.780F7B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ''professional amateurs''. Ah .... tricky that one ! G.. From: Tony=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:00 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Fence sitter I will put my hand up and admit that I'm one of those members that = doesn't post very often. To make matters worse, I don't transmit and only receive LF on a very = irregular basis. The reason I joined the black sheep reflector was to get technical = information to enable me to eventually build an LF system, and that is = the reason I'm still here. On many days the reflector is full of reception reports which are of no = interest to me at all, also requests for skeds which again are of no = interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on 10m & 6m which I = can easily see for myself on any cluster. All these unwanted (for me) posts are easily marked as "read" in my = email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy if all post were = duplicated over two different reflectors. So I shall continue to sit on the fence and see which reflector attracts = the technical posters, including "underground" earth mode results, and = use that one and cancel the other. I have to say that the last few days have reminded me of a girls school, = all bitching, tantrums and tears. Not really what you would expect from = grown up professional amateurs. Tony, EI8JK. ------=_NextPart_000_01CB_01CD41BC.780F7B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
''professional amateurs''.
 
Ah .... tricky that one  !
 
G..

From: Tony
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:00 PM
Subject: LF: Fence sitter

I will put my hand up and admit that = I'm one of=20 those members that doesn't post very often.
To make matters worse, I don't = transmit and=20 only receive LF on a very irregular basis.
 
The reason I joined the black sheep = reflector was=20 to get technical information to enable me to eventually build an LF = system, and=20 that is the reason I'm still here.
On many days the reflector is full of = reception=20 reports which are of no interest to me at all, also requests for skeds = which=20 again are of no interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on = 10m &=20 6m which I can easily see for myself on any cluster.
All these unwanted (for me) posts are = easily marked=20 as "read" in my email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy = if all=20 post were duplicated over two different reflectors.
 
So I shall continue to sit on the fence = and see=20 which reflector attracts the technical posters, including "underground" = earth=20 mode results, and use that one and cancel the other.
 
I have to say that the last few days = have reminded=20 me of a girls school, all bitching, tantrums and tears. Not really what = you=20 would expect from grown up professional amateurs.
 
Tony, EI8JK.
------=_NextPart_000_01CB_01CD41BC.780F7B30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 975AD3800009A; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shpo6-0002QC-1Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:24:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shpo5-0002Q0-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:24:53 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shpo3-00050m-Kd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:24:52 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5LMOoeh011132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:24:51 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5LMOoiE008989 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:24:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE39EC7.8060104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:23:03 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Gary, Thank you very much for the service. This will surely help to get some better understanding about local MF propagation. 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b8b011f938af8abc4b241335cabd0691 Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber update. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010800090503010103000703" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:432560992:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174fe39f5d4a41 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010800090503010103000703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary, Thank you very much for the service. This will surely help to get some better understanding about local MF propagation. 73, Stefan Am 21.06.2012 20:35, schrieb Gary G4WGT: > Hi All, > > As a temporary stop-gap I have changed the I.F. Xtal in my SoftRock > 500 kHz receiver so I can use the I.F. plus & minus frequencies. > ie. 501 kHz to 509 kHz & 472 kHz to 479 kHz. It may require some > frequency correction. > > The result can be seen on my grabber at :- > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. --------------010800090503010103000703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary,

Thank you very much for the service. This will surely help to get some better understanding about local MF propagation.

73, Stefan

Am 21.06.2012 20:35, schrieb Gary G4WGT:
Hi All,
 
As a temporary stop-gap I have changed the I.F. Xtal in my SoftRock 500 kHz receiver so I can use the I.F. plus & minus frequencies.
ie. 501 kHz to 509 kHz & 472 kHz to 479 kHz. It may require some frequency correction.
 
The result can be seen on my grabber at :-
 
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html
 
73,
 
Gary - G4WGT.
--------------010800090503010103000703-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7E6593800009D; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5ry-00067Q-CA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:21:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5ry-00067H-0f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:21:50 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh5rw-0006TB-6R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:21:48 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5JLLk85003285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:21:47 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5JLLkdE027457 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:21:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:20:02 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: just in case someone wants... I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 61f253ce45236799bfc06b43f9779702 Subject: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446281664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054fe0eda35fa8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none just in case someone wants... I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 42D7C380000B2; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sccte-0001sS-38 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:37:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scctd-0001sJ-HS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:37:05 +0100 Received: from smtp3web.tin.it ([212.216.176.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scctb-0001wm-Cg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:37:04 +0100 Received: from fep-mail-web-l2b.virgilio.net (212.48.20.162) by smtp3web.tin.it (8.6.023.02) id 4ECA5B5302E5E569 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:37:01 +0200 Message-ID: <137c7299a54.marcocadeddu@tin.it> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:37:01 +0200 (CEST) From: "marcocadeddu@tin.it" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 81.201.7.62 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Ben, Stefan and LF, also here in Italy no news... but of course our administration has more important tasks.. It could be a nice idea rise money from hams and save the balance! 73 Marco eiceses ---- Messaggio originale---- Da: 7-giu-2012 2.27 PM A: Ogg: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.216.176.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (marcocadeddu[at]tin.it) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 027eb28428a0ed4e20e06b28d08cfc7b Subject: R: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:413562400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4fd0aecd1997 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Ben, Stefan and LF, also here in Italy no news... but of course=20 our administration has more important tasks.. It could be a nice idea=20 rise money from hams and save the balance! 73 Marco eiceses ---- Messaggio originale---- Da: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de Data:=20 7-giu-2012 2.27 PM A: Ogg: Re: LF:=20 VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Hi Ben, I do not intend to run so much power. I will=20 rather build a small PA and=20 a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q=20 and a braoder bandwidth and so=20 i will not need to adjust the resonance=20 when making QSY within the band,=20 hopefully. That makes things easier. On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber,=20 maybe=20 even no computer. However Speclab would be fine to get an=20 overview of=20 the band activity and offers nice filter and noise=20 reduction tools... I'm really excited how the band will be populated.=20 It's not so far away=20 from 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio=20 antenna, e.g. a dipole for=20 80m, configured as a T antenna will work=20 reasonable if a suitable earth=20 is available. But what's the problem=20 in France? You have so much space for large=20 antennas, don't you? Or do=20 you live in Paris City? :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 07.06.2012 14:17,=20 schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the=20 reason for your KW ERP. > > My "reasonable" setup indicates me that /=20 triple/ that value could be=20 > necessary... > > CU there > > Ben > > > > Message du 07/06/12 14:12 > > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer" > >=20 A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Copie =C3=A0 : > > Objet : Re:=20 LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > > > I only heared some rumours about=20 the permission starting > January, 1st, > > 2013, here in DL.=20 Also i heard rumours that a permit is given > out on the > >=20 Ham Radio 2012 > (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham- en/index.php) > > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is=20 more realistic. > > > > Time to build a suitable loading coil=20 for MF. I will need about > 240 uH > > only... > > > >=20 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb=20 manginbenoit.pro: > > > Are there other EU countries (apart from=20 the British Isles) > > > granting MF access to the amateur service=20 so fast ? > > > > > > We in France still did not hear even the=20 smallest whisper from > our > > > tutelage administration. Or=20 maybe am I not well informed. > > > > > > 73 > > > > >=20 > Ben > > > >=20 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 960EF38000099; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfaZG-0003ml-TB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:44:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfaZG-0003mc-Gp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:44:18 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfaZE-0007Rs-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:44:17 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiYNAD5z209cHnO5/2dsb2JhbABFgm4IAQGcegOULwOBLHgQghMBEwEBA0kCIQsCCAIBBgECGzkBBBoGJB0BAgIBAYU4BwGCIxu6BowLNIUIA4gPhTSXXoJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,418,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="394929492" Received: from host-92-30-115-185.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.115.185]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 18:44:15 +0100 Message-ID: <008301cd4b1e$78f70890$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:44:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Now CQ 136.5 es 502 CW anyone about ?? also QSX 472 de mal/g3kev Now CQ 136.5 es 502 CW anyone about ?? [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: LF: 137 ES 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD4B1E.78A14770" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:202644320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4fdb74ad5579 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD4B1E.78A14770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now CQ 136.5 es 502 CW anyone about ?? also QSX 472=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD4B1E.78A14770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now CQ 136.5 es 502 CW anyone about = ??
also QSX 472
 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD4B1E.78A14770-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 23D7C3800008A; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHKG-0005T9-8W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:23:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHKF-0005T0-JX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:22:59 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com ([209.85.212.175]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbHKD-0003Wf-Dc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:22:58 +0100 Received: by wibhn6 with SMTP id hn6so1865018wib.10 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:22:56 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=dK554R+HZ7vh1bDpYJmWFnN4XcQ5Bmeod+XHnLauO3M=; b=Yh7oFFKi6rGf41mpOYoZ4R5YjFAKs7/6hMUtmjeEYwNsABBbwCAsWj40HNccD3++Br hQUBkX3Yh5WWdzIFY9bLBdwWLayd2jOR8vYpV0LRR5brKDGUgpe07M3i/IMZ0wiXk6V0 IbeOHMwptEr2z63CMM7PcoHkb0wRG+gSG/bq+Gt7tUSxm6W+ZIf5FtMon/2TatudLza1 33EDqfVDGBMXLB2qtr2omSuw3g213bfp7KIOSSXaI8Jb7MR69i7LZdOU4f2zZDUQ6Ej+ 4S+7SGSMkrFfTPvQ79jxC5jVqJM1avjGDO1vFDTlWdFsdhlMx4Xv5Nmvn8Rm0WIPMz8z yZKw== Received: by 10.216.194.137 with SMTP id m9mr9093875wen.66.1338754976088; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc6-cmbg17-2-0-cust624.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com. [86.30.58.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m20sm15176844wie.6.2012.06.03.13.22.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:22:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <20120603.125020.1661.559237@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> From: Roger Lapthorn In-Reply-To: <20120603.125020.1661.559237@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> Message-Id: <9C298013-8A12-4BA2-AE19-ED9784DEB482@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 21:22:32 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9B206) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: HI Bob, You can use your normal email to join a Yahoo group. Yahoo then gives you options how you want to receive messages e.g. as normal emails, just read posts on the web or get daily digests of posts that day. You can keep personal details well hidden should you so wish. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.175 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e7c02b6e85723bae4746298f7f529717 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7D735FF9-7443-403E-878B-F719FCDBE0B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481066848:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m019.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fcbc7e1786e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-7D735FF9-7443-403E-878B-F719FCDBE0B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii HI Bob, You can use your normal email to join a Yahoo group. Yahoo then gives you op= tions how you want to receive messages e.g. as normal emails, just read post= s on the web or get daily digests of posts that day. You can keep personal d= etails well hidden should you so wish.=20 In about 15 years of Yahoo group membership of around 15 different groups on= a wide range of subjects it has worked flawlessly with no spam and no secur= ity issues. =20 Honestly I am quite surprised by all the fuss about the move: it just works w= ell in my experience. My recommendation is join the new group and enjoy all i= t has to offer. Give it a week or so and all the posts will return to on-top= ic LF related subjects.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 3 Jun 2012, at 20:49, riese-k3djc@juno.com wrote: > Alright > I signed up and created a yahoo account first thing I had to do was create= an E mail address > and then fill out my user information,, I believe the user info is set to s= tay hidden > so at this point,, what is next,, how do I sign up for the LF reflector/gr= oup > I really dont like doing this ,, but what the heck > when I find the new reflector will it ask how to bundle my traffic and wil= l that only be accessible to me > after I sign on for the Yahooie e mail or can I have that sent to my Juno a= ccount and not need to sign > on to the yahoo account > =20 > Bob K3DJC > =20 > On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0100 Roger Lapthorn = writes: > Mal (et al), >=20 > Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on modera= tion.=20 >=20 > It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly offensi= ve, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently off-topic then th= e moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or even suspend= membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are respectful of ot= hers and post on-topic without getting personal and offensive.=20 >=20 > Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group where most= seem perfectly happy.=20 >=20 > 73s > Roger G3XBM >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- >=20 > On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" wrote: >=20 >> How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM >> G3KEV >> =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tony >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status >>=20 >> Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) >> =20 >> =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM >> Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE >> =20 >> >> Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. >> >> =20 >> =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: g3zjo >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status >>=20 >> On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote: >>>=20 >>> Well John >>> When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a m= ove to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose opinions= and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging or democrati= c. >>> A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group b= ut not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. >>>=20 >> Come on Mal >>=20 >> I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to lies.= >>=20 >> Eddie >> =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-7D735FF9-7443-403E-878B-F719FCDBE0B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
HI Bob,

You can use your normal email to join a Yahoo group. Yahoo t= hen gives you options how you want to receive messages e.g. as normal emails= , just read posts on the web or get daily digests of posts that day.  <= span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(2= 6, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.= 230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Yo= u can keep personal details well hidden should you so wish. 

In about 15 years of Yahoo group membership of around 1= 5 different groups on a wide range of subjects it has worked flawlessly with= no spam and no security issues.  

Honestly I a= m quite surprised by all the fuss about the move: it just works well in my e= xperience. My recommendation is join the new group and enjoy all it has t= o offer. Give it a week or so and all the posts will return to on-topic LF r= elated subjects. 

73s
Roger G= 3XBM

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 3 Jun 2012, at 2= 0:49, riese-k3djc@juno.com wrote= :

Alright
I signed up and created a yahoo account first thing I had to do was cre= ate=20 an E mail address
and then fill out my user information,, I believe the user info is set t= o=20 stay hidden
so at this point,, what is next,, how do I sign up for the LF=20 reflector/group
I really dont like doing this ,, but what the heck
when I find the new reflector will it ask how to bundle=20 my traffic and will that only be accessible to me
after I sign on for the Yahooie e mail or can I have that sent to my Ju= no=20 account and not need to sign
on to the yahoo account
 
Bob K3DJC
 
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0100 Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=20 writes:
Mal (et al),

Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on=20= moderation. 

It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly=20 offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently off-topi= c=20 then the moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or eve= n=20 suspend membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are respect= ful=20 of others and post on-topic without getting personal and=20 offensive. 

Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group where= =20 most seem perfectly happy. 

73s
Roger G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation f= rom=20 G3XBM
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Tony
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:5= 6=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.:=20= Reflector status

Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Roger Lapthorn
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9= :51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Y= ahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 g3zjo
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4= :42=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.= :=20 Reflector status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting so= me time=20 back indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to b= an=20 persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his,=20=  this is hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth op= eration=20 of any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or=20 BANNING.

=
Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but= =20 please don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
 
= --Apple-Mail-7D735FF9-7443-403E-878B-F719FCDBE0B3-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6E94838000089; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkztJ-0007D3-J0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:47:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkztJ-0007Cu-6D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:47:21 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkztG-0006Pa-Sy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:47:20 +0100 Received: from W1KW (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.14.177]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LjPsy-1S9jCP2CtM-00bYaX; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:47:17 +0200 Message-ID: <0384C214D0514315B65DAD68864962C1@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW" To: References: <008501cd56d5$f5c084b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:47:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:4yw67728461fr92RBTJBCzKqI/OhhsxKrXfgsWxRjsd Ar4LrMmtwxch9EbFsWU1H0eBDCv08u5t163JyX6remHL0M2YyZ kam4yPOmek1TJyOGeStA2mzSNSNN/8LMuVNiKA8+O1bItFLRmj Hbnnuz8cnSbqBpndteTyrz1Uxd2k+rUJxBnLmZPB4fphd2SNOd JUEQUEanxZSHsIol3bED7HI3cmEoeJx+X3Y1fxkNcZp9xFyTFd RVWzJ8limu6BeA123LTtSSl3ok9Ivf9iDBFMe07rAQV7S88Zcp kN9/ndL/4KYShMw0iZqW2AfYnObQusXIHiXmNT5e06LyvgUPw= = X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX 502. 73 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 61577e2058c0d3bf1737d7de6ed6eb16 Subject: LF: Re: test 476.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD56E8.634E4E10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436649216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4fef1fbd6ad1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD56E8.634E4E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX 502. 73 Geri, DK8KW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: LF: test 476.5 Stn tst on 476.5 599=20 qsx 502=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD56E8.634E4E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal,
 
I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX=20 502.
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 5:35=20 PM
Subject: LF: test 476.5

Stn tst on 476.5 599
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD56E8.634E4E10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9FB1A38000092; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 04:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkspD-0005Fl-CC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:14:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkspC-0005Fa-Co for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:14:38 +0100 Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.192]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkspA-0004fv-Ng for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:14:37 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.52] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 08:14:35 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 08:14:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 08:14:34 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=btopenworld.com Result=Signature OK X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 977860.15251.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 37719 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2012 08:14:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Xxfz6g339JLSk7cTRgeIPl6bc7YaSh/3cz38lC6qEhUFkPwqHMM6rYb4phjMuhE+kEuPARD7VSlCnszl9D8vk4oIVb3+STTgrM0k0ks8YmtfQepljMCyP6M6zXNDFH0NzzvPt7wKbbeTaN8amOjCRgSZvsjDMHr8FjpltQgpt50= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1341044074; bh=E0+I5ZAoa+OlJkAMPY+B6gSfzYFGHT5BEBi1klpBe44=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ulKj2t4Eqs2AL9X42MKRuFW11c1xWna7ILt3qgmbpbRivVxSn66OKZ8J4HXtkJB/jVc2+rI35YIHpRPRPBna3j+2+QYVRIJCQMRPYax/8zdDX680tSUybBnp09SlErN8uXchWzEchzn5nua+3xwdDixavsG6W/qnm6giLJ4tmuU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: WdmADMIVM1lNv1Ny88Oe.DkONBBY0m7nT5Oph.0DQX1_Pw2 WmsJT1Wn8YtubZg1C3JVxN2VEtWw5OB7iEiNBh8M7M0cZJCAT3WWtan92L3_ PeScUd7Phvb_EDcJGMx9bBlcBVQ22tSYDhw3D4uxS5EWTf4DnRetKMF7g138 iG_iOcUD4cdpKzYbwgJ3hXyEhtRMNLobDyEaWWHZh3SjAqqB.Ay2vlPylevf xWlkv04UoZg3FUfkWY826n1GTonFXIyBysRkQfNG8oaf69DUmkUKNHQQKOJX NhF3Z4cKDDYuuJJ1xZQQi.04Qk_M50uZFCBJsiItk0Qi8j_xj0RtQS0wddCC CjcfHmrl48S.1iIKshGADjLtQc3PJ6A8xDYFQ4B2HVY2R_AMAqpqBOdMpWJ5 9672LVplMdUtj3WutLdXoCAR8BcybbNPS X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.185.202.35 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 08:14:34 +0000 GMT Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <0F87F4C0AE524B1E9EA631C81D579573@gnat> <4FEE3A73.1090602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEE3A73.1090602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:14:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Stefan, LF Group, The mechanical filter consists of an array of metal disks or rods that are mechanically resonant near the centre frequency of the filter. In order to convert the electrical input and output to/from mechanical vibration, there are transducers at the input and output, sometimes piezo-electric, but in this case probably magnetostrictive. These are a coil of wire wound around magnetic material which changes shape slightly depending on the magnetic flux. So electrically, the input and output of your filter are inductors - in order to get efficient transfer of signal power into the transducers and through the filter, they must be tuned to resonance, like any LC filter circuit. If they are not correctly tuned, little power from the mechanical resonators inside the filter will be coupled to the source and load, so the resonators will have very little damping, and the filter will have large peaks in the response, as you saw. Also, the insertion loss will be higher. The same type of behaviour with mis-matched loads occurs with almost any filter - LC, crystal, ceramic, cavity, etc. A similar effect occurs if one resonator is defective - in this case the mis-match occurs inside the filter. [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.192 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: LF: Re: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459325600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d302.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914feeb5c5627d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Stefan, LF Group, The mechanical filter consists of an array of metal disks or rods that are mechanically resonant near the centre frequency of the filter. In order to convert the electrical input and output to/from mechanical vibration, there are transducers at the input and output, sometimes piezo-electric, but in this case probably magnetostrictive. These are a coil of wire wound around magnetic material which changes shape slightly depending on the magnetic flux. So electrically, the input and output of your filter are inductors - in order to get efficient transfer of signal power into the transducers and through the filter, they must be tuned to resonance, like any LC filter circuit. If they are not correctly tuned, little power from the mechanical resonators inside the filter will be coupled to the source and load, so the resonators will have very little damping, and the filter will have large peaks in the response, as you saw. Also, the insertion loss will be higher. The same type of behaviour with mis-matched loads occurs with almost any filter - LC, crystal, ceramic, cavity, etc. A similar effect occurs if one resonator is defective - in this case the mis-match occurs inside the filter. You can probably use the input and output resonating capacitors to match your filter directly to 50R, using two capacitors in a series or shunt matching arrangement, like some have used for loop antennas. But buffer amlifiers might be needed to provide stable input and and output impedances for the filter, and provide some gain to compensate for the insertion loss. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B38C38000084; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd96Z-0003uG-2I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 01:00:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd96Y-0003u4-HB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 01:00:34 +0100 Received: from mta01.eastlink.ca ([24.224.136.30]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd96W-0001ll-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 01:00:33 +0100 Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-21.01 64bit (built Feb 16 2011)) with ESMTP id <0M5B00JQBPCUTTZ0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 21:00:30 -0300 (ADT) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=LMsdsOq9 c=1 sm=1 a=jxj8a989oEgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ZjIqTmGINkQKjhCx/60B3Q==:117 Received: from blk-89-225-185.eastlink.ca (HELO OfficePC) ([24.89.225.185]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 21:00:30 -0300 From: Vernon Matheson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CF13DA2999C95F-250-7AFD@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> <001701cd45c6$e3bfee60$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <8CF13DF5AA6BDA8-250-7CC1@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> <003501cd45cc$eadbca10$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <4FD289A2.8000400@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <004601cd45d1$2cc6a630$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-reply-to: <004601cd45d1$2cc6a630$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:00:30 +0000 Message-id: <000001cd45d2$e25e9330$a71bb990$@ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-index: Ac1F0buCWmsrjG+MRwa+6dgaVVYRJAAAKz1A Content-language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: GyY= A97q C2EZ C4Qq D347 EiVy FVym Fmnc GBLu GPO0 G+C2 HZwI JC3z JeRb LseN L8Us;1;cgBzAGcAYgBfAGwAZgBfAGcAcgBvAHUAcABAAGIAbABhAGMAawBzAGgAZQBlAHAALgBvAHIAZwA=;Sosha1_v1;7;{A4089F9B-ABBF-4597-A827-428A2912EE6A};dgBtAGEAdABoAEAAZQBhAHMAdABsAGkAbgBrAC4AYwBhAA==;Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:57:45 GMT;VgBFADEAVgBEAE0AIABnAHIAYQBiAGIAZQByACAAbwBuACAAMQAzADcALgAwADAAMAAgAG8AdgBlAHIAIABuAGkAZwBoAHQA x-cr-puzzleid: {A4089F9B-ABBF-4597-A827-428A2912EE6A} X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [24.224.136.30 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: c0d2c0a39c178a394b11875986897703 Subject: LF: VE1VDM grabber on 137.000 over night Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:255427920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fd292531a17 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AC7E03800008C; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sft8W-0006NR-Qz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:33:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sft8W-0006NI-4b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:33:56 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sft8U-00026I-LS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:33:55 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d08 with ME id P1Zt1j0044U6hVe031ZtVf; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:33:53 +0200 Message-ID: <7AA545D0B9B44457A27CDF46205D3600@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:33:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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This 'new' band is not very comfortable : ( [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1494fdc8b9068aa X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none So far 477 may be a good spot , beacons on 477 , but if the max mod frequency is 1010 Hz , that puts Op HF of the side bands ? wspr 477.600 , to use the top 200 Hz ? This 'new' band is not very comfortable : ( G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Albert" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 10:54 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? > G, > > Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. > > 73, Albert > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 77A3838000084; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 05:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbpyW-0002im-Vy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:22:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbpyW-0002id-DB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:22:52 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbpyT-0001Pm-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:22:51 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFAOnKzU9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFnlwDlVOBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQoDCRkUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQENhXOBbAMPrVINiU6KM2AaglSDIgOIDYUwl1SCYIFfgT4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="388336804" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 10:22:48 +0100 Message-ID: <002101cd42fc$c4e3d5f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net><4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de><4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net><77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk><517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk><4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><016101cd427d$7f76f4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:22:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John I supplied all the info required and this was accepted. Is it something to do with my talktalk email address instead of a yahoo email address. I am sure others are having the same problem. That is why I suggested the vote be cast openly on here and blacksheep. All that is needed is for members to state YES or NO to the changes in a neutral environment rather than via the Yahoo reflector only de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 91e1efbff209cbddb14bc9e018c2cfe8 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD42FC.C49C6CB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:504419808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fcdd02c7299 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD42FC.C49C6CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John I supplied all the info required and this was accepted. Is it something = to do with my talktalk email address instead of a yahoo email address. I am sure others are having the same problem. That is why I suggested = the vote be cast openly on here and blacksheep. All that is needed is = for members to state YES or NO to the changes in a neutral environment = rather than via the Yahoo reflector only de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:10 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Mal, =20 Thanks, interesting point. I can see that you are a member, but on my = admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. Without this = you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, = etc. =20 I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a Yahoo = ID, but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the = formalities. =20 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton wrote: John With my talktalk email account, I cannot access any of the options = that you specify. a Gmail account might be different g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Stefan,=20 I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo = account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and = that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised = by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =20 I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll = on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =20 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer = wrote: Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a = yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging = the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts = that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to = codeterminate in this process. My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group = compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, = where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before = the voting period ends. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD42FC.C49C6CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
I supplied all the info required and this = was=20 accepted. Is it something to do with my talktalk email address instead = of a=20 yahoo email address.
I am sure others are having the same problem. = That is why=20 I suggested the vote be cast openly on here and blacksheep. All that is = needed=20 is for members to state YES or NO to the changes in a neutral = environment rather=20 than via the Yahoo reflector only
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 = 9:10=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black = Sheep

Mal,  

Thanks, interesting point.  I can see that you are a member, = but on=20 my admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. =  Without this=20 you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, = etc.=20  

I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a = Yahoo ID,=20 but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the = formalities.=20  

73 John, G3WKL


On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
With my talktalk email account,  I = cannot access=20 any of the options that you specify. a Gmail account might be=20 different
g3kev
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From: = John Gould
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 3:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black=20 Sheep

Stefan,=20

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a = yahoo=20 account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail = account and=20 that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group = with your=20 Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be = authorised by one=20 of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a = poll on=20 the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they = voted.=20  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=20 wrote:
Hi=20 Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list = but=20 without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This=20 situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind = those who=20 are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside = the=20 poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote = is pro=20 blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As = long as the=20 two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to = win and=20 the other will be shut down after some time.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive = Lorton:
If=20 you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting=20 period ends.
 =20 =



------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD42FC.C49C6CB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AF738380000B8; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbE9T-0002o7-Ey for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:59:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbE9S-0002ny-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:59:38 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbE9Q-0002fP-LD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:59:37 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAHOXy09Ok8gE/2dsb2JhbABEtCGBCA8BAYICBQEBBQgBAQM8BQgCLAEBAwUCAQMRAwEBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBDASHXAMPqDCDOg2JTooxYAKGDgOIDYUwl1SCYIFf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="393264099" Received: from host-78-147-200-4.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.200.4]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 17:59:33 +0100 Message-ID: <002601cd41aa$4021dfe0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:59:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Eddie You are not reading all the emails and yes he can reply but he seems to have gone Underground. G3XBM pse respond and put Eddie in the picture ----- Original Message ----- From: g3zjo To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: ae3221d431bd19e5880aa98eda07ece4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD41AA.3FEB1870" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472697504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fcb98304655 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD41AA.3FEB1870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eddie=20 You are not reading all the emails and yes he can reply but he seems to = have gone Underground. G3XBM pse respond and put Eddie in the picture=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20 Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that = a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose = opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging = or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised = group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to = lies. Eddie ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - rather busy on = a number of other fronts. However, as I have looked in to post the = thing about the poll saw the comments below. =20 What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can = you elaborate as I am not aware of this. =20 In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange = the Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using = the URL from one on the many published sources would be able to find the = group. I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be = saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on the same basic = topic. 73 John, G3WKL On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris wrote: Mal, I agree. Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a = year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF = Today' and probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably = links to this site from others which will be around for years. Vy 73 all, Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" = To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status John Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any = serious problems with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small = attachments and for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has = worked well this has been pointed out by others. I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I = get more adverts that I do not need. Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted = on Yahoo de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status To John, G3WKL, Please do NOT shut down this reflector. 1. It's active in positive sense. 2. There are too many hams here who say "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven Brave New World were each posting will be "googleable" for ever. Me too. That's the reason I unsubscribed from some Yapoo-Groups recently. 73 Peter, df3lp No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5042 - Release Date: = 06/03/12 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD41AA.3FEB1870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Eddie
You are not reading all the emails and yes he = can reply=20 but he seems to have gone Underground.
G3XBM pse respond and put Eddie in the picture=20
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 g3zjo=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some = time back=20 indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban = persons=20 like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his,  this = is=20 hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth = operation of any=20 organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure = Roger can=20 stick up for himself but please don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 John=20 Gould
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 2:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: = O.T.:=20 Reflector status

Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - = rather=20 busy on a number of other fronts.  However, as I have looked = in to=20 post the thing about the poll saw the comments below.  =20

What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - = can you=20 elaborate as I am not aware of this.  

In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would = arrange the=20 Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using = the URL=20 from one on the many published sources would be able to find the=20 group.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to = be=20 saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on the same = basic=20 topic.

73 John, G3WKL

On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> = wrote:
Mal,=20 I agree.
Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest = after a=20 year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB = book 'LF=20 Today' and probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are = probably=20 links to this site from others which will be around for = years.
Vy 73=20 all,
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message ----- From: "mal = hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: = <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent:=20 Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status


John
Keep=20 Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious=20 problems
with it. It is perfectly functional and useful = with small=20 attachments and
for larger screen shots then Dropbox is = suitable=20 and has worked well this
has been pointed out by = others.
I=20 cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get = more
adverts that I do not need.
Any mention of = Underground=20 LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo
de=20 mal/g3kev


----- Original Message -----
From: = "pws"=20 <pws@legal-medicine.de>
To: = <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent:=20 Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector=20 status


To=20 John, G3WKL,

Please do NOT shut down this=20 reflector.

1. It's active in positive = sense.

2. There=20 are too many hams here who say
"no thanks!" to that = advertisement=20 driven
Brave New World were each posting will = be
"googleable"=20 for ever. Me too.

That's the reason I unsubscribed=20 from
some Yapoo-Groups recently.

73 Peter,=20 = df3lp






No virus = found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.2178 / = Virus=20 Database: 2425/5042 - Release Date:=20 06/03/12


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SA beacon audible at present on 472.5 = approx. good=20 signal
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01CD4E1F.DB3B1F10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 881193800008A; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbuvI-0005sm-D7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:39:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbuvH-0005sd-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:39:51 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbuvG-0002fZ-5x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:39:50 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhsFAD0Zzk9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFnl4DlVWBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDBA0EAQEKDBkUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPrWQNiU6KM2AaglQMgxYDiA2FMJdUgmCBX4E+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="388373614" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 15:39:49 +0100 Message-ID: <00df01cd4329$0e776c00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008101cd4316$964358f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:39:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John Just signed in again and it says membership pending !! de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: vote [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: eeb98d9e5f7535b37e24952fd7f85252 Subject: Re: LF: vote Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CD4329.0E21AAE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492623840:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fce1a6f7c9c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CD4329.0E21AAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Just signed in again and it says membership pending !! de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: vote Mal, I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. = I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means that = you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership of = the RSGB_LF_Group list (yet). 73 John, G3WKL On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton wrote: John I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open to me in spite of = being able to log in I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors going and this will = satisfy all concerned. My main objection was the way the transition suddenly took place = without proper consultation. I would suggest everyone votes openly on both reflectors, to avoid = lock outs like we are hearing about from several others. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CD4329.0E21AAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
Just signed in again and it says membership = pending=20 !!
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 = 1:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: vote

Mal,

I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. =  I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means = that=20 you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership = of the=20 RSGB_LF_Group list (yet).

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not = open to me=20 in spite of being able to log in
I therefore VOTE here to keep both = reflectors going=20 and this will satisfy all concerned.
My main objection was the way the transition = suddenly took place without proper consultation.
I would suggest everyone votes openly on = both=20 reflectors, to avoid lock outs like we are hearing about from = several=20 others.
 
de mal/g3kev
 

------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CD4329.0E21AAE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0BD66380000DE; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scisd-0004eo-Hg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:00:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scisc-0004eZ-Qz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:00:26 +0100 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scisa-00042u-LN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:00:25 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q57K0NON010496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 17:30:23 -0230 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 17:30:23 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MUN-Disclaimer: http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/elect_communications_disclaimer_2012.php X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hi Stefan, I look forward to getting on 472-479 and having a QSO with your station on CW. 73 and tnx Joe [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 66d07794ca19cd68f7d6cc289cd4ac18 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:447109312:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4fd1088975de X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, I look forward to getting on 472-479 and having a QSO with your station on CW. 73 and tnx Joe On Thu, 7 Jun 2012, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Hi Joe, LF, > > Yes, we're here of course :-) > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy nar= row=20 > band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when th= e=20 > new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended frequency r= ange=20 > then or will you have to QSY? > And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? Woul= d it=20 > be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? > It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however wit= h a=20 > 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: >>=20 >> Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... >>=20 >> The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and >> a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. >>=20 >> 73 >> Joe VO1NA >>=20 >> This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at >> http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.= php=20 > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B5CE6380000AB; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBut-0000Nz-4z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:36:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBus-0000Nq-Jl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:36:26 +0100 Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbBuq-0001pE-FU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:36:25 +0100 Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hp9y1j0051ZXKqc5DqcNS9; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:36:22 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HqcM1j01F0CFS1j3hqcNEN; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:36:22 +0000 Message-ID: <006a01cd4196$3f0d52b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" , References: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:36:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: <2 cents> It seems only a couple folks are requesting an immediate shutdown of blacksheep. Why not let both run simultaneously for some time and see which wins out? It should be a simple matter to judge, after a period of time, which is more popular. [...] Content analysis details: (1.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.59.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 5fc8987c5011a8849fb47b0998281191 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01CD4174.B7C00940" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:208123712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fcb76a2347f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01CD4174.B7C00940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <2 cents> It seems only a couple folks are requesting an immediate shutdown of blacksheep. Why not let both run simultaneously for some time and see which wins out? It should be a simple matter to judge, after a period of time, which is more popular. Some folks (me included) are not interested in having their messages archived for eternity ... or looking for a place to upload articles or pictures of a new gadget. There are other simple options for doing this outside of yahoo. I don't want to notified each time someone uploads a new snapshot. I'm set up to receive both yahoo and blacksheep via e mail so don't see the 'fuss' to receive both. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01CD4174.B7C00940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 <2 cents>
 
It seems only a couple folks are = requesting an=20 immediate shutdown of blacksheep. Why not let both run = simultaneously for=20 some time and see which wins out? It should be a simple matter to judge, = after a=20 period of time, which is more = popular.  
 
Some folks (me = included) are not=20 interested in having their messages archived for = eternity ... or=20 looking for a place to upload articles or pictures of a new gadget. = There=20 are other simple options for doing this outside of yahoo. I don't = want=20 to notified each time someone uploads a new=20 snapshot.
 
I'm set up to receive both yahoo and = blacksheep via=20 e mail so don't see the 'fuss' to receive both.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  = WE2XGR/2
 
</2=20 cents>          
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------=_NextPart_000_0066_01CD4174.B7C00940-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 28CED380000BD; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scjk2-0005bV-HE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:55:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scjk2-0005bJ-54 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:55:38 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scjjz-0004Tw-Qc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:55:37 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q57KtZB9022469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:55:35 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57KtZEg013979 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:55:35 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD114EA.60200@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:54:02 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000901cd44bf$d7d97f10$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <004901cd44e0$644b4530$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <4FD10FE4.7030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thank you Roelof! Am 07.06.2012 22:45, schrieb Roelof Bakker: > Hello Stefan, > > Excellent signal in Middelburg, Netherlands, this evening. > Only 25 dB weaker than the carrier of DCF39! Oh, that must be a strange propagation effect :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 59677119386dcf9f1872cb454dc1331d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425698624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fd115731ac4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thank you Roelof! Am 07.06.2012 22:45, schrieb Roelof Bakker: > Hello Stefan, > > Excellent signal in Middelburg, Netherlands, this evening. > Only 25 dB weaker than the carrier of DCF39! Oh, that must be a strange propagation effect :-) 73, Stefan > > See attachment. > > 73, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 15E1A380000B5; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbFMs-0004MM-OY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:17:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbFMs-0004MD-9J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:17:34 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbFMq-000388-SN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:17:33 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArwBAGWpy09OlnGb/2dsb2JhbAANN4stoBCFFIZnCQEBAQEDgQkLAwEFDwkWDwkDAgECAUUTCAEBvVOLEYJ6gxYDlRuSVw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="394724292" Received: from host-78-150-113-155.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.2.7]) ([78.150.113.155]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 03 Jun 2012 19:17:31 +0100 Message-ID: <4FCBAA26.1070406@psk31.plus.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:17:10 +0100 From: g3zjo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8208EBBB3DEF446C8B540F5BEBB38570@AGB> In-Reply-To: <8208EBBB3DEF446C8B540F5BEBB38570@AGB> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: On 03/06/2012 19:09, Graham wrote: > ''professional amateurs''. > Ah .... tricky that one ! > G.. > > girls school, all bitching, tantrums and tears Now that's more like it.:-) Eddie On 03/06/2012 19:09, Graham wrote: [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: Fence sitter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070807020703030505000302" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473313536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4fcbaa727b85 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070807020703030505000302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 19:09, Graham wrote: > ''professional amateurs''. > Ah .... tricky that one ! > G.. > > girls school, all bitching, tantrums and tears Now that's more like it.:-) Eddie --------------070807020703030505000302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 19:09, Graham wrote:
''professional amateurs''.
 
Ah .... tricky that one  !
 
G..

girls school, all bitching, tantrums and tears
Now that's more like it. :-)

Eddie

--------------070807020703030505000302-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6CCC838000185; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbF6L-00042W-Jz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:00:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbF6K-00042N-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:00:28 +0100 Received: from relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net ([217.69.40.75] helo=uk1rly2283.eechost.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbF6J-00032K-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:00:27 +0100 Received: from [88.151.27.235] (helo=Shack) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SbF21-0004zl-0n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:56:01 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Tony" To: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:00:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Auth-Info: 3810@permanet.ie (login) X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 217.69.40.75 (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net) used invalid HELO/EHLO uk1rly2283.eechost.net - verification failed X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I will put my hand up and admit that I'm one of those members that doesn't post very often. To make matters worse, I don't transmit and only receive LF on a very irregular basis. The reason I joined the black sheep reflector was to get technical information to enable me to eventually build an LF system, and that is the reason I'm still here. On many days the reflector is full of reception reports which are of no interest to me at all, also requests for skeds which again are of no interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on 10m & 6m which I can easily see for myself on any cluster. All these unwanted (for me) posts are easily marked as "read" in my email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy if all post were duplicated over two different reflectors. [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [217.69.40.75 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (tonybaldwin[at]yahoo.com) 1.0 FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 'From' yahoo.com does not match 'Received' headers 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: bf9cd6b3d49c805062abf73a1027fea8 Subject: LF: Fence sitter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0241_01CD41B2.BEE31670" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:405172608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194fcba6795e8d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0241_01CD41B2.BEE31670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will put my hand up and admit that I'm one of those members that = doesn't post very often. To make matters worse, I don't transmit and only receive LF on a very = irregular basis. The reason I joined the black sheep reflector was to get technical = information to enable me to eventually build an LF system, and that is = the reason I'm still here. On many days the reflector is full of reception reports which are of no = interest to me at all, also requests for skeds which again are of no = interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on 10m & 6m which I = can easily see for myself on any cluster. All these unwanted (for me) posts are easily marked as "read" in my = email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy if all post were = duplicated over two different reflectors. So I shall continue to sit on the fence and see which reflector attracts = the technical posters, including "underground" earth mode results, and = use that one and cancel the other. I have to say that the last few days have reminded me of a girls school, = all bitching, tantrums and tears. Not really what you would expect from = grown up professional amateurs. Tony, EI8JK. ------=_NextPart_000_0241_01CD41B2.BEE31670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will put my hand up and admit that = I'm one of=20 those members that doesn't post very often.
To make matters worse, I don't = transmit and=20 only receive LF on a very irregular basis.
 
The reason I joined the black sheep = reflector was=20 to get technical information to enable me to eventually build an LF = system, and=20 that is the reason I'm still here.
On many days the reflector is full of = reception=20 reports which are of no interest to me at all, also requests for skeds = which=20 again are of no interest to me, I've even seen reports of activity on = 10m &=20 6m which I can easily see for myself on any cluster.
All these unwanted (for me) posts are = easily marked=20 as "read" in my email program, but I'm not sure I would find it so easy = if all=20 post were duplicated over two different reflectors.
 
So I shall continue to sit on the fence = and see=20 which reflector attracts the technical posters, including "underground" = earth=20 mode results, and use that one and cancel the other.
 
I have to say that the last few days = have reminded=20 me of a girls school, all bitching, tantrums and tears. Not really what = you=20 would expect from grown up professional amateurs.
 
Tony, EI8JK.
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LF amp project
 
photo 2
 
G3KEV
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jan, Thanks for the info. Are you ready for a QSO? We can try. When i disconnect the antenna, the noise drops by more than 40 dB, so maybe it works on 501 as well. I still haven't heared a amateur radio station on MF in my live! So that would be a very premair. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:467747040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fdcf0cc1018 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jan, Thanks for the info. Are you ready for a QSO? We can try. When i=20 disconnect the antenna, the noise drops by more than 40 dB, so maybe it=20 works on 501 as well. I still haven't heared a amateur radio station on MF in my live! So that=20 would be a very premair. If you are ready, tell me aQRG... 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 22:23, schrieb pa3abk: > Stefan, > > I can hear you, marginal... > In QSO some other DL station (?) > > But maybe it's better to listen on 501kHz, possible the filter is=20 > less attenuated there. > Have my doubts, because you are very deep in the noise (and static) > > FYI I have H24 solid CW QSO with g3xiz mostly S-7/8 about same=20 > distance both using about 100W. > > Jan/pa3abk > > > NNNN > On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> MF, >> >> Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band=20 >> filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an=20 >> overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX=20 >> performs much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see=20 >> several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field=20 >> signal. >> >> My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look=20 >> for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters=20 >> in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth=20 >> a try. >> >> Starting now! >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8C4A23800008C; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SawFB-0002BG-1u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:52:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SawFA-0002B7-8T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:52:20 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SawF7-0007Q9-He for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:52:19 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d09 with ME id HZsG1j0030Lx2rm03ZsG0g; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:52:16 +0200 Message-ID: <5952D61A7FEB48A295AE516C01835D21@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1338658900.90499.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338658900.90499.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:52:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: No problem Pete Seems activity on 500k mid summer is higher than mid winter , over 16 stations showing up to day , and one new station to MF on my decode list 19:34 500 G3YXM Op4 +2 dB : ) Ae system is working well , top of my loaded wire L is bent back on its self , not convinced its the best arrangement , now the mast has been replaced and the blocks are free, I can try a few changes , see what happens , luckily with about 150 watts I can decode via the delft web-sdr , so thats a good remote f/s meter hi [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 63d9573fd5b71bb4894e61e9d99f1314 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_019E_01CD4112.5B798600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488789184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fca8b49189b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019E_01CD4112.5B798600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No problem Pete Seems activity on 500k mid summer is higher than mid winter , = over 16 stations showing up to day , and one new station to MF = on my decode list 19:34 500 G3YXM Op4 +2 dB : ) Ae system is working well , top of my loaded wire L is bent = back on its self , not convinced its the best arrangement , now the = mast has been replaced and the blocks are free, I can try a few = changes , see what happens , luckily with about 150 watts I can = decode via the delft web-sdr , so thats a good remote f/s meter = hi=20 73 -G. =20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 6:41 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT Thanks for all the info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on and now me = it only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I mailed = him today ........... via this medium. The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power (depending upon = output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's = currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for = the logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, = limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate = the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the device I supose. The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer via = a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the "Top" of the = transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon insulating washers = throught the wall and straight up to the 8inch ribbed glass insulator = about 35 feet then on a slope to a 24foot mast (soon to increased to = 35feet). Tuned against several long earthing wires. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 17:19 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Ok Pete, These are all the decodes I have , I was using the Skanti r5003 Rx = with 40 ft alloy scaffold pole vertical , no atu , only the = pre-selector in the rx , fed vis abt 90 feet of rg213 coax=20 Good signal for 10 watts , just on the edge for the qso mode , = at -20 dB minimum , but 15 watts would do the job ! As I say its the only plug-and-play data mode , just plug in = place of the CW key ( the development was based on the racal = ma1723 , in CW mode at 20 wpm as the maximum keying speed and = envelope shape) 73 -G. 14:00 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:07 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:38 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB 11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi Graham Yes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon trying to make = up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable power on the rig (GW3UEP) = Class E Fet O/P stage Gate. PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a = bit now actually done nothing to stop it....... weird. I have only just got my head around opera...... thought it was a = linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW = transmission which I like. Thanks for all the info on opera btw. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:37 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Wow and that was just using the Op w/fall ! You could reduce to = 2 watts and still decode ! =20 Glad the system is working for you=20 G..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Thanks Paul Graham is right about QRG. My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer (not = affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial could be 503.275 ? +/- a bit ! G. From: Clemens Paul=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting What is the actual tx qrg then? Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: = 01.06.2012=20 ------=_NextPart_000_019E_01CD4112.5B798600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No problem Pete
 
Seems  activity on   500k  mid  = summer =20 is  higher  than  mid winter  , over  16 = stations =20 showing  up  to  day , and  one  new  = station=20  to  MF  on my  decode  list  19:34 500 G3YXM Op4 +2 dB : )
 
Ae system  is  working  well  , = top=20 of  my  loaded  wire  L  is bent  = back  on=20 its self , not  convinced its the  best arrangement ,  = now=20 the  mast has  been  replaced  and the  = blocks =20 are  free, I can  try a  few  changes , = see   what=20 happens , luckily  with  about  150 watts  I = can =20 decode  via the  delft  web-sdr  , so  thats a=20 good   remote  f/s  meter hi 
 
73 -G. 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 6:41 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW=20 QRT

Thanks for all the info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on = and now=20 me it only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I = mailed him=20 today ........... via this medium.
 
The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power=20 (depending upon output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA = voltage it's=20 currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for = the=20 logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, = limits the=20 power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate the supply = to the=20 PA and get a lot more from the device I supose.
The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter = transformer=20 via a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the = "Top"=20 of the transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon = insulating=20 washers throught the wall and straight up  to=20 the 8inch ribbed glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope = to a=20 24foot mast (soon to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long = earthing=20 wires.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 17:19
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Ok  Pete,
 
These are all  the  decodes  I have , I was using = the =20 Skanti  r5003  Rx  with    40 ft alloy=20 scaffold  pole   vertical  , no  atu , = only =20 the  pre-selector  in the  rx , fed vis  abt  = 90 feet=20 of  rg213 coax
 
Good  signal  for  10 watts  , just on = the =20 edge  for the  qso  mode  , at  -20 dB  = minimum ,=20 but  15 watts  would  do  the  job !
 
As I say  its  the  only  = plug-and-play  =20 data  mode  , just plug in place of the  CW key  ( = the =20 development  was  based on the  racal  ma1723  = ,=20 in  CW mode at  20  wpm  as the maximum  =20 keying  speed and  envelope  shape)
 
 
73 -G.
 
 
 
 
14:00 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:07 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB
12:38 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB
12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB
12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB
11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB
 
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Hi Graham
 
Yes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon = trying to=20 make up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable = power on the=20 rig (GW3UEP) Class E Fet O/P = stage Gate.=20 PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actually done = nothing to=20 stop it....... weird.
 I have only just got my head around opera......  thought = it was=20 a linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW = transmission which I=20 like.
 
Thanks for all the info on opera btw.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:37
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Wow   and that  was  just using the  = Op =20 w/fall !  You  could  reduce to  2 watts   = and  still  decode !  
 
Glad the  system  is  working  for  you =
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Thanks Paul
 
Graham is right about QRG.
 
My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC = keyer=20 (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer = looking.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>= ;
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:12
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

could be   503.275  ?   +/-   a=20 bit  !
 
G.

From: Clemens = Paul=20
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at = all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject:=20 LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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Pete es co
The 500 Khz rig that I built in a  couple of hours. Components = from=20 the junk box. The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of=20 transistors.
Class E single ended one FET.
At the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an = exciter, a=20 couple of diodes to SQ the sinewave.
The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic ex TU7B tuning = unit.
I put a good signal into the USA es Canada es Moscow with=20 this transmitter on CW.
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, You wrote: > ... Today i want to inform > you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of Darmstadt, > http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run by Christoph > Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. Seems they want to > observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some earthquake precursors. > ... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 7aa9ad08848e488e22e0ff1d71f4ef1d Subject: Re: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:340156256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4feac9864f8a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, You wrote: > ... Today i want to inform > you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of Darmstadt, > http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run by Christoph > Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. Seems they want to > observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some earthquake precursors. > ... Missing many usual suspects at LF like MSF, 60 kHz or 81 kHz from Inskip etc. Instead 45.9 kHz, Sicily, appears at reasonable strength. May be they are running a loop with E/W-nulls? Furthermore those typical rise of noise floor from soundcards running at high sampling rates is visible. So, some 15-20 dB more gain especially above 30 kHz is recommended. Peter, Kiel http://df3lp.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1FEF2380000BE; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShP9u-0003lQ-1t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:57:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShP9t-0003lH-El for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:57:37 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShP9q-00057a-QD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:57:36 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5KHvWe7019928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:57:33 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5KHvWFv010178 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:57:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE20EA2.7050005@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:55:46 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> <0C6B2C0519D74D279732BB4DC9974B3A@standard9dmup1> In-Reply-To: <0C6B2C0519D74D279732BB4DC9974B3A@standard9dmup1> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Horst, Walter, MF, Walter is right. A very good work was done DK4VW (and all involved) and we can be happy about the very fast permission. Just a reminder what you said in februrary, 15th, this year (partly marked in red) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 T_FRT_STOCK2 BODY: ReplaceTags: Stock (2) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4ad75ad27eb9a353f40105f6e3872b5c Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050903040706050005060405" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436904480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fe20f4926ac X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050903040706050005060405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5KHvWe7019928 Hello Horst, Walter, MF, Walter is right. A very good work was done DK4VW (and all involved) and=20 we can be happy about the very fast permission. Just a reminder what you said in februrary, 15th, this year (partly=20 marked in red) -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: LF: 472-479 kHz - no illusions for DL Datum: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:34:49 +0100 (CET) Von: "Horst St=C3=B6cker" Antwort an: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org */Hello Stefan, hello Walter, /* */the VO Funk / Radio Regulation is international law. I am in doubt if=20 this will be fully implemented in national law in Germany very soon. In=20 the past our Bundesnetzagentur did not see the VO Funk as MUST but as=20 CAN. The Bundesnetzagentur itself will not be interested in=20 actualisation of the Frequenzzuweisungsplanverordnung, the=20 Frequenznutzungsplan and the Amateurfunkverordnung. Funny words that=20 sound as complicated as german authorities work . . . /* */So it depends on the DARC. But I do not expect much from them. If they=20 would really bring us on 472kHz within 2012 this was really a reason to=20 join the club again. /* */Horst/* ----------------------------- So, that is about 4 months ago! And now we have the permission. And you=20 said this would really be a reason to join the club again! But now you=20 say "/I know ones more why I left the club!/" Odd. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Are you able to radiate 1 W ERP on 475 kHz? Am 20.06.2012 17:57, schrieb Walter Staubach: > Horst, > as you already did in earlier times you do now: Standing besides=20 > the road and tell to hard working people what they should have done=20 > better. > Note: If the MF-regulation does not meet your needs - you are not=20 > forced to use this nice band. Others will do with pleasure. > 73 > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* "Horst St=C3=B6cker" > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:54 AM > *Subject:* Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams > > Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full > implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by > the BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012? > The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really? > The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class > E. Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with > max. 9W ERP. Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences > in germany. As HAM with class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing. > It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with > one Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP > (now BNetzA) remembered that there were experimental stations > (like my DA5FS) with every kind of licences. So one decided for > the only logical consequence: >250THz ist still allocated to class > A AND E HAMs. > Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the clu= b! > Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN) > --------------050903040706050005060405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5KHvWe7019928 Hello Horst, Walter, MF,

Walter is right. A very good work was done DK4VW (and all involved)=C2=A0 and we can be happy about the very fast permission.

Just a reminder what you said in februrary, 15th, this year (partly marked in red)

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: = LF: 472-479 kHz - no illusions for DL
Datum: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:34:49 +0100 (CET)
Von: "Horst St=C3=B6cker" <horst.stoecker@web.de>
Antwort a= n: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org


Hello Stefan, hello Walter,
the VO Funk / Radio Regulation is international law. = I am in doubt if this will be fully implemented in national law in Germany very soon. In the past our Bundesnetzagentur did not see the VO Funk as MUST but as CAN.=C2= =A0 The Bundesnetzagentur itself will not be interested in actualisation of the Frequenzzuweisungsplanverordnung, the Frequenznutzungsplan and the Amateurfunkverordnung. Funny words that sound as complicated as german authorities work . . .
So it depends on the DARC. But I do not expect much from them. If they would really bring us on 472kHz within 2012 this was really a reason to join the club again.
Horst

-----------------------------

So, that is about 4 months ago! And now we have the permission. And you said this would really be a reason to join the club again! But now you say "I know ones more why I left the club!"

Odd.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Are you able to radiate 1 W ERP on 475 kHz?


Am 20.06.2012 17:57, schrieb Walter Staubach:
Horst,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 as you already = did in earlier times you do now: Standing besides the road and tell to hard working people what they should have done better.
Note: If the MF-regulation does no= t meet your needs - you are not forced to use this nice band. Others will do with pleasure.
73
Walter
=C2=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:54 AM
Subject: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams

Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012?
The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really?
The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class E. Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. 9W ERP. Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. As HAM with class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing.
It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with one Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now BNetzA) remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with every kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: >250THz ist still allocated to class A AND E HAMs.
Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the club!
Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN)

--------------050903040706050005060405-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9662B380000B4; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Siqhy-0007Ut-Hr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:34:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Siqhx-0007Uk-KX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:34:45 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Siqhv-0002pQ-OE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:34:44 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhMFAG9O509cHYH5/2dsb2JhbABEoC4DjyiGIoEIghMRAwEBA0kCLAIIAgEHARoCJxIBAgEBGgYkGQQBAgIBAYd+l02gHpE1A4gVhTZ6kA+GW4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,468,1336345200"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="385735381" Received: from host-92-29-129-249.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.249]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2012 18:34:40 +0100 Message-ID: <000901cd522f$a0b3f060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:34:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham Reference Pitcairn Is. I spent some time around these Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spent Christmas on Christmas Island 1958 See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and all that !! especially South Hotel St I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 metres. I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. Daytime very quiet. g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_OBFU_JPG_ATTACH BODY: JPG attachment with generic MIME type 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: ea610d79349b76fb4c54431715bd4da0 Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD522F.A0190FF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81717 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:368159168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fe74fed5553 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD522F.A0190FF0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD522F.A0190FF0" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD522F.A0190FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham Reference Pitcairn Is. I spent some time around these Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spent = Christmas on Christmas Island 1958 See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and = all that !! especially South Hotel St I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 = metres. I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. = Daytime very quiet. g3kev ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01CD522F.A0190FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Graham
Reference Pitcairn Is.
I spent some time around these Islands = in the=20 Pacific, in fact I spent Christmas on Christmas Island 1958
See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop = Honolulu,=20 grass skirts and all that !! especially South Hotel St
I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just = like=20 listening on 2 metres.
I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON = Honolulu 1200=20 miles away. Daytime very quiet.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Laurence I am on the East coast near the sea and both 160/600 are similar. I suppose at other locations things might be different although when I have been elswhere I have never noticed that the top end of the MF BROADCAST BAND differs much from the lower end in other words, seems fairly linear from 520 Khz to 1700 Khz. For a given distance the signals are just as strong at one end as the other during daytime and during darkness when the band opens up for DX Mal/G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 60cd3dc4440dc5d656099dfe3d5cf4d2 Subject: LF: Re: re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01CD4CA8.6BF13900" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494247776:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4fde196049ec X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01CD4CA8.6BF13900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Laurence I am on the East coast near the sea and both 160/600 are similar. I = suppose at other locations things might be different although when I = have been elswhere I have never noticed that the top end of the MF = BROADCAST BAND differs much from the lower end in other words, seems = fairly linear from 520 Khz to 1700 Khz. For a given distance the signals = are just as strong at one end as the other during daytime and during = darkness when the band opens up for DX Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Laurence KL7UK=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:48 PM Subject: LF: re: Further MF impressions Ive found 160/600m dx and even ground wave coverage very different = dependent on Geographic and Geomagnetic latitudes, topography etc. Even = the Iono QRN affects from lightning has a different "taste" It may be the same with Mal in the UK but my personal view is it hasnt = played out that way in a number of places Ive operated in/on globally. = Vivre la/le difference! (apologies!) Laurence KL1X enroute to AK (yipee) > From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:26:39 +0000 > Subject: LF: Re: Re: Further MF impressions >=20 > Alan > I work both 160 metres and 600 metres and find both similar. Daytime = range > and night time similar. > but you must compare like with like power and antenna wise. > I use a 1/4 wave inv L on each band up at 100 ft vertical, but = naturally the > 600 metre antenna is less efficient than the 160 metre therefore one = has to > adjust the power on 160 to get the same erp for comparison purposes. = In my > case 10w erp on each band > For those fiddling about with 400w pep on 160 and a variety of = antennas and > unknown erp and those with a few watts on 600 metres and often very = small > antennas you cannot draw any rational comparison > I can work over the same distances daytime on 160 or 600 and after = dark the > same applies to dx locations. >=20 > de mal/g3kev >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Melia" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:54 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions >=20 >=20 > > Stefan, the groundwave does not change, but what you have is = varying > amounts > > of skywave and daytime "fading" The wavelength is only a quarter = of that > at > > 136kHz so it only tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) = reflection > > height to give the same sort of constrctive and destructive = interference. > > 500kHz does not travel over land so well as the surface = "roughness" is > > bigger wrt a wavelength ( but even rough seas are generally less = "rough" > > than land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency and quite = different to > both > > 136 and top-band. There are times of the day when the fading can = be > vicious > > at relatively short range Also with the shorter wavelength most = antenna > > height limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at = 136kHz > > > > Enjoy the new "playground" :-)) > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:03 PM > > Subject: LF: Further MF impressions > > > > > > > MF, > > > > > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought = the xtal > > > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient = temperatures in > the > > > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is = significantly > > > lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the = band > > > noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current = setup. > > > > > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in = the > > > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > > > > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some = experience in > > > these first days... > > > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01CD4CA8.6BF13900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Laurence
I am on the East coast near the sea and = both=20 160/600 are similar. I suppose at other locations things might be = different=20 although when I have been elswhere I have never noticed that the top end = of the=20 MF BROADCAST BAND differs much from the lower end in other words, seems = fairly=20 linear from 520 Khz to 1700 Khz. For a given distance the signals are = just as=20 strong at one end as the other during daytime and during darkness when = the band=20 opens up for DX
Mal/G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Laurence KL7UK =
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 = 3:48 PM
Subject: LF: re: Further MF=20 impressions

Ive found 160/600m dx and even ground wave coverage = very=20 different dependent on Geographic and Geomagnetic latitudes, = topography etc. Even the Iono QRN affects from lightning has a = different=20 "taste"

It may be the same with Mal in the UK but my personal view is it = hasnt=20 played out that way in a number of places Ive operated in/on globally. = Vivre=20 la/le difference! (apologies!)

Laurence KL1X enroute to AK (yipee)



> From: = g3kevmal@talktalk.net
> To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> CC: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=20 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:26:39 +0000
> Subject: LF: Re: Re: = Further MF=20 impressions
>
> Alan
> I work both 160 metres and = 600=20 metres and find both similar. Daytime range
> and night time=20 similar.
> but you must compare like with like power and antenna = wise.
> I use a 1/4 wave inv L on each band up at 100 ft = vertical, but=20 naturally the
> 600 metre antenna is less efficient than the 160 = metre=20 therefore one has to
> adjust the power on 160 to get the same = erp for=20 comparison purposes. In my
> case 10w erp on each band
> = For those=20 fiddling about with 400w pep on 160 and a variety of antennas = and
>=20 unknown erp and those with a few watts on 600 metres and often very=20 small
> antennas you cannot draw any rational comparison
> = I can=20 work over the same distances daytime on 160 or 600 and after dark = the
>=20 same applies to dx locations.
>
> de mal/g3kev
> =
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Melia"=20 <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
> To:=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, = 2012 2:54=20 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions
>
> =
>=20 > Stefan, the groundwave does not change, but what you have is=20 varying
> amounts
> > of skywave and daytime "fading" = The=20 wavelength is only a quarter of that
> at
> > 136kHz so = it only=20 tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) reflection
> > = height to=20 give the same sort of constrctive and destructive = interference.
> >=20 500kHz does not travel over land so well as the surface "roughness" = is
>=20 > bigger wrt a wavelength ( but even rough seas are generally less=20 "rough"
> > than land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency = and=20 quite different to
> both
> > 136 and top-band. There = are times=20 of the day when the fading can be
> vicious
> > at = relatively=20 short range Also with the shorter wavelength most antenna
> > = height=20 limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at = 136kHz
>=20 >
> > Enjoy the new "playground" :-))
> >
> = >=20 Alan G3NYK
> >
> > ----- Original Message = -----
> >=20 From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
>=20 > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: = Sunday, June=20 17, 2012 3:03 PM
> > Subject: LF: Further MF = impressions
>=20 >
> >
> > > MF,
> > >
> > = > I=20 just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the = xtal
>=20 > > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient = temperatures=20 in
> the
> > > afternoon. But later i found that the = band=20 noise on MF is significantly
> > > lower than in the = evening, at=20 least 20 dB. So now i see that the band
> > > noise is = about 5 dB=20 above my soundcard noise with the current setup.
> > = >
>=20 > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer = and in=20 the
> > > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to=20 LF?
> > >
> > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the = grabber.=20 Nice tool to get some experience in
> > > these first=20 days...
> > >
> > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> = >=20 >
> >
> >
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Mk1 137 Khz secret weapon home built that has crossed the Atlantic = and=20 beyond many times over the years on 137 using both CW and = QRS3.
PA consists of 4 FETS in class D push pull driven from a 13.7 Mhz = vfo=20 source and a divider/driver interface to arrive at 137.
 
Mk2 version already in service will appear=20 soon
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Content preview: FL test From: "Stefan Schäfer" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:20 PM To: Subject: LF: test [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 6aac716dc074d63ee3780b79bbe46b5d Subject: Re: LF: test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466723296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fedcce63912 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none FL test -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:20 PM To: Subject: LF: test > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 10FA5380000CB; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiDOr-0000Pf-9J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:36:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiDOq-0000PW-TZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:36:24 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiDOp-0003Z6-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:36:23 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5MNaMsp003129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:36:22 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5MNaMT7029224 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:36:22 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE5010A.4000900@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:34:34 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, I just found a 630m band Wikipedia site in German, English and French language: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/630-Meter-Band Google says the site i 4 days old :-) Even a band plan is shown which seems to be preliminary... [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e4383209d2ccb9552700d53c0b540538 Subject: LF: 630m band Wikipedia site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:398916992:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fe501b55e27 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, I just found a 630m band Wikipedia site in German, English and French language: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/630-Meter-Band Google says the site i 4 days old :-) Even a band plan is shown which seems to be preliminary... 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB6E438000088; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SasYJ-0000I8-BP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:55:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SasYI-0000Hz-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:55:50 +0100 Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SasYG-0006bx-RQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:55:49 +0100 Received: by bkty5 with SMTP id y5so5985621bkt.16 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:55:47 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MUkxxCS0qFfOun8lxeuisDs0RrA0A1JoIsx1FiD0XrA=; b=jmjAJFyE6uuPqSZW2OpsrO8t4j+4UWMcovwRoxs3IvXRsBrUOhfL7TjSm+HU6fZqhW Yw0RMQyGqFGZ4TBLJAq6ryIOWAQhkbHxKm2Yno0yLpMe8K3lnKfp7xD64gfTVhddUE7E 7jBAExAvwlK7Yo9zHiXJj2Dx+MeIqwk47zyxu6PfkjB425Ao81tYmAE/KHH6EV7rbi6d z89FnUSftv3W0HyMfUq8pYFVwqOcmk/oOo3inYR/OUSSw9i/GbSQSVKIx5Yxdd2VbQ4/ yTSw1UJe0QEWpqS59sI37UiWTDOXtkPN/RIjrZa0j1VkCU6qsk+u8pZmS6Uyxasw9/Xh +ECw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.41.14 with SMTP id m14mr3862157bke.109.1338659746391; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.64.78 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:55:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:55:46 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GjCTbZRh_ORJMj5U7GaoK9LPsjU Message-ID: From: PA7EY To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, According to the screenshot, it should be rts or dtr. Didn't try myself yet. As far as I know 1.4.1 is still the most recent one. Not sure about cpu, but on my several years old P4 2.8 GHz its no problem at all, cpu about 30%. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (ulrich.idzes[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f0d6c1713121c762d112806a4177e662 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=bcaec5555238a8a8e704c18102e3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81211 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481970368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d308.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4fca53da4600 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --bcaec5555238a8a8e704c18102e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, According to the screenshot, it should be rts or dtr. Didn't try myself yet= . As far as I know 1.4.1 is still the most recent one. Not sure about cpu, but on my several years old P4 2.8 GHz its no problem at all, cpu about 30%. 73, Ulrich 2012/6/2 Stefan Sch=E4fer : > PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX lin= e > (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? > > 73, Stefan > > Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >> >> G.., LF, >> >> What is the current up to date opera version? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary QRG. 73 Pete FMT [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.90 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-986706289-1338636091=:1363" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:353897632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d270.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fc9f792295e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-986706289-1338636091=:1363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=0A=0APlease report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. =0AT= emporary QRG.=0A=0A73 Pete FMT=0A=0A=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A= =0A________________________________ ---1613889061-986706289-1338636091=:1363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All

Pleas= e report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. =0ATemporary QRG.
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73 Pete FMT
 
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---1613889061-986706289-1338636091=:1363-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 13E5E380B0AB5; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si8VJ-0007Su-0M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:22:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si8VI-0007Sl-IU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:22:44 +0100 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si8VG-0000gE-U8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:22:43 +0100 Received: by wejx9 with SMTP id x9so2741954wej.16 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:22:41 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vj5bCmkGNae+7iFYjDV4mNeQPCaPXMs6pa7tivKcfto=; b=d7hRXWJAcqRJfJvrGjY/MrlsN7ngNpJNNuMPRM0aJlV5ZGAkPZM6E0GcBzTJq0YCxg thNeKlZWwoI/Dgn+a+2JH4ejId1SxloEeXdyX4Z/FozYZrir6c81C2e6mQeKiJ5SCuVT w5B4t72ZewH7YT9WKfFwuTAoV6H9Uk+mvAU171OV6K0Fi7+ACD99ruKaZhIPfRRpph24 KI1dcmFGe1GVkrfy6jzYJ9kmz9lRO37tt7CQgBHpSMqO2DZV7+EwXH1wnr7kpNwe+gdh TxRlkyEmETINnLKpriJ8UfemkHcKgJla6W6+39YOfOIisUixMDK8lDXi0lKG4AFOnMcj 77cg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.195.170 with SMTP id p42mr1776069wen.104.1340389361426; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:22:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <004c01cd508e$1fe3bfd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <004c01cd508e$1fe3bfd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:22:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, Solid state devices can generate many kilowatts up into the vhf range. Thanks to various surplus channels (MRI machines, analog television transmitters) components and amplifier boards can be had for reasonable money. One could get a significant rf burn from such an amplifier! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c0e6e8bcdc231effb9da2003d606d9a2 Subject: Re: LF: Valves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d64a47bfa07e04c313b73f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fe4b827100e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0016e6d64a47bfa07e04c313b73f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, Solid state devices can generate many kilowatts up into the vhf range. Thanks to various surplus channels (MRI machines, analog television transmitters) components and amplifier boards can be had for reasonable money. One could get a significant rf burn from such an amplifier! 73 Warren K2ORS On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:46 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > ** > Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lovely warm glow from a pair of > 813's, 4-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With 100 watt heaters and K/volts > on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could handle them safely. > Transistors for the Appliance Operator, with no dangerous voltages to > cause premature expiry!! > g3kev > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 --0016e6d64a47bfa07e04c313b73f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,
=A0 =A0 Solid state devices can generate many kilowatts up into th= e vhf range.
Thanks to various surplus channels (MRI machines, an= alog television transmitters)=A0components=A0and amplifier boards can be ha= d for reasonable money.
One could get a significant rf burn from such an amplifier!
=

73 Warren K2ORS


On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:46 AM, mal hamilton <g3k= evmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lov= ely warm glow=20 from a pair of 813's, =A04-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With = 100 watt=20 heaters and K/volts on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could handle= them=20 safely.
Transistors for the Appliance Operator, =A0with n= o=20 dangerous voltages to cause premature expiry!!
g3kev
=A0



--
73 Warren K2= ORS
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2
=A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1

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--0016e6d64a47bfa07e04c313b73f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D7D343800008B; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfWMF-0002HV-KB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:14:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfWME-0002HM-Uo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:14:34 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfWMC-0006EI-Fm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:14:33 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkkFAO80209cF/7E/2dsb2JhbABFgkWiMJBdgQiCEwUBAQQJAQEDICEHAQImBgEBCAIBAxEEAQEKOQEEGAIGDAgCDg8EAQkBAgIBAQECCQSHXAMGCQeYPpd3A4lYizaGEQOID4U0kQWGWYJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,417,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="38596051" Received: from host-92-23-254-196.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.196]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 14:14:30 +0100 Message-ID: <003d01cd4af8$cbb4a1d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:14:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dave Activity has already started on the new 472 band and this could set the trend by the time we get there. I have observed some CW , QRSS and Beacon acty already. Any frequency that takes your fancy. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f8d160685865bb56f1be9345202faba0 Subject: LF: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4AF8.CB802450" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:481133696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fdb356822b9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4AF8.CB802450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave=20 Activity has already started on the new 472 band and this could set the = trend by the time we get there. I have observed some CW , QRSS and = Beacon acty already. Any frequency that takes your fancy. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Sergeant=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ? =20 It seems rather strange that when this allocation is still at least 6=20 months away for most of us (DL excepted) we are already talking about=20 where to fit in a specialised data mode... I expect there will be=20 significant interest in the band, when it arrives, and will attract far=20 greater interest in the general community than has 136. As such any=20 bandplanning should follow the practice on the higher bands - with CW=20 at the bottom, then a small data slot, then SSB (is there enough room=20 for that?...). It may even be sensible to split it 50/50, with cw in=20 the bottom 3.5kHz and all modes (including data) in the top half. Whatever, if Opera (the data mode) is going to be the default mode on=20 this band you are unlikely to see me anywhere near it. And Opera (the=20 browser) released a new version yesterday at exactly the same time as=20 the original message in this thread was posted... 73 Dave G3YMC On 15 Jun 2012 at 13:13, Mike Dennison wrote: > I agree there should be thought given to bandplanning. Where, for=20 > instance, should I set my QRSS receiver? >=20 > However, the band is 7kHz wide and the suggestion to "go 1k up may be = , > 473 dial to give room for cw etc" would in fact give just 2.2kHz of = the > band for what will presumably be the most popular mode. Currently the > two modes of the 500kHz version of Opera occupies from 1.2kHz to = 1.8kHz > above dial frequency. >=20 > I think we need first to look at how much each mode might occupy. A > useful division might be 3.8kHz for CW, 0.2Hz for QRSS (perhaps in two > wide-spaced sub-bands) and 3kHz for all "data" (machine-read modes > including Opera). There is an argument that any mode involving beacons > (including some uses of QRSS and Opera) should be widely separated = from > two-way QSOs. >=20 > Lower bandwidth modes should be nearer the band edge. Perhaps 'DX' = modes > should avoid the active NDB frequencies - say between 476 and 478kHz. >=20 > Currently, it seems that Opera had a dial frequency of 500kHz, and the > 1.2kHz below it has some QRSS activity (eg IQ2MI). That sort of > arrangement may work on 472kHz provided the Opera allocaton does not > eventually migrate as it did on 137kHz. >=20 > Perhaps in the short term there should be allocated (or at least=20 > agreed) frequencies with an understanding by all that there will need = to > be adjustments eventually. >=20 > All food for thought. > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 http://www.davesergeant.com __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 4=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4AF8.CB802450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Activity has already started on the new 472 band = and this=20 could set the trend by the time we get there. I have observed some CW , = QRSS and=20 Beacon acty already.
Any frequency that takes your = fancy.
 
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dave = Sergeant
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz = Band=20 ?

  =

It seems rather strange that when this allocation is still at least 6 =
months away for most of us (DL excepted) we are already talking = about=20
where to fit in a specialised data mode... I expect there will be=20
significant interest in the band, when it arrives, and will attract = far=20
greater interest in the general community than has 136. As such any=20
bandplanning should follow the practice on the higher bands - with = CW
at=20 the bottom, then a small data slot, then SSB (is there enough room =
for=20 that?...). It may even be sensible to split it 50/50, with cw in
the = bottom=20 3.5kHz and all modes (including data) in the top half.

Whatever, = if Opera=20 (the data mode) is going to be the default mode on
this band you are = unlikely to see me anywhere near it. And Opera (the
browser) = released a new=20 version yesterday at exactly the same time as
the original message = in this=20 thread was posted...

73 Dave G3YMC

On 15 Jun 2012 at = 13:13, Mike=20 Dennison wrote:

> I agree there should be thought given to=20 bandplanning. Where, for
> instance, should I set my QRSS=20 receiver?
>
> However, the band is 7kHz wide and the = suggestion to=20 "go 1k up may be ,
> 473 dial to give room for cw etc" would in = fact give=20 just 2.2kHz of the
> band for what will presumably be the most = popular=20 mode. Currently the
> two modes of the 500kHz version of Opera = occupies=20 from 1.2kHz to 1.8kHz
> above dial frequency.
>
> I = think we=20 need first to look at how much each mode might occupy. A
> useful = division=20 might be 3.8kHz for CW, 0.2Hz for QRSS (perhaps in two
> = wide-spaced=20 sub-bands) and 3kHz for all "data" (machine-read modes
> including = Opera).=20 There is an argument that any mode involving beacons
> (including = some=20 uses of QRSS and Opera) should be widely separated from
> two-way=20 QSOs.
>
> Lower bandwidth modes should be nearer the band = edge.=20 Perhaps 'DX' modes
> should avoid the active NDB frequencies - say = between=20 476 and 478kHz.
>
> Currently, it seems that Opera had a = dial=20 frequency of 500kHz, and the
> 1.2kHz below it has some QRSS = activity (eg=20 IQ2MI). That sort of
> arrangement may work on 472kHz provided the = Opera=20 allocaton does not
> eventually migrate as it did on = 137kHz.
>=20
> Perhaps in the short term there should be allocated (or at = least=20
> agreed) frequencies with an understanding by all that there = will need=20 to
> be adjustments eventually.
>
> All food for=20 thought.
> Mike, G3XDV
> = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>

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------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD4AF8.CB802450-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 95AD5380000B6; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scgxv-0003ql-NB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:57:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scgxv-0003qc-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:57:47 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scgxt-0003Qu-37 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:57:46 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews24.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.190]) by cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:57:43 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-cmt107.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.23]) by cpsps-ews24.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:57:44 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-cmt107.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:57:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:57:43 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2012 17:57:44.0048 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A06AF00:01CD44D7] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, I have experience as a "former" user of 500kHz. Under certain conditions there are "ducts" which enables you with low power to cover large distances. One of my favourites was EU to Brazil. Mostly in the last watch Northsea traffic was loud and clear audible off coast Rio. This condition could last for hours. You could contact the EU coaststation rather easy on their working channels with 250W shipstx. However high QRN in Brazil is rather problematic but sometimes the condx coincided with low QRN. Offshore, QRN can be considerable less. I experienced these "tunnels" also between LA & Hawaii and LA & New Zealand. Leaving Red Sea Indian Ocean to Perth radio was also a nice link. (7000km!) At that time I consider it as "normal" not realising that nowadays these are remarkable events if you put in hamradio perspective. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.4 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 9d01e9df836df8dd3868645661e1c1f7 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:416324928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574fd0ebe64d25 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, I have experience as a "former" user of 500kHz. Under certain conditions there are "ducts" which enables you with low power to cover large distances. One of my favourites was EU to Brazil. Mostly in the last watch Northsea traffic was loud and clear audible off coast Rio. This condition could last for hours. You could contact the EU coaststation rather easy on their working channels with 250W shipstx. However high QRN in Brazil is rather problematic but sometimes the condx coincided with low QRN. Offshore, QRN can be considerable less. I experienced these "tunnels" also between LA & Hawaii and LA & New Zealand. Leaving Red Sea Indian Ocean to Perth radio was also a nice link. (7000km!) At that time I consider it as "normal" not realising that nowadays these are remarkable events if you put in hamradio perspective. BTW understand that Monaco seems to be 1st official country on 472kHz as from 18/5-2012. http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=993:claude-passet&catid=53:spectrum Hopefully all EU countries implement this new QRG at the same time, otherwise you must keep a database in order to know were to listen for which country. Somewhere from 439-510kHz. EU and making decisions together worries me. Jan/pa3abk On 7-6-2012 12:45, Stefan Schfer wrote: > Hi Joe, LF, > > Yes, we're here of course :-) > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy > narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when > the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended > frequency range then or will you have to QSY? > And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? > Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? > It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however > with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: >> >> Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... >> >> The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and >> a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. >> >> 73 >> Joe VO1NA >> >> This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at >> http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php >> > > -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0E59B380000B2; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkH9D-0006uw-Tw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:00:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkH9D-0006uY-9G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:00:47 +0100 Received: from nm23-vm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.109.235]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkH9B-0003dG-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:00:46 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm23.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 16:00:44 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.244] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 16:00:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 16:00:44 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.com Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 32968.73374.bm@omp1009.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 27340 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2012 16:00:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1340899243; bh=MfJat80jGGT8TFb0FEwRLWgS/jxMWZY/re0R/2zNcQM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mlcjz/iSlA8GMn37UFAV2SdzRcAlyj9MtwgU7dPEP4pEHXDg9+cQbMp9po0n6BAwzF4Gp30pq7oqYcYW4O3+nAQTsmtquASuqLdikxXM2zE/zntRYf4njkDfycHRxzHNJkdzhb9GnVzvH50ag65irFAFUlybXeLWfx3EEkDmPxY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SVQ+UhNGhZ+/Vnygm+bJAgXDtAoOy2ShzHYRIPtsVf0r60uB6ibjnxJfPcMV7O2LPJX9cBsjbTeogNSrrsbnwJ65vum3qXzA4jf8KYjWNcic/7eoym6U5m+CIPWmWg9DBN2pvFN8v/SRUG+n4s49tITuMNk3xuD3dRGGNqJMDwQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 32dnt18VM1kjx9Y8E5_JpEdRkIDEKiKYVvVQLfmfZxzYt6b pklsfmPg_m0gEQWnoFFMZDVgBuXSL0qIBs6h7FwYxGpkYW9UHodrntyyt2uL 0oOiYgW9rzG6hE6VTFiQEQTT._78_lkF21cfVaoYrPmi7wMTEzCvx8EWqWgD 1wrQJYGOiCKmzNJH0aDsaqzUCnl5qs.zOLV.9CqFI2lDoO7iHVhckLC7ZA5M 4CIY5D7T_gI_3Jx_F7wViotd6hr1b3rRnrqkpfTogr6hxafySvF.uP9DyG67 cNWWH8hEF3myPubl.2XcBK2b6VsiLgsvqJo8q8Ybf5T9q46tjIst1C18e3q5 TNxHRo0JWTvYvtoZi8d_EkEMN2L.4PBAtcwTHvuydKiwX3k0U5gjGN_KoGs8 BNImwIsUCKqqMBCl7jf0kSJtoIB70TDIiJEKaE7MP3aMS5L8cf01dsZA4pne .5aV3v3zT6vl.bfKWyPaCH9.IJV4H5UBulNvf5cbvKXkr_r2JOn7Y Received: from [151.99.187.181] by web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:00:43 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1474092.1340466836144.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1340474829.4474.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340892687.85075.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340892873.80692.YahooMailNeo@web29505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4FEC7008.9010001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FEC76C8.9040700@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: <1340899243.16908.YahooMailNeo@web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:00:43 +0100 (BST) From: Daniele Tincani To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FEC76C8.9040700@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, your hand-sketched schematics (and also the way you built the antenna, etc.) look just like my idea of the final result I would like to obtain. BTW I still have some BF862s from my experiments with your VLF E-probe :-) I think I would try to replicate your example. 73 Daniele IZ5WWB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.235 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 60b21f5b7eb190e65b65540006a87038 Subject: Re: LF: Coupling a LF resonant ferrite rx antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="671563967-845364515-1340899243=:16908" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:422868032:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m419.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41094fec7fea7e72 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --671563967-845364515-1340899243=:16908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan, your hand-sketched schematics (and also the way you=A0built= =A0the antenna,=A0etc.)=A0look just like my idea of the final result I woul= d like to obtain. BTW I still have some BF862s from my experiments with you= r VLF E-probe :-) I think I would try to replicate your example.=0A73=0ADan= iele IZ5WWB=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A Da: Stefan Sch=E4f= er =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g =0AInviato: Gioved=EC 28 Giugno 2012 17:22=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Coupling a = LF resonant ferrite rx antenna=0A =0A=0A =0APS: For a 50 Ohm output, just = 2 or 3 turns on the out-coupling winding=0Awas the best choice for my ferri= te antenna.=0A=0AAm 28.06.2012 16:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: =0A Hi Dani= ele.=0A>=0A>If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer wor= ks well. =0A>=0A>Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, in= ductively=0Acoupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goe= s=0Adirectly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an=0Aoscillosc= ope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns=0Ato get a max= imum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly=0Adepends on the = position of this secondary winding on the coil. The=0Aimpedance becomes low= er when you come closer to the center of the rod. =0A>=0A>The will affect t= he Q of the resonated system. So you may build an=0Aarrangement which allow= s you to move and fix the secondary coil on the=0Arod. If the signal is str= ong enough, maybe from a nearby BCD station,=0Ayou can reduce the "gain" a = bit. I have done it similarly with my=0Aactive ferrite antenna, see https:/= /dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG=0A>=0A>= 73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A>=0A>=0A>Am 28.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Daniele Tincani: = =0A>Hello LF, =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferr= ite coil (abot=0A80=0Aturns of Litz wire over a bundle of=A0seven 20cmx1cm = rods). Nulling and=0Apeaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current = var cap, tuning=0Arange is about 160-650 kHz and could=A0easily be moved to= lower=0Afrequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have= only=0Amade some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the=0Ai= nternal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the antenna s= uitable also for=0Adirect connection with a 50 ohm input. What do you sugge= st: to add for=0Aexample a transformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))?= If a=0Atransformer is recommended, is it advisable to use the main coil as= the=0Aprimary winding? =0A>>=0A>>73 =0A>>Daniele IZ5WWB =0A>> --671563967-845364515-1340899243=:16908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Stefan, your hand-sketched schematics (and also the way you bu= ilt the antenna, etc.) look just like my idea of the final r= esult I would like to obtain. BTW I still have some BF862s from my experime= nts with your VLF E-probe :-) I think I would try to replicate your example= .
73
Daniele IZ5WWB

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Inviato: Gioved=EC 28 Giugno 2012 17:22
Oggetto: Re: LF: Coupling a LF reso= nant ferrite rx antenna

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=0APS: For a 50 Ohm output, just 2 or 3 turns on the out-coupling w= inding=0Awas the best choice for my ferrite antenna.
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=0AAm 28.06.= 2012 16:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer:=0A
=0A=0A = =0A =0AHi Daniele.
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=0AIf your RX is successful = enough, maybe a simple transformer works well.=0A
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=0AApply a = test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively=0Acoupling to t= he ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes=0Adirectly to the coax = of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an=0Aoscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input d= irectly. Adjust the number of turns=0Ato get a maximum signal voltage on th= e scope. The match also strongly=0Adepends on the position of this secondar= y winding on the coil. The=0Aimpedance becomes lower when you come closer t= o the center of the rod.
=0A
=0AThe will affect the Q of the reson= ated system. So you may build an=0Aarrangement which allows you to move and= fix the secondary coil on the=0Arod. If the signal is strong enough, maybe= from a nearby BCD station,=0Ayou can reduce the "gain" a bit. I have done = it similarly with my=0Aactive ferrite antenna, see=0A htt= ps://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG=
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=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC
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it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (ab= ot=0A80=0Aturns of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nu= lling and=0Apeaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, = tuning=0Arange is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower= =0Afrequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have only= =0Amade some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the=0Aintern= al ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for=0Adirect connectio= n with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for=0Aexample a transfor= mer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a=0Atransformer is recommended,= is it advisable to use the main coil as the=0Aprimary winding?
=0A =
 
=0A
73
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Daniele IZ5WWB
=0A =
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: You are forgetting about the USER. It depends where they are flying at the time, they might well be closer to an amateur transmission than the NDB and the amateur could be blocking the frequency. They are not just local approach nav aids. They are often picked up a few hundred miles away and used for cross checking and used more often than you think. g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 95c202c4948d9b6d0896e68e12fe8e98 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD4B08.BBC824D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:472259104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fdb50487090 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD4B08.BBC824D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are forgetting about the USER. It depends where they are flying at = the time, they might well be closer to an amateur transmission than the = NDB and the amateur could be blocking the frequency. They are not just local approach nav aids. They are often picked up a = few hundred miles away and used for cross checking and used more often = than you think.=20 g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:46 PM Subject: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 I agree with Mike: it's going to be a local problem.=20 Typical NDB service ranges are 50-100km and they run similar power = (50-500W) than we do.=20 It is very unlikely that we will ever cause any harm to an NDB that's = 500km and more away. So nothing to worry about in the UK, Belgium, Netherlands, = Westen-Germany, ... More east it may be wise to stay away from NDB's that are close. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Van: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] = namens graham787 [g0nbd@hotmail.com] Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 16:38 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 This is going to be a nightmare, more like a downhill slalom course = than a band allocation=20 Has anyone a graphic of the band and beacon allocations what shows = where the gaps are ? G.. --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison" = wrote: > > Guard bands for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as the = MCW=20 > receivers would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any=20 > interference from amateurs is likely to be extremely local. Our = small=20 > signal working is likely to suffer more QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs than = to=20 > them. >=20 > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > > Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz. > > Twelve of those have been logged from the UK. > > The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide detailed > > information on frequencies which should be avoided. It should be = borne > > in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of approx 400Hz and > > 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of specific slots to = be > > wary of. > >=20 > > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ > >=20 > > Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some form = of > > guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with NDBs? > >=20 > > 73s Tracey G5VU > __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (12)=20 Recent Activity: a.. 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You are forgetting about the USER. It depends = where they=20 are flying at the time, they might well be closer to an amateur = transmission=20 than the NDB and the amateur could be blocking the = frequency.
They are not just local approach nav aids. They = are=20 often picked up a few hundred miles away and used for = cross=20 checking and used more often than you think. 
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 = 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] = Re: Band=20 Planning for 472 Khz Band ?

  =

I agree with Mike: it's=  going=20 to be a local problem.

Typical NDB = service=20 ranges are 50-100km and they = run similar=20 power (50-500W) than we do.

It is very unlikely tha= t=20 we will = ever cause any harm=20 to an NDB that's 500km = and=20 more away.

So nothing=20 to worry about in the UK, Belgium, = Netherlands, Westen-Germany, ...

More east it may be<= /A> wise=20 = to stay away from NDB's&n= bsp;that=20 are close.

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - = OR7T

 

Van: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] namens graham787=20 [g0nbd@hotmail.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012=20 16:38
Aan: = rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Onderwerp:=20 [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band = ?

 =20

This is going to be a nightmare, more like a downhill slalom course = than a=20 band allocation

Has anyone a graphic of the band and beacon=20 allocations what shows where the gaps are ?

G..

--- In = rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison"=20 <mike.dennison@...> wrote:
>
> Guard bands for all = 27 listed=20 NDBs would present a problem as the MCW
> receivers would be at = least=20 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any
> interference from amateurs is = likely to=20 be extremely local. Our small
> signal working is likely to = suffer more=20 QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs than to
> them.
>
> Mike,=20 G3XDV
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> > = Twenty-seven NDBs have been=20 logged in Europe between 472-479kHz.
> > Twelve of those have = been=20 logged from the UK.
> > The NDB database on the Classaxe web = site=20 would provide detailed
> > information on frequencies which = should be=20 avoided. It should be borne
> > in mind that the NDBs use A2 = mode=20 with a mix of approx 400Hz and
> > 1020Hz modulation, so = there are a=20 good number of specific slots to be
> > wary of.
> > =
> > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/
> > =
>=20 > Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some = form=20 of
> > guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems = with=20 NDBs?
> >
> > 73s Tracey = G5VU
>

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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD4B08.BBC824D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5041538000095; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 03:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgAHM-0004uj-Li for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:52:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgAHM-0004ua-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:52:12 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgAHI-0005ll-M0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:52:10 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoOAI+L3U9cF/9d/2dsb2JhbABFigaqHQEBAoEsgQiCEwUBAQQBCAEBAxoLASMCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQEJJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd1CbdcizhLGoEdgR6DGwOID4U0l16CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,425,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="38794921" Received: from host-92-23-255-93.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.255.93]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jun 2012 08:52:07 +0100 Message-ID: <001501cd4c5e$14aea8c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000a01cd4c0e$aa4abbd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FDD10BF.3050208@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:52:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jan But a good operator will TUNE the band for replies to a CQ and not just listen on one frequency especially QSX procedure. When I CQ on 500 I also QSX 472 - 479 ie Search the band for any replies. also when I QSX 7033 I always search around the frequency. To me this is normal procedure 73 and tnx for advising DK7FC to look around for me !! He never would have found me otherwise !! You are a good signal on 500 anytime of day/night and hear me all the time so the DL stns should hear me daytime as well for a qso. [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 9ca91679b330d65f05d707c2d2b164fe Subject: Re: LF: 477 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:490938848:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814fdd8d0347fb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jan But a good operator will TUNE the band for replies to a CQ and not just listen on one frequency especially QSX procedure. When I CQ on 500 I also QSX 472 - 479 ie Search the band for any replies. also when I QSX 7033 I always search around the frequency. To me this is normal procedure 73 and tnx for advising DK7FC to look around for me !! He never would have found me otherwise !! You are a good signal on 500 anytime of day/night and hear me all the time so the DL stns should hear me daytime as well for a qso. Will be chasing EU dx today Sunday and searching 472 - 479 for replies also EU stns pse search 501 - 504 for G23KEV De Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pa3abk" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: 477 > Mal, > > Consider this as how things are within the EU. > Stefan is initially listening on 477,5 he has his computer (WebSDR) on > 502, you were calling 501,7 (I guess) > How many more variables you want to get things wrong. > I took the liberty to "sneaky" advise him to have a look at your desires :-) > He instantly responded. > > We have the luxery of two MF bands. > Don't think our "Behrde" will act rapidly until 31/12 when the present > license expires. > It's a matter of costs. > Meanwhile I see a lot of DL stations becoming QRV with nice sigs. > What more do we want? > > Your QSO with Stefan, his sigs peaked around S-8 here, looks vy > promissing with only 50W under his key. > As he explained, he is quite "new" and his RX bandpass is not tuned to > the highband MF. > Nevertheless his efforts and enthousiasm should not be curbed. > > Jan/pa3abk > > On 17-6-2012 0:23, mal hamilton wrote: > > DK7FC calling CQ but no reply to my call on 502 SAME OLD PROBLEM HE > > HAS NO EARS on this band either !!!!!!!!!!! > > de g3kev > > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7DC423800008F; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdm59-00049A-Po for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:37:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdm59-000491-4B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:37:43 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sdm56-0000x1-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:37:42 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFACba1E9cHnw2/2dsb2JhbABEgkWyFIEIghMFAQEFCAEBAyApAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQoeBxQBBBoGDQkIBhMKAQICAQGHfrcfiyeFaQOIDYUxl1uCYIFf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,385,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="389019782" Received: from host-92-30-124-54.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.124.54]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Jun 2012 18:37:39 +0100 Message-ID: <003101cd472f$b96d1060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <000001cd461f$4d2fef50$e78fcdf0$@com> <005e01cd4621$e0d34660$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <01bc01cd4623$557e9090$007bb1b0$@com> <4FD4D08A.6070408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:37:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Terry Where does the audio amp business come from. DK7FC is always on BEACON mode, no chance of a QSO there. QSO only via Telephone or email. He cannot hear me although my signal is audible/visible in the USA to the west and Russia to the East. g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 1071da3933cc71afd2b8c5f341fb2b80 Subject: LF: Re: GW0EZY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD472F.B93648F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498051072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fd4dbab569f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD472F.B93648F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Terry Where does the audio amp business come from. DK7FC is always on BEACON = mode, no chance of a QSO there. QSO only via Telephone or email. He cannot hear me although my signal is audible/visible in the USA to = the west and Russia to the East. g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: LF: GW0EZY Terry,=20 What kind ogf antenna will you use and what is the L of your coil? = Will you start using QRO or will you use the audio amp in the first = attempt? The latest LF activities are very encouraging and i think we = could go to a positive circle to increase activity on that band. = Furthermore you may be in a very good position to try to leave a signal = in Venezuela. The last days there was no chance for me to leave a trace there but = now Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and bought some parts for a loop = antenna, so we will go on there very soon! When will you come on air? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 09.06.2012 11:36, schrieb Terry GW0EZY:=20 I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very = rusty!! I see you QSX 7033 for 502 - do you do the same for 136?? 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 10:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now Thanks Terry. Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in = CW where information can be exchanged in a few minutes. Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on = LF. There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly = strong and both ends have suitable antennas.=20 73 es GL de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry GW0EZY=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV = !! Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40 To: rsgb Cc: rsgb Subject: LF: 136.5 now LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD472F.B93648F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Terry
Where does the audio amp business come from. DK7FC is always on BEACON mode, no chance = of a QSO=20 there. QSO only via Telephone or email.
He cannot hear me although my signal is = audible/visible in=20 the USA to the west and Russia to the East.
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 4:51 PM
Subject: LF: GW0EZY

Terry,

What kind ogf antenna will you use and = what is=20 the L of your coil? Will you start using QRO or will you use the audio = amp in=20 the first attempt? The latest LF activities are very encouraging and i = think=20 we could go to a positive circle to increase activity on that band.=20 Furthermore you may be in a very good position to try to leave a = signal in=20 Venezuela.
The last days there was no chance for me to leave a = trace there=20 but now Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and bought some parts for a = loop=20 antenna, so we will go on there very soon!
When will you come on=20 air?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 09.06.2012 11:36, schrieb Terry = GW0EZY:=20

I=20 am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very=20 rusty!!

I=20 see you QSX 7033 for 502 =96 do you do the same for=20 136??

73=20 Terry

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012=20 10:26
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Subject:=20 LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now

Thanks=20 Terry.

Join in.=20 I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW where=20 information can be exchanged in a few = minutes.

Around EU=20 CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. There = is no=20 need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong and both = ends=20 have suitable antennas.

73 es GL=20 de mal/g3kev

----- = Original=20 Message -----

From: Terry GW0EZY =

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20

Sent: = Saturday, June=20 09, 2012 9:07 AM

Subject: LF: = RE: 136.5=20 now

Nice=20 to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV=20 !!

Mal=20 your RST 589 Mike your RST 579.

73=20 Terry

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012=20 09:40
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb
Subject: LF: = 136.5=20 now

LF

Now CQ=20 on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call

de=20 g3kev

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD472F.B93648F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B19A4380000A3; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShkUV-0000Vb-6B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:44:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShkUU-0000VS-IP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:44:18 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShkUR-0000nz-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:44:17 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAHVI409cF/EU/2dsb2JhbAArGoJFgxOaLwOVSIEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMWJg0CJgYBAQMFAgEBAhEEAQEKIQICFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBCgSHXgMGCQcppneTAIpLY4ULgRIDjUiSZAOEfIJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,452,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395634810" Received: from host-92-23-241-20.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.241.20]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2012 17:44:12 +0100 Message-ID: <00c801cd4fcd$164011c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:44:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete I have a DVB-T cardbus and I expect this would also work maybe better than the usb stick. Do not know what the chipset is de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 49da477724dcbe37f1e9a7ff55a3b02e Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C5_01CD4FCD.16094A50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437352544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4fe34fab1439 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01CD4FCD.16094A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete I have a DVB-T cardbus and I expect this would also work maybe better = than the usb stick. Do not know what the chipset is de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app and = ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 = (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from = UK source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter = 60meg O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator = 5v into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no = sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the = USB supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 = http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR = software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the = programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting = software for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to = get started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link to = sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time = to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01CD4FCD.16094A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Pete
I have a DVB-T cardbus and I expect this would = also work=20 maybe better than the usb stick. Do not know what the chipset = is
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 = 6:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

Hi=20 all
Save=20 those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they will = be around. Try=20 HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  BorIP=20 app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultra-cheap=20 Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB = stick.
These=20 DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK = source and cover about=20 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the cheap way = or=20 expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or similar = block=20 mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF = coverage=20 for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.=20
Oh=20 and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with=20 record facility and all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80=99s = not enough all=20 your local FM BC as well.  Not a=20 lot of people know that!
URLs=20 apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
https://= www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6dd= o/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You=20 won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. = :0)
Yy=20 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, = 20 June=20 2012, 18:40
Subject: Re: LF:=20 SDR programs

Hi Piotr,

Thanks for the = overview of=20 programs. That's what i searched for.
But maybe i have expressed = wrongly=20 what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not = only for=20 IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ = and=20 mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus = :-) )=20 answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i=20 think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi Stefan, = LF
>=20
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The primary = supporting=20 software for all their sdr  hardware is Spectravue.
> you = can=20 download this program from the rfspace site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult=20 to get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it = you will=20 like it:)
>
> on a "support" page of = www.rfspace.com  you=20 will also find a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
>
>  = they have a=20 very powerful radio console which looks like a regular transceiver = front=20 side
>  It has many many different options - of course, it = does=20 take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather = easy..
>=20
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and=20 easy to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr = software=20 supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of = sdr=20 programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                  =  =20                     =  =20                     =  =20         yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: = Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
>
>=20



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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, I can offer a sked, but what sort of transmission do you want? Your CW sigs are very good again today with less static - see the picture on my new activity blog: http://g3xdv.blog.com The picture shows DCF39 only a little stronger than you - this is rubbish of course, as that station was leaking round my CW filter. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.49 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: c1f72e5acb1277e013f90c915ad7ad68 Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:320977184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fd1fd9d37a7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, I can offer a sked, but what sort of transmission do you want? Your CW sigs are very good again today with less static - see the picture on my new activity blog: http://g3xdv.blog.com The picture shows DCF39 only a little stronger than you - this is rubbish of course, as that station was leaking round my CW filter. 73 de Mike ======== > Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and > experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and > shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ > (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49FV26GJ). If someone of the > others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some > images to > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html > Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I > will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0991F380000B9; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkKM7-00087Z-Hp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:26:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkKM7-00087Q-0u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:26:19 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkKM5-0005Ll-1o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:26:17 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.30.111]) by mwinf5d68 with ME id TvSG1j00G2PqlUa03vSGHW; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:26:16 +0200 Message-ID: <125127A1ED664E6CA87802D385795C66@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <05d3d5e3bc614c2a8de1c7665bc3e36a@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:26:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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From: Walter Staubach Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:14 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 91e1efbff209cbddb14bc9e018c2cfe8 Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01CD556C.44A89420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493197152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fecb00d70e3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CD556C.44A89420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Make a nice Opera TX , all we need to do now is to get J to = put the QSO mode back ... =20 From: Walter Staubach=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:14 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Sri, Uwe, for wrong reading. But QRP has a chance too :-) 73 Walter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Walter, 1W output means abt 0.006W ERP. what a difference to your 1W ERP! GL Uwe/dj8wx -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 19:10 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Uwe, DJ2LF and DK6NI do not use more than 1W ERP. Maybe your QTH has = lower noise than ours here near Erlangen. We will meet - i am sure. But sri. 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in jo43sv. the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz. the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn. so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient. GL Uwe/dj89wx -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 06:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into = a schematic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CD556C.44A89420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Make a  nice  Opera  TX , all  we  = need =20 to  do now is to  get  J to  put the  QSO  = mode  back ... 

Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12=20 VDC

Sri, Uwe, for wrong reading. But QRP = has a chance=20 too :-)
73
Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de =
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 = 7:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 = kHz PA=20 running at 12 VDC

Hi=20 Walter,
1W output means abt 0.006W ERP.
what a difference to = your 1W=20 ERP!
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Gesendet:=20 28.06.2012 19:10
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Betreff:=20 Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Uwe, DJ2LF = and DK6NI do=20 not use more than 1W ERP. Maybe your QTH has lower noise than ours = here near=20 Erlangen.
We will meet = - i am=20 sure. But sri.
73   Walter=20 DJ2LF
 
----- Original Message -----
From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de =
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, = June 28, 2012=20 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: = RE: 472 kHz=20 PA running at 12 VDC

Hi all,

last = two nights=20 on the air:
oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in = jo43sv.

the=20 rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz.

the = above=20 stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn.

so the ears here are OK = but the=20 output pwr of 1W seems = insufficient.

GL
Uwe/dj89wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Gesendet:=20 28.06.2012 06:35
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Betreff:=20 LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone=20 is interested i may convert the=20 = circuit from my mind into= a=20 schematic as a png file.

 

Always interested=20 ;-)

 

73,=20 Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T

------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CD556C.44A89420-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BB714380000B6; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbv75-0006Ao-JA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:52:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbv75-0006Af-34 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:52:03 +0100 Received: from mail-yw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.213.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbv73-0002l3-6X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:52:01 +0100 Received: by yhkk6 with SMTP id k6so7512348yhk.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:51:59 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=V1bo/K2+6sWPT89PgCOy0rndTL6ppeVNWGFfROuIWfk=; b=SKy6fnWlbL2NE0GOy3nqgrHjhLmN4PNlfKuYFw0uwRWXngSdcUK5vt5R5rz0S7VLly /+R9Xv2UpgknOEX+F+/iYfPV7tnzvjoEA7gEhx9c43GReG9vh6RyzkNegGOpyQLLdD1a 37Groqge+byvjkDUHItBEFYChfkRvGxYTMHzqXGwlCy7YJ1oZxJANeEzh0FXngdsas59 fAvOd+rTiJmkoRmLpj30RvP/a9yqr09O1K5+Lj0qbKkiaGC7wFCv29NkzxFWt+8twRKc 1lw1sAdOB7fJzOZHCd82bfVxkznutCEF3NNoHJaD6MhyI0WSOTygXC88TAYAINgL4v+q mtQw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.14.41 with SMTP id m9mr16532188oec.57.1338907897569; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 07:51:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00df01cd4329$0e776c00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <008101cd4316$964358f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00df01cd4329$0e776c00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:51:37 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Just cleared it Mal and also set it up as unmoderated. Best to e-mail me directly if you need some help (g3wkl@btinternet.com) - I've had to come in from the veg patch as the rain has reached us. 73 John, G3WKL [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.213.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 4e28719a46cd3d69582e1b8d1c614db3 Subject: Re: LF: vote Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1fac09f20b104c1bac955 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486866784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-a405.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ca4fce1d4b7e8c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8fb1fac09f20b104c1bac955 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just cleared it Mal and also set it up as unmoderated. Best to e-mail me directly if you need some help (g3wkl@btinternet.com) - I've had to come in from the veg patch as the rain has reached us. 73 John, G3WKL On 5 June 2012 15:39, mal hamilton wrote: > ** > John > Just signed in again and it says membership pending !! > de mal/g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John Gould > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:14 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: vote > > Mal, > > I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list. I've > also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means that you do > hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership of the > RSGB_LF_Group list (yet). > > 73 John, G3WKL > > On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton wrote: > >> ** >> John >> I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open to me in spite of being >> able to log in >> I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors going and this will satisfy >> all concerned. >> My main objection was the way the transition suddenly took place without >> proper consultation. >> I would suggest everyone votes openly on both reflectors, to avoid lock >> outs like we are hearing about from several others. >> >> de mal/g3kev >> >> > > --e89a8fb1fac09f20b104c1bac955 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just cleared it Mal and also set it up as unmoderated. =A0Best to e-mail me= directly if you need some help (g3= wkl@btinternet.com) - I've had to come in from the veg patch as the= rain has reached us.

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 J= une 2012 15:39, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wro= te:
John
Just signed in again and it says membership pendi= ng=20 !!
de mal/g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:14= =20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: vote

Mal,

I've just sent you a reply to the same message on the other list= .=20 =A0I've also responded about your yahoo e-mail account, which means t= hat=20 you do hold a Yahoo ID, it's just not associated with your membership= of the=20 RSGB_LF_Group list (yet).

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 June 2012 13:27, mal hamilton <g3k= evmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not o= pen to me=20 in spite of being able to log in
I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors= going=20 and this will satisfy all concerned.
My main objection was the way the transition= =20 suddenly=A0took place without proper consultation.
I would suggest everyone votes openly on both= =20 reflectors, to avoid lock outs like we are hearing about from several= =20 others.
=A0
de mal/g3kev
=A0

=

--e89a8fb1fac09f20b104c1bac955-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 40621380000AA; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sinlo-0006EV-Ea for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:26:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sinln-0006EM-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:26:31 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sinlm-00026k-9Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:26:30 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroGACQj509cHYH5/2dsb2JhbABEg0GcaAOVSoEIgg8EFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEGAR05AQQaBggcHQECAgEBh36XX6AdkTUDiBWFNpdkgl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,467,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="385721501" Received: from host-92-29-129-249.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.249]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2012 15:26:29 +0100 Message-ID: <003f01cd5215$5690bf50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:26:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few are listening or transmitting even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have advantages. Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all of Germany would be calling. [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 66d07794ca19cd68f7d6cc289cd4ac18 Subject: LF: QUIET LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD5215.56233070" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445160288:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fe723cc3af2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD5215.56233070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few are = listening or transmitting even the majority of DX grabbers are switched = off Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have = advantages. Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all of = Germany would be calling. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD5215.56233070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
At this time of year there is propagation on = both LF es MF=20 but few are listening or transmitting even the majority of DX grabbers = are=20 switched off
Lack of activity is the problem although the = winter does=20 have advantages.
Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - = 479. I=20 thought all of Germany would be calling.
 
de mal/g3kev
 
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Hi All
=
 
Opera now 500 RX QRG!
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 ---357169082-992553664-1341006419=:32377-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A5C1538000087; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkuMq-0005bC-Vp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:53:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkuMq-0005b1-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:53:28 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkuMo-00051M-2g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:53:27 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews26.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.192]) by cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:53:25 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.21]) by cpsps-ews26.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:53:24 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:53:24 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEECC94.50708@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:53:24 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FEE172B.1050002@virgilio.it> <4FEE1E65.405@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEE1E65.405@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2012 09:53:24.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[30DD9400:01CD56A6] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 29-6-2012 23:30, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > ..... > > These parts must be 50 years old or so. I find 3.95 Euro extremely cheap > Cheap? 100x for just €6 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=472khz&_sacat=0 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.15 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 1f795a2ee1ecd56682b47ad11969b3d3 Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:442847936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4feeccc51346 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none On 29-6-2012 23:30, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > ..... > > These parts must be 50 years old or so. I find 3.95 Euro extremely cheap > Cheap? 100x for just €6 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=472khz&_sacat=0 I know, I just compare apples with oranges... :-) Jan/pa3abk -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 67034380000BF; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si1cE-0004qX-Js for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:01:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si1cE-0004qO-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:01:26 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si1cC-0003Ab-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:01:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.16]) by mwinf5d26 with ME id RP1N1j00A0LrbAy03P1Nsg; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:01:23 +0200 Message-ID: <0A95C758FACE461EB248D3CE5650202E@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> <6FDC0CECCC3645EB922AF21E66965518@AGB> <90E09B502D3D481992365586D42423DA@AGB> <5D772617FCC94283913EDABE7CB175FE@gnat> <5D44E645126C4841A77C08064C39E92C@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:01:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: oK Alan This would be the lay-out, the lower run would be about 10 ft up from the raised radial , which may increase the ae amps in the vertical section ? when you say , reduce the affective height , ....... top wire is still at 40 ft , far end of the top wire slopes to ground as is , [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 5bc6e377a7e48238fb2d1143b58fab98 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD506E.BDCD37A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81658 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:381841440:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574fe450d01b7d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD506E.BDCD37A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_004C_01CD506E.BDCD37A0" ------=_NextPart_001_004C_01CD506E.BDCD37A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oK Alan This would be the lay-out, the lower run would be about 10 ft = up from the raised radial , which may increase the ae amps in the = vertical section ? when you say , reduce the affective height , ....... top wire is = still at 40 ft , far end of the top wire slopes to ground as = is , =20 This may increase the amps to ground , at the far end of the top = wire , then cause the vertical section feed to increase ? G. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:22 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Grahan .mmmmm 10 feet?? that could reduce your effective height to = 10feet makingi it 6dB (maybe not quite that bad) worse than the 40 foot = pole on its own. The only plus point would be if that "radial" gives you = a substantial reduction in ground loss.....which I doubt is the case.=20 Seriously you do need to measure it to get the best out of a difficult = situation.......no amount of urban myth will give the right answer. = Remember higher "aerial current" is no use if its going straight to = ground (like a shunt cap across the feed point) and not traversing the = radiation resistance. You want as much current as possible to flow = though the radiation resistance (the vertical bit connected to the feed = point) then you want a big cap (=3Dlow impedance) from the top of the = loading coil to earth for the "return current" (low loss resistance) = Not a very technical way of describing it :-)) even capacitance from = the active pole to ground gives some loss....the inductive top load = reduces that by reducing the voltage on that section. Alan ------=_NextPart_001_004C_01CD506E.BDCD37A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
oK Alan
 
This  would be the  lay-out, the  lower  = run =20 would  be  about   10  ft  up  from=20 the   raised  radial , which may  increase  the = ae amps=20 in the  vertical section ?
when you   say  , reduce the  affective  = height ,=20 .......  top  wire  is  still  at   = 40 =20 ft  , far end of the  top  wire  slopes to =20 ground  as is ,  
 
This  may  increase the  amps  to  = ground  ,=20 at the  far end of the  top  wire , then  cause = the =20 vertical   section  feed  to  increase ?
 
 
 
G.
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Grahan .mmmmm 10 feet?? that could = reduce your=20 effective height to 10feet makingi it 6dB (maybe not quite that = bad) worse=20 than the 40 foot pole on its own. The only plus point would be if that = "radial"=20 gives you a substantial reduction in ground loss.....which I doubt is = the case.=20
 
Seriously you do need to measure it to = get the best=20 out of a difficult situation.......no amount of urban myth will give the = right=20 answer. Remember higher "aerial current" is no use if its going straight = to=20 ground (like a shunt cap across the feed point) and not traversing the = radiation=20 resistance. You want as much current as possible to flow though the = radiation resistance (the vertical bit connected to the feed point) then = you=20 want a big cap (=3Dlow impedance) from the top of the loading coil =  to earth=20 for the "return current" (low loss resistance)  Not a very = technical way of=20 describing it :-))  even capacitance from the active pole to ground = gives=20 some loss....the inductive top load reduces that by reducing the voltage = on that=20 section.
 
Alan
 
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0MM2cS-1SeVLs2gIe-0080KG; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:30:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:30:28 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:Yl1qtzU3Ke0tPaC4T69OeTiaBqPkCxn8Jd+fRcAxFFD kRvQfmrLrgpyvUaox6dvyFHlL2Z2Tmli6pSvgR/k7Pff1QMHDn qlFE6Sd8bOw8qlzHxYpYWyxh7n+MAiz/VhpJqsO8+GnvThHfPY sn6ZNl3oS2yST/MWkSNU6gbLUSJ/LwCm6imcXSodIBGrjaiyfK 2ECzbbWckFJAI0FbIZ2x0l+jY5Pc4w9C7dQC3YOO86tDL1hYZ/ 9L1N20StC48Tm99reNPuZTXg30Q4+k18iI1jpqYk4BmgYAFO5R 8iYjcsYHveJLIO6/OGmhYoNL1rHUryZbN2Nl5o9yXMwF+Kbouu hu89QVr75azQ5I3mMaUFHfPCW29+oK/eioRxI7hba X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alberto, You wrote: > ... > Too many times when I was searching for postings that could be useful for me for > one or another reason, I sorely felt the lack of a searchable archive on the old > and outdated reflector. > ... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475920160:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fcb9f611ca0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Alberto, You wrote: > ... > Too many times when I was searching for postings that could be useful for me for > one or another reason, I sorely felt the lack of a searchable archive on the old > and outdated reflector. > ... I'm running Beagle on Gnome for indexing and search for any kind of information stored locally. Postings, images and other "information" which are "Googleable" or "Yapooable" will be more a problem than a feature in the future. There's only one advantage using those modern, advertisement driven open systems. You always have to keep in mind: "don't post when coming from pub." So, please tell me what is "outdated" here? Respice finem. Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B67063800009F; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkIEM-00076W-90 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:10:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkIEL-00076N-HW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:10:09 +0100 Received: from mailout09.t-online.de ([194.25.134.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkIEJ-00049S-Nq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:10:08 +0100 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de (fwd05.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout09.t-online.de with smtp id 1SkIEI-0006bR-57; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:10:06 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (rXAB6eZLYh6lQBhRQkAhrXHXZPO951-+9uOqkJH1YGoagl+4rOofPpYiJ6LGnpcgdY@[84.147.160.185]) by fwd05.t-online.de with esmtp id 1SkIED-2KGLoG0; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:10:01 +0200 Message-ID: <28D37C008B9C45AC982DAAA95BA3E4F4@standard9dmup1> From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <2cf96a2ade514f53b8ce121dbfc0ee98@kabelmail.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:10:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: rXAB6eZLYh6lQBhRQkAhrXHXZPO951-+9uOqkJH1YGoagl+4rOofPpYiJ6LGnpcgdY X-TOI-MSGID: 068adde6-8e53-49c9-9a57-69050043879e X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Uwe, DJ2LF and DK6NI do not use more than 1W ERP. Maybe your QTH has lower noise than ours here near Erlangen. We will meet - i am sure. But sri. 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message ----- From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.84 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: f1284eec928b6c66f973fc41cf683e42 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5561.9D71EC10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487002784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4fec90431c6b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5561.9D71EC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Uwe, DJ2LF and DK6NI do not use more than 1W ERP. Maybe your QTH has = lower noise than ours here near Erlangen. We will meet - i am sure. But sri. 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in jo43sv. the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz. the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn. so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient. GL Uwe/dj89wx -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 06:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a = schematic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5561.9D71EC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Uwe, DJ2LF and DK6NI do not use more = than 1W ERP.=20 Maybe your QTH has lower noise than ours here near = Erlangen.
We will meet - i am sure. But = sri.
73   Walter = DJ2LF
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de =
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 = 4:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA = running=20 at 12 VDC

Hi all,

last two = nights on=20 the air:
oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid. all 599 in = jo43sv.

the rx=20 antenna here is a mag loop 6.25 sq m tuned to 475kHz.

the above = stns=20 called CQ but didnt hear my stn.

so the ears here are OK but = the output=20 pwr of 1W seems insufficient.

GL
Uwe/dj89wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Gesendet:=20 28.06.2012 06:35
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Betreff:=20 LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone=20 is interested i may convert the=20 = circuit from my mind into= a=20 schematic as a png file.

 

Always interested=20 ;-)

 

73,=20 Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5561.9D71EC10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D1A6F380000B8; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjtMZ-000154-3c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:36:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjtMY-00014v-Kr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:36:58 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjtMW-0005BS-W7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:36:57 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews17.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.183]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:36:56 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.24]) by cpsps-ews17.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:36:55 +0200 Received: from acer ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:36:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01cd5472$4cb66840$0402a8c0@acer> From: "henny" To: References: <4FEB1172.4070506@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:36:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2012 14:36:55.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CCEF950:01CD5472] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Tu for the capture Stefan, Henny pa3cpm best 73's ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:58 PM Subject: LF: PA3CPM [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: LF: Re: PA3CPM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497731104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864feb1ac65522 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Tu for the capture Stefan, Henny pa3cpm best 73's ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:58 PM Subject: LF: PA3CPM > LF, > > PA3CPM, massive signal, white on black :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5095 - Release Date: 06/26/12 18:34:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 859BF38000095; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 07:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scaei-00014J-82 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:13:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scaeh-00014A-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:13:31 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scaef-0001C3-Tu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:13:30 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIJADKM0E9cF/pn/2dsb2JhbAArGol9qHEEgSqBCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDJQEjAg8XBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHdQkHKbhRix1Egi+DFQOIDYUwklmFAYJggVYF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,730,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="374644187" Received: from host-92-23-250-103.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.250.103]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 12:13:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:13:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also EI0CF many times during the winter months. I work QSO mode only and no beacons. I have also had some QSO'S with Russian stations, they call me on 7033 and I reply on 502 normally although I have vfo control. I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 but not SLOWER When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will end next January Mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451746400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fd08d123286 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also EI0CF many times during the winter months. I work QSO mode only and no beacons. I have also had some QSO'S with Russian stations, they call me on 7033 and I reply on 502 normally although I have vfo control. I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 but not SLOWER When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will end next January Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:45 AM Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > Hi Joe, LF, > > Yes, we're here of course :-) > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy > narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when > the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended > frequency range then or will you have to QSY? > And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? > Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? > It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however > with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: > > > > Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... > > > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and > > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. > > > > 73 > > Joe VO1NA > > > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at > > http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 812AC38000147; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShoTV-0001nI-CD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:59:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShoTU-0001n6-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:59:32 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShoTS-0003tK-7N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:59:31 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.63]) by mwinf5d55 with ME id R8zT1j00U1MiB3W038zTop; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:59:28 +0200 Message-ID: <90E09B502D3D481992365586D42423DA@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> <6FDC0CECCC3645EB922AF21E66965518@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:59:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120621-0, 21/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: R Alan, Down to one of Mr Hobson's fine designs here , the under slung wire , would be the simplest to arrange , say it ran 10 ft above a 90 ft elevated ground radial , now would that xtra C , increase the amp's in the vertical section , the other side of the top coil ...? 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Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0193_01CD4FF9.20977420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81642 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:404539552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594fe38b91280c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0193_01CD4FF9.20977420 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0194_01CD4FF9.20977420" ------=_NextPart_001_0194_01CD4FF9.20977420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R Alan, Down to one of Mr Hobson's fine designs here , the under = slung wire , would be the simplest to arrange , say it ran 10 = ft above a 90 ft elevated ground radial , now would that xtra = C , increase the amp's in the vertical section , the other side = of the top coil ...? Other wise its ,just possible to run 90 deg about 20 feet , 90 = then down , at the far end =20 I tune using a swr meter , usually get a sharp dip with the = variometer , but I also have a old 1000 pf 4 gang clipped , = low over the auto transformer , that is handy , just takes the = final 'ref down and as its low , there is no flash over , bit = like a band-spread on a rx oscillator coil=20 Testing wise , luckily , I can reach the Delft web-sdr in the day = time , so can do s/n checks at range using ROS-MF-2 , the = s/n is the average along the time line , so quite accurate =20 Still raining =20 73 -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather here either :-(( The problem with unconventional "shapes" is you will have to just try = 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing ground loss as the most = effective use of time and effort. Best done by measurement, and not = urban myths :-)) Thats why I always plug a simple transformer coupled = bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges have never = worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also = like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-)) I feel = closer to the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, = even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I = learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" right. It is the classic = substitution measurement with passive references. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? R Alan. Horizontal spread ......missing at the moment ... will have = another look out side , when the rain stops , horizontal open = box may be possible ..just=20 Tnx -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter too much :-)) The thing is to get as much wire as high as possible. Yes fold it = back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 feet dont add much over a = single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce = the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly = the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) = will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to = increase the radiation resistance. Your diagram is difficult to read but running one of the wires = directly under another will be of no benefit and may be worse than not = having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at least = 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the idea. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: LF: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Any thoughts on the best configuration for the top wire ?? Tnx -G, ------=_NextPart_001_0194_01CD4FF9.20977420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
R Alan,
 
Down to   one of  Mr  Hobson's   = fine =20 designs  here ,   the  under slung   = wire  ,=20 would  be the  simplest to  arrange ,   = say =20 it  ran  10  ft  above  a  90  = ft =20 elevated  ground  radial  , now would =20 that  xtra  C  , increase the  amp's  in = the =20 vertical  section  , the  other  side  of = the =20 top  coil ...?
 
Other  wise  its ,just possible  to  run  = 90=20 deg  about   20 feet  , 90  then  down , = at=20 the  far  end 
 
I tune using  a  swr meter  , usually  get = a =20 sharp  dip  with the  variometer  , but  = I =20 also  have a  old   1000  pf   4 gang = clipped  , low over the  auto  transformer , that  = is handy=20 , just  takes  the  final 'ref   down  = and =20 as its  low , there  is  no  flash  over , = bit =20 like a  band-spread on a  rx oscillator  coil
 
Testing  wise , luckily  , I can  reach the  = Delft=20 web-sdr   in the  day  time  , so  = can =20 do  s/n  checks  at  range using =20 ROS-MF-2    , the  s/n  is the  = average =20 along  the  time  line , so  quite  = accurate =20
 
Still  raining 
 
73 -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:59 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather = here either=20 :-((
The problem with unconventional = "shapes" is you=20 will have to just try 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing = ground=20 loss as the most effective use of time and effort. Best done by = measurement,=20 and not urban myths :-))  Thats why I always plug a simple = transformer=20 coupled bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges = have never=20 worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also = like=20 bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-))  I feel = closer to=20 the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, even if I = dont=20 get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I learnt to sense = when the=20 measurement "feels" right. It is the classic substitution measurement = with=20 passive references.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 6:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top = wire=20 config - Best Option ??

R Alan.
 
Horizontal  spread  ......missing  at the  = moment=20 ...  will  have  another  look  out  = side =20 , when the  rain  stops ,  horizontal   = open =20 box may  be  possible ..just
 
Tnx -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter = too=20 much  :-))
The thing is to get as much wire as = high as=20 possible. Yes fold it back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 = feet dont=20 add much over a single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember = this may=20 reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase = slightly=20 the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage=20 points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to=20 ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) will = probably=20 halve you ground losses. It will do very little to increase the = radiation=20 resistance.
 
Your diagram is difficult to read but = running one=20 of the wires directly under another will be of no benefit and may be = worse=20 than not having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull = it at=20 least 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the=20 idea.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 4:17=20 PM
Subject: LF: InV L Top wire = config -=20 Best Option ??

InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best = Option=20 ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  configuration  = for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
Tnx -G,
 
 
 
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Content preview: and me too, Stefan tks in adv Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 12:49 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Stefan, me too, pse. 73 Walter DJ2LF [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 HTML_NONELEMENT_30_40 BODY: 30% to 40% of HTML elements are non-standard X-Scan-Signature: ab7de7439a3fce0b74220375dc6f18e8 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----D44055B3A3C542ABA4A868A66A5A6AC5" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME, PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fec618511d6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------D44055B3A3C542ABA4A868A66A5A6AC5 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and me too, Stefan tks in adv Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 12:49 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: LF: Re: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Stefan, me too, pse=2E 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 To:=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:33 AM Subject: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > MF, > > For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that op= erates=20 > at 12 V DC=2E Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX ca= n be=20 > used (set to 160m / 1=2E9 MHz) to drive the PA=2E The input power mu= st not=20 > exceed the range of 1=2E=2E=2E4 watts=2E The output power can be swi= tched in 2=20 > steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output impedance= and=20 > input voltage (10=2E=2E=2E15V)=2E The output impedance is not so cri= tical, Z=3DR may=20 > be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity=2E The FETs are IRFZ48N types,= the=20 > driver is a ICL7667CPA=2E The transformer uses RF litz wire, 30x0=2E= 1mm=20 > diameter=2E I didn't spend to much effort for optimising the efficie= ncy, not=20 > at this power level=2E During a CW QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF po= wer the=20 > heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm=2E > The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF po= wer=2E=2E=20 > The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this measur= ement=2E > > If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into= a=20 > schematic as a png file=2E > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > https://dl=2Edropbox=2Ecom/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015= W%2B100W=2EJPG > > ------D44055B3A3C542ABA4A868A66A5A6AC5 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
and me too, Stefan
tks in adv
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 12:49
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: LF: Re: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Stefan,
me too, pse=2E
73
Walter DJ2LF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Schäfer"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:33 AM
Subject: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC


> MF,
>
> For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that = operates
> at 12 V DC=2E Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX = can be
> used (set to 160m / 1=2E9 MHz) to drive the PA=2E The input power = must not
> exceed the range of 1=2E=2E=2E4 watts=2E The output power can be s= witched in 2
> steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output impedan= ce and
> input voltage (10=2E=2E=2E15V)=2E The output impedance is not so c= ritical, Z=3DR may
> be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity=2E The FETs are IRFZ48N type= s, the
> driver is a ICL7667CPA=2E The transformer uses RF litz wire, 30x0=2E= 1mm
> diameter=2E I didn't spend to much effort for optimising the effic= iency, not
> at this power level=2E During a CW QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF = power the
> heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm=2E=
> The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF = power=2E=2E
> The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this meas= urement=2E
>
> If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind in= to a
> schematic as a png file=2E
>
> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
> https://dl=2Edropbox=2Ecom/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%20= 15W%2B100W=2EJPG
>
>


------D44055B3A3C542ABA4A868A66A5A6AC5-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5D0453800009F; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScjPM-0005GA-BS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:34:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScjPL-0005G1-Ta for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:34:15 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScjPJ-0004Gd-GN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:34:14 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57KY9S1024270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:34:09 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57KY94M013236 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:34:09 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD10FE4.7030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:32:36 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000901cd44bf$d7d97f10$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <004901cd44e0$644b4530$1502a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <004901cd44e0$644b4530$1502a8c0@Clemens04> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q57KY9S1024270 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I think it is not necessary to mention many times a day that there is another group existing. We all know! Those who like to join it already did. Those who unsubscribed from here obviously can abdicate from what's going on here. Others may be happy that the storm is over, at least in the moment. Anyway, thanks for the link. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: fb3e28a759dea7e01d34d3fe7de7ae98 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487555264:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fd1107023fa X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I think it is not necessary to mention many times a day that there is=20 another group existing. We all know! Those who like to join it already=20 did. Those who unsubscribed from here obviously can abdicate from what's=20 going on here. Others may be happy that the storm is over, at least in=20 the moment. Anyway, thanks for the link. 73, Stefan Am 07.06.2012 21:03, schrieb Clemens Paul: > For those who do not read the yahoo list: > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36274675/DK7FC_137kHz_07062012.mp3 > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemens Paul" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:11 PM > Subject: LF: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > > >> Stefan, >> >> here S>9 / SNR 20dB in 100Hz BW. >> >> 73 >> Clemens >> DL4RAJ >> >> Loc:S=FCdostbayern,12,90006=B0O/48,4150=B0N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) >> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN68KJ79WJ >> Perseus mit Dipol 2x156m >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 >> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:10 PM >> Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz >> >> >>> LF! >>> >>> I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high=20 >>> with thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe=20 >>> a challenge for your RX is difficult conds. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to go. g3kev Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to go. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: LF: Votes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4730.CBCDB1F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:316281312:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fd4dd6e0f6a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4730.CBCDB1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. 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------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4730.CBCDB1F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 969DA380000B4; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 05:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHol-0005xF-1e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:18:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHok-0005x6-Is for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:18:46 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdHoi-0003KU-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:18:45 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnIJAKgU009cHYYc/2dsb2JhbABFigSpIQSBL4EIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMaCwEjAiYGAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEBCSUUAQQaBhYIBhMJAQECAgEBh3UJB7g3iycUBgEtggaDGwOIDYUxl1uCYIFWCQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="37711832" Received: from host-92-29-134-28.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.134.28]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 10:18:42 +0100 Message-ID: <005201cd4620$dc19f980$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> <4FD1146A.4050602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD30EFF.9070703@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:18:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jan I also spent some time in Singapore and Malaya late 1960's and early 1970's but mostly on the short waves but I did manage on 160 es 80 metres to work plenty of DX. JA qrm was the problem, the bands were full all the time with Japanese activity, they used to get so excited when DX appeared I like to hear the old tales about real radio and real radio operators. 73 de Mal 9V1OY es 9M2CC [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6be9408bcc63ba5aab6f1e66e2d5b7ce Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487384544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61854fd3152e03c5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jan I also spent some time in Singapore and Malaya late 1960's and early 1970's but mostly on the short waves but I did manage on 160 es 80 metres to work plenty of DX. JA qrm was the problem, the bands were full all the time with Japanese activity, they used to get so excited when DX appeared I like to hear the old tales about real radio and real radio operators. 73 de Mal 9V1OY es 9M2CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "pa3abk" To: Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 8:53 AM Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > Stefan, > Yep, been R/O for 15yrs. > > About the PY/EU QSO to make things worse :-) > In the 80's PCH (Scheveningenradio) had limited MF TOR-channels, as an > experiment they opened a duplex 425/512kHz TOR channel. > At that time I was working on a "offshore construction vessel" in Campos > bay. One evening 500kHz was again filled with EU noise. > As an experiment I started up the STB75 (TOR system) had a beautiful > link no phasing errors. Cleared a lot of traffic on that channel. > Mostly these condition repeats itself a couple consecutive days and last > several hours. > TX power about 800W into a DUK, which is a fattened vertical 16m. Sea is > very favourable for MF. > As I explained the QRN in some areas is extremely high. > This is also one of the reasons PY doesn't carry Navtex on MF, but on 4MHz. > > BTW monitoring Navtex is good to see if there is any condition on MF. > I can recommend YAND for this purpose which stores all reception data > has filters and graphics to see how conditions are > And yes it can also receive Navtex messages. > > Singapore, Indonesia is a complete hell of static. > One ever wondered that QSO's could take place before the discovery of > shortwave. > Just an impression how Dutch tried to by-pass the Marconi monopoly, the > 2400kW VLF sparktransmitter which was constructed in the colony Indonesia. > http://www.cdvandt.org/malabar_pictures.htm > After finishing this project , some "hamradio" made a QSO with only a > few Watts on shortwave. > The project was a complete waste of money. > > Jan/pa3abk > > > > > > On 7-6-2012 22:51, Stefan Schfer wrote: > > Hi Jan, > > > > Thanks for the email, most interesting! So i'm really looking forward > > to such special condx! Do i understand you correctly, you have had a > > 2-way QSO on 500 kHz with a PY station? Sounds as magic as 50 MHz or so. > > Ah, when i read to the end to your mail it rather sounds as if you > > have been working as the radio operator on a ship? > > I have an idea: Tell it to me in a loooooooong MF CW QSO, rag chewing > > as some say... :-) > > > > Also thanks for the IARU link. What i find interesting is the comment > > from TF2JB. I wonder if TF3HZ knows him? Maybe a good adress to ask > > for common projects with Iceland below 1 MHz. > > > > 73, Stefan > > > > -- > > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8119338000090; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkNCL-0000AK-5p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:28:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkNCK-0000AB-Js for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:28:24 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkNCI-0006Tl-NQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:28:23 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Jun 2012 22:28:20 -0000 Received: from p54B9D5FB.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Notebook) [84.185.213.251] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 29 Jun 2012 00:28:20 +0200 X-Authenticated: #20371661 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19n9FsIM5dnzE8wqnasY7KhEjtk0PLjCml/rkrUWD 6ryfVbTt9ingLE Message-ID: <3839BF9E6D5544D2B8E5A1355130F1EB@Notebook> From: "Thomas Rosenkranz" To: References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC18F4.9050608@online.fr> <1340875355.96079.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1340876781.29716.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC7DDF.8050906@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340908899.62897.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FECD820.8060105@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FECD820.8060105@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:28:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18645 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: hy Stefan, hast du auf MW lust?? Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: Friday, June 29, 2012 12:18 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (thomas.rosenkranz.1[at]gmx.de) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (thomas.rosenkranz.1[at]gmx.de) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b16f5c37bc0c21b41453c2ac5e65973c Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CD558E.156A7DF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:434969632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494fecdab65c60 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CD558E.156A7DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hy Stefan, hast du auf MW lust?? Thomas ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 12:18 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Pete,=20 Am 28.06.2012 20:41, schrieb M0FMT:=20 But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order = either double wow!=20 You can make the RFC1 from such a core used for T1 too, or maybe = better two of them. The RFC1 value is not critical. Just if you use a = small one it may become hot. Also it should be ferrite of course, not a = iron powder core. These would need much more turns. Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En?=20 Yes of course. The wire pieces are short, so just take a bundle of 8 = or 10 or so instead of the litz i'm using. You will see. Hmm it's plaited ? Oh, plaited, i learned a new word :-) No, just twisted.=20 Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may = not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but = feel the width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more. We pay 0.63 EUR at "Reichelt" (well known in DL :-) ). As mentioned, there are many alternatives to the IRFZ48N. You can use = what you want unless the FET: -is a N-CH MOSFET -Drain-Source voltage 55V to 100V (100V is not ideal, watch out for 55 = or 60 or 75 or what you find) -On resistance below 0.1 Ohm=20 -Input C (C iss) in the range below 3 nF, better below 2 nF. I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK = source) may be they could publish it?=20 And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it = is new and worth while thanks! Yes, but if i don't write this, someone will inform me that someone = has done it before, nearly always :-) As if my intention would be to do = something new (instead of simlply making QSOs or beeing on air :-) ) 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CD558E.156A7DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
hy Stefan,
 
hast du auf MW lust??
 
Thomas
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 = 12:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 = kHz PA=20 running at 12 VDC

Hi Pete,

Am 28.06.2012 20:41, schrieb M0FMT:=20 But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order either = double=20 wow! You can make the RFC1 from = such a core=20 used for T1 too, or maybe better two of them. The RFC1 value is not = critical.=20 Just if you use a small one it may become hot. Also it should be = ferrite of=20 course, not a iron powder core. These would need much more = turns.

Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En?=20
Yes of course. The wire pieces = are short,=20 so just take a bundle of 8 or 10 or so instead of the litz i'm using. = You will=20 see.

Hmm it's plaited=20 ?Oh, plaited, i learned a new word = :-) No,=20 just twisted.=20
 
Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be = ideal but=20 are cheap!! 50P (eer = 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but = feel the=20 width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly=20 more.
We pay 0.63 EUR at = "Reichelt"=20 (well known in DL :-) ).

As mentioned, there are many = alternatives to=20 the IRFZ48N. You can use what you want unless the FET:
-is a N-CH=20 MOSFET
-Drain-Source voltage 55V to 100V (100V is not ideal, watch = out for=20 55 or 60 or 75 or what you find)
-On resistance below 0.1 Ohm =
-Input C=20 (C iss) in the range below 3 nF, better below 2 nF.

 
I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has = a kitting=20 list (UK source) may be they could publish it? 
 
And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" = but in=20 context it is new and worth while=20 thanks!
Yes, but if i don't write = this,=20 someone will inform me that someone has done it before, nearly always = :-) As=20 if my intention would be to do something new (instead of simlply = making QSOs=20 or beeing on air :-) )
73 es GL Pete M0FMT=20 IO91UX

 
73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC
------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CD558E.156A7DF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 465723800009C; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 04:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHDR-0005YW-DJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:40:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdHDR-0005YN-11 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:40:13 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdHDP-000373-7Z; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:40:11 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AisFANkK009cF/Eb/2dsb2JhbABFgm4IApwFA5VYgQiCEwETAQEDSQIhCwIIAgEGAQIbOQEEGgYkHQECAgEBhTgHgiQbuEaREAOIDYUxl1uCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,381,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="374905722" Received: from host-92-23-241-27.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.241.27]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Jun 2012 09:40:08 +0100 Message-ID: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:40:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call de g3kev LF [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: LF: 136.5 now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD461B.7877F080" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:166029408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4fd30c28667c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD461B.7877F080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD461B.7877F080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF
Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse = call
 
de g3kev
 
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Content preview: I had a poor copy on DJ2LF here due to the QRN, had that not been around he would have been quite readable. 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:05 PM Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 24b65a258fa7a3a87cfdaa03bb2f3176 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0759_01CD4C17.0CD7F210" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:439647712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fdd07a345ba X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0759_01CD4C17.0CD7F210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a poor copy on DJ2LF here due to the QRN, had that not been around = he would have been quite readable. 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:05 PM Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many = reports my email. Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station = i ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF, = without any problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where = real time QSOs can take place. And this night is in summer and with high = QRN, so winther must be wonderful. No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-) = 137 kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real = QSO band now! I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the active = ferrite antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN... The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground range = distance is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but nothing at = DJ2LF in 175km distance... Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA here = while sitting in the forest and receiving there :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0759_01CD4C17.0CD7F210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I had a poor copy on DJ2LF here due to the QRN, had that not been = around he=20 would have been quite readable.
 
73s Tracey G5VU
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 11:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 = kHz

Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for = the=20 many reports my email.

Yes, it was a historic moment for me! = The first=20 amateur radio station i ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The = QSO was=20 like on HF, without any problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW = band=20 where real time QSOs can take place. And this night is in summer and = with high=20 QRN, so winther must be wonderful.
No contest stress like on HF and = still a=20 special place below 1 MHz :-) 137 kHz is the real challenge of course = but its=20 very nice to have a real QSO band now!

I will go on to improve = some=20 things here and will see how the active ferrite antenna performs on = MF, maybe=20 cancelling out the QRN...

The QSB was interesting and it = clearly shows=20 up that the ground range distance is much lower. I got audible copy = from the=20 UK but nothing at DJ2LF in 175km distance...
Will continue to = listen and=20 prepare my remote link to key the PA here while sitting in the forest = and=20 receiving there :-)

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC


------=_NextPart_000_0759_01CD4C17.0CD7F210-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7A7C0380000AF; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfzD7-0000T9-SD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:03:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfzD7-0000T0-EY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:03:05 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfzD5-0003c9-Td for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:03:04 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5GK326H016177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:03:02 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GK32Ai030526 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:03:02 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:01:21 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060301020700080604010302" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:411708384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574fdce6b76959 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060301020700080604010302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MF, Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try. Starting now! 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------060301020700080604010302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MF,

Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal.

My TX is ready as well. I will call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for skeds! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try.

Starting now!

73, Stefan/DK7FC
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, Another thing. Right now it is 32 °C here. Best place it to stay on the beach or on the top of a hill in the forest. Today i choose the forest. Accidentally there is my 700m (ish) long earth antenna which has an average height above ground of 8m. Today i want to use it as a dipole for the 630m band. The feed point is somewhere in the middle but not exactly known. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: LF: An asymmetric feeded full wave dipole for the 630m band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:349514656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4feef49c1600 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, Another thing. Right now it is 32 =B0C here. Best place it to stay on the= =20 beach or on the top of a hill in the forest. Today i choose the forest. Accidentally there is my 700m (ish) long earth antenna which has an=20 average height above ground of 8m. Today i want to use it as a dipole=20 for the 630m band. The feed point is somewhere in the middle but not=20 exactly known. What will the efficiency and radiation pattern be? Is it a dipole or=20 what? EZNEC says it will have 10 Ohm Z=3DR at resonance (Cu losses +=20 "typical" ground losses). The WX forcast says there will be much QRN in the evening, anyway. Maybe someone can listen from time to time on 476.5 kHz? I will listen=20 on the band (+ 500 kHz +-) too and maybe a QSO is possible. Who knows... If the antenna behaves as a dipole it should radiate E/W, so good=20 chances for UK, PA and DF6NM, DJ2LF... I'll start now and may be "QRV" in 2 hours or so. Here, the first time my PA will operate in /p. Nice that it is smaller=20 than a VHS video cassette and allows to generate QRP at high efficiency! 73, CU, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 76DBE38000093; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 05:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbqAd-00030F-Da for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:35:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbqAd-000306-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:35:23 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbqAb-0001Ui-At for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:35:21 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIKACfSzU9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFnlwDlCsDgSeBCIIPBBQBAQNJAiELAggCAQYBHTkBBBoGHAgdAQICAQGHfrc2i2qFOQOIDYUwl1SCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="540363301" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 10:35:19 +0100 Message-ID: <003801cd42fe$851dedf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:35:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 500 quiet this morning but I had a 599 each way qso with PA3ABK/JAN Where are the other 162 members subscribed to the LF/MF reflector ?? Now cq on 136.5 but nil so far g3kev 500 quiet this morning but I had a 599 each way qso with PA3ABK/JAN [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: LF: 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD42FE.84BE8FE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:412316480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494fcdd31020eb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD42FE.84BE8FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 500 quiet this morning but I had a 599 each way qso with PA3ABK/JAN Where are the other 162 members subscribed to the LF/MF reflector ?? Now cq on 136.5 but nil so far g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD42FE.84BE8FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
500 quiet this morning but I had a 599 each way = qso with=20 PA3ABK/JAN
Where are the other 162 members subscribed to = the LF/MF=20 reflector ??
Now cq on 136.5 but nil so far
 
g3kev
 
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Content preview: If you mean for 500kHz permits, I believe OFCOM is only renewing existing NOVs. 472-479kHz will not need an NOV once allocated Jan 1st 2013 (maybe sooner?). 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: fb42d311bf65eb51bbb8124890b4f977 Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-496F772C-8DDD-4E0A-8F2B-CDB6CC09AD53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443615680:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d021.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84feaaaec2528 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-496F772C-8DDD-4E0A-8F2B-CDB6CC09AD53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you mean for 500kHz permits, I believe OFCOM is only renewing existing NO= Vs. 472-479kHz will not need an NOV once allocated Jan 1st 2013 (maybe soone= r?). 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 26 Jun 2012, at 22:19, julie wrote: > Hi can any one give me some advice on how to fill out ofcoms nov, i am a b= it stuck. > David G6WGZ >=20 > From: Gary G4WGT > To: LF Group =20 > Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 18:51 > Subject: RE: LF: A/G FREQS >=20 > Hi All, > =20 > Pete M0FMT wrote :- > When I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude m= odulated on the plate in the good old days. > =20 > That was my very first transmitter.....And don't forget...."Tuning high to= low for a reply". > =20 > That takes me back :-) > =20 > 73, > =20 > Gary - G4WGT. >=20 > =20 > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100 > From: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS >=20 > Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.0= 0 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. After all its just t= he product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in a nonlinear device li= ke a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess you would= PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and using co= nsiderably less power over all. Class E an all. > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > From: Graham > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 > Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 17:09 > Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS >=20 > Steady on Mal ! this is getting technical !" > =20 > Your right , FM has a cut off point , where demodulation fails and = also a capture effect , where the stronger of 2 signals will acquire= and hold the demodulator ..always fun on 2 mtrs when a mobile su= ddenly takes the channel > =20 > Am has no cut off point , but gradual degradation until the recover= ed audio is no longer usable ......eg, mcw would readable much lowe= r than AM speech > =20 > I think much over 250/300 MHz its actually not possible to produce= AM , could be wrong , but there is a limit , may be by high lev= el modulation falls over , dont see why could not be via transvertin= g ....... > =20 > G.. > From: mal hamilton > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM > To: rsgb > Subject: LF: A/G FREQS >=20 > As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex working. I have also notic= ed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM transmitter when= working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be opened up to receive se= veral stations simultaneously then select the one of interest by closing dow= n the selectivity, the same applies on CW. On FM if you tried this the tran= smission would fall into a black hole, in other words the FM rx has to be ta= ilored to the exact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation value) > g3kev > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-496F772C-8DDD-4E0A-8F2B-CDB6CC09AD53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
If you mean for 500kHz permits, I believe OFCOM is only renewing existing NOVs. 472-479kHz will not need an NOV once allocated Jan 1st 2013 (maybe sooner?).

73s
Roger G3XBM

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 26 Jun 2012, at 22:19, julie <julieblinx@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi can any one give me some advice on how to fill out ofcoms nov, i am a bit stuck.
David G6WGZ

From: Gary G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: LF Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 18:51
Subject: RE: LF: A/G FREQS

Hi All,
 
Pete M0FMT wrote :-
When I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days.
 
That was my very first transmitter.....And don't forget...."Tuning high to low for a reply".
 
That takes me back  :-)
 
73,
 
Gary - G4WGT.

 
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100
From: m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS

Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. After all its just the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in a nonlinear device like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess you would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and using considerably less power over all. Class E an all.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 17:09
Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS

Steady on Mal !   this  is getting  technical  !"
 
Your  right  , FM has a  cut off  point  , where  demodulation fails  and  also  a  capture  effect , where the  stronger of  2 signals  will  acquire  and  hold the  demodulator ..always   fun  on 2  mtrs   when a  mobile  suddenly  takes  the  channel
 
Am  has no  cut off  point , but  gradual  degradation  until the  recovered  audio  is no  longer usable  ......eg,  mcw  would  readable  much  lower  than  AM speech
 
I think  much over  250/300 MHz   its  actually  not  possible to  produce  AM  , could be  wrong  , but  there is a  limit  , may   be  by  high  level  modulation falls over , dont  see  why  could  not  be  via  transverting  .......
 
G..
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: A/G FREQS

As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex working.  I have also noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then select the one of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on CW.  On FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a black hole, in other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the exact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation value)
g3kev
 




--Apple-Mail-496F772C-8DDD-4E0A-8F2B-CDB6CC09AD53-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F31F8380000A9; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sceat-0002hK-0m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:25:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sceas-0002hB-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:25:50 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sceaq-0002aZ-2l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:25:49 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjoFADLH0E9cHYyS/2dsb2JhbAArGoJFgwmYcpVggQiCEwUBAQQBCAEBAxYzAg8XBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiECAhQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYYAgWwDBgkHKaVliRETiUiKPWCEeoESA409iHKJZwWEfIJggVYFBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,731,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="540700764" Received: from host-92-29-140-146.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.146]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 16:25:45 +0100 Message-ID: <001301cd44c1$cd79c960$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> <001101cd44b4$e7635060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1339082179.2504.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:25:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete Mine is a Read as you Go service. It could change tomorrow. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 3:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5624f0ff3acda0934438723229c028ec Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD44C1.CD10CE60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:504804832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ca4fd0c83130f1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD44C1.CD10CE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete Mine is a Read as you Go service. It could change tomorrow. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 3:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Mal All that useful info could be put on File on Yahoo group reflector and = we would all know. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 14:53 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz =EF=BB=BF=20 There are several countries in EU active on 500 Khz CW at present. The info has been posted in the past when countries became active. = Check the reflector daily for more info. G, GI, EA. ON, SQ, EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, LA OZ, 9H, PA0, S52, DL4, YO, = OH,=20 That is all that I remember working so far but maybe i have missed = some, must check my log. These stations are all active on normal CW from = around EU and there are others worldwide like W and VE plus others. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: manginbenoit.pro=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) granting = MF access to the amateur service so fast ? We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our = tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. 73 Ben=20 > Message du 07/06/12 13:16 > De : "mal hamilton"=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > Stefan > I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also EI0CF many = times during > the winter months. > I work QSO mode only and no beacons. > I have also had some QSO'S with Russian stations, they call me = on 7033 and I > reply on 502 normally although I have vfo control. > I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 but not = SLOWER > When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will end next = January > Mal/g3kev >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > To:=20 > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz >=20 >=20 > > Hi Joe, LF, > > > > Yes, we're here of course :-) > > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made = and vy > > narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. > > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to = them when > > the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an = extended > > frequency range then or will you have to QSY? > > And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA = detection? > > Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km = distance? > > It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, = however > > with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a = problem... > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: > > > > > > Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... > > > > > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and > > > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. > > > > > > 73 > > > Joe VO1NA > > > > > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and = conditions at > > > > = http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.p= hp > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD44C1.CD10CE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Pete
Mine is a Read as you Go service. It could = change=20 tomorrow.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 = 3:16=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 = kHz

Mal
All that useful info could be put on File on=20 Yahoo group reflector and we would all know.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal=20 hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, 7 = June 2012,=20 14:53
Subject: Re: = LF: VX9MRC=20 504.1 kHz

=EF=BB=BF=20
There are several countries in EU active on = 500 Khz CW=20 at present.
The info has been posted in the past  = when=20 countries became active. Check the reflector daily for more = info.
G, GI,  EA. ON, SQ, EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, = LA OZ, 9H,=20 PA0, S52, DL4, YO, OH,
That is all that I remember working so far but = maybe i=20 have missed some, must check my log. These stations are all active on = normal=20 CW from around EU and there are others worldwide like W and VE plus=20 others.
de mal/g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 manginbenoit.pro =
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:49 AM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz

Are there other EU countries (apart from the British = Isles)=20 granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ?

We = in France=20 still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our tutelage=20 administration. Or maybe am I not well=20 informed.

73

Ben 




>=20 Message du 07/06/12 13:16
> De : "mal hamilton"
> A : = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
>=20 Copie =C3=A0 :
> Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 = kHz
>
>=20 Stefan
> I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic = also EI0CF=20 many times during
> the winter months.
> I work QSO = mode only=20 and no beacons.
> I have also had some QSO'S with Russian = stations,=20 they call me on 7033 and I
> reply on 502 normally although = I have=20 vfo control.
> I work on CW and if condx get difficult I = work QRS3=20 but not SLOWER
> When the new band starts the old 500 khz = band will=20 end next January
> Mal/g3kev
>
>
> ----- = Original Message -----
> From: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer" =
> To:=20
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:45 AM
> Subject: = Re: LF:=20 VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
>
>
> > Hi Joe, = LF,
>=20 >
> > Yes, we're here of course :-)
> > = Unfortunately=20 i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy
> = >=20 narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some = time.
>=20 > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to = them=20 when
> > the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you = have an=20 extended
> > frequency range then or will you have to=20 QSY?
> > And what about the chances of this band? How = easy is a=20 TA detection?
> > Would it be possible to have a CW QSO = over that=20 4400 km distance?
> > It would be possible for me to = radiate 1 kW=20 ERP on that band, however
> > with a 1W (EIRP of course)=20 limitation, this may become a problem...
> >
> > = 73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC
> >
> >
> > Am 07.06.2012 = 02:15,=20 schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:
> > >
> > > = Hopefully=20 someone will read this on Baa Baa....
> > >
> = > >=20 The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and
> = >=20 > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed.
> > = >
>=20 > > 73
> > > Joe VO1NA
> > >
> = >=20 > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and = conditions=20 at
> > >
>=20 = http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.p= hp
>=20 > >
> >
>
>
>=20 =


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------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CD511F.0AD37A40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 06665380000BA; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCZU-0001AI-Vh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:18:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCZU-0001A9-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:18:24 +0100 Received: from nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.59]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCZR-00025a-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:18:22 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.52] by nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:18:20 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.245] by tm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:18:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:18:20 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.com Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 587015.65362.bm@omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28243 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2012 15:18:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338736700; bh=xII/yTrYrovZ5E4bFkYT2AJj+ykwRx8JMCrHQKYr92Q=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HxJhN2s1Myfg6u6nYtAOwnFMjpJqsVUlOWNEAKUpqQlXVuA/+HjDte1WoygUjlO0laf0CqFeSszNTv77vVRqvZwit+JRJ3Krmabwv5GFYf1Jlh7p2tInm1s10apDcHzPMGmVROXgQVxzWIFxDuZUJQpLlS6hgh+ebvi0B0lyruI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dLAON5e5DBBU4p5EhdwgSjID3fOS8ntqekXovSi0v0Z87zDyybXXHiVYWkd/7NaAU2mWw0Gx/PC9+gsdjxwCYNjKnhq5LyJnQwMHorwrogpL8K2wvUiiefd/3jIP+wrRGvH1SVQLA4prNQ74gJ9EeILiNwxg43HYUKn3JviuCSk=; X-YMail-OSG: qezF7pgVM1lFBwp2oCZ7qQxKYleHwN7TLOCpHO4JF3FJoFm 1wuxCzeOV4EUiXUp.74Dvsvpk8.t9XViF8.Jf2Uky1oz0n_rcc0lwZg2ZKGW pr.JulmB483aSgNgd2DXIVegf6az8dNyhdZ9JnCsgCvYEqzRys.lB9g.I3ga oI44RYZjY4yn9Pi.7C0NGEPF3RhBvPNihO81UOBkhrYIO9A0NUekeS0UQzFl HYedrFxhPqLCOsT7Cgn1rjaJ4Cc5b9nOouRL9cXfJGLm98b0BjkOuMOKjvvC zZ6wDiN_LmVt9hFJzOm3QKYdsCA3Nk7D1ORWN4pOkZGmvW95BprVAe7P2xPg SpkA0.JuaBGUHCeMt73XgjN_ybPaytzf_f1uiYBKOnFB_Erynh0VL2mV46k4 .9LmV9fD1X41MVqdSrBiWzglq546Lm6KxUgdhHVRCvdCt.v.0asEo2NBzF1i ShdxlZQSlpx9M_XSpjJZ1xFQHjB2xH8g2URjZ13NQ7yYHBSmq0KuVWe5A1v3 8QB_iXVj1MJngZE4hrmDejdWai_cNpE78ti_wocD8WlQJE7avoMMs1H.Zg8U vySNfLThQn2f4NPYEsds- Received: from [87.6.206.85] by web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:18:20 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FCB7CC1.6030803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: <1338736700.22711.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:18:20 +0100 (BST) From: Daniele Tincani To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FCB7CC1.6030803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Honestly I'm a bit confused by this (long) discussion taking place on two lists at the same time :-) I observe that it is not rare that the same subject (e.g. LF/VLF radio) is covered by different lists on different platforms with no conflicts and usually the members of one list are not asked to decide if another list should survive or not. Best regards Daniele [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 9bd342c7d74bc0c7d15d59c1164ca995 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1740643075-175115766-1338736700=:22711" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:478764768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m003.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fcb807279f4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1740643075-175115766-1338736700=:22711 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Honestly I'm a bit confused by this (long) discussion taking place on two l= ists at the same time :-)=0AI observe that it is not rare that the same sub= ject (e.g. LF/VLF radio) is covered by different lists on different platfor= ms with no conflicts and usually the members of one list are not asked to d= ecide if another list should survive or not.=0ABest regards=0ADaniele=0A = =0A=0A________________________________=0A Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: D= omenica 3 Giugno 2012 17:03=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Poll announcement=0A =0A=0A= =0AOf course all those who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the= =0Apoll. But there may be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo=0Ast= uff". Those will have no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo=0Apoll = it is advantaged to pro-yahoo in advance.=0AAnyway i will subsrcibe and try= to give my vote, as long as i don't=0Aneed an extra yahoo account for that= . It was easy to subscribe to the=0Alist but i'm afraid that taking part in= a poll assumes to have a yahoo=0Aaccount. Then i cannot see the poll as re= ally valid.=0A=0AIn that case, someone may have in mind that i vote for bla= cksheep. =0ATwo separate groups would be a bad compromise and they would al= ways try=0Ato pull members from the other group to themselves. Anyway i wou= ld=0Aagree to such a compromise.=0A=0AOn the blacksheep refelector we have = been ONE GROUP, now we may loose a=0Aminority, maybe. For what? MORE MORE M= ORE=0AVery sad!=0A=0ABTW Please don't forget those who are not so familiar = with the=0Aenglish language! They may be very LF interested but can't follo= w=0Athe discussion and tell their opinion in an understandable way. Minorit= ies,=0Abut worth to think about!=0A=0AStefan/DK7FC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAm 03.06.2= 012 15:57, schrieb John Gould: =0AI've=0Aput up a poll on the Yahoo! Group = version to see whether there is a=0Aclear view on the way forward. =A0I tho= ught that there was, but there=0Aseem to still be some with concerns. =A0 I= personally don't want to have=0Atwo groups, which is why I didn't support = a move to Yahoo! Groups=0Aearlier; I thought from what I had read on the li= st that there were=0Alots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo!= Groups offering.=0A=A0Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yaho= o! Groups and it=0Aoffers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile see= ing what the=0Apreference is for the way forward. =A0 =0A>=0A> =0A>For=0Ath= ose not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of course=0Ahav= e to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can=0Aexercise you= r right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish). =0A>=0A> =0A>The=0Adet= ail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow: =0A>=0A>= =0A>=0AEnter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the=0A>rsgb_= lf_group=0Agroup:=0A>=0A>Now=0Athat you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! G= roups list,=0A>how=0Ado you want to continue?=0A>=0A>o=0AWith the Yahoo! Gr= oups list=0A>o=0AWith the Blacksheep.org list=0A>o=0ABoth lists=0A>=0A>=0A>= To=0Avote, please visit the following web page:=0A>http://uk.groups.yahoo.c= om/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=3D13140385=0A>=0A>Note:=0APlease do not r= eply to this message. Poll votes are=0A>not=0Acollected via email. To vote,= you must go to the Yahoo! Groups=0A>web=0Asite listed above.=0A>=0A>Thanks= ! =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>73=0AJohn, G3WKL ---1740643075-175115766-1338736700=:22711 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Honestly I'm a bit confused by this (long) discussion taking place on two= lists at the same time :-)
I observe that it is not= rare that the same subject (e.g. LF/VLF radio) is covered by different lis= ts on different platforms with no conflicts and usually the members of one = list are not asked to decide if another list should survive or not.<= /div>
Best regards
Daniele

Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Sch= aefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
A= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Inviato: Domenica 3 Giugno 2012 17:03
Oggetto: Re: LF: Poll announcement
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=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A
=0AOf course all th= ose who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the=0Apoll. But there ma= y be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo=0Astuff". Those will have= no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo=0Apoll it is advantaged to p= ro-yahoo in advance.
=0AAnyway i will subsrcibe and try to give my vote,= as long as i don't=0Aneed an extra yahoo account for that. It was easy to = subscribe to the=0Alist but i'm afraid that taking part in a poll assumes t= o have a yahoo=0Aaccount. Then i cannot see the poll as really valid.
= =0A
=0AIn that case, someone may have in mind that i vote for blacksheep= .
=0ATwo separate groups would be a bad compromise and they would alway= s try=0Ato pull members from the other group to themselves. Anyway i would= =0Aagree to such a compromise.
=0A
=0AOn the blacksheep refelector we= have been ONE GROUP, now we may loose a=0Aminority, maybe. For what? MORE = MORE MORE
=0AVery sad!
=0A
=0ABTW Please don't forget those who= are not so familiar with the=0Aenglish language! They may be very LF i= nterested but can't follow=0Athe discussion and tell their opinion in an un= derstandable way. Minorities,=0Abut worth to think about!
=0A
= =0AStefan/DK7FC
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0AAm 03.06.2012 15:57, schr= ieb John Gould:=0A
=0A
I've=0Aput up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whet= her there is a=0Aclear view on the way forward.  I thought that there = was, but there=0Aseem to still be some with concerns.   I personally d= on't want to have=0Atwo groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yah= oo! Groups=0Aearlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there= were=0Alots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups offer= ing.=0A Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Groups = and it=0Aoffers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing what t= he=0Apreference is for the way forward.  
=0A

=0A
=0A
For=0Athose not currently members of the Yahoo! Gr= oup list you will of course=0Ahave to join in order to vote, but at least t= his is how you can=0Aexercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if = you wish).
=0A

= =0A
=0A
The=0Adetai= l of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow:=0A

=0A
=0A = =0A

=0A
=0AEnter your vote today! A new poll has been = created for the
=0A rsgb_lf_group=0Agroup:
=0A
=0A Now=0Athat you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list= ,
=0A how=0Ado you want to continue?
=0A
=0A o=0AWith the Yahoo! Groups list
=0A o=0AWith the Blacksheep.org = list
=0A o=0ABoth lists
=0A
=0A
=0A <= span style=3D"text-align: left; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; back= ground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">To=0Avote, please visit the following we= b page:
=0A http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surve= ys?id=3D13140385
=0A
=0A Note:=0APlease d= o not reply to this message. Poll votes are
=0A not=0Acollected via email= . To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
=0A web=0Asite listed above.<= /span>
=0A
=0A Thanks!=0A

=0A
=0A

=0A
=0A
73=0AJohn, G3WKL
=0A
=0A
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---1740643075-175115766-1338736700=:22711-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BB21038000085; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScglX-0003i8-4R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:44:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScglW-0003hz-Gr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:44:58 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScglU-0003MK-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:44:57 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnsFABLo0E9cHYyS/2dsb2JhbAArGoVOmHIDkRiERYEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMWMwImBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiECAhQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAQqFdoFsAwYJBymmAIkLE4lIix0IE4RfgRIDjT2IcolnhQGCYIFWBQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,732,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="383587109" Received: from host-92-29-140-146.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.146]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 18:44:54 +0100 Message-ID: <003901cd44d5$3f63a470$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> <4FD0999E.3080206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1608727203.579919.1339071424127.JavaMail.www@wwinf8307> <4FD09E40.2050308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1681559339.753475.1339087873235.JavaMail.www@wwinf8219> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 17:44:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: He has a good TX signal but cannot Receive. It is no problem for normal CW to work on 137. I have worked over 30 countries in the past. QRSS is not necessary for those that make an effort especially around EU and as far as Moscow de g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 94a3ffcd3903efbf0b2b811b1b1cc0bf Subject: Re: LF: MF Allocation (was:VX9MRC 504.1 kHz) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD44D5.3F2CDD00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488286944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fd0e8c5626c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD44D5.3F2CDD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He has a good TX signal but cannot Receive. It is no problem for normal CW to work on 137. I have worked over 30 = countries in the past. QRSS is not necessary for those that make an effort especially around EU = and as far as Moscow de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: manginbenoit.pro=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: MF Allocation (was:VX9MRC 504.1 kHz) This is the eternal question... QRSS is quite easier and most probably the only solution for most of = us BUT: We are a quite a large lot to look forward = "operator-hands-and-ears" CW activity. If 137 was more populated, maybe wouldn't it be so hard to QSO in = regular CW, even with veeeeeeeery low ERPs.=20 That should be peanuts for you Stefan, once you get on the air another = monstrous signal. On MF, the problem is similar, although antenna efficiency is greater, = and CW should be easier.=20 Passionned with 160 meters, I would also focus on CW for MF 630 = meters, with probably a bit of slow CW beaconing or QSO, but just for = fun. The no-computer approach is something of a challenge. Remember, CW is "Man versus Machine !!!". 73 Ben > Message du 07/06/12 14:32 > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > Hi Ben, >=20 > I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small = PA and a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth = and so i will not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within = the band, hopefully. That makes things easier. > On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, = maybe even no computer. However Speclab would be fine to get an overview = of the band activity and offers nice filter and noise reduction tools... > I'm really excited how the band will be populated. It's not so far = away from 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole = for 80m, configured as a T antenna will work reasonable if a suitable = earth is available. >=20 > But what's the problem in France? You have so much space for large = antennas, don't you? Or do you live in Paris City? :-) >=20 > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > Am 07.06.2012 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:=20 Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP. >=20 > My "reasonable" setup indicates me that triple that value could = be necessary... >=20 > CU there >=20 > Ben >=20 >=20 >=20 > Message du 07/06/12 14:12 > > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > > > I only heared some rumours about the permission starting = January, 1st,=20 > > 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is = given out on the=20 > > Ham Radio 2012 = (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php)=20 > > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more = realistic. > >=20 > > Time to build a suitable loading coil for MF. I will need = about 240 uH=20 > > only... > >=20 > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > >=20 > > Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > > > Are there other EU countries (apart from the British = Isles)=20 > > > granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ? > > > > > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper = from our=20 > > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > Ben > >=20 > >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD44D5.3F2CDD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
He has a good TX signal but cannot = Receive.
It is no problem for normal CW to work on 137. I = have=20 worked over 30 countries in the past.
QRSS is not necessary for those that make an = effort=20 especially around EU and as far as Moscow
de g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 manginbenoit.pro =
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 = 4:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: MF Allocation=20 (was:VX9MRC 504.1 kHz)

This is the eternal question...

QRSS is quite = easier and=20 most probably the only solution for most of us BUT: We are a quite a = large lot=20 to look forward "operator-hands-and-ears" CW=20 activity.

If 137 was more populated, maybe wouldn't it be so = hard to=20 QSO in regular CW, even with veeeeeeeery low ERPs.

That should = be=20 peanuts for you Stefan, once you get on the air another monstrous=20 signal.

On MF, the problem is similar, although antenna = efficiency is=20 greater, and CW should be easier.
Passionned with 160 meters, I = would also=20 focus on CW for MF 630 meters, with probably a bit of slow CW = beaconing or=20 QSO, but just for fun. The no-computer approach is something of a=20 challenge.

Remember, CW is "Man versus Machine=20 !!!".

73

Ben




>=20 Message du 07/06/12 14:32
> De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer" =
> A :=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Copie =C3=A0 :
> Objet : = Re: LF:=20 VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> I do not = intend to=20 run so much power. I will rather build a small PA and a lossy coil. = A lossy=20 coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and so i will not need to = adjust=20 the resonance when making QSY within the band, hopefully. That makes = things=20 easier.
> On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No = QRSS, no=20 grabber, maybe even no computer. However Speclab would be fine to = get an=20 overview of the band activity and offers nice filter and noise = reduction=20 tools...
> I'm really excited how the band will be populated. = It's not=20 so far away from 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio antenna, = e.g. a=20 dipole for 80m, configured as a T antenna will work reasonable if a = suitable=20 earth is available.
>
> But what's the problem in = France? You=20 have so much space for large antennas, don't you? Or do you live in = Paris=20 City? :-)
>
> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
> Am = 07.06.2012=20 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:=20
Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for = your KW=20 ERP.
>
> My "reasonable" setup indicates me that=20  triple that value could be necessary...
> =
> CU=20 there
>
> Ben
>
>
>=20 >=20 Message du 07/06/12 14:12
> > De : "Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer"
>=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
>=20 > Copie =C3=A0 :
> > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 = kHz
>=20 >
> > I only heared some rumours about the = permission=20 starting January, 1st,
> > 2013, here in DL. Also i = heard=20 rumours that a permit is given out on the
> > Ham = Radio 2012=20 (http://w= ww.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php)=20
> > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is = more=20 realistic.
> >
> > Time to build a suitable = loading=20 coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH
> > = only...
> >=20
> > 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> >
> > Am = 07.06.2012=20 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:
> > > Are there = other EU=20 countries (apart from the British Isles)
> > > = granting MF=20 access to the amateur service so fast ?
> > = >
> >=20 > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper = from our=20
> > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not = well=20 informed.
> > >
> > > 73
> >=20 >
> > > Ben
> >
> >=20
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CD44D5.3F2CDD00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 521C9380000C0; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShpnB-0002PW-Fg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:23:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShpnB-0002PN-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:23:57 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shpn9-00050e-4m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:23:55 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5LMNrOw010385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:23:54 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5LMNruG008979; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:23:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE39E8E.8000301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:22:06 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D." X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Martin, LF, I'm fascinated by the noise drop on LF which occurs during your sunrise. On your grabber (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), i can see the noise drops 15 dB within 20 minutes. That means the sun must be very strong so the ionosphere is very quickly ionized. Also the local lightning density must be extreme. All in all it looks like a very sensitive system. But some directivity would be interesting :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: cc2e5baae40f8f7a09b47e6877ef0bfb Subject: LF: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:369559968:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4fe39f2a6c2f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Martin, LF, I'm fascinated by the noise drop on LF which occurs during your sunrise. On your grabber (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), i can see the noise drops 15 dB within 20 minutes. That means the sun must be very strong so the ionosphere is very quickly ionized. Also the local lightning density must be extreme. All in all it looks like a very sensitive system. But some directivity would be interesting :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: I will be on 136.172 kHz again this night, starting in a few minutes... 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: G.., LF, What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 73624bb08a20c2e0895fd0d9fb8136a4 Subject: LF: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:350552096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fca41984009 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none G.., LF, What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5BB9B38000099; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 07:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbsBp-00042T-49 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:44:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbsBo-00042H-Dz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:44:44 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbsBl-0001t8-Ss for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:44:43 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Jun 2012 11:44:39 -0000 Received: from p4FDD6F67.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [79.221.111.103] by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 13:44:39 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/DTDxVckzDkM1ZYr73wZcZXW1MVUUIMKcoHhZSre VW8pK0tlO6P/E9 Message-ID: <007001cd4310$97448400$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net><4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de><4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net><77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk><517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk><4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><4FCCD2B9.1030408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:44:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John, >I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used for QSO related posts I'm concerned about the time delay on the black sheep server. To my experience there is always a certain delay until emails appear on the refelector and this delay is more or less variable. So you never can be sure if a 'qso alert' and the related replies reach the interested list members *in time* which is quite essential when trying a sked. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 8784cdbd504ef8804d6bf58c55c77386 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01CD4321.58F0A4C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:511574048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fcdf1577258 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CD4321.58F0A4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John, >I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used for QSO related posts I'm concerned about the time delay on the black sheep server. To my experience there is always a certain delay until emails appear on the refelector and this delay is more or less variable. So you never can be sure if a 'qso alert' and the related replies reach the interested list members *in time* which is quite essential when trying a sked. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 11:03 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Stefan, Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported before. Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes both ways. I don't really want to administer two groups, especially this one as it's cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to effectively take away a facility that a few people use really effectively. I have to admit that I can't understand what the fuss is about and moreso the poor behaviour by a few; it's just doesn't match with the ethos of amateur radio. I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used for QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the more technical discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the additional facilities. Short-term information of this sort isn't wanted by everyone and doesn't need to be searched after the event, so having two lists for the different functions has some logic. Stefan, I'll try and do the right thing - hopefully, some clarity will come when the emotion runs its course. 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 16:22, Stefan Schfer wrote: Hello John, Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again... Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored! Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group, although we are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party (in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you shut them down? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould: Stefan, I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Schfer wrote: Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process. My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends. E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5044 - Ausgabedatum: 04.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CD4321.58F0A4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John,
 
>I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be = used for=20 QSO related posts
 
I'm concerned about the time delay on = the black=20 sheep server.
To my experience there is always a = certain delay=20 until emails appear on the refelector
and this delay is more or less=20 variable.
So you never can be sure if  a = 'qso=20 alert'  and the related replies reach the interested list=20 members
*in time* which is quite = essential when=20 trying a sked.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 = 11:03=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black = Sheep


Stefan,

Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that = reported=20 before.

Of course I will understand that there will be some that either = can't=20 vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes = both=20 ways.  

I don't really want to administer two groups, especially this one = as it's=20 cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to effectively take away a = facility that a few people use really effectively.  I have to = admit that=20 I can't understand what the fuss is about and moreso the poor = behaviour by a=20 few; it's just doesn't match with the ethos of amateur radio.

I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be = used for=20 QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the more = technical=20 discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the additional = facilities.=20  Short-term information of this sort isn't wanted by everyone and = doesn't=20 need to be searched after the event, so having two lists for the = different=20 functions has some logic.

Stefan,  I'll try and do the right thing - hopefully, some = clarity=20 will come when the emotion runs its course.  

73 John, G3WKL
On 4 June 2012 16:22, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> = wrote:
Hello = John,

Yesterday i=20 subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to be on = the list=20 (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the yahoo = list. But=20 the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the "members only" = section.=20 So no chance. I unsubscribed again...

Apart from this, there = are=20 several members (i assume) who are not so fimilar with the english = language=20 but anyway want to be a part of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ = years old=20 i assume. This may be to complex for a fraction of those and so they = have no=20 real chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored! =

Anyway, you=20 clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only me who = wants to=20 stay here. The LF community here is a small group, although we are = spread=20 all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party (in a fair poll) = would be=20 only 20%, would you shut them down?

73, = Stefan/DK7FC

Am=20 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould:=20
Stefan,=20

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a = yahoo=20 account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail = account and=20 that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group = with your=20 Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be = authorised by one=20 of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a = poll on=20 the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they = voted.=20  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=20 wrote:
Hi Clive, LF,

For those who simply = subscribed=20 to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not = possible to=20 vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please = remind=20 those who are blind for such facts that there are further = members=20 (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this = process.

My=20 vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group = compromise. As=20 long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where = one has=20 to win and the other will be shut down after some = time.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive = Lorton:
If you have voted it is possible to change = your vote=20 before the voting period ends.
 =20 =



E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
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Content preview: I'm getting a good signal from you here in the UK 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:455539712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fdcf3577d6a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I'm getting a good signal from you here in the UK 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Hi Jan, Thanks for the info. Are you ready for a QSO? We can try. When i disconnect the antenna, the noise drops by more than 40 dB, so maybe it works on 501 as well. I still haven't heared a amateur radio station on MF in my live! So that would be a very premair. If you are ready, tell me aQRG... 73, Stefan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 359D238000095; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si8HF-0007Dy-1P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:08:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si8HE-0007Dp-Dy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:08:12 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si8HC-0000Oi-Ow for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:08:11 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.16]) by mwinf5d07 with ME id RW871j00B0LrbAy03W88st; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:08:08 +0200 Message-ID: <290FF3E2019C4AF8A140FEFEA8C18C98@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FE4AC54.3090901@legal-medicine.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE4AC54.3090901@legal-medicine.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:08:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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I think its just fine as its is , why, you can even post little graphics , directly with BS , very handy , the yahoo rejected the same file format , and came forth useful comments from those who have trod before , classical in every way [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Re: LF: Blacksheep and Yahoo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:495984320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584fe4b4cb2b1a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LOL as the webby folk say ! I think its just fine as its is , why, you can even post little graphics , directly with BS , very handy , the yahoo rejected the same file format , and came forth useful comments from those who have trod before , classical in every way Even a tetchy exchange last week , priceless as the advert used to say , classical , if its not broke , don't try and fix it ! And the rains stopped G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "pws" Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 6:33 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Blacksheep and Yahoo > Roger, > > You wrote: >> Just wondering how people think the current set-up is working? The recent >> poll suggested a large majority would be happy with a full migration to >> Yahoo, but we seem to now have a very messy split with postings in either >> place or both. >> ... > > 1. > After those boring incident at the VLF Group at Yahoo! > (look for "Schumann Resonance and Venus Transit" there) > I propose using Yahoo! for day-to-day postings and > Blacksheep for in-depth discussions. > > 2. > If you cannot live without those Yahoo! stuff use an > incognito without any call sign or full name. > Keep in mind that all postings there are fully open to > the world including all kinds of search engines, > data mining engines, etc. Ignoring that is naive. > > Peter, df3lp > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 11ABE3800009D; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skhny-0002kf-Cy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:28:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skhnx-0002kW-GG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:28:37 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skhnu-0008Dx-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:28:36 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5TKSW4K000873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:28:32 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5TKSW9W011989 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:28:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:26:38 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: 4th try... -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 Von: Stefan Schäfer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e6360f34ef88d0e1db765f70efb2bfe9 Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070309080208000409030109" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489569568:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fee1053090a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070309080208000409030109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TKSW4K000873 4th try... -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473 kHz. It is available at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very high. See the image: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.pn= g So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------070309080208000409030109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5TKSW4K000873 4th try...

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: = Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>= ;
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.d=
e/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/=
applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19=
882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green=20
wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red=20
wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b=
-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC
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------=_NextPart_000_03EF_01CD5384.9770E840-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6F60A380001C1; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShLt0-0002rO-E9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:27:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShLt0-0002rF-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:27:58 +0100 Received: from mailt.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShLsx-0003fx-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:27:56 +0100 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A333C200009FE for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:27:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 3D0AD20000A84; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:27:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [10.3.157.90]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn@toya.net.pl) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 69F39200009F4 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:27:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:27:01 +0200 From: Piotr Mlynarski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; pl; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: W dniu 2012-06-20 00:11, Stefan Schäfer pisze: > Sorry Rik, i heared (probably) you calling me but i didn't catch your > call. PA3ABK was reasonable strong. The QSB, yes.. So maybe next time.. > > Another question: Those of you who have a wideband RX (SDR for > example), which SDR software do you use to surf over the band? There > is one from I2PHD and i saw another one that is based on Linux. > Recommendations please. I would like to download one tonite and don't > know the program with the best features. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Subject: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW ... SDR programs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:326224928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fe1de461049 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none W dniu 2012-06-20 00:11, Stefan Sch=E4fer pisze: > Sorry Rik, i heared (probably) you calling me but i didn't catch your=20 > call. PA3ABK was reasonable strong. The QSB, yes.. So maybe next time.. > > Another question: Those of you who have a wideband RX (SDR for=20 > example), which SDR software do you use to surf over the band? There=20 > is one from I2PHD and i saw another one that is based on Linux.=20 > Recommendations please. I would like to download one tonite and don't=20 > know the program with the best features. Hi Stefan, LF i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting software=20 for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. you can download this program from the rfspace site: http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to get=20 started. However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link to sdr=20 -radio: http://www.sdr-radio.com/ they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular=20 transceiver front side It has many many different options - of course, it does take time to=20 learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html very intuitive and easy to use. Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr=20 hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find her= e: https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software =20 yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4682738000093; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 06:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb89d-0005ld-FW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:35:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb89c-0005lU-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:35:24 +0100 Received: from nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.196]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb89a-0000hw-HC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:35:23 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm12.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 10:35:21 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.134] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 10:35:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 10:35:21 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 237567.77264.bm@omp1039.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 46875 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2012 10:35:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338719721; bh=peKeogKr8pPLgoZhNjo7vLOjlidbSXUituelrCCaOSk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sKG9Iw7mSsTJ3Je83I+xZ4KavBfFKJjq1pO4Dy5Wnj2ZoXHIIb/PFYRLiNY/VaTTi9enf7grwr/kddIXVpXyNagiTZqoWdHt2NTgwNaGLCUIS3r6EOWHS7kcYIEUG030/6plQm4F5s4MyK2TU0sF5Ki3HG857yrWSo3pyasKJdQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YgomcFBjAd87x62JwxWYOAcowSETDakvC/w5D9Vg0N0nSI6ASuCdeVlbKZPvhAZvn3G1DoaNiJ8ynM917nGmRDYs8hDR3G4xH8g89ZxWzGXiiwDVFLVf4HtL823iiGa6SO0t5ILsW6Pe5VIwP+3TgWDy+gWAcrw0rjfWjhsIKE8=; X-YMail-OSG: JbUD8GMVM1ltEWyQ5206.xj9lqzQbPhQEqRptJEtgdwRKLe 6aCwCQFktQ6A.jlPYq68J5RWcrnHtkqZ.pbb_uZxMNS_FfvWAD.jn7L_ODSE vWlrCaDc49dUK2ZEVbpd4nhe19X8mJSzFsGRcptPihZ2pUfS.4BKfC.p_xRS Yo6ZJc2smEBmzctP6zpMtNhi7aT4iyBH0h9lExaK55Jw6UacdBHrP6N6QWJe eAbPuHwDJnGseVlXCIs6CkDBIlf0jjHik0SWaq0W.5ToffmGkjiTSBmAQ6iF C.h6Eien4fOiPWAher3crkuwZF_nQiPV1bLXtgxEMbg9iOjJIWjepC2we839 MUI0MWwW16Vpf1DGQMM6N8tHAQxP46uv0EcPnfu7IqWIdukXB6mUxFAwWCPI FPUkm1GShENeGXhc79vLSnf66uqEdkSYCCXAapHNnValTkE8h9p8m7HUo Received: from [86.149.196.5] by web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:35:20 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> Message-ID: <1338719720.38541.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:35:20 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All I may be missing the point here and appologies if that is the case. To avoid the adverts and the "Brave New World" or "The Shock of the New" that Yahoo has brought to LF you can elect to have your LF mails "Bundled" and delivered to your existing Web e-mail address or to your POP server sans ads! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.196 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 39d0aa3a8a50eef73e9de70bcfcadb32 Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-1092700409-1338719720=:38541" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:390989184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d310.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fcb3e264d7c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-1092700409-1338719720=:38541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=0A=A0=0AI may be missing the point here and appologies if that is th= e case.=0A=A0=0ATo avoid the adverts and the "Brave New World" or "The Shoc= k of the New" that Yahoo has brought to LF you can elect to have your LF ma= ils "Bundled" and delivered to your existing Web e-mail address or to your = POP server sans ads!=0A=0ATry it. The presentation is virtually as it was o= n Blacksheep but with a clickable=A0index at the top of the page.=0A=0A73 e= s GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: DK= 8KW & DI2BO =0ATo: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g" =0ASent: Sunday, 3 June 2012, 10:11=0ASub= ject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status=0A =0AHi,=0A=0AWhile I can understand= some people's wishes to continue on the blacksheep server, those should un= derstand that the move to Yahoo is not because email servers are suddenly o= utdated and not 'en vogue' any longer. There are reasons behind this transi= tion. Some (many?) of us had trouble to post in the past couple of months a= nd were on 'read only' mode due to some issues with the server. I had tried= multiple times to post here and, due to the lack of time, I had to give up= . Only recently I found a workaround by using a completely different email = account. I am glad that with the Yahoo Group I can return to read and hopef= ully post on a regular basis, making use of the LF/MF's community joint int= elligence and experience.=0A=0ATalking about advertisements and spam: the e= mail address that I used only for the LF-reflector has been swamped in the = past years by mails from people from foreign countries offering a lot of mo= ney if I assist them to transfer money of numerous people who suddenly and = sadly passed away. I am glad to get rid of those spams as well now and glad= ly take into account some advertisements on the Yahoo group.=0A=0A73=0A=0AG= eri, DK8KW & DI2BO=0A=0AOn 03.06.2012, at 10:37, pws wrote:=0A=0A> To John, G3WKL,=0A> =0A> Please do NOT shut down this refle= ctor.=0A> =0A> 1. It's active in positive sense.=0A> =0A> 2. There are too = many hams here who say=0A> "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven=0A> Br= ave New World were each posting will be=0A> "googleable" for ever. Me too.= =0A> =0A> That's the reason I unsubscribed from=0A> some Yapoo-Groups recen= tly.=0A> =0A> 73 Peter, df3lp=0A> ---176341844-1092700409-1338719720=:38541 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All
=
 
I may be missing the point here an= d appologies if that is the case.
 
To avoid the adverts and the "Brave New World" or "The Shock of= the New" that Yahoo has brought to LF you can elect to have your LF mails = "Bundled" and delivered to your existing Web e-mail address or to your POP = server sans ads!
 
Try it. The presentation= is virtually as it was on Blacksheep but with a clickable index at th= e top of the page.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: DK8KW & DI2BO <dk8kw.di2bo@googlemail.com&g= t;
To: "rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2012, 10:11
Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector= status

Hi,

While I can understand some peopl= e's wishes to continue on the blacksheep server, those should understand th= at the move to Yahoo is not because email servers are suddenly outdated and= not 'en vogue' any longer. There are reasons behind this transition. Some = (many?) of us had trouble to post in the past couple of months and were on = 'read only' mode due to some issues with the server. I had tried multiple times = to post here and, due to the lack of time, I had to give up. Only recently = I found a workaround by using a completely different email account. I am gl= ad that with the Yahoo Group I can return to read and hopefully post on a r= egular basis, making use of the LF/MF's community joint intelligence and ex= perience.

Talking about advertisements and spam: the email address t= hat I used only for the LF-reflector has been swamped in the past years by = mails from people from foreign countries offering a lot of money if I assis= t them to transfer money of numerous people who suddenly and sadly passed a= way. I am glad to get rid of those spams as well now and gladly take into a= ccount some advertisements on the Yahoo group.

73

Geri, DK8KW= & DI2BO

On 03.06.2012, at 10:37, pws <pws@legal-medicine.de> wro= te:

> To John, G3WKL,
>
> Please do NOT shut down th= is reflector.
>
> 1. It's active in positive sense.
> > 2. There are too many hams here who say
> "no thanks!" to that= advertisement driven
> Brave New World were each posting will be
= > "googleable" for ever. Me too.
>
> That's the reason I un= subscribed from
> some Yapoo-Groups recently.
>
> 73 Pet= er, df3lp
>



---176341844-1092700409-1338719720=:38541-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4D5EE38000095; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgfQK-0000tJ-Oc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:07:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgfQK-0000tA-Ai for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:07:32 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s5.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.16]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgfQH-0005vB-ST for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:07:31 +0100 Received: from BLU163-W46 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s5.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:07:28 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.109.102.87] From: Gary G4WGT To: LF Group , RSGB Yahoo Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:07:27 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2012 17:07:28.0020 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6E09540:01CD4D74] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, LF, So....was this you last night....found in my saved captures today. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15990181/477-479-1206172330.jpg [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.16 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 896f9ee4f10c5db37812c155e804756d Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cd2a5d51-d5da-4768-9143-58fb13a62e90_" Subject: RE: LF: Now again on 477.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494585984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fdf61011a5f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_cd2a5d51-d5da-4768-9143-58fb13a62e90_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan=2C LF=2C =20 So....was this you last night....found in my saved captures today. =20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15990181/477-479-1206172330.jpg =20 73=2C =20 Gary - G4WGT. > Date: Mon=2C 18 Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200 > From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Now again on 477.5 >=20 > MF=2C >=20 > Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy=20 > exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again=2C=20 > listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else=20 > wants to try. >=20 > Best 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC >=20 = --_cd2a5d51-d5da-4768-9143-58fb13a62e90_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan=2C LF=2C

So....was this you last night....found in my sav= ed captures today.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15990181/477-= 479-1206172330.jpg

73=2C

Gary - G4WGT.

&n= bsp=3B
>=3B Date: Mon=2C 18= Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200
>=3B From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg= .de
>=3B To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=3B Subject: LF: Now a= gain on 477.5
>=3B
>=3B MF=2C
>=3B
>=3B Sri for the "= trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy
>=3B exciting f= or me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again=2C
>=3B listenin= g and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else
>=3B w= ants to try.
>=3B
>=3B Best 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC
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= --_cd2a5d51-d5da-4768-9143-58fb13a62e90_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 87FAC38000089; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Samkx-0006BW-Th for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:44:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Samkx-0006BN-CL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:44:31 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.tiscali.co.uk ([212.74.100.53] helo=mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Samkv-000581-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:44:30 +0100 X-Trace: 777373434/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.102.87/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.102.87 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIWAMD7yU9YbWZX/2dsb2JhbABFhU6HU5EqA4xrhzwDgSOBCIIZAQUIGzMCLAUFAwMDAQIbIQICMwYeBhsJh36kbZISjCKBaYIEMmADmliKOYJh X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,702,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="777373434" Received: from 88-109-102-87.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO GaryPC) ([88.109.102.87]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 02 Jun 2012 12:44:28 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gary G4WGT" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FC9F97F.6060806@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FC9F97F.6060806@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:44:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Albert, It is Opera beacon (500kHz Op4). 73, Gary - G4WGT.  Albert, [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.74.100.53 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4wgt[at]tiscali.co.uk) -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD40BD.72BD0800" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:334570272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fc9fcd84749 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD40BD.72BD0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Albert, It is Opera beacon (500kHz Op4). 73, Gary - G4WGT. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD40BD.72BD0800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Albert,
 
It is Opera beacon (500kHz Op4).
 
73, Gary - G4WGT.
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD40BD.72BD0800-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1ED79380000EF; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjwIM-0002Re-IZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:44:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjwIL-0002RV-Vp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:44:49 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjwIK-0006EE-84 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:44:48 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhQFAIxF609Ok8wX/2dsb2JhbABFoE4DlVyBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDBA0EAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd+uV+LN4JugxwDiBeFNpdogl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,485,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="543263585" Received: from host-78-147-204-23.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.204.23]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2012 18:44:46 +0100 Message-ID: <007801cd548c$884a2e90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:44:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Niels We have worked many times before but thought u would like a QSO qsx on the new band I can hear u daytime as well as nite 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Niels Rask To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:59 AM Subject: LF: Re: oz7foc [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 85c54099682e8e65d9e25bf804a68673 Subject: LF: Re: Re: oz7foc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD548C.881A9310" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:483052384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4feb46df62b5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD548C.881A9310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Niels We have worked many times before but thought u would like a QSO qsx on = the new band I can hear u daytime as well as nite 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Niels Rask=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:59 AM Subject: LF: Re: oz7foc mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 rx on 472,5 and 502 de oz7foc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: LF: oz7foc I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on this = band I can hear ur CQ on 472.5=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD548C.881A9310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Niels
We have worked many times before but thought u = would like=20 a QSO qsx on the new band
I can hear u daytime as well as = nite
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Niels Rask =
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 = 5:59=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: oz7foc

mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 rx = on 472,5 and=20 502 de oz7foc
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 7:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: oz7foc

I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem = to be=20 listening on this band
I can hear ur CQ on 472.5
 
 
de mal/g3kev
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: That means, for a MF dipole test i would start to try to lay it > on the ground. If this works with reasonable efficiency, so that a QSO > is possible, it would be a simple solution for a quick /p MF antenna > that can find its place in a back pack! > [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.193 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.6 HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM Envelope sender username looks random 0.0 T_HTML_ATTACH BODY: HTML attachment to bypass scanning? 0.4 HTML_COMMENT_SAVED_URL BODY: HTML message is a saved web page 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 3ecbf20a510e9846bb1bdaf7e0334c65 Subject: LF: Re: MF dipole Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD5709.090BE8B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, HTML_COMMENT_SAVED_URL,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81862 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:456680416:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m283.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564fef64b8730b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD5709.090BE8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That means, for a MF dipole test i would start to try to lay it > on the ground. If this works with reasonable efficiency, so that a QSO > is possible, it would be a simple solution for a quick /p MF antenna > that can find its place in a back pack! > Like K3MT's Grasswire antenna?. 73 Robert ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD5709.090BE8B0 Content-Type: text/html; name="K3MT's Grasswire antenna.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="K3MT's Grasswire antenna.htm" K3MT's "Grasswire" antenna
K3MT
presents . .=20 .

The GRASSWIRE
another approach to hidden HF antennas

April, 1997

Deed restrictions got you down? Neighbors intimidating your tower = plans?=20 Need a really easy portable HF antenna? Then the grasswire = may be=20 the answer! Virtually invisible, lightweight, and compact (you can carry = one in=20 your hip pocket), this antenna works! It has been used by K3MT in = various=20 installations for more than 10 years.

Read on - and listen to the "experts" telling you that this is = hogwash, that=20 an antenna like this can't work. But it does. And true experts, = who have=20 taken a decade or more to come to grips with the intricasies of = Maxwell's Math,=20 know why it works.

This antenna will not out-perform a yagi, or a decent dipole = up a half=20 wavelength. Not in gain or signal strength, at least. But it will = survive an ice=20 storm, wind storm, and is practically immune to lightning. And it = doesn't need a=20 large tower or tall support. I deploy one from my hip pocket at times - = the=20 balun to match it is larger than the antenna!

THE GRASSWIRE - IN BRIEF

What is it? Put simply, it is an end-fed, longwire antenna = that is=20 laid right on the grass. Hence the name. The original grasswire used by = K3MT in=20 the summer of 1988 was just 204' of #18 AWG magnet wire laid along the = property=20 line, anywhere from 1" to 6" above the ground. This sketch shows plan = and=20 elevation views of a typical installation. Both an 8' ground rod and = optional=20 counterpoise wires are shown. Use one or the other. Both are not needed. =

3D"grasswire

These antennas are largely resistive, with values ranging from 150 to = 500=20 ohms or so on average ground. They have been used successfully on the = average=20 soils northwest of Washington, DC, on the sandy soils of the Cape = Canaveral,=20 Florida area, in the rocky, shale soils of the mountains in Somerset = county, PA,=20 and on river bottomland of Allegheny County, PA. One was used with great = success=20 by K3MT/VP9 in Southampton, Bermuda - the object of nightly pileups on = 30 m CW=20 for four nights.

REFLECTION AND THE BREWSTER ANGLE

The skeptic in you will doubt that such low antennas can work. After = all, its=20 image in the ground radiates and cancels out all radiation. True - if = the ground=20 is perfect. But nothing is perfect! The grasswire radiates vertically = polarized off the end of the wire. Extensive monitoring tests = with=20 wires laid along the great circle route toward WWV, and perpendicular to = that=20 line, demonstrate the end-fire nature of the antenna. So why does it = work?=20

When a plane wave reflects from an air-earth boundary, an incoming = ray=20 reflects, giving an outgoing ray. These two, and the line normal to the = boundary=20 plane, form a plane of incidence. Solutions of Maxwell's = equations differ=20 for the case of the E-field being perpendicular to this plane (i.e.,=20 horizontally polarized), and the case when the E-field vector is = in the=20 plane of incidence. You will probably call the latter "vertical" = polarization,=20 although this is technically not correct. Electromagneticists (a.k.a = those who=20 practice Electromagical effects) refer to these cases as normal = incidence=20 (horizontal polarization) and planar incidence (vertical = polarization.)

For the normal incidence case, reflection is nearly total, with a = nearly 180=20 degree phase reversal. Thus very low antennas neither respond to, nor = generate,=20 appreciable amounts of horizontally polarized radiation. But for the = planar=20 incidence case, the reflection varies in strength considerably. At some=20 takeoff angle (angle between outgoing ray and the ground) the = reflection=20 becomes quite weak, and has a 90 degree phase shift. Near this angle, = the sum of=20 direct and reflected rays will have a magnitude as if the antenna were = in free=20 space! Of course, at other angles, ground reflection largely cancels the = direct=20 ray, and the antenna does not radiate well at all.

A reflection coefficient is calculated as the ratio of the = electric=20 field in the incoming ray to the electric field in the reflected ray. It = varies=20 from one (total reflection without loss) to zero (no reflection at all.) = It=20 depends on the takeoff angle, frequency, and the soil parameters = (dielectric=20 constant and conductivity.) Here are plots of planar incident (vertical=20 polarization) reflection for typical "good" and "poor" soils.

3D"reflection,

3D"reflection,

Notice that, at 10 to 25 degrees, the ground reflection is very weak. = It also=20 is shifted 90 degrees in phase from the incident ray. Therefore, = radiation from=20 the grasswire, off the ends will be about the same as if the ground were = not=20 present.

But launching a ray at, say, 15 to 20 degrees takeoff angle, in a = direction=20 toward Europe, can be useful! That's what a grasswire does. It is lossy = in all=20 directions, but least lossy when exciting the ionosphere for a long-haul = DX=20 contact. To demonstrate the point, here's an extract of K3MT's log, for = October=20 of 1988, (ahh, glory! Yes, the SSN was good then!) using a grasswire: = 

Date    GMT     CALL    his/my RST    FREQ    Power

OCTOBER

27      1554   SM6DYK    579 / 559   28004     80
        1601   SM0LBR    569 / 439   21007    100     RAY - STOCKHOLM
        2001   W4JBQ     579 / 569    7029     40     JOE - FT WRIGHT, =
KY
        2141   W8LNJ     579 / 459   28015     80     DAVE - DALLAS, TX
28      0227   W8AO      589 / 569    3547     15     BOB - SILVER LAKE, =
OH
        1720   G3RFE     579 / 559   21016    100     TOM - BARROW
        1932   G0CBW     569 / 559   14029     50     MEL
        1945   VE2FOU    589 / 559    7032    100     ANDRE - IBERVILLE
        2026   KB7UX     569 / 539   21040    100     RUSS - CHINO =
VALLEY, AZ
        2100   I2JIN     589 / 559   14022     40     BOB - COMO
        2123   G3JVC     569 / 559   14022     40     JOHN - LONDON
29      2105   WA200JXT  599 / 599   28015     80     ND
Not bad, for a wire on the ground. Notice that contacts were made = on 80,=20 40, 20, 15, and 10 meters. The signal reports are not fantastic. But = contacts=20 were made, and ham radio was enjoyed! Five countries were worked in 3 = days. And=20 the best part of this setup: the neighbors never knew that a ham = station was=20 on the air!

FEEDING THE GRASSWIRE

Since this antenna is largely resistive, a simple trifilar = balun is=20 all that I have ever had to use. This sketch shows how to make a balun = that=20 works:

3Dbalun

Typically I pull the insulation off of some indoor telephone wiring = cable.=20 Four insulated #22 copper wires are inside: discard one of these and use = the=20 remaining three. Wind about 16 turns on the core, without allowing the = wire to=20 twist (keep the three conductors parallel at all times.)=20

Notice that this "balun" really matches an unbalanced antenna to an=20 unbalanced transmission line. It is basically a wide-band, three-winding = autotransformer. Impedance ratios are as shown on the drawing. Generally = it is=20 necessary to connect the coax to either A2/B1 or B2/C1, and the antenna = to B2/C1=20 or to C2. This may change from one band to another, and usually does.

WINDOM IN THE GRASS

I have elsewhere described a windom = antenna. While=20 it is usually hung from a pole or in a tree, it works when used in a = "grasswire"=20 mode. Just lay it on the ground. Dimensions are repeated here for ready=20 reference.

3D"ground-mounted

When I travel, I take one of these made of #22 insulated hookup wire. = Since I=20 often set up beside motel parking lots, and often after a day's work, = the longer=20 wire is black, and the shorter one is red. This helps me determine which = way to=20 point the windom. Remember, though, that it fires off the long = end. Of=20 course, it fires the other way, too, but usually works best off the long = end.

I hope this has given some of you a good case of curiosity. Go out = and try=20 one of these ground - mounted wires. They're easy to build. Even the = balun is=20 easy to build.

If you must, contact us: we can supply a core, a whole balun, or a = whole=20 grasswire windom setup.

For more unusual antennas, visit my web page.

And check out my Books for a = dozen=20 topics about HF antennas.
that includes the grasswire and other = beverage=20 antennas.=20

73

K3MT

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD5709.090BE8B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E83FC38000091; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Se6ac-0006Jx-8a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:31:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Se6ab-0006Jo-O3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:31:33 +0100 Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.39]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Se6aZ-00049z-RU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:31:32 +0100 Received: from mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.6]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5BFVQe1030062 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:31:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host-92-6-242-34.as43234.net [92.6.242.34]) by mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 70059E000149 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:31:25 -0400 (EDT) From: pat To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <006601cd473d$d4da5cf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <004201cd4730$cc020860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57131D54FA1241D8BBE53212C31F7BF0@Shack> <006601cd473d$d4da5cf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:35:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1339428953.3961.1.camel@g4gvw-high-grade> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1339428686; bh=oUAhs2OMIU4cWLSGAzKyMIZh2k2FzkUIkdy27tZv0Pk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=nwb1Kq03/x9jxOmsYljeZzyEK1ZpOGR9b+R/0TsPoRE7xQa5zi0DrZeTgPOpt9Qev rqtROyIJqqSYgSWH0497LbwRlSAl1EXDMP63oT0aAb+i9rIYiRYPPpa/yoPV1dICZB Smpt6h5RE/dJBNgoM85W81Y8lBK2+cRDpugD5FCk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:469286560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Seems about par for the course typical turnout for an election innit? On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 19:18 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: > Ok Tony > But two thirds of the members did not vote, > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:15 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Votes > > > 70% Yahoo > 10% Black Sheep > 19% Continue with both > > No idea who the other 1% is ;-) > > Tony, EI8JK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM > Subject: LF: Votes > > > Well > Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out > of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look > convincing that Yahoo was the way to go. > g3kev > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.206.39 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4gvw[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1708620d3ce65bee0beaaede7929769a Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Votes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484279072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m023.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fd60fb06b95 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Seems about par for the course typical turnout for an election innit? On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 19:18 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: > Ok Tony > But two thirds of the members did not vote, > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:15 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Votes > > > 70% Yahoo > 10% Black Sheep > 19% Continue with both > > No idea who the other 1% is ;-) > > Tony, EI8JK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM > Subject: LF: Votes > > > Well > Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out > of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look > convincing that Yahoo was the way to go. > g3kev > -- 73 es gd dx de Pat G4GVW, Nr Felixstowe, East Coast, UK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A708B3800009C; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShUJx-0005jw-6g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:28:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShUJw-0005jn-NX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:28:20 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShUJu-0007iV-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:28:19 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.21.82]) by mwinf5d07 with ME id QnUJ1j0021mFXqS03nUJCy; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:28:18 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE10B61.7060202@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE116B4.4080401@kpnmail.nl> <4FE25A8B.6000403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE25A8B.6000403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:28:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120620-1, 20/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes just a wall of noise , now can see why Digital comms are popular on 500 ! G. . From: "Stefan Schäfer" Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:19 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Test signal needed, observations... [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: ead411ce91f9601ce3974c7575797436 Subject: Re: LF: Test signal needed, observations... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448228480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fe25cc24898 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes just a wall of noise , now can see why Digital comms are popular on 500 ! G. . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:19 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Test signal needed, observations... > Jan, Rik, MF, > > I have made some measurements and observations: > > When using the active E field antenna while having the transmit antenna in > resonance, the signal levels are 10 dB higher then with a de-resonated > antenna. So there is definitely a coupling between then. HOWEVER the S/N > is much better when the transmit antenna is out of resonance. This can > clearly be heared because i'm using a medium fast AGC now (USR file of my > last mail), so the lower audio levels become compensated. But the QRN is > very clearly louder than the background noise. So there is a receive > improvement (in this location) when the transmit antenna is out of > resonance! Now, the higher local QRM could be produced in the first amp > stage of the active antenna or is could come from the transmit antenna > itselfe. So i have connected the receiver to the transmit antenna and used > a switchable attenuator in series and set about to the same signal level. > The RX and netbook was running on batteries during the test. When > comparing these results (small active E field antenna versus large > transmit antenna) the S/N (e.g. of IQ2MI) of the small antenna is clearly > higher! In other words, the MF earth seems to be contaminated by QRM! > > That means my receive sensitivity is another important step better than a > few days ago... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 20.06.2012 02:17, schrieb pa3abk: >> Stefan, >> >> Just be sure that the TX antenna is not coupled to the E-probe. ( De-tune >> the system when you check it) >> I'm mostly listening on my TX antenna, the E-probe is only a few meters >> away. These two interact in such that the E-probe is just a bufferamp of >> the main aerial. >> >> To give you an idea how heavy this is: With a portable (AWP20 AKAI) I >> can enjoy MF in the toilet and bathroom providing the radio is near the >> waterworks and TX aerial is tuned. >> >> IQ2MI is "good" beacon, just before sunset it manifest itself here and >> build up to S-6 during midnight. During the winter you can enjoy it the >> whole day. >> I >> FYI sometimes during clubevenings (Tuesdays?) it comes "live" with CQ. >> But assume they will not listen on 477 :-( >> >> Checked Meteox, during our QSO a heavy thunderstorm was over your QTH, it >> moved away and lost a lot of it's activity. >> Just to advise you that you shouldn't misinterpret your observations. >> >> Jan/pa3abk >> >> >> NNNN >> >> >> On 20-6-2012 1:29, Stefan Schfer wrote: >>> MF, >>> >>> I took the QRSS/CW beacon signal from IQ2MI as the test signal. It was >>> very well audible here, R5. It was interesting to see the deep QSB. >>> Both, my small active antenna and the transmit antenna show the same S/N >>> but maybe it would be useful to use a antenna switch to compare the S/N >>> without having a time delay (changing the antenna cables), due to the >>> QSB... >>> >>> 73s.. >>> >>> Am 20.06.2012 00:44, schrieb Stefan Schfer: >>>> Rik, MF, >>>> >>>> Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much >>>> better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. >>>> Maybe you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? >>>> >>>> It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that >>>> many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops >>>> that were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. >>>> >>>> I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test >>>> signals from amateurs. >>>> >>>> 73, Stefan >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 89A3F380000B2; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SavUO-0001mX-Dh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:04:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SavUN-0001mO-I5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:03:59 +0100 Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SavUL-0007FR-R6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:03:58 +0100 Received: by bkty5 with SMTP id y5so6125058bkt.16 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:03:56 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=v1FgBiL6CC9je9akbS5EYxTON3TPkjo4DY3Bz1m1Dwg=; b=vn2LthidTB9rrsDJAINf4TX9+At9jcurd5V+VI8sExKyW+AEBg/RTFdVc8EWUFshTp RxhVWjIMl+r4D8YMg92hoN3NT1c8RnB8ImDctTPf1Tk4CjEXkjL2HSDAa67qvYkAcmgt NauuhEzn73sF2Z+JTWChW+y2TSKI2AidEqrR6QBOUKlzFlr8lq6G12TDe0AI1ZVviGJs lmU/cJqjWupEwk46smiyCqbP7bJkfJbjBI5Etgh76U8DOoiAf2+gpOQU0cu8o+GZjpmv 95OsqWbhTNEpHrtoXA/yIda3z3gHEIPvCmE4bUXkliBVGcjgqnmIaiBaxrP+ZKrhB/g1 kYiA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.134.1 with SMTP id ia1mr4160055bkc.77.1338671036188; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.64.78 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:03:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCA6376.4030702@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA6376.4030702@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:03:56 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PN-YcwChRuYvKcxDNmo2Qu9sOUg Message-ID: From: PA7EY To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, It was indeed your beacon that pulled me over to LF. It's a lot of fun and very interesting, as is reading the messages on the LF-reflector. (working on getting active on LF, but first priority is improving the reception of signals) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (ulrich.idzes[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d7907c3bf895ca41e0bedc3fa074f0d4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:417817312:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d239.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844fca80240ec2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, It was indeed your beacon that pulled me over to LF. It's a lot of fun and very interesting, as is reading the messages on the LF-reflector. (working on getting active on LF, but first priority is improving the reception of signals) vy 73, Ulrich, PA7EY 2012/6/2 Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Hi Ulrich, > > Very nice to meet you here! I already saw you on the pskmap in the web. H= ave > you been catched by the NL LF amateurs? :-) Some weeks i reported about o= ur > email contacts due to my CW beacon on 137 kHz. You reported that you saw = a > hit in the DX cluster about the CW beacon. > I would be glad if it was the beacon that moved you to LF as a newcomer := -) > Or did i misunderstand something? > > Vy 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > PS: Tnx for infos > > Am 02.06.2012 19:55, schrieb PA7EY: >> >> Stefan, >> >> According to the screenshot, it should be rts or dtr. Didn't try myself >> yet. >> >> As far as I know 1.4.1 is still the most recent one. Not sure about >> cpu, but on my several years old P4 2.8 GHz its no problem at all, cpu >> about 30%. >> >> 73, Ulrich >> >> 2012/6/2 Stefan Sch=E4fer: >> >>> >>> PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX >>> line >>> (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? >>> >>> 73, Stefan >>> >>> Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >>> >>>> >>>> G.., LF, >>>> >>>> What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? >>>> What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? >>>> >>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>> >>> >>> >>> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D192138000092; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuXD-0004HI-2t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:51:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuXC-0004H9-MD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:51:22 +0100 Received: from mailout04.t-online.de ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeuXB-0005vR-2z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:51:21 +0100 Received: from fwd07.aul.t-online.de (fwd07.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1SeuXA-0001Ls-B2; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:51:20 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (GEB2NsZGohcz90OSWkoIOGo1HLYsfMr4bIyFw1PzWfVxs5-VHl2eKMx1CJUozFIZ+N@[84.147.170.77]) by fwd07.t-online.de with esmtp id 1SeuX7-1F14HA0; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:51:17 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> <002701cd49a0$0b38cfc0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <4FD8F8E8.8050000@xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:51:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: GEB2NsZGohcz90OSWkoIOGo1HLYsfMr4bIyFw1PzWfVxs5-VHl2eKMx1CJUozFIZ+N X-TOI-MSGID: 18849530-fb77-443e-8f9d-c85f7b573679 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx Albert for info. Nw CQ on 472.5KHz, seems to be free here. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.18 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 0b2d339ae1d48966556dfb6ad64e2bce Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:409349824:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fd8fd8a1bb4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Tnx Albert for info. Nw CQ on 472.5KHz, seems to be free here. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz > Walter, > > The carrier of the beacon BIA is on 474 kHz (AM 1kHz) the side bands are > on 473 en 475 kHz. > > Albert PA0A > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A97A138000089; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShPkA-0003w8-55 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:35:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShPk9-0003vz-Nm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:35:05 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShPk8-0005XO-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:35:04 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.197] (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.14.177]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MHYWy-1Skib43jxc-003K2y; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:35:03 +0200 References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> From: Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <89E2A86B-68F6-4FEF-B0D2-85147A742918@dk8kw.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:34:52 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:4JI7xbToHeUaJhVZHet/mCQy4ipwH4gnWMetMO6Zjqq P8ESGZUWFXVdBi7E4uiIRM5eO9/MCfvB9NldLkHmt7BnQHaphW 0fkQykr6Wf1DNLzfXquGEjuW8wrh5WR2tHKyCZzpc82O/1Boki ESHK9k6pedWJ+vW19uifWcJ3O7oU9crTKl/eFJ6n+3rp1y6CyJ U288NjJZSj5bJLkIPDi5qyJHrzynOzBPKhoJ0KALep7f8a/RYK hMwMFzcOBRKBd9JAWwa+6OzqDO4E9qiNo/B7CEjGbyz2usPcgb A8O+GNAFsDS07jkTuJZk9xLH8SUtOT+hp+R9T4Jmjch+RCvsP9 KJACESPu79Utlg5PUL484UG2S4Y6hvfgR1xvggHjY X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Horst, On 20.06.2012, at 09:54, "Horst Stöcker" wrote: > Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012? 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I got this information also by the BNetzA. What wa= s the maximum power in WRC2012? WRC2012 allocation: 1 Watt EIRP or under speciai conditions: up to 5 Watt EI= RP. Today we got 1 Watt ERP =3D 1.64 Watt EIRP, which is already 1/3 of the maxi= mum permissible. With 100 Watt TX out, 2 Amperes antenna current and and 17m Umbrella antenna= I got a measured ERP of 0.4 Watt (=3D0.7 Watt EIRP).=20 I can't see any reason to complain. Vy 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO --Apple-Mail-B3CA21D0-2BC1-4DDC-B8BD-E915392CBFC7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Hello Horst,

On 20.06.2012, at 09:54, "Horst St=C3=B6ck= er" <horst.stoecker@web.de&g= t; wrote:

Just 1W ERP - this will be al= so the maximum power after the full implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got= this information also by the BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012?=

WRC2012 allocation: 1 Watt EIRP or u= nder speciai conditions: up to 5 Watt EIRP.

Today w= e got 1 Watt ERP =3D 1.64 Watt EIRP, which is already 1/3 of the maximum per= missible.

With 100 Watt TX out, 2 Amperes antenna c= urrent and and 17m Umbrella antenna I got a measured ERP of 0.4 Watt (=3D0.7= Watt EIRP). 

I can't see any reason to compla= in.


Vy 73

G= eri, DK8KW & DI2BO

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear John, LF Groups, > I have been trying to measure the resistance and reactance of various > resistors at this frequency and have had difficulty getting a good > resistive balance.... > ...The bridge is a GR1606A... > ...For resistances of the order of 100 ohms and higher I do not seem to > have a problem. For resistances of the order of 10 ohms I do not seem able > to get a decent balance. [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.218 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Measuring small values of resistance and reactance at 137 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443509632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m018.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164fcd0bcc39ae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear John, LF Groups, > I have been trying to measure the resistance and reactance of various > resistors at this frequency and have had difficulty getting a good > resistive balance.... > ...The bridge is a GR1606A... > ...For resistances of the order of 100 ohms and higher I do not seem to > have a problem. For resistances of the order of 10 ohms I do not seem able > to get a decent balance. I found the manual and schematic for this bridge at http://www.k7jrl.com/pub/manuals/gr/1606/GR%201606-A%20RF%20Bridge.pdf. Looking at the circuit, the "Unknown" arm of the bridge consists of the impedance being measured plus a 390 ohm resistor, 220pF "initial balance" variable capacitor and 220pF "reactance" capacitor all in series. Assuming these capacitors are near mid-range when balancing your 10ohm resistor, the reactance of the resulting 55pF series capacitance at 137kHz is about 21 kohms. So the reactive component of the unknown arm impedance is about 2000 times larger than the resistive component, and the null will be correspondingly about 2000 times more sensitive to a fractional change in capacitance as it is to a fractional change in resistance. This all means that, in order to get a sharp null when adjusting the resistance control, you will also need to adjust the reactance control very precisely, and you will need to get the null depth down to say 80dB or more to get a good resistance reading. I doubt it is possible to adjust the reactance control that precisely - it will go out of balance if you give it as much as a funny look! If you are measuring 100 ohms, the problem is made 10 times easier, of course. A related problem is that the resistive component measurement will be very sensitive to dielectric losses in the capacitors, which have very high impedances at low frequencies - this will lead to frequency-dependent errors that become larger as the frequency decreases. I guess that, excellent though bridges of this sort are, their makers had to optimise the design for the particular range of frequencies and impedances they thought their customers would most like to use it for. The GR1606A seems to be aimed mainly at the MF/HF range, so I suppose compromises must be accepted at LF. If you just want to measure resistance, you might be better off adapting a simple "noise bridge" circuit as often appears in the amateur handbooks, provided the parasitic reactance of your resistors is fairly small. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D10773800009D; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShpNw-00028G-Fn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:57:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShpNv-000287-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:57:51 +0100 Received: from nm22-vm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.109.224]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShpNr-0004ij-9Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:57:50 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.49] by nm22.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 21:57:46 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 21:57:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2012 21:57:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 221044.21416.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 58672 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2012 21:57:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=x9y7/Ztswt6GYmKdT1dye/ZWfqSdhuq4lnDRRz/dAudDyZVAOQ5XXzONqnHBh33VqsPy2+ROsIWs94um04DrrvrG24Ng32gEu9B5DrH0NXZrmRJmY+wLwoiGxFbSGjiJzASty0GdWhzdPf5bWTnPGZpNho+bgIr9svz/yyFs4P4= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1340315866; bh=Q9UCLuJmkR8458nXgo1H3G/6lluWJCdAHNfVkUvzt/w=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=Chg3PlYFqStvqU/6ZdExJSkTXwitqIotE4lrDbnpMRS6z/OxNoncr9RgAUm0R11vVEsVsMUxqzzTvw1Y3b8Kzwet6jvEPqu5ra/Nnx34PV6IYwOKyAzsoV57yw2mFug8WLJi/6d7B0gE54Z/VQBzws8aUb2avOBc049+zx4ZQ2A= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 7thfaIQVM1n5HmxCk_6basjNjXBqPtvzUyPO5.Slhy4F4Jm PSdxLXoHgjyBoPxRwnXjPTycjP0O0ZEemHTumxglc5amgwc3J414jOgnJI9U A2CbN6sSsOKwlpc30y6f3Lih8UZ4HJc8O01CmCNjL1IznafaKlNtz1ftRJkp IPaKGij1XOjc22nZX69r7hu6Yt1J26tii7csKWxSrdE3Xg4rMUeGiXZyTqE7 ADLIWA2wnX_jBT79sARwTxtCSrAoJe8hcW2A9OMoKrin1wqnea3L6sfzGEou VpOlesJQ97HAG1i5Wg6pvkY83llPP5lnyaOfttUKT3MUeAJCpDA44.UPmvhl _i_.YAjJ1ZEWfiME3ryXix9PR2CWJlmN9vHxPpAqKyeioYApLBJeu6jTHRG3 Tq7NptXvR0Lmv0exsk3MoAMf1 X-Yahoo-SMTP: fpz.2VeswBBs59bVshRPmMN51lcO2lgFRIvE4XTqE8dRwOxd70E- Received: from gnat (alan.melia@109.145.215.32 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2012 21:57:45 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <5D772617FCC94283913EDABE7CB175FE@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> <6FDC0CECCC3645EB922AF21E66965518@AGB> <90E09B502D3D481992365586D42423DA@AGB> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:57:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120621-1, 21/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham, without measuring it I would not be sure. It is no good trying to simulate this because these factors are not included in the models. I think putting wies under one another is like folding the plate of a cap back on itself. The total capacitance doesnt increase. Think of the top-wire geometry as a skeleton (wire frame) of a parallel plate capaitor with the other plate being ground (radials, ground wires, whatever). My feeling based on my (and 136 friends) experiments suggest that any drooping of the top will reduce the radiation resistance. Whether this exceeds the effect of the increased capacitance is not possible to esttimate. If you try it, and measure it, I would be very interested in the results (never mind the theories.....show me the measurements :-)) ) We only learn when somebody tries something......Mike's top-loads, and Laurie's top capacity being great examples of structures that did not, for a variety of reasons, show any advantage in theoretical efficiency calculations. 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Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C7_01CD5001.3C078E90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81644 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430728768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d306.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fe399184ab9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01CD5001.3C078E90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00C8_01CD5001.3C078E90" ------=_NextPart_001_00C8_01CD5001.3C078E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham, without measuring it I would not be sure. It is no good = trying to simulate this because these factors are not included in the = models. I think putting wies under one another is like folding the plate = of a cap back on itself. The total capacitance doesnt increase. Think of = the top-wire geometry as a skeleton (wire frame) of a parallel plate = capaitor with the other plate being ground (radials, ground wires, = whatever). My feeling based on my (and 136 friends) experiments suggest = that any drooping of the top will reduce the radiation resistance. = Whether this exceeds the effect of the increased capacitance is not = possible to esttimate. If you try it, and measure it, I would be very = interested in the results (never mind the theories.....show me the = measurements :-)) ) We only learn when somebody tries = something......Mike's top-loads, and Laurie's top capacity being great = examples of structures that did not, for a variety of reasons, show any = advantage in theoretical efficiency calculations.=20 There is little professional work, I know of, that could give = guidance.......the professionals don't (don't need!) use small aerials. = You cannot just "scale frequency" because many of the important factors = dont scale, or dont get included correctly in the scaling model. Alan.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:59 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? R Alan, Down to one of Mr Hobson's fine designs here , the under = slung wire , would be the simplest to arrange , say it ran 10 = ft above a 90 ft elevated ground radial , now would that xtra = C , increase the amp's in the vertical section , the other side = of the top coil ...? Other wise its ,just possible to run 90 deg about 20 feet , = 90 then down , at the far end =20 I tune using a swr meter , usually get a sharp dip with the = variometer , but I also have a old 1000 pf 4 gang clipped , = low over the auto transformer , that is handy , just takes the = final 'ref down and as its low , there is no flash over , bit = like a band-spread on a rx oscillator coil=20 Testing wise , luckily , I can reach the Delft web-sdr in the = day time , so can do s/n checks at range using ROS-MF-2 , = the s/n is the average along the time line , so quite accurate = Still raining =20 73 -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather here either :-(( The problem with unconventional "shapes" is you will have to just try = 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing ground loss as the most = effective use of time and effort. Best done by measurement, and not = urban myths :-)) Thats why I always plug a simple transformer coupled = bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges have never = worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also = like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-)) I feel = closer to the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, = even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I = learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" right. It is the classic = substitution measurement with passive references. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? R Alan. Horizontal spread ......missing at the moment ... will have = another look out side , when the rain stops , horizontal open = box may be possible ..just=20 Tnx -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter too much :-)) The thing is to get as much wire as high as possible. Yes fold it = back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 feet dont add much over a = single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce = the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly = the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) = will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to = increase the radiation resistance. Your diagram is difficult to read but running one of the wires = directly under another will be of no benefit and may be worse than not = having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at least = 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the idea. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: LF: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? 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Hi Graham, without measuring it I would = not be=20 sure. It is no good trying to simulate this because these factors are = not=20 included in the models. I think putting wies under one another is like = folding=20 the plate of a cap back on itself. The total capacitance doesnt=20 increase. Think of the top-wire geometry as a skeleton (wire frame) = of a=20 parallel plate capaitor with the other plate being ground (radials, = ground=20 wires, whatever). My feeling based on my (and 136 friends) experiments = suggest=20 that any drooping of the top will reduce the radiation resistance. = Whether this=20 exceeds the effect of the increased capacitance is not possible to=20 esttimate. If you try it, and measure it, I would be very interested in = the=20 results (never mind the theories.....show me the measurements  = :-)) =20 ) We only learn when somebody tries something......Mike's = top-loads, and=20 Laurie's top capacity being great examples of structures that did not, = for a=20 variety of reasons, show any advantage in theoretical efficiency=20 calculations.
 
There is little professional work, I = know of, that=20 could give guidance.......the professionals don't (don't need!) use = small=20 aerials. You cannot just "scale frequency" because many of the important = factors=20 dont scale, or dont get included correctly in the=20 scaling model.
 
Alan. 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 9:59=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top = wire=20 config - Best Option ??

R Alan,
 
Down to   one of  Mr  Hobson's   = fine =20 designs  here ,   the  under slung   = wire =20 , would  be the  simplest to  arrange ,   = say =20 it  ran  10  ft  above  a  90  = ft =20 elevated  ground  radial  , now would =20 that  xtra  C  , increase the  amp's  in = the  vertical  section  , the  other  = side  of=20 the  top  coil ...?
 
Other  wise  its ,just possible  to  = run  90=20 deg  about   20 feet  , 90  then  down , = at=20 the  far  end 
 
I tune using  a  swr meter  , usually  get = a =20 sharp  dip  with the  variometer  , but  = I =20 also  have a  old   1000  pf   4 = gang=20 clipped  , low over the  auto  transformer , that  = is=20 handy , just  takes  the  final 'ref   = down =20 and  as its  low , there  is  no  flash  = over ,=20 bit  like a  band-spread on a  rx oscillator  coil =
 
Testing  wise , luckily  , I can  reach the  = Delft=20 web-sdr   in the  day  time  , so  = can =20 do  s/n  checks  at  range using =20 ROS-MF-2    , the  s/n  is the =20 average  along  the  time  line , so  = quite =20 accurate 
 
Still  raining 
 
73 -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:59 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial = weather here=20 either :-((
The problem with unconventional = "shapes" is you=20 will have to just try 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing = ground=20 loss as the most effective use of time and effort. Best done by = measurement,=20 and not urban myths :-))  Thats why I always plug a simple=20 transformer coupled bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, = noise=20 bridges have never worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC = stations close=20 by. I also like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing"=20 :-))  I feel closer to the problem and able to employ some skill = and=20 maybe dexterity, even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a=20 VNA......at least I learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" = right. It is=20 the classic substitution measurement with passive = references.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 6:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L = Top wire=20 config - Best Option ??

R Alan.
 
Horizontal  spread  ......missing  at the  = moment=20 ...  will  have  another  look  out =20 side  , when the  rain  stops ,  = horizontal  =20 open  box may  be  possible ..just
 
Tnx -G..

From: Alan=20 Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham it basically doesnt = matter too=20 much  :-))
The thing is to get as much wire as = high as=20 possible. Yes fold it back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 = feet=20 dont add much over a single wire. Drop the end if you have to but = remember=20 this may reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will = increase slightly the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped = ends=20 they are high voltage points and may not be "family friendly"=20 ...... doubling the capacity to ground ( note ground....not = lossy=20 roofs/foliage underneath) will probably halve you ground losses. It = will do=20 very little to increase the radiation resistance.
 
Your diagram is difficult to read = but running=20 one of the wires directly under another will be of no benefit and = may be=20 worse than not having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, = so pull=20 it at least 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you = get the=20 idea.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, = 2012 4:17=20 PM
Subject: LF: InV L Top wire = config -=20 Best Option ??

InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best = Option=20 ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  = configuration  for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
Tnx -G,
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes its a good compromise and I never feel pain or distress when receiving mails from two sources personally. Eddie On 04/06/2012 08:40, Graham wrote: > Yes 'Flash' traffic only on the ref > > G. > > > From: "Clive Lorton" > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:04 AM > To: ; > Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep > >> Gentlemen, >> >> I’m beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. >> Blacksheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and >> Yahoo for technical discussion. That way daily QSO information will >> not be archived and design/construction projects can make full use of >> the search function and files section of Yahoo. >> >> Just my two pence worth…….. >> >> Clive g8poc > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5043 - Release Date: 06/03/12 > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc14a4fcc69395d82 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes its a good compromise and I never feel pain or distress when receiving mails from two sources personally. 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That way daily QSO information will >> not be archived and design/construction projects can make full use of >> the search function and files section of Yahoo. >> >> Just my two pence worth.. >> >> Clive g8poc > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5043 - Release Date: 06/03/12 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7756E380000A3; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdJXQ-000730-1X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:09:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdJXP-00072r-Cg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:08:59 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdJXN-00041q-Jr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:08:58 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q59B8uvu002630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:08:56 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q59B8usZ028903 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:08:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD32E6A.8070401@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 13:07:22 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8CF143C5B3655C1-205C-19555@webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CF143C5B3655C1-205C-19555@webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx to all for the ongoing reports. To avoid misunderstandings, the CW beacon is generated in Heidelberg from my normal antenna. Here in the fieldday camp ther is no place for an aerial (! :-) ) that can radiate such a signal. To many trees and no good earth is available. I'm just steering the TX via a wireless internet link to the grabber PC... Unfortunately the data rate is much lower now so i cannot stop the beacon, or don't want to risk problems when contacting the grabber PC. So i'm not in the situation to have a QSO unfortunately. I'll stop the beacon in the evening... No uploads any more to the temporary grabber page from here. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4e28719a46cd3d69582e1b8d1c614db3 Subject: Re: Re : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040103030208040406090307" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437623136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494fd32f0727cc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040103030208040406090307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q59B8uvu002630 Tnx to all for the ongoing reports. To avoid misunderstandings, the CW beacon is generated in Heidelberg=20 from my normal antenna. Here in the fieldday camp ther is no place for=20 an aerial (! :-) ) that can radiate such a signal. To many trees and no=20 good earth is available. I'm just steering the TX via a wireless=20 internet link to the grabber PC... Unfortunately the data rate is much lower now so i cannot stop the=20 beacon, or don't want to risk problems when contacting the grabber PC.=20 So i'm not in the situation to have a QSO unfortunately. I'll stop the=20 beacon in the evening... No uploads any more to the temporary grabber page from here. Anyway, congrats to the others who managed CW contacts today! Sounds=20 like an active weekend. And i'm looking forward to the new stations who=20 will appear soon on the band. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 09.06.2012 11:49, schrieb f4dtl@aol.com: > Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, attached my screen capture. > F4DTL Nicolas > > > -----E-mail d'origine----- > De : Lubos OK2BVG > A: _RSGB_LF > Envoy=C3=A9 le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39 > Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS > > Hello Stefan, LF! > I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N more=20 > than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-) > RST =3D 599 UFB > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS > --------------040103030208040406090307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q59B8uvu002630 Tnx to all for the ongoing reports.

To avoid misunderstandings, the CW beacon is generated in Heidelberg from my normal antenna. Here in the fieldday camp ther is no place for an aerial (! :-) ) that can radiate such a signal. To many trees and no good earth is available. I'm just steering the TX via a wireless internet link to the grabber PC...
Unfortunately the data rate is much lower now so i cannot stop the beacon, or don't want to risk problems when contacting the grabber PC. So i'm not in the situation to have a QSO unfortunately. I'll stop the beacon in the evening...
No uploads any more to the temporary grabber page from here.

Anyway, congrats to the others who managed CW contacts today! Sounds like an active weekend. And i'm looking forward to the new stations who will appear soon on the band.

73, Stefan/DK7FC
=C2=A0

Am 09.06.2012 11:49, schrieb f4dtl@aol.com:
Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, attached my screen capture.
=C2=A0=
F4DTL Nicolas<= /span>


-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
A: _RSGB_LF <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39
Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS

Hello Stefan, LF!
I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-)
RST =3D 599 UFB

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Oh Mal, You wrote: >... > Mk2 version already in service will appear soon > ... End of World is nigh. O.K., nice to meet you all and thanks for the fish! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.186 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 925300287489a1d7272e62b121c112aa Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427566240:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fd37a793275 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Oh Mal, You wrote: >... > Mk2 version already in service will appear soon > ... End of World is nigh. O.K., nice to meet you all and thanks for the fish! 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Content preview: On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote: > Well John > When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a > move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose > opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly > encouraging or democratic. > A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group > but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. > Come on Mal [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 14522a7d8bfffcae5e92e35059f18ae1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020400010600080202080008" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470219584:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61874fcb941f4db0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020400010600080202080008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote: > Well John > When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a > move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose > opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly > encouraging or democratic. > A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group > but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. > Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to lies. Eddie > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John Gould > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:04 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status > > Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - rather busy on > a number of other fronts. However, as I have looked in to post > the thing about the poll saw the comments below. > > What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can > you elaborate as I am not aware of this. > > In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange > the Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people > using the URL from one on the many published sources would be able > to find the group. > > I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be > saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on the same > basic topic. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris > wrote: > > Mal, I agree. > Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a > year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB > book 'LF Today' and probably many newcomers do the same. Also > there are probably links to this site from others which will > be around for years. > Vy 73 all, > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" > > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM > Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status > > > John > Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any > serious problems > with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small > attachments and > for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has > worked well this > has been pointed out by others. > I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except > I get more > adverts that I do not need. > Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not > permitted on Yahoo > de mal/g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pws" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM > Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status > > > To John, G3WKL, > > Please do NOT shut down this reflector. > > 1. It's active in positive sense. > > 2. There are too many hams here who say > "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven > Brave New World were each posting will be > "googleable" for ever. Me too. > > That's the reason I unsubscribed from > some Yapoo-Groups recently. > > 73 Peter, df3lp > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5042 - Release Date: 06/03/12 > --------------020400010600080202080008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his,  this is hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gould
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status

Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - rather busy on a number of other fronts.  However, as I have looked in to post the thing about the poll saw the comments below.  

What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can you elaborate as I am not aware of this.  

In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange the Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using the URL from one on the many published sources would be able to find the group.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on the same basic topic.

73 John, G3WKL

On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> wrote:
Mal, I agree.
Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a year or two at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF Today' and probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably links to this site from others which will be around for years.
Vy 73 all,
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status


John
Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious problems
with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small attachments and
for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked well this
has been pointed out by others.
I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get more
adverts that I do not need.
Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo
de mal/g3kev


----- Original Message -----
From: "pws" <pws@legal-medicine.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status


To John, G3WKL,

Please do NOT shut down this reflector.

1. It's active in positive sense.

2. There are too many hams here who say
"no thanks!" to that advertisement driven
Brave New World were each posting will be
"googleable" for ever. Me too.

That's the reason I unsubscribed from
some Yapoo-Groups recently.

73 Peter, df3lp






No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5042 - Release Date: 06/03/12


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Content preview: In case that's a little confusing , the original sketch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz2-ukrd2VQ From: "g3zjo" Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:31 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Ae!...and this day [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 77d68ebd44814a6def4d7158b7296e78 Subject: Re: LF: Ae!...and this day Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487726176:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fc7f9215021 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none In case that's a little confusing , the original sketch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz2-ukrd2VQ -------------------------------------------------- From: "g3zjo" Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:31 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Ae!...and this day > I must got to bed, just for a final final ..... here are Four Candles. > > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REPLACEMENT-HANDLE-SPADE-FORK-SHOVEL-SHAFT-REPAIR-/320738670875?pt=UK_Home_Garden_GardenEquipment_HandTools_SM&hash=item4aad83b91b > > Eddie > > On 31/05/2012 22:54, Stefan Schäfer wrote: >> Oh dear. I can't stop laughing! >> >> What a perfect day/evening: >> >> -Exchanged more than 50 mails on the reflector >> -Learned about the Current mode class D PA >> -Calling CQ on 137.7 (!) >> -Building a Class D PA for the coming MF band and got very good >> efficiency at once. >> -Perfect entertainment >> -Learned about the Hungarian Translation Book >> -Supported by a bit of Laphroaig Whiskey >> >> Will finish the day by: >> >> -Finishing the 4:1 f divider to drive the MF PA from a HF TRX arround >> 1900 kHz >> -Going to set up the PA for a overnight beacon transmission on 136.172 >> kHz, QRSS-60 >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> >> Am 31.05.2012 23:40, schrieb Graham: >>> Or for a better s/n >>> >>> http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/digital_ariel.htm >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "g3zjo" >>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:30 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: LF: Ae! >>> >>>> Stefan >>>> >>>> Make sure you spell it right, this is an ariel. >>>> >>>> http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQnrLFNatuXR7AMQYpG5BlXGhR25FCsu79eMpQz0xxeY-9zKKxjgw >>>> >>>> Eddie >>>> >>>> On 31/05/2012 21:00, Stefan Schäfer wrote: >>>>> Hmm, maybe someone from the UK can explain the difference between >>>>> aerial and antenna? Is there a difference? >>>>> >>>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5036 - Release Date: >>>>> 05/31/12 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5036 - Release Date: 05/31/12 >> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8D07238000076; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SerU6-000325-2J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:35:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SerU5-00031w-KJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:35:57 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SerU3-00057Z-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:35:56 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAKvD2E9Ok8Nf/2dsb2JhbABFn2YDlViBB4ITBQEBBQgBAQNLLAEBAwUCAQMECQQEAQEKJRQBBBocCAYTCgECAgEBh366GosxgnaDGwOIDoUyjVeKBoJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,405,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="375500891" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.95]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2012 18:35:54 +0100 Message-ID: <004801cd498a$f8aeeb60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:35:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Ok Walter If I am around at that time will certainly look out for you de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Staubach To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:29 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 7c7a1907d3a7d57b28660e5fb4c32107 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01CD498A.F86E8700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448048896:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b4fd8cfcc7ac2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CD498A.F86E8700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Walter If I am around at that time will certainly look out for you de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Walter Staubach=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:29 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz=20 Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 utc I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not yet ok. 73 Walter DJ2LF/DI2AG From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 khz=20 MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active = on this band. or=20 If you want a contact let me know I am active most days=20 de Mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CD498A.F86E8700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Walter
If I am around at that time will certainly look = out for=20 you
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Walter Staubach
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 = 3:29=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz

Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 = utc
I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not = yet=20 ok.
73  Walter = DJ2LF/DI2AG
 
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 4:25=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 khz

MF operators
I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for = German and=20 others active on this band.
or
If you want a contact let me = know
I am active most days
de Mal/g3kev
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Marco Beware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the dark side of ham radio publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T stick is probably a lower spec than that. But not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.70 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 9cafc73d135491d75f4f47d39ed43841 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-873925017-1340272951=:77171" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:412310784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d289.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fe2f16f569c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-873925017-1340272951=:77171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AHi Marco=0A=0ABeware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Func= ube is not cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the dark side of ham rad= io publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T stick is proba= bly a lower spec than that. But not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!!=0A=0A73 es GL = Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "Scholz= , Marco " =0ATo: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" =0ASent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 10:30=0ASubje= ct: RE: LF: SDR programs=0A =0A=0AHello Pete,=0AI bought a Funcube Dongle = (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it=E2=80=99s very impressive how this s= mall USB stick works.=0AI compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my conver= ter and could receive with the Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E = nearly with the same signal strength.=0ASDR program is SDR-Radio http://sdr= -radio.com/=0A=C2=A0=0Avy73=0AMarco, DD7PC=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom:owner-rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of= M0FMT=0ASent: 20 June 2012 20:40=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0ASubj= ect: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A=C2=A0=0AHi all =0ASave those precious Euros be= cause you don=E2=80=99t know how long they will be around. Try HDSDR with B= alint Seeber=E2=80=99s=C2=A0 BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using=C2=A0 ultra= -cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB stick. =0AT= hese DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK sour= ce and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc= the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1= or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with= DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna= . =0AOh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV station= s with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80= =99s not enough all your local FM BC as well.=C2=A0 Not a lot of people kno= w that!=0AURLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 =0Ahttps://www.cosycave.co.= uk/product.php?id_product=3D239=0Ahttp://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s= 6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/=0AYou won=E2=80=99t rea= d about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0)=0AYy 73=C2=A0 Pete M0fmt=0A= =C2=A0=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0AFrom:Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0ASent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A= =0AHi Piotr,=0A=0AThanks for the overview of programs. That's what i search= ed for.=0ABut maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR s= oftware is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono?=0AWell, i'm waiting for o= ne of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution i= n SpecLab i would prefer that i think...=0A=0ABest 73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A=0A> = Hi Stefan, LF=0A> =0A> i have SDR-IQ receiver from=C2=A0 RFSpace. The prima= ry supporting software for all their sdr=C2=A0 hardware is Spectravue.=0A> = you can download this program from the rfspace site:=0A> =0A> http://www.rf= space.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html=0A> =0A> i do recommend this program=C2= =A0 although it is sligthly difficult to get started.=0A> However,=C2=A0 on= ce you get familiar with it you will like it:)=0A> =0A> on a "support" page= of http://www.rfspace.com/=C2=A0 you will also find a link to sdr -radio:= =0A> =0A> http://www.sdr-radio.com/=0A> =0A>=C2=A0 they have a very powerfu= l radio console which looks like a regular transceiver front side=0A>=C2=A0= It has many many different options - of course, it does take time to learn= all of them but the basic setup is rather easy..=0A> =0A> i also recommend= =C2=A0 HDSDR software:=C2=A0 http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html=0A> very intuit= ive and easy to use.=0A> =0A> Well, there is a growing number of sdr softwa= re supporting=C2=A0 sdr hardware.=C2=A0 an example of such collection of sd= r programs you can find here:=0A> =0A> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqr= adio/soundcard_sdr_software=0A> =0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yours, P= iotr, SQ7MPJ=0A> =0A> qth: Lodz /jo91rs/=0A> =0A> ---357169082-873925017-1340272951=:77171 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H= i Marco
 
Beware vested interests we are talking c= heap here, Funcube is not cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the dark side of ham radio publishing. I= could say more but suffice to = say the DVB-T stick is probably a lower spe= c than that. But not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!!
 
73= es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "Scholz, Marco " <marco.scholz@citi.com= >
To: "'rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org'" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 10:30
= Subject: RE: LF: SDR prog= rams

Hello Pete,
I bought a Funcube Dongle (covers = 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it=E2=80=99s very impressive how this small USB= stick works.
I= compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive wit= h the Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the same sign= al strength.
S= DR program is SDR-Radio http://sdr-radio.com/
 
vy73
Marco, DD7PC
 
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 20 June 2012= 20:40
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF= : SDR programs
 
Hi all
Save those precious= Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they will be around. Try HDS= DR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using&nb= sp; ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with R= TL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.
These DV= B-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK source and = cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the ch= eap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or sim= ilar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to = UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.
Oh and gue= ss what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations with record f= acility and all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC = as well.  Not a lot of people know that!
URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80= =A6
=
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments= /s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6= =E2=80=A6. :0)
Yy 73  Pete M0fmt
=  
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:

Hi Piotr,

Thanks for the overview of programs= . That's what i searched for.
But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i = need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ in= puts. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono?
Well, i'm wa= iting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a= solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think...

Best 73, Stefan/= DK7FC

> Hi Stefan, LF
>
> i have SDR-IQ receiver fro= m  RFSpace. The primary supporting software for all their sdr  ha= rdware is Spectravue.
> you can download this program from the rfspac= e site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/= SVDownload.html
>
> i do recommend this program  alth= ough it is sligthly difficult to get started.
> However,  once y= ou get familiar with it you will like it:)
>
> on a "support" = page of http://www.rfspace.com/  you will also find a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
>
> = ; they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular transc= eiver front side
>  It has many many different options - of cour= se, it does take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather ea= sy..
>
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http= ://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very intuitive and easy to use.
&= gt;
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting&nbs= p; sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of sdr programs you ca= n find here:
>
> https://s= ites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software
>
>=                       &nbs= p;                     &n= bsp;                     =       yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: Lodz /jo91r= s/
>
>


=

=
 
---357169082-873925017-1340272951=:77171-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 35F1238000082; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdnf6-0004fC-PT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:18:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdnf2-0004f3-GJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:18:52 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sdnf0-0001EX-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:18:51 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwFAL/y1E9cF/HU/2dsb2JhbABFnn4DhH+QWYEIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMEDQQBAQolFAEEGgYMCggGEwoBAgIBAYdsAw+3MYpGYYJOgxsDiA2FMZJehH2CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,385,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="383929528" Received: from host-92-23-241-212.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.241.212]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Jun 2012 20:18:38 +0100 Message-ID: <006601cd473d$d4da5cf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <004201cd4730$cc020860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57131D54FA1241D8BBE53212C31F7BF0@Shack> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:18:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Tony But two thirds of the members did not vote, g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:15 PM Subject: LF: Re: Votes 70% Yahoo 10% Black Sheep 19% Continue with both [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 24b65a258fa7a3a87cfdaa03bb2f3176 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Votes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01CD473D.D4A39580" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481843200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60594fd4f3744cf5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CD473D.D4A39580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Tony But two thirds of the members did not vote, g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:15 PM Subject: LF: Re: Votes 70% Yahoo 10% Black Sheep 19% Continue with both No idea who the other 1% is ;-) Tony, EI8JK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM Subject: LF: Votes Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many = voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to = go. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CD473D.D4A39580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Tony
But two thirds of the members did not = vote,
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tony=20
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 6:15 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Votes

70% Yahoo
10% Black Sheep
19% Continue with both
 
No idea who the other 1% is = ;-)
 
Tony, EI8JK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 5:45=20 PM
Subject: LF: Votes

Well
Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo = group. Out=20 of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that = Yahoo was=20 the way to go.
g3kev
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > > > so what I would appreciate some suggestions about > > is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in > > air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? > > > Hi Daniele, > >you may get some inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier design. > > http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-active-sm-loop-antenna.htm > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.86.89.69 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? 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Any ideas? > > > Hi Daniele, > >you may get some inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier design. > > http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-active-sm-loop-antenna.htm > This amplifier provides better performance than either the Wellbrook or Pixel commercial products: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper009.html Chris Trask N7ZWY / WDX3HLB Senior Member IEEE http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CE1393800008F; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skxgz-0006ZX-0n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:26:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skxgy-0006ZO-If for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:26:28 +0100 Received: from mailout07.t-online.de ([194.25.134.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skxgw-0005ut-LU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:26:27 +0100 Received: from fwd01.aul.t-online.de (fwd01.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout07.t-online.de with smtp id 1Skxgv-0008QO-GK; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:26:25 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (rXabTGZdYh1P3Y03h9My6BuRBzdZqWwqS2NNsJeZTgKMdwjbA4cdyYYL75ef+jJgnu@[84.147.188.72]) by fwd01.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Skxgm-1ayVPs0; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:26:16 +0200 Message-ID: <00942B895A8F4CD3999DDE680DBE16CE@standard9dmup1> From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <4FEEF3ED.4070503@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:26:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: rXabTGZdYh1P3Y03h9My6BuRBzdZqWwqS2NNsJeZTgKMdwjbA4cdyYYL75ef+jJgnu X-TOI-MSGID: 3cb7729f-6f47-407b-93c1-7ccf6b48d10a X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, tnx fer info and ok abt ur "ground antenna". Here QRN low at this moment. We should give the dipole (really? don't know) a chance, so from time to time will listen. I am just testing a simple way to put up fiber glass masts for a MF-antenne. Our Club intends to have a small fieldday at 29.7.12 - only fer MF. 73 Walter [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.83 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Subject: LF: Re: An asymmetric feeded full wave dipole for the 630m band Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:376281184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574feefec11f74 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, tnx fer info and ok abt ur "ground antenna". Here QRN low at this moment. We should give the dipole (really? don't know) a chance, so from time to time will listen. I am just testing a simple way to put up fiber glass masts for a MF-antenne. Our Club intends to have a small fieldday at 29.7.12 - only fer MF. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: LF: An asymmetric feeded full wave dipole for the 630m band MF, Another thing. Right now it is 32 C here. Best place it to stay on the beach or on the top of a hill in the forest. Today i choose the forest. Accidentally there is my 700m (ish) long earth antenna which has an average height above ground of 8m. Today i want to use it as a dipole for the 630m band. The feed point is somewhere in the middle but not exactly known. What will the efficiency and radiation pattern be? Is it a dipole or what? EZNEC says it will have 10 Ohm Z=R at resonance (Cu losses + "typical" ground losses). The WX forcast says there will be much QRN in the evening, anyway. Maybe someone can listen from time to time on 476.5 kHz? I will listen on the band (+ 500 kHz +-) too and maybe a QSO is possible. Who knows... If the antenna behaves as a dipole it should radiate E/W, so good chances for UK, PA and DF6NM, DJ2LF... I'll start now and may be "QRV" in 2 hours or so. Here, the first time my PA will operate in /p. Nice that it is smaller than a VHS video cassette and allows to generate QRP at high efficiency! 73, CU, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 73AAA38000086; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjfRN-0007sU-Jj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:45:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjfRM-0007sJ-T9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:45:00 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjfRL-0001De-52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:44:59 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5QNivRl018659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:44:58 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QNiwEY003195 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:44:58 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEA490A.4080307@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:43:06 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <36D642DC20944A339A77B05805C821AF@Extensa> <4FE9AB62.1040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8891F24A59404592B6BD262BA56C74E2@Extensa> <4FEA4388.1070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Peter, Best is to make a recording, then you can reprocess it all the time and try to find better filter and display settings. Unfortunately you missed my VLF kite experiments in 2010 and 2011. Would have been no problem for you to see me in QRSS-3 on 8970 Hz! Maybe, who knows what the future brings... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 0b36c952c26be93e626fe2fa1c93657f Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000904010302020703040707" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:366288608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fea49ad6a28 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000904010302020703040707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter, Best is to make a recording, then you can reprocess it all the time and try to find better filter and display settings. Unfortunately you missed my VLF kite experiments in 2010 and 2011. Would have been no problem for you to see me in QRSS-3 on 8970 Hz! Maybe, who knows what the future brings... 73, Stefan Am 27.06.2012 01:36, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hi Stefan, > Unfortunately I wasn't at home this evening, so the supprise was > already at the screen when I came home from my job. > I understand your explaination of that inter-code-tone :-) > I will try to capture the observations on camera or screengrabber sunday. > A Youtube project is in progres.... > 73's, Peter - PA1SDB > Live: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg > > --------------000904010302020703040707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter,

Best is to make a recording, then you can reprocess it all the time and try to find better filter and display settings.

Unfortunately you missed my VLF kite experiments in 2010 and 2011. Would have been no problem for you to see me in QRSS-3 on 8970 Hz! Maybe, who knows what the future brings...

73, Stefan

Am 27.06.2012 01:36, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter:
Hi Stefan,
 
Unfortunately I wasn't at home this evening, so the supprise was already at the screen when I came home from my job.
I understand your explaination of that inter-code-tone :-)
I will try to capture the observations on camera or screengrabber sunday.
A Youtube project is in progres.... 
 
73's, Peter - PA1SDB
 
 
 

--------------000904010302020703040707-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 81C7C38000088; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scee4-0002ms-M4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:29:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scee4-0002mf-8j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:29:08 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scee2-0002cr-49 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:29:07 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmEJAG3I0E9cHYyS/2dsb2JhbABFiX2ocwSBLIEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMlASMCFAoIBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHdQkHuHqLHUSCL4MZA409l1qCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,731,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="540701253" Received: from host-92-29-140-146.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.146]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 16:29:05 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01cd44c2$446c8800$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002901cd44bb$8eef6840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:29:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Infernal Beacon.One way street. NO QSO switch. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: LF: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: LF: Re: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486014080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41164fd0c8ee445c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Infernal Beacon.One way street. NO QSO switch. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: LF: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > I can copy your beacon through the heavy QRN. If you go into QSO mode we > could make a 2 x contact. > BUT how good is your RX and Ears?? > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Schfer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:10 PM > Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > > > > LF! > > > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a > > challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo > > against the QRN :-) > > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 > > so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ACC8A38000095; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbGIV-0004ev-Np for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:17:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbGIU-0004em-Db for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:17:06 +0100 Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com ([74.125.82.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbGIS-0003GU-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:17:05 +0100 Received: by wgbfa7 with SMTP id fa7so2800421wgb.28 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:17:02 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=ooZOOrWPIGaDw4SPCIUd0d2Us5hmW+Y/gtch0rEZ3Iw=; b=lKDOq39jJdxVNZ7N+7dxtsRxBgiak52lfmoXzY6abIa3fYwShNxGdPMPE6XIOXz2o5 5krv235Vp85keo7QHADavv1iuNXtVK3GTgBPNrSVMd6hmscPfNZC72K6bQpcPJUdCbPB wdi1SJHh9hDYND/3XxqO8JtWeL5+VwHh0qPztKHx6KnONiPuFMmLpz2oXY8DfA/2GQfG 6zamZx6Y/993kZ+gfsQj/QpCIHpxOxeVzM2cssdvxv7buzwkCyvLO6+5RbwrR6OqZZZq JgW1ZZtlolRAsk53N+Yqw+E3Mhkbn4a/MXI9xDjaTSsCCdoaQDEd9Cwj/bzmUtph/r0U ltLA== Received: by 10.216.194.23 with SMTP id l23mr8333133wen.121.1338751022062; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc6-cmbg17-2-0-cust624.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com. [86.30.58.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z8sm23510021wiy.1.2012.06.03.12.17.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:17:00 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> <003801cd41aa$bee050f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: Roger Lapthorn X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <003801cd41aa$bee050f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal (et al), Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on moderation. It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently off-topic then the moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or even suspend membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are respectful of others and post on-topic without getting personal and offensive. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 64bc660a83b79b15f4c44d2b2147e02d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A00E65D5-1421-4AF2-BE93-74400C17D2F8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1494fcbb87d7fb7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-A00E65D5-1421-4AF2-BE93-74400C17D2F8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mal (et al), Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on moderati= on.=20 It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly offensive, r= epeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently off-topic then the mod= erators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or even suspend memb= ership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are respectful of others a= nd post on-topic without getting personal and offensive.=20 Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group where most s= eem perfectly happy.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" wrote: > How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM > G3KEV > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status >=20 > Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM > Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE > =20 > > Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. > > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: g3zjo > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status >=20 > On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote: >>=20 >> Well John >> When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a mo= ve to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose opinions a= nd point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging or democratic.= >> A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group bu= t not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. >>=20 > Come on Mal >=20 > I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to lies. >=20 > Eddie > =20 --Apple-Mail-A00E65D5-1421-4AF2-BE93-74400C17D2F8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Mal (et al),
Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views= on moderation. 

It is unusual to ban anyone b= ut where a member has been grossly offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to= others, or consistently off-topic then the moderators have the right (duty e= ven) to delete such posts or even suspend membership. I repeat this is highl= y unlikely if people are respectful of others and post on-topic without gett= ing personal and offensive. 

Now, let's please= get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group where most seem perfectly hap= py. 

73s
Roger G3XBM

<= /div>


-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

O= n 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from= =20 G3XBM
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 T= ony=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM=
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Refl= ector=20 status

Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51=20= PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yaho= o=20 group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
= From:=20 g= 3zjo=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42=20= PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.:=20= Reflector status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some t= ime back=20 indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban perso= ns=20 like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his,  this i= s=20 hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operat= ion of=20 any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but ple= ase=20 don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, Just be sure that the TX antenna is not coupled to the E-probe. ( De-tune the system when you check it) I'm mostly listening on my TX antenna, the E-probe is only a few meters away. These two interact in such that the E-probe is just a bufferamp of the main aerial. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.6 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 9d01e9df836df8dd3868645661e1c1f7 Subject: Re: LF: Test signal needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427428608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fe116ec0c59 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, Just be sure that the TX antenna is not coupled to the E-probe. ( De-tune the system when you check it) I'm mostly listening on my TX antenna, the E-probe is only a few meters away. These two interact in such that the E-probe is just a bufferamp of the main aerial. To give you an idea how heavy this is: With a portable (AWP20 AKAI) I can enjoy MF in the toilet and bathroom providing the radio is near the waterworks and TX aerial is tuned. IQ2MI is "good" beacon, just before sunset it manifest itself here and build up to S-6 during midnight. During the winter you can enjoy it the whole day. I FYI sometimes during clubevenings (Tuesdays?) it comes "live" with CQ. But assume they will not listen on 477 :-( Checked Meteox, during our QSO a heavy thunderstorm was over your QTH, it moved away and lost a lot of it's activity. Just to advise you that you shouldn't misinterpret your observations. Jan/pa3abk NNNN On 20-6-2012 1:29, Stefan Schfer wrote: > MF, > > I took the QRSS/CW beacon signal from IQ2MI as the test signal. It was > very well audible here, R5. It was interesting to see the deep QSB. > Both, my small active antenna and the transmit antenna show the same > S/N but maybe it would be useful to use a antenna switch to compare > the S/N without having a time delay (changing the antenna cables), due > to the QSB... > > 73s.. > > Am 20.06.2012 00:44, schrieb Stefan Schfer: >> Rik, MF, >> >> Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much >> better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. >> Maybe you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? >> >> It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that >> many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops >> that were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. >> >> I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test >> signals from amateurs. >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> > > -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 64C3B3800008A; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 07:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb8tb-0006GQ-GU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:55 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb8tb-0006GH-3D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:55 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb8tZ-0000tr-HB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p548D15DC.dip.t-dialin.net [84.141.21.220]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MZyjz-1SHXyV02DX-00LX8m; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:22:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB490B.1050900@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:22:51 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <1338719720.38541.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338719720.38541.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:+uOa8pQ99Bz6La6KDu1PKeLYctpVnxrRgA89S+dCOnm w0D2XqvExPQJ1vTzfySibExiAISd65FSEAWO2LJg8z3iMb9EUg qwEBUMBYaKTEHGMl56ddXwdpsw+GYZKHPGGo6jxDZiJWWYr9de q0E7L2BTMMK254lpcabaj7CvdCZtuRAKtsMyt3M5PPG4Bf9KNU E6VQDgfATRc2GI/EpJPrYjdBa96VddMsh8gOIltxTi+iEhp41Z kFJW9nb0hjiOpQW9YT/Y43+ZPjydBJ7VNuhaoonEozcrof9/iv B3YNfCHJC3WKsRp/bDuxkFnYoa4pCOjkk+akIS5BC2hJcX3J1J U9wI0mJFWZOeJv0UsUH8dkv8O8akadwpdzQ+bawFR X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete, You wrote: > ... > To avoid the adverts and the "Brave New World" or "The Shock of the New" that Yahoo has brought to LF you can elect to have your LF mails "Bundled" and delivered to your existing Web e-mail address or to your POP server sans ads! > ... 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Walter, The carrier of the beacon BIA is on 474 kHz (AM 1kHz) the side bands are on 473 en 475 kHz. Albert PA0A [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 73624bb08a20c2e0895fd0d9fb8136a4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:235939296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fd8f91d6e06 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Walter, The carrier of the beacon BIA is on 474 kHz (AM 1kHz) the side bands are on 473 en 475 kHz. Albert PA0A From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5606938000088; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbGpK-00051p-J7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:51:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbGpJ-00051g-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:51:01 +0100 Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com ([64.136.55.36]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbGpH-0003Nu-8a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:51:00 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=juno.com Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1338753056; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Content-Type:From:Message-Id; b=GLW6FDoxd8xgHTnuzyruiFuCMDe5lfp7qmCZtH3XVMqP68qCuGSwB0DFIop7PSe83 OwYEo18mB13JWVTlSJgERkcxu8Ecua+vavJUmRO1rGO5rauS/Tl/82ALS4BDMaensI yFrR59HSECO0Rgc140RgUnCXfbwUELBlN9hgWfmw= Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (mailpop07.vgs.untd.com [10.181.45.27]) by smtpout06.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABH6ZSAHA4S78TS for (sender ); Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:50:31 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewLOurKefQkndWOKoYUiR/GpIL/EkfdDt7g== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by mailpop07.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SACME9UV; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:50:20 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:49:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Email Client 8.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-6,7,9,11,13-14,16,18-22,24-27,29-31,37-39,41-89,93,95-101,102-32767 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com Message-Id: <20120603.125020.1661.559237@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 9468 X-ContentStamp: 29:14:123634915 X-MAIL-INFO:155fea1bfb4bbf2bbaa70383cfa75a37879e3bcfa787ef93839f7ede02679b078eaf7e9aab07976f4a13dbdbb75efafae7cbde4f9e333fdac76b6b0f8a8aea5beeea9e33e7f35f6eee2e1eebce024a3a5f0a67eb6e0f7be7ee1bbf03438f8a7fbf7b670ee38f2bbf3bdeba874b13d7570e3b6a5e3fbb6e9fafbb1ec7ea5e2adadf0b071a97 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.45.27|mailpop07.vgs.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Alright I signed up and created a yahoo account first thing I had to do was create an E mail address and then fill out my user information,, I believe the user info is set to stay hidden so at this point,, what is next,, how do I sign up for the LF reflector/group I really dont like doing this ,, but what the heck when I find the new reflector will it ask how to bundle my traffic and will that only be accessible to me after I sign on for the Yahooie e mail or can I have that sent to my Juno account and not need to sign on to the yahoo account [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.136.55.36 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (riese-k3djc[at]juno.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 96c1546db5321e0e52b4c66d17932f07 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_28ff.725f.2b30 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_JUNO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:508196000:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m232.1 ; domain : juno.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fcbc0583a26 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_28ff.725f.2b30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright I signed up and created a yahoo account first thing I had to do was create an E mail address and then fill out my user information,, I believe the user info is set to stay hidden so at this point,, what is next,, how do I sign up for the LF reflector/group I really dont like doing this ,, but what the heck when I find the new reflector will it ask how to bundle my traffic and will that only be accessible to me after I sign on for the Yahooie e mail or can I have that sent to my Juno account and not need to sign on to the yahoo account Bob K3DJC On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0100 Roger Lapthorn writes: Mal (et al), Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on moderation. It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently off-topic then the moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or even suspend membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are respectful of others and post on-topic without getting personal and offensive. Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group where most seem perfectly happy. 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" wrote: How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. ----- Original Message ----- From: g3zjo To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote: Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly encouraging or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to lies. Eddie ----__JNP_000_28ff.725f.2b30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Alright
I signed up and created a yahoo account first thing I had to do was = create=20 an E mail address
and then fill out my user information,, I believe the user info is set= to=20 stay hidden
so at this point,, what is next,, how do I sign up for the LF=20 reflector/group
I really dont like doing this ,, but what the heck
when I find the new reflector will it ask how to bundle=20 my traffic and will that only be accessible to me
after I sign on for the Yahooie e mail or can I have that sent to my = Juno=20 account and not need to sign
on to the yahoo account
 
Bob K3DJC
 
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0100 Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=20 writes:
Mal (et al),

Please read my most recent posts on the Yahoo group for my views on= =20 moderation. 

It is unusual to ban anyone but where a member has been grossly=20 offensive, repeatedly rude and hurtful to others, or consistently off-= topic=20 then the moderators have the right (duty even) to delete such posts or = even=20 suspend membership. I repeat this is highly unlikely if people are = respectful=20 of others and post on-topic without getting personal and=20 offensive. 

Now, let's please get back to LF matters and on the Yahoo group = where=20 most seem perfectly happy. 

73s
Roger G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 3 Jun 2012, at 18:03, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation = from=20 G3XBM
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tony
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:= 56=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.:= =20 Reflector status

Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 = 9:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector"= Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
= From:=20 g3zjo
To: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T= .:=20 Reflector status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting = some time=20 back indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to= ban=20 persons like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his,= =20  this is hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth = operation=20 of any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or=20 BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself = but=20 please don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
 
----__JNP_000_28ff.725f.2b30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 452D73800009A; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shoy9-0001zV-2O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shoy8-0001zM-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:12 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shoy3-0004Lt-Jc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:11 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhYFAGeR409OlpvA/2dsb2JhbAArGoJFgxOaMQOVSoEIghgBAQUIGzMCBiYBBAUDAxEEAQEKIQICMwYWCAYTCAmHbAMPBymmcpJ+iktjgmaCCjJgA41IiHSJcIR/gmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,453,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="396615025" Received: from host-78-150-155-192.as13285.net (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.150.155.192]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2012 22:31:05 +0100 Message-ID: <7534B2BE5B5848289524F7662A697085@TraceyPC> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <00c801cd4fcd$164011c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d401cd4fd5$373745d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1340312150.80181.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340312150.80181.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Pete If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling digital down conversion SDR. It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a LAN interface for remote access. The best bit is that it costs just over £200 inc shipping and VAT. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f45514038df04b1035abb1d5446da941 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_070C_01CD4FFD.88A27200" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485468320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d618a4fe3931840e7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_070C_01CD4FFD.88A27200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Pete If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on = the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling = digital down conversion SDR. It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a = LAN interface for remote access. The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT. You can find more details here http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description https://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b1022925e I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer. 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Mal The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the = price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D = converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on LF = because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its = worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks = people have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not = sure. It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known = LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 = chipset. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_070C_01CD4FFD.88A27200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hello Pete
 
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new = kid on=20 the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel.
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling = digital=20 down conversion SDR.
It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and = has a LAN=20 interface for remote access.
The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and = VAT.
 
You can find more details here
 
http://4z5= lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description
 
https://www.box.com/s= /1cd9353fa35b1022925e
 
I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer.
 
73s Tracey G5VU
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 9:55=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

Hi Mal
 
The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is = the price=20 and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D=20 converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage = on LF=20 because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound=20 card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think = its worth=20 persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks people = have been=20 opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It looks = like=20 they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX suppiers do. = Oh and=20 the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
------=_NextPart_000_070C_01CD4FFD.88A27200-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 52C133800009C; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScQNb-0007tm-Aq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 01:15:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScQNa-0007td-O2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 01:15:10 +0100 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScQNY-0007hw-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 01:15:09 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q570F3qd029335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:45:04 -0230 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:45:03 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MUN-Disclaimer: http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/elect_communications_disclaimer_2012.php X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. 73 Joe VO1NA [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: aee9e5eeb35c86f052d502ac97832558 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:426795136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174fcff2fa2d5b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. 73 Joe VO1NA This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 26D97380000A1; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Samxo-0006J1-6P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:57:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Samxn-0006Is-Ox for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:57:47 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Samxl-0005Bs-U5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:57:46 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d10 with ME id HPxi1j0060Lx2rm03PxiW9; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:57:45 +0200 Message-ID: <3D4B0B405E7D41FEBDD5A548EB7DFF8A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:57:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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G.. 11:54 500 M0FMT de M0FMT Op4 0 mi +6 dB in HITCHIN with 0w + LW up 35ft 11:54 500 M0FMT de PA0A Op4 288 mi -20 dB in Lucaswolde with 0w + LW up 35ft [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 968492e608ae81f946d7c13a3d073eeb Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD40BF.4BCF2410" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452175424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fc9fff3363c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD40BF.4BCF2410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So far , so good ! G.. 11:54 500 M0FMT de M0FMT Op4 0 mi +6 dB in HITCHIN with 0w + LW up 35ft 11:54 500 M0FMT de PA0A Op4 288 mi -20 dB in Lucaswolde with 0w + LW up = 35ft 11:54 500 M0FMT de G4WGT Op4 149 mi -27 dB in IO83qo, nr Preston. with = 0w + LW u 11:54 500 M0FMT de G0NBD Op4 153 mi -27 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 deg = NO R From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:21 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD40BF.4BCF2410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So far , so good !
 
G..

11:54 500 M0FMT de M0FMT Op4 0 mi +6 dB in HITCHIN with 0w + LW up = 35ft

11:54 500 M0FMT de PA0A Op4 288 mi -20 dB in Lucaswolde with 0w + LW = up=20 35ft

11:54 500 M0FMT de G4WGT Op4 149 mi -27 dB in IO83qo, nr Preston. = with 0w +=20 LW u

11:54 500 M0FMT de G0NBD Op4 153 mi -27 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 = deg NO=20 R

 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:21 PM
Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CD40BF.4BCF2410-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0612D38000088; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SclHy-0005zB-O3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:34:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SclHy-0005z2-8q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:34:46 +0100 Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SclHw-0004oy-CZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:34:45 +0100 Received: by bkty5 with SMTP id y5so2319704bkt.16 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:34:43 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AWyRpTENl3SSnsE0VWLHD/f6qF1rMh1nL6UzXS3CQKI=; b=ayxm/skQS0wztiZBdvz5aXNAHAPiGaQcKG4MC/5PkpabyvmA59coc6oEpKVstT4ACe m58IPWPoG/aEg+kiCiN7A34tK+jENWGYVRLvsZk6RI3qdxRQkP/A6z50b/ie1D6v780c Suxf9AO70lQ3UAeO1/7Z/+kEPvLjAWX4x2dWvhOJFeNX7K/iiIhC2/MMqIMM46zvQ1Fa 9URfQtbvecynvMJ8Xw2Emg7Hdxk9vnueZXhuUDe2CjnQ0dw+rmiddOI8lNDqnZLm24a9 xHh7QXL1b/bt/qc40+i7GSWHN8n2fkOSVzMmWjIqAoE9iqYq1+CceoH98Q8TkGWMubd/ PEeA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.137.5 with SMTP id im5mr3435018bkc.45.1339108483045; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.178.73 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:34:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 01:34:42 +0300 Message-ID: From: Chris 4X1RF To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, LF, Really nice copy now (22:00UTC) in Bucharest, here's the text: VVV VVV DE DK7FC DK7FC IN JN49IK JN49IK - 73 FROM HEIDELBERG DE DK7FC AR [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (chrisgomy[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: b8b011f938af8abc4b241335cabd0691 Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747698272991204c1e97df2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471697280:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d246.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904fd12cdb6944 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --00151747698272991204c1e97df2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, LF, Really nice copy now (22:00UTC) in Bucharest, here's the text: VVV VVV DE DK7FC DK7FC IN JN49IK JN49IK - 73 FROM HEIDELBERG DE DK7FC AR and a recording (about 13min long, mp3 mono 8KHz/16bit, 3175KB) I've made using the SpectrumLab (thanks Wolf!) QRSS-10 grabber configured with a 25Hz wide filter and 550Hz beat tone: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10280270/YO/DK7FC_Recording_7june2012/rec_%2806_08= _2012%29_2.mp3 Thanks for the signals! 73s Chris 4X1RF On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer < Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote: > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challeng= e > for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN > :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/**CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=3D** > 50&customRange=3D137so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to t= he LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > --00151747698272991204c1e97df2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan, LF,

Really nice copy now (22:00UTC) in Buch= arest, here's the text:

=A0VVV VVV DE DK7FC DK7FC IN JN49IK JN49IK - 73 FROM HEIDELBERG DE DK7FC AR

and a recording (about 13min long, mp3 mono 8KHz/16bit, 3175KB) I= 've made using the SpectrumLab (thanks Wolf!) QRSS-10 grabber configure= d with a 25Hz wide filter and 550Hz beat tone:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10280270/YO/DK7FC_Recording_7june2012/rec_%2= 806_08_2012%29_2.mp3


Thanks for the signals!

73s
Chris 4X1RF


On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote= :
LF!

I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high wit= h thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challeng= e for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN= :-)
In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.as= px?customCount=3D50&customRange=3D137 so this is worth to tr= y to gain some newcomers to the LF band!

73, Stefan/DK7FC


--00151747698272991204c1e97df2-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6DD7938000089; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbWTk-0003Cx-6m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:33:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbWTj-0003Co-JW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:33:47 +0100 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbWTh-0006VQ-8u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:33:46 +0100 Received: by wejx9 with SMTP id x9so5750861wej.16 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 05:33:44 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=jUefzTWqEJp30QvuZw6W8bXsyB+MXOFEqlAGPKElKz0=; b=p814E7J+Y+Wv2hJ0Vm/F0EYdbne0TcMyXB/t1TgjtI8a0RMHfVgNiAZ5/dvUbEkv24 VFsGgxkJjOWp0OsRkg07fKWu0sbEaA1Rs+I3m49VfE9I9vnKqI7m78Ol3SsHBT27YWfU +F/YiJiB7IVzTX8eBG5an8iA7/XY+RP0bCi+hNVYmR9Za6VlAGWbY4KsmWC5tiBuw7C7 q6uYNXO0UWFzTNdy6VHoVmucTZEUSYzN8Bubrx8cgnlca9QbXH2qTFfrIWfuFS9DuYQq 5RydR+uGnZAFXF/EnLt8AQV8AcJfa7ThJpMwSQbw5+HjzGbvqARyb3IVq9L1aLEpOA9a tQcg== Received: by 10.216.206.65 with SMTP id k43mr11101575weo.144.1338813220139; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 05:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc6-cmbg17-2-0-cust624.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com. [86.30.58.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d10sm31934433wiy.3.2012.06.04.05.33.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Jun 2012 05:33:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: Roger Lapthorn X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:33:33 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Mal, Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not me. Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 07fee8d4a4e8ea80934a0e0aaa44e788 Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-ED2792A4-9797-416A-BEFE-C93237F020A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:495366560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d005.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4fccab643256 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-ED2792A4-9797-416A-BEFE-C93237F020A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear Mal, Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not me.=20 Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" wrote: > Reference postings from G3XBM > I am concerned about items 9 and 10 > Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. > Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those VETTING a= nd what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a different opinion o= r point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR > What ever happens avoid him as a moderator > =20 > de g3kev > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan Melia ; Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer ; Mark= us Vester ; James Moritz=20 > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM > Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE >=20 > With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest that the LF-re= flector migrates to a Yahoo group? >=20 > In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or problem= s with any group to which I belong or moderate. >=20 > Instead they have had these advantages: > Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered in-boxes) > There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before messages are rec= eived. > All messages are archived and searchable. > Large files can be stored. > Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth. > Links can be stored/shared > Videos can be stored. > Polls can be run. > Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderators to speed up= the process) > Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. > Spam messages can be filtered > Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc) > The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot understand why t= he change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this week it is surely ti= me. >=20 > To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would take= about 30 seconds and migration to it by all interested members here would t= ake about a day at most. All you need is to agree a group name, who owns it,= who can moderate posts and some basic group ground rules/FAQs. >=20 > Please, think about it again.=20 >=20 > 73s > Roger G3XBM >=20 > --=20 > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ > http://qss2.blogspot.com/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-ED2792A4-9797-416A-BEFE-C93237F020A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Dear Mal,

Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not m= e. 

Please, stop this personal and nasty hate c= ampaign. 

73s
Roger
G3XBM<= /div>



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --
<= br>On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

Reference postings from G3XBM
I am concerned about items 9  and 10
Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members=20 banned.
Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the creden= tials of=20 those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a=20 different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of=20 HUMOUR
What ever happens avoid him as a moderator<= /div>
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51=20= PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yaho= o=20 group instead .....PLEASE

With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest= =20 that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group?

In over 10 years I= =20 have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or problems with any group to= =20 which I belong or moderate.

Instead they have had these advantages:=
  1. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered=20 in-boxes)
  2. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before messa= ges are=20 received.=20
  3. All messages are archived and searchable.
  4. Large files can be stored.
  5. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.
  6. Links can be stored/shared
  7. Videos can be stored.
  8. Polls can be run.=20
  9. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderators t= o speed=20 up the process)
  10. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
  11. Spam messages can be filtered
  12. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc)
The=20 advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot understand why the=20= change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this week it is surely=20 time.

To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or whateve= r)=20 would take about 30 seconds and migration to it by all interested members h= ere=20 would take about a day at most. All you need is to agree a group name, who= =20 owns it, who can moderate posts and some basic group ground=20 rules/FAQs.

Please, think about it again.

73s
Roger G3XB= M

--
http:/= /g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites= .google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

= --Apple-Mail-ED2792A4-9797-416A-BEFE-C93237F020A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8EACC38000085; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 05:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiMXP-0001PL-KD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:21:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiMXP-0001PC-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:21:51 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiMXN-0005CH-2R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:21:50 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 0EEBA128089.A06B6 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-1e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.33]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEBA128089 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:21:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06A654048 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:21:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::f5f7:d8cc:bee0:28d3%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:21:45 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: 630m band Wikipedia site Thread-Index: AQHNUNAnEminkl2lUkeCZp0BibuvgpcHnsub Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:21:44 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB3755@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FE5010A.4000900@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE5010A.4000900@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.12] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, all, why 630m band ? Of course I know 600m = 500kHz, but we (hams) always tend to use round number, eg: 7MHz = 40m band and not 42m band (40m wavelenght = 7.5MHz). The only HF band where the wavelenght given to it really falls inside the ham band is 80m (3,75MHz). Let's just call it 600m ? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: LF: RE: 630m band Wikipedia site Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:403770944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fe58afc3f14 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, all, why 630m band ? Of course I know 600m =3D 500kHz, but we (hams) always tend to use round nu= mber, eg: 7MHz =3D 40m band and not 42m band (40m wavelenght =3D 7.5MHz). The only HF band where the wavelenght given to it really falls inside the h= am band is 80m (3,75MHz). Let's just call it 600m ?=20 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: zaterdag 23 juni 2012 1:34 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: 630m band Wikipedia site MF, I just found a 630m band Wikipedia site in German, English and French language: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/630-Meter-Band Google says the site i 4 days old :-) Even a band plan is shown which seems to be preliminary... 73, Stefan/DK7FC= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 294573800009C; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg2WA-0002j7-BW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:34:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg2W9-0002iy-Q0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:34:57 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg2W7-0004Xl-SI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:34:56 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d40 with ME id PBat1j0094U6hVe03BatNA; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:34:54 +0200 Message-ID: <6B9D916957BB40B0A7B3CFD97D9902F4@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <0D4DC6EEC79B42328EDCDEFB0B10830B@AGB> <9BC6879BA28949A9A5292FB65ACD03BD@W1KW> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:34:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-1, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: And finally , off air decode at 554 Miles ! 23:23 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 554 mi -28 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 deg NO R From: Graham Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 14522a7d8bfffcae5e92e35059f18ae1 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0207_01CD4C21.03497570" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:467486656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d54fdd186213ea X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0207_01CD4C21.03497570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And finally , off air decode at 554 Miles ! 23:23 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 554 mi -28 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 deg = NO R From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 Ok Geri=20 Watching for your signal off air on 477 at the moment = .......just starting to go dark , web-browser froze , but now = back running , so am monitoring 477 via delft and off air = Liverpool at the moment . Ok, on the exciter, I use the Racal MA1723 , which will run ok = past 500 Khz , just checked and the ROS-MF 2 mode is -28 dB = min s/n =20 Its possible that 477.400 could be used , in the last 200 Hz , = as the mode is 100 Hz wide =20 Good results for you on the first day ! 73 -G.=20 From: DK8KW & DI2BO=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 Graham, I will look into ROS, I have a SSB exciter that works down to 100 kHz = which should be able to do the trick. Thanks, 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 DF2JP=20 First station to decode off air , at -22 dB that is strong = enough to use the ROS-MF-2 data mode for a qso ! , Opera qso = mode needs -20 dB min signal level ,=20 (ROS MF needs Audio + ssb or SDR tx , but is MFSK so no need = for a linear PA ) 18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w + = Umbrella,=20 18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com=20 Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft =20 73 -G.=20 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB *********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20 16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella ------=_NextPart_000_0207_01CD4C21.03497570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And finally , off  air  decode  = at =20 554 Miles  !

23:23 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 554 mi -28 dB in Nr Liverpool = beam 040=20 deg NO R


From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:58 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

Ok  Geri
 
Watching  for  your  signal  off  = air =20 on  477 at the  moment  .......just  starting  = to =20 go  dark  , web-browser  froze , but  now  = back =20 running  , so  am monitoring    477  = via =20 delft  and  off air  Liverpool  at the  moment = .
 
Ok, on the exciter, I use the   Racal MA1723 , = which =20 will  run  ok  past  500 Khz  , just =20 checked  and  the  ROS-MF 2 mode  is   -28 = dB  min  s/n 
 
Its possible  that  477.400  could  be  = used =20 , in the  last  200 Hz  , as the  mode  = is  100=20 Hz  wide 
 
Good  results for  you  on the  first  day = !
 
73 -G.

From: DK8KW & DI2BO
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

Graham,
 
I will look into ROS, I have a SSB = exciter=20 that works down to 100 kHz which should be able to do the=20 trick.
 
 
Thanks, 73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 9:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera = decode=20 from 477 via Delft sdr

DF2JP
 
First  station  to  decode  off  air , = at =20 -22 dB   that is  strong enough  to  use = the =20 ROS-MF-2  data  mode  for  a qso !   ,=20 Opera  qso mode  needs  -20 dB min signal  = level  ,=20
 
(ROS MF needs  Audio + ssb  or  SDR   = tx  ,=20 but  is  MFSK  so  no need  for  a  = linear=20 PA )
 

18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella,

18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com
Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

*********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20

 

16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

------=_NextPart_000_0207_01CD4C21.03497570-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 13111380000A7; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkFih-0006Js-O8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:29:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkFih-0006Jh-2a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:29:19 +0100 Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkFiY-0002mk-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:29:17 +0100 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Jypzi2EUumUg9x+MuCFGnsEIpW+iMeGSXGVbMibHBXXLP76XDPpE9gCpdJcFgCY5; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.68] (helo=wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SkFiC-0003sO-4a; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:28:48 -0400 Received: from 97.117.196.160 by webmail.c.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:28:47 -0400 Message-ID: <9632772.1340893727946.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:28:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Trask To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c2609aa86267d27a100d00c3863e78b47d2fca2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.68 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > > it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 > turns of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). > Nulling and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current > var cap, tuning range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be > moved to lower frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. > Until now I have only made some quick tests by inductively > coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a portable radio. > I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct > connection with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for > example a transformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a > transformer is recommended, is it advisable to use the main coil > as the primary winding? > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.86.89.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: Re: LF: Coupling a LF resonant ferrite rx antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:360579168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fec6a78707f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none > > it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 > turns of Litz wire over a bundle of=C2=A0seven 20cmx1cm rods). > Nulling and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current > var cap, tuning range is about 160-650 kHz and could=C2=A0easily be > moved to lower frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. > Until now I have only made some quick tests by inductively > coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a portable radio. > I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct > connection with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for > example a transformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a > transformer is recommended, is it advisable to use the main coil > as the primary winding? > You may want to look at how I approached this in an active ferrite rod= antenna that I designed some time ago: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper006.html Chris Trask N7ZWY / WDX3HLB Senior Member IEEE http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EF71E380000AB; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCnA-0001S0-QL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:32:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCnA-0001Rr-Db for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:32:32 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCn6-0002Ap-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:32:31 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlIJAKmCy09Ok80K/2dsb2JhbABEsngEgSWBCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDSQIWEAYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh3UJtVOLEU6CLIMWA409kH6GVoJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="394717847" Received: from host-78-147-205-10.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.205.10]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 16:32:26 +0100 Message-ID: <00fd01cd419e$130b0560$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00a201cd4197$444c2340$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <00db01cd4199$36b3fee0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:32:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Now for technical information I just had a qso on 502 CW with PA0WMR 599 each way. Where are the other 155 LF/MF subscribers maybe QSO only via YAHOO and 4G also now CQ on 136.5 CW pse call, nil hrd so far de Mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 2e2f7cbbe9f38dd7bf3fac4fc012e6fc Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464642944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4fcb83d14d10 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Now for technical information I just had a qso on 502 CW with PA0WMR 599 each way. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, I got a callsign in Feb this year, so it is pretty new. Only little activity on VHF repeaters so far, plus plans for attempting QRP /p on 20m. Free time is tight and new ideas to experiment with seem to never stop... :-) 73 Daniele IZ5WWB [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.90 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-67346210-1211178199-1340401559=:71504" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:308898560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m012.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fe4e7d073fc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---67346210-1211178199-1340401559=:71504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan, I got a callsign in Feb this year, so it is pretty new. Only = little activity on VHF repeaters so far, plus plans for attempting QRP /p o= n 20m. Free time is tight and new ideas to experiment with seem to never st= op... :-)=0A73=0ADaniele IZ5WWB=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A= Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0AA: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: Venerd=EC 22 Giugno 2012 23:30=0AOggetto: = Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?=0A =0A=0AHi Daniele, =0A=0AI th= ink the others have already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ).=0ABut wh= at i want to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio=0Acall? I've = never heared from it so far. Or is it new?=0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A=0AAm 22= .06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tincani: =0A=0A>=0A>73 =0A>Daniele IZ5WWB = =0A> ---67346210-1211178199-1340401559=:71504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Stefan, I got a callsign in Feb this year, so it i= s pretty new. Only little activity on VHF repeaters so far, plus plans for = attempting QRP /p on 20m. Free time is tight and new ideas to experiment wi= th seem to never stop... :-)
73
Daniele IZ5WWB

Da:= Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <= br> Inviato: Venerd=EC 22 = Giugno 2012 23:30
Oggetto:= Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?

=0A=0A= =0A=0A =0A=0A
=0AHi Daniele,
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=0AI think the others h= ave already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ).
=0ABut what i wan= t to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio=0Acall? I've neve= r heared from it so far. Or is it new?
=0A
=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC
=0A=
=0AAm 22.06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tincani:=0A=0A
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73
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<= /div> ---67346210-1211178199-1340401559=:71504-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D0E253800008F; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sabdw-00044W-4I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:52:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sabdv-00044N-K4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:52:31 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sabdt-0003cW-W0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:52:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q51NqSo4017465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:52:28 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q51NqSxD017069 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:52:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4FC95566.1010309@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:51:02 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7F143.7080106@psk31.plus.com> <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> <4FC921C8.9010705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <435D293248114658AC53DFB8A3C50493@Extensa> In-Reply-To: <435D293248114658AC53DFB8A3C50493@Extensa> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Peter, Am 01.06.2012 23:16, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hello Stefan, > > I use version 2.77 b13 here. > I ask it, just to be sure all 4 Spectrum labs are not pulling the SR > individual into a other direction... The actual SR of the soundcard is not changed but the correct sample rate will be calculated in the SL instance. It is like automatically adding the offset in the background.. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7aa9ad08848e488e22e0ff1d71f4ef1d Subject: Re: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438325728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fc956257abc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Peter, Am 01.06.2012 23:16, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hello Stefan, > > I use version 2.77 b13 here. > I ask it, just to be sure all 4 Spectrum labs are not pulling the SR > individual into a other direction... The actual SR of the soundcard is not changed but the correct sample rate will be calculated in the SL instance. It is like automatically adding the offset in the background.. > > Sometimes happpens something similar at my job when a cable reel > starts rolling and a colleague wants to slow it down and the other > just wants him rol quicker. > They go grumbling to each other.... :-) That sound s good! And you sit beside them and watch them, right? :-) 73, Stefan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F08FA3800008A; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbXk4-0003jf-Ex for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:54:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbXk3-0003jW-Id for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:54:43 +0100 Received: from smtp3web.tin.it ([212.216.176.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbXk1-0006tv-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:54:42 +0100 Received: from fep-mail-web-l2b.virgilio.net (212.48.20.162) by smtp3web.tin.it (8.6.023.02) id 4ECA5B5302D75750 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:54:39 +0200 Message-ID: <137b7c6a9d9.marcocadeddu@tin.it> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:54:39 +0200 (CEST) From: "marcocadeddu@tin.it" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 81.201.7.62 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear LF, I'm really thinking about stop subscription to groups and enjoy ham radio on the air.. We have still a bit of freedom and we can meet the same people in more than a group! If I have time to check on 2 reflectors is fine but sure I hate to loose time to delete a huge amount of messages.. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.216.176.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (marcocadeddu[at]tin.it) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: c8ff00257edaad8e124ab9389da9609a Subject: R: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484059040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fccbe5b3670 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear LF, I'm really thinking about stop subscription to groups and=20 enjoy ham radio on the air.. We have still a bit of freedom and we can=20 meet the same people in more than a group! If I have time to check on 2=20 reflectors is fine but sure I hate to loose time to delete a huge=20 amount of messages.. 73 CU on air Marco IK1HSS ----Messaggio=20 originale---- Da: rogerlapthorn@gmail.com Data: 4-giu-2012 2.33 PM A:=20 "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Ogg: Re:=20 LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Dear Mal, Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF=20 group? Not me.=20 Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at=20 13:17, "mal hamilton" wrote: > Reference=20 postings from G3XBM > I am concerned about items 9 and 10 > Messages=20 can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. > Sounds like a POLICE=20 state and what are the credentials of those VETTING and what is a=20 DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a different opinion or point=20 of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR > What ever happens avoid=20 him as a moderator > =20 > de g3kev > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message=20 ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan=20 Melia ; Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer ; Markus Vester ; James Moritz=20 > Sent:=20 Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM > Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE >=20 > With the latest outage (5 days already)=20 may I again suggest that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group? >=20 > In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or=20 problems with any group to which I belong or moderate. >=20 > Instead=20 they have had these advantages: > Messages can be read on the web if=20 preferred (saves cluttered in-boxes) > There is rarely a delay of more=20 than a few minutes before messages are received. > All messages are=20 archived and searchable. > Large files can be stored. > Photos can be=20 stored - 100Gigs worth. > Links can be stored/shared > Videos can be=20 stored. > Polls can be run. > Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a=20 number of moderators to speed up the process) > Difficult members can=20 be banned in exceptional circumstances. > Spam messages can be filtered > Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc) > The=20 advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot understand why=20 the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this week it is=20 surely time. >=20 > To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or=20 whatever) would take about 30 seconds and migration to it by all=20 interested members here would take about a day at most. All you need is=20 to agree a group name, who owns it, who can moderate posts and some=20 basic group ground rules/FAQs. >=20 > Please, think about it again.=20 >=20 >=20 73s > Roger G3XBM >=20 > --=20 > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http: //www.g3xbm.co.uk > https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ > http: //qss2.blogspot.com/ >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5B46D380000B1; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjITT-0002ch-CD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:13:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjITS-0002cY-Ru for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:13:38 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjITQ-0000Iu-HX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:13:37 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5PNDYlD025145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:13:36 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5PNDYZX013536 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:13:34 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE8F02F.2030304@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:11:43 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE8E412.5000909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <9B92E5E758664934B13502459785E3F5@AGB> In-Reply-To: <9B92E5E758664934B13502459785E3F5@AGB> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5PNDYlD025145 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes, in any way it would be nice again to put some focus on VLF. It's a long time ago i regularly monitored my own VLF grabber (http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html). Looks like SAQ has tuned up today for a time arround 10 UTC. The Alphas are OFF again and the noise is maybe 10 dB higher than in winther, as a maximum. I do not change the brightness between summer and winther. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 027eb28428a0ed4e20e06b28d08cfc7b Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:463900128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad14fe8f0f93cce X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes, in any way it would be nice again to put some focus on VLF. It's a=20 long time ago i regularly monitored my own VLF grabber=20 (http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html). Looks like SAQ has tuned up today for a time arround 10 UTC. The Alphas=20 are OFF again and the noise is maybe 10 dB higher than in winther, as a=20 maximum. I do not change the brightness between summer and winther. Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? How long does it take to get a full decode in that mode and what is the=20 content of the decoded message? If 4 H means 4 hours and the content is=20 a full callsign and locator (about like in WOLF) then maybe it can be=20 compared with DFCW-120? If so, i guess the range of a 1 mW ERP station=20 will be below 100 km, if conds are good (i.e. no QRN and during the gap=20 in the morning which is arround 8...11 UTC) and the RX is is typical. We know that no digimode can do miracles. However we often saw stations=20 just transmitting a few dashes. If these dashes will satisfy all, it=20 would be fine. Due to other projects (ah, i remember, it was the LF DX to VK times) i=20 stopped the local VLF experiments with the LOPT transformer. Also is=20 showed me that there is no real alternative to an air coil if a serious=20 ERP is goal. That was clear in advance but the proof was clearer than i=20 thought. As i write these lines, a small VLF flame starts to burn again. But=20 there is the MF project on the table as well... What about all the other VLF transmitting stations? We have been 7=20 (OK2BVG, OE3GHB, DF6NM, G3XIZ, DJ8WX, OE5ODL, PA3CPM, DK7FC) who passed=20 distances above 1 Lambda. Did i forget someone? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.06.2012 00:39, schrieb Graham: > Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of=20 > the UK as well ! > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > >> Mal, >> >> Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: >>> Stefan >>> This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on th= e >>> Dreamers band. >> Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due=20 >> to your higher antenna C and mains availability. >> You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. >> >>> I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with=20 >>> other >>> persuits at present. >>> >> Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large=20 >> tube. 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul=20 >> Nicholsons grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very=20 >> helpful for the first tests! >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" >>> To: >>> Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM >>> Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >>> >>> >>> >>>> VLF, >>>> >>>> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >>>> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >>>> Darmstadt,=20 >>>> http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run >>>> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >>>> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >>>> earthquake precursors. >>>> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced=20 >>>> him to >>>> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He >>>> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU=20 >>>> resources >>>> for that at the moment though. >>>> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >>>> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49HV80ST&from=3Djn49ik00wd so = it >>>> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) ev= en >>>> in summer. >>>> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF=20 >>>> event. >>>> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June=20 >>>> 2012 >>>> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to=20 >>>> extend it. >>>> >>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>> >>>> >>> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2971A3800008C; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sk0EC-0003H4-ET for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:56:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sk0EC-0003Gv-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:56:48 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sk0EA-00070F-C2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:56:46 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5RLuiNx026150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:56:44 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5RLuhM8024276 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:56:43 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEB812B.1070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:54:51 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> <007801cd548c$884a2e90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Niels, Are you still QRV? I could try in 15 minutes if you are ready.. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 27.06.2012 20:03, schrieb Niels Rask: > sure m8 i am up 4 qso qsx 502 de oz7foc > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: oz7foc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090506060704000908000803" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448758752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844feb81ca0731 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090506060704000908000803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niels, Are you still QRV? I could try in 15 minutes if you are ready.. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 27.06.2012 20:03, schrieb Niels Rask: > sure m8 i am up 4 qso qsx 502 de oz7foc > --------------090506060704000908000803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niels,

Are you still QRV? I could try in 15 minutes if you are ready..
73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 27.06.2012 20:03, schrieb Niels Rask:
sure m8 i am up 4 qso qsx 502 de oz7foc

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This is the digital version of Pitcairn Island now, with Mal as the Master's Mate .. Bread fruit anyone ? G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Ziegler" Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:07 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? > Hi Stefan, > > This is not for the LF loop tuner, which uses a 15kV vacuum > variable and is working fine. The capacitor is for a balanced, > link-coupled HF tuner. I should have marked my post as OT. > > 73 Warren > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Stefan Schfer > wrote: >> Probably, if Warren wants to have replacement parts for his transmit loop >> tuner, then he will need parts of another league. 4 kV is nothing as well >> as >> 10 A RF current in a loop is nothing :-) >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 24.06.2012 14:00, schrieb Clemens Paul: >> >>> Hi Warren, >>> >>> perhaps you might might find something suitable there: >>> http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm >>> >>> They have - among other stuff - split stator cap. kits up to >>> 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). >>> >>> >>> You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator >>> capacitor, >>> so you maybe could realize other values. >>> >>> >>> 73 >>> Clemens >>> DL4RAJ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" >>> To: "rsgb_lf_group" >>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM >>> Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? >>> >>> >>> Hello the list, >>> Has anyone had 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with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgymc-0003r7-35 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:47:50 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgymZ-0004A1-HR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:47:48 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoFAAaC4E9cHY3C/2dsb2JhbABFoAQDlUyBCA+CBAUBAQUIAQEDPA0CLAEBAwUCAQMEDQMBAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd+uUmLL4J+gxsDiBCFNJdegmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,437,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="390310597" Received: from host-92-29-141-194.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.141.194]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 14:47:39 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01cd4e22$16e51960$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003201cd4e1f$dbced390$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4ED454405DBF49DB9245AA09607234DD@TraceyPC> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:47:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx Tracy Good radio check otherwise the band is quiet at present. Back out to the fields, more hard work !! Nice day here sunny but an odd cloud drifts by 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracey Gardner To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:37 PM Subject: LF: Re: SA [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.2 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: c40596c1cc3306f1877076595a921c57 Subject: LF: Re: Re: SA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01CD4E22.168CE740" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:463095744:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054fe08373797b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CD4E22.168CE740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Tracy Good radio check otherwise the band is quiet at present. Back out to the = fields, more hard work !! Nice day here sunny but an odd cloud drifts by 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracey Gardner=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:37 PM Subject: LF: Re: SA Hello mal That's from Darlowo in Poland, a military airfield I believe and the = NDB is activated when required. It's just over 700 miles from me and is always a good signal. 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: LF: SA SA beacon audible at present on 472.5 approx. good signal g3kev No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2437/5078 - Release Date: = 06/18/12 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01CD4E22.168CE740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Tracy
Good radio check otherwise the band is quiet at = present.=20 Back out to the fields, more hard work !! Nice day here sunny but an odd = cloud=20 drifts by
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tracey Gardner
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 1:37=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: SA

Hello mal
 
That's from Darlowo in Poland, a military airfield I believe and = the NDB=20 is activated when required.
It's just over 700 miles from me and is always a good = signal.
 
73s Tracey
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 2:31=20 PM
Subject: LF: SA

SA beacon audible at present on 472.5 = approx.=20 good signal
g3kev
 

No virus found in this=20 message.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear John, LF Groups --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "John" wrote: > > Am I right in thinking that most people have transitioned to the new group > here, and that I can ask the sysop to delete the remaining addresses on > the list? [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.65 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1f795a2ee1ecd56682b47ad11969b3d3 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:420741952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608c4fcb2e874dc2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear John, LF Groups --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "John" wrote: > > Am I right in thinking that most people have transitioned to the new group > here, and that I can ask the sysop to delete the remaining addresses on > the list? At the moment, there are two RSGB LF Groups, with postings that overlap but are not the same. This is a confusing situation leaving you wondering which group to send replies to, etc. So I think one or the other needs to be deleted, I guess you have to delete the one that will upset the fewest people... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7FA15380000BE; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si4hc-0005kY-01 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:19:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si4hb-0005kP-D8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:19:11 +0100 Received: from smtp06.online.nl ([194.134.42.51]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si4hY-0005n7-85 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:19:10 +0100 Received: from smtp06.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp06.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D17C968D0 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:19:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s529d275f.adsl.wanadoo.nl [82.157.39.95]) by smtp06.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:19:07 +0200 (CEST) From: To: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:19:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120622-0, 22-06-2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp06.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Daniele, some months ago I made a broadbanded ferriterod to cope with heavy qrm on the 80 and 160m band.The ferite comes from a submarine and is specified 10KHz to 4 MHZ with a symmetrical feedingcable to a ELK675 or other receiver without a preamp.Since I don't have such a receiver I made a balanced two stage amp with 4x BD139 grounded base.The antenna copes good with the QRM on 80 and 160,it also performs very well on the MW broadcastband.In the range 200-500KHz it is sometimes better than the E-probe,below 200KHz the E-probe wins.IM is no problem but maby the noise of the amp is to high below 200KHz. The ferriterod is about750X100mm! I don't think the 12AU7 is a good choice for a low inputimpedance amp...Zinput 2X BD139 is about 3 Ohm. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.134.42.51 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 54c274b8b0f8da777e8f702c98fe24ad Subject: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD5092.BF6B73F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:360805504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fe47f1c771d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD5092.BF6B73F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Daniele, some months ago I made a broadbanded ferriterod to cope with heavy qrm on the 80 and 160m band.The ferite comes from a submarine and is specified 10KHz to 4 MHZ with a symmetrical feedingcable to a ELK675 or other receiver without a preamp.Since I don't have such a receiver I made a balanced two stage amp with 4x BD139 grounded base.The antenna copes good with the QRM on 80 and 160,it also performs very well on the MW broadcastband.In the range 200-500KHz it is sometimes better than the E-probe,below 200KHz the E-probe wins.IM is no problem but maby the noise of the amp is to high below 200KHz. The ferriterod is about750X100mm! I don't think the 12AU7 is a good choice for a low inputimpedance amp...Zinput 2X BD139 is about 3 Ohm. 73 GL Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele Tincani Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 9:42 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Hello LF, I apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was already largely debated here. I have seven of those quite known russian surplus ferrite rods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun - I'm planning to spend some time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF and/or LF-MF, suitable for outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some suggestions about is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? I found an unused 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be effectively chosen as the active device (low voltage) for such amplifier? Thank you for any feedback 73 Daniele IZ5WWB ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD5092.BF6B73F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Daniele,
 
some=20 months ago I made a broadbanded ferriterod to cope with heavy qrm on the = 80 and=20 160m band.The ferite comes from a submarine and is specified 10KHz to 4 = MHZ with=20 a symmetrical feedingcable to a ELK675 or other receiver without a = preamp.Since=20 I don't have such a receiver I made a balanced two stage amp with 4x = BD139=20 grounded base.The antenna copes good with the QRM on 80 and 160,it also = performs=20 very well on the MW broadcastband.In the range 200-500KHz it is = sometimes better=20 than the E-probe,below 200KHz the E-probe wins.IM is no problem but maby = the=20 noise of the amp is to high below 200KHz.
The=20 ferriterod is about750X100mm!
I=20 don't think the 12AU7 is a good choice for a low inputimpedance = amp...Zinput 2X=20 BD139 is about 3 Ohm.
 
73
GL
Victor
PA3FNY
 
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Daniele=20 Tincani
Verzonden: vrijdag 22 juni 2012 9:42
Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: Ferrite = broadband=20 (LF-MF) antenna?

Hello LF,
 
I apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was already = largely=20 debated here. I have seven of those quite known russian surplus = ferrite=20 rods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun - I'm planning to spend = some time=20 in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain=20 a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF and/or LF-MF, = suitable=20 for outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some suggestions = about is=20 the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in = air-core=20 broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? I found = an unused=20 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be effectively chosen as = the=20 active device (low voltage) for such amplifier?
Thank you for any feedback
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD5092.BF6B73F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B51613800009B; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SceNF-0002Sc-TX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:11:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SceNF-0002ST-Fz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:11:45 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SceNC-0002Tc-Mz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:11:44 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Jun 2012 15:11:41 -0000 Received: from p5B39564A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.86.74] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 17:11:41 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+HGukpMEKH7oNJIlE35c8TSuwWGgYlhJ6NHvfdNu MPtBjWsICZM71K Message-ID: <000901cd44bf$d7d97f10$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 17:11:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Stefan, here S>9 / SNR 20dB in 100Hz BW. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.23 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: LF: Re: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:465970496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ca4fd0c4ee04da X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, here S>9 / SNR 20dB in 100Hz BW. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:Sdostbayern,12,90006O/48,4150N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN68KJ79WJ Perseus mit Dipol 2x156m ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challenge for > your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 so > this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > ----- > E-Mail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5053 - Ausgabedatum: 06.06.2012 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0B5F43800008E; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SatYW-0000v0-4J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:00:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SatYV-0000ur-M5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:00:07 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SatYT-0006sY-Tz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:00:06 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q52J03Q8010287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:00:04 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q52J03Hm019899 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:00:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA625B.4050505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:58:35 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1338658900.90499.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338658900.90499.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete, LF, Pete, the RIG sounds good. Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well? We could try for a QSO if you like. So far i didn't see you there on the band if i remember correctly. 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: LF: LF/MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040007090002070800060406" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:423478784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fca62ee25ae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040007090002070800060406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete, LF, Pete, the RIG sounds good. Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well? We could try for a QSO if you like. So far i didn't see you there on the band if i remember correctly. 73, Stefan Am 02.06.2012 19:41, schrieb M0FMT: > The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power (depending upon > output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's > currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators > for the logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this > rig, limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could > separate the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the device I supose. > The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer > via a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the "Top" of the > transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon insulating > washers throught the wall and straight up to the 8inch ribbed > glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope to a 24foot mast (soon > to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long earthing wires. > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > --------------040007090002070800060406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete, LF,

Pete, the RIG sounds good. Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well? We could try for a QSO if you like. So far i didn't see you there on the band if i remember correctly.

73, Stefan

Am 02.06.2012 19:41, schrieb M0FMT:
 
The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power (depending upon output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for the logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the device I supose.
The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer via a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the "Top" of the transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon insulating washers throught the wall and straight up  to the 8inch ribbed glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope to a 24foot mast (soon to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long earthing wires.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Have you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not sure if it is the same on both ends? I would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both ends. Mike G3JVL Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4a8faa6952847c1ec651f883b63fc053 Subject: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD5643.11EFD3E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498498368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fee1878509e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD5643.11EFD3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Stefan Have you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not sure if it is the same on both ends? I would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both ends. Mike G3JVL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Schfer Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try... -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 Von: Stefan Schfer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473 kHz. It is available at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbaute ile.html (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very high. See the image: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%2 0473%20kHz.png So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jp g which shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2433.1.1/5098 - Release Date: 06/29/12 07:34:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CD5643.11EFD3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan=20
Have=20 you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not sure if = it is=20 the same on both ends?
I=20 would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both = ends.
Mike=20 G3JVL
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From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan=20 Sch=E4fer
Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27
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Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed,=20 mechanical filters

4th try...

--------=20 Original-Nachricht --------=20
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-heide= lberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

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Hi Mal / LF + MF

Think that WSPR for Beacon and JT65 for QSO  also Intresting for Tests on MF.
My Friend Martin make Test's in WSPR in Moment, Hope to try my first QSO with Him.

best Regard's to All on The New Band or LF

73'
Herbert DG3MDE

Gesendet: Samstag, 16. Juni 2012 um 15:58 Uhr
Von: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
An: rsgb <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Betreff: LF: amtor 473
MF
Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been associated with marine communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the new band. Get your PK232  and KAM tnc's out and ready.
 
de mal/g3kev
 


  

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--refeiks-b6513796-1cb2-4ba8-826d-b866c55ed07b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EE88838000081; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgtsA-0002pn-GS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:33:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgts9-0002pe-WC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:33:13 +0100 Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.169.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sgts7-00028t-Vt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:33:12 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5J8X7ji031866 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:33:07 -0400 Received: from core-dle004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dle004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.166.141]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B9E3BE000081 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:33:07 -0400 (EDT) References: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: f4dtl@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 36445 - BASIC Received: from 90.84.146.194 by webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.85) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:33:07 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF1C0D496BC967-1910-1C5BE@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [90.84.146.194] Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:33:07 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1340094787; bh=QOXq1CihoLwJW/Xw6Ye9w/voi4+5DStpH2w4zBsk0n8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ArZemoU5rcMC3jK7uHNQofK01rjkmRiXUt3V3U1f/taGCICyOszuPps0sz9Q8ISCB 9Ns2e5zHzDD4v9etdxCUnC7frEb9s/p7bEg1HCkJvGwwfYzKw4tvoAnncubjSaMreG 2vlmSAFZC1wpAKbGKy3acgmShC/u7GEv+X+CfQJk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:384884288:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: We will remind you of the Grimeton Radio/SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz, CW, with the Alexanderson alternator on Sunday July 1, 2012 ,“Alexanderson Day”, at 09:00 UTC and 12:00 UTC.  We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before message. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.169.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (f4dtl[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 7574eaf38ab90cf371fa9661dd9329b0 Subject: LF: SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz,CW Sunday July 1, 2012 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF1C0D4977B04C_1910_5A5BD_webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_70_80, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:433526944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m017.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fe039973883 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF1C0D4977B04C_1910_5A5BD_webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" We will remind you of the Grimeton Radio/SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz, CW,= with the Alexanderson alternator on Sunday July 1, 2012 ,=E2=80=9CAlexande= rson Day=E2=80=9D, at 09:00 UTC and 12:00 UTC. =C2=A0 We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before message. The radio station is open to visitors. There will be activity on amateur radio frequencies with the call "SK6SAQ" = from 09:15 to 11:30 UTC and 12:15 to 13:00 UTC. =C2=A0 Any of following frequencies: - 14.035 kHz CW - 14.215 kHz SSB =C2=A0 >From 07:00 UTC also on: -=C2=A0=C2=A0 3.755 kHz SSB =C2=A0 QSL-reports are kindly received: =C2=A0 - E-mail to: info@alexander.n.se =C2=A0 - or fax to: +46-340-674195 =C2=A0 - or via: SM bureau =C2=A0 - or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios Vaenner, =C2=A0 Radiostationen=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 Grimeton 72 =C2=A0 SE-432 98 GRIMETON, SWEDEN (NB: new address) =C2=A0 Also read our web site: www.alexander.n.se =C2=A0 Yours Lars Kalland SM6NM ----------MB_8CF1C0D4977B04C_1910_5A5BD_webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
We will remind you of the Grimeton Radio/SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz, = CW, with the Alexanderson alternator on Sunday July 1, 2012 ,=E2=80=9CAlexanderson Day=E2=80=9D, = at 09:00 UTC and <= SPAN style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-GB" lang=3DEN-GB>12:00 UTC.
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We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before message.
The radio station is open to visitors.
There will be activity on amateur radio frequencies with the call "SK6SAQ" from 09:15 to 11:30 UTC an= d 12:15 to 13:00 UTC.
&nb= sp;
Any of following frequencies:
- 14.035 kHz CW
- 14.215 kHz SSB
 
From 07:00 UTC also on:
-   3.755 kHz SSB
&nb= sp;
QSL-reports are kindly received:
&nb= sp;
- E= -mail to: info@alexander.n.se<= /FONT>
&nb= sp;
- or fax to: +46-340-674195
&nb= sp;
- or via: SM bureau
&nb= sp;
- or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios Vaenner,
  Radiostationen       &n= bsp;            = ;      
  Gri= meton 72
  SE-432 98 GRIMETON, S= WEDEN (NB: new address)
 
Als= o read our web site: www.alexa= nder.n.se
&nb= sp;
Yours
Lars Kalland
SM6NM
----------MB_8CF1C0D4977B04C_1910_5A5BD_webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2FEB338000134; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfyDX-0008Ji-E7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:59:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfyDW-0008JZ-Jl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:59:26 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfyDU-0003KU-D4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:59:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P6zP1j0034U6hVe036zPi3; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:59:23 +0200 Message-ID: <3320CE2FC7164785BFE50ABBF7EE3C6F@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8146402EAAE443729F66C932F047B78D@AGB> <4FDCC7A4.6080608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1728F969CC6A46E9B1579E8818B344EB@AGB> <4FDCCFE5.30905@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDCCFE5.30905@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:59:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-0, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: FB, Stef, Will tune to 477k now ,only a few hours of day light , signals should start to show qsb soon as the skip starts , will leave the Rx on 477 to may be 2300 gmt 2400 local time .. Still same s/n from >> 18:44 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4007433f91838c822ced221546b88d5a Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0138_01CD4BFA.865C1020" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451581888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054fdcd7d825ce X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01CD4BFA.865C1020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FB, Stef, Will tune to 477k now ,only a few hours of day light , signals = should start to show qsb soon as the skip starts , will leave = the Rx on 477 to may be 2300 gmt 2400 local time .. Still same s/n from >> 18:44 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB GL . G..=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:26 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft OK. Give me some time, i will consider... Still no signal in Delft. Seems they use a band filter centered arround = 505 kHz. Maybe i'm some dB down there... 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 20:04, schrieb Graham:=20 OK Stefan, well all you need is to send carrier on ( 477KHz + 1700 = Hz) =3D 478.700 KHz , use Opera set to 500KHz OP4 mode Tx = and after 4 mins , you will have a s/n report from all tuned to = 477 KHz : ) 17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB =20 G.. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now, = works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW. Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First = tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals. = It's slowly starting here now. I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... = I still have no idea about MF propagation... Exciting! :-) 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham:=20 Ok Stefan ,=20 What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the = RX to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly = into io83lk hihi 73 -G..=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,=20 Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM = to extend the range... Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:=20 Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range = .... ! Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise = .should work ?=20 G..=20 http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01CD4BFA.865C1020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FB, Stef,
 
Will  tune to 477k   now ,only  a  = few  hours=20 of  day light  , signals should  start to =  show =20 qsb  soon  as the  skip  starts , will  leave = the =20 Rx on  477  to  may be  2300 = gmt    =20 2400 local  time ..
 
Still  =20 same  s/n  from  >> 18:44 500 DK8KW Op4 -29=20 dB
 
GL . G..
 

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:26 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft

OK. Give me some time, i will consider...
Still no = signal in=20 Delft. Seems they use a band filter centered arround 505 kHz. Maybe i'm = some dB=20 down there...

73, Stefan

Am 16.06.2012 20:04, schrieb = Graham:=20
OK  Stefan,
 
well   all  you  need  is to   = send  carrier  on   ( 477KHz  + 1700 = Hz)  =3D=20    478.700 KHz  , use  Opera  set to  = 500KHz=20   OP4  mode Tx   and  after  4 mins ,  = you=20 will  have  a  s/n report  from  all  = tuned=20 to  477 KHz  : )
 

17:53 500 DK8KW=20 Op4 -29 dB  

 
G..
 

From: Stefan Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW = key input=20 now, works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a = bit=20 CW.
Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active = antenna. First=20 tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur = signals. It's=20 slowly starting here now.
I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but=20 saw/heared nothing in Delft... I still have no idea about MF=20 propagation...
Exciting! :-)

73, Stefan

Am 16.06.2012 = 18:21,=20 schrieb Graham:=20
Ok Stefan ,
 
What mode  are  sending  ? opera ?  = If =20 so  then   I will   set the  RX = to =20 477  as  well  , Im sure  some  = signal =20 will  leak   directly into  io83lk  = hihi
 
73 -G..

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,

Most useful = link! I=20 forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the=20 range...

Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or = so.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:=20
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the =20 Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  = and =20 477  via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  = 500/477  ,=20 but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/
<= /BLOCKQUOTE>
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Content preview: Hi Stefan, 01:10z 73 Andrey [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [94.100.176.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rn3agc[at]mail.ru) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.1 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 1a92164900c4e119399f770c0cc93934 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4AEF.1FBF91E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81529 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427174272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m254.2 ; domain : mail.ru DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4094fdaeda22b4f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4AEF.1FBF91E0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Stefan, 01:10z 73 Andrey ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD4AEF.1FBF91E0 Content-Type: image/png; name="120615-dk7fc.png" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="120615-dk7fc.png" 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Content preview: Mal All that useful info could be put on File on Yahoo group reflector and we would all know. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 14:53 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.231 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d0d76c369792b807e0925732d18ad9b1 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-165052591-1339082179=:2504" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497789088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d251.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fd0c5f15f28 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-165052591-1339082179=:2504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AMal=0AAll that useful info could be put on File on Yahoo group reflec= tor and we would all know.=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A___________= _____________________=0A From: mal hamilton =0ATo: r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 14:53=0ASubject= : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz=0A =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0AThere are several countr= ies in EU active on 500 Khz CW at =0Apresent. =0AThe info has been posted i= n the past=C2=A0 when countries =0Abecame active. Check the reflector daily= for more info. =0AG, GI, =C2=A0EA. ON, SQ, EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, LA OZ, 9H, = =0APA0, S52, DL4, YO, OH, =0AThat is all that I remember working so far bu= t maybe i =0Ahave missed some, must check my log. These stations are all ac= tive on normal CW =0Afrom around EU and there are others worldwide like W a= nd VE plus =0Aothers. =0Ade mal/g3kev =0A=0A----- Original Message ----- = =0A>From: manginbenoit.pro =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent:= Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:49 AM =0A>Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz = =0A>=0A>Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) granti= ng=C2=A0MF access to the amateur service so fast ?=0A>=0A>We in France =0A = still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our tutelage administrat= ion. =0A Or maybe am I not well =0Ainformed.=0A>=0A>73=0A>=0A>Ben=C2=A0=0A= >=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>> Message du 07/06/12 13:16=0A>>> De : "mal hamilton"= =0A>>> A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0A>>> =0A Copie =C3=A0 : =0A>>>= Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A Stefan=0A>>> I have ha= d QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also EI0CF =0A many times during= =0A>>> the winter months.=0A>>> I work QSO mode only =0A and no beacons.= =0A>>> I have also had some QSO'S with Russian stations, =0A they call m= e on 7033 and I=0A>>> reply on 502 normally although I have vfo =0A cont= rol.=0A>>> I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 but not =0A = SLOWER=0A>>> When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will end next= =0A January=0A>>> Mal/g3kev=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> ----- Original Message = =0A -----=0A>>> From: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer" =0A>>> To: =0A>>> Sent: Thur= sday, =0A June 07, 2012 10:45 AM=0A>>> Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz= =0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> > Hi Joe, LF,=0A>>> >=0A>>> > Yes, we're here =0A o= f course :-)=0A>>> > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX =0A = is home made and vy=0A>>> > narrow band. But i'm going to have a =0A = suitable RX in some time.=0A>>> > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz =0A al= locations. What happens to them when=0A>>> > the new 475 kHz band =0A be= comes permitted? Will you have an extended=0A>>> > frequency range =0A t= hen or will you have to QSY?=0A>>> > And what about the chances of =0A t= his band? How easy is a TA detection?=0A>>> > Would it be possible to =0A = have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance?=0A>>> > It would be possible = =0A for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however=0A>>> > with a 1W = =0A (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem...=0A>>> =0A = >=0A>>> > 73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A>>> >=0A>>> >=0A>>> > Am =0A 07.06.2012 = 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:=0A>>> > >=0A>>> > > =0A Hopefully someone = will read this on Baa Baa....=0A>>> > >=0A>>> =0A > > The beacon is runn= ing on a new frequency with a CW ID and=0A>>> =0A > > a 10 second carrie= r. Reports most welcomed.=0A>>> > =0A >=0A>>> > > 73=0A>>> > > Joe VO1NA= =0A>>> > =0A >=0A>>> > > This electronic communication is governed by th= e =0A terms and conditions at=0A>>> > >=0A>>> =0A http://www.mun.ca/c= c/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php=0A>>> =0A > >= =0A>>> >=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> --435439028-165052591-1339082179=:2504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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All that useful info could be put on File on Yahoo group reflector and we would all know.
73 es= GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktal= k.net>
To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 14:53
Subject:= Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz

=EF=BB=BF=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A
=0A
There are several countries in EU active on 500 Khz CW at =0Apresent.=
=0A
The info has been posted in the p= ast  when countries =0Abecame active. Check the reflector daily for mo= re info.
=0A
G, GI,  EA. ON, SQ, = EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, LA OZ, 9H, =0APA0, S52, DL4, YO, OH,
=0AThat is all that I remember working so far but mayb= e i =0Ahave missed some, must check my log. These stations are all active o= n normal CW =0Afrom around EU and there are others worldwide like W and VE = plus =0Aothers.
=0A
de mal/g3kev
=0A
 
=0A
= =0A
----- Original Message -----
=0A =0A =0A
Sent: Thursday, June 0= 7, 2012 11:49 =0A AM
=0A
Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 5= 04.1 kHz
=0A

Are there other EU countries (apart from = the British Isles) =0A granting MF access to the amateur service so f= ast ?

We in France =0A still did not hear even the smallest whisper= from our tutelage administration. =0A Or maybe am I not well =0Ainformed.=

73

Ben 




=0A
> =0A Message du 07/06/= 12 13:16
> De : "mal hamilton"
> A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> =0A= Copie =C3=A0 :
> Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
>
>= ; =0A Stefan
> I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic als= o EI0CF =0A many times during
> the winter months.
> I work = QSO mode only =0A and no beacons.
> I have also had some QSO'S wit= h Russian stations, =0A they call me on 7033 and I
> reply on 502 = normally although I have vfo =0A control.
> I work on CW and if co= ndx get difficult I work QRS3 but not =0A SLOWER
> When the new ba= nd starts the old 500 khz band will end next =0A January
> Mal/g3k= ev
>
>
> ----- Original Message =0A -----
> Fr= om: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, =0A June= 07, 2012 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
> =0A =
>
> > Hi Joe, LF,
> >
> > Yes, we're he= re =0A of course :-)
> > Unfortunately i still cannot receive o= n MF. My RX =0A is home made and vy
> > narrow band. But i'm go= ing to have a =0A suitable RX in some time.
> > BTW, what about= all the 500 kHz =0A allocations. What happens to them when
> >= the new 475 kHz band =0A becomes permitted? Will you have an extended> > frequency range =0A then or will you have to QSY?
> &g= t; And what about the chances of =0A this band? How easy is a TA detecti= on?
> > Would it be possible to =0A have a CW QSO over that 440= 0 km distance?
> > It would be possible =0A for me to radiate 1= kW ERP on that band, however
> > with a 1W =0A (EIRP of course= ) limitation, this may become a problem...
> =0A >
> >= 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> >
> >
> > Am =0A 07.06.20= 12 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:
> > >
> > > =0A = Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa....
> > >
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--435439028-165052591-1339082179=:2504-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2711038000097; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfDUK-0007fH-Eh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:05:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfDUK-0007f7-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:05:40 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfDUI-0001ol-G1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:05:38 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq0GAFgZ2k9cF/A+/2dsb2JhbABFg0GcJwOVUIEIgg8EFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEGAR05AQQaBiQdAQICAQGHfphSoTaRQwOIDoUyl12CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,411,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="384579341" Received: from host-92-23-240-62.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.62]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jun 2012 18:05:36 +0100 Message-ID: <006b01cd4a4f$ea9b98f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:05:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Now QAP es QRV on 500 Khz es QSX 472 search in between manufacturing my own charcoal for BBQ. The recently purchased charcoal does not meet my standards, ie dust and small chips and high price. de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 1708620d3ce65bee0beaaede7929769a Subject: LF: 500 es Charcoal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD4A4F.EA4848D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:269037856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4fda1a114298 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD4A4F.EA4848D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now QAP es QRV on 500 Khz es QSX 472 search in between manufacturing my = own charcoal for BBQ. The recently purchased charcoal does not meet my = standards, ie dust and small chips and high price.=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD4A4F.EA4848D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now QAP es QRV on 500 Khz es QSX 472 search in = between=20 manufacturing my own charcoal for BBQ. The recently purchased charcoal = does not=20 meet my standards, ie dust and small chips and high price.
 
de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD4A4F.EA4848D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E43C238000105; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjwa7-0002aZ-GO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:03:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjwa6-0002aQ-OZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:03:10 +0100 Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjwa5-0006Is-2G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:03:09 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=mail.dk; s=201207; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@mail.dk; t=1340820188; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Reply-To:X-TDCLU:X-TDC-Sender-From-IP:X-TDCCM:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=UUS9K7Wk1hz627MDcPnongPMbzdwem9nAw345wsptBk=; b=iUtU7S84+tjYnrgvqtSYiMMeTuc4lMBcP4Kl3txiVHjbn5Fw45fQNm/6UNu+ViR3 sjVVHrzoPfJhoFUIkM0s4w==; X-TDCO-HELO: oz7foc X-TDC-Sender-From-IP: 80.162.212.91 X-TDCCM: v=2.0 cv=JqpGZInO c=1 sm=0 a=2xLUAJHh/5GXj+iJBlPxmQ==:17 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=AJqwfebdmDb1zCp2fY8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=Xi3DQ3w6hQgyC-WUzooA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=2xLUAJHh/5GXj+iJBlPxmQ==:117 X-TDCLU: MTIwMTAxNDE5Mjcw Received: from [80.162.212.91] ([80.162.212.91:59312] helo=oz7foc) by fep43.mail.dk (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.50 r()) with ESMTPA id 85/15-24628-BDA4BEF4; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:03:07 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Niels Rask" To: References: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> <007801cd548c$884a2e90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:03:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: sure m8 i am up 4 qso qsx 502 de oz7foc ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: oz7foc Hi Niels We have worked many times before but thought u would like a QSO qsx on the new band I can hear u daytime as well as nite [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.41.46.226 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d0d76c369792b807e0925732d18ad9b1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: oz7foc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0508_01CD548F.1EE87620" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:478003392:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m011.2 ; domain : mail.dk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884feb4b163305 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0508_01CD548F.1EE87620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sure m8 i am up 4 qso qsx 502 de oz7foc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: oz7foc Hi Niels We have worked many times before but thought u would like a QSO qsx on = the new band I can hear u daytime as well as nite 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Niels Rask=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:59 AM Subject: LF: Re: oz7foc mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 rx on 472,5 and 502 de oz7foc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: LF: oz7foc I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on = this band I can hear ur CQ on 472.5=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0508_01CD548F.1EE87620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sure m8 i am up 4 qso qsx 502 de=20 oz7foc
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 = 5:44=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: = oz7foc

Hi Niels
We have worked many times before but thought u = would=20 like a QSO qsx on the new band
I can hear u daytime as well as = nite
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Niels Rask =
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, = 2012 5:59=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: oz7foc

mal i trye this eve agn, tx 472,5 = rx on 472,5=20 and 502 de oz7foc
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, = 2012 7:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: oz7foc

I am calling you on 502 but you do not = seem to be=20 listening on this band
I can hear ur CQ on 472.5
 
 
de mal/g3kev
=
 
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Terry es Co
 
Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Google maps = then.
G3KEV/VR4MC
 
 .
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 20 Jun 2012, at 09:59, mal hamilton wrote: > When you call an ex class B on cw he does not reply because he never learned morse code. Mal, Thats not quite true. I know 'B Class" who send very good CW. They might be in the minority though. I also have heard some G3's with the same problem. One famously through his key out of the shack window when he got his ticket!!! 73, Clive g8poc [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 2e2f7cbbe9f38dd7bf3fac4fc012e6fc Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_158BCF81-38FA-4E0E-83E0-0E0311ED47EB" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461066112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584fe1a9600dc1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail=_158BCF81-38FA-4E0E-83E0-0E0311ED47EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 20 Jun 2012, at 09:59, mal hamilton wrote: > When you call an ex class B on cw he does not reply because he never = learned morse code.=20 Mal, Thats not quite true. I know 'B Class" who send very good CW. They might be in the minority though. I also have heard some G3's with the same problem. One famously through = his key out of the shack window when he got his ticket!!! 73, Clive g8poc= --Apple-Mail=_158BCF81-38FA-4E0E-83E0-0E0311ED47EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On 20 Jun 2012, at 09:59, mal hamilton wrote:

 When you call an ex class B on cw he does not reply because he never learned morse code. 

Mal, Thats not quite true. I know 'B Class" who send very good CW.
They might be in the minority though.
I also have heard some G3's with the same problem. One famously through his key out of the shack window when he got his ticket!!!
73,
Clive g8poc
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Content preview: Thanks Pete, No reports yet so will try again tonight/tomorrow morning. 73 Joe VO1NA [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:516908704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fd108396ea3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thanks Pete, No reports yet so will try again tonight/tomorrow morning. 73 Joe VO1NA On Thu, 7 Jun 2012, M0FMT wrote: > Yes Joe some of us chickens are still in the hen house.......... :o) =A0 My set up is not good enough for TA but good luck with the transmission.=A0 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ________________________________ From: "jcraig@mun.ca" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 1:15 Subject: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and a 10 second carrier.=A0 Reports most welcomed. 73 Joe VO1NA This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1B01F38000093; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skxor-0006hL-Ui for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:34:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skxor-0006hC-As for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:34:37 +0100 Received: from nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.59]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skxop-0005xt-D0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:34:36 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 13:34:34 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.225] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 13:34:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2012 13:34:34 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=btopenworld.com Result=Signature OK X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 326749.2766.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 22519 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2012 13:34:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=tlbswMpKAOY3nL+3SRy9vhZMw7TrGMxxTCgvgsBd4zJUMhjAUqf0N/w9btGk6SyhXJCc7U8NS2z3RMgTC+xj2MeM7ekp5wjM9QJDKYvUJWOI2jRukJNagTyJ+CHekPcyQJMh3rB67vXqJ5Magyy7OQ3lZZRTXTJPqnfu6PojVmc= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1341063274; bh=MACL9cBsSSihN/eqoKUqYLuI/MTlF1mAnUHx3zXLv54=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=1kxLwH3GE94hIZMJODy0pfptzAlIIuDF1/ZOwC9vF+1LyUhF/9K/NjhLM1Ux1MsaCwOnm8napHGePopUFAGHhO8POnoiN4HId0/eLLxL3OobYyMDQOgGP4RJloj3FLpPvVeHreVuUAfx8Z2YyMP4FDEyToSZg16jVpXWR4OFj80= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: OaHkG1gVM1mqZqiSHTRrZL8b.mChA_16JyulveOKvYzyNW7 l6GG1FfLUpvxJ5DpWUIKl0t5HBh482Yd16Ng.TqTy256D3vcPRw0Yj14Xs5q DFuscRC.TkHRaIEzhjwyqC.X1YK39W4g2WaF2iRMrfAVGnogpEmQtbaVMmLt yEMzYfFwnpQX_6mYx4G4m7sgyafJJ6i15Hf4VNdu.tmhta7Dw4dOTW316uVQ eaiKntfTzdBgi35NvaavKAIbQu9lU97Z68sVD8.oqgJ5vOPSIGaW.CoiCJRT GSjTayJTBV.Hbwkw93zxEd6Ef3TznzB49G.NDsLC4lG7l9hkZ6ej1eYZaijU 5ZPvxSoHyLKQkf.WBEvSoVNONC0oB6zcNPlGV3ulDGQp0fA19_p0wQmROIDy TxNwm6NEtwoFIudQzzp1_bCLt0Y58ru4YkuWKi.4uMYIphHr4TYjqpbgkUwl QrmeKBLv9R9JP351SCrGHxT.FekK406hIzZ.lhsjlON9fmTpiMSoK3UcP.I_ Usp8PPUsY X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.185.202.35 with login) by smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 06:34:34 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <9D7027FC8EB24E65A26395BA5439B7A1@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <0F87F4C0AE524B1E9EA631C81D579573@gnat> <4FEE3A73.1090602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FEEF036.4020702@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEEF036.4020702@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:34:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Stefan, LF Group, >So, is a microphone effect possible? I suppose it is possible, but I don't think there are many intense accoustic sources of 473kHz, and in any case the filter assembly would have to be designed to minimise unwanted acoustic coupling between input and output, so would probably also give good protection from external sources. The ferrite transformer core in your PA is perhaps the strongest source, but I guess you won't use the PA and filter at the same time ;-) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454566848:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m271.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074fef00a94b7f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Stefan, LF Group, >So, is a microphone effect possible? I suppose it is possible, but I don't think there are many intense accoustic sources of 473kHz, and in any case the filter assembly would have to be designed to minimise unwanted acoustic coupling between input and output, so would probably also give good protection from external sources. The ferrite transformer core in your PA is perhaps the strongest source, but I guess you won't use the PA and filter at the same time ;-) >Good idea about the matching! So it is about like the input filter of >JA8SCD's LF converter: >http://icas.to/idc-136-kit/idc-136-kit-manual-eng.pdf (page 6 of 6). That's one possibility - the "dual" of that circuit has a capacitor in series with the low-Z source and a shunt capacitor across the winding - see the handbooks. >According to the data sheet, the insertion loss (Durchlassdmpfung) is < 2 >dB. So if one uses a well matched 50 Ohm transmit antenna and a RX with 50 >Ohm input, i think no additional gain is needed. If the receiver sensitivity is reasonably good (it might not be though...), you could probably allow 10 or 20dB attenuation. You could reduce the effect of impedance variations with an attenuator pad, etc. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6615738000097; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbDsL-0002Pv-Fb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:41:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbDsK-0002Pm-Po for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:41:56 +0100 Received: from nm25-vm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.109.208]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbDsI-0002Xi-Jn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:41:55 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.56] by nm25.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 16:41:53 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 16:41:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 16:41:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 478009.35437.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92369 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2012 16:41:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=NjsCeNay98vCHRBZvifj5/4deb3fPjb+rSr13mc4sjmx5TcnOIXrHsVxOypJVOfY9zyVo+FGOFLwFMyXfhSalRIzacqKoulOnQSNtKbcWkIfzabLOmqEiwMGes/JJMTfp/eo+z5GRHS0E2A+4KOOb6ivCx/kNoTW2wQkcZdB5Lo= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1338741712; bh=V7rC1PFr8VIU0R4uZhnjbc2aD8uQs0rGc3E2MCaow0A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PxDVcosOaiPn20CepWDN7RFXEsnwsNTGj8ug/Q+s4+LQk0DVYv4ovr/nmtYY9F+mcCrfrDdsqoINe/XCm9+Hd2VkJDee75WILlkj29YWEPgBGbTraSVQ81CX+QEuQOT9wPD6kx+NLfy5ZlemdSGsSkPj5XkHgPN+tz6ZNNumPSA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: p295mAkVM1lSx_Gqd4FQo3fwwtPAiLCUYhoG.MV4TindAje oan0hElhLa.MOmRifB9BQGqte3so70Auf_8uVLiJPYRe0SpYuKAcfU_faGcR ZJmrqycIi2IjSTDhLzc4Vtv3KKTVg..YVqjGQWp_56iE1r6WitWMdo6ydW_3 HjlETPJJvuL6eWgHAIlVS8MEuHsWvZU9j5C7L0JIbYhQoaZPKxTlWudCcXOT H6ky3R.Z011TJO8E6JDT.rWBbPZKrawO5W4F8.LsGX0oeE1aGpcYDgEYEtuq zLIrmrCQ3rdbXuNgIH42nwLZSYg1YPFr8o.Hdx8s5Gxaq7LzkXaY6v7bn8.4 R7dANc3vZQTYNZWx9Il4rCkNO14WfO5p0juOU5BYCEgC.pywdt6Uwyh68tQ3 RRv8FrotKHw2KbfsnfDlNhSKMz6HltnkvmAb71MtcpBJo8Qyj8lHDKtXS.Xi bzInebT7nN5r2GwDkRwH0r.gsRvQnusO3nn4n9_4qtnNtDdRu X-Yahoo-SMTP: TSPLEfqswBCkXAu6R8U.gZB4K6usTmjOLOcEEoLxraDeRaJTpd5b1BNNnSoo Received: from DennisPC (dennis.easterling@86.177.125.216 with login) by smtp820.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 09:41:51 -0700 PDT Message-ID: From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1338656005.45326.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338656005.45326.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:41:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete Ha Ha! poetic justice as you say. I'm sorry, ha ha, that you had some unknown happening with your PC. have you found out why the PC crashed the other day. I also use opto isolators between rig and PC com port as graham suggested, but then it was to prevent earthing loops which can sometimes be a problem. Chris says he uses capacitor isolation but I am not sure how he manages that as PTT requires a constant connection to earth while sending, and a capacitor connection would only have been transient. Perhaps he uses some sort on/off gating, but we were on CW so did not have much time to go into it. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.208 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d4b11820086e28e9e085cef3e7768d06 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CD41A7.C59B8520" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:511987648:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m020.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4094fcb9408528b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CD41A7.C59B8520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete Ha Ha! poetic justice as you say. I'm sorry, ha ha, that you had some = unknown happening with your PC. have you found out why the PC crashed = the other day. I also use opto isolators between rig and PC com port = as graham suggested, but then it was to prevent earthing loops which can = sometimes be a problem. Chris says he uses capacitor isolation but I = am not sure how he manages that as PTT requires a constant connection to = earth while sending, and a capacitor connection would only have been = transient. Perhaps he uses some sort on/off gating, but we were on CW = so did not have much time to go into it. I intend to have another go with 'Opera' shortly, but have to fit it = between my other jobs. Today, after an hour viewing the the Thames pagent, and another on = 500kHz, I managed to get back to organising the cupboard shack. With = terminations fitted I am nearly ready to start testing the remote setup, = perhaps tomorrow. Will listen out for you on VHF tomorrow. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 4:53 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Yes Dennis=20 A lot on nice amateurs shifted frequency to give me a report which was = nice. Well the application would not pick up a com port, the window was just = blank, and try as I might the damn thing wouldn't connect. I played = around with the port USB numbers in application manager but nothing = worked....... left it over night and all is well in the morning ..... = you tell me?=20 Oh and while we are on. Is this what you refered to during our = QSO........ "Maybe get Dennis on as well....... I have reservations = about encouraging Dennis with computers after the VAC debacle! " The dictionary definition is ... A sudden, disastrous collapse, = downfall, or defeat; a rout. A total, often ludicrous failure. Which of the above definitions don't you agree with? .......... hee = hee sorry Dennis .... If I mention any one in a mail I usually CC them = it's only descent. But I thought you would grab hold of that ..... :-)=20 Anyway you will smile when you hear that I have just dropped a full = cup of tea on the carpet while answering this ...... Poetic Justice? Opera is a form of CW and as such deserves a look at like FSK but = probably narrower that 20c/s at the keying rate used. I have some = comparisons and a method of calculating the band width of CW somewhere I = reckons it's very narrow. =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: DENNIS EASTERLING To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 17:24 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =EF=BB=BF=20 Hi Pete Been busy and did not read your emails until it was too late, but = judging by reports it looks good, though pity about PC crash. It seems = that you sorted out the opera keying, I wonder what was wrong before? 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:21 AM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CD41A7.C59B8520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Pete
 
Ha Ha! poetic justice as you = say.   =20 I'm sorry, ha ha, that you had some unknown happening with your = PC.  =20 have you found out why the PC crashed the other day.   I also = use opto=20 isolators between rig and PC com port as graham suggested, but then = it was to prevent earthing loops which can sometimes be a=20 problem.   Chris says he uses capacitor isolation but I am not = sure=20 how he manages that as PTT requires a constant connection to earth while = sending, and a capacitor connection would only have been = transient.  =20 Perhaps he uses some sort on/off gating, but we were on CW so did not = have much=20 time to go into it.
 
I intend to have another go with = 'Opera' shortly,=20 but have to fit it between my other jobs.
 
Today, after an hour viewing the the = Thames pagent,=20 and another on 500kHz, I managed to get back to organising the cupboard=20 shack.   With terminations fitted I am nearly ready to start = testing=20 the remote setup, perhaps tomorrow.
 
Will listen out for you on VHF=20 tomorrow.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 = 4:53=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on = 501.59kc/s=20 USB RX dial

Yes Dennis
 
A lot on nice amateurs shifted frequency to give me a = report which=20 was nice.
 
Well the application would not pick up a com port, the = window was=20 just blank, and try as I might the damn thing wouldn't connect. I = played=20 around with the port USB numbers in application manager but nothing=20 worked....... left it over night and all is well in the = morning =20 ..... you tell me? 
 
Oh and while we are on. Is this what you refered to = during our=20 QSO........ "Maybe get Dennis on as well....... I have reservations = about=20 encouraging Dennis with computers after the VAC debacle! = "
 
The dictionary definition is ... A sudden, disastrous = collapse,=20 downfall, or defeat; a rout. A total, often ludicrous=20 failure.
 
Which of the above definitions don't you agree with? = .......... hee=20 hee sorry Dennis .... If I mention any one in a mail I usually CC them = it's=20 only descent.  But I thought you would grab hold of that .....=20 :-) 
 
Anyway you will smile when you hear that I have just = dropped a full=20 cup of tea on the carpet while answering this ...... Poetic=20 Justice?
 
Opera is a form of CW and as such deserves a look at like = FSK but=20 probably narrower that 20c/s at the keying rate used. I have some = comparisons=20 and a method of calculating the band width of CW somewhere I reckons = it's very=20 narrow.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 <dennis.easterling@btinternet.com>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 17:24
Subject: LF: = Re: beacon=20 on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

=EF=BB=BF=20
Hi Pete
 
Been busy and did not read your = emails until it=20 was too late, but judging by reports it looks good, though pity about = PC=20 crash.   It seems that you sorted out the opera keying, I = wonder=20 what was wrong before?
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT =
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:21 AM Subject:=20 LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB = RX dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20 =


------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CD41A7.C59B8520-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2503838000096; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjJ2T-0002zl-0t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:49:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjJ2S-0002zc-Kn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:49:48 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjJ2Q-0000Sf-Nz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:49:47 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5PNnkEs032396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:49:46 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5PNnjsS014603 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:49:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE8F8AB.6000505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:47:55 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE8F6FE.4030409@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE8F6FE.4030409@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5PNnkEs032396 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: And BTW, the TF3HZ grabber seems to be back from its summer break. Excellent reception this night again at http://simnet.is/halldorgudmunds/TF3HZ_LFgrabber/ Thanks Halldór. 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 59677119386dcf9f1872cb454dc1331d Subject: LF: TF3HZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454349088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fe8f94f7cae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none And BTW, the TF3HZ grabber seems to be back from its summer break.=20 Excellent reception this night again at=20 http://simnet.is/halldorgudmunds/TF3HZ_LFgrabber/ Thanks Halld=F3r. 73, Stefan Am 26.06.2012 01:40, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > LF! > > Once again, braving the summer hole, i'm transmitting over night on=20 > 136.172 kHz in DFCW-90. Still hoping to leave some traces in that mode=20 > in YV. The days become longer here again now! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 15E40380000A5; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Saqx6-0007nm-9p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:13:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Saqx5-0007nd-GP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:13:19 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Saqx3-00069m-BR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:13:18 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q52GDGJ9019972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:13:16 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q52GDFkx014844 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:13:15 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA3B44.2020703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:11:48 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete, Maybe its worth to spend a common mode choke or an optocoupler between PA and PC? You may try just to key the TX with the PC via an optocoupler. Should be no problem with Opera, as Graham states... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3d5b8cd6516ff44ac46de53952029be0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060908010202080303050101" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481177984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4fca3bec2624 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060908010202080303050101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q52GDGJ9019972 Hi Pete, Maybe its worth to spend a common mode choke or an optocoupler between=20 PA and PC? You may try just to key the TX with the PC via an=20 optocoupler. Should be no problem with Opera, as Graham states... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 02.06.2012 14:33, schrieb M0FMT: > Thanks Paul > Graham is right about QRG. > My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer=20 > (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking. > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > *From:* Graham > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12 > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial > > could be 503.275 ? +/- a bit ! > G. > > *From:* Clemens Paul > *Sent:* Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Cc:* rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 > > *Subject:* LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial > > >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting > What is the actual tx qrg then? > Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* M0FMT > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM > *Subject:* LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial > > Hi All > > Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. > Temporary QRG. > > 73 Pete FMT > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > E-Mail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: > 01.06.2012 > > > --------------060908010202080303050101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete,

Maybe its worth to spend a common mode choke or an optocoupler between PA and PC? You may try just to key the TX with the PC via an optocoupler. Should be no problem with Opera, as Graham states...

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 02.06.2012 14:33, schrieb M0FMT:
Thanks Paul
 
Graham is right about QRG.
 
My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

could be   503.275  ?   +/-   a bit  !
 
G.

Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 
E-Mail ist virenfrei.
Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de
Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012


--------------060908010202080303050101-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4E0FB38000094; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShUGL-0005d7-Eq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:24:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShUGK-0005cy-Pz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:24:36 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShUGH-0007fB-GF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:24:35 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.21.82]) by mwinf5d07 with ME id QnQU1j0081mFXqS03nQVzy; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:24:31 +0200 Message-ID: <628204E33FFD4C5E9822611C22F3F52D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <002501cd4f3a$bb772ea0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <002501cd4f3a$bb772ea0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:24:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120620-1, 20/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ive got a 1970's 5 Guilder note if that's any good ? You need to look out for the chip number that's being used , its used in various brands , check the posted lists for the latest info , Pete may have the info you need ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 852e9a9ee930056348c0102e6df31911 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0172_01CD4F44.385FB820" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459403744:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fe25be50cf8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0172_01CD4F44.385FB820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ive got a 1970's 5 Guilder note if that's any good ? =20 You need to look out for the chip number that's being used , = its used in various brands , check the posted lists for the = latest info , Pete may have the info you need ? G. From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:16 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Not long. Heard the Lira was making a comeback in Italy. Your =C2=A35 = stick costs 3,784,227 Lira also in some parts of Ireland they are using = the Punt again in some shops.=20 I have found on holidays in EU they like the US$ and the British =C2=A3 = and give a good rate of exchange.=20 I might try one of the TV digi sticks, which is the best brand de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app and = ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 = (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from = UK source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter = 60meg O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator = 5v into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no = sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the = USB supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 = http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR = software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the = programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting = software for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to = get started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link to = sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time = to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0172_01CD4F44.385FB820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ive  got  a  1970's  5 Guilder note  if=20 that's  any  good ? 
 
You  need to  look  out  for the  = chip =20 number  that's  being  used  , its  used in=20 various  brands  , check the  posted  lists  = for =20 the  latest  info  , Pete  may  have the =20 info  you  need  ?
 
G.

Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:16 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Not long. Heard the Lira was making a comeback = in Italy.=20 Your =C2=A35 stick costs 3,784,227 Lira also in some parts of Ireland = they are using=20 the Punt again in some shops.
I have found on holidays in EU they like the US$ = and the=20 British =C2=A3 and give a good rate of exchange.
I might try one of the TV digi sticks, which is = the best=20 brand
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 = 6:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

Hi=20 all
Save=20 those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they will = be around. Try=20 HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  BorIP=20 app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) = DVB-T USB=20 stick. =
These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to = =C2=A310 from UK source=20 and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T = osc the=20 cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 = or=20 similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX = with DC to=20 UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.=20
Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital = TV=20 stations with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s=20 not enough all your local FM BC as well.  Not a lot of people know=20 that!
URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 =
https://= www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6dd= o/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You=20 won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. = :0)
Yy=20 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, = 20 June=20 2012, 18:40
Subject: Re: LF:=20 SDR programs

Hi Piotr,

Thanks for the = overview of=20 programs. That's what i searched for.
But maybe i have expressed = wrongly=20 what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not = only for=20 IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ = and=20 mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus = :-) )=20 answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i=20 think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi Stefan, = LF
>=20
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The primary = supporting=20 software for all their sdr  hardware is Spectravue.
> you = can=20 download this program from the rfspace site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult=20 to get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it = you will=20 like it:)
>
> on a "support" page of = www.rfspace.com  you=20 will also find a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
>
>  = they have a=20 very powerful radio console which looks like a regular transceiver = front=20 side
>  It has many many different options - of course, it = does=20 take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather = easy..
>=20
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and=20 easy to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr = software=20 supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of = sdr=20 programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                  =  =20                     =  =20                     =  =20         yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: = Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0172_01CD4F44.385FB820-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A919C3800008C; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgLkG-0007QX-9L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:06:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgLkF-0007QO-1q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:06:47 +0100 Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.192]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgLkC-0008H8-Q7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:06:45 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2012 20:06:43 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2012 20:06:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2012 20:06:43 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=btopenworld.com Result=Signature OK X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 751249.74345.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16449 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2012 20:06:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=eUZPaVoRsGJkx5kXsGAXctZdaTqbgm6m6YMKJLiA5U4VhW6hZB14EA3E0/UZYQnfPRaaz6vGcSV9Q2G3VcmiuwALE1woOv6ROIxt0mWEpm12xaRj2RyyDh4bcBIYs+jYUdIA+D6NjdP86Zzakqk42nAgD4v8WkMB1CYlf+vvEyQ= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1339963603; bh=5MFRLLj3SJ2t3HGEwVDwQTquQDByeVYOxkvE7FhSERo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=zUpQe1w5TVM8QxPRzzryh2Egi0xb6zR3Gu3LZMML55XS29QFm2ngsZwOjc60bb4TaxyfyIrmP/z90chD6B5ZiCPggpVOUa4OF+BIwCFLjFtQjpoQKT7vcSVLpEPaJ5qaok4IgIWmcuP/+yef3ZGT+qOzg0TE6iFhOF6G3mALY3w= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: I1pxCtIVM1kwd3e9r.AMBsj0ra4.gBftccMoFlnRdOedhEg olZYWdO2Jj0XhOB6VMzNMhSaKDA_rEL4K9sFD903kA6moWVtCsDwvdMTu24h iUVSGjubzezXUjR_zyi5sLr4UwunTccXp1yqGhdsWoE8Y_tVKWQWkAzl3xqT YJ2bU1_c1ZoNWMSQFpINSH1yCwO4dbMf2MqhfKnkwVEJnBT5P8.jnOcBisWF RyHILExiQBDoAxHSm9nxZYypNNf4uq93mNvJTXSWPUIlkOOMwTLvVbsDrpXu 4Xy9uiB6SRIExVoQtUNHpso9bry4iZuR_zz7smQSyqvXjPydz8ROjj8hRt19 23tKKCBEFQTaqEyxlQesGq4p4tlyQG_Zao1rIgKWsaDGQ3L5MynbKKNKh_LT CqHrXLGKE X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.185.202.35 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2012 20:06:43 +0000 UTC Message-ID: <15B9C0CD09D4429B83AB1E02595502AD@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:06:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Stefan, LF Group, > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly > lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.192 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444593536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m024.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fde393f2a6b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Stefan, LF Group, > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly > lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. As well as the natural band noise being lower at MF (I estimate the noise FS is about 10dB lower), there is also not the constant presence of man-made noise, such as Loran and DCF39 sidebands. So the spectrum around 500kHz does sound much quieter, especially during daytime. > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? As others have said, broadly similar to LF - sky wave is very weak until darkness has arrived, so ground wave dominates daytime communication. Ground wave signal levels seem to depend greatly on the type of ground at distances more than 100km or so. For example I can easily hear G3KEV during the daytime here, and the path from Hatfield to Scarborough is over flat, high-conductivity ground down the east of England. But G4WGT and G0NBD, and stations in Wales, are extremely weak in daylight at similar distances, although they are quite strong after dark The ground path to these stations is over hilly, lower conductivity ground. Sky wave signals over fairly long distances show very deep fading over periods of a few minutes - signal levels are usually constantly changing, and I have often seen variation of over 30dB in one minute on beacon signals. This can make QSOs difficult, with a signal that was R5 suddenly disappearing completely and not even visible on the spectrogram. Over very long distances, trans-atlantic for example, the fading seems less severe although signals are usually quite weak and propagation is very variable. For contacts around Europe, I would say 136k actually gives more reliable signal levels, but for many stations 500k is easier because higher ERP can be achieved with a small antenna, and noise levels are often lower. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EC89E380000F1; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Setq6-0003gq-M7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:06:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Setq6-0003gh-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:06:50 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Setpx-0005ev-4R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:06:49 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Jun 2012 20:06:39 -0000 Received: from p5B394830.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.72.48] by mail.gmx.net (mp072) with SMTP; 13 Jun 2012 22:06:39 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/KmEtHOtjKfNWTONwIcCQlEkmjCt3kdhhrsHqTAV cB84N048SiRDyV Message-ID: <002701cd49a0$0b38cfc0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:06:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Walter, I can copy your cq call on 472.99kHz,but you are exactly on the qrg of the ndb beacon 'BIA',Poland. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Staubach To: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:29 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 41a44ec7f64a884bcdc566aa8432178a Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD49B0.CCAACDB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:421087008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fd8f327512e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD49B0.CCAACDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Walter, I can copy your cq call on 472.99kHz,but you are exactly on the qrg of the ndb beacon 'BIA',Poland. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Staubach To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:29 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 utc I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not yet ok. 73 Walter DJ2LF/DI2AG From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 khz MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on this band. or If you want a contact let me know I am active most days de Mal/g3kev E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5065 - Ausgabedatum: 12.06.2012 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD49B0.CCAACDB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Walter,
 
I can copy your cq call on = 472.99kHz,but=20 you are exactly on the qrg of the ndb beacon
'BIA',Poland.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Walter Staubach
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 = 5:29=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz

Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 = utc
I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not = yet=20 ok.
73  Walter = DJ2LF/DI2AG
 
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, = 2012 4:25=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 khz

MF operators
I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for = German and=20 others active on this band.
or
If you want a contact let me = know
I am active most days
de Mal/g3kev
 
 

E-Mail ist = virenfrei.
Von AVG=20 =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version: 2012.0.2180=20 / Virendatenbank: 2433/5065 - Ausgabedatum: 12.06.2012=20

------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD49B0.CCAACDB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 27D91380000AF; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbtZf-00057v-JK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:13:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbtZe-00057m-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:13:26 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbtZc-0002K8-Jq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:13:25 +0100 Received: by obfk16 with SMTP id k16so21052409obf.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:13:20 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UXiKt6Hd51h5soLFgaKKM9GIgiJwHZA8SVGnoix4kiA=; b=LuYe8MorOFZJ5ko24wN2jFyvVLBEmfYvWrYh5oPMeLFUMPAkorb1wW7irmbdUWbBm0 lr3x9AFwzroIukiXPneBB9t5S27saE5pZgpK/orPb4Y0Mx2hlRZhzloSN5m5jo2Yo8mb m6YL/9TiD9vMZmTkhdVX+TAR9CxQQA+RyOWIqHC8t2ZKpiAXC7eeq+09BXfFCyjbctna HqNkpgjBTZpqhKHxns+DVFf9MYydg++avIOORJmq3oVi9BdVL9pzbkXpW+8zzLTbyfAn 5GMHbdr0MAX0dslnwkOSzuyEGLmrjRroC7atCWRCYP54TlnYPIXXsn2BIa73u6U7qS2U S+tw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.113.97 with SMTP id ix1mr14636680obb.79.1338902000775; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 06:13:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <002d01cd42fd$900c80b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <016101cd427d$7f76f4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002d01cd42fd$900c80b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:13:20 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, As ei2mal@yahoo.com is a yahoo e-mail address it will have associated with it an Yahoo ID. If you can sign into Yahoo! Groups as ei2mal@yahoo.com I think that you will then have to join the RSGB_LF_Group with that e-mail address. This will be a different membership than the one under your talktalk e-mail address. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d2a449809c9c1ff1983612d049372878 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447f2a625335e04c1b96a6b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:516437120:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d243.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4fce062511a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --f46d0447f2a625335e04c1b96a6b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, As ei2mal@yahoo.com is a yahoo e-mail address it will have associated with it an Yahoo ID. If you can sign into Yahoo! Groups as ei2mal@yahoo.com I think that you will then have to join the RSGB_LF_Group with that e-mail address. This will be a different membership than the one under your talktalk e-mail address. Once joined, using the web interface, you can then add your talktalk e-mail address and choose to use that for the forwarding of the e-mails from the list. 73 John, G3WKL On 5 June 2012 10:28, mal hamilton wrote: > ** > John > My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com > This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get anythin= g > from the list on the left of page. > de mal/g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John Gould > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:10 AM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep > > Mal, > > Thanks, interesting point. I can see that you are a member, but on my > admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. Without this you > don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, etc. > > I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a Yahoo ID, > but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the formalities. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > > On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton wrote: > >> ** >> John >> With my talktalk email account, I cannot access any of the options that >> you specify. a Gmail account might be different >> g3kev >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* John Gould >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM >> *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep >> >> Stefan, >> >> I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account= . >> I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked = OK, >> so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-m= ail >> account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderato= rs, >> vote and then un-subscribe. >> >> I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on th= e >> other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. >> >> 73 John, G3WKL >> >> On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer < >> Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote: >> >>> Hi Clive, LF, >>> >>> For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo >>> account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the >>> pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that >>> there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate = in >>> this process. >>> >>> My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise= . >>> As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one h= as >>> to win and the other will be shut down after some time. >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >>> Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: >>> >>>> If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting >>>> period ends. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > --f46d0447f2a625335e04c1b96a6b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

As ei2mal@yahoo= .com is a yahoo e-mail address it will have associated with it an Yahoo= ID. =A0If you can sign into Yahoo! Groups as ei2mal@yahoo.com I think that you will then have to join the RSG= B_LF_Group with that e-mail address. This will be a different membership th= an the one under your talktalk e-mail address. =A0

Once joined, using the web interface, you can then add = your talktalk e-mail address and choose to use that for the forwarding of t= he e-mails from the list.

73 John, G3WKL

On 5 June 2012 10:28, mal hamilton <g3kevma= l@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com
This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I= =20 still=A0 cannot get anything from the list on the left of page.
de mal/g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Tuesd= ay, June 05, 2012 9:10=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep

Mal, =A0

Thanks, interesting point. =A0I can see that you are a member, but o= n=20 my admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. =A0Without thi= s=20 you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files,= etc.=20 =A0

I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a = Yahoo ID,=20 but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the formalities.= =20 =A0

73 John, G3WKL


On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton <g3k= evmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
With my talktalk email account, =A0I cannot a= ccess=20 any of the options that you specify. a Gmail account might be=20 different
g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gould
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:0= 3=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black=20 Sheep

Stefan,=20

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo= =20 account. =A0I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail accoun= t and=20 that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your=20 Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised b= y one=20 of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =A0

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up = a poll on=20 the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted.= =20 =A0

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=20 wrote:
Hi=20 Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but= =20 without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This=20 situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those w= ho=20 are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside th= e=20 poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote is = pro=20 blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long a= s the=20 two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win a= nd=20 the other will be shut down after some time.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
If=20 you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voti= ng=20 period ends.
=A0=20




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Content preview: Ringing , that should be ..... miss 2 throws of the dice : ( From: Graham Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:23 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 91e1efbff209cbddb14bc9e018c2cfe8 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5646.2A9CF000" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:516029472:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914fee1d97668a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5646.2A9CF000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ringing , that should be ..... miss 2 throws of the dice : ( From: Graham=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:23 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Yes an exciting game of 'Techno-Guess' HiHi What is the stated pass band ripple ?=20 Is that plot 3 dB / 50% or 6 dB ?=20 Should there be a standing mA feed ? which may dampen the = device a bit , stop it wringing ? From: Mike=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:03 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Stefan=20 Have you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not = sure if it is the same on both ends? I would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both ends. Mike G3JVL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Sch=E4fer Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try...=20 -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical = filters=20 Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200=20 Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20 kHz. It is available at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=20 (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20 frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20 impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at=20 http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20 sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20 high. See the image:=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.pn= g So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green = wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20 green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red = wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web=20 http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20 shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20 output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20 stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2433.1.1/5098 - Release Date: = 06/29/12 07:34:00 ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD5646.2A9CF000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ringing  , that  should  be  ..... miss  = 2 =20 throws  of the  dice   : (

From: Graham
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical=20 filters

Yes  an exciting  game  of  = 'Techno-Guess'  =20  HiHi
 
What  is the  stated  pass  band  = ripple  ?=20
 
Is that  plot   3 dB / 50% or   6 dB ? =
 
Should  there  be a  standing  mA  = feed  ?=20 which  may  dampen the  device  a  bit  ,=20 stop  it  wringing ?

From: Mike
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:03 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical=20 filters

Stefan=20
Have=20 you included the 300pF capacitor (I do not read German) and not sure if = it is=20 the same on both ends?
I=20 would expect the launch circuit needs a cap both = ends.
Mike=20 G3JVL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan=20 Sch=E4fer
Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Subject:=20 LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters

4th = try...=20

-------- Original-Nachricht --------=20
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-heide= lberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

No virus found in this incoming = message.
Checked=20 by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: = 2433.1.1/5098 -=20 Release Date: 06/29/12 = 07:34:00

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I just sent this from my talktalk a/c, lets see what happens: ==== I set up my talktalk a/c, added it to my yahoo email set, verified it, changed rsgb_lf_group to use it, and am now [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.83.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 7f2e5481aa97b3cbff3d653a1b2ddfbd Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479273792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m002.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44fcded771f5c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I just sent this from my talktalk a/c, lets see what happens: ==== I set up my talktalk a/c, added it to my yahoo email set, verified it, changed rsgb_lf_group to use it, and am now sending a msg using it, let's see what happens? Stewart with a t/G3YSX ==== I have not yet seen it so sending again from this a/c to check that talktalk a/c is receiving correctly. Sorry for the bandwidth. Stewart/G3YSX On 05/06/2012 11:47, mal hamilton wrote: > Steward > I have already done that and still no good. I do not want to change my > normal talktalk email address and I am afraid this could happen and cause > even more confusion > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stewart Bryant" > To: > Cc: "mal hamilton" > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep > > >> On 05/06/2012 10:28, mal hamilton wrote: >>> John >>> My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com >>> This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get >>> anything from the list on the left of page. >>> de mal/g3kev >> >> >> Mal >> >> Login to yahoo and go to here >> >> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join >> >> >> Look for (Add new email address) and click - you may need to log in again. >> >> Add your talktalk email address >> >> Go back to >> >> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join >> >> the talktalk address should now be listed >> >> Select the radio button next to it >> >> Select the other options you want in steps 2 and 3 below >> >> Select save changes >> >> Now the yahoo group email will go to your talktalk a/c. >> >> 73 >> >> Stewart/G3YSX >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 148E1380000A0; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh7Bv-000777-Pu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:46:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh7Bv-00076y-9N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:46:31 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh7Bt-0006yV-E8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:46:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5JMkSKo005879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:46:29 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5JMkS9X029761 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:46:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:44:43 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5JMkSKo005879 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Rik, MF, Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. Maybe you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Subject: LF: Test signal needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:462435936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fe1017d67d1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Rik, MF, Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much=20 better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. Maybe=20 you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that=20 many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops that=20 were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test=20 signals from amateurs. 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > actually 501.2kHz. > Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. > You are 579 with the usual QSB. > I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared = ERP abt 1W. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] > Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW > > Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse > Jan/pa3abk > > On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > =20 >> just in case someone wants... >> I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> >> =20 > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BE1C138000081; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 07:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbsDK-00048C-HU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:46:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbsDJ-00047q-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:46:17 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbsDG-0001uU-1O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:46:16 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q55BkCEB007119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:46:13 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q55BkDSw028849 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:46:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCDF12A.2000803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:44:42 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCCD2B9.1030408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear John, Thank you for the understanding answer. Makes me a bit more optimistic that we can find a consensus. 73, GL, Stefan Am 05.06.2012 11:03, schrieb John Gould: > > Stefan, > > Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported > before. > > Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't > vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes > both ways. > > I don't really want to administer two groups, especially this one as > it's cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to effectively take > away a facility that a few people use really effectively. I have to > admit that I can't understand what the fuss is about and moreso the > poor behaviour by a few; it's just doesn't match with the ethos of > amateur radio. > > I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used > for QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the more > technical discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the > additional facilities. Short-term information of this sort isn't > wanted by everyone and doesn't need to be searched after the event, so > having two lists for the different functions has some logic. > > Stefan, I'll try and do the right thing - hopefully, some clarity > will come when the emotion runs its course. > > 73 John, G3WKL > On 4 June 2012 16:22, Stefan Schäfer > > wrote: > > Hello John, > > Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the > confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got > new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still > blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. > I unsubscribed again... > > Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not > so fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part > of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may > be to complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real > chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored! > > Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not > [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3f12a6171cff302119f724e64afab799 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060403090708040601090600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:510228576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4fcdf1b34b30 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060403090708040601090600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q55BkCEB007119 Dear John, Thank you for the understanding answer. Makes me a bit more optimistic=20 that we can find a consensus. 73, GL, Stefan Am 05.06.2012 11:03, schrieb John Gould: > > Stefan, > > Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported=20 > before. > > Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't=20 > vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes=20 > both ways. > > I don't really want to administer two groups, especially this one as=20 > it's cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to effectively take=20 > away a facility that a few people use really effectively. I have to=20 > admit that I can't understand what the fuss is about and moreso the=20 > poor behaviour by a few; it's just doesn't match with the ethos of=20 > amateur radio. > > I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used=20 > for QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the more=20 > technical discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the=20 > additional facilities. Short-term information of this sort isn't=20 > wanted by everyone and doesn't need to be searched after the event, so=20 > having two lists for the different functions has some logic. > > Stefan, I'll try and do the right thing - hopefully, some clarity=20 > will come when the emotion runs its course. > > 73 John, G3WKL > On 4 June 2012 16:22, Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 > > wrote: > > Hello John, > > Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the > confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got > new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still > blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. > I unsubscribed again... > > Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not > so fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part > of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may > be to complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real > chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored! > > Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not > only me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small > group, although we are spread all over the world. If the > pro-blacksheep party (in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you > shut them down? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould: >> Stefan, >> >> I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo >> account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account >> and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the >> RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the >> membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and >> then un-subscribe. >> >> I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a >> poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how >> they voted. >> >> 73 John, G3WKL >> >> On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer >> > > wrote: >> >> Hi Clive, LF, >> >> For those who simply subscribed to the list but without >> having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This >> situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind >> those who are blind for such facts that there are further >> members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this >> process. >> >> My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group >> compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like >> competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut >> down after some time. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: >> >> If you have voted it is possible to change your vote >> before the voting period ends. >> >> >> > --------------060403090708040601090600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear John,

Thank you for the understanding answer. Makes me a bit more optimistic that we can find a consensus.
73, GL, Stefan

Am 05.06.2012 11:03, schrieb John Gould:

Stefan,

Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported before.

Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes both ways.  

I don't really want to administer two groups, especially this one as it's cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to effectively take away a facility that a few people use really effectively.  I have to admit that I can't understand what the fuss is about and moreso the poor behaviour by a few; it's just doesn't match with the ethos of amateur radio.

I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used for QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the more technical discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the additional facilities.  Short-term information of this sort isn't wanted by everyone and doesn't need to be searched after the event, so having two lists for the different functions has some logic.

Stefan,  I'll try and do the right thing - hopefully, some clarity will come when the emotion runs its course.  

73 John, G3WKL
On 4 June 2012 16:22, Stefan Schäfer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
Hello John,

Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again...

Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored!

Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group, although we are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party (in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you shut them down?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould:
Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted.  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Schäfer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
Hi Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends.
 



--------------060403090708040601090600-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9AE8438000082; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkN4O-0008Uq-8O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:20:12 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkN4N-0008Uh-JH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:20:11 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkN4E-0006QI-V7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:20:10 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5SMK1FM031708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:20:01 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5SMK17x015011 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:20:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4FECD820.8060105@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:18:08 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC18F4.9050608@online.fr> <1340875355.96079.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1340876781.29716.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FEC7DDF.8050906@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340908899.62897.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340908899.62897.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Pete, Am 28.06.2012 20:41, schrieb M0FMT: > But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order > either double wow! You can make the RFC1 from such a core used for T1 too, or maybe better two of them. The RFC1 value is not critical. Just if you use a small one it may become hot. Also it should be ferrite of course, not a iron powder core. These would need much more turns. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: bc223f74149f392a7d9f3881f05f1e70 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060205080400010406080702" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:402625120:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814fecd8e92b34 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060205080400010406080702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pete, Am 28.06.2012 20:41, schrieb M0FMT: > But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order > either double wow! You can make the RFC1 from such a core used for T1 too, or maybe better two of them. The RFC1 value is not critical. Just if you use a small one it may become hot. Also it should be ferrite of course, not a iron powder core. These would need much more turns. > Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En? Yes of course. The wire pieces are short, so just take a bundle of 8 or 10 or so instead of the litz i'm using. You will see. > Hmm it's plaited ? Oh, plaited, i learned a new word :-) No, just twisted. > Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not > be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but > feel the width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more. We pay 0.63 EUR at "Reichelt" (well known in DL :-) ). As mentioned, there are many alternatives to the IRFZ48N. You can use what you want unless the FET: -is a N-CH MOSFET -Drain-Source voltage 55V to 100V (100V is not ideal, watch out for 55 or 60 or 75 or what you find) -On resistance below 0.1 Ohm -Input C (C iss) in the range below 3 nF, better below 2 nF. > I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK > source) may be they could publish it? > And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is > new and worth while thanks! Yes, but if i don't write this, someone will inform me that someone has done it before, nearly always :-) As if my intention would be to do something new (instead of simlply making QSOs or beeing on air :-) ) > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------060205080400010406080702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5SMK1FM031708 Hi Pete,

Am 28.06.2012 20:41, schrieb M0FMT:
But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min order either double wow!
You can make the RFC1 from such a core used for T1 too, or maybe better two of them. The RFC1 value is not critical. Just if you use a small one it may become hot. Also it should be ferrite of course, not a iron powder core. These would need much more turns.

Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En?
Yes of course. The wire pieces are short, so just take a bundle of 8 or 10 or so instead of the litz i'm using. You will see.

Hmm it's plait= ed ?
Oh, plaited, i learned a new word :-) No, just twisted.
=C2=A0
Generally=C2=A0I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel the width... principle)=C2=A0and the drivers TC range for slightly more.
We pay 0.63 EUR at "Reichelt" (well known in DL :-) ).

As mentioned, there are many alternatives to the IRFZ48N. You can use what you want unless the FET:
-is a N-CH MOSFET
-Drain-Source voltage 55V to 100V (100V is not ideal, watch out for 55 or 60 or 75 or what you find)
-On resistance below 0.1 Ohm
-Input C (C iss) in the range below 3 nF, better below 2 nF.

=C2=A0
I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK source) may be they could publish it?=C2=A0
=C2=A0
And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is new and worth while thanks!
Yes, but if i don't write this, someone will inform me that someone has done it before, nearly always :-) As if my intention would be to do something new (instead of simlply making QSOs or beeing on air :-) )
73 es GL<= /span> Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=C2=A0
73, Stefan/DK7FC
--------------060205080400010406080702-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D9D4C3800009E; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh8cL-0007iV-QL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:17:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh8cL-0007iM-Ae for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:17:53 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh8cJ-0007P9-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:17:52 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5K0HojS005836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:17:50 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5K0Hn7L032469; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:17:49 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE11645.80001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:16:05 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D." CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Martin, LF, Just want to inform you that i'm back on 136.172 over the night, watching your grabber http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html and hoping for some luck :-) Conds have been promising on that path some days ago. Here its raining and the air humidity must be close to 100%. The isolators have no problem with that but the losses are somewhat higher... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 4d4a9e8f68fb15c54898568240f542c5 Subject: LF: Back on 136.172 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:423140384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fe116ec35d8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Martin, LF, Just want to inform you that i'm back on 136.172 over the night, watching your grabber http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html and hoping for some luck :-) Conds have been promising on that path some days ago. Here its raining and the air humidity must be close to 100%. The isolators have no problem with that but the losses are somewhat higher... 73 and thanks for the service to start your PC all the evenings! When the loop is working, i expect that many others from EU will appear in SA this coming season. Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CA88B3800009F; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Saw9S-0001ym-5n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:46:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Saw9R-0001yT-L0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:46:25 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Saw9P-0007MI-Ln for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:46:24 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d09 with ME id HZmM1j0060Lx2rm03ZmNhZ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:46:22 +0200 Message-ID: <820667B3419A4F03AA3FFD0AEEEFD377@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:46:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ah CPU load changes from RX , where the dsp engine is running to TX , where only a sequence is being outputted 25% Rx falls to 5 % during TX or less .... If you are looking to send only , then using the PIC code generator, A simple PIC controlled keying device can be made ...Andy used this for his beacon as dose Eddie for his setup [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: Re: LF: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:424085344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fca89da5f51 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Ah CPU load changes from RX , where the dsp engine is running to TX , where only a sequence is being outputted 25% Rx falls to 5 % during TX or less .... If you are looking to send only , then using the PIC code generator, A simple PIC controlled keying device can be made ...Andy used this for his beacon as dose Eddie for his setup It is possible to set 100% Tx , but there is still a very short 'blip' change over tx/rx at the end of each cycle , this would be the preferred option , if trying for a decode over a 'short' propagation window or attempting to catch 'flash' propagation. As there is no defined start-stop in the data pattern , a decode is possible with 50% of the data , 120 seconds in OP4 and 15 Mins in OP32 , randomly distributed. G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:36 PM To: Subject: LF: Opera... > G.., LF, > > What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? > What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EBBB4380000A4; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfJoh-0000Mv-Cq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:51:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfJog-0000Mm-RG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:51:06 +0100 Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfJoe-00037M-7m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:51:05 +0100 Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NLVy1j0071ZXKqc53Pr2Rr; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:51:02 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NPqy1j00t0CFS1j3hPr0pF; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:51:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01cd4a88$8d75aec0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDA6F0F.3080104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:50:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Will be watching! Jay [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.1 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: f1498eebf16822c5ea85527a90413169 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475686560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4fda79267977 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan Will be watching! Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Jay, LF, This night i will continue with LF transmissions, same procedure. So far the conds in EU and to 4X are excellent! Maybe we can make it this night to W1... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 12.06.2012 14:10, schrieb Stefan Schfer: > Hi Jay, > > We still have no success in Jnue so if we want to get a full call detection in each month we have > to find a suitable days soon. > > Well, all right about the DST stuff. However you know i simply like transmitting so i usually do > not care about the condx. From time to time there is a surprise een in "bad" conds. Like > yesterday! 4X1RF temporary started his grabber in Haifa and to my surprise we got very good > results over that 2850km distance. About 25 dB S/N, see > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Juni2012.jpg > Sure, crossing the pond is another story. Let's do it in the coming days :-) > > BTW what about your TX? Are you ready for a transmission? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 12.06.2012 12:12, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: >> Sefan >> >> Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at 'disturbed' levels it is >> unlikely that I would have had reception of your signals. It might be a good idea to check >> http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html for the DST levels before an >> overnight T/A attempt. Generally speaking, condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or >> better for a couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th or 10th would have been better >> T/A nights. The big dip starting on the 10th is a problem. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:09 PM >> Subject: LF: Beacon to the west >> >> >>> LF, >>> >>> Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night. The TX is already on air... >>> >>> In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it may be a bit difficult to >>> become visible in TA. But who knows... >>> >>> At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for distances below 3000 km. Probably >>> because the area in darkness is small on the northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away >>> is attenuated. So the distances within the first hop range may be a bit lower than in winther >>> but maybe the noise is even lower so S/N improvement of some dB results. >>> At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done many tests and the radiated >>> signal was even 3 dB stronger than a few days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm >>> thinking different about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! >>> >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6D890380000A0; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBop-00008z-ER for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:30:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBoo-00008o-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:30:10 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbBom-0001kx-Nr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:30:09 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AggGAI90y09cF/B0/2dsb2JhbABDgkWcCgOFAJBPgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKJRQBBBoGDAoIBhMKAQICAQEBh2sDDwerbAMKiU6KMWCGEAOIDYUwiG2OZ4JggV8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="394715473" Received: from host-92-23-240-116.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.116]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 15:30:04 +0100 Message-ID: <00b901cd4195$5ce386c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:30:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John Pity you did not stick to your original instinct and stay with Blacksheep. The whole episode is a real mess. Now one has to join Yahoo to vote then resign afterwards. This already creates a bias in favour of Yahoo since so many thought there was going to be no alternative. and moved over. How about the VOTE taking place on Blacksheep instead, which is the way it should have been. Let them join/rejoin Blacksheep and resign afterwards if found necessary. The whole business was rushed and only now are we seeing really how the main LF/MF communicators and experimenters feel. The only person that has been pushing for a Yahoo takeover for some time has been G3XBM and said he was involved with other Yahoo groups as moderator. Maybe he had designs on moderating this group and eliminating those whose opinions he did not like. I am only quoting what the man himself said in various email/posting on Blacksheep. Serious LF/MF experimenters should speak out and make their point of view known, this is Democracy [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 396a95bbad9af60b2ee566edcd35b39e Subject: LF: Re: Poll announcement Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CD4195.5CAC9840" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482103808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4fcb752c1306 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CD4195.5CAC9840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Pity you did not stick to your original instinct and stay with = Blacksheep. The whole episode is a real mess. Now one has to join Yahoo = to vote then resign afterwards. This already creates a bias in favour of = Yahoo since so many thought there was going to be no alternative. and moved over. How about the VOTE taking place on Blacksheep instead, which is the way = it should have been. Let them join/rejoin Blacksheep and resign = afterwards if found necessary. The whole business was rushed and only now are we seeing really how the = main LF/MF communicators and experimenters feel. The only person that has been pushing for a Yahoo takeover for some time = has been G3XBM and said he was involved with other Yahoo groups as = moderator. Maybe he had designs on moderating this group and eliminating = those whose opinions he did not like. I am only quoting what the man himself said in various email/posting on = Blacksheep. Serious LF/MF experimenters should speak out and make their point of = view known, this is Democracy de Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: LF: Poll announcement I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is = a clear view on the way forward. I thought that there was, but there = seem to still be some with concerns. I personally don't want to have = two groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups = earlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there were lots = of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups offering. = Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Groups and it = offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing what the = preference is for the way forward. =20 For those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of = course have to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can = exercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish). The detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as = follow: Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the rsgb_lf_group group: Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, how do you want to continue? o With the Yahoo! Groups list o With the Blacksheep.org list o Both lists To vote, please visit the following web page: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=3D13140385 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!=20 73 John, G3WKL ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CD4195.5CAC9840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
Pity you did not stick to your original instinct = and stay=20 with Blacksheep. The whole episode is a real mess. Now one has to join = Yahoo to=20 vote then resign afterwards. This already creates a bias in favour of = Yahoo=20 since so many thought there was going to be no alternative.
and moved over.
How about the VOTE taking place on Blacksheep = instead,=20 which is the way it should have been. Let them join/rejoin Blacksheep = and resign=20 afterwards if found necessary.
The whole business was rushed and only now are = we seeing=20 really how the main LF/MF communicators and experimenters = feel.
The only person that has been pushing for a = Yahoo takeover=20 for some time has been G3XBM and said he was involved with other Yahoo = groups as=20 moderator. Maybe he had designs on moderating this group and eliminating = those=20 whose opinions he did not like.
 I am only quoting what the man himself = said in=20 various email/posting on Blacksheep.
Serious LF/MF experimenters should speak out and = make=20 their point of view known, this is Democracy
 
de Mal/G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 1:57 PM
Subject: LF: Poll = announcement

I've=20 put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is a = clear view=20 on the way forward.  I thought that there was, but there seem to = still be=20 some with concerns.   I personally don't want to have two groups, = which=20 is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups earlier; I thought = from what I=20 had read on the list that there were lots of people wanting to take = advantage=20 of the Yahoo! Groups offering.  Since many of us have had the = chance to=20 try out Yahoo! Groups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be = worthwhile seeing what the preference is for the way forward.=20  

For=20 those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of = course have=20 to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can exercise = your right=20 to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish).

The=20 detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as=20 follow:


Enter=20 your vote today! A new poll has been created for thersgb_lf_group=20 group:Now=20 that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list,how=20 do you want to continue?o=20 With the Yahoo! Groups listo=20 With the Blacksheep.org listo=20 Both listsTo=20 vote, please visit the following web page:http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=3D13140385= Note:=20 Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes arenot=20 collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! = Groupsweb=20 site listed above.Thanks!=20


73=20 John, G3WKL
------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CD4195.5CAC9840-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A9C0E380000A9; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SatLj-0000nt-0y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:46:55 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SatLi-0000nk-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:46:54 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.tiscali.co.uk ([212.74.100.54] helo=mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SatLh-0006p0-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:46:53 +0100 X-Trace: 769016358/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.102.87/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.102.87 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak4JANBeyk9YbWZX/2dsb2JhbABFsnYEgSSBCIIZAQUIMB4uBQUDAyElMwYeBhsJh362HItfgiyCNmADiA2SS4o5gmE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,703,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="769016358" Received: from 88-109-102-87.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO GaryPC) ([88.109.102.87]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 02 Jun 2012 19:46:51 +0100 Message-ID: <54074A2090E54AB6B689EAE2DB683675@GaryPC> From: "Gary G4WGT" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:46:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham, LF, Yes, that is correct. For my Class D Tx & CW keying I use RTS to switch the Class D to Tx mode & DTR to key the DDS VFO output. This way prevents a relay or two clicking on & off all the time. 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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:398690560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4fca5fec5ffe X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Graham, LF, Yes, that is correct. For my Class D Tx & CW keying I use RTS to switch the Class D to Tx mode & DTR to key the DDS VFO output. This way prevents a relay or two clicking on & off all the time. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 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[86.155.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s47sm31553425eef.4.2012.06.09.04.12.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jun 2012 04:12:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry GW0EZY To: References: <01cd01cd4626$4081c380$c1854a80$@com> <008601cd4628$ad66e410$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <008601cd4628$ad66e410$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:12:33 +0100 Message-ID: <01de01cd4630$c5db98d0$5192ca70$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1GKRvxYcFENpDZSKacbjYQY55ymgABIM5w Content-Language: en-gb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm8JilbooZG6vF6NtoHIi3OjcO5inDYhQkgItmkrjMKHUOZA100Yri7dGUxGhQVROTrD96oRhsBIKCyj0bVYxlpn4cJDg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal I'm sure there are many LF listeners with mini-whips etc getting a good signal from you and others Txing beacons and Opera and could easily work X-Band with a simple 40m system. At least the LF station gets on-air reports and half an LF QSO while the 40m station gets a bit of encouragement and active participation in some real LF operation. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.215.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f0da950ecedac2a84ae70831926f1b39 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Tnx X-Band QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01DF_01CD4639.27A000D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:372065216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m261.1 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64fd32fd058ab X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01DF_01CD4639.27A000D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal I'm sure there are many LF listeners with mini-whips etc getting a good signal from you and others Txing beacons and Opera and could easily work X-Band with a simple 40m system. At least the LF station gets on-air reports and half an LF QSO while the 40m station gets a bit of encouragement and active participation in some real LF operation. As well as you and Mike this morning, copying DK7FC in beacon mode and PA0WMR Opera all strong enough for a CW QSO. 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 11:15 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Tnx X-Band QSO Terry Things are looking up on LF, 2 qso's this morning on CW. GW0EZY xband 7033 and G3XDV both on LF Tnx qso, nothing wrong with your CW, I copied it all. 73 gl de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry GW0EZY To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: LF: Tnx X-Band QSO Mal Tnx for X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away some cobwebs in my CW !! 73 Terry ------=_NextPart_000_01DF_01CD4639.27A000D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mal

 

I’m sure there are = many LF listeners with mini-whips etc getting a good signal from you and = others Txing beacons and Opera and could easily work  X-Band with a = simple 40m system. At least the LF station gets on-air reports and half = an LF QSO while the 40m station gets a bit of encouragement and active = participation in some real LF operation.

 

As well as you and Mike = this morning, copying DK7FC in beacon mode and PA0WMR Opera all strong = enough for a CW QSO.

 

73 = Terry

 

From:= = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 11:15
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: Tnx X-Band = QSO

 

Terry<= span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New = Roman","serif"'>

Things are = looking up on LF, 2 qso's this morning on CW. GW0EZY xband 7033 and = G3XDV both on LF

Tnx qso, = nothing wrong with your CW, I copied it all.

73 gl de = mal/g3kev

 

----- = Original Message -----

From:<= /b> Terry GW0EZY =

Sent:<= /b> = Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:57 AM

Subject: = LF: Tnx X-Band QSO

 

Mal

 

Tnx for = X-Band QSO 136.5 to 7033. That blew away some cobwebs in my CW = !!

 

73 = Terry

------=_NextPart_000_01DF_01CD4639.27A000D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D6B8A380000BB; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbIj2-0006Sb-9t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:52:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbIj1-0006SS-PL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:52:39 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbIj0-0003ph-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:52:38 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.16.140]) by mwinf5d50 with ME id Hxsc1j00531K0Qa03xsc2i; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:52:37 +0200 Message-ID: <9098679B0B1747189BF69F0808813787@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 22:52:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-1, 03/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Looks like one ping ? G. 20:04 500 G3KEV de G3ZJO Op4 142 mi -12 dB in Northampton [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 0b36c952c26be93e626fe2fa1c93657f Subject: LF: 20:03 500 G3KEV de G0NBD Op4 121 mi -7 dB in Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41DB.91D87DE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:264448240:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61894fcbdcdd447d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41DB.91D87DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like one ping ? G. 20:04 500 G3KEV de G3ZJO Op4 142 mi -12 dB in Northampton 20:04 500 G3KEV de M0FMT Op4 162 mi -6 dB in HITCHIN 20:04 500 G3KEV de PA0BIE Op4 301 mi -26 dB in Vught MiniWhip +8 meter. 20:04 500 G3KEV de PA3ABK Op4 275 mi +2 dB in Dordrecht 20:04 500 G3KEV de PA7EY Op4 254 mi -8 dB in Amsterdam 20:04 500 G3KEV de PA0LCE Op4 308 mi +2 dB in LAGE MIERDE JO21NJ 20:04 500 G3KEV de PA0A Op4 286 mi +4 dB in Lucaswolde 20:04 500 G3KEV de F6CNI Op4 398 mi -18 dB in 2x earth electrodes RX = ant, 20:04 500 G3KEV de G0KTN Op4 219 mi -8 dB in Bath, UK IO81 20:04 500 G3KEV de G3XIZ Op4 155 mi +5 dB in Biggleswade 20:04 500 G3KEV de G4WGT Op4 101 mi -7 dB in IO83qo, nr Preston 20:03 500 G3KEV de G0NBD Op4 121 mi -7 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 deg = NO RF ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41DB.91D87DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks like   one  ping  ?
 
G.
 

20:04 500 G3KEV de G3ZJO Op4 142 mi -12 dB in Northampton

20:04 500 G3KEV de M0FMT Op4 162 mi -6 dB in HITCHIN

20:04 500 G3KEV de PA0BIE Op4 301 mi -26 dB in Vught MiniWhip +8 = meter.

20:04 500 G3KEV de PA3ABK Op4 275 mi +2 dB in Dordrecht

20:04 500 G3KEV de PA7EY Op4 254 mi -8 dB in Amsterdam

20:04 500 G3KEV de PA0LCE Op4 308 mi +2 dB in LAGE MIERDE JO21NJ

20:04 500 G3KEV de PA0A Op4 286 mi +4 dB in Lucaswolde

20:04 500 G3KEV de F6CNI Op4 398 mi -18 dB in 2x earth electrodes RX = ant,

20:04 500 G3KEV de G0KTN Op4 219 mi -8 dB in Bath, UK IO81

20:04 500 G3KEV de G3XIZ Op4 155 mi +5 dB in Biggleswade

20:04 500 G3KEV de G4WGT Op4 101 mi -7 dB in IO83qo, nr=20 Preston

20:03 500 G3KEV de G0NBD Op4 121 mi -7 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 = deg NO=20 RF

------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41DB.91D87DE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 96E4F380000BD; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXtB-000326-Dk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:52:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXtA-00031x-Qx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:52:40 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfXt7-0006iA-PA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:52:39 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnYFALJH208CYr7p/2dsb2JhbABFgkWiMJBdgQgPAQGCBwEBBQglHAUICCYBBAUDAxEDAQEBCiUxAgYMCggGDwQBBwkBCwSHXAMPB7A7A4lYizaFMWADiA+FNJEFhlmCYQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,417,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="38609651" Received: from host-2-98-190-233.as13285.net (HELO TraceyPC) ([2.98.190.233]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 15:52:36 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <001101cd4b04$06f9f7d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001101cd4b04$06f9f7d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:52:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello mal In fact all the NDBs located in the new band are tone modulated. 73s Tracey [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 81bfb86f88251daa8e0899e4ba7e8646 Subject: LF: Re: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_069D_01CD4B0E.DF8F2CA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:479528512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60154fdb4c717d52 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_069D_01CD4B0E.DF8F2CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello mal In fact all the NDBs located in the new band are tone modulated. 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 3:34 PM Subject: LF: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Tracy es Co The only safe mode on this band is attended CW and possibly QSO MODE = Opera so that one can take evasive action immediately to avoid causing = QRM to the commercial Beacons when propagation changes take place, like = wise to avoid Beacons causing the radio amateur QRM.=20 Prolonged Unattended Beacons in any mode generated by radio amateurs = should be a non starter also QRSS at extremely slow speeds should be = avoided. These commercial Beacons take up more spectrum that you think because = they are often tone modulated (MCW) g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracey Gardner=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz. Twelve of those have been logged from the UK. The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide detailed = information on frequencies which should be avoided. It should be borne in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of = approx 400Hz and 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of = specific slots to be wary of. http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some form of = guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with NDBs? 73s Tracey G5VU __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (7)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 4=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5071 - Release Date: = 06/15/12 ------=_NextPart_000_069D_01CD4B0E.DF8F2CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello mal
 
In fact all the NDBs located in the new band are tone = modulated.
 
73s Tracey
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 = 3:34 PM
Subject: LF: Fw: = [rsgb_lf_group] Band=20 Planning for 472 Khz Band ?

Tracy es Co
The only safe mode on this band is attended = CW and=20 possibly QSO MODE Opera so that one can take evasive action = immediately to=20 avoid causing QRM to the commercial Beacons when propagation changes = take=20 place,  like wise to avoid Beacons causing the radio amateur QRM. =
Prolonged Unattended Beacons in any mode = generated by=20 radio amateurs should be a non starter also QRSS at extremely = slow speeds=20 should be avoided.
These commercial Beacons take up more spectrum = that you=20 think because they are often tone modulated (MCW)
g3kev
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tracey Gardner
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:17 PM
Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band=20 ?

  =

 
Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between = 472-479kHz.
Twelve of those have been logged from the UK.
The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide = detailed=20 information on frequencies which should be avoided.
It should be borne in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a = mix of=20 approx 400Hz and 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of = specific=20 slots to be wary of.
 
 http://www.classaxe.com/dx/n= db/reu/
 
Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some = form of=20 guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with = NDBs?
 
73s Tracey G5VU

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CD45DD.2A4757E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0E66538000092; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjTdd-0004zL-MI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:08:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjTdd-0004zC-95 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:08:53 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjTdb-0003Ij-LT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:08:52 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwFAASX6U9cF/ft/2dsb2JhbABEoFIDlVWBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDBAEMBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfrkbizOCaIMcA4gWhTaXaIJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,477,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="39877486" Received: from host-92-23-247-237.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.247.237]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2012 12:08:49 +0100 Message-ID: <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:08:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Niels I can hear you on 472 at present 1107 utc I will call later around 502 Khz de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Niels Rask To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15 AM Subject: LF: 472khz [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 0317e2ac8ed27149e57223a21580246d Subject: LF: Re: 472khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD538C.0DF94820" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489410624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4fe9988104f2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD538C.0DF94820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Niels I can hear you on 472 at present 1107 utc I will call later around 502 Khz de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Niels Rask=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15 AM Subject: LF: 472khz now i got my permission to 472-479 khz . am qrv on cw de oz7foc/niels ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD538C.0DF94820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Niels
I can hear you on 472 at present 1107 = utc
I will call later around 502 Khz
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Niels Rask =
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 10:15=20 AM
Subject: LF: 472khz

now i got my permission to 472-479 = khz . am=20 qrv on cw
de=20 oz7foc/niels
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD538C.0DF94820-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 142AA3800009E; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHER-0005M9-RX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:16:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHER-0005M0-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:16:59 +0100 Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbHEP-0003Ty-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:16:58 +0100 Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hvlg1j0041swQuc57wGvrS; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HwGu1j00L0CFS1j3bwGujB; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:16:55 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01cd41c5$d1e486b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: , "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" References: <006a01cd4196$3f0d52b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4FCB80CC.8050702@hifidelity.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:16:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Steve It's a personal thing that has to do with searching the internet for technical information. I find that as time goes on a larger percentage of search results are links to 'everyday' posts on lists that archive everything - often a yahoo group. Very few of these posts turn out to have information of value - most are little more than a passing chit chat that happens to fit the search terminology. As we go forward with ever more posts being archived by more and more 'groups' one can imagine even more search result 'pollution'. I'd rather not add to the 'clutter'. [...] Content analysis details: (1.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.64 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427301920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fcbc67c2028 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Steve It's a personal thing that has to do with searching the internet for technical information. I find that as time goes on a larger percentage of search results are links to 'everyday' posts on lists that archive everything - often a yahoo group. Very few of these posts turn out to have information of value - most are little more than a passing chit chat that happens to fit the search terminology. As we go forward with ever more posts being archived by more and more 'groups' one can imagine even more search result 'pollution'. I'd rather not add to the 'clutter'. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Dove" To: Cc: ; "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep > Hi Jay, and Jim 'MBU, > > As two of the participants who make among the more informed and sensible contributions - and so > with value to others lying well beyond the ephemeral - I find your distaste for archiving a bit > non-plussing! > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > On 6/3/2012 2:36 PM, JRusgrove@comcast.net wrote: >> Some folks (me included) are not interested in having their >> messages archived for eternity ... or looking for a place to >> upload articles or pictures of a new gadget. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1602B38000092; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbERL-0003LN-BU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:18:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbERK-0003LE-Rw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:18:06 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbERJ-0002nr-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:18:05 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AucFALqby09Ok8gE/2dsb2JhbABEo1KQT4EIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBgwKCAYTCgECAgEBh2wDD6tsDYlOijFggnqDFgOIDYUwklmEe4JggV8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="540224412" Received: from host-78-147-200-4.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.200.4]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 18:18:04 +0100 Message-ID: <004001cd41ac$d603b540$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:18:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well done Tony. I like an impartial observer. Some nice persons on this group accusing others of being liars, still no need to ban them. They do not know FACT from FICTION Waiting for G3XBM to surface and clarify the position, he should have a say g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 2015a9c9c70c0326c96b00c8a41f50f5 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01CD41AC.D5CCC6C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486315840:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fcb9c845ba3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CD41AC.D5CCC6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done Tony. I like an impartial observer. Some nice persons on this = group accusing others of being liars, still no need to ban them. They do not know FACT from FICTION Waiting for G3XBM to surface and clarify the position, he should have a = say g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20 Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating = that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me = whose opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly = encouraging or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised = group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to = lies. Eddie ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CD41AC.D5CCC6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well done Tony. I like an impartial observer. = Some nice=20 persons on this group accusing others of being liars, still no need to = ban=20 them.
They do not know FACT from FICTION
Waiting for G3XBM to surface and clarify the = position, he=20 should have a say
g3kev
 
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CD41AC.D5CCC6C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8DEC2380000E0; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHfT-0002E9-1K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:21:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHfS-0002E0-GO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:21:58 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjHfQ-00005M-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:21:57 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5PMLrxk012825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:21:54 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5PMLrrt011982 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:21:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE8E412.5000909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:20:02 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5PMLrxk012825 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the > Dreamers band. Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due to your higher antenna C and mains availability. You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 9ca91679b330d65f05d707c2d2b164fe Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471207008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fe8e4c11abb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Mal, Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the > Dreamers band. Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due to=20 your higher antenna C and mains availability. You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. > I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with othe= r > persuits at present. > =20 Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large=20 tube. 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul=20 Nicholsons grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very helpful=20 for the first tests! 73, Stefan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > To: > Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" > > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM > Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > > > =20 >> VLF, >> >> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >> Darmstadt, http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html r= un >> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >> earthquake precursors. >> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced him t= o >> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He >> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU resource= s >> for that at the moment though. >> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49HV80ST&from=3Djn49ik00wd so it >> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even >> in summer. >> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF event. >> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June 20= 12 >> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to extend i= t. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> =20 > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DC1B938000082; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SePA7-00086Z-NX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 12:21:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SePA7-00086Q-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 12:21:27 +0100 Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com ([74.125.82.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SePA4-00079s-66 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 12:21:25 +0100 Received: by wgbfa7 with SMTP id fa7so3178328wgb.28 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 04:21:23 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qloj678639Wo36HinToNOdLxG8PMU0YLVN8VgvZNIdM=; b=o8Mwn3OYs1OjpgIVXwhtK2TpfFm4/ESOhtTbFuL7XZzPfwG/hWv/5qXjmLQY6souU3 1NWqGmD0EUjlJxrSvL3pE7Kkj6uOYkTOknJ1cewpN4i8NoeHjDot2Vc4R6/FqEYozckt k65tCzSOsLA7rgiWlvDIbXaVdp6MR6BgyybIniPyLMwSxcdl1fObXMDrxRX6bgI6YHJw jC9WeLMiYm1zjzmgVySXNqHeOvmwHXczJl3Ma7DzjLBgGnr91avzgMQ7VTgw6an8Q1ny rRdkr3gNkQKfszrEegimzDgJGu3oIQvkNgKTQ+lIVQomOcGwFTyLw3SU/Ajh4aXyn0xC qmpQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.215.17 with SMTP id d17mr8597742wep.166.1339500082613; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 04:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 04:21:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1339499711.77638.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1339438549.67345.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <85F124CBD59C48FEB97567F3B69B2AC1@lindavideo> <1339499711.77638.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:21:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Years ago, several ham friends of mine have made valve type transmitters run in Class-D or E on 75 and 40 meters, 500kHz should be no problem at all. 73 Warren K2ORS On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:15 AM, M0FMT wrote: > Hi Ken > > I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than > C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go > into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency output stage has > to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it > changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off > (which means a device that will operate well into the VHF) the higher the > efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple of > megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking > about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the > inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to generate a > high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine > waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the output > side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try > it. > > That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide I use > to bring a PA into optimum performance. > > What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you are > trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there is enough > empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I > have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in > theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract from > the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, efficient TX > design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP design being IMHO a > very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the > components listing. > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > From: Ken > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 > Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc > > Hi Pete. > About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 9b622d5c6a961580a0f289e85f67bcca Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:505747360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d016.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4fd7266449ea X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Years ago, several ham friends of mine have made valve type transmitters run in Class-D or E on 75 and 40 meters, 500kHz should be no problem at all. 73 Warren K2ORS On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:15 AM, M0FMT wrote: > Hi Ken > > I believe you can operate=A0some thermionic devices in higher classes tha= n > C=A0but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won= 't go > into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency output stage ha= s > to operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it > changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off > (which=A0means a device that will operate=A0well into the=A0VHF)=A0the hi= gher the > efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple of > megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking > about)=A0at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in= the > inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to generate a > high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not talking sin= e > waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope on the out= put > side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try > it. > > That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the guide=A0= I use > to bring a PA into optimum performance. > > What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if you are > trying to make a practical and=A0efficient CW TX for LF then=A0there is e= nough > empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on the sites I > have posted=A0that will get you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in > theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will detract fr= om > the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, efficient=A0TX > design well within anybodies capabilities.=A0The GW3UEP design being IMHO= a > very good (Scalable) example with no=A0RadCom=A0style unobtainium in the > components listing. > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > From: Ken > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 > Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc > > Hi Pete. > About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order > differential equations, partial integration and integration by parts, the > one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a poin= t > in free space . =A0=A0Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA i= s > probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is becaus= e > they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the > shack and the cat warm. > > 73s > > Ken > > M0KHW > > From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT > > Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Class E etc > > > Hi Ken > > Ha ha Stefan, how good is=A0your Integration Ken? > > Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a > good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the > amplifier is to do with=A0 A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET d= rive > chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully= =A0on > and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate=A0on off t= iming > (mark / space). Ensuring the=A0max permitted gate voltage for the FET=A0i= s not > exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps= . > B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance=A0in the drain=A0circuit = can be > done empirically See article below. Then follow it with=A0a=A0low pass fi= lter, > although the output wave will be surprisingly clean.=A0Calculating the va= lues > is difficult as you don't necessarily know all the starting=A0parameters = and > in any case=A0the result is=A0going to wide of the mark. The site below w= ill > gives some starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the > output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise time= s. > Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. > These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a > dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very l= ow > at high power=A0giving cool heat-sinks! > > The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good > efficiency=A0and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply > voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable o= f > almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. > Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain w= ave > shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below shows you wh= at > you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L = and > C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the pe= ak > voltage across the Dummy load.=A0I then transfer my=A0connector from the = Dummy > load to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I adju= st > the coupling link to give the same peak voltage=A0across the tuner link t= urns. > You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy l= oad > indicating a 50ohm match.=A0This is done by either=A0adding or reducing= =A0the > number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing the the transformer= to > resonance by measuring the peak=A0up-lead current, here you are looking f= or > the maximum peak. > > Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work well. > > Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers. > > > For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure > and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-powera= mps.pdf > > For design ideas > http://www.classeradio.com/ > > For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp=A0that =A0is a scalab= le > surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. > http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ > > For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site" > http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 40CE33800008D; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScjDr-0004yB-7x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:22:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScjDq-0004y0-QH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:22:22 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScjDo-0004B7-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:22:21 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57KMJkG021573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:22:19 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57KMJcU012867 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:22:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD10D1E.7030304@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:20:46 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C693974@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C693974@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q57KMJkG021573 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thank you Rik! How much stronger was HE3OM? :-) Let's try in winther again when the leaves are down and the soil is frozen and i fire on all cylinders (as the US guys would say :-) ). 73, Stefan Am 07.06.2012 19:26, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > Hi Stefan, > > 579 on my 500kHz antenna (11m high, 25m long lazy-L tuned at 500kHz) and weak but clear copy on a 2m indoor wire. > The only signal that was stronger here was HE3OM. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Stefan Schäfer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: donderdag 7 juni 2012 16:10 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a > challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo > against the QRN :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 > so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: Re: LF: RE: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454797856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44fd10da93216 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thank you Rik! How much stronger was HE3OM? :-) Let's try in winther again when the=20 leaves are down and the soil is frozen and i fire on all cylinders (as=20 the US guys would say :-) ). 73, Stefan Am 07.06.2012 19:26, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > Hi Stefan, > > 579 on my 500kHz antenna (11m high, 25m long lazy-L tuned at 500kHz) an= d weak but clear copy on a 2m indoor wire. > The only signal that was stronger here was HE3OM. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: donderdag 7 juni 2012 16:10 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high wit= h > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a > challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo > against the QRN :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=3D50&customRange=3D= 137 > so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1B26D3800009F; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SarZy-0008Pk-4B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:53:30 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SarZx-0008Pb-Dd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:53:29 +0100 Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SarZv-0006Ql-Cv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:53:28 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.55] by nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 16:53:26 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.124] by tm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 16:53:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 16:53:26 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 476769.73145.bm@omp1033.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 45480 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2012 16:53:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338656006; bh=OE2bXczyUyohe/SEIklGui4lXlVN3uXO2gdr0jPV+EM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KRGKUQUJNVr5z95ON97Ah1gqvXXhggiUQttV2Vp+HZxDjfj1bUalVA+NFkpUlAXUKBjzAogfXte1yNdlgPX5V8jmPhobo9UwwQHTO196xQm3ML4UBnLTNFV8GsyK2+BwjKRTXI1dP6Hd51yrXXXZg8y//W/sJoYAaHJznWs0RZE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=N7lZyy5WuKGPEQGVQtdyWs4TY0f+9FxBL1XIIlV85PqSyBXOFitjL0OGz351wzi8EkX/3D1zqV897SWjUSPl3kALGJmcECgy7PP4gJCYsmZdKigQ3+KajQfEc5chFgMDjjglOxGBsRBYVKwNFgXZCOyf6PjQTazpLPLnirfIlm0=; X-YMail-OSG: 9N2oTDgVM1mYA1pfzfwxNlu0GkaCyEqa0_kj6nkNiVUNTkU TvfHWIj7eq.vRcP88fx3GkxG4GybvBGNPIObhh.eLjbgLd9X0Dx2VF883o_b gwx1DVPA0VuiP4r3mx1Vs7WDSOvcEk_sPeIprPyrJ414M4DN7_pSlwOgMI5B QrIWaAfr3oLvYq2l8C_nob4FX28A.nPqbOwxya6gbiAAjFACOllBqPWn8SuE ivUnOiVRo2h4Tfg0yoH9Q2kwyxctsFVuQHg_Ys4QfxqTEXr1Az35.lth1vZW XLbK9l7tlx7tZKXP0SO7UvdhmNfHpN4AW3DM5jVS7loCWXqS40XhKDEUBbnn X1cENtp5GBdBXWUDZrj2LEuoyXsmiLiVCwZ8n4KuQgwl8mmwEp5wEFWVSUSY 0IHTJTcJ6hiYi90HYaGvCY.crwcMXItV.VHtWoow1WDICtda0_Ez2MJct0y1 ldXx9fEkNyWQtksHcS3ta Received: from [86.164.58.31] by web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:53:25 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1338656005.45326.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:53:25 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes Dennis  A lot on nice amateurs shifted frequency to give me a report which was nice.  Well the application would not pick up a com port, the window was just blank, and try as I might the damn thing wouldn't connect. I played around with the port USB numbers in application manager but nothing worked....... left it over night and all is well in the morning ..... you tell me?  Oh and while we are on. Is this what you refered to during our QSO........ "Maybe get Dennis on as well....... I have reservations about encouraging Dennis with computers after the VAC debacle! "  The dictionary definition is ... A sudden, disastrous collapse, downfall, or defeat; a rout. A total, often ludicrous failure.  Which of the above definitions don't you agree with? hee hee sorry Dennis .... If I mention any one in a mail I usually CC them it's only descent. But I thought you would grab hold of that ..... :-)  Anyway you will smile when you hear that I have just dropped a full cup of tea on the carpet while answering this ...... Poetic Justice?  Opera is a form of CW and as such deserves a look at like FSK but probably narrower that 20c/s at the keying rate used. I have some comparisons and a method of calculating the band width of CW somewhere I reckons it's very narrow.  73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.21 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 24b65a258fa7a3a87cfdaa03bb2f3176 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-1222726043-1338656005=:45326" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:491519008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m003.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cd4fca45411bfc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-1222726043-1338656005=:45326 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Dennis =0A=C2=A0=0AA lot on nice amateurs shifted frequency to give me = a report which was nice.=0A=C2=A0=0AWell the application would not pick up = a com port, the window was just blank, and try as I might the damn thing wo= uldn't connect. I played around with the port USB numbers in application ma= nager but nothing worked....... left it=C2=A0over night and all is well in = the morning=C2=A0 ..... you tell me?=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AOh=C2=A0and while we = are on. Is this what you refered to during our QSO........ "Maybe get Denni= s on as well....... I have reservations about encouraging Dennis with compu= ters after the VAC debacle! "=0A=C2=A0=0AThe dictionary definition is ... A= sudden, disastrous collapse, downfall, or defeat; a rout. A total, often l= udicrous failure.=0A=C2=A0=0AWhich of the above definitions don't you agree= with? .......... hee hee sorry Dennis .... If I mention any one in a mail = I usually CC them it's only descent.=C2=A0 But I thought you would grab hol= d of that ..... :-)=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AAnyway you will smile when you hear th= at I have just dropped a full cup of tea on the carpet while answering this= ...... Poetic Justice?=0A=C2=A0=0AOpera is a form of CW and as such deserv= es a look at like FSK but probably narrower that 20c/s at the keying rate u= sed. I have some comparisons and a method of calculating the band width of = CW somewhere I reckons it's very narrow.=0A=C2=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO9= 1UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: DENNIS EASTERLING =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent:= Saturday, 2 June 2012, 17:24=0ASubject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB R= X dial=0A =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0AHi Pete =0A=C2=A0 =0ABeen busy and did not r= ead your emails until it was =0Atoo late, but judging by reports it looks g= ood, though pity about PC =0Acrash.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It seems that you sorted ou= t the opera keying, I wonder what =0Awas wrong before? =0A=C2=A0 =0A73 Denn= is M0JXM =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:21 AM =0A>Subje= ct: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Please= report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.=0A= >=0A>73 Pete FMT=0A> =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>_______= _________________________=0A>=C2=A0 ---1613889061-1222726043-1338656005=:45326 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tony=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 = 9:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" = Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. =
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 g3zjo=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: = O.T.:=20 Reflector status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some = time back=20 indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban = persons=20 like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his, =  this is=20 hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth = operation of=20 any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or = BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but = please=20 don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
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[86.30.58.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f19sm24799995wiw.11.2012.06.03.14.43.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:43:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FCB7397.8020204@legal-medicine.de> <52B3B4B4EF37485981A74C2FBC74AEA2@AGB> <4FCBD854.5080003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> From: Roger Lapthorn X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <4FCBD854.5080003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-Id: <120D17A5-6D9A-4AED-B46F-F784E7EA4A28@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 22:43:38 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The poll is open until June 11th Stefan! 73s Roger -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 61577e2058c0d3bf1737d7de6ed6eb16 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=GET_STARTED_NOW, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471171552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d299.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194fcbdac07506 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none The poll is open until June 11th Stefan! 73s Roger -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 3 Jun 2012, at 22:34, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: > It wasn't possible to take part in the poll even after subscribing. So thi= s cannot be serious! Apart from the democratic conflict which is see too. > I think the different opinions are clear after that day. > Now i want to focus on amateur radio again, whatever the frequency might b= e. >=20 > Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > Am 03.06.2012 16:29, schrieb Graham: >> Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo= group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , so t= his should exclude your vote from the poll .... >>=20 >> G. >>=20 >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "pws" >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement >>=20 >>> John, >>>=20 >>> You wrote: >>>> ... >>>> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >>>> how do you want to continue? >>>>=20 >>>> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >>>> o With the Blacksheep.org list >>>> o Both lists >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> To vote, please visit the following web page: >>>> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=3D13140385 >>>=20 >>> I got what expected: >>> """ >>> To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable Web A= ccess. >>>=20 >>> With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, links, m= essage archive search, and more! >>>=20 >>> Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group >>>=20 >>> If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web Ac= cess and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. >>>=20 >>> To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". >>>=20 >>> Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? >>> If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now.= >>> """ >>>=20 >>> No, thanks! >>> I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. That's all. >>>=20 >>> Peter, df3lp >>>=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 208DC380000AB; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 06:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbrIT-0003Va-PE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:47:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbrIT-0003VR-8a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:47:33 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbrIQ-0001gQ-JM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:47:32 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoEKAJvizU9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFiX2ZYo8qBIEngQiCEwUBAQQBCAEBA0kCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQEJDQEQBxQBBBoGDAEJCAYTCgECAgEBAYdrAwYJB61jA4lYijNgHy+CKAEDgxYDiA2FMJJZhHuCYIFYBw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="393415369" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 11:47:25 +0100 Message-ID: <005201cd4308$96ffd380$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net><4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de><4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net><77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk><517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk><4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><016101cd427d$7f76f4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002d01cd42fd$900c80b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCDD3D6.9000308@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:47:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Steward I have already done that and still no good. I do not want to change my normal talktalk email address and I am afraid this could happen and cause even more confusion de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Bryant" To: Cc: "mal hamilton" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:39 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:502853632:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fcde40e52e2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Steward I have already done that and still no good. I do not want to change my normal talktalk email address and I am afraid this could happen and cause even more confusion de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Bryant" To: Cc: "mal hamilton" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:39 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep > On 05/06/2012 10:28, mal hamilton wrote: > > John > > My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com > > This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get > > anything from the list on the left of page. > > de mal/g3kev > > > Mal > > Login to yahoo and go to here > > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join > > > Look for (Add new email address) and click - you may need to log in again. > > Add your talktalk email address > > Go back to > > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join > > the talktalk address should now be listed > > Select the radio button next to it > > Select the other options you want in steps 2 and 3 below > > Select save changes > > Now the yahoo group email will go to your talktalk a/c. > > 73 > > Stewart/G3YSX > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 65C27380000EE; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shs2L-0003S9-AK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:47:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shs2K-0003S0-JG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:47:44 +0100 Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shs2H-0006DI-Ka for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:47:43 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.232] by nm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 00:47:40 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.226] by tm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 00:47:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 00:47:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 934533.95959.bm@omp1003.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 20706 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2012 00:47:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=Bn42BtgYYqV2G4+kh7yUkq9QRK2IOceEue982S3JERbF5BtETwyycB/BruTHUDuyNyddqllSrXJN9XLS5RftWHUL2rWuRX9Nyv8LfE5Y4RaXVIciHTKW4FJF/74L9ALeW9ESgOCjjyTsgPtF7Z5Z5xza7EFvhzQhqgWF5plmtMg= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1340326060; bh=vjMlMzJWYZUlKtDQU1Q7iJ1nu4aByPwyh/mikVWBag0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=o3aGkRE9LG4qqMI2+podShCyTlbLVTwtWTmXRvZXGd5rMHBys1QkDJvEgAlq4CPnwnRElm2DOKyyyFbeo8dzryk/Zupqk9XoYXqBG9XDwOkzdLtWD27806TRdiIcMXUMN7ksJFRv/aYXV0rwMSg8SxV//sc9ENbNcFzx3S/qvr4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: SQ2_4h0VM1ku9r8eSqnG5D66IA0oERjAH2cu4DrHJEJe_a. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stephan, I dont know for certain. It is a long distance I would expect DCF39 to disappear after dawn......I wiuld expect a big drop from the darkness level maybe a return weaker peak "blip" before complete loss an hour after local ground sunrise. If its still active listen for CFH Halfax NS on 137.00kHz. Its a mil data transmission. at about the same ERP If the daytime tramsmission is "real DCF39" Its strength should increase from dawn until mid-day at mid path then deline slowly towards dusk. This is not great may only be 2-3dB but very consistent day to day and up to 6dB stronger in daytime during a magnetic storm (Kp=6) maybe 10dB during a severe event (Kp=9)** but I have no real knowledge of this so far towards the equator. All my data is from N. Europe [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.195 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 8ef270cc2ec30cd34b6313d7ada17a45 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,OPT_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:434231456:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m415.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fe3c0f4084c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stephan, I dont know for certain. It is a long distance I would expect DCF39 to disappear after dawn......I wiuld expect a big drop from the darkness level maybe a return weaker peak "blip" before complete loss an hour after local ground sunrise. If its still active listen for CFH Halfax NS on 137.00kHz. Its a mil data transmission. at about the same ERP If the daytime tramsmission is "real DCF39" Its strength should increase from dawn until mid-day at mid path then deline slowly towards dusk. This is not great may only be 2-3dB but very consistent day to day and up to 6dB stronger in daytime during a magnetic storm (Kp=6) maybe 10dB during a severe event (Kp=9)** but I have no real knowledge of this so far towards the equator. All my data is from N. Europe ** the hot electrons that give absorption at night, help daytime skywave usually for just a couple of days after an event (elevated Kp) You should see the telegrams but I guess you are using to narrow a resolution. With reasonable frequncy calibration DCF39 should be within 0.1Hz of what Markus measures. You may need GPS for this, I doubt WWVB will be accurate enough. at that distance. Alan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Cc: "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D." Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:03 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes Alan, What do you think about the remaining signal of DCF39 after the sunset? Is it really DCF39? Or a local QRM line? I once took a recording and reprocessed it here on my PC. I saw there is a local line (without the data bursts) but it was some Hz below DCF. Since the receive system is reasonable stable (drift < 0.1 Hz) i reduced the frequency range for detecting the signal level for the DCF plot to a BW of 1 Hz. Anyway there appears a trace which is > -30 dB below the night peak but anyway visible. Realistic? That path is almost completely over water. In some days you can even see the steps of S/N reduction due to the sunrise in the reflection zones. At least it looks like that.. With a receive loop in winther i think even G3KEV has a chance to appear there ;-) For winther i expect at least a 10 dB S/N improvement, maybe rather 20 dB. A loop which cancels the noise from the southern hemisphere, many stations will have good chances to appear in SA i think. 73, Stefan Am 22.06.2012 01:46, schrieb Alan Melia: > Hi Stefan, this is a function of propagation, I think. It depends on where > the interference originates. Because there is virtually no skywave > propagation in the "sunrise dip", no noise is propagated by skywave (> > 1000km) from the east. Where you live you have large cities all round you. > We get this effect on the edge of Europe as the daylight kills the > night-time propgation of noise fron the East (there a few big cities or > industrial noise sources for 3000 km W of Ireland > :-)) ) > > It was thought at first that this would be the best time for DX, but > despite trying it didnt work out that way. Mike G3XDV and Brian CT1DRP > tried quite hard..... but eventually made the qso mid morning, when the > noise was up again due to increases in daytime skywave!! That is if I > remember correctly.....it fascinated me as I was just getting interested > in LF long distance propagation around then. We found evening effects in > Nova Scotia and I believe similar effects were reported by John W1TAG and > Jay W1VD who are very close to the US East Coast. > > Alan > G3NYK > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" > > To: ; "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D." > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:22 PM > Subject: LF: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes > > >> Hello Martin, LF, >> >> I'm fascinated by the noise drop on LF which occurs during your sunrise. >> On your grabber >> (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), i can see >> the noise drops 15 dB within 20 minutes. That means the sun must be very >> strong so the ionosphere is very quickly ionized. Also the local >> lightning density must be extreme. All in all it looks like a very >> sensitive system. But some directivity would be interesting :-) >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> PS: I will be on 136.172 kHz again this night, starting in a few >> minutes... >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0D1FC38000098; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SczEo-00081q-4V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:28:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SczEn-00081h-Mn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:28:25 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SczEm-0007gC-4V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:28:24 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag0FALb40U9cHnWs/2dsb2JhbABFnnMDlVeBCIITFAEBA0kCFAoDCwIIAgEHARw5AQQaBggcHQECAgEBh365IpEmA4gNhTGXW4Jg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,377,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="374808189" Received: from host-92-30-117-172.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.117.172]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Jun 2012 14:28:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01cd457a$92dfce80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:28:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF I have been investigating the K9AY LOOP system and could easily convert my 40m quad loop. Instead of a fixed resistor going to Earth at one end use a 1 Kohm variable resistor and adjust for best front to back in the selected direction, although at my QTH noise is not a problem in any direction, so the advantage would be minimal except for some gain maybe. A motor driven resistor might be useful for some. I get good results with the bi directional 40m loop N/S and do not feel that I am missing anything but I might try the K9AY if I get time. I do not use a preamp, but on 137 it might enhance sensitivity. mal/g3kev . [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 75bd9e83b9a4dd6aff3296cebc5bb885 Subject: LF: K9AY ANT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD457A.927BB580" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:380704672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fd1fe22220a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD457A.927BB580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF I have been investigating the K9AY LOOP system and could easily convert = my 40m quad loop. Instead of a fixed resistor going to Earth at one end = use a 1 Kohm variable resistor and adjust for best front to back in the = selected direction, although at my QTH noise is not a problem in any = direction, so the advantage would be minimal except for some gain maybe. A motor driven resistor might be useful for some.=20 I get good results with the bi directional 40m loop N/S and do not feel = that I am missing anything but I might try the K9AY if I get time. I do not use a preamp, but on 137 it might enhance sensitivity. mal/g3kev . ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD457A.927BB580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
I have been investigating the K9AY LOOP system = and could=20 easily convert my 40m quad loop. Instead of a fixed resistor going to = Earth at=20 one end use a 1 Kohm variable resistor and adjust for best front to back = in the=20 selected direction, although at my QTH noise is not a problem in any = direction,=20 so the advantage would be minimal except for some gain = maybe.
A motor driven resistor might be useful for = some.=20
I get good results with the bi directional 40m = loop N/S=20 and do not feel that I am missing anything but I might try the K9AY if I = get=20 time.
I do not use a preamp, but on 137 it might = enhance=20 sensitivity.
mal/g3kev
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[...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 87d710a16221a80896a53ba5f0e97029 Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4A92.446988A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:475104128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fda7b590138 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4A92.446988A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good point Pete Not as yet , as all ways , the democratic way , anyone any ideas = !!!=20 will need to post a request in the yahoo groups as well =20 Tnx - G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:35 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR=20 Hi Graham Is there a dial frequency for Opera on the new 500kc/s allocation? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 22:49 Subject: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR=20 Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR =20 Good chance of a RA decode ? G. Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC)=20 PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:44=20 PA0A G0KTN 600m OPERA 623 kms 21:40:52=20 PA3ABK G0KTN 600m OPERA 491 kms 18:53:57=20 PA0A G3XDV 600m OPERA 465 kms 21:40:53=20 PA3ABK G3XDV 600m OPERA 337 kms 18:53:58=20 PA0A PA3ABK 600m OPERA 186 kms 21:40:51=20 PA0A PA0LPN 600m OPERA 140 kms 20:41:39=20 PA3ABK PA0LPN 600m OPERA 71 kms 18:53:57=20 PA3ABK PA0LCE 600m OPERA 54 kms 18:53:58=20 PA0A PA0A 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:35=20 RA3TTS RA3TTS 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:45=20 PA0BIE PA0BIE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:15:09=20 PA0LCE PA0LCE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:38:51=20 M0FMT M0FMT 600m OPERA 0 kms 20:44:28=20 RX3DHR RX3DHR 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:40:29=20 PA3ABK PA3ABK 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:39:02=20 RN3AGC RN3AGC 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:38:55=20 G3XDV G3XDV 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:37:32=20 PA0LPN PA0LPN 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:38=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4A92.446988A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good point Pete
 
Not  as  yet , as all ways  , the  = democratic  way=20 , anyone any  ideas  !!!
will need to post a request in the  yahoo groups as=20 well  
 
Tnx - G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR=20

Hi Graham
 
Is there a dial frequency for Opera on the new 500kc/s=20 allocation?
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, 14 = June 2012,=20 22:49
Subject: LF: = Opera 500Khz=20 monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR
Opera  500Khz monitors  RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR 
 
Good chance of  a  RA  decode  ?
 
G.
 
 
Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC) PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:44 PA0A G0KTN 600m OPERA 623 kms 21:40:52 PA3ABK G0KTN 600m OPERA 491 kms 18:53:57 PA0A G3XDV 600m OPERA 465 kms 21:40:53 PA3ABK G3XDV 600m OPERA 337 kms 18:53:58 PA0A PA3ABK 600m OPERA 186 kms 21:40:51 PA0A PA0LPN 600m OPERA 140 kms 20:41:39 PA3ABK PA0LPN 600m OPERA 71 kms 18:53:57 PA3ABK PA0LCE 600m OPERA 54 kms 18:53:58 PA0A PA0A 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:35 RA3TTS RA3TTS 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:45 PA0BIE PA0BIE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:15:09 PA0LCE PA0LCE 600m OPERA 0 kms 19:38:51 M0FMT M0FMT 600m OPERA 0 kms 20:44:28 RX3DHR RX3DHR 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:40:29 PA3ABK PA3ABK 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:39:02 RN3AGC RN3AGC 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:38:55 G3XDV G3XDV 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:37:32 PA0LPN PA0LPN 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:26:38
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Content preview: Tracy No , Opera uses 'dial - usb' as the operating frequency , with audio frequency ranges of QSO 1200 / 1600 Hz Becn 1600 / 1800 Hz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b16f5c37bc0c21b41453c2ac5e65973c Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CD4BC2.9BB9DC00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454797248:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fdc79ee708c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CD4BC2.9BB9DC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracy No , Opera uses 'dial - usb' as the operating frequency , with = audio frequency ranges of=20 QSO 1200 / 1600 Hz Becn 1600 / 1800 Hz=20 Assume then , 477 , would be zero beat , same as the qrg for 500 = is 500Khz , making the lowest freq 501.2 Khz 200 hz inside = the band=20 Albert's idea may be a good option , as the lower audio limit = is 1200 Hz ? G.. From: Tracey Gardner=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:44 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? If you're talking about spot on 477kHz there are four NDB carriers = nominally on that frequency. 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Up to now , 477 is the only frequency on offer ? G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? I'd go with that Albert. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Albert To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5072 - Release Date: = 06/15/12 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CD4BC2.9BB9DC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tracy
 
No , Opera  uses  'dial - usb'   as the =20 operating  frequency  , with  audio frequency ranges = of=20
 
QSO    1200 / 1600  Hz
Becn    1600 / 1800  Hz
 
Assume then , 477 , would  be  zero beat  , same = as =20 the  qrg  for  500  is   500Khz , =20 making  the  lowest  freq     501.2 = Khz =20 200 hz inside the band
 
Albert's  idea may  be  a good  option  , = as=20 the  lower  audio  limit  is  1200 Hz  = ?
 
G..

From: Tracey Gardner
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:44 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

If you're talking about spot on 477kHz there are four NDB carriers=20 nominally on that frequency.
 
73s Tracey
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 12:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera = QRG for=20 472 Khz Band ??

Up to now , 477 is the  only  frequency   on = offer=20 ?
 
G.

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

I'd go with that Albert.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Albert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, 15 = June 2012,=20 10:54
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

G,

Just = to start=20 the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz.

73,=20 Albert





No virus found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.2177 / = Virus=20 Database: 2433/5072 - Release Date: = 06/15/12

------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CD4BC2.9BB9DC00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8F22A380000A1; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfz8d-0000M7-5O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:58:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfz8c-0000Ly-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:58:26 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfz8a-0003aD-NT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:58:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P7yN1j0094U6hVe037yPAP; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:58:23 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <0D4DC6EEC79B42328EDCDEFB0B10830B@AGB> <9BC6879BA28949A9A5292FB65ACD03BD@W1KW> In-Reply-To: <9BC6879BA28949A9A5292FB65ACD03BD@W1KW> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:58:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120616-1, 16/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Geri Watching for your signal off air on 477 at the moment .......just starting to go dark , web-browser froze , but now back running , so am monitoring 477 via delft and off air Liverpool at the moment . [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 86b6d14137f1f41166b7b27a17921f7a Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017E_01CD4C02.C42929D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488603040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fdce5960773 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017E_01CD4C02.C42929D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Geri=20 Watching for your signal off air on 477 at the moment = .......just starting to go dark , web-browser froze , but now = back running , so am monitoring 477 via delft and off air = Liverpool at the moment . Ok, on the exciter, I use the Racal MA1723 , which will run ok = past 500 Khz , just checked and the ROS-MF 2 mode is -28 dB = min s/n =20 Its possible that 477.400 could be used , in the last 200 Hz , = as the mode is 100 Hz wide =20 Good results for you on the first day ! 73 -G.=20 From: DK8KW & DI2BO=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 Graham, I will look into ROS, I have a SSB exciter that works down to 100 kHz = which should be able to do the trick. Thanks, 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 DF2JP=20 First station to decode off air , at -22 dB that is strong = enough to use the ROS-MF-2 data mode for a qso ! , Opera qso = mode needs -20 dB min signal level ,=20 (ROS MF needs Audio + ssb or SDR tx , but is MFSK so no need = for a linear PA ) 18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w + = Umbrella,=20 18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com=20 Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft =20 73 -G.=20 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB *********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20 16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella ------=_NextPart_000_017E_01CD4C02.C42929D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok  Geri
 
Watching  for  your  signal  off  = air =20 on  477 at the  moment  .......just  starting  = to =20 go  dark  , web-browser  froze , but  now  = back =20 running  , so  am monitoring    477  = via =20 delft  and  off air  Liverpool  at the  moment = .
 
Ok, on the exciter, I use the   Racal MA1723 , = which =20 will  run  ok  past  500 Khz  , just =20 checked  and  the  ROS-MF 2 mode  is   -28 = dB  min  s/n 
 
Its possible  that  477.400  could  be  = used =20 , in the  last  200 Hz  , as the  mode  = is  100=20 Hz  wide 
 
Good  results for  you  on the  first  day = !
 
73 -G.

From: DK8KW & DI2BO
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

Graham,
 
I will look into ROS, I have a SSB = exciter=20 that works down to 100 kHz which should be able to do the=20 trick.
 
 
Thanks, 73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 9:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera = decode=20 from 477 via Delft sdr

DF2JP
 
First  station  to  decode  off  air , = at =20 -22 dB   that is  strong enough  to  use = the =20 ROS-MF-2  data  mode  for  a qso !   ,=20 Opera  qso mode  needs  -20 dB min signal  = level  ,=20
 
(ROS MF needs  Audio + ssb  or  SDR   = tx  ,=20 but  is  MFSK  so  no need  for  a  = linear=20 PA )
 

18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella,

18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com
Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

*********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20

 

16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Chris, Thanks for sharing this interesting paper. Well, the circuit looks quite complex but the image of the final construction looks compact. Since we got access to 472 kHz a weeks ago, i need another receive antenna now, since all my front ends are resonanted, i.e. mono band. So the advantage of a single receive antenna becomes more and more convincing to me. Of course it needs a high dynamic range without distortion of the spectrum then.. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: c1f72e5acb1277e013f90c915ad7ad68 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:423851232:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fe6f79c0f48 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Chris, Thanks for sharing this interesting paper. Well, the circuit looks quite complex but the image of the final construction looks compact. Since we got access to 472 kHz a weeks ago, i need another receive antenna now, since all my front ends are resonanted, i.e. mono band. So the advantage of a single receive antenna becomes more and more convincing to me. Of course it needs a high dynamic range without distortion of the spectrum then.. A question: The DC supply voltage is connected to e.g. C16? What might be the lower cutoff frequency if values for the input LP and HP filters are well choosen? It should be possible to extend the circuit to the VLF range (?). 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 23.06.2012 17:53, schrieb Chris Trask: > This amplifier provides better performance than either the Wellbrook or Pixel commercial products: > > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper009.html > > > Chris Trask > N7ZWY / WDX3HLB > Senior Member IEEE > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DBAAB3800009A; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfyOR-0008R5-1G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:10:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfyOM-0008Qw-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:10:38 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfyOJ-0003Nr-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:10:36 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P7Aa1j00C4U6hVe037AbyH; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:10:35 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <0D4DC6EEC79B42328EDCDEFB0B10830B@AGB> In-Reply-To: <0D4DC6EEC79B42328EDCDEFB0B10830B@AGB> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:10:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: DF2JP First station to decode off air , at -22 dB that is strong enough to use the ROS-MF-2 data mode for a qso ! , Opera qso mode needs -20 dB min signal level , (ROS MF needs Audio + ssb or SDR tx , but is MFSK so no need for a linear PA ) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 34d483c57c7a6bf26c25db3c8765d5fc Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0143_01CD4BFC.16A6E2D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:455190592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554fdcda6e314d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0143_01CD4BFC.16A6E2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DF2JP=20 First station to decode off air , at -22 dB that is strong = enough to use the ROS-MF-2 data mode for a qso ! , Opera qso = mode needs -20 dB min signal level ,=20 (ROS MF needs Audio + ssb or SDR tx , but is MFSK so no need = for a linear PA ) 18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w + = Umbrella,=20 18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w + = Umbrella From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com=20 Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft =20 73 -G.=20 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB *********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20 16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w + = Umbrella ------=_NextPart_000_0143_01CD4BFC.16A6E2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DF2JP
 
First  station  to  decode  off  air , = at =20 -22 dB   that is  strong enough  to  use = the =20 ROS-MF-2  data  mode  for  a qso !   , = Opera =20 qso mode  needs  -20 dB min signal  level  ,
 
(ROS MF needs  Audio + ssb  or  SDR   = tx  ,=20 but  is  MFSK  so  no need  for  a  = linear PA=20 )
 

18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w + = Umbrella,

18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com
Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

*********** 16/06/2012 *********** =

 

16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella

------=_NextPart_000_0143_01CD4BFC.16A6E2D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DFEAC38000095; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 05:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si0KS-0004bz-DI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:39:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si0KR-0004bq-TO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:38:59 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si0KP-0002DS-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:38:58 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhgFABo85E9cF/ZW/2dsb2JhbABFoBYDlUiBCIITFAEBA0kCFAoDCwIIAgEHARw5AQQaBggcHQECAgEBh366IJEwA4gUhTaXY4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,457,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395707741" Received: from host-92-23-246-86.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.86]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 2012 10:38:56 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01cd505a$d79cd230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:38:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF Experiment this morning on 475 Khz band. Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz. Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB attenuation inserted120dB [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 1e15d6d6179985f133b43d42d658878a Subject: LF: NF MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD505A.D7614FD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:247841296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074fe43d6d2fa6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD505A.D7614FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF Experiment this morning on 475 Khz band. Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz. Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB attenuation = inserted-------------120dB Antenna 1/4 wave inv L connected 95dB therefore a gain of 25 dB Time 0900 utc ----daytime Band quiet no static -- typical radio = environment at this QTH=20 I must do this check after dark g3kev =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD505A.D7614FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
Experiment this morning on 475 Khz = band.
 
Flex 3000 SDR rx on 475 Khz.
 
Noise floor - no antenna -----with 10dB = attenuation=20 inserted-------------120dB
 
Antenna 1/4 wave inv L connected  95dB = therefore a=20 gain of 25 dB
 
Time 0900 utc  ----daytime   Band = quiet no=20 static -- typical radio environment at this QTH
 
I must do this check after dark
 
g3kev
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD505A.D7614FD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E7E4D38000091; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbv13-0005zy-GW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:45:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbv12-0005zp-U8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:45:48 +0100 Received: from smtp1web.tin.it ([212.216.176.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbv0z-0002iA-Os for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:45:47 +0100 Received: from fep-mail-web-l2b.virgilio.net (212.48.20.162) by smtp1web.tin.it (8.6.023.02) id 4ECA1AC40335F423; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:45:44 +0200 Message-ID: <137bd1bc883.marcocadeddu@tin.it> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:45:44 +0200 (CEST) From: "marcocadeddu@tin.it" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: john.rabson@numeo.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 81.201.7.62 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John, LF it's crazy but we had probably the same thought... I had a similar idea few months ago wishing to leave the bulky although satisfying Kenwood TS950 on HF instead of run as IF for my LF transverter. Just for fate (looking for a Drake VFO stabiliser) I went to the site of Cumbria Designs: they offer a kit based on SI570 although with less features than the QRP2000... anyway I got it and I find it suitable as candidate for the core of an LF exciter. I suggest you also a visit to theweb pages of Andy G4JNT http://www.g4jnt. com/LFUpconv.pdf and have a look on his way to interface the audio from PC to the rf of generator. At this time I have to make a new PCB because I made an error ordering to digikey a couple of IC... with smt components it happens! but waiting for the new pcb I'm amusing myself with deadbug construction. Just for fun find in attachment the schematic at its 3rd release (sure not the last because I probably cut the interstage transistors). [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.216.176.195 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (marcocadeddu[at]tin.it) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 T_FREEMAIL_DOC_PDF MS document or PDF attachment, from freemail X-Scan-Signature: 90147e6f13d664e24ede8c05d2bbb24a Subject: R: LF: 137 kHz exciter Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_517_5364979.1338907544094" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81284 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:415930336:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4fce1bce2928 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_Part_517_5364979.1338907544094 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, LF it's crazy but we had probably the same thought... I had a similar idea few months ago wishing to leave the bulky although satisfying Kenwood TS950 on HF instead of run as IF for my LF transverter. Just for fate (looking for a Drake VFO stabiliser) I went to the site of Cumbria Designs: they offer a kit based on SI570 although with less features than the QRP2000... anyway I got it and I find it suitable as candidate for the core of an LF exciter. I suggest you also a visit to theweb pages of Andy G4JNT http://www.g4jnt. com/LFUpconv.pdf and have a look on his way to interface the audio from PC to the rf of generator. At this time I have to make a new PCB because I made an error ordering to digikey a couple of IC... with smt components it happens! but waiting for the new pcb I'm amusing myself with deadbug construction. Just for fun find in attachment the schematic at its 3rd release (sure not the last because I probably cut the interstage transistors). Have fun in construction! 73 Marco, IK1HSS ----Messaggio originale---- Da: john.rabson@numeo.fr Data: 25- mag-2012 8.56 PM A: Ogg: LF: 137 kHz exciter LF, This is now working! I used the QRP 2000 synthesiser (completed with assistance from G8DQX) and have added a divide-by-100 unit based on the design by G3KAU with some modifications: - the original design assumed 10 to 50 W sine wave input. I left out the attenuator because the synthesiser delivers 2.6 V peak to peak square wave, which is enough to drive the 4017, - I was not intending to use anything other than 137 kHz and the power amplifier requires square wave drive, so I left out the post-divider filters, - the output from the second divide-by-10 stage is sufficient to drive my Class E Power Amplifier so I didn't bother with a buffer, - there are several versions of the 4017 but with different capabilities and voltage ratings. I used the CD74HC4017, - and provided a 6 V rail rather than 13. The unit is now in a die-cast box and I shall shortly be testing it with the PA into a dummy load. After that, I need to look at software for driving the synthesiser. For test purposes I have been using the SI570 programmes referred to in the documentation but they clearly are not appropriate for transmission. 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Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to increase the radiation resistance. 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Yes fold it back, = meander it....spacings less than about 2 feet dont add much over a = single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce = the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly = the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) = will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to = increase the radiation resistance. Your diagram is difficult to read but running one of the wires directly = under another will be of no benefit and may be worse than not having = it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at least 2 feet = aside before folding it back.......I think you get the idea. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: LF: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Any thoughts on the best configuration for the top wire ?? Tnx -G, ------=_NextPart_001_005B_01CD4FCC.CE190000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter = too much =20 :-))
The thing is to get as much wire as = high as=20 possible. Yes fold it back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 = feet dont=20 add much over a single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember = this may=20 reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase = slightly=20 the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage=20 points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to=20 ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) will = probably halve=20 you ground losses. It will do very little to increase the radiation=20 resistance.
 
Your diagram is difficult to read but = running one=20 of the wires directly under another will be of no benefit and may be = worse than=20 not having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at = least 2=20 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the = idea.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
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Subject: LF: InV L Top wire = config - Best=20 Option ??

InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best Option = ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  configuration  = for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
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id 1SbsrL-0004be-Rw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:27:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbsrL-0004bV-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:27:39 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbsrJ-000283-Vb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:27:38 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhoFAKv5zU9Ok8Ol/2dsb2JhbABFnlwDlVWBCIIPBBQBAQNJAiELAggCAQYBHTkBBBoGGAQIHQECAgEBh363N5EjA4gNhTCXVIJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,718,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="37167195" Received: from host-78-147-195-165.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.165]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 13:27:36 +0100 Message-ID: <008101cd4316$964358f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open to me in spite of being able to log in I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors going and this will satisfy all concerned. My main objection was the way the transition suddenly took place without proper consultation. I would suggest everyone votes openly on both reflectors, to avoid lock outs like we are hearing about from several others. 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My main objection was the way the transition suddenly took place without = proper consultation. I would suggest everyone votes openly on both reflectors, to avoid lock = outs like we are hearing about from several others. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CD4316.960C9180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
I cannot vote on yahoo, the options are not open = to me in=20 spite of being able to log in
I therefore VOTE here to keep both reflectors = going and=20 this will satisfy all concerned.
My main objection was the way the transition=20 suddenly took place without proper consultation.
I would suggest everyone votes openly on both = reflectors,=20 to avoid lock outs like we are hearing about from several = others.
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mal Very intersting Did you hear any of the Border Blaster X stations out of Mexico, quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with massive antennas haloed with a corona that could be seen right across the border into Texas, pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n Roll to the Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Ionosphere than the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at night. Amazing range which upset the US gov. [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.108.205 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-227392023-1340622421=:48239" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:300509088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d001.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4fe846de4c9b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror ---1613889061-227392023-1340622421=:48239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal=0A=A0=0AVery intersting=0A=A0=0ADid you hear any of the Border Blast= er X stations out of Mexico, quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with = massive antennas haloed with a corona that could be seen right across the b= order into Texas,=A0pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n Roll to the = Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Ionosphere tha= n=A0the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at night. Amazing ra= nge which upset the US gov.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_______= _________________________=0A From: mal hamilton =0AT= o: rsgb =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 10:34= =0ASubject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006=0A =0A=0A =0ATerry es Co =0A=A0 = =0AShow me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Google maps then. =0AG= 3KEV/VR4MC =0A=0A=A0. ---1613889061-227392023-1340622421=:48239 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mal
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Very intersting
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Did you hear any of the Border Blaster X= stations out of Mexico, quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with mass= ive antennas haloed with a corona that could be seen right acr= oss the border into Texas, pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n = Roll to the Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Io= nosphere than the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at ni= ght. Amazing range which upset the US gov.
73 es GL Pe= te M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net&= gt;
To: rsgb <rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent= : Monday, 25 June 2012, 10:34
Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006
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=0A<= div>Terry es Co
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Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no G= PS or Google maps then.
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G3KEV/VR4MC
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---1613889061-227392023-1340622421=:48239-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 372AB380000AA; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 05:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb6qM-00055y-Hv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:11:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb6qL-00055p-Ti for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:11:25 +0100 Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb6qK-0000Pc-6x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:11:24 +0100 Received: by bkty5 with SMTP id y5so6506493bkt.16 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:11:21 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=nj/d5pRofUBNtfSUDPVQX0lmt45EXKbG/mKDDHj4iO0=; b=I5uDfiqPNifFCsAhnDm1lFR0FXlx/NXtZK+swAgzkimkkR+KGMI7VQvbsaAs+u6LxY 7Oe/5lCfO2ijlQhb3d+bzc5XREd9c6G3HsbdngbJFpt1b/4eG4z05GbufjJ22BW5RrXa 5O6B5HKB1rioDVcV6W4wiMpk1RUUSlQ7JmDt8xWE5jhz2IFeXA3r+XxKPinMnGS5ejis LhUrheR0OFtHZR1eLP5yRfNKG+0z7yY+KF7Am/Gk6XV/P0p8+8/Bf3xzCQxroyhjkx+o 6347OWBSJbp7bDLC00T74R+82Im1gR8mOQNXIP6awL4hqcNUOAc5g2ogxRXB7Cews5bV Hcrw== Received: by 10.205.133.13 with SMTP id hw13mr4553138bkc.30.1338714681625; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.197] (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de. [77.21.14.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n19sm6635330bkv.14.2012.06.03.02.11.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:11:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> From: DK8KW & DI2BO X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:11:18 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi, While I can understand some people's wishes to continue on the blacksheep server, those should understand that the move to Yahoo is not because email servers are suddenly outdated and not 'en vogue' any longer. There are reasons behind this transition. Some (many?) of us had trouble to post in the past couple of months and were on 'read only' mode due to some issues with the server. I had tried multiple times to post here and, due to the lack of time, I had to give up. Only recently I found a workaround by using a completely different email account. I am glad that with the Yahoo Group I can return to read and hopefully post on a regular basis, making use of the LF/MF's community joint intelligence and experience. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dk8kw.di2bo[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1708620d3ce65bee0beaaede7929769a Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1464fcb2a763bcf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi, While I can understand some people's wishes to continue on the blacksheep se= rver, those should understand that the move to Yahoo is not because email se= rvers are suddenly outdated and not 'en vogue' any longer. There are reasons= behind this transition. Some (many?) of us had trouble to post in the past c= ouple of months and were on 'read only' mode due to some issues with the ser= ver. I had tried multiple times to post here and, due to the lack of time, I= had to give up. Only recently I found a workaround by using a completely di= fferent email account. I am glad that with the Yahoo Group I can return to r= ead and hopefully post on a regular basis, making use of the LF/MF's communi= ty joint intelligence and experience. Talking about advertisements and spam: the email address that I used only fo= r the LF-reflector has been swamped in the past years by mails from people f= rom foreign countries offering a lot of money if I assist them to transfer m= oney of numerous people who suddenly and sadly passed away. I am glad to get= rid of those spams as well now and gladly take into account some advertisem= ents on the Yahoo group. 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO On 03.06.2012, at 10:37, pws wrote: > To John, G3WKL, >=20 > Please do NOT shut down this reflector. >=20 > 1. It's active in positive sense. >=20 > 2. There are too many hams here who say > "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven > Brave New World were each posting will be > "googleable" for ever. Me too. >=20 > That's the reason I unsubscribed from > some Yapoo-Groups recently. >=20 > 73 Peter, df3lp >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4472D38000090; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXhA-0002ut-Au for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:40:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfXh9-0002uk-Oc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:40:15 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfXh7-0006e0-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:40:14 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkkFALJH209cHnS//2dsb2JhbABFgkWiMJBdgQiCEwUBAQQBCAEBAyAhCAIhBQYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGAIGDAoIBg8EAQkBAgIBAQELBIdcAwYJB7A7A4lYizaCdoMbA4gPhTSRBYZZgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,417,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="38608143" Received: from host-92-30-116-191.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.116.191]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 15:40:12 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01cd4b04$c2af4070$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" References: <1339764331.93564.androidMobile@web87306.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, <62B235AA2E5B403DBB68DD1DCBE0FFCC@TraceyPC> <4FDB4937.5414.64D2FC4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:40:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Un supervised amateur Beacons will be the most likely cause of QRM both to other amateurs in QSO mode and the NDB service. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Dennison To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 878378c84d659d633f9d7bc29982f8f5 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD4B04.C27851F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:428363168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fdb497d0f21 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD4B04.C27851F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Un supervised amateur Beacons will be the most likely cause of QRM both = to other amateurs in QSO mode and the NDB service. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Dennison=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 Guard bands for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as the MCW=20 receivers would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any=20 interference from amateurs is likely to be extremely local. Our small=20 signal working is likely to suffer more QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs than = to=20 them. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz. > Twelve of those have been logged from the UK. > The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide detailed > information on frequencies which should be avoided. It should be = borne > in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of approx 400Hz and > 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of specific slots to = be > wary of. >=20 > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ >=20 > Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some form = of > guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with NDBs? >=20 > 73s Tracey G5VU __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (9)=20 Recent Activity: a.. 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Un supervised amateur Beacons will be the most = likely=20 cause of QRM both to other amateurs in QSO mode and the NDB=20 service.
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike Dennison
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 = 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] = Band=20 Planning for 472 Khz Band ?

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Guard bands for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as the = MCW=20
receivers would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any =
interference=20 from amateurs is likely to be extremely local. Our small
signal = working is=20 likely to suffer more QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs than to =
them.

Mike,=20 G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

> Twenty-seven NDBs = have been logged in Europe=20 between 472-479kHz.
> Twelve of those have been logged from the=20 UK.
> The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide=20 detailed
> information on frequencies which should be avoided. = It should=20 be borne
> in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of = approx 400Hz=20 and
> 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of specific = slots to=20 be
> wary of.
>
> http://www.classaxe.com/dx/n= db/reu/
>=20
> Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some = form=20 of
> guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with = NDBs?
>
> 73s Tracey = G5VU

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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD4B04.C27851F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D65CC380000D6; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiVrT-0002T3-Kp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:19:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiVrS-0002Su-AT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:19:10 +0100 Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com ([74.125.82.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiVrQ-0006zO-R7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:19:09 +0100 Received: by wgbfa7 with SMTP id fa7so1997718wgb.28 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:19:06 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HjS1E8sRPVv6W6EZn4/6bZtxvzy6K8TjO7fJVINKRik=; b=S0Eh0MW3QDPr2wsAdtljvEH6eIatRxguEdnMGmHODmzLkyXNJ7+D3Xar0G0xrEfqTN b1aqLIziesZhLJDrv8UaAyJTNxeiTGoKeD9RlQwGezNwVVU+W/ncX8QEZdyHtl+glGe2 BQhgikpm/lgBb+RxVZTc+MMak6y1dOHkuyOa/XxjW2NGgZFbzF7XOQXN/m1l1BW6lN+t TyTC5dfKTul7a80kVAsdv2YlclHGw/hP0vKcbUXRa/mzQod1Rr5+teCpvHih35JwZJSt nxpPd3DbTY0Clk/PLyoPmmxqnvTZaLIqVVnUK+oA2XajJ2mo0d/5UD3NNKlDV3ib0l/8 EYeg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.87.232 with SMTP id bb8mr13678312wib.0.1340479146483; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:19:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello the list, Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester which now has taken over Jackson Bros? I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... 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Content preview: Yesnoticed Dave Pick G3YXM was on 500kc/s Opera, I also noticed I was giving G3XIZ -28dB then realised my antenna was not connected to the RX!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 22:52 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.246 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ae3221d431bd19e5880aa98eda07ece4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-1848560748-1338675007=:90457" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487816768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4fca8f8948a5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-1848560748-1338675007=:90457 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=0AYesnoticed Dave Pick=A0G3YXM was on 500kc/s Opera, I also noticed I w= as giving G3XIZ=A0-28dB then realised my antenna was not connected to the R= X!!!=0A=A073 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A______________________________= __=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 22:52=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on= 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT=0A =0A=0A =0ANo problem Pete =0A=0ASeems= =A0 activity on=A0=A0 500k=A0 mid=A0 summer=A0 =0Ais=A0 higher=A0 than=A0 m= id winter=A0 , over=A0 16 stations=A0 =0Ashowing=A0 up=A0 to=A0 day , and= =A0 one=A0 new=A0 station =0A=A0to=A0 MF=A0 on my=A0 decode=A0 list=A0 19:3= 4 500 G3YXM Op4 +2 dB=A0: ) =0A=A0 =0AAe system=A0 is=A0 working=A0 well=A0= , top =0Aof=A0 my=A0 loaded=A0 wire=A0 L=A0 is bent=A0 back=A0 on =0Aits s= elf , not=A0 convinced its the=A0 best arrangement ,=A0 now =0Athe=A0 mast = has=A0 been=A0 replaced=A0 and the=A0 blocks=A0 =0Aare=A0 free, I can=A0 tr= y a=A0 few=A0 changes , see=A0=A0 what =0Ahappens , luckily=A0 with=A0 abou= t=A0 150 watts=A0 I can=A0 =0Adecode=A0 via the=A0 delft=A0 web-sdr=A0 , so= =A0 thats a =0Agood=A0=A0 remote=A0 f/s=A0 meter hi=A0 =0A=A0 =0A73 -G.=A0 = =0A=0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 6:41 PM =0ATo: rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB= RX dial - NOW =0AQRT =0A =0AThanks for all the info Graham locally we have= Chris G3XIZ on and now =0Ame it only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure wil= l get into this, I mailed him =0Atoday ........... via this medium. =0A=A0 = =0AThe Rig I=A0described it is capable of much higher power =0A(depending u= pon output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's =0Acur= rently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for the = =0Alogic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, limi= ts the =0Apower to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate the = supply to the =0APA and get a lot more from the device I supose. =0AThe out= put goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer =0Avia a short= =A0coax lead then to=A02 link turns,=A0then from the "Top" =0Aof the transf= ormer to the=A0up lead which goes through teflon insulating =0Awashers thro= ught the wall and straight up=A0 to the 8inch ribbed glass=A0insulator abou= t 35 feet then on=A0a slope to a =0A24foot mast (soon to increased to 35fee= t). Tuned against several long earthing =0Awires. =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FM= T IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Graham =0A=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012, =0A17:19=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX d= ial=0A=0A=0AOk=A0 Pete, =0A=0AThese are all=A0 the=A0 decodes=A0 I have , I= was using the=A0 =0ASkanti=A0 r5003=A0 Rx=A0 with=A0=A0=A0 40 ft alloy =0A= scaffold=A0 pole=A0=A0 vertical=A0 , no=A0 atu , only=A0 =0Athe=A0 pre-sele= ctor=A0 in the=A0 rx , fed vis=A0 abt=A0 90 feet =0Aof=A0 rg213 coax =0A= =0AGood=A0 signal=A0 for=A0 10 watts=A0 , just on the=A0 =0Aedge=A0 for the= =A0 qso=A0 mode=A0 , at=A0 -20 dB=A0 minimum , =0Abut=A0 15 watts=A0 would= =A0 do=A0 the=A0 job ! =0A=0AAs I say=A0 its=A0 the=A0 only=A0 plug-and-pla= y=A0=A0 =0Adata=A0 mode=A0 , just plug in place of the=A0 CW key=A0 ( the= =A0 =0Adevelopment=A0 was=A0 based on the=A0 racal=A0 ma1723=A0 , =0Ain=A0 = CW mode at=A0 20=A0 wpm=A0 as the maximum=A0=A0 =0Akeying=A0 speed and=A0 e= nvelope=A0 shape) =0A=0A=0A73 -G. =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0A14:00 500 = M0FMT Op4 -21 dB13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB = =0A13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:07 500 M0= FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB = =0A12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB =0A12:38 500 M0= FMT Op4 -20 dB =0A12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB =0A12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB = =0A12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB =0A11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB =0A=0A=0A=0A = =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Ad= ial =0A =0AHi Graham =0A=A0 =0AYes very pleased with it so far I will chang= e power soon trying to =0Amake up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable= power on the =0Arig (GW3UEP) Class E Fet O/P stage Gate. =0APC not crashed= .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actually done nothing to =0Astop it..= ..... weird. =0A=A0I have only just got my head around opera...... =A0thou= ght it was =0Aa linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more li= ke a CW transmission which I =0Alike. =0A=0AThanks for all the info on oper= a btw. =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A___________________________= _____=0AFrom: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, =0A13:37=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: =0Ab= eacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A=0A=0AWow=A0=A0 and that=A0 was=A0 just u= sing the=A0 Op=A0 =0Aw/fall !=A0 You=A0 could=A0 reduce to=A0 2 watts=A0=A0= =0Aand=A0 still=A0 decode !=A0=A0 =0A=0AGlad the=A0 system=A0 is=A0 worki= ng=A0 for=A0 you =0A=0AG.. =0A=0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Saturday, June= 02, 2012 1:33 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: = Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial =0A =0AThanks Paul =0A=A0 =0AGraham= is right about QRG. =0A=A0 =0AMy PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3= using my HB PIC keyer =0A(not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer = looking.=0A =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_________________________= _______=0AFrom: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, =0A13:12=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: = =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A=0A=0A =0Acould be=A0=A0 503.275=A0 ?= =A0=A0 +/-=A0=A0 a =0Abit=A0 ! =0A=0AG. =0A=0A =0AFrom: Clemens Paul =0ASe= nt: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0ACc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk =0ASubject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.5= 9kc/s USB RX dial =0A =0A>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting =0A=A0 =0AWhat = is the actual tx qrg then? =0AJust for exactly looking if the signal is vis= ible at =0Aall. =0A=A0 =0A73=0AClemens=0ADL4RAJ =0A----- Original Message = ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Sat= urday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM =0A>Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX d= ial =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX= dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.=0A>=0A>73 Pete FMT=0A> =0A>=0A>73 es GL= Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>=A0 =0A>= E-Mail ist virenfrei.=0A>Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de=0A>Version: =0A= 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012 ---357169082-1848560748-1338675007=:90457 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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Yes noticed Dave Pick G3YXM was on 500kc/s= Opera, I also noticed I was giving G3XIZ -28dB then real= ised my antenna was not connected to the RX!!!
=  73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <= g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Se= nt: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 22:52
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial= - NOW QRT

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No problem Pete
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Seems  ac= tivity on   500k  mid  summer  =0Ais  higher&= nbsp; than  mid winter  , over  16 stations  =0Ashowing=   up  to  day , and  one  new  station =0A&nb= sp;to  MF  on my  decode  list  19:34 500 G3YXM Op4 +2 dB : )
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Ae system  is&n= bsp; working  well  , top =0Aof  my  loaded  wire&= nbsp; L  is bent  back  on =0Aits self , not  convinced= its the  best arrangement ,  now =0Athe  mast has  bee= n  replaced  and the  blocks  =0Aare  free, I can&= nbsp; try a  few  changes , see   what =0Ahappens , luc= kily  with  about  150 watts  I can  =0Adecode&nbs= p; via the  delft  web-sdr  , so  thats a =0Agood =   remote  f/s  meter hi 
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73 -G.  =0A
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From: M0FMT
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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 6:41 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 5= 01.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW =0AQRT
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Th= anks for all the info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on and now =0Ame i= t only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I mailed him = =0Atoday ........... via this medium.
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&nbs= p;
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The Rig I described it is capable of much higher= power =0A(depending upon output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in = PA voltage it's =0Acurrently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltag= e regulators for the =0Alogic stages they will only stand about 25volts max= , with this rig, limits the =0Apower to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose = I could separate the supply to the =0APA and get a lot more from the device= I supose.
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The output goes straight into the aeri= al 100mm diameter transformer =0Avia a short coax lead then to 2 = link turns, then from the "Top" =0Aof the transformer to the up l= ead which goes through teflon insulating =0Awashers throught the wall and s= traight up  to =0Athe 8in= ch ribbed glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope to a =0A2= 4foot mast (soon to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long earthi= ng =0Awires.
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73 es GL= Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From:= Graham =0A<g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, = =0A17:19
Subject: Re: L= F: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

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Ok  Pete,=0A
 
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These are all  the  decodes = I have , I was using the  =0ASkanti  r5003  Rx  with&n= bsp;   40 ft alloy =0Ascaffold  pole   vertical&nb= sp; , no  atu , only  =0Athe  pre-selector  in the = ; rx , fed vis  abt  90 feet =0Aof  rg213 coax
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Good  signal  for  10 watts  , jus= t on the  =0Aedge  for the  qso  mode  , at  = -20 dB  minimum , =0Abut  15 watts  would  do  the=   job !
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As I say  its  the&= nbsp; only  plug-and-play   =0Adata  mode  , just = plug in place of the  CW key  ( the  =0Adevelopment  wa= s  based on the  racal  ma1723  , =0Ain  CW mode a= t  20  wpm  as the maximum   =0Akeying  speed= and  envelope  shape)
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73 -G.
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12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
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12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB
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12= :14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
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11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB
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= From: M0F= MT
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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM
=0A<= div>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A=0A
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial
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Hi Graham
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Yes very pleased with it so far I will chang= e power soon trying to =0Amake up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable power on the =0Ar= ig (GW3UEP) Class E Fet O/P sta= ge Gate. =0APC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actually do= ne nothing to =0Astop it....... = weird.
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 I have only ju= st got my head around opera......  thought it was =0Aa linear mode but= this makes sense for LF comms.= much more like a CW transmission which I =0Alike.
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Thanks for all the info on opera btw.
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: =0AGraham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g =0A
Sent: Saturday, 2= June 2012, =0A13:37
Subject: Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

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Wow   and that = was  just using the  Op  =0Aw/fall !  You  could&= nbsp; reduce to  2 watts   =0Aand  still  decode !=   
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Glad the  system  = is  working  for  you
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G.. =
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From: M0FMT
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Sent: Saturday, June 0= 2, 2012 1:33 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 50= 1.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial
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Thanks Paul
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Graham is right a= bout QRG.
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My PC keeps crashing so may go back = to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer =0A(not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Tha= nks fer looking.
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: =0AGraham <= g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk&g= t;
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A
Sent: Saturday, 2 J= une 2012, =0A13:12
Subject:= Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

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could be&= nbsp;  503.275  ?   +/-   a =0Abit  !=0A
 
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G.
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From: Clemens Paul =0A
=0A<= div>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
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To: <= a title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" ymailto=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
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Cc:= rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk =0A=0A
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial
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>on 501.59kc/s USB= RX dial setting
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What is the actual tx qrg then?
=0AJust for exactly looking if the signal is visible at =0A= all.
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=0A
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
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----- =0A Original Message -----
= =0A
From: =0A M0FMT
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Sent: =0A Saturday, June 02, 2012= 1:21 PM
=0A
Subject: =0A LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s= USB RX dial
=0A

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=0A
Hi All

Please report my= beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pe= te FMT
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73 e= s GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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E-Mail ist vi= renfrei.
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---357169082-1848560748-1338675007=:90457-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9284538000093; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeaMV-0001Oy-5O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:18:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeaMU-0001Op-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:18:58 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeaMS-0001Gw-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:18:57 +0100 Received: from BLU153-W20 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:18:54 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.61.82.17] From: Laurence KL7UK To: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:18:53 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FD7CCC5.1010106@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: ,<4FD7CCC5.1010106@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2012 23:18:54.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBE270B0:01CD48F1] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes - I have plans to put my LF and MF gear back on the air next fall. It will be a loop in the forest as verticals are out given losses and Im at the end of a runway! Power would be around 5W ERP or so on 137Khz in the main lobe - Laurence [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.12 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (hellozerohellozero[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: da9a90c67b7e22f6718c156d8d99c1a4 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c4ab96f4-e59d-4cad-9aa0-dc4679ac8079_" Subject: RE: LF: KL1X/5 KL7UK/5 QRT and QSY X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:513832576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44fd7ce924ecb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_c4ab96f4-e59d-4cad-9aa0-dc4679ac8079_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes - I have plans to put my LF and MF gear back on the air next fall. It w= ill be a loop in the forest as verticals are out given losses and Im at the= end of a runway! Power would be around 5W ERP or so on 137Khz in the main = lobe -=20 Laurence Date: Wed=2C 13 Jun 2012 01:12:05 +0200 From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: KL1X/5 KL7UK/5 QRT and QSY =20 Hi Laurence=2C I think you will be happy to come back to your family again. Congrats! Any new big projects on LF in AK now as you'll have more time? Thanks for the efforts you've done to receive me in Oklahoma / EM16TS on December=2C 12th 2011=2C https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC.jpg 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC Am 13.06.2012 01:02=2C schrieb Laurence KL7UK: =20 =20 =20 =20 Chaps - the time has come to exit Oklahoma stage right and am returning to work/live in Alaska with occasional sojourns to Northern Alberta. =20 =20 KL1X/5 (aka KL7UK/5) Bartlesville OK will be closing down likely this evening. =20 =20 Thanks for the fish =20 =20 Laurence "Flo" KL7UK http://kl7uk.com =20 =20 =20 = --_c4ab96f4-e59d-4cad-9aa0-dc4679ac8079_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes - I have plans to put my LF and MF gear back on the air next fall. It w= ill be a loop in the forest as verticals are out given losses and Im at the= end of a runway! Power would be around 5W ERP or so on 137Khz in the main = lobe - =3B

Laurence

Date: Wed=2C 13 Jun 2012 01:12:05= +0200
From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de
To: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: KL1X/5 KL7UK/5 QRT and QSY

=20 Hi Laurence=2C

I think you will be happy to come back to your family again. Congrats!
Any new big projects on LF in AK now as you'll have more time?
Thanks for the efforts you've done to receive me in Oklahoma / EM16TS on December=2C 12th 2011=2C https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC.jpg

73=2C Stefan/DK7FC

Am 13.06.2012 01:02=2C schrieb Laurence KL7UK:

Chaps - the time has come to exit Oklahoma stage right and am returning to work/live in Alaska with occasional sojourns to Northern Alberta.

KL1X/5 (aka KL7UK/5) Bartlesville OK  =3Bwill be closing down likely this evening.

Thanks for the fish

Laurence "Flo" KL7UK

= --_c4ab96f4-e59d-4cad-9aa0-dc4679ac8079_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 44CAB3800008B; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 07:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfrQe-0005kZ-Id for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:44:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfrQe-0005kQ-1G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:44:32 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfrQc-0001e9-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:44:30 +0100 Received: from W1KW (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.14.177]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MDTqb-1ShCD2080T-00HS0M; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:44:29 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW" To: References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> <1339767393.38173.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <6127C0D605D3463B803A5D57D87FEC56@AGB> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:44:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:iC1a6wUDwudNdfdTFFWcMO8EcRCIwZGAg9H/mbWJdB0 bSvZD8EtWNf+3iYru3JoDfIf2K/FH6JxB6NGz2jtjNPmSGBMc2 FWerzuW22OEDxmg5cIZTbZ8PSb67MaK9CoijLU3R2ZXC5lNvKa 6p4kscVFvpxrIqwH+663Srwon+U25oG8k4meKdUCwIlosT+nbM RL342Pj4MUwc1J7bllJiI0URqCjoDDZCOotCXZ0qBn7ovX7woJ kdJ3fc8k0NPqrSxPZQd06CFHBfEf3DCXBM3qNN1gFn18q/bskZ VkebKroaaovTEo8/PavBesGiyfLqDwZpMXnmPZdFbLOpQnzTA= = X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: What are the actual frequencies that are then occupied by OPERA? As long as it is guaranteed that it's all below 2000 Hz above the dial frequency, 477 sounds like a good plan as a start. 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.186 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e51657317b06d9cbe905ec682fad6602 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4BC6.2655FDF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:386968608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fdc71d20cde X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4BC6.2655FDF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What are the actual frequencies that are then occupied by OPERA? As long = as it is guaranteed that it's all below 2000 Hz above the dial = frequency, 477 sounds like a good plan as a start.=20 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Up to now , 477 is the only frequency on offer ? G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? I'd go with that Albert. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Albert To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4BC6.2655FDF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
What are the actual frequencies that = are then=20 occupied by OPERA? As long as it is guaranteed that it's all below 2000 = Hz above=20 the dial frequency, 477 sounds like a good plan as a start. =
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 1:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera = QRG for=20 472 Khz Band ??

Up to now , 477 is the  only  frequency   on = offer=20 ?
 
G.

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

I'd go with that Albert.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Albert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, 15 = June 2012,=20 10:54
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

G,

Just = to start=20 the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz.

73,=20 = Albert





------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4BC6.2655FDF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B4E493800009A; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Seuoa-0004ew-28 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:09:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuoZ-0004eW-K6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:09:19 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeuoX-00063t-Hv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:09:18 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5DL9FbY001222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:09:15 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5DL9Fke004475 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:09:15 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD90118.2050501@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:07:36 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Gary, Tnx for the info. I was already asking myselfe if you're planning a summer break... GL! 73, Stefan Am 13.06.2012 17:40, schrieb Gary G4WGT: > Hi All, > > Sorry to say that the loss of grabber updates is due to a problem with > my PC. > > Unable to resolve early & the grabbers may be off for a few days. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1e15d6d6179985f133b43d42d658878a Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabbers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000701050506020207000805" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:465577152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4fd901a8014b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000701050506020207000805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gary, Tnx for the info. I was already asking myselfe if you're planning a summer break... GL! 73, Stefan Am 13.06.2012 17:40, schrieb Gary G4WGT: > Hi All, > > Sorry to say that the loss of grabber updates is due to a problem with > my PC. > > Unable to resolve early & the grabbers may be off for a few days. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. --------------000701050506020207000805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gary,
Tnx for the info. I was already asking myselfe if you're planning a summer break...

GL! 73, Stefan

Am 13.06.2012 17:40, schrieb Gary G4WGT:
Hi All,

Sorry to say that the loss of grabber updates is due to a problem with my PC.

Unable to resolve early & the grabbers may be off for a few days.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.
--------------000701050506020207000805-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5BF5D3800009A; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SevzF-0005GS-Ri for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:24:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SevzF-0005GJ-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:24:25 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SevzC-0006O1-Ve for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:24:24 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews30.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.196]) by cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 14 Jun 2012 00:24:21 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.22]) by cpsps-ews30.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Thu, 14 Jun 2012 00:24:21 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Thu, 14 Jun 2012 00:24:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD91315.3070102@kpnmail.nl> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 00:24:21 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2012 22:24:21.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[47F8E540:01CD49B3] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Could reach him once, just taking the chance of positive propagation wave. Albert managed to pre-heat the duct towards Moscow having -15dB. Mostly I differ 6-10dB with his signal. The last sequence PA0A slowly disappeared on my end, had to give him 1dB, normally he is 6. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.5 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:396161216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554fd9135f7759 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror Could reach him once, just taking the chance of positive propagation wave. Albert managed to pre-heat the duct towards Moscow having -15dB. Mostly I differ 6-10dB with his signal. The last sequence PA0A slowly disappeared on my end, had to give him 1dB, normally he is 6. 22:21 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -17 dB in Moscow 22:16 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -23 dB in Moscow 22:07 500 PA3ABK de RN3AGC Op4 2178 km -28 dB in Moscow with 40w + L-ant 35m+wat 22:02 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 -15 dB in Moscow 21:53 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -29 dB in Moscow 21:40 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -28 dB in Moscow 21:13 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -24 dB in Moscow 21:06 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -32 dB in Moscow Jan/pa3abk On 14-6-2012 0:04, Graham wrote: > What s/n levels ? > G.. > Txmtr Rcvr > Band > Mode > Distance > Time (UTC) > > PA0A RN3AGC > 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:24 > PA3ABK PA3ABK > 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:45:31 > PA0LPN PA0LPN > 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:05 > -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DF9C53800008A; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sf7M2-0006nk-3d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:32:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sf7M0-0006nb-GU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:32:40 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sf7Lu-0000D2-NH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:32:39 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.8.75]) by mwinf5d26 with ME id NAYV1j00Q1d7sp603AYVWN; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:32:33 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <1339438549.67345.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <85F124CBD59C48FEB97567F3B69B2AC1@lindavideo> <1339499711.77638.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <006a01cd48cb$f2e1aed0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1339599103.18960.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FD900B4.7020905@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1339628355.5649.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <51AD766F39DB486D83959D6053278D61@AGB> <1339665853.36124.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1339665853.36124.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:32:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120614-0, 14/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok P Well I just looked at a pic of the amp , tubes are 811a replacements , good tube , in grounded grid ? , 813 has similar anode dissipation 120 watts , but more gain + neutralisation problems : ( ....... 4cx250 in free fall must of been a spectacular event , touch wideband ! I lost x 3 807 when the bias failed , looked like snow storms inside the tubes before they burst , funny non of the fuses popped , only the main one in the the house ......introduction to transients .. 1 MW Klystron , yes , most think they are little things like local oscillators hihi, what no noise , 'scope-dope' seems to ring a bell .... [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 49fa206fef156ef774912f010a71e2ed Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD4A21.61A657C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:518566368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fd9be11565a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD4A21.61A657C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok P Well I just looked at a pic of the amp , tubes are 811a = replacements , good tube , in grounded grid ? , 813 has similar = anode dissipation 120 watts , but more gain + neutralisation = problems : ( ....... 4cx250 in free fall must of been a spectacular = event , touch wideband ! I lost x 3 807 when the bias failed , = looked like snow storms inside the tubes before they burst , funny = non of the fuses popped , only the main one in the the house = ......introduction to transients .. 1 MW Klystron , yes , most think = they are little things like local oscillators hihi, what no noise = , 'scope-dope' seems to ring a bell ....=20 New radar systems , data processing, digital processing of radar = data has been in place for a very long time... after H2S , not = very much is published about AI ....=20 Good luck with the build projects , Im just slowly acquiring a shack = full of broken equipment as things start to fail due to age , , the = racal syncal-30 is the latest to develop a sense of humour, with = distorted tx audio , first time it was used /P in the Isle of = Man last week .. G.. =20 Don't see any problem with the BS reflector, any attempt to define = what is 'topic' is in these advancing days is perhaps a little = blinkered , =20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:24 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Again Graham The FL2000b has 2 x 572B triodes in parallel grounded grid. These are = directly heated tubes and have carbon anodes. 1/ they give a good light = display and 2/ you can tune up by observing the "blush" on the anodes = (if you wanted to). I have had it years hardly use it got after the = original owner had had it retubed and serviced. Makes a bit of = difference on 80m when the going gets difficult. As with your hipower thyratron all you need is a good multi Kw PSU. Oh = and some x-ray protection? I spent a bit of time in the MoD back in the 90s and one radar I used to = visit was on Scotland's east coast it was very old but nothing to = replace it. The whole transmitter cabin rotated with the antenna. God = knows what the power O/P was. The power pickup was via a pair of = circular channels of mercury and the bottles in the cabin where a sight = to see probably kicked out as much x-ray as they did microwave. We were running a mobile radar fairly modern still thermionic had a = massive single Klystron 1MW pulse! On site was a new solid state phased = array unit there to replace the old rotary cabin Joby but wasn't having = a happy time. A major complaint was the ops couldn't turn the rx gain up = to see the sparkles to be confident it was working..... hee! The new = systems have a lot of software processing before the display reaches the = scopie. Hasen to add I am not a radar expert in any way. When you work = for that outfit you get thrown into jobs you know nothing about. I was = mainly on comms infrastructure and didn't know much about that = either.... ;-0. Oh and yes used 4cx250s and 4cx150 in 2m and 70cms PAs the one for 70 = took off and recked my transverter. They were designs out of the old = RSGB VHF handbook when I were a Jaite! I am not going back to Hi power Tube rigs again its not necessary when = hi power FETs are so cheap. Any way this all a bit off topic. Its bit like the last day at school = before the summer break on this reflector doing what you like before it = gets turned off.... hee! And not much to do with Class d/e or any other = letter of the alphabet.. What I have to sort out is my RX for MF/LF it = is not good, need some ideas? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 1:55 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Ok Pete .. blow up ? !!......Depends on the tubes : )) = http://home.comcast.net/~n6jv/data/6C21.pdf This is what you need (with a bit of re-work) ..... =20 http://www.radartutorial.eu/08.transmitters/tx06.en.html VK or Bust !! FL2000 , with 2 x 813 ? nice amp, my skanti trp5000 has = 2 x 4cx250-b in the PA runs well 1.8/30 Mhz , I use 2 = combined skanti 250 watt solid state 50v linear amps with the = ma1723 for LF>Hf , wide band , just change the ATU hi ..... = could do with a simple class e/d for 500 as the ab1 amps are a = little power hungry ..=20 G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Stefan and Graham Thanks for the comments. None of my MF/LF tx.s run more that 160watts = although by seriesing a couple of PSUs one with a floating ground I can = run about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like seriesing the PSUs so = only do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to build a new high = voltage PSU 100V at a good current rating. The rigs are FET PA IRF840 = etc mostly xtal controlled or xtal mixer type master oscillator (but do = have DDS), into a FET driver chip. And set them as described earlier. I have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s transforming the Low = impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer to drive the = antenna tuner. Front end currently popped!! Using it for QRSS = overnight.Will get it back on soon. My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side issue and am not advocating = them for serious modern MF/LF work. However there is no reason why not. I have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts out = Choke modulated AM and CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on AM on 3.615megs. = The second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now = is again xtal mixer vxo. They use 6CL6 video tubes in the PA. The = 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure out why, it should be = about 5watts. How ever on my new found Opera4 have been reported in PA0 = land (on the limit). I have built and still got one or two 807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking = about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown amateur in the = 1950s and a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 rig on the stocks.... but = probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This to show my thermionic = credentials.... hee! For shear interest I would like to try and make a high efficiency TUBE = PA but probably won't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX = design looks interesting but probably very dodgy to set up, stability = and all. Graham your arc tubes is all very well but what I have read is = that they have a tendency to blow up...... and so do FETs ok so no = change there then. My current limitation to power Stefan is lack of a single stable PSU = with a couple of KW output. The antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and = 128ft top.=20 I don't have a good RX for MF/LF what I have are deaf by others = standards and this is my main area of interest at the moment. I have = used a TS50 and a TS690s full filters plus a couple of direct conversion = HB RX with active filers and notch. Front ends have gone from dual gate mosfet to straight into the mixer = but S/N is still poor evidenced by WSPR and Opera reports I give to = other station who are being received much better elsewhere. If any one = can help me with that then it would make life here on MF/LF a lot = better.=20 Keep the bands open and may get to work you Stefan now you have = 472/9....... why the delay in the UK???? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=E4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012, 22:05 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete, LF,=20 On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% efficiency with a = class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if your antenna = provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround = a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output power), a = well designed class E PA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW RF (CW, key = down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET.=20 I hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but = i can understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, = although i'm not from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier = i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT:=20 Well shoot me down with my britches on fire! Mal=20 I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube amplifiers = By RCA. I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but never gave them any = time because I thought they used special valves to achieve the fast = response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode = and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of the anode = one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you get a very = fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned = circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ = http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/ I think the point about this is that it works OK for fixed frequency = TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably will work OK = for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away with one = set up. Now to see if it is scalable to lower power video tubes. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Pete es Co The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E = and well designed would produce 70% efficiency. The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it = is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage = generated is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% = efficiency if you are lucky.=20 Like some have said a tube amp is more robust and tolerant of mismatch = to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not = careful about matching to load. I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they have been going for = years. Fets are probably more manageable, compact and safer regarding = voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high = current, like an electric chair!! 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 AM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Ken I believe you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes = than C but they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I = won't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency = output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an = amplifier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low = resistance to fully off (which means a device that will operate well = into the VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is = barely rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in = terms of what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying = to get the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast rate in-order to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive = frequency. We are not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain = will show. Although a scope on the output side of the drain inductor = will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try it. That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is the = guide I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well but if = you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF then there = is enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines shown on = the sites I have posted that will get you a good TX. If you want a = doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that = will detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high = power, efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. The = GW3UEP design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom = style unobtainium in the components listing. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Ken To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09 Subject: LF: RE: Class E etc Hi Pete. About 40 years ago my integration was quite good, liked doing 2nd = order differential equations, partial integration and integration by = parts, the one thing I had big problems with was 3 dimensional = integration of a point in free space . Looking at some of the sites my = Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by default. The reason I = like valves is because they are very forgiving devices unlike = semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. 73s Ken M0KHW From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Class E etc Hi Ken=20 Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You = need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions = for the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using = a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn = the FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with = accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate = voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for = transients, a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and = inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article = below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave = will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you = don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the = result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some = starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output = conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. = Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well = above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET = is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good = efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply = voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable = of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly = cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct = drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below = shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy = load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope = then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer = my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer = in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link to give the same peak = voltage across the tuner link turns. You are not looking for maximum = peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. = This is done by either adding or reducing the number of turns (about two = turns) along with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring = the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak. =20 Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work = well. Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers.=20 For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning = Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... = http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-powera= mps.pdf For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp that is a = scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=20 http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD4A21.61A657C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok P
 
Well  I just looked  at a  pic  of the  = amp=20 ,  tubes are  811a  replacements  , good  tube = , =20 in grounded  grid ?  , 813  has  similar anode=20 dissipation   120 watts  , but  more  gain +=20 neutralisation  problems : ( .......  4cx250  in free = fall =20 must of been  a  spectacular  event , touch wideband = !  I=20 lost   x 3   807  when the  bias  = failed ,=20 looked  like  snow storms  inside the  tubes before=20 they  burst , funny  non of the  fuses  popped , = only=20 the  main  one in the the  house ......introduction to = transients=20 ..  1 MW  Klystron  , yes , most think  they = are =20 little things  like  local oscillators  hihi,  = what=20 no  noise  , 'scope-dope'  seems to  ring a  = bell ....=20
 
New radar systems  , data  processing,  digital = processing=20 of radar  data  has  been  in place  for =20 a very  long  time... after H2S , not very much is =20 published  about  AI  ....
 
Good  luck  with the build projects , Im  just = slowly=20 acquiring a  shack full of  broken  equipment as = things =20 start to fail due to age ,  , the  racal syncal-30  = is=20 the  latest to  develop  a  sense of humour, with=20 distorted  tx  audio  , first  time  it = was =20 used  /P in the  Isle of  Man  last week = ..
 
G..  
 
Don't see any  problem  with the  BS  = reflector, any=20 attempt  to  define  what is  'topic'  is  = in  these advancing  days  is  perhaps a = little =20 blinkered ,  

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:24 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Hi Again Graham
 
The FL2000b has 2 x 572B triodes in parallel grounded grid. These = are=20 directly heated tubes and have carbon anodes. 1/ they give a good light = display=20 and 2/ you can tune up by observing the "blush" on the anodes (if you = wanted=20 to). I have had it years hardly use it got after the original owner had = had it=20 retubed and serviced. Makes a bit of difference on 80m when the going = gets=20 difficult.
 
As with your hipower thyratron all you need is a good multi Kw = PSU. =20 Oh and some x-ray protection?
 
I spent a bit of time in the MoD back in the 90s and one radar = I used=20 to visit was on Scotland's east coast it = was very old=20 but nothing to replace it. The whole transmitter cabin rotated with the = antenna.=20 God knows what the power O/P was. The power pickup was via a pair of = circular=20 channels of mercury and the bottles in the cabin where a sight to see = probably=20 kicked out as much x-ray as they did microwave.
We were running a mobile radar fairly modern still thermionic = had a=20 massive single Klystron 1MW pulse! On site was a new solid state phased = array=20 unit there to replace the old rotary cabin Joby but wasn't having a happy = time. A major=20 complaint was the ops couldn't turn the=20 rx gain up to see the sparkles to be confident it was working..... hee! = The new=20 systems have a lot of software processing before the display reaches the = scopie.=20 Hasen to add I am not a radar expert in any way. When you work for that = outfit=20 you get thrown into jobs you know nothing about. I was mainly on comms=20 infrastructure and didn't know much about that either.... ;-0.
 
Oh and yes used 4cx250s and 4cx150 in 2m and 70cms PAs the one = for 70=20 took off and recked my transverter. They were designs out of the old = RSGB VHF=20 handbook when I were a Jaite!
 
I am not going back to Hi power Tube rigs again its not necessary = when hi=20 power FETs are so cheap.
 
Any way this all a bit off topic. Its bit like the last day at = school=20 before the summer break on this reflector doing what you like before it = gets=20 turned off.... hee! And not much to do with Class d/e or any other = letter of the=20 alphabet.. What I have to sort out is my RX for MF/LF it is not good, = need some=20 ideas?
 
 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, 14 = June 2012,=20 1:55
Subject: Re: LF: = RE: Class=20 E etc

Ok Pete .. blow up ? !!......Depends on the  tubes  : = ))  http://home.comcast.net/~n6jv/data/6C21.pdf
 
This  is what  you need  (with a  bit of = re-work) =20 ..... 
http://www.radartutorial.eu/08.transmitters/tx06.en.html<= /A>
VK or Bust  !!
 
FL2000   , with  2  x 813  ?  = nice =20 amp,   my  skanti  trp5000   = has   =20 2 x    4cx250-b   in the  PA  runs = well =20 1.8/30 Mhz  ,   I  use   2  =20 combined  skanti 250 watt solid state 50v   linear = amps =20 with the  ma1723 for  LF>Hf  , wide  band  , =  just change the  ATU  hi .....   could  = do =20 with a  simple  class e/d for  500  as  = the =20 ab1  amps  are a little  power hungry ..
 
G..
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:59 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

Hi Stefan and Graham
 
Thanks for the comments. None of my MF/LF tx.s run more that 160watts although by = seriesing a = couple of=20 PSUs one = with a=20 floating ground I can run about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like = seriesing the = PSUs so only = do it during=20 experimenting not on the air. Need to build a new high voltage = PSU 100V at a = good current=20 rating. The rigs are FET PA IRF840 etc mostly xtal = controlled or xtal mixer = type master=20 oscillator (but do have DDS), into a FET driver chip. And set them as = described=20 earlier.
 
I have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s = transforming the=20 Low impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer to drive the = antenna=20 tuner. Front end currently popped!! Using it for = QRSS = overnight.Will get=20 it back on soon.
 
My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side issue and am not = advocating=20 them for serious modern MF/LF work. However there is no reason = why=20 not.
 
I have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts = out Choke=20 modulated AM and CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on AM on = 3.615megs. The=20 second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now is again xtal mixer = vxo. They use = 6CL6 video=20 tubes in the PA. The 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure out = why, it=20 should be about 5watts. How ever on my new found Opera4 = have been=20 reported in PA0 land (on the limit).
I have built and still got one or two 807 PAed rigs for = 80m=20 knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown amateur = in the=20 1950s and a Codar=20 T5 and a push pull 807 rig on the stocks.... but probably won't get = finished.=20 Plus an FL2000B. This to show my thermionic credentials.... hee!
 
For shear interest I would like to try and make a high = efficiency=20 TUBE PA but probably won't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX = design=20 looks interesting but probably very dodgy to set up, stability and all. = Graham=20 your arc tubes is all very well but what I have read is that they have a = tendency to blow up...... and so do FETs ok so no change there then.
 
My current limitation to power Stefan is lack of a single = stable=20 PSU = with a couple=20 of KW output. The antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and 128ft top. =
 
I don't have a good RX for MF/LF what I have are deaf by others = standards and=20 this is my main area of interest at the moment. I have used a TS50 and a = TS690s=20 full filters plus a couple of direct conversion HB RX with=20 active filers and notch.
Front ends have gone from dual gate mosfet to straight into the mixer but S/N = is still=20 poor evidenced by WSPR and = Opera reports I=20 give to other station who are being received much better = elsewhere. If=20 any one can help me with that then it would make life here on MF/LF a = lot better.=20
 
Keep the = bands=20 open and may get to work you Stefan now you have 472/9....... why the delay in the = UK????
 
73 es GL Pete=20 M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, 13 = June 2012,=20 22:05
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 Class E etc

Hi Pete, LF,

On 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy = achieve 95%=20 efficiency with a class E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! = So if=20 your antenna provides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit = to obtain=20 the best efficiency (not the highes output power), a well designed = class E PA is=20 definitifely a good=20 choice! 1 kW RF (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET.
I = hardly=20 expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but i can = understand=20 the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, although i'm not from = the tube=20 generation ;-) The first power amplifier i heard of was a 2N3055 in the = late 80s=20 as i was 12 year old or so :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb = M0FMT:=20
Well shoot me down with = my=20 britches on fire!
 
Mal
I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube = amplifiers By RCA.
I have heard of higher = efficiency=20 Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought they used = special=20 valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on = a tuned=20 circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the = third=20 harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third = hamonic you = get a very=20 fast rising pulse type wave at the drive frequency in the PA = tuned=20 circuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/
 
I think the point about = this is=20 that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters and = the like.=20 And probably will work OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations = where we=20 may get away with one set up.
 
Now to see if it is = scalable to=20 lower power video tubes.
 
73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Tuesday, 12 = June 2012,=20 19:48
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 Class E etc

Pete es Co
The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you can get to = class D or=20 E and well designed would produce 70% efficiency.
The class D or E is not really an amplifier in = the convential = sense it is=20 merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage = generated is=20 increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency = if you=20 are lucky.
Like some have said a tube amp is more robust = and=20 tolerant of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is = not=20 careful about matching to load.
I have some Dentron amps for the HF bands and they = have been=20 going for years.
Fets are probably more manageable, = compact=20  and safer regarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a = few=20 K/volts at high current, like an electric chair!!
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: M0FMT
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 = 11:15=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E = etc

Hi Ken
 
I believe you=20 can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than = C but=20 they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't=20 go into figures = but just=20 think about it. The high efficiency output = stage has to=20 operate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it = changes=20 state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off = (which means=20 a device that will operate well into the VHF) the = higher the=20 efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a = couple of=20 megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking=20 about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic = field in=20 the inductor to rise and collapse at a very = fast=20 rate in-order to=20 generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are = not=20 talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although = a scope=20 on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean = looking=20 sine wave. Try it.
 
That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and is = the=20 guide I use to bring a PA into optimum = performance.
 
What I was trying to say is that the math is all very = well but if=20 you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for LF=20 then there is enough empirical data from = following=20 the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted that = will get=20 you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoretical physics to = bamboozle you colleagues then that = will=20 detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high = power,=20 efficient TX design well within anybodies = capabilities. The GW3UEP design=20 being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in=20 the components listing.
 
73 es GL = Pete M0FMT=20 IO91UX
From: Ken <ken.h.wright@btinterne= t.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Monday, 11 = June=20 2012, 22:09
Subject: LF:=20 RE: Class E etc

Hi Pete.
About 40 years ago my integration was = quite=20 good, liked doing 2nd order differential = equations,=20 partial integration and integration by parts, the one thing I had = big=20 problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space = .=20   Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is=20 probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is = because=20 they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep = the=20 shack and the cat warm.
 
73s
 
Ken
 
M0KHW
 
From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20 [mailto: owner-=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20 ] On Behalf Of=20 M0FMT
Sent: 11=20 June 2012 19:16
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Subject: LF: Class E=20 etc
 
 
Hi Ken =
 
Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration=20 Ken?
 
Here are a couple of sites that should = answer=20 your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. = Setting=20 the conditions for the amplifier is to do with  A/ the correct = driver=20 preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 = non and=20 TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully = off on each=20 cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / = space).=20 Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is=20 not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode = clamp=20 helps.  B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in = the=20 drain circuit can be done empirically = See=20 article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, = although the=20 output wave will be surprisingly = clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't = necessarily=20 know all the starting parameters and in any case the = result=20 is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some = starting=20 values. Best to use 'Scope measurements = to=20 set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / = Off rise=20 times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the=20 key.
These amplifiers are capable of = incredibly good=20 efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat = dissipation=20 from the FET is very=20 low at high power giving cool heat-sinks!
 
The GW3UEP (do a web search) single = ended=20 design is capable good efficiency&nb= sp;and=20 high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply = voltage. I=20 have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of = almost twice=20 that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. = Adjusting L and=20 C empirically = using=20 the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is = the way=20 to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set = my TX up=20 into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain = wave=20 shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy = load. I then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to = the=20 input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. = I adjust=20 the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the = tuner link=20 turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across = the=20 dummy load indicating a 50ohm match. This is done by = either adding=20 or reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with = bringing=20 the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead = current,=20 here you are looking for the maximum=20 peak.  
 
Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value = capacitors=20 from Maplin work=20 well.
 
Read the articles and search info on = class E=20 amplifiers. 
 
 
For some bed time reading but ignor the=20 math look at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which = tell it=20 all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Soka= l%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
 
For design=20 ideas
=
 
For a good practical circuit for a = single ended=20 amp that  is a scalable = surefire=20 design, no need to reinvent the = wheel.
 
<= /DIV>
For antennas and antenna feed methods = a "look no=20 where else site"
http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks for all the info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on and now me it only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I mailed him today via this medium. The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power (depending upon output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for the logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the device I supose. The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer via a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the "Top" of the transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon insulating washers throught the wall and straight up to the 8inch ribbed glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope to a 24foot mast (soon to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long earthing wires. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.92 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 91e1efbff209cbddb14bc9e018c2cfe8 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1366730205-1338658900=:90499" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:480200640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m265.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fca50a15c1a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1366730205-1338658900=:90499 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on and now me it= only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I mailed him to= day ........... via this medium.=0A=A0=0AThe Rig I=A0described it is capabl= e of much higher power (depending upon output FET currently an IR840?) with= increase in PA voltage it's currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7= 812 voltage regulators for the logic stages they will only stand about 25vo= lts max, with this rig, limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Supp= ose I could separate the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the devic= e I supose.=0AThe output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter trans= former via a short=A0coax lead then to=A02 link turns,=A0then from the "Top= " of the transformer to the=A0up lead which goes through teflon insulating = washers throught the wall and straight up=A0 to the 8inch ribbed glass=A0in= sulator about 35 feet then on=A0a slope to a 24foot mast (soon to increased= to 35feet). Tuned against several long earthing wires.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Saturday, = 2 June 2012, 17:19=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial= =0A =0A=0A =0AOk=A0 Pete, =0A=0AThese are all=A0 the=A0 decodes=A0 I have = , I was using the=A0 =0ASkanti=A0 r5003=A0 Rx=A0 with=A0=A0=A0 40 ft alloy = =0Ascaffold=A0 pole=A0=A0 vertical=A0 , no=A0 atu , only=A0 =0Athe=A0 pre-s= elector=A0 in the=A0 rx , fed vis=A0 abt=A0 90 feet =0Aof=A0 rg213 coax = =0A=0AGood=A0 signal=A0 for=A0 10 watts=A0 , just on the=A0 =0Aedge=A0 for = the=A0 qso=A0 mode=A0 , at=A0 -20 dB=A0 minimum , =0Abut=A0 15 watts=A0 wou= ld=A0 do=A0 the=A0 job ! =0A=0AAs I say=A0 its=A0 the=A0 only=A0 plug-and-p= lay=A0=A0 =0Adata=A0 mode=A0 , just plug in place of the=A0 CW key=A0 ( the= =A0 =0Adevelopment=A0 was=A0 based on the=A0 racal=A0 ma1723=A0 , =0Ain=A0 = CW mode at=A0 20=A0 wpm=A0 as the maximum=A0=A0 =0Akeying=A0 speed and=A0 e= nvelope=A0 shape) =0A=0A=0A73 -G. =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0A=A0 =0A14:00 500 = M0FMT Op4 -21 dB13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB = =0A13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:07 500 M0= FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB = =0A12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB =0A12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB =0A12:38 500 M0= FMT Op4 -20 dB =0A12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB =0A12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB = =0A12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB=0A11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A= From: M0FMT =0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial= =0A =0AHi Graham =0A=A0 =0AYes very pleased with it so far I will change p= ower soon trying to =0Amake up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable po= wer on the rig (GW3UEP) Class E Fet O/P =0Astage Gate. PC not crashed .... = wait for it! .... for a bit now actually done =0Anothing to stop it....... = weird. =0A=A0I have only just got my head around opera...... =A0thought it= was =0Aa linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much =0Amore like = a CW transmission which I like. =0A=0AThanks for all the info on opera btw.= =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________= =0AFrom: Graham =0A=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, =0A13:37=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: =0Abea= con on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A=0A=0AWow=A0=A0 and that=A0 was=A0 just usi= ng the=A0 Op=A0 =0Aw/fall !=A0 You=A0 could=A0 reduce to=A0 2 watts=A0=A0 = =0Aand=A0 still=A0 decode !=A0=A0 =0A=0AGlad the=A0 system=A0 is=A0 workin= g=A0 for=A0 you =0A=0AG.. =0A=0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Saturday, June = 02, 2012 1:33 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: R= e: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial =0A =0AThanks Paul =0A=A0 =0AGraham = is right about QRG. =0A=A0 =0AMy PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 = using my HB PIC keyer =0A(not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer l= ooking.=0A =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A__________________________= ______=0AFrom: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, =0A13:12=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: =0A= beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A=0A=0A =0Acould be=A0=A0 503.275=A0 ?=A0= =A0 +/-=A0=A0 a =0Abit=A0 ! =0A=0AG. =0A=0A =0AFrom: Clemens Paul =0ASent:= Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AC= c: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk =0ASubject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/= s USB RX dial =0A =0A>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting =0A=A0 =0AWhat is t= he actual tx qrg then? =0AJust for exactly looking if the signal is visible= at =0Aall. =0A=A0 =0A73=0AClemens=0ADL4RAJ =0A----- Original Message ----= - =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Saturda= y, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM =0A>Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial = =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dia= l =0A setting. Temporary QRG.=0A>=0A>73 Pete FMT=0A> =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pet= e M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>=A0 =0A>E-Ma= il ist virenfrei.=0A>Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de=0A>Version: =0A 20= 12.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012 --435439028-1366730205-1338658900=:90499 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for all the = info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on and now me it only leaves Dennis= MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I mailed him today ........... via= this medium.
 
The Rig = I described it is capable of much higher power (depending upon output = FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's currently got 12v= olts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for the logic stages th= ey will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, limits the power to ar= ound 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate the supply to the PA and = get a lot more from the device I supose.
The output = goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer via a short c= oax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the "Top" of the transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon insulating washe= rs throught the wall and straight up  to the 8inch ribbed glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope= to a 24foot mast (soon to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long= earthing wires.
 
73 es GL Pete= M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk><= br> To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 20= 12, 17:19
Subject: Re:= LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

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Ok  Pete,
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These are all  the  decode= s  I have , I was using the  =0ASkanti  r5003  Rx = with    40 ft alloy =0Ascaffold  pole   vert= ical  , no  atu , only  =0Athe  pre-selector  in t= he  rx , fed vis  abt  90 feet =0Aof  rg213 coax
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=0A
Good  signal  for  10 watts = ; , just on the  =0Aedge  for the  qso  mode  , at=   -20 dB  minimum , =0Abut  15 watts  would  do&nb= sp; the  job !
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As I say  its&nbs= p; the  only  plug-and-play   =0Adata  mode  = , just plug in place of the  CW key  ( the  =0Adevelopment&n= bsp; was  based on the  racal  ma1723  , =0Ain  CW= mode at  20  wpm  as the maximum   =0Akeying = ; speed and  envelope  shape)
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73 -G.
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=0AFrom: M0FMT
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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = =0Adial
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Hi Graham
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Yes very pleased with it so far I w= ill change power soon trying to =0Amake up a PWM cct to have a continuously =0Avariable power = on the rig (GW3UEP) Class E Fet = O/P =0Astage Gate. PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actu= ally done =0Anothing to stop it....... = weird.
=0A
=0A
 I have o= nly just got my head around opera......  thought it was =0Aa linear mo= de but this makes sense for LF comms. much =0Amore like a CW transmission which I like.
=0A
 =
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Thanks for all the info on opera btw.
=0A
 =0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: Graham =0A<g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
<= b>To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org =0A
Sent: Saturda= y, 2 June 2012, =0A13:37
Subject:<= /span> Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial
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Wow   and that&nb= sp; was  just using the  Op  =0Aw/fall !  You  cou= ld  reduce to  2 watts   =0Aand  still  decod= e !  
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Glad the  system&nbs= p; is  working  for  you
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G= ..
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From: M0FMT
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Sent: Saturday, J= une 02, 2012 1:33 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon = on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial
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Thanks P= aul
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Graham is ri= ght about QRG.
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My PC keeps crashing so may go b= ack to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer =0A(not affected by RF) on the same QRG.= Thanks fer looking.
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: =0AGraham &= lt;g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =0A
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012, =0A13:12
Subject: Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

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could be&n= bsp;  503.275  ?   +/-   a =0Abit  !=0A
 
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From: Clemens Paul =0A
=0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
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Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial
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=0AWhat is the actual tx qrg then?
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73
Clemens
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Sent: =0A Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 P= M
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Subject: =0A LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX= dial
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Hi All

Please report my beacon= on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT<= br>
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--435439028-1366730205-1338658900=:90499-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C29D33800009F; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sinxr-0006Sn-P5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:38:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sinxr-0006Se-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:38:59 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sinxp-0002Cu-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:38:58 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5OEcuR6023543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:38:56 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5OEct3V009644 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:38:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE72612.3070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:37:06 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003f01cd5215$5690bf50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <003f01cd5215$5690bf50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton: > At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few are > listening or transmitting I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these days i think... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 69d86b33142413363dd56bd312139bf4 Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040202070108010800000206" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443722944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fe726b669ba X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040202070108010800000206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton: > At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few are > listening or transmitting I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these days i think... > even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for you, sri ;-) > Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have advantages. > Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all of > Germany would be calling. I'm not in Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, like in the last evenings. BTW i got several reports by email from people who aren't member of the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for home constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many newcomers on the band. We have to supply them by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned.. I'm going to play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to become a full size dipole for 630m :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC > de mal/g3kev --------------040202070108010800000206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton:
At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few are listening or transmitting
I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these days i think...

even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off
My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for you, sri ;-)

Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have advantages.
Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all of Germany would be calling.
I'm not in Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, like in the last evenings.

BTW i got several reports by email from people who aren't member of the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for home constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many newcomers on the band. We have to supply them by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned..
I'm going to play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to become a full size dipole for 630m :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


 
de mal/g3kev
 
--------------040202070108010800000206-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D2E5738000084; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 08:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skwlr-0006AG-V5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:27:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skwlr-0006A7-Da for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:27:27 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skwlp-0005fU-G9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:27:26 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5UCRNbi005892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:27:24 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5UCRKNZ018257 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:27:22 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEEF036.4020702@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:25:26 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <0F87F4C0AE524B1E9EA631C81D579573@gnat> <4FEE3A73.1090602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5UCRNbi005892 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jim, Thanks for your comments. Am 30.06.2012 10:14, schrieb James Moritz: > Dear Stefan, LF Group, > > The mechanical filter consists of an array of metal disks or rods > that are mechanically resonant near the centre frequency of the filter. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: ce0e5a4ae990e5a63db3ab7aea21191b Subject: Re: LF: Re: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:483840128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4feef1066054 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jim, Thanks for your comments. Am 30.06.2012 10:14, schrieb James Moritz: > Dear Stefan, LF Group, > > The mechanical filter consists of an array of metal disks or rods=20 > that are mechanically resonant near the centre frequency of the filter. So, is a microphone effect possible? > In order to convert the electrical input and output to/from =20 > mechanical vibration, there are transducers at the input and output,=20 > sometimes piezo-electric, but in this case probably magnetostrictive.=20 > These are a coil of wire wound around magnetic material which changes=20 > shape slightly depending on the magnetic flux. So electrically, the=20 > input and output of your filter are inductors - in order to get=20 > efficient transfer of signal power into the transducers and through=20 > the filter, they must be tuned to resonance, like any LC filter=20 > circuit. If they are not correctly tuned, little power from the=20 > mechanical resonators inside the filter will be coupled to the source=20 > and load, so the resonators will have very little damping, and the=20 > filter will have large peaks in the response, as you saw. Also, the=20 > insertion loss will be higher. The same type of behaviour with=20 > mis-matched loads occurs with almost any filter - LC, crystal,=20 > ceramic, cavity, etc. A similar effect occurs if one resonator is=20 > defective - in this case the mis-match occurs inside the filter. Thanks, that help to extend my understanding of such filters. > > You can probably use the input and output resonating capacitors to=20 > match your filter directly to 50R, using two capacitors in a series or=20 > shunt matching arrangement, like some have used for loop antennas. But=20 > buffer amlifiers might be needed to provide stable input and and=20 > output impedances for the filter, and provide some gain to compensate=20 > for the insertion loss. Good idea about the matching! So it is about like the input filter of=20 JA8SCD's LF converter:=20 http://icas.to/idc-136-kit/idc-136-kit-manual-eng.pdf (page 6 of 6). According to the data sheet, the insertion loss (Durchlassd=E4mpfung) is = <=20 2 dB. So if one uses a well matched 50 Ohm transmit antenna and a RX=20 with 50 Ohm input, i think no additional gain is needed. Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3636338000099; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SePxY-0008NS-8z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:12:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SePxX-0008NJ-KV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:12:31 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SePxV-0007M9-Ll for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:12:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5CCCQPg006114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:12:27 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5CCCQL2025625 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:12:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:10:49 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5CCCQPg006114 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jay, We still have no success in Jnue so if we want to get a full call detection in each month we have to find a suitable days soon. Well, all right about the DST stuff. However you know i simply like transmitting so i usually do not care about the condx. From time to time there is a surprise een in "bad" conds. Like yesterday! 4X1RF temporary started his grabber in Haifa and to my surprise we got very good results over that 2850km distance. About 25 dB S/N, see https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Juni2012.jpg Sure, crossing the pond is another story. Let's do it in the coming days :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 9d01e9df836df8dd3868645661e1c1f7 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473151520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194fd7326c7dbe X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jay, We still have no success in Jnue so if we want to get a full call=20 detection in each month we have to find a suitable days soon. Well, all right about the DST stuff. However you know i simply like=20 transmitting so i usually do not care about the condx. From time to time=20 there is a surprise een in "bad" conds. Like yesterday! 4X1RF temporary=20 started his grabber in Haifa and to my surprise we got very good results=20 over that 2850km distance. About 25 dB S/N, see=20 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Juni2012.jpg Sure, crossing the pond is another story. Let's do it in the coming days = :-) BTW what about your TX? Are you ready for a transmission? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 12.06.2012 12:12, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: > Sefan > > Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at=20 > 'disturbed' levels it is unlikely that I would have had reception of=20 > your signals. It might be a good idea to check=20 > http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html for=20 > the DST levels before an overnight T/A attempt. Generally speaking,=20 > condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or better for a=20 > couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th or 10th would=20 > have been better T/A nights. The big dip starting on the 10th is a=20 > problem. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 > > To: > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:09 PM > Subject: LF: Beacon to the west > > >> LF, >> >> Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night.=20 >> The TX is already on air... >> >> In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it=20 >> may be a bit difficult to become visible in TA. But who knows... >> >> At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for distances=20 >> below 3000 km. Probably because the area in darkness is small on the=20 >> northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away is attenuated. So=20 >> the distances within the first hop range may be a bit lower than in=20 >> winther but maybe the noise is even lower so S/N improvement of some=20 >> dB results. >> At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done=20 >> many tests and the radiated signal was even 3 dB stronger than a few=20 >> days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm thinking different=20 >> about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! >> >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C362738000084; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shqm8-0002j1-4l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:26:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shqm7-0002is-Ae for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:26:55 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shqm4-0005E7-JD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:26:54 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.63]) by mwinf5d19 with ME id RBSq1j0061MiB3W03BSqx2; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:26:51 +0200 Message-ID: <5D44E645126C4841A77C08064C39E92C@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> <6FDC0CECCC3645EB922AF21E66965518@AGB> <90E09B502D3D481992365586D42423DA@AGB> <5D772617FCC94283913EDABE7CB175FE@gnat> In-Reply-To: <5D772617FCC94283913EDABE7CB175FE@gnat> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:26:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: The folded back , open Box , is the most simple to try , the radial , is 90 feet long and 6 ft off the ground , earthed at the common point in the shed , open at the far end , so in terms of capacity ,it would be 2 wires , 10 ft apart , 25/30 feet long .......approaching the vertical section at 90 deg [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1f69f02351c5430deaaca656f6f75a0a Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01FC_01CD500D.B75BB510" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81645 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427412864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fe3ae061db2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01FC_01CD500D.B75BB510 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_01FD_01CD500D.B75BB510" ------=_NextPart_001_01FD_01CD500D.B75BB510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The folded back , open Box , is the most simple to try , the = radial , is 90 feet long and 6 ft off the ground , earthed at = the common point in the shed , open at the far end , so in terms = of capacity ,it would be 2 wires , 10 ft apart , 25/30 feet = long .......approaching the vertical section at 90 deg=20 Unfortunately, the house support is lower than the top of the = mast and the wire drops 30 deg or so down , I did have the = top section in a U shape , that did increase the level from = radio-mside , but the windage was high ..... wx still heavy rain, = so , rain stops play ! Tnx -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham, without measuring it I would not be sure. It is no good = trying to simulate this because these factors are not included in the = models. I think putting wies under one another is like folding the plate = of a cap back on itself. The total capacitance doesnt increase. Think of = the top-wire geometry as a skeleton (wire frame) of a parallel plate = capaitor with the other plate being ground (radials, ground wires, = whatever). My feeling based on my (and 136 friends) experiments suggest = that any drooping of the top will reduce the radiation resistance. = Whether this exceeds the effect of the increased capacitance is not = possible to esttimate. If you try it, and measure it, I would be very = interested in the results (never mind the theories.....show me the = measurements :-)) ) We only learn when somebody tries = something......Mike's top-loads, and Laurie's top capacity being great = examples of structures that did not, for a variety of reasons, show any = advantage in theoretical efficiency calculations.=20 There is little professional work, I know of, that could give = guidance.......the professionals don't (don't need!) use small aerials. = You cannot just "scale frequency" because many of the important factors = dont scale, or dont get included correctly in the scaling model. Alan.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:59 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? R Alan, Down to one of Mr Hobson's fine designs here , the under = slung wire , would be the simplest to arrange , say it ran 10 = ft above a 90 ft elevated ground radial , now would that xtra = C , increase the amp's in the vertical section , the other side = of the top coil ...? Other wise its ,just possible to run 90 deg about 20 feet , = 90 then down , at the far end =20 I tune using a swr meter , usually get a sharp dip with the = variometer , but I also have a old 1000 pf 4 gang clipped , = low over the auto transformer , that is handy , just takes the = final 'ref down and as its low , there is no flash over , bit = like a band-spread on a rx oscillator coil=20 Testing wise , luckily , I can reach the Delft web-sdr in the = day time , so can do s/n checks at range using ROS-MF-2 , = the s/n is the average along the time line , so quite accurate = Still raining =20 73 -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial weather here either :-(( The problem with unconventional "shapes" is you will have to just try = 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing ground loss as the most = effective use of time and effort. Best done by measurement, and not = urban myths :-)) Thats why I always plug a simple transformer coupled = bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, noise bridges have never = worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC stations close by. I also = like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing" :-)) I feel = closer to the problem and able to employ some skill and maybe dexterity, = even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a VNA......at least I = learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" right. It is the classic = substitution measurement with passive references. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? R Alan. Horizontal spread ......missing at the moment ... will have = another look out side , when the rain stops , horizontal open = box may be possible ..just=20 Tnx -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter too much :-)) The thing is to get as much wire as high as possible. Yes fold it = back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 feet dont add much over a = single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce = the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly = the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) = will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to = increase the radiation resistance. Your diagram is difficult to read but running one of the wires = directly under another will be of no benefit and may be worse than not = having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at least = 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the idea. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: LF: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Any thoughts on the best configuration for the top wire ?? Tnx -G, ------=_NextPart_001_01FD_01CD500D.B75BB510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The  folded  back   , open  Box  , is = the  most  simple to  try , the  radial  , = is =20 90  feet long  and   6  ft  off  = the =20 ground , earthed  at the  common  point  in = the  shed ,=20 open at the  far  end , so  in terms  of =20 capacity  ,it would  be  2  wires  , 10 = ft =20 apart  , 25/30  feet long .......approaching  the =20 vertical  section  at   90 deg
 
Unfortunately, the  house  support  is  = lower =20 than the  top  of the  mast  and  the  = wire=20 drops    30 deg  or  so  down  , I = did  have=20 the  top  section  in a  U shape , that did  = increase=20 the  level  from  radio-mside  , but the  = windage =20 was  high .....  wx still  heavy  rain, so  ,=20 rain  stops  play !
 
Tnx -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:57 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham, without measuring it I would = not be=20 sure. It is no good trying to simulate this because these factors are = not=20 included in the models. I think putting wies under one another is like = folding=20 the plate of a cap back on itself. The total capacitance doesnt=20 increase. Think of the top-wire geometry as a skeleton (wire frame) = of a=20 parallel plate capaitor with the other plate being ground (radials, = ground=20 wires, whatever). My feeling based on my (and 136 friends) experiments = suggest=20 that any drooping of the top will reduce the radiation resistance. = Whether this=20 exceeds the effect of the increased capacitance is not possible to=20 esttimate. If you try it, and measure it, I would be very interested in = the=20 results (never mind the theories.....show me the measurements  = :-)) =20 ) We only learn when somebody tries something......Mike's = top-loads, and=20 Laurie's top capacity being great examples of structures that did not, = for a=20 variety of reasons, show any advantage in theoretical efficiency=20 calculations.
 
There is little professional work, I = know of, that=20 could give guidance.......the professionals don't (don't need!) use = small=20 aerials. You cannot just "scale frequency" because many of the important = factors=20 dont scale, or dont get included correctly in the=20 scaling model.
 
Alan. 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 9:59=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top = wire=20 config - Best Option ??

R Alan,
 
Down to   one of  Mr  Hobson's   = fine =20 designs  here ,   the  under slung   = wire =20 , would  be the  simplest to  arrange ,   = say =20 it  ran  10  ft  above  a  90  = ft =20 elevated  ground  radial  , now would =20 that  xtra  C  , increase the  amp's  in = the  vertical  section  , the  other  = side  of=20 the  top  coil ...?
 
Other  wise  its ,just possible  to  = run  90=20 deg  about   20 feet  , 90  then  down , = at=20 the  far  end 
 
I tune using  a  swr meter  , usually  get = a =20 sharp  dip  with the  variometer  , but  = I =20 also  have a  old   1000  pf   4 = gang=20 clipped  , low over the  auto  transformer , that  = is=20 handy , just  takes  the  final 'ref   = down =20 and  as its  low , there  is  no  flash  = over ,=20 bit  like a  band-spread on a  rx oscillator  coil =
 
Testing  wise , luckily  , I can  reach the  = Delft=20 web-sdr   in the  day  time  , so  = can =20 do  s/n  checks  at  range using =20 ROS-MF-2    , the  s/n  is the =20 average  along  the  time  line , so  = quite =20 accurate 
 
Still  raining 
 
73 -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:59 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham its not exactlyaerial = weather here=20 either :-((
The problem with unconventional = "shapes" is you=20 will have to just try 'em out. I have always concentrated on reducing = ground=20 loss as the most effective use of time and effort. Best done by = measurement,=20 and not urban myths :-))  Thats why I always plug a simple=20 transformer coupled bridge, oscillator and receiver as a detector, = noise=20 bridges have never worked at LF for me ....probably too many BC = stations close=20 by. I also like bridge measurements......its probably an "age thing"=20 :-))  I feel closer to the problem and able to employ some skill = and=20 maybe dexterity, even if I dont get the numbers on the readout of a=20 VNA......at least I learnt to sense when the measurement "feels" = right. It is=20 the classic substitution measurement with passive = references.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 6:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L = Top wire=20 config - Best Option ??

R Alan.
 
Horizontal  spread  ......missing  at the  = moment=20 ...  will  have  another  look  out =20 side  , when the  rain  stops ,  = horizontal  =20 open  box may  be  possible ..just
 
Tnx -G..

From: Alan=20 Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham it basically doesnt = matter too=20 much  :-))
The thing is to get as much wire as = high as=20 possible. Yes fold it back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 = feet=20 dont add much over a single wire. Drop the end if you have to but = remember=20 this may reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will = increase slightly the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped = ends=20 they are high voltage points and may not be "family friendly"=20 ...... doubling the capacity to ground ( note ground....not = lossy=20 roofs/foliage underneath) will probably halve you ground losses. It = will do=20 very little to increase the radiation resistance.
 
Your diagram is difficult to read = but running=20 one of the wires directly under another will be of no benefit and = may be=20 worse than not having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, = so pull=20 it at least 2 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you = get the=20 idea.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, = 2012 4:17=20 PM
Subject: LF: InV L Top wire = config -=20 Best Option ??

InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best = Option=20 ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  = configuration  for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
Tnx -G,
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, Thanks, interesting point. I can see that you are a member, but on my admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. Without this you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, etc. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: efdc09b6b31095aa2dc5c6d2552910d5 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c1d6e8fd7904c1b60421 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:511993728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m019.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b4fcdcd2b621f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8ff1c1d6e8fd7904c1b60421 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, Thanks, interesting point. I can see that you are a member, but on my admin window I can see that you are missing a Yahoo ID. Without this you don't get all the web facilities, like access to the poll, files, etc. I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself by creating a Yahoo ID, but if not I can initiate a request for you to complete the formalities. 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton wrote: > ** > John > With my talktalk email account, I cannot access any of the options that > you specify. a Gmail account might be different > g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John Gould > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep > > Stefan, > > I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. > I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked O= K, > so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-ma= il > account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderator= s, > vote and then un-subscribe. > > I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the > other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer < > Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote: > >> Hi Clive, LF, >> >> For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo >> account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the >> pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that >> there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate i= n >> this process. >> >> My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. >> As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one ha= s >> to win and the other will be shut down after some time. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: >> >>> If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting >>> period ends. >>> >>> >> >> > --e89a8ff1c1d6e8fd7904c1b60421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, =A0

Thanks, interesting point. =A0I can see that yo= u are a member, but on my admin window I can see that you are missing a Yah= oo ID. =A0Without this you don't get all the web facilities, like acces= s to the poll, files, etc. =A0

I'm not sure whether you can set this up yourself b= y creating a Yahoo ID, but if not I can initiate a request for you to compl= ete the formalities. =A0

73 John, G3WKL


On 4 June 2012 19:11, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
John
With my talktalk email account, =A0I cannot acces= s any=20 of the options that you specify. a Gmail account might be different<= /div>
g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Monda= y, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep

Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo acc= ount.=20 =A0I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that wo= rked=20 OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg= =20 e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the=20 moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =A0

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a po= ll on the=20 other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =A0

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:<= br>
Hi=20 Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but witho= ut=20 having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is=20 advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for = such=20 facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to=20 codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep and i w= ould=20 agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not tr= eated=20 like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down = after=20 some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb = Clive=20 Lorton:
If=20 you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting p= eriod=20 ends.
=A0=20


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--e89a8ff1c1d6e8fd7904c1b60421-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 967123800008C; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjSiu-0004Sp-SJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:10:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjSiu-0004Sg-8Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:10:16 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjSir-0002ID-Fw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:10:15 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8KAFCK6U9cF/ft/2dsb2JhbABEtAl0A4EqgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDJQEjAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh34HuSGLMxuBBIRlA41MiHeOcYJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,477,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="390989291" Received: from host-92-23-247-237.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.247.237]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2012 11:10:11 +0100 Message-ID: <005801cd5383$dd63d160$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE8E412.5000909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <9B92E5E758664934B13502459785E3F5@AGB> <4FE8F02F.2030304@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:10:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan I have calculated that I need 150 mH loading coil for 9 Khz. I have already resonated the antenna using some ferrite core inductors and can hear it singing at 9 khz with the low power signal generator. I have started a big TX coil but need to finish it. I can RX well on the band. [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: d63ea50e288c5ecb9bd7a86eeabe94f2 Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:484039904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cd4fe98abb5396 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan I have calculated that I need 150 mH loading coil for 9 Khz. I have already resonated the antenna using some ferrite core inductors and can hear it singing at 9 khz with the low power signal generator. I have started a big TX coil but need to finish it. I can RX well on the band. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Yes, in any way it would be nice again to put some focus on VLF. It's a long time ago i regularly monitored my own VLF grabber (http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html). Looks like SAQ has tuned up today for a time arround 10 UTC. The Alphas are OFF again and the noise is maybe 10 dB higher than in winther, as a maximum. I do not change the brightness between summer and winther. Opera 4 H, what the hell is that? How long does it take to get a full decode in that mode and what is the content of the decoded message? If 4 H means 4 hours and the content is a full callsign and locator (about like in WOLF) then maybe it can be compared with DFCW-120? If so, i guess the range of a 1 mW ERP station will be below 100 km, if conds are good (i.e. no QRN and during the gap in the morning which is arround 8...11 UTC) and the RX is is typical. We know that no digimode can do miracles. However we often saw stations just transmitting a few dashes. If these dashes will satisfy all, it would be fine. Due to other projects (ah, i remember, it was the LF DX to VK times) i stopped the local VLF experiments with the LOPT transformer. Also is showed me that there is no real alternative to an air coil if a serious ERP is goal. That was clear in advance but the proof was clearer than i thought. As i write these lines, a small VLF flame starts to burn again. But there is the MF project on the table as well... What about all the other VLF transmitting stations? We have been 7 (OK2BVG, OE3GHB, DF6NM, G3XIZ, DJ8WX, OE5ODL, PA3CPM, DK7FC) who passed distances above 1 Lambda. Did i forget someone? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.06.2012 00:39, schrieb Graham: > Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of > the UK as well ! > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stefan Schfer" > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > >> Mal, >> >> Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: >>> Stefan >>> This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the >>> Dreamers band. >> Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due >> to your higher antenna C and mains availability. >> You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. >> >>> I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with >>> other >>> persuits at present. >>> >> Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large >> tube. 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul >> Nicholsons grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very >> helpful for the first tests! >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Stefan Schfer" >>> To: >>> Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM >>> Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >>> >>> >>> >>>> VLF, >>>> >>>> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >>>> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >>>> Darmstadt, >>>> http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run >>>> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >>>> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >>>> earthquake precursors. >>>> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced >>>> him to >>>> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He >>>> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU >>>> resources >>>> for that at the moment though. >>>> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >>>> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it >>>> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even >>>> in summer. >>>> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF >>>> event. >>>> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June >>>> 2012 >>>> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to >>>> extend it. >>>> >>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>>> >>>> >>> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9C28538000090; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 07:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbVvf-0002jI-6t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:58:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbVve-0002j5-QN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:58:34 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbVvd-0006Ia-20 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:58:33 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApgFADCizE9cF/Mu/2dsb2JhbABEg0GbEQOVUIEIgg8EFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEGAR05AQQaBiQdAQICAQGHfpVPoFGRIQOIDYUwl1SCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,712,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="374254076" Received: from host-92-23-243-46.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.243.46]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 12:58:31 +0100 Message-ID: <008d01cd4249$5bfdd4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:58:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Voting qualifications Those amateurs active currently on MF es LF get 5 votes for each band. Lurkers, Dreamers, Fence sitters and Grazers 1 vote This would encourage non communicators to become active prompto !! Let us have your observations de G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: VOTE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4249.5BC49C70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:397962880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fcca3130cae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4249.5BC49C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Voting qualifications Those amateurs active currently on MF es LF get 5 votes for each band. = Lurkers, Dreamers, Fence sitters and Grazers 1 vote=20 This would encourage non communicators to become active prompto !! 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Voting qualifications
 
Those amateurs active currently on MF es LF get = 5 votes=20 for each band. Lurkers, Dreamers, Fence sitters and Grazers 1 vote =
This would encourage non communicators to become = active=20 prompto !!
Let us have your observations
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_008A_01CD4249.5BC49C70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 956953800008D; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SinLL-0005kf-Sy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:59:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SinLL-0005kW-5U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:59:11 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SinLI-0001vv-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:59:10 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5ODx7lw015965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:59:07 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5ODx7WZ008384 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:59:07 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE71CBD.9070006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:57:17 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5ODx7lw015965 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Probably, if Warren wants to have replacement parts for his transmit loop tuner, then he will need parts of another league. 4 kV is nothing as well as 10 A RF current in a loop is nothing :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492424736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fe71d7b54a3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Probably, if Warren wants to have replacement parts for his transmit=20 loop tuner, then he will need parts of another league. 4 kV is nothing=20 as well as 10 A RF current in a loop is nothing :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 24.06.2012 14:00, schrieb Clemens Paul: > Hi Warren, > > perhaps you might might find something suitable there: > http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm > > They have - among other stuff - split stator cap. kits up to > 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). > =20 > > You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator=20 > capacitor, > so you maybe could realize other values. > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: "rsgb_lf_group" > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM > Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? > > > Hello the list, > Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester > which now has taken over Jackson Bros? > I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced > link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... > > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > ----- > E-Mail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5088 - Ausgabedatum:=20 > 23.06.2012 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB0D0380000B2; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaDPc-00086W-8r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:00:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaDPb-00086N-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:00:07 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaDPZ-0006Dv-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:00:06 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApYBAJzox09OlnXn/2dsb2JhbAANN4VNr2QBAYIHAQEBAQMjDwEFEUALCQgDAQEBAQICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgE9CBMGAgEBiBKmJZI6gSOJboIwggSBEgOVGJJU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,694,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="373974864" Received: from host-78-150-117-231.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.2.7]) ([78.150.117.231]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 31 May 2012 23:00:02 +0100 Message-ID: <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:00:01 +0100 From: g3zjo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> In-Reply-To: <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Only White Noise is improved by this! Eddie On 31/05/2012 22:40, Graham wrote: > Or for a better s/n > > http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/digital_ariel.htm > > > From: "g3zjo" > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:30 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Ae! > >> Stefan >> >> Make sure you spell it right, this is an ariel. >> >> http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQnrLFNatuXR7AMQYpG5BlXGhR25FCsu79eMpQz0xxeY-9zKKxjgw >> >> >> Eddie >> >> On 31/05/2012 21:00, Stefan Schäfer wrote: >>> Hmm, maybe someone from the UK can explain the difference between >>> aerial and antenna? Is there a difference? >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5036 - Release Date: >>> 05/31/12 >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5036 - Release Date: 05/31/12 > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: Re: LF: Ae! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460385856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84fc7ea254484 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Only White Noise is improved by this! Eddie On 31/05/2012 22:40, Graham wrote: > Or for a better s/n > > http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/digital_ariel.htm > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "g3zjo" > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:30 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Ae! > >> Stefan >> >> Make sure you spell it right, this is an ariel. >> >> http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQnrLFNatuXR7AMQYpG5BlXGhR25FCsu79eMpQz0xxeY-9zKKxjgw >> >> >> Eddie >> >> On 31/05/2012 21:00, Stefan Schäfer wrote: >>> Hmm, maybe someone from the UK can explain the difference between >>> aerial and antenna? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported before. John, I cannot vote either. For what it is worth: my vote goes to keeping both reflectors. I can understand that that people do not one to participate in one of them, but that should be no reason for shutting down the other one. 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John, I cannot vote either. For what it is worth: my vote goes to keeping both reflectors. I can understand that that people do not one to participate in one of them,= but that should be no reason for shutting down the other one. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0C687D8DICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry that y= ou weren't able to vote - v= ery odd - not had that repo= rted before.


John,
 
I cannot vote either.<= /font>
For what it is worth:&= nbsp;my vote goes to keeping&nbs= p;both reflectors.
I can understand that=  that people do not one= to participate in one of them, but<= /a> that should be no = reason for shutting down the other one.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T<= /div>
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello LF, I apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was already largely debated here. I have seven of those quite known russian surplus ferrite rods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun - I'm planning to spend some time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF and/or LF-MF, suitable for outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some suggestions about is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? I found an unused 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be effectively chosen as the active device (low voltage) for such amplifier? [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.214 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1740643075-1975391380-1340350943=:68546" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:410484768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-a403.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fe4223a4df0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1740643075-1975391380-1340350943=:68546 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF,=0A=A0=0AI apologize to you all for resuming a topic that was alre= ady largely debated here. I have seven of those=A0quite known russian surpl= us ferrite rods (20cm x 1cm) and -=A0just for my fun - I'm planning to spen= d some time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I would like to obtain = a=A0broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF=A0and/or LF-MF, suitable fo= r outdoor installation, so what I would appreciate some suggestions about i= s the required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in air-core b= roadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas? I found an unus= ed 12AU7 in=A0my drawer, could=A0it be effectively=A0chosen as the active d= evice (low voltage)=A0for=A0such amplifier?=0A=0AThank you for any feedback= =0A73=0ADaniele IZ5WWB ---1740643075-1975391380-1340350943=:68546 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hell= o LF,
 
I apologize to you all for resuming a topi= c that was already largely debated here. I have seven of those quite k= nown russian surplus ferrite rods (20cm x 1cm) and - just for my fun -= I'm planning to spend some time in building an LF-MF antenna with them. I = would like to obtain a broadband (untuned) antenna, ideally VLF-LF&nbs= p;and/or LF-MF, suitable for outdoor installation, so what I would apprecia= te some suggestions about is the required low-impedance amplifier, similar = to those used in air-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course.= Any ideas? I found an unused 12AU7 in my drawer, could it be eff= ectively chosen as the active device (low voltage) for such = amplifier?
Thank you for any feedback
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 
---1740643075-1975391380-1340350943=:68546-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 611D038000082; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SanWi-0006tU-TK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:33:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SanWi-0006tL-Bf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:33:52 +0100 Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.197]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SanWf-0005PE-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:33:51 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.53] by nm9.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 12:33:49 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.121] by tm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 12:33:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 12:33:49 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 64682.75286.bm@omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92418 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2012 12:33:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338640428; bh=7uDNSlT/utbJc3MwnAzGiUAvjELDvU45Ne1JM3YzH34=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qY4I4ZCsWIkMhj2nu2i/H1+nY2BvGY8QUvCNFKnqJERam5Sdjiii9hFEHnlBYty0Z6/OA69GnxXDu4PgSfgbmOptJNqrgCyXU71UBlLZ/cv1+GS6GnHx40SeCzYss5P2cuhAYWq1+iMPtMqkVGHv1oDzXuA3uDTrAE0HQyghQyU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AYh5HzLTHGjuooYjuJYSxCX1f5q+cQmXMGFP8+CjZFSmThVQuyzueCUWS3ZMsAIxpSr3TvY9vNTRNNrt1LpU2g11MJvp7LSFjsBHs1w/0VK3ciHjVlN/ta3HMWHEJs/7BaZK7Vsuv1izGhMxho5U8o1e7UUt/AEB29GlGYc4U0s=; X-YMail-OSG: 6swqSDYVM1mlWW.4tFC5jgD9KktLY_aD1avTwZRubB_yHEw jFG1HEfrFAef88ZwcFZSr5noZ7D1NvqZqsChE8ZbxZ94Dme7TO5jzOeh56NG ZXFw.C6kqEHV713BT2CYE_Lv644KrgTNaeq7fEGmkhprvum5dgWy1y2M9fRe fl7zkRvLfm2ybTuZR1xBrPwpJ8u6kCzhdDAX.misSMmLscZShCGvK.Z0gcas 4kkxxRhVu4o_Bj9WaSUBG_1xpHCnEGm04bbN_ElcySYscL5v3DQ4Ddovtkm4 KNUc7fAcWqk8D.WZMUFggs_2XKdd8wORnNJ90BYDij5t6YJSwYoygLfT7Fi7 Ahq5pwRGkVmT3dOzx1.dWOsoqXjuN6_XYDiNCvNI3T_pkrzDEI_YyZ.3wQvE UZctA03wO2jepb.yCCzDapggUyckpIeCTuuMVPInyLgPjGIPFkrxRmNBENAw 0zhyVEbcPKLsKRTE1FZ.F8N.If8ugRY5H Received: from [86.164.62.42] by web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:33:48 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Message-ID: <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:33:48 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks Paul Graham is right about QRG. My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.197 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 21e2055b299bd63ed331c37c8a3e15ca Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1386533404-1023251917-1338640428=:47967" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470182368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4fca086171a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1386533404-1023251917-1338640428=:47967 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Paul=0A=A0=0AGraham is right about QRG.=0A=A0=0AMy PC keeps crashing= so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer (not affected by RF) on the = same QRG. Thanks fer looking.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_____= ___________________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12=0ASubje= ct: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A =0A=0A =0Acould be=A0= =A0 503.275=A0 ?=A0=A0 +/-=A0=A0 a =0Abit=A0 ! =0A=0AG. =0A=0A =0AFrom: Cle= mens Paul =0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org =0ACc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk =0ASubject: LF: Re: = beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A =0A>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting = =0A=A0 =0AWhat is the actual tx qrg then? =0AJust for exactly looking if th= e signal is visible at =0Aall. =0A=A0 =0A73=0AClemens=0ADL4RAJ =0A----- Ori= ginal Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM =0A>Subject: LF: beacon on 501.= 59kc/s USB RX dial =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Please report my beacon on 5= 01.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.=0A>=0A>73 Pete FMT=0A> = =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>_____________________________= ___=0A>=A0 =0A>E-Mail ist virenfrei.=0A>Von AVG =0A =FCberpr=FCft - www.a= vg.de=0A>Version: 2012.0.2178 =0A / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedat= um: 01.06.2012 --1386533404-1023251917-1338640428=:47967 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Graham is right about QRG.
 
My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer = (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking.
<= div>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc= /s USB RX dial

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Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting.= Temporary QRG.

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--1386533404-1023251917-1338640428=:47967-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA4BB380000B2; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scgi6-0003bD-Ku for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:41:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scgi6-0003b4-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:41:26 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scgi4-0003K0-8x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:41:25 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmEJABvn0E9cHYyS/2dsb2JhbABFiX2ocwSBLIEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQNJAg0ZBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBAQklFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh3UJB7kOix1Egi+DGQONPZdagmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,732,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="393762280" Received: from host-92-29-140-146.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.146]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 18:41:22 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01cd44d4$c0f3efa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD0DCF4.7020406@legal-medicine.de> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 17:41:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The trouble is that he cannot hear anything. It is a one way street. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:509136288:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fd0e7f94cbb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none The trouble is that he cannot hear anything. It is a one way street. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "pws" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz > Hi Stefan, > > You wrote: > >... > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. > > ... > > Horrible strong here at Kiel, 54N/10E. > Up to 30dB above noise... > > Rig: INA111 balanced E-field probe, 2x30cm, > Homebrewed downconverter to baseband. > > Screenshot there: > http://www.df3lp.de/misc/DK7FC_2012-06-07_16:39s.png > > Peter, df3lp > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3BBB0380000FF; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbbkr-0006g4-N7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:11:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbbkr-0006fv-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:11:49 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbbko-00081Y-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:11:47 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFAIz5zE9cF/ub/2dsb2JhbABFnlQDlVaBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQoDCRkUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQENh18DD60KDYlOijFgGoJUgyIDiA2FMJdUgmCBX4E+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,714,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="393352461" Received: from host-92-23-251-155.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.251.155]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 19:11:45 +0100 Message-ID: <016101cd427d$7f76f4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net><4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de><4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net><77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk><517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk><4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:11:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John With my talktalk email account, I cannot access any of the options that you specify. a Gmail account might be different g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: fce77e88417377663dedf94f027ec622 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015E_01CD427D.7F400660" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:510667552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554fccfa913955 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015E_01CD427D.7F400660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John With my talktalk email account, I cannot access any of the options that = you specify. a Gmail account might be different g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Stefan, I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo = account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and = that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with = your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised = by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =20 I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on = the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =20 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer = wrote: Hi Clive, LF, For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a = yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging = the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts = that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to = codeterminate in this process. My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group = compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, = where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting period ends. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_015E_01CD427D.7F400660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
With my talktalk email account,  I cannot = access any=20 of the options that you specify. a Gmail account might be = different
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black = Sheep

Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo = account.=20  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that = worked=20 OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your = Heidelberg=20 e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the = moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a = poll on the=20 other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> = wrote:
Hi=20 Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but = without=20 having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is = advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind = for such=20 facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to=20 codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep and = i would=20 agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not = treated=20 like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut = down after=20 some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, = schrieb Clive=20 Lorton:
If=20 you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the = voting period=20 ends.
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------=_NextPart_000_015E_01CD427D.7F400660-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3F1223800009C; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd8RP-0003BB-Bi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:18:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd8RO-0003B2-SW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:18:02 +0100 Received: from smtp13.mail.ru ([94.100.176.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd8RN-0001cI-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:18:01 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=mail.ru Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:References:To:From:Message-ID; bh=0O8u7W9uqPiYj/3wrh3wkkr4kXLSfx7ZG2umVRnCkAs=; b=mglm8CYrB7s3g7sgndNJPF3IolP9JDAZ3QHQOMhtGeo8PzLwTQg0zeiVtIkAWRC7IZS64GnIQ3rCW84jF5LA0ON4dQbBn3tQumL959muqrmRp4UwNlf8TJe9n0UC+Kvj; Received: from [79.98.8.29] (port=1432 helo=EFREMOV) by smtp13.mail.ru with esmtpa (envelope-from ) id 1Sd8RK-0008Fk-Km for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 03:17:59 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <003501cd45cc$eadbca10$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CF13DA2999C95F-250-7AFD@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> <001701cd45c6$e3bfee60$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <8CF13DF5AA6BDA8-250-7CC1@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 03:16:49 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD45EE.4EE8E030" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81366 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:477913312:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m015.1 ; domain : mail.ru DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61874fd288734d33 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CD45EE.4EE8E030 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Markus, Excellent propagation! Your signal 10-12 db, Stefan ~20 db (audible)! Opera: 22:29 136 PA0WMR Op8 -30 dB 73 Andrey Andrey, thanks for the nice report! 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Walter, 1W output means abt 0.006W ERP. what a difference to your 1W ERP! GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 28.06.2012 19:10 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 54c274b8b0f8da777e8f702c98fe24ad Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----16789A2E3A3943A7BD14ADB634F4BEA2" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:491007808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fec93df4f2c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------16789A2E3A3943A7BD14ADB634F4BEA2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Walter, 1W output means abt 0=2E006W ERP=2E what a difference to your 1W ERP! GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 19:10 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Uwe, DJ2LF and DK6NI do not use more than 1W ERP=2E Maybe your QTH has = lower noise than ours here near Erlangen=2E=20 We will meet - i am sure=2E But sri=2E=20 73=A0=A0 Walter DJ2LF=20 ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail=2Ede =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg =20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:03 PM=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=20 Hi all, last two nights on the air: oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid=2E all 599 in jo43sv=2E the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6=2E25 sq m tuned to 475kHz=2E the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn=2E so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient=2E GL Uwe/dj89wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 06:35 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC If=A0someone is=A0interested i=A0may=A0convert the circuit=A0from=A0my=A0= mind=A0into a schematic as a=A0png file=2E=20 Always=A0interested ;-)=20 73, Rik=A0=A0ON7YD - OR7T ------16789A2E3A3943A7BD14ADB634F4BEA2 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = --_bfd5e521-84c0-4701-bb79-78a5376248c4_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 62A24380000A4; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkCBJ-0005F1-7f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:42:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkCBI-0005Es-Ok for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:42:36 +0100 Received: from nm24-vm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.109.194]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkCBG-0000c0-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:42:35 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm24.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 10:42:33 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.225] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 10:42:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 10:42:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 771001.59184.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 61299 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2012 10:42:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=KgxRrVXhIo5OwgHvYMhm+MlX5es69NWtcd5imr0WC81mCmq8d3x+NAg0EgZj0c5Mpskx3oL7Lw/oD3HIYPkwNP+udFUqGE4s+9a7Q1al2P6zfO4XS5Olq2RoTaHkhxAU1eQMzvQn16QgtqC4k8fhaFPW7z3zIj8gXJDeJ7bwi64= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1340880153; bh=5Musi6LJSWvfCmFbKRD5kljG2Z/ydhi/JsJGVnBYbME=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=Va2J57OrGeilQ0+1UU46ARs7/ibVKEfrYbB3aHc3ueJ6tbtqOYcnbSUNy8q5N/+WPzLIWdVUpV8+uwRgy0g5LqIK8L4cmF0mp7CkNNMlpOl8TzqxtlCPd6NqStju12bAnLhcXv3gkhAmZXvVL1Hv3cFT4QrVihtKeT7oeE64p5k= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: QL0JpvwVM1mK6c8A56XQhFBrmEdDpF9bR6y1zqdY1ul8Lai WLtQ4vcE41ANyRztujytrZ6tEByU_P9njxnuyk7jd.Y3KfBcSrBm3_r3Ku2R DowOLR535ac8_PiTiZOLcyRptAC3sPczYAHARjF4HNzOJnzYQaxF5LAJGZjo gvYQH4yo3r2yDQsmzmHj6lPrVz5E9Iu89NfYSInTRDbKmrFCfzX1wxBRN7s3 y69Rj8xSkuxhTSUwuUhyzgqoTcCOMoQF2gAUByhZp_cPDH.dK0mtHidKkhSo JBay8gxdmsl.pOM4RmNOeAJqXUzaPvCyddfHAs8z0OET3cy.n6ZolyVvSz7R Q.7QwZTah5F.gsVWtqjJ0hwfbkxn1KsEDMATI0PIcT4kxXfgqM.8xA7OC4wh H2jeMAKxHTh0W_CnqxVrPvNvCxZGo21Xw_pTf.w2VWekb9Epa.y4vgfRqTwK EMCYwesiES6sEMIUZvlB4gOlEW4YQY8NHj9LU8tJ3Nn9F4t6zVAUjLVpNPvy p.40RNnins84iDU.0OJYiQQaPP7Qw3lezrrjPOA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- Received: from lindavideo (ken.h.wright@86.173.47.194 with login) by smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2012 03:42:33 -0700 PDT From: "Ken" To: References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:42:29 +0100 Message-ID: <3B8FD55FDE7A402F9D1C33B7FEF92C09@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1UtUnxEyZctzULQ1Kh7FZahYfnzgAZS+bg In-Reply-To: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Would be much appreciated. Ken M0KHW [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.194 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:449425248:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m418.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fec355676d8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Would be much appreciated. Ken M0KHW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Stefan = Sch=E4fer Sent: 27 June 2012 23:33 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC MF, For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that=20 operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX = can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input power=20 must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can be=20 switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output = impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is not so=20 critical, Z=3DR may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The FETs are=20 IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer uses RF litz=20 wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort for optimising=20 the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW QSO or longer calls = at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate)=20 becomes hand warm. The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF power. = The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this = measurement. If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a=20 schematic as a png file. 73, Stefan/DK7FC https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.= JPG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8C3DB38000095; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUj3-0005GS-0Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:18:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUj2-0005GE-Jn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:18:32 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjUj0-0005V5-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:18:31 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5QCITcN010712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:18:29 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QCISRQ010797 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:18:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE9A825.2060607@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:16:37 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> In-Reply-To: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Niels, Are you QRV this evening? I am QRV in CW on 472 kHz as well. I would like to try today, maybe 21 UTC or so? Looking forward to hear and see my first station from OZ below 1 MHz! 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: Re: LF: 472khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050206010201090802070206" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:432127808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fe9a8c22b67 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050206010201090802070206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niels, Are you QRV this evening? I am QRV in CW on 472 kHz as well. I would like to try today, maybe 21 UTC or so? Looking forward to hear and see my first station from OZ below 1 MHz! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.06.2012 12:15, schrieb Niels Rask: > now i got my permission to 472-479 khz . am qrv on cw > de oz7foc/niels --------------050206010201090802070206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niels,

Are you QRV this evening? I am QRV in CW on 472 kHz as well. I would like to try today, maybe 21 UTC or so?
Looking forward to hear and see my first station from OZ below 1 MHz!

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 26.06.2012 12:15, schrieb Niels Rask:
now i got my permission to 472-479 khz . am qrv on cw
de oz7foc/niels
--------------050206010201090802070206-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 25D3238000065; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaZCu-0003me-20 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:16:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaZCt-0003mV-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:16:27 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaZCr-0003Hj-0G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:16:26 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.185]) by cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:16:24 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.5]) by cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:16:23 +0200 Received: from Extensa ([195.241.183.120]) by CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:16:23 +0200 Message-ID: <435D293248114658AC53DFB8A3C50493@Extensa> From: "PA1SDB, Peter" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7F143.7080106@psk31.plus.com> <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> <4FC921C8.9010705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FC921C8.9010705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:16:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18645 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2012 21:16:23.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC2A1310:01CD403B] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, I use version 2.77 b13 here. I ask it, just to be sure all 4 Spectrum labs are not pulling the SR individual into a other direction... Sometimes happpens something similar at my job when a cable reel starts rolling and a colleague wants to slow it down and the other just wants him rol quicker. They go grumbling to each other.... :-) [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.14 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: Re: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459726656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4fc931780a2d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan, I use version 2.77 b13 here. I ask it, just to be sure all 4 Spectrum labs are not pulling the SR individual into a other direction... Sometimes happpens something similar at my job when a cable reel starts rolling and a colleague wants to slow it down and the other just wants him rol quicker. They go grumbling to each other.... :-) O.T.: Not 100% the same, but I think these 2 cable install engineers did start grumbling to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNdxVAdz0KY :-) 73's, Peter - PA1SDB www.qsl.net/pa1sdb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. > Hi Peter, > > I'm not sure if there are new versions that do the job in one instance. But normally you need the sample rate detector in each SL > instance separately. > > What version are you using? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 01.06.2012 20:50, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: >> Hello... >> >> I was wondering the following: >> >> I have here 4x Spectrum Lab task running at one PC to serve my SUB9KHz grabber page at www.qsl.net/pa1sdb >> I use that Sampling Rate detector in all 4 Spectrum Lab tasks. >> Is that OK, or need I only one Sampling Rate detector that callibrates the other 3 tasks to ? >> (one master - 3 clients without that SR cal active) >> >> 73's Peter - PA1SDB >> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 37C48380001CF; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd1HS-0000F1-EH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:39:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd1HR-0000Eq-VH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:39:17 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd1HQ-0008Eu-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:39:16 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag4FAC0c0k9cF/6o/2dsb2JhbABFnnYDjyeGMIEIghMRAwEBA0kCIQsCCAIBBgECGQInEgECAQEaBiQZBAECAgEBh365IJEmA4gNhTF6gR6VQ4Jg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,377,1336345200"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="388820444" Received: from host-92-23-254-168.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.168]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Jun 2012 16:39:12 +0100 Message-ID: <001301cd458c$d9c61db0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:39:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: All, No pros and cons, just a few words from an OM. I know the Reflector is slow and some times has small problems but I am used to it and see no major reason for this sudden change. 73, Albert PA0A [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.33 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7b4dbd93955117b98f3a6ac4d7602f88 Subject: LF: BS Reflector status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:346707520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41184fcb542b553f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none All, No pros and cons, just a few words from an OM. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham Yes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon trying to make up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable power on the rig (GW3UEP) Class E Fet O/P stage Gate. PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actually done nothing to stop it....... weird. I have only just got my head around opera...... thought it was a linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW transmission which I like. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.132 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: fce77e88417377663dedf94f027ec622 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1507048413-623648149-1338641975=:19311" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:456509088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d008.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fca0e700f8f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1507048413-623648149-1338641975=:19311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham=0A=A0=0AYes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon = trying to make up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable power on the ri= g (GW3UEP) Class E Fet O/P stage Gate. PC not crashed .... wait for it! ...= . for a bit now actually done nothing to stop it....... weird.=0A=A0I have = only just got my head around opera...... =A0thought it was a linear mode bu= t this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW transmission which I l= ike.=0A=0AThanks for all the info on opera btw.=0A=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT= IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 Jun= e 2012, 13:37=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=0A = =0A=0AWow=A0=A0 and that=A0 was=A0 just using the=A0 Op=A0 =0Aw/fall !=A0 Y= ou=A0 could=A0 reduce to=A0 2 watts=A0=A0 =0Aand=A0 still=A0 decode !=A0=A0= =0A=0AGlad the=A0 system=A0 is=A0 working=A0 for=A0 you =0A=0AG.. =0A= =0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = =0Adial =0A =0AThanks Paul =0A=A0 =0AGraham is right about QRG. =0A=A0 =0AM= y PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer =0A(not a= ffected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking.=0A =0A73 es GL Pete M0F= MT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Saturday, 2 Ju= ne 2012, =0A13:12=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dia= l=0A=0A=0A =0Acould be=A0=A0 503.275=A0 ?=A0=A0 +/-=A0=A0 a =0Abit=A0 ! =0A= =0AG. =0A=0A =0AFrom: Clemens Paul =0ASent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 = PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ACc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co= .uk =0ASubject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A =0A>on 501.59= kc/s USB RX dial setting =0A=A0 =0AWhat is the actual tx qrg then? =0AJust = for exactly looking if the signal is visible at =0Aall. =0A=A0 =0A73=0AClem= ens=0ADL4RAJ =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM =0A>Su= bject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi All=0A>=0A>Plea= se report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QRG.= =0A>=0A>73 Pete FMT=0A> =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>____= ____________________________=0A>=A0 =0A>E-Mail ist virenfrei.=0A>Von AVG = =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de=0A>Version: =0A 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2= 425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012 --1507048413-623648149-1338641975=:19311 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Walter,
1W output means abt 0=2E006W ERP=2E
what a difference to your 1W ERP!
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 19:10
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: Re: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Uwe, DJ2LF an= d DK6NI do not use more than 1W ERP=2E Maybe your QTH has lower noise than ours here near Erlangen=2E
We will meet = - i am sure=2E But sri=2E
73  = ; Walter DJ2LF
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June = 28, 2012 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: = 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi all,
last two nights on the air:
oz7foc, dj2lf, dk6ni, dl3zid=2E all 599 in jo43sv=2E

the rx antenna here is a mag loop 6=2E25 sq m tuned to 475kHz=2E

the above stns called CQ but didnt hear my stn=2E

so the ears here are OK but the output pwr of 1W seems insufficient=2E

GL
Uwe/dj89wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 28=2E06=2E2012 06:35
An: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a schematic as a png file=2E

 <= /p>

Always in= terested ;-)

 <= /p>

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

------16789A2E3A3943A7BD14ADB634F4BEA2-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7EAA93800008F; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdJuY-0007Jv-1h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:32:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdJuX-0007Jm-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:32:53 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.190.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdJuV-0004D4-OH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:32:52 +0100 Received: from BAY154-W32 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 9 Jun 2012 04:32:48 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [81.200.63.88] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: _RSGB_LF Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:32:48 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007201cd4624$74740560$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: ,<007201cd4624$74740560$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2012 11:32:48.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[98C77FA0:01CD4633] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mal, LF!I tried to hear your signal, but sorry, I was not successful. There is lots of QRM from beacon from Budapest near the frequency. Well ... may be at some other times. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG From: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:44:24 +0000 Subject: LF: Re: DK7FC_in_JN88KS [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.54.190.23 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (bvgbob[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fbdd513523001863775249cfaf215eac Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bfd5e521-84c0-4701-bb79-78a5376248c4_" Subject: RE: LF: Re: DK7FC_in_JN88KS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:500375936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fd334a4144b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_bfd5e521-84c0-4701-bb79-78a5376248c4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal=2C LF!I tried to hear your signal=2C but sorry=2C I was not succe= ssful. There is lots of QRM from beacon from Budapest near the frequency. W= ell ... may be at some other times. 73! Lubos=2C OK2BVG From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat=2C 9 Jun 2012 09:44:24 +0000 Subject: LF: Re: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Hi Lubos I think this is a BEACON field day=2C no QSO'S are=20 taking place. Can you hear me on 136.5 cw and if so pse call also xband=20 7033 cw 73 de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Lubos OK2BVG=20 =20 To: _RSGB_LF=20 Sent: Saturday=2C June 09=2C 2012 9:38=20 AM Subject: LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS =20 Hello Stefan=2C LF! I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good=2C S/N more= =20 than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-) RST =3D 599 UFB =20 73! =20 Lubos=2C OK2BVG=2C JN88KS =20 = --_bfd5e521-84c0-4701-bb79-78a5376248c4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Mal=2C LF!
I tried to hear your signal=2C but sorry=2C I was not = successful. There is lots of QRM from beacon from Budapest near the frequen= cy. Well ... may be at some other times.

73!

Lubos=2C OK2BVG

From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net
To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org
Date: Sat=2C 9 Jun 2012 09:44:24 +0000
Subject: LF: Re: DK7FC_= in_JN88KS

Hi Lubos
I think this is a BEACON field day=2C = no QSO'S are=20 taking place. Can you hear me on 136.5 cw and if so pse call also xband=20 7033
cw
73 de mal/g3kev
 =3B
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lubos = OK2BVG=20
Sent: Saturday=2C June 09=2C 2012 9= :38=20 AM
Subject: LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS

Hello Stefan=2C LF!
I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good=2C S/N = more=20 than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-)
RST =3D 599 UFB

73!

Lubos=2C OK2BVG=2C JN88KS

=
 




------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD532B.96A61BA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2E52C380000F3; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkGaN-0006di-Ub for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:24:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkGaL-0006dZ-Hy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:24:45 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkGaJ-0003KZ-DR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:24:44 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5SFOgRj009465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:24:42 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5SFOg5N001607 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:24:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEC76C8.9040700@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:22:48 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1474092.1340466836144.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1340474829.4474.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340892687.85075.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340892873.80692.YahooMailNeo@web29505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4FEC7008.9010001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEC7008.9010001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: PS: For a 50 Ohm output, just 2 or 3 turns on the out-coupling winding was the best choice for my ferrite antenna. Am 28.06.2012 16:54, schrieb Stefan Schäfer: > Hi Daniele. > > If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer works well. > > Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively > coupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes > directly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an > oscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns > to get a maximum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly > depends on the position of this secondary winding on the coil. The > impedance becomes lower when you come closer to the center of the rod. > > The will affect the Q of the resonated system. So you may build an > arrangement which allows you to move and fix the secondary coil on the > rod. If the signal is strong enough, maybe from a nearby BCD station, > you can reduce the "gain" a bit. I have done it similarly with my > active ferrite antenna, see > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 28.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Daniele Tincani: >> Hello LF, >> it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 turns >> of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling and >> peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning >> range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower >> frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have >> only made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the >> internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the >> antenna suitable also for direct connection with a 50 ohm input. What >> do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or a buffer >> amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it >> advisable to use the main coil as the primary winding? >> 73 >> Daniele IZ5WWB [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 9be3f060697a097db7a337109fbeece1 Subject: Re: LF: Coupling a LF resonant ferrite rx antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040304070206080106030807" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:409444960:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fec778547c2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040304070206080106030807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5SFOgRj009465 PS: For a 50 Ohm output, just 2 or 3 turns on the out-coupling winding=20 was the best choice for my ferrite antenna. Am 28.06.2012 16:54, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > Hi Daniele. > > If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer works well. > > Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively=20 > coupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes=20 > directly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an=20 > oscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns=20 > to get a maximum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly=20 > depends on the position of this secondary winding on the coil. The=20 > impedance becomes lower when you come closer to the center of the rod. > > The will affect the Q of the resonated system. So you may build an=20 > arrangement which allows you to move and fix the secondary coil on the=20 > rod. If the signal is strong enough, maybe from a nearby BCD station,=20 > you can reduce the "gain" a bit. I have done it similarly with my=20 > active ferrite antenna, see=20 > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.= JPG > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 28.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Daniele Tincani: >> Hello LF, >> it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 turns=20 >> of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling and=20 >> peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning=20 >> range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower=20 >> frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have=20 >> only made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the=20 >> internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the=20 >> antenna suitable also for direct connection with a 50 ohm input. What=20 >> do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or a buffer=20 >> amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it=20 >> advisable to use the main coil as the primary winding? >> 73 >> Daniele IZ5WWB --------------040304070206080106030807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PS: For a 50 Ohm output, just 2 or 3 turns on the out-coupling winding was the best choice for my ferrite antenna.

Am 28.06.2012 16:54, schrieb Stefan Schäfer:
Hi Daniele.

If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer works well.

Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively coupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes directly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an oscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns to get a maximum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly depends on the position of this secondary winding on the coil. The impedance becomes lower when you come closer to the center of the rod.

The will affect the Q of the resonated system. So you may build an arrangement which allows you to move and fix the secondary coil on the rod. If the signal is strong enough, maybe from a nearby BCD station, you can reduce the "gain" a bit. I have done it similarly with my active ferrite antenna, see https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 28.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Daniele Tincani:
Hello LF,
 
it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 turns of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have only made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct connection with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it advisable to use the main coil as the primary winding?
 
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 
--------------040304070206080106030807-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3D30E380000B1; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbECs-0002zp-0U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:03:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbECr-0002zg-HM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:03:09 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbECp-0002hs-9U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:03:08 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AucFAMCXy09Ok8gE/2dsb2JhbABEo1KQT4EIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBgwKCAYTCgECAgEBh2wDD6tqDYlOijFggnqDFgOIDYUwklmEe4JggV8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="394721363" Received: from host-78-147-200-4.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.200.4]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 18:03:06 +0100 Message-ID: <003801cd41aa$bee050f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:03:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 567a11ac6cfe1e88f3054745c06178fe Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41AA.BEB2FF60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492836032:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174fcb98f60d01 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41AA.BEB2FF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Umm, sorry Eddie ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20 Well John When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some time back indicating = that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban persons like me = whose opinions and point of view differ from his, this is hardly = encouraging or democratic. A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth operation of any organised = group but not CENSORSHIP or BANNING. Come on Mal I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but please don't resort to = lies. Eddie ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01CD41AA.BEB2FF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation = from=20 G3XBM
G3KEV
 
Hi Graham
 
Yes very pleased with it so far= I will change power soon trying to make up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable power on the rig (GW= 3UEP) Class E Fet O/P stage Gate. PC not cra= shed .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actually done nothing to stop it.= ...... weird.
=
 I have only just got my head around opera......  thou= ght it was a linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW transmission which I like.
&n= bsp;
Thanks for all the info on opera btw.
 
=
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
= From: Graham <g8fzk@g8f= zk.fsnet.co.uk>
To:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Se= nt: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:37
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial=

=0A=0A =0A =0A
=0AWow   and that  was  just using the  Op  =0A= w/fall !  You  could  reduce to  2 watts   = =0Aand  still  decode !  
=0A
 
=0A=
Glad the  system  is  working  for  you =0A
 
=0A
G..
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=0A

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From: M0FMT
=0A<= div>Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM
=0A
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
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Subj= ect: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX =0Adial
= =0A

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=0A
Thanks Paul
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 =0A
Graham is right about QRG.
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=0A
My = PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer =0A(not aff= ected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking.
=0A
7= 3 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: Graham <= g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To= : rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sen= t: Saturday, 2 June 2012, =0A13:12
Subject: Re: LF: Re: =0Abeacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

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=0A=0A= =0A
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could be   503.275  ?   +/- &= nbsp; a =0Abit  !
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=0A
G.
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=0A

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=0A=
From: Clemens= Paul =0A
=0A
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM=0A=0A=0A
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59= kc/s USB RX dial
=0A

=0A
>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
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=0A
What is the actual tx qrg the= n?
=0A
Just for exactly looking if the sig= nal is visible at =0Aall.
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73
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--1507048413-623648149-1338641975=:19311-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4F36F3800009F; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SftW6-0006Ut-G4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:58:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SftW6-0006Uk-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:58:18 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SftW4-0002BJ-HF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:58:17 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFAN2P3E9Ok8/K/2dsb2JhbABFn3IDlV2BCIIPBBQBAQNJAiELAggCAQYBHTkBBBoGCBwdAQICAQGHfrhPkXMDiA+FNJdegmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,422,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="389964826" Received: from host-78-147-207-202.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.207.202]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 14:58:14 +0100 Message-ID: <005401cd4bc8$0ff74c60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:58:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been associated with marine communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the new band. Get your PK232 and KAM tnc's out and ready. de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: a6b6ffaf48fdddf1ed5c25dc4bf03ee1 Subject: LF: amtor 473 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD4BC8.0F6D0DC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:229277312:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fdc913151a4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD4BC8.0F6D0DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been associated with marine = communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the new = band. Get your PK232 and KAM tnc's out and ready. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD4BC8.0F6D0DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
Amtor as well as CW has traditionally been = associated with=20 marine communications. Amtor standard 170hz shift would be ideal for the = new=20 band. Get your PK232  and KAM tnc's out and = ready.
 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD4BC8.0F6D0DC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D5B03380000A0; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbEZf-0003Sf-Vb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:26:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbEZf-0003SW-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:26:43 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbEZd-0002qZ-Qo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:26:42 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFAOGcy09Ok8gE/2dsb2JhbABEnlKVT4EIghMFAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMEDQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh361SYsRgnqDFgONPZdUgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="388198042" Received: from host-78-147-200-4.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.200.4]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 18:26:40 +0100 Message-ID: <004b01cd41ae$095039e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> <4FCB9A03.8080802@usa.net> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:26:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Blacksheep was administered by Fair minded persons and organised in a democratic manner with freedom of expression. From what G3XBM implied Yahoo membership would not be the case, one reason why he wanted the move. That is what he said, not my words. Cannot say I have heard you active on the LF/MF bands, silent operator. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 47a967f57bae6380aac0a0062beb1b4e Subject: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01CD41AE.09149070" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497196384:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fcb9e8916c8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CD41AE.09149070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blacksheep was administered by Fair minded persons and organised in a = democratic manner with freedom of expression. >From what G3XBM implied Yahoo membership would not be the case, one = reason why he wanted the move. That is what he said, not my words. = Cannot say I have heard you active on the LF/MF bands, silent operator. g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alberto di Bene=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 5:08 PM Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status On 6/3/2012 6:56 PM, Tony wrote:=20 Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.=20 Can't the same be done also by the Blacksheep moderator (or = administrator, if this term is more acceptable) ? Censorship (or the lack of thereof) does not depend on the technical = substrate, but just on the person who has the authority to perform it. 73 Alberto I2PHD ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CD41AE.09149070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Blacksheep was administered by Fair minded = persons and=20 organised in a democratic manner with freedom of = expression.
From what G3XBM implied Yahoo = membership would not be=20 the case, one reason why he wanted the move. That is what he said, = not my=20 words. Cannot say I have heard you active on the LF/MF bands, silent=20 operator.
 
g3kev
 
 
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From:=20 Alberto di = Bene=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 5:08 PM
Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

On 6/3/2012 6:56 PM, Tony wrote:=20
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Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. =
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Can't the = same be done=20 also by the Blacksheep moderator (or administrator, if this term is = more=20 acceptable) ?
Censorship (or the lack of thereof) does not depend = on the=20 technical substrate, but just on the person who
has the authority = to=20 perform it.

73  Alberto =20 I2PHD

 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CD41AE.09149070-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 04D84380000BF; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHvI-0002M1-Le for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:38:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHvH-0002Ls-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:38:19 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjHvE-0000A6-5U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:38:18 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.169]) by mwinf5d37 with ME id SmeE1j0033f0J8203meEaL; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:38:15 +0200 Message-ID: <7D46521111C34DC380603D43B22BCB8D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <20120625.113436.1661.631277@mailpop04.vgs.untd.com> <1340654283.10216.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1340658147.14634.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340658147.14634.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:38:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120625-0, 25/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: R Pete Ahh By split , I mean the anti-jam in channel split , When on the same frequency, the ground TX (used tobe ?) off set from the aircraft Tx frequency , so if the Aircraft TX jammed 'ON' then other aircraft could still receive the ground , that was the reason for wide IF pass bands and keeping to AM for the comm.'s .... Marine coms , adopted FM ... [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b6451ee7f2b576a2ba2fb8334c73aa80 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD532B.96A61BA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488877728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064fe8e8956fec X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD532B.96A61BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R Pete=20 Ahh By split , I mean the anti-jam in channel split , When on = the same frequency, the ground TX (used tobe ?) off set from = the aircraft Tx frequency , so if the Aircraft TX jammed 'ON' = then other aircraft could still receive the ground , that was = the reason for wide IF pass bands and keeping to AM for the = comm.'s .... Marine coms , adopted FM ... There is a afc for cw=20 OT ? over the top more like , the disclaimer on the = yab-a-dab-a-doo group is bigger than the space left for the = messages , I think the name Black-Sheep seems to be quite apt = now !,=20 Big-bang , according to my arrl hand book , HF communications = will tend to be attenuated in the direction of the burst , = assume by producing quite a big Fariday screen , also recommends = you keep your radio in a metal sweet tin ala blue peter garden = ! =20 Did get good signals on the MW on the way to work from France = during the eclipse some time ago , due to the lack of ionisation = G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:02 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Graham ............ to monitor off frequency nets and the tower/aircraft = split............... ? there is no split frequency working the Tower and = A/C both use the same QRG its just that the A/C being at altitude can be = heard the Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can not be = heard........ if thats what you ment. I use the say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B) LO for Tower so when = the hand over from Approach to Tower occures I merely click the = appropriate LO A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well it is at Luton = AP anyway. Sorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector........ just as well = the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be getting = our keying fingers rapped!!!!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 21:19 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Yes I think Andy gave a talk at the egham convention on using = a/d from mobile phones , the new ones had the extra bits to = give the full dynamic range on HF ..he was using hardware block = convertors ......... never saw any items offered for sale = ........only some very high price 'HF rx' using the same ideas = ...I think the give away is the band being covered in frequency = blocks , which I assume is down to the down convertors=20 Dont think he is monitoring BS now , or we might of got the = fill in, but one things is certain, the =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle = has saved me from buying a R7000 ...All we need now is a = little more stability in the control software and a wide-band = FM option in HDSDR =20 Im getting the gb3ang beacon on 70 Mhz good signal with my = indoor 2 ele quad .......... the PMR band on 446 Mhz with the = co-linera from 10 miles away in liverpool ssb on 144 MHz etc =20 Definable FM-AFC (AND AM) would be handy to monitor off = frequency nets and the tower/aircraft split=20 I think possible the driver software could improve as more take = up the idea ....... could HDSDR have its own driver code block = .......... Ive noticed there is a routine that some times = appears that 'purges' the device ......now if that could be run = at will , that would be a big help, to recover a locked = system=20 73 -G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Bob If you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at earlier = posts. However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of little interest = to you.=20 You say dangle we say dongle..... :-0 These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug straight = into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving = local digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in = the US and they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. = If I need to tell you more please ask but this is all in public domain = on the web (but not in Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played with = these things for about 6 months now and for a few quid (dollars) are = fun. If you build a simple up converter with a say a 60meg LO guess = what, you have an all band HF radio as well. Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? We = are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "riese-k3djc@juno.com" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 19:34 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =EF=BB=BF=20 Been Kinda out of any loop on this =20 BUT if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct = chip set it will cover MF to HF using an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with = my SDR IQ which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set = HDSDR will run that TV dangle as a HF radio ?? Bob K3DJC On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" = writes: Hello Pete If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid = on the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling = digital down conversion SDR. It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has = a LAN interface for remote access. The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and = VAT. You can find more details here http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description https://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b1022925e I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer. 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Mal The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the = price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D = converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on LF = because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think its = worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks = people have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not = sure. It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known = LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 = chipset. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD532B.96A61BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
R Pete
 
Ahh   By  split , I mean the  = anti-jam  =20 in channel  split  , When  on the  same  = frequency,=20 the  ground  TX  (used tobe ?)   off  = set =20 from the  aircraft  Tx  frequency  , so  = if=20 the  Aircraft TX jammed  'ON' then  other  = aircraft =20 could  still  receive  the  ground   , = that =20 was  the  reason  for  wide  IF pass  = bands=20 and  keeping  to AM  for the  comm.'s .... =20 Marine  coms  , adopted  FM ...
 
There is a  afc  for  cw
 
 
OT ?  over the  top  more like ,  the  = disclaimer=20 on the  yab-a-dab-a-doo  group    is bigger  = than=20 the  space  left  for the  messages , I think = the =20 name  Black-Sheep  seems  to  be  quite  = apt =20 now  !,
 
Big-bang  , according  to  my  arrl  = hand =20 book , HF communications  will  tend to  be =20 attenuated  in the  direction  of the  burst  , = assume  by  producing  quite  a big =20 Fariday   screen , also  recommends  you  = keep =20 your  radio  in a  metal  sweet tin ala   = blue=20 peter  garden ! 
 
Did  get  good  signals  on the  MW on = the =20 way  to  work  from  France  during  = the =20 eclipse some  time  ago  , due to the  lack  = of =20 ionisation
 
G..
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:02 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Graham
 
 
............ to monitor off frequency nets and the = tower/aircraft=20 split............... ? there is no split frequency working the = Tower and=20 A/C both use the same QRG its just that the A/C being at = altitude can=20 be heard the Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can not be=20 heard........ if thats what you ment.
 
I use the say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B) LO = for Tower=20 so when the hand over from Approach to Tower occures I merely click the=20 appropriate LO A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well it is at = Luton AP=20 anyway.
 
Sorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector........ = just as=20 well the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be = getting our=20 keying fingers rapped!!!!!!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 25 = June 2012,=20 21:19
Subject: Re: = LF: SDR=20 programs

Yes I think  Andy  gave a talk  at the  = egham =20 convention  on using   a/d  from  mobile  = phones ,=20 the  new  ones had the  extra  bits  to  = give=20 the  full  dynamic  range on  HF ..he  = was =20 using   hardware  block  convertors ......... = never =20 saw  any  items  offered  for  sale =20 ........only  some  very  high price  'HF rx' =20 using  the  same  ideas  ...I think  the =20 give  away  is  the  band  being  covered = in=20 frequency   blocks , which I assume  is  down = to =20 the  down  convertors
 
Dont  think  he is  monitoring  BS now , = or =20 we  might  of  got the  fill  in, but  one = things  is  certain, the =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle  = has =20 saved  me  from  buying  a  R7000 ...All = we =20 need  now  is  a  little  more  = stability  in=20 the   control  software  and  a =20 wide-band  FM option in  HDSDR 
 
Im getting the  gb3ang   beacon  on  70 = Mhz =20 good  signal  with  my indoor   2 ele  = quad=20 .......... the  PMR band  on  446 Mhz  with = the =20 co-linera  from  10 miles away in liverpool  ssb on 144 = MHz =20 etc 
 
Definable  FM-AFC  (AND  AM)=20    would be handy  to  monitor  off =20 frequency  nets  and the  tower/aircraft   = split
 
I think  possible  the  driver  software =20 could  improve  as  more  take  up  = the =20 idea  ....... could  HDSDR have  its  own  = driver =20 code  block  .......... Ive  noticed there  is = a =20 routine  that  some  times  appears  that  = 'purges'  the  device  ......now  if that  = could =20 be  run at   will  , that  would  be a = big =20 help, to  recover  a  locked   system
 
73 -G.
From: M0FMT
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Bob
 
If you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at = earlier=20 posts.
 
However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of = little=20 interest to you.
 
You say dangle we say dongle..... :-0
 
These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug = straight=20 into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving = local=20 digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in the = US and=20 they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. If I = need to=20 tell you more please ask but this is all in public domain on the web = (but not in=20 Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played with these things for about = 6=20 months now and for a few quid (dollars) are fun. If you build a = simple up=20 converter with a say a 60meg LO guess what, you have an all band HF = radio=20 as well.
 
Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at = below??=20 We are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 "riese-k3djc@juno.com" <riese-k3djc@juno.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 25 = June 2012,=20 19:34
Subject: Re: = LF: SDR=20 programs

=EF=BB=BF=20
 
Been Kinda out of any loop on this  
 
BUT
 
if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he = correct chip=20 set
it will cover MF to HF using  an appropriate program. I use = HDSDR with=20 my SDR IQ
which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set = HDSDR
will run that TV dangle as a HF radio
 
??
 
Bob K3DJC
 
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" <tracey.gardner@talktalk.ne= t>=20 writes:
Hello Pete
 
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new = kid on=20 the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel.
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct = sampling=20 digital down conversion SDR.
It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and = has a=20 LAN interface for remote access.
The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping = and VAT.
 
You can find more details here
 
 
 
I've no connection other than being a satisfied customer.
 
73s Tracey G5VU
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT =
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Mal
 
The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is = the=20 price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D=20 converter. They are not really suitable for or give any = advantage on LF=20 because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a = good sound=20 card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I don't think = its=20 worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks = people=20 have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not = sure. It=20 looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX = suppiers=20 do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 = chipset.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tony=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

Umm, sorry Eddie ;-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 = 9:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" = Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE
 
<snip>
Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. =
<snip>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 g3zjo=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 = 4:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: = O.T.:=20 Reflector status

On 03/06/2012 15:52, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Well John
When you get G3XBM in a email/posting some = time back=20 indicating that a move to Yahoo would enable more control to ban = persons=20 like me whose opinions and point of view differ from his, =  this is=20 hardly encouraging or democratic.
A sysop is necessary to ensure smooth = operation of=20 any organised group but not CENSORSHIP or = BANNING.

Come on Mal

I am sure Roger can stick up for himself but = please=20 don't resort to lies.

Eddie
 
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How about an apology Eddie and a confirmation from G3XBM
G3KEV

Indeed Mal you should apologise to the Group for twisting things, I noted that you did it at the time but let you get away with it.

Eddei
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete I am sure Mexico radio stns were within range after dark but I listened to the Honolulu stns. In those days I was a Globe Trotter seeking rare DX locations. I took advantage of facilities available at the various locations.to operate amateur radio. I used Aircraft, Ships and Fixed transmitters besides having my own portable equipment when possible to carry with me. I had a certain amount of Influence to achieve my objectives !! [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b42857a5fad6e32377447282c21f62b1 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD52FE.F33FFC00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:401936416:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fe8abb97964 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD52FE.F33FFC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete I am sure Mexico radio stns were within range after dark but I listened = to the Honolulu stns. In those days I was a Globe Trotter seeking rare DX locations. I took = advantage of facilities available at the various locations.to operate = amateur radio. I used Aircraft, Ships and Fixed transmitters besides = having my own portable equipment when possible to carry with me. I had a certain amount of Influence to achieve my objectives !! 73 de G3KEV Retired Globe Trotter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 AM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Hi Mal Very intersting Did you hear any of the Border Blaster X stations out of Mexico, = quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with massive antennas haloed = with a corona that could be seen right across the border into Texas, = pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n Roll to the Pacific GIs, = Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Ionosphere than the = H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at night. Amazing range = which upset the US gov. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb =20 Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 10:34 Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Terry es Co=20 Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Google maps then. G3KEV/VR4MC . ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CD52FE.F33FFC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pete
I am sure Mexico radio stns were within range = after dark=20 but I listened to the Honolulu stns.
In those days I was a Globe Trotter seeking rare = DX=20 locations. I took advantage of facilities available at the various = locations.to=20 operate amateur radio. I used Aircraft, Ships and Fixed transmitters = besides=20 having my own portable equipment when possible to carry with = me.
I had a certain amount of Influence to achieve = my=20 objectives !!
 
73 de G3KEV  Retired Globe = Trotter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 = 11:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing:=20 11-18-2009_006

Hi Mal
 
Very intersting
 
Did you hear any of the Border Blaster X stations out of = Mexico,=20 quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with massive antennas haloed with a corona that could be seen right = across the=20 border into Texas, pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n = Roll to the=20 Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the = Ionosphere=20 than the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at night. = Amazing=20 range which upset the US gov.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal=20 hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012,=20 10:34
Subject: LF: = Emailing:=20 11-18-2009_006

Terry es Co
 
Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Google maps = then.
G3KEV/VR4MC
 
=
 .


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Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4C27.BFF62EB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475707840:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fdd23a464c5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4C27.BFF62EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Qrt now=20 00:14 500 DK8KW Op4 -26 dB 00:06 500 DK8KW Op4 -23 dB *********** 17/06/2012 ***********=20 23:23 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB From: Graham=20 Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:34 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 And finally , off air decode at 554 Miles ! 23:23 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 554 mi -28 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 deg = NO R From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 Ok Geri=20 Watching for your signal off air on 477 at the moment = .......just starting to go dark , web-browser froze , but now = back running , so am monitoring 477 via delft and off air = Liverpool at the moment . Ok, on the exciter, I use the Racal MA1723 , which will run ok = past 500 Khz , just checked and the ROS-MF 2 mode is -28 dB = min s/n =20 Its possible that 477.400 could be used , in the last 200 Hz , = as the mode is 100 Hz wide =20 Good results for you on the first day ! 73 -G.=20 From: DK8KW & DI2BO=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 Graham, I will look into ROS, I have a SSB exciter that works down to 100 kHz = which should be able to do the trick. Thanks, 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 DF2JP=20 First station to decode off air , at -22 dB that is strong = enough to use the ROS-MF-2 data mode for a qso ! , Opera qso = mode needs -20 dB min signal level ,=20 (ROS MF needs Audio + ssb or SDR tx , but is MFSK so no need = for a linear PA ) 18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w + = Umbrella,=20 18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com=20 Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20 First decode from 477 , using web-sdr at Delft =20 73 -G.=20 16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB *********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20 16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with 0.4w = + Umbrella ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4C27.BFF62EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Qrt now

00:14 500 DK8KW Op4 -26 dB

00:06 500 DK8KW Op4 -23 dB

*********** 17/06/2012 *********** =

23:23 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB


From: Graham
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

And finally , off  air  decode  = at =20 554 Miles  !

23:23 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 554 mi -28 dB in Nr Liverpool = beam 040=20 deg NO R


From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:58 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

Ok  Geri
 
Watching  for  your  signal  off  = air =20 on  477 at the  moment  .......just  starting  = to =20 go  dark  , web-browser  froze , but  now  = back =20 running  , so  am monitoring    477  = via =20 delft  and  off air  Liverpool  at the  moment = .
 
Ok, on the exciter, I use the   Racal MA1723 , = which =20 will  run  ok  past  500 Khz  , just =20 checked  and  the  ROS-MF 2 mode  is   -28 = dB  min  s/n 
 
Its possible  that  477.400  could  be  = used =20 , in the  last  200 Hz  , as the  mode  = is  100=20 Hz  wide 
 
Good  results for  you  on the  first  day = !
 
73 -G.

From: DK8KW & DI2BO
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

Graham,
 
I will look into ROS, I have a SSB = exciter=20 that works down to 100 kHz which should be able to do the=20 trick.
 
 
Thanks, 73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 9:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera = decode=20 from 477 via Delft sdr

DF2JP
 
First  station  to  decode  off  air , = at =20 -22 dB   that is  strong enough  to  use = the =20 ROS-MF-2  data  mode  for  a qso !   ,=20 Opera  qso mode  needs  -20 dB min signal  = level  ,=20
 
(ROS MF needs  Audio + ssb  or  SDR   = tx  ,=20 but  is  MFSK  so  no need  for  a  = linear=20 PA )
 

18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella,

18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com
Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

*********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20

 

16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD4C27.BFF62EB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9291438000084; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgQvL-00085c-7h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:38:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgQvK-00085T-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:38:34 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgQvJ-0000ue-0M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:38:33 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5I1cW5p010340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:38:32 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5I1cVrI023509 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:38:31 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDE8631.8010002@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:36:49 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <15B9C0CD09D4429B83AB1E02595502AD@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <15B9C0CD09D4429B83AB1E02595502AD@JimPC> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Jim, Alan, G.., Laurence, Roelof, MF, Thanks for the discussion and detailed informations. Many interesting things to learn. That sounds all very exciting and confirms many of my assumptions. Hope to meet you soon on the band. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464499104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94fde86d71071 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Jim, Alan, G.., Laurence, Roelof, MF, Thanks for the discussion and detailed informations. Many interesting things to learn. That sounds all very exciting and confirms many of my assumptions. Hope to meet you soon on the band. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 17.06.2012 22:06, schrieb James Moritz: > Dear Stefan, LF Group, > >> I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the >> xtal does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient >> temperatures in the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise >> on MF is significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. > > As well as the natural band noise being lower at MF (I estimate the > noise FS is about 10dB lower), there is also not the constant presence > of man-made noise, such as Loran and DCF39 sidebands. So the spectrum > around 500kHz does sound much quieter, especially during daytime. >> >> What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the >> afternoon? When does the band open? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all  Looks like the ceramic filters have it Stefan.  The spec shows +-2kc/s (at 3dB?) looks narrow for FM?  "What others are buying" are Tesla kits. You too can have a G3KEV Corona atop your ant!! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.63 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-663389426-1341054173=:63166" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482126016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d303.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4feedd1729ba X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-663389426-1341054173=:63166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=0A=C2=A0=0ALooks like the ceramic filters have it Stefan.=0A=C2=A0= =0AThe spec shows +-2kc/s (at 3dB?) looks narrow for FM?=0A=C2=A0=0A"What o= thers are buying" are Tesla kits. You too can have a G3KEV Corona atop your= ant!!=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>___________________________= _____=0A> From: pa3abk =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org =0A>Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2012, 10:53=0A>Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help n= eeded, mechanical filters=0A> =0A>On 29-6-2012 23:30, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = wrote:=0A>> .....=0A>>=0A>> These parts must be 50 years old or so. I find = 3.95 Euro extremely cheap=0A>>=0A>=0A>Cheap?=0A>100x for just =E2=82=AC6=0A= >http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=3Dp5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=3D472khz&_s= acat=3D0=0A>=0A>I know, I just compare apples with oranges...=C2=A0 :-)=0A>= =0A>Jan/pa3abk=0A>=0A>-- =0A>pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A= > ---1613889061-663389426-1341054173=:63166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all
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Looks like the ceramic filters have it Stefan.
<= span> 
The spec shows +-2kc/s (at 3dB?) looks n= arrow for FM?
 
"What ot= hers are buying" are Tesla kits. You too can have a G3KEV Corona atop your = ant!!
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91U= X
From: pa3abk <pa3abk@kpnmail.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2012, 10:53
Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Help need= ed, mechanical filters

On 29-6-2012 23:30, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote:
> ...= ..
>
> These parts must be 50 years old or so. I find 3.95 Euro= extremely cheap
>

Cheap?
100x for just =E2=82=AC6
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?= _trksid=3Dp5197.m570.l1313&_nkw<= /span>=3D472khz&_sacat=3D0

I know, I just c= ompare apples with oranges...  :-)

Jan/pa3abk

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---1613889061-663389426-1341054173=:63166-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5A1B838000083; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeDCo-00074Q-4k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:35:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeDCn-00074H-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:35:25 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeDCk-0005D1-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:35:24 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5BMZLCt025277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:35:21 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5BMYLRK027903 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:34:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD6720C.9090606@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:32:44 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003a01cd461b$78e33570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <000001cd461f$4d2fef50$e78fcdf0$@com> <005e01cd4621$e0d34660$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <01bc01cd4623$557e9090$007bb1b0$@com> <4FD4D08A.6070408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003101cd472f$b96d1060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Terry, Am 10.06.2012 23:38, schrieb Terry GW0EZY: > > Stefan > > Thanks for your interest in my LF preparations. > Yes, there are not many transmitting newcomers on the band and what you tell sounds serious. > > I was lucky earlier this year to obtain a Decca 5501 (Many thanks > Mal). It is now tuned to 136 kHz thanks to the very helpful and > detailed notes posted on the internet by Jim M0BMU, Dave G0MRF and > Mike G3XDV. The antenna is an inverted L with one end in a tree 22 m > high about 90 metres from my shack with a 13 m mast. > That sounds very nice. For LF, my favorite measuring device is the tuning meter of M0BMU. Probably you know the pdf / article. It is very helpful to accurately find the resonance and match the impedance to 50 Ohm. Do you have a good ground conductivity? At least that sounds all most promising so that i will see you on the band. > > Will try to get a neighbours agreement for a 300m loop. > Vertical or horizontal? I can confirm from a test what i read about the very poor performance of horizontal loops on LF. So better use the aerial as a wire against ground. However a vertical loop could be nice to play with. But the vertical will be much better i expect! > > For loading, two large clear-plastic "mixing" buckets giving 800 mm > height and 300 mm width. I should be able to get 200 turns using a > combination of Litz wire (thanks Mal) and Flexweave. Not sure if it > will give enough loading or what the variable tuning arrangement will be. > Well, my coil is also 300mm in diameter and i also have a inv-L antenna. But mine is "just" 70m long and i only need about 160 turns. So you will need less i think. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 2f90a4c609af5ffc8bc1d07d55c0cce1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: GW0EZY (reply to DK7FC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010900080000090908050806" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464921696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4fd672e36705 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010900080000090908050806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Terry, Am 10.06.2012 23:38, schrieb Terry GW0EZY: > > Stefan > > Thanks for your interest in my LF preparations. > Yes, there are not many transmitting newcomers on the band and what you tell sounds serious. > > I was lucky earlier this year to obtain a Decca 5501 (Many thanks > Mal). It is now tuned to 136 kHz thanks to the very helpful and > detailed notes posted on the internet by Jim M0BMU, Dave G0MRF and > Mike G3XDV. The antenna is an inverted L with one end in a tree 22 m > high about 90 metres from my shack with a 13 m mast. > That sounds very nice. For LF, my favorite measuring device is the tuning meter of M0BMU. Probably you know the pdf / article. It is very helpful to accurately find the resonance and match the impedance to 50 Ohm. Do you have a good ground conductivity? At least that sounds all most promising so that i will see you on the band. > > Will try to get a neighbours agreement for a 300m loop. > Vertical or horizontal? I can confirm from a test what i read about the very poor performance of horizontal loops on LF. So better use the aerial as a wire against ground. However a vertical loop could be nice to play with. But the vertical will be much better i expect! > > For loading, two large clear-plastic "mixing" buckets giving 800 mm > height and 300 mm width. I should be able to get 200 turns using a > combination of Litz wire (thanks Mal) and Flexweave. Not sure if it > will give enough loading or what the variable tuning arrangement will be. > Well, my coil is also 300mm in diameter and i also have a inv-L antenna. But mine is "just" 70m long and i only need about 160 turns. So you will need less i think. > A lot of work to do before LF Txing, so it was good to have the 7 MHz > X-Band QSOs this weekend with Mal on 136 and 500 kHz to give me a try > at LF ops. If any other LF op can do X-Band I would like to test and > there are probably other LF listeners who might like to try an X-Band > test. If you can do X-Band to 40m or other HF band I'm sure you would > create a lot of interest as your beacon is probably one of the first > amateur signals new LFers hear. > Yes, i should consider to arrange a HF station near the LF system. But it's not so easy since antenna wire cannot simply be switched to a HF tunernand PA by a relay. I would have massive HV problems. A separate HF receive antenna would be an option... Good idea, thanks. Ah and yes, good to gain new newcomers! :-) All in all it sounds as if you will be one of the active stations i mean active of those who CAN be active. Looking forward to some traffic! 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------010900080000090908050806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Terry,

Am 10.06.2012 23:38, schrieb Terry GW0EZY:

Stefan

 

Thanks for your interest in my LF preparations.

Yes, there are not many transmitting newcomers on the band and what you tell sounds serious.

I was lucky earlier this year to obtain a Decca 5501 (Many thanks Mal). It is now tuned to 136 kHz thanks to the very helpful and detailed notes posted on the internet by Jim M0BMU, Dave G0MRF and Mike G3XDV. The antenna is an inverted L with one end in a tree 22 m high about 90 metres from my shack with a 13 m mast.

That sounds very nice. For LF, my favorite measuring device is the tuning meter of M0BMU. Probably you know the pdf / article. It is very helpful to accurately find the resonance and match the impedance to 50 Ohm.
Do you have a good ground conductivity? At least that sounds all most promising so that i will see you on the band.

Will try to get a neighbours agreement for a 300m loop.

Vertical or horizontal? I can confirm from a test what i read about the very poor performance of horizontal loops on LF. So  better use the aerial as a wire against ground. However a vertical loop could be nice to play with. But the vertical will be much better i expect!

For loading, two large clear-plastic “mixing” buckets giving 800 mm height and 300 mm width. I should be able to get 200 turns using a combination of Litz wire (thanks Mal) and Flexweave. Not sure if it will give enough loading or what the variable tuning arrangement will be.

Well, my coil is also 300mm in diameter and i also have a inv-L antenna. But mine is "just" 70m long and i only need about 160 turns. So you will need less i think.

 

A lot of work to do before LF Txing, so it was good to have the 7 MHz X-Band QSOs this weekend with Mal on 136 and 500 kHz to give me a try at LF ops. If any other LF op can do X-Band I would like to test and there are probably other LF listeners who might like to try an X-Band test. If you can do X-Band to 40m or other HF band I’m sure you would create a lot of interest as your beacon is probably one of the first amateur signals new LFers hear.

Yes, i should consider to arrange a HF station near the LF system. But it's not so easy since antenna wire cannot simply be switched to a HF tunernand PA by a relay. I would have massive HV problems. A separate HF receive antenna would be an option...
Good idea, thanks. Ah and yes, good to gain new newcomers! :-)

All in all it sounds as if you will be one of the active stations i mean active of those who CAN be active. Looking forward to some traffic!


73, Stefan/DK7FC

--------------010900080000090908050806-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CEA14380000AD; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 18:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkjMH-00044i-0i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:08:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkjMG-00044Z-Jf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:08:08 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkjMF-0000uI-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:08:07 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.202]) by mwinf5d41 with ME id UN851j00H4MjVGq03N86nY; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:08:06 +0200 Message-ID: <8B20B0CCF1D84DCE94DABD9F36F1F745@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1341006419.32377.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1341006419.32377.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:08:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120629-2, 29/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On frequency now ........ this dual sector band is a pain in the do-nut ..... same happed to wspr when the usa split ,,, can monitor X2 , but need the second rx G.. 22:05 500 M0FMT Op4 -26 dB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: ebba021850e0a5d4120636e52401e975 Subject: Re: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01CD564C.09F38570" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440646144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fee278b5be0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CD564C.09F38570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On frequency now ........ this dual sector band is a pain in = the do-nut ..... same happed to wspr when the usa split ,,, = can monitor X2 , but need the second rx =20 G.. 22:05 500 M0FMT Op4 -26 dB 40 ft end fed vert , no tuner , skanti r5003 wide band=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:46 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG Hi All Opera now 500 RX QRG! Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF block on DDS = hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CD564C.09F38570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On  frequency  now  ........  this  =20 dual   sector  band  is  a pain  in = the =20 do-nut  .....  same  happed  to  wspr  = when =20 the  usa  split  ,,,  can  monitor  = X2  ,=20 but  need  the  second  rx 
 
G..
 

22:05 500 M0FMT Op4 -26 dB

40  ft  end  fed  vert , no  tuner , skanti=20 r5003  wide band


From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:46 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: Opera now 500 RX QRG

Hi All
 
Opera now 500 RX QRG!
 
Bread board single ended Stefan/ Rik TX with Bakofoil RF = block on DDS=20 hope most of the 30watts going up the ant!!!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CD564C.09F38570-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 177D23800009A; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sju2U-0001SG-22 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:20:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sju2T-0001S7-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:20:17 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sju2R-0005RE-NW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:20:16 +0100 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120627152014.JZSY3118.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:20:14 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120627152014.BUAL10211.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:20:14 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:20:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4FEB32BA.27983.18457B5@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <4EB9F9BF57C243B4AC853AECF32B69EE@uwePC> References: <4EB9F9BF57C243B4AC853AECF32B69EE@uwePC> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=e0LARZvofmIA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=BVVEQBnsS1oQYU9NF0kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Uwe, This is an NDB in Darlowo, Poland. See my list of frequently heard 472kHz stations at: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/500kHz/index.htm [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 4ead635eadbaebfaa92cfec77deb715d Subject: Re: LF: 475,5Kc Transmission "SA" Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:349197856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4feb24de7427 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Uwe, This is an NDB in Darlowo, Poland. See my list of frequently heard 472kHz stations at: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/500kHz/index.htm Mike, G3XDV ========== > Hi > Who is it ? > SA > > Uwe dk1kq > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9EA7738000083; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgGFi-00068x-UL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:14:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgGFi-00068o-HY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:14:54 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgGFh-00073m-0Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:14:53 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5HEEqum010446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:14:52 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5HEEqTc003432 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:14:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDDE5F5.4000307@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:13:09 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEB38.9090807@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FDCEB38.9090807@kpnmail.nl> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jan, MF, Am 16.06.2012 22:23, schrieb pa3abk: > > > FYI I have H24 solid CW QSO with g3xiz mostly S-7/8 about same > distance both using about 100W. I can hear G3XIZ very well on the Delft web sdr. It looks to me like the ground wave reaches much much wider above sea water. The effect seems to be extreme on MF, even more than on LF or VLF. Is this possible, i mean can you confirm it? Oh, that would explain why all the vessels used 500 kHz for such a long time :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: LF: MF propagation... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:335596864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61854fdde68e27c1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jan, MF, Am 16.06.2012 22:23, schrieb pa3abk: > > > FYI I have H24 solid CW QSO with g3xiz mostly S-7/8 about same > distance both using about 100W. I can hear G3XIZ very well on the Delft web sdr. It looks to me like the ground wave reaches much much wider above sea water. The effect seems to be extreme on MF, even more than on LF or VLF. Is this possible, i mean can you confirm it? Oh, that would explain why all the vessels used 500 kHz for such a long time :-) That would explain why you can hear G3XIZ H24, since you are much closer to the sea than me. Here on the land the situation looks to be quite different during the daytime... 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4798E38000090; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Satjk-0001AC-1S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:11:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Satjj-0001A3-8L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:11:43 +0100 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Satjh-0006xA-Tf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:11:42 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Jun 2012 19:11:34 -0000 Received: from p5B3951C0.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [91.57.81.192] by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 02 Jun 2012 21:11:34 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19irmVv/cBiNoZb04LOD8JS+CiUxUA0EQVoItL1e+ c6BbibmAH+U2qt Message-ID: <005601cd40f3$86b01650$1502a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: Cc: References: <005301cd3ff6$7ac46b50$ae01a8c0@youry0mkaz8jaq> <43865E95A7274277B75E2087347886B8@GaryPC> <007b01cd40a0$2a7e07a0$ae01a8c0@youry0mkaz8jaq> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:11:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: LF: Unid carriers around 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4104.4110D830" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81212 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:388072416:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fca65a615a5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD4104.4110D830 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I can hear/see three synchronous carriers,spaced about 7kHz apart on ca. 493.7, 500.7, 507.7. Duration about 4 seconds,pause, then repetition and so on. See screenshot. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete I find for a class E PA or class C with series resonant cct at frequency of interest you do not need a LPF. To resonate the PA use an Air core inductor and fixed capicator ie for 500 Khz use 5nF in series with 20uH inductor. Adjust inductor slightly up/down in value to resonate at exact freq of interest. Use an old LOPT core 8 turns Prim 24 turns Sec. The wire does not have to be Litz. Prim 2.5mm elec wire and Sec 1mm. I have used both litz and elec wire and find no difference. A couple of hours should build this type of TX [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.6 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6b82e6b293537342548040dfe5d175a5 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01CD55F8.1E393B50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:508620352:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074feda8df1d88 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CD55F8.1E393B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete I find for a class E PA or class C with series resonant cct at frequency = of interest you do not need a LPF. To resonate the PA use an Air core inductor and fixed capicator ie for = 500 Khz use 5nF in series with 20uH inductor. Adjust inductor slightly = up/down in value to resonate at exact freq of interest. Use an old LOPT = core 8 turns Prim 24 turns Sec. The wire does not have to be Litz. Prim = 2.5mm elec wire and Sec 1mm. I have used both litz and elec wire and = find no difference. A couple of hours should build this type of TX g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Rik Many thanks for your very useful information. I hope others find this = as well. Yes I said in an earlier mail what the PA and driver would cost from = E-bay (my supplier of choice... :o)) but at least they are obtainable. The current hold are the Ferrites or the Iron Dust toriods. This is = the usual problem because one black iron ring looks very much like = another. Once you have it in your hands you can do a test. What I do is = to put a few turns on an unknown core and measure the inductance then = compare the results with the theoretical value obtained from a range of = cores with the same dimensions using "Mini Core" SW. At the moment I = have a source for the T1 core but not the choke. And surprisingly I = can't find the T80-2s they were every where once upon a time. Anyway I = do have a variety of cores that will probably do for the O/P filtre. One = day I will find a design I can kit perfectly. I like your transverter, I am getting torn between projects right now. = Q6 / Q7 driver as you say can be reproduced for each FET gate cheaply in = fact I have the parts! I will now crawl into my cave and start to build. Thanks to you and = Stefan. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =20 Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012, 8:49 Subject: RE: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =20 Hello Pete, I assume that the more exotic parts are the power FET (IRFZ48N) and = the driver IC (ICL7667). The IRFZ48N is a 55V / 64A / 0.014 Ohm device. For a first try you = could replace it by far more common IRF460 that is 100V / 28A / 0.06 = Ohm. A bit of reverse engineering: Stefan states 50W output at 80% = efficiency =3D 62.5W input =3D 5.2A at 12V. So with a 28A device you are on the safe side. The larger Ron (0.06 Ohm vs 0.014 Ohm) will (in theory) reduce the = efficiency. But 5.2A in 0.014 Ohm is only about 0.4W loss (for a = IRFZ48N). For a IRF460 it is 5.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D 1.6W loss. So the losses (12.5W) are probably more due to the non perfect = switching than due to the Ron of the FETs. An alternative for the ICL7667 is a TC4426 or a homebrew driver (see = http://www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif/im= ages/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk] Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012 20:41 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Stefan I like this and would like to make to make it. I so far have tracked = down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many construction = projects that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no = chance of that I suppose? There will be those who tell me its easy to get the bits but unless = you work for a company that uses this stuff it can not be slipped = through the "Purchasing" it becomes a positive stop!!=20 Like the Litz I just put that in one of our big outfits with min = orders and it said it had over one hundred thousand Litz and promptly = collapsed. But they have one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min = order either double wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125 Cu/En? Hmm = it's plaited ? Wima caps are available from Maplin haven't checked in depth but they = usually are. I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a master osc source = div. by four. Generally I buy my power FETs by the hand full off E-bay they may not = be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer 60Ec) (Never mind the quality but feel = the width... principle) and the drivers TC range for slightly more. I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a kitting list (UK = source) may be they could publish it?=20 And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" but in context it is = new and worth while thanks! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 16:53 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi MF,=20 Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: = https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png (picture of = prototype = https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.= JPG) Most of the parts are not critical.=20 The ferrite cores are the blue EPCOS types, N30 material. Details are = in the image. But you may use a FT140-77 alternatively and double the = primary and secondary number of turns. There are many alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N = you may try a IRF1405. This one has a lower on-resistance but a higher = input capacity. Maybe it works even better, i didn't try to many parts. = Switching times are not critical. So you need to find a compromise = between low on resistance and input capacity while the Drain-Source = voltage should be 55V for a 12V supply. Instead of RF litz wire (i use this one: = http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D57206;SEARCH=3DCLI= %20200%2F30 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better = 5x0.4mm or what you have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less. The overall dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it = is quite compact and since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for = /p tests. Also you can of course use more than 2 power steps by using a = multi step switch and more taps. A DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal = coming from a HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as = the peak input voltage exceeds 5 Vp. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Yes, it is nothing new and someone has done it before! Am 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT:=20 Hi again Stefan The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@(( Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be = stranded up to make a synth? =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hi Stefan = http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/160818253= 496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8 Just over =C2=A35 a pop! = http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-= 8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326= 077 Just over =C2=A36 a pop! But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite? = =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0) Chees Pete FMT From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Hello Stephan , Me too=20 73 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ =20 Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3=A9crit : Hi Stephan Me Too 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12 Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC like ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind = into a schematic as a png file. Always interested ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CD55F8.1E393B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Pete
I find for a class E PA or class C with series = resonant=20 cct at frequency of interest you do not need a LPF.
To resonate the PA use an Air core inductor and = fixed=20 capicator ie for 500 Khz use 5nF in series with 20uH inductor. Adjust = inductor=20 slightly up/down in value to resonate at exact freq of interest. Use an = old LOPT=20 core 8 turns Prim 24 turns Sec. The wire does not have to be Litz. Prim = 2.5mm=20 elec wire and Sec 1mm. I have used both litz and elec wire and find no=20 difference.
A couple of hours should build this type of=20 TX
 
g3kev
 
 
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From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 = 11:31=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 = kHz PA=20 running at 12 VDC

Hi Rik
 
Many thanks for your very useful information. I hope others = find=20 this as well.
Yes I said in an earlier mail what the PA and driver would = cost=20 from E-bay (my supplier of choice... :o)) but at least they are=20 obtainable.
 
The current hold are the Ferrites or the Iron Dust = toriods.=20 This is the usual problem because one black iron ring looks very much = like=20 another. Once you have it in your hands you can do a test. What I do = is to put=20 a few turns on an unknown core and measure the inductance then compare = the=20 results with the theoretical value obtained from a range of cores with = the=20 same dimensions using "Mini Core" SW. At the moment I have a = source for the T1 core but not the choke. And = surprisingly=20 I can't find the T80-2s they were every where once upon a time. Anyway = I do=20 have a variety of cores that will probably do for the O/P filtre. = One day=20 I will find a design I  can kit perfectly.
 
I like your transverter, I am getting torn between projects = right=20 now. Q6 / Q7 driver as you say can be reproduced for each FET gate = cheaply in=20 fact I have the parts!
 
I will now crawl into my cave and start to build. Thanks to you = and=20 Stefan.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Rik=20 Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: = "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, 29 June 2012,=20 8:49
Subject: RE: = LF: Re: RE:=20 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
 

Hello Pete,
 
I assume that the more exotic parts are the = power FET (IRFZ48N) and the driver IC=20 (ICL7667).
The IRFZ48N = is a 55V / 64A / 0.014 Ohm=20 device. For a first try you could replace it by far = more common IRF460 that = is 100V / 28A / 0.06=20 Ohm.
A bit of reverse=20 engineering: Stefan states 50W output at 80% efficiency =3D 62.5W input =3D 5.2A at 12V.
So with = a 28A device you are on the = safe side.
The larger = Ron (0.06=20 Ohm vs 0.014 Ohm) will (in theory) reduce the efficiency. But 5.2A in 0.014 = Ohm=20 is only about 0.4W loss = (for a IRFZ48N). For = a IRF460 it = is 5.2A in 0.06 Ohm =3D 1.6W=20 loss.
So the losses (12.5W) are probably=20 more due to the non = perfect switching than due to the Ron of the FETs.
An alternative for the ICL7667 is=20 a TC4426 or=20 a homebrew driver (see http://www.pa3bca.nl/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transver= ter_full.gif/images/stories/500KHz/500khz_transverter_full.gif).
 
73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T
 
Van: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT=20 [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk]
Verzonden: donderdag 28 juni 2012=20 20:41
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: = Re: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
 
I like this and would like to make to make = it. I so=20 far have tracked down most bits but as usual the Unobtainium of so many construction = projects=20 that fall at the last hurdle unless they are Kits........ no chance of = that I=20 suppose?
 
There will be those who tell me its easy to = get the=20 bits but unless you work for a company that uses this stuff it = can not be=20 slipped through the "Purchasing" it becomes a positive stop!!=20
Like the Litz I just put that in one of our = big=20 outfits with min orders and it said it had over one hundred thousand = Litz and = promptly=20 collapsed. But = they have=20 one of the toroids (T1) wow and its not a min = order=20 either double wow! Litz can be fabricated from 0.125=20 Cu/En?  Hmm=20 it's plaited ?
Wima caps are available from Maplin = haven't checked=20 in depth but they usually are.
 
I like the idea of using a DDS or Transceiver as a = master osc = source div. by=20 four.
 
Generally I buy my power FETs by = the hand full=20 off E-bay they may not be ideal but are cheap!! 50P (eer = 60Ec) = (Never mind the=20 quality but feel the width... principle) and the drivers TC range = for=20 slightly more.
 
I'll keep searching for a bit but if anyone has a = kitting=20 list (UK source) may be they could publish it? 
 
And thanks Stefan nothing under the Sun is "New" = but in=20 context it is new and worth while thanks!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, 28 = June=20 2012, 16:53
Subject: Re: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi MF,=20

Late at night, i made draw the schematic. Here it is: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.pn= g =20 (picture of prototype https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20P= A%2015W%2B100W.JPG)

Most=20 of the parts are not critical.

The ferrite cores are the blue = EPCOS = types, N30=20 material. Details are in the image. But you may use a FT140-77 = alternatively=20 and double the primary and secondary number of turns.

There are = many=20 alternatives, also to the FETs. Instead of the IRZF48N = you may try a=20 IRF1405. This=20 one has a lower on-resistance but a higher input capacity. Maybe it = works even=20 better, i didn't try to many parts. Switching times are not critical. = So you=20 need to find a compromise between low on resistance and input capacity = while=20 the Drain-Source voltage should be 55V for a 12V = supply.

Instead of RF=20 litz wire (i=20 use this one: http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3D3;ARTICLE=3D572= 06;SEARCH=3DCLI%20200%2F30=20 ) you can also use 1mm diam. enamel. Cu wire or better 5x0.4mm or what = you=20 have. It just affects the efficiency, more or less.

The overall = dimensions of this prototype are 15cm x 10cm x 3cm, so it is quite = compact and=20 since it runs from a 12V battery you can use it for /p tests. Also you = can of=20 course use more than 2 power steps by using a multi step switch and more = taps.

A=20 DDS signal generator with rectangular wave form or a sine signal = coming from a=20 HF TX may be used. The waveform doesn't matter as long as the peak = input=20 voltage exceeds 5 Vp.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Yes, it=20 is nothing new and someone has done it = before!






Am=20 28.06.2012 11:46, schrieb M0FMT:=20
Hi again Stefan
 
The Litz is too, only by the Km or = 10Kg=20 reel.......... :@((
 
Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could = be=20 stranded up to make a synth?

 
73 es GL=20 Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
<= SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20 mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, = 28 June=20 2012, 10:22
Subject: Re:=20 LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hi Stefan
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/= 160818253496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Dite= m257183ceb8
Just over =C2=A35 a pop!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-= DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3D= item256f326077
Just over =C2=A36 a pop!
But what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D = ferrite?  =20 =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0)
Chees Pete = FMT
   From: Jean-Pierre = M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Thursday, = 28 June=20 2012, 9:42
Subject: Re: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

Hello Stephan ,
Me too
73  , Jean-Pierre = F1AFJ =20



Le 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT = a=20 =C3=A9crit :
Hi Stephan
 
Me Too

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: = Thursday, 28 June=20 2012, 9:12
Subject: LF:=20 Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

like
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe =
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM
Subject:=20 LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

If someone = is interested=20 i may convert the=20 circuit from my mind into a schematic as = a png=20 file.
 
Always interested = ;-)
 
73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 = OR7T






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Set-up  is  running  = fine  with=20 the up-dated  eK4  driver.
 
Frequency off set on 145 MHz is round  6Khz
 
Q Is there a  calibration procedure to  null out = this =20 off  set??
 
I see  there is a  correction window in  HDSDR , = but =20 is this  correction  going  to  hold over the = tuning =20 range ?
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Rik, It wasn't my idea to call it 630m band. But i find the name useful. You also say 160m band and not 200m band. And you say 2200m band, not 2 km band. I think 2 significant numbers and 0 are correct. Like the code on resistors which is red red black black for a 2.2 kOhm resistor for example. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: a6b6ffaf48fdddf1ed5c25dc4bf03ee1 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 630m band Wikipedia site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:419154944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a4fe590cb3ff5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror Hi Rik, It wasn't my idea to call it 630m band. But i find the name useful. You=20 also say 160m band and not 200m band. And you say 2200m band, not 2 km=20 band. I think 2 significant numbers and 0 are correct. Like the code on=20 resistors which is red red black black for a 2.2 kOhm resistor for exampl= e. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 23.06.2012 11:21, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > Stefan, all, > > why 630m band ? > Of course I know 600m =3D 500kHz, but we (hams) always tend to use roun= d number, eg: > 7MHz =3D 40m band and not 42m band (40m wavelenght =3D 7.5MHz). > The only HF band where the wavelenght given to it really falls inside t= he ham band is 80m (3,75MHz). > Let's just call it 600m ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: zaterdag 23 juni 2012 1:34 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: 630m band Wikipedia site > > MF, > > I just found a 630m band Wikipedia site in German, English and French > language: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/630-Meter-Band > > Google says the site i 4 days old :-) > Even a band plan is shown which seems to be preliminary... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 61DDC38000087; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SanTO-0006mI-TY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:30:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SanTO-0006m9-Bo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:30:26 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SanTM-0005NB-Ny for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:30:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d10 with ME id HQWP1j0070Lx2rm03QWPvX; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:30:24 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <3D4B0B405E7D41FEBDD5A548EB7DFF8A@AGB> In-Reply-To: <3D4B0B405E7D41FEBDD5A548EB7DFF8A@AGB> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:30:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Should decode with 2 watts ? G. 12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4998b3eda037fec4e885bebc9a2db934 Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD40C3.DD027AA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459449664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fca079519d6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD40C3.DD027AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Should decode with 2 watts ?=20 G. 12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB 11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial So far , so good ! G.. 11:54 500 M0FMT de M0FMT Op4 0 mi +6 dB in HITCHIN with 0w + LW up 35ft 11:54 500 M0FMT de PA0A Op4 288 mi -20 dB in Lucaswolde with 0w + LW up = 35ft 11:54 500 M0FMT de G4WGT Op4 149 mi -27 dB in IO83qo, nr Preston. with = 0w + LW u 11:54 500 M0FMT de G0NBD Op4 153 mi -27 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 deg = NO R From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:21 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD40C3.DD027AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Should  decode  with  2  watts  ? =
 
G.

12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB

12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB

11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:57 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

So far , so good !
 
G..

11:54 500 M0FMT de M0FMT Op4 0 mi +6 dB in HITCHIN with 0w + LW up = 35ft

11:54 500 M0FMT de PA0A Op4 288 mi -20 dB in Lucaswolde with 0w + LW = up=20 35ft

11:54 500 M0FMT de G4WGT Op4 149 mi -27 dB in IO83qo, nr Preston. = with 0w +=20 LW u

11:54 500 M0FMT de G0NBD Op4 153 mi -27 dB in Nr Liverpool beam 040 = deg NO=20 R

 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:21 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CD40C3.DD027AA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 163CD38000098; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scd9X-00020n-Fs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:53:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scd9W-00020e-O8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:53:30 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scd9U-00020u-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:53:29 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsFALyx0E9cHYyS/2dsb2JhbAArGoVOmHEDlV2BCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDFjMCDxcGAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKIQICFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBhgCBbAMGCQcppWOJEROJSIsdhHqBEgONPYhyiWeFAYJggVYFBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,731,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="374667930" Received: from host-92-29-140-146.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.146]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 07 Jun 2012 14:53:25 +0100 Message-ID: <001101cd44b4$e7635060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:53:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: There are several countries in EU active on 500 Khz CW at present. The info has been posted in the past when countries became active. Check the reflector daily for more info. G, GI, EA. ON, SQ, EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, LA OZ, 9H, PA0, S52, DL4, YO, OH, That is all that I remember working so far but maybe i have missed some, must check my log. These stations are all active on normal CW from around EU and there are others worldwide like W and VE plus others. de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e2b7e65dcf7cf6551ab81105a525fe0f Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD44B4.E7207B00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498564800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fd0b2967798 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD44B4.E7207B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are several countries in EU active on 500 Khz CW at present. The info has been posted in the past when countries became active. = Check the reflector daily for more info. G, GI, EA. ON, SQ, EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, LA OZ, 9H, PA0, S52, DL4, YO, = OH,=20 That is all that I remember working so far but maybe i have missed some, = must check my log. These stations are all active on normal CW from = around EU and there are others worldwide like W and VE plus others. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: manginbenoit.pro=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) granting = MF access to the amateur service so fast ? We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our = tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. 73 Ben=20 > Message du 07/06/12 13:16 > De : "mal hamilton"=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > Stefan > I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also EI0CF many = times during > the winter months. > I work QSO mode only and no beacons. > I have also had some QSO'S with Russian stations, they call me on = 7033 and I > reply on 502 normally although I have vfo control. > I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 but not SLOWER > When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will end next = January > Mal/g3kev >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > To:=20 > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz >=20 >=20 > > Hi Joe, LF, > > > > Yes, we're here of course :-) > > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made = and vy > > narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. > > BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to = them when > > the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an = extended > > frequency range then or will you have to QSY? > > And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA = detection? > > Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km = distance? > > It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, = however > > with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a = problem... > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: > > > > > > Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... > > > > > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and > > > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. > > > > > > 73 > > > Joe VO1NA > > > > > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and = conditions at > > > > = http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.p= hp > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD44B4.E7207B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
There are several countries in EU active on 500 = Khz CW at=20 present.
The info has been posted in the past  when = countries=20 became active. Check the reflector daily for more info.
G, GI,  EA. ON, SQ, EI, I1, OK, OM, SM, LA = OZ, 9H,=20 PA0, S52, DL4, YO, OH,
That is all that I remember working so far but = maybe i=20 have missed some, must check my log. These stations are all active on = normal CW=20 from around EU and there are others worldwide like W and VE plus=20 others.
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 manginbenoit.pro =
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 = 11:49=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 = kHz

Are there other EU countries (apart from the British = Isles)=20 granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ?

We in = France=20 still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our tutelage = administration.=20 Or maybe am I not well=20 informed.

73

Ben 




>=20 Message du 07/06/12 13:16
> De : "mal hamilton"
> A : = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
>=20 Copie =C3=A0 :
> Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 = kHz
>
>=20 Stefan
> I have had QSO's on 500 Khz across the Atlantic also = EI0CF=20 many times during
> the winter months.
> I work QSO mode = only=20 and no beacons.
> I have also had some QSO'S with Russian = stations,=20 they call me on 7033 and I
> reply on 502 normally although I = have vfo=20 control.
> I work on CW and if condx get difficult I work QRS3 = but not=20 SLOWER
> When the new band starts the old 500 khz band will = end next=20 January
> Mal/g3kev
>
>
> ----- Original = Message=20 -----
> From: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"
> To:
> = Sent: Thursday,=20 June 07, 2012 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 = kHz
>=20
>
> > Hi Joe, LF,
> >
> > Yes, = we're here=20 of course :-)
> > Unfortunately i still cannot receive on = MF. My RX=20 is home made and vy
> > narrow band. But i'm going to have = a=20 suitable RX in some time.
> > BTW, what about all the 500 = kHz=20 allocations. What happens to them when
> > the new 475 kHz = band=20 becomes permitted? Will you have an extended
> > frequency = range=20 then or will you have to QSY?
> > And what about the = chances of=20 this band? How easy is a TA detection?
> > Would it be = possible to=20 have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance?
> > It would be = possible=20 for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however
> > with a = 1W=20 (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem...
>=20 >
> > 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> >
> >
> = > Am=20 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:
> > >
> = > >=20 Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa....
> > = >
>=20 > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID = and
>=20 > > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed.
> >=20 >
> > > 73
> > > Joe VO1NA
> >=20 >
> > > This electronic communication is governed by = the=20 terms and conditions at
> > >
>=20 = http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.p= hp
>=20 > >
> >
>
>
>=20
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CD44B4.E7207B00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0E5D838000088; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 04:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiLNV-00018k-O3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:07:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiLNV-00018b-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:07:33 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiLNT-0004wr-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:07:32 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEKAFZ45U9cHnaZ/2dsb2JhbABFtDsDgSmBCIITBQEBBQgBAQMlASMCLAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfrlsizCBE4FTgxwDjUqXY4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,463,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="390715504" Received: from host-92-30-118-153.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.118.153]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Jun 2012 09:07:30 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01cd5117$3b4b9840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE4E966.6060703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE4EDA1.1050809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 08:07:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan Will join in when I get time. At this time of year I am very busy outside also holidays. LF is also good at this time of year not only in winter. MF is also good in summer although there is more static about but manageable. Middle of the night is good for DX You are doing well with the DX 73 es gl de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: Re: LF: RN3AUS grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:518254048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad14fe5798f0bc4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan Will join in when I get time. At this time of year I am very busy outside also holidays. LF is also good at this time of year not only in winter. MF is also good in summer although there is more static about but manageable. Middle of the night is good for DX You are doing well with the DX 73 es gl de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: RN3AUS grabber Mal, Join in!! Summer acty in the motto of the evening! The sunshine time cannot be longer in the year. This is good for local LF propagation :-) Am 22.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Stefan Schfer: > Hi Alex, > > I just started the TX. Can you transmit as well? > Looking forward to see some traces, hopefully i'm coming through... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 85BAA38000085; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBG5-0007q3-Ln for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:54:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBG5-0007pu-5u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:54:17 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbBG3-0001WQ-Me for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:54:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p548D15DC.dip.t-dialin.net [84.141.21.220]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LaU9f-1S8wzS2KlD-00lyB0; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:54:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB6C85.8060809@legal-medicine.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:54:13 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><4FCB4FAE.5070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <005301cd4186$b18cf300$1502a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <005301cd4186$b18cf300$1502a8c0@Clemens04> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:bL61fciTeAY44hUi4MsX2oZm7wZ1Aasyp4m4hpMNTfW iQGidNjDqwP2sdTbVHSTiislS8OqRWpkvlfAAGhCYJWyw6CfWZ xY35Wi/QS3h9x3M8WvoOmwQs+0T7zAKl56woDWZCSU/kRkQaz4 pxDwnEil2P1DJabEoKPgwJL9aiVM75BjiJ7UPxGhe83py1XxTS P/6HCJXqVjokAc1qfiJryath5CecFGyNw4grFaD4QbMkAcKv7f XroTJBwEqLxNx9q4il1YbTT7R9NCX8PDZ08gtPrhMukL4vd6WM HdROKKkwY7FwdnXpX9PxwCS9z0aUuuH/5mh/F2pRvG2dgPlF7Y rFh4S82isgwASzoi+uZoNs+VUSpFmJQKkw98hx72D X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Clemens, You wrote: > ... > Actually it would seem typically German to rehash arguments ad infinitum > but nothing changes. > The change has been made,"fertig". >... Actually it would seem typically German to ignore arguments ad nauseam. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:357766496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064fcb6cbf1a3c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Clemens, You wrote: > ... > Actually it would seem typically German to rehash arguments ad infinitum > but nothing changes. > The change has been made,"fertig". >... Actually it would seem typically German to ignore arguments ad nauseam. In other words: I never saw any "advantages" or "new features" there at Yapoo which I cannot do better under my own control. At Yapoo we cannot say to robots: "User-agent: *; Disallow: /" I'm claiming for the right which of my postings and image links are being "googleable" or not. Can you guarantee this at Yapoo? What next? Fiesbook? "Like-Button", "Dislike-Button"? Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DE10F380026BD; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh2o8-0004yx-1Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:05:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh2o7-0004yo-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:05:39 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh2o4-0005SN-I1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:05:38 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAIy+4E9cHY3C/2dsb2JhbABFtWmBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDBA0EAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd+uXGLL4J+gxsDiBCFNJdegmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,438,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="376348715" Received: from host-92-29-141-194.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.141.194]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 19:05:34 +0100 Message-ID: <008a01cd4e46$1eaace00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:05:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Everything is made of straw !!!! even my HAT made in Malaya, designer label 9M2CC Is there another material ???????? G3KEV/9M2CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.2 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01CD4E46.1E4B6FF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453978656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4fe0bfb61a1d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01CD4E46.1E4B6FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Everything is made of straw !!!! even my HAT made in Malaya, designer = label 9M2CC Is there another material ???????? =20 G3KEV/9M2CC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw??? 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01CD4E46.1E4B6FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Everything is made of straw !!!! even my HAT = made in=20 Malaya, designer label 9M2CC  Is there another material=20  ???????? 
G3KEV/9M2CC
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 5:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay = 034

Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of=20 straw???

73, Stefan

Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal = hamilton:=20
Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST
 
g3kev
------=_NextPart_000_0087_01CD4E46.1E4B6FF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0A1573800009B; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si22O-00057x-TS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:28:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si22O-00057o-Fm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:28:28 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si22M-0003Xe-N8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:28:27 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.16]) by mwinf5d26 with ME id RPUR1j0030LrbAy03PUR2p; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:28:26 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4388E8F39C5@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> <1340272951.77171.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <004001cd5068$9d123750$d736a5f0$@com> In-Reply-To: <004001cd5068$9d123750$d736a5f0$@com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:28:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120622-0, 22/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes I noticed the qrk is starting to increase .... G. From: Terry GW0EZY Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Newsky DVB-T dongle [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f9f85a03ab18710b130c40acc03380f0 Subject: Re: LF: Newsky DVB-T dongle Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD5072.84F401D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425552480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4fe457121ac0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD5072.84F401D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I noticed the qrk is starting to increase .... G. From: Terry GW0EZY=20 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Newsky DVB-T dongle I see someone in Northampton UK is selling on eBay the Newsky DVB-T = dongle + SDR software for 21.50 GBP inc shipping. The same dongle is = also available on eBay for less than 14 GBP including shipping. You can = download all the SDR software for free (including how-to-set-up videos) = from the links supplied by Pete M0FMT. =20 73 Terry GW0EZY =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CD5072.84F401D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes  I noticed  the  qrk  is   = starting =20 to  increase  ....
 
G.

Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:17 PM
Subject: LF: Newsky DVB-T dongle

I=20 see someone in Northampton UK is selling on eBay the Newsky DVB-T dongle = + SDR=20 software for 21.50 GBP inc shipping. The same dongle is also available = on eBay=20 for less than 14 GBP including shipping. You can download all the SDR = software=20 for free (including how-to-set-up videos) from the links supplied by = Pete=20 M0FMT.

 

73=20 Terry  GW0EZY

 

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Content preview: Thanks Gary Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Gary G4WGT Verzonden: vrijdag 8 juni 2012 19:54 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.134.42.55 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 87966b345956c8ef3389b993f6a18f4e Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:418111200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fd243b53d12 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thanks Gary Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Gary G4WGT Verzonden: vrijdag 8 juni 2012 19:54 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity Hi Victor, This should do it, ROS & Opera here. http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ 73, Gary - G4WGT. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E72B1380000C2; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SinTo-0005xB-9t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:07:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SinTn-0005wp-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:07:55 +0100 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SinTm-00020g-7I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:07:54 +0100 Received: by wejx9 with SMTP id x9so4380327wej.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:07:53 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=R7MXQ2N7/od3NzCcJleVzciTJaj4+GrnEmurKvKwFwA=; b=By3QUkA+P1Gow1IxMGbStouFiZgi8YMWcSNBtwMFcr0bpM75EnMV+BAI6fTeO8RUOB J0DOz4VK/E4lEYWttVnkpA4mCWQWCn3oeGmCrDI0VvnOPRPG7SrIifqrPcmDj5azHnk2 NgsvbWBMeZ58GwKGxPtME5bMN5vp75qeC1cHlRvnlqZC0N4x5EHHgIZqEYAZjX6z3JCu Iq0zFm3ptCqy4Ay47tuVtHmCS5tk4q8UAStYFXO6hey0xlNi/l1hL0z53twjISnOi/RE lmoIAvuLyDOGcywmfBiz9B2+bU8Hk2V5LfxamnSZnAvHM+eivYvuOmJgNHh3D6dC1buR Qxtg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.144.139 with SMTP id n11mr4306485wej.30.1340546873670; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:07:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04> References: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:07:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hi Clemens, Interesting site, thanks for the link! 73 Warren On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Clemens Paul wrote: > Hi Warren, > > perhaps you might might find something suitable there: > http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm > > They have - among other stuff - split stator cap. kits up to > 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). > > You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator > capacitor, > so you maybe could realize other values. > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: "rsgb_lf_group" > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM > Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? > > > Hello the list, > Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester > which now has taken over Jackson Bros? > I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced > link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > ----- > E-Mail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5088 - Ausgabedatum: 23.06.2012 > > > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 8556389a5ea14fbbf9b9d801ab70c592 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:504899424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d259.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fe71f64188c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Clemens, Interesting site, thanks for the link! 73 Warren On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Clemens Paul wrote: > Hi Warren, > > perhaps you might might find something suitable there: > http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm > > They have - among other stuff - =A0split stator cap. kits up to > 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). > > You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator > capacitor, > so you maybe could realize other values. > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: "rsgb_lf_group" > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM > Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? > > > Hello the list, > =A0Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester > which now has taken over Jackson Bros? > I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced > link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > ----- > E-Mail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5088 - Ausgabedatum: 23.06.20= 12 > > > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ABD28380000A8; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjb1O-0006vD-Ji for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:01:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjb1O-0006v4-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:01:54 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjb1M-0000Bc-Np for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:01:53 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjQOAJkG6k9cF/VA/2dsb2JhbABEg0GdEQOULgOBLoEIghMUAQEDSQIsAggCAQYBHTkBBBoGHAgdAQICAQGHfpd1oXCMEDKEeQOIF4U2l2iCXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,480,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="39924554" Received: from host-92-23-245-64.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.245.64]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2012 20:01:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:01:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on this band I can hear ur CQ on 472.5 de mal/g3kev I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on this band [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: LF: oz7foc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD53CE.22FBAD20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:340648192:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41094fea078363d9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD53CE.22FBAD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to be listening on this band I can hear ur CQ on 472.5=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD53CE.22FBAD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am calling you on 502 but you do not seem to = be=20 listening on this band
I can hear ur CQ on 472.5
 
 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD53CE.22FBAD20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5370738000091; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShzZc-0004RR-Aj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:50:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShzZb-0004RI-Uc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:50:35 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShzZa-0001hH-GM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:50:34 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkAKAJUx5E9cF/ZW/2dsb2JhbABFoBYDlBwDgSmBCIITFAEBA0kCIQsCCAIBBgECGzkBBBoGJB0BAgIBAYd+ujCLfoUyA4gUhTaXY4Jf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,457,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542698716" Received: from host-92-23-246-86.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.246.86]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 2012 09:50:16 +0100 Message-ID: <001001cd5054$0b06c380$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:50:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: SA beacon strong this morning between 472/479. but no amateur acty. SA not hrd yesterday de mal/g3kev SA beacon strong this morning between 472/479. but no amateur acty. SA not hrd yesterday [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: LF: SA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD5054.0AA76570" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:199354816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fe4322b2e39 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD5054.0AA76570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SA beacon strong this morning between 472/479. but no amateur acty. SA = not hrd yesterday de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD5054.0AA76570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
SA beacon strong this morning between = 472/479.  but=20 no amateur acty. SA not hrd yesterday
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD5054.0AA76570-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EFA3638000093; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si1rr-000500-EL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:17:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si1rq-0004zr-VP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:17:34 +0100 Received: from mail-ey0-f171.google.com ([209.85.215.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si1rp-0003Oy-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:17:33 +0100 Received: by eaaa12 with SMTP id a12so937755eaa.16 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :x-gm-message-state; bh=Vu4iNYPUivhsgejOInTJ6NEqbF1hral6mO4p/XNfkhg=; b=fdP0sRjqV3Yrank3xHXGvAKjTAw+p34PX8sIq4EzBpLjmp9e3mpjQfawYE8GMaZdUg rBw0HDMAFHJIRpKsHq4DcDdq8EbeZz8xPF5s2QnfwLrtpy3ku1YSmCWSEf3iy9mm4Wlv Wus1vRmY278fnu6IlD46x56ttIBNG4uofVWaC2IHUj7lmVih02sinB2I6xz09jEJQ15T iQh7VdscADweS7Tz8rqcbuOmhDkdi9idCA9fRn45+NRNziyHmm4okeSdpVFyChp9aQm2 qpZqR/wopTM5h8WLUSBBXTHvUVTt+WTRPdtqHiA7Sjyl7yif2O2R36dPnuy0LHBoD3x7 DNEA== Received: by 10.14.188.140 with SMTP id a12mr351887een.25.1340363851819; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.188.140 with SMTP id a12mr351883een.25.1340363851620; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Win7Pro (host81-132-147-218.range81-132.btcentralplus.com. [81.132.147.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y12sm111797403eem.7.2012.06.22.04.17.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry GW0EZY To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4388E8F39C5@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> <1340272951.77171.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340272951.77171.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:17:28 +0100 Message-ID: <004001cd5068$9d123750$d736a5f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1PlXhDZS2Xd6ZfS52QPRhXba+BhgA0eDuw Content-Language: en-gb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnJ6g/ZGv1g8e/SYEbJxCBXnFZ4AbCRHrKB0NI719qk8vZzwQgdwBPGFoTKhDrbPd94EbPtl16bCDGndL/pvArROaoe0SgfrCZZkGxek7uNAixgScUZQl8glxchQiK0iqS40awPzaNiXtr1l+qNQoIWosA8I9KKH07u2VFW/MuYCw+ZTY8= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I see someone in Northampton UK is selling on eBay the Newsky DVB-T dongle + SDR software for 21.50 GBP inc shipping. The same dongle is also available on eBay for less than 14 GBP including shipping. You can download all the SDR software for free (including how-to-set-up videos) from the links supplied by Pete M0FMT. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.215.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e5f33499c82e559d1cf2f25253946608 Subject: LF: Newsky DVB-T dongle Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5070.FED69F50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:288097984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d302.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64fe454840a16 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5070.FED69F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see someone in Northampton UK is selling on eBay the Newsky DVB-T = dongle + SDR software for 21.50 GBP inc shipping. The same dongle is = also available on eBay for less than 14 GBP including shipping. You can = download all the SDR software for free (including how-to-set-up videos) = from the links supplied by Pete M0FMT. =20 73 Terry GW0EZY =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5070.FED69F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I see someone in Northampton UK is selling on eBay the Newsky DVB-T = dongle + SDR software for 21.50 GBP inc shipping. The same dongle is = also available on eBay for less than 14 GBP including shipping. You can = download all the SDR software for free (including how-to-set-up videos) = from the links supplied by Pete M0FMT.

 

73 Terry =C2=A0GW0EZY

 

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01CD5070.FED69F50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C3754380000A7; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlOn-0000kz-GI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:42:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlOm-0000kq-RK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:42:28 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShlOk-0001XC-4R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:42:27 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAERc409cHYJ5/2dsb2JhbAArGoJFgxOaLgOVSYEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMWJg0CJgYBAQMFAgEBAhEEAQEKIQICFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBCgSHXgMGCQcppnCTAIpLY4ULgRIDjUiSZAOEfIJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,452,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395641059" Received: from host-92-29-130-121.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.130.121]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2012 18:42:23 +0100 Message-ID: <00d401cd4fd5$373745d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <00c801cd4fcd$164011c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:42:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ps My cardbus is a Freecom TV and radio receiver but I cannot find any spec for it anywhere. Freq range etc It would be interesting to see how far down it actually went in freq, or even how far up. I could build a suitable up converter to cover LF/MF De mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: b266e01efe570cc7cc73d9fd75b218c3 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D1_01CD4FD5.36F49780" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444680640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fe35d4720d7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01CD4FD5.36F49780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ps My cardbus is a Freecom TV and radio receiver but I cannot find any spec = for it anywhere. Freq range etc It would be interesting to see how far down it actually went in freq, or = even how far up. I could build a suitable up converter to cover LF/MF De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Pete I have a DVB-T cardbus and I expect this would also work maybe better = than the usb stick. Do not know what the chipset is de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long = they will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app = and ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with = RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from = UK source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter = 60meg O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator = 5v into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no = sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the = USB supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 = http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR = software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the = programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting = software for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to = get started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link = to sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a = regular transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time = to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01CD4FD5.36F49780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
ps
My cardbus is a Freecom TV and radio receiver = but I cannot=20 find any spec for it  anywhere. Freq range etc
It would be interesting to see how far down it = actually=20 went in freq, or even how far up. I could build a suitable up converter = to cover=20 LF/MF
De mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 4:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

Pete
I have a DVB-T cardbus and I expect this would = also work=20 maybe better than the usb stick. Do not know what the chipset = is
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, = 2012 6:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

Hi=20 all
Save=20 those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around.=20 Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP = DLL using=20  ultra-cheap=20 Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB = stick.
These=20 DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK = source and cover=20 about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the = cheap way=20 or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or = similar=20 block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC = to UHF=20 coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.=20
Oh=20 and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with=20 record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough=20 all your local FM BC as well.  Not a lot of people know=20 that!
URLs=20 apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
https://= www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6dd= o/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You=20 won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. = :0)
Yy=20 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, = 20 June=20 2012, 18:40
Subject: Re:=20 LF: SDR programs

Hi Piotr,

Thanks for the = overview of programs. That's what i searched for.
But maybe i = have=20 expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for = a mono=20 input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on = usable=20 for both, IQ and mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL = teachers (Wolf=20 or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would = prefer=20 that i think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi Stefan,=20 LF
>
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The = primary=20 supporting software for all their sdr  hardware is = Spectravue.
>=20 you can download this program from the rfspace site:
> =
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult=20 to get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it = you=20 will like it:)
>
> on a "support" page of = www.rfspace.com =20 you will also find a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
>
>  = they have=20 a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular transceiver = front=20 side
>  It has many many different options - of course, = it does=20 take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather = easy..
>=20
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and=20 easy to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr = software supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such = collection=20 of sdr programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                =  =20                   =    =20                   =    =20           yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
> =
>=20 qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
>
>=20 =



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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, You should buy a loong CAT5 cable (twisted pairs) and feed the speaker and key lines outside to the BBQ! Then you can call CQ and rotate the suckling pig to the same time! 100m cable length should be no problem, although the rise time of the CW impulses could be a bit longer due to the cable C ;-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: a44b221381f32eba3e5127fadf77bc3d Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050201000804050308040609" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:483383200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41094fe73324176e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050201000804050308040609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5OFVx4Q001901 Mal, You should buy a loong CAT5 cable (twisted pairs) and feed the speaker=20 and key lines outside to the BBQ! Then you can call CQ and rotate the=20 suckling pig to the same time! 100m cable length should be no problem,=20 although the rise time of the CW impulses could be a bit longer due to=20 the cable C ;-) 73, Stefan Am 24.06.2012 17:20, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > I only work LF and MF CW around EU and only use QRSS for DX when=20 > necessary. > I also get many private emails about activities on LF/MF from those=20 > who do not want to be reflector members and there are PLENTY > I get more reports and comments privately than via the reflector. > There were 3 stations active this morning on MF and NONE are reflector=20 > members !!! I have worked them many times on cw > This is a busy time of year for me outside also BBQ'S etc but the wx=20 > has been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ yesterday evening. > The Moscow grabber is useful and I was visible early last nite around=20 > 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening up. > later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 for me but I went QRT=20 > getting too late and I am always in the shack when the TX is on > always hoping for a QSO > NO Beacon > 73 de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: QUIET LF > > > Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton: >> At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but >> few are listening or transmitting. > I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these > days i think... > >> even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off > My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for you, sri ;-) > >> Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have >> advantages. >> Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all >> of Germany would be calling. > I'm not in Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, > like in the last evenings. > > BTW i got several reports by email from people who aren't member > of the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for > home constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many > newcomers on the band. We have to supply them by beeing QSO > partners so stay tuned.. > I'm going to play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to > become a full size dipole for 630m :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > >> de mal/g3kev > --------------050201000804050308040609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal,

You should  buy a loong CAT5 cable (twisted pairs) and feed the speaker and key lines outside to the BBQ! Then you can call CQ and rotate the suckling pig to the same time! 100m cable length should be no problem, although the rise time of the CW impulses could be a bit longer due to the cable C ;-)

73, Stefan

Am 24.06.2012 17:20, schrieb mal hamilton:
Stefan
I only work LF and MF CW around EU and only use QRSS for DX when necessary.
I also get many private emails about activities on LF/MF from those who do not want to be reflector members and there are PLENTY
I get more reports and comments privately than via the reflector.
There were 3 stations active this morning on MF and NONE are reflector members !!!  I have worked them many times on cw
This is a busy time of year for me outside also BBQ'S etc but the wx has been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ yesterday evening.
The Moscow grabber is useful and I was visible early last nite around 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening up.
later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 for me but I went QRT getting too late and I am always in the shack when the TX is on
always hoping for a QSO
NO Beacon
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF


Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton:
At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few are listening or transmitting.
 
I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these days i think...

even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off
My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for you, sri ;-)

Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have advantages.
Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all of Germany would be calling.
I'm not in Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, like in the last evenings.

BTW i got several reports by email from people who aren't member of the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for home constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many newcomers on the band. We have to supply them by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned..
I'm going to play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to become a full size dipole for 630m :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


 
de mal/g3kev
 
--------------050201000804050308040609-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2598A380000A1; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjf4g-0007dk-Ey for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:21:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjf4d-0007db-4i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:21:31 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjf4b-00015A-PW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:21:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5QNLR24025158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:21:28 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QNLRuh002466 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:21:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEA4388.1070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:19:36 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <36D642DC20944A339A77B05805C821AF@Extensa> <4FE9AB62.1040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8891F24A59404592B6BD262BA56C74E2@Extensa> In-Reply-To: <8891F24A59404592B6BD262BA56C74E2@Extensa> Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080804040100000709040508" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,UPPERCASE_25_50,WEIRD_QUOTING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81763 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:455293824:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194fea444d5ce7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080804040100000709040508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5QNLR24025158 Peter, That looks very much like SAQ! Very typical. Maybe you can even hear the=20 tone between the CW keying (don't know how to describe better, it has a=20 special name). This is possible here with my active antenna for VLF. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.06.2012 23:18, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hello Stefan, all... > If this was SAQ tonight between 17 and 19h UTC, then it is time for=20 > them to QRPp :-) > I'm able to listen with Spectrum Lab or with SAQrx by Johan Bodin, SM6L= KM. > I tried to catch SAQ last year with a small passive loop, but no luck. > Is the SAQ TX frequency always unstable like last evening with 100 Hz=20 > drift (if that was SAQ) > Best 73's, Peter. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... > > Hi Peter, > > You will surely have audible reception at that QTH. Must be > suitable for light-beam CW too :-) > Are you prepared to listen? > > 73, Stefan > > Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: >> Hello ! >> http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg >> >> The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - Appingedam - JO33kh >> VLF graber: http://www.qsl.net/pa1sdb/ >> SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blog.htm >> > --------------080804040100000709040508 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------060002010208040505020707" --------------060002010208040505020707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter,

That looks very much like SAQ! Very typical. Maybe you can even hear the tone between the CW keying (don't know how to describe better, it has a special name). This is possible here with my active antenna for VLF.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 26.06.2012 23:18, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter:
Hello Stefan, all...
 
If this was SAQ tonight between 17 and 19h UTC, then it is time for them to QRPp :-)
I'm able to listen with Spectrum Lab or with SAQrx by Johan Bodin, SM6LKM.
I tried to catch SAQ last year with a small passive loop, but no luck.
Is the SAQ TX frequency always unstable like last evening with 100 Hz drift (if that was SAQ)
 
Best 73's, Peter.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here...

Hi Peter,

You will surely have audible reception at that QTH. Must be suitable for light-beam CW too :-)
Are you prepared to listen?

73, Stefan

Am 26.06.2012 14:15, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter:
Hello !
 
 
The SAQ spectrum here in The Netherlands - Appingedam - JO33kh
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK, many thanks to the group for feedbacks 73 D. Da: Stefan Schäfer A: Mercoledì 13 Giugno 2012 23:14 Oggetto: Re: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF Hi Daniele, [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.67 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: Re: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-67346210-1527579566-1339651899=:24853" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450586080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m271.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fd977b54d54 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---67346210-1527579566-1339651899=:24853 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, many thanks to the group for feedbacks=0A73=0AD.=0A =0A=0A_____________= ___________________=0A Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: Mercoled=EC 13 Giugn= o 2012 23:14=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF=0A = =0A=0A =0AHi Daniele, =0A=0AI didn't study all the details that graph is of= fering but from the=0Arecent reports of my beacon signal from YO/4X1RF and = RN3AGC i can=0Aconfirm that there are nights in June that are at least as g= ood as=0Anights in December! At least in that range, < 3000 km.=0A=0A73, St= efan=0A=0A=0A=0AAm 13.06.2012 22:08, schrieb Daniele Tincani: =0A=0A>=0A>He= llo LF, =0A>=0A>looking at this very interesting graph: =0A>=0A>http://df3l= p.de/misc/hga22/ =0A>=0A>my understanding is that summer nights - though sh= orter than=0Awinter ones - could be better for reception of LF signals in t= erms of=0Asignal strenght. Is this conclusion correct? =0A>=0A>Thanks =0A>7= 3 =0A>D. =0A> ---67346210-1527579566-1339651899=:24853 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK, many thanks to the group for feedbacks
73
D.

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Da:= Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><= br> A: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Inviato: Me= rcoled=EC 13 Giugno 2012 23:14
Oggetto: R= e: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF

=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A
=0AHi Daniele,
=0A
=0AI didn't study a= ll the details that graph is offering but from the=0Arecent reports of my b= eacon signal from YO/4X1RF and RN3AGC i can=0Aconfirm that there are nights= in June that are at least as good as=0Anights in December! At least in tha= t range, < 3000 km.
=0A
=0A73, Stefan
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=0AA= m 13.06.2012 22:08, schrieb Daniele Tincani:=0A
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Hello LF,
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looking at this very interesting graph:
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my understanding is that summer nights - though shorter than=0A= winter ones - could be better for reception of LF signals in terms of=0Asig= nal strenght. Is this conclusion correct?
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=0A <= div>Thanks
=0A
73
=0A
D.
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---67346210-1527579566-1339651899=:24853-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1515E3800055A; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdoW2-0004oB-9c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:13:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdoW1-0004o2-KY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:13:37 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdoVz-0001MO-Bp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:13:36 +0100 Received: from unknown-00-26-08-f6-6f-9b.home (host86-170-19-210.range86-170.btcentralplus.com [86.170.19.210]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LvhpU-1RsFGL42ns-017hyh; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:13:34 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Clive Lorton X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <006601cd473d$d4da5cf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:13:33 +0100 Message-Id: <0AE0F5F0-4E73-42A7-B7D4-8EAA5DD84524@thelortons.co.uk> References: <004201cd4730$cc020860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57131D54FA1241D8BBE53212C31F7BF0@Shack> <006601cd473d$d4da5cf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:2qkOUctezUgEgkVFOeFsdzPp7ismByj5rKVflMIeyHq fWmRWRS/eR50ZNITzTaGpGFJu0bAdA+/po/ohk0iUa1CEIRU8E Bhto1X+wnSy81nx0vgtjLTb3H9VNaUioZ7ZE2GDF7ceUPVUgdS y+do9L2XJlqOxloUVs0Zal6GK7UtTZhcwh/+YiOPvnGqkgDN5B TknTsSX1YIXy/kKSevBIIxLuzrNiPTkKNyvvQPJx+B1b5eX0QJ Hn4ktKlo7LRjJLEbTQgTQEW9mOasHwZk0g5Uvv+3RuTiTs2bo4 K8JtCHtlqIjDeagvITKAflz7WXb+etWDwGbblEAi4G00YLg8W2 jKPUvbOdxziIKKQ+wF+osmwTUX6p76l1LB8QEKG0hjm1VKNWkR YL0dP7fmkoLVf7lMR+2crFhvbHDLika1MugnqMQ/WGZln1N30q +IvCp X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, you have Yahoo sussed to be able to read the results. But only 2 - G3's voted. What a shame… Still listining Still lurking Cliveg g8poc [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fbdd513523001863775249cfaf215eac Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Votes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1130D5EA-98B5-41E6-A30F-C85913C03F8D" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460693728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fd5003a6dfb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail=_1130D5EA-98B5-41E6-A30F-C85913C03F8D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mal, you have Yahoo sussed to be able to read the results. But only 2 - = G3's voted. What a shame=85 Still listining Still lurking Cliveg g8poc=20 On 10 Jun 2012, at 20:18, mal hamilton wrote: > Ok Tony > But two thirds of the members did not vote, > g3kev > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:15 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Votes >=20 > 70% Yahoo > 10% Black Sheep > 19% Continue with both > =20 > No idea who the other 1% is ;-) > =20 > Tony, EI8JK > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM > Subject: LF: Votes >=20 > Well > Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many = voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to = go. > g3kev > =20 --Apple-Mail=_1130D5EA-98B5-41E6-A30F-C85913C03F8D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Mal, = you have Yahoo sussed to be able to read the results. But only 2 - G3's = voted.
What a shame=85

Still listining = Still lurking

Cliveg = g8poc 

On 10 Jun 2012, at 20:18, mal = hamilton wrote:

Ok = Tony
But two thirds of the members = did not vote,
g3kev
 
----- Original Message = -----
From: Tony

To: rsgb
 Sunday, = June 10, 2012 5:45 PM
Subject: LF: = Votes

Well
Only 57 votes = and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. = This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the way to = go.
g3kev
 

= --Apple-Mail=_1130D5EA-98B5-41E6-A30F-C85913C03F8D-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 56E62380000A0; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShTyJ-0005HA-5P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:05:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShTyH-0005H1-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:05:57 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShTyD-0007Ji-N5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:05:56 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5KN5qGX015096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:05:52 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5KN5qI8022408 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:05:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE256E6.8050203@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:04:06 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE22BB6.1080100@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4FE22BB6.1080100@usa.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, LF, Thanks to the fast help of DF6NM my SpecLab configuration allows now to move the filter center frequency over the MF band by using the mouse (also LF and any band of course). I attach my USR file in case someone want to try the function and adapt it to his own setup. This is very comfortable now and easily allows to move on a frequency of interest while having the complete band overview all the time. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT Fill in a short form with personal information X-Scan-Signature: e3ba1fc5452872623ef3f1fc0e9389b1 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030009010500070004030802" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81619 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438057408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fe25785741e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030009010500070004030802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MF, LF, Thanks to the fast help of DF6NM my SpecLab configuration allows now to move the filter center frequency over the MF band by using the mouse (also LF and any band of course). I attach my USR file in case someone want to try the function and adapt it to his own setup. This is very comfortable now and easily allows to move on a frequency of interest while having the complete band overview all the time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------030009010500070004030802 Content-Type: text/plain; name="472...479+500...503.USR" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="472...479+500...503.USR" [ABOUT] Info1=Configuration file for Spectrum Lab Info2=Compilation date Apr 4 2011 MenuText=CW mit Loop InfoText= [GENERAL] UseRelativePaths=1 LockWindows=0 EnableDDE=0 DebugFlags=0 PrefRxAudioCenterFreq=-1 PrefTxAudioCenterFreq=-1 FrequencyListFile=frequencies\default.txt [SOUNDCARD] SampleRate=96000 UseDifferentOutputSR=0 ResampleToNominalOutputSR=0 NominalOutputSampleRate=11025 BitsPerSample=16 SampleRateDivisor=1 ResampleQuality1=1 ExternalAudioOptions=0 [AUDIO_VIA_IP] Options=0 RcvFromPort=1024 SendToPort=1024 RcvFromIp=192.168.0.200 SendToIp=192.168.0.200 [AUDIO_FILE_IO] ConsADCactive=0 ConsADCfile=audio.dat CmdToStartADCfile=SndInput.exe /sr=11025 /ch=1 /chunk=512 /minsize=512 CmdToStopADCfile=SndInput.exe /quit ProdDACactive=0 MaxServerFileSizeKb=64 ProdDACfile=testaudio CmdToStartDACfile= CmdToStopDACfile= DuplicateAudioForOutput=0 RcvAudioViaCopydata=0 SendAudioViaCopydata=0 SendCopydataTo= AdcFullScaleInputVoltage=1 AdcInputImpedance=600 [SDR] NcoFreqHz=10700000 Options=0 TestToneFreq=0 Left=-1 Top=-1 Width=-1 Height=-1 Visible=0 FormStyle=-1 [SDR_IQ] Enabled=0 RadioType=0 FilterNr=3 RFgain_dB=0 IFgain_dB=24 RefFrequency=198000 FftCompensationFile= [PERSEUS] BitstreamNr=0 RFgain_dB=-10 PreselectorNr=11 RefFrequency=198000 FftCompensationFile= [SR_CALIBRATOR] Enabled=0 MeasureOnly=0 Algorithm=1 ConnectTo=1 MinRefAmpl=-80 RefFrequency=15625 RefPeriodicity=0 UpdateCycle=10 CalibBandwidth=1 MaxOffset_ppm=5 Averages=200 ScopeOpt=0 [FO_CALIBRATOR] Enabled=0 ConnectTo=1 MinRefAmpl=-60 RefFrequency=2000 CalibBandwidth=10 MaxFreqOffset=10 Averages=200 [WAVE_ANALYSIS] PlayInLoops=1 StopAnalyzerOnEOF=1 ReconnectBrokenStreams=0 PlayUpsampled=1 WaveAnalysisSp=1 WaveAnalysisScMode=0 WaveAnalysisOptions=0 WaveAnalysisNumThreads=1 WaveAnalysisRawDataType=2 WaveAnalysisRawTypeFlags=0 WaveAnalysisRawNChannels=0 WaveAnalysisRawFileSampleRate=11025 [WAVE_SAVE] Downsampled=0 SampleRate=4000 BitsPerSample=16 AsComplexPairs=0 CenterFrequency=0 WaveFileFormat=2 WaveSaveFileMode=2 InfoInHeader=1 MaxFileSize=1400 Flags=0 FileIndex=0 TrigRecorderFile=RecordedAudio_nnnn.WAV TrigRecorderFileMode=0 PreTrigSeconds=5 PostTrigSeconds=5 [SpectrumPlayer] Options=0 LoopMode=0 Gain_dB=0 FinMin=0 FinMax=3000 FoutMin=0 [SOUND_THREAD] StartSoundThread=1 StartSoundInput=1 StartSoundOutput=1 StartSignalGenerator=0 SignalGeneratorUnits=0 StartDigitalFilter=1 DigitalFilterBypass=2 FreeRunningSpeedPcnt=100 StereoProcessing=0 MinimizeLatency=0 ChainBothChannels=0 IQInputSwapChannels=0 IQInputAdjustEnable=0 IQAdjustBalance=0 IQAdjustPhase=0 PrimaryTimeSource=1 ManualAnalysisStartTime=0 [DIGIMODE] Active=0 DemodSource1=1 ComplexInput=0 ModulatorDest1=3 ModulatorDest2=0 DecoderLogfile=Term1.txt [MODES] OperMode=3 Modulation=14 CodesetNr=0 BitEncoding=1 UseDecoderNr=0 BitSyncAlgo=0 DisableFilters=0 SpecialFlags=0 ScopeMode=3 ScopeTrigger=0 ScopeUpdateTime=500 ScopeHorzSecPerDiv=0.1 ScopeHorzPixelPerDiv=20 ScopeHorzOpt=4 ScopeVertOpt=0 AutoSwitch2Rx=1 AutoSwitch2Tx=0 HalfDuplex=0 FlipMainAnalyser=1 BeaconMode=0 [AUDIO_FREQUENCIES] fc_rx=0 fc_tx=0 f_shift=10 fc_stepwidth=1 [MODULATION] symbol_rate=0.732421875 rev_keying=0 tx_freq_multiplier=1 pulse_shaping=1 shape_percent=100 output_level=100 special_options=0 [DETECTOR] use_afc=0 narrow_afc=0 afc_tune_range=100 squelch_thrsh=25 [SERIAL_DECODER] AsyncStartBit=1 AsyncDataBits=8 AsyncParityBit=0 AsyncStopBit=1 AsyncMsbFirst=0 [RX_CHAR_DISPLAY] ChrDisplayMode=0 LinefeedAfterPause=0 UseSlashZero=1 PrintDateOrTime=0 RejectedMessages= [MODE_DLL] name= use_it=0 [HELL_FONT] name=Arial height=-48 style=1 cut_top=0 [DIGIMODE2] Active=0 DemodSource1=1 ComplexInput=0 ModulatorDest1=3 ModulatorDest2=0 DecoderLogfile=Term2.txt [MODES2] OperMode=1 Modulation=8 CodesetNr=5 BitEncoding=2 UseDecoderNr=0 BitSyncAlgo=0 DisableFilters=0 SpecialFlags=0 ScopeMode=3 ScopeTrigger=0 ScopeUpdateTime=500 ScopeHorzSecPerDiv=0.1 ScopeHorzPixelPerDiv=20 ScopeHorzOpt=4 ScopeVertOpt=0 AutoSwitch2Rx=0 AutoSwitch2Tx=0 HalfDuplex=0 FlipMainAnalyser=0 BeaconMode=0 [AUDIO_FREQUENCIES2] fc_rx=2200 fc_tx=2200 f_shift=170 fc_stepwidth=1 [MODULATION2] symbol_rate=31.25 rev_keying=0 tx_freq_multiplier=1 pulse_shaping=1 shape_percent=100 output_level=75 special_options=0 [DETECTOR2] use_afc=1 narrow_afc=0 afc_tune_range=100 squelch_thrsh=25 [SERIAL_DECODER2] AsyncStartBit=1 AsyncDataBits=8 AsyncParityBit=0 AsyncStopBit=1 AsyncMsbFirst=0 [RX_CHAR_DISPLAY2] ChrDisplayMode=0 LinefeedAfterPause=0 UseSlashZero=1 PrintDateOrTime=0 RejectedMessages= [MODE_DLL2] name= use_it=0 [HELL_FONT2] name=Arial height=-11 style=0 cut_top=0 [DIGIMODE3] Active=0 DemodSource1=1 ComplexInput=0 ModulatorDest1=3 ModulatorDest2=0 DecoderLogfile=Term3.txt [MODES3] OperMode=1 Modulation=8 CodesetNr=5 BitEncoding=2 UseDecoderNr=0 BitSyncAlgo=0 DisableFilters=0 SpecialFlags=0 ScopeMode=3 ScopeTrigger=0 ScopeUpdateTime=500 ScopeHorzSecPerDiv=0.1 ScopeHorzPixelPerDiv=20 ScopeHorzOpt=4 ScopeVertOpt=0 AutoSwitch2Rx=0 AutoSwitch2Tx=0 HalfDuplex=0 FlipMainAnalyser=0 BeaconMode=0 [AUDIO_FREQUENCIES3] fc_rx=2200 fc_tx=2200 f_shift=170 fc_stepwidth=1 [MODULATION3] symbol_rate=31.25 rev_keying=0 tx_freq_multiplier=1 pulse_shaping=1 shape_percent=100 output_level=75 special_options=0 [DETECTOR3] use_afc=1 narrow_afc=0 afc_tune_range=100 squelch_thrsh=25 [SERIAL_DECODER3] AsyncStartBit=1 AsyncDataBits=8 AsyncParityBit=0 AsyncStopBit=1 AsyncMsbFirst=0 [RX_CHAR_DISPLAY3] ChrDisplayMode=0 LinefeedAfterPause=0 UseSlashZero=1 PrintDateOrTime=0 RejectedMessages= [MODE_DLL3] name= use_it=0 [HELL_FONT3] name=Arial height=-11 style=0 cut_top=0 [DIGIMODE4] Active=0 DemodSource1=1 ComplexInput=0 ModulatorDest1=3 ModulatorDest2=0 DecoderLogfile=Term4.txt [MODES4] OperMode=1 Modulation=8 CodesetNr=5 BitEncoding=2 UseDecoderNr=0 BitSyncAlgo=0 DisableFilters=0 SpecialFlags=0 ScopeMode=3 ScopeTrigger=0 ScopeUpdateTime=500 ScopeHorzSecPerDiv=0.1 ScopeHorzPixelPerDiv=20 ScopeHorzOpt=4 ScopeVertOpt=0 AutoSwitch2Rx=0 AutoSwitch2Tx=0 HalfDuplex=0 FlipMainAnalyser=0 BeaconMode=0 [AUDIO_FREQUENCIES4] fc_rx=2200 fc_tx=2200 f_shift=170 fc_stepwidth=1 [MODULATION4] symbol_rate=31.25 rev_keying=0 tx_freq_multiplier=1 pulse_shaping=1 shape_percent=100 output_level=75 special_options=0 [DETECTOR4] use_afc=1 narrow_afc=0 afc_tune_range=100 squelch_thrsh=25 [SERIAL_DECODER4] AsyncStartBit=1 AsyncDataBits=8 AsyncParityBit=0 AsyncStopBit=1 AsyncMsbFirst=0 [RX_CHAR_DISPLAY4] ChrDisplayMode=0 LinefeedAfterPause=0 UseSlashZero=1 PrintDateOrTime=0 RejectedMessages= [MODE_DLL4] name= use_it=0 [HELL_FONT4] name=Arial height=-11 style=0 cut_top=0 [PTT_VOX] VoxSource=0 RelayLeadTime=50 FollowUpTime=500 VoxTrigLevel=1024 AudioLatencyComp=0 [DCF77] Active=0 F_center=650 [SPECTRUM_BUFFER] MaxSpectrumBufferFftBins=2048 PeriodicUpdateOvw=0 [FFT_INPUT] ConnectSpectrumTo=1 ConnectSpectrumTo_Q=0 ConnectSpectrumCh2To=1 ConnectSpectrumCh2To_Q=0 Same4AllChnls=1 RateDivisor=1 AntiAlias=1 ZeroPadInput=0 ApplyFOCalib=0 TrigOptions=0 TriggeredAverages=0 NrOfSamples=131072 Average=0 BinSmoothing=0 WindowFunc=2 ComplexFFT=0 CenterFrequency=1675 LoSweepRate=0 LoSweepMode=0 [FFT_OUTPUT] PhysicalUnit=dB NeedPhaseInfo=0 UserDbOffset=0.0 [FFT_INPUT2] ConnectSpectrumTo=2 ConnectSpectrumTo_Q=0 ConnectSpectrumCh2To=0 ConnectSpectrumCh2To_Q=0 Same4AllChnls=1 RateDivisor=1 AntiAlias=1 ZeroPadInput=0 ApplyFOCalib=0 TrigOptions=0 TriggeredAverages=0 NrOfSamples=8192 Average=0 BinSmoothing=0 WindowFunc=2 ComplexFFT=0 CenterFrequency=0 LoSweepRate=0 LoSweepMode=0 [FFT_OUTPUT2] PhysicalUnit=dB NeedPhaseInfo=0 UserDbOffset=0.0 [DISPLAY] ReadCursorMode=0 ReadCursorOpts=32 PeakDetCursor=0 UserCursorExpr1=str("hh:mm:ss.s",cursor.spectrum.time) FreqMin=11000 FreqMax=18000 FreqMin2=39000 FreqMax2=42000 FreqOffset=461000 FreqOffset2=461000 EditFWithoutOffset=0 AmplMin=-120 AmplMax=-20 AmplMin2=-120 AmplMax2=-20 CorrelAmplMin=-1 CorrelAmplMax=10 SpectrumActive=1 SpectrumOrient=0 SpecGraphArea=180 DrawingOptions=8 LongTermAvrgOptions=0 OnePixelPerBin1=0 OnePixelPerBin2=0 LogFreqScale=0 WaterStripPixels=100 SplitFreqScale=0 SplitFreqPercent=74 CorrelogramVisible=0 CorrelogramOptions=0 CorrelFmin=0 CorrelFmax=0 CorrelogramWidthPercent=33 CorrelatorLagMin=-0.0106666666667 CorrelatorLagMax=0.0106666666667 CorrelatorAmplMin=-1 CorrelatorAmplMax=10 AmplitudeBar=0 AmplitudeBarOpts=2 AmplitudeBarSize=75 AmplitudeBarRange=100 AmplBarShowChannelsFromWatchWindow=0 SpectrumMirror=0 ScaleFontName=Courier New ScaleFontSize=8 FreqScaleOptions=1 FreqScaleFixedSize=0 SpectrumStyleNPos=2 SpectrumMathOptions=0 SpecialDisplayMode=0 ReassignmentFlags=0 WaterLineWidth=1 WaterScrollEnabled=1 AutoScrollSpeed=1 AutoScrollOverlap=2 SmoothScroll=0 AmplitudeGrid=1 FrequencyGrid=1 FreqGridStyle=1 TDDisplayOptions=1 TDFontName=Arial TDFontSize=9 SpectrumBgColor=0 SpectrumGridColor=8421504 SpectrumPenColor0=65535 SpectrumPenColor1=16744319 SpectrumPenColor2=65280 SpectrumPenColor3=8388608 SpectrumPenColor4=255 SpectrumPenColor5=4227327 SpectrumPenColor6=8388863 SpectrumPenColor7=16744703 FreqscaleBgColor=16777215 FreqscaleFgColor=0 StationFreqColor=16776960 AmplBarBgColor=16711680 WaterBadColor=4144959 WaterGridColor=16777215 WaterLabelTextColor=16777215 WaterLabelBkgndColor=0 WaterLabelTransparent=0 CursorTextColor=8355839 CursorBkgndColor=0 WaterFreqGrid=0 WaterTimeGrid=1 WaterTimeLabel=2 TDTimeLabel=1 UserTimeLabel=YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss TimeGridSeconds=60 TimeGridSource= TimeGridStyle=2 ChnIndividualContrast=1 WaterColorPalette=palettes\sunrise.pal VisualAGCMode=0 VisualAGCRef=-100 ColorPalContrast=161 ColorPalBrightness=113 ColorPalSaturation=128 WaterColorPalette2=palettes\sunrise.pal VisualAGCMode2=0 VisualAGCRef2=-100 ColorPalContrast2=164 ColorPalBrightness2=166 ColorPalSaturation2=128 WaterColorPalette3=palettes\sunrise.pal VisualAGCMode3=0 VisualAGCRef3=-100 ColorPalContrast3=100 ColorPalBrightness3=128 ColorPalSaturation3=128 WaterScrollInterval=0.341333333333 WaterfallAveraging=1 PeakInterval=180 [DISPLAY2] ReadCursorMode=0 ReadCursorOpts=32 PeakDetCursor=0 UserCursorExpr1=str("hh:mm:ss.s",cursor.spectrum.time) FreqMin=0 FreqMax=5000 FreqMin2=600 FreqMax2=800 FreqOffset=0 FreqOffset2=0 EditFWithoutOffset=0 AmplMin=-120 AmplMax=0 AmplMin2=-120 AmplMax2=0 CorrelAmplMin=-1 CorrelAmplMax=10 SpectrumActive=0 SpectrumOrient=0 SpecGraphArea=100 DrawingOptions=0 LongTermAvrgOptions=0 OnePixelPerBin1=0 OnePixelPerBin2=0 LogFreqScale=0 WaterStripPixels=100 SplitFreqScale=0 SplitFreqPercent=50 CorrelogramVisible=0 CorrelogramOptions=0 CorrelFmin=0 CorrelFmax=0 CorrelogramWidthPercent=33 CorrelatorLagMin=-0.1 CorrelatorLagMax=0.1 CorrelatorAmplMin=-1 CorrelatorAmplMax=10 AmplitudeBar=0 AmplitudeBarOpts=2 AmplitudeBarSize=75 AmplitudeBarRange=100 AmplBarShowChannelsFromWatchWindow=0 SpectrumMirror=0 ScaleFontName=Courier New ScaleFontSize=8 FreqScaleOptions=1 FreqScaleFixedSize=0 SpectrumStyleNPos=2 SpectrumMathOptions=0 SpecialDisplayMode=0 ReassignmentFlags=0 WaterLineWidth=1 WaterScrollEnabled=1 AutoScrollSpeed=1 AutoScrollOverlap=2 SmoothScroll=0 AmplitudeGrid=1 FrequencyGrid=1 FreqGridStyle=1 TDDisplayOptions=1 TDFontName=Arial TDFontSize=9 SpectrumBgColor=0 SpectrumGridColor=8421504 SpectrumPenColor0=65535 SpectrumPenColor1=16744319 SpectrumPenColor2=65280 SpectrumPenColor3=8388608 SpectrumPenColor4=255 SpectrumPenColor5=4227327 SpectrumPenColor6=8388863 SpectrumPenColor7=16744703 FreqscaleBgColor=16777215 FreqscaleFgColor=0 StationFreqColor=16776960 AmplBarBgColor=16711680 WaterBadColor=4144959 WaterGridColor=16777215 WaterLabelTextColor=16777215 WaterLabelBkgndColor=0 WaterLabelTransparent=1 CursorTextColor=8355839 CursorBkgndColor=0 WaterFreqGrid=0 WaterTimeGrid=3 WaterTimeLabel=3 TDTimeLabel=1 UserTimeLabel=YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss TimeGridSeconds=60 TimeGridSource= TimeGridStyle=1 ChnIndividualContrast=0 WaterColorPalette=palettes\sunrise.pal VisualAGCMode=0 VisualAGCRef=-100 ColorPalContrast=100 ColorPalBrightness=128 ColorPalSaturation=128 WaterColorPalette2=palettes\sunrise.pal VisualAGCMode2=0 VisualAGCRef2=-100 ColorPalContrast2=100 ColorPalBrightness2=128 ColorPalSaturation2=128 WaterColorPalette3=palettes\sunrise.pal VisualAGCMode3=0 VisualAGCRef3=-100 ColorPalContrast3=100 ColorPalBrightness3=128 ColorPalSaturation3=128 WaterScrollInterval=0.3 WaterfallAveraging=1 PeakInterval=5 [ColorDF] AntennaSetup=0 IntensityScaling=1 IntensitySource=2 ColourSchemeNr=0 RotationalDir=0 AngleOffset=0 ExtraColourSat=0 CalibFile= UseCalib=0 NullingCardioid=0 NullDirection=0 NullDirection2=0 NullDirection3=0 Null_H_E_Weight=1 NullPowerCorr=0.5 [TDScope] Left=142 Top=112 Width=540 Height=419 Visible=0 FormStyle=0 Active=0 NrOfChannels=1 Mode=0 DebugMode=0 AutoRanging=0 Decimation=1 Averages=0 UseMovingAverage=1 PeakDetect=0 Persistance=0 SlowFadeImage=0 HorzScalePercent=100 DispBufSamples=0 DispZoomedStart=0 TriggerMode=0 TriggerSlope=0 TriggerSource=0 TriggerCoupling=0 PretriggerPercent=50 TriggerLevel=0 TriggerSyncTime=0.07499 DispPhaseRange=360 BkgndColor=0 GridColor=13619151 LabelColor=13619151 [TDScope_Chn0] ShowWhat=4 DisplayStyle=2 ConnectTo=1 RefFrequency=650 AmplMin=-32768 AmplMax=32767 LogScale=0 ZeroDecibelValue=32767 UseFOCalib=1 PenColor=255 PhzColor=65280 [TDScope_Chn1] ShowWhat=4 DisplayStyle=2 ConnectTo=2 RefFrequency=800 AmplMin=-32768 AmplMax=32767 LogScale=0 ZeroDecibelValue=32767 UseFOCalib=1 PenColor=16744319 PhzColor=16711935 SameLoForPhaseMeters=0 [FREQ_MARKERS] Hidden=0 ShowInScreenshot=1 Name0=RX VFO Type0=s Color0=0 FreqIncludesVFO0=0 SetProc0=filter.fft.fs=x-filter.fft.fc GetFunc0=filter.fft.fs+fft.fc. [SPECTRUM_REF] FileName=spectrum.ref Color=16744319 Visible=0 Subtract=0 [CAPTURE] Time_From=0 Time_To=86399 TimeInterval=900 TimerActive=0 PeriodicAction=capture PeriodicAction2= PeriodicAction3= PeriodicAction4= PeriodicAction5= PeriodicAction6= PeriodicAction7= PeriodicAction8= PeriodicAction9= PeriodicAction10= PeriodicAction11= PeriodicAction12= PeriodicAction13= PeriodicAction14= PeriodicAction15= PeriodicAction16= PeriodicAction17= PeriodicAction18= PeriodicAction19= PeriodicAction20= ScheduleActive=0 Options=2 InfoOvl=1 InfoPos=1 InfoStk=1 InfoDef0=$"Date="+str("YYYY-MM-DD",now)+" Time="+str("hh:mm",now) InfoDef1=$"Freq= "+str("###0.#",water.f_min)+"..."+str("###0.#",water.f_max)+" Hz" InfoDef2= InfoDef3= InfoDef4= InfoDef5= InfoDef6= InfoDef7= InfoDef8= InfoDef9= SequenceNr=0 SequenceName=screenshots\capt UseJpegFormat=1 JpegQuality=50 Macro0= Macro1= Macro2= Macro3= Macro4= Macro5= Macro6= Macro7= Macro8= Macro9= Macro10= Macro11= Macro12= Macro13= Macro14= Macro15= Macro16= Macro17= Macro18= Macro19= Macro20= Macro21= Macro22= Macro23= Macro24= Macro25= Macro26= Macro27= Macro28= Macro29= Macro30= Macro31= Macro32= Macro33= Macro34= Macro35= Macro36= Macro37= Macro38= Macro39= [SCHEDULE] NumEvents=12 [SCHEDULE0] Time=79200 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE1] Time=0 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE2] Time=14400 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE3] Time=21600 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE4] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE5] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE6] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE7] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE8] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE9] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE10] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [SCHEDULE11] Time=-1 ActionCmd=capture [CONDITIONAL_ACTIONS] Active=0 EvalIntv=200 IF0= THEN0= IF1= THEN1= IF2= THEN2= IF3= THEN3= IF4= THEN4= IF5= THEN5= IF6= THEN6= IF7= THEN7= IF8= THEN8= IF9= THEN9= IF10= THEN10= IF11= THEN11= IF12= THEN12= IF13= THEN13= IF14= THEN14= IF15= THEN15= IF16= THEN16= IF17= THEN17= IF18= THEN18= IF19= THEN19= IF20= THEN20= IF21= THEN21= IF22= THEN22= IF23= THEN23= IF24= THEN24= IF25= THEN25= IF26= THEN26= IF27= THEN27= IF28= THEN28= IF29= THEN29= IF30= THEN30= IF31= THEN31= IF32= THEN32= IF33= THEN33= IF34= THEN34= IF35= THEN35= IF36= THEN36= IF37= THEN37= IF38= THEN38= IF39= THEN39= IF40= THEN40= IF41= THEN41= IF42= THEN42= IF43= THEN43= IF44= THEN44= IF45= THEN45= IF46= THEN46= IF47= THEN47= IF48= THEN48= IF49= THEN49= IF50= THEN50= IF51= THEN51= IF52= THEN52= IF53= THEN53= IF54= THEN54= IF55= THEN55= IF56= THEN56= IF57= THEN57= IF58= THEN58= IF59= THEN59= IF60= THEN60= IF61= THEN61= IF62= THEN62= IF63= THEN63= IF64= THEN64= IF65= THEN65= IF66= THEN66= IF67= THEN67= IF68= THEN68= IF69= THEN69= IF70= THEN70= IF71= THEN71= IF72= THEN72= IF73= THEN73= IF74= THEN74= IF75= THEN75= IF76= THEN76= IF77= THEN77= IF78= THEN78= IF79= THEN79= IF80= THEN80= IF81= THEN81= IF82= THEN82= IF83= THEN83= IF84= THEN84= IF85= THEN85= IF86= THEN86= IF87= THEN87= IF88= THEN88= IF89= THEN89= IF90= THEN90= IF91= THEN91= IF92= THEN92= IF93= THEN93= IF94= THEN94= IF95= THEN95= IF96= THEN96= IF97= THEN97= IF98= THEN98= IF99= THEN99= WatchExpression= [CIRCUIT] ConnectGeneratorToInput=3 ConnectGeneratorToOutput=0 InputMonitorSource=1 OutputMonitorSource=3 TrigMode=0 TrigSource=0 TrigPolarity=1 TrigLevel=0 TrigHysteresis=20 PretriggerTime=0 TrigTimerIntvl=1 MixerHilbertLength=37 FreqCvtSameLO=0 FreqCvtQuadLO=0 ConnectSlider1=5 Gain0=15.8489319246 Gain1=1 Gain2=1 Gain3=1 Gain4=1 Gain5=1 Gain6=0 Gain7=0 FreqMixerEnabled=0 MixerDcReject=0 MixerFrequency=4062 MixerSideband=4 [CIRCUIT2] FreqMixerEnabled=0 MixerDcReject=0 MixerFrequency=0 MixerSideband=0 [FILTER] DisplayOptions=3 [FILTER0] CoeffFile=default.flt IIR2DesignFile=default.flc FIR2DesignFile=default.fir FilterFftSize=16384 FftSame4All=0 FftShowInGraph=0 FftANotchFreqRangeStart=0 FftANotchFreqRangeEnd=0 FftANotchSpeed=0.1 FftANotchWidth=5 FftANRegionWidth=20 FftANotchTransitionWidth=0 FftANotchThrsh=4 FftANotchBurstReject=6 FftDenoiserLvl=-70 ChirpRate=0 DecimateOutputSRateBy=1 GraphMinLevel=-100 GraphMaxLevel=0 FftFilterType=3 FftFilterOptions=0 FftFilterFC=800 FftFilterBW=300 FftFilterSW=100 FftFreqShift=14696.194825 FftInvertFrom=0 FftInvertTo=0 FftFilterResponse=default.frs FftFilterPlugin= When2CallPlugin=1 PluginWinX=10 PluginWinY=10 PluginWinWidth=320 PluginWinHeight=240 SpecialRangeF10=0 SpecialRangeF20=0 SpecialRangeP0_01=0 SpecialRangeP1_01=0 SpecialRangeP2_01=0 SpecialRangeP3_01=0 SpecialRangeType0=0 SpecialRangeF11=0 SpecialRangeF21=0 SpecialRangeP0_11=0 SpecialRangeP1_11=0 SpecialRangeP2_11=0 SpecialRangeP3_11=0 SpecialRangeType1=0 SpecialRangeF12=0 SpecialRangeF22=0 SpecialRangeP0_21=0 SpecialRangeP1_21=0 SpecialRangeP2_21=0 SpecialRangeP3_21=0 SpecialRangeType2=0 SpecialRangeF13=0 SpecialRangeF23=0 SpecialRangeP0_31=0 SpecialRangeP1_31=0 SpecialRangeP2_31=0 SpecialRangeP3_31=0 SpecialRangeType3=0 SpecialRangeF14=0 SpecialRangeF24=0 SpecialRangeP0_41=0 SpecialRangeP1_41=0 SpecialRangeP2_41=0 SpecialRangeP3_41=0 SpecialRangeType4=0 SpecialRangeF15=0 SpecialRangeF25=0 SpecialRangeP0_51=0 SpecialRangeP1_51=0 SpecialRangeP2_51=0 SpecialRangeP3_51=0 SpecialRangeType5=0 SpecialRangeF16=0 SpecialRangeF26=0 SpecialRangeP0_61=0 SpecialRangeP1_61=0 SpecialRangeP2_61=0 SpecialRangeP3_61=0 SpecialRangeType6=0 SpecialRangeF17=0 SpecialRangeF27=0 SpecialRangeP0_71=0 SpecialRangeP1_71=0 SpecialRangeP2_71=0 SpecialRangeP3_71=0 SpecialRangeType7=0 [FILTER1] CoeffFile=default.flt IIR2DesignFile=default.flc FIR2DesignFile=default.fir FilterFftSize=4096 FftSame4All=0 FftShowInGraph=0 FftANotchFreqRangeStart=0 FftANotchFreqRangeEnd=0 FftANotchSpeed=0.1 FftANotchWidth=5 FftANRegionWidth=20 FftANotchTransitionWidth=0 FftANotchThrsh=4 FftANotchBurstReject=6 FftDenoiserLvl=-80 ChirpRate=0 DecimateOutputSRateBy=1 GraphMinLevel=-100 GraphMaxLevel=0 FftFilterType=3 FftFilterOptions=0 FftFilterFC=650 FftFilterBW=200 FftFilterSW=50 FftFreqShift=0 FftInvertFrom=0 FftInvertTo=0 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SpecialRangeP0_61=0 SpecialRangeP1_61=0 SpecialRangeP2_61=0 SpecialRangeP3_61=0 SpecialRangeType6=0 SpecialRangeF17=0 SpecialRangeF27=0 SpecialRangeP0_71=0 SpecialRangeP1_71=0 SpecialRangeP2_71=0 SpecialRangeP3_71=0 SpecialRangeType7=0 [SIGNAL_GENERATOR] UseSineTable=0 NoiseLevel=-50 NoiseOn=0 AmModFreq=1 AmModFactor=1 AmModCarrier=1 AmModWave=0 AmDutyCyclePcnt=50 FmModWave=0 FmModFreq=100 FmModDeviation=240.5 FmDutyCyclePcnt=50 ArbitraryWaveformFile= ArbitraryWaveformFormula=sin(2*pi*x) LoadAWFromFile=0 Enabled0=1 AmMod0=0 FmMod0=0 Wave0=0 SinFreq0=900 SinAmpl0=0.1 Enabled1=1 AmMod1=0 FmMod1=0 Wave1=0 SinFreq1=1000 SinAmpl1=0.1 Enabled2=1 AmMod2=0 FmMod2=0 Wave2=0 SinFreq2=1100 SinAmpl2=0.1 [CIRCUIT_BLACKBOX0] CompType=0 BandpassFC=15500 BandpassBW=3000 BandpassRespType=1 DelaySeconds=0.5 AdderGain=0 InputGain=1 FeedbackGain=0.9 BypassGain=0 SignalSource=0 DeModType=0 DeModOptions=1 DeModFC=24000 DeModBW=1000 DeModFact=1 DeModCarr=1 DeemphTimeConst=5e-05 ChirpRate=2000 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: W dniu 2012-06-03 13:17, Stefan Schäfer pisze: > Dear John, LF, > > Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following. > Dear Stefan, LF i did take the time and read your post. I do agree with you and your opinion towards (old,new) servers issue The only reason i have subsribed to yahoo was my fear that blacksheep closure is imminent btw, for reasons which are still unclear for me i was 'forced' to get an e-mail yahoo account as a necessary condition to get access to yahoo_lf_group. Later, i saw that my 'normal' mail account was suffcient to receive posts from the new server i do not take part in the ongoing discussion entitled as " to be or not to be on yahoo server" not only becasue i am still in rx mode reagarding vlf/lf/mf bands but i simply feel that the final decision should be taken by far more experienced persons ( whatever this term means) though my indirect opinion is that i am not going to unsubscribe from blacksheep server [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000909050901040301040700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fcbc06936e8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000909050901040301040700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable W dniu 2012-06-03 13:17, Stefan Sch=E4fer pisze: > Dear John, LF, > > Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following. > Dear Stefan, LF i did take the time and read your post. I do agree with you and your=20 opinion towards (old,new) servers issue The only reason i have subsribed to yahoo was my fear that blacksheep=20 closure is imminent btw, for reasons which are still unclear for me i was 'forced' to get =20 an e-mail yahoo account as a necessary condition to get access to yahoo_lf_group. Later, i saw that my 'normal' mail=20 account was suffcient to receive posts from the new server i do not take part in the ongoing discussion entitled as " to be or=20 not to be on yahoo server" not only becasue i am still in rx mode reagarding vlf/lf/mf bands but i simply feel that the final=20 decision should be taken by far more experienced persons ( whatever this term means) though my indirect opinion is that i am not=20 going to unsubscribe from blacksheep server = yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------000909050901040301040700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable W dniu 2012-06-03 13:17, Stefan Sch=E4fer pisze:
Dear John, LF,

Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following.

Dear Stefan, LF

i did take the time and=A0 read your post. I do agree with you and your opinion towards=A0 (old,new) servers issue
The only reason i have subsribed to yahoo was my fear that blacksheep closure is imminent
btw,=A0 for reasons which are still unclear for me i was 'forced' to get=A0 an e-mail=A0 yahoo account as a necessary condition to
get access to yahoo_lf_group.=A0 Later, i saw that my 'normal' mail account was suffcient to receive=A0 posts from the new server
i do not take part in the ongoing discussion=A0 entitled=A0 as " to b= e or not to be on yahoo server" not only becasue i am still
in rx mode reagarding vlf/lf/mf bands but i simply feel that the final decision should be taken by far more experienced persons
( whatever this term means) though my indirect opinion is that i am not going to unsubscribe from blacksheep server

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qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
--------------000909050901040301040700-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4621438000083; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd1za-0000QK-2Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:24:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd1zZ-0000QB-N2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:24:53 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd1zX-0008UO-In for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:24:52 +0100 Received: from [10.0.0.175] (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q58GOjQZ079667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:24:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4FD2274D.2080008@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:24:45 +0200 From: Albert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301cd458c$d9c61db0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001301cd458c$d9c61db0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: All, Beacon in mode OPERA this evening, dial 500kHz USB, carrier abt. 501.7 kHz. Each transmission starts with my call in normal morse code. Repetition timer at 12 minutes. 73, Albert PA0A (JO33DE 53 JH) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.33 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7b4dbd93955117b98f3a6ac4d7602f88 Subject: LF: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:245141856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fd227be574a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none All, Beacon in mode OPERA this evening, dial 500kHz USB, carrier abt. 501.7 kHz. Each transmission starts with my call in normal morse code. Repetition timer at 12 minutes. 73, Albert PA0A (JO33DE 53 JH) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6B80538000097; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 04:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgATJ-00052C-T9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:04:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgATJ-000523-CZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:04:33 +0100 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgATH-0005pi-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:04:32 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAGyO3U9cF/9d/2dsb2JhbABFtVOBCIITBQEBDQEBA0kCIQsBAQgCAQMRBAEBCjkBBBoGFAIOEwoBAgIBAYd+B6oijSoEiziGOwOID4U0l16CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,425,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="396163471" Received: from host-92-23-255-93.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.255.93]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jun 2012 09:03:30 +0100 Message-ID: <003301cd4c5f$ab799b10$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:03:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan Tnx QSO on MF Think how loud my signal would have been if you had been using the same TX antenna for RX. The micro antennas work but not so good for DX listening for radio amateur signals. I have a choice of several antennas for RX purposes but normally on 500 khz use a 40m quad loop orientated to RX E/W and used for QSK work and the TX antenna is 1/4 wave inv L full size on 500 but used also as RX antenna when needed. The Quad loop is resonated at the desired frequency on LF es MF de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: d0d76c369792b807e0925732d18ad9b1 Subject: Fw: LF: qso dk7fc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01CD4C5F.AB36C5B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466883040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194fdd8fc40e78 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CD4C5F.AB36C5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan Tnx QSO on MF Think how loud my signal would have been if you had been using the same = TX antenna for RX. The micro antennas work but not so good for DX = listening for radio amateur signals. I have a choice of several antennas for RX purposes but normally on 500 = khz use a 40m quad loop orientated to RX E/W and used for QSK work and = the TX antenna is 1/4 wave inv L full size on 500 but used also as RX = antenna when needed. The Quad loop is resonated at the desired frequency on LF es MF de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: qso dk7fc Mal,=20 Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the first moment. I just didn't = know that you are calling on 501... Am 17.06.2012 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan At last a QSO hi.=20 Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were 569 = solid copy with heavy QRN on the band. Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as long as the signals are still = perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of amateur radio, all missed = in QRSS... BTW: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/G3KEV.WAV (10MB, the mp3 = converter does not work soemhow) Just have it in mind when you talk = about my ears... Ah and BTW the reception was done by using a micro = antenna, an active E field antenna that was hold out of the window, just = 1 meter. The probe is a short variable length antenna from a UKW radio = (allows experimenting with different probe length..) At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. Glad to be your first CW = QSO on MF ...the first UK stn. The first ever was PA3ABK. 73 es gl de mal/g3kev 73, QRQ, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CD4C5F.AB36C5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan
Tnx QSO on MF
Think how loud my signal would have been if you = had been=20 using the same TX antenna for RX. The micro antennas work but not so = good for DX=20 listening for radio amateur signals.
 
I have a choice of several antennas for RX = purposes but=20 normally on 500 khz use a 40m quad loop orientated to RX E/W and = used for=20 QSK work and the TX antenna is 1/4 wave inv L full size on 500 but used = also as=20 RX antenna when needed.
The Quad loop is resonated at the desired=20 frequency on LF es MF
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: LF: qso dk7fc

Mal,

Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the = first=20 moment. I just didn't know that you are calling on 501...

Am = 17.06.2012=20 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
Stefan
At last a QSO hi.
Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 = report. I=20 cfm u were 569 solid copy with heavy QRN on the=20 band.
Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as long = as the=20 signals are still perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of amateur = radio,=20 all missed in QRSS...

BTW:  https://dl.dropbo= x.com/u/19882028/MF/G3KEV.WAV =20 (10MB, the mp3 converter does not work soemhow) Just have it in mind = when you=20 talk about my ears... Ah and BTW the reception was done by using a micro = antenna, an active E field antenna that was hold out of the window, just = 1=20 meter. The probe is a short variable length antenna from a UKW radio = (allows=20 experimenting with different probe length..)


At the end you peaked up to 579 = good signal.=20 Glad to be your first CW QSO on MF
...the = first UK stn.=20 The first ever was PA3ABK.

73 es gl de = mal/g3kev
 

73, QRQ, = Stefan/DK7FC
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CD4C5F.AB36C5B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CD0A938000084; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfxBW-0007xP-2a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:53:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfxBV-0007xG-BE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:53:17 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfxBT-00036d-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:53:16 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GHrER4017424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:53:14 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GHrDWY026662 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:53:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCC7A4.6080608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:51:32 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8146402EAAE443729F66C932F047B78D@AGB> In-Reply-To: <8146402EAAE443729F66C932F047B78D@AGB> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now, works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW. Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals. It's slowly starting here now. I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... I still have no idea about MF propagation... Exciting! :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1273381c241b4bc851b7e848e0897dc9 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060908040204090201090502" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461413056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4fdcc866057b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060908040204090201090502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5GHrER4017424 Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now,=20 works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW. Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First=20 tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals.=20 It's slowly starting here now. I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... I=20 still have no idea about MF propagation... Exciting! :-) 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham: > Ok Stefan , > What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the =20 > RX to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly=20 > into io83lk hihi > 73 -G.. > > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: MF:477 via Delft > > Thank you Graham, eh i mean G.., > > Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to=20 > extend the range... > > Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham: >> Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range ....= ! >> Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft >> can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise=20 >> .should work ? >> G.. >> http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ --------------060908040204090201090502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now, works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW.
Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals. It's slowly starting here now.
I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... I still have no idea about MF propagation...
Exciting! :-)

73, Stefan

Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham:
Ok Stefan ,
 
What mode  are  sending  ? opera ?  If  so  then   I will   set the  RX to  477  as  well  , Im sure  some  signal  will  leak   directly into  io83lk  hihi
 
73 -G..

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,

Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the range...

Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the  Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  477  via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  , but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
--------------060908040204090201090502-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C324838000096; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbXJG-0003U2-I6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:27:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbXJF-0003Tt-Nn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:27:01 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbXJD-0006kM-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:27:00 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al4FAJi2zE9cF/ub/2dsb2JhbABEhU6ZBYUDh2ABiHCBCIITBQEBBQgBAQMWMwIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKIQICFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBCYdjAw8HpA+IPg2JTooxYBuEY4ESA409iG2JbIR7gmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,712,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="383150484" Received: from host-92-23-251-155.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.251.155]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 14:26:57 +0100 Message-ID: <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:26:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I am only quoting what you published reference items 9 and 10. In some other messages from you there is also mention of vetting and banning. Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to be concerned. I am merely pointing out concerns that I have about some of your postings where vetting and banning keeps cropping up. My argument and others is that one should be allowed to get their opinion heard without fear or favour and I do no like to bombarded with words that imply restrictive practice. I am not aware of any attack going on but surely I am permitted to challenge what others say, if it effects me and in this case the move to the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as well and they are expressing their opinions daily. It particularly effects me since I am one of the few radio amateurs that are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice on the reflector is useful to update activity, propagation conditions, DX alerts and technical data about changes of equipment, power etc. Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW or Opera. [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 84ab60ecdd4473835b39687102047368 Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D0_01CD4255.B5E59DB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:518226688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fccb7ef26d3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01CD4255.B5E59DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am only quoting what you published reference items 9 and 10. In some = other messages from you there is also mention of vetting and banning. = Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to be concerned.=20 I am merely pointing out concerns that I have about some of your = postings where vetting and banning keeps cropping up. My argument and others is that one should be allowed to get their = opinion heard without fear or favour and I do no like to bombarded with = words that imply restrictive practice. I am not aware of any attack going on but surely I am permitted to = challenge what others say, if it effects me and in this case the move to = the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as well and they are = expressing their opinions daily.=20 It particularly effects me since I am one of the few radio amateurs that = are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice on the reflector is = useful to update activity, propagation conditions, DX alerts and = technical data about changes of equipment, power etc. Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW or Opera.=20 de g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 12:33 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Dear Mal, Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not me.=20 Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" wrote: Reference postings from G3XBM I am concerned about items 9 and 10 Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those = VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a = different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR What ever happens avoid him as a moderator de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan Melia ; Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer ; Markus Vester ; James Moritz=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest that = the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group? In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or = problems with any group to which I belong or moderate. Instead they have had these advantages: 1.. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves = cluttered in-boxes) 2.. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before = messages are received.=20 3.. All messages are archived and searchable. 4.. Large files can be stored.=20 5.. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.=20 6.. Links can be stored/shared=20 7.. Videos can be stored.=20 8.. Polls can be run.=20 9.. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of = moderators to speed up the process)=20 10.. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional = circumstances.=20 11.. Spam messages can be filtered 12.. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc) = The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot = understand why the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this = week it is surely time. To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or whatever) = would take about 30 seconds and migration to it by all interested = members here would take about a day at most. All you need is to agree a = group name, who owns it, who can moderate posts and some basic group = ground rules/FAQs. Please, think about it again.=20 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01CD4255.B5E59DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
I am only quoting what you published reference = items 9 and=20 10. In some other messages from you there is also mention of vetting and = banning. Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to be = concerned.=20
 I am merely pointing out concerns that I = have about=20 some of your postings where vetting and banning keeps cropping=20 up.
My argument and others is that one should = be allowed=20 to get their opinion heard without fear or favour and I do no like to = bombarded=20 with words that imply restrictive practice.
I am not aware of any attack going on but = surely I am=20 permitted to challenge what others say, if it effects me and in = this case=20 the move to the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as well and they = are=20 expressing their opinions daily.
It particularly effects me since I am one of the = few radio=20 amateurs that are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice=20 on the reflector is useful to update activity, propagation=20 conditions, DX alerts and technical data about changes of = equipment, power etc.
Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW=20 or Opera.
 
de g3kev
   
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 12:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: An = "LF-reflector"=20 Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

Dear Mal,

Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not = me. 

Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign. 

73s
Roger
G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

Reference postings from G3XBM
I am concerned about items 9  and = 10
Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members = banned.
Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the=20 credentials of those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably = someone=20 who has a different opinion or point of view from his or even a = sense of=20 HUMOUR
What ever happens avoid him as a=20 moderator
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20 ; Alan Melia ; Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer ; Markus=20 Vester ; James Moritz =
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, = 2012 9:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An = "LF-reflector" Yahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE

With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again = suggest=20 that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group?

In over 10 = years I=20 have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or problems with any = group to=20 which I belong or moderate.

Instead they have had these=20 advantages:
  1. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves = cluttered=20 in-boxes)
  2. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before = messages=20 are received.=20
  3. All messages are archived and searchable.
  4. Large files can be stored.=20
  5. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.=20
  6. Links can be stored/shared=20
  7. Videos can be stored.=20
  8. Polls can be run.=20
  9. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of = moderators to=20 speed up the process)=20
  10. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional = circumstances.=20
  11. Spam messages can be filtered
  12. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc)=20
The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply = cannot=20 understand why the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems = this=20 week it is surely time.

To set up a new Yahoo group called=20 "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would take about 30 seconds and = migration to=20 it by all interested members here would take about a day at most. = All you=20 need is to agree a group name, who owns it, who can moderate posts = and=20 some basic group ground rules/FAQs.

Please, think about it = again.=20

73s
Roger G3XBM

--
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

=
------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01CD4255.B5E59DB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2F561380000F8; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdkry-0003lX-1g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:20:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sdkrx-0003lJ-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:20:01 +0100 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sdkrv-0000hv-DJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:20:00 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5AGJra5016831 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:19:53 -0400 Received: from core-msb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.141]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EAEAEE000088 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:19:52 -0400 (EDT) References: <4FD4CBA4.29154.B00FF00@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4FD4CBA4.29154.B00FF00@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Webmail 36301-STANDARD Received: from 77.190.100.187 by webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com (64.12.141.17) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:19:53 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF153C0059E7C7-1F68-E339@webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [77.190.100.187] Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:19:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1339345193; bh=v9Ljce8UIxyO9D8uVs/nqB7on8/tYdAeUPmMZtE9h1s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IztQKjDGnIsvo81kIuyUrRZr7PE6s2F+wcJVEw+RWwecFX5T/py2EgkdGOtPvhJhD 6DrFCEpzq1VTvY12rf83kJ3hxklonV8tB3pZH6wlaaBfUJ3WYaiqowqc1DKqZk/Rrx WS12UvU23r1EWvrgtewOaXELgoPoIN9r0uQdjwkg= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473309056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mike, well this was supposed to read "DF6NM" - maybe I should select a different font for my Hell transmissions ;-) Thanks anyway for the report and screenshot, and also or the very pleasant qrss/dfcw qso we had this morning. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.206.41 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 4f449c45f7b1894a9195a328eedaeb30 Subject: Re: LF: DF8XV? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF153C005C492D_1F68_3A951_webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493440832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d018.1 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fd4c96b0e03 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF153C005C492D_1F68_3A951_webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mike, well this was supposed to read "DF6NM" - maybe I should select a different = font for my Hell transmissions ;-) Thanks anyway for the report and screenshot, and also or the very pleasant = qrss/dfcw qso we had this morning. Have a good time, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Mike Dennison An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 10 Jun 2012 3:32 pm Betreff: LF: DF8XV? Received a Hell CQ from DF8XV this afternoon at a good strength. He=20 id not reply to my call. Who/where was he? Screen grab at: http://g3xdv.blog.com Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ----------MB_8CF153C005C492D_1F68_3A951_webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Mike,
 
well this was supposed to read "DF6NM" - maybe I should select a = different font for my Hell transmissions ;-)

Thanks anyway for the report and screenshot, and also or the very plea= sant qrss/dfcw qso we had this morning.
 
Have a good time,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
= -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Mike Dennison <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 10 Jun 2012 3:32 pm
Betreff: LF: DF8XV?

Receiv=
ed a Hell CQ from DF8XV this afternoon at a good strength. He=20
did not reply to my call. Who/where was he?

Screen grab at: http://g=
3xdv.blog.com

Mike, G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
----------MB_8CF153C005C492D_1F68_3A951_webmail-m071.sysops.aol.com-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C0689100BB; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfYXy-0003QW-KB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:34:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfYXy-0003QN-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:34:50 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfYXv-0006vV-SJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:34:49 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnsNALJH209cF/mP/2dsb2JhbABFigaab48uAgKBK4EIghMFAQENAQEDQQgCIQsBAQgCAQMRBAEBCjkBBBgCBgwIAg4IBwQBCQECAgEBAQsEh1wDDwewOwOJWIs2SVaEcgONQ4hziBKBXoR7gmCBXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,417,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="38615428" Received: from host-92-23-249-143.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.249.143]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 16:34:46 +0100 Message-ID: <005101cd4b0c$627778a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:34:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: They are still fashionable around EU. What happens in your area when there are GPS jamming exercises and GPS is not available. In some places LORAN has started up again as standby for the Big Bang, they like their NDB'S in EU for the same reason g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: ac0f6ff1af52b6036ac1f4fe0c2bd52c Subject: LF: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:422486752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4fdb5657425b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none They are still fashionable around EU. What happens in your area when there are GPS jamming exercises and GPS is not available. In some places LORAN has started up again as standby for the Big Bang, they like their NDB'S in EU for the same reason g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? > >>NDB .... are often picked up a few hundred miles away and used for cross > >>checking and used more often than you think. > > These things are dropping like flies in North America and especially, where > one would think they would be most useful...Alaska. Many NDBs over here go > on miskeying for months and months before anyone even notices they are > sending gibberish. Inexpensive and reliable GPS systems and RNAV > approach/departures have sealed their fate. > > > > WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms.html > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CDB9D380000C3; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgG6m-00061n-Q5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:05:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgG6m-00061e-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:05:40 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgG6k-000715-Ih for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:05:39 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5HE5aC6008305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:05:36 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5HE5a7I003152 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:05:36 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:03:53 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the band noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 59677119386dcf9f1872cb454dc1331d Subject: LF: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:432316320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4fdde46c6bd9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the band noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in these first days... 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E957F380000F0; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkADW-0004Sw-Nw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:36:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkADW-0004Sn-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:36:46 +0100 Received: from nm19.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkADU-000818-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:36:44 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm19.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 08:36:42 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.117] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 08:36:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2012 08:36:42 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 750591.12985.bm@omp1026.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 49606 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2012 08:36:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340872602; bh=xJD0jWD2KEOLXNaviZTZu8VP9xj0lEvYnw5uZOb13Vg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K4udq+A9fodlRBEMdnjT5t2D0DnPvC81Fm4Zdx/kBFaqaru3R1eL95fsRXmM3txa6OO8pLvXBf8STaa2mpI22C4z1VgD0X/DsVDarkLe1KAem5Qv3NTdFn3baXA+gVwQ7W79Y1mbg/DI1j09gLmn97n9ZcCeE6edAFaJzv+ffuo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RxCPk41HezNFA6LuJcC4a01/LS2ExVXExvs1h69vpiFxxTvmpx3ek4/gtMh5veLMhDhXK4Kcdjt9A3b9LeW4Gdtp6n2K51n3WDrbjWJCPgbUt0ou25EShx6o8v5LnCI4/ts/HufeIOzQgqKtJ2/3UjhJXWvfpFXzWgNYpSxs27Y=; X-YMail-OSG: keJ_BfMVM1njtAuBgErFla7stjE_CyI3wzyYEryAHLLCpZT K.PgPljDkpKAo1Ffr2WreP4K8TKbHD.Yvh2et0i1Vp7Y47U270vjodG_wBhh XpYM5WuRWhxBrAM6KgxCht3_iMEZcBXUMIezanqSwLuMJRgZstyverreUY68 fIo3K5jlD16b7tSb85X3v2pmX94StJDbifbODzjK2Lck8GR9vgyIC.Z13UGU 08dYsQgPWmeYv0OXag5FJdNkoZq7eXnMDv01HAAORT3k6lvDJ4Fu9CtvFc77 9YA3sUxAzQP6mqghlyOQb96SnlmVMUgrIoc0c2SF.EaOImOxnn3TG_xKIJGb jRINu65J.kch_FIaeVBw2xLWz6kEF0FRQTFYIH07KDaG9gv.3IRPhm_6okof b9joRFVe3u8qOZWQPZhjbh7LO1CZLX083z25TJKi01IhgCjfz5tzCZrc- Received: from [86.163.214.230] by web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:36:42 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB65D1@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> Message-ID: <1340872602.49196.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:36:42 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <82ECFF6D94B94BED9D93B5580549A409@Extensa> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hi Stephan Me Too 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.76 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1e15d6d6179985f133b43d42d658878a Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1507048413-807497325-1340872602=:49196" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488465888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m012.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904fec17d7574e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1507048413-807497325-1340872602=:49196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AHi Stephan=0A=0AMe Too=0A=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A______= __________________________=0A From: "PA1SDB, Peter" =0ATo= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12=0ASubj= ect: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A =0A=0A =0Alike =0A=0A---= -- Original Message ----- =0A>From: Rik Strobbe =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM =0A>Subject: LF: RE= : 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =0A>=0A> =0A>If=A0someone is=A0interested i= =A0may=A0convert the circuit=A0from=A0my=A0mind=A0into a schematic as a= =A0png file. =0A>=A0 =0A>Always=A0interested ;-) =0A>=A0 =0A>73, Rik=A0=A0O= N7YD - OR7T --1507048413-807497325-1340872602=:49196 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--1507048413-807497325-1340872602=:49196-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DEDB038000085; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si6eB-0006j6-6i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:23:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si6eA-0006ix-Na for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:23:46 +0100 Received: from f51.mail.ru ([217.69.128.71]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6e8-0007jv-AQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:23:45 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=mail.ru Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; h=Content-Type:Message-ID:Reply-To:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Mime-Version:Subject:To:From; bh=VJhlLyNdmRJtmL3wiSAEtzYwpO+HSmujYSQCSCiS1g8=; b=NJ5gE5+d0rBHTmF/kxNL7UpPJEm3Uytp/YCGeAO9/bXNveti76T/2/V89jwPBG3yeoeTJcsXjuaHjBZsPHbwkuRaEFOke6TdWYMhaiyL2mZNqgmHF6WDFLcqtqTGTjjk; Received: from mail by f51.mail.ru with local (envelope-from ) id 1Si6e6-0003Fu-2r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:23:42 +0400 Received: from [213.87.143.87] by e.mail.ru with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:23:42 +0400 From: =?UTF-8?B?QWxleCBL?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [213.87.143.87] Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:23:42 +0400 References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: Message-ID: <1340382221.784006918@f51.mail.ru> X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello LF! RN3AUS grabber is ON (TDY and TMR) in QRSS-60 mode. If will no QRSS activity, will switch to OPERA mode. http://rn3aus-lf-grabber.narod.ru 73 de rn3aus/Alex Hello LF! RN3AUS grabber is ON (TDY and TMR) in QRSS-60 mode. If will no QRSS activity, will switch to OPERA mode. http://rn3aus-lf-grabber.narod.ru [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.69.128.71 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 RATWARE_MPOP_WEBMAIL Bulk email fingerprint (mPOP Web-Mail) 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rn3aus[at]mail.ru) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.1 FROM_EXCESS_BASE64 From: base64 encoded unnecessarily X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: LF: =?UTF-8?B?Uk4zQVVTIGdyYWJiZXIgT04u?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--ALT--3w0PMBfI1340382222" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:301419040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m017.2 ; domain : mail.ru DKIM : fail X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fe49c4d6575 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ----ALT--3w0PMBfI1340382222 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGVsbG8gTEYhClJOM0FVUyBncmFiYmVyIGlzIE9OIChURFkgYW5kIFRNUikgaW4gUVJTUy02MCBt b2RlLiBJZiB3aWxsIG5vIFFSU1MgYWN0aXZpdHksIHdpbGwgc3dpdGNoIHRvIE9QRVJBIG1vZGUu Cmh0dHA6Ly9ybjNhdXMtbGYtZ3JhYmJlci5uYXJvZC5ydQoKNzMgZGUgcm4zYXVzL0FsZXgKCiAK ICAK ----ALT--3w0PMBfI1340382222 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 CjxIVE1MPjxCT0RZPkhlbGxvIExGITxicj5STjNBVVMgZ3JhYmJlciBpcyBPTiAoVERZIGFuZCBU TVIpIGluIFFSU1MtNjAgbW9kZS4gSWYgd2lsbCBubyBRUlNTIGFjdGl2aXR5LCB3aWxsIHN3aXRj aCB0byBPUEVSQSBtb2RlLjxicj5odHRwOi8vcm4zYXVzLWxmLWdyYWJiZXIubmFyb2QucnU8YnI+ PGJyPjczIGRlIHJuM2F1cy9BbGV4PGJyPjxiciBzdHlsZT0ib3ZlcmZsb3c6IGF1dG87IiBkaXI9 Imx0ciIgaWQ9InRpbnltY2UiIGNsYXNzPSJtY2VDb250ZW50Qm9keSAiIGNvbnRlbnRlZGl0YWJs ZT0idHJ1ZSI+Cgk8YmxvY2txdW90ZSBzdHlsZT0iYm9yZGVyLWxlZnQ6MXB4IHNvbGlkICMwODU3 QTY7IG1hcmdpbjoxMHB4OyBwYWRkaW5nOjAgMCAwIDEwcHg7IiBjbGFzcz0ibWFpbHJ1LWJsb2Nr cXVvdGUiPjxkaXYgaWQ9IiI+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0ianMtaGVscGVyIGpzLXJlYWRtc2ctbXNnIj4K CgkKPC9kaXY+CgoKCgoKCgo8L2Rpdj4KPC9ibG9ja3F1b3RlPgo8YnI+PC9CT0RZPjwvSFRNTD4K ----ALT--3w0PMBfI1340382222-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EA86538000089; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbC1w-0000Us-Mp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:43:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbC1w-0000Uj-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:43:44 +0100 Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbC1u-0001rh-DS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:43:43 +0100 Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hqhj1j0031GhbT854qjgV1; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:43:40 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hqjg1j00F0CFS1j3TqjgBl; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:43:40 +0000 Message-ID: <00a201cd4197$444c2340$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:43:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 2.1 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: <2 cents> It seems only a couple folks are requesting an immediate shutdown of blacksheep. Why not let both run simultaneously for some time and see which wins out? It should be a simple matter to judge, after a period of time, which is more popular. [...] Content analysis details: (2.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.40 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D 0.0 FAKE_REPLY_C FAKE_REPLY_C X-Scan-Signature: 59677119386dcf9f1872cb454dc1331d Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:294346912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40924fcb78557ec5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none <2 cents> It seems only a couple folks are requesting an immediate shutdown of blacksheep. Why not let both run simultaneously for some time and see which wins out? It should be a simple matter to judge, after a period of time, which is more popular. Some folks (me included) are not interested in having their messages archived for eternity ... or looking for a place to upload articles or pictures of a new gadget. There are other simple options for doing this outside of yahoo. I don't want to notified each time someone uploads a new snapshot. I'm set up to receive both yahoo and blacksheep via e mail so don't see the 'fuss' to receive both. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A50A238000133; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Siqwa-0007c7-PS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:49:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Siqwa-0007by-9C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:49:52 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiqwY-0002tJ-OR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:49:51 +0100 Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so1834762wib.10 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qxN8velzZhdpzUYlA/TnXSMC5HMT22SYZXDSDdClnTY=; b=QPg8Bey65kOG053IBCtOxWA9J30L8uMGVKnOe+obRXePwNRT87SqehtdYDcHSRU5h1 KZaRtWN+F3z9ANoPtJEnuTuCCZAXzbJIUexCblkOx1iH5PEDxvLPMJ5j6034VwBFGONH F1EJz7zLCxxiszkXjuUfKvVFVE9koDeExfoU8N/iBfu5xdYTp9uUQinlzMvWHzoorB4G TRXiDOdIi4L8d2aeacTZkfKAM2a67gk4nlvTSJ/tICjxcwzHkE6axd/2d9Pd2d0bptrU xv5WKcsDA0uQH9Qy3jfjigl22CjgAWe42JW/QS5FQrcjh5GOboytn5vXP2XnzZ2Gi4Xa DF7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.98.69 with SMTP id eg5mr19191361wib.3.1340560189745; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000901cd522f$a0b3f060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <000901cd522f$a0b3f060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:49:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK going even further OT John Pitcairn (father of Robert Pitcairn, of the eponymous islands) is buried in the crypt beneath my Church (Christ Church in the City of Boston, otherwise known as Old North Church). [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:418717600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d017.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fe753774be3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none OK going even further OT John Pitcairn (father of Robert Pitcairn, of the eponymous islands) is buried in the crypt beneath my Church (Christ Church in the City of Boston, otherwise known as Old North Church). 73 Warren K2ORS On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 1:34 PM, mal hamilton wrote= : > =A0=A0=A0 Graham > Reference Pitcairn Is. > I spent some time around=A0these=A0Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spen= t > Christmas on Christmas Island 1958 > See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and al= l > that !! especially South Hotel St > I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 metres= . > I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. > Daytime very quiet. > g3kev > > > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F30EC3800009D; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUv6-0005aW-9k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:31:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjUv5-0005aL-Oh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:30:59 +0100 Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjUv4-0005yw-18 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:30:58 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=mail.dk; s=dkim512; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@mail.dk; t=1340713855; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Reply-To:X-TDCLU:X-TDC-Sender-From-IP:X-TDCCM:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=opf556DH8nWanCYGJDGILlkh9krwP2NgcQURvd8AehA=; b=mW+uDklYpP/3qnSwlcDRCAFEDFfEFLDKaq+0MffTga1SnNdocL1ZTAR4aIWyCup1 ZY1bZQcQOG8wlUw9b0giDw==; X-TDCO-HELO: oz7foc X-TDC-Sender-From-IP: 80.162.212.91 X-TDCCM: v=2.0 cv=EJSxGxGO c=1 sm=0 a=2xLUAJHh/5GXj+iJBlPxmQ==:17 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=UxXfPvZESZ71XRZxn6cA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=bnqIc7hgryEYcXtqV3kA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=2xLUAJHh/5GXj+iJBlPxmQ==:117 X-TDCLU: MTIwMTAxNDE5Mjcw Received: from [80.162.212.91] ([80.162.212.91:27668] helo=oz7foc) by fep42.mail.dk (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.50 r()) with ESMTPA id F8/B5-07981-F7BA9EF4; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:30:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Niels Rask" To: References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> <4FE9A825.2060607@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:31:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: hi stefan ok i try to b qrv from 20z on 472,5 cw de oz7foc ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: 472khz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.41.46.225 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f1498eebf16822c5ea85527a90413169 Subject: Re: LF: 472khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0411_01CD5397.8DCAD5E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485611328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m014.2 ; domain : mail.dk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a4fe9abb1774a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0411_01CD5397.8DCAD5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi stefan ok i try to b qrv from 20z on 472,5 cw de oz7foc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: 472khz Niels, Are you QRV this evening? I am QRV in CW on 472 kHz as well. I would = like to try today, maybe 21 UTC or so? Looking forward to hear and see my first station from OZ below 1 MHz! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.06.2012 12:15, schrieb Niels Rask:=20 now i got my permission to 472-479 khz . am qrv on cw de oz7foc/niels ------=_NextPart_000_0411_01CD5397.8DCAD5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi stefan ok i try to b qrv from 20z on = 472,5 cw de=20 oz7foc
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 12:16=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 472khz

Niels,

Are you QRV this evening? I am QRV in CW = on 472=20 kHz as well. I would like to try today, maybe 21 UTC or so?
Looking = forward=20 to hear and see my first station from OZ below 1 MHz!

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 26.06.2012 12:15, schrieb Niels Rask:=20
now i got my permission to 472-479 = khz .=20 am qrv on cw
de=20 oz7foc/niels
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Content preview: Victor, This will do the trick http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ OPERA v1.4.1 [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.39 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e4383209d2ccb9552700d53c0b540538 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:214523376:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084fd23db11620 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Victor, This will do the trick http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ OPERA v1.4.1 73, Albert From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8E99538002BA1; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh35X-0005EN-54 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:23:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh35W-0005EE-NY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:23:38 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh35U-0005aO-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:23:37 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.187]) by mwinf5d69 with ME id QJPb1j00J42DYwa03JPbNZ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:23:36 +0200 Message-ID: <036EE742A47047668A704A59E8783090@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <008a01cd4e46$1eaace00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <008a01cd4e46$1eaace00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:23:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:05 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Everything is made of straw !!!! even my HAT made in Malaya, designer = label 9M2CC Is there another material ???????? =20 G3KEV/9M2CC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw??? 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01CD4E51.0566E7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As long  as  you  don't get  confused  for = the  'Wicker Man'    !!!!
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034

Everything is made of straw !!!! even my HAT = made in=20 Malaya, designer label 9M2CC  Is there another material=20  ???????? 
G3KEV/9M2CC
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 5:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay = 034

Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of=20 straw???

73, Stefan

Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal = hamilton:=20
Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0090_01CD4E51.0566E7C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5C57F380000B4; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh7tO-0007MH-U6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:31:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh7tO-0007M8-6g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:31:26 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh7tM-000795-7h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:31:25 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5JNVMZN027983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:31:23 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5JNVMxP031087 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:31:22 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE10B61.7060202@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:29:37 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5JNVMZN027983 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, I took the QRSS/CW beacon signal from IQ2MI as the test signal. It was very well audible here, R5. It was interesting to see the deep QSB. Both, my small active antenna and the transmit antenna show the same S/N but maybe it would be useful to use a antenna switch to compare the S/N without having a time delay (changing the antenna cables), due to the QSB... 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It was=20 very well audible here, R5. It was interesting to see the deep QSB.=20 Both, my small active antenna and the transmit antenna show the same S/N=20 but maybe it would be useful to use a antenna switch to compare the S/N=20 without having a time delay (changing the antenna cables), due to the QSB= ... 73s.. Am 20.06.2012 00:44, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > Rik, MF, > > Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much=20 > better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem.=20 > Maybe you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? > > It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that=20 > many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops=20 > that were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. > > I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test=20 > signals from amateurs. > > 73, Stefan > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 882D7380000A0; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si2gK-0005Jl-69 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:09:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si2gJ-0005Jc-Mc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:09:43 +0100 Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si2gH-00040M-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:09:42 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.54] by nm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 12:09:40 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 12:09:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 12:09:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 399142.82165.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 31876 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2012 12:09:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=FAfWHuaGO9+MhaJ1NMB93xx0J1cOWF4B762sOhYMa4InXqNxSXFTk+hL216PZg+EXWER/Pb5mhGk4iwpXxJmtZqypCCqwcAA6R81Zy2hOZhg5pN6hiCfMyigYR1ZvwuwIXMYHS8v6UtcDWhmUOHMj5fVbBnCYzcSj3AWILn//+s= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1340366980; bh=3lY1ztaoXKmr461UBbHdC56+1Z7p7mQofjntiBc2KPk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=kzaFUOn4lwVDLDpqyc8wsV5EaP+fMLuADZcxWF+jgLi4jmeqnY/S4ndbDvM2wzDQ2RP2xYalHufCgUyZsqlwaqxgPZy4LFEnK2NvODn3BmOtM3q/KwmqogDBCXtAxqSJKALaGSDPuCcu2g8c63E9cFCvyS3WwcArPari3XtHaLo= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: CBSAPOUVM1mXpgowrr8zsH7HIBVrS42eAHrzS7IagTp__ko w0UV.rw8sNWbsjT_nOyYztJrw0GAcvatPinNYBJO8_NBz2YGF4iNVLsgSno5 EeU7iAbZWlh6ZYCOvvrFcBoBModLTxCIh4_QPPvcXS39ZdkU1FsrmPMQ7tVM NbuxG1HR3RkF6668zo1wPTKPpxibjIp13f8k1vl3ogy17ruIIxKpy_iZ96bs mZJz9zuaf4MG1EH7Fq4s67m7kMRrbhZTB6A7IXPT61mVo_Hn.PSclePdGaaI OBuIVX2bSo7x7QYfSaEx0Lhm8iYaA7ZAQwtT3jl4TOal1mugUqvF.wNSuWkD lKN5Z4S2TQhtySn8V_rMhbZX3..0YcFm6JJcFHSsPxmydU2c4iDvQ8qhh0mL c0jEPPsTMIm6j0MDFDVMruKmR X-Yahoo-SMTP: fpz.2VeswBBs59bVshRPmMN51lcO2lgFRIvE4XTqE8dRwOxd70E- Received: from lark (alan.melia@109.145.215.32 with login) by smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2012 05:09:40 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <001901cd5070$2a261330$4001a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> <6FDC0CECCC3645EB922AF21E66965518@AGB> <90E09B502D3D481992365586D42423DA@AGB> <5D772617FCC94283913EDABE7CB175FE@gnat> <5D44E645126C4841A77C08064C39E92C@AGB> <0A95C758FACE461EB248D3CE5650202E@AGB> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:09:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.2001 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2001 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120622-0, 22/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok wrong interpretation in the last email. The folded back section would seem to be a "spoiler" to me. It would seem to me to be better to slope it away out of the plane of the top-wire and radial (out of the plane of the drawing) if possible. I "think" this would give some advatage :-)) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.21 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: d7907c3bf895ca41e0bedc3fa074f0d4 Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:400114688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d296.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d94fe460d57956 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Ok wrong interpretation in the last email. The folded back section would seem to be a "spoiler" to me. It would seem to me to be better to slope it away out of the plane of the top-wire and radial (out of the plane of the drawing) if possible. I "think" this would give some advatage :-)) Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:01 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? oK Alan This would be the lay-out, the lower run would be about 10 ft up from the raised radial , which may increase the ae amps in the vertical section ? when you say , reduce the affective height , ....... top wire is still at 40 ft , far end of the top wire slopes to ground as is , This may increase the amps to ground , at the far end of the top wire , then cause the vertical section feed to increase ? G. From: Alan Melia Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:22 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Grahan .mmmmm 10 feet?? that could reduce your effective height to 10feet makingi it 6dB (maybe not quite that bad) worse than the 40 foot pole on its own. The only plus point would be if that "radial" gives you a substantial reduction in ground loss.....which I doubt is the case. Seriously you do need to measure it to get the best out of a difficult situation.......no amount of urban myth will give the right answer. Remember higher "aerial current" is no use if its going straight to ground (like a shunt cap across the feed point) and not traversing the radiation resistance. You want as much current as possible to flow though the radiation resistance (the vertical bit connected to the feed point) then you want a big cap (=low impedance) from the top of the loading coil to earth for the "return current" (low loss resistance) Not a very technical way of describing it :-)) even capacitance from the active pole to ground gives some loss....the inductive top load reduces that by reducing the voltage on that section. Alan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BD87838000087; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgU7r-0008QN-Tk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:03:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgU7r-0008QE-9l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:03:43 +0100 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1SgU7p-0001hV-0b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:03:42 +0100 Received: from Vaio3 (d198.HkanagawaFL27.vectant.ne.jp [222.228.202.198]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5AA2E35914 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:03:36 +0900 (JST) From: "7L1RLL-Rick" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:03:23 +0900 Organization: RLL Message-ID: <016c01cd4d0f$affaf480$0501a8c0@Vaio3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Thread-Index: Ac1K3UINbpKgOQBJTWyPe2LoysbY4ACMDRtw X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Albert, I have installed two copies of Opera 142_beta on both W7 and XP machine. But the assigned frequencies are something off-band after January 1st 2013. 477kHz (USB) Op8 (478.5-478.6kHz) will be no problem in world wide, but Op4 (478.6-479.8kHz) may be 478.6kHz to 478.8kHz. Please confirm above if it is typographic error. 73 Rick Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: RE: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:392599552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40834fdeb70639bc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Albert, I have installed two copies of Opera 142_beta on both W7 and XP machine. But the assigned frequencies are something off-band after January 1st 2013. 477kHz (USB) Op8 (478.5-478.6kHz) will be no problem in world wide, but Op4 (478.6-479.8kHz) may be 478.6kHz to 478.8kHz. Please confirm above if it is typographic error. 73 Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Albert Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:55 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 94781380000BF; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SinT4-0005vl-QR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:07:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SinT4-0005va-CE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:07:10 +0100 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SinT0-000209-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:07:09 +0100 Received: by wejx9 with SMTP id x9so4379741wej.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fr8q6LCdUIYpb6HFCwLWdh8OkbtaFwvyesQS8mzEows=; b=dUCBw9jSBCBHc5JYwaojd5XhYXiw735ZZOx3VCbru0YQFeCI3x232msEAg53fNKtbV /nS2SK3oZqzRikNF7zYHj2I8CegjdPjmUWKw+1GmjiOQzgGxwdLByTef9iccgUlguest qDWh2Iy/HpAlF67ZQh95oYthN4Cs8viN8YwMdP+awNPH5XuJHpBQBpe1lHGMPWOWB7Na EaZuGxdzoqrhGA5Lt/xqu9mkOcZrCBcZl8IFXZs3hIL5vTzMxExVXNkxILhdwHPQ5wnt FT010/aouH3cRcwvCl8bJciydoXM/tnfdvcYlShKy3mHDBW8GL8bRsCMxQMHFNg01HYa zKsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.109.194 with SMTP id hu2mr17838650wib.0.1340546825657; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.204 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:07:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FE71CBD.9070006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <009e01cd5201$1cd21f70$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <4FE71CBD.9070006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:07:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, This is not for the LF loop tuner, which uses a 15kV vacuum variable and is working fine. The capacitor is for a balanced, link-coupled HF tuner. I should have marked my post as OT. 73 Warren [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c0e6e8bcdc231effb9da2003d606d9a2 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:511067072:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m413.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fe71f3c75a7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, This is not for the LF loop tuner, which uses a 15kV vacuum variable and is working fine. The capacitor is for a balanced, link-coupled HF tuner. I should have marked my post as OT. 73 Warren On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Probably, if Warren wants to have replacement parts for his transmit loop > tuner, then he will need parts of another league. 4 kV is nothing as well= as > 10 A RF current in a loop is nothing :-) > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 24.06.2012 14:00, schrieb Clemens Paul: > >> Hi Warren, >> >> perhaps you might might find something suitable there: >> http://www.schubert-gehaeuse.de/prod04.htm >> >> They have - among other stuff - =A0split stator cap. kits up to >> 2x15-280pF 2kV/4kV (DKS8). >> >> >> You can also order every single part for building e.g. a split stator >> capacitor, >> so you maybe could realize other values. >> >> >> 73 >> Clemens >> DL4RAJ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" >> To: "rsgb_lf_group" >> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:19 PM >> Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? >> >> >> Hello the list, >> =A0Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester >> which now has taken over Jackson Bros? >> I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced >> link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> >> ----- >> E-Mail ist virenfrei. >> Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de >> Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virendatenbank: 2437/5088 - Ausgabedatum: >> 23.06.2012 >> >> > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9F99D38000094; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 06:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScwrF-0007br-W5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 11:55:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScwrF-0007bi-Fw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 11:55:57 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScwrD-0007Ab-GV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 11:55:56 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q58AtrWI005555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:55:54 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q58AtrgW010753 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:55:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:54:20 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF! Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49FV26GJ). If someone of the others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some images to http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. 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Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49FV26GJ). If someone of the others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some images to http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AB45038000085; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHei-0005qz-CW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:44:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHeh-0005qq-N4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:44:07 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbHef-0003dz-LF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:44:06 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6ACF134321; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:44:02 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 151qFcur80464M02; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:43:59 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.3] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID164qFcur85891X02; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:43:59 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.3 IN dibene@usa.net imap03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID164qFcur85891X02 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.22.185] by imap03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 772qFcur79616M23; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:43:58 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.22.185 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:43:55 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-1, 06/03/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID772qFcur79616X23 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 6/3/2012 7:30 PM, pws wrote: > I'm running Beagle on Gnome for indexing and search for any kind of > information stored locally. > > Postings, images and other "information" which are "Googleable" > or "Yapooable" will be more a problem than a feature in the > future. > > There's only one advantage using those modern, advertisement > driven open systems. You always have to keep in mind: > "don't post when coming from pub." > > So, please tell me what is "outdated" here? What is outdated is the fact that to use your technique of finding relevant contents, one would be forced to store everything locally.... then of course any decent tool like Google Desktop can index and find what one is interested in. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fb3e28a759dea7e01d34d3fe7de7ae98 Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Getting rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080100040300000201040902" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427380544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554fcbccd00dba X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080100040300000201040902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/3/2012 7:30 PM, pws wrote: > I'm running Beagle on Gnome for indexing and search for any kind of > information stored locally. > > Postings, images and other "information" which are "Googleable" > or "Yapooable" will be more a problem than a feature in the > future. > > There's only one advantage using those modern, advertisement > driven open systems. You always have to keep in mind: > "don't post when coming from pub." > > So, please tell me what is "outdated" here? What is outdated is the fact that to use your technique of finding relevant contents, one would be forced to store everything locally.... then of course any decent tool like Google Desktop can index and find what one is interested in. IMHO, it is much more intelligent and rationale to have a central repository, where everything is archived, instead of duplicating on each user PC all the past messages of the group. 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------080100040300000201040902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/3/2012 7:30 PM, pws wrote: 
I'm running Beagle on Gnome for indexing and search =
for any kind of
information stored locally.

Postings, images and other "information" which are "Googleable"
or "Yapooable" will be more a problem than a feature in the
future.

There's only one advantage using those modern, advertisement
driven open systems. You always have to keep in mind:
"don't post when coming from pub."

So, please tell me what is "outdated" here?
What is outdated is the fact that to use your technique of finding relevant contents,
one would be forced to store everything locally.... then of course any decent tool
like Google Desktop can index and find what one is interested in.
IMHO, it is much more intelligent and rationale to have a central repository, where
everything is archived, instead of duplicating on each user PC all the past messages of
the group.

73=A0 Alberto=A0 I2PHD

 --------------080100040300000201040902-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DCEB4380000B1; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYpP-0004ZV-F6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:04:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYpO-0004ZM-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:04:18 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbYpL-0007Gr-L4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:04:17 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AigFAArOzE9cF/ub/2dsb2JhbABEhU6ZBYUDh2ABiHSBCIITBQEBBQgBAQMWMwIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKIQICFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBCYdjAw8HpCeIPg2JTooxYBuEY4ESA409iG2JbIR7gmCBXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,713,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="393337517" Received: from host-92-23-251-155.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.251.155]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 16:04:13 +0100 Message-ID: <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:04:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Roger You are not keeping track of what is going on. I said earlier I would like an open democratic vote to take place on both reflectors. Open and transparent in simple language state your preference openly on the reflectors and not a closed shop vote via Yahoo only. Again I say there was nothing wrong with the old Blacksheep reflector it served its purpose well so why change. For me and others as expressed on here we do not need an archieve files system for either email input or picture uploads, just an activity alert system with small email attachments. End of story. The transition from one to the other was too rapid without consultation, had it been otherwise perhaps there would not have been so much controversey taking place. I have not voted for the reasons specified above. What ever the outcome I will not lose any sleep over it !!! but at least my opinion was heard. As far as possible I want to be in control of my files and other material that I have an interest in and not to be in the pockets of others. I can see your point of view that directs you in the opposite direction but that is your choice. This discussion at present is wasting too much of my DX ing time on all of the amateur bands especially 137 Khz to 50 Mhz, which is open fairly frequently these days. In between Horticultural outside activites ie planting, hay cutting, hedge cutting etc I am monitoring 136.5 and 502 Khz and 50.1 Mhz at the present time. For those so equipped pse call and I will respond on CW De mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: cdd2770020a136d9631c7b77577b7e9a Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F0_01CD4263.4CB3F4F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:518522912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574fccce9d4041 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01CD4263.4CB3F4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger You are not keeping track of what is going on. I said earlier I would like an open democratic vote to take place on = both reflectors. Open and transparent in simple language state your = preference openly on the reflectors and not a closed shop vote via Yahoo = only.=20 Again I say there was nothing wrong with the old Blacksheep reflector it = served its purpose well so why change. For me and others as expressed on = here we do not need an archieve files system for either email input or = picture uploads, just an activity alert system with small email = attachments. End of story. The transition from one to the other was too = rapid without consultation, had it been otherwise perhaps there would = not have been so much controversey taking place. I have not voted for the reasons specified above. What ever the outcome = I will not lose any sleep over it !!! but at least my opinion was heard. As far as possible I want to be in control of my files and other = material that I have an interest in and not to be in the pockets of = others. I can see your point of view that directs you in the opposite direction = but that is your choice. This discussion at present is wasting too much of my DX ing time on all = of the amateur bands especially 137 Khz to 50 Mhz, which is open fairly = frequently these days. In between Horticultural outside activites ie = planting, hay cutting, hedge cutting etc I am monitoring 136.5 and 502 = Khz and 50.1 Mhz at the present time. For those so equipped pse call and = I will respond on CW De mal/g3kev =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 2:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Mal, We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful = inputs.=20 By the way, have you voted yet? 73s=20 Roger -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 14:26, "mal hamilton" wrote: I am only quoting what you published reference items 9 and 10. In = some other messages from you there is also mention of vetting and = banning. Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to be = concerned.=20 I am merely pointing out concerns that I have about some of your = postings where vetting and banning keeps cropping up. My argument and others is that one should be allowed to get their = opinion heard without fear or favour and I do no like to bombarded with = words that imply restrictive practice. I am not aware of any attack going on but surely I am permitted to = challenge what others say, if it effects me and in this case the move to = the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as well and they are = expressing their opinions daily.=20 It particularly effects me since I am one of the few radio amateurs = that are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice on the reflector is = useful to update activity, propagation conditions, DX alerts and = technical data about changes of equipment, power etc. Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW or Opera.=20 de g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 12:33 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead = .....PLEASE Dear Mal, Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not = me.=20 Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" = wrote: Reference postings from G3XBM I am concerned about items 9 and 10 Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those = VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a = different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR What ever happens avoid him as a moderator de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan Melia ; Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer ; Markus Vester ; James Moritz=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest = that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group? In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, = outages, or problems with any group to which I belong or moderate. Instead they have had these advantages: 1.. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves = cluttered in-boxes) 2.. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes = before messages are received.=20 3.. All messages are archived and searchable. 4.. Large files can be stored.=20 5.. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.=20 6.. Links can be stored/shared=20 7.. Videos can be stored.=20 8.. Polls can be run.=20 9.. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of = moderators to speed up the process)=20 10.. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional = circumstances.=20 11.. Spam messages can be filtered 12.. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests = etc)=20 The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot = understand why the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this = week it is surely time. To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or = whatever) would take about 30 seconds and migration to it by all = interested members here would take about a day at most. All you need is = to agree a group name, who owns it, who can moderate posts and some = basic group ground rules/FAQs. Please, think about it again.=20 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01CD4263.4CB3F4F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Roger
You are not keeping track of what is going=20 on.
I said earlier I would like an open democratic = vote to=20 take place on both reflectors. Open and transparent in simple language = state=20 your preference openly on the reflectors and not a closed shop vote via = Yahoo=20 only.
Again I say there was nothing wrong with the old = Blacksheep reflector it served its purpose well so why change. For me = and others=20 as expressed on here we do not need an archieve files system for either = email=20 input or picture uploads, just an activity alert system with small email = attachments. End of story. The transition from one to the other was too = rapid=20 without consultation, had it been otherwise perhaps there would not have = been so=20 much controversey taking place.
I have not voted for the reasons specified = above. What=20 ever the outcome I will not lose any sleep over it !!! but at least my = opinion=20 was heard.
As far as possible I want to be in control of my = files and other material that I have an interest in and not to = be in=20 the pockets of others.
I can see your point of view=20 that directs you in the opposite direction but that is = your=20 choice.
This discussion at present is wasting too much = of my DX=20 ing time on all of the amateur bands especially 137 Khz to 50 Mhz, which = is open=20 fairly frequently these days. In between Horticultural outside = activites ie=20 planting, hay cutting, hedge cutting etc I am monitoring 136.5 and 502 = Khz and=20 50.1 Mhz at the present time. For those so equipped pse call = and  I=20 will respond on CW
De mal/g3kev
 
  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger=20 Lapthorn
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: An = "LF-reflector"=20 Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

Mal,

We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful = inputs. 

By the way, have you voted yet?

73s 
Roger

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 14:26, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

I am only quoting what you published = reference items 9=20 and 10. In some other messages from you there is also mention of = vetting and=20 banning. Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to = be=20 concerned.
 I am merely pointing out concerns that = I have=20 about some of your postings where vetting and banning keeps = cropping=20 up.
My argument and others is that one = should be=20 allowed to get their opinion heard without fear or favour and I do = no like=20 to bombarded with words that imply restrictive = practice.
I am not aware of any attack going on = but surely=20 I am permitted to challenge what others say, if it effects me = and in=20 this case the move to the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as = well=20 and they are expressing their opinions daily.
It particularly effects me since I am one of = the few=20 radio amateurs that are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a = voice=20 on the reflector is useful to update activity, propagation = conditions, DX alerts and technical data about = changes of=20 equipment, power etc.
Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie = CW=20 or Opera.
 
de g3kev
   
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 12:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: An=20 "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

Dear Mal,

Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? = Not=20 me. 

Please, stop this personal and nasty hate = campaign. 

73s
Roger
G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

Reference postings from = G3XBM
I am concerned about items 9  and=20 10
Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT = members=20 banned.
Sounds like a POLICE state and what are = the=20 credentials of those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member = probably=20 someone who has a different opinion or point of view from his or = even a=20 sense of HUMOUR
What ever happens avoid him as a=20 moderator
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn =
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20 ; Alan Melia ; Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer ; Markus=20 Vester ; James Moritz =
Sent: Wednesday, May = 23, 2012=20 9:51 PM
Subject: LF: An = "LF-reflector"=20 Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

With the latest outage (5 days already) may I = again=20 suggest that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo = group?

In=20 over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, = or=20 problems with any group to which I belong or = moderate.

Instead=20 they have had these advantages:
  1. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves = cluttered=20 in-boxes)
  2. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes = before=20 messages are received.=20
  3. All messages are archived and searchable.
  4. Large files can be stored.=20
  5. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.=20
  6. Links can be stored/shared=20
  7. Videos can be stored.=20
  8. Polls can be run.=20
  9. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of = moderators=20 to speed up the process)=20
  10. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional = circumstances.=20
  11. Spam messages can be filtered
  12. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests = etc)=20
The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply = cannot=20 understand why the change hasn't made years ago. With the = problems=20 this week it is surely time.

To set up a new Yahoo = group called=20 "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would take about 30 seconds and = migration=20 to it by all interested members here would take about a day at = most.=20 All you need is to agree a group name, who owns it, who can = moderate=20 posts and some basic group ground rules/FAQs.

Please, = think=20 about it again.

73s
Roger G3XBM

--=20
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

=
------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01CD4263.4CB3F4F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA4A938000081; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScfvZ-0003BV-NC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:51:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScfvZ-0003BM-0L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:51:17 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.laposte.net ([193.253.67.226] helo=smtpout.laposte.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScfvW-0002zn-BO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:51:15 +0100 Received: from wwinf8219 ([10.99.54.224]) by mwinf8501-out with ME id KUrD1j00A4qF5ki03UrDae; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:51:13 +0200 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:51:13 +0200 From: "manginbenoit.pro" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <1681559339.753475.1339087873235.JavaMail.www@wwinf8219> In-Reply-To: <4FD09E40.2050308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> <4FD0999E.3080206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1608727203.579919.1339071424127.JavaMail.www@wwinf8307> <4FD09E40.2050308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [82.246.206.85] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: This is the eternal question... QRSS is quite easier and most probably the only solution for most of us BUT: We are a quite a large lot to look forward "operator-hands-and-ears" CW activity. If 137 was more populated, maybe wouldn't it be so hard to QSO in regular CW, even with veeeeeeeery low ERPs. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [193.253.67.226 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (manginbenoit.pro[at]laposte.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 52d17ee6003fa6763aae891a69410baf Subject: Re: LF: MF Allocation (was:VX9MRC 504.1 kHz) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_753474_649698841.1339087873234" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446945856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fd0dc533d9c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_Part_753474_649698841.1339087873234 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the eternal question... QRSS is quite easier and most probably the only solution for most of us BUT= : We are a quite a large lot to look forward "operator-hands-and-ears" CW a= ctivity. If 137 was more populated, maybe wouldn't it be so hard to QSO in regular C= W, even with veeeeeeeery low ERPs.=20 That should be peanuts for you Stefan, once you get on the air another mons= trous signal. On MF, the problem is similar, although antenna efficiency is greater, and = CW should be easier.=20 Passionned with 160 meters, I would also focus on CW for MF 630 meters, wit= h probably a bit of slow CW beaconing or QSO, but just for fun. The no-comp= uter approach is something of a challenge. Remember, CW is "Man versus Machine !!!". 73 Ben > Message du 07/06/12 14:32 > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > Hi Ben, >=20 > I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small PA and = a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and so i w= ill not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within the band, hopef= ully. That makes things easier. > On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, maybe e= ven no computer. However Speclab would be fine to get an overview of the ba= nd activity and offers nice filter and noise reduction tools... > I'm really excited how the band will be populated. It's not so far away f= rom 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole for 80m, = configured as a T antenna will work reasonable if a suitable earth is avail= able. >=20 > But what's the problem in France? You have so much space for large antenn= as, don't you? Or do you live in Paris City? :-) >=20 > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > Am 07.06.2012 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:=20 Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP. >=20 > My "reasonable" setup indicates me that triple that value could be necess= ary... >=20 > CU there >=20 > Ben >=20 >=20 >=20 > Message du 07/06/12 14:12 > > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > > > I only heared some rumours about the permission starting January, 1st,= =20 > > 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is given out on th= e=20 > > Ham Radio 2012 (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php= )=20 > > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more realistic. > >=20 > > Time to build a suitable loading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH= =20 > > only... > >=20 > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > >=20 > > Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > > > Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles)=20 > > > granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ? > > > > > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our=20 > > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > Ben > >=20 > >=20 Une messagerie gratuite, garantie =C3=A0 vie et des services en plus, =C3= =A7a vous tente ? Je cr=C3=A9e ma bo=C3=AEte mail www.laposte.net ------=_Part_753474_649698841.1339087873234 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the eternal question...

QRSS is quite easier and most pr= obably the only solution for most of us BUT: We are a quite a large lot to&= nbsp;look forward "operator-hands-and-ears" CW activity= .

If 137 was more populated, maybe wouldn't it be so hard to QSO= in regular CW, even with veeeeeeeery low ERPs.

That should be = peanuts for you Stefan, once you get on the air another monstrous signal.
On MF, the problem is similar, although antenna efficiency is gre= ater, and CW should be easier.
Passionned with 160 meters, I would al= so focus on CW for MF 630 meters, with probably a bit of slow CW beaconing = or QSO, but just for fun. The no-computer approach is something of a challe= nge.

Remember, CW is "Man versus Machine !!!".
73

Ben




> Mess= age du 07/06/12 14:32
> De : "Stefan Schäfer"
= > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Copie à :
>= Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
>
> Hi Ben,
> > I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small P= A and a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and = so i will not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within the band,= hopefully. That makes things easier.
> On MF i plan to focus on pl= ain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, maybe even no computer. However Spec= lab would be fine to get an overview of the band activity and offers nice f= ilter and noise reduction tools...
> I'm really excited how the ban= d will be populated. It's not so far away from 1800 kHz and an ordinary ama= teur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole for 80m, configured as a T antenna will w= ork reasonable if a suitable earth is available.
>
> But w= hat's the problem in France? You have so much space for large antennas, don= 't you? Or do you live in Paris City? :-)
>
> 73, Stefan/D= K7FC
>
> Am 07.06.2012 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP= .
>
> My "reasonable" setup indicates me that  triple that value could be necessary...
>
> C= U there
>
> Ben
>
>
> > Message du 07/06/12 14:12
> > De : "Stefan Sch&au= ml;fer"
> > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> > Copie à :
> > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1= kHz
> >
> > I only heared some rumours about the per= mission starting January, 1st,
> > 2013, here in DL. Also i hea= rd rumours that a permit is given out on the
> > Ham Radio 2012= (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/in= dex.php)
> > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 = is more realistic.
> >
> > Time to build a suitable = loading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH
> > only...
= > >
> > 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> >
> > A= m 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:
> > > Are there= other EU countries (apart from the British Isles)
> > > gra= nting MF access to the amateur service so fast ?
> > >
&= gt; > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper fro= m our
> > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well = informed.
> > >
> > > 73
> > >> > > Ben
> >
> >
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= --_9d04d723-74bb-41f6-b5f8-c2fc17e09b12_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CD9243800008D; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SanaE-00070V-FV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:37:30 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SanaD-00070M-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:37:29 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SanaB-0005Rq-LK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:37:28 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d10 with ME id HQdS1j00B0Lx2rm03QdTf1; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:37:27 +0200 Message-ID: <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:37:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Wow and that was just using the Op w/fall ! You could reduce to 2 watts and still decode ! Glad the system is working for you G.. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 14e68a9cb6dee915a96310ea9bf261c5 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007E_01CD40C4.D956BB40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461793824:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824fca0938020e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CD40C4.D956BB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow and that was just using the Op w/fall ! You could reduce to = 2 watts and still decode ! =20 Glad the system is working for you=20 G..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Thanks Paul Graham is right about QRG. My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer (not = affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial could be 503.275 ? +/- a bit ! G. From: Clemens Paul=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting What is the actual tx qrg then? Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: = 01.06.2012=20 ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CD40C4.D956BB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow   and that  was  just using the  = Op =20 w/fall !  You  could  reduce to  2 watts   = and  still  decode !  
 
Glad the  system  is  working  for  you =
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Thanks Paul
 
Graham is right about QRG.
 
My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC = keyer=20 (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer = looking.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:12
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

could be   503.275  ?   +/-   a=20 bit  !
 
G.

From: Clemens = Paul=20
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at = all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject:=20 LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
  =
E-Mail ist virenfrei.
Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de
Version:=20 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: 01.06.2012=20


------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CD40C4.D956BB40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 801D5380000AD; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlUZ-0000qi-4e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:48:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShlUY-0000qZ-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:48:26 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShlUW-0001eE-Ov for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:48:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.63]) by mwinf5d37 with ME id R5oM1j00J1MiB3W035oNiz; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:48:22 +0200 Message-ID: <6FDC0CECCC3645EB922AF21E66965518@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> In-Reply-To: <452F9ADDDA624E5EB9C8246BDDC6D264@gnat> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:48:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0115_01CD4FDE.6E0AD4B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81639 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448788640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fe35ea41e0d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01CD4FDE.6E0AD4B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0116_01CD4FDE.6E0AD4B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0116_01CD4FDE.6E0AD4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R Alan. Horizontal spread ......missing at the moment ... will have = another look out side , when the rain stops , horizontal open = box may be possible ..just=20 Tnx -G.. From: Alan Melia=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter too much :-)) The thing is to get as much wire as high as possible. Yes fold it back, = meander it....spacings less than about 2 feet dont add much over a = single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember this may reduce = the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase slightly = the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) = will probably halve you ground losses. It will do very little to = increase the radiation resistance. Your diagram is difficult to read but running one of the wires directly = under another will be of no benefit and may be worse than not having = it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at least 2 feet = aside before folding it back.......I think you get the idea. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: LF: InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? InV L Top wire config - Best Option ?? Any thoughts on the best configuration for the top wire ?? Tnx -G, ------=_NextPart_001_0116_01CD4FDE.6E0AD4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
R Alan.
 
Horizontal  spread  ......missing  at the  = moment=20 ...  will  have  another  look  out  = side  ,=20 when the  rain  stops ,  horizontal   = open  box=20 may  be  possible ..just
 
Tnx -G..

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: InV L Top wire config - Best Option=20 ??

Hi Graham it basically doesnt matter = too much =20 :-))
The thing is to get as much wire as = high as=20 possible. Yes fold it back, meander it....spacings less than about 2 = feet dont=20 add much over a single wire. Drop the end if you have to but remember = this may=20 reduce the signal slightly in that direction....but it will increase = slightly=20 the capacity to ground. be careful of the dropped ends they are high = voltage=20 points and may not be "family friendly" ...... doubling the = capacity to=20 ground ( note ground....not lossy roofs/foliage underneath) will = probably halve=20 you ground losses. It will do very little to increase the radiation=20 resistance.
 
Your diagram is difficult to read but = running one=20 of the wires directly under another will be of no benefit and may be = worse than=20 not having it......horizonltal spread is what you want, so pull it at = least 2=20 feet aside before folding it back.......I think you get the = idea.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 = 4:17=20 PM
Subject: LF: InV L Top wire = config - Best=20 Option ??

InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best Option = ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  configuration  = for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
Tnx -G,
 
 
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Wow, Andrey! Very good hell reception. Once again i didn't expect this would be possible in middle of June in 2000km! Oops, DF&NM should read DF6NM of course... I think i will run the beacon overnight until i need the transmitter for QSOs tomorrow... Maybe you can hear it? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:467535296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fd28a380fcc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Wow, Andrey! Very good hell reception. Once again i didn't expect this would be possible in middle of June in 2000km! Oops, DF&NM should read DF6NM of course... I think i will run the beacon overnight until i need the transmitter for QSOs tomorrow... Maybe you can hear it? QRG 137.0 once again... 73 from inside the old car :-) Stefan Am 09.06.2012 01:16, schrieb rn3agc: > Markus, > > Excellent propagation! Your signal 10-12 db, Stefan ~20 db (audible)! > > Opera: > 22:29 136 PA0WMR Op8 -30 dB > > 73 > Andrey > > > Andrey, thanks for the nice report! > At 22:30 I sent another test in DFCW, and SNR at the fieldday site had > improved to 30 dB. > > 73, > Markus (DF6NM) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C4BC038000083; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfTEq-0001dB-Jh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:54:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfTEq-0001d2-80 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:54:44 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfTEo-0005No-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:54:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.178.25] (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5F9sakL085028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:54:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:54:36 +0200 From: Albert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.33 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7b4dbd93955117b98f3a6ac4d7602f88 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I think we should proceed with caution we are fortunate in having the full allocation others may not be so lucky also some of the dormant NDBs may be activated rendering parts of the band unusable for some modes. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: What's with the Microphone in the shot Mal? Next thing you know there will be the shadow of a PC monitor on the wall....... closet Machine minder? ....... hee hee :-) 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Cc: Saturday, 9 June 2012, 16:54 Subject: LF: Emailing: Image016 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 66d07794ca19cd68f7d6cc289cd4ac18 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-682119852-1339278991=:62676" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:391670144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m232.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41094fd3c6dd5e3c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-682119852-1339278991=:62676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What's with the Microphone in the shot Mal? =0A=A0=0ANext thing you know th= ere will be the shadow of a PC monitor on the wall....... closet=A0Machine = minder? ....... hee hee :-)=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_______= _________________________=0A From: mal hamilton =0AT= o: rsgb =0ACc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.= uk =0ASent: Saturday, 9 June 2012, 16:54=0ASubject: LF: Emailing: Image016= =0A =0A=0A =0ALF =0AMk1 137 Khz secret weapon home built that has crossed= the Atlantic and =0Abeyond many times over the years on 137 using=A0both= =A0CW and QRS3. =0APA consists of 4 FETS in class D push pull driven from a= 13.7 Mhz vfo =0Asource and a divider/driver interface to arrive at 137. = =0A=0AMk2 version already in service=A0will appear =0Asoon =0Ag3kev ---357169082-682119852-1339278991=:62676 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What's with the Mic= rophone in the shot Mal?
 
Next thing you know there will be the shadow of a PC monitor on the wal= l....... closet Machine minder? ....... hee hee :-)
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co= .uk
Sent: Saturday, 9= June 2012, 16:54
Subject:= LF: Emailing: Image016

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---357169082-682119852-1339278991=:62676-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 067AE38000092; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 04:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdzuK-0005iK-Ds for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:23:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdzuJ-0005iB-MO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:23:27 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdzuH-0002qf-Ev for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:23:26 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqcFAMup1U9Ok8rY/2dsb2JhbABFnwaEf5BVgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKJRQBBBoGDAoIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPtzyKRmGCToMbA40+kl6EfYJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,387,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="541108807" Received: from host-78-147-202-216.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.202.216]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jun 2012 09:23:23 +0100 Message-ID: <002101cd47ab$75b09960$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <004201cd4730$cc020860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57131D54FA1241D8BBE53212C31F7BF0@Shack> <006601cd473d$d4da5cf0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <0AE0F5F0-4E73-42A7-B7D4-8EAA5DD84524@thelortons.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:23:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Clive Poor turn out with 167 members and only 57 voted. 70% of 57= 39.9 members for Yahoo I will manage with or without a reflector, LF es MF because of the very poor band occupancy is but a small part of my amateur radio activities. I will be more interested in 6m es 10m when the bands really open up during sunspot max For a beginner on LF or MF the amount of QSO acty is so poor it does not justify the effort required to get a station operational. 73 mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f9bb43a66658129469273581af35b296 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Votes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD47AB.7566BF20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:502244896:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a4fd5ab5b5ed5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD47AB.7566BF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clive Poor turn out with 167 members and only 57 voted. 70% of 57=3D 39.9 = members for Yahoo I will manage with or without a reflector, LF es MF because of the very = poor band occupancy is but a small part of my amateur radio activities. = I will be more interested in 6m es 10m when the bands really open up = during sunspot max=20 For a beginner on LF or MF the amount of QSO acty is so poor it does not = justify the effort required to get a station operational. =20 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clive Lorton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:13 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Votes Mal, you have Yahoo sussed to be able to read the results. But only 2 = - G3's voted. What a shame=85 Still listining Still lurking Cliveg g8poc=20 On 10 Jun 2012, at 20:18, mal hamilton wrote: Ok Tony But two thirds of the members did not vote, g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:15 PM Subject: LF: Re: Votes 70% Yahoo 10% Black Sheep 19% Continue with both No idea who the other 1% is ;-) Tony, EI8JK ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:45 PM Subject: LF: Votes Well Only 57 votes and 167 members of the Yahoo group. Out of 57 how = many voted for Yahoo. This does not look convincing that Yahoo was the = way to go. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD47AB.7566BF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Clive
Poor turn out with 167 members and only 57 = voted. 70% of=20 57=3D 39.9 members for Yahoo
I will manage with or without a reflector, LF es = MF=20 because of the very poor band occupancy is but a small part of my = amateur radio=20 activities. I will be more interested in 6m es 10m when the bands=20 really open up during sunspot max
For a beginner on LF or MF the amount of QSO = acty is so=20 poor it does not justify the effort required to get a station = operational.=20   
73 mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clive=20 Lorton
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: = Votes

Mal, you have Yahoo sussed to be able to read the = results. But=20 only 2 - G3's voted.
What a shame=85

Still listining Still lurking

Cliveg g8poc 

On 10 Jun 2012, at 20:18, mal hamilton wrote:
Ok Tony
But two thirds of the members did not=20 vote,
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 6:15=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Votes

70% Yahoo
10% Black Sheep
19% Continue with = both
 
No idea who the other 1% is = ;-)
 
Tony, EI8JK
 
----- Original Message = -----
From: mal hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 = 5:45=20 PM
Subject: LF: Votes

Well
Only 57 votes and 167 members of the = Yahoo group.=20 Out of 57 how many voted for Yahoo. This does not look = convincing that=20 Yahoo was the way to go.
g3kev
=
 

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD47AB.7566BF20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B230C38000083; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SinPM-0005oQ-1w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:03:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SinPL-0005oF-HE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:03:19 +0100 Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SinPD-0001xF-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:03:18 +0100 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=V3WLVhl+P3CA21cxT3BDjnH2ov/236s/Q9x1CHT8c/8+5Xt1mgy5bZbs/YVl/DQO; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.67] (helo=wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SinOr-0002ZA-7Y; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:02:49 -0400 Received: from 97.117.198.235 by webmail.c.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:02:48 -0400 Message-ID: <12295237.1340546569220.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Trask To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c2609c111d02531985bea87e38bdced8a6cb1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.67 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > >Thanks for sharing this interesting paper. Well, the circuit looks quite >complex but the image of the final construction looks compact. >Since we got access to 472 kHz a weeks ago, i need another receive >antenna now, since all my front ends are resonanted, i.e. mono band. So >the advantage of a single receive antenna becomes more and more >convincing to me. Of course it needs a high dynamic range without >distortion of the spectrum then.. > >A question: The DC supply voltage is connected to e.g. C16? > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.86.89.65 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451184672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fe71e50194d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none > >Thanks for sharing this interesting paper. Well, the circuit looks quite >complex but the image of the final construction looks compact. >Since we got access to 472 kHz a weeks ago, i need another receive >antenna now, since all my front ends are resonanted, i.e. mono band. So >the advantage of a single receive antenna becomes more and more >convincing to me. Of course it needs a high dynamic range without >distortion of the spectrum then.. > >A question: The DC supply voltage is connected to e.g. C16? > It's connected by way of the output pin, so you send the DC supply right up the coax instead of having to run additional wires. You'll need a bias tee down at the receiver end, and I describe one at the end of this paper: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper021.html > >What might be the lower cutoff frequency if values for the input LP and >HP filters are well choosen? It should be possible to extend the circuit >to the VLF range (?). > The amplifier itself without the input filter will go down to about 100-200kHz. To go lower than that you'll need to increase to capacitor values plus change the transformer core material to Fair-Rite 77 or something similar. Chris Trask N7ZWY / WDX3HLB Senior Member IEEE http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 88E1738000086; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfvSF-0007Es-Lh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:02:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfvSF-0007Ej-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:02:27 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfvSD-0002c3-Bn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:02:25 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d43 with ME id P42Q1j0094U6hVe0342Q5s; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:02:24 +0200 Message-ID: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:02:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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[...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: ce0e5a4ae990e5a63db3ab7aea21191b Subject: LF: Opera Monitoring 500 off air & 477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A6_01CD4BE1.CD2018D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:257044704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc4fdcae62278c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01CD4BE1.CD2018D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... ! Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise .should = work ?=20 G..=20 http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01CD4BE1.CD2018D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the  = Delft-web-sdr=20 range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  = 477 =20 via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  ,=20 but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01CD4BE1.CD2018D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5A4B938000136; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si8O3-0007L0-OD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:15:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si8O3-0007Kr-B5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:15:15 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si8O1-0000Wu-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:15:14 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.29.16]) by mwinf5d07 with ME id RWFD1j0010LrbAy03WFDoB; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:15:13 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <004c01cd508e$1fe3bfd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <004c01cd508e$1fe3bfd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:15:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120622-0, 22/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: skilled ''Radio Operator'' could handle them safely. And a skilled ''Radio Technician'' would know better not too : )) From: mal hamilton Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:46 PM To: rsgb Subject: LF: Valves [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c6a8ca7629fac3d35507e5a7fd3cbf17 Subject: Re: LF: Valves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0122_01CD50AB.590E9510" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:421134048:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74fe4b66142ba X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01CD50AB.590E9510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable skilled ''Radio Operator'' could handle them safely. And a skilled ''Radio Technician'' would know better not too : = )) From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:46 PM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: Valves Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lovely warm glow from a pair = of 813's, 4-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With 100 watt heaters and = K/volts on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could handle them = safely.=20 Transistors for the Appliance Operator, with no dangerous voltages to = cause premature expiry!! g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01CD50AB.590E9510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
skilled ''Radio Operator'' could handle them safely.
 
And a  skilled  ''Radio  Technician''   = would =20 know  better  not  too  : ))

From: mal hamilton
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:46 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Valves

Valves are a Radio Amateur's best friend, lovely = warm glow=20 from a pair of 813's,  4-400's, 4-1000's even the 1625. With 100 = watt=20 heaters and K/volts on the anode only a skilled Radio Operator could = handle them=20 safely.
Transistors for the Appliance Operator, =  with no=20 dangerous voltages to cause premature expiry!!
g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0122_01CD50AB.590E9510-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BBA66100D7; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgNX0-0007c0-CU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:01:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgNWz-0007br-Ow for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:01:13 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgNWx-0008WS-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:01:12 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.14.151]) by mwinf5d01 with ME id Pa1A1j0063FYniy03a1Af3; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:01:11 +0200 Message-ID: <238E2B3E35364E1090A6A3F982A5CF98@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FDDE3C9.8080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <15B9C0CD09D4429B83AB1E02595502AD@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <15B9C0CD09D4429B83AB1E02595502AD@JimPC> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:01:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120617-1, 17/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ''But G4WGT and G0NBD'', // ''is over hilly, lower conductivity ground.'' Steady on Jim , your 'not' suggesting Gary and myself are 'over the hill' !! We did have on the uk500khz site , the beacon plots , that where produced by Andy and Gary, using the G3PLX software and a Tx timing cct from Andy (G4JNT) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:449427520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ce4fde53f9615e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ''But G4WGT and G0NBD'', // ''is over hilly, lower conductivity ground.'' Steady on Jim , your 'not' suggesting Gary and myself are 'over the hill' !! We did have on the uk500khz site , the beacon plots , that where produced by Andy and Gary, using the G3PLX software and a Tx timing cct from Andy (G4JNT) I think theses are still saved in zip files , or we may still have them saved, these showed quite nicely the path changes over time and the noise level variations , Quite a change to when 'we' first came on 500 with micro erp levels and no dedicated software ! Unless you have quite reasonable power levels and antenna systems , other than local qso , plain CW is not really a option on 500 , luckily with the recent developments, narrow data communications will be possible for all. 73 -G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Moritz" Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:06 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions > Dear Stefan, LF Group, > >> I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal >> does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the >> afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly >> lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. > > As well as the natural band noise being lower at MF (I estimate the noise > FS is about 10dB lower), there is also not the constant presence of > man-made noise, such as Loran and DCF39 sidebands. So the spectrum around > 500kHz does sound much quieter, especially during daytime. >> >> What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the >> afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > As others have said, broadly similar to LF - sky wave is very weak until > darkness has arrived, so ground wave dominates daytime communication. > Ground wave signal levels seem to depend greatly on the type of ground at > distances more than 100km or so. For example I can easily hear G3KEV > during the daytime here, and the path from Hatfield to Scarborough is > over flat, high-conductivity ground down the east of England. But G4WGT > and G0NBD, and stations in Wales, are extremely weak in daylight at > similar distances, although they are quite strong after dark The ground > path to these stations is over hilly, lower conductivity ground. > > Sky wave signals over fairly long distances show very deep fading over > periods of a few minutes - signal levels are usually constantly changing, > and I have often seen variation of over 30dB in one minute on beacon > signals. This can make QSOs difficult, with a signal that was R5 suddenly > disappearing completely and not even visible on the spectrogram. Over very > long distances, trans-atlantic for example, the fading seems less severe > although signals are usually quite weak and propagation is very variable. > > For contacts around Europe, I would say 136k actually gives more reliable > signal levels, but for many stations 500k is easier because higher ERP can > be achieved with a small antenna, and noise levels are often lower. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 705C6380000AB; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SamYB-00064F-58 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:31:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SamYA-000646-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:31:18 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SamY9-00054N-99 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:31:17 +0100 Received: from [10.0.0.169] (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q52BVAsn029614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:31:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4FC9F97F.6060806@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:31:11 +0200 From: Albert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hello Pete, Is ur beacon Opera, WSPR or QRS ???? 73, Albert PA0A [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.31 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080807090708070903070808" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:199879952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fc9f9b76fa2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080807090708070903070808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Pete, Is ur beacon Opera, WSPR or QRS ???? 73, Albert PA0A --------------080807090708070903070808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Pete,

Is ur beacon Opera, WSPR or QRS ????

73, Albert PA0A
--------------080807090708070903070808-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CB307380000B9; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5Qw-0005ps-Ft for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:53:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5Qw-0005pj-2t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:53:54 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh5Qu-0006I5-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:53:52 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEKAN3l4E9cF/1H/2dsb2JhbABFtDsDgS2BCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQEJJRQBBAgSBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPsAANBIlKikxjYiyBcIMbA4gQhTSSYIR+gmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,439,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="542391040" Received: from host-92-23-253-71.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.253.71]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 21:53:51 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01cd4e5d$a0edda80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20120619.120722.1661.612898@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:53:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Bob Are you thinking of Totem poles - they are scarey!! when the combine hits one and buckles and the alligator in the near by swamp is just waiting for you These are the stories we hear about America - a dangerous place Meanwhile back to MF. Is there anyone listening out these days for me on 500 mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: fc152e7304849b9a177649b85aea9f41 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:476747328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4fe0e71b3167 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Bob Are you thinking of Totem poles - they are scarey!! when the combine hits one and buckles and the alligator in the near by swamp is just waiting for you These are the stories we hear about America - a dangerous place Meanwhile back to MF. Is there anyone listening out these days for me on 500 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:57 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 > > > > Sometimes there are dead snake heads sticking out ?? > > Bob K3DJC > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:35:59 -0400 Dexter McIntyre W4DEX > writes: > > mal hamilton wrote: > > > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > > > > > Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. Hay > > > > bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have loaded > > hay > > bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for live > > snake > > heads sticking out of the bales :) > > > > Dex > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F0FAF38000092; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuBC-00042L-Fg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:28:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeuBB-00042C-TO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:28:37 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeuB9-0005oj-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:28:36 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.8.23]) by mwinf5d06 with ME id MwUa1j00M0VovFE03wUakN; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:28:34 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4379ED2AAB4@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> <4DF9EFD1.5010208@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1313780109.51443.YahooMailNeo@web111907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9CD1E11E8BC9402CB4AECECAC4088443@JimPC> <1314394178.5030.YahooMailNeo@web111905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1314641183.5605.YahooMailNeo@web111910.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E5CBC9A.5020900@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1314705226.37125.YahooMailNeo@web111901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E5CF192.3040905@legal-medicine.de> <1317076720.22768.YahooMailNeo@web29509.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1317077173.13177.YahooMailNeo@web29509.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1317119515.35504.YahooMailNeo@web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <97A4CD4629F94A90A7F5AFD6E2A17E73@JimPC> <1317287203.84598.YahooMailNeo@web29516.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1339618104.65016.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1339618104.65016.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:28:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120613-0, 13/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well that would appear to be the situation ! 500 signals round 2400 are very good , I think unexpectedly so , but on the other hand , to date the only long term beacon was run by Andy , using the g3plx system , with Gary , running a rx at 240 miles range, , qrss did not really leave any 'history' and the Op beacon system is producing good results with real time s/n measurements , perhaps with the simplified / enhanced user access , ad-hoc beacon nets are providing quite unique data sets ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c8ff00257edaad8e124ab9389da9609a Subject: Re: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01CD49AB.7C8E2CA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451460256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fd8f8285ff6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01CD49AB.7C8E2CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well that would appear to be the situation ! 500 signals round = 2400 are very good , I think unexpectedly so , but on the other = hand , to date the only long term beacon was run by Andy , using = the g3plx system , with Gary , running a rx at 240 miles range, = , qrss did not really leave any 'history' and the Op beacon system = is producing good results with real time s/n measurements , = perhaps with the simplified / enhanced user access , ad-hoc beacon = nets are providing quite unique data sets ? As to why the path losses are lower in the summer .. over to Alan = on that one ! G. From: Daniele Tincani=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:08 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF Hello LF, looking at this very interesting graph: http://df3lp.de/misc/hga22/ my understanding is that summer nights - though shorter than winter ones = - could be better for reception of LF signals in terms of signal = strenght. Is this conclusion correct? Thanks 73 D. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01CD49AB.7C8E2CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well  that would appear to  be the situation = !   500=20 signals  round  2400  are  very good  , I = think =20 unexpectedly so , but  on the  other  hand , to date = the =20 only  long term  beacon  was  run by Andy  , = using=20 the  g3plx  system , with  Gary , running a  = rx =20 at  240 miles  range,   ,  qrss did  not  = really=20 leave any  'history'  and the Op  beacon system is=20 producing  good  results with  real  time =20 s/n   measurements , perhaps  with = the simplified /=20 enhanced  user access , ad-hoc  beacon  nets  = are =20 providing quite unique data  sets ?
 
As  to  why  the  path losses are lower in = the =20 summer  .. over to  Alan  on that  one  !
 
G.

Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:08 PM
Subject: LF: Best annual period for listening to=20 LF

 
Hello LF,
 
looking at this very interesting graph:
 
http://df3lp.de/misc/hga22/
 
my understanding is that summer nights - though shorter than winter = ones -=20 could be better for reception of LF signals in terms of signal strenght. = Is this=20 conclusion correct?
 
Thanks
73
D.
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham and Warren My intention was to send this info I had used to good effect directly to Ken but forgot at the last minute and hit send. I love thermionic devices. The way my FL2000B lights up the shack wall is a thing of beauty. In fact I used to have that picture as wall paper on my Works Laptop which brought comment from the Engineering Director. The upshot being an interesting conversation in his office about what it was all about. I run a 1Watt but should be 5Watt 6cl6 TX on 500kc/s which you Graham have reported on via Opera. I need to follow my own advice and up the performance / efficiency........ Hmmmm 90% efficient valve pa (excluding the heater {[IxI]R} loss). But not "exploding" spark gaps......... :O) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.199 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f50ffa2d596e60b11ae43c4854906bce Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-1014105217-1339512469=:69790" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:504389184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m246.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4fd756ef4923 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-1014105217-1339512469=:69790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham and Warren=0A=A0=0AMy intention was to send this info I had used = to good effect=A0directly to Ken but forgot at the last minute=A0and hit se= nd. I love thermionic devices. The way my FL2000B lights up the shack wall = is a thing of beauty. In fact I used to have that picture as=A0wall paper o= n my Works=A0Laptop which brought comment from the Engineering Director. Th= e upshot being an interesting conversation in his office=A0about what it wa= s all about. I run a 1Watt but should be 5Watt 6cl6 TX on 500kc/s which you= =A0Graham have reported on via Opera. I need to follow my own advice and up= the performance / efficiency........ Hmmmm 90% efficient valve pa (excludi= ng the heater=A0{[IxI]R} loss). But not "exploding" spark gaps......... :O)= =0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________= =0A From: Warren Ziegler =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org =0ASent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 12:21=0ASubject: Re: LF: RE: Class E et= c=0A =0AYears ago, several ham friends of mine have made valve type=0Atran= smitters run in Class-D or E on 75 and 40 meters, 500kHz should be=0Ano pro= blem at all.=0A=0A73 Warren K2ORS=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:15 A= M, M0FMT wrote:=0A> Hi Ken=0A>=0A> I believe you can op= erate=A0some thermionic devices in higher classes than=0A> C=A0but they gen= erally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go=0A> into fig= ures but just think about it. The high efficiency output stage has=0A> to o= perate like a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it=0A> cha= nges state from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off=0A> (which= =A0means a device that will operate=A0well into the=A0VHF)=A0the higher the= =0A> efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to say a couple = of=0A> megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what we are talking= =0A> about)=A0at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field= in the=0A> inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-order to g= enerate a=0A> high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not= talking sine=0A> waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a = scope on the output=0A> side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean = looking sine wave. Try=0A> it.=0A>=0A> That chart at the end of that PDF fi= le is very clever and is the guide=A0I use=0A> to bring a PA into optimum p= erformance.=0A>=0A> What I was trying to say is that the math is all very w= ell but if you are=0A> trying to make a practical and=A0efficient CW TX for= LF then=A0there is enough=0A> empirical data from following the guide line= s lines shown on the sites I=0A> have posted=A0that will get you a good TX.= If you want a doctorate in=0A> theoretical physics to bamboozle you collea= gues then that will detract from=0A> the time it takes to build a very inte= resting high power, efficient=A0TX=0A> design well within anybodies capabil= ities.=A0The GW3UEP design being IMHO a=0A> very good (Scalable) example wi= th no=A0RadCom=A0style unobtainium in the=0A> components listing.=0A>=0A> 7= 3 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A> From: Ken =0A> T= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0A> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09=0A> S= ubject: LF: RE: Class E etc=0A>=0A> Hi Pete.=0A> About 40 years ago my inte= gration was quite good, liked doing 2nd order=0A> differential equations, p= artial integration and integration by parts, the=0A> one thing I had big pr= oblems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point=0A> in free space . = =A0=A0Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is=0A> probably mor= e like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because=0A> they are= very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the keep the=0A> shack = and the cat warm.=0A>=0A> 73s=0A>=0A> Ken=0A>=0A> M0KHW=0A>=0A> From: owner= - rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner-=0A> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT=0A>=0A> Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16=0A> To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org=0A> Subject: LF: Class E etc=0A>=0A>=0A> Hi Ken=0A>=0A= > Ha ha Stefan, how good is=A0your Integration Ken?=0A>=0A> Here are a coup= le of sites that should answer your questions. You need a=0A> good dummy lo= ad and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the=0A> amplifier is= to do with=A0 A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive=0A> chip = (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully=A0on=0A= > and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate=A0on off t= iming=0A> (mark / space). Ensuring the=A0max permitted gate voltage for the= FET=A0is not=0A> exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a d= iode clamp helps.=0A> B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance=A0in = the drain=A0circuit can be=0A> done empirically See article below. Then fol= low it with=A0a=A0low pass filter,=0A> although the output wave will be sur= prisingly clean.=A0Calculating the values=0A> is difficult as you don't nec= essarily know all the starting=A0parameters and=0A> in any case=A0the resul= t is=A0going to wide of the mark. The site below will=0A> gives some starti= ng values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the=0A> output conditions= . You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times.=0A> Gate drive a= nd understanding the drain circuit is the key.=0A> These amplifiers are cap= able of incredibly good efficiency well above a=0A> dodgy class C amp. This= means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low=0A> at high power=A0gi= ving cool heat-sinks!=0A>=0A> The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended des= ign is capable good=0A> efficiency=A0and high power depending upon the FET = used and Drain supply=0A> voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 1= 40watts and is capable of=0A> almost twice that into a dummy load with a he= at sink that is fairly cool.=0A> Adjusting L and C empirically using the 's= cope to get the correct drain wave=0A> shape for max efficiency is the way = to go. The article below shows you what=0A> you are looking for. I set my T= X up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and=0A> C to get the correct drai= n wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak=0A> voltage across the D= ummy load.=A0I then transfer my=A0connector from the Dummy=0A> load to the = input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I adjust=0A> the cou= pling link to give the same peak voltage=A0across the tuner link turns.=0A>= You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy lo= ad=0A> indicating a 50ohm match.=A0This is done by either=A0adding or reduc= ing=A0the=0A> number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing the the= transformer to=0A> resonance by measuring the peak=A0up-lead current, here= you are looking for=0A> the maximum peak.=0A>=0A> Oh yes and WIMA high vol= tage high value capacitors from Maplin work well.=0A>=0A> Read the articles= and search info on class E amplifiers.=0A>=0A>=0A> For some bed time readi= ng but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure=0A> and the pictures at = the end which tell it all really.....=0A> http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culle= r/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf=0A>=0A> For design ideas=0A= > http://www.classeradio.com/=0A>=0A> For a good practical circuit for a si= ngle ended amp=A0that =A0is a scalable=0A> surefire design, no need to rein= vent the wheel.=0A> http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/=0A>=0A> For antennas and a= ntenna feed methods a "look no where else site"=0A> http://www.strobbe.eu/o= n7yd/136ant/=0A>=0A> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0A-- = =0A73 Warren K2ORS=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2=0A= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 ---176341844-1014105217-1339512469=:69790 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham and Warre= n
 
My intention was to = send this info I had used to good effect directly to Ken but forgot at= the last minute and hit send. I love thermionic devices. The way my F= L2000B lights up the shack wall is a thing of beauty. In fact I used to hav= e that picture as wall paper on my Works Laptop which brought com= ment from the Engineering Director. The upshot being an interesting convers= ation in his office about what it was all about. I run a 1Watt but sho= uld be 5Watt 6cl6 TX on 500kc/s which you Graham have reported on via = Opera. I need to follow my own advice and up the performance / efficiency..= ...... Hmmmm 90% efficient valve pa (excluding the heater {[IxI]R} los= s). But not "exploding" spark gaps......... :O)
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91U= X
From: Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, 12 June = 2012, 12:21
Subject: R= e: LF: RE: Class E etc

Years ago, several ham friend= s of mine have made valve type
transmitters run in Class-D or E on 75 an= d 40 meters, 500kHz should be
no problem at all.

73 Warren K2ORS



On T= ue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:15 AM, M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
&= gt; Hi Ken
>
> I believe you can operate some thermionic d= evices in higher classes than
> C but they generally lack the fr= equency response of a modern FET. I won't go
> into figures but just = think about it. The high efficiency output stage has
> to operate lik= e a switch it is not actually an amplifier. The faster it
> changes s= tate from fully on with ultra low resistance to fully off
> (which&nb= sp;means a device that will operate well into the VHF) the h= igher the
> efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rated to = say a couple of
> megs its not going to be much good (in terms of wha= t we are talking
> about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the magnetic field in the
> inductor to rise and collapse at = a very fast rate in-order to generate a
> high electromagnetic field = at the drive frequency. We are not talking sine
> waves here as a sco= pe on the drain will show. Although a scope on the output
> side of t= he drain inductor will show quite a clean looking sine wave. Try
> it= .
>
> That chart at the end of that PDF file is very clever and= is the guide I use
> to bring a PA into optimum performance.>
> What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well bu= t if you are
> trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX fo= r LF then there is enough
> empirical data from following the gu= ide lines lines shown on the sites I
> have posted that will get= you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in
> theoretical physics to b= amboozle you colleagues then that will detract from
> the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, efficient TX
>= design well within anybodies capabilities. The GW3UEP design being IM= HO a
> very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style un= obtainium in the
> components listing.
>
> 73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX
> From: Ken <ken.h.wright@btintern= et.com>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g
> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09
> Subject: LF: RE: Cl= ass E etc
>
> Hi Pete.
> About 40 years ago my integratio= n was quite good, liked doing 2nd order
> differential equations, par= tial integration and integration by parts, the
> one thing I had big = problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point
> in free spac= e .   Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is
>= probably more like Class E by default. The reason I like valves is because=
> they are very forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also the ke= ep the
> shack and the cat warm.
>
> 73s
>
> = Ken
>
> M0KHW
>
> From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner-
> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT
>
> S= ent: 11 June 2012 19:16
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Class E etc
>
>
> Hi = Ken
>
> Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken?
>
> Here are a couple of sites that should answer your qu= estions. You need a
> good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Settin= g the conditions for the
> amplifier is to do with  A/ the corre= ct driver preferably using a FET drive
> chip (like TC4422 non and TC= 4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on
> and fully off = on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing
>= (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET&n= bsp;is not
> exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a = diode clamp helps.
> B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance&= nbsp;in the drain circuit can be
> done empirically See article = below. Then follow it with a low pass filter,
> although th= e output wave will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values
&g= t; is difficult as you don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and
> in any case the result is g= oing to wide of the mark. The site below will
> gives some starting v= alues. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the
> output conditions= . You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times.
> Gate dri= ve and understanding the drain circuit is the key.
> These amplifiers= are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a
> dodgy class= C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low
> at= high power giving cool heat-sinks!
>
> The GW3UEP (do a w= eb search) single ended design is capable good
> efficiency and = high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply
> voltage. I = have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of
> alm= ost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool.
&= gt; Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave
> shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The = article below shows you what
> you are looking for. I set my TX up in= to a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and
> C to get the correct drain w= ave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak
> voltage across the = Dummy load. I then transfer my connector from the Dummy
> l= oad to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I adjust<= br>> the coupling link to give the same peak voltage across the tun= er link turns.
> You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames = as across the dummy load
> indicating a 50ohm match. This is don= e by either adding or reducing the
> number of turns (about= two turns) along with bringing the the transformer to
> resonance by= measuring the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for
> = the maximum peak.
>
> Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work well.
>
> Read the articles = and search info on class E amplifiers.
>
>
> For some bed= time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure
> and t= he pictures at the end which tell it all really.....
> http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/= Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf
>
> For design ideas
> http://www.classera= dio.com/
>
> For a good practical circuit for a single ende= d amp that  is a scalable
> surefire design, no need to rei= nvent the wheel.
> http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/
>
> For antennas and = antenna feed methods a "look no where else site"
> http://www.= strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/
>
> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
= >
>
>



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        =         WE2XEB/2
          =       WE2XGR/1



---176341844-1014105217-1339512469=:69790-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BCC7438000093; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 03:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdGYM-0005NT-Bi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 08:57:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdGYL-0005NK-Hq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 08:57:45 +0100 Received: from smtp04.online.nl ([194.134.41.34]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdGYJ-0002uH-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 08:57:44 +0100 Received: from smtp04.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24F5E1E7 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:57:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s529d275f.adsl.wanadoo.nl [82.157.39.95]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:57:42 +0200 (CEST) From: To: "blacksheep" Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:57:42 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Very good audible cw signal Stefan S6 73 Victor PA3FNY [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.134.41.34 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 73624bb08a20c2e0895fd0d9fb8136a4 Subject: LF: DK7FC 137KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:119107400:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60164fd3025f70c6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Very good audible cw signal Stefan S6 73 Victor PA3FNY From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4D0F438000093; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkzzV-0007KN-2X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:53:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkzzU-0007KE-Kl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:53:44 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkzzT-0006SK-0D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 16:53:43 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai4FAEEg709cF/7u/2dsb2JhbABFoF4DlXSBCIITBQEBBQgBAQMQOQIsAQEDBQIBAwQNBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHfrtMizuCfoMcA4gXhTeXaYJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,503,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="386408263" Received: from host-92-23-254-238.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.238]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2012 16:53:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01cd56d8$84122a00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <008501cd56d5$f5c084b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <0384C214D0514315B65DAD68864962C1@W1KW> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:53:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Geri I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST and some V's for a few seconds was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it DK7FC De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: LF: Re: test 476.5 [...] Content analysis details: (3.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.5 FSL_UA FSL_UA 1.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5934134de2d93cab1d5fc440b67de82f Subject: LF: Re: Re: test 476.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD56D8.83CD0AB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479306688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4fef214014a7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD56D8.83CD0AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geri I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST and some V's for a few seconds = was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it DK7FC De mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: LF: Re: test 476.5 Mal, I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX 502. 73 Geri, DK8KW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: LF: test 476.5 Stn tst on 476.5 599=20 qsx 502=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD56D8.83CD0AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Geri
I cannot hear you. The stn that sent TEST and = some V's for=20 a few seconds was 599 so I do not think it was you. Was it = DK7FC
De mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Holger 'Geri', = DK8KW -=20 DI2BO - W1KW
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 3:47=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: test = 476.5

Mal,
 
I am calling now on 472,500 kHz, QSX=20 502.
 
73
 
Geri, DK8KW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 = 5:35=20 PM
Subject: LF: test 476.5

Stn tst on 476.5 599
qsx 502
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD56D8.83CD0AB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 73529380000A6; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeWXj-0000hp-E2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:14:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeWXe-0000hg-MZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:14:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeWXc-0000QU-Se for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:14:13 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjMFAOiU109Ok8sr/2dsb2JhbABFgnacagOVUngQgg8EARMBAQNJAiwCCAIBBgEdOQEEGgYkHQECAgEBhTgHgiQbmC2hJpE4A4gNhTKXW4Jg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,398,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="541373929" Received: from host-78-147-203-43.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.203.43]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2012 20:14:08 +0100 Message-ID: <007d01cd48cf$877ae220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:14:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF/M All the technical discussions going on at present about amplifiers relevant to LF/MF is on the Blacksheep reflector. Other information regarding communications and propagation likewise. It would appear those dedicated to the lower frequencies prefer this reflector. It would appear only those interested in archieving their files and of little interest to others and picture uploads favour Yahoo. To keep abreast with realtime lower frequency activities then only Blacksheep seems to be the preferred reflector. Mal/G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: LF: TECH DISCUSSION Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007A_01CD48CF.8703B650" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429033824:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584fd7954a3d0b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01CD48CF.8703B650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF/M All the technical discussions going on at present about amplifiers = relevant to LF/MF is on the Blacksheep reflector. Other information = regarding communications and propagation likewise. It would appear those = dedicated to the lower frequencies prefer this reflector. It would appear only those interested in archieving their files and of = little interest to others and picture uploads favour Yahoo.=20 To keep abreast with realtime lower frequency activities then only = Blacksheep seems to be the preferred reflector. Mal/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01CD48CF.8703B650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF/M
All the technical discussions going on at = present about=20 amplifiers relevant to LF/MF is on the Blacksheep reflector. Other = information=20 regarding communications and propagation likewise. It would appear those = dedicated to the lower frequencies prefer this reflector.
It would appear only those interested in = archieving their=20 files and of little interest to others and picture uploads favour Yahoo. =
To keep abreast with realtime lower frequency = activities=20 then only Blacksheep seems to be the preferred reflector.
Mal/G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_007A_01CD48CF.8703B650-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D68F63800009F; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeoW4-0002IX-46 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:25:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeoW3-0002IO-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:25:47 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeoW1-0004FA-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:25:46 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjMGALqh2E9Ok8Nf/2dsb2JhbABFg0GcIQOVV4EIgg8EFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEGAR05AQQaBggcHQECAgEBh36YW6EukUIDiA6FMpddgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,403,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="375465410" Received: from host-78-147-195-95.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.195.95]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2012 15:25:43 +0100 Message-ID: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:25:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on this band. or If you want a contact let me know I am active most days de Mal/g3kev MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on this band. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: fc152e7304849b9a177649b85aea9f41 Subject: LF: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD4970.66979F70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:284777536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4fd8a3407fd2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD4970.66979F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on = this band. or=20 If you want a contact let me know I am active most days=20 de Mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CD4970.66979F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF operators
I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for = German and=20 others active on this band.
or
If you want a contact let me know
I am active most days
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan and Graham Thanks for the comments. None of my MF/LF tx.s run more that 160watts although by seriesing a couple of PSUs one with a floating ground I can run about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like seriesing the PSUs so only do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to build a new high voltage PSU 100V at a good current rating. The rigs are FET PA IRF840 etc mostly xtal controlled or xtal mixer type master oscillator (but do have DDS), into a FET driver chip. And set them as described earlier. I have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s transforming the Low impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer to drive the antenna tuner. Front end currently popped!! Using it for QRSS overnight.Will get it back on soon. My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side issue and am not advocating them for serious modern MF/LF work. However there is no reason why not. I have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts out Choke modulated AM and CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on AM on 3.615megs. The second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now is again xtal mixer vxo. They use 6CL6 video tubes in the PA. The 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure out why, it should be about 5watts. How ever on my new found Opera4 have been reported in PA0 land (on the limit). I have built and still got one or two 807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown amateur in the 1950s and a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 rig on the stocks.... but probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This to show my thermionic credentials.... hee! For shear interest I would like to try and make a high efficiency TUBE PA but probably won't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX design looks interesting but probably very dodgy to set up, stability and all. Graham your arc tubes is all very well but what I have read is that they have a tendency to blow up...... and so do FETs ok so no change there then. My current limitation to power [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.21 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 62a9c62115051fd1c4d34daf6cda1a99 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-985321963-1339628355=:5649" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:493979360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m007.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fd91b7e1dcd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-985321963-1339628355=:5649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan and Graham=0A=A0=0AThanks for the comments. None of my MF/LF tx.s= run more that 160watts although by seriesing a couple of PSUs one with a f= loating ground I can run about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like serie= sing the PSUs so only do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to bu= ild a new=A0high voltage PSU 100V at a good current rating.=A0The rigs are = FET PA IRF840 etc=A0mostly xtal controlled or xtal mixer type master oscill= ator (but do have DDS), into a FET driver chip. And set them as described e= arlier.=0A=A0=0AI have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s transfo= rming the Low impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer to dr= ive the antenna tuner. Front end currently popped!! Using it for QRSS overn= ight.Will get it back on soon.=0A=A0=0AMy interest in Valve or Tube TX is a= side issue and am not advocating them for serious modern MF/LF work. Howev= er there is no reason why not.=0A=A0=0AI have made a couple of TUBE QRP rig= s one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts out Choke modulated AM and CW and FSK. Wor= ked most of UK on AM on 3.615megs. The second is a copy for 500kc/s was ori= ginally VFO controlled but now is again xtal mixer vxo. They use 6CL6 video= tubes in the PA. The 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure ou= t why, it should be about 5watts. How=A0ever on my new found Opera4 have=A0= been reported in PA0 land (on the limit).=0AI have built and still got one = or two=A0807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design m= ade by an unknown amateur in the 1950s and a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 r= ig on the stocks.... but probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This= to show my thermionic credentials.... hee!=0A=A0=0AFor shear interest I wo= uld like to try and make a high efficiency TUBE PA but probably won't get a= round to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX design looks interesting but proba= bly very dodgy to set up, stability and all. Graham your arc tubes is all v= ery well but what I have read is that they have a tendency to blow up......= and so do FETs ok so no change there then.=0A=A0=0AMy current limitation t= o power Stefan is lack of a single stable PSU with a couple of KW output. T= he antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and 128ft top. =0A=A0=0AI don't have a = good RX for MF/LF what I have are deaf by others standards and this is my m= ain area of interest at the moment. I have used a TS50 and a TS690s full fi= lters=A0plus a couple of direct conversion HB=A0RX=A0with active filers and= notch.=0AFront ends have gone from dual gate mosfet to straight into the m= ixer but S/N is still poor evidenced by WSPR and Opera reports I give to ot= her station who are being received much better elsewhere. If any one can he= lp me with that then it would make life here on MF/LF=A0a lot better. =0A= =A0=0AKeep the bands open and may get to work you Stefan now you have 472/9= ....... why the delay in the UK????=0A=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: W= ednesday, 13 June 2012, 22:05=0ASubject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc=0A =0A=0A= Hi Pete, LF, =0A=0AOn 137 kHz or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% eff= iciency with a=0Aclass E PA. BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if= your antenna=0Aprovides stable resonance and impdedance and if you like to= play=0Aarround a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output= =0Apower), a well designed class E PA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW= =0ARF (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET. =0AI hardly ex= pect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp=0Abut i can under= stand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack,=0Aalthough i'm not= from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier=0Ai heard of was a = 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-)=0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC= =0A=0A=0AAm 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT: =0AWell shoot me down=0Awith m= y britches on fire! =0A>=A0 =0A>Mal =0A>I have just found an article on an= enhanced Class C in=0ATube amplifiers By RCA. =0A>I have heard of higher= =0Aefficiency Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought=0At= hey used special valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently=0Anot,= it relies on a tuned circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode=0ALC be= ing set at the third harmonic of the anode one. By combining the=0Adrive wa= ve with the third hamonic you get a very fast rising pulse=0Atype=A0wave at= the drive frequency in the PA tuned circuit as with a=0Aclass D/E solid st= ate amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/ =0A>=A0 =0A>I t= hink the point=0Aabout this is that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's li= ke broadcast=0Atransmitters and the like. And probably will work OK for us = on LF with=0Asuch narrow allocations where we may get away with one set up.= =0A>=A0 =0A>Now to see if it is=0Ascalable to lower power video tubes. =0A= >=0A>73 es GL Pete=0AM0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>From: mal hamilton =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Tuesday, 12 June=0A2= 012, 19:48=0A>Subject: Re: LF: RE:=0AClass E etc=0A> =0A>=0A>Pete es Co = =0A>The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you=0Acan get to class D or E = and well designed would=A0produce 70% efficiency. =0A>The class D or E is n= ot really an amplifier=0Ain the convential sense it is merely an RF switch = at the frequency of=0Ainterest and the voltage generated is increased by a = step up=0Atransformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency if you are lucky.= =0A>Like some have said a tube amp is more robust=0Aand tolerant of misma= tch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but=0Acan go bang if one is not= careful about matching to load. =0A>I have some Dentron amps for the HF ba= nds and=0Athey have been going for years. =0A>Fets are probably more manage= able, compact=0A=A0and safer regarding voltages, beware of tubes with volta= ges of a few=0AK/volts at high current, like an electric chair!! =0A>73 de = mal/g3kev =0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: M0FMT =0A>>To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012=0A11:15 AM = =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Ken =0A>>=A0 =0A>>= I believe you can operate=A0some thermionic devices in higher classes than = C=A0but=0Athey generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I=0Aw= on't go into figures but just think about it. The high efficiency output st= age has to operate like a switch it is not actually an=0Aamplifier. The fas= ter it changes state from fully on with ultra low=0Aresistance to fully off= (which=A0means a device that will operate=A0well=0Ainto the=A0VHF)=A0the h= igher the efficiency. If you have a device that is=0Abarely rated to say a = couple of megs its not going to be much good (in=0Aterms of what we are tal= king about)=A0at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying=0Ato get the magnetic fie= ld in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very=0Afast rate in-order to g= enerate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are=0Anot t= alking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although=0Aa scop= e on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a=0Aclean lookin= g sine wave. Try it. =0A>>=A0 =0A>>That chart at the end of that PDF file= =0Ais very clever and is the guide=A0I use to bring a PA into optimum=0Aper= formance. =0A>>=A0 =0A>>What I was trying to say is that the math is all ve= ry=0Awell but if you are trying to make a practical and=A0efficient CW TX f= or=0ALF then=A0there is enough empirical data from following the guide line= s lines shown on the sites I have=0Aposted=A0that will get you a good TX. I= f you want a doctorate in=0Atheoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues= then that will detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting = high=0Apower, efficient=A0TX design well within anybodies capabilities.=A0T= he GW3UEP design being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no=A0RadCom= =A0style unobtainium in the components listing. =0A>>=0A>>73 es GL Pete M0F= MT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>From: Ken =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Monday, 11=0AJune 2012, 22:09=0A>>Subject: = LF: RE:=0AClass E etc=0A>> =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Pete. =0A>>About 40 years ago= my integration was=0Aquite good, liked doing 2nd order differential=0Aequa= tions, partial integration and integration by parts, the one thing=0AI had = big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of a point in=0Afree space = . =A0=A0Looking at some of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more = like Class E by default. The reason I like valves=0Ais because they are ver= y forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also=0Athe keep the shack and th= e cat warm. =0A>>=A0 =0A>>73s =0A>>=A0 =0A>>Ken =0A>>=A0 =0A>>M0KHW =0A>>= =A0 =0A>> =0A>>From:owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:=0Aowner- r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT=0A>>Sent: 11 June 2012=0A1= 9:16=0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0A>>Subject: LF: Class E=0Aetc = =0A>>=A0 =0A>>=A0 Hi Ken =0A>>=A0 =0A>>Ha ha Stefan, how good is=A0yo= ur Integration Ken? =0A>>=A0 Here are a couple of sites that should=0Aan= swer your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good=0Aoscilloscope. = Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do with=A0=0AA/ the correct = driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 invert= ing) that will turn the FET fully=A0on and fully off on each cycle. Very fa= st rise time with=0Aaccurate=A0on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the= =A0max permitted gate=0Avoltage for the FET=A0is not exceeded otherwise the= y=0Apop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps.=A0 B/ Setting the=0A= shunt capacitance and inductance=A0in the drain=A0circuit can be done empir= ically See article below. Then follow it with=A0a=A0low pass filter, althou= gh the=0Aoutput wave will be surprisingly clean.=A0Calculating the values i= s difficult as you don't necessarily=0Aknow all the starting=A0parameters a= nd in any case=A0the result is=A0going to=0Awide of the mark. The site belo= w will gives some starting values. Best=0Ato use 'Scope measurements to set= the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On /=0AOff rise= times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the=0Akey. The= se amplifiers are capable of=0Aincredibly good efficiency well above a dodg= y class C amp. This means=0Athe heat dissipation from the FET is very low a= t high power=A0giving=0Acool heat-sinks! =0A>>=A0 The GW3UEP (do=0Aa w= eb search) single ended design is capable good efficiency=A0and=0Ahigh powe= r depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I=0Ahave modified o= ne to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost=0Atwice that into a= dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool.=0AAdjusting L and C empir= ically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficie= ncy=0Ais the way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking fo= r.=0AI set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the= =0Acorrect drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage= =0Aacross the Dummy load.=A0I then transfer my=A0connector from the Dummy l= oad=0Ato the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead.=0AI adj= ust the coupling link to give the same peak voltage=A0across the=0Atuner li= nk turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames=0Aas across t= he dummy load indicating a 50ohm match.=A0This is done by=0Aeither=A0adding= or reducing=A0the number of turns (about two turns) along=0Awith bringing = the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak=A0up-lead current, h= ere you are looking for the maximum peak.=A0=A0 =0A>>=A0 =0A>>Oh yes an= d WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work well. =0A>> =0A= >>=A0 Read the articles and search info on=0Aclass E amplifiers.=A0 =0A= >>=A0 =0A>>=A0 =0A>>For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at = the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which=0Atell it all really= ..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-po= weramps.pdf =0A>>=A0 =0A>>For design ideas http://www.classeradio.com/ = =0A>>=A0 =0A>>For a good practical circuit for a=0Asingle ended amp=A0= that =A0is a scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. =0A= >>http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ =0A>> =0A>>=A0 For antennas and antenna fe= ed methods=0Aa "look no where else site" =0A>> =0A>>http://www.strobbe.= eu/on7yd/136ant/ =0A>>=A0 =0A>>73 es GL Pete=0AM0FMT IO91UX = =0A>>=0A>>=A0 =0A>=0A> ---1613889061-985321963-1339628355=:5649 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Thanks for the comme= nts. None of my MF/LF tx.s run more that 160watts although= by seriesing a couple of PSUs one with a floating ground = I can run about 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't like seriesing the PSUs so only do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to = build a new high voltage PSU 100V at a good current rating. The rigs are FET PA IRF<= /span>840 etc mostly xtal controlled or xtal mixer type master oscillator (but do = have DDS), into a FET driver= chip. And set them as described earlier.
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I have played with High power Audio amps on 136kc/s tra= nsforming the Low impedance to 50 ohms+/- using Ferrite cored transformer t= o drive the antenna tuner. Front end currently popped!! Using it for QRSS overnight.Will get it back on soon.
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My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side iss= ue and am not advocating them for serious modern MF/LF work. However there is no reason why not.=
 
I have made a couple of TUBE= QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5= watts out Choke modulated AM and CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on AM on 3.615megs. The second is a cop= y for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now is again xt= al mixer vxo. They us= e 6CL6 video tubes in the PA. The 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure out why, it should= be about 5watts. How ever on my new found Opera4 have been repor= ted in PA0 land (on the limit).
I have built and sti= ll got one or two 807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown amateur in the 1950s and= a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 rig on the stocks.... b= ut probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This to show my thermionic= credentials.... hee!=
 
For shear interest I would l= ike to try and make a high efficiency TUBE PA but probably won't get around= to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX design looks interesting but probably v= ery dodgy to set up, stability and all. Graham your arc tubes is all very w= ell but what I have read is that they have a tendency to blow up...... and = so do FETs ok so no change there then.
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My current limitation to power Stefan i= s lack of a single stable PSU with a couple of KW output. The antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and 128f= t top.
 
I don't have a good = RX for MF/LF what I have are= deaf by others standards and this is my main area of interest at the momen= t. I have used a TS50 and a TS690s full filters plus a couple of direc= t conversion HB RX = ;with active filers and notch.
Front ends have gone = from dual gate mosfet to str= aight into the mixer but S/N is still poor = evidenced by WSPR and Opera = reports I give to other station who are being received much better elsewhere. If any one can help me with= that then it would make life here on MF/LF a lot better.
 
= Keep the bands open and may get to work you= Stefan now you have 472/9....... why the d= elay in the UK????
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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= From: Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-h= eidelberg.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Sent: Wednesd= ay, 13 June 2012, 22:05
Subject:<= /span> Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

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=0AHi Pete, LF,
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=0AOn 137 kHz o= r 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% efficiency with a=0Aclass E PA. BT= W a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if your antenna=0Aprovides stable= resonance and impdedance an= d if you like to play=0Aarround a bit to obtain the best efficiency (not the highes output=0Apower), a well designed class E PA is = definitifely a good choice! = 1 kW=0ARF (CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET= .
=0AI hardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a= tube amp=0Abut i can understand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dar= k shack,=0Aalthough i'm not = from the tube generation ;-) The first power amplifier=0Ai heard of was a 2= N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or so :-)
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=0A73, Stefa= n/DK7FC
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=0AAm 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT:=0A
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Well = shoot me down=0Awith my britches on fire!
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Mal
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I have just fou= nd an article on an enhanced Class C in=0ATube amplifiers By RCA.=0A
I have heard of higher=0Aefficien= cy Valve amps but never gave them any time because I thought=0Athey used sp= ecial valves to achieve the fast response. But apparently=0Anot, it relies = on a tuned circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode=0ALC being set at = the third harmonic of the anode one. By combining the=0Adrive wave with the= third hamonic you get a ver= y fast rising pulse=0Atype wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned= circuit as with a=0Aclass D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http= ://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/
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I think the p= oint=0Aabout this is that it works OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast=0Atransmitters and the li= ke. And probably will work OK for us on LF with=0Asuch narrow allocations w= here we may get away with one set up.
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Now to see if it is=0Ascalable to lower power video tubes.
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73 es GL Pete=0AM0FMT IO91UX
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From:= mal hamilton=0A<g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
=0A To:=0Arsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
=0A Sent: Tuesday, 12 June=0A2012, 19:= 48
=0A Subject: Re: LF= : RE:=0AClass E etc
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Pete es Co
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The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you=0Acan get to class D or E and = well designed would produce 70% efficiency.
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The class D or E is not really an amplifier=0Ain the convential sense it is merely an = RF switch at the frequency of=0Ainterest and the voltage generated is incre= ased by a step up=0Atransformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency if you = are lucky.
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Like some have said = a tube amp is more robust=0Aand tolerant of mismatch to antenna without smo= ke. Fets are good but=0Acan = go bang if one is not careful about matching to load.
=0A I have some D= entron amps for the HF bands and=0Athey have been going for years.
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Fets are probably more manageable, compact=0A and safer = regarding voltages, beware of tubes with voltages of a few=0AK/volts at hig= h current, like an electric chair!!
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73 de mal/g3= kev
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From: M0FMT=0A
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012=0A11:15 AM
=0A Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E= etc
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=0A Hi Ken
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=0A I believe=0A= you can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than C = but=0Athey generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I=0Awon't go into figures=0Abut just think about it. The high= efficiency=0Aoutpu= t stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an=0Aamplifier. The= faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low=0Aresistance to fully= off (which means a device that will operate well=0Ainto the = ;VHF) the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is=0Abarely= rated to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in=0Aterms of= what we are talking about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying=0Ato g= et the magnetic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very=0Afast rate in-order=0Ato generate a = high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are=0Anot talking sin= e waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although=0Aa scope on the o= utput side of the drain inductor will show quite a=0Aclean looking sine wav= e. Try it.
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That chart at the end of that PDF file=0Ais very clever and is the guide I use to bring a PA into o= ptimum=0Aperformance.
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What I was trying to say is that the math is all very=0Awell = but if you are trying to make a practical and efficient CW TX for=0ALF= then there is enough empiri= cal=0Adata from following the guide lines lines shown on the = sites I have=0Aposted that will get you a good TX. If you want a docto= rate in=0Atheoretical physics to = bamboozle=0Ayou co= lleagues=0Athen that will detract from the time it takes to b= uild a very interesting high=0Apower, efficient TX design well within anybodies capabili= ties. The GW3UEP=0Adesign being IMHO a very good (Scalable) e= xample with no RadCom s= tyle=0A <= span id=3D"misspell-81" class=3D"mark">unobtainium=0Ain the c= omponents listing.
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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= From= : Ken=0A<ken.h.wright@btinternet.com&g= t;
=0A To:=0Arsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
=0A Sent: Monday, 11=0AJune 2012, 22= :09
=0A Subject: LF:= RE:=0AClass E etc
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Hi Pete.
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About 40 years ago my integration was=0Aquite g= ood, liked doing 2nd = order differential=0Aequations, partial integration and integration by part= s, the one thing=0AI had big problems with was 3 dimensional integration of= a point in=0Afree space .   Looking at some of the sites my Clas= s C MOSFET=0APA is probably more= like Class E by default. The reason I like valves=0Ais because they are ve= ry forgiving devices unlike semiconductors, also=0Athe keep the shack and t= he cat warm.
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From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg [mailto:=0Aowner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of M0FMT
=0A Sent: 11 June 2012=0A19:16
=0A = To:=0Arsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
=0A Subject: LF: Class E=0Aetc
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<= font color=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"Verdana">Hi Ken
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Ha ha Stefan, how good = is your Integratio= n=0AKen?
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= Here are a couple of sites that should=0Aanswer your questions. You need a = good dummy load and a good=0Aoscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the a= mplifier is to do with =0AA/ the correct driver preferably using a FET=0Adrive chip (like TC4422 non a= nd TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET=0Afully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise tim= e with=0Aaccurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max = permitted gate=0Avoltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they=0Apop, look out for transients, a = diode clamp helps.  B/ Setting the=0Ashunt capacitance and inductance&= nbsp;in the drain circuit can be done empirically=0ASee article below. Then follow it with a low pass fil= ter, although the=0Aoutput wave will be surprisingly= =0Aclean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't nece= ssarily=0Aknow all the starting parameters and in any case the re= sult is going to=0Awide of the mark. The site below will gives some st= arting values. Best=0Ato use 'Scope measurements=0Ato set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On = /=0AOff rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the= =0Akey.
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These amplifiers are capable of=0Aincredibly good effici= ency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means=0Athe heat dissipation from= the FET is very low at high pow= er giving=0Acool heat-sinks!
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The GW3UEP (do=0Aa web search) single ended des= ign is capable good efficiency and=0Ahi= gh power depending upon the FET = used and Drain supply voltage. I=0Ahave modified one to run reliably at 140= watts and is capable of almost=0Atwice that into a dummy load with a heat s= ink that is fairly cool.=0AAdjusting L and C empirically=0Ausing the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max= efficiency=0Ais the way to go. The article below shows you what you are lo= oking for.=0AI set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to g= et the=0Acorrect drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak vol= tage=0Aacross the Dummy load. I then transfer my connector from t= he Dummy load=0Ato the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead.=0AI adjust the coupling link to give the = same peak voltage across the=0Atuner link turns. You are not looking f= or maximum peak just the sames=0Aas across the dummy load indicating a 50oh= m match. This is done by=0Aeither adding or reducing the num= ber of turns (about two turns) along=0Awith bringing the the transformer to= resonance by measuring the peak = up-lead=0Acurrent, here you are looking for the maximum peak.  <= /font>
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For = some bed time reading but ignor= =0Athe math look at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which= =0Atell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-p= oweramps.pdf
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---1613889061-985321963-1339628355=:5649-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6BE78380000E4; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjdZo-0007TP-Bk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:45:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjdZn-0007TG-Qn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:45:35 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjdZm-0000mn-4k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:45:34 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5QLjXwL005783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:45:33 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5QLjW5t032120 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:45:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEA2D0D.9050007@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:43:41 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, Now calling CQ on 476.5 kHz CW. FB conds this evening without QRN. Just worked DF6NM as my first station from Germany. 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: ddae800c6581715278ab3184b42d46db Subject: LF: 476.5 CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:363709344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf4fea2db61d3a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, Now calling CQ on 476.5 kHz CW. FB conds this evening without QRN. Just worked DF6NM as my first station from Germany. 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C3E823800008B; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh6N7-0006W4-BX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:54:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh6N6-0006Vv-UU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:54:00 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh6N5-0006ej-9W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:53:59 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: BF45E13809B.AD26A X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF45E13809B for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:53:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1E9F20046 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:53:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::a470:76b3:406d:2b1a%27]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:53:46 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Thread-Index: AQHNTmHXwBq4928hqUCFRDcy8F/qg5cCB0mAgAAnXmk= Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:53:46 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.14] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.129 (rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: actually 501.2kHz. Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. You are 579 with the usual QSB. I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared ERP abt 1W. 73, Rik ON7YD [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: RE: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430396192:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4fe0f53f6ae7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none actually 501.2kHz. Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. You are 579 with the usual QSB. I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared ERP = abt 1W. 73, Rik ON7YD ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse Jan/pa3abk On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > just in case someone wants... > I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > -- pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1ECF6380000AE; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Saw7h-0001wZ-Eh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:44:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Saw7g-0001wQ-Ul for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:44:36 +0100 Received: from smtp28.mail.ru ([94.100.176.181]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Saw7d-0007LP-Ny for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:44:35 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=mail.ru Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:References:To:From:Message-ID; bh=HR/aAZccGi+IpwYeeT4SAux1z0M+V0RNXpwfJllkmPQ=; b=qPnqddLoZseEsosqKCnNhqXkWWkPUhLkN+ezxP8WBRTMAeSEmXYBhbg2z5UwpGOCuPxlNlt6v1Gb8ib6ng6nhq8Il9xaAYMnxTVvcSeon3XmtltWFQkuiIaCKF7CN/lk; Received: from [79.98.8.29] (port=46759 helo=EFREMOV) by smtp28.mail.ru with esmtpa (envelope-from ) id 1Saw7Z-0007si-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:44:32 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <001301cd4108$e21e9010$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <1338658900.90499.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA625B.4050505@iup.uni-heidelber g.de> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 01:43:29 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hi Stefan, LF just now 73 agc [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [94.100.176.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rn3agc[at]mail.ru) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 7359e3db0d0d4e4b3f03652f0438e323 Subject: LF: Re: LF/MF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01CD412A.46D74F80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81215 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:432809536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d291.1 ; domain : mail.ru DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fca898047cd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CD412A.46D74F80 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Stefan, LF just now 73 agc > Hi Pete, LF, > > Pete, the RIG sounds good. Are you QRV on 137 kHz as well? We could try > for a QSO if you like. So far i didn't see you there on the band if i > remember correctly. > > 73, Stefan > > Am 02.06.2012 19:41, schrieb M0FMT: >> The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power (depending upon >> output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's >> currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators >> for the logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this >> rig, limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could >> separate the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the device I supose. >> The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer >> via a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the "Top" of the >> transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon insulating >> washers throught the wall and straight up to the 8inch ribbed >> glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope to a 24foot mast (soon >> to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long earthing wires. >> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CD412A.46D74F80 Content-Type: image/png; name="capt1181.png" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="capt1181.png" iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAArQAAABQCAIAAABnFnEwAAAAB3RJTUUH3AYCFSAlSAzaoQAAIABJ REFUeJzU3X18ldWVKP7v4ZhIQjDhCAYwKMRUCWoQjVQbquALxdLQWnxBWi9MW2qH2tJx2svMrb1q 650O97bcOrXe6dA7UzutderYsWpbtXWkKnYEC0JRKm8FeY3EkBCSkJMczu+PZ/aZfTihvZ/P759x ffLHk+c8z372Xnvt9bbXWjvFJJawClTSC1qZwCoGaGENMGbM65MmDd+3L79v3wfYQitTeJwtiqCW tsJ1KvVAPv88IxnL7cVPLuLBcF3H3uJf5/MoqGcnWM4Eto0Zc9uhQ/fzgCGgkQaeoIaLWA2aGxp+ dOhQe1fXdGaGm01sopnb2M4jZJnPfaGppTSwkbVhjPPZxqbwQNKf73J26Cru5N6oP2UMhOtK7uC5 gNIaqopHvZSRrBhqXAUUNfNK1IEVLGE3z5zkLeFbneH6P+b0D8ICTuWpMJuzSz4RT1+heyvYz33U MIeHWcZG3n3++be99tpXA7FBOv14LreGgw0Nd23f/rUwoa08UdztZMiNbKF53LiHDxxYECFhAa/T wUcC6laNGzfrwIFvsoWFLImmAI18OpUal88/y3b2RJNbGxFVQt4rWMF32RIGmHSjknt5lGZWhYXz 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Content preview: my grabber runs this night for your tests on 472.4....473.2 khz in QRSS1 mode it refreshs every 3 minutes [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.23 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dl7et[at]gmx.de) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_C1698 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_C1698 X-Scan-Signature: 195b836cb7437e99aa05107459888659 Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD49A9.097F97F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:344184928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494fd9020d2bd5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD49A9.097F97F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my grabber runs this night for your tests on 472.4....473.2 khz in QRSS1 mode=20 it refreshs every 3 minutes RX FT900=20 AER 7.5m groundplane http://www.mydarc.de/dl7et/grabber.htm=20 gud dx and vy 73=20 Veit DL7ET ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD49A9.097F97F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CD49A9.097F97F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 413D938000081; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SatlT-0001D9-Bd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:13:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SatlS-0001Ct-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:13:30 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SatlR-0006yB-D7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:13:29 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q52JDS1p013280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:13:28 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q52JDSiZ020369 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:13:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA6580.5050705@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:12:00 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <02F312E3BECE491093465DC96EAF847F@AGB> In-Reply-To: <02F312E3BECE491093465DC96EAF847F@AGB> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi G.., Am 02.06.2012 20:02, schrieb Graham: > > 136 is provided with two beacon speeds only , OP8 and OP32 , > changing mode , changes the frequency band. monitoring is one > speed only . But if the PC simply keys the PTT then how does the program know on which frequency i choose on the TX? So i could run any mode on any band, right? What distances have been achieved with OP8 so far? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436349120:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4fca66033d91 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi G.., Am 02.06.2012 20:02, schrieb Graham: > > 136 is provided with two beacon speeds only , OP8 and OP32 , > changing mode , changes the frequency band. monitoring is one > speed only . But if the PC simply keys the PTT then how does the program know on which frequency i choose on the TX? So i could run any mode on any band, right? What distances have been achieved with OP8 so far? > > It is possible to simply run 2 Op sessions , one set to say > OP8 and the other OP32 , or for other bands , one set to beacon , > the other qso mode. OK, understood. Well, 30% CPU load is very much for my PC since many SL instances are running there permanently. But for some alternative experiments, some time... I must admit the ease of simply steering the PTT sounds good... > > CPU loading , from recent posts > Single core 1.7 gig laptop with 2 > gig ram and winxp > > (fujitsu siemens lifebook s series) is reported by dg9bfc as > running ok, I find my old P4 3.2 ghz pc shows 25/35% cpu > loading .. Eddie reports his 1.6GHz Atom Processor Sammy Netbook, > is running Op no problems > > 73 -G.. R. 73, Stefan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EA4C53800008C; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZdo-0005Bl-70 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZdn-0005Bc-L6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:23 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbZdl-0007UG-8d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:56:22 +0100 Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so2475272wib.10 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:56:19 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=DLadr592gg8YD38GIdb+/9bPlBuGuvlbUJ7T19apX+A=; b=RIUPBTn32i+Sa2w5pWbO6XM27GGtLxQYUX4PdTzgnueOCInui8XjWFCQfZ8897+T+h eM+fMlVBdxwK4N8aoeWMSuIZ5vNElYlRT6+Aed7pV5hwhidhNqnS2hCzDf52HEG5gBsT e85LBz1GlVpsVzT3Z7sFq/zE+OchZxvxBwfPpfETmeedGAugdNo9TWbZ3l4mtpzXKOqq UzIqBMjV+Nv5CaDVpQFBxAUeLpDspyX1slw8NmzD3Yfym3seUCmf05ZgaQTdE6PkPVNv 4yzt6SXsDlPfPnKyk5oNLACAKvP5IB3vuc8bF8YVh907soWfEAmjUnWMut9aAvD3oSXY 9/Fw== Received: by 10.216.227.101 with SMTP id c79mr11559794weq.188.1338825379602; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc6-cmbg17-2-0-cust624.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com. 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Content preview: Dear Stefan, If you visit the group website the poll button is on the left. Press it, vote and leave thereafter. But I am still puzzled why you really have such an aversion to Yahoo Groups which thousands of hams have used happily and freely for years. They are a GOOD resource. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d63ea50e288c5ecb9bd7a86eeabe94f2 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A6956337-3533-4FA0-AAD9-3BE026D60FA3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:483958656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m013.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4fccdadb4b43 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-A6956337-3533-4FA0-AAD9-3BE026D60FA3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear Stefan, If you visit the group website the poll button is on the left. Press it, vot= e and leave thereafter. But I am still puzzled why you really have such an a= version to Yahoo Groups which thousands of hams have used happily and freely= for years. They are a GOOD resource.=20 Dear Mal, This all started as a simple suggestion of mine: Yahoo Groups offer everythi= ng this reflector has (speed,email flash messages etc) and so yet much more t= oo. I had NO wish to create a problem, especially with good people like Ste= fan who I greatly respect. I have never sought conflict and certainly my vie= ws on moderation have been totally misrepresented. Please, can we cool it? John (G3WKL),=20 I am rapidly losing the will to live :-) . Like me, you have only been tryin= g to do the best for LFers, including finding new ways to share knowledge an= d data with newcomers. I am so sorry this has become so contentious.=20 73s Roger=20 -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 16:03, John Gould wrote: > Stefan, >=20 > I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. = I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, s= o you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail a= ccount, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, v= ote and then un-subscribe. =20 >=20 > I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the o= ther group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =20 >=20 > 73 John, G3WKL >=20 > On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: > Hi Clive, LF, >=20 > For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo acc= ount it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo= party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are furt= her members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process. >=20 > My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. A= s long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to w= in and the other will be shut down after some time. >=20 > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: > If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting per= iod ends. > =20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-A6956337-3533-4FA0-AAD9-3BE026D60FA3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Dear Stefan,
If y= ou visit the group website the poll button is on the left. Press it, vote an= d leave thereafter. But I am still puzzled why you really have such an avers= ion to Yahoo Groups which thousands of hams have used happily and freely for= years. They are a GOOD resource. 

Dear Mal,
This all started as a simple suggestion of mine: Yahoo Groups offer= everything this reflector has (speed,email flash messages etc) and so yet m= uch more too.  I had NO wish to create a problem, especially with good p= eople like Stefan who I greatly respect. I have never sought conflict and ce= rtainly my views on moderation have been totally misrepresented. Please, can= we cool it?

John (G3WKL), 
I am rap= idly losing the will to live :-) . Like me, you have only been trying to do t= he best for LFers, including finding new ways to share knowledge and data wi= th newcomers. I am so sorry this has become so contentious. 
=
73s
Roger 

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver= --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 16:03, John Gould <johngould88@googlemail.com> wrote:
Stefan,

= I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. &n= bsp;I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked O= K, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-ma= il account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderator= s, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set= up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they v= oted.  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer <Stefan.Schaef= er@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
Hi Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo accou= nt it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo p= arty. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are furthe= r members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As l= ong as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win= and the other will be shut down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting perio= d ends.
 


= --Apple-Mail-A6956337-3533-4FA0-AAD9-3BE026D60FA3-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2E5ED380000DC; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 10:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd0db-0008I2-Tc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:58:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd0db-0008Ht-CX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:58:07 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd0dZ-0007za-OW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:58:06 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: An4TANIS0k9cHnWs/2dsb2JhbABFgXZ4Cpt8A5VWgQiCEwETAQEDSQIhCwIIAgEGAQIbOQEEGgYIHB0BAgIBAYU4B4IkG7kkkSYDiA2FMZdbgmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,377,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="37623259" Received: from host-92-30-117-172.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.117.172]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Jun 2012 15:57:57 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01cd4587$16abc5f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:57:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Now CQ 502 MF also qsx 7033 CW G3KEV Now CQ 502 MF also qsx 7033 CW G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: LF: cq 500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4587.166DAB80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:133549464:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4fd2134a7a4e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4587.166DAB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now CQ 502 MF also qsx 7033 CW G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4587.166DAB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CD4587.166DAB80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4EB9B3800008A; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 06:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScaEn-0000vP-Q3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:46:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScaEn-0000vG-AF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:46:45 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScaEl-00011C-9h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:46:44 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57AkeQ6000721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:46:41 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57AkeUu025998 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:46:40 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:45:08 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Joe, LF, Yes, we're here of course :-) Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended frequency range then or will you have to QSY? And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:374529504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824fd086e404f3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Joe, LF, Yes, we're here of course :-) Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time. BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended frequency range then or will you have to QSY? And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? Would it be possible to have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance? It would be possible for me to radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitation, this may become a problem... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca: > > Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa.... > > The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and > a 10 second carrier. Reports most welcomed. > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at > http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AD0B938000093; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjsms-0000w9-PL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:00:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjsms-0000w0-8x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:00:06 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjsmq-00050D-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:00:05 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5RE03Z9019817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:00:03 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5RE038Z005105 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:00:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEB1172.4070506@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:58:10 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: LF, PA3CPM, massive signal, white on black :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 24b28bbdcbfca290dab8f99364334f46 Subject: LF: PA3CPM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020600040002020301080004" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81777 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429934208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34feb12390c72 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020600040002020301080004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LF, PA3CPM, massive signal, white on black :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------020600040002020301080004 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="PA3CPM.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="PA3CPM.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAgAAAQABAAD/4QDmRXhpZgAASUkqAAgAAAAFABIBAwABAAAAAQAAADEB AgAcAAAASgAAADIBAgAUAAAAZgAAABMCAwABAAAAAQAAAGmHBAABAAAAegAAAAAAAABBQ0Qg U3lzdGVtcyBEaWdpdGFsIEltYWdpbmcAMjAxMjowNjoyNyAxNTo1NzozMgAFAACQBwAEAAAA MDIxMJCSAgAEAAAAOTc4AAKgBAABAAAAoQMAAAOgBAABAAAAkQAAAAWgBAABAAAAvAAAAAAA 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Best 73, Markus (DF6NM in JN59NJ) From: DL7ET Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:11 PM To: LF: Re: 500 khz [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.207.164 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: ad8e5dd63f7497fd9d71d15044db2e2b Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD49C6.6CD7B2C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472761344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m230.1 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44fd917626c3e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD49C6.6CD7B2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks very much for this Veit! Now at 22:33, my first QRSS test on = 472.6 kHz is nicely visible. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM in JN59NJ) From: DL7ET=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:11 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz=20 my grabber runs this night for your tests on 472.4....473.2 khz in QRSS1 mode=20 it refreshs every 3 minutes RX FT900=20 AER 7.5m groundplane http://www.mydarc.de/dl7et/grabber.htm=20 gud dx and vy 73=20 Veit DL7ET ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CD49C6.6CD7B2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks very much for this Veit! Now at = 22:33, my=20 first QRSS test on 472.6 kHz is nicely visible.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM in JN59NJ)
 
 
 
 
From: DL7ET
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:11 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz

my grabber runs this night for your = tests on=20 472.4....473.2 khz
 
in QRSS1 mode
 
it refreshs every 3 = minutes
 
RX FT900
AER 7.5m groundplane
 
http://www.mydarc.de/dl7e= t/grabber.htm 
 
 
gud dx and vy 73
 
Veit DL7ET
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Content preview: Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, attached my screen capture.  F4DTL Nicolas -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> A: _RSGB_LF <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Envoyé le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39 Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.91.96 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (f4dtl[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: c27c2e5880e6a74fb6caab19b89e0209 Subject: Re : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------MB_8CF143C5B3FDB49_205C_4F878_webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81371 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453570080:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m015.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fd31c7d0b7d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF143C5B3FDB49_205C_4F878_webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF143C5B3FDB49_205C_4F879_webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com" ----------MB_8CF143C5B3FDB49_205C_4F879_webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, attached my screen capture. =C2=A0 F4DTL Nicolas -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com> A: _RSGB_LF <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Envoy=C3=A9 le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39 Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS Hello Stefan, LF!I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very go= od, S/N more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local stati= on :-) RST =3D 599 UFB 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------MB_8CF143C5B3FDB49_205C_4F879_webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, attached my s= creen capture.
 
F4DTL Nico= las


-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
A: _RSGB_LF <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39
Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS

Hello Stefan, LF!
I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N more= than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-)
RST =3D 599 UFB

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF! Once again, braving the summer hole, i'm transmitting over night on 136.172 kHz in DFCW-90. Still hoping to leave some traces in that mode in YV. The days become longer here again now! 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7b4dbd93955117b98f3a6ac4d7602f88 Subject: LF: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:400119776:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410d4fe8f7a6675b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LF! Once again, braving the summer hole, i'm transmitting over night on 136.172 kHz in DFCW-90. Still hoping to leave some traces in that mode in YV. The days become longer here again now! 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A545F38000087; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl2w4-00080S-CO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:02:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sl2w3-00080J-UJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:02:23 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sl2w2-0007K6-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:02:22 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5UJ2K7m015607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:02:21 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5UJ2KVu029885 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:02:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEF4CC8.4090200@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:00:24 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FEEF3ED.4070503@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEEF3ED.4070503@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5UJ2K7m015607 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, As i arrived on the hill, a essential thing was missed: The antenna! Someone has carefully removed the complete construction, just a piece of a few meters remained in a tree. A pity :-( That must have been forest workers or so. It was to be expected that this will happen but i didn't expect that the complete construction will be taken. Don't know when this happened, i didn't use the earth antenna for a long time. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7ab87d4d3ea1d9dcb73a78e83fe4d608 Subject: Re: LF: An asymmetric feeded full wave dipole for the 630m band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:366357984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fef4d9872d0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, As i arrived on the hill, a essential thing was missed: The antenna!=20 Someone has carefully removed the complete construction, just a piece of=20 a few meters remained in a tree. A pity :-( That must have been forest workers or so. It was to be expected that=20 this will happen but i didn't expect that the complete construction will=20 be taken. Don't know when this happened, i didn't use the earth antenna for a long=20 time. Now i have just 1100m of that wire left, at home. I think i won't build a new earth antenna, not at all at this location=20 ;-) But i will try a MF dipole in some time. Thinking back what was done with this antenna, Michael Oexner received=20 me in 45km distance on 8970 Hz in DFCW-600. Also F5WK and others=20 reported to see me in QRSS-3 on 137 kHz. It was an interesting project=20 and worth the effort, even for that short time. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 30.06.2012 14:41, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > MF, > > Another thing. Right now it is 32 =B0C here. Best place it to stay on=20 > the beach or on the top of a hill in the forest. Today i choose the=20 > forest. > > Accidentally there is my 700m (ish) long earth antenna which has an=20 > average height above ground of 8m. Today i want to use it as a dipole=20 > for the 630m band. The feed point is somewhere in the middle but not=20 > exactly known. > > What will the efficiency and radiation pattern be? Is it a dipole or=20 > what? EZNEC says it will have 10 Ohm Z=3DR at resonance (Cu losses +=20 > "typical" ground losses). > > The WX forcast says there will be much QRN in the evening, anyway. > > Maybe someone can listen from time to time on 476.5 kHz? I will listen=20 > on the band (+ 500 kHz +-) too and maybe a QSO is possible. Who knows... > > If the antenna behaves as a dipole it should radiate E/W, so good=20 > chances for UK, PA and DF6NM, DJ2LF... > > I'll start now and may be "QRV" in 2 hours or so. > > Here, the first time my PA will operate in /p. Nice that it is smaller=20 > than a VHS video cassette and allows to generate QRP at high efficiency= ! > > 73, CU, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D1562380000B4; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZSS-00051G-MF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:44:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZSS-000517-5p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:44:40 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbZSP-0007RC-TS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:44:39 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q54FiaJE019624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:44:36 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q54FiamE030277 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:44:36 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:43:06 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear LF group, In the last few weeks, very sad things happened. We can't screw the time back. But a significant damage of closeness of the group happened i'm afraid. First members unsubscribed completely. For what? MORE? Is that more? It's a SHAME! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: d7fcd9b75df8d1b09ddef9df028bd9ae Subject: LF: general Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060400000308030803030701" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430913600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fccd82e71aa X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060400000308030803030701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF group, In the last few weeks, very sad things happened. We can't screw the time back. But a significant damage of closeness of the group happened i'm afraid. First members unsubscribed completely. For what? MORE? Is that more? It's a SHAME! Maybe the "people in power" begin to realise what is happening here. *I do not want to take part in the discussion any longer.* All the statements, worries, ideas, objections and appeals have been clearly formulated, many times! Amateur radio work on 137 kHz and below 9 kHz was a very nice time and work for me in the last 2.5 years. This wouldn't have been possible without this group. Thank you for that! I hope we can go on together in some time. 73! Stefan/DK7FC --------------060400000308030803030701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF group,

In the last few weeks, very sad things happened. We can't screw the time back. But a significant damage of closeness of the group happened i'm afraid. First members unsubscribed completely. For what? MORE? Is that more? It's a SHAME!

Maybe the "people in power" begin to realise what is happening here.

I do not want to take part in the discussion any longer. All the statements, worries, ideas, objections and appeals have been clearly formulated, many times!

Amateur radio work on 137 kHz and below 9 kHz was a very nice time and work for me in the last 2.5 years. This wouldn't have been possible without this group. Thank you for that!
I hope we can go on together in some time.

73! Stefan/DK7FC

--------------060400000308030803030701-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0ED8E380000BB; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd6wx-0002SC-Ny for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:42:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd6wx-0002S3-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:42:31 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd6wv-0001Ix-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:42:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q58LgRH2017821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 23:42:27 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q58LgR5D001188 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 23:42:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD27165.7060202@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:40:53 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002301cd4587$970dadd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <002301cd4587$970dadd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q58LgRH2017821 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I saw someone was transmitting on 137.0 right after i stopped the beacon. Not sure if this was you? It's a bit chaotic here with many people talking criss cross... They are all drunken of course, except me of course ;-) 73... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Fieldday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:378315584:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054fd271ef1d41 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I saw someone was transmitting on 137.0 right after i stopped the=20 beacon. Not sure if this was you? It's a bit chaotic here with many=20 people talking criss cross... They are all drunken of course, except me=20 of course ;-) 73... Am 08.06.2012 17:01, schrieb mal hamilton: > If I thought you could receive me I would TX even xband LF/MF. Have you > improved your RX es antenna. > I would be on CW only because QRSS is not necessary around EU > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:54 AM > Subject: LF: Fieldday > > > =20 >> LF! >> >> Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and >> experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and >> shapes will be tested. >> The locator will be JN49FV26GJ >> (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DJN49FV26GJ). If someone of the ot= hers >> offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some images to >> http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html >> Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I >> will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> =20 > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D51763800009D; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiClI-0000EW-VU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiClI-0000EN-E4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:32 +0100 Received: from nm22-vm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.109.226]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiClG-0003NR-Mh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:31 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.54] by nm22.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 22:55:28 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.249] by tm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 22:55:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2012 22:55:28 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.com Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 310624.45257.bm@omp1014.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 5212 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 2012 22:55:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1340405728; bh=vnydPfEM4d9ulmCQO0MoFRM/7PVt3QVphz7tbWxbXyo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RRHOL3KxaZi928ruba6yOX2QmN7CyLKzuYfm4MrtrTUogTdPCT40fSN6nxBnQX9whvJ6E9GU+IVKy0Q86HESMEeTUIcBh6nI4I7elr2fKpzK97FdAmvKQNBc67KdZ4IDJas0mQFIH/oyOlF3pYQ5JwmJpWazu4+WnO/Yh4eJY1I= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FtorAAJqyvH2tQu1DG3anfU/FSN0lHkZO/ux6tIo+EOY0pdaiZxbb3qn5pLaNBf7plgd7PzRlPrYQUgwET8HB082Aq2KLR27AEKCrkEQew0AOb7bpO180uF/pXk8rac5cw6eY2x4kXNMdCZXcyT8KGJ/MjPsXIjWifq9niW58gw=; X-YMail-OSG: gesmOhkVM1kC9ZA4P5JtPE8nZVonN9tHCVXvSEL_6Ypyjdy 2nJotfRH8MZ_JFqtip6pkKvyt8K7clJw2gIxy.u02YN6Jay41kZF5YwlDZVp nbocNLrpf3GLfwSNt3t2kQJMOoSG1Kk1ey_NNgeWUUi0qKuCdS4Yckc9RZtw 5L62vZOW4PZzqQgzsJEEOfPY0ZlTdKHsFAK6Sfwl3kaDuxakVtMsf5TcRfxu A2YVZt5Ti_TnORqwBrFp0dxT5tEXttSd5BFGVnfeBaXNFlZjngxuQ5i.5Bcu nMADO_UZhtgt_9We45wH7NmvfcK9LrMOtbwrZAwAqy5yutxO9.ezQqmMSD0m ITI7gCAq0CCh7mgGLIMFTaPWPmQl.Hltq_FEht9Go.SRQGz8pJDEzkz.n0yj DYI84aKeRcO2B6w-- Received: from [87.1.245.180] by web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:27 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4E6E0AD4.4838.465714@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <1315833746.18312.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4FE4E3E2.8030209@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340401559.71504.YahooMailNeo@web29501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4FE4E8F2.4010204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: <1340405727.5205.YahooMailNeo@web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:55:27 +0100 (BST) From: Daniele Tincani To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FE4E8F2.4010204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hello Stefan, it is a full license, no band/mode limitations, only tx power is limited to 500W max. 73 Daniele IZ5WWB Da: Stefan Schäfer A: Venerdì 22 Giugno 2012 23:51 Oggetto: LF: Re: IZ5WWB [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.226 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: cd16d8c2fb75309db133b7de4adb1391 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IZ5WWB Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="671563967-1821991048-1340405727=:5205" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:354431424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d021.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4fe4f8283f1c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --671563967-1821991048-1340405727=:5205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan,=0A=A0=0Ait is a full license, no band/mode limitations, only = tx power is limited to 500W max.=0A=A0=0A73=0ADaniele IZ5WWB=0A =0A=0A_____= ___________________________=0A Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: Venerd=EC 22= Giugno 2012 23:51=0AOggetto: LF: Re: IZ5WWB=0A =0A=0A =0AHi Daniele, =0A= =0AMy very congratulations! I hope you will enjoy the hobby from the=0Atran= smit site too! Is it a "full" licence or are you limited to some=0Aband and= certain power levels?=0AI would be happy to have a QSO some day with you.= =0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A=0AAm 22.06.2012 23:45, schrieb Daniele Tincani: = =0AHello=0AStefan, I got a callsign in Feb this year, so it is pretty new. = Only=0Alittle activity on VHF repeaters so far, plus plans for attempting Q= RP=0A/p on 20m. Free time is tight and new ideas to experiment with seem to= =0Anever stop... :-)=0A>73=0A>Daniele IZ5WWB =0A>=0A>=0A>__________________= ______________=0A> Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer mailto:Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de=0A>A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Inviato: Venerd=EC 22=0AGi= ugno 2012 23:30=0A>Oggetto: Re: LF:=0AFerrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?=0A= > =0A>=0A>Hi Daniele, =0A>=0A>I think the others have already answered (i'= m 21 mails in delay ;-) ).=0A>But what i want to ask: Since what time do yo= u have a amateur radio=0Acall? I've never heared from it so far. Or is it n= ew?=0A>=0A>73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A>=0A>Am 22.06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tin= cani: =0A>=0A>>=0A>>73 =0A>>Daniele IZ5WWB =0A>> =0A>=0A> --671563967-1821991048-1340405727=:5205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Stefan,
 
it is = a full license, no band/mode limitations, only tx power is limited to 500W = max.
 
73
Daniele IZ5WWB

Da:= Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><= br> A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Inviato: Venerd=EC 22 G= iugno 2012 23:51
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=0AHi Daniele,
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=0AMy very congratulation= s! I hope you will enjoy the hobby from the=0Atransmit site too! Is it a "f= ull" licence or are you limited to some=0Aband and certain power levels?=0AI would be happy to have a QSO some day with you.
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=0A73, Stef= an/DK7FC
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=0AAm 22.06.2012 23:45, schrieb Daniele Tincani:=0A=0A
Hello=0AStefan, I got a ca= llsign in Feb this year, so it is pretty new. Only=0Alittle activity on VHF= repeaters so far, plus plans for attempting QRP=0A/p on 20m. Free time is = tight and new ideas to experiment with seem to=0Anever stop... :-)
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=0A Inviat= o: Venerd=EC 22=0AGiugno 2012 23:30
=0A Oggetto: Re: LF:=0AFerrite broadband (LF-MF) a= ntenna?
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Hi Daniele,
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=0AI think the others have already answe= red (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ).
=0ABut what i want to ask: Since what = time do you have a amateur radio=0Acall? I've never heared from it so far. = Or is it new?
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=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC
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--671563967-1821991048-1340405727=:5205-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB15938000090; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjoNr-0000WX-Fb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:17:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjoNr-0000WO-07 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:17:59 +0100 Received: from nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.214]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjoNo-0002rT-Q1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:17:57 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.55] by nm17.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2012 09:17:55 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.250] by tm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2012 09:17:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2012 09:17:55 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 643484.54304.bm@omp1015.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 18544 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2012 09:17:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340788675; bh=5I48/PyG+GdHxwmnmbovFID5K3PcAbrE6jHQtf+HIVk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=exx4lf6X5z+CERIET+0ckjeIO2w5MjLAtBLiK8B9aA/MF6JL/uR3+6I7roOZBL1kg4/4ij4BFPTM+xCQeietxDTYwfFjHeNabFgZMha8z3OxGXaPdypqGLYrZriVUDR270KgG7Igq9jfWsM0+LXjNb2/j9FF/cNXhsRJKb9gWwY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jixAnQkD+WT5c8lhfqAjmuRClA8eHQ969TwM/7Mwba9LP+v2E7rDrZSo337WgdPhhFVmYAIPqWEW9+7qdy9sjRlpZChc5MOzDph0HVKg9UPw5LN6b0caQfTW3iUKWaP78iD8FKd67uL6/5D4/XaeJCzowoAMXu6Aj/wWW8qEIlQ=; X-YMail-OSG: flPajNoVM1lg0XJtVc9OxRZhRFZFx9MvZ_b7goWuuNkncjP 0S8Fy24MVUeD0uPsetmW.r8rs6aQc.GOHtrC1MZWFEAr9em6ERomRMefENIY 0.QgL7A3U1CKTUV__nZe30A5xMiCK3SODB7IFOvIZFAXdETPIAHQhpfnzyVh 5uxp1CEp6OUDpORsRuYTcPz1Nlybwyl8nVHjcMPqPHTZRUzrvnHljD7X8Owi vMsAXGdMAWyIELb_1P5ZCWT.xRaDUC_2_d3x9Eka7A5BVO8K.8W1hYkYx4fu iWrMpHtOP_ERb0HDrSq6depivQYIc.UbuIBdiavROoIPI2MB4s7yK6ReoQ75 Yhu8k87a28OY0ZATs_SA2StGCf.X2RvWc8XN3djshl6RbDtPWBeKRV8zMakg LCJY.AEO_e_ZgVAJPIrRoCrcHDYYU1hMzfSX3qdRuHbfxOnJo2H9_ Received: from [86.164.61.75] by web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:17:55 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <000c01cd53ce$235d5520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> Message-ID: <1340788675.17913.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:17:55 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <3051F36D89FF4ADDA56DB5B3BF40A26C@oz7foc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera keyer design and software with HEX code.  It works a treat. It has been keying a test oscillator for a day now. Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output  500kc/s 6CL6 valve TX on into a LW 35ft up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting 500kc/s USB. Don’t laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the past. 73 Pete M0FMT  IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.214 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1739384856-1340788675=:17913" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:439950912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-a415.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fead005654e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1739384856-1340788675=:17913 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=0AThanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing=C2=A0his PIC Opera keyer=0Ades= ign and software with HEX code.=0A=C2=A0It works a treat.=C2=A0 It has been= keying a test oscillator for a=0Aday now.=0ATonight (about 18:00 local) I = will put my 1 Watt RF output =C2=A0500kc/s 6CL6 valve TX on into a LW 35ft = up x=0A128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting 500kc/s USB.=0ADon=E2=80=99t = laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the past.=0A73 Pete M0FMT =C2=A0I= O91UX --435439028-1739384856-1340788675=:17913 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--435439028-1739384856-1340788675=:17913-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7505138000081; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfxjc-0008C2-Ai for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:28:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfxjb-0008Bt-LW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:28:31 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfxjY-0003ED-SA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:28:30 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5GISRs9017537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:28:27 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GISRsI027711 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:28:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCCFE5.30905@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:26:45 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8146402EAAE443729F66C932F047B78D@AGB> <4FDCC7A4.6080608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1728F969CC6A46E9B1579E8818B344EB@AGB> In-Reply-To: <1728F969CC6A46E9B1579E8818B344EB@AGB> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK. Give me some time, i will consider... Still no signal in Delft. Seems they use a band filter centered arround 505 kHz. Maybe i'm some dB down there... 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 20:04, schrieb Graham: > OK Stefan, > well all you need is to send carrier on ( 477KHz + 1700 > Hz) = 478.700 KHz , use Opera set to 500KHz OP4 mode Tx > and after 4 mins , you will have a s/n report from all tuned > to 477 KHz : ) > * * > > *17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB * > > G.. > > *From:* Stefan Schäfer > *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft > > Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now, > works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW. > Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First > tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur > signals. It's slowly starting here now. > I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... > I still have no idea about MF propagation... > Exciting! :-) > > 73, Stefan > > Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham: >> Ok Stefan , >> What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the >> RX to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly >> into io83lk hihi >> 73 -G.. >> >> *From:* Stefan Schäfer >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* LF: MF:477 via Delft >> >> Thank you Graham, eh i mean G.., >> >> Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to >> extend the range... >> >> Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham: >>> Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... ! >>> Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft >>> can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise >>> .should work ? >>> G.. >>> http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 7ee575a0a6578bbbbe5ea7af32688fd5 Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050205010509070407010607" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451662624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4fdcd0887a93 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050205010509070407010607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5GISRs9017537 OK. Give me some time, i will consider... Still no signal in Delft. Seems they use a band filter centered arround=20 505 kHz. Maybe i'm some dB down there... 73, Stefan Am 16.06.2012 20:04, schrieb Graham: > OK Stefan, > well all you need is to send carrier on ( 477KHz + 1700=20 > Hz) =3D 478.700 KHz , use Opera set to 500KHz OP4 mode Tx =20 > and after 4 mins , you will have a s/n report from all tuned=20 > to 477 KHz : ) > * * > > *17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB * > > G.. > > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft > > Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now,=20 > works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW. > Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First=20 > tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur=20 > signals. It's slowly starting here now. > I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft...=20 > I still have no idea about MF propagation... > Exciting! :-) > > 73, Stefan > > Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham: >> Ok Stefan , >> What mode are sending ? opera ? If so then I will set the =20 >> RX to 477 as well , Im sure some signal will leak directly=20 >> into io83lk hihi >> 73 -G.. >> >> *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* LF: MF:477 via Delft >> >> Thank you Graham, eh i mean G.., >> >> Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to=20 >> extend the range... >> >> Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham: >>> Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range ...= . ! >>> Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft >>> can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise=20 >>> .should work ? >>> G.. >>> http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ --------------050205010509070407010607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. Give me some time, i will consider...
Still no signal in Delft. Seems they use a band filter centered arround 505 kHz. Maybe i'm some dB down there...

73, Stefan

Am 16.06.2012 20:04, schrieb Graham:
OK  Stefan,
 
well   all  you  need  is to   send  carrier  on   ( 477KHz  + 1700 Hz)  =    478.700 KHz  , use  Opera  set to  500KHz   OP4  mode Tx   and  after  4 mins ,  you will  have  a  s/n report  from  all  tuned to  477 KHz  : )
 

17:53 500 DK8KW Op4 -29 dB  

 
G..
 

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Well, these are my very first tests. The PA has a CW key input now, works excellent. I think i will start with some carriers and a bit CW.
Last night i've finished to build my MF RX and a active antenna. First tests look promising but i still haven't heared or seen amateur signals. It's slowly starting here now.
I've just sent a carrier on 478 kHz but saw/heared nothing in Delft... I still have no idea about MF propagation...
Exciting! :-)

73, Stefan

Am 16.06.2012 18:21, schrieb Graham:
Ok Stefan ,
 
What mode  are  sending  ? opera ?  If  so  then   I will   set the  RX to  477  as  well  , Im sure  some  signal  will  leak   directly into  io83lk  hihi
 
73 -G..

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft

Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,

Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the range...

Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the  Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  477  via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  , but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
--------------050205010509070407010607-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C6FAD38000096; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Shpi2-0002II-Q2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:18:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Shpi2-0002I9-5h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:18:38 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Shphz-0004wC-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:18:37 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5LMIXZZ006467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:18:34 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5LMIXLg008816 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:18:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE39D4F.9010707@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:16:47 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Uwe, Are you QRV on MF as well? I'm asking myselfe how many stations are already listening on the band, and how many can transmit. Today we had massive lightnings here, no chance for any reception in the evening. I already got several SWL (or MWL) reports via email but didn't work a German station so far. My hope is that there will be a lot of activity also be newcomers making the much smaller jump from 1800 kHz to 475 kHz which is just a factor 4(ish) in wavelength. The jump from 1800 kHz to 137 kHz is much harder, so maybe the majority thinks that there is no possibility for amateur radio on LF. But those who think they are hard men because they can work on "top band" may consider to try something new now. If they start to receive there and even hear someone calling CQ, that would be helpful i think! BTW are you a CW man, will i hear you some day? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c0e6e8bcdc231effb9da2003d606d9a2 Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050808050902010508090900" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454747200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40594fe39df923af X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050808050902010508090900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Uwe, Are you QRV on MF as well? I'm asking myselfe how many stations are already listening on the band, and how many can transmit. Today we had massive lightnings here, no chance for any reception in the evening. I already got several SWL (or MWL) reports via email but didn't work a German station so far. My hope is that there will be a lot of activity also be newcomers making the much smaller jump from 1800 kHz to 475 kHz which is just a factor 4(ish) in wavelength. The jump from 1800 kHz to 137 kHz is much harder, so maybe the majority thinks that there is no possibility for amateur radio on LF. But those who think they are hard men because they can work on "top band" may consider to try something new now. If they start to receive there and even hear someone calling CQ, that would be helpful i think! BTW are you a CW man, will i hear you some day? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 21.06.2012 19:54, schrieb uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de: > Hi Geri, > and your signs at 472.5kHz are 599 in jo43sv. me and an other D-stn > tried to answer your CQ call some nights ago. sri, but no reaction. > GL > Uwe/dj8wx --------------050808050902010508090900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Uwe,

Are you QRV on MF as well? I'm asking myselfe how many stations are already listening on the band, and how many can transmit. Today we had massive lightnings here, no chance for any reception in the evening.
I already got several SWL (or MWL) reports via email but didn't work a German station so far. My hope is that there will be a lot of activity also be newcomers making the much smaller jump from 1800 kHz to 475 kHz which is just a factor 4(ish) in wavelength. The jump from 1800 kHz to 137 kHz is much harder, so maybe the majority thinks that there is no possibility for amateur radio on LF. But those who think they are hard men because they can work on "top band" may consider to try something new now. If they start to receive there and even hear someone calling CQ, that would be helpful i think!
BTW are you a CW man, will i hear you some day?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 21.06.2012 19:54, schrieb uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de:
Hi Geri,
and your signs at 472.5kHz are 599 in jo43sv. me and an other D-stn tried to answer your CQ call some nights ago. sri, but no reaction.
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/160818253496?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item257183ceb8 Just over £5 a pop! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256f326077 Just over £6 a pop! But what is the “Unobtainium” ferrite?  …… ;0) Chees Pete FMT   From: Jean-Pierre Méré To: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.21 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 18c0ce4cbca80559a8b22b14cd653174 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1507048413-1296473933-1340875355=:96079" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481912928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m014.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d64fec22b156d6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1507048413-1296473933-1340875355=:96079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan=0Ahttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Transistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-= /160818253496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem2571= 83ceb8=0AJust over =C2=A35 a pop!=0Ahttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CP= A-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_De= faultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326077=0AJust over =C2=A36 a pop!=0ABut what i= s the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6= ;0)=0AChees Pete FMT=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 28 J= une 2012, 9:42=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A= =0A=0A=0AHello Stephan ,=0AMe too =0A73=C2=A0 , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ=C2=A0 =0A= =0A=0A=0A=0ALe 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:=0A =0AHi Stephan= =0A>=0A>Me Too=0A>=0A> =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>From: "PA1SDB= , Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org=0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Se= nt: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12=0A>Subject: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running= at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>like =0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A= >>From: Rik Strobbe =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thur= sday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM =0A>>Subject: LF: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 = VDC =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>If=C2=A0someone is=C2=A0interested i=C2=A0may=C2=A0conv= ert the circuit=C2=A0from=C2=A0my=C2=A0mind=C2=A0into a schematic as a=C2= =A0png file. =0A>>=0A>>Always=C2=A0interested ;-) =0A>>=0A>>73, Rik=C2=A0= =C2=A0ON7YD - OR7T =0A>=0A> --1507048413-1296473933-1340875355=:96079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=0A=0AHi Stefan
= =0A=0AJust over =C2=A35 a po= p!
=0A= =0AJust over =C2=A36 a pop!<= o:p>
But what is the =E2= =80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite? = ;  =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0)
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Chees Pete FMT
=0A=0A =   From: Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 <jpm.f1afj@online.fr= >
To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org
Sent:= Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42
Sub= ject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

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=0A Me too
=0A 73  , Jean-Pierre F1AFJ&n= bsp;
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Horst,

 

quoting WRC-12 document 362-E:

"The maximum equivalen= t isotropically radiated power (e.i.r.p.) of= stations in the amateur service using frequencies = in the band 472-479 kHz shall not exceed 1 W. Administrations may increase = ;this limit of e.i.r.p. to 5 W in portions of&nbs= p;their territory which are at a distan= ce of over 800 km from the borders of Algeria,&nb= sp;Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Belarus, China, C= omoros, Djibouti, Egypt, United Arab Emirates<= /a>, the Russian Federation, Iran (Islamic R= epublic of), Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco= , Mauritania, Oman, Uzbekistan, Qatar, Syrian=  Arab Republic, Kyrgyzstan, Somalia= , Sudan, Tunisia, Ukraine and Yemen. In this frequency band, stations= in the amateur service shall not cause=  harmful interference to, or claim = ;protection from, stations of the aeronautical&nb= sp;radionavigation service."

So according= to this it is either 1W EIRP or 5W EIRP. But<= /a> this values should be&n= bsp;seen as a maximum, national authorities&= nbsp;can be more rigid.

I haven't had a close look on<= /a> a map, but it might be=  that the eastern part of Germany i= s within the 800km protection zone (Rus= sie, Belarus).

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens "Horst St=F6cker" [hors= t.stoecker@web.de]
Verzonden: woensdag 20 juni 2012 9:54
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams

Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full imple= mentation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. Wh= at was the maximum power in WRC2012?
The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really?
The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class E. = Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. 9W ERP= . Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. As HAM = with class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing.
It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with one= Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now BNetzA)= remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with ever= y kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: >250THz ist still allocated to class A AN= D E HAMs.
Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the club!<= br>
Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN)

Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Jun= i 2012 um 13:57 Uhr
Von: DK1IS <DK1IS@kabelmail.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg
Betreff: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams
Dear group,

to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the
MF-allocation in Germany which I=B4ve got today via email from our
authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA).

73 and cul on MF!

Tom, DK1IS
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - rather busy on a number of other fronts. However, as I have looked in to post the thing about the poll saw the comments below. What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can you elaborate as I am not aware of this. 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However, as I have looked in to post the thing about the poll saw the comments below. What is this restriction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can you elaborate as I am not aware of this. In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I would arrange the Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people using the URL from one on the many published sources would be able to find the group. I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don't want to be saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on the same basic topic. 73 John, G3WKL On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris wrote: > Mal, I agree. > Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a year or two > at least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF Today' and > probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably links to this > site from others which will be around for years. > Vy 73 all, > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM > Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status > > > John >> Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious >> problems >> with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small attachments and >> for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked well this >> has been pointed out by others. >> I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get more >> adverts that I do not need. >> Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo >> de mal/g3kev >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "pws" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM >> Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status >> >> >> To John, G3WKL, >>> >>> Please do NOT shut down this reflector. >>> >>> 1. It's active in positive sense. >>> >>> 2. There are too many hams here who say >>> "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven >>> Brave New World were each posting will be >>> "googleable" for ever. Me too. >>> >>> That's the reason I unsubscribed from >>> some Yapoo-Groups recently. >>> >>> 73 Peter, df3lp >>> >>> >> >> > > --e89a8fb2033ac9873d04c191e3bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry guys, but I'm not monitoring this list much - rather busy on a nu= mber of other fronts. =A0However, as I have looked in to post the thing abo= ut the poll saw the comments below. =A0

What is this res= triction Mal, on posting to Yahoo! Groups - can you elaborate as I am not a= ware of this. =A0

In answer to your comment Chris, I have said that I wou= ld arrange the Sysop to create a re-direct to the new group, so that people= using the URL from one on the many published sources would be able to find= the group.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, and really don= 't want to be saddled with monitoring and administering two groups on t= he same basic topic.

73 John, G3WKL

On 3 June 2012 12:04, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> wrote:
Mal, I agree.
Indeed, if the old site was to close I would suggest after a year or two at= least. I first discovered it through the RSGB book 'LF Today' and = probably many newcomers do the same. Also there are probably links to this = site from others which will be around for years.
Vy 73 all,
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net&g= t;
To: <r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status


John
Keep Blacksheep reflector going as backup. I never had any serious problems=
with it. It is perfectly functional and useful with small attachments and for larger screen shots then Dropbox is suitable and has worked well this has been pointed out by others.
I cannot see any advantage with the Yahoo reflector except I get more
adverts that I do not need.
Any mention of Underground LF/MF exploration are not permitted on Yahoo
de mal/g3kev


----- Original Message -----
From: "pws" <pws@legal-medicine.de>
To: <r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: LF: O.T.: Reflector status


To John, G3WKL,

Please do NOT shut down this reflector.

1. It's active in positive sense.

2. There are too many hams here who say
"no thanks!" to that advertisement driven
Brave New World were each posting will be
"googleable" for ever. Me too.

That's the reason I unsubscribed from
some Yapoo-Groups recently.

73 Peter, df3lp






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Content preview: Well unintended consequence may be playing a part in this as well , by the time the project was finished ,I think it was out of economic production range , the rest is on-going history as development costs probably will not be re-claimed , its cheap , but not that cheap , same as lots of posts about making digital back-ends for older HF radios ...eh ! , £10 soft rock or a dongel , job done , something in qst / qex looks 10 years too late , why not a Leakey grid 6c4 AM detector , if you want to go retro [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 79c1e67b102d3032f9e5dec6a7bff04e Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4FBB.BF663E80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:427993056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194fe3247e326f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4FBB.BF663E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well unintended consequence may be playing a part in this as = well , by the time the project was finished ,I think it was out = of economic production range , the rest is on-going history as = development costs probably will not be re-claimed , its cheap , = but not that cheap , same as lots of posts about making = digital back-ends for older HF radios ...eh ! , =C2=A310 soft = rock or a dongel , job done , something in qst / qex looks 10 = years too late , why not a Leakey grid 6c4 AM detector , if you = want to go retro=20 24 bit compared to the 8 bit USB-TV , but apparently that's not = the problem that might be imagined ......Ive one sitting in the = box , still slowly working down the things to do list ......... = now one that Tx over that range . that would be handy ! G..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Marco Beware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not = cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the dark side of ham radio = publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T stick is = probably a lower spec than that. But not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" =20 Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 10:30 Subject: RE: LF: SDR programs Hello Pete, I bought a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and = it=E2=80=99s very impressive how this small USB stick works. I compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive = with the Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the = same signal strength. SDR program is SDR-Radio http://sdr-radio.com/ vy73 Marco, DD7PC From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 20 June 2012 20:40 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app and = ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 = (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK = source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg = O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v = into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound = card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB = supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software = is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting software = for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to get = started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/ you will also find a = link to sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time to = learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4FBB.BF663E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well   unintended   consequence   = may =20 be playing  a  part  in this  as well , by the  = time=20 the  project  was  finished ,I think   it  = was  out of  economic  production  range  =  ,=20 the  rest  is on-going history  as  development = costs =20 probably  will  not  be  re-claimed , its  = cheap =20 , but  not  that  cheap  ,  same as  = lots =20 of  posts  about  making   digital =20 back-ends  for  older  HF  radios  ...eh = !  =20 , =C2=A310  soft rock  or  a  dongel  , = job  done ,=20 something  in qst / qex  looks  10  years too =20 late  , why not a  Leakey  grid  6c4  AM = detector ,=20 if  you  want to  go  retro
 
24  bit  compared to the  8 bit  = USB-TV   ,=20 but  apparently  that's  not the  problem that  = might  be  imagined ......Ive one  sitting  in = the  box=20 ,  still  slowly  working down the  things to  = do =20 list ......... now  one that   Tx over that  = range  .=20 that  would be  handy !
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Marco
 
Beware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not=20 cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes=20 the dark side of ham radio publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T stick is probably a lower spec than that. But not at = a ratio of=20 10 to 1!!!
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: "Scholz, Marco " <marco.scholz@citi.com>
To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org'"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012,=20 10:30
Subject: RE: = LF: SDR=20 programs

Hello=20 Pete,
I=20 bought a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it=E2=80=99s = very impressive=20 how this small USB stick works.
I=20 compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive = with the=20 Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the same signal=20 strength.
SDR=20 program is SDR-Radio http://sdr-radio.com/
 
vy73
Marco,=20 DD7PC
 
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 20 June 2012 = 20:40
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: SDR=20 programs
 
Hi all
Save those precious Euros = because you=20 don=E2=80=99t know how long they will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint = Seeber=E2=80=99s =20 BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) = DVB-T USB=20 stick.=20
These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to = =C2=A310 from UK source and=20 cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the = cheap=20 way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or = similar=20 block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to = UHF=20 coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.=20
Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations=20 with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough=20 all your local FM BC as well.  Not a lot of people know=20 that!
URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_comp= atibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You = won=E2=80=99t read about=20 this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0)
Yy 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es = GL Pete=20 M0FMT IO91UX
From: = Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012,=20 18:40
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi=20 Piotr,

Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i = searched=20 for.
But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR = software=20 is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're=20 referring on usable for both, IQ and mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one = of my SL=20 teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab = i would=20 prefer that i think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi = Stefan,=20 LF
>
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The = primary=20 supporting software for all their sdr  hardware is = Spectravue.
> you=20 can download this program from the rfspace site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult to=20 get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it you = will like=20 it:)
>
> on a "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/  you = will also find=20 a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
> =
> =20 they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver=20 front side
>  It has many many different options - of course, = it does=20 take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather = easy..
>=20
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and easy=20 to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr software = supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of = sdr=20 programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                  =  =20                     =  =20                     =  =20         yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: = Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
>
>=20




 
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Content preview: Hi Stefan, me too 73 Joe [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.165.64.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (df2jp[at]gmx.de) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: LF: AW: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:384959008:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24fec66ad7d0a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, me too 73 Joe -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Stefan = Sch=E4fer Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Juni 2012 00:33 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC MF, For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that=20 operates at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX = can be used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input power=20 must not exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can be=20 switched in 2 steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output = impedance and input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is not so=20 critical, Z=3DR may be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The FETs are=20 IRFZ48N types, the driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer uses RF litz=20 wire, 30x0.1mm diameter. I didn't spend to much effort for optimising=20 the efficiency, not at this power level. During a CW QSO or longer calls = at 50 W RF power the heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate)=20 becomes hand warm. The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF power. = The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this = measurement. If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a=20 schematic as a png file. 73, Stefan/DK7FC https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.= JPG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8FC6C380000B5; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 03:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjQKd-0003xn-LB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:37:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjQKc-0003xe-RI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:37:02 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjQKb-0001b5-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:37:01 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsFAFBm6U9cF/ft/2dsb2JhbABFoFADlVSBCIIPBBQBAQNJAiwCCAIBBgEdOQEEGgYkHQECAgEBh36XOKFhkTcDiBaFNpdogl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,476,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="396061151" Received: from host-92-23-247-237.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.247.237]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2012 08:36:59 +0100 Message-ID: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:36:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex working. I have also noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then select the one of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on CW. On FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a black hole, in other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the exact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation value) g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01CD536E.76320530" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:408383648:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fe966f3567d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CD536E.76320530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex working. I have also = noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM = transmitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be = opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then select the one = of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on CW. On = FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a black hole, in = other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the exact bandwidth of the = transmission (same deviation value) g3kev =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CD536E.76320530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and=20 simplex working.  I have also noticed a well modulated AM = transmitter=20 is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max range. On AM = the RX=20 bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations simultaneously = then=20 select the one of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same = applies on=20 CW.  On FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into = a black=20 hole, in other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the=20 exact bandwidth of the transmission (same deviation = value)
g3kev
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Thanks for your interest in my LF preparations. You are probably thinking about Martin GW3UCJ who was asking recently about getting a Velleman audio amplifier running on LF. I was lucky earlier this year to obtain a Decca 5501 (Many thanks Mal). It is now tuned to 136 kHz thanks to the very helpful and detailed notes posted on the internet by Jim M0BMU, Dave G0MRF and Mike G3XDV. The antenna is an inverted L with one end in a tree 22 m high about 90 metres from my shack with a 13 m mast. Will try to get a neighbours agreement for a 300m loop. For loading, two large clear-plastic “mixing” buckets giving 800 mm height and 300 mm width. I should be able to get 200 turns using a combination of Litz wire (thanks Mal) and Flexweave. Not sure if it will give enough loading or what the variable tuning arrangement will be. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 9e6ac1c683524e7e4b2b202bf15c4cf6 Subject: LF: Re: GW0EZY (reply to DK7FC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4759.B2B17C50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479751136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d012.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4fd51412613c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4759.B2B17C50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan =20 Thanks for your interest in my LF preparations. You are probably = thinking about Martin GW3UCJ who was asking recently about getting a Velleman = audio amplifier running on LF. =20 I was lucky earlier this year to obtain a Decca 5501 (Many thanks Mal). = It is now tuned to 136 kHz thanks to the very helpful and detailed notes = posted on the internet by Jim M0BMU, Dave G0MRF and Mike G3XDV. The antenna is = an inverted L with one end in a tree 22 m high about 90 metres from my = shack with a 13 m mast. Will try to get a neighbours agreement for a 300m = loop. For loading, two large clear-plastic =93mixing=94 buckets giving 800 mm = height and 300 mm width. I should be able to get 200 turns using a combination = of Litz wire (thanks Mal) and Flexweave. Not sure if it will give enough loading or what the variable tuning arrangement will be.=20 =20 A lot of work to do before LF Txing, so it was good to have the 7 MHz = X-Band QSOs this weekend with Mal on 136 and 500 kHz to give me a try at LF = ops. If any other LF op can do X-Band I would like to test and there are = probably other LF listeners who might like to try an X-Band test. If you can do X-Band to 40m or other HF band I=92m sure you would create a lot of = interest as your beacon is probably one of the first amateur signals new LFers = hear. =20 Unfortunately no amateur operation for me today (Sunday) as my XYL = wanted our grass cut between the Welsh rain storms (also missed the openings on = 4 and 6). =20 73 Terry GW0EZY =20 _____ =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 10 June 2012 18:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: GW0EZY =20 Terry Where does the audio amp business come from. DK7FC is always on BEACON = mode, no chance of a QSO there. QSO only via Telephone or email. He cannot hear me although my signal is audible/visible in the USA to = the west and Russia to the East. g3kev =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: LF: GW0EZY =20 Terry,=20 What kind ogf antenna will you use and what is the L of your coil? Will = you start using QRO or will you use the audio amp in the first attempt? The latest LF activities are very encouraging and i think we could go to a positive circle to increase activity on that band. Furthermore you may = be in a very good position to try to leave a signal in Venezuela. The last days there was no chance for me to leave a trace there but now Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and bought some parts for a loop = antenna, so we will go on there very soon! When will you come on air? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 09.06.2012 11:36, schrieb Terry GW0EZY:=20 I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. My CW is very = rusty!! I see you QSX 7033 for 502 =96 do you do the same for 136?? 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 10:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136.5 now Thanks Terry. Join in. I can work at any speed that suits you. So nice to QSO in CW = where information can be exchanged in a few minutes. Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode for communications on LF. = There is no need for long winded QRS when the signals are fairly strong and = both ends have suitable antennas.=20 73 es GL de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry GW0EZY =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now Nice to copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV !! Mal your RST 589 Mike your RST 579. 73 Terry From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 09 June 2012 09:40 To: rsgb Cc: rsgb Subject: LF: 136.5 now LF Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse call de g3kev =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4759.B2B17C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Stefan

 

Thanks for your interest in my LF preparations. You are probably thinking about Martin GW3UCJ who was asking recently about getting a Velleman audio amplifier = running on LF.

 

I was lucky earlier this year to = obtain a Decca 5501 (Many thanks Mal). It is now tuned to 136 kHz thanks to the = very helpful and detailed notes posted on the internet by Jim M0BMU, Dave = G0MRF and Mike G3XDV. The antenna is an inverted L with one end in a tree 22 m = high about 90 metres from my shack with a 13 m mast. Will try to get a neighbours agreement for a 300m loop. For loading, two large clear-plastic “mixing” buckets giving 800 mm height and 300 mm width. I = should be able to get 200 turns using a combination of Litz wire (thanks Mal) and Flexweave. Not sure if it will give enough loading or what the variable = tuning arrangement will be.

 

A lot of work to do before LF = Txing, so it was good to have the 7 MHz X-Band QSOs this weekend with Mal on 136 and = 500 kHz to give me a try at LF ops. If any other LF op can do X-Band I would = like to test and there are probably other LF listeners who might like to try an = X-Band test. If you can do X-Band to 40m or other HF band I’m sure you = would create a lot of interest as your beacon is probably one of the first amateur = signals new LFers hear.

 

Unfortunately no amateur operation = for me today (Sunday) as my XYL wanted our grass cut between the Welsh rain = storms (also missed the openings on 4 and 6).

 

73 Terry = GW0EZY

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 10 June 2012 = 18:38
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: = GW0EZY

 

Terry

Where does the audio amp business come = from. DK7FC is always on BEACON mode, no chance of a QSO there. QSO only via = Telephone or email.

He cannot hear me although my signal is audible/visible in the USA to the west and Russia to the East.

g3kev

 

 

----- Original Message ----- =

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 4:51 PM

Subject: LF: = GW0EZY

 

Terry,

What kind ogf antenna will you use and what is the L of your coil? Will = you start using QRO or will you use the audio amp in the first attempt? The = latest LF activities are very encouraging and i think we could go to a positive = circle to increase activity on that band. Furthermore you may be in a very good position to try to leave a signal in Venezuela.
The last days there was no chance for me to leave a trace there but now = Martin/YV7MAE told me he has time and = bought some parts for a loop antenna, so we will go on there very soon!
When will you come on air?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 09.06.2012 11:36, schrieb Terry GW0EZY:

I am still winding antenna loading coils for 136 kHz. = My CW is very rusty!!

I see you = QSX 7033 for 502 – do you do the same for = 136??

73 = Terry

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 = 10:26
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Subject: LF: Re: RE: = 136.5 now

Thanks Terry.

Join in. I can work at any speed that suits = you. So nice to QSO in CW where information can be exchanged in a few = minutes.

Around EU CW has always been a suitable mode = for communications on LF. There is no need for long winded QRS when the = signals are fairly strong and both ends have suitable antennas. =

73 es GL de = mal/g3kev

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Terry GW0EZY =

Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:07 AM

Subject: LF: RE: 136.5 now

Nice to = copy my first real CW QSO on 136.5 between G3KEV and G3XDV = !!

Mal your = RST 589 Mike your RST 579.

73 = Terry

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal = hamilton
Sent: 09 June 2012 = 09:40
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb
Subject: LF: 136.5 = now

LF

Now CQ on 136.5 CW. QSO MODE only, pse = call

de g3kev

 

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD4759.B2B17C50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C8D99380000B4; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1PB-00021i-Jp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:23:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg1PB-00021Z-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:23:41 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg1P9-0004G7-Ks for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:23:40 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFAG4G3U9cHYIc/2dsb2JhbABFn3IDlV6BCIITFAEBA0kCIQsCCAIBBgEdOQEEGgYcCB0BAgIBAYd+t3SRcwOID4U0l16CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,424,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395086473" Received: from host-92-29-130-28.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.130.28]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 23:23:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01cd4c0e$aa4abbd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Cc: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:23:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: DK7FC calling CQ but no reply to my call on 502 SAME OLD PROBLEM HE HAS NO EARS on this band either !!!!!!!!!!! de g3kev DK7FC calling CQ but no reply to my call on 502 SAME OLD PROBLEM HE HAS NO EARS on this band either !!!!!!!!!!! [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: LF: 477 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD4C0E.A9C78210" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:296786464:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fdd07a6059b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD4C0E.A9C78210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DK7FC calling CQ but no reply to my call on 502 SAME OLD PROBLEM HE HAS = NO EARS on this band either !!!!!!!!!!! de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD4C0E.A9C78210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DK7FC calling CQ but no reply to my call  = on 502 SAME=20 OLD PROBLEM HE HAS NO EARS on this band either !!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CD4C0E.A9C78210-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BE17738000088; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sey3t-0005oK-4b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:37:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sey3s-0005oB-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:37:20 +0100 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sey3q-0006oA-8d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:37:19 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.8.23]) by mwinf5d49 with ME id N0dG1j00K0VovFE030dGu3; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 02:37:17 +0200 Message-ID: <416938ABA2424936929BCD1EAFA83FD9@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FD91315.3070102@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FD91315.3070102@kpnmail.nl> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:37:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120613-0, 13/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok jan, That's very good , 40 watts to RN3AGC , 22-21 seems to be the time to try ! G.. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:24 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460925184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4fd932915e95 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Ok jan, That's very good , 40 watts to RN3AGC , 22-21 seems to be the time to try ! G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "pa3abk" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:24 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: PA0A RN3AGC 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:24 > > > Could reach him once, just taking the chance of positive propagation wave. > Albert managed to pre-heat the duct towards Moscow having -15dB. > Mostly I differ 6-10dB with his signal. > The last sequence PA0A slowly disappeared on my end, had to give him 1dB, > normally he is 6. > > 22:21 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -17 dB in Moscow > 22:16 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -23 dB in Moscow > 22:07 500 PA3ABK de RN3AGC Op4 2178 km -28 dB in Moscow with 40w + > L-ant 35m+wat > 22:02 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 -15 dB in Moscow > 21:53 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -29 dB in Moscow > 21:40 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -28 dB in Moscow > 21:13 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -24 dB in Moscow > 21:06 500 PA0A de RN3AGC Op4 2019 km -32 dB in Moscow > > Jan/pa3abk > > > > > > On 14-6-2012 0:04, Graham wrote: >> What s/n levels ? >> G.. >> Txmtr Rcvr >> Band >> Mode >> Distance >> Time (UTC) >> >> PA0A RN3AGC >> 600m OPERA 2020 kms 21:40:24 >> PA3ABK PA3ABK >> 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:45:31 >> PA0LPN PA0LPN >> 600m OPERA 0 kms 21:41:05 >> > > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B5D0B3800009B; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh60c-0006Ee-Nl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:30:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh60c-0006EV-8K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:30:46 +0100 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh60a-0006XD-CI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:30:45 +0100 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=D8PF24tj c=1 sm=0 a=M7r3sPlUCYIwdz/9+93PXw==:17 a=r-ZO7jH4oiAA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=NoAKp6exAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4AaLRt_ha3d4bikzfeEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=B0cvAcWxpcAA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=M7r3sPlUCYIwdz/9+93PXw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.84.49.204 Received: from [76.84.49.204] ([76.84.49.204:2493] helo=atom1) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1B/36-13336-18FE0EF4; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:30:42 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Ron Kolarik" To: , References: <20120619.120722.1661.612898@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:29:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: If you're lucky they're dead, otherwise your day could get as bad as what the snake is having......been there. Ron K0IDT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [71.74.56.122 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436152064:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fe0efba2584 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none If you're lucky they're dead, otherwise your day could get as bad as what the snake is having......been there. Ron K0IDT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 > > > > Sometimes there are dead snake heads sticking out ?? > > Bob K3DJC > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:35:59 -0400 Dexter McIntyre W4DEX > writes: >> mal hamilton wrote: >> > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST >> > >> Very nice hay mast! Also nice to see square bales once again. Hay >> >> bales are now round here. You haven't lived until you have loaded >> hay >> bales on trailer in a hot buggy field watching carefully for live >> snake >> heads sticking out of the bales :) >> >> Dex >> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 24E68380000A0; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYTd-00047d-Qq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:41:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYTd-00047U-EB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:41:49 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbYTb-00073P-Qa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:41:48 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q54EfkQi031655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:41:46 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q54EfjMR027923 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:41:45 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCCC8CF.5080503@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:40:15 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q54EfkQi031655 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Clive, LF, Well, maybe this is an equitable idea. I also noticed that many of those who are not (at all) enganged in LF activity put out the loudest shouts to shut down the blacksheep reflector! 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: LF: 2 groups Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1474fccc96f65a6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Clive, LF, Well, maybe this is an equitable idea. I also noticed that many of those=20 who are not (at all) enganged in LF activity put out the loudest shouts=20 to shut down the blacksheep reflector! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 09:04, schrieb Clive Lorton: > Gentlemen, > > I=92m beginning to think there has to be a place for both groups. Black= sheep as it generally is now for QSO and signal reports and Yahoo for tec= hnical discussion. That way daily QSO information will not be archived a= nd design/construction projects can make full use of the search function = and files section of Yahoo. > > Just my two pence worth=85=85.. > > Clive g8poc > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 50A4B380000A7; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShhGA-0007tz-Js for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:17:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShhGA-0007tq-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:17:18 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShhG5-0006ig-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:17:17 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews26.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.192]) by cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:17:11 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.19]) by cpsps-ews26.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:17:11 +0200 Received: from none092f49232b ([84.82.63.22]) by CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:17:11 +0200 Message-ID: From: "L v Erck" To: References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:17:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2012 13:17:11.0177 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AA2E790:01CD4FB0] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Danke Tom für Info 472-429 kHz. Aber... man sagt NICHTS von den Modi die man gebrauchen darf... 73 Louis/PAoLCE ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK1IS" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.15 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 1.5 TVD_FINGER_02 TVD_FINGER_02 X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: LF: Re: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:463398624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864fe31f150e72 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Danke Tom fr Info 472-429 kHz. Aber... man sagt NICHTS von den Modi die man gebrauchen darf... 73 Louis/PAoLCE ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK1IS" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Dear group, to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the MF-allocation in Germany which I´ve got today via email from our authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). 73 and cul on MF! Tom, DK1IS JN59WK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F0F78380000B9; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 07:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfrRJ-0005kr-0j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:45:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfrRI-0005ki-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:45:12 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfrRG-0001eP-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:45:11 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai4FAFxx3E8CYr18/2dsb2JhbABFgkWDEpoekzKCK4EID4IJAQEFCBsmDQIGCR0BBAUDAxEDAQEBCiECAjMGFggGEwgJh2wDD6YoiGALiVCKVmKDIIIJMmADjUOSYIR+gmE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,422,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395028691" Received: from host-2-98-189-124.as13285.net (HELO TraceyPC) ([2.98.189.124]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2012 12:44:52 +0100 Message-ID: <882AFE4ED32C4522A58877959BFF0117@TraceyPC> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <2C0E979FCD1845DC8B3CA6CBBED621F0@AGB> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FDB065C.8060202@xs4all.nl> <1339767393.38173.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <6127C0D605D3463B803A5D57D87FEC56@AGB> In-Reply-To: <6127C0D605D3463B803A5D57D87FEC56@AGB> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:44:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: If you're talking about spot on 477kHz there are four NDB carriers nominally on that frequency. 73s Tracey ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b2000330e4064ca60a9f57e731b892da Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0590_01CD4BBD.D008EB40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464602624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84fdc71f0025a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0590_01CD4BBD.D008EB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you're talking about spot on 477kHz there are four NDB carriers = nominally on that frequency. 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Up to now , 477 is the only frequency on offer ? G. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? I'd go with that Albert. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Albert To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 10:54 Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? G, Just to start the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz. 73, Albert No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5072 - Release Date: = 06/15/12 ------=_NextPart_000_0590_01CD4BBD.D008EB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
If you're talking about spot on 477kHz there are four NDB carriers=20 nominally on that frequency.
 
73s Tracey
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 12:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera = QRG for=20 472 Khz Band ??

Up to now , 477 is the  only  frequency   on = offer=20 ?
 
G.

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band=20 ??

I'd go with that Albert.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Albert <westberg@xs4all.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Friday, 15 = June 2012,=20 10:54
Subject: Re: = LF: RE:=20 New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

G,

Just = to start=20 the discussion, my proposal is dial 477 kHz.

73,=20 Albert





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Content preview: Hi again Stefan  The Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel :@(( Do you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be stranded up to make a synth?  73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d5ac66e7920295f519efeb68ecc59e6f Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-506020663-1340876781=:29716" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:468112032:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d017.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54fec28323c1b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-506020663-1340876781=:29716 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi again Stefan=0A=C2=A0=0AThe Litz is too, only by the Km or 10Kg reel....= ...... :@((=0A=0ADo you create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that c= ould be stranded up to make a synth?=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91= UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: M0FMT =0ATo: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =0A= Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA r= unning at 12 VDC=0A =0A=0AHi Stefan=0Ahttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IRFZ24N-Tr= ansistor-x-1-pieces-IRFZ24-/160818253496?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_= Supplies_ET&hash=3Ditem257183ceb8=0AJust over =C2=A35 a pop!=0Ahttp://www.e= bay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ICL7667CPA-MAXIM-IC-DRIVER-MOSFET-DUAL-PWR-8-DIP-1-PIECE-= B7-/160779362423?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem256f326077=0AJust over = =C2=A36 a pop!=0ABut what is the =E2=80=9CUnobtainium=E2=80=9D ferrite?=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 ;0)=0AChees Pete FMT=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: Jean= -Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org =0ASent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 k= Hz PA running at 12 VDC=0A=0A=0A=0AHello Stephan ,=0AMe too =0A73=C2=A0 , J= ean-Pierre F1AFJ=C2=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0ALe 28/06/2012 10:36, M0FMT a =C3=A9cr= it=C2=A0:=0A =0AHi Stephan =0A>=0A>Me Too=0A>=0A> =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT I= O91UX=0A>=0A>From: "PA1SDB, Peter" mailto:pa1sdb@amsat.org=0A>To: rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:12=0A>Subject: LF: = Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>like =0A>=0A>----- O= riginal Message ----- =0A>>From: Rik Strobbe =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 AM =0A>>Subject: LF: RE:= 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>If=C2=A0someone is=C2=A0inter= ested i=C2=A0may=C2=A0convert the circuit=C2=A0from=C2=A0my=C2=A0mind=C2=A0= into a schematic as a=C2=A0png file. =0A>>=0A>>Always=C2=A0interested ;-) = =0A>>=0A>>73, Rik=C2=A0=C2=A0ON7YD - OR7T =0A>=0A> ---1613889061-506020663-1340876781=:29716 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi again Stefan
 
The Litz is too, only by = the Km or 10Kg reel.......... :@((
 
Do you= create your own I have 0.125 solid C/E guess that could be stranded up to = make a synth?

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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= From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org>
Sent:= Thursday, 28 June 2012, 10:22
Su= bject: Re: LF: Re: RE: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC
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=0A=0AHi Stefan=
=0A= =0AJust over =C2=A35 a pop!<= /font>
=0A=0AJust over =C2=A3= 6 a pop!
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To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 9:42 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE:= 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC

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---1613889061-506020663-1340876781=:29716-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 261B638000084; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBTz-0008Ii-7t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:08:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBTy-0008IZ-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:08:38 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbBTx-0001eq-AR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:08:37 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AisCAChvy09OlnGb/2dsb2JhbAANN7BRhnABAQEBAgF+CwsEAQQPCRYPCQMCAQIBRRMIAQGIArVZixGCeoMWA5Ubklc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,708,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="37001705" Received: from host-78-150-113-155.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.2.7]) ([78.150.113.155]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 03 Jun 2012 15:08:36 +0100 Message-ID: <4FCB6FE3.8050903@psk31.plus.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:08:35 +0100 From: g3zjo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCB4FAE.5070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCB605D.9000308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCB605D.9000308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 03/06/2012 14:02, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > Roger, > > I didn't expect that you try to understand me. At least i hope that > you (and John) don't ignore that here are many others who Stefan I am sure Roger did try, and I did too, I normally understand you, this time I don't. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 9d01e9df836df8dd3868645661e1c1f7 Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040608030108010509030207" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:458856704:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4fcb70137f54 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040608030108010509030207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 03/06/2012 14:02, Stefan Schfer wrote: > Roger, > > I didn't expect that you try to understand me. At least i hope that > you (and John) don't ignore that here are many others who Stefan I am sure Roger did try, and I did too, I normally understand you, this time I don't. > There are also XYLs that can do SO MUCH MORE. Would you change? > You bring in some very odd arguments. I don't expect my XYL to boil my dinner in a large pot on a wood fire outside, or hand wash clothes down in the river, I bought her a washing machine to provide modern facilities to help her, this is not throwing her away or changing her, just the facilities.. Eddie --------------040608030108010509030207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/2012 14:02, Stefan Schäfer wrote:
Roger,

I didn't expect that you try to understand me. At least i hope that you (and John) don't ignore that here are many others who

Stefan I am sure Roger did try, and I did too, I normally understand you, this time I don't.

There are also XYLs that can do SO MUCH MORE. Would you change?

You bring in some very odd arguments. I don't expect my XYL to boil my dinner in a large pot on a wood fire outside, or hand wash clothes down in the river, I bought her a washing machine to provide modern facilities to help her, this is not throwing her away or changing her, just the facilities..

Eddie
--------------040608030108010509030207-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B92AB3800008A; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShIJA-0001mb-7s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:38:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShIJ9-0001mS-Nq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:38:43 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShIJ8-0001to-0F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:38:42 +0100 Received: from [10.151.149.115] ([109.144.215.255]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LjcUK-1SA9Pb2U0W-00c8zC; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:38:41 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Clive Lorton X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <003d01cd4eb7$1b167250$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:38:34 +0100 Message-Id: <0682CC7B-50CB-47F9-8600-373245E572B3@thelortons.co.uk> References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <001301cd4e5b$49a430a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE10D99.2030003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003d01cd4eb7$1b167250$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:VIM7kBoOXrcClif7zczIRDFghczBcACc9P6yGgRKciB Ljh+TNB7TAmhqso7kuDathB0YC+i2UGJbi/sVnHxsE/muBXPJD nL+/YiQdX2Vu1IcZ+rkezJxqX3OnNcyHHIbm0E7dmJWZswUMkL EbyurQ6RSjogNqAXTpBuIKM0HuW9ceQ7rV90nlFGI7ncYGkVsL vhpMcHyddy9X+0ST++KMav++9NeOTKya3Tr0KuH6pyWXhI4cBX 3YQu2sjgveQYLMKJWE6QGxZLRzZ8xHHnI15bHcPPHZR4Oyl8JA Nx/pz4nNPVpCpQgEmIpSPjWloqkvco1t3vcRngmVQHXYLOfhJf Xw0PosPvyuJxE5mP1EBI5nxENM9fIBH6wppZd+MKqUSJPq777h 3c+upHzbxEg0ffhZ2nLJdVe+u8u+2OMK+A= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Mal, It was my understanding that you only got a invite to your BBQ by a QSO. :-) Clive g8poc [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3efbf4053c1a70bbeb6c0a0cc657f05e Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_119E5051-D387-48F3-860A-7FB0F801E117" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:392426656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40924fe1a8607021 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail=_119E5051-D387-48F3-860A-7FB0F801E117 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mal, It was my understanding that you only got a invite to your BBQ by a QSO. = :-) Clive g8poc On 20 Jun 2012, at 08:34, mal hamilton wrote: > Yes Stefan > Invitation to BBQ at G3KEV QTH------------- Bring your own BUFFALO = ----------I will supply the HAY > =20 > mal/g3kev > =20 > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:39 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 >=20 >=20 > Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal hamilton: >>=20 >> Stefan >> You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW. >> HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is = what they sleep on as a bed. >> ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left = with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus = other things. >=20 >> Move to the countryside for quality of life > Oh is this an invitation? :-) > All the reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You would = have enough area for us all. Which day do you suggest. >=20 > And please can we get a tutorial how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, = i.e. a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-) >=20 > de dk7fc >=20 >=20 >> for example at a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in the = city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe the tail >> In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ tripe, black sausage = and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be = prepared!! >> Meanwhile back to MF es LF, I am now CQ on 502 but search the band = and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum >> =20 >> de g3kev >> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_119E5051-D387-48F3-860A-7FB0F801E117 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Yes = Stefan
Invitation to BBQ at G3KEV = QTH------------- Bring your own BUFFALO ----------I will supply the = HAY
 
mal/g3kev
 
 
 
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Am 19.06.2012 22:37, schrieb mal = hamilton:
Stefan
You city folks are getting confused between HAY and = STRAW.
HAY is what animals EAT, =  mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is what they sleep on = as a bed.
ie Corn straw, barley = straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left with after Thrashing to = remove the seed to make flour for example plus other = things.

Move to the countryside for = quality of life
Oh is this an invitation? = :-)
All the reflector members having a BBQ fieldday at G3KEV? You = would have enough area for us all. Which day do you suggest.

And = please can we get a tutorial how to build a real LF/MF/VLF system, i.e. = a inv-L and a sqare loop? :-)

de dk7fc


for example at a BBQ country = folks roast a whole steer whereas in the city/town you have to settle = for a sausage and maybe the tail
In = Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ  tripe, black sausage = and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be = prepared!!
Meanwhile back to MF es = LF,  I am now CQ on 502 but search the band and 136.5 also QSX es = srch the 475 Khz spectrum
 
de = g3kev
 
 



= --Apple-Mail=_119E5051-D387-48F3-860A-7FB0F801E117-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5662E380000BF; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShRuU-0004bh-Tr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:53:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShRuU-0004bY-Di for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:53:54 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShRuS-0006VA-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:53:53 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: B476A128044.AE119 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-1e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.33]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B476A128044 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:53:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B50BD4042 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:53:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB3.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::a470:76b3:406d:2b1a%27]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:53:41 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: RE: Test signal needed Thread-Index: AQHNTm2qQZOgOTnwJESB0XzNInVbIJcCvQ8XgACQ+ACAAGIrNg== Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:53:40 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB1DE5@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be>,<4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB1C6F@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be>,<4FE201B2.6030102@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE201B2.6030102@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.14] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hi Stefan, a step attenuator may be a good solution in order to adjust the signal levels deênding on QRM / QRN / signal. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 20fb97b64762a0bd80c12a4b2f6724b0 Subject: RE: LF: RE: Test signal needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497934144:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fe2389b24fd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, a step attenuator may be a good solution in order to adjust the signal leve= ls de=EAnding on QRM / QRN / signal. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: woensdag 20 juni 2012 19:00 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: Test signal needed Hi Rik, Am 20.06.2012 08:28, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > About the TX antenna used as RX antenna: that often works fine if you do = not overload the RX (BC at 525kHz+). I always use the 20dB attenuator of my= good old TS440 to RX on my 11m high / 25m ling Lazy-L antenna. Well, didn't measured yet but i think the transmit antenna is very selective too. Anyway the signal levels may be to high in the near BC region. I've checked the filter curves in my small active antennas. Both, the ferrite and the E field antenna are resonated, the E field antenna uses a L to ground in front of the first gate. These are the curves: Active ferrite antenna: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/MFferrite.png Active E field antenna: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/MFactiveE.png The main aspect is to filter DLF at 153 kHz which causes much trouble here... Also my receiver is selective it selfe. As i said, 500 kHz is already 30 dB down... > As long as the band noise is above the RX noise you won't loose any sen= sititity. > That's clear. But "band noise" is not so easy to find here. It's always the question what the man made noise part is. However this seems to be less critical on MF than on LF, as others already said.. 73, tnx, cu Stefan/DK7FC > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: woensdag 20 juni 2012 0:44 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: Test signal needed > > Rik, MF, > > Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much > better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. Maybe > you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? > > It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that > many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops that > were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. > > I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test > signals from amateurs. > > 73, Stefan > > Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > >> actually 501.2kHz. >> Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. >> You are 579 with the usual QSB. >> I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared E= RP abt 1W. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD >> >> ________________________________________ >> Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] >> Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 >> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW >> >> Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse >> Jan/pa3abk >> >> On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> >> >>> just in case someone wants... >>> I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it >> >>= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id ABB783800009D; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 08:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbA7X-00072X-4u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:41:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbA7W-00072O-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:41:22 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbA7V-0001DZ-8h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:41:21 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120603124120.GADW4604.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:41:20 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120603124120.QYHW23925.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:41:20 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:41:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4FCB6979.16782.CAC7BE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=U0ykz8pLPa3IpxLRZggA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I am puzzled by those few who are against the change-over to Yahoo. Once you have joined and set your option to "e-mail only", you never need to visit the Yahoo site again and the emails from Yahoo are virtually the same as those from this reflector. How does the change affect the user? 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Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 010B7380000BD; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3Ck-0000kO-Lo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:42:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd3Ck-0000kF-9m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:42:34 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd3Ci-0000QJ-Jr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:42:33 +0100 Received: from [10.0.0.175] (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q58HgPrj054814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:42:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4FD23981.9020104@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:42:25 +0200 From: Albert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301cd458c$d9c61db0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FD2274D.2080008@xs4all.nl> <000701cd459a$f8fdb8b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000701cd459a$f8fdb8b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mal, Up to abt. 700 km it is no problem in the CW QSO mode but for stations like IK1WVQ 1024km, RA3TTS 2523km, RN3AGC 2019km, UA1AVA 1640km and others over 1000km OPERA or WSPR is the only convenient way to gather some reports and create summer time DX-activity. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: ddae800c6581715278ab3184b42d46db Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz OPERA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:322376512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf4fd239ce1b1c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Mal, Up to abt. 700 km it is no problem in the CW QSO mode but for stations like IK1WVQ 1024km, RA3TTS 2523km, RN3AGC 2019km, UA1AVA 1640km and others over 1000km OPERA or WSPR is the only convenient way to gather some reports and create summer time DX-activity. 73, Albert PA0A From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DDBC83800008C; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfzg7-0000pJ-Uj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:33:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfzg7-0000pA-Hf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:33:03 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfzg5-0003lE-ST for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:33:02 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.185]) by cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:33:01 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.28]) by cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:33:01 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:33:00 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCED7C.3040200@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:33:00 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <79A6EC5BC7054A26A50E518F45583A7A@AGB> In-Reply-To: <79A6EC5BC7054A26A50E518F45583A7A@AGB> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2012 20:33:01.0027 (UTC) FILETIME=[39189B30:01CD4BFF] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: NL may up to 505kHz :-) But with 20dB less reception it becomes difficult. :-( His sigs are increasing at the moment, but still on the noise floor. Have a good trace on SpecLab. Opera certified :-) Jan/pa3abk [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: a6b6ffaf48fdddf1ed5c25dc4bf03ee1 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464117600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064fdcedb22859 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none NL may up to 505kHz :-) But with 20dB less reception it becomes difficult. :-( His sigs are increasing at the moment, but still on the noise floor. Have a good trace on SpecLab. Opera certified :-) Jan/pa3abk On 16-6-2012 22:18, Graham wrote: > 505 ?? > This is out side the UK /EU band 501 > 504 ....... 502 or > 502.5 is a good Rx qrg ? > G.. > > *From:* Stefan Schfer > *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:01 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: CW on 477.5 kHz > > MF, > > Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter > in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the > input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much > better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still > not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. > > My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look > for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters > in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... 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Content preview: Hi Graham Is there a dial frequency for Opera on the new 500kc/s allocation? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 22:49 Subject: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.70 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 721d7dc475d7c3cfbcd8369093416177 Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-645768454-1339713343=:26292" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:448582272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d306.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4fda67807438 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-645768454-1339713343=:26292 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham=0A=A0=0AIs there a dial frequency for Opera on the new 500kc/s al= location?=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_________________________= _______=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 22:49=0ASubject: LF: Opera 500K= hz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR =0A =0A =0AOpera=A0 500Khz monitors=A0 R= N3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR=A0 =0A=0AGood chance of=A0 a=A0 RA=A0 decode=A0 ? =0A= =0AG. =0A=0A=0ATxmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time=A0(UTC) =0APA0A RN= 3AGC 600m OPERA 2020=A0kms 21:40:44 =0APA0A G0KTN 600m OPERA 623= =A0kms 21:40:52 =0APA3ABK G0KTN 600m OPERA 491=A0kms 18:53:57 =0APA= 0A G3XDV 600m OPERA 465=A0kms 21:40:53 =0APA3ABK G3XDV 600m OPERA = 337=A0kms 18:53:58 =0APA0A PA3ABK 600m OPERA 186=A0kms 21:40:51 = =0APA0A PA0LPN 600m OPERA 140=A0kms 20:41:39 =0APA3ABK PA0LPN 600m = OPERA 71=A0kms 18:53:57 =0APA3ABK PA0LCE 600m OPERA 54=A0kms 18:53= :58 =0APA0A PA0A 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 21:41:35 =0ARA3TTS RA3TTS 600m= OPERA 0=A0kms 21:26:45 =0APA0BIE PA0BIE 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 19:15:= 09 =0APA0LCE PA0LCE 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 19:38:51 =0AM0FMT M0FMT 600= m OPERA 0=A0kms 20:44:28 =0ARX3DHR RX3DHR 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 21:40= :29 =0APA3ABK PA3ABK 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 21:39:02 =0ARN3AGC RN3AGC = 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 21:38:55 =0AG3XDV G3XDV 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 21:3= 7:32 =0APA0LPN PA0LPN 600m OPERA 0=A0kms 21:26:38 ---176341844-645768454-1339713343=:26292 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham
 
Is there a dial frequency for O= pera on the new 500kc/s allocation?
 
73 es= GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.u= k>
To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 22:49
Subject: = LF: Opera 500Khz monitors RN3AGC/RA3TTS/RX3DHR
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PA3ABKG0KTN600mOPERA491 kms18:53:57
PA0AG3XDV600mOPERA465 kms21:40:53
PA3ABKG3XDV=0A 600mOPERA337 kms18:53:58
PA0A600mOPERA21:40:51
PA0APA0LPN600mOPERA140 kms20:41:39
PA3ABKPA0LPN=0A 600mOPERA71 kms18:53:57
PA3ABKPA0LCE600mOPERA54 kms18:53:58
PA0APA0A600mOPERA0 kms21:41:35
RA3TTSRA3TTS= 600mOPERA0 kms21:26:45
PA0BIEPA0BIE600mOPERA0 kms19:15:09
PA0LCEPA0LCE600mOPERA0 kms19:38:51
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PA3ABK= PA3ABK600mOPERA0 kms21:39:02
RN3AGCRN3AGC= 600mOPERA0 kms21:38:55
G3XDVG3XDV600mOPERA0 kms21:37:32
PA0LPN= PA0LPN600mOPERA0 kms21:26:38
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= ---176341844-645768454-1339713343=:26292-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 13B8E38000108; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfJBg-0000Eh-1F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:10:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfJBf-0000EX-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:10:47 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfJBd-000308-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:10:46 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5ENAh1Z015624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:10:44 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5ENAhZK028595 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:10:43 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDA6F0F.3080104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:09:03 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5ENAh1Z015624 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jay, LF, This night i will continue with LF transmissions, same procedure. So far the conds in EU and to 4X are excellent! Maybe we can make it this night to W1... 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: fb3e28a759dea7e01d34d3fe7de7ae98 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:467504544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d94fda6fc206de X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jay, LF, This night i will continue with LF transmissions, same procedure. So far the conds in EU and to 4X are excellent! Maybe we can make it this night to W1... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 12.06.2012 14:10, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > Hi Jay, > > We still have no success in Jnue so if we want to get a full call=20 > detection in each month we have to find a suitable days soon. > > Well, all right about the DST stuff. However you know i simply like=20 > transmitting so i usually do not care about the condx. From time to=20 > time there is a surprise een in "bad" conds. Like yesterday! 4X1RF=20 > temporary started his grabber in Haifa and to my surprise we got very=20 > good results over that 2850km distance. About 25 dB S/N, see=20 > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/Juni2012.jpg > Sure, crossing the pond is another story. Let's do it in the coming=20 > days :-) > > BTW what about your TX? Are you ready for a transmission? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 12.06.2012 12:12, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: >> Sefan >> >> Somehow missed your e mail so no report from here. With the DST at=20 >> 'disturbed' levels it is unlikely that I would have had reception of=20 >> your signals. It might be a good idea to check=20 >> http://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dsttemerin/dsttemerin.html for=20 >> the DST levels before an overnight T/A attempt. Generally speaking,=20 >> condx are favorable when the DST has been at -10 nt or better for a=20 >> couple days. The second chart down shows that the 9th or 10th would=20 >> have been better T/A nights. The big dip starting on the 10th is a=20 >> problem. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"=20 >> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:09 PM >> Subject: LF: Beacon to the west >> >> >>> LF, >>> >>> Once again i'm transmitting DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz over the night.=20 >>> The TX is already on air... >>> >>> In a few days the sunshine time is as long as possible here, so it=20 >>> may be a bit difficult to become visible in TA. But who knows... >>> >>> At least the summer time allows excellent results on LF for=20 >>> distances below 3000 km. Probably because the area in darkness is=20 >>> small on the northern hemisphere and so the noise from far away is=20 >>> attenuated. So the distances within the first hop range may be a bit=20 >>> lower than in winther but maybe the noise is even lower so S/N=20 >>> improvement of some dB results. >>> At least i've never been audible in winther at YO/4X1RF. We've done=20 >>> many tests and the radiated signal was even 3 dB stronger than a few=20 >>> days ago where the signal became audible. Now i'm thinking different=20 >>> about the possibilities of that band in the summer time!! >>> >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 72143380000F0; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Si6oh-0006qy-Tn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:34:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Si6oh-0006qp-Gd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:34:39 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Si6of-0007uC-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:34:38 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p4FD17106.dip.t-dialin.net [79.209.113.6]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MBSfG-1SYmtO1bEs-00AW6E; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:34:36 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE49E9C.4000306@legal-medicine.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:34:36 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340375757.35583.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340375757.35583.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:4KRkOH+/04+kk422gGEqLujLoXJqcTGZPKTvLv24Crv Ez+yar6iHmgX3oa0R7zfJlzgmLaxHpEyiqOkuzMyJP+eaNMAtB iMz6osUMtMbGmTWNftwXbMyDsR4loDnsnpleKZOE0Xt9CP9CrA v3KmCM5YblCJbNvcyM0SwAWZgPFSP/6JicC04yl4RAlN91QhUB j/p9orUj+Q1K+qD7KUIbDLA1IoUbUd+ze5Ue6/vgpS2wOY3zOc XoixuN27MJfkCHdDhxtaqv7M4oJBpdkkUHWzAIuRWNHXs+5ri8 zqJc5RG55f9kxdC9/GFcU95x7wi86oQw0tTqAGUTZUzSapx+Hz 18clCmpBl1lR65OaEQiM= X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Daniele, You wrote: > ... As for the BD139, I didn't even suspect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good for power stages... > Yes, it's the low Rbb what matters. See: http://www.janascard.cz/PDF/Design%20of%20ultra%20low%20noise%20amplifiers.pdf [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:434094304:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914fe49ed17800 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Daniele, You wrote: > ... As for the BD139, I didn't even suspect it could be used in a RF preamp, I tought of it as good for power stages... > Yes, it's the low Rbb what matters. See: http://www.janascard.cz/PDF/Design%20of%20ultra%20low%20noise%20amplifiers.pdf And for ferrite loops I would recommend the antenna section of those doctoral thesis available there: www.vhl.tudelft.nl/pelgrum/DissertationPelgrum.tcl I'm running a "counter wound" ferrite loop along with 3 x BC550 in parallel since many years. Another option could be using an instrumentation amplifier with low noise at low input impedance like INA217 (G=100 up to 800 kHz). So you don't need any kind of push-pull amplifier or balancing input transformator. See: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ina217.pdf BTW: even that old low noise version of the video amplifier NE592 works fine. It's called "TL592". Since it's input impedance is not very low using somewhat higher inductance is recommended (~2-5 mH). 73, Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 147F8380000B6; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdSAB-0000mS-0a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:21:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdSA6-0000mJ-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:21:30 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdSA4-0005xZ-Dm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:21:29 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.197] (77-21-14-177-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.14.177]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MHvkv-1SgUZ817KX-003bQ8; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 22:21:27 +0200 References: <000901cd4658$29338100$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FD37A2D.8080606@legal-medicine.de> <003501cd4665$cb552ad0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <003501cd4665$cb552ad0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:21:26 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:8sPy6R1tN8mqQFJU/mAwABDMopk45FtMxuGozsb0WQI X2ihfXBI+R95y6fmghufFQXrWKdjsCK6kbsMHBHTboh1kehjfT rt8LnW6XITeGi5NyyBdrlOCQ1m9HNtpsoEBjU9E2lfZrLH8bWA AjBf0v96MpWps11zfc00NDcnYznHdcVgRZr2tPUxpbk7KoJoM8 bANgMHCdyoHgKYVaxjggiDM3DEhRKEK0bpy8bmbiQ4d4kvKvfR ocm6rsrADthKvejHC16bNUOAYg4Ja7zMSY/rKfS6dWF8LeBN2w CbYKM33JOnhIA82IDTscH+dl8PEEf80J8TSx/JhGgHRT3VKfvx +myogZai22f+aH68vLBoPyIpvJY4Zmf3aXAs4WJKS X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ... the answer is 42! On 09.06.2012, at 19:32, "mal hamilton" wrote: > I know what u mean. Does anyone else????? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pws" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:30 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 > > >> Oh Mal, >> >> You wrote: >>> ... >>> Mk2 version already in service will appear soon >>> ... >> >> End of World is nigh. >> O.K., nice to meet you all >> and thanks for the fish! >> >> Peter, df3lp >> > > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493786880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194fd3b0a9793c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ... the answer is 42! 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Does anyone else????? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pws" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:30 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: Image016 > > >> Oh Mal, >> >> You wrote: >>> ... >>> Mk2 version already in service will appear soon >>> ... >> >> End of World is nigh. >> O.K., nice to meet you all >> and thanks for the fish! >> >> Peter, df3lp >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AFEC938000089; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfSmp-0001UL-2B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:25:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfSmo-0001UC-H5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:25:46 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfSmm-0005FY-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:25:45 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: D3A581380FF.A2D5F X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-1e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.33]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A581380FF for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:25:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB2.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub2.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D082E4040 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:25:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB2.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::8559:ca7c:e195:e15d%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:25:35 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? 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Content preview: Either the upper or lower band end ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 2:17 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 0b36c952c26be93e626fe2fa1c93657f Subject: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Subject: LF: RE: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50CICTSSMBX5lunaku_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:281478272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fdafff0080f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50CICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Either the upper or lower band end ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 2:17 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ?? New QRG for 472 Khz Band??? Suggestions needed for a QRG for the new 472 KHz band Dial set USB frequency , taking into account other band users ! Tnx - G --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50CICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Either the upper&nb= sp;or lower band end ?

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk]<= br> Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 2:17
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: New Opera QRG for 472 Khz Band ??

New QRG for 472 Khz Band???

Suggestions needed for a QRG for the new 472 KHz band

Dial set USB frequency , taking into account other band users !

Tnx - G
--_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAAD50CICTSSMBX5lunaku_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E351E38000218; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkCIG-0005T9-GB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:49:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkCIG-0005T0-29 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:49:48 +0100 Received: from mailout04.t-online.de ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkCID-0000lF-P9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:49:46 +0100 Received: from fwd17.aul.t-online.de (fwd17.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1SkCIB-0001WD-UF; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:49:43 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (VrqQ64ZpYh9+K3YvOgt+kBE6maQcek3MxT8Q6vo+2p8Vrurjwud0d0JvshWddjNwX2@[84.147.160.54]) by fwd17.t-online.de with esmtp id 1SkCIA-1fN0sq0; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:49:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4BD17701F151495BA7CD01DADE94B67A@standard9dmup1> From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <4FEB8A2F.3030504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:49:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: VrqQ64ZpYh9+K3YvOgt+kBE6maQcek3MxT8Q6vo+2p8Vrurjwud0d0JvshWddjNwX2 X-TOI-MSGID: 858b71d0-9c9f-4070-845d-a0430ac2bafc X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Stefan, me too, pse. 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:33 AM Subject: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.18 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: LF: Re: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:480027648:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fec36fe7b76 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, me too, pse. 73 Walter DJ2LF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:33 AM Subject: LF: 472 kHz PA running at 12 VDC > MF, > > For the homebrewers, here is my prototype of a MF class D PA that operates > at 12 V DC. Input frequency is divided by 4, so a normal HF TRX can be > used (set to 160m / 1.9 MHz) to drive the PA. The input power must not > exceed the range of 1...4 watts. The output power can be switched in 2 > steps between ~15W and up to 100W, depending on the output impedance and > input voltage (10...15V). The output impedance is not so critical, Z=R may > be in the range of 30 Ohm to infinity. The FETs are IRFZ48N types, the > driver is a ICL7667CPA. The transformer uses RF litz wire, 30x0.1mm > diameter. I didn't spend to much effort for optimising the efficiency, not > at this power level. During a CW QSO or longer calls at 50 W RF power the > heat sink (which is just a 3mm thick Al plate) becomes hand warm. > The measured efficiency is 88 % at 18W RF power and 80% at 50W RF power. > The needed power for the driver circuitry is included in this measurement. > > If someone is interested i may convert the circuit from my mind into a > schematic as a png file. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/DK7FC%20472%20kHz%20PA%2015W%2B100W.JPG > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CDA2738000094; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SitWr-0007pg-6x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:35:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SitWq-0007pX-HO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:35:28 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SitWo-0003Kr-Ts for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:35:27 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.13.136]) by mwinf5d68 with ME id SLbQ1j0032w7QSi03LbQiC; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:35:25 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <000901cd522f$a0b3f060$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:35:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120624-0, 24/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: And Fletcher Christians family are on the deeds of my house as the first owners , must of moved from the Isle of Man in the 1930's G.. ''See above pic Road to Paradise'' , is the the spiritual version at ground zero ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1464fe77a6b61bc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none And Fletcher Christians family are on the deeds of my house as the first owners , must of moved from the Isle of Man in the 1930's G.. ''See above pic Road to Paradise'' , is the the spiritual version at ground zero ? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Ziegler" Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:49 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 > OK going even further OT John Pitcairn (father of Robert Pitcairn, of > the eponymous islands) is buried in the crypt beneath my Church > (Christ Church in the City of Boston, otherwise known as Old North > Church). > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 1:34 PM, mal hamilton > wrote: >> Graham >> Reference Pitcairn Is. >> I spent some time around these Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spent >> Christmas on Christmas Island 1958 >> See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and >> all >> that !! especially South Hotel St >> I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 >> metres. >> I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. >> Daytime very quiet. >> g3kev >> >> >> > > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B5B03800008B; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiuV2-0007zA-Jr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:37:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiuV1-0007z1-RB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:37:39 +0100 Received: from mail-ee0-f43.google.com ([74.125.83.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiuUz-0003WX-G0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:37:38 +0100 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50so1788307eek.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index :x-gm-message-state; bh=qZYttk0ibPb1yL2Xt7DA78ojNIHrKeO76HK81gtav1A=; b=IRBSwKoTPEtUapWrDLaKSxqrUKejHJg43R8dPjmecjDGG0caa0syNCV1qdBhmYu+EB r3MrZM0KtYA2SW6O09/uPE0fP8QVAWdjZ0Xs17kyxZIaMnVlAdEK6Ug8wuXev8MjZ9tA zUhcwQwUYdiScdAapahI0F6q0OHHItg2f7UQYb8NRYuCMbMoRwZBr0WkQliRmaMpPjl3 2GsBSeb24JIt8sfp9Uf/QU2SUtAuxPWxTUwu9IV+bSTW/ATaYCx7ILee2usrwqIWT3So DZ1zRj2WeDBRoj78vqBAYb11nl+eGqIx7QoLf4c+Ej4Um9V26fsAl9njS9/4UBtJIYgS A/0w== Received: by 10.14.45.77 with SMTP id o53mr1946068eeb.36.1340573856270; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.45.77 with SMTP id o53mr1946060eeb.36.1340573855992; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from intelp4 (host81-132-147-172.range81-132.btcentralplus.com. 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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal That was around the time of the British hydrogen bomb tests on Christmas Island. Were you present? If so what effect on LF/HF?? 73 Terry [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.83.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: e7c02b6e85723bae4746298f7f529717 Subject: LF: RE: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD5259.F31A5A90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:386523104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d248.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564fe788ea700e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD5259.F31A5A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal That was around the time of the British hydrogen bomb tests on Christmas Island. Were you present? If so what effect on LF/HF?? 73 Terry _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 24 June 2012 18:35 To: rsgb Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005 Graham Reference Pitcairn Is. I spent some time around these Islands in the Pacific, in fact I spent Christmas on Christmas Island 1958 See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and all that !! especially South Hotel St I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 metres. I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu 1200 miles away. Daytime very quiet. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD5259.F31A5A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mal

 

That was around the time of the = British hydrogen bomb tests on Christmas Island. Were = you present? If so what effect on LF/HF??

 

73 = Terry

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 24 June 2012 = 18:35
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_005

 

    = Graham

Reference Pitcairn Is.

I spent some time around these Islands in = the Pacific, in fact I spent Christmas on Christmas = Island 1958

See above pic Road to Paradise !! Next stop Honolulu, grass skirts and all that !! especially South Hotel = St

I must add on LF/MF es HF it was so quiet just like listening on 2 metres.

I used to listen most nights to KGU and KHON Honolulu = 1200 miles away. Daytime very quiet.

g3kev

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD5259.F31A5A90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D2259380000F4; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjfX7-0007zw-JN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:50:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjfX7-0007zn-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:50:57 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews07.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.10]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjfX4-0001GS-Qg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:50:56 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews05.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.172]) by cpsmtpb-ews07.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:50:54 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-TLF103.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.6]) by cpsps-ews05.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:50:54 +0200 Received: from Extensa ([195.241.183.120]) by CPSMTPM-TLF103.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:50:53 +0200 Message-ID: <73FF50BD5D954A0DBFE245FFD16B2B09@Extensa> From: "PA1SDB, Peter" To: References: <3B58C7D976884D8DBC82A938FEF485B4@oz7foc> <007401cd538c$0e290ab0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <36D642DC20944A339A77B05805C821AF@Extensa> <4FE9AB62.1040804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8891F24A59404592B6BD262BA56C74E2@Extensa> <4FEA4388.1070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FEA490A.4080307@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FEA490A.4080307@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:50:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18645 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2012 23:50:54.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[8612C650:01CD53F6] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I'll stay tuned here for a few years :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:43 PM Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.10 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 34d483c57c7a6bf26c25db3c8765d5fc Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD53F6.85C7B390" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451001184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854fea4b137055 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD53F6.85C7B390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll stay tuned here for a few years :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:43 PM Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor here... Hi Peter, Best is to make a recording, then you can reprocess it all the time and try to find better filter and display settings. Unfortunately you missed my VLF kite experiments in 2010 and 2011. Would have been no problem for you to see me in QRSS-3 on 8970 Hz! Maybe, who knows what the future brings... 73, Stefan Am 27.06.2012 01:36, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: Hi Stefan, Unfortunately I wasn't at home this evening, so the supprise was already at the screen when I came home from my job. I understand your explaination of that inter-code-tone :-) I will try to capture the observations on camera or screengrabber sunday. A Youtube project is in progres.... 73's, Peter - PA1SDB Live: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD53F6.85C7B390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll stay tuned here for a few years =20 :-)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 11:43=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: My SAQ monitor = here...

Hi Peter,

Best is to make a recording, then you = can=20 reprocess it all the time and try to find better filter and display=20 settings.

Unfortunately you missed my VLF kite experiments in = 2010 and=20 2011. Would have been no problem for you to see me in QRSS-3 on 8970 = Hz!=20 Maybe, who knows what the future brings...

73, Stefan

Am = 27.06.2012 01:36, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter:=20
Hi Stefan,
 
Unfortunately I wasn't at home this = evening, so the=20 supprise was already at the screen when I came home from my=20 job.
I understand your explaination of that=20 inter-code-tone :-)
I will try to capture the observations on = camera or=20 screengrabber sunday.
A Youtube project is in=20 progres.... 
 
73's, Peter - PA1SDB
 
------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01CD53F6.85C7B390-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B89453800FCB6; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5Aj-0005gs-Rz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:37:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sh5Aj-0005gi-Cg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:37:09 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh5Ah-00069C-MO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:37:08 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAFABTi4E9cF/1H/2dsb2JhbABFtWuBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDBA0EAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAQiHdqg3kSyLL4J+gxsDiBCFNJdegmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,439,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542389282" Received: from host-92-23-253-71.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.253.71]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 21:37:05 +0100 Message-ID: <001301cd4e5b$49a430a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd4e33$4ddb9ff0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE0B83E.9050907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:37:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW. HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is what they sleep on as a bed. ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus other things. Move to the countryside for quality of life for example at a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in the city/town you have to settle for a sausage and maybe the tail In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ tripe, black sausage and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be prepared!! Meanwhile back to MF es LF, I am now CQ on 502 but search the band and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.2 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: f3d1da032404cd5ad9531631c09e3b44 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4E5B.49559B70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1464fe0e3464bcc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4E5B.49559B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan You city folks are getting confused between HAY and STRAW.=20 HAY is what animals EAT, mostly cattle, sheep and Horses STRAW is what = they sleep on as a bed. ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this is what you are left with = after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for example plus other = things. Move to the countryside for quality of life for example at a BBQ country = folks roast a whole steer whereas in the city/town you have to settle = for a sausage and maybe the tail In Liverpool they are very particular and BBQ tripe, black sausage and = pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you go there be prepared!! Meanwhile back to MF es LF, I am now CQ on 502 but search the band and = 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz spectrum de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay 034 Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of straw??? 73, Stefan Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4E5B.49559B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
You city folks are getting confused between HAY = and STRAW.=20
HAY is what animals EAT,  mostly cattle, = sheep and=20 Horses STRAW is what they sleep on as a bed.
ie Corn straw, barley straw, wheat straw, this = is what you=20 are left with after Thrashing to remove the seed to make flour for = example plus=20 other things.
Move to the countryside for quality of life for = example at=20 a BBQ country folks roast a whole steer whereas in the city/town you = have to=20 settle for a sausage and maybe the tail
In Liverpool they are very particular and = BBQ  tripe,=20 black sausage and pig squeal. Graham will have more details, if you = go=20 there be prepared!!
Meanwhile back to MF es LF,  I am now CQ on = 502 but=20 search the band and 136.5 also QSX es srch the 475 Khz = spectrum
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 5:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: hay = 034

Mal, are you using a feed point mast insulator out of=20 straw???

73, Stefan

Am 19.06.2012 17:50, schrieb mal = hamilton:=20
Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST
 
g3kev
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD4E5B.49559B70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 32AC9380000F3; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjudr-0002BJ-0e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:58:55 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sjudq-0002BA-GE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:58:54 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjudo-0005nH-EB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:58:53 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgkFALks609Ok8wX/2dsb2JhbABFgkWeCJVagQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIsAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKHgcUAQQaBg0JCAYTCgECAgEBh2wDD7l3ilRjFYV1A4gXhTaSaIUAgl+BVw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,485,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="391145416" Received: from host-78-147-204-23.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.204.23]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2012 16:58:50 +0100 Message-ID: <006801cd547d$bb63d6a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00482E7CA1B947A28737AA21D6E409D4@shack5a65be54f> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:58:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MessageTransistors es chips are handy but Valves are better especially for the QRO merchants. Most of todays operators could not handle valves, the voltages are too dang-er-ous g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Andre Guye1 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: RE : LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 0c28add2673aaa1c8f62f1695e18ff8b Subject: Re: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD547D.BB285440" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:493637216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854feb2ded7ebb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD547D.BB285440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageTransistors es chips are handy but Valves are better especially = for the QRO merchants. Most of todays operators could not handle valves, the voltages are too = dang-er-ous=20 g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andre Guye1=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: RE : LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Yes Graham, and after listening again at the valves Pete sound I am = sure that is drums....=20 F6CNI Andy. -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] De la part de Graham Envoy=E9 : mercredi 27 juin 2012 17:24 =C0 : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Objet : Re: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight VALVES give better sound , just the thing for playing OPERA = on=20 G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight Hi all Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera keyer design and = software with HEX code. It works a treat. It has been keying a test oscillator for a day = now. Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output 500kc/s = 6CL6 valve TX on into a LW 35ft up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial = setting 500kc/s USB. Don't laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the past. 73 Pete M0FMT IO91UX -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Antivirus avast!: message Sortant sain.=20 Base de donnees virale (VPS) : 120627-0, 27/06/2012 Analyse le : 27/06/2012 17:47:37 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD547D.BB285440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Transistors es chips are handy but Valves are = better=20 especially for the QRO merchants.
Most of todays operators could not handle = valves, the=20 voltages are too dang-er-ous
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andre=20 Guye1
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 = 3:47=20 PM
Subject: RE : LF: Opera 500kc/s = 18:00 BST=20 tonight

Yes=20 Graham, and after listening again at the valves Pete sound I am sure = that=20 is drums....
 
F6CNI Andy.
-----Message d'origine-----
De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] De la part de=20 Graham
Envoy=E9 : mercredi 27 juin 2012 = 17:24
=C0 :=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Objet :=20 Re: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST tonight

VALVES    give  better sound , just   = the =20 thing  for  playing  OPERA  on
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:17 AM
Subject: LF: Opera 500kc/s 18:00 BST = tonight

Hi all
Thanks to Andy G4JNT for publishing his PIC Opera = keyer=20 design and software with HEX code.
 It works a = treat.  It has been keying a test = oscillator=20 for a day now.
Tonight (about 18:00 local) I will put my 1 Watt RF output =  500kc/s 6CL6 valve TX on into = a LW 35ft=20 up x 128ft top. Opera 600m QRG dial setting 500kc/s=20 USB.
Don=92t laugh it has made PA land on the limit in the=20 past.
73 Pete M0FMT  IO91UX


Antivirus=20 avast!: message Sortant sain.=20

Base de donnees virale (VPS) : = 120627-0,=20 27/06/2012
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------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CD547D.BB285440-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CE847380000A0; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SepWC-0002Zi-9a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:30:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SepWB-0002ZZ-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:29:59 +0100 Received: from mailout02.t-online.de ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SepW9-0004di-Mz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:29:58 +0100 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de (fwd05.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout02.t-online.de with smtp id 1SepW7-0004hZ-Qp; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:29:55 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (rI6ZmUZrYhMEjJScgiZ+fl+RP3NBw1Ymve6IFYkKiF2Z1wgg7KidyeCcNQyDQNPZip@[84.147.178.252]) by fwd05.t-online.de with esmtp id 1SepW2-01X8vA0; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:29:50 +0200 Message-ID: <79518C77AB11443D9C40AA52D06FC669@standard9dmup1> From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <002601cd4970$67184120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:29:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: rI6ZmUZrYhMEjJScgiZ+fl+RP3NBw1Ymve6IFYkKiF2Z1wgg7KidyeCcNQyDQNPZip X-TOI-MSGID: 41ac3734-6501-4272-9631-96a107c0d232 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 utc I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not yet ok. 73 Walter DJ2LF/DI2AG From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 khz MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on this band. or If you want a contact let me know I am active most days de Mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.17 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 138e3b341e0543401afa7e97ee054540 Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CD498A.233A9A10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:367465216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4fd8b2402d88 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CD498A.233A9A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 utc I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not yet ok. 73 Walter DJ2LF/DI2AG From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:25 PM Subject: LF: 500 khz=20 MF operators I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for German and others active on = this band. or=20 If you want a contact let me know I am active most days=20 de Mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CD498A.233A9A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal, let us make our QSO at 21 = utc
I am CQ nw on 473 but think condx not = yet=20 ok.
73  Walter = DJ2LF/DI2AG
 
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 = 4:25=20 PM
Subject: LF: 500 khz

MF operators
I am now qrv 502 khz and qsx 472 - 479 for = German and=20 others active on this band.
or
If you want a contact let me know
I am active most days
de Mal/g3kev
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CD498A.233A9A10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 22B013800008B; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaWw9-0003Nv-T6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:51:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaWw9-0003Nm-Aq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:51:01 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaWw7-0002oE-7q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:51:00 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews16.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.197]) by cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:50:56 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.5]) by cpsps-ews16.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:50:56 +0200 Received: from Extensa ([195.241.183.120]) by CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:50:56 +0200 Message-ID: <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> From: "PA1SDB, Peter" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7F143.7080106@psk31.plus.com> <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> In-Reply-To: <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:50:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18645 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2012 18:50:56.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A26D580:01CD4027] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello... I was wondering the following: I have here 4x Spectrum Lab task running at one PC to serve my SUB9KHz grabber page at www.qsl.net/pa1sdb I use that Sampling Rate detector in all 4 Spectrum Lab tasks. Is that OK, or need I only one Sampling Rate detector that callibrates the other 3 tasks to ? (one master - 3 clients without that SR cal active) [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.5 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) X-Scan-Signature: 925300287489a1d7272e62b121c112aa Subject: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:384771520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60564fc90f707837 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello... I was wondering the following: I have here 4x Spectrum Lab task running at one PC to serve my SUB9KHz grabber page at www.qsl.net/pa1sdb I use that Sampling Rate detector in all 4 Spectrum Lab tasks. Is that OK, or need I only one Sampling Rate detector that callibrates the other 3 tasks to ? (one master - 3 clients without that SR cal active) 73's Peter - PA1SDB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 366A238000085; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg0eN-0001ei-H9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:35:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg0eN-0001eZ-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:35:19 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg0eK-00044G-Sz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:35:18 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.28.207]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id P9bF1j0044U6hVe039bGfQ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:35:16 +0200 Message-ID: <43C5CE6D1C7F414CB8E7BF01E213B18F@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:35:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Just copy cw on 477.5 at 2134 z S 2 at moment , but something there : )) From: "pa3abk" Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:57 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: ac0f6ff1af52b6036ac1f4fe0c2bd52c Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472965472:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fdcfc4a02b8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Just copy cw on 477.5 at 2134 z S 2 at moment , but something there : )) -------------------------------------------------- From: "pa3abk" Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:57 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz > Stefan, > > At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ. > And stop when your CQ starts again. > > There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5. > > > Jan/pa3abk > > > On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote: >> Stefan, >> >> Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? >> >> At te mom you are becoming better. >> >> >> >> Jan/pa3abk >> >> On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Schfer wrote: >>> MF, >>> >>> Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band filter >>> in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an overload of the >>> input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX performs much >>> better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see several traces, still >>> not sure if they are local QRM or a far field signal. >>> >>> My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look for >>> skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters in the >>> RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth a try. >>> >>> Starting now! >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> > > > -- > pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 66AC13800009F; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjZbQ-0006dD-Jx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:31:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjZbQ-0006d4-1O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:31:00 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjZbO-0008Le-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:30:58 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFACfr6U9cF/ft/2dsb2JhbABFgkWeDZVhgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIPHQEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPuUmKVGOGBAOIF4U2iHeIFIFdhQCCXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,479,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="377030762" Received: from host-92-23-247-237.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.247.237]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2012 18:30:56 +0100 Message-ID: <00c501cd53c1$6f79a8d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000901cd52b5$cc3e5e10$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1340622421.48239.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <003d01cd52fe$f36f9780$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1340652728.26832.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:30:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes Pete I always carried a morse key and headphones and still do when I go to foreign places, plus where possible a small rig and portable fibre glass telescopic antenna mast. In the past in some places I just threw a wire out over a bush or tree etc and fired up on CW to keep in touch with others that I knew in other places and work some DX Mal/G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: de74c1b05e8d69de301f516709bc3720 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CD53C1.6F17D9C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438570976:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054fe9f21c3b52 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CD53C1.6F17D9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Pete I always carried a morse key and headphones and still do when I go to = foreign places, plus where possible a small rig and portable fibre glass = telescopic antenna mast. In the past in some places I just threw a wire = out over a bush or tree etc and fired up on CW to keep in touch with others that I knew in other places and work some = DX Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 7:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Well Mal I think a lot of us would like to turn the clock back a long = way because in those days Radio was King. Have Key will travel. Read a bit about the itinerant Telegraphers in = the US between the wars. He had his (racer)key in a baize lined oak box = and could set up anywhere to earn a living... those were the days. Now we all have the mobile phones and no jobs...... 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 19:18 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Pete I am sure Mexico radio stns were within range after dark but I = listened to the Honolulu stns. In those days I was a Globe Trotter seeking rare DX locations. I took = advantage of facilities available at the various locations.to operate = amateur radio. I used Aircraft, Ships and Fixed transmitters besides = having my own portable equipment when possible to carry with me. I had a certain amount of Influence to achieve my objectives !! 73 de G3KEV Retired Globe Trotter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 AM Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Hi Mal Very intersting Did you hear any of the Border Blaster X stations out of Mexico, = quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with massive antennas haloed = with a corona that could be seen right across the border into Texas, = pumping out Jazz, Rythm n Blues and Rock n Roll to the Pacific GIs, = Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did more for the Ionosphere than the = H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to Hawaii at night. Amazing range = which upset the US gov. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: mal hamilton To: rsgb =20 Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 10:34 Subject: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006 Terry es Co=20 Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Google maps then. G3KEV/VR4MC . ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CD53C1.6F17D9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes Pete
I always carried a morse key and headphones and = still do=20 when I go to foreign places, plus where possible a small rig and = portable fibre=20 glass telescopic antenna mast. In the past in some places I just threw a = wire=20 out over a bush or tree etc and fired up on CW
to keep in touch with others that I knew in = other places=20 and work some DX
Mal/G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 = 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Emailing:=20 11-18-2009_006

Well Mal I think a lot of us would like to turn the clock back a = long way=20 because in those days Radio was King.
Have Key will travel. Read a bit about the itinerant Telegraphers in the US = between the=20 wars. He had his (racer)key in a baize lined oak box and could set up = anywhere to earn a living... those = were the=20 days.
 
Now we all have the mobile phones and no = jobs......
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
From: mal=20 hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 25 = June 2012,=20 19:18
Subject: Re: = LF:=20 Emailing: 11-18-2009_006

Pete
I am sure Mexico radio stns were within range = after dark=20 but I listened to the Honolulu stns.
In those days I was a Globe Trotter seeking = rare DX=20 locations. I took advantage of facilities available at the various=20 locations.to operate amateur radio. I used Aircraft, Ships and Fixed=20 transmitters besides having my own portable equipment when possible to = carry=20 with me.
I had a certain amount of Influence to achieve = my=20 objectives !!
 
73 de G3KEV  Retired Globe = Trotter
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 AM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: Emailing: 11-18-2009_006

Hi Mal
 
Very intersting
 
Did you hear any of the Border Blaster X stations out of = Mexico,=20 quarter megawatt plus AM MW Broadcasters with massive antennas haloed with a corona that could = be seen=20 right across the border into Texas, pumping out Jazz, Rythm n = Blues and=20 Rock n Roll to the Pacific GIs, Wolfman Jack et al? Think they did = more for=20 the Ionosphere than the H-Bomb. They reckon they made it out to = Hawaii=20 at night. Amazing range which upset the US gov.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: mal hamilton=20 <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012,=20 10:34
Subject: = LF:=20 Emailing: 11-18-2009_006

Terry es Co
 
Show me the way to get home 1958 style, no GPS or Google maps=20 then.
G3KEV/VR4MC
 
=
 .




= ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CD53C1.6F17D9C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1DCD13800009D; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg23u-0002ai-DT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:05:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg23t-0002aO-PQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:05:45 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg23r-0004TB-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:05:44 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5GN5gLL005402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:05:42 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GN5g1H002922 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:05:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDD10E0.1000608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:04:00 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> <4FDD0343.3070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, Some notes on my first day on that band. My impression from the first day on that band is that the QSB is much much higher than on LF! BTW DJ2LF became much stronger after some time, also audible. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fa743f59d022704fe4104ed922c6083c Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz and first MF impressions and my new MF RX... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010404060701080605020100" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:442961248:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b4fdd11735977 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010404060701080605020100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5GN5gLL005402 MF, Some notes on my first day on that band. My impression from the first day on that band is that the QSB is much=20 much higher than on LF! BTW DJ2LF became much stronger after some time,=20 also audible. After working PA3ABK and getting a real impression what that band is=20 promising regarding QSOs, i've just worked G3KEV who was very strong=20 here, starting 439 and later 579 or more. I have no S meter, so its just=20 a guess. But the normal S meters also show a guess :-) The HF reports, RST 599... In not even 1 of 1000 HF CW QSOs i got a T=20 report that differs from 9. And S... With or without a preamp or=20 attenuator? The only real information is R! Unfortunately most amateurs=20 give R=3D5 even if you have to repeat the call several times... My little homemade MF receive is not even 1 day old and now i've got the=20 proof that it seems to be very sensitive! Arround 500 kHz the signals=20 are 30 dB down compared to 472...479 kHz, due to the internal filters.=20 Anyway there was very good copy of the stations in that range. Looks=20 like the high selective filters are not necessary there on MF. No=20 problems like on LF with DCF and HGA and DLF... Soon i will publish the=20 schematic for this RX, after some further minor changes. So far the receiver is a DC receiver using the SBL-3 as the mixer. The=20 LO is xtal 1.8432 MHz/4 (done by a CD4013), i.e. 460,8 kHz. Actually it=20 is 461 kHz since my xtal is very old it seems. So the band is converted=20 to arround 11...18 kHz and can completely be shown in a spectrogram on a=20 PC. But what i want is a receiver that needs no PC in addition, so i=20 need another mixer and a VFO that converts the signals in the base band,=20 i.e. to 750 Hz or so. Also i would like to have a AGC and a=20 noiseblanker. I've already some ideas how to realise that... Very nice and promising band!! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 17.06.2012 00:23, schrieb Tracey Gardner: > I had a poor copy on DJ2LF here due to the QRN, had that not been=20 > around he would have been quite readable. > 73s Tracey G5VU > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:05 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz > > Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many > reports my email. > > Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio > station i ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was > like on HF, without any problems! I can well imagine that this is > a CW band where real time QSOs can take place. And this night is > in summer and with high QRN, so winther must be wonderful. > No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz > :-) 137 kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to > have a real QSO band now! > > I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the > active ferrite antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN= ... > > The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground > range distance is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but > nothing at DJ2LF in 175km distance... > Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA > here while sitting in the forest and receiving there :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > --------------010404060701080605020100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MF,

Some notes on my first day on that band.

My impression from the first day on that band is that the QSB is much much higher than on LF! BTW DJ2LF became much stronger after some time, also audible.

After working PA3ABK and getting a real impression what that band is promising regarding QSOs, i've just worked G3KEV who was very strong here, starting 439 and later 579 or more. I have no S meter, so its just a guess. But the normal S meters also show a guess :-)
The HF reports, RST 599...  In not even 1 of 1000 HF CW QSOs i got a T report that differs from 9. And S... With or without a preamp or attenuator? The only real information is R! Unfortunately most amateurs give R=5 even if you have to repeat the call several times...

My little homemade MF receive is not even 1 day old and now i've got the proof that it seems to be very sensitive! Arround 500 kHz the signals are 30 dB down compared to 472...479 kHz, due to the internal filters. Anyway there was very good copy of the stations in that range. Looks like the high selective filters are not necessary there on MF. No problems like on LF with DCF and HGA and DLF... Soon i will publish the schematic for this RX, after some further minor changes.

So far the receiver is a DC receiver using the SBL-3 as the mixer. The LO is xtal 1.8432 MHz/4 (done by a CD4013), i.e. 460,8 kHz. Actually it is 461 kHz since my xtal is very old it seems. So the band is converted to arround 11...18 kHz and can completely be shown in a spectrogram on a PC. But what i want is a receiver that needs no PC in addition, so i need another mixer and a VFO that converts the signals in the base band, i.e. to 750 Hz or so. Also i would like to have a AGC and a noiseblanker. I've already some ideas how to realise that...

Very nice and promising band!!

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 17.06.2012 00:23, schrieb Tracey Gardner:
 
I had a poor copy on DJ2LF here due to the QRN, had that not been around he would have been quite readable.
 
73s Tracey G5VU
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz

Thank you Jan for the QSO, Chris and all the others for the many reports my email.

Yes, it was a historic moment for me! The first amateur radio station i ever heared on MF (except 160m of course). The QSO was like on HF, without any problems! I can well imagine that this is a CW band where real time QSOs can take place. And this night is in summer and with high QRN, so winther must be wonderful.
No contest stress like on HF and still a special place below 1 MHz :-) 137 kHz is the real challenge of course but its very nice to have a real QSO band now!

I will go on to improve some things here and will see how the active ferrite antenna performs on MF, maybe cancelling out the QRN...

The QSB was interesting and it clearly shows up that the ground range distance is much lower. I got audible copy from the UK but nothing at DJ2LF in 175km distance...
Will continue to listen and prepare my remote link to key the PA here while sitting in the forest and receiving there :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


--------------010404060701080605020100-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 45F5838001A7E; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShNHP-00037v-R1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:57:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShNHP-00037m-9b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:57:15 +0100 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShNHN-0004Kx-6g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:57:14 +0100 Received: from fwd24.aul.t-online.de (fwd24.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout10.t-online.de with smtp id 1ShNHK-0004mH-Kn; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:57:10 +0200 Received: from standard9dmup1 (SOFBYYZJQhVFpBBVVIq-wdMp+RHqm-14Md8WH9KRSDsLoWTB5UrDGXf-CtVDbobZyZ@[84.147.165.190]) by fwd24.t-online.de with esmtp id 1ShNHG-1lopzk0; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:57:06 +0200 Message-ID: <0C6B2C0519D74D279732BB4DC9974B3A@standard9dmup1> From: "Walter Staubach" To: References: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:57:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ID: SOFBYYZJQhVFpBBVVIq-wdMp+RHqm-14Md8WH9KRSDsLoWTB5UrDGXf-CtVDbobZyZ X-TOI-MSGID: a863d171-1834-4660-98d2-1b9ab497f301 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Horst, as you already did in earlier times you do now: Standing besides the road and tell to hard working people what they should have done better. Note: If the MF-regulation does not meet your needs - you are not forced to use this nice band. Others will do with pleasure. 73 Walter [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.21 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: c1dcf088149efa0360827745859da381 Subject: Re: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CD4F0E.1AE7D5B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:435647744:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554fe1f32c2717 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CD4F0E.1AE7D5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Horst, as you already did in earlier times you do now: Standing besides the = road and tell to hard working people what they should have done better. Note: If the MF-regulation does not meet your needs - you are not forced = to use this nice band. Others will do with pleasure. 73 Walter =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Horst St=C3=B6cker"=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full = implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the = BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012? The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really? The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class E. = Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. 9W = ERP. Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. = As HAM with class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing. It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with one = Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now BNetzA) = remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with = every kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: = >250THz ist still allocated to class A AND E HAMs. Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the club! Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN) Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juni 2012 um 13:57 Uhr Von: DK1IS An: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams=20 Dear group, to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the=20 MF-allocation in Germany which I=C2=B4ve got today via email from our=20 authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). 73 and cul on MF! Tom, DK1IS JN59WK =20 Ihr WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App = f=C3=BCr iPhone und Android. =20 https://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CD4F0E.1AE7D5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Horst,
    as you already did = in earlier=20 times you do now: Standing besides the road and tell to hard working = people what=20 they should have done better.
Note: If the MF-regulation does not = meet your needs=20 - you are not forced to use this nice band. Others will do with=20 pleasure.
73
Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 "Horst=20 St=C3=B6cker"
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 = 9:54=20 AM
Subject: Aw: LF: Text of = MF-Allocation to=20 German Hams

Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full=20 implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the = BNetzA.=20 What was the maximum power in WRC2012?
The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really?
The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the = class E.=20 Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. = 9W ERP.=20 Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. As = HAM with=20 class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing.
It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But = with one=20 Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now = BNetzA)=20 remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with = every=20 kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: = >250THz=20 ist still allocated to class A AND E HAMs.
Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the=20 club!
Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN)

Gesendet: Dienstag, = 19. Juni=20 2012 um 13:57 Uhr
Von: DK1IS=20 = <DK1IS@kabelmail.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.c= o.uk,=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: Text of = MF-Allocation=20 to German Hams
Dear group,

to whom it may = concern: enclosed=20 please find the official text of the
MF-allocation in Germany = which I=C2=B4ve=20 got today via email from our
authorising agency = "Bundesnetzagentur"=20 (BNetzA).

73 and cul on MF!

Tom, = DK1IS
JN59WK


  

Ihr=20 WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App = f=C3=BCr iPhone=20 und Android.   
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good copy  from  LS , 569
 
G.

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:44 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: 137 ES 500

Now CQ 136.5 es 502 CW anyone about = ??
also QSX 472
 
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------=_NextPart_000_019D_01CD4B2A.218D7240-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7D0F638000083; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHTD-0005jt-9Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:32:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbHTC-0005jk-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:32:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbHTA-0003al-O7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:32:13 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AukFALLIy09Ok8dc/2dsb2JhbABEgkWhDZBPgQiCEwUBAQ0BAQMgIQgCLAEBCAIBAxEEAQEKOQEEGAIGDAgCDg8EAQkBAgIBAQELBIdcAw8HlUaWHgOJWIsRhhADiA2FMJB+hlaCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,710,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="383096581" Received: from host-78-147-199-92.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.199.92]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 21:32:11 +0100 Message-ID: <00bb01cd41c7$f4476770$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:32:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:30 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] 500 opera Nw active cq on 500 Opera mode de mal/g3kev __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: a.. New Members 162 a.. New Photos 6 a.. New Polls 1 Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 8044ff87f22777286b33afb193e0811f Subject: LF: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] 500 opera Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B8_01CD41C7.F3B141F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_10, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:450692640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 10 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824fcbc9ff359d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01CD41C7.F3B141F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:30 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] 500 opera =20 Nw active cq on 500 Opera mode de mal/g3kev __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (1)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 162 a.. New Photos 6 a.. New Polls 1=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01CD41C7.F3B141F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01CD41C7.F3B141F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 69AC8380000B0; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 04:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSmE-0001X7-Hx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:36:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbSmE-0001Wy-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:36:38 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbSmC-0005Vn-8a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:36:36 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwuAKFyzE9cHn6F/2dsb2JhbABFgXZ4CAFKmw8DlCcDgSaBCIITARMBAQNJAiwCCAIBBgECGzkBBBoGCBwdAQICAQGFOAcBgiMblWigNYtoOoR/A4gNhTCXVIJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,712,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="383121854" Received: from host-92-30-126-133.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.126.133]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Jun 2012 09:36:35 +0100 Message-ID: <005401cd422d$26332520$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:34:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Now cq 502 cw. Anyone about on 136 cw ? de g3kev Now cq 502 cw. Anyone about on 136 cw ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 4e3b1488273adbbe9757d6bdd5adf219 Subject: LF: 500 now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD422C.E2105D90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:330109376:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fcc73d0172b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD422C.E2105D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now cq 502 cw. Anyone about on 136 cw ? de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD422C.E2105D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now cq 502 cw. Anyone about on 136 cw = ?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD422C.E2105D90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 17391380000A7; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SeqIS-0002rb-Rs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:19:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SeqIS-0002rS-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:19:52 +0100 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SeqIO-0004rk-Ok for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:19:51 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5DGJiGc028074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:49:44 -0230 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:49:44 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: LF Group cc: RSGB Yahoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MUN-Disclaimer: http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/elect_communications_disclaimer_2012.php X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Gary, Just a quick note to wish you luck with a speedy fix. Your grabber service is very much appreciated. 73 Joe VO1NA [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabbers Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:426176864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40594fd8bde2155d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Gary, Just a quick note to wish you luck with a speedy fix. Your grabber service is very much appreciated. 73 Joe VO1NA On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Gary G4WGT wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > Sorry to say that the loss of grabber updates is due to a problem with my PC. > > Unable to resolve early & the grabbers may be off for a few days. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B6883800008B; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfaO1-0003fi-1W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:32:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfaNz-0003fZ-VY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:32:39 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfaNx-0007Nq-1V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:32:38 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AksFAMtw209cHnO5/2dsb2JhbAArGoJFgxKfHpBegQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDFgohCAIOBggCAwsBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQEJDAsKAgIUAQQYAgYMCggGDwQBCQECAgEBAQkCBIdcAw8HKaZCiTYDiViKVGIbgk+CFYESA41DkQWBVgWEfoJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,418,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="384755966" Received: from host-92-30-115-185.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.115.185]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2012 18:32:35 +0100 Message-ID: <007601cd4b1c$d746a0b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" References: <002901cd4b07$28b49530$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1339775924.35989.YahooMailNeo@web87305.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:32:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: John The RSGB and their representives do not have the fire power to convince others in EU that their way is best. de MAL/VS6HI - Past President Hong Kong Amateur Radio Society. The same Office as the RSGB president. Maybe I would have handled things different. de G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 4d9fc52ca5607401f230b1df8d5fa4f4 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4B1C.D70B1E50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:464993280:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4fdb7213383c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4B1C.D70B1E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John The RSGB and their representives do not have the fire power to convince = others in EU that their way is best. de MAL/VS6HI - Past President Hong Kong Amateur Radio Society. The same = Office as the RSGB president.=20 Maybe I would have handled things different. de G3KEV=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Gould, G3WKL=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 I'm busy on other matters this weekend and wasn't expecting to have to = get into this detail yet as the resolution for amateurs to have the band = doesn't strictly come into force until 1st Jan 2013. The issue with NDBs is complex as some have noted. Over several years = a group of us worked with classaxe data and other more official sources. = Our best list of active NDBs is collated at = http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/500khz/ndb.php, which was our = working data during the preparatory stages for WRC-12. It's quite = possible that there could be some changes to this data as it hasn't been = checked for several months. We failed to gain even European agreement on our preferred band 493 - = 505 kHz, and what we have is the common ground between the CITEL and = CEPT preference. At least we got something and at least for the UK and = a number of other countries it should work out as more bandwidth than we = have currently. As is often the case we have a compromise solution that takes into = account protection of NDB using frequency separation, distance and ERP. = Some countries have already excluded themselves in the footnote to the = allocation, and as the above website shows others will not be able to = allow operating across the whole band because of NDBs in neighbouring = countries. In the UK we are fortunate along with the USA and Canada and = a number of other countries that we should be allocated the whole band. = As some have said the NDBs are being phased out, but at CEPT level we = could not secure a timetable. Meanwhile, I would suggest that we don't = get too firm in our views at this stage of a band plan but me more = flexible as in the early days of 136 kHz. 73 John, G3WKL -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: graham787 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 16:30 Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? =20 Yes , But im sure we can engineer a way round it ..=20 Q what is the 'wording' of the data regulations ?=20 --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "mal hamilton" = wrote: > > Graham > This particular piece of spectrum was NOT a good choice for radio = amateur use. Like Tracy said the majority of the NDB'S are audible in = the UK and some very loud during the dark hours.=20 > It is only really suitable for CW qso mode where the operator can = dive in/out of vacant slots at the time. > For Opera or other data modes it will be difficult where a SLOT = has to be specified because there are quite dramatic propagation changes = taking place especially in the dark hours and you could well end up on = top of a NDB or several.=20 > The same applies on 160 metres where band condx change all the = time, fortunately there are no NDB'S to contend with. > It is not surprising commercial operators did not see this part of = the spectrum as useful except all NDB'S QRT. > NDB'S are still a useful nav aid for the Aeronautical service es = others so I cannot see them switching off. > G3KEV >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: graham787=20 > To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:38 PM > Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ? >=20 >=20 >=20 > This is going to be a nightmare, more like a downhill slalom = course than a band allocation=20 >=20 > Has anyone a graphic of the band and beacon allocations what shows = where the gaps are ? >=20 > G.. >=20 > --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison" = wrote: > > > > Guard bands for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as = the MCW=20 > > receivers would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, any=20 > > interference from amateurs is likely to be extremely local. Our = small=20 > > signal working is likely to suffer more QRM =3Dfrom=3D the NDBs = than to=20 > > them. > >=20 > > Mike, G3XDV > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >=20 > > > Twenty-seven NDBs have been logged in Europe between = 472-479kHz. > > > Twelve of those have been logged from the UK. > > > The NDB database on the Classaxe web site would provide = detailed > > > information on frequencies which should be avoided. It should = be borne > > > in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of approx 400Hz = and > > > 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of specific = slots to be > > > wary of. > > >=20 > > > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/ > > >=20 > > > Perhaps some consideration should be given to setting up some = form of > > > guard bands/frequencies in order to avoid any problems with = NDBs? > > >=20 > > > 73s Tracey G5VU > > > __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (18)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 4=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest =E2=80=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=80=A2 = Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4B1C.D70B1E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
John
The RSGB and their representives do not have the = fire=20 power to convince others in EU that their way is best.
de MAL/VS6HI - Past President Hong Kong = Amateur Radio=20 Society. The same Office as the RSGB president.
Maybe I would have handled things = different.
de G3KEV 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Gould,=20 G3WKL
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 = 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] = Re: Band=20 Planning for 472 Khz Band ?

  =

I'm busy on other matters this weekend and wasn't expecting = to have=20 to get into this detail yet as the resolution for amateurs to have the = band=20 doesn't strictly come into force until 1st Jan 2013.

The issue with NDBs is complex as some have noted. =  Over=20 several years a group of us worked with classaxe data and other more = official=20 sources.  Our best list of active NDBs is collated = at http://www.r= sgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/500khz/ndb.php,=20 which was our working data during the preparatory stages for WRC-12.=20  It's quite possible that there could be some changes to this = data as it=20 hasn't been checked for several months.

We failed to gain even European agreement on our preferred = band 493=20 - 505 kHz, and what we have is the common ground between the CITEL and = CEPT=20 preference.  At least we got something and at least for the UK = and a=20 number of other countries it should work out as more bandwidth than we = have=20 currently.

As is often the case we have a compromise solution that = takes into=20 account protection of NDB using frequency separation, distance and = ERP. Some=20 countries have already excluded themselves in the footnote to the = allocation,=20 and as the above website shows others will not be able to allow = operating=20 across the whole band because of NDBs in neighbouring countries. =  In the=20 UK we are fortunate along with the USA and Canada and a number of = other=20 countries that we should be allocated the whole band. =  

As some have said the NDBs are being phased out, but at = CEPT level=20 we could not secure a timetable.  Meanwhile, I would suggest that = we=20 don't get too firm in our views at this stage of a band plan but me = more=20 flexible as in the early days of 136 kHz.
 
73 John, G3WKL
From: graham787=20 <g0nbd@hotmail.com>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20
Sent: Friday, 15 = June=20 2012, 16:30
Subject:=20 [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band = ?

 =20
Yes , But im sure we can engineer a way round it ..

Q = what is=20 the 'wording' of the data regulations ?

--- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoog= roups.co.uk,=20 "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@...> wrote:
>
> = Graham
>=20 This particular piece of spectrum was NOT a good choice for radio = amateur=20 use. Like Tracy said the majority of the NDB'S are audible in the UK = and=20 some very loud during the dark hours.
> It is only really = suitable=20 for CW qso mode where the operator can dive in/out of vacant slots = at the=20 time.
> For Opera or other data modes it will be difficult = where a=20 SLOT has to be specified because there are quite dramatic = propagation=20 changes taking place especially in the dark hours and you could well = end up=20 on top of a NDB or several.
> The same applies on 160 metres = where=20 band condx change all the time, fortunately there are no NDB'S to = contend=20 with.
> It is not surprising commercial operators did not see = this=20 part of the spectrum as useful except all NDB'S QRT.
> NDB'S = are still=20 a useful nav aid for the Aeronautical service es others so I cannot = see them=20 switching off.
> G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message = -----=20
> From: graham787
> To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoog= roups.co.uk=20
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject:=20 [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Band Planning for 472 Khz Band ?
> =
>=20
>
> This is going to be a nightmare, more like a = downhill=20 slalom course than a band allocation
>
> Has anyone a = graphic=20 of the band and beacon allocations what shows where the gaps are = ?
>=20
> G..
>
> --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoog= roups.co.uk,=20 "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@> wrote:
> >
> = >=20 Guard bands for all 27 listed NDBs would present a problem as the = MCW=20
> > receivers would be at least 2.5kHz wide. Fortunately, = any=20
> > interference from amateurs is likely to be extremely = local.=20 Our small
> > signal working is likely to suffer more QRM = =3Dfrom=3D=20 the NDBs than to
> > them.
> >
> > = Mike,=20 G3XDV
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > =
> > > Twenty-seven=20 NDBs have been logged in Europe between 472-479kHz.
> > = > Twelve=20 of those have been logged from the UK.
> > > The NDB = database on=20 the Classaxe web site would provide detailed
> > > = information=20 on frequencies which should be avoided. It should be borne
> = > >=20 in mind that the NDBs use A2 mode with a mix of approx 400Hz = and
>=20 > > 1020Hz modulation, so there are a good number of specific = slots to=20 be
> > > wary of.
> > >
> > > = http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/
> > = >=20
> > > Perhaps some consideration should be given to = setting up=20 some form of
> > > guard bands/frequencies in order to = avoid any=20 problems with NDBs?
> > >
> > > 73s Tracey=20 G5VU
>=20 = >
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------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CD4B1C.D70B1E50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E0E79380000A3; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Scegr-0002vI-EI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:32:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Scegq-0002v6-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:32:00 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Scegp-0002fV-8O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:31:59 +0100 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120607153157.NNSV3118.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:31:57 +0100 Received: from boxa ([86.24.136.143]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with SMTP id <20120607153157.INFA3795.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@boxa> for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:31:57 +0100 From: "Mike" To: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:31:44 +0100 Message-ID: <00a401cd44c2$a564e710$0200a8c0@boxa> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2001 Importance: Normal X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=VoRU4pNpVuMA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=tP3zNuKkAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=VT1NPChqTBFZilvltpMA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=YApG9vh1LrAA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=0gpNn-HoEtw-OsSJ:21 a=rU9V4McU6Hr0AQad:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi 5tefan Hearing your beacon here IO90MS a good 579 but it is raining which means my lash up cannot be used on TX quite yet as a normal station with changeover. Very nice to hear something that can be identified without robots. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: LF: RE: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487933568:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d94fd0c99f7af1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi 5tefan Hearing your beacon here IO90MS a good 579 but it is raining which means my lash up cannot be used on TX quite yet as a normal station with changeover. Very nice to hear something that can be identified without robots. The other evening I identified Mike G3XDN vis your grabber! I could hear him well but too impatient to time the characters by ref to my watch ! Tnx 73 de G3JVL Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Schfer Sent: 07 June 2012 15:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz LF! I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo against the QRN :-) In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&cust omRange=137 so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! 73, Stefan/DK7FC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2425.1.1/5051 - Release Date: 06/07/12 07:34:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EC91E380030A6; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShOIm-0003ME-Az for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:02:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShOIl-0003M5-Rt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:02:43 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShOIj-0004rz-HF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:02:42 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5KH2KnH016038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:02:20 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5KH2KhS008239 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:02:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE201B2.6030102@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:00:34 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be>,<4FE100DB.60809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB1C6F@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB1C6F@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q5KH2KnH016038 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Rik, Am 20.06.2012 08:28, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > About the TX antenna used as RX antenna: that often works fine if you do not overload the RX (BC at 525kHz+). I always use the 20dB attenuator of my good old TS440 to RX on my 11m high / 25m ling Lazy-L antenna. Well, didn't measured yet but i think the transmit antenna is very selective too. Anyway the signal levels may be to high in the near BC region. I've checked the filter curves in my small active antennas. Both, the ferrite and the E field antenna are resonated, the E field antenna uses a L to ground in front of the first gate. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 8ef270cc2ec30cd34b6313d7ada17a45 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Test signal needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:500910464:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4fe202815d57 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Rik, Am 20.06.2012 08:28, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > About the TX antenna used as RX antenna: that often works fine if you d= o not overload the RX (BC at 525kHz+). I always use the 20dB attenuator o= f my good old TS440 to RX on my 11m high / 25m ling Lazy-L antenna. Well, didn't measured yet but i think the transmit antenna is very=20 selective too. Anyway the signal levels may be to high in the near BC=20 region. I've checked the filter curves in my small active antennas. Both, the=20 ferrite and the E field antenna are resonated, the E field antenna uses=20 a L to ground in front of the first gate. These are the curves: Active ferrite antenna: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/MFferrite.pn= g Active E field antenna: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/MFactiveE.pn= g The main aspect is to filter DLF at 153 kHz which causes much trouble=20 here... Also my receiver is selective it selfe. As i said, 500 kHz is already 30=20 dB down... > As long as the band noise is above the RX noise you won't loose any s= ensititity. > =20 That's clear. But "band noise" is not so easy to find here. It's always =20 the question what the man made noise part is. However this seems to be=20 less critical on MF than on LF, as others already said.. 73, tnx, cu Stefan/DK7FC > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] > Verzonden: woensdag 20 juni 2012 0:44 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: Test signal needed > > Rik, MF, > > Right now i'm testing the TX antenna as a RX antenna. This works much > better than expected. A 10 dB attenuator is needed but no problem. Mayb= e > you can give me a test signal again on 502 kHz, or someone else? > > It looks like the QRN is much lower on that antenna. That means that > many of the crashes during my CQ calls have been charged rain drops tha= t > were falling on the E field probe, just my guess. > > I will listen another 20 min. on 502 kHz and apprechiate any test > signals from amateurs. > > 73, Stefan > > Am 19.06.2012 23:53, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > =20 >> actually 501.2kHz. >> Stefan, I have replied to your CQ several times, but no luck. >> You are 579 with the usual QSB. >> I am running 150W into a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna, estimared= ERP abt 1W. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD >> >> ________________________________________ >> Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org] namens pa3abk [pa3abk@kpnmail.nl] >> Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juni 2012 23:30 >> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Onderwerp: Re: LF: CQ on 476.5 kHz CW >> >> Lsn fer OR7T on 502 pse >> Jan/pa3abk >> >> On 19-6-2012 23:20, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> >> =20 >>> just in case someone wants... >>> I will call until 22 UT if no one replies... >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >>> >>> >>> =20 >> -- >> pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it >> >> =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4781738000125; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZ8Y-0004qT-OB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:24:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbZ8X-0004qK-Uy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:24:05 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbZ8W-0007Mx-1y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:24:04 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q54FO30S005056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:24:03 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q54FO383029622 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:24:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCCD2B9.1030408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:22:33 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello John, Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 29f208b223fe7a2cb359508e38e2ea2d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090807030305090100090402" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486815744:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94fccd35159ed X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090807030305090100090402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q54FO30S005056 Hello John, Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to=20 be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the=20 yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the=20 "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again... Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so=20 fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF=20 group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex=20 for a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So=20 their opinion will be ignored! Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only=20 me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group,=20 although we are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party=20 (in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you shut them down? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould: > Stefan, > > I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo=20 > account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and=20 > that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with=20 > your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be=20 > authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. > > I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on=20 > the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 > > wrote: > > Hi Clive, LF, > > For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a > yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is > advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind > for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) > who want to codeterminate in this process. > > My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group > compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like > competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down > after some time. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: > > If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before > the voting period ends. > > > --------------090807030305090100090402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello John,

Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again...

Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored!

Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group, although we are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party (in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you shut them down?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould:
Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted.  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Schäfer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
Hi Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends.
 


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Content preview: Andy quotes 16 bits on the yahoo for the fun-Q , I though was 24 well this has been about for a while , with the PIC based projects that needed the £20 pic pr-loaded to finish the job ...... most hard-faced one I watched , was the digital voice , who after many hams helped the project , some with code etc , sold out to become d-star [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: a7807433649b9158e303ad9d84055145 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DE_01CD4FCB.E08DFED0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:449467104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fe33f8167af X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01CD4FCB.E08DFED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy quotes 16 bits on the yahoo for the fun-Q , I though = was 24 =20 well this has been about for a while , with the PIC based = projects that needed the =C2=A320 pic pr-loaded to finish the = job ...... most hard-faced one I watched , was the digital voice = , who after many hams helped the project , some with code etc = , sold out to become d-star =20 At least Georges svg packet-engine , kept the last free working = issue on his web-site , nothing wrong with that , and the = commercial version of ROS doesn't seem to be on the horizon , so = that's another mad-chicken shot =20 But your right, in the land of 'not as we know it' A request for = a special tx permit to test a hardware based spread spectrum = modem for HF was actually rejected ..how much is a pactor modem = or the super-packet hf modem to buy ?...... imagine if some one = then posted a free for all software version ..... that would of = caused a big pie-fight ! Echo ? only of the past hihi=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:15 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Graham Yep it's Ham Radio Graham, but not as we know it. BTW, Do you get the feeling there's an echo somewhere on this = reflector?? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 14:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Well unintended consequence may be playing a part in this as = well , by the time the project was finished ,I think it was out = of economic production range , the rest is on-going history as = development costs probably will not be re-claimed , its cheap , = but not that cheap , same as lots of posts about making = digital back-ends for older HF radios ...eh ! , =C2=A310 soft = rock or a dongel , job done , something in qst / qex looks 10 = years too late , why not a Leakey grid 6c4 AM detector , if you = want to go retro=20 24 bit compared to the 8 bit USB-TV , but apparently that's not = the problem that might be imagined ......Ive one sitting in the = box , still slowly working down the things to do list ......... = now one that Tx over that range . that would be handy ! G..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Marco Beware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not = cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the dark side of ham radio = publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T stick is = probably a lower spec than that. But not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" =20 Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 10:30 Subject: RE: LF: SDR programs Hello Pete, I bought a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and = it=E2=80=99s very impressive how this small USB stick works. I compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive = with the Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the = same signal strength. SDR program is SDR-Radio http://sdr-radio.com/ vy73 Marco, DD7PC From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 20 June 2012 20:40 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app and = ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 = (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK = source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg = O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v = into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound = card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB = supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software = is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting software = for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to get = started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/ you will also find a = link to sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time to = learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01CD4FCB.E08DFED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy quotes   16  bits  on   = the =20 yahoo  for the  fun-Q   , I though  was  = 24 =20
 
well  this  has  been  about  for  = a =20 while  , with the  PIC based   projects  = that =20 needed  the  =C2=A320   pic  pr-loaded  = to  finish=20 the  job ......  most  hard-faced  one   I = watched   , was the  digital voice  , who  = after =20 many  hams  helped  the  project , some =20 with  code etc  , sold  out to  become  = d-star =20
 
At least  Georges   svg packet-engine   , = kept=20 the  last free  working  issue  on  his  = web-site=20 , nothing wrong  with  that , and the  commercial =20 version  of  ROS  doesn't  seem to  be on = the =20 horizon , so  that's another mad-chicken   shot  =
 
But  your  right,  in the  land of  'not = as we=20 know it'  A  request  for a  special  = tx =20 permit  to  test    a hardware based  =  =20 spread  spectrum  modem  for HF was   = actually =20 rejected  ..how  much is a pactor modem  or the =20 super-packet  hf modem to  buy  ?...... imagine  = if =20 some  one then  posted  a  free  for  = all =20 software  version ..... that  would  of  = caused =20 a  big  pie-fight  !
 
Echo  ?  only  of the  past  hihi

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:15 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Graham
 
Yep it's Ham Radio Graham, but not as we know it.
 
BTW, Do you get the feeling there's an echo somewhere on this=20 reflector??

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, 21 = June 2012,=20 14:40
Subject: Re: = LF: SDR=20 programs

Well   unintended   consequence   = may =20 be playing  a  part  in this  as well , by the  = time=20 the  project  was  finished ,I think   it  = was  out of  economic  production  range  =  ,=20 the  rest  is on-going history  as  development = costs =20 probably  will  not  be  re-claimed , its  = cheap =20 , but  not  that  cheap  ,  same as  = lots =20 of  posts  about  making   digital =20 back-ends  for  older  HF  radios  ...eh = !  =20 , =C2=A310  soft rock  or  a  dongel  , = job  done ,=20 something  in qst / qex  looks  10  years too =20 late  , why not a  Leakey  grid  6c4  AM = detector ,=20 if  you  want to  go  retro
 
24  bit  compared to the  8 bit  = USB-TV   ,=20 but  apparently  that's  not the  problem that  = might  be  imagined ......Ive one  sitting  in = the  box=20 ,  still  slowly  working down the  things to  = do =20 list ......... now  one that   Tx over that  = range  .=20 that  would be  handy !
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Marco
 
Beware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not=20 cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the = dark side of=20 ham radio publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T = stick=20 is probably a lower spec than = that. But=20 not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!!
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 "Scholz, Marco " <marco.scholz@citi.com>To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org'"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012,=20 10:30
Subject: RE: = LF: SDR=20 programs

Hello=20 Pete,
I=20 bought a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it=E2=80=99s = very impressive=20 how this small USB stick works.
I=20 compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive = with the=20 Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the same signal=20 strength.
SDR=20 program is SDR-Radio http://sdr-radio.com/
 
vy73
Marco,=20 DD7PC
 
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 20 June 2012 = 20:40
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: SDR=20 programs
 
Hi all
Save those precious Euros = because you=20 don=E2=80=99t know how long they will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint = Seeber=E2=80=99s =20 BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) = DVB-T USB=20 stick.=20
These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to = =C2=A310 from UK source and=20 cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the = cheap=20 way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or = similar=20 block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to = UHF=20 coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.=20
Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations=20 with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough=20 all your local FM BC as well.  Not a lot of people know=20 that!
URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_comp= atibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You = won=E2=80=99t read about=20 this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0)
Yy 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es = GL Pete=20 M0FMT IO91UX
From: = Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012,=20 18:40
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi=20 Piotr,

Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i = searched=20 for.
But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR = software=20 is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're=20 referring on usable for both, IQ and mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one = of my SL=20 teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab = i would=20 prefer that i think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi = Stefan,=20 LF
>
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The = primary=20 supporting software for all their sdr  hardware is = Spectravue.
> you=20 can download this program from the rfspace site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult to=20 get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it you = will like=20 it:)
>
> on a "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/  you = will also find=20 a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
> =
> =20 they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver=20 front side
>  It has many many different options - of course, = it does=20 take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather = easy..
>=20
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and easy=20 to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr software = supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of = sdr=20 programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                  =  =20                     =  =20                     =  =20         yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: = Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
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Max Scordamaglia From: f4dtl@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:33 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz,CW Sunday July 1, 2012 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.149.158.35 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 222431427b0fb799ed82c2c5d7851cd5 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz,CW Sunday July 1, 2012 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CD4ED3.EF294E20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:467240800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fe194401c6d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Messaggio multiparte in formato MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CD4ED3.EF294E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sto provvedendo a copiare. Domani ti passo tutti i dati. Max Scordamaglia From: f4dtl@aol.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:33 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz,CW Sunday July 1, 2012=20 We will remind you of the Grimeton Radio/SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz, = CW, with the Alexanderson alternator on Sunday July 1, 2012 = ,=E2=80=9CAlexanderson Day=E2=80=9D, at 09:00 UTC and 12:00 UTC. We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before message. The radio station is open to visitors. There will be activity on amateur radio frequencies with the call = "SK6SAQ" from 09:15 to 11:30 UTC and 12:15 to 13:00 UTC. Any of following frequencies: - 14.035 kHz CW - 14.215 kHz SSB >From 07:00 UTC also on: - 3.755 kHz SSB QSL-reports are kindly received: - E-mail to: info@alexander.n.se - or fax to: +46-340-674195 - or via: SM bureau - or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios Vaenner, Radiostationen =20 Grimeton 72 SE-432 98 GRIMETON, SWEDEN (NB: new address) Also read our web site: www.alexander.n.se Yours Lars Kalland SM6NM ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CD4ED3.EF294E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Max=20 Scordamaglia
 
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:33 AM
Subject: LF: SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz,CW Sunday July 1, = 2012=20
 
We will=20 remind you of the Grimeton Radio/SAQ transmissions on 17.2 kHz, CW, with = the=20 Alexanderson alternator on Sunday=20 July 1, 2012 ,=E2=80=9CAlexanderson Day=E2=80=9D, at 09:00 UTC and 12:00 = UTC.
 
We will start tuning up some 30 minutes before=20 message.
The radio station is open to=20 visitors.
There will be activity on amateur radio = frequencies with=20 the call "SK6SAQ" from = 09:15 to=20 11:30 UTC and 12:15 to 13:00 UTC.
 
Any=20 of following frequencies:
- 14.035 kHz CW
- 14.215 kHz SSB
 
From=20 07:00 UTC also on:
-   = 3.755 kHz SSB
 
QSL-reports are kindly received:
 
- E-mail to: info@alexander.n.se
 
- or fax to: = +46-340-674195
 
- or via: SM bureau
 
- or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton=20 Veteranradios Vaenner,
  Radiostationen           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20
  = Grimeton=20 72
  = SE-432=20 98 GRIMETON, SWEDEN (NB: new = address)
 
Also read our web site: www.alexander.n.se
 
Yours
Lars Kalland
SM6NM
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Bob  If you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at earlier posts.  However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of little interest to you.  You say dangle we say dongle..... :-0  These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug straight into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving local digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in the US and they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. If I need to tell you more please ask but this is all in public domain on the web (but not in Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played with these things for about 6 months now and for a few quid (dollars) are fun. If you build a simple up converter with a say a 60meg LO guess what, you have an all band HF radio as well.  Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? We are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars.  73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d5ac66e7920295f519efeb68ecc59e6f Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-357169082-1933783804-1340654283=:10216" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485739520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d007.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4fe8c306291e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---357169082-1933783804-1340654283=:10216 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bob=0A=C2=A0=0AIf you are directing that mail to me then you need to loo= k at earlier posts.=0A=C2=A0=0AHowever if you are a cheque book Ham then it= will be of little interest to you. =0A=C2=A0=0AYou say dangle we say dongl= e..... :-0=0A=C2=A0=0AThese are TV front ends that use the SDR principle an= d plug straight into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for r= ecieving local digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are availa= ble in the US and they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gi= gs. If=C2=A0I need to tell you more please ask but this is all in public do= main on the web (but not in Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played wi= th these things for about 6 months now=C2=A0and for a few quid (dollars) ar= e fun. If you build a simple up converter with a say a 60meg LO guess what,= you have an all band=C2=A0HF radio as well.=0A=C2=A0=0AOh and BTW I was no= t entirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? We are talking 10 dollars= not 300+dollars.=0A=C2=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A___________= _____________________=0A From: "riese-k3djc@juno.com" =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 19:34= =0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A =0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0A=0A=0ABeen Kinda o= ut of any loop on this=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0ABUT =0A=0Aif what I read,, if I c= onnect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct chip =0Aset =0Ait will cover = MF to HF using=C2=A0 an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ = =0Awhich I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set =0AH= DSDR =0Awill run that TV dangle=C2=A0as a HF radio =0A=0A?? =0A=0ABob K3DJC= =0A=0AOn Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" =0Awrites: =0AHello Pete =0A>=0A>If we're talking about low p= riced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on the block in the form of the = Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. =0A>It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SD= R i.e. a direct sampling digital down conversion SDR. =0A>It covers 100kHz= to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a LAN interface for = remote access. =0A>The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc sh= ipping and VAT. =0A>=0A>You can find more details here =0A>=0A>http://4z5lv= .net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description =0A>=0A>https://www.box.com/s/1cd= 9353fa35b1022925e =0A>=0A>I've no connection other than being a satisfied c= ustomer. =0A>=0A>73s Tracey G5VU =0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>Fro= m: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, June = 21, 2012 9:55 PM =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Mal= =0A>>=0A>>The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is t= he price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or=C2=A0A/D co= nverter.=C2=A0They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on LF = because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good soun= d card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO=C2=A0I don't think its = worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks people = have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It = looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX suppie= rs do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.=0A>>= =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>____________________________= ____=0A>> =0A> ---357169082-1933783804-1340654283=:10216 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bob
=
 
If you are directing that mail to = me then you need to look at earlier posts.
&n= bsp;
However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be o= f little interest to you.
 
<= span>You say dangle we say dongle..... :-0
&n= bsp;
These are TV front ends that use the SDR principle and= plug straight into your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for re= cieving local digital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are availab= le in the US and they can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gig= s. If I need to tell you more please ask but this is all in public dom= ain on the web (but not in Ham mags, at least not in UK). I have played with these things for about 6 months now and for a few quid (d= ollars) are fun. If you build a simple up converter with a say a 60meg LO g= uess what, you have an all band HF radio as well.
 
Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tr= acy was getting at below?? We are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=
From: "riese-k3djc@juno.com" <riese-k3djc@juno.com>= ;
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Sent: Monday,= 25 June 2012, 19:34
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

=EF=BB=BF=0A= =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A
=0A
 
=0A
Been Kinda= out of any loop on this  
=0A
 
=0A
BUT<= /div>=0A
 
=0A
if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner u= sb dangle witht he correct chip =0Aset
=0A
it will cover MF to HF = using  an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ
=0A<= div>which I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set =0A= HDSDR
=0A
will run that TV dangle as a HF radio
=0A
=  
=0A
??
=0A
 
=0A
Bob K3DJC
=0A<= div> 
=0A
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner"= <tracey.gardner@t= alktalk.net> =0Awrites:
=0A
=0A
Hello Pete
=0A =
 
=0A
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there i= s a relatively new kid on =0A the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net = from Israel.
=0A
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.= e. a direct sampling =0A digital down conversion SDR.
=0A
It co= vers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a =0A LAN= interface for remote access.
=0A
The best bit is that it costs = just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT.
=0A
 
=0A <= div>You can find more details here
=0A
 
=0A =0A
 
=0A =0A
 
=0A
I've no = connection other than being a satisfied customer.
=0A
 =0A
73s Tracey G5VU
=0A
=0A
----- Original Message -----
=0A
From: =0A M0FMT
=0A
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A =0A
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 =0A PM=0A
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs
=0A
=
=0A
=0A
Hi Mal
=0A
 
=0A The whole reason these things are getting so much attention is the =0A = price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or A/D =0A = converter. They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on L= F =0A because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a g= ood sound =0A card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO I do= n't think its =0A worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the = DVB-T sticks people =0A have been opening them up to look at the SMT chi= p marking if not sure. It =0A looks like they don't erase the markings l= ike some well known LF TX suppiers =0A do. Oh and the software plug-ins = are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A


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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello LF, it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 turns of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have only made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct connection with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it advisable to use the main coil as the primary winding? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.214 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: LF: Coupling a LF resonant ferrite rx antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="261575577-1084759841-1340892873=:80692" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:387302976:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m025.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4fec66ff4a13 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --261575577-1084759841-1340892873=:80692 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF,=0A=0A=0Ait seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (a= bot 80 turns of Litz wire over a bundle of=A0seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling = and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning r= ange is about 160-650 kHz and could=A0easily be moved to lower frequencies = by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have only made some quick= tests by inductively coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a port= able radio. I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct c= onnection with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for example a tr= ansformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommen= ded, is it advisable to use the main coil as the primary winding?=0A=0A73= =0ADaniele IZ5WWB --261575577-1084759841-1340892873=:80692 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hell= o LF,
 
it seems I managed to build a pretty good fer= rite coil (abot 80 turns of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm = rods). Nulling and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current va= r cap, tuning range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to = lower frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have on= ly made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct connection wi= th a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or= a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it a= dvisable to use the main coil as the primary=0A winding?
 
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 
--261575577-1084759841-1340892873=:80692-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2CD3938000087; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 05:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SdI8E-0006JA-CX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:38:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SdI8E-0006J0-0B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:38:54 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc1-s24.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.190.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SdI8C-0003Xd-9m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:38:52 +0100 Received: from BAY154-W48 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 9 Jun 2012 02:38:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [81.200.63.88] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: _RSGB_LF Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 11:38:49 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2012 09:38:49.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACB44F30:01CD4623] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, LF!I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-)RST = 599 UFB 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Hello Stefan, LF! I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, S/N more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.54.190.35 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (bvgbob[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 046f068074e745d5c60ca47deee9b503 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f3eb08fe-a196-4ee6-9936-f96dc612e2c1_" Subject: LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:363481792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fd319d65401 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_f3eb08fe-a196-4ee6-9936-f96dc612e2c1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan=2C LF!I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very = good=2C S/N more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local s= tation :-)RST =3D 599 UFB 73! Lubos=2C OK2BVG=2C JN88KS = --_f3eb08fe-a196-4ee6-9936-f96dc612e2c1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Stefan=2C LF!
I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is = very good=2C S/N more than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a lo= cal station :-)
RST =3D 599 UFB

73!

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= --_f3eb08fe-a196-4ee6-9936-f96dc612e2c1_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B15EE380000DE; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfX50-0002eh-TT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:00:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfX50-0002eY-Dq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:00:50 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfX4y-0006TD-Fu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:00:49 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5FE0ll4026040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:00:47 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5FE0lsX031888 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:00:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDB3FAA.5000806@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:59:06 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD66C8A.5050402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003701cd4883$e6965560$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4FD731C9.3050301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDA6F0F.3080104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000a01cd4add$b33c1720$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <000a01cd4add$b33c1720$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks to Andrey and Jay for the reports! Looks like QRN (if present) and maybe 10 dB more attenuation is the only real limitation on LF in summer... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon to the west Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440476224:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61874fdb4051571b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thanks to Andrey and Jay for the reports! Looks like QRN (if present) and maybe 10 dB more attenuation is the only real limitation on LF in summer... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 15.06.2012 10:05, schrieb rn3agc: > Hi Stefan, > > 01:10z > > 73 > Andrey Am 15.06.2012 12:00, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net: > Stefan > > Your signal reached the high water mark of 20 dB s/n in 28 mHz last > night. Capture at http://www.w1vd.com/grabber.html . > Thanks to good condx (DST of -15nt and low static levels) we can put a > check mark next to June! > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4AEA8380000AC; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkiEq-0002sg-2B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:56:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkiEp-0002sX-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:56:23 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkiEn-0008Vm-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:56:22 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120629205620.PIOI15330.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:56:20 +0100 Received: from boxa ([86.24.136.143]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with SMTP id <20120629205619.UDFM23925.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@boxa> for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:56:19 +0100 From: "Mike" To: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:56:02 +0100 Message-ID: <00a201cd5639$99b912a0$0200a8c0@boxa> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4FEE0F7E.2090109@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2001 Importance: Normal X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=vGjkTdrGDAgA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=VoRU4pNpVuMA:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=q1sqUgIiAAAA:8 a=VAMm1qzQAAAA:8 a=5Wi1-r2fAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=488HzUmRLvi9yRs41V4A:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=gUVE0s_LM8WGMU-y6WUA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=eo-GZudRXdAA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan The source or load impedances are wrong. Try the test with a pot in series on one end first and see what value resistance reduces the ripple. Best if a spec can be found then design circuit to provide the correct Z. If no spec then vary the source and load until the ripple is minimum - ignore the insertion loss at this time. When you come to a value then provide it with the circuitry. When this stage is reached the insertion loss should minimise at the same time as the ripple. Looks an excellent filter and will perform well when fed and loaded correctly. 73 de Mike G3JVL Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [81.103.221.49 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 081739af09bdcbecda01e4d970c01b31 Subject: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CD5641.FB823590" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482307712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4fee16b8793b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CD5641.FB823590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Stefan The source or load impedances are wrong. Try the test with a pot in series on one end first and see what value resistance reduces the ripple. Best if a spec can be found then design circuit to provide the correct Z. If no spec then vary the source and load until the ripple is minimum - ignore the insertion loss at this time. When you come to a value then provide it with the circuitry. When this stage is reached the insertion loss should minimise at the same time as the ripple. Looks an excellent filter and will perform well when fed and loaded correctly. 73 de Mike G3JVL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Schfer Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters 4th try... -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200 Von: Stefan Schfer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MF, I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473 kHz. It is available at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbaute ile.html (scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the impedances to be connected to the wires. There is even a datasheet at http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very high. See the image: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%2 0473%20kHz.png So what have i done wrong? Or is it that bad? The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red wire, with a tap at the yellow wire. Helpful was this image from the web http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jp g which shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change. Any ideas or suggestions? Guess for what i will need the filter! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2433.1.1/5098 - Release Date: 06/29/12 07:34:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CD5641.FB823590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Stefan The source or load impedances are wrong. Try the test with a pot = in=20 series on one end first and see what value resistance reduces the=20 ripple.
Best=20 if a spec can be found then design circuit to provide the correct=20 Z.
If no=20 spec then vary the source and load until the ripple is minimum - ignore = the=20 insertion loss at this time.
When=20 you come to a value then provide it with the = circuitry.
When=20 this stage is reached the insertion loss should minimise at the same = time as the=20 ripple.
Looks=20 an excellent filter and will perform well when fed and loaded=20 correctly.
73 de=20 Mike G3JVL
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Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed,=20 mechanical filters

4th try...

--------=20 Original-Nachricht --------=20
Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Sch=E4fer <schaefer@iup.uni-heide= lberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= 


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473=20
kHz. It is available at=20
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html=
=20
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the=20
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the=20
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at=20
http=
://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very=20
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very=20
high. See the image:=20
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%204=
73%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green =

wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and=20
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red =

wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web=20
ht=
tp://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which=20
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the=20
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as=20
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

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------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CD5641.FB823590-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7D1BD38000081; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd8uu-0003fp-Gu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:48:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd8uu-0003fg-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:48:32 +0100 Received: from smtp3.mail.ru ([94.100.176.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd8ur-0001j0-A2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:48:30 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=mail.ru Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:References:To:From:Message-ID; bh=SXw+8mBXN3lQqLD9zs6Sc3Rd1vJi9FgCGBssPDLSdsM=; b=rjxVIUdFwr829OYJ9Ou7vK1uf/7JAXcthdutE/ykq7Kg6zV+9ZC3tBw0jP/nuO1U6o1b+SgFhHlZqNKWgkrOTL0GKLw7B6MC3ntEp6XdbW0juYq7SKRFgufGAAPXrH+s; Received: from [79.98.8.29] (port=51686 helo=EFREMOV) by smtp3.mail.ru with esmtpa (envelope-from ) id 1Sd8up-00045v-8n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Jun 2012 03:48:27 +0400 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <004601cd45d1$2cc6a630$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "rn3agc" To: References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CF13DA2999C95F-250-7AFD@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> <001701cd45c6$e3bfee60$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <8CF13DF5AA6BDA8-250-7CC1@web-mmc-m09.sysops.aol.com> <003501cd45cc$eadbca10$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <4FD289A2.8000400@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 03:47:40 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Wow, Stefan!:)) It is fantastic night!!!:) record: http://agc.ufo.ru/sound/120608-dk7fc-cw.mp3 [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [94.100.176.131 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rn3agc[at]mail.ru) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451545120:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m207.1 ; domain : mail.ru DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fd28f8811bf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Wow, Stefan!:)) It is fantastic night!!!:) record: http://agc.ufo.ru/sound/120608-dk7fc-cw.mp3 GN 73 Andrey > Wow, Andrey! > Very good hell reception. Once again i didn't expect this would be > possible in middle of June in 2000km! > Oops, DF&NM should read DF6NM of course... > > I think i will run the beacon overnight until i need the transmitter for > QSOs tomorrow... Maybe you can hear it? > > QRG 137.0 once again... > > 73 from inside the old car :-) > > Stefan > > Am 09.06.2012 01:16, schrieb rn3agc: >> Markus, >> >> Excellent propagation! Your signal 10-12 db, Stefan ~20 db (audible)! >> >> Opera: >> 22:29 136 PA0WMR Op8 -30 dB >> >> 73 >> Andrey >> >> >> Andrey, thanks for the nice report! >> At 22:30 I sent another test in DFCW, and SNR at the fieldday site had >> improved to 30 dB. >> >> 73, >> Markus (DF6NM) > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F244538000082; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 09:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBIy-0007wo-2b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:57:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbBIx-0007wf-Ig for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:57:15 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbBIv-0001Ya-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:57:14 +0100 Received: by obfk16 with SMTP id k16so14400611obf.16 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 06:57:11 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7DKgnagZhUs9Beb5oMZXsIJUwlcDL+9pMvpjVM4ZnyE=; b=ON9lzxgV27C4JgzjjMzx4/dskLHOsEjbL7sUYIuGm3YPOm2ID+1ia2I1sJ1KwO8vNq ysl3xnTB/Pjkikm3669Y1sHZzaLgN9dUAzSmE0Cl0AoLFakIm8QsxghobnhcKUuFA89v XDRFKGq70+kEZkISeE/Etfe2XvydiAMayamV6DRiokaPEV8PirFeA1OEH7fW3wZkt68e jh49kwLbr+Vk8PSdqozUMgVEzuzV+s3jnlXd2BaBobYldEJCRz6BPxfnGD53O/UMB7Qq J90vxHtDSETgVfsgLWY3ZbHYm0eqcAbCJXJM77XpRMmyzBMrzKcY/Xg6hnuQO0rnZzJC Dngg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.207.98 with SMTP id lv2mr3037375obc.13.1338731831351; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 06:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 06:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:57:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is a clear view on the way forward. I thought that there was, but there seem to still be some with concerns. I personally don't want to have two groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups earlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there were lots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups offering. Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Groups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing what the preference is for the way forward. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 420019f4991fbaa4f653703c21f48617 Subject: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f5024ea41dacd04c191cbb4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486615520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m414.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fcb6d641124 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8f5024ea41dacd04c191cbb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is a clear view on the way forward. I thought that there was, but there seem to still be some with concerns. I personally don't want to have two groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups earlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there were lots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups offering. Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Groups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing what the preference is for the way forward. For those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of course have to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can exercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish). The detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow: Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the rsgb_lf_group group: Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, how do you want to continue? o With the Yahoo! Groups list o With the Blacksheep.org list o Both lists To vote, please visit the following web page: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! 73 John, G3WKL --e89a8f5024ea41dacd04c191cbb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group v= ersion to see whether there is a clear view on the way forward. =A0I though= t that there was, but there seem to still be some with concerns. =A0 I pers= onally don't want to have two groups, which is why I didn't support= a move to Yahoo! Groups earlier; I thought from what I had read on the lis= t that there were lots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Gr= oups offering. =A0Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Gr= oups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing wha= t the preference is for the way forward. =A0

For those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of co= urse have to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can exerci= se your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish).

The detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as f= ollow:

<= div>
Enter your vote today! A new pol= l has been created for the
rsgb_lf_group group:
Now that you've had a= chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list,
how do you want to continue?

o With the Yahoo! Groups = list
o With the Blacksheep.org list
o Both lists


To vote, please visit the= following web page:
http:/= /uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=3D13140385

Note: Please do not reply= to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to = the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!


73 John, G3WKL
--e89a8f5024ea41dacd04c191cbb4-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B858B3800009C; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 06:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb7f8-0005c9-FD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:03:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sb7f8-0005c0-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:03:54 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sb7f6-0000cL-ER for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:03:52 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlIJAB42y09cF/B0/2dsb2JhbABFsncEgSSBCIITBQEBBAEIAQEDSQImBgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBAQklFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh3UJqEeNDYsRToIsgxYDiA2FMJB+hlaCYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,707,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="383058930" Received: from host-92-23-240-116.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.116]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Jun 2012 11:03:51 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01cd4170$2c0b19c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <5804C62C151B4755A82A3AA96D1B3749@JimPC> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:03:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jim They all went to Yahoo like a Flock of Sheep with no advantage for the majority. Blacksheep reflector in conjunction with Dropbox for large atachments has worked very well. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:28 AM Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: LF: Re: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443988736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61894fcb36bf3b1f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jim They all went to Yahoo like a Flock of Sheep with no advantage for the majority. Blacksheep reflector in conjunction with Dropbox for large atachments has worked very well. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:28 AM Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Gettign rid of Black Sheep > Dear John, LF Groups > > --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "John" wrote: > > > > Am I right in thinking that most people have transitioned to the new group > > here, and that I can ask the sysop to delete the remaining addresses on > > the list? > > At the moment, there are two RSGB LF Groups, with postings that overlap but > are not the same. This is a confusing situation leaving you wondering which > group to send replies to, etc. So I think one or the other needs to be > deleted, I guess you have to delete the one that will upset the fewest > people... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 47F17380000A4; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgx4I-0003AG-7D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:57:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgx4H-0003A7-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:57:57 +0100 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sgx4G-0003Vc-5B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:57:56 +0100 Received: from IMAP1 (balancer7.mediabeam.com [10.100.1.80]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5JBvp8U018940; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:57:54 +0200 Received: from [192.168.178.33] ([37.4.36.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpa.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5JBvoFa002291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:57:51 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE06941.6020404@kabelmail.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:57:53 +0200 From: DK1IS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear group, to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the MF-allocation in Germany which I´ve got today via email from our authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). 73 and cul on MF! [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: cbf9d9751ac5f32708197d03fa6d8d74 Subject: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060508090908070304020305" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81586 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:336417472:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4fe069b64814 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060508090908070304020305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtpa.mediabeam.com id q5JBvoFa002291 Dear group, to whom it may concern: enclosed please find the official text of the=20 MF-allocation in Germany which I=C2=B4ve got today via email from our=20 authorising agency "Bundesnetzagentur" (BNetzA). 73 and cul on MF! 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan The only two real radio amateur stations that are on frequently on LF with World wide communications experience are G3KEV and DK7FC but we have not been consulted. Those shouting loudest for Yahoo are not even active of LF or MF so that leaves 2 of us and 153 others so what is their experience and knowledge. I want to see a democratic vote on both Blacksheep and Yahoo with callsigns to see who has the credentials to make this final decision. If anyone else knows different let us know. There are several DX stations world wide who are DXing but I am often in contact by direct email and do not need any reflector. I can do without it as I do on daily HF activities, it is certainly no hinderance. Blacksheep has been useful but not essential Please contact me on direct email if you need information or skeds on LF/MF This discussion seems to be amongst a few subscribers why are there 150 members with nothing to say. It seems odd to me !! g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.5 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: d0d76c369792b807e0925732d18ad9b1 Subject: LF: Re: general Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0128_01CD427B.54F47550" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:496796256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fccf70850c5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01CD427B.54F47550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan The only two real radio amateur stations that are on frequently on LF = with World wide communications experience are G3KEV and DK7FC but we = have not been consulted. Those shouting loudest for Yahoo are not even active of LF or MF so = that leaves 2 of us and 153 others so what is their experience=20 and knowledge.=20 I want to see a democratic vote on both Blacksheep and Yahoo with = callsigns to see who has the credentials to make this final decision. If anyone else knows different let us know. There are several DX stations world wide who are DXing but I am often in = contact by direct email and do not need any reflector. I can do without it as I do on daily HF activities, it is certainly no = hinderance. Blacksheep has been useful but not essential Please contact me on direct email if you need information or skeds on = LF/MF This discussion seems to be amongst a few subscribers why are there 150 = members with nothing to say. It seems odd to me !! g3kev =20 ----- Original Message - From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:43 PM Subject: LF: general Dear LF group, In the last few weeks, very sad things happened. We can't screw the = time back. But a significant damage of closeness of the group happened = i'm afraid. First members unsubscribed completely. For what? MORE? Is = that more? It's a SHAME! Maybe the "people in power" begin to realise what is happening here. I do not want to take part in the discussion any longer. All the = statements, worries, ideas, objections and appeals have been clearly = formulated, many times! Amateur radio work on 137 kHz and below 9 kHz was a very nice time and = work for me in the last 2.5 years. This wouldn't have been possible = without this group. Thank you for that! I hope we can go on together in some time. 73! Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01CD427B.54F47550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Stefan
The only two real radio amateur stations that = are on=20 frequently on LF with World wide communications experience are = G3KEV=20 and DK7FC but we have not been consulted.
Those shouting loudest for Yahoo  are = not even=20 active of LF or MF so that leaves 2 of us and 153 others so what is = their=20 experience
and knowledge.
I want to see  a democratic vote on both = Blacksheep=20 and Yahoo with callsigns to see who has the credentials to make this = final=20 decision.
If anyone else knows different let us = know.
There are several DX stations world wide who are = DXing but=20 I am often in contact by direct email and do not need any=20 reflector.
I can  do without it as I do on daily =  HF=20 activities, it is certainly no hinderance.
Blacksheep has been useful but not essential
Please contact me on direct email if you = need=20 information or skeds on LF/MF
This discussion seems to be amongst a few = subscribers why=20 are there 150 members with nothing to say. It seems odd to me = !!
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 = 3:43 PM
Subject: LF: general

Dear LF group,

In the last few weeks, very sad = things=20 happened. We can't screw the time back. But a significant damage of = closeness=20 of the group happened i'm afraid. First members unsubscribed = completely. For=20 what? MORE? Is that more? It's a SHAME!

Maybe the "people in = power"=20 begin to realise what is happening here.

I do not want to = take part=20 in the discussion any longer. All the statements, worries, ideas,=20 objections and appeals have been clearly formulated, many=20 times!

Amateur radio work on 137 kHz and below 9 kHz was a very = nice=20 time and work for me in the last 2.5 years. This wouldn't have been = possible=20 without this group. Thank you for that!
I hope we can go on = together in=20 some time.

73! Stefan/DK7FC

------=_NextPart_000_0128_01CD427B.54F47550-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 28026380001A3; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg044-0001Hu-L0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:57:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sg044-0001Hl-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:57:48 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.39.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sg042-0003v5-Oc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:57:47 +0100 Received: from cpsps-ews06.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.173]) by cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:57:46 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.24]) by cpsps-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:57:45 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.13] ([62.131.23.134]) by CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:57:45 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCF349.5060100@kpnmail.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:57:45 +0200 From: pa3abk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FDCE611.7070004@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <4FDCEF47.9050805@kpnmail.nl> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2012 20:57:45.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE052230:01CD4C02] X-RcptDomain: blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ. And stop when your CQ starts again. There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.75.39.15 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Subject: Re: LF: CW on 477.5 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452860864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844fdcf3730479 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, At the mom I'll will call you on 502kHz everytime you stop your CQ. And stop when your CQ starts again. There's some QSB on it but have peaks in the region of 4-5. Jan/pa3abk On 16-6-2012 22:40, pa3abk wrote: > Stefan, > > Can you indicate were you listen in your CQ call? > > At te mom you are becoming better. > > > > Jan/pa3abk > > On 16-6-2012 22:01, Stefan Schfer wrote: >> MF, >> >> Now my RX and active antenna is much better after adding a band >> filter in front of the first gate. Most probably there was an >> overload of the input before. Now DLF is 40 dB attenuated and the RX >> performs much better. I can hear the crashes / sferics and see >> several traces, still not sure if they are local QRM or a far field >> signal. >> >> My TX is ready as well. I will *call CQ on 477.5 kHz in CW and look >> for skeds*! I can receive on 505 kHz (arround) as well but my filters >> in the RX already attenuate the region by about 20 dB... Anyway worth >> a try. >> >> Starting now! >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > -- pa3abk<-> dordrecht jo21it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 10C0E3800008F; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Skd1D-00022L-TP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:21:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Skd1D-00022C-IH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:21:59 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Skd1C-0005N7-14 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:21:58 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5TFLvlr014101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:21:57 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5TFLuEe032404 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:21:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEDC7A2.9060903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:20:02 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 36d47b28361eae8203bb4b7ac61fa630 Subject: LF: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:358531264:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fedc8625215 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 990A7380000A1; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd6Nu-0002BN-He for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:06:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sd6Nt-0002BE-Oe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:06:17 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sd6Nq-0001BO-S4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:06:16 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q58L6Dd9021240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q58L6Dkf032390 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD268E7.9000904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:04:39 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD1D9DC.4050804@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD20B52.20044.41BC10@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mike, LF The grabber is running now. We have WLAN on the camping yard :-) I'm running the ferrite antenna and netbook INSIDE my car! It's quite stormy and i want to stay with the others arround the fire for some time. However the RX is running and i hope the upload will be stable. I just stopped the beacon so my noiseblanker can work properly. Try if you can make a signal coming through at [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 66d07794ca19cd68f7d6cc289cd4ac18 Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:396463904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554fd269a16b7a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Mike, LF The grabber is running now. We have WLAN on the camping yard :-) I'm running the ferrite antenna and netbook INSIDE my car! It's quite stormy and i want to stay with the others arround the fire for some time. However the RX is running and i hope the upload will be stable. I just stopped the beacon so my noiseblanker can work properly. Try if you can make a signal coming through at http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html Jpg upload via dropbox out of the car ;-) Tomorrow when the QRN is low we may try a QSO. The K9AY antenna i tried is not suitable but maybe i can find the preamp somewhere in all the radio stuff i'm carrying arround here all the time ;-) 73! Stefan/DK7FC Am 08.06.2012 15:25, schrieb Mike Dennison: > Stefan, > > I can offer a sked, but what sort of transmission do you want? > > Your CW sigs are very good again today with less static - see the > picture on my new activity blog: http://g3xdv.blog.com > The picture shows DCF39 only a little stronger than you - this is > rubbish of course, as that station was leaking round my CW filter. > > 73 de Mike > ======== > > > >> Our radio club is on a fieldday again. I will take the chance and >> experiment with directional K9AY antennas for LF. Different sizes and >> shapes will be tested. The locator will be JN49FV26GJ >> (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49FV26GJ). If someone of the >> others offers a WLAN i can run a /p grabber and will upload some >> images to >> http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_Grabber4.html >> Maybe it will be possible to make a sked, if someone is interested. I >> will stay there until saturday 13 UTC. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 764EA3800008C; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sasy7-0000ef-M6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:22:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sasy7-0000eW-5j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:22:31 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sasy5-0006jz-E4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:22:30 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.16]) by mwinf5d08 with ME id HWNS1j0050Lx2rm03WNSXu; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:22:28 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E9E1.7090509@psk31.plus.com> <1338636091.1363.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <001301cd40b7$180c6230$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338640428.47967.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <9AAFFD4E2A73484B91A5C743638F9076@AGB> <1338641975.19311.YahooMailNeo@web171602.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <4FCA4106.4000602@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FCA416D.6070901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:22:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120602-0, 02/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes , The PC com-port is one of the keying options , with the txd/dtr/rxd being selectable , two com ports may be selected , to allow for station tx/rx and data keying ( I think the same port can be selected twice with different txd/dtr/rxd options selected for each function) Gary may use this ?) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452092960:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41164fca5a1973a2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes , The PC com-port is one of the keying options , with the txd/dtr/rxd being selectable , two com ports may be selected , to allow for station tx/rx and data keying ( I think the same port can be selected twice with different txd/dtr/rxd options selected for each function) Gary may use this ?) The other option is the conventional audio/Rf translation by way of SSB Tx , using usb , the audio / carrier frequency using this facility is placed by a scanning routine in the lowest s/n part of the audio band in use , to prevent collisions etc. com-port keying , is as per normal vfo/dds operation , ensuring the carrier is placed to coincide with the appropriate rx audio pass band , when the Rx is set usb at the normal operating qrg . G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:38 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: Opera... > PS: Is the PC keyed by the RS232 port? Or what? Free choice of the TX line > (TXD or DTR or RXD...) ? > > 73, Stefan > > Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb Stefan Schfer: >> G.., LF, >> >> What is the current up to date opera version? Still v1.4.1? >> What about the CPU load, say on a 5...7 year old PC? >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E0CF9380000A6; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiBSU-00080S-7L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:32:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiBST-00080J-J4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:32:01 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiBSS-0002SR-1k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:32:00 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5MLVwBj012406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:31:58 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5MLVwvt025968 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:31:58 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE4E3E2.8030209@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:30:10 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4E6E0AD4.4838.465714@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <1315833746.18312.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Daniele, I think the others have already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ). But what i want to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio call? I've never heared from it so far. Or is it new? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050703030109020807070905" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:367802560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4fe4e4a80c3c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050703030109020807070905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele, I think the others have already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ). But what i want to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio call? I've never heared from it so far. Or is it new? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 22.06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tincani: > > 73 > Daniele IZ5WWB --------------050703030109020807070905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele,

I think the others have already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ).
But what i want to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio call? I've never heared from it so far. Or is it new?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 22.06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tincani:

73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 
--------------050703030109020807070905--
Yes Dennis <= /div>
 
A lot on nice amateurs shifte= d frequency to give me a report which was nice.
 
Well the application would not pick up a com port= , the window was just blank, and try as I might the damn thing wouldn't con= nect. I played around with the port USB numbers in application manager but = nothing worked....... left it over night and all is well in the mornin= g  ..... you tell me? 
 
=
Oh and while we are on. Is this what you refered to during = our QSO........ "Maybe get Dennis on as well....... I have reservations abo= ut encouraging Dennis with computers after the VAC debacle! "
<= div> 
The dictionary definition is ... A sudden, disastrous collapse, downfall, or defeat; a rout. A total, o= ften =0Aludicrous failure.
 
Which of the above definitions don't you agr= ee with? .......... hee hee sorry Dennis .... If I mention any one in a mai= l I usually CC them it's only descent.  But I thought you would grab h= old of that ..... :-) 
 
= Anyway you will smile when you hear that I have just dropped a full c= up of tea on the carpet while answering this ...... Poetic Justice?<= /div>
 
Opera is a form of CW and as = such deserves a look at like FSK but probably narrower that 20c/s at the ke= ying rate used. I have some comparisons and a method of calculating the ban= d width of CW somewhere I reckons it's very narrow.
=  
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
<= div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-siz= e: 12pt;">
From:<= /span> DENNIS EASTERLING <dennis.easterling@btinternet.com>
<= b>To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Sent: Saturday,= 2 June 2012, 17:24
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

=EF=BB=BF=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A
=0AHi Pete
=0A
 
=0A
Been busy and did not read your emails until it was =0Atoo late, but = judging by reports it looks good, though pity about PC =0Acrash.  = ; It seems that you sorted out the opera keying, I wonder what =0Awas wrong= before?
=0A
 <= /div>=0A
73 Dennis M0JXM
= =0A
=0A
----- Origina= l Message -----
=0A
Fr= om: =0A = M0FMT
=0A =0A
Sent: Saturday, June= 02, 2012 11:21 =0A AM
=0A
Subject: LF: beacon on = 501.59kc/s USB RX =0A dial
=0A

=0A
=0A
Hi All

P= lease report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QR= G.

73 Pete FMT
=0A
=0A
 =0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
  =0A
=0A


=
Yes Dennis <= /div>
 
A lot on nice amateurs shifte= d frequency to give me a report which was nice.
 
Well the application would not pick up a com port= , the window was just blank, and try as I might the damn thing wouldn't con= nect. I played around with the port USB numbers in application manager but = nothing worked....... left it over night and all is well in the mornin= g  ..... you tell me? 
 
=
Oh and while we are on. Is this what you refered to during = our QSO........ "Maybe get Dennis on as well....... I have reservations abo= ut encouraging Dennis with computers after the VAC debacle! "
<= div> 
The dictionary definition is ... A sudden, disastrous collapse, downfall, or defeat; a rout. A total, o= ften =0Aludicrous failure.
 
Which of the above definitions don't you agr= ee with? .......... hee hee sorry Dennis .... If I mention any one in a mai= l I usually CC them it's only descent.  But I thought you would grab h= old of that ..... :-) 
 
= Anyway you will smile when you hear that I have just dropped a full c= up of tea on the carpet while answering this ...... Poetic Justice?<= /div>
 
Opera is a form of CW and as = such deserves a look at like FSK but probably narrower that 20c/s at the ke= ying rate used. I have some comparisons and a method of calculating the ban= d width of CW somewhere I reckons it's very narrow.
=  
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
<= div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-siz= e: 12pt;">
From:<= /span> DENNIS EASTERLING <dennis.easterling@btinternet.com>
<= b>To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Sent: Saturday,= 2 June 2012, 17:24
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

=EF=BB=BF=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A
=0AHi Pete
=0A
 
=0A
Been busy and did not read your emails until it was =0Atoo late, but = judging by reports it looks good, though pity about PC =0Acrash.  = ; It seems that you sorted out the opera keying, I wonder what =0Awas wrong= before?
=0A
 <= /div>=0A
73 Dennis M0JXM
= =0A
=0A
----- Origina= l Message -----
=0A
Fr= om: =0A = M0FMT
=0A =0A
Sent: Saturday, June= 02, 2012 11:21 =0A AM
=0A
Subject: LF: beacon on = 501.59kc/s USB RX =0A dial
=0A

=0A
=0A
Hi All

P= lease report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial =0A setting. Temporary QR= G.

73 Pete FMT
=0A
=0A
 =0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
  =0A
=0A


=

From: Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:30 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: ... SDR programs
Hi all
=
 
You must make sure the stick has a= n RTL2832 chip set!
HDSDR is a windows application. = The BorIP app is in a windows version (and this also gives remote oper= ation facility) and the DLL will also run under windows. I have it working = on several PCs two on Vista and one on Win 7.
 
The set up is not perfect in that the software can = loose track of the stick LO if too large frequency jumps are undertaken and= restarts of the application are required. However normal use say within th= e 20 to 30meg range when used as a HF IF it is not an issue. I have not exp= lored the full envelope but on 2m and 70cms I get the local repeaters&= nbsp;OK its great for airband RX. I think may be for 1296 it may need a Gasfet front end (this works from my experience) or very good beam.=
 
For first hand inform= ation Google or in my case Yahooooo Balit Seeber (he is a VK Op)&= nbsp;an OZ. He has written all the software and up set the OZ establis= hment by logging all the radio emitters in OZ electronically some= thing the their government can't do........ a bit of a wiz!! and very helpf= ul
 
 
http://wiki.spench.net/wiki/RTL2832=
 
 
For info. This arrangement works well. The rate of processing data is low 8b/s which is inferior t= o say a softrock and sound card. But to have the HF spectrum as a continuous ribbon of tuning is a buzz. My HF converter seems to require no= front end amplification in fact on 40m at night it can overload. An attenu= ator may be considered. The application does have a gain control and should= be set carefully about mid range for starters. For LF an amp probably coul= d be considered. The up converter is open to experiment to cover what ever = is your interests.
 
Thi= s is a very cheap solution that works and is within any Radio Amateurs abil= ity to make up even if just to cover VHF.
The cost i= s peanuts...... oh and the HDSDR has offsets in dial calibration for just t= his set up so by using known BC stns the dial can be set very accurately ma= king the set up a useful instrument for tracking down harmonics and sprogs.=
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
= Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2= 012, 0:24
Subject: Re:= LF: SDR programs

=0A=0A =0A =0A
 
Geri,
 
All of these decodes are  above the  -28 dB =20 minimum   for ros-mf-2   data  mode ........... = should  be  able to  make a   2  way  = qso ,=20 If  I  can  get the  same  level  at  = your  end  !
 
Thinking  later , may  be  using  the  = same =20 dial-set  qrg  for  the  Ros MF mode  , would = be =20 a  better  idea  , than  setting  to  = the =20 top of the  band , as the  Opera  qso  mode =20 is   1400/1600 Hz   and  would  not=20 interfere   with  the  beacon  decodes , MF = mode=20 is  based  on 1500 Hz  both  packages  = could =20 be  run at the  same  time , monitoring  477 =  
 
The  ROS MF modes  2+7 baud are  also  linked = to=20 the  psk-reporting  system  and  have =20 beacon   facility ,  for  MF-2 ,  De = G0NBD =20 is  all  the  text  that  is  needed , = the =20 software  detects  the  'De'  and  reads = the =20 call  after  it  and  will  announce the =20 decode  via  the  web .......an  automated = beacon =20 reply  is also  available  , where  the  = station=20 will  auto  reply  to a call  .........as in = Opera  ,=20 no  web-time  locking  is  required .
 
73 -G..
 
 
00:36    500 DK8KW Op4 -23 = dB
00:27    500=20 DK8KW Op4 -23 dB
00:14    500 DK8KW Op4 -26=20 dB
00:06    500 DK8KW Op4 -23 dB
 
00:44    500 DK8KW Op4 -20 = dB
00:36    500=20 DK8KW Op4 -23 dB
00:27    500 DK8KW Op4 -23=20 dB
00:14    500 DK8KW Op4 -26 = dB
00:06   =20 500 DK8KW Op4 -23 dB
 

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft = sdr=20

Graham,
 
I will look into ROS, I have a SSB = exciter=20 that works down to 100 kHz which should be able to do the=20 trick.
 
 
Thanks, 73
 
Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 9:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: BINGO !! Opera = decode=20 from 477 via Delft sdr

DF2JP
 
First  station  to  decode  off  air , = at =20 -22 dB   that is  strong enough  to  use = the =20 ROS-MF-2  data  mode  for  a qso !   ,=20 Opera  qso mode  needs  -20 dB min signal  = level  ,=20
 
(ROS MF needs  Audio + ssb  or  SDR   = tx  ,=20 but  is  MFSK  so  no need  for  a  = linear=20 PA )
 

18:44 500 DK8KW de DF2JP Op4 160 mi -22 dB in Duesseldorf with 0.4w = +=20 Umbrella,

18:44 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -29 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:12 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: nietoros@hotmail.com
Subject: LF: BINGO !! Opera decode from 477 via Delft sdr=20

First decode  from  477 ,  = using =20 web-sdr  at Delft 

73 -G.

16:07 500 DK8KW Op4 -28 dB

*********** 16/06/2012 ***********=20

 

16:07 500 DK8KW de G0NBD Op4 245 mi -28 dB in delft web sdr with = 0.4w +=20 Umbrella

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Again Graham The FL2000b has 2 x 572B triodes in parallel grounded grid. These are directly heated tubes and have carbon anodes. 1/ they give a good light display and 2/ you can tune up by observing the "blush" on the anodes (if you wanted to). I have had it years hardly use it got after the original owner had had it retubed and serviced. Makes a bit of difference on 80m when the going gets difficult. 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These are directly heated tubes and have carbon anodes. 1/ they give = a good light display and 2/ you can tune up by observing the "blush" on the= anodes (if you wanted to). I have had it years hardly use it got after the= original owner had had it retubed and serviced. Makes a bit of difference = on 80m when the going gets difficult.=0A=0AAs with your hipower thyratron a= ll you need is a good multi Kw PSU.=A0 Oh and some x-ray protection?=0A=0AI= spent a bit of time in the MoD back in the 90s=A0and one radar I used to v= isit was on Scotland's east coast it was very old but nothing to replace it= . The whole transmitter cabin rotated with the antenna. God knows what the = power O/P was. The power pickup was via a pair of circular channels of merc= ury and the bottles in the cabin where a sight to see probably kicked out a= s much x-ray as they did microwave.=0AWe were running a mobile radar fairly= modern still thermionic had=A0a massive single Klystron 1MW pulse! On site= was a new solid state phased array unit there to replace the old rotary ca= bin Joby but wasn't having a happy time. A major complaint was the ops coul= dn't turn the rx gain up to see the sparkles to be confident it was working= ..... hee! The new systems have a lot of software processing before the dis= play reaches the scopie. Hasen to add I am not a radar expert in any way. W= hen you work for that outfit you get thrown into jobs you know nothing abou= t. I was mainly on comms infrastructure and didn't know much about that eit= her.... ;-0.=0A=0AOh and yes used 4cx250s and 4cx150=A0in 2m and 70cms PAs = the one for 70 took off and recked my transverter. They were designs out of= the old RSGB VHF handbook when I were a Jaite!=0A=0AI am not going back to= Hi power Tube rigs again its not necessary when hi power FETs are so cheap= .=0A=0AAny way this all a bit off topic. Its bit like the last day at schoo= l before the summer break on this reflector doing what you like before it g= ets turned off.... hee! And not much to do with Class d/e or any other lett= er of the alphabet.. What I have to sort out is my RX for MF/LF it is not g= ood, need some ideas?=0A=0A=A073 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A__________= ______________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 1:55=0ASubject: R= e: LF: RE: Class E etc=0A =0A=0AOk Pete .. blow up ? !!......Depends on th= e=A0 tubes=A0 : ))=A0 http://home.comcast.net/~n6jv/data/6C21.pdf =0A=0AThi= s=A0 is what=A0 you need=A0 (with a=A0 bit of re-work)=A0 =0A.....=A0 =0Ah= ttp://www.radartutorial.eu/08.transmitters/tx06.en.html =0AVK or Bust=A0 !!= =0A=0AFL2000=A0=A0 , with=A0 2=A0 x 813=A0 ?=A0 nice=A0 =0Aamp,=A0=A0 my= =A0 skanti=A0 trp5000=A0=A0 has=A0=A0=A0 =0A2 x=A0=A0=A0 4cx250-b=A0=A0 in = the=A0 PA=A0 runs well=A0 =0A1.8/30 Mhz=A0 ,=A0=A0 I=A0 use=A0=A0 2=A0=A0 = =0Acombined=A0 skanti 250 watt solid state 50v=A0 =A0linear amps=A0 =0Awith= the=A0 ma1723 for=A0 LF>Hf=A0 , wide=A0 band=A0 , =0A=A0just change the=A0= ATU=A0 hi .....=A0=A0 could=A0 do=A0 =0Awith a=A0 simple=A0 class e/d for= =A0 500=A0 as=A0 the=A0 =0Aab1=A0 amps=A0 are a little=A0 power hungry .. = =0A=0AG.. =0A=0A=0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:59= PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: RE: Class E et= c =0A =0AHi Stefan and Graham =0A=A0 =0AThanks for the comments. None of my= MF/LF tx.s run more that =0A160watts although by seriesing a couple of PSU= s one with a floating ground I can run =0Aabout 280Watts o/p from the TX. I= don't like seriesing the PSUs so =0Aonly do it during experimenting not on= the air. Need to build a new=A0high =0Avoltage PSU 100V at a good current = =0Arating.=A0The rigs are FET PA IRF840 etc=A0mostly xtal controlled or xta= l mixer type master oscillator (but do have DDS), into a FET driver chip. A= nd set them as described =0Aearlier. =0A=A0 =0AI have played with High powe= r Audio amps on 136kc/s transforming the =0ALow impedance to 50 ohms+/- usi= ng Ferrite cored transformer to drive the antenna =0Atuner. Front end curre= ntly popped!! =0AUsing it for QRSS overnight.Will get it =0Aback on soon. = =0A=A0 =0AMy interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side issue and am not advoca= ting =0Athem for serious modern MF/LF work. =0AHowever there is no reason w= hy not. =0A=A0 =0AI have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 abou= t 4/5 watts out Choke modulated AM =0Aand CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on = AM =0Aon 3.615megs. The second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO con= trolled but now is again xtal mixer vxo. They use 6CL6 video tubes in the P= A. The 500kc/s tube tx only runs a watt o/p yet to figure out =0Awhy, it sh= ould be about 5watts. How=A0ever on my new found Opera4 =0Ahave=A0been repo= rted in PA0 land (on the limit). =0AI have built and still got one or two= =A0807 PAed rigs for 80m knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by= an unknown amateur in the =0A1950s and a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 =0Ar= ig on the stocks.... but probably won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This= to =0Ashow my thermionic credentials.... hee! =0A=A0 =0AFor shear interest= I would like to try and make a high efficiency =0ATUBE PA but probably won= 't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX design =0Alooks interestin= g but probably very dodgy to set up, stability and all. Graham =0Ayour arc = tubes is all very well but what I have read is that they have a =0Atendency= to blow up...... and so do FETs ok so no change there then. =0A=A0 =0AMy c= urrent limitation to power Stefan is lack of a single stable PSU with a cou= ple of KW output. The =0Aantenna is now reduce to 35ft up and 128ft top. = =0A=A0 =0AI don't have a good RX for MF/LF what I have are deaf by others s= tandards and this is my =0Amain area of interest at the moment. I have used= a TS50 and a TS690s full =0Afilters=A0plus a couple of direct conversion H= B=A0RX=A0with active filers and notch. =0AFront ends have gone from dual ga= te mosfet to straight into the mixer but S/N is still poor evidenced by WSP= R and Opera reports I give to other station who are being received much bet= ter elsewhere. If any =0Aone can help me with that then it would make life = here on MF/LF=A0a lot better. =0A=A0 =0AKeep the bands =0Aopen and may get= to work you Stefan now you have 472/9....... why the delay in the UK???? = =0A=A0 =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A______________________________= __=0AFrom: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0ATo: r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012, =0A22:05=0ASu= bject: Re: LF: RE: =0AClass E etc=0A=0A=0AHi Pete, LF, =0A=0AOn 137 kHz or = 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% =0Aefficiency with a class E PA. BTW= a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if =0Ayour antenna provides stable= resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit to obtain t= he best efficiency (not the highes output power), a well designed class E = =0APA is definitifely a good choice! 1 kW RF =0A(CW, key down!) is possible= with a single IRFP MOSFET. =0AI =0Ahardly expect that you will get such an= efficiency with a tube amp but i can =0Aunderstand the fascination of a gl= owing tube in a dark shack, although i'm not from the tube generation ;-) T= he first =0Apower amplifier i heard of was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i wa= s 12 year old or =0Aso :-)=0A=0A73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A=0A=0AAm 13.06.2012 16:5= 1, schrieb M0FMT: =0AWell shoot me down with my britches on fire! =0A>=A0 = =0A>Mal =0A>I have just found an article on an enhanced Class C in Tube a= mplifiers By RCA. =0A>I have heard of higher efficiency Valve amps but nev= er gave them any time because I thought they used special valves to achiev= e the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned circuit in t= he anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the third harmonic of th= e anode one. By combining the drive wave with the third hamonic you get a v= ery fast rising pulse type=A0wave at the drive frequency in the PA tuned c= ircuit as with a class D/E solid state amp. URL is ........ http://nrcdxas= .org/articles/bta5t/ =0A>=A0 =0A>I think the point about this is that it w= orks OK for fixed frequency TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. = And probably will work OK for us on LF with such narrow allocations where = we may get away with one set up. =0A>=A0 =0A>Now to see if it is scalable = to lower power video tubes. =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=0A>From= : mal hamilton =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A>Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, 19:48=0A>Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E et= c=0A>=0A>=0A>Pete es Co =0A>The class C tube amplifer is the nearest you ca= n get to class D or E and well designed would=A0produce 70% efficiency. = =0A>The class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it = is merely an RF switch at the frequency of interest and the voltage genera= ted is increased by a step up transformer with probably 80% to 90% efficie= ncy if you are lucky. =0A>Like some have said a tube amp is more robust an= d tolerant of mismatch to antenna without smoke. Fets are good but can go = bang if one is not careful about matching to load. =0A>I have some Dentron= amps for the HF bands and they have been going for years. =0A>Fets are pr= obably more manageable, compact =A0and safer regarding voltages, beware of= tubes with voltages of a few K/volts at high current, like an electric c= hair!! =0A>73 de mal/g3kev =0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From:= M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, June 12,= 2012 11:15 AM =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Ke= n =0A>>=A0 =0A>>I believe you can operate=A0some thermionic devices in hig= her classes than C=A0but they generally lack the frequency response of a m= odern FET. I won't go into figures but just think about it. The high effic= iency output stage has to operate like a switch it is not actually an ampli= fier. The faster it changes state from fully on with ultra low resistance = to fully off (which=A0means a device that will operate=A0well into the=A0= VHF)=A0the higher the efficiency. If you have a device that is barely rate= d to say a couple of megs its not going to be much good (in terms of what = we are talking about)=A0at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to get the mag= netic field in the inductor to rise and collapse at a very fast rate in-ord= er to generate a high electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are= not talking sine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a= scope on the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean lo= oking sine wave. Try it. =0A>>=A0 =0A>>That chart at the end of that PDF file is very= clever and is the guide=A0I use to bring a PA into optimum performance. = =0A>>=A0 =0A>>What I was trying to say is that the math is all very well bu= t if you are trying to make a practical and=A0efficient CW TX for LF then= =A0there is enough empirical data from following the guide lines lines sho= wn on the sites I have posted=A0that will get you a good TX. If you want a= doctorate in theoretical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that wil= l detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power, = efficient=A0TX design well within anybodies capabilities.=A0The GW3UEP desi= gn being IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no=A0RadCom=A0style unobt= ainium in the components listing. =0A>>=0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>= =0A>>From: Ken =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org =0A>>Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 22:09=0A>>Subject: LF: RE: Class = E etc=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Pete. =0A>>About 40 years ago my integration w= as quite good, liked doing 2nd order differential equations, partial inte= gration and integration by parts, the one thing I had big problems with wa= s 3 dimensional integration of a point in free space . =A0=A0Looking at so= me of the sites my Class C MOSFET PA is probably more like Class E by defau= lt. The reason I like valves is because they are very forgiving devices un= like semiconductors, also the keep the shack and the cat warm. =0A>>=A0 = =0A>>73s =0A>>=A0 =0A>>Ken =0A>>=A0 =0A>>M0KHW =0A>>=A0 =0A>> =0A>>From:own= er- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg ] On Behalf Of M0FMT=0A>>Sent: 11 June 2012 19:16=0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org=0A>>Subject: LF: Class E etc =0A>>=A0 =0A>>=A0Hi Ken =0A= >>=A0 =0A>>Ha ha Stefan, how good is=A0your Integration Ken? =0A>>=A0Here a= re a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a good du= mmy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier= is to do with=A0 A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip = (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully=A0on an= d fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate=A0on off timi= ng (mark / space). Ensuring the=A0max permitted gate voltage for the FET= =A0is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode cl= amp helps.=A0 B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance=A0in the dra= in=A0circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow it wit= h=A0a=A0low pass filter, although the output wave will be surprisingly cle= an.=A0Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily know al= l the starting=A0parameters and in any case=A0the result is=A0going to wid= e of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for= fast, very fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the dra= in circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good ef= ficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation f= rom the FET is very low at high power=A0giving cool heat-sinks! =0A>>=A0T= he GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency= =A0and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I = have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twi= ce that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting = L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape f= or max efficiency is the way to go. The article below shows you what you a= re looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C = to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak = voltage across the Dummy load.=A0I then transfer my=A0connector from the D= ummy load to the input of the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I = adjust the coupling link to give the same peak voltage=A0across the tuner = link turns. You are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across = the dummy load indicating a 50ohm match.=A0This is done by either=A0adding or reducing=A0the number of turns (about two turns) along= with bringing the the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak=A0up= -lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak.=A0=A0 =0A>>=A0= =0A>>Oh yes and WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from Maplin work w= ell. =0A>> =0A>>=A0Read the articles and search info on class E amplifiers= .=A0 =0A>>=A0 =0A>>=A0 =0A>>For some bed time reading but ignor the math l= ook at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at the end which tell it all = really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AA= CD5-poweramps.pdf =0A>>=A0 =0A>>For design ideashttp://www.classeradio.com= / =0A>>=A0 =0A>>For a good practical circuit for a single ended amp=A0tha= t =A0is a scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the wheel. =0A>>ht= tp://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/ =0A>> =0A>>=A0For antennas and antenna feed meth= ods a "look no where else site" =0A>> =0A>>http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/1= 36ant/ =0A>>=A0 =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>=A0=0A>=0A> --1507048413-1119496326-1339665853=:36124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hi Again Graham
 
The FL2000b has 2 x 57= 2B triodes in parallel grounded grid. These are directly heated tubes and h= ave carbon anodes. 1/ they give a good light display and 2/ you can tune up= by observing the "blush" on the anodes (if you wanted to). I have had it y= ears hardly use it got after the original owner had had it retubed and serv= iced. Makes a bit of difference on 80m when the going gets difficult.
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As with your hipower thyratron all you need is a good= multi Kw PSU.  Oh and some x-ray protection?
 
I spent a bit of time in the MoD back in the 90s and one radar I us= ed to visit was on Scotland's east coast it = was very old but nothing to replace it. The whole transmitter cabin rotated with the antenna. God knows what the power O/P was. The power pick= up was via a pair of circular channels of mercury and the bottles in the ca= bin where a sight to see probably kicked out as much x-ray as they did micr= owave.
We were running a mobile radar fairly modern still thermio= nic had a massive single Klystron 1MW pulse! On site was a new solid s= tate phased array unit there to replace the old rotary cabin Joby but wasn't having a happy time. A major= complaint was the ops couldn't turn the rx gain up to see the sparkles to be confident it was working...= .. hee! The new systems have a lot of software processing before the displa= y reaches the scopie. Hasen to add I am not a radar expert in any way. When= you work for that outfit you get thrown into jobs you know nothing about. = I was mainly on comms infrastructure and didn't know much about that either.... ;-0.
 
Oh and yes used 4cx250s and 4cx= 150 in 2m and 70cms PAs the one for 70 took off and recked my transver= ter. They were designs out of the old RSGB VHF handbook when I were a Jaite= !
 
I am not going back to Hi power Tube rigs agai= n its not necessary when hi power FETs are so cheap.
 
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Any way this all a bit off topic. Its bit like the last day at school = before the summer break on this reflector doing what you like before it get= s turned off.... hee! And not much to do with Class d/e or any other letter= of the alphabet.. What I have to sort out is my RX for MF/LF it is not goo= d, need some ideas?
 
<= div> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Gr= aham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 1:55
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Class E etc

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Ok = Pete .. blow up ? !!......Depends on the  tubes  : ))  http://home.comcast.net/~n6jv/data/6C21.pdf
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This  is what  you need  (with a=   bit of re-work)  =0A..... 
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VK or Bust  !!
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FL2000   , with  2  x 813  ?  ni= ce  =0Aamp,   my  skanti  trp5000   has&= nbsp;   =0A2 x    4cx250-b   in the = ; PA  runs well  =0A1.8/30 Mhz  ,   I  use&nb= sp;  2   =0Acombined  skanti 250 watt solid state 50v&n= bsp;  linear amps  =0Awith the  ma1723 for  LF>Hf&nb= sp; , wide  band  , =0A just change the  ATU  hi .= ....   could  do  =0Awith a  simple  class e/= d for  500  as  the  =0Aab1  amps  are a litt= le  power hungry ..
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G..
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=0A
Hi Stefan and Graham
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=0A
Thanks for the comm= ents. None of my MF/LF tx.s run more that =0A160watts although by seriesing a couple of =0APSUs one wit= h a floating ground I can run =0Aabout 280Watts o/p from the TX. I don't li= ke seriesing the PSUs= so =0Aonly do it during experimenting not on the air. Need to build= a new high =0Avoltage PSU 100V at a good current =0Arating. The rigs ar= e FET P= A IRF84= 0 etc mostly xtal controlled or xtal =0Amixer type master oscillator (but do have = DDS), into a = FET driver chip. And set them as described =0Aearlier.
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=0A
I have played with High powe= r Audio amps on 136kc/s transforming the =0ALow impedance to 50 ohms+/- usi= ng Ferrite cored transformer to drive the antenna =0Atuner. Front end curre= ntly popped!! =0AUs= ing it for QR= SS overnight.Will get it =0Aback on soon.
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My interest in Valve or Tube TX is a side = issue and am not advocating =0Athem for serious modern MF/LF work. =0AHowever the= re is no reason why not.
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=0AI have made a couple of TUBE QRP rigs one for 160/80 about 4/5 watts out= Choke modulated AM =0Aand CW and FSK. Worked most of UK on AM =0Aon 3.615megs. T= he second is a copy for 500kc/s was originally VFO controlled but now is again xtal mix= er vxo= . They use 6CL6 video tubes in the PA. The 500kc/s tube =0Atx only runs a watt o/= p yet to figure out =0Awhy, it should be about 5watts. How ever on my = new found Opera4 =0Ahave been reported in PA0 land (on the limit).
=0A
I have built and still got one or two 807 PAed rigs f= or 80m knocking about. Plus a Louis Varney design made by an unknown amateur in t= he =0A1950s and a Codar T5 and a push pull 807 =0Arig on the stocks.... but proba= bly won't get finished. Plus an FL2000B. This to =0Ashow my thermionic cred= entials.... h= ee!
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=0A
For s= hear interest I would like to try and make a high efficiency =0ATUBE PA but= probably won't get around to it. But that 1960s RCA AM BC TX design =0Aloo= ks interesting but probably very dodgy to set up, stability and all. Graham= =0Ayour arc tubes is all very well but what I have read is that they have = a =0Atendency to blow up...... and so do FETs =0Aok so no change there then.=0A
 
=0A
My current limitation to p= ower Stefan is lack of a single stable =0APSU with a couple of KW output. The =0A= antenna is now reduce to 35ft up and 128ft top.
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=0A
I don't have a good RX for MF/LF what I have are= deaf by others standards and this is my =0Amain area of interest at the mo= ment. I have used a TS50 and a TS690s full =0Afilters plus a couple of= direct conversion HB RX with active filers and notch.
=0A<= div>Front ends have gone from dual gate mosfet to straight into the mixer b= ut S/N is still poor evidenced b= y WSPR= and Opera reports I give to other station who are being =0Areceived much better elsewhere. If= any =0Aone can help me with that then it would make life here on MF/LF a l= ot better.
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=0A
Keep the bands =0Aopen and = may get to work you Stefan now you have 472/9....... why the delay in the UK????
=0A
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=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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=0A
From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0A<Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni= -heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
S= ent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012, =0A22:05
Subject: Re: LF: RE: =0AClass E etc

=0A
=0A
Hi Pete, LF,

On 137 kHz = or 500 kHz you can quite easy achieve 95% =0Aefficiency with a class E PA. = BTW a ferrite transformer is not needed! So if =0Ayour antenna provides sta= ble resonance and impdedance and if you like to play arround a bit to obtain the best e= fficiency (not the highes output power), a well designed class E =0APA is definitifely = a good choice! 1 kW RF =0A(CW, key down!) is possible with a single IRFP MOSFET.
I = =0Ahardly expect that you will get such an efficiency with a tube amp but i= can =0Aunderstand the fascination of a glowing tube in a dark shack, altho= ugh i'm not from the tube generation ;-) The first =0Apower amplifier i heard of = was a 2N3055 in the late 80s as i was 12 year old or =0Aso :-)

73, S= tefan/DK7FC<= br>

Am 13.06.2012 16:51, schrieb M0FMT: =0A
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= Well shoot me down wi= th my =0A britches on fire!
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=0A
Mal
=0A
I have just found an article on= an enhanced Class C in Tube =0A amplifiers By RCA.
=0A
I have heard of higher efficiency =0A Valve amp= s but never gave them any time because I thought they used special =0A val= ves to achieve the fast response. But apparently not, it relies on a tuned = =0A circuit in the anode and cathode. The cathode LC being set at the thir= d =0A harmonic of the anode one. By combining the drive wave with the thir= d hamonic you get a very fast rising pulse =0A type wave at the drive frequ= ency in the PA tuned circuit as with a class =0A D/E solid state amp. URL = is ........ http://nrcdxas.org/articles/bta5t/
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=0A
I think the point about this is =0A that it works OK for fixed freque= ncy TX's like broadcast transmitters and the like. And probably =0A will work OK= for us on LF with such narrow allocations where we may get away =0A with = one set up.
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=0A
Now to see if it is scalab= le to =0A lower power video tubes.
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=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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Fro= m: mal h= amilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sen= t: Tuesday, 12 June 2012, =0A 19:48
Subject: Re: LF: RE: =0A Class E etc

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Pete es Co
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The class C tube <= span id=3D"yiv77121966misspell-65" class=3D"yiv77121966mark">amplifer is the nearest you can get to class D or E and well =0A designed would&n= bsp;produce 70% efficiency.
=0A
The = class D or E is not really an amplifier in the convential sense it is merely an R= F switch at =0A the frequency of interest and the voltage generated is inc= reased by a step up =0A transformer with probably 80% to 90% efficiency if= you are lucky. =0A
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Like some ha= ve said a tube amp is more robust and =0A tolerant of mismatch to antenna = without smoke. Fets are good but can go bang if one is not careful about =0A mat= ching to load.
=0A
I have some Dentron amp= s for the HF bands and they have been going for =0A years.
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Fets are probably =0A more manageable, compact  = ;and safer regarding voltages, beware of tubes =0A with voltages of a few = K/volts at high current, like an electric =0A chair!!
=0A 73 de mal/g3kev
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=0A
----- Original Message -----
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From: M0FMT
=0A
To: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org =0A
=0A
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:15 =0A AM
=0A =
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Cl= ass E etc
=0A

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<= span>Hi Ken
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=0A
I believe you = =0A can operate some thermionic devices in higher classes than C&nb= sp;but =0A they generally lack the frequency response of a modern FET. I won't go int= o figures but just t= hink about =0A it. The high eff= iciency =0A output stage has to operate like a switch it i= s not actually an amplifier. =0A The faster it changes state from fully = on with ultra low resistance to fully =0A off (which means a device= that will operate well into =0A the VHF) the higher the = efficiency. If you have a device that is =0A barely rated to say a coupl= e of megs its not going to be much good (in terms =0A of what we are tal= king about) at 500kc/s. Remember you are trying to =0A get the magn= etic field in the inductor to rise and <= span>collapse at a very fast =0A rate in-order to =0A generate a hig= h electromagnetic field at the drive frequency. We are not =0A talking s= ine waves here as a scope on the drain will show. Although a scope =0A o= n the output side of the drain inductor will show quite a clean looking =0A= sine wave. Try it.
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=0A=
That chart at the end of that PDF =0A file is very clever and is the g= uide I use to bring a PA into optimum =0A performance.
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=0A
What I was trying to= say is that the math is all very well but if =0A you are trying to make= a practical and efficient CW TX for LF =0A then there is enou= gh empirical data fr= om following =0A the guide lines lines shown on the sites I have posted&= nbsp;that will get =0A you a good TX. If you want a doctorate in theoret= ical physics to bamboozle you colleagues then that will =0A detract from the time it takes to build a very interesting high power,= =0A efficient TX design well within anybodies capabilities. T= he GW3UEP =0A design be= ing IMHO a very good (Scalable) example with no RadCom style unobtainium in the components = listing.
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=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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=0A
From: Ken <ken.h.w= right@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A =
Sent: Monday, 11 Jun= e =0A 2012, 22:09
Subject: LF: =0A RE: Class E etc

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=0A
Hello !
 
http://home.deds.nl/~knol/SAQ.jpg
 
The SAQ spectrum here in The = Netherlands -=20 Appingedam - JO33kh
 
SIDdetector: http://home.deds.nl/~knol/blog.htm
 
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InV  L  Top  wire  config  - Best Option = ??
 
Any  thoughts on the  best  configuration  for=20 the  top  wire ??
 
Tnx -G,
 
 
 
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X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FCB6979.16782.CAC7BE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1338728765.66649.YahooMailNeo@web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:06:05 +0100 (BST) From: Daniele Tincani To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FCB6979.16782.CAC7BE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Personally, I tend to agree with Mike. In fact, I use one single e-mail account to be "reflected" about messages from any group (several yahoo and non-yahoo groups) that I am subscribed to. I only visit the group pages when I want to search the group archives about specific topics. Best regards Daniele [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.193 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: Re: LF: Yahoo vs Blacksheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="671563967-703859175-1338728765=:66649" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:408316640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m275.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4fcb616c619a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --671563967-703859175-1338728765=:66649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Personally, I tend to agree with Mike. In fact, I use one single e-mail acc= ount to be "reflected" about messages from any group (several yahoo and non= -yahoo groups) that I am subscribed to. I only visit the group pages when I= want to search the group archives about specific topics.=0ABest regards=0A= Daniele=0A=A0=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A Da: Mike Denniso= n =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato= : Domenica 3 Giugno 2012 14:41=0AOggetto: LF: Yahoo vs Blacksheep=0A =0AI = am puzzled by those few who are against the change-over to=0AYahoo. Once yo= u have joined and set your option to "e-mail=0Aonly", you never need to vis= it the Yahoo site again and the=0Aemails from Yahoo are virtually the same = as those from this=0Areflector. How does the change affect the user?=0A=0AM= ike, G3XDV=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --671563967-703859175-1338728765=:66649 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Personally, I tend to agree with Mike. In fact, I use one single e-mail a= ccount to be "reflected" about messages from any group (several yahoo and n= on-yahoo groups) that I am subscribed to. I only visit the group pages when= I want to search the group archives about specific topics.
Best regards
Daniele
=  

Da:= Mike Dennison <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Inviato: Domenica 3 Giugno 2012 = 14:41
Oggetto: LF: Yah= oo vs Blacksheep

I am puzzled by those few who are a= gainst the change-over to
Yahoo. Once you have joined and set your optio= n to "e-mail
only", you never need to visit the Yahoo site again and the=
emails from Yahoo are virtually the same as those from this
reflecto= r. How does the change affect the user?

Mike, G3XDV
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--671563967-703859175-1338728765=:66649-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4BA1B380000AD; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuZC-00023v-Di for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:54:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjuZB-00023m-Qm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:54:05 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjuZ9-0005k9-QG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:54:04 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag0FAIIr609Ok8wX/2dsb2JhbABFgkWeBZVdgQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDSQIPHQEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHbAMPsCILiVCKVGMVBoVvA4gXhTaSaIUAgl+BVw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,485,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="40024939" Received: from host-78-147-204-23.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.204.23]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2012 16:54:02 +0100 Message-ID: <005c01cd547d$0fecba30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <172D1CB5F32F43A790DBC99A73F73D59@AGB> <1340728957.15592.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:53:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: To enlighten those that do not know. Not so many moons ago 2m es 70 cms was mainly CW and AM then SSB as well and FM was used only by repeaters when it first arrived. Then for some reason the FM spread to the rest of 2m es 70 cms but there was still a segment at the bottom of each band for cw es ssb, mainly used for DX contacts. Like you say in the old days it was tuning Hight to Low or vice versa nearly everyone was xtal controlled. The Liner 2 es Liner 430 black boxes came along with vfo es cw es ssb, then simplex became the norm. 4 metres was also AM on 70.26 calling channel. For local chats FM is fine but looking further afield then AM, SSB and CW have more punch and better. The LF/MF operator will also find this info useful. g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 974e9bcd09e4f3403f97af2f38f8fb73 Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD547D.0FBCF7A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:453384096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854feb2ccc3870 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD547D.0FBCF7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To enlighten those that do not know. Not so many moons ago 2m es 70 cms = was mainly CW and AM then SSB as well and FM was used only by repeaters = when it first arrived. Then for some reason the FM spread to the rest of = 2m es 70 cms but there was still a segment at the bottom of each band = for cw es ssb, mainly used for DX contacts. Like you say in the old days it was tuning Hight to Low or vice versa = nearly everyone was xtal controlled. The Liner 2 es Liner 430 black = boxes came along with vfo es cw es ssb, then simplex became the norm. 4 = metres was also AM on 70.26 calling channel.=20 For local chats FM is fine but looking further afield then AM, SSB and = CW have more punch and better. The LF/MF operator will also find this info useful. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on = 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. After all = its just the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in a = nonlinear device like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. = Nowerdays I guess you would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base = producing the same effect and using considerably less power over all. = Class E an all. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 17:09 Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Steady on Mal ! this is getting technical !" Your right , FM has a cut off point , where demodulation fails = and also a capture effect , where the stronger of 2 signals will = acquire and hold the demodulator ..always fun on 2 mtrs when a = mobile suddenly takes the channel=20 Am has no cut off point , but gradual degradation until the = recovered audio is no longer usable ......eg, mcw would readable = much lower than AM speech=20 I think much over 250/300 MHz its actually not possible to = produce AM , could be wrong , but there is a limit , may be by = high level modulation falls over , dont see why could not be = via transverting .......=20 G.. From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: A/G FREQS As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and simplex working. I have also = noticed a well modulated AM transmitter is more potent than a FM = transmitter when working at max range. On AM the RX bandwidth can be = opened up to receive several stations simultaneously then select the one = of interest by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on CW. On = FM if you tried this the transmission would fall into a black hole, in = other words the FM rx has to be tailored to the exact bandwidth of the = transmission (same deviation value) g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD547D.0FBCF7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To enlighten those that do not know. Not so many = moons ago=20 2m es 70 cms was mainly CW and AM then SSB as well and FM was used only = by=20 repeaters when it first arrived. Then for some reason the FM spread to = the rest=20 of 2m es 70 cms but there was still a segment at the bottom of each band = for cw=20 es ssb, mainly used for DX contacts.
Like you say in the old days it was tuning Hight = to Low or=20 vice versa nearly everyone was xtal controlled. The Liner 2 es Liner 430 = black=20 boxes came along with vfo es cw es ssb, then simplex became the norm. 4 = metres=20 was also AM on 70.26 calling channel.
For local chats FM is fine but looking further = afield then=20 AM, SSB and CW have more punch and better.
The LF/MF operator will also find this info=20 useful.
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 = 4:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: A/G = FREQS

Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 = on=20 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. = After all=20 its just the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in = a=20 nonlinear device like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. = Nowerdays=20 I guess you would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the = same=20 effect and using considerably less power over all. Class E an = all.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, 26 = June 2012,=20 17:09
Subject: Re: = LF: A/G=20 FREQS

Steady on Mal !   this  is getting  = technical =20 !"
 
Your  right  , FM has a  cut off  point  = ,=20 where  demodulation fails  and  also  a =20 capture  effect , where the  stronger of  2 = signals =20 will  acquire  and  hold the  demodulator=20 ..always   fun  on 2  mtrs   when = a =20 mobile  suddenly  takes  the  channel
 
Am  has no  cut off  point , but  = gradual =20 degradation  until the  recovered  audio  is = no =20 longer usable  ......eg,  mcw  would  = readable =20 much  lower  than  AM speech
 
I think  much over  250/300 MHz   its =20 actually  not  possible to  produce  AM  , = could=20 be  wrong  , but  there is a  limit  ,=20 may   be  by  high  level  modulation = falls over=20 , dont  see  why  could  not  be  = via =20 transverting  .......
 
G..
From: mal hamilton
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: A/G FREQS

As stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and=20 simplex working.  I have also noticed a well modulated AM=20 transmitter is more potent than a FM transmitter when working at max = range. On=20 AM the RX bandwidth can be opened up to receive several stations=20 simultaneously then select the one of interest by closing down the=20 selectivity, the same applies on CW.  On FM if you tried this=20 the transmission would fall into a black hole, in other words = the FM=20 rx has to be tailored to the exact bandwidth of the transmission = (same=20 deviation value)
g3kev
 


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(VPS 120617-0, 17/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, the groundwave does not change, but what you have is varying amounts of skywave and daytime "fading" The wavelength is only a quarter of that at 136kHz so it only tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) reflection height to give the same sort of constrctive and destructive interference. 500kHz does not travel over land so well as the surface "roughness" is bigger wrt a wavelength ( but even rough seas are generally less "rough" than land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency and quite different to both 136 and top-band. There are times of the day when the fading can be vicious at relatively short range Also with the shorter wavelength most antenna height limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at 136kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.192 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 046f068074e745d5c60ca47deee9b503 Subject: LF: Re: Further MF impressions Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479408640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m012.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4fddefd470dd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, the groundwave does not change, but what you have is varying amounts of skywave and daytime "fading" The wavelength is only a quarter of that at 136kHz so it only tales a quarter of the change in (apparent) reflection height to give the same sort of constrctive and destructive interference. 500kHz does not travel over land so well as the surface "roughness" is bigger wrt a wavelength ( but even rough seas are generally less "rough" than land ) Yes 500k is an interesting frequency and quite different to both 136 and top-band. There are times of the day when the fading can be vicious at relatively short range Also with the shorter wavelength most antenna height limited stations can have up to 16 times more ERP than at 136kHz Enjoy the new "playground" :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: LF: Further MF impressions > MF, > > I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal > does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the > afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly > lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the band > noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. > > What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the > afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? > > BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in > these first days... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 78A1A380000A4; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScinT-0004WS-P9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:55:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScinT-0004WJ-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:55:07 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScinQ-000403-LH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:55:06 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q57Jt1R2015980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:55:01 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57Jt06b011936 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:55:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD106B7.3070801@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:53:27 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD0DCF4.7020406@legal-medicine.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD0DCF4.7020406@legal-medicine.de> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks to all again for the reports! Peter, can you publish the downconverter to the baseband (700 Hz sidetone?) as well? A complete compact receiver that makes CW on LF and MF audible without using a PC would be ver interesting. I know some circuits of course and would know how to do but it is always nice to see ideas of others! And so far your circuits look very nice! :-) Now it's raining but i can transmit in ANY weather condition. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:487262464:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94fd1075d49f4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thanks to all again for the reports! Peter, can you publish the downconverter to the baseband (700 Hz sidetone?) as well? A complete compact receiver that makes CW on LF and MF audible without using a PC would be ver interesting. I know some circuits of course and would know how to do but it is always nice to see ideas of others! And so far your circuits look very nice! :-) Now it's raining but i can transmit in ANY weather condition. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: To strong QRN here for a QSO, also i am at my YLs QTH and have no chance to receive here, only the grabber via the web... Am 07.06.2012 18:55, schrieb pws: > Hi Stefan, > > You wrote: >> ... >> I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. > > ... > > Horrible strong here at Kiel, 54N/10E. > Up to 30dB above noise... > > Rig: INA111 balanced E-field probe, 2x30cm, > Homebrewed downconverter to baseband. > > Screenshot there: > http://www.df3lp.de/misc/DK7FC_2012-06-07_16:39s.png > > Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C9CA338000203; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYAj-0003xK-VW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:22:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbYAj-0003xB-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:22:17 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbYAg-0006yw-Bx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:22:15 +0100 Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so2395424wib.10 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:22:13 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=0G2WQoLcL7mqb4PGwQe+F8Gn58XhJ7vIeCK85yS3FuI=; b=i/oHQzUCsy+hbAtbly44uv6yuJmhP7rZx4D+wl7zVC6V4eOsI+XLDBb1zajF6Bjleq sQ/GE+kWCwQHtzgKRgHpO0Zu1vuWC0q+jsl4QnihBMEx8JnbdmJnfDEFnJVjCzjIwTaB kuQgNNsrghd17v9g7EyQpszRnLFm4xCjFgA3hWu2Jv5BNfq2XabsTsfYP8p3acXpoi+Q UAY4LiyDviLep8DcLMUwy4mHlhs1l6FsrjG9ZVxmNrxvyovKQp0uQEm8XRab0yWXpn7Y yVaWaKIlhriHMvafGLa5lgo4ZP0EBp/5FZVtSzV0Kll+qug1cVGTzER0GQrSWuUGSK6s TDCw== Received: by 10.216.142.102 with SMTP id h80mr11576748wej.36.1338819732656; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc6-cmbg17-2-0-cust624.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com. [86.30.58.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ei4sm32749646wid.5.2012.06.04.07.22.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:22:11 -0700 (PDT) References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: Roger Lapthorn X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-Id: <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:22:07 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful inputs. By the way, have you voted yet? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ef570e47a9cf5159a8093427727c2c22 Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-083C948B-78E7-476E-B137-AEAD3A050788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:519446880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d010.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574fccc4d42d00 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-083C948B-78E7-476E-B137-AEAD3A050788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mal, We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful inputs.=20= By the way, have you voted yet? 73s=20 Roger -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 14:26, "mal hamilton" wrote: > I am only quoting what you published reference items 9 and 10. In some oth= er messages from you there is also mention of vetting and banning. Why is th= is such a problem with you. No one else seems to be concerned. > I am merely pointing out concerns that I have about some of your postings= where vetting and banning keeps cropping up. > My argument and others is that one should be allowed to get their opinion h= eard without fear or favour and I do no like to bombarded with words that im= ply restrictive practice. > I am not aware of any attack going on but surely I am permitted to challen= ge what others say, if it effects me and in this case the move to the Yahoo r= eflector does, as it does others as well and they are expressing their opini= ons daily. > It particularly effects me since I am one of the few radio amateurs that a= re active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice on the reflector is useful to= update activity, propagation conditions, DX alerts and technical data about= changes of equipment, power etc. > Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW or Opera. > =20 > de g3kev > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE >=20 > Dear Mal, >=20 > Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not me.=20 >=20 > Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign.=20 >=20 > 73s > Roger > G3XBM >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- >=20 > On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" wrote: >=20 >> Reference postings from G3XBM >> I am concerned about items 9 and 10 >> Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. >> Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those VETTING a= nd what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a different opinion o= r point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR >> What ever happens avoid him as a moderator >> =20 >> de g3kev >> =20 >> =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan Melia ; Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer ; Mar= kus Vester ; James Moritz >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM >> Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE >>=20 >> With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest that the LF-r= eflector migrates to a Yahoo group? >>=20 >> In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or proble= ms with any group to which I belong or moderate. >>=20 >> Instead they have had these advantages: >> Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered in-boxes) >> There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before messages are re= ceived. >> All messages are archived and searchable. >> Large files can be stored. >> Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth. >> Links can be stored/shared >> Videos can be stored. >> Polls can be run. >> Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderators to speed u= p the process) >> Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. >> Spam messages can be filtered >> Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc) >> The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot understand why t= he change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this week it is surely ti= me. >>=20 >> To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would tak= e about 30 seconds and migration to it by all interested members here would t= ake about a day at most. All you need is to agree a group name, who owns it,= who can moderate posts and some basic group ground rules/FAQs. >>=20 >> Please, think about it again.=20 >>=20 >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >>=20 >> --=20 >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ >> http://qss2.blogspot.com/ >>=20 --Apple-Mail-083C948B-78E7-476E-B137-AEAD3A050788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Mal,

<= div>We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful inputs= . 

By the way, have you voted yet?
<= br>
73s 
Roger

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -= -

On 4 Jun 2012, at 14:26, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

<= div>
I am only quoting what you published reference ite= ms 9 and=20 10. In some other messages from you there is also mention of vetting and=20 banning. Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to be concer= ned.=20
 I am merely pointing out concerns that I hav= e about=20 some of your postings where vetting and banning keeps cropping=20 up.
My argument and others is that one should be a= llowed=20 to get their opinion heard without fear or favour and I do no like to bombar= ded=20 with words that imply restrictive practice.
I am not aware of any attack going on but sur= ely I am=20 permitted to challenge what others say, if it effects me and in this ca= se=20 the move to the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as well and they are= =20 expressing their opinions daily.
It particularly effects me since I am one of the f= ew radio=20 amateurs that are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice=20 on the reflector is useful to update activity, propagation=20 conditions, DX alerts and technical data about changes of=20 equipment, power etc.
Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW=20= or Opera.
 
de g3kev
   
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 12:33=20= PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflect= or"=20 Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

Dear Mal,

Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not=20 me. 

Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign. 

73s
Roger
G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

Reference postings from G3XBM
I am concerned about items 9  and 10
Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members=20= banned.
Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the=20= credentials of those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably som= eone=20 who has a different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of= =20 HUMOUR
What ever happens avoid him as a=20 moderator
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Roger Lapthorn
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9= :51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Y= ahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE

With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again sug= gest=20 that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group?

In over 10 yea= rs I=20 have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or problems with any grou= p to=20 which I belong or moderate.

Instead they have had these=20 advantages:
  1. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered=20= in-boxes)
  2. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before m= essages=20 are received.=20
  3. All messages are archived and searchable.
  4. Large files can be stored.=20
  5. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.=20
  6. Links can be stored/shared=20
  7. Videos can be stored.=20
  8. Polls can be run.=20
  9. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderat= ors to=20 speed up the process)=20
  10. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstance= s.=20
  11. Spam messages can be filtered
  12. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc)= =20
The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot=20= understand why the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems thi= s=20 week it is surely time.

To set up a new Yahoo group called=20 "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would take about 30 seconds and migration= to=20 it by all interested members here would take about a day at most. All y= ou=20 need is to agree a group name, who owns it, who can moderate posts and= =20 some basic group ground rules/FAQs.

Please, think about it agai= n.=20

73s
Roger G3XBM

--
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http:/= /www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
htt= p://qss2.blogspot.com/

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Ken Ha ha Stefan, how good is your Integration Ken? Here are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do with A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the max permitted gate voltage for the FET is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp helps. B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in the drain circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although the output wave will be surprisingly clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily know all the starting parameters and in any case the result is going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key. These amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks! The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency and high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twice that into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.222 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 567a11ac6cfe1e88f3054745c06178fe Subject: LF: Class E etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-2029570276-1339438549=:67345" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:476527552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d018.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174fd636415565 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-2029570276-1339438549=:67345 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=0AHi Ken =0A=A0=0AHa ha Stefan, how good is=A0your Integration Ken?=0A= =A0=0AHere are a couple of sites that should answer your questions. You nee= d a good dummy load and a good oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the= amplifier is to do with=A0 A/ the correct driver preferably using a FET dr= ive chip (like TC4422 non and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET full= y=A0on and fully off on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate=A0on = off timing (mark / space). Ensuring the=A0max permitted gate voltage for th= e FET=A0is not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diod= e clamp helps.=A0 B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance=A0in the = drain=A0circuit can be done empirically See article below. Then follow it w= ith=A0a=A0low pass filter, although the output wave will be surprisingly cl= ean.=A0Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily know al= l the starting=A0parameters and in any case=A0the result is=A0going to wide= of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values. Best to use '= Scope measurements to set the output conditions. You are looking for fast, very = fast On / Off rise times. Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is= the key.=0AThese amplifiers are capable of incredibly good efficiency well= above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissipation from the FET is= very low at high power=A0giving cool heat-sinks!=0A=A0=0AThe GW3UEP (do a = web search) single ended design is capable good efficiency=A0and high power= depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I have modified one = to run reliably at 140watts and is capable of almost twice that into a dumm= y load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and C empirically = using the 'scope to get the correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is = the way to go. The article below shows you what you are looking for. I set = my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy load adjusting L and C to get the correct drai= n wave shape on the 'scope then measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy= load.=A0I then transfer my=A0connector from the Dummy load to the input of= the tuned transformer in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coupling link t= o give the same peak voltage=A0across the tuner link turns. You are not loo= king for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy load indicating a = 50ohm match.=A0This is done by either=A0adding or reducing=A0the number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing the t= he transformer to resonance by measuring the peak=A0up-lead current, here y= ou are looking for the maximum peak.=A0=A0=0A=A0=0AOh yes and WIMA high vol= tage high value capacitors from Maplin work well.=0A=A0=0ARead the articles= and search info on class E amplifiers.=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0AFor some bed time = reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Procedure and the pictures at= the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/A= IIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-poweramps.pdf=0A=A0=0AFor design ideas=0Ahtt= p://www.classeradio.com/=0A=A0=0AFor a good practical circuit for a single = ended amp=A0that =A0is a scalable surefire design, no need to reinvent the = wheel.=0Ahttp://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/=0A=A0=0AFor antennas and antenna feed= methods a "look no where else site" =0Ahttp://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/= =0A=A0=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX ---176341844-2029570276-1339438549=:67345 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
= Hi Ken
=
 
Ha ha Stefan, how good= is your Integration Ken?
=  
Here are a couple of sit= es that should answer your questions. You need a good dummy load and a good= oscilloscope. Setting the conditions for the amplifier is to do with = A/ the correct driver=0A preferably using a FET drive chip (like TC4422 no= n and TC4421 inverting) that will turn the FET fully on and fully off = on each cycle. Very fast rise time with accurate on off timing (mark /= space). Ensuring the max=0A permitted gate voltage for the FET i= s not exceeded otherwise they pop, look out for transients, a diode clamp h= elps.  B/ Setting the shunt capacitance and inductance in the dra= in circuit can be done empirically S= ee article below. Then follow it with a low pass filter, although= the output=0A wave will be surprisingly = clean. Calculating the values is difficult as you don't necessarily kn= ow all the starting parameters and in any case the result is = ;going to wide of the mark. The site below will gives some starting values.= Best to use 'Scope measurements to set the= output conditions. You are looking for fast, very fast On / Off rise times= . Gate drive and understanding the drain circuit is the key.
These amplifiers are capable of incredibly= good efficiency well above a dodgy class C amp. This means the heat dissip= ation from the FET is very low at high power giving cool heat-sinks<= /span>!
=  
<= div id=3D"yiv1491679897yui_3_2_0_17_133936297646699">The GW3UEP (do a web search) single ended = design is capable good efficiency and= high power depending upon the FET used and Drain supply voltage. I have mo= dified one to run reliably at 140watts=0A and is capable of almost twice th= at into a dummy load with a heat sink that is fairly cool. Adjusting L and = C empirically using the 'scope to get the = correct drain wave shape for max efficiency is the way to go. The article b= elow shows you what you are looking for. I set my TX up into a 50 Ohm dummy= load adjusting L and C to get the correct drain wave shape on the 'scope t= hen measuring the peak voltage across the Dummy load. I then transfer = my connector from the Dummy load to the input of the tuned transformer= in the antenna up-lead. I adjust the coup= ling link to give the same peak voltage across the tuner link turns. Y= ou are not looking for maximum peak just the sames as across the dummy load= indicating a 50ohm match. This is=0A done by either adding=0A or= reducing the number of turns (about two turns) along with bringing th= e the transformer to resonance by measuring the peak up-lead current, here you are looking for the maximum peak.=   
 
Oh yes an= d WIMA high voltage high value capacitors from M<= /var>aplin work well.
 
= Read the articles and search info on class E=0A amplifiers. 
 
 
<= span>For some bed time reading but ignor the math look at the Tuning Proced= ure and the pictures at the end which tell it all really..... http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~culler/AIIT/papers/radio/Sokal%20AACD5-pow= eramps.pdf
 
For design id= eas
 
= For a good practica= l circuit for a single ended amp that  is a sc= alable surefire=0A design, no need to=0A reinvent the=0A whee= l.
 
For antennas and antenna feed methods a "look no where else= site"
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
---176341844-2029570276-1339438549=:67345-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E69D1380000BF; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SggIE-00017H-RA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:03:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SggIE-000178-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:03:14 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SggIB-00067P-81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:03:13 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 6A1F7128046.AC613 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-1e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.33]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1F7128046 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:03:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB2.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub2.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D9C44048 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:03:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB2.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::8559:ca7c:e195:e15d%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:03:00 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: 475kHz grabber Thread-Index: AQHNTXyYaQJO6hV/C0mXnK3xOS7EOA== Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:02:59 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB10AA@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.13] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: On request of Marco, DD7PC, I am running a grabber on 475kHz (474.95-475.05): http://www.strobbe.eu/argo/ The grabber may be interrupted for a QSO. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Stefan Schäfer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2012 16:03 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Further MF impressions [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: LF: 475kHz grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440224800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fdf6da211b8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none On request of Marco, DD7PC, I am running a grabber on 475kHz (474.95-475.05= ): http://www.strobbe.eu/argo/ The grabber may be interrupted for a QSO. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: zondag 17 juni 2012 16:03 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Further MF impressions MF, I just thought my receiver isn't working correctly. I thought the xtal does not start to oscillate due to the higher ambient temperatures in the afternoon. But later i found that the band noise on MF is significantly lower than in the evening, at least 20 dB. So now i see that the band noise is about 5 dB above my soundcard noise with the current setup. What do others know about the ground wave range in summer and in the afternoon? When does the band open? Similar to LF? BTW thanks to DF6NM for the grabber. Nice tool to get some experience in these first days... 73, Stefan/DK7FC= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A174038000121; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjYqf-0006T9-Mo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjYqf-0006T0-4C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:41 +0100 Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjYqd-0008AO-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:40 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.50] by nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2012 16:42:38 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.237] by tm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2012 16:42:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2012 16:42:38 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 277504.96194.bm@omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 17822 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2012 16:42:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340728957; bh=Xrb/yb8qgU6et74Ah8W7LGRABXw8lflZizwTGNlhn7A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wMnMkUHHi4Ahu6jz02aBI4ZvLENzbNtOEVIZqZbtUBedKoOovchPIX5y2Kbxd/EED81THR17WGy3Vg3FAKG4c60OuBATOxa+tV9M6FRQq/QJ7YNBh3uqHCVTuE7Y6CDZ6rxZ7pFfWfO9AFJbvihZ6mVD7m3V/vD5CuulIun9AAY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NoBfP0CNkEUeb2mjIQBVJJ24Ne8pTz5RXeB5IEzuBPqkvEsDsHLI6EE+w9RzYIzQq5IgBqnf7Gr8CPkVADQvdeoFNE007CgR0O27j04uDx5mQ3y0IPNm6JCTh407AiT/y1NcixFfT21jb5Syx7yqdSqZ8XW48h1YGuPvNq6rJ2Y=; X-YMail-OSG: MOPA04AVM1mjyknV9_cwptZOh2HokNRigFPMtxna0u.J5.O nKaS1y.Z2cdMix_6NKSS0kNCz9YnQPPQ_gqBOE2LD2a5oSXgZpKIUVbbb3hf ujpSgof3Gc21EnIr7DIqdvxJmPzs5TgFlwaUzVDKI53FWBUIfdW6lkx1HzWI E2AAz6TYVD4sYU6cIwxBH9n6VZ0KHQ_To9dWIi1i4R8tgmP2ohM6A4qyciEY f_CK3wyKO8OQ_vlPOlpY8vPBF3uHfntV7qsCPDaZEXLPxRrfTpBEvnHll0Uq Yxas8ttySniq6yWXocjA3XpOdhouZuT15yD5fXak9q8UhDRDU55T7DOmBUQW AVY4WlRyS1i05QQSK42ttpTsh1rJYMq853E_hi7Bq.EKRB4jdXSBpLFTkXwn .kSm2U1yPSCmMLUaxgsNuBmxT7GjAKMMWXmIhSaDVaZoNesj.44Ii2w-- Received: from [86.164.61.75] by web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <002801cd536e$76b08400$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <172D1CB5F32F43A790DBC99A73F73D59@AGB> Message-ID: <1340728957.15592.YahooMailNeo@web171601.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:42:37 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <172D1CB5F32F43A790DBC99A73F73D59@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on the plate in the good old days. After all its just the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with audio in a nonlinear device like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess you would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and using considerably less power over all. Class E an all. [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 3d0ae5b4ae8b74dc4bf5c1dbe3fef430 Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-1785466553-1340728957=:15592" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:443198592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d268.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fe9e6be5e45 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-1785466553-1340728957=:15592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Graham when I were a Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00= amplitude modulated on the plate=A0in the good old days. After all its jus= t the product of mixing two frequencies 432 with=A0audio in a nonlinear dev= ice like a Class C amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess yo= u would PWM the carrier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and = using considerably less power over all. Class E an all.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Tuesday, 2= 6 June 2012, 17:09=0ASubject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS=0A =0A=0A =0ASteady on Ma= l !=A0=A0 this=A0 is getting=A0 technical=A0 =0A!" =0A=0AYour=A0 right=A0 ,= FM has a=A0 cut off=A0 point=A0 , =0Awhere=A0 demodulation fails=A0 and=A0= also=A0 a=A0 capture=A0 =0Aeffect , where the=A0 stronger of=A0 2 signals= =A0 will=A0 =0Aacquire=A0 and=A0 hold the=A0 demodulator ..always=A0=A0 =0A= fun=A0 on 2=A0 mtrs=A0=A0 when a=A0 mobile=A0 suddenly=A0 =0Atakes=A0 the= =A0 channel =0A=0AAm=A0 has no=A0 cut off=A0 point , but=A0 gradual=A0 =0A= degradation=A0 until the=A0 recovered=A0 audio=A0 is no=A0 longer =0Ausable= =A0 ......eg, =A0mcw=A0 would=A0 readable=A0 much=A0 =0Alower=A0 than=A0 AM= speech =0A=0AI think=A0 much over=A0 250/300 MHz=A0=A0 its=A0 =0Aactually= =A0 not=A0 possible to=A0 produce=A0 AM=A0 , could =0Abe=A0 wrong=A0 , but= =A0 there is a=A0 limit=A0 , may=A0=A0 =0Abe=A0 by=A0 high=A0 level=A0 modu= lation falls over , dont=A0 =0Asee=A0 why=A0 could=A0 not=A0 be=A0 via=A0 t= ransverting=A0 =0A....... =0A=0AG..=0A =0AFrom: mal hamilton =0ASent: Tue= sday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM =0ATo: rsgb =0ASubject: LF: A/G FREQS =0A =0AA= s stated Air/Ground vhf/uhf is AM and =0Asimplex=A0working. =A0I have also = noticed a well modulated AM transmitter =0Ais more potent than a FM transmi= tter when working at max range. On AM the RX =0Abandwidth can be opened up = to receive several stations simultaneously then =0Aselect the one of intere= st by closing down the selectivity, the same applies on =0ACW. =A0On FM if = you tried this the=A0transmission would fall into a black =0Ahole, in other= words the=A0FM rx has to be tailored to the =0Aexact=A0bandwidth of the tr= ansmission (same deviation value) =0Ag3kev ---1613889061-1785466553-1340728957=:15592 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well Graham when I were a= Jate we only had one xtal and a QQV02-6 on 432.00 amplitude modulated on t= he plate in the good old days. After all its just the product of mixin= g two frequencies 432 with audio in a nonlinear device like a Class C = amp works from almost DC to light!. Nowerdays I guess you would PWM the car= rier on the PA gate/ base producing the same effect and using considerably = less power over all. Class E an all.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91= UX
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From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Sent: Tuesday= , 26 June 2012, 17:09
Subject: Re: LF: A/G FREQS

=0A=0A =0A =0A<= style>=0A=0A
=0A
Steady on Mal !   this  is = getting  technical  =0A!"
=0A
 
=0A
Your&n= bsp; right  , FM has a  cut off  point  , =0Awhere = ; demodulation fails  and  also  a  capture  =0Aef= fect , where the  stronger of  2 signals  will  =0Aacqu= ire  and  hold the  demodulator ..always   =0Afun&= nbsp; on 2  mtrs   when a  mobile  suddenly  = =0Atakes  the  channel
=0A
 
=0A
Am = has no  cut off  point , but  gradual  =0Adegradation&= nbsp; until the  recovered  audio  is no  longer =0Ausa= ble  ......eg,  mcw  would  readable  much  = =0Alower  than  AM speech
=0A
 
=0A
I thi= nk  much over  250/300 MHz   its  =0Aactually = ; not  possible to  produce  AM  , could =0Abe  wr= ong  , but  there is a  limit  , may   =0Abe&= nbsp; by  high  level  modulation falls over , dont  = =0Asee  why  could  not  be  via  transvertin= g  =0A.......
=0A
 
=0A
G..
=0A
=0A
=0A=0A
S= ent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:36 AM
=0A
To: rsgb
=0A
Subject: LF: A/G FREQS
=0A

=0A
As stated Air/Ground vhf= /uhf is AM and =0Asimplex working.  I have also noticed a well mo= dulated AM transmitter =0Ais more potent than a FM transmitter when working= at max range. On AM the RX =0Abandwidth can be opened up to receive severa= l stations simultaneously then =0Aselect the one of interest by closing dow= n the selectivity, the same applies on =0ACW.  On FM if you tried this= the transmission would fall into a black =0Ahole, in other words the&= nbsp;FM rx has to be tailored to the =0Aexact bandwidth of the transmi= ssion (same deviation value)
=0A
g3kev=
=0A
 
=0A


= ---1613889061-1785466553-1340728957=:15592-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5E20D3800008F; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScbeF-0001Wk-R8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:17:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScbeF-0001Wb-BV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:17:07 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.laposte.net ([193.253.67.230] helo=smtpout.laposte.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScbeD-0001We-C3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:17:06 +0100 Received: from wwinf8307 ([10.99.54.222]) by mwinf8509-out with ME id KQH41j0044nfl4A03QH4ck; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:17:04 +0200 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:17:04 +0200 From: "manginbenoit.pro" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <1608727203.579919.1339071424127.JavaMail.www@wwinf8307> In-Reply-To: <4FD0999E.3080206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> <4FD0999E.3080206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [82.246.206.85] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP. My "reasonable" setup indicates me that triple that value could be necessary... CU there [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [193.253.67.230 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (manginbenoit.pro[at]laposte.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c0e6e8bcdc231effb9da2003d606d9a2 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_579918_687132046.1339071424124" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:392159616:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4fd09bf40ddd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_Part_579918_687132046.1339071424124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP. My "reasonable" setup indicates me that triple that value could be necessar= y... CU there Ben > Message du 07/06/12 14:12 > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > I only heared some rumours about the permission starting January, 1st,=20 > 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is given out on the= =20 > Ham Radio 2012 (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php)= =20 > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more realistic. >=20 > Time to build a suitable loading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH=20 > only... >=20 > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > > Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles)=20 > > granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ? > > > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our=20 > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. > > > > 73 > > > > Ben >=20 >=20 Une messagerie gratuite, garantie =C3=A0 vie et des services en plus, =C3= =A7a vous tente ? Je cr=C3=A9e ma bo=C3=AEte mail www.laposte.net ------=_Part_579918_687132046.1339071424124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP.
My "reasonable" setup indicates me that  triple = that value could be necessary...

CU there

Ben

> Message du 07/06/12 14:12
> De : &quo= t;Stefan Schäfer"
> A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Copie à :
> Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
&g= t;
> I only heared some rumours about the permission starting Janua= ry, 1st,
> 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is= given out on the
> Ham Radio 2012 (http://www.hamradio-friedrichs= hafen.de/ham-en/index.php)
> , which would be in 3 weeks! But i gu= ess 2013 is more realistic.
>
> Time to build a suitable l= oading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH
> only...
> <= br />> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
> Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrie= b manginbenoit.pro:
> > Are there other EU countries (apart from= the British Isles)
> > granting MF access to the amateur servi= ce so fast ?
> >
> > We in France still did not hear = even the smallest whisper from our
> > tutelage administration.= Or maybe am I not well informed.
> >
> > 73
>= ; >
> > Ben
>
>
------=_Part_579918_687132046.1339071424124-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5794C38000083; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SikDn-0005Ii-Dr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SikDn-0005IZ-01 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:11 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SikDl-0001SV-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:09 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5OAd8SN028742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:39:08 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5OAd8Mg002406 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:39:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE6EDDD.50606@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:37:17 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000501cd518a$82a74770$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1340515657.188389636@f224.mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <1340515657.188389636@f224.mail.ru> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alex, Thanks for the reports. Is it your summer location like last year? The QRN levels are quite high these days. 73, Stefan Am 24.06.2012 07:27, schrieb Alex K: > Hello Mal, LF! > It is the first time of summer reception of UK LF station for me, > thank you Mal. > Also rcvd DK7FC. > 73 de rn3aus/Alex > > Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:52:39 -0000 от "mal hamilton" : > > LF > Making it to the Moscow grabber on 136.173 Khz around 2130 > utc KEV > QRS 30 > Now QRT > de g3kev > > [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 39d0aa3a8a50eef73e9de70bcfcadb32 Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF: Emailing: EU (2) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060804040607050601090803" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470712640:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4fe6ee9f7916 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060804040607050601090803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5OAd8SN028742 Hi Alex, Thanks for the reports. Is it your summer location like last year? The QRN levels are quite high=20 these days. 73, Stefan Am 24.06.2012 07:27, schrieb Alex K: > Hello Mal, LF! > It is the first time of summer reception of UK LF station for me,=20 > thank you Mal. > Also rcvd DK7FC. > 73 de rn3aus/Alex > > Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:52:39 -0000 =D0=BE=D1=82 "mal hamilton" : > > LF > Making it to the Moscow grabber on 136.173 Khz around 2130 > utc KEV > QRS 30 > Now QRT > de g3kev > > --------------060804040607050601090803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5OAd8SN028742 Hi Alex,

Thanks for the reports.
Is it your summer location like last year? The QRN levels are quite high these days.
73, Stefan



Am 24.06.2012 07:27, schrieb Alex K:
= Hello Mal, LF!
It is the first time of summer reception of UK LF station for me, thank you Mal.
Also rcvd DK7FC.
73 de rn3aus/Alex

Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:52:39 -0000 =D0=BE=D1=82 "mal hamilton" = <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
LF
Making it to the Moscow grabber on 136.173 Khz=C2=A0around 2130 utc=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0KEV
QRS 30
Now QRT
de g3kev
=C2=A0

--------------060804040607050601090803-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 087C8380000AB; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkKGO-00080m-KL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:20:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkKGO-00080d-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:20:24 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkKGM-0005HV-Kn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:20:23 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.30.111]) by mwinf5d68 with ME id TvLH1j00V2PqlUa03vLHL0; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:20:21 +0200 Message-ID: <233C8A8FA9234F7BAA7D8A1505198AA4@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000901cd5561$92ff83a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000901cd5561$92ff83a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:20:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120628-0, 28/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Bit of Lemon Pledge ? From: mal hamilton Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:09 PM To: rsgb Subject: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Pete es co The 500 Khz rig that I built in a couple of hours. Components from the junk box. The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of transistors. Class E single ended one FET. At the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an exciter, a couple of diodes to SQ the sinewave. The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic ex TU7B tuning unit. I put a good signal into the USA es Canada es Moscow with this transmitter on CW. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 138e3b341e0543401afa7e97ee054540 Subject: Re: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD556B.6EAB15A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:462077056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ca4fecaeab197e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD556B.6EAB15A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bit of Lemon Pledge ? From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:09 PM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: Emailing: malk 107 Pete es co The 500 Khz rig that I built in a couple of hours. Components from the = junk box. The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of = transistors. Class E single ended one FET. At the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an exciter, = a couple of diodes to SQ the sinewave. The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic ex TU7B tuning unit. I put a good signal into the USA es Canada es Moscow with this = transmitter on CW.=20 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD556B.6EAB15A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bit  of  Lemon Pledge  ?
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:09 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: Emailing: malk 107

Pete es co
The 500 Khz rig that I built in a  couple of hours. Components = from=20 the junk box. The FET driver in this case was a complimentary pair of=20 transistors.
Class E single ended one FET.
At the start I used a xtal osc then changed to the IC706 as an = exciter, a=20 couple of diodes to SQ the sinewave.
The tank cct inductor is an old WW2 ceramic ex TU7B tuning = unit.
I put a good signal into the USA es Canada es Moscow with=20 this transmitter on CW.
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CD556B.6EAB15A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DD00338000088; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjJEK-00038s-Cx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:02:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjJEJ-00038j-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:02:03 +0100 Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjJEH-0000Vc-JL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:02:02 +0100 Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id So171j0051vXlb858o20Wt; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:02:00 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([71.234.119.9]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id So201j02P0CFS1j3do21WG; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:02:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000801cd532e$e849bcc0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <4FE8F6FE.4030409@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:01:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Will be watching. Lots of static with storms south and east http://thunderstorm.vaisala.com/explorer.html . Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 [...] Content analysis details: (0.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497047968:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4fe8fc301b2f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan Will be watching. Lots of static with storms south and east http://thunderstorm.vaisala.com/explorer.html . Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 7:40 PM Subject: LF: Beacon to the west (and to everywhere!) > LF! > > Once again, braving the summer hole, i'm transmitting over night on 136.172 kHz in DFCW-90. Still > hoping to leave some traces in that mode in YV. The days become longer here again now! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6D50C38000085; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SaizI-0005gi-PE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 08:43:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SaizI-0005gZ-0s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 08:43:04 +0100 Received: from mout6.freenet.de ([195.4.92.96]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (UNKNOWN:AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SaizG-0004ZP-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 08:43:02 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.140] (helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mout6.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SaizF-0005lX-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:43:01 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:56486 helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SaizF-0003kc-11 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:43:01 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.20] (port=57748 helo=10.mx.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Saix2-0003IA-LO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:40:44 +0200 Received: from blfd-4d08865e.pool.mediaways.net ([77.8.134.94]:3554 helo=[192.168.178.22]) by 10.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Saix2-0005xH-BR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:40:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4FC9C37B.10501@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:40:43 +0200 From: wolf_dl4yhf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7F143.7080106@psk31.plus.com> <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> In-Reply-To: <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Peter, At the moment multiple running instances of SL don't "talk to each other" about the sample rate, even if they use the same audio device for input. In future versions, it will be possible to have the first instance running as 'master', providing a resampled(!) audio stream for all other instances. Those 'slave'-instances don't connect directly to the soundcard, but to the first running instance. I am not sure about how to connect the instances yet (via shared memory, or -even better- via TCP/IP so the slaves could run on physically different PCs if necessary). [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.4.92.96 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dl4yhf[at]freenet.de) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:424561088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fc9c4606aee X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Peter, At the moment multiple running instances of SL don't "talk to each other" about the sample rate, even if they use the same audio device for input. In future versions, it will be possible to have the first instance running as 'master', providing a resampled(!) audio stream for all other instances. Those 'slave'-instances don't connect directly to the soundcard, but to the first running instance. I am not sure about how to connect the instances yet (via shared memory, or -even better- via TCP/IP so the slaves could run on physically different PCs if necessary). All the best, Wolf . Am 01.06.2012 20:50, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: > Hello... > > I was wondering the following: > > I have here 4x Spectrum Lab task running at one PC to serve my SUB9KHz > grabber page at www.qsl.net/pa1sdb > I use that Sampling Rate detector in all 4 Spectrum Lab tasks. > Is that OK, or need I only one Sampling Rate detector that callibrates > the other 3 tasks to ? > (one master - 3 clients without that SR cal active) > > 73's Peter - PA1SDB > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 33FC6380000AB; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 04:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgAdp-00059D-02 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:15:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgAdo-000594-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:15:24 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgAdm-0005sl-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:15:23 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAOOR3U9cF/9d/2dsb2JhbABFtVOBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh34HqiWNKwSLOIMggxsDiA+FNJdegmA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,425,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="395100508" Received: from host-92-23-255-93.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.255.93]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Jun 2012 09:15:21 +0100 Message-ID: <004301cd4c61$533eb690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001d01cd4c11$9533fe20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FDD1802.1050203@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:15:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Good recording and signal vy clear with QRN as well but this is normal during summer on MF. Professional Operators get used to it. I had the same static this end during the QSO. 73 agn es tnx qso de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.237 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e6360f34ef88d0e1db765f70efb2bfe9 Subject: Re: LF: qso dk7fc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4C61.530CAA10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:480434816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a4fdd925315d9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4C61.530CAA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan Good recording and signal vy clear with QRN as well but this is normal = during summer on MF. Professional Operators get used to it. I had the same static this end during the QSO. 73 agn es tnx qso de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:34 PM Subject: Re: LF: qso dk7fc Mal,=20 Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the first moment. I just didn't = know that you are calling on 501... Am 17.06.2012 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan At last a QSO hi.=20 Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the 579 report. I cfm u were = 569 solid copy with heavy QRN on the band. Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as long as the signals are still = perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of amateur radio, all missed = in QRSS... BTW: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/G3KEV.WAV (10MB, the mp3 = converter does not work soemhow) Just have it in mind when you talk = about my ears... Ah and BTW the reception was done by using a micro = antenna, an active E field antenna that was hold out of the window, just = 1 meter. The probe is a short variable length antenna from a UKW radio = (allows experimenting with different probe length..) At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. Glad to be your first = CW QSO on MF ...the first UK stn. The first ever was PA3ABK. 73 es gl de mal/g3kev 73, QRQ, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4C61.530CAA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
Good recording and signal vy clear with QRN as = well but=20 this is normal during summer on MF. Professional Operators get used to=20 it.
I had the same static this end during the=20 QSO.
73 agn es tnx qso de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 = 11:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: qso = dk7fc

Mal,

Tnx for QSO. There was solid copy from the = first=20 moment. I just didn't know that you are calling on 501...

Am = 17.06.2012=20 00:44, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
Stefan
At last a QSO hi.
Tnx for the QSO a few minutes ago and the = 579 report.=20 I cfm u were 569 solid copy with heavy QRN on the=20 band.
Yes, massive QRN. But i like QRN as = long as the=20 signals are still perfect copy! That makes a exciting feeling of = amateur=20 radio, all missed in QRSS...

BTW:  https://dl.dropbo= x.com/u/19882028/MF/G3KEV.WAV =20 (10MB, the mp3 converter does not work soemhow) Just have it in mind = when you=20 talk about my ears... Ah and BTW the reception was done by using a = micro=20 antenna, an active E field antenna that was hold out of the window, = just 1=20 meter. The probe is a short variable length antenna from a UKW radio = (allows=20 experimenting with different probe length..)


At the end you peaked up to 579 good signal. = Glad to=20 be your first CW QSO on MF
...the first UK = stn. The=20 first ever was PA3ABK.

73 es gl de mal/g3kev
 

73, QRQ,=20 Stefan/DK7FC
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD4C61.530CAA10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6B0F238000097; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShU8f-0005Os-M2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:16:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShU8f-0005Oj-1D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:16:41 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShU8c-0007U1-64 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:16:39 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAIBY4k9cHYOW/2dsb2JhbAArGoJFgxOaKQOVUoEIghMFAQEEAQgBAQMWJg0CJgYBAQMFAgEBAhEEAQEKIQICFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBCgSHXgMGCQcppkmTHopLY4UJgRIDjUiSZAOEfIJf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,447,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="376482140" Received: from host-92-29-131-150.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.131.150]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2012 00:16:35 +0100 Message-ID: <002501cd4f3a$bb772ea0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4FE0ED02.4080903@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4FE0EF87.8060905@kpnmail.nl> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB195C@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <4FE0F907.4070009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FE1DDB5.7000204@toya.net.pl> <4FE20B0A.50101@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340217626.26536.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:16:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Not long. Heard the Lira was making a comeback in Italy. Your £5 stick costs 3,784,227 Lira also in some parts of Ireland they are using the Punt again in some shops. I have found on holidays in EU they like the US$ and the British £ and give a good rate of exchange. I might try one of the TV digi sticks, which is the best brand de mal/g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (0.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.240 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 5624f0ff3acda0934438723229c028ec Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4F3A.BB3DF630" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444137600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884fe25a0e0aca X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4F3A.BB3DF630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not long. Heard the Lira was making a comeback in Italy. Your =C2=A35 = stick costs 3,784,227 Lira also in some parts of Ireland they are using = the Punt again in some shops.=20 I have found on holidays in EU they like the US$ and the British =C2=A3 = and give a good rate of exchange.=20 I might try one of the TV digi sticks, which is the best brand de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app and = ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 = (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from = UK source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter = 60meg O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator = 5v into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no = sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the = USB supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 = http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR = software is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the = programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting = software for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to = get started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of www.rfspace.com you will also find a link to = sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time = to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01CD4F3A.BB3DF630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Not long. Heard the Lira was making a comeback = in Italy.=20 Your =C2=A35 stick costs 3,784,227 Lira also in some parts of Ireland = they are using=20 the Punt again in some shops.
I have found on holidays in EU they like the US$ = and the=20 British =C2=A3 and give a good rate of exchange.
I might try one of the TV digi sticks, which is = the best=20 brand
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 = 6:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SDR = programs

Hi=20 all
Save=20 those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they will = be around. Try=20 HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s  BorIP=20 app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultra-cheap=20 Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) DVB-T USB = stick.
These=20 DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK = source and cover about=20 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the cheap way = or=20 expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or similar = block=20 mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to UHF = coverage=20 for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.=20
Oh=20 and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with=20 record facility and all your local Digital radio and if that=E2=80=99s = not enough all=20 your local FM BC as well.  Not a=20 lot of people know that!
URLs=20 apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
https://= www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6dd= o/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You=20 won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. = :0)
Yy=20 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, = 20 June=20 2012, 18:40
Subject: Re: LF:=20 SDR programs

Hi Piotr,

Thanks for the = overview of=20 programs. That's what i searched for.
But maybe i have expressed = wrongly=20 what i need. I assumed a SDR software is also for a mono input, not = only for=20 IQ inputs. Are the programs you're referring on usable for both, IQ = and=20 mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus = :-) )=20 answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i=20 think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi Stefan, = LF
>=20
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The primary = supporting=20 software for all their sdr  hardware is Spectravue.
> you = can=20 download this program from the rfspace site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult=20 to get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it = you will=20 like it:)
>
> on a "support" page of = www.rfspace.com  you=20 will also find a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
>
>  = they have a=20 very powerful radio console which looks like a regular transceiver = front=20 side
>  It has many many different options - of course, it = does=20 take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather = easy..
>=20
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and=20 easy to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr = software=20 supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of = sdr=20 programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                  =  =20                     =  =20                     =  =20         yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: = Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
>
>=20



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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham  OK a subtle point AM is a "Transparent" mode FM is a "Capture" mode and as such not suitable for AC use where simultaneous transmission can block calls. Small random offsets in carrier frequency cause hetrodynes that alert ATC of the presents of a weaker call. Nothing in Marine is ever that immediate so I guess it was expedient to opt for the El-Cheapo FM solution there can be no other reason. Probably a bunch of Civil Servants were conned into believing AM stood for Ancient Modulation.  You are right there are lot of extras that could be added to SDR software and perfectly feasible we just need to learn to programme and add all the goodies we think are needed or find a friendly software jockey to do it for us...... hee!  As far as up converters go the ubiquitous chip is the multiplex FST3253 used in Softrock and other well known up-converters for RX and TX switched with a 90 degree phase shift LO from a pair of 7474 flip flops is the basis for most current SDR detectors or TX mixers. There are now relatively cheap A/D converters which give a wider BW than the are currently available Sound Card solution. And now its all being integrated onto a single IC so your comment earlier about a USB stick TX is with us. It just needs a mass market for the price to come right down and I guess it comes through the Mobile Phone market.  Big bang doesn't frighten me all bottles here matey retro shack thermionic not thermonuclear.  You'll be telling me next that the Moons gravity bends light ergo radio waves?  It's late!!!   73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.216 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: b3b0f15d0cbaee08765b7bacd0352512 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-1868787260-1340669298=:70238" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486410112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m244.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fe8fda6293e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-1868787260-1340669298=:70238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham=0A=C2=A0=0AOK a subtle point AM is a "Transparent" mode FM is a "= Capture" mode and as such not suitable for AC use where simultaneous transm= ission can block calls. Small random offsets in carrier frequency cause het= rodynes=C2=A0that alert ATC of the presents of a weaker call. Nothing in Ma= rine is ever that immediate so I guess it was expedient to opt for the El-C= heapo FM solution there can be no other reason. Probably a bunch of Civil S= ervants were conned into believing AM stood for Ancient Modulation.=0A=C2= =A0=0AYou are right there are lot of extras that could be added to SDR soft= ware and perfectly feasible we just need to learn to programme and add all = the goodies we think are needed or find a friendly software jockey to do it= for us...... hee!=0A=C2=A0=0AAs far as up converters go the ubiquitous chi= p is the multiplex FST3253 used in Softrock and other well known up-convert= ers for RX and TX switched with a 90 degree phase shift LO=C2=A0from a pair= of 7474 flip flops is the basis for most current SDR detectors or TX mixer= s. There are now relatively cheap A/D converters which give a wider BW than= the are currently available Sound Card solution. And now its all being int= egrated onto a single IC so your comment earlier about a USB stick TX is wi= th us. It just needs a mass market for the price to=C2=A0come right down an= d=C2=A0I guess it comes through the Mobile Phone market.=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AB= ig bang doesn't frighten me all bottles here matey retro shack thermionic n= ot thermonuclear.=0A=C2=A0=0AYou'll be telling me next that the Moons gravi= ty bends light ergo radio waves?=0A=C2=A0=0AIt's late!!!=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0= =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A F= rom: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 23:38=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A = =0A=0AR Pete =0A=0AAhh=C2=A0=C2=A0 By=C2=A0 split=C2=A0, I mean the=C2=A0 = anti-jam=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0Ain channel=C2=A0 split=C2=A0 , When=C2=A0 on the=C2= =A0 same=C2=A0 frequency, =0Athe=C2=A0 ground=C2=A0 TX=C2=A0 (used tobe ?)= =C2=A0=C2=A0 off=C2=A0 set=C2=A0 =0Afrom the=C2=A0 aircraft=C2=A0 Tx=C2=A0 = frequency=C2=A0=C2=A0, so=C2=A0 if =0Athe=C2=A0 Aircraft TX jammed=C2=A0 'O= N' then=C2=A0 other=C2=A0 aircraft=C2=A0 =0Acould=C2=A0 still=C2=A0 receive= =C2=A0 the=C2=A0 ground =C2=A0 , that=C2=A0 =0Awas=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 reason= =C2=A0 for=C2=A0 wide=C2=A0 IF pass=C2=A0 bands =0Aand=C2=A0 keeping=C2=A0 = to AM=C2=A0 for the=C2=A0 comm.'s ....=C2=A0 =0AMarine=C2=A0 coms=C2=A0 , a= dopted=C2=A0 FM ... =0A=0AThere is a=C2=A0 afc=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 cw =0A=0A= =0AOT ?=C2=A0 over the=C2=A0 top=C2=A0 more like ,=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 disclaim= er =0Aon the=C2=A0 yab-a-dab-a-doo=C2=A0 group=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is bigger=C2=A0= than =0Athe=C2=A0 space=C2=A0 left=C2=A0 for the=C2=A0 messages , I think = the=C2=A0 =0Aname=C2=A0 Black-Sheep=C2=A0 seems=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 be=C2=A0 qui= te=C2=A0 apt=C2=A0 =0Anow=C2=A0 !, =0A=0ABig-bang=C2=A0 , according=C2=A0 = to=C2=A0 my=C2=A0 arrl=C2=A0 hand=C2=A0 =0Abook , HF communications=C2=A0 w= ill=C2=A0 tend to=C2=A0 be=C2=A0 =0Aattenuated=C2=A0 in the=C2=A0 direction= =C2=A0 of the=C2=A0 burst=C2=A0 , =0Aassume=C2=A0 by=C2=A0 producing=C2=A0 = quite=C2=A0 a big=C2=A0 =0AFariday=C2=A0=C2=A0 screen , also=C2=A0 recommen= ds=C2=A0 you=C2=A0 keep=C2=A0 =0Ayour=C2=A0 radio=C2=A0 in a=C2=A0 metal=C2= =A0 sweet tin ala=C2=A0=C2=A0 blue =0Apeter=C2=A0 garden !=C2=A0 =0A=0ADid= =C2=A0 get=C2=A0 good=C2=A0 signals=C2=A0 on the=C2=A0 MW on the=C2=A0 =0Aw= ay=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 work=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 France=C2=A0 during=C2=A0 the=C2=A0= =0Aeclipse some=C2=A0 time=C2=A0 ago=C2=A0 , due to the=C2=A0 lack=C2=A0 o= f=C2=A0 =0Aionisation =0A=0AG.. =0A=0A=0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Monday,= June 25, 2012 10:02 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re= : LF: SDR programs =0A =0AHi Graham =0A=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0 =0A............ to = monitor off frequency nets and the tower/aircraft =0Asplit............... ?= there is no split frequency working the Tower and =0AA/C both use the=C2= =A0same QRG its just that the A/C being at altitude=C2=A0can =0Abe heard th= e Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can not be =0Aheard........= if thats what you ment. =0A=C2=A0 =0AI use the say (A) LO for Approach and= then say (B)=C2=A0LO for Tower =0Aso when the hand over from Approach to T= ower occures I merely click the =0Aappropriate LO=C2=A0A or B. Usually a 3 = to 4 meg shift, well it is at Luton AP =0Aanyway. =0A=C2=A0 =0ASorry wrong = end of the spectrum for this reflector........ just as =0Awell the RSGB att= ention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be getting our =0Akeying fin= gers rapped!!!!!!=0A =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________= ________________=0AFrom: Graham =0A=0ATo: rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A21:19=0ASubject: Re:= LF: SDR =0Aprograms=0A=0A=0AYes I think=C2=A0 Andy=C2=A0 gave a talk=C2=A0= at the=C2=A0 egham=C2=A0 =0Aconvention=C2=A0 on using=C2=A0=C2=A0 a/d=C2= =A0 from=C2=A0 mobile=C2=A0 phones , =0Athe=C2=A0 new=C2=A0 ones had the=C2= =A0 extra=C2=A0 bits=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 give =0Athe=C2=A0 full=C2=A0 dynamic=C2= =A0 range on=C2=A0 HF ..he=C2=A0 was=C2=A0 =0Ausing=C2=A0=C2=A0 hardware=C2= =A0 block=C2=A0 convertors ......... never=C2=A0 =0Asaw=C2=A0 any=C2=A0 ite= ms=C2=A0 offered=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 sale=C2=A0 =0A........only=C2=A0 some=C2= =A0 very=C2=A0 high price=C2=A0 'HF rx'=C2=A0 =0Ausing=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 same= =C2=A0 ideas=C2=A0 ...I think=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 =0Agive=C2=A0 away=C2=A0 is= =C2=A0 the=C2=A0 band=C2=A0 being=C2=A0 covered in =0Afrequency=C2=A0=C2=A0= blocks , which I assume=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 down to=C2=A0 =0Athe=C2=A0 down=C2= =A0 convertors =0A=0ADont=C2=A0 think=C2=A0 he is=C2=A0 monitoring=C2=A0 B= S now , or=C2=A0 =0Awe=C2=A0 might=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 got the=C2=A0 fill=C2=A0 = in, but=C2=A0 one =0Athings=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 certain, the =C2=A310 , wonder-d= ongle=C2=A0 has=C2=A0 =0Asaved=C2=A0 me=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 buying=C2=A0 a=C2= =A0 R7000 ...All we=C2=A0 =0Aneed=C2=A0 now=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 little= =C2=A0 more=C2=A0 stability=C2=A0 in =0Athe=C2=A0=C2=A0 control=C2=A0 softw= are=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 wide-band=C2=A0 FM option in=C2=A0 HDSDR=C2=A0 = =0A=0AIm getting the=C2=A0 gb3ang=C2=A0=C2=A0 beacon=C2=A0 on=C2=A0 70 Mhz= =C2=A0 =0Agood=C2=A0 signal=C2=A0 with=C2=A0 my indoor=C2=A0=C2=A0 2 ele=C2= =A0 quad =0A.......... the=C2=A0 PMR band=C2=A0 on=C2=A0 446 Mhz=C2=A0 with= the=C2=A0 =0Aco-linera=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 10 miles away in liverpool=C2=A0 s= sb on 144 MHz=C2=A0 =0Aetc=C2=A0 =0A=0ADefinable=C2=A0 FM-AFC=C2=A0 (AND= =C2=A0 AM) =C2=A0=C2=A0 would be handy=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 monitor=C2=A0 off=C2= =A0 =0Afrequency=C2=A0 nets=C2=A0 and the=C2=A0 tower/aircraft=C2=A0=C2=A0 = split =0A=0AI think=C2=A0 possible=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 driver=C2=A0 software= =C2=A0 =0Acould=C2=A0 improve=C2=A0 as=C2=A0 more=C2=A0 take=C2=A0 up=C2=A0= the=C2=A0 =0Aidea=C2=A0 ....... could=C2=A0 HDSDR have=C2=A0 its=C2=A0 own= =C2=A0 driver=C2=A0 =0Acode=C2=A0 block=C2=A0 .......... Ive=C2=A0 noticed = there=C2=A0 is a=C2=A0 =0Aroutine=C2=A0 that=C2=A0 some=C2=A0 times=C2=A0 a= ppears=C2=A0 that=C2=A0 =0A'purges'=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 device=C2=A0 ......now= =C2=A0 if that=C2=A0 could=C2=A0 =0Abe=C2=A0 run at=C2=A0=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 = , that=C2=A0 would=C2=A0 be a big=C2=A0 =0Ahelp, to=C2=A0 recover=C2=A0 a= =C2=A0 locked=C2=A0=C2=A0 system =0A=0A73 -G.=0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: = Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASubje= ct: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A =0AHi Bob =0A=C2=A0 =0AIf you are directing th= at mail to me then you need to look at earlier =0Aposts. =0A=C2=A0 =0AHowev= er if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of little =0Ainterest to yo= u. =0A=C2=A0 =0AYou say dangle we say dongle..... :-0 =0A=C2=A0 =0AThese a= re TV front ends that use the SDR principle and plug straight =0Ainto your = USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving local =0Adigital = TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in the US and =0Ath= ey can be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. If=C2=A0I need t= o =0Atell you more please ask but this is all in public domain on the web (= but not in =0AHam mags, at least not in UK). I have played with these thing= s for about 6 =0Amonths now=C2=A0and for a few quid (dollars) are fun. If y= ou build a simple up =0Aconverter with a say a 60meg LO guess what, you hav= e an all band=C2=A0HF radio =0Aas well. =0A=C2=A0 =0AOh and BTW I was not e= ntirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? =0AWe are talking 10 dollars= not 300+dollars. =0A=C2=A0 =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A =0A=0A________= ________________________=0AFrom: "riese-k3djc@juno.com" =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A19= :34=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms=0A=0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0A=0A=0ABeen Kin= da out of any loop on this=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A=0ABUT =0A=0Aif what I read,, if= I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct chip =0Aset =0Ait will co= ver MF to HF using=C2=A0 an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with =0Amy SDR= IQ =0Awhich I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set = =0AHDSDR =0Awill run that TV dangle=C2=A0as a HF radio =0A=0A?? =0A=0ABob K= 3DJC =0A=0AOn Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" =0Awrites: =0AHello Pete =0A>=0A>If we're talking about l= ow priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on the block in the form of = the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. =0A>It is what I will refer to as a "proper= " SDR i.e. a direct sampling digital down conversion SDR. =0A>It covers 10= 0kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a LAN interface = for remote access. =0A>The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 in= c shipping and VAT. =0A>=0A>You can find more details here =0A>=0A>http://4= z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-description =0A>=0A>https://www.box.com/s= /1cd9353fa35b1022925e =0A>=0A>I've no connection other than being a satisfi= ed customer. =0A>=0A>73s Tracey G5VU =0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A= >>From: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, = June 21, 2012 9:55 PM =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi= Mal =0A>>=0A>>The whole reason these things are getting so much attention = is the price and the fact they are independent of a sound card or=C2=A0A/D= converter.=C2=A0They are not really suitable for or give any advantage on= LF because you need an up converter in front. A Softrock SDR with a good = sound card will out perform these sticks at MF/LF.IMHO=C2=A0I don't think = its worth persuing to be honest. However I think with the DVB-T sticks peo= ple have been opening them up to look at the SMT chip marking if not sure.= It looks like they don't erase the markings like some well known LF TX su= ppiers do. Oh and the software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.= =0A>> =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>_______________________= _________=0A>> =0A> ---1613889061-1868787260-1340669298=:70238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham
 
OK a subtle point AM is a "Tran= sparent" mode FM is a "Capture" mode and as such not suitable for AC use wh= ere simultaneous transmission c= an block calls. Small random offsets in carrier frequency cause hetrodynes&= nbsp;that alert ATC of the presents of a weaker call. Nothing in Marine is = ever that immediate so I guess = it was expedient to opt for the El-Cheapo FM solution there can be no other= reason. Probably a bunch of Civil Servants were conned into believing AM s= tood for Ancient Modulation.
 
You are right there are = lot of extras that could be added to SDR software and perfectly feasible we just need to learn to pr= ogramme and add all the goodies we think are needed or find a friendly soft= ware jockey to do it for us...... hee!
 =
As far as up converters go the ubiquitous chip is the multiplex FST3253 used in Softrock = and other well known up-converters for RX an= d TX switched with a 90 degree phase shift LO from a pair of 7474 flip= flops is the basis for most current SDR detectors or TX mixers. There are = now relatively cheap A/D converters which give a wider BW than the are curr= ently available Sound Card solution. And now its all being integrated onto = a single IC so your comment earlier about a USB stick TX is with us. It jus= t needs a mass market for the price to come right down and I gues= s it comes through the Mobile Phone market. 
 
Big bang does= n't frighten me all bottles here matey retro shack thermionic not thermonuclear.
 
<= div>You'll be telling me next that the Moons gravity bends light ergo radio= waves?
 
It's late!!!
 
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <= br> Sent: Monday, 25 June = 2012, 23:38
Subject: R= e: LF: SDR programs

=0A=0A =0A =0A
=0A=
R Pete
=0A
 
=0A
Ahh   By  spli= t , I mean the  anti-jam   =0Ain channel  split&nb= sp; , When  on the  same  frequency, =0Athe  ground&nbs= p; TX  (used tobe ?)   off  set  =0Afrom the = aircraft  Tx  frequency  , so  if =0Athe  Ai= rcraft TX jammed  'ON' then  other  aircraft  =0Acould&= nbsp; still  receive  the  ground   , that  =0Awas=   the  reason  for  wide  IF pass  bands =0Aa= nd  keeping  to AM  for the  comm.'s ....  =0AMari= ne  coms  , adopted  FM ...
=0A
 
=0AThere is a  afc  for  cw
=0A
 
=0A
=  
=0A
OT ?  over the  top  more like ,  t= he  disclaimer =0Aon the  yab-a-dab-a-doo  group   = ; is bigger  than =0Athe  space  left  for the  me= ssages , I think the  =0Aname  Black-Sheep  seems  to&n= bsp; be  quite  apt  =0Anow  !,
=0A
 =0A
Big-bang  , according  to  my  arrl  ha= nd  =0Abook , HF communications  will  tend to  be = ; =0Aattenuated  in the  direction  of the  burst = , =0Aassume  by  producing  quite  a big  =0AFari= day   screen , also  recommends  you  keep  = =0Ayour  radio  in a  metal  sweet tin ala   = blue =0Apeter  garden ! 
=0A
 
=0A
Did&nb= sp; get  good  signals  on the  MW on the  =0Away&= nbsp; to  work  from  France  during  the  = =0Aeclipse some  time  ago  , due to the  lack  of=   =0Aionisation
=0A
 
=0A
G..
=0A
&nb= sp;
=0A
=0A

=0A
=0A
From: M0FMT <= /div>=0A
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:02 PM
=0A=0A
Subject: Re: LF: SDR program= s
=0A

=0A
=0A
Hi Graham
=0A
 
=0A
 
=0A
........= .... to monitor off frequency nets and the tower/aircraft =0Asplit..= ............. ? there is no split frequency working the Tower and =0AA/C bo= th use the same QRG its just that the A/C being at altitude can = =0Abe heard the Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can not be = =0Aheard........ if thats what you ment.
=0A
&= nbsp;
=0A
I use the say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B)=  LO for Tower =0Aso when the hand over from Approach to Tower occures = I merely click the =0Aappropriate LO A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shif= t, well it is at Luton AP =0Aanyway.
=0A
 = ;
=0A
Sorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector....= .... just as =0Awell the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we= may be getting our =0Akeying fingers rapped!!!!!!
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: Graham =0A&= lt;g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A21:19
Subject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms

=0A =0A
=0A
=0A
Yes I think&n= bsp; Andy  gave a talk  at the  egham  =0Aconvention&nb= sp; on using   a/d  from  mobile  phones , =0Athe&= nbsp; new  ones had the  extra  bits  to  give =0A= the  full  dynamic  range on  HF ..he  was  = =0Ausing   hardware  block  convertors ......... never&= nbsp; =0Asaw  any  items  offered  for  sale = =0A........only  some  very  high price  'HF rx' = =0Ausing  the  same  ideas  ...I think  the = =0Agive  away  is  the  band  being  covered= in =0Afrequency   blocks , which I assume  is  down to=   =0Athe  down  convertors
=0A
 
=0ADont  think  he is  monitoring  BS now , or  =0Aw= e  might  of  got the  fill  in, but  one =0A= things  is  certain, the =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle  has = =0Asaved  me  from  buying  a  R7000 ...All we&nb= sp; =0Aneed  now  is  a  little  more  stabil= ity  in =0Athe   control  software  and  a&nb= sp; =0Awide-band  FM option in  HDSDR 
= =0A
 
=0A
Im getting the  gb3ang   beacon&= nbsp; on  70 Mhz  =0Agood  signal  with  my indoor=    2 ele  quad =0A.......... the  PMR band  on&nbs= p; 446 Mhz  with the  =0Aco-linera  from  10 miles away= in liverpool  ssb on 144 MHz  =0Aetc 
=0A
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Definable  FM-AFC  (AND  AM) = =0A   would be handy  to  monitor  off  = =0Afrequency  nets  and the  tower/aircraft   spli= t
=0A
 
=0A
I think  possible  the  = driver  software  =0Acould  improve  as  more = ; take  up  the  =0Aidea  ....... could  HDSDR hav= e  its  own  driver  =0Acode  block  ........= .. Ive  noticed there  is a  =0Aroutine  that  som= e  times  appears  that  =0A'purges'  the  de= vice  ......now  if that  could  =0Abe  run at&nbs= p;  will  , that  would  be a big  =0Ahelp, to&nbs= p; recover  a  locked   system
=0A
 =0A
73 -G.
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: M0FMT
=0A
Sent: Monday, June 2= 5, 2012 8:58 PM
=0A=0A
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs
=0A

=0A
=0A
Hi Bob
=0A
=  
=0A
If you are directing that mail to me then you nee= d to look at earlier =0Aposts.
=0A
 =0A
However if you are a cheque book Ham then it will be of litt= le =0Ainterest to you.
=0A
 
=0AYou say dangle we say dongle..... :-0
=0A
 
=0A
These are TV front ends that use the SDR prin= ciple and plug straight =0Ainto your USB port on your Lap top. Normally the= y are for recieving local =0Adigital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. T= hey are available in the US and =0Athey can be made to tune from about 60me= gs to about 1.7gigs. If I need to =0Atell you more please ask but this= is all in public domain on the web (but not in =0AHam mags, at least not i= n UK). I have played with these things for about 6 =0Amonths now and f= or a few quid (dollars) are fun. If you build a simple up =0Aconverter with= a say a 60meg LO guess what, you have an all band HF radio =0Aas well= .
=0A
 
=0A
Oh and BTW I w= as not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at below?? =0AWe are talking 10= dollars not 300+dollars.
=0A
 
=0A<= div>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: =0A"riese-k3djc@juno.com" <riese-k3= djc@juno.com>
To: rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sen= t: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A19:34
Subject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms

= =0A
=EF=BB=BF =0A=0A=0A
=0A
=  
=0A
Been Kinda out of any loop on this  
= =0A
 
=0A
BUT
=0A
 
=0A
if what I = read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht he correct chip =0Aset=0A
it will cover MF to HF using  an appropriate program. I use H= DSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ
=0A
which I like for general reception. So = by using the proper chip set =0AHDSDR
=0A
will run that TV dangle&= nbsp;as a HF radio
=0A
 
=0A
??
=0A
 <= /div>=0A
Bob K3DJC
=0A
 
=0A
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012= 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" <tracey.gardner@talktalk.net> =0Awrites:
=0A=0A
Hello Pete
=0A
 
=0A
If we're talkin= g about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively new kid on =0A the block in= the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel.
=0A
It is what I wi= ll refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling =0A digital down conv= ersion SDR.
=0A
It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwid= th of 1.25MHz and has a =0A LAN interface for remote access.
=0A The best bit is that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT.=0A
 
=0A
You can find more details here
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---1613889061-1868787260-1340669298=:70238-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F2B003800009F; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbade-0005tI-EP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:00:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbadd-0005t6-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:00:17 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbadb-0007kS-Ii for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:00:16 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD022ACDBC; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:00:12 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 197qFDRaJ7520M01; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:00:09 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.1] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID230qFDRaJ1326X01; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:00:09 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.1 IN dibene@usa.net imap01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID230qFDRaJ1326X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.21.126] by imap01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 269qFDRaJ0032M21; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:00:09 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.21.126 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FCCE996.2070606@usa.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:00:06 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, LF Mailing List References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCC63E.6040400@hifidelity.com> In-Reply-To: <4FCCC63E.6040400@hifidelity.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 X-Antivirus: avast! 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I can stand an occasional post about rag-chewing CW QSOs on the Yahoo group, after all the Delete key is so handy, but it would be a pity if an interesting technical subject were discussed only on the Blacksheep reflector, which I will shortly unsubscribe. 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Later attempts to shepherd(!) contributors into the > appropriate groups will be met with ill-will, factions will > arise etc. Seen just this happen. And who will enforce the separation of the topics between the two groups ? I can stand an occasional post about rag-chewing CW QSOs on the Yahoo group, after all the Delete key is so handy, but it would be a pity if an interesting technical subject were discussed only on the Blacksheep reflector, which I will shortly unsubscribe. 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------070303050001060800010800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/4/2012 4:29 PM, Steve Dove wrote: 
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Content preview: GE Markus, Your carrier in Moscow, ~10db. 73 Andrey [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [94.100.176.132 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rn3agc[at]mail.ru) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.9 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: 8aa411d41ceab1c25572935e870c69f4 Subject: Re: LF: Fieldday Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD45E8.4DEB7C20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81365 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440951936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m289.1 ; domain : mail.ru DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a4fd27e48441f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD45E8.4DEB7C20 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GE Markus, Your carrier in Moscow, ~10db. 73 Andrey Hi Stefan, just sent a test carrier on 137710 for a couple of minutes from my Marconi (the outdoor antenna ;-). SNR in QRSS3 was 41 dB in Heidelberg, and around 20 dB on the temporary grabber. Of course the ferrite antenna might not have been pointing my way. Any chance you could place it outside the car? Greetings to the gang, have fun! 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Content preview: Loading coil for 9 Khz, heavy duty model G3KEV Loading coil for 9 Khz, heavy duty model [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.241 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_OBFU_JPG_ATTACH BODY: JPG attachment with generic MIME type 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: db8e9df07fbe0879a3c9e1a68f3f2469 Subject: LF: Emailing: valves 018 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD4A32.6339E050" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81511 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461376352:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824fd9e8cb21b1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CD4A32.6339E050 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01CD4A32.6339E050" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CD4A32.6339E050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loading coil for 9 Khz, heavy duty model G3KEV ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CD4A32.6339E050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Loading coil for 9 Khz, heavy = duty=20 model
 
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:33:12 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkMFALa24E9cHY3C/2dsb2JhbABFgkWiPZBogQiCEwUBAQUIAQEDICEIAiELAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEBCSUUAQQYAgYMCggGDwQBCQECAgEBAQsEh1wDDwewDwOJWIpMY4J+gxsDiBCFNJEFgVuEfoJg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,438,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="39139515" Received: from host-92-29-141-194.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.141.194]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 18:33:09 +0100 Message-ID: <007801cd4e41$97603d80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: Cc: "rsgb" References: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:33:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham it is so QUIET the needles keep pooping UP. I do get worried that the RF might set a bale on FIRE !! MAL ----- Original Message ----- From: graham787 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Emailing: hay 034 [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.243 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.2 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.3 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 4220a5ee914f949f13cd1b56700aea33 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Emailing: hay 034 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD4E41.97222310" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:469387104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 10 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4fe0b8081541 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD4E41.97222310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham it is so QUIET the needles keep pooping UP. I do get worried = that the RF might set a bale on FIRE !! MAL ----- Original Message -----=20 From: graham787=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Emailing: hay 034 =20 Ideal setup for finding a needle in a hay-stack on 500 ? G:) --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, John Rabson = wrote: > > As long as there is no corona! >=20 > John F5VLF >=20 > On 19 Jun 2012, at 17:50CEST, mal hamilton wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST > >=20 > > g3kev > >=20 > >=20 > > > __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (3)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 2 a.. New Photos 1 a.. New Links 1=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD4E41.97222310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham it is so QUIET the needles keep pooping = UP. I do=20 get  worried that the RF might set a bale on FIRE !!
MAL
 
 
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Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: = Emailing:=20 hay 034

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Ideal setup for finding a needle in a hay-stack on 500=20 ?

G:)

--- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk,=20 John Rabson <john.rabson@...> wrote:
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> As long as = there is=20 no corona!
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> John F5VLF
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> On 19 Jun = 2012, at=20 17:50CEST, mal hamilton wrote:
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> > = Antenna Hay=20 day. S/EAST MAST
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> > g3kev
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------=_NextPart_000_0075_01CD4E41.97222310-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C5A4838000095; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 20:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgQBS-0007xI-Ug for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:51:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgQBS-0007x9-Gf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:51:10 +0100 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgQBP-0000dY-RJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:51:09 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q5I0p4bp012632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:21:04 -0230 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:21:04 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: References: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MUN-Disclaimer: http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/elect_communications_disclaimer_2012.php X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, Group. At the moment, a CW beacon is running on 504.1 kHz on this side of the pond. 73 Joe VO1NA [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: LF: Now again on 477.5 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492580800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4fde7bcc0fa7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, Group. At the moment, a CW beacon is running on 504.1 kHz on this side of the=20 pond. 73 Joe VO1NA On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > MF, > > Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy exciti= ng=20 > for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again, listening and watc= hing=20 > on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else wants to try. > > Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A5A47380000AB; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfI4z-0008PQ-E2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:59:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfI4y-0008PH-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:59:48 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfI4x-0002m2-DN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:59:47 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.46.125]) by mwinf5d25 with ME id NMzm1j0092i31Ua03MzmqD; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:59:47 +0200 Message-ID: <699357C16B9347949BA7E7250F122BD1@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <006b01cd4a4f$ea9b98f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <006b01cd4a4f$ea9b98f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:59:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120614-1, 14/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Definitely OFF TOPIC will have to have a vote on this kind of supercilious posting , Unless its linked to a LF garden party , in which case that 's fine , onions on mine pls G : ) From: mal hamilton Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:05 PM To: rsgb Subject: LF: 500 es Charcoal [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 7f2e5481aa97b3cbff3d653a1b2ddfbd Subject: Re: LF: 500 es Charcoal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4A81.64CA5270" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:393592256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894fda5f0a4ca4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4A81.64CA5270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Definitely OFF TOPIC will have to have a vote on this kind of = supercilious posting , Unless its linked to a LF garden party , in = which case that 's fine , onions on mine pls=20 G : )=20 From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:05 PM To: rsgb=20 Subject: LF: 500 es Charcoal Now QAP es QRV on 500 Khz es QSX 472 search in between manufacturing my = own charcoal for BBQ . The recently purchased charcoal does not meet my = standards, ie dust and small chips and high price.=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4A81.64CA5270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Definitely  OFF TOPIC  will  have to  have a = vote on=20 this  kind of   supercilious  posting ,  Unless = its=20 linked to a  LF garden party , in which  case = that 's  fine=20 ,  onions on mine  pls
 
G  : )
 
 

Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:05 PM
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: 500 es Charcoal

Now QAP es QRV on 500 Khz es QSX 472 search in = between=20 manufacturing my own charcoal for BBQ . The recently purchased = charcoal=20 does not meet my standards, ie dust and small chips and high price.=20
 
de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CD4A81.64CA5270-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2EFE6380000AD; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHwg-0002NQ-CA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:39:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHwe-0002My-So for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:39:44 +0100 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjHwb-0000AZ-2G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:39:43 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.169]) by mwinf5d37 with ME id Smff1j00D3f0J8203mfffQ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:39:39 +0200 Message-ID: <9B92E5E758664934B13502459785E3F5@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <4FE86518.10408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <003301cd52fd$925cc810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE8E412.5000909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FE8E412.5000909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:39:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120625-0, 25/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of the UK as well ! From: "Stefan Schäfer" Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 9d01e9df836df8dd3868645661e1c1f7 Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489860736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40814fe8e8da48d7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Would be the first with Opera 4 H decode over this side of the UK as well ! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schfer" Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:20 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Re: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt > Mal, > > Am 25.06.2012 20:08, schrieb mal hamilton: >> Stefan >> This sounds interesting and given time I might get Transmitting on the >> Dreamers band. > Yes, give it a try! You know how it is done and need less effort due to > your higher antenna C and mains availability. > You can surely be the first who will be visible in EU from the UK. > >> I have all the equipment suitable plus antennas but I am busy with other >> persuits at present. >> > Take care and the time to carefully wind a suitable coil on a large tube. > 60 cm, rather 80 cm diameter is recommended. You have Paul Nicholsons > grabber in a not to far distance, which will be very helpful for the first > tests! > > 73, Stefan > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stefan Schfer" >> To: >> Cc: "Paul"; "Christoph Maurer" >> >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:18 PM >> Subject: LF: New VLF Grabber in Darmstadt >> >> >> >>> VLF, >>> >>> It's a long time ago that we put the focus on VLF. Today i want to >>> inform you about a new VLF Grabber at the Technical University of >>> Darmstadt, http://skmail.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/gvw/grabber.html run >>> by Christoph Maurer who is working in the nuclear science institute. >>> Seems they want to observe the VLF spectrum and try to make some >>> earthquake precursors. >>> I've been in contact with Christoph some month ago and convinced him to >>> share the received spectrum with us by running such a grabber :-) He >>> even runs a "DFCW-6000" window on that site. There are no CPU resources >>> for that at the moment though. >>> The distance to Heidelberg is 51.3 km, >>> http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN49HV80ST&from=jn49ik00wd so it >>> should be easy to get a reception on 8970 Hz (Dreamers band :-) ) even >>> in summer. >>> If i find the time in the coming weeks i'm planning a summer VLF event. >>> BTW my special permission to fly a kite in 300m AGL expires in June 2012 >>> :-( These days, i'm not sure whether it makes sense to try to extend it. >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >>> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2511A380000A2; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiY14-0002t1-GF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:37:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiY13-0002ss-UB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:37:13 +0100 Received: from nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.60]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiY12-0007Oo-6d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:37:12 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.52] by nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2012 21:37:10 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2012 21:37:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2012 21:37:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 854143.50461.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 65928 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2012 21:37:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=FXgOf5SZJ5wANMB4xsAsNkkTuGvMYAjMRyKGyu4anwNLJD/q6jT8u+6yBMTM3nXHuv9Y0L4eep4PFmyzotRi0/sXrIx21zjjW9VF13RtPoId+Ub+5uppykTwec9dviFuLwn/AI2iEDeimWX6idu7XWXMuM7qRnGOhlARmcbQSsU= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1340487430; bh=EF6OJFw1M/AFgIGJ09Y02r3tTREV5Y5Ce2XCvT9C8/Y=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=oIBUZ5xIBAn2xASy4IjczQHNwzy2WVkxx8UrE1o3OjP/K9k5EA3w80k737KhBTHZCpKEJ9xZhKXAb/WqbrfFJQHjgunXRyUAlztJxLhPt+nNwGFqLhn93gP8ToTAmmF1qz+mFdVUTo+k3w3m0IhKTZwBE3HOwfiaDVjp8HqjK3M= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: w7xd.QMVM1nS_v0cjSQbZB.sndU5JY1hp79ai51Zzgjjv1C z2z35JZflb0UvrzQagy4LZUy9TO2JR9mF1AvSsKIzaFqqmSgKFYuVcyhpTjr KuueYnY7o1PzfOM5ZJeFTS_pf.UBkNE6C.ZAz9fXgcBo2QImy_WRcZXy0FAj jY67Tw1WmnlwexjRWTjXb3kXSLmcIV7vl2iKrVYtP7_grjiD2V5FscIwEDMD Dy5Ob_BYvxMfp9fsIbuDRrCkznfNcu8OB0sk.Q2GLJufYW6MzLUcHES8nz0a zUziiDfbXM_N2y_dZfaIaJWg.SDsmRLvkEYZRNr2uBR.VuARTc3ywGfSaAfS neu0SD.j9E7KqCLwsRrz0quzd9WOn7vX0B_x8oo_zqOsMRkz5QZ6cytO9OD3 L1qnUFEjdjVEsQrxp3AUW3A-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: fpz.2VeswBBs59bVshRPmMN51lcO2lgFRIvE4XTqE8dRwOxd70E- Received: from gnat (alan.melia@109.145.215.32 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2012 21:37:10 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <31212EAB23144530AA7C60F8119AA937@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:36:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120623-1, 23/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Warren I doubt you will find they have any stock. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 10:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.60 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: d7fcd9b75df8d1b09ddef9df028bd9ae Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445491040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m015.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154fe6373e254b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Warren I doubt you will find they have any stock. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 10:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jackson Bros ? Hi Alan, I was a little concerned when I tried looking up the address on Google maps and it looked like a housing estate, most likely an error on my part. I will e-mail them and see if they can supply the part. Vy 73 Warren On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi Warren yes Mainline bought the rump of JB and started to put some > components back in production because they had found all the drawings > during > their clear-out, then about 5 years ago they had a massive fire an lost > everything including the tooling I believe so JB is I am afraid probably > beyong resurrection. > Very Sad. I did seem the name had been saved after an asset stripping > operation...... > > Alan G3NYK > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: "rsgb_lf_group" > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:19 PM > Subject: LF: Jackson Bros ? > > > Hello the list, > Has anyone had dealings with Mainline Electronics of Leicester > which now has taken over Jackson Bros? > I am looking to buy a large split-stator capacitor for a balanced > link-coupled tuner and Jackson appears to be the only source... > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 39D56380000E2; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHRC-00026C-NH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:07:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SjHRB-000263-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:07:13 +0100 Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.207]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SjHR8-0008TN-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:07:12 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.233] by nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2012 22:07:08 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.251] by tm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2012 22:07:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2012 22:07:08 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 568801.74830.bm@omp1016.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16794 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2012 21:02:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1340658147; bh=yCEi2bvJIVz5DMlHmqSItni+1XVsBarZPC+gxztZ9po=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Wt9CrFyKjm5RrIZa0F+ovcM6G9petyDU5hANy9kMCaq8+ljFBRQE14v+K1vlz0FUuPhye6vWW2KEd/7DFG7Irc8K4R7rBRYAlKlmZWXPzWEm7bDm49+z8FCJKAWI5Y9JnKOc6sjVIn8H+bvdQFItp9csgVFqn981nWYGYYHGZTI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uTC7r0IR4B1saWrP30hKmK1q7XzNrP8AzIpsJCAMGftdTzJzl/Rqr4uX5ZBr/Npt87ftp2SfSvt2qGQitLWfNjXc1ooTviu9biLjkMWAy8J5uiL7N171XKw88/B8pgYk04ZksFhDfGuSTVdsF6dT8B/G1+3v0ia5XQgIfi7xAhQ=; X-YMail-OSG: xMKsKvsVM1nqtRbJApOsowyJZ0ARMKtZLpLxmlnzakgV2Cf 8342Up.R50Bkuu07Z8dLDhUG2INI_BQgEF7y.aYNiLHL70SWIwgPIjXhFb26 _rPRGDAZxZSNxCV2hUOksqvzyyALNFCSM1nwnVQJuDKiCKwv7d3qcT0DhKWZ OYLiuoBVaBzpzp_kcqz4giUJB.SmerYgazbO30gGlA2BRXKc9fHiXk1rIzdS v7p2qW7LsUbnJuQ1VTGWao5zDJGsf3w0eELXmxi0IYq54djBTHYSTqNFHqC1 SRrmFTOO7JMNUF_sFHX_TZqiT6iLsl15sPJQ4k_guvQFEhnywGWg0ec5Kgoq WWJtB5KDlnmeEJHVSoubCJph1pulUUpHKz4pBbn3IaiZgcNh1fug3Oz.Fdo. c00.eMzgf1dMi5xSH7AsFYCdDJTqr0eyBFj0RcUSMYQAIgVNCTMtLYdqnNW_ j8toZ_.snu7JLIxK1IGjZH8M443EnDzGHxU66Md3LpM_Qm9jRjLsMCb7EGWj ThaVt48yFHWpsar.iZ9wDkLVW6WRfc_PekJcX3CEkDvEjEiXCjwa0v_SqKyC yJLMLetXRQyzCirdfUrFo_HCfXYdCkGTrLaqZ6RXqN3yOUvMekuDwLYDTFAf 3iwK4ntt10ZICXpu1YaE- Received: from [86.164.26.59] by web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:02:27 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <20120625.113436.1661.631277@mailpop04.vgs.untd.com> <1340654283.10216.YahooMailNeo@web171603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1340658147.14634.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:02:27 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham   to monitor off frequency nets and the tower/aircraft split ? there is no split frequency working the Tower and A/C both use the same QRG its just that the A/C being at altitude can be heard the Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can not be heard........ if thats what you ment.  I use the say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B) LO for Tower so when the hand over from Approach to Tower occures I merely click the appropriate LO A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well it is at Luton AP anyway.  Sorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector........ just as well the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be getting our keying fingers rapped!!!!!! [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.207 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 29f1b43ee9e13e220716185d38bfb88c Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1863597795-1340658147=:14634" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:474606528:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-a409.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94fe8e162134c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1863597795-1340658147=:14634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A............ to monitor off frequency ne= ts and the tower/aircraft split............... ? there is no split fre= quency working the Tower and A/C both use the=C2=A0same QRG its just that t= he A/C being at altitude=C2=A0can be heard the Tower being low and beyond y= our radio horizon can not be heard........ if thats what you ment.=0A=C2=A0= =0AI use the say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B)=C2=A0LO for Tower so = when the hand over from Approach to Tower occures I merely click the approp= riate LO=C2=A0A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well it is at Luton AP an= yway.=0A=C2=A0=0ASorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector........= just as well the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be= getting our keying fingers rapped!!!!!!=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Graham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 21:= 19=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs=0A =0A=0A =0AYes I think=C2=A0 Andy=C2= =A0 gave a talk=C2=A0 at the=C2=A0 egham=C2=A0 =0Aconvention=C2=A0 on using= =C2=A0=C2=A0 a/d=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 mobile=C2=A0 phones , =0Athe=C2=A0 new=C2= =A0 ones had the=C2=A0 extra=C2=A0 bits=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 give =0Athe=C2=A0 fu= ll=C2=A0 dynamic=C2=A0 range on=C2=A0 HF ..he=C2=A0 was=C2=A0 =0Ausing=C2= =A0=C2=A0 hardware=C2=A0 block=C2=A0 convertors ......... never=C2=A0 =0Asa= w=C2=A0 any=C2=A0 items=C2=A0 offered=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 sale=C2=A0 =0A.......= .only=C2=A0 some=C2=A0 very=C2=A0 high price=C2=A0 'HF rx'=C2=A0 =0Ausing= =C2=A0 the=C2=A0 same=C2=A0 ideas=C2=A0 ...I think=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 =0Agive= =C2=A0 away=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 band=C2=A0 being=C2=A0 covered in =0Af= requency=C2=A0=C2=A0 blocks , which I assume=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 down to=C2=A0 = =0Athe=C2=A0 down=C2=A0 convertors =0A=0ADont=C2=A0 think=C2=A0 he is=C2= =A0 monitoring=C2=A0 BS now , or=C2=A0 =0Awe=C2=A0 might=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 got= the=C2=A0 fill=C2=A0 in, but=C2=A0 one =0Athings=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 certain, t= he =C2=A310 , wonder-dongle=C2=A0 has=C2=A0 =0Asaved=C2=A0 me=C2=A0 from=C2= =A0 buying=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 R7000 ...All we=C2=A0 =0Aneed=C2=A0 now=C2=A0 is= =C2=A0 a=C2=A0 little=C2=A0 more=C2=A0 stability=C2=A0 in =0Athe=C2=A0=C2= =A0 control=C2=A0 software=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 wide-band=C2=A0 FM optio= n in=C2=A0 HDSDR=C2=A0 =0A=0AIm getting the=C2=A0 gb3ang=C2=A0=C2=A0 beaco= n=C2=A0 on=C2=A0 70 Mhz=C2=A0 =0Agood=C2=A0 signal=C2=A0 with=C2=A0 my indo= or=C2=A0=C2=A0 2 ele=C2=A0 quad =0A.......... the=C2=A0 PMR band=C2=A0 on= =C2=A0 446 Mhz=C2=A0 with the=C2=A0 =0Aco-linera=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 10 miles = away in liverpool=C2=A0 ssb on 144 MHz=C2=A0 =0Aetc=C2=A0 =0A=0ADefinable= =C2=A0 FM-AFC=C2=A0 (AND=C2=A0 =0AAM) =C2=A0=C2=A0 would be handy=C2=A0 to= =C2=A0 monitor=C2=A0 =0Aoff=C2=A0 frequency=C2=A0 nets=C2=A0 and the=C2=A0 = tower/aircraft=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0Asplit =0A=0AI think=C2=A0 possible=C2=A0 the= =C2=A0 driver=C2=A0 software=C2=A0 =0Acould=C2=A0 improve=C2=A0 as=C2=A0 mo= re=C2=A0 take=C2=A0 up=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 =0Aidea=C2=A0 ....... could=C2=A0 HD= SDR have=C2=A0 its=C2=A0 own=C2=A0 driver=C2=A0 =0Acode=C2=A0 block=C2=A0 .= ......... Ive=C2=A0 noticed there=C2=A0 is a=C2=A0 =0Aroutine=C2=A0 that=C2= =A0 some=C2=A0 times=C2=A0 appears=C2=A0 that=C2=A0 =0A'purges'=C2=A0 the= =C2=A0 device=C2=A0 ......now=C2=A0 if that=C2=A0 could=C2=A0 =0Abe=C2=A0 r= un at=C2=A0=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 , that=C2=A0 would=C2=A0 be a big=C2=A0 =0Ahel= p, to=C2=A0 recover=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 locked=C2=A0=C2=A0 system =0A=0A73 -G.= =0A =0AFrom: M0FMT =0ASent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM =0ATo: rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR programs =0A =0AHi Bob =0A=C2= =A0 =0AIf you are directing that mail to me then you need to look at earlie= r =0Aposts. =0A=C2=A0 =0AHowever if you are a cheque book Ham then it will = be of little =0Ainterest to you. =0A=C2=A0 =0AYou say dangle we say dongle= ..... :-0 =0A=C2=A0 =0AThese are TV front ends that use the SDR principle a= nd plug straight =0Ainto your USB port on your Lap top. Normally they are f= or recieving local =0Adigital TV and radio plus a FM band as well. They are= available in the US and =0Athey can be made to tune from about 60megs to a= bout 1.7gigs. If=C2=A0I need to =0Atell you more please ask but this is all= in public domain on the web (but not in =0AHam mags, at least not in UK). = I have played with these things for about 6 =0Amonths now=C2=A0and for a fe= w quid (dollars) are fun. If you build a simple up =0Aconverter with a say = a 60meg LO guess what, you have an all band=C2=A0HF radio =0Aas well. =0A= =C2=A0 =0AOh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting at belo= w?? =0AWe are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars. =0A=C2=A0 =0A73 es GL Pet= e M0FMT IO91UX=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "riese-k3d= jc@juno.com" =0A=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0ASent: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A19:34=0ASubject: Re: LF: SDR =0Aprograms= =0A=0A=0A=EF=BB=BF =0A=0A=0ABeen Kinda out of any loop on this=C2=A0=C2=A0= =0A=0ABUT =0A=0Aif what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb dangle witht= he correct chip =0Aset =0Ait will cover MF to HF using=C2=A0 an appropriat= e program. I use HDSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ =0Awhich I like for general recept= ion. So by using the proper chip set =0AHDSDR =0Awill run that TV dangle=C2= =A0as a HF radio =0A=0A?? =0A=0ABob K3DJC =0A=0AOn Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:0= 0 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" =0Awrites: =0AHello = Pete =0A>=0A>If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a relatively = new kid on the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from Israel. =0A>It= is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a direct sampling digital = down conversion SDR. =0A>It covers 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth= of 1.25MHz and has a LAN interface for remote access. =0A>The best bit is= that it costs just over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT. =0A>=0A>You can fi= nd more details here =0A>=0A>http://4z5lv.net/index.php/afedri-sdr-net-desc= ription =0A>=0A>https://www.box.com/s/1cd9353fa35b1022925e =0A>=0A>I've no = connection other than being a satisfied customer. =0A>=0A>73s Tracey G5VU = =0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:55 PM =0A>>Subject: R= e: LF: SDR programs =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Mal =0A>>=0A>>The whole reason these= things are getting so much attention is the price and the fact they are i= ndependent of a sound card or=C2=A0A/D converter.=C2=A0They are not really= suitable for or give any advantage on LF because you need an up converter= in front. A Softrock SDR with a good sound card will out perform these st= icks at MF/LF.IMHO=C2=A0I don't think its worth persuing to be honest. How= ever I think with the DVB-T sticks people have been opening them up to loo= k at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It looks like they don't erase the = markings like some well known LF TX suppiers do. Oh and the software plug-= ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.=0A>> =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX= =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>________________________________=0A>> =0A> --435439028-1863597795-1340658147=:14634 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham
 
 
.= ........... to monitor off frequency nets and the tower/aircraft= split............... ? there is no split frequency working the Tow= er and A/C both use the same QRG its just that the A/C being at altitu= de can be heard the Tower being low and beyond your radio horizon can = not be heard........ if thats what you ment.
=  
I use the say (A) LO for Approach and then say (B)&n= bsp;LO for Tower so when the hand over from Approach to Tower occures I mer= ely click the appropriate LO A or B. Usually a 3 to 4 meg shift, well = it is at Luton AP anyway.
 
Sorry wrong end of the spectrum for this reflector........ just as well the RSGB attention is with the Yahoo mess otherwise we may be getting= our keying fingers rapped!!!!!!
=
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=
From: Graham <g8fzk@= g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To:<= /b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 21:19
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs
=0A=0A =0A= =0A
=0A
Yes I think  Andy  gave a talk  at the = ; egham  =0Aconvention  on using   a/d  from = mobile  phones , =0Athe  new  ones had the  extra = ; bits  to  give =0Athe  full  dynamic  range on&n= bsp; HF ..he  was  =0Ausing   hardware  block = ; convertors ......... never  =0Asaw  any  items  offer= ed  for  sale  =0A........only  some  very  h= igh price  'HF rx'  =0Ausing  the  same  ideas&nbs= p; ...I think  the  =0Agive  away  is  the  b= and  being  covered in =0Afrequency   blocks , which I = assume  is  down to  =0Athe  down  convertors =0A
 
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Dont  think  he is  monitoring=   BS now , or  =0Awe  might  of  got the  fil= l  in, but  one =0Athings  is  certain, the =C2=A310 , = wonder-dongle  has  =0Asaved  me  from  buying&nbs= p; a  R7000 ...All we  =0Aneed  now  is  a  l= ittle  more  stability  in =0Athe   control  = software  and  a  =0Awide-band  FM option in = ; HDSDR 
=0A
 
=0A
Im getting the = ; gb3ang   beacon  on  70 Mhz  =0Agood  signa= l  with  my indoor   2 ele  quad =0A.......... the=   PMR band  on  446 Mhz  with the  =0Aco-linera&nb= sp; from  10 miles away in liverpool  ssb on 144 MHz  =0Aetc=  
=0A
 
=0A
Definable  FM-AF= C  (AND  =0AAM)    would be handy  to = ; monitor  =0Aoff  frequency  nets  and the  tower= /aircraft   =0Asplit
=0A
 
=0A
I think&nb= sp; possible  the  driver  software  =0Acould  imp= rove  as  more  take  up  the  =0Aidea  = ....... could  HDSDR have  its  own  driver  =0Aco= de  block  .......... Ive  noticed there  is a  = =0Aroutine  that  some  times  appears  that = =0A'purges'  the  device  ......now  if that  cou= ld  =0Abe  run at   will  , that  would = be a big  =0Ahelp, to  recover  a  locked   = system
=0A
 
=0A
73 -G.
=0A
=0A=
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From: M0FMT
=0A<= div>Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:58 PM
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Subjec= t: Re: LF: SDR programs
=0A

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=0A
Hi Bob
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=0A
If you are directi= ng that mail to me then you need to look at earlier =0Aposts.
= =0A
 
=0A
However if you are a cheque = book Ham then it will be of little =0Ainterest to you.
=0A 
=0A
You say dangle we say dongle..... := -0
=0A
 
=0A
These are TV = front ends that use the SDR principle and plug straight =0Ainto your USB po= rt on your Lap top. Normally they are for recieving local =0Adigital TV and= radio plus a FM band as well. They are available in the US and =0Athey can= be made to tune from about 60megs to about 1.7gigs. If I need to =0At= ell you more please ask but this is all in public domain on the web (but no= t in =0AHam mags, at least not in UK). I have played with these things for = about 6 =0Amonths now and for a few quid (dollars) are fun. If you bui= ld a simple up =0Aconverter with a say a 60meg LO guess what, you have an a= ll band HF radio =0Aas well.
=0A
 =0A
Oh and BTW I was not entirely sure what Tracy was getting= at below?? =0AWe are talking 10 dollars not 300+dollars.
=0A 
=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A=
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: "ries= e-k3djc@juno.com" =0A<riese-k3djc@juno.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, =0A19:= 34
Subject: Re: LF: SDR= =0Aprograms

=0A =0A
=EF=BB=BF= =0A=0A=0A
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=0A
Been Kinda out of= any loop on this  
=0A
 
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BUT
= =0A
 
=0A
if what I read,, if I connect a TV tuner usb da= ngle witht he correct chip =0Aset
=0A
it will cover MF to HF using=   an appropriate program. I use HDSDR with =0Amy SDR IQ
=0A
w= hich I like for general reception. So by using the proper chip set =0AHDSDR=
=0A
will run that TV dangle as a HF radio
=0A
 = ;
=0A
??
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=0A
Bob K3DJC
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&= nbsp;
=0A
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0100 "Tracey Gardner" <= tracey.gardner@talkta= lk.net> =0Awrites:
=0A
=0A
Hello Pete
=0A  
=0A
If we're talking about low priced SDRs, there is a r= elatively new kid on =0A the block in the form of the Afedri SDR-Net from = Israel.
=0A
It is what I will refer to as a "proper" SDR i.e. a = direct sampling =0A digital down conversion SDR.
=0A
It covers = 100kHz to 30MHz, has a maximum bandwidth of 1.25MHz and has a =0A LAN inte= rface for remote access.
=0A
The best bit is that it costs just = over =C2=A3200 inc shipping and VAT.
=0A
 
=0A
Y= ou can find more details here
=0A
 
=0A =0A
 
=0A =0A
 
=0A
I've no conn= ection other than being a satisfied customer.
=0A
 
= =0A
73s Tracey G5VU
=0A
=0A
----- =0A Original Message -----
=0A From: =0A M0FMT
=0A =0A
Sent: =0A Thursday, June 21, 2012= 9:55 PM
=0A
Subject: =0A Re: LF: SDR programs=
=0A

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=0A
Hi Mal
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The whole reason these things are getting so much attent= ion is the =0A price and the fact they are independent of a sound card o= r A/D =0A converter. They are not really suitable for or give = any advantage on LF =0A because you need an up converter in front. A Sof= trock SDR with a good sound =0A card will out perform these sticks at MF= /LF.IMHO I don't think its =0A worth persuing to be honest. However= I think with the DVB-T sticks people =0A have been opening them up to l= ook at the SMT chip marking if not sure. It =0A looks like they don't er= ase the markings like some well known LF TX suppiers =0A do. Oh and the = software plug-ins are only for the RTL2832 chipset.
=0A
73= es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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--435439028-1863597795-1340658147=:14634-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0BB003800009C; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 13:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbEI1-0003BE-7q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:08:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbEI0-0003B5-R7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:08:28 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbEHz-0002lH-3L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:08:27 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9852AC7A0 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:08:25 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 105qFcRiw9120M01; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:08:22 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from imap03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.3] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID138qFcRiw7358X01; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:08:22 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.3 IN dibene@usa.net imap03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID138qFcRiw7358X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.55.22.185] by imap03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPSA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTPSA id 579qFcRiV6816M23; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:08:22 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.55.22.185 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4FCB9A03.8080802@usa.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:08:19 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de><000b01cd416c$9bef0a20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d501cd4198$727929b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCB93EC.3030907@psk31.plus.com> <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> In-Reply-To: <270B05A58E9F46F4AD21EFF298F32DE6@Shack> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120603-0, 06/03/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID579qFcRiw6816X23 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 6/3/2012 6:56 PM, Tony wrote: Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [165.212.64.31 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: LF: Re: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:420035904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564fcb9a3e2962 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none On 6/3/2012 6:56 PM, Tony wrote:
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Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances.
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Can't the same be done also by the Blacksheep moderator (or administrator, if this term is more acceptable) ?
Censorship (or the lack of thereof) does not depend on the technical substrate, but just on the person who
has the authority to perform it.

73=A0 Alberto=A0 I2PHD

 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9D4C4380000B8; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SchDh-0003zn-2M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:14:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SchDg-0003ze-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:14:04 +0100 Received: from mailout07.t-online.de ([194.25.134.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SchDe-0003Vh-Pb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:14:03 +0100 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de (fwd04.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout07.t-online.de with smtp id 1SchDd-0003as-Bd; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:14:01 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.32] (XKjSt2ZOghtk8rP6brelVOoCNP-psgzkvZefOjr1azE4QLunaIzOjaRgWe-nR1Jw8L@[79.237.174.216]) by fwd04.t-online.de with esmtp id 1SchDc-0dqAKm0; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:14:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To:<4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 07 Jun 2012 18:14 GMT Message-ID: <1SchDc-0dqAKm0@fwd04.t-online.de> X-ID: XKjSt2ZOghtk8rP6brelVOoCNP-psgzkvZefOjr1azE4QLunaIzOjaRgWe-nR1Jw8L X-TOI-MSGID: 3dcce7a7-9d99-435b-8ca3-6b4b2e49c325 X-RFC2822-Warning: Obsolete format in Date: header X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Stefan, this is the first time I tried to copy You on LF. Your signal is clearly audible in JN68GN, eastern Bavaria, S-Meter showing S3, even during thunderstorm crashes. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.25.134.83 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: bb61bee384896e075004ae5ec954ddd2 Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:393926208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84fd0efa0668f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Stefan, this is the first time I tried to copy You on LF. Your signal is clearly audible in JN68GN, eastern Bavaria, S-Meter showing S3, even during thunderstorm crashes. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Stefan Schfer" schrieb: > LF! > > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. The QRN is high with > thunderstorms in north east France, coming closer to DL. Maybe a > challenge for your RX is difficult conds. Anyway, we should bear uo > against the QRN :-) > In the past activities there was a good feedback in the DX cluster at > http://www.dxsummit.fi/CustomFilter.aspx?customCount=50&customRange=137 > so this is worth to try to gain some newcomers to the LF band! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 624A9380000B4; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 19:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbKRZ-0006ym-7b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 00:42:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbKRY-0006yd-QK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 00:42:44 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbKRX-00041G-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 00:42:43 +0100 Received: by obfk16 with SMTP id k16so15878998obf.16 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:42:41 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aOtnZnJN8dTiHFLeWe1Ft85eznwUZQGX7QZtc/usrHk=; b=H8Gy5g5FoZvt0eTXi5Em/0C9Z7wzcMopLlPBo97FwxzWByMN4pXYaqTrDegOW1UP6+ y7wzgCKEZGzBhRAHWUXgv3HzdvobO0UUzGtSp8j9l+BMgyXPwgZB8qVARSnqpncwzLsU fUPSlytp1/gPZN9JhoxwjYTOmKXmtMPujWSsvFnBVNUV2hvrFRfJaXXmZpY+bXEa4t3R tRIiJP7AQU/8r1Z2UYS0jbCQTAr2caV3Tx5O9reTdIzuilrF4vWiSr0G+4IkR+u2W+ia HN6fQmZuwrYD89gxhLfImE4IwjPLG8m9e+QqyWxTuu0tAWnr/DhaC50yLjNY8JiGZxPk doOQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.207.41 with SMTP id lt9mr9998936obc.41.1338766961245; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.57.131 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:42:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCBC03A.60402@toya.net.pl> References: <4FCB225B.7020209@legal-medicine.de> <4FCB47D9.9030800@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCBC03A.60402@toya.net.pl> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:42:41 +1000 Message-ID: From: Dimitrios Tsifakis To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: When I was young, I used to send back attached .doc or .xls files with the excuse that I don't use Microsoft products on my computer, which wasn't even a PC. I pissed off many people by telling them that sending Microsoft formatted files is not politically correct and it is also rude to make assumptions about the recipient's computer system. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dtsifakis[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 0b2d339ae1d48966556dfb6ad64e2bce Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452148800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m009.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4fcbf6bc62ae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none When I was young, I used to send back attached .doc or .xls files with the excuse that I don't use Microsoft products on my computer, which wasn't even a PC. I pissed off many people by telling them that sending Microsoft formatted files is not politically correct and it is also rude to make assumptions about the recipient's computer system. Now I just open them with openoffice (or whatever else will open them) and don't even blink an eye. It's funny how time changes things. On the yahoo/blacksheep question, I am subscribed to both as there are emails on both that are worth reading. I don't like yahoo, google and the rest but here I am, using a gmail address and admitting it works fine, after I realised how unreliable my ISP delivering mail. A practical or lazy solution has won over a more ethical one. 73, Dimitris VK1SV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DB0F338000086; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 05:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ShHI8-0001SL-N8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:33:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ShHI7-0001SC-Uf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:33:35 +0100 Received: from mail-ey0-f171.google.com ([209.85.215.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ShHI6-0001Ne-MW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:33:34 +0100 Received: by eaaa12 with SMTP id a12so3937326eaa.16 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:33:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :x-gm-message-state; bh=80y4CqdHr3SQLOu85pPCpdz7GLPlIN/BzZqgDIhpd6A=; b=TgYsRo1qunTj2iOb67eGPOQrmMMbAlHM73pku3BTngstycEtXnyod55DxbS6nBXUJB MHOVw9DvAycjRQj0QoPxMlbeVTwRBKIbJzt37db2OzMdn1XvbK7K6Ygjx17jssIn/rmd BBAxcSmwfx7Bf/k3HInquQQAOIFDGElpqUQ7Hax8hx+KG37h1V1szRYbdizsKOUnufaP U7tdWbxCCrurmKqLVX1lZkSBv3Fea7F6B3i/uNMizBhucFD9BYIuMvHVC09eMQdglIVT eOZQNtvfO+0ciOKPMQFOslM9IDTYrcBHBJaYtay8aWO5ePz6I17J4mtk4eiy1U0ODg9d 0RzQ== Received: by 10.14.22.5 with SMTP id s5mr4732076ees.226.1340184813551; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.22.5 with SMTP id s5mr4732071ees.226.1340184813009; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Win7Pro (host81-132-147-218.range81-132.btcentralplus.com. [81.132.147.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c51sm87877364eei.12.2012.06.20.02.33.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:33:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry GW0EZY To: References: <001301cd4e34$2b7e5d20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1F8C967534E6433CBD24066385E3B577@lindavideo> In-Reply-To: <1F8C967534E6433CBD24066385E3B577@lindavideo> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:33:26 +0100 Message-ID: <002a01cd4ec7$bf995d50$3ecc17f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1ONDK7PlPrmaWyQaq1IpqknhtI1AALjdugABjJ/WA= Content-Language: en-gb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmdVzwRYwDrrPgbz+HEoEg46Afy89j1m/XezUh9w5vNF2JEr3tc+iQAtUBNTGfNozMy/lnc1+pdYZZ3DrQjJ53Bhq6o5g== Subject: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Emailing: hay 032 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01CD4ED0.215DC550" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_COMMENT_8BITS, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML, WEIRD_QUOTING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/81606 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:435598880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 8 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m013.2 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844fe1992822bb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CD4ED0.215DC550 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002C_01CD4ED0.215DC550" ------=_NextPart_001_002C_01CD4ED0.215DC550 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_002_002D_01CD4ED0.215DC550" ------=_NextPart_002_002D_01CD4ED0.215DC550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The new-fangled method for hay-baling uses plastic sheet which comes rolled-up on large plastic tubes 770mm length, 90mm diameter 8mm wall thickness. Piles of them are often found discarded in the corners of fields. They look like handy LF coil formers? 73 Terry GW0EZY From: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [mailto:rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 19 June 2012 22:33 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Subject: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Emailing: hay 032 Hi Mal I can remember when baling straw with a static baler we used wire to tie the bales with not this new fangled string, you need wire cutters when you opened the bales for bedding in the winter. 73s Ken M0KHW _____ From: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [mailto:rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 19 June 2012 16:57 To: rsgb Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Emailing: hay 032 Antenna Hay day support mast for end of 500 Khz 1/4 wave inv L antenna West g3kev __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new topic Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity: . New Members 2 . 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The new-fangled method for hay-baling uses plastic sheet which comes = rolled-up on large plastic tubes 770mm length, 90mm diameter 8mm wall = thickness. Piles of them are often found discarded in the corners of = fields. They look like handy LF coil formers?

 

73 Terry GW0EZY

 

From:= rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk [mailto:rsgb_lf_group@yaho= ogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: 19 June 2012 = 22:33
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk
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Hi= Mal

I = can remember when baling straw with a static baler we used wire to tie = the bales with not this new fangled string, you need wire cutters when = you opened the bales for bedding in the winter.

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From:= = rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk [mailto:rsgb_lf_group@yaho= ogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 19 = June 2012 16:57
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(VPS 120621-1, 21/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, this is a function of propagation, I think. It depends on where the interference originates. Because there is virtually no skywave propagation in the "sunrise dip", no noise is propagated by skywave (> 1000km) from the east. Where you live you have large cities all round you. We get this effect on the edge of Europe as the daylight kills the night-time propgation of noise fron the East (there a few big cities or industrial noise sources for 3000 km W of Ireland :-)) ) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.233 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: Re: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446485152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m019.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94fe3b28f0b3b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, this is a function of propagation, I think. It depends on where the interference originates. Because there is virtually no skywave propagation in the "sunrise dip", no noise is propagated by skywave (> 1000km) from the east. Where you live you have large cities all round you. We get this effect on the edge of Europe as the daylight kills the night-time propgation of noise fron the East (there a few big cities or industrial noise sources for 3000 km W of Ireland :-)) ) It was thought at first that this would be the best time for DX, but despite trying it didnt work out that way. Mike G3XDV and Brian CT1DRP tried quite hard..... but eventually made the qso mid morning, when the noise was up again due to increases in daytime skywave!! That is if I remember correctly.....it fascinated me as I was just getting interested in LF long distance propagation around then. We found evening effects in Nova Scotia and I believe similar effects were reported by John W1TAG and Jay W1VD who are very close to the US East Coast. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: ; "YV7MAE Maritn A. Echazarreta D." Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:22 PM Subject: LF: 15 dB noise drop in 20 minutes > Hello Martin, LF, > > I'm fascinated by the noise drop on LF which occurs during your sunrise. > On your grabber > (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/74746618/LF/YV7MAE_LF_Grabber.html ), i can see > the noise drops 15 dB within 20 minutes. That means the sun must be very > strong so the ionosphere is very quickly ionized. Also the local lightning > density must be extreme. All in all it looks like a very sensitive system. > But some directivity would be interesting :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > PS: I will be on 136.172 kHz again this night, starting in a few > minutes... > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1F75B38000084; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SapSb-0007at-3i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:37:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SapSa-0007ak-CN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:37:44 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SapSY-0005vi-N8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:37:43 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q52EbfX7014907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:37:42 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q52Ebf1M011916 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:37:41 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA24DD.8080509@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:36:13 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <18D068A53AF74F56BF8AFDCCAB65CC62@AGB> <1338488029.92944.YahooMailNeo@web171606.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <97F0E98E40814C45B796CFAF1351D46C@AGB> <4FC7CDF7.1090909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7E2FC.3070002@psk31.plus.com> <3DD43F40887A4C08A4F53031CB126B04@AGB> <4FC7E880.8020604@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FC7F143.7080106@psk31.plus.com> <9327865B4D2146DC9D9667D4740BAA56@AGB> <916F21C1B61C4940BDF1E88FBD13845C@Extensa> <4FC9C37B.10501@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <4FC9C37B.10501@freenet.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Wolf, LF, I'm greatly looking forward to this new SL version! Please tell us when it is finished! This would allow me to run the grabbers much more flexible and use a single PC in the shack on the roof, with reduced CPU load. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Re: LF: "SR cal" in spectrum lab question. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437745216:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4fca257437d1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror Hi Wolf, LF, I'm greatly looking forward to this new SL version! Please tell us when it is finished! This would allow me to run the grabbers much more flexible and use a single PC in the shack on the roof, with reduced CPU load. Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 02.06.2012 09:40, schrieb wolf_dl4yhf: > Hello Peter, > > At the moment multiple running instances of SL don't "talk to each > other" about the sample rate, even if they use the same audio device > for input. > In future versions, it will be possible to have the first instance > running as 'master', providing a resampled(!) audio stream for all > other instances. Those 'slave'-instances don't connect directly to the > soundcard, but to the first running instance. I am not sure about how > to connect the instances yet (via shared memory, or -even better- via > TCP/IP so the slaves could run on physically different PCs if necessary). > > All the best, > Wolf . > > Am 01.06.2012 20:50, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: >> Hello... >> >> I was wondering the following: >> >> I have here 4x Spectrum Lab task running at one PC to serve my >> SUB9KHz grabber page at www.qsl.net/pa1sdb >> I use that Sampling Rate detector in all 4 Spectrum Lab tasks. >> Is that OK, or need I only one Sampling Rate detector that >> callibrates the other 3 tasks to ? >> (one master - 3 clients without that SR cal active) >> >> 73's Peter - PA1SDB >> >> >> >> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C476738000119; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Schbf-00049z-4g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:38:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Schbe-00049q-Gu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:38:50 +0100 Received: from nm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.71]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Schbb-0003fO-I8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:38:49 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.234] by nm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2012 18:38:46 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.118] by tm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2012 18:38:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2012 18:38:46 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 316805.58165.bm@omp1027.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 68004 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2012 18:38:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1339094326; bh=nzu7QLyc+pfHrFDD0PRBMGXf1KU1CfudykLLxXpNPws=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hFeNjmQCbD6xfuqd3MopL92CeYwKA7sfNNzxlp8SOfSdViJvxwNVK0FSXd+PpWxJxbvEhMP3F80lhuDOo3MswvAzlptwEdECndHdpqSk7ojitw50AhUSNFhpQu4A17m7ZQTFS+RosJFeln8Z1nwCECoIwkbTRU801gE/hqBBWsY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K/IugfjQra5TlkH8tEwGrSRvIvBg1wOCE8zXPpW8FKSuWwXDtqqq51LZJXPolX8wz95m8No2puCIwB+TuwcMjUX9iMa6Eg4m0vmYYr+3U7pAVTfdETtQU/uwItwiF5R1+cPuK8SpYGEt5btQ99JmcKskj4nD+LOLxk8iANSOEiE=; X-YMail-OSG: Ba9O8r8VM1n8MZBRwrsRF0dpNoNiuxY290mgj97SkAnvDqX VTfp7uV5A Received: from [86.161.212.205] by web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:38:45 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> Message-ID: <1339094325.66258.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:38:45 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FD0EB97.5010208@kpnmail.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Jan This an apology but your information about Monaco has to be of interest to all LF so I have publisher the PDF on the Yahoo Group file. With credits to you, thanks. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: pa3abk To: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 18:57 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.71 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10 BODY: Message is 5% to 10% HTML obfuscation 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c40596c1cc3306f1877076595a921c57 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1480543034-1339094325=:66258" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466333344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m022.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fd0f5744a94 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1480543034-1339094325=:66258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jan=0A=A0=0AThis an apology but your information about Monaco has to be = of interest to all LF so I have publisher the PDF on the Yahoo Group file. = With credits to you, thanks.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A______= __________________________=0A From: pa3abk =0ATo: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 18:57=0ASubject: Re:= LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz=0A =0AStefan,=0AI have experience as a "former" user= of 500kHz.=0AUnder certain conditions there are "ducts" which enables you = with low power to cover large distances.=0AOne of my favourites was EU to B= razil. Mostly in the last watch Northsea traffic was loud and clear audible= off coast Rio.=0AThis condition could last for hours. You could contact th= e EU coaststation rather easy on their working channels=A0 with 250W shipst= x.=0AHowever high QRN in Brazil is rather problematic but sometimes the con= dx coincided with low QRN.=0AOffshore,=A0 QRN can be considerable less.=0AI= experienced these "tunnels" also between LA & Hawaii and LA & New Zealand.= =0ALeaving Red Sea Indian Ocean to Perth radio was also a nice link. (7000k= m!)=0AAt that time I consider it as "normal" not realising that nowadays th= ese are remarkable events if you put in hamradio perspective.=0A=0ABTW unde= rstand that Monaco seems to be 1st official country on 472kHz as from 18/5-= 2012.=0Ahttp://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticl= e&id=3D993:claude-passet&catid=3D53:spectrum=0A=0AHopefully all EU countrie= s implement=A0 this new QRG at the same time, otherwise you must keep a dat= abase in order to know were to listen for which country.=0ASomewhere from 4= 39-510kHz.=0AEU and making decisions together worries me.=0AJan/pa3abk=0A= =0A=0AOn 7-6-2012 12:45, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:=0A> Hi Joe, LF,=0A> =0A> Y= es, we're here of course :-)=0A> Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF= . My RX is home made and vy narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable R= X in some time.=0A> BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happe= ns to them when the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an ex= tended frequency range then or will you have to QSY?=0A> And what about the= chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? Would it be possible to = have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance?=0A> It would be possible for me t= o radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitat= ion, this may become a problem...=0A> =0A> 73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A> =0A> =0A> A= m 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:=0A>> =0A>> Hopefully someone wil= l read this on Baa Baa....=0A>> =0A>> The beacon is running on a new freque= ncy with a CW ID and=0A>> a 10 second carrier.=A0 Reports most welcomed.=0A= >> =0A>> 73=0A>> Joe VO1NA=0A>> =0A>> This electronic communication is gove= rned by the terms and conditions at=0A>> http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/elec= tronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A-- pa3abk<->= =A0 dordrecht jo21it --435439028-1480543034-1339094325=:66258 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jan
=
 
This an apology but your information about Monaco has to be of in= terest to all LF so I have publisher the PDF on the Yahoo Group file. With credits to you, thanks.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: pa3abk <pa3abk@kpnmail.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 18:57<= br> Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz

Stefan,
I have exp= erience as a "former" user of 500kHz.
Under certain conditions there are= "ducts" which enables you with low power to cover large distances.
One = of my favourites was EU to Brazil. Mostly in the last watch Northsea traffic was loud and clear audible= off coast Rio.
This condition could last for hours. You could contact t= he EU coaststation rather easy on their= working channels  with 250W s= hipstx.
However high QRN<= /span> in Brazil is rather problematic but sometimes the condx coincided with low QRN.
Offshore,  QRN can be considerable less.
I experienced these = "tunnels" also between LA & Hawaii and LA & New Zealand.
Leaving Red Sea Indian Ocean to Per= th radio was also a nice link. (7000km!)
At that time I consider it as "= normal" not realising that nowadays these are remarkable events if you put = in hamradio perspective.
=
BTW understand that Monaco seems to be 1st official country on 472kHz a= s from 18/5-2012.
http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle&= amp;id=3D993:claude-passet&catid=3D53:spectrum

Hopefully all EU count= ries implement  this new QRG at the same time, otherwise you must keep a database in order to know= were to listen for which country.
Somewhere from 439-510kHz.
EU and = making decisions together worries me.
Jan/pa3abk


On 7-6-2012 12:45, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
> Hi Joe, LF,
&g= t;
> Yes, we're here of course :-)
> Unfortunately i still can= not receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time.
> BTW, wh= at about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when the new 475= kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended frequency range then= or will you have to QSY?> And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? = Would it be possible to have a CW Q= SO over that 4400 km distance?
> It would be possible for me t= o radiate 1 kW ERP on that b= and, however with a 1W (EIRP= of course) limitation, this may become a problem...
>
> 73, S= tefan/DK7FC
>
>
> Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:
>> =
>> Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa....
>> >> The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and
>= ;> a 10 second carrier.  Reports most welcomed.
>>
>= ;> 73
>> Joe VO1= NA
>>
>> This electronic communication is governed by th= e terms and conditions at
>> http:/= /www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php <= br>>
>


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--435439028-1480543034-1339094325=:66258-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 20D4B380000C7; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfvae-0007MG-41 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:11:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfvad-0007M7-N5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:11:07 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sfvab-0002fx-W0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:11:06 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GGB5l9013668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:11:05 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GGB506023557 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:11:05 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCAFB3.7090505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:09:23 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> In-Reply-To: <2EA53566F2544F218747891F118768B1@AGB> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thank you Graham, eh i mean G.., Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the range... Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 32d4aaaf019758ff5a0d8e92eec683e6 Subject: LF: MF:477 via Delft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090801000906060003020804" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:409642176:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74fdcb04a5f1e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090801000906060003020804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Graham, eh i mean G.., Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the range... Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham: > Something just noticed , 477 is inside the Delft-web-sdr range .... ! > Monitoring 500K off air and 477 via Delft > can run x2 sdr and monitor 500/477 , but with x 2 noise > .should work ? > G.. > http://websdr.pa3weg.nl/ --------------090801000906060003020804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Graham, eh i mean G..,

Most useful link! I forgot about it. Maybe its worth to ask the OM to extend the range...

Expect to hear my signal there in an hour or so.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 16.06.2012 18:02, schrieb Graham:
Something just  noticed , 477 is  inside the  Delft-web-sdr range .... !
 
Monitoring   500K  off  air  and  477  via  Delft
 
can  run x2 sdr  and  monitor  500/477  , but  with  x 2 noise .should  work  ?
 
G.. 
 
 
--------------090801000906060003020804-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 644EB38000093; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbD0J-0001fR-KM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:46:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbD0I-0001fI-Vz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:46:06 +0100 Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbD0G-0002Fj-Q1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:46:05 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:46:04 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.225] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:46:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:46:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 189868.76704.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 38745 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2012 15:46:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=XpIOIDqkGlrO/yZqe2w5CvcOKhgxTcRCSXeG2vX9BDdTbIm2xvxOhB25dVaLlPWYbkBd3EU+PBuT+jb/HwBwMP4vi+9+GFrxHKtScveuHCBepb+ZaCCZssMAN2y2rKEmgOHzpNkhELhp/69M5EpU8mGaWIM57RJ7jhNKKCRg1gY= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1338738364; bh=uMZ11C1tvN4v5sjx1CkpjIuWinstKtZjiwwNqnfZIHc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=jQ/1ZAd4iCcuOOJq538kLNjfvZodC3CA0rOdiH4USC3dfcNy/Ien7Q+DVDtwqJMPnhD/Fz1wqMhtgzEClUOPZ0cjDLc5UKHY6mHzHh96zyK7w0deL+uvsDxFdFMfci5qAmbFtHB1Kl/UAPkYWx94rZlrdSbN+ZQkgHwdKN7Poxs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: yt4tToUVM1kLY3mJU4D_OsnmBsA8B3sMiGTBNiamcOs6XeX d65SJpR15zeVCvtkHqCuhTYTASCzGyLqvqUorYdIFKDmhK9ZMciFx_rGtbk. 6udh94nJE.dE3nwA6hjod6EhRWufMC7XW67ldzEcS7K2RJmOquETHoHzB.7A JU_Pi3xwqWpczrnCg_1EWd649zgJjMQIT31cUTEUgkpWUXiw5lPrJeZIrqPy j6kYlu36BgnVaeSQUJmnHlaCnCNV2knqJgVfV.uTAM5CtO9w60AQYLL7qszm paRxade3ZjENMMicm_kZvEmEjRvbE5AT.WkhpTMDJQHeOdAwB8YqC4wBmZZC p0Q_wvVRhiNPOAW4pJdTXiqAKNsK7Tt8yyfT9vL5kmkJYRJK37oZN1hANnby V9Gyl1M_zY0viJu4hQD0XBibkR1Q8hsMEaxwePjhNyo0awMVQymQ5qIcXs4. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes Graham, quite right. I would not join just to vote then try to remove my information. I have had this problem in the past and don't want it again - you think you have done everything to delete your details from a group, and they tell you it is so, but strangely you still keep receiving messages, invites and so on. It seems you can never totally erase account details, whatever they might say. This whole situation is most unsatisfactory and very annoying. Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:29 PM Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.203 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 75bd9e83b9a4dd6aff3296cebc5bb885 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,GET_STARTED_NOW autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466365792:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m247.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4fcb86f91dd6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes Graham, quite right. I would not join just to vote then try to remove my information. I have had this problem in the past and don't want it again - you think you have done everything to delete your details from a group, and they tell you it is so, but strangely you still keep receiving messages, invites and so on. It seems you can never totally erase account details, whatever they might say. This whole situation is most unsatisfactory and very annoying. Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:29 PM Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > Slight democratic conflict .. you have to be a member of the yahoo > group to vote , therefore you have a declared interests in yahoo , so > this should exclude your vote from the poll .... > > G. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "pws" > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:24 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement > >> John, >> >> You wrote: >>> ... >>> Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, >>> how do you want to continue? >>> >>> o With the Yahoo! Groups list >>> o With the Blacksheep.org list >>> o Both lists >>> >>> >>> To vote, please visit the following web page: >>> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 >> >> I got what expected: >> """ >> To enjoy this Web-only feature of rsgb_lf_group, you need to enable Web >> Access. >> >> With Web Access, you'll enjoy your group's online photos, polls, links, >> message archive search, and more! >> >> Get Web Access to rsgb_lf_group >> >> If you already receive email from rsgb_lf_group, it's easy to get Web >> Access and make your Yahoo! Group experience complete. >> >> To activate Web Access for rsgb_lf_group, click "Get Started Now". >> >> Not a Member of rsgb_lf_group? >> If you are not currently a member of rsgb_lf_group, join this group now. >> """ >> >> No, thanks! >> I'm voting for the continuity of this reflector. That's all. >> >> Peter, df3lp >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 97C5838000096; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 18:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SgOIB-0007kY-Gu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:49:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SgOIB-0007kP-4v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:49:59 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgOI9-0000By-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:49:58 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5HMntGD003509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:49:55 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5HMnt8Q018789 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:49:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDE5EAC.2090103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:48:12 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: MF, Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again, listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else wants to try. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: ddae800c6581715278ab3184b42d46db Subject: LF: Now again on 477.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:409182560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174fde5f5604d4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none MF, Sri for the "trivial" announcements but these first MF days are vy exciting for me. I will be on 477.5 kHz in a few minutes again, listening and watching on the QRG and also on 501 kHz. If someone else wants to try. Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9DE1F38000102; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SkG8T-0006Ts-Kw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:55:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SkG8T-0006Tj-14 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:55:57 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SkG8R-00035h-5p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:55:55 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5SEtrq6021469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:55:53 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5SEtrfZ000365 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:55:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4FEC7008.9010001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:54:00 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1474092.1340466836144.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1340474829.4474.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340892687.85075.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340892873.80692.YahooMailNeo@web29505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340892873.80692.YahooMailNeo@web29505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Daniele. If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer works well. Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively coupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes directly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an oscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns to get a maximum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly depends on the position of this secondary winding on the coil. The impedance becomes lower when you come closer to the center of the rod. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b4085bc26841e34d79a2f3beb8f287b1 Subject: Re: LF: Coupling a LF resonant ferrite rx antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020201070307090805000807" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:421486784:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fec70c01612 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020201070307090805000807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele. If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer works well. Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively coupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes directly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an oscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns to get a maximum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly depends on the position of this secondary winding on the coil. The impedance becomes lower when you come closer to the center of the rod. The will affect the Q of the resonated system. So you may build an arrangement which allows you to move and fix the secondary coil on the rod. If the signal is strong enough, maybe from a nearby BCD station, you can reduce the "gain" a bit. I have done it similarly with my active ferrite antenna, see https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 28.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Daniele Tincani: > Hello LF, > it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 turns > of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling and > peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning > range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower > frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have > only made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the > internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the > antenna suitable also for direct connection with a 50 ohm input. What > do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or a buffer amplifier > (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it advisable to use > the main coil as the primary winding? > 73 > Daniele IZ5WWB --------------020201070307090805000807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele.

If your RX is successful enough, maybe a simple transformer works well.

Apply a test signal by using a loop, say 20cm diameter, inductively coupling to the ferrite. Then use a secondary winding which goes directly to the coax of the RX. Use a 50 Ohm resistor or an oscilloscope with a 50 Ohm input directly. Adjust the number of turns to get a maximum signal voltage on the scope. The match also strongly depends on the position of this secondary winding on the coil. The impedance becomes lower when you come closer to the center of the rod.

The will affect the Q of the resonated system. So you may build an arrangement which allows you to move and fix the secondary coil on the rod. If the signal is strong enough, maybe from a nearby BCD station, you can reduce the "gain" a bit. I have done it similarly with my active ferrite antenna, see https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_LF_p_active_ferrite_antenna.JPG

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 28.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Daniele Tincani:
Hello LF,
 
it seems I managed to build a pretty good ferrite coil (abot 80 turns of Litz wire over a bundle of seven 20cmx1cm rods). Nulling and peaking seem acceptable for my purposes. With current var cap, tuning range is about 160-650 kHz and could easily be moved to lower frequencies by adding a parallel fixed capacitor. Until now I have only made some quick tests by inductively coupling the coil with the internal ferrite of a portable radio. I would like now to make the antenna suitable also for direct connection with a 50 ohm input. What do you suggest: to add for example a transformer or a buffer amplifier (or both :-))? If a transformer is recommended, is it advisable to use the main coil as the primary winding?
 
73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 
--------------020201070307090805000807-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EABC838000099; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Seuv1-0004yC-Gz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:15:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Seuv1-0004y3-3L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:15:59 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Seuuz-00069i-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:15:57 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5DLFsPs004213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:15:54 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5DLFsCX004709 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:15:54 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD902A7.8000609@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:14:15 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4379ED2AAB4@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> <4DF9EFD1.5010208@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1313780109.51443.YahooMailNeo@web111907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9CD1E11E8BC9402CB4AECECAC4088443@JimPC> <1314394178.5030.YahooMailNeo@web111905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1314641183.5605.YahooMailNeo@web111910.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E5CBC9A.5020900@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1314705226.37125.YahooMailNeo@web111901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E5CF192.3040905@legal-medicine.de> <1317076720.22768.YahooMailNeo@web29509.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1317077173.13177.YahooMailNeo@web29509.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1317119515.35504.YahooMailNeo@web29502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <97A4CD4629F94A90A7F5AFD6E2A17E73@JimPC> <1317287203.84598.YahooMailNeo@web29516.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1339618104.65016.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1339618104.65016.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Daniele, I didn't study all the details that graph is offering but from the recent reports of my beacon signal from YO/4X1RF and RN3AGC i can confirm that there are nights in June that are at least as good as nights in December! At least in that range, < 3000 km. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fb3e28a759dea7e01d34d3fe7de7ae98 Subject: Re: LF: Best annual period for listening to LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040706070908060109000301" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448543712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4fd903436c9b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040706070908060109000301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele, I didn't study all the details that graph is offering but from the recent reports of my beacon signal from YO/4X1RF and RN3AGC i can confirm that there are nights in June that are at least as good as nights in December! At least in that range, < 3000 km. 73, Stefan Am 13.06.2012 22:08, schrieb Daniele Tincani: > Hello LF, > looking at this very interesting graph: > http://df3lp.de/misc/hga22/ > my understanding is that summer nights - though shorter than winter > ones - could be better for reception of LF signals in terms of signal > strenght. Is this conclusion correct? > Thanks > 73 > D. --------------040706070908060109000301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele,

I didn't study all the details that graph is offering but from the recent reports of my beacon signal from YO/4X1RF and RN3AGC i can confirm that there are nights in June that are at least as good as nights in December! At least in that range, < 3000 km.

73, Stefan



Am 13.06.2012 22:08, schrieb Daniele Tincani:
 
Hello LF,
 
looking at this very interesting graph:
 
 
my understanding is that summer nights - though shorter than winter ones - could be better for reception of LF signals in terms of signal strenght. Is this conclusion correct?
 
Thanks
73
D.
 
--------------040706070908060109000301-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9EA3838000088; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgycf-0003jK-V4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:37:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sgycf-0003jB-Hl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:37:33 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sgycd-00045Q-Q5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:37:32 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgkFAMt/4E9Olqs+/2dsb2JhbABFoAQDlUyBCA+CCQEBBQhBDQIGJgEEBQMDBA0DAQEBCiUzBhYIBhMICYd+uUSLL4J+gjtgA4gQhTSXXoJh X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,437,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542334143" Received: from host-78-150-171-62.as13285.net (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.150.171.62]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2012 14:37:30 +0100 Message-ID: <4ED454405DBF49DB9245AA09607234DD@TraceyPC> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <003201cd4e1f$dbced390$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <003201cd4e1f$dbced390$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:37:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello mal That's from Darlowo in Poland, a military airfield I believe and the NDB is activated when required. It's just over 700 miles from me and is always a good signal. 73s Tracey [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: ebba021850e0a5d4120636e52401e975 Subject: LF: Re: SA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05F8_01CD4E29.0C808F70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:458989984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094fe080cc3268 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05F8_01CD4E29.0C808F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello mal That's from Darlowo in Poland, a military airfield I believe and the NDB = is activated when required. It's just over 700 miles from me and is always a good signal. 73s Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: LF: SA SA beacon audible at present on 472.5 approx. good signal g3kev No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2437/5078 - Release Date: = 06/18/12 ------=_NextPart_000_05F8_01CD4E29.0C808F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello mal
 
That's from Darlowo in Poland, a military airfield I believe and = the NDB is=20 activated when required.
It's just over 700 miles from me and is always a good signal.
 
73s Tracey
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 = 2:31=20 PM
Subject: LF: SA

SA beacon audible at present on 472.5 = approx. good=20 signal
g3kev
 

No virus found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.2177 / = Virus=20 Database: 2437/5078 - Release Date: = 06/18/12

------=_NextPart_000_05F8_01CD4E29.0C808F70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CAA483800009F; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScbWx-0001OZ-DU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:09:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScbWx-0001OQ-0s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:09:35 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScbWu-0001TQ-Rq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:09:33 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q57C9VqA002461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:09:31 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q57C9VIY028891 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:09:31 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD0999E.3080206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:07:58 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> In-Reply-To: <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I only heared some rumours about the permission starting January, 1st, 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is given out on the Ham Radio 2012 (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php) , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more realistic. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 87966b345956c8ef3389b993f6a18f4e Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:405682304:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4fd09a351928 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I only heared some rumours about the permission starting January, 1st, 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is given out on the Ham Radio 2012 (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php) , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more realistic. Time to build a suitable loading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH only... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles) > granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ? > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. > > 73 > > Ben From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 62719380000C9; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiocW-0006cA-EF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:21:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiocV-0006c1-L8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:20:59 +0100 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiocS-0002Kt-8O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:20:58 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAD0w509cHYH5/2dsb2JhbABEtXeBCIITBQEBBQgBAQNJAhkTAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKJRQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYd+t3WLM4YCA4gVhTaXZIJfgV8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,467,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="542907420" Received: from host-92-29-129-249.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.129.249]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2012 16:20:38 +0100 Message-ID: <005101cd521c$e7403880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003f01cd5215$5690bf50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FE72612.3070300@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:20:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan I only work LF and MF CW around EU and only use QRSS for DX when necessary. I also get many private emails about activities on LF/MF from those who do not want to be reflector members and there are PLENTY I get more reports and comments privately than via the reflector. There were 3 stations active this morning on MF and NONE are reflector members !!! I have worked them many times on cw This is a busy time of year for me outside also BBQ'S etc but the wx has been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ yesterday evening. The Moscow grabber is useful and I was visible early last nite around 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening up. later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 for me but I went QRT getting too late and I am always in the shack when the TX is on always hoping for a QSO NO Beacon [...] Content analysis details: (0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: ad9c0e3658f56f4dbb01cd425a6a8031 Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD521C.E7070010" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494384768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40864fe730a3458b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD521C.E7070010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan I only work LF and MF CW around EU and only use QRSS for DX when = necessary. I also get many private emails about activities on LF/MF from those who = do not want to be reflector members and there are PLENTY I get more reports and comments privately than via the reflector.=20 There were 3 stations active this morning on MF and NONE are reflector = members !!! I have worked them many times on cw This is a busy time of year for me outside also BBQ'S etc but the wx has = been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ yesterday evening. The Moscow grabber is useful and I was visible early last nite around = 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening up. later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 for me but I went QRT getting = too late and I am always in the shack when the TX is on always hoping for a QSO NO Beacon 73 de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF Am 24.06.2012 16:26, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 At this time of year there is propagation on both LF es MF but few = are listening or transmitting. I've been calling several times today but people prefer BBQ these days = i think... even the majority of DX grabbers are switched off My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for you, sri ;-) Lack of activity is the problem although the winter does have = advantages. Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 - 479. I thought all of = Germany would be calling. I'm not in Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, like = in the last evenings. BTW i got several reports by email from people who aren't member of = the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for home = constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many newcomers on the = band. We have to supply them by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned.. I'm going to play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to become = a full size dipole for 630m :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD521C.E7070010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
I only work LF and MF CW around EU and only = use QRSS=20 for DX when necessary.
I also get many private emails about activities = on LF/MF=20 from those who do not want to be reflector members and there are=20 PLENTY
I get more reports and comments privately than = via the=20 reflector.
There were 3 stations active this morning on MF = and NONE=20 are reflector members !!!  I have worked them many times on = cw
This is a busy time of year for me outside also = BBQ'S etc=20 but the wx has been very wet recently but I did manage a BBQ yesterday=20 evening.
The Moscow grabber is useful and I was visible = early last=20 nite around 2130 utc using QRS 30 and the band was just opening = up.
later would have been good for QRS 3 - 10 for = me but=20 I went QRT getting too late and I am always in the shack when the TX is=20 on
always hoping for a QSO
NO Beacon
 
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 = 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QUIET LF


Am 24.06.2012 16:26, = schrieb mal=20 hamilton:=20
At this time of year there is propagation on = both LF=20 es MF but few are listening or transmitting.
 
I've been = calling=20 several times today but people prefer BBQ these days i = think...

even the majority of DX grabbers are = switched=20 off
My DX grabber is ON but is no DX for = you, sri=20 ;-)

Lack of activity is the problem although the = winter=20 does have advantages.
Surprised at the lack of acty on the new 472 = - 479. I=20 thought all of Germany would be = calling.
I'm not in=20 Heidelberg at the moment, otherwise i would be active, like in the = last=20 evenings.

BTW i got several reports by email from people who = aren't=20 member of the reflector so i think after one or two time constants for = home=20 constructed MF stations, there will hopefully be many newcomers on the = band.=20 We have to supply them by beeing QSO partners so stay tuned..
I'm = going to=20 play with the earth antenna soon and modify it to become a full size = dipole=20 for 630m :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CD521C.E7070010-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 141873800008A; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SiBnN-0008FX-4m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:53:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SiBnM-0008FO-M5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:53:36 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SiBnK-0002lW-Th for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:53:35 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5MLrX7Q030839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:53:34 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5MLrXDM026483 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:53:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4FE4E8F2.4010204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:51:46 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4E6E0AD4.4838.465714@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <1315833746.18312.YahooMailNeo@web29503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1340350943.68546.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4FE4E3E2.8030209@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1340401559.71504.YahooMailNeo@web29501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1340401559.71504.YahooMailNeo@web29501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Daniele, My very congratulations! I hope you will enjoy the hobby from the transmit site too! Is it a "full" licence or are you limited to some band and certain power levels? I would be happy to have a QSO some day with you. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 318d3d373f5ffaa82e0969bd1985b258 Subject: LF: Re: IZ5WWB Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080909060700030707050103" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:365001984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fe4e9916249 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080909060700030707050103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5MLrX7Q030839 Hi Daniele, My very congratulations! I hope you will enjoy the hobby from the=20 transmit site too! Is it a "full" licence or are you limited to some=20 band and certain power levels? I would be happy to have a QSO some day with you. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 22.06.2012 23:45, schrieb Daniele Tincani: > Hello Stefan, I got a callsign in Feb this year, so it is pretty new.=20 > Only little activity on VHF repeaters so far, plus plans for=20 > attempting QRP /p on 20m. Free time is tight and new ideas to=20 > experiment with seem to never stop... :-) > 73 > Daniele IZ5WWB > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > *Da:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *A:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Inviato:* Venerd=EC 22 Giugno 2012 23:30 > *Oggetto:* Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? > > Hi Daniele, > > I think the others have already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ). > But what i want to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio=20 > call? I've never heared from it so far. Or is it new? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 22.06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tincani: >> >> 73 >> Daniele IZ5WWB > > --------------080909060700030707050103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele,

My very congratulations! I hope you will enjoy the hobby from the transmit site too! Is it a "full" licence or are you limited to some band and certain power levels?
I would be happy to have a QSO some day with you.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 22.06.2012 23:45, schrieb Daniele Tincani:
Hello Stefan, I got a callsign in Feb this year, so it is pretty new. Only little activity on VHF repeaters so far, plus plans for attempting QRP /p on 20m. Free time is tight and new ideas to experiment with seem to never stop... :-)
73
Daniele IZ5WWB

Da: Stefan Schäfer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Inviato: Venerdì 22 Giugno 2012 23:30
Oggetto: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?

Hi Daniele,

I think the others have already answered (i'm 21 mails in delay ;-) ).
But what i want to ask: Since what time do you have a amateur radio call? I've never heared from it so far. Or is it new?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 22.06.2012 09:42, schrieb Daniele Tincani:

73
Daniele IZ5WWB
 


--------------080909060700030707050103-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 88A37380000A8; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScfzU-0003IG-F1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:55:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScfzU-0003I7-2j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:55:20 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScfzS-00033Q-Al for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:55:18 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (p548D32A0.dip.t-dialin.net [84.141.50.160]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M6K9X-1RkH7I3fx5-00yKQb; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:55:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD0DCF4.7020406@legal-medicine.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:55:16 +0200 From: pws User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111101 SUSE/3.1.16 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD0B65C.6030204@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:OpVr3xOn1wlSNZBvCN8N8MVdXK4Rr8yyrIKIecLIIS9 LGL1OC+YfZLxC2ufcZiA5RiNhWjFy5bP0fS5G+5ROzeQiNF/DV OsdxEnMN+5P+ARUbBYA3wBxcirV8S0PrdK1uQXMk+IvY3jDoAU wIf8yGWhfqqxt5a64ZQvUOHSyJV54AyW0fjK6SMXnvMM4RFjul DJi2dnIZKSMzUQeuC4RWlqMAbn4zrdLnQUw4qXyVCR4y/oVFl7 cv2pHzo3YuYYirbbdsQ0Y9Yw6Pf9XfVJbvKPUu/UvrvHgT5sST Kc03MrjkpW6sDCKJTER0F8fHaoRBDYuk9Dpi8vnhPraEPWuHBK acSLCKSBt3JVdw+qMK1qNwqM0HzG9lvQhYYki2SCo X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, You wrote: >... > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. > ... Horrible strong here at Kiel, 54N/10E. Up to 30dB above noise... [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.8 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 1f795a2ee1ecd56682b47ad11969b3d3 Subject: Re: LF: CW beacon on 137.0 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:387116832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408d4fd0dd263987 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stefan, You wrote: >... > I'm running a CW beacon at 137.0 kHz for some time. > ... Horrible strong here at Kiel, 54N/10E. Up to 30dB above noise... Rig: INA111 balanced E-field probe, 2x30cm, Homebrewed downconverter to baseband. Screenshot there: http://www.df3lp.de/misc/DK7FC_2012-06-07_16:39s.png Peter, df3lp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B8DB938000081; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SfDQA-0007ZA-4A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:01:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SfDQ9-0007Z1-Nt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:01:21 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfDQ8-0001lr-4w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:01:20 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq0GAPUX2k9cF/A+/2dsb2JhbABFg0GcJwOVUIEIgg8EFAEBA0kCLAIIAgEGAR05AQQaBiQdAQICAQGHfphRoTaRQwOIDoUyl12CYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,411,1336345200"; d="scan'208,217";a="389672821" Received: from host-92-23-240-62.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.240.62]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Jun 2012 18:01:19 +0100 Message-ID: <006201cd4a4f$514d88c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:59:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: LF/MF It would appear that all the action regarding MF acty alerts, valve technology, and other useful info is taking place on BLACKSHEEEP and all the trivial persuits appear on Yahoo de mal/g3kev LF/MF [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_UA FSL_UA 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: LF: Action LF.MF ES TECH Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01CD4A4F.2012D7B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:428005056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40554fda194e3f8b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CD4A4F.2012D7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF/MF It would appear that all the action regarding MF acty alerts, valve = technology, and other useful info is taking place on BLACKSHEEEP and all the trivial persuits appear on Yahoo de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CD4A4F.2012D7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF/MF
It would appear that all the action regarding MF = acty alerts, valve technology, and other useful info is taking = place on=20 BLACKSHEEEP
and all the trivial persuits appear on = Yahoo
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CD4A4F.2012D7B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 919C53800009B; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbg1m-000844-NO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:45:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbg1m-00083v-5C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:45:34 +0100 Received: from relay2.ptmail.sapo.pt ([212.55.154.22] helo=sapo.pt) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbg1j-00007i-UP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:45:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 3498 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2012 22:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sapo.pt) (10.134.37.165) by relay2 with SMTP; 4 Jun 2012 22:45:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 27380 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2012 22:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO QuadCore) (hpessoa@sapo.pt@[85.240.177.177]) (envelope-sender ) by mta15 (qmail-ptmail-1.0.0) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 4 Jun 2012 22:45:29 -0000 Message-ID: <5C4D56A53B0C4C0EA0398366592D0A69@QuadCore> From: "Henrique Pessoa" To: References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:45:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content preview: Wise words spoken here 73, Henrique /CT1HX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.55.154.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (hpessoa[at]sapo.pt) -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: b77892ad90d0261eaf071f4f6cf31464 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:493782816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60554fcd3ae45b84 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Wise words spoken here 73, Henrique /CT1HX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep > Hi Clive, LF, > > For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo > account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the > pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that > there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in > this process. > > My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. > As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has > to win and the other will be shut down after some time. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: >> If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting >> period ends. >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA6F4380000B1; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 07:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbs9s-0003yG-66 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:42:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbs9r-0003y7-NR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:42:43 +0100 Received: from mail-ee0-f43.google.com ([74.125.83.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbs9p-0001rd-9o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:42:42 +0100 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50so2882234eek.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:42:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=9YSTZpM9YuZMxQpkRFAP9QzfWduXMI6/AtEBLU0NvMM=; b=cFs2Fk4BI6rNInQGEZp3kla0Ns7KZ8vMP2y8TCSs5l+IOgrNz/5mzpSA3gRe7+uTOY iifo3kzb7unhSmyvlhqDVkygv4oiCn0UufaJobGkZ3UfxQsWpqWAvd08KgvcACAx+9uh e+a2BguTA/Vmv0ih9ALtoshJ1YxDZhTGLtvwd8hiX54k/dVatkL0fobD+gLh1AuyUwM5 DmMfgKn2+8J+seDGm/qQe0AutDKD+qPx3v6Xc2WqZwJ3DuuLXjL8bGP9C7ZB2+7/2zRM pe0V3Vilnm8qmYvv+e8+pHI/dk/Z/g5HSfb6rBwNNyEXgeeKf0ZvyHqrcqjcQpmjpt+5 85ZQ== Received: by 10.14.94.194 with SMTP id n42mr6991202eef.24.1338896560476; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stbryant-mac2.lan (dyn45-155.adsl.bogons.net. [85.158.45.155]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g51sm5088784eea.14.2012.06.05.04.42.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FCDF0AD.3080005@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:42:37 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: mal hamilton References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net><4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de><4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net><77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk><517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk><4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><016101cd427d$7f76f4e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002d01cd42fd$900c80b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCDD3D6.9000308@g3ysx.org.uk> <005201cd4308$96ffd380$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <005201cd4308$96ffd380$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlHw5b7xYMmjGe0ksgRVrPMvALlCi1jP5a5L5xWbCq/Q20RouKgz2JttIMgnWNn9OB1aL2H X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Mal I am not sure what you are doing but talktalk works just fine for me as a yahoo email address: Here it is in the archive: [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.83.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: ad8e5dd63f7497fd9d71d15044db2e2b Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461168576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m242.1 ; domain : No domain found DKIM : none x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410a4fcdf0e623e3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Mal I am not sure what you are doing but talktalk works just fine for me as a yahoo email address: Here it is in the archive: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/message/240 And here is what I got on the talktalk a/c -----Original Message----- From: g3ysx@talktalk.net To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 12:34 Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep I set up my talktalk a/c, added it to my yahoo email set, verified it, changed rsgb_lf_group to use it, and am now sending a msg using it, let's see what happens? Stewart with a t/G3YSX ======== I think that verifies that there are no problems using a talktalk email address on rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk 73 Stewart with a t/G3YSX On 05/06/2012 11:47, mal hamilton wrote: > Steward > I have already done that and still no good. I do not want to change my > normal talktalk email address and I am afraid this could happen and cause > even more confusion > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stewart Bryant" > To: > Cc: "mal hamilton" > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep > > >> On 05/06/2012 10:28, mal hamilton wrote: >>> John >>> My yahoo id is ei2aemal@yahoo.com >>> This ID works when I sign in - no problem but I still cannot get >>> anything from the list on the left of page. >>> de mal/g3kev >> >> >> Mal >> >> Login to yahoo and go to here >> >> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join >> >> >> Look for (Add new email address) and click - you may need to log in again. >> >> Add your talktalk email address >> >> Go back to >> >> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/join >> >> the talktalk address should now be listed >> >> Select the radio button next to it >> >> Select the other options you want in steps 2 and 3 below >> >> Select save changes >> >> Now the yahoo group email will go to your talktalk a/c. >> >> 73 >> >> Stewart/G3YSX >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 25BAC380000A2; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 05:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbpff-0002RA-Ae for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:03:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sbpfe-0002R1-MA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:03:22 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Sbpfc-0001JY-0Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:03:21 +0100 Received: by obfk16 with SMTP id k16so20448379obf.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 02:03:17 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=googlemail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LmTsCRf7Mb0LRr7eHx2pgVF/21tU7Y08R3fKBWcfrkM=; b=p9HXlULMCg/KodI1vclQfH37mvbMv0LgsJDy3fCggLjjnlFfwhzZGqtzrFASijfwnW Yt/NZ9jyT36YAr77N5Fke8xpTO36JS+b+1UNDMhSRH83zve3K3WtdlXBLbHJBOIcFSU3 fF9dNX+fntD9Dr1t2B9nw6pAVLj9WGS2KB2AOMlzf5BDvOOeIv+3rQnPGyzZKh2p4Ket IjLkmIGe3Q/91Cw5Jl8b+47Dy5dodmH3khTaG+FF3xCkO2s3xD4jo0NzYSACbekVTlWc ffYCUKckFl/xZmqT9uYyhnFSJWEMjHnFvgL45/hfnfkOifbLa8NFxM2RWShd8e6jv7aH Y2og== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.25.164 with SMTP id d4mr14968766oeg.26.1338886997568; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 02:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.68 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 02:03:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCCD2B9.1030408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4FCB96A9.4010009@usa.net> <4FCB9F34.7040604@legal-medicine.de> <4FCBCC8B.9050308@usa.net> <77A08BCA-E9AB-404B-B425-BFD3564F66FE@thelortons.co.uk> <517B3527-8D27-4E07-853D-653F9AF3E025@thelortons.co.uk> <4FCCCB31.4080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FCCD2B9.1030408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:03:17 +0100 Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported before. Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes both ways. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (johngould88[at]googlemail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 7a302ec14fb4a62f16f049454b6dc54d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c1d6e26dd604c1b5eb46 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:506389376:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m410.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4fcdcba66683 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --e89a8ff1c1d6e26dd604c1b5eb46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported before. Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes both ways. I don't really want to administer two groups, especially this one as it's cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to effectively take away a facility that a few people use really effectively. I have to admit that I can't understand what the fuss is about and moreso the poor behaviour by a few; it's just doesn't match with the ethos of amateur radio. I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used for QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the more technical discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the additional facilities. Short-term information of this sort isn't wanted by everyone and doesn't need to be searched after the event, so having two lists for the different functions has some logic. Stefan, I'll try and do the right thing - hopefully, some clarity will come when the emotion runs its course. 73 John, G3WKL On 4 June 2012 16:22, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > ** > Hello John, > > Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to > be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the > yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the > "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again... > > Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so > fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF > group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex fo= r > a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So their > opinion will be ignored! > > Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only me > who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group, although = we > are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party (in a fair pol= l) > would be only 20%, would you shut them down? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould: > > Stefan, > > I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo > account. I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that > worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your > Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by on= e > of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. > > I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on > the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer < > Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote: > >> Hi Clive, LF, >> >> For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo >> account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the >> pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that >> there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate i= n >> this process. >> >> My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. >> As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one ha= s >> to win and the other will be shut down after some time. >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton: >> >>> If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting >>> period ends. >>> >>> >> >> > --e89a8ff1c1d6e26dd604c1b5eb46 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Stefan,

Sorry that you weren't able t= o vote - very odd - not had that reported before.

= Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't v= ote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes b= oth ways. =A0

I don't really want to administer two groups, espec= ially this one as it's cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to e= ffectively take away a facility that a few people use really effectively. = =A0I have to admit that I can't understand what the fuss is about and m= oreso the poor behaviour by a few; it's just doesn't match with the= ethos of amateur radio.

I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list c= ould be used for QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the m= ore technical discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the additio= nal facilities. =A0Short-term information of this sort isn't wanted by = everyone and doesn't need to be searched after the event, so having two= lists for the different functions has some logic.

Stefan, =A0I'll try and do the right thing - hopefu= lly, some clarity will come when the emotion runs its course. =A0

73 John, G3WKL
On 4 June 2012= 16:22, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heid= elberg.de> wrote:
=20 =20
Hello John,

Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again...

Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored!

Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group, although we are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party (in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you shut them down?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould:
Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account. =A0I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. =A0

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted. =A0

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
Hi Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends.
=A0



--e89a8ff1c1d6e26dd604c1b5eb46-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 213CB380000AA; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 11:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfuic-0006zM-IQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:15:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Sfuib-0006zD-W9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:15:17 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SfuiZ-0002S7-Ei for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:15:16 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GFFEnP025283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:15:14 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q5GFFEwB021822 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:15:14 +0200 Message-ID: <4FDCA29C.3010809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:32 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Alex and Gary, Thank you for the service. Most apprechiated! 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: b08ad821341ca291e1fd930f7b9292d3 Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabbers and RN3AUS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000202080302090304020308" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450550368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608c4fdca33d5a8d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000202080302090304020308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Alex and Gary, Thank you for the service. Most apprechiated! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.06.2012 16:23, schrieb Alex K: > Hello LF! > My grabber in KO85HA is on-line (at this night): http://rn3aus-lf-grabber.narod.ru > 73 de rn3aus/Alex Am 16.06.2012 14:01, schrieb Gary G4WGT: > Hi All, > > Just to let you know.....It's all systems go for the "G4WGT Grabbers" > at :- > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT --------------000202080302090304020308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Alex and Gary,

Thank you for the service. Most apprechiated!

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 16.06.2012 16:23, schrieb Alex K: 
Hello LF!
My grabber in KO85HA is on-line (at this night): http://rn3aus-lf-grabber.narod.ru
73 de rn3aus/Alex

Am 16.06.2012 14:01, schrieb Gary G4WGT:
Hi All,
 
Just to let you know.....It's all systems go for the "G4WGT Grabbers" at :-
 
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html
 
73,
 
Gary - G4WGT
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Antenna Hay day. S/EAST MAST
 
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan bin Deiner Meinung, weiter so. 73' Herbert/DG3MDE Gesendet: Sonntag, 03. Juni 2012 um 13:17 Uhr Von: "Stefan Schäfer" An: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.72.192.247 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dg3mde[at]web.de) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.7 MPART_ALT_DIFF BODY: HTML and text parts are different 1.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts 0.0 MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI Multipart message only has text/html MIME parts X-Scan-Signature: 29f208b223fe7a2cb359508e38e2ea2d Subject: Aw: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=sgnirkm-952833ec-2571-4cf8-8758-95c9fcb16523 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_ONLY,MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440862496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fcb4de94e09 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --sgnirkm-952833ec-2571-4cf8-8758-95c9fcb16523 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
  Stefan bin Deiner Meinung, weiter so.

 73' Herbert/DG3MDE

Gesendet: Sonntag, 03. Juni 2012 um 13:17 Uhr
Von: "Stefan Schäfer" <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status
Dear John, LF,

Please take the time, some minutes, and read the following.

I agree with Peter stated below and also unsubsribed from the yahoo group 2 days ago.

There are some arguments that i want to add. Of course these arguments are not acepted to be serious from the pro-change-party. Probably they will not even take the time to read and try to understand a different way of thinking.

In this change progress i missed fundamental democratic steps! We have been growing as ONE GROUP here, so it is a PITY that a small fraction has now splitted the group and talks now in a very bad way about the "old blacksheep" reflector. We should have moved as ONE GROUP as well! 155 members in one week at yahoo is much. But how many have been subsribed to blacksheep? Sure, most of the TOP20 posters and many experts have moved. But there has been a party ("An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE") that suggested the change. Some have agreed and some have disagreed. But the majority didn't state anything. Someone could have been in holidays (or still is) and never got the chance for codetermination! BTW no one has had the chance for codermination. There was no vote, maybe in form of a doodle voting. What we saw is that the pro change party accomplished you to start the new group and make an announcement about it here in the group. And then you added a very important subordinate clause:


I propose to keep this blacksheep.org list going short-term until we see how people adapt to the new online list.
This formulation is here in Germany very well know from the politicans, who often describe a situation and there proposed solution as "alternativlos" (without an alternative). I think THIS is why so many moved to yahoo, they simply think they have no chance to participate what will be done (like in politics!!).

So, John,  what is if we have been 300 members here at blacksheep, or 1000? Some have very valuable comments from time to time but they stay in the background for most of the time. If you actually shut down this reflector and we loose say 10 % of members (i think it will be more), is that a good decision? I think we should have some respect of what was achieved here on this adress! We are THE LF reflector and not an ordinary yahoo group, one of 10000s...

Let me show you an analogy to this reflector. The SAQ transmitter. There are several people who enjoy each transmission, every year, since many years.
The SAQ transmitter is world cultural heritage and many have respect about that old stuff and what was achieved in the past!
Imagine someone would come and say "PLEASE CAN WE HAVE A NEW SAQ TRANSMITTER" He states the following arguments:
The current SAQ transmitter:
-is old
-is heavy
-is loud
-is low efficient
-is unstable in frequency
-cannot be operated by anyone in any mode
-needs a long time to be ready to push the PTT
-has problems to easily find replacement parts
-has had a failure some months back

A new SAQ transmitter has the following advantages:
-silent
-high efficient class E PA
-flexible operation
-several new protection circuits making high availability

etc. etc...
Real arguments, right? So why not throwing the old one on the junk yard and arrange a new one? No, never! Because the transmitter is a part of the history that has been so fascinating. If a small group of the SAQ club actually reach to do that step, many of the members would go for ever! This is what's going on here now!

A SHAME!

There are some features stated by the pro change party why it is worth to move to yahoo, like the permanent storage of files on the yahoo server. But take a look at the development of HDD size of a standard PC and the data transfer rate of internet connections in the last 10 years. So how can the storage of simple emails and some images be a real problem in these days? If it is a problem in these days, it must have been impossible 10 years ago.

Furthermore, i see the email exchange here as a more private thing, more like a closed group. Just a subjective feeling. On yahoo, it is official in the web, visible for everyone. That's not the same, that's not fine! Maybe no problem for those who jump arround in 10s of other yahoo groups but i prefer personal contacts.

I'm sure there are many who will not comment on the current situation. You see, the comments are coming from less than 30 people. But be sure the group will loose some members!
If you think that is worth to do what's going on here, then do what you think to have to do.

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 03.06.2012 10:37, schrieb pws:
To John, G3WKL,

Please do NOT shut down this reflector.

1. It's active in positive sense.

2. There are too many hams here who say
"no thanks!" to that advertisement driven
Brave New World were each posting will be
"googleable" for ever. Me too.

That's the reason I unsubscribed from
some Yapoo-Groups recently.

73 Peter, df3lp


  

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could be   503.275  ?   +/-   a=20 bit  !
 
G.

Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at = all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 = 1:21=20 PM
Subject: LF: beacon on = 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 = 11:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: Re : LF:=20 DK7FC_in_JN88KS

Tnx to all for the ongoing reports.

To avoid=20 misunderstandings, the CW beacon is generated in Heidelberg from my = normal=20 antenna. Here in the fieldday camp ther is no place for an aerial (! = :-) )=20 that can radiate such a signal. To many trees and no good earth is = available.=20 I'm just steering the TX via a wireless internet link to the grabber = PC...=20
Unfortunately the data rate is much lower now so i cannot stop the = beacon,=20 or don't want to risk problems when contacting the grabber PC. So i'm = not in=20 the situation to have a QSO unfortunately. I'll stop the beacon in the = evening...
No uploads any more to the temporary grabber page from=20 here.

Anyway, congrats to the others who managed CW contacts = today!=20 Sounds like an active weekend. And i'm looking forward to the new = stations who=20 will appear soon on the band.

73, = Stefan/DK7FC
 

Am=20 09.06.2012 11:49, schrieb f4dtl@aol.com:=20
Strong and audible beacon here Stefan, = attached my=20 screen capture.
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas


-----E-mail d'origine-----
De : Lubos OK2BVG <bvgbob@hotmail.com>
A:=20 _RSGB_LF <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org>
Envoy=C3=A9=20 le : Sa, 9 Jun 2012 11:39
Sujet : LF: DK7FC_in_JN88KS

Hello Stefan, LF!=20
I am listening your CW signal on 137.000kHz. It is very good, = S/N more=20 than 25 dB. It sounds here on a loudspeaker like a local station = :-)
RST =3D 599 UFB

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS